Trump is Winning so Big Even The Left Can't Deny It: Featuring Jason Calacanis of the All In Podcast

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Podcast: Louder with Crowder
Title: Trump is Winning so Big Even The Left Can't Deny It: Featuring Jason Calacanis of the All In Podcast
Date: October 14, 2025
Guests: Jason Calacanis (All In Podcast)

Steven Crowder and his panel discuss contemporary political dynamics, focus on Donald Trump’s surging popularity, analyze the state of the left, and critique the legacy of Barack Obama—particularly his post-presidency influence. The episode also features an engaging debate with tech entrepreneur and podcaster Jason Calacanis, mostly centered around immigration policy, deportations, and the political consequences for both parties going forward.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Young White Male” and Social Narratives

(Timestamp: 00:00–01:50)

• Crowder begins with tongue-in-cheek remarks about societal perceptions of young white males, suggesting media villainization and warning about the consequences of demonizing a demographic traditionally associated with gun ownership.
• Quote: "If you keep telling them that they're criminals and they should pay for people's bad decisions, you don't want to see them angry." — Crowder (00:08)

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2. Comedy, Commercial Skits, and Tone Setting

(01:50–07:55)

• The panel riffs on parody commercials, poke fun at masculinity, body image, and the absurdity of modern advertising.
• Crowder uses humor to set a relaxed, irreverent tone and transitions into heavier topics by mocking Buzzfeed and “micro-feminism.”

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3. Cultural Critiques: Obesity, Health Choices, and Social Double Standards

(07:55–16:04)

• Crowder criticizes the normalization of unhealthy lifestyles via social media, discussing viral videos of overindulgence and “cup o’ cheese” memes.
• Argues it's harmful to tell the next generation that “all choices are valid” regarding health, paralleling this logic to gender and body debates.
• Discusses how empathy for unhealthy choices has shifted into public subsidy and normalization.

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4. Dissecting “Micro-Feminism” and Buzzfeed’s Influence

(16:04–26:11)

• Crowder and the crew break down a Buzzfeed article promoting “micro-feminist” ways to “own men,” such as refusing to move on sidewalks or exaggerating men’s emotions.
• Panel argues that this passive-aggressive approach alienates both men and women and contributes to dating and social malaise.
• Quote: "It’s how to make yourself completely unpalatable and undesirable to men… Then the article becomes ‘why you don’t need men,’ and another five years later, ‘why men are wrong for rejecting you.’" — Crowder (25:21)

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5. Reverse Super Chat and Perplexity AI Segment

(26:11–27:51)

• Instead of the usual fund-raising “super chat,” the show gives out 50 free Rumble Premium memberships, sponsored by Perplexity AI.
• Quick banter about strange trivia found via AI, e.g., “if you hold in gas, it can come out of your mouth” (27:27).

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6. Barack Obama’s Post-Presidency Critique

(27:51–53:11)

a. Obama as a Divisive Figure

(29:08–34:47)

• Crowder frames Obama’s post-presidency as actively destructive, alleging Obama uses coded language to divide along racial and political lines.
• Critiques Obama’s definitions of “real American” as a deliberate distortion of conservative positions.

b. Weaponizing Institutions & Democracy

(35:06–43:28)

• Obama accused of weaponizing government agencies (IRS, DOJ, FBI) and then feigning outrage at “kangaroo courts” under Trump.
• Crowder claims Obama set in motion policies (e.g., sanctuary city proliferation, politicizing border enforcement) that led directly to crime, unrest, and growing racial tension in America.
• Objection to Obama’s condemnation of border militarization since Obama himself deployed active duty soldiers to the border.

c. “Wealth Gap” and Standard of Living

(43:28–45:46)

• Dismisses concern over wealth inequality per se, noting that poverty and standard of living matter more than the gap.

d. Immigration, Climate Change, and Migration

(45:46–47:38)

• Mocks Obama’s assertion that climate change policy will fix the immigration crisis.
• Suggests strong border enforcement and practical policy are needed before theoretical, long-term climate policies.

e. Race-Baiting in Media

(47:38–51:08)

• Plays a clip from Obama-produced Netflix content where trust “should not be doled out to white people.”

• Accuses Obama of fueling division, citing his commentary after the Trayvon Martin case as an unnecessary accelerant to racial tension.

• Quote: “After the first black president was elected, race relations became worse than ever… [Obama] united Americans to fear, mistrust, to revile their neighbor.” — Crowder (51:47)

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7. Immigration Debate: Crowder vs. Jason Calacanis

(53:11–end)

a. Setting the Stage

(53:11–58:31)

• Jason jokes about fat-shaming, plugs weight-loss drugs, shares about his New York roots and rise in tech.
• Crowder introduces the core disagreement: Calacanis believes in more moderate border enforcement—less mass-deportation, more employer accountability; Crowder advocates strict enforcement and deportation.

b. Points of Agreement

(64:46–65:22)

• Both agree the border should be secured, all criminals should be deported, and economic opportunity should be prioritized for citizens.

c. Major Disagreements

• Legal/Moral Imperatives:

  • Crowder: Crossing the border illegally is itself a crime deserving deportation, not just violent felonies.
  • Calacanis: Focus on criminals and economic incentives (fines for illegal labor), not mass roundups.

• Political Optics & Strategy:

  • Calacanis:
    • Trump could lose moderates/midterms due to optics of heavy-handed deportations.
    • Proposes employer fines, reducing federal spending, and cooling “chaos” to keep moderates.
    • “Losing the midterms is going to be disastrous for Trump... people don’t like chaos.” (70:01)
  • Crowder:
    • Deportation is overwhelmingly popular (cites Harvard/Harris polling).
    • Trump won on immigration/economy and must fulfill promises regardless of short-term optics.
    • The moral imperative is to deter further illegal crossings, not create “perverse incentives.”

• Economics:

  • Calacanis: Argues deportations are expensive ($60-100k per, cites UPenn) and inefficient; fines on employers turn enforcement into a “profit center.”
  • Crowder: Counters with lower DHS cost figures ($17–$20k), says cost is dwarfed by illegal immigration’s $150B+ annual drag.

• Human Costs & Deterrence:

  • Crowder introduces testimony from ex-ICE Director Tom Homan describing firsthand the violence, death, and exploitation driven by illegal border crossings.
  • Quote: "If they wore my shoes for the last 40 years... you’d understand my anger when you open up a border... more women will get raped, more aliens will die..." — Tom Homan (80:59)

• Risk of Goalposts Moving:

  • Crowder contends the left keeps shifting from “just deport violent felons” to “just give amnesty,” etc., never seeking real solutions.

• Summary of Positions:

  • Crowder: Strict law enforcement, mass deportation as deterrent, opposition to normalization of illegal entry.
  • Calacanis: Secure the border, deport criminals, incentivize legal process, avoid optics of “chaos,” use employer fines, keep moderates in coalition.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Obama’s legacy:
  “Barack Obama... really paved the way for the modern Democratic Party. When people say ‘the left left me’ — what they mean is Barack Obama brought a lot of this into play.” — Crowder (32:05)

• On micro-feminism:
  “They’re putting in real effort on a daily basis to piss off men... then wonder where all the good men have gone.” — Crowder (17:15)

• On normalization of unhealthy behavior:
  “We’re dying younger and sicker. How does that happen? We have more access to information than ever and we’re dumber.” — Crowder (08:21)

• Calacanis:
  “I’m a truly independent moderate. I voted Democrat, probably 60% and Republican 40%... But I would like to do is take this from two approaches...” (58:31)

• On the real impacts of illegal immigration:
  “Even if we are as charitable as possible, that is what allows and abets more slaves on Earth than ever... 13,000 children recovered under Biden alone.” — Crowder (79:44)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–01:50: Introduction, discussion on young white males and social blame.
• 07:55–13:00: Obesity, normalization, government encouragement of unhealthy choices.
• 14:37–16:04: “Cup o’ cheese” as a social meme; critique of self-acceptance culture.
• 16:04–25:53: “Micro-feminism” in Buzzfeed; social dynamics and dating critiques.
• 27:51–53:11: Deep-dive critique of Obama’s post-presidency, racial rhetoric, and government weaponization.
• 53:11–58:31: Introduction of Jason Calacanis, initial banter, framing the immigration debate.
• 64:46–65:22: Agreement: Secure border, deport violent criminals.
• 67:43: Crowder cites majority-popular support for mass deportation in polling.
• 79:44–80:59: Crowder’s closing argument: moral imperative for deterrence, Tom Homan’s testimony.
• 80:59–: Tom Homan’s harrowing recount of human trafficking and violence at the border.

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Final Thoughts

Crowder’s Position:
Trump’s popularity is a direct response to failed leftist policy—especially those championed by Obama. The show critiques shifting leftist values, the cultural normalization of unhealthy or destructive behaviors, and the weaponization of government. Immigration enforcement should be strict, deterrent-based, and focused on upholding the law and protecting citizens.

Calacanis’ Position:
Acknowledges need for border security and criminal deportation but advocates for moderation, economic solutions (employer fines), and a focus on winning the political center through less chaotic optics. Suggests right-leaning movements risk alienating moderates (critical for future electoral victories) through overzealous enforcement and public “chaos.”

Notable Dynamic:
The debate is civil but pointed, with both sides presenting data and polling while occasionally accusing each other of cherry-picking or goalpost moving.

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For Listeners Seeking Key Takeaways

• Trump’s immigration stance is discussed as both an electoral asset and risk.
• Obama’s post-presidency receives extended, unfiltered criticism for deepening division and institutional weaponization.
• The episode lampoons modern social trends (feminism, body positivity) as distracting and self-destructive.
• The Calacanis debate offers both a pragmatic and philosophical clash over what border enforcement should look like—and which side has the public on its side.

This episode is emblematic of Crowder’s brash, combative style, featuring a rare, in-depth policy debate with a left-of-center interlocutor.

