Vintage MAGA: Trump's Epic Somalia Rant Isn't Racist - It's Irrefutable

Summary

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Louder with Crowder – "Vintage MAGA: Trump’s Epic Somalia Rant Isn’t Racist – It’s Irrefutable"

Episode Summary – December 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Louder with Crowder centers on Donald Trump’s recent viral rant about Somalia and immigration, with Crowder making the case that Trump’s remarks—while seen as offensive by critics—are "irrefutable" rather than racist. The show combines political analysis with irreverent banter, a satirical take on news coverage, and a bonus “Change My Mind” segment from the University of Oklahoma, exploring what it truly means to be American.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Somalia Rant: Racist or Realism?

[13:05 - 15:12]

• The episode’s main focus is on Donald Trump’s speech in which he referred disparagingly to Somalia, the Somali diaspora in the U.S., and Rep. Ilhan Omar.

• Crowder plays the audio from Trump’s speech, highlighting lines like:

  “Their country stinks and we don’t want them in our country.”
  “Ilhan Omar is garbage. She’s garbage. Her friends are garbage.”
  (Donald Trump, 13:05 – 14:39)

• Crowder and his team dissect the speech, arguing that Trump’s criticisms are aimed at behavior and culture, not race:

  “Race didn’t enter into the equation objectively. Somalia is a hell hole... anyone coming from there shouldn’t wave its flag if they’re grateful to be here.”
  (Crowder, 15:12)

• The hosts assert Trump "nailed" the delivery and defend the right of Americans to determine who enters the country, emphasizing patriotism and assimilation.

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2. Response & Reactions: Media and Critics

[19:06 - 23:36]

• Crowder mocks media coverage, especially outlets like The New York Times, which called the Trump rant “unapologetic bigotry.”

• He challenges what he sees as double standards, arguing other developed nations have stricter immigration policies.

• The team notes the history of fraud and welfare abuse within some U.S. Somali communities, referencing recent reports.

  “Over the last five years, law enforcement officials say fraud took root in pockets of Minnesota’s Somali diaspora…”
  (NYT paraphrased, 20:31)

• Crowder points out that many Americans appreciate genuine immigrants but bristle at what they see as entitlement or lack of assimilation.

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3. Cultural Commentary & Satire

[17:05+ and scattered]

• Crowder and crew frequently break into satirical sketches, sometimes crossing lines with edgy humor and national stereotypes.
• There’s a running bit lampooning South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem’s “full travel ban” rhetoric, comparing her approach to that of a dog owner telling misbehaving dogs to "get, go on, get."
• The group uses jokes about ethnic restaurants, inbreeding, and musical culture to ridicule what they perceive as failures of integration.

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4. Celebrity Opposition: Sabrina Carpenter & Ben Stiller

[31:34 - 37:40]

• The episode features an "Entertainment Minute" skewering pop singer Sabrina Carpenter, who objected to her song being used in a White House immigration video.

  “This video is evil and disgusting. Do not ever involve me or my music to benefit your inhumane agenda.”
  (Sabrina Carpenter, 33:54)

• Crowder fires back, asserting that deporting criminal aliens is not "inhumane," itemizing a list of violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants as his rebuttal.

• Ben Stiller’s criticism—calling Trump’s rhetoric racist and un-American—is addressed by pointing out Stiller’s own privileged neighborhood and alleged hypocrisy.

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5. Deep Dive: What Does It Mean to Be American? — "Change My Mind"

[41:31 – 68:19]

• Crowder airs a bonus "Change My Mind" discussion from the University of Oklahoma, engaging with a thoughtful student, Gabriel.
• The conversation explores U.S. immigration, culture, and the definition of “American.”
  • Crowder’s stance: “A country needs to look out for the best interests of its citizens... We have to have criteria for people coming here.”
  • Gabriel’s counterpoint: “The only thing that makes an American is a willingness to make this country great... so many immigrants have that.”
  • Crowder challenges the value of multiculturalism for its own sake, advocating for strong criteria (language, cultural fit, net contribution) for citizenship.
• The dialogue reveals both agreement (on the flaws of the current U.S. immigration system) and persistent disagreement (on what the requirements for citizenship/assimilation should be).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Trump’s Rant

“We’re going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country. Ilhan Omar is garbage… Her friends are garbage.”
(Donald Trump, 13:05 – 14:39)

Crowder Interprets Trump

“He didn’t just say Somalis need to go… If you’re just going to come here and complain and bitch, then go back and make that place better… Race didn’t enter into the equation.”
(Steven Crowder, 15:12)

On Media Criticism:

“Wag your finger at every other nation, including the Nordic nations you love, who are far more stringent about who can come in.”
(Crowder, 19:06)

On Cultural