Transcript

[A]

We're talking about statistical realities. There's no cameras over there. The young white male, when the young white male is the real threat to America as it stands.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

You're right. I agree. I agree. You're right about that. Because young white males are going to be the majority with guns. And if you keep telling them that they're criminals and they should pay for people's bad decisions, you don't want to see them angry. Welcome to the lineup live here on Rumble 7 7pm Sorry, 9am to 7pm you don't need to change that dial. And yeah, black and white and the gray issues. The second part, I don't want to say it's Home Alone 2 and that it's in the pantheon of much greater sequels than the original, but it's up there. It gets a lot more heated. If you felt like the first installment was a little bit frustrating, there might be some catharsis in Part two, but I don't know. Tune in on Thursday. Today we actually have Jason Calacanis. I hope I'm pronouncing that right from the all in podcast. Disagrees on immigration. Posted on X about it. Disagrees on the deportations. Going to have a discussion and of course match intensity. And be respectful, please, in the comment section. Be respectful. I always have to hand it to people who show up. He's unlike Dave Smith and Candace Owens. We're also going to talk about Barack Obama. This is a long time coming. Barack Obama. What a piece of the segment because his post presidency is the worst thing ever. And let me ask you, do you think that Barack Obama was the turning point in this country as far as the left becoming radicalized, dangerous hating this country? Is there kind of a pre and post Obama? I'm seeing a lot of that from young Gen Z men because they didn't live through it. To them, it's history. And they look back and go, this guy kind of sucked. Why is there mic feedback? Oh, no, wait. A bomb's being dropped on with the show. My favorite commercial ever. What's this? Can you fix my dryer? This one refuses to dry my clothes.

[C]

That was great.

[A]

It's a commercial, right?

[D]

That's great.

[C]

It's a good commercial. What do you think about this one? Check out this air fryer. It is better than using oil.

[A]

And you got a selling point in it too. You got the pitch. It's healthier.

[C]

It's good for a commercial like seed oil or Crisco.

[A]

Okay, how about when you are filthy, get clean, use this Body wash, Irish spray.

[C]

That was great.

[E]

Did you hear the drum?

[A]

Hey, guys. What are y' all doing? Y' all being kinda loud over here. Oh, it's.

[C]

We're working on that Creed commercial you asked for.

[A]

No, no, no, no. Clear commercial. I never. I never asked for a Creed commercial. Are you sure? I'm very sure it's clear.

[E]

Because I'm.

[C]

I'm pretty sure I heard Creed like I'm cop. That's what you heard, right, Stephen?

[A]

At one point in time, I definitively heard Creed.

[E]

Very clear.

[A]

Yeah, no, no, no. There was never any Creed. It was always clear. Okay. Clear commercial.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yes. I wouldn't do that. No, there's definitely not going to be any. It's clear. I'll be able to hear you. I'm right there. Oh, I know you can. And I hope you're going to enjoy what you hear, which is us doing.

[C]

It won't be as fun.

[A]

But a clear commercial. Commercial about.

[C]

It'll be very plain.

[A]

See, when you had me right until you go, you need to work on your people skills because we couldn't communicate this any more clearly that it's a clear commercial. See, it's that last part every single time. I'm still listening. Spray me now. I'm six weeks in the allergy season. Give me one spray.

[C]

I need some clear.

[A]

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[C]

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[A]

Delicious. And that is actually one of our favorite. You guys let us know what your favorite commercial or intro is. We're going to run some of them here. That one's pretty good. As we get to the end of the year, that's the first time we ran it. But, Josh, that all stems from. Hey, dueling's got steps. Yeah, let's make it happen.

[C]

We've been waiting for this for months. Oh, my God. Like two months we did this.

[A]

It's my lady's favorite. She's always asked, when are you going to run it? I'm like, oh, because we don't have that. But yeah, clear. It's a. It's one of the. It's a sponsor that I reached out to because we mentioned it during COVID I highly recommend it go to clear.com. use LWC20 to get a discount. You brush your teeth, clean your nose before I get to anything else or introduce anyone. In breaking news, Katy Perry is now tearing a page from President Trump's book and grabbing him by the pussy.

[C]

Oh, she's got herself a pussy to hold on to.

[A]

It's Trudeau. Just had to get that off my chest. You feel better? Much like he sang on the yacht. What? Oh, come on. She's part German.

[C]

They're both cringe.

[A]

How are you, Captain Morgan? I'm well.

[D]

How are you?

[A]

I'm okay. You're okay? Well, I got a debate today that I didn't really know what was going on, and you know me, I don't like confrontation. You don't? You know that I don't. I'm just kidding. You know that. I really don't. I feel you're an unwilling participant, and we just keep throwing you into the arena. Yeah. People like, go do it, code. I'm like, I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. All right, die, you piece of shit. What? It just comes out.

[B]

It happened.

[A]

It's like fight or flight. And anyway, he's going to be in the same mode because he's a performer. That's what he does. Saturday, October 18th, at the Big Laugh Comedy Club in Fort Worth, Texas, Mr. Josh Fierstein.

[C]

Hey, that's right. Fort Worth this weekend. Firestein and Friends is the show. Got some of my friends that I've made here in the Dallas area. And also Bill Richmond.

[A]

That's right. Which worries me because I'm like, hey, shouldn't he be lawyering?

[C]

No, it'll be fun. We'll do some interactive stuff, some improv stuff at the end so you guys can get involved. And Bill will be working his mind. It'll be. It'll be good for him.

[A]

Yeah, he's a sharp.

[C]

Is he going to give away some of your private information?

[A]

Yeah. That's a lot of fun. Good. Yeah, I'm glad. I went through the whole process of staying unlisted. Hey, before we get to anything else, this is the important. This is the news. You. Everything that's fit to. I don't know. I'm trying to think of how to get us into this. All right, let me preface this by first saying you've never once seen us just make fun of someone for being fat. Just to be clear, I know that they're. You watching, listening right now. You might be a fatty. It's okay. Jesus loves you. I love you. I may not want to touch you.

[C]

But hey, man, touch me.

[A]

Touch me now.

[C]

I'm eating Taco Bell with some cheese.

[A]

I hate both of you. It's gonna be all day. It really is. And it's. By all day, we mean after the. When you're a fatty, get clean, lift your fat, fold up, Irish pray.

[C]

Well, I announce her that Gerald's gay.

[A]

But we still love you. Cause it's okay.

[C]

His penis is in me.

[A]

Wa.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[A]

I was gonna go. No, no, no, no, no. I was gonna go. His butt's wide open.

[C]

That's better.

[A]

Climb up that butt. What is this place? All right. It's Gerald's butt. His butt's wide open.

[C]

It's not wide open.

[A]

Gerald's just like, could you be any gayer? All right. Nobody ever calls me. Okay, guys, guys, I know we're all. We're all delaying c. March. I'm hoping he's gonna be nice. Jason Calacan. I think he will. Yeah, he's a decent guy. Yeah, he seems like a decent guy, but I've never made fun of. We never made fun of him just for being fed. The problem is when you tell everybody like, hey, this is a valid choice for a lifestyle. Hey, all body types are beautiful. Hey, all body types are healthy. And you put the next generation of Americans in a shallow well. They can't be that shallow. A medium depth grave at minimum. And the reason for that is we now have more access to healthy food than ever. Nutritional advice than ever, Training advice than ever. And we're dying younger and sicker. How does that happen? Just like, you have more information at your fingertips than ever. By the way, I forgot to bring in my phone. You can use your phone later because we have to actually check something. We have more access to information than ever. And we're dumber. How does that happen? We're making bad choices. Speaking of bad choices, long way around chugging cheese would be amongst them. Everything in extra thick girly eats for lunch.

[C]

Orange juice.

[E]

I got Taco Bell.

[A]

I am so excited because I got.

[E]

The cup of cheese.

[A]

Pause. Oh. Have any of you ever in your life used the verbiage cup o cheese?

[C]

Not in the measurement. You know, little pretzel bites at the movie theater, maybe you get. Can I get a cup of cheese?

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

It's 125.

[A]

Yeah. Allow me to rephrase my question. Yeah. If any of you unironically use the term cup o cheese cheese, which would require a straw. Not yet. Okay.

[C]

I thought that was orange juice. To be clear.

[E]

I was like, oh, good. She's gonna.

[C]

That's a little too much orange juice, probably.

[A]

But the fridge, like, hey, what's here? Oh, yeah. Sunny D. Great. Let's continue doltang. It's like a shake.

[E]

So excited to have this grilled cheese.

[A]

Burrito in my mouth. She's beautiful.

[C]

Obviously.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, good dunk.

[A]

Look how good that looks.

[E]

Oh, my God.

[C]

It does look bomb, to be honest.

[A]

Yeah, it does. Looks like a penis.

[B]

Josh.

[A]

Stop it, guys. There are kids watching.

[E]

Amazing.

[A]

I needed this. You needed it.

[C]

I don't think anyone needs it.

[D]

Hold on.

[A]

Pause. Can you imagine a paramedic? Beep, beep. Oh, my Jesus. Does anyone have a Cheesy Crunch gordita? For the love of God, give me.

[E]

A 32 ounce nacho cheese. It's life or death.

[A]

She says two Gorditos.

[B]

It's not working.

[A]

Get the Doritos Locos trans fat. Continue. Need a sweet treat.

[E]

Plus you gotta get your fruits in.

[A]

Yeah, sure. I got a Baja Blast zero. Oh, well, good. She's gonna take a good Coke. I also got a Crunch wrap.

[E]

She went healthy on the soda.

[A]

She seems really happy until you also see that one time they got her order wrong. So here's the thing, as you can see, by the way, guys, she could use that cheese on that broccoli. It would be great. No, no. Well, especially if you have a cup. Oh, it. Yeah.

[C]

Talking like a broccoli cheese soup.

[A]

Yeah, Just call it Panera. No doubt. She eats the bowl. Now, here's the thing. And it's ceramic. Just a table. Like a curvy. It's table eating. Good. Now, look, you can treat yourself, just to be clear. Like you can find videos, especially of the golden era of body. Mike Mentzer and Arnold Schwarzenegger and athletes and strongmen eating things like that. The Hodge twins have done that. So that tells you that there is no portion of the equation where she's putting in the work. You can either exercise, right, or diet and maintain. In some ways, you can make some progress if you're really strict about it, or if you do both, you can actually make gains, progressive gains. And you can treat yourself to be that size and be eating that. That is because she is not exercising. It is calories in versus calories out. That is a choice. It is not healthy. It is not a legitimate choice. And it puts a burden on health care costs across this country for everyone. How much you want to bet? She's likely the political persuasion where she believes in Medicare for All or socialized health care. That's the issue. Yeah, that's the. Or soda on snap. That's the issue. Sorry, Josh.

[C]

No, it's okay. I was just gonna say to Your point? It's easy, it's hard to do. I should say it's hard to do. To diet, to exercise, to keep a regimen, keep it going, work hard, it's hard to do. So you know, I get. But you could just eat it like a normal human being. In the dark, in the bathroom, alone, with no one can see you.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Without the cup, without a mirror so.

[E]

You don't have to see yourself being.

[A]

The cup o cheese. Is that a real thing?

[C]

You can eat it in shame, like I do.

[A]

Well, we went from like, don't make fun of fat kids. Correct. Of course you shouldn't. And I teach my kids the same thing because kids will do that. I've had my daughter go like, oh, he's really fat. I go, stop. That's not the kid's fault, that's the parents fault.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And I've said don't do it.

[B]

It's mean.

[C]

In their informative years, it's one time.

[A]

She saw a lady, she goes, she, she has, she has a lot of shiny things in her face and red hair. I go, that's because she hates her dad. You don't want to talk about this though because you're going to hurt her feelings. There was an old Greek guy who looks like Tele Savelle swimming by at the beach. She goes, his hair is really shiny. And the guy swimming, he kind of like laughs. But kids will say that. So we've gone from don't tease fat people. Correct. We're a Christian nation where we should have empathy. 2 hey, let's subsidize horrible decisions. Take that, apply whatever gender queer, gender bending, trans thing. And we have to act like all decisions are, are. They have the same amount of legitimacy. They don't. If you have to normalize it generation after generation and biology doesn't normalize it alongside you. It probably shouldn't be normalized. It probably shouldn't. And I get it. I know the comments, sure, I'm no world beater, I'm not saying that. But I'm not eating a meal for three with a cup o cheese.

[C]

And I get it. I am eating a meal for three with a cup of cheese. But I'm doing it in the dark.

[A]

In the bathroom by myself like you said. Although one time you and I said like I really overate you. Like I think you and I owe differently out there. I said, yeah, well I ate a whole bag of whole Costco sized bag of chips, two double cheeseburgers, a third of a pint of ice cream and Then ate a bunch of those sea salt caramel chocolates along with those s'. More. Cl. He's like, yeah, I guess we do have a different definition of overeating.

[C]

Yeah, I thought you meant, like, oh, I had some chicken nuggets with my cheeseburger. No, dude, you think you're a fatty? You have no idea.

[A]

When I go in, I go in hoard. Now that's urban.

[C]

I can't even eat my raisins without chocolate.

[A]

Yeah, well, I don't like eating them since the California raisins because I feel like I'm eating little people and I just have a guilty. You are? Yeah. I don't want to. I don't want to ruin in your stomach.

[C]

Instead of a raisin, you could just eat the grape with warhead candy covered all over.

[A]

That's what she was eating.

[C]

She's like, gotta get your fruit. It's a grape. It's already sweet. Just eat the grape.

[A]

Yeah, there's. There are grapes called cotton candy grapes.

[C]

The Greeks.

[A]

I'll be damned. They taste like cotton candy.

[C]

They do taste like cotton candy. And I don't like it. Now let's make my grapes grape again.

[A]

Wow. Wouldn't you have to change them? The layers? Change the acronym. Just maga. All right. Speaking of fat bitches. Buzzfeed. So buzzfeed had a recent article here. And comment below if you want to do a whole show about this in the future, because this whole article is really, really bad.

[C]

There's like, 25 different statements and points.

[A]

Here's the good news. The fact that buzzfeed is pushing this idea of micro feminism to own men. In other words, passive aggressive, you know, feminism, it means they have to cover it up. Because right now, feminism is deeply unpopular. It has been rejected. So this idea of don't cat call, don't hold open doors, don't be a chauvinist, don't infantilize, all these things. Right? Patriarchy, it's not working anymore because dating dynamics have been destroyed. So now buzzfeed is saying you have to do it a little more subtly. You know, kind of like racists when they had to transition. So they wrote this article. This is how you can use micro feminism to own men. It's time for this Week in Feminism. This Week in Feminism. All right. And by the way, you can check the reference. Go read the original article. It is. It is terrifying. It's all just objects.

[C]

It's all just a bunch of stuff that, like, try to piss off men.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And things that men won't care about like they. Yeah, they're putting in real effort on a daily basis to piss off men and managers. Like what you're not doing that.

[A]

It's like they don't see that the net result will just be that men don't take an interest in you. Right. And then once their biological window is closed and then their late 30s ago, where have all the good men gone? Well, you treated them like a game where you're micro. Sorry, micro feministing them, whatever it is that you call it. By the way, best way to stay in touch. Follow me on Rumble Download that app. It's been downloaded actually more than the YouTube app in recent weeks. And follow me there. You get notifications when we are live and that's 11am weekdays, but sometimes we do special streams. Okay, here's some of the best ones from micro feminism to own men. This comes from Francis Joyce says I translate sentences on duolingo into the feminine form when I'm practicing languages with gender. So the judge is intelligent becomes the feminine judge is feminine intelligent, for example. So I thought this was supposed to be subtle microfeminism. Not so much. The feminine judge is feminine intelligent. That doesn't even make any grammatical sense.

[C]

No specific.

[A]

Yeah, and I don't know how you think this is going to stick it to the man where he's going to be like, what, she's feminine intelligent? I have to rethink my whole worldview. So that's what she's got easier in Duolingo. She tries to spur. You know what? We have to deal with AI now. Let me try this with duolingo and ask duolingo to try and translate about the the feminine judge is.

[E]

The judge is a cunt.

[A]

Whoa, hey, whoa. It's all about what you input. Guilty, you, Honor. Language. The next one they say, gotta train AI to account for women. Well, I guess you did. So that's an actual quote from someone. Skyhero503 this is a real article from Buzzfeed. At one point in time they had a press pass to keep in mind like they were seen as real journalists not moving out of the way on the sidewalk when a man is about to walk into me and clearly sees me. And he could move as well, he really should be the one moving over. So a couple things before I get to this. So basically you're acting like a high school bully in the hallway, bumping them with your shoulder, not moving out of the way because the man should move out of the way. Well, if you're both equal, then you follow the rules of the road, which is whoever. If you're both equal, there's no right of way. The person carrying the heaviest load is the one who technically has the right of way at that point in time. So really, it would be incumbent upon you to move. And if you're not actually using feminism as a shield, holding men to a double standard, you wouldn't dream of treating a man this way, because if you were a man and you bumped a man on the sidewalk, you know that it would come to blows. But she's welcome to try. See, feminism, they don't realize who they hurt. I didn't even.

[C]

I don't even remember that.

[A]

No, that's cool. Exactly. I didn't feel it.

[C]

I was. I was texting.

[A]

You had your mind on closet cup of cheese?

[C]

Yeah, I was doing a Taco Bell mobile order. How much extra does this cheese cost?

[A]

You have the up in the Air Life executive platinum card. Think outside the cheese free cup o cheese. He walks in, they go. He's coppo cheese at Diablo.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

You take all the cheese. Brave Chinchilla277 writes on Buzzfeed building other women. Women spelled W o M x n, so you know it's going to be bad. Yep. Building other whimmicks and up around me at every chance. I put wemixon in because, yes, tram. Wemixonin are. Wemixonin response. No, they're not.

[C]

It looks like you're spelling woman.

[A]

Yeah, you are a woman. No, it looks like if Sean. It's like a transcript of Shawn Michaels was spelling women, but in the middle of it, decided to do Generation X sign.

[E]

Like, oh.

[A]

Huh. I got an essay to finish.

[C]

Looks like the faction of the X Men that never launched.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's. It's the B tier X Men. Like, a guy can stretch, but he. He can't do anything with it. He can just stretch, like, an extra foot. You're like, well, it's not really a problem. Yeah. I remember Rebecca Romaine made me feel like a room man now. Furry Ship 428. Oh, Furry Ship. I wonder. Wonder what kind of sub society of moral decay this person takes. Pardon? Huh? Furry ship. Whenever a man is upset, angry, or having whatever feeling, I'll say something like, you're being really emotional right now. Or I can see you're having a lot of emotions and big feelings. Look, let me just address this here. And this is something, too. Feminism. And by the way, LGBTQ AI, which is feminism's Frankenstein monster. It doesn't exist without feminism. It turns people into caricatures. That's why it's an unrealistic beauty standard. If a woman, or if a Barbie doll looks like a Barbie doll, right, they demand that be changed. But if a man in drag, however, acts and portrays himself as a caricature of a woman, it's beautiful and brave, then the caricature of a man is, well, yeah, you know men, because they just say we're over emotional and not. But they have feelings, right? They want to act like they don't. No man wants to act like he doesn't have feelings for Cronulla. You can read stories about Teddy Roosevelt. You can read stories about Abraham Lincoln. You can read stories about Alexander the Great crying, weeping in their brother's arms. The difference is men are typically not all, not all, not all, not all, not all. Men are typically governed by logic and reason. And more importantly, men have evolved to really be more adept at risk assessment. Quick risk assessment. Why? Because when you're hunting or when you're in the field of battle or you're in a high pressure scenario, which men have evolved to adapt to, you need to be able to make a quick risk assessment and go, okay, what decision here makes the most sense? What decision could lead to the most damage, most pain? Where's the risk? Where's the reward? And that's typically what governs us. We still have emotions and no one tells them that they shouldn't have. You shouldn't be governed by emotions. And does anyone want to argue that women, by and large, not all, not all, not all, not all act out of emotion with more regularity than men, by the way, that also will be an adaptive mechanism because you need to be more emotionally in tune to mother and nurture children. We've taken the good, the good, complimentary aspects of men and women, and then we've subverted it for evil. And they do this by turning someone into a character. Well, men say they don't have emotions, but they get mad. Of course we get mad. We don't say we don't have any emotions. That's not something that we claim. And of course men get mad. That's often how they process grief. Women act emotionally more often than men. And when you combine them and we're okay with our gender roles, hey, you have one part of the pie that tends to be more emotionally in tune and one part that tends to be more rational.

[C]

And that's beautiful.

[A]

That's a beautiful thing.

[C]

It's beautiful to have somebody right there next to you. Going, hey, here's the emotional aspect of this. Oh, crap, I didn't think of that. Or, hey, maybe ignore that. This is the more logical approach. It's like, oh, okay, this is a nice yin and yang.

[A]

It's necessary when they say to you if you're, you know, your girlfriend or wife, when they go, well, hold on a second. Let's just talk. It's not that they're not hearing your emotions, is that they're going, do you really want to spend this emotional energy on something that Veronica said about someone else when you weren't in the room? And do we need to allow that to destroy our night and our peace in this household? Often when a man gets really angry, it's because of a threat. It's because of some kind of an action, like maybe he got screwed at work or something that could pose a threat to the household. That's the primary difference. But when she says, I'll tell them things like, you're being really emotional right now, or I can see you're having a lot of emotions and big feelings. Willing to bet that you don't do that with black guys. You're having some big emotions right now.

[B]

Aren't you?

[A]

Really expressing how you feel? Does your heart hurt? It just not all, but a lot. Wow. And before we go on to Barack Obama. What a piece of crap. What are you. Come on. It's one of those days. It is. It's just one of those days. No, we're not going from creed to limp.

[C]

Well, that whole article is just how to be a bitch.

[A]

Yeah. It's how to make yourself completely unpalatable and undesirable to men. And then the article becomes why you don't need men. And then the article, another five years later, becomes why men are wrong for rejecting you. They're just afraid of a strong woman.

[C]

And there's tons more in there. Stuff like when a man is. When I'm talking and a man tries to interrupt me, I just talk louder and keep getting louder and louder until. Until I'm done. So I'm like, oh, yeah, that's. That's what we want. Just screaming, oh, by the way, that car's gonna hit you.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And this. Trying to tell you, I'm so glad I bumped that guy in the sidewalk. You're just a bad person. And by the way, comment, if you want to do a whole show on this, because there are so many tips that are. They're like, anti tips. You do it, you're gonna have a miserable life. And we can go through all of this. But you know how some shows do super chats where you can send in money?

[C]

I love that.

[A]

Yeah, it's. But we don't do it because you can either join Rumble Premium Mug Club or you can go to the mer. That's it. We're funded by you, not a foreign caliphate. But we do something similar, except the opposite. It's time for Reverse Super Chat. Yeah. So today that's brought to you by the folks at Perplexity AI. They're giving back. And so they are giving away 50. 50 free Rumble Premium subscriptions. They were just gifted in the chat thanks to Perplexity AI. And by the way, you can download their new. Their new web browser, it's Comet, and get a free month of Rumble Premium as well. So go to pplx.com sorry pplx AI crowder. And it's included, I believe, in Rumble Premium. Perplexity. They're doing some really cool features in Rumble Premium. Some really cool features with AI. You know, if the inputs matter, you can trust their inputs a little bit more than, for example, Gemini or ChatGPT, who pretty much like. ChatGPT is just. It's just like, oh, this is our huge technological leap. Is someone giving you something that was written on Reddit six years ago? Okay, I guess it's gonna take over a third of the economy. So they just gave it out. Comment and let us know. Send a screenshot. Tag me on X or Instagram if you just got a free Rumble Premium subscription. This has been Reverse Super Chat.

[D]

All right. Yeah.

[C]

That Perplexity AI is pretty cool.

[A]

It is pretty cool.

[C]

I learned some things. I learned that, Gerald, you might like this. I learned that if you hold in gas for a prolonged amount of time, it could come out of your mouth.

[A]

What?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, 100 true.

[C]

Don't believe me? Gerald, check it out at Perplexity AI.

[A]

That explains so much. Yeah. Because when I'm doing this show, sometimes, you know, because I can't go to the bathroom towards the end, I'm like, that's why your breath is poop.

[C]

Yeah. Because you're holding it in.

[A]

Full of crap over there. I don't think that's real. Like David Hasselhoff and click. So we all know that Barack Obama was a horrible president, Right? We all know. Brock. Can we all agree Barack Obama was a terrible president? I thought you said present, which. Yes, of course. No, he was.

[C]

Mom got me Obama.

[A]

So I guess you guys just sit on a mission today where I can't get any Introduction for as much as people like, you know, those guys have to do it. They all like. The truth is you disrespect me far more often than you revere me, which is fine.

[C]

I want that you like that you think it's funny.

[A]

Just to rile you up, I literally wrote a position for Gerald to be CEO just so I could still give authority crap on a daily basis. Even though my name is Era. I'm like, gerald, can I do this? He'd be like, you know you can. Like, no, tell me. No, no, you piece of shit. Pointed the sign. I don't like being in any position of authority. It's not who. Who I am. So we all know that Barack Obama was a horrible president, right? But what if I were to tell you that now in his post presidency, he's giving Jimmy Carter a run for his money and that it may be the worst ever, he's gotten even worse.

[B]

If we can actually treat everybody with decency and respect and compromise and make democracy work, it shines a light for the entire world.

[C]

Right?

[B]

And the other path of tribe and a zero sum game and everything's dog eat dog in a competition. And you try to take advantage of the other person because they're gonna try to take advantage of you. That is the path that leads to things like World War II and the Holocaust, India slavery, targeting Americans with IRS, pot, and Rwanda. What you're seeing right now is a reassertion of this idea of like, no, if you don't look a certain way, you don't think a certain way, you don't practice a certain faith, we might elect you president. You know, you're not a real American. And I started to see this during my. That's what birtherism was about. That's what. When Sarah Palin was talking about real Americans versus Right, I guess the unreal Americans, it was that.

[A]

Now, hold on a second.

[B]

Boiling over.

[A]

I want to clarify before we get on with this, this is why we have seen more civil unrest and a racial divide like we have never seen in our lifetime because of what he just did. Everybody knows that when Sarah Palin or Donald Trump or you, when you say real American, you mean somebody who loves this country, who loves what makes this country unique and wants to preserve it. He does that little switch where he goes. Now, if they don't look like you, Sarah Palin, we all know she was saying that, you know, blacks aren't American. No, that's not what she was saying. She was talking about people who actually value this country and don't want us to be like other countries. More specifically, we can even just go with white people. Europe. I don't want to be like Europe. I don't want to be like the rape capital of the modern world, to be clear. And he also. What was it? Play that last portion again really quickly. Yeah, hold on. There we go.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, that's what. When Sarah Palin was talking.

[A]

Oh, right, that's right. Sorry. He said the birtherism thing. Let me tell you why. And birtherism. Did it end up being silly? Yeah, but here's the reason why. The reason why was because this was a man who was so distinctly anti American, who talked about colonialism, who talked about black liberation theology, and I believe, Derrick Bell. And he sat under his tutelage and he talked about being raised in Kenya. And he seemed to revile everything that makes America America. Even when he was elected, his wife said it was the first time she was ever proud of the United States. That means that all of the years she was alive, up until then, she was ashamed of the United States of America. People thought, this guy can't be running. This guy doesn't even seem American. So that was spurred on. Was he born in the United States? I believe so. Is he American? Well, he's doing his damnedest to make it seem like he's not. And that brings us to this edition, the post presidency edition of Barack Obama. What a piece of. As always, all the references links are in the description. This doesn't exist in a vacuum. This was a guy who led the country for eight years very, very poorly. And now you start to see, right, the mask comes off who he really is and what he really believes. A lot of people thought he was very smart and he was moderate. No, he was not. Just because he was personable does not mean he was smart or moderate. He was a radical, the first one we've had in our lifetime who really paved the way for the modern Democratic Party. When people say, I didn't leave the left, the left left me. Say that five times fast. What they mean to say is Barack Obama brought a lot of this into play. So let's get through. This is on Marc Marin's WTF podcast. Not the first time he's done it always goes to friendly audiences. Of course, you know, the left, their ideas can't stand up to scrutiny. So it makes sense. Here he is showing his saltiness, I guess you could say, about President Trump overturning his corrupt, weaponizing our institution's legacy.

[B]

What was unusual for Me was obviously a lot of what I represented. Yeah, a lot of what Michelle and I had tried to project racism. The values are thinking about America. My successor seemed to represent the opposite.

[A]

The one you spied on.

[B]

Not seemed, did.

[A]

Yeah, the one you spied on.

[B]

And so I think there was a lot of anger, a lot of sadness, some fear among a big chunk of the country.

[A]

Yeah, there was a lot of sadness because people didn't see their wages increase. Unlike Donald Trump. We'll get to that. There was a lot of fear because we were seeing crime levels and crime waves across the city. And it's not across the country, largely in blue cities. And it's not just that we saw crime waves. Cuz people will try and tweak the statistics, massage them. It's that we saw people commit crimes. You guys remember, right? Black Lives Matter started before Donald Trump. That's why he was elected. He was the law and order president. People try and say it's his fault, it's his rhetoric. No, it was Barack Obama's results that yielded Donald Trump as a response. When people saw that kind of crime, they saw those riots and they were told to stand out. It wasn't just that there was a difference. It wasn't that there was an increase in crime. There was a difference in crime. And that for the first time, Americans, at least in this generation, knew that they were made to feel completely helpless and they were vilified if they didn't have more empathy for the criminals than for their family. So Barack Obama did forever, irreparably change the fabric of this country by handing over a lot of the power to criminals. What a piece of.

[C]

He's talking about people being sad and angry. Maybe they were sad and angry because they had a primary and the Democratic Party didn't primary the way they're supposed to. And put Hillary Clinton out there.

[A]

Yeah, that could be said. Same one who took all the W's off the keyboard when her husband left office and George W. Bush came in. But you know, they're civil, they followed.

[E]

The court, they read the buzzfeed article.

[A]

Yeah, right. Yeah. And here's Barack Obama trying to subvert our constitutional republic by implying that President Trump is eroding democracy. Ooh, those are loaded words. By sending the military against what he calls ordinary street crime.

[B]

You don't use our military on domestic soil.

[A]

Wrong.

[B]

Unless there is an extraordinary emergency of some sort that when you see an administration suggest that. That ordinary street crime is an insurrection.

[A]

Or.

[B]

Or a terrorist act or a terrorist.

[A]

Act.

[B]

That is a Genuine effort to weaken how we have understood democracy.

[A]

Okay, so first off, I don't know if he's referring to the record murders in cities like Chicago. I don't know if he's talking about the crime wave sweeping these blue cities in the country because the police have been defunded or basically kneecapped. I don't know. But if he's referring to Antifa. So you know what is normal? Normal street crime? Is it normal street crime to attack, to attempt to firebomb ICE facilities? Let me be really clear. If he's talking about Antifa, which is an extension of Black Lives Matter. Antifa is a terror group. How do I know? They have chapters, they have recruitment policies, they have a mission statement, they have membership, they have a reason for. They have a cause. And by the way, they get massive NGO funding. We've talked about that in Data Republican, we have traced that. And these people are actively stopping the mandate of the masses. Donald Trump was elected in order to secure the border and has overwhelming support in deporting illegal aliens. Some small radical terrorists have taken it upon themselves to stop, to halt the will of the people. And he's also wrong where he says, hey, our military shouldn't be on. And you've actually done this.

[C]

Their military, our military is not to be used on American soil. Well, that's what the National Guard is for, right? It's literally their job. Yeah, it's like they're sending Army Rangers or Navy seals into these cities. Yeah, they're sending the National Guard to protect a federal building. That's literally their job. It's in their mission statement. Like, not exactly, but. Yeah, and he's not, he's not one to talk. I mean, I was in a unit in Fort Bliss, Texas that was used in an operation called Operation Nimbus, where Americans, these are not National Guards. These are active duty.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Army soldiers, infantrymen and CAB Scouts were sent on Operation Nimbus to go patrol the, the southern border with Border Patrol.

[A]

Right? Yeah.

[C]

Maybe it was a 20. Maybe they maybe limited us to 20 rounds. Yeah, but I think it was, it was, I think it was a 30 round one magazine we were allowed to have and they sent us out to patrol the border. And I'm not saying that's wrong.

[A]

And you try to say wrong what.

[C]

They did, but, but to come back, you know, eight years later, tenure, whatever it is, and go, how dare you? How dare he use the military and how dare he deport this many people.

[A]

Bitch. I know. Yeah. And by the way, if it was Me. And they said, one magazine, I'd have like a Tommy gun drum. He said one, just a belt.

[C]

It's 100 rounds, but it's one mag.

[A]

What do you want from me? And what he really means, what's the alternative? The alternative is now they should be allowed to continue with their crimes, to stop the deportation, to be taken over whole city blocks and let the local authorities deal with it. Where we have a city legislature that's controlled by Democrats who want to defund them. There is no alternative. We've reached this point because of you. Barack Obama, what a piece of shit. Here's the next one. That's a good one.

[C]

Did you record that yourself?

[A]

I don't know if you know this. The Democrats, namely former President Obama, now they have a lot of. You know what their big problem is? It's a surprise to you. Mask.

[B]

Oh, we don't want masked, you know, folks with rifles and machine guns, well, paintball guns patrolling our streets.

[A]

And here's the thing, it doesn't work. It doesn't work anymore because look, there was a period of time where the left, they were setting things up. They were orchestrating and we didn't really know. We thought, yeah, okay, love is love. We thought, yeah, okay, more people getting healthcare. That sounds good. Now we are living through what they have all orchestrated. And we have seen them lock people down. We have seen them, by the way, tell folks to wear masks. We have seen them encourage the summer of love where people also, again, rioted with masks. It falls on deaf ears. The biggest enemy or the biggest hurdle the left needs to overcome is America's lion eyes and ears. And that's really tough. You shouldn't be out there with masks on. Really. When did most Americans for the first time ever see masks as a popular endeavor, a trend? When did one time in our lifetime. That's right, Covid. It was encouraged and it continued. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Also, do you mean masked people, by the way, when you're talking about we don't want people with masks going out there enforcing the law. Do you mean like Tim Walls using the national guard in 2020 with paintball guns enforcing curfew during the George Floyd riots? Of course, only on the law abiding Americans. The rest were given space to destroy. Get inside. Get in your house now. Let's go.

[C]

Light him up. Light him up.

[A]

Get in the house. What is this? Fallujah? Now see that? No, no, no, no. That's okay. Because it's being used against American citizens. Think about that. They were fine locking you down. They were fine with not even law enforcement officials with masks burning down cities. $2 billion in the first couple of months. No one has actually followed up on that, by the way. I've seen estimates as high as $10 billion in damages, but we don't know.

[C]

They weren't firing at people that were blocking a roadway. They weren't firing people that were impeding with law enforcement operations. They weren't firing at people that were trying to break into an ICE facility and break their lines. They were literally firing people for being on their front porch right where they pay property taxes.

[A]

Or as Barack Obama refers to it, you know, just basic run of the mill crime, really. Okay, What a piece of. And here's one that's really rich. The man who is probably most responsible for weaponizing not only our justice system, but all of our three letter agencies, including the irs, against American citizens because of political persuasion. He really laments now that we have an unfair justice system under President Trump.

[B]

Yeah, we don't want, you know, kangaroo courts and trumped up charges. That's what happens in other places that we used to scold for doing that. We want like our court system and our Justice Department and our prosecutors to be and our FBI to be just playing things straight and looking at the facts and not meddling in, in politics the way we've seen later lately.

[A]

Ah, it's like the lawlessness, the weaponizing of the judicial system is kind of like their creed. Wait, did you say creed? Creed.

[B]

No, no, no, no.

[A]

Please, just come spray me. If I don't clean my nose, I may sneeze. Oh, you did, you did say that word. You asked for it again. Talks about weaponizing. Does it mean like the Russia hoax directed by Barack Obama and his crew? Does he mean like Fast and Furious? You can go back to photo negative of Ned Flanders, right? Eric Holder. Does he mean like the lawfare against Donald Trump? Does he mean like in January 6th where he had over 200 FBI agents in the crowd, no due process? I don't know. Doesn't seem like he applies the same standard. Barack Obama. What a piece of. Now here's the next main talking point in trying to divide the United States of America and let our guests know. We might just start at 50. I know, he's, he's waiting. We might just start at 11:50. I'll let Jason know. He wants to drive a wedge again even though he's not president anymore. That's what he does. He's very good. He's very good at driving wedges. No idea if he still understands the concept of the wheel. He could be like one of his geezers. He says that the wealth gap. The wealth gap, not him, not the Democratic Party. The wealth gap is what is driving division in America.

[B]

The idea that some people now have 3,400 billion dollars on their way to a trillion dollars and you've got ordinary people still trying to figure out how to eat, eat and pay the rent, that is driving a lot of this. Right. And part of what I think we have to spend more time thinking about is some old fashioned values that aren't based just on money and how much you've got.

[A]

It's a tired old attack. And let me be really clear. The problem in our country isn't the wealth gap by itself. It's poverty and it's quality of life. In other words, if you have a wide wealth gap, but you have very few people in poverty, that's better than having a narrow wealth gap. But everyone lives in poverty. See Venezuela, see Cuba, they don't really have the same kind of wealth gap. So the real problem is poverty and standard of living. And we have the answers on that. Where that actually tends to flourish. Annual incomes Under Barack Obama, eight years, they went up an average of $1,043. Annual incomes on average under Donald Trump went up $4,000. First term went up $4,000. And then an extension of Barack Obama, former Vice President Biden went down $4,200. Also, while we're talking about the wealth gap, if we want to go with the premise, under BIDEN, Barack Obama 2.0, right. We saw the greatest wealth transfer in modern American history. Billionaires increased their wealth by $1.8 trillion, about 58% while 700,000 small businesses closed forevermore. And the wealth gap, by the way, also increased under Barack Obama himself. The percent of our population that lived under poverty increased by 1.6% or 7 million people. Also, he takes $400,000 per speech from Wall street while he talks about the wealth gap and not caring about how much you make what a piece of. And then here he makes some nonsensical claim that dealing with migration because Donald Trump bad deportation is bad. And by proxy you back because you voted for it and you still support it, makes the claim that actually the way to solve it is something, something climate change.

[B]

Don't get all weed up, some bad stuff will happen. But you know what? That half a centigrade difference, that could be the, that could make a difference in a Billion people's lives, right?

[A]

Totally.

[B]

You know what? That half percent difference, that could be entire coastal villages.

[A]

Let's assume he's correct. He's not.

[B]

What happens in Bangladesh where hundreds of thousands or millions of people can eat instead of not eat. It could affect whether or not people can make a living where they live as opposed to trying to cross the oceans to migrate to places where they can. And all the political conflicts that come with that.

[A]

Okay, and this is kind of in the context of deporting bad. The policy approach toward immigration, you know, the sort of mess that he's created is something the climate change. Okay, let's. Let's accept the premise that climate change is the reason for mass migration. All right, former President Obama, you fix immigration through climate change policy. Get back to us on that. Until it kicks in, we'll build a wall and deport people. How about that? What a piece of this guy. The next one, so they don't have.

[C]

To go across an ocean. They could just go north.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Bangladesh.

[A]

Yeah. Now do that example. Now being able to grow food, do northern Canada, do a lot of the Nordic countries where they have a longer growing season, do cherries in Michigan, the most persnickety crop that exists in record yields, but the government tells farmers they have to dump it to keep prices artificially high. Let's go on to his Netflix partnership. You may not have known about this. Yeah, there's a direct partnership where he produces woke propaganda crap like Leave the World behind, which by the way, in case you say, hey, I think this guy supports race baiting. Let me show you a clip of one of his projects with Netflix where they directly they do the race baiting.

[E]

I'm asking for you to remember that if the world falls apart, trust should.

[C]

Not be doled out easily to anyone, especially white people. My mom would agree with me on that.

[A]

Ah, okay. I noticed she didn't say dad, now.

[C]

We'Re like foxes.

[A]

Can't trust us, can't trust white people. I'm assuming this is like a post apocalyptic scenario, rebuilding the world. All right, how about this? You don't trust white people. You place trust in the cradle of civilization. You know, largely Ethiopia, but Africa. And see, you know, give it 6, 10,000 years and see if, like in our instance right now in the real world, this universe, it still looks like Africa. Here's the thing, if nothing else, if you want a society that functions and you want to get rid of tribal warfare, cannibalism, child sacrifice, you kind of want to trust some white people or really modern Christendom, but he can't touch that with a ten foot pole. What a piece of. Now here he goes. I really hope Jason's not on yet. He wants to subvert our democracy, our constitutional republic entirely by, after not being president, still meeting with nations or people or activists in nations that he doesn't like. And he'll tell you why that is.

[B]

Like many of you, I've become increasingly concerned about the rising wave of authoritarianism sweeping the globe. No one is being spared. Even countries that thought they were immune from wholesale assaults on democracy now understand we're all part of this struggle. I recently sat down with three leaders who are part of the Obama Foundation's alumni network to discuss their work in Hungary and Poland, two countries on the leading edge of confronting autocracy. People like Stefania Sandor and Susana, they give me hope. And it's why a big part of our mission here at the foundation is to connect, inspire and empower leaders like them.

[A]

Democracy is something to be practiced regularly. We need people to be engaged and to be empowered for them to feel the ownership of the country that it's theirs and not to give it away to someone. Now that would sound great, like if he was dealing with a Pol Pot, by the way, Communist or Mao. Poland and Hungary, they both freely elected their leadership. Like that's what he has a problem with. And by the way, Poland elected a conservative president. They still have a liberal prime minister. It's actually pretty damn balanced. Also pretty Damn safe. In 2023, the rape numbers in Poland were 1,130. In the UK, 68,000.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Poland kind of got trounced on. They were the butt of people's jokes and they went a different direction, said, yeah, we're not going to keep tolerating that. But I will tell you this, what sort of set the stage for everything that we're experiencing now. And I hear this a lot when people talk about, well, actually it's the rhetoric of Donald Trump. Don't you think it's the rhetoric of Donald Trump. That's why we have what we have right now. No, the single most corrosive thing that set the wheels in motion for Black Lives Matter, antifa and this kind of soft civil war that we have right now was Barack Obama, when he didn't need to say anything, choosing to go out of his way and address what we now know were fraudulent claims on the initial Black Lives Matter race baiting case of Trayvon Martin, he decided that he just had to stick his oar in and let you know about it.

[B]

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

[A]

And he kept talking about it, and he kept talking about it. And people like us who were raised in largely. I'm not saying that racism is ever eradicated. A post racial America where our biggest film stars were Will Smith and Denzel Washington, biggest shows were shows like Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Steve Urkel, Family Matters. Right. The most recognizable faces on earth in the 90s were Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson. I know, okay, we'll call that a.

[C]

Half point, but they're all Michaels.

[A]

Yeah. And then after the first black president was elected, race relations became worse than ever. All of us thought, hey, at least with this happening, you know, at least now there'll be some healing that will take place. Right? Even if we didn't agree with his policies. And instead, they got unbelievably worse. Between 2013 and 2015 alone, the percent of respondents to Gallup saying that race relations were good with white people, it went down by 27%. With black Americans, it went down by 15%. So I guess he was in one way the great uniter, and that he united Americans to fear, to mistrust, to revile their neighbor, and to divide us more than ever before. Because you see that across the board. Hey, I'm really glad we had some of that healing Barack Obama style. What a piece of this has been Barack Obama post presidency. What a piece. And I believe on that note, if I'm not mistaken, we have our guest here. Okay? So before I bring him on, this man, actually, he reached out to us on X and I believe it'll be a respectful disagreement on border policy. Here he is a host on the all in podcast. Those guys do some great stuff, by the way. They have some pretty good roundtables. Let's welcome to the program Jason Calacanis.

[E]

She had to use a picture of me when I was fat. How dare you?

[A]

You're fat.

[E]

Shaming me. I've been on the show for fuck.

[A]

That's okay. You can say whatever you want. Yeah, you can say whatever you want.

[E]

On the show for fucking five seconds, and this guy starts fat shaming me.

[A]

Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I've watched your show. You don't usually talk like you're, you know, in the Sopranos like this. I've been on your show for fucking five. What happened? This is not the chase. And I feel.

[E]

Well, here's what happened. I'M from Brooklyn.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

All right, then. You know, grew up in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, in the 70s. Like you, I think I'm a Gen Xer. And then I became very, you know, successful in the technology industry, so I had to kind of damper it down. But then when I saw you retweeting me and I was gonna come on the show, I start watching the show, and all of a sudden, I'm transplanted into 1992. I'm on the B train listening to Howard Stern.

[A]

Oh, there you go.

[E]

So you got Bob. Bob Bowie over here. Yeah, and Jackie the Joke man. I don't know who these two guys are, but they're funny.

[D]

Well.

[A]

Well, thank you very much. And, no, I'm not a Dan Extra Millennial, but I have those Pete Hegseth forehead wrinkles.

[E]

You're not a millennial.

[A]

I am.

[E]

I'm 38 for Gen X.

[A]

Okay. All right. Yeah, I know it doesn't. I wear it poorly. This is a great start.

[E]

Guy acts like he's 64.

[A]

Now, look, before we go. And by the way, people who are watching, since I know we kind of went late, we're going to start here, and everyone watching you can click that button and join Rumble Premium, where you can watch the rest of the debate. And of course, we'll provide it to you, Jason, so you can upload it wherever you want to subscribe.

[E]

I'm a subscriber. $10 a month.

[A]

Oh, well, thank you very much. We appreciate it. And, Jason, Gerald was telling me. Hold on. The reason we have their mics muted is because, you know, we do this remotely, it'll all go through the same tubes. But you said that he asked for the Taco Bell clip first. I would just like to say that Jason said I was funny. I don't know that we spent enough time on that. But anyway, we can unpack it. Yeah. Thank you, Jason. Appreciate that. We'll do a show. No, he was talking about the Taco Bell thing. Okay. Talking about fat shaming. You want me to play that clip again before we get into this?

[E]

Well, no, actually, I got. I have a great one for you.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

And just for background, I was like a svelte, 165 pound, marathon, running, practice Taekwondo. And then I got married and added, like, two pounds a year for 20 years. Became up to 13.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

And then I did the Ozempic. No shame in the GLP game. Now I'm actually a spokesperson for Road Co. So I got. I snuck in a plug there along with Serena and Charles Barkley.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

And I lost like £40. I feel fucking great.

[A]

Good for you. Good for you. Is that why you wear glasses? No. You're not having the vision problems?

[E]

No, it just started degrading like a little bit each year. However, there's. There's a lens replacement therapy because I have a Steven. I have a lot of celebrity friends now, since all in is the number one podcast in the world. And one of my celebrity friends told me about this thing in la. They take out your lens and they replace it with a bionic lens and it just turns you into like cyborg. So I'm getting that done. I won't have to wear glasses.

[A]

Well, if that happens, don't get first seen in RoboCoped because that still traumatizes me to this day. Lingered way too, since you guys like to goof.

[E]

My feed on Instagram, since they changed the algorithm, has plus size party hoppers. Plus size park hoppers. Look that up, Bubba Buoy.

[A]

Okay, so they're buzz kills. What were you saying there, Josh? Yeah, you can turn. Billy, ride the mics. What were you saying?

[E]

I think we've done the two ladies.

[C]

That show you how to get.

[A]

Oh, yes, yes, that's right. Where they ride children's rides and they.

[C]

Don'T fit the kids rides.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

It's just unbelievable that like the entire every ride at the park has to be re engineered for people who are £400.

[A]

I know, I know. Yeah.

[E]

And I just thought. Or don't go on the ride.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Yes.

[E]

Oh, is that big. I mean, I need some fat shave.

[A]

I agree.

[E]

I wish I was fat, shaved, poor.

[A]

I agree. It's like, hey, except. Except the ride is made for children. Don't make us get on the phone with Pratt and Whitney and bombard you to try and have to change this. That's a little munchy, Elon.

[E]

I was talking to Elon the other day. He's gonna stop working on Mars and he's gonna fix the rides at Disney. It's gonna take like six years, so it's gonna be fine, guys. Don't worry.

[A]

I'm gonna start working on Mars bars based on what matters. Yeah, stop eating the Mars bars. Exactly. So let me. Okay, so I want to set this up and I appreciate coming on and being in good spirits. You know Joe Rogan or you retweeted a clip of Joe Rogan where he called for people to have an effing heart. When it came to immigration, largely deportations, to which I responded, and really it was laying the brain. People Know, like, he runs my Twitter because I say what I need to in the show. It said. Or. And hear me out. And I said this on air. How about we enforce the laws that put Americans first. You cannot selectively enforce laws based on your emotions. And you, I think, disagreed. Or your position is different and you're willing to come in on the show. And by the way, where's the best place for people to watch or download your show? The all in podcast.

[E]

Yeah, you just go to any podcast player, type in all in or my other podcast this week. In startups, which is my day job, I invest in technology companies.

[A]

Very cool. Well, this is my day job. And as you can see, I'm asus. Let me ask you this, so I don't want to misrepresent your stance. Can you explain for those watching right now what your position is? Because I understand it, you're much more of a moderate. I don't think that you're a far left.

[E]

I'm not a libtard.

[A]

Right.

[E]

I'm a truly independent moderate. I voted Democrat, probably 60% and Republican 40%. Largely a function of growing up in New York and living in California. You don't really get a chance to vote for many Republicans, except maybe Giuliani, etc. Which I did because I come from a family of law enforcement. But I would like to do is take this from two approaches. One, I understand that there is a lot of anger, specifically in your community, which I will say, you know, the sort of MAGA loyalists, if I think that's a correct way to describe it, about what happened under Biden.

[A]

And I wouldn't describe myself as a MAGA loyalist. I'm a pretty traditional, basic bitch, pumpkin spice conservative. But I think he's been a very effective president and I support the immigration policy. Yes.

[E]

Great. Yeah.

[A]

So.

[E]

And there's a lot of, as my friend David Sacks explained to me, there's a lot of kind of anger about what happened under the Biden presidency, which was a completely open border, Right. And we got about 10 million people, some say 8, some say 12. So, okay, we have 10 million people who came in who shouldn't. Why did they bring them in? The theory, a large theory, is to convert them to Democratic voters over time by paying them off with the incredible thing known as American citizenship, which I think everybody here, I don't know if any of the guys on the staff are Native Americans, but we're all immigrants here. So then if you look and you open the lens, there's 40 million immigrants in this country illegally. That's probably the right number. Some people might say 30, some people might, Tucker might say 50 C. Bannon might say 500 million. You know, everybody's got a different approach here, but let's just go with 10 and 40, which means 30 million of the people here, 75% of them are came here before Biden. And what Trump did very successfully in winning this election, which was a miracle. And I base it on two things. One, how weak the candidate that was selected in a non democratic process, Kamala, that was the number one reason he won. The number two reason was because of the border. I think most people would agree with that, those two statements. So now we're in, I think, agreement. We've set the stage. That means the other.

[A]

Can I tell you why I disagree? A couple of things.

[E]

Sure, sure. Please, please.

[A]

So first off, I think that you have been uncharid in a couple of ways. Like I said, I think you're moderate to Say right away, Maga loyalist. I think that's kind of a misrepresentation. The 8 to 12 number. I don't know if you're just talking about border crossings, but you are using the lowest end number. 12 million is the minimum. Some people have it as high as 20 million. The actual, the last number. Now this is also including some visa overstays. 18 million under about three and a half years of Joe Biden. And I think that's significant because people right away are going to go, oh, hold on a second. We make all of our references available, they're going to go, let's see. Seems inaccurate. The Native American thing. Come on, you know what you're doing there. That's silly also.

[E]

I was teeing that up. I'm teeing that up.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

I get you set in the stage.

[E]

But I'll go, let's split the difference. 14 million people here under Biden, 40 million total. Okay, I'm splitting the difference with 18.

[A]

Million, but yeah, okay, fine, off to a hot start. I just want to be clear laying out the terms because you skim past it and we'll make it available so people can check CBP, the references. 18 million is the most recent accurate estimate. And that's a low end.

[E]

Perfect. Let's even go with 18 then. Fine. And so what people need to understand in the context was America, a country built by immigrants for immigrants. Let those other people in and the people who are primarily behind letting in all those other people. So 40 -18, the other 22 million. If I go with your number mine would be 30. But hey, we're in the ballpark here. Those people are let in because Reagan, Bush and second, Bush, Clinton, to a certain extent, not Obama, were very proud the North America Free Trade Agreement, as you know, and they wanted open borders. In fact, they wanted the United States to be similar. Similar to the eu, where people just pass through freely. Why did they want that? Republicans who drove this strategy for 40 of the last 50 years, or 35 the last 50 years, they did this because they wanted cheap labor. Republicans drove this for the majority of the time. Biden picked up, you know, Biden said hold my beer and went crazy. I think we'll both agree on that. Okay, so here we are. Now let's talk about the efficiency of.

[A]

Why did you skip Clinton and Barack Obama?

[E]

Obama did a lot of deportations. Actually. It was pretty tight on the border and Clinton was kind of somewhere in between. And you can pull up the charts and you can look at it. The other problem we have is we'll use this border crossings.

[A]

But it is important because they were, I would argue, just. I want to touch on that because. Because they politicized the border crossing in a way that hadn't been done before. So when you talk, first off, I don't care what previous Republicans did. That's why Donald Trump was elected. Right. There's a rejection on.

[E]

You just care about what previous Democrats did. Got it?

[A]

No, I care about what both of them did. And I disagree. I think one of the big mistakes was proposing amnesty under Reagan along with no fault divorce. He's not some deity. What we're talking about right now is a deportations. But as far as how that goes with the floor's consent policy, right? This is something that happened, was signed into law under Clinton in 97 and Barack Obama used that as a cudgel. Right? Look, who built the cage? Who built the cages, Joe. Who built the cages, Joe? It's relevant because they politicized it. We have a former Army Ranger here who actually worked on Operation Nimbus where Barack Obama sent people quietly to the border. But he did also at that point we had dream become daca, where he said, if there's a bill, I'll sign it on my desk tomorrow. The fact is it was never radical enough. They used it as a political talking point. So I just, I agree with you. If I can agree with you and all the Republicans, you got to agree with me too. You can't just skim over Clinton and Barack Obama. Is that fair?

[E]

I wanted to send those people back over that border. I didn't have sexual relations with that woman, Joe.

[A]

Well, just don't start jerking off on a green blouse. Hold on, I got a couple of cigars here. I heard you method act. Yeah, a couple of cigars. Okay.

[E]

And thank you for your service to a ranger over there. So you know what to do now, I guess is the question. And if you look at why, I want to give you the two pragmatic reasons of why we should do this differently. Try to convince you.

[A]

Definitely. From what? Because right now it's obviously secure the border and deport illegal aliens. Do we agree on that?

[E]

100% agree. We should close the border.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

It always should have been closed. So great. Check. I think we both probably agree violent criminals and any crime done by somebody who is also here illegally, they should go immediately. So I think that's two strong agreements that we'll have. Then how do we deport?

[A]

Well, I don't agree with that. I think that it's a. I think that it's illegal to come here illegally. And I say this as someone who is, you know, was raised in Canada. My mom is French Canadian. Came here legally. I have people who work for me who've come here legally. So that is a crime. I know that people say it's a misdemeanor, but that's enough for me. That's my. I would take it a step further.

[E]

Valid.

[A]

Continue.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, I think it's totally valid to have that position as well. It is a crime. And it's a crime that's, you know, been allowed. As you mentioned, it's a misdemeanor. We don't take it seriously. And we, in fact, kind of have waved people in because we needed cheap labor in this country. So how do we deal with it now? Well, Trump is at an all time low in his ratings. This is the worst rating since, like season five and six of the Apprentice.

[A]

Like, how's that relevant? How's it relevant?

[E]

It's very relevant if you want to. It's very relevant in terms of convincing you if you want to win the midterms and finish what I call the Trump 2.0 agenda, which is the one I agree with. Close the border, lower taxes, fair trade, less regulation, and a smaller government. With Doge, I agree with that platform. That's why I supported Trump in this last election. That's also. And freedom of speech and no censorship. So if you put that collection of issues, I'll call Trump 2.0. When he, he brought in a bunch of Democrats. Classic New York Democrats to build out this administration. That's big. Part of why he won is because he was able to convert fiscally conservative, socially liberal Democrats like Trump. That's exactly what Trump is. He's a lifelong Democrat who is incredibly.

[A]

Certainly the most socially liberal Republican we've had in recent memory. Yeah, yeah.

[E]

So he brought all those Democrats in to win for actual Christian conservatives like you. And I also am a Christian. And so in order to win those, he got that base. And then he added something. We're going to lose the midterms because Trump has Stephen Miller and Pam Bondi out here doing things that are highly, highly unpopular with those moderates. Those moderates are what won him the election.

[A]

Okay, so please tell me, because this is important, because you throw it all under Donald Trump's approval rating. And we know, for example, I use a as an example. Phelps won Olympic medals in spite of eating McDonald's every day. Right. It didn't help him. So we can't attribute it to McDonald's, Donald Trump, his approval. And there's some debate about that, about his approval ratings right now, but I know that they're not ideal. It may be in spite of the fact that deporting illegal aliens has been consistently and overwhelmingly popular. In other words, someone could make the argument that that's what's keeping him afloat. When you look at the most recent Harvard Harris poll, deport all immigrants, over 54%. The last poll that we had that would be accurate, showed that a majority of Hispanic Americans, a huge block of them, support deporting all illegal aliens. So you're not gonna.

[E]

Absolutely, they do.

[A]

You can't say that he's unpopular because of deportations. That would be a pretty big leap to make.

[E]

So violence in chaos is the thing that the moderates who I represent, as you know, which is why I have him on the show, I speak for them. They don't like it. And so I sent you a chart. I think I would encourage you, instead of cherry picking specific polls, to just look at the Economist and careful with the language.

[A]

Again, I didn't cherry pick. I picked the most recent. You could use CBS and you could use the most accurate ones and we'll list them all publicly. I'm not cherry picking anything. It is an overwhelmingly popular policy. Just to be clear. And I don't think that what determines what is morally right. Right is popularity. But it is. We do have to be clear about that. When we talk about violence, we'll have to define that because I agree. Anti fund black lives Matter are a huge problem.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, we can get to that. The horseshoe. The tip. Tip tips of the horseshoe. We'll get to that in a minute. So, yeah, we can touch tips. Not a problem. Just. It's not gay.

[A]

Don't look me in the eyes.

[E]

It's fine. It's a little gay.

[A]

I mean, we could crush streams. We'll talk off air.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

I have to say, there's a lot of gay shenanigans. I was listening to the war because we're children. Yes, but. Go on.

[E]

Yes, absolutely.

[A]

But I do. Because I do. We'll need to go to Rumble Premium, guys. No, no, no, no. It's fine.

[C]

Right?

[A]

God loves us all.

[E]

Doesn't make you bad guys.

[A]

Red and yellow, black and white. But I will say this. We do have to go to Rumble Premium pretty soon. So I'd like you to kind of wrap up your premise so we can go to a back and forth.

[E]

So I wrap up very quick, look at the aggregate poll data. There are people who pull this together, like economists, Silver Bulletin, they'll pull together all of the things and what you'll see is I gave you a little chart here. As you watch Trump's net approval rating, people who approve, minus people who disapprove, it's plummeted. It plummeted the first time at Liberation Day. When he did the tariffs, obviously he went too far. He pulled back. I don't like the term taco because I think it's insulting to the President, but he did adjust. Then you had the protest in LA that got violent. He dipped again, not releasing the Epstein files, which I know you want to see them released like everybody else, that also caused him plummet. And now these Chicago ICE raids are having them go down. So on a practical basis, for the people listening here who are staunch conservatives or part of the MAGA movement or even part of the proud boys, losing the midterms is going to be disastrous for Trump.

[A]

You say you're a moderate, but come on, throw in. Or maybe part of the proud boys. Like this is this. Seven different kinds of misleading. This. It's not a good faith. The kind of smoke that you're throwing there. People watching our Proud Boys.

[E]

1%. I just went down like, all right, you know, and then down to maga. And then you would say the tip there. And then on the other side, it's Democrats woke Democrats and then antifa. Well, so just even what the difference.

[A]

Is, Donald Trump was elected with a mandate of the masses, specifically on two issues, immigration. And of course, the economy because it was disastrous. And so when you say that, I didn't see you include. Cuz you don't need to go to proud boys, radical Democrats, which would be Joe Biden, which would be Kamala Harris, which would be Elizabeth Warren. Right. People who believe that it's evil to not allow your child to transition. Like I think they're more radical than the proud boys, to be clear. So you're doing it on one side.

[E]

No, I'm with you on the horseshoe there. I actually totally agree on it.

[A]

But it's not a horseshoe. That's the entire mainstream Democrat. I'm comparing Donald Trump to the candidates on the left.

[E]

I would say there were a lot of the moderates who now support Trump, probably voted for, almost certainly in my experience, voted for Obama and Clinton. Let's put it aside for a second. So my first argument to you is it's critical to not have Trump become a lame duck president. You gotta win the midterms. You're gonna lose them right now because of what I perceive as people don't like chaos and people don't like the violent nature of the deportations and then rapid fire. The other thing I'd like to appeal to you on is there is a better way. In no point in history of this country did we want to have people with masks on without their badge numbers going and tackling people. Now I know there are some.

[A]

I agree. Covid was a travesty. What they were doing to their own citizens was a travesty. Yeah, agree with that as well.

[E]

100% agree with it. So neither of these things are correct. Neither of them should have been done. And the difference is one was done.

[A]

Against American citizens who were following the law while criminals were aided and abetted. And right now the violence you're talking about comes from illegal immigrants and their supporters and their ilk. So I don't have a problem with someone wearing a riot helmet to deport someone who has no business being here. I do have a problem with someone wearing a mask during the Summer of Love shooting paintballs at American citizens. But that's where I'm an extremist.

[E]

What I would say is also, you know, be careful in terms of giving too much power to the federal government. Cuz when president aocs in and she's coming around with a mask on and then picking up people because you said a homophobic joke or that she perceives it or a trans joke, and then she comes and, you know, knocks on your door like they're doing in the UK and Says, oh, I need you to come downtown with me because we have to have a conversation like they.

[A]

Did here in the States with the Department of Misinformation and.

[E]

Absolutely.

[A]

Us being demonetized, us being shadow banned.

[E]

You were in all of them. I know. I was with Elon during the transition at Twitter when we uncovered all the stuff. So I'm going to make a financial one for you, okay. If the violence is going to be.

[A]

Clear, you made a. I just want to be clear. Your first argument is the popularity argument, that it's unpopular about optics. The second one is a financial one.

[E]

I'm going to do both of these because I think these are the ones that I can get through to you on. I know I'm not going to win, you know, any of the legal arguments, and I know people are tweeting, I, this is what I voted for. This is what I voted for. I can't get through you on that, so I'm not going to even try. You're allowed to have that opinion. Hey, people came in illegally. Deport every single one of them.

[A]

I, along with the majority of Americans. Even up till this minute. Yes, go ahead.

[E]

But I think I can win you on these two. One, you're gonna lose the midterms, and then you're gonna lose all power, and we're gonna spiral back into Trump being impeached and chaos for the last few years of his presidency. Second thing I hope I can appeal to you on is there's a better way. Okay, you can just go. I don't know if you saw the 79 year old who got tackled and he's suing this. Suing the government for $50 million he owned. And all this is breaking news. So there'll be back and forth on the details.

[A]

I'm willing to bet there'll be a lot of fourth, but yes, exactly.

[E]

And so, you know, he claims he had well documented employees. And he wound up, you know, getting tackled by these guys. They came in like, you know, it's the rate of Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan. And so it would be much easier to go to that person and just say, can we see the papers of everybody? They run off. You say, okay, who ran off? And you give a $10,000 fine for each person. Then the next week you come back and you give two. The only reason these people are here is to make it better lives, putting aside criminals, and that's, you know, whatever percentage you want to believe it is. But the majority of them are here, as we all know. Like our parents who came before us. I don't know how many generations you are, but I'm 8th generation Irish here in the country.

[A]

Oh, gross. Sorry about that.

[E]

I don't know. You're Italian or something.

[A]

No, I'm French Canadian. We're worse than the Irish or Italians Canadian. I mean, I am American. And then the worst part is I was born in Detroit, the worst part of the country. So believe me, you're gross, I'm grosser. I get it. Yeah. No, there's, there's, there's rugs to this. Oh, my God. French Canadian.

[B]

Jeez.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

So here's what we need to understand. We're spending 30 billion on ice. We'll get three or four hundred thousand people out in the first year. Stephen Miller has done a terrible job on these deportations. Even with the violence, it's only going to be 3 or 400. 100 of them will self deport in all likelihood, and you'll have 300 taken out by force. It's much easier on an economic basis rather than spend 60 to $100,000 per deportation and lose the midterms and possibly lose 2028 because you create too much chaos and you don't make enough progress that you will turn it into a profit center. One of the great gifts Trump has is taking something where we're losing money and turn it into a profit center. You give these fines. The people who are coming here are coming here for jobs.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

They will leave because they will not have jobs. On the employment thing, we are in the lowest unemployment of your lifetime. 4.5% or less for the last couple of years. We actually need workers, but better to have them documented, better to have them come through a clean process. We all agree. So by doing these fines, instead of burning $30 billion a year for four years and burning 120 billion, losing the midterms, probably going to lose 2028. Putting all that wind in the face of the Trump 2.0 agenda. You can actually stop the violence, stop the lawsuits, and win over and not lose the moderates who got you here. That's my pitch.

[A]

I hear it.

[E]

You know, tell me if I'm crazy.

[A]

Let me address it.

[E]

I think it's a good pitch.

[A]

I think some pretty flawed, some pretty flawed premises there. So, okay, like you said, there'll be a back and forth with this recent one, this man suing for $50 million. Right. I get that you sort of try and set the stage that ICE is violent, but the truth is the examples that we have for Crying out loud. You're talking about the media fomenting violence, right? Remember Abrego Garcia, the Maryland man? Turns out, Ms. 13, turns out this guy was a serial criminal. Just recently we had this with the ICE raids. The journalist, was it Debbie Brockman? She said that she was arrested for reporting. The reality was that she threw an object at an ICE vehicle. We had another one was Raffi Ola, whatever her name was. You guys remember the Van Nuys car wash? Owner was arrested, we were told, even though he was a citizen. The reality is that there were five illegals there. They were arrested and the raid was impeding officers. I've heard your numbers where you talk about the economic and just give me. I won't take nearly as much time where you say that costs $100,000 per violent deportation. Just kind of like using the number 8 million to 12 million. You always tend to pick the low end. It's a UPENN study. And by the way, these UPENN studies give a range of 30,000 to 109,000. So you're taking the high, high end, where even if they average it out, they say 70,000. But if we go to the DHS, we go to CDs.

[E]

I think I said 60 to 100. Okay, so it's pretty similar.

[A]

So the real number, the real. Well, we have it 30 to 109. The real number, according to DHS, according to other reporting, is 17,000 to $20,000. So let's just deal with that and go. Okay, you said I was cherry picking. You're cherry picking those numbers. And I will say this. I understand when you're talking about the midterms and you're talking about optics, but we have to also account for the fact that this is, yet again, goalposts moving. And what do I mean by that? You have young people who've lived through this. Right. You address previous Republicans while not really addressing Democrats. We look at this and we go, okay, illegal aliens are costing American taxpayers anywhere from 150 billion to 400. $150 billion per year. Conservative estimate is 150 billion. I remember because I did a build a wall. Changed my mind in 2018, and that number was 116 billion. But in dealing with this, let's go through the timeline. Building a wall was racist. It was opposed. They didn't want to build a wall. Leftists said, we're going to create sanctuary cities. They were opposing the literal deportation of illegal aliens in our federal prisons who had committed violent crimes. They oppose that. They opposed President Trump when he offered in his first term a DACA three year extension, then they have policy that leads to 18 million, you say, 812 million in about three years. And now the left, who had wide open borders, who created sanctuary cities, who said, you know, we're not going to deport violent felons. It was never about dreamers, it was never about anchor babies. They didn't want to deport violent felons in our prison system, say, yeah, yeah, but now hold on a second. We all agree on a sensible border policy, right? Well, they did. And now they say, well, we all just want to deport violent criminals, right? But they didn't. And now it's just. But how about just a path to citizenship? And this is the final argument that I'll make. We can go through the economics of it, we can go through the optics of it. I think that Donald Trump would be far worse off if he didn't deliver on the promises, especially the promises that, by the way, were the reason for him being propelled into office on immigration and on the economy. But it is morally imperative that we create a culture of deterrence. And what do I mean by that? I get it where people say, hey, even though we don't want to deport violent felons, and even though we create sanctuary cities, and even though legal immigrants have to live in this personal hell that we've created in blue cities across this country, there are still people, my God, who are here and just want to seek out a better life. But even if we are as charitable as possible, that is what allows, encourages and abets more slaves on Earth than ever in recorded history. A huge amount of sex slaves, 300,000, 13,000 under Joe Biden's tenure, 13,000 of whom have been recovered. And I don't know if you had the opportunity to, I would highly encourage you to do so. Tom Holman was on this show and I asked him about this, exactly where I said, look, what about people who are seeking a better life?

[E]

How much? 50 grand. First appearance.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

Put it in the camera. How do you address people who say, hey, look, these people are just seeking a better life and we should only be deporting for the first time, Democrats agreeing with it, you know, violent felons. And he answered that question. And this is something that people need to understand. It doesn't exist and it's vacuum. And the worst thing you can do is create a strong border policy, but at the same time give some kind of a path to amnesty or citizenship, because it only encourages and will propel the human traffickers and the cartel forward. Here's Tom Holman's answer. And then I want to go to. Let me just play this clip for you. And then because I gave you a long and then, and then let's go back and forth. But Tom Holman, very powerful answer. And those who are not, we're going to continue on Rumble Premium. You'll be able to watch it probably later on. Jason, this channel. Let's watch this Tom Holman clip.

[D]

If they knew what I knew, if they wore my shoes for the last, you know, I started a board tour in 1984. If they wore my shoes for the last 40 years, if they stood in the back of tractor trailer like I did, surrounded by 19 dead people who baked to death, including a five year old little boy who begged his father not to let him die, but that was the first child to die. When they standing back there and you smell it and you see it and you feel it when they talk to little girls like I have as young as 9 years old that's been raped multiple times by the members of the cartel. When you get down and talk to that little girl like I did and you see everything innocent and pure, everything innocent and pure within her has been stolen. And she has no faith in humanity anymore. Her life will never be the same. Wear my shoes for four decades and see the travesties I've seen. Go to Phoenix, Arizona, run operation Ice Storm where smuggling cartels are ripping each other off for the other people they smuggle because they're worth a lot of money. And when alien couldn't afford to pay the smuggling fees, they agreed to $10,000. Smuggling fee. They call the relative up. Okay, we got your guy here now got your brother here. You owe us $20,000. And they say no, it's $10,000. Well, guess what, we're going to make it $20,000. If you don't pay it, we'll kill them. And they did. They would call relatives up and put them on the phone and listen to a relative get tortured and slowly killed because they pay the smuggling fees. So I can go on and on and on. Truth for 40 years. See what I've seen. You can understand my anger when you open up a border. When Joe Biden won the election, six months before the election, I wrote op ed, fox news.com, i said, if Joe Biden becomes president, we lose the border. And what does that mean? More children would die, more women will get raped, more aliens will die, more Americans will die, more public safety threats will cross the border. More fentanyl is going to get in the country, I call it because I've seen it for four decades. So when people say, well, you're angry. Why are you so emotional? Because you don't know what I know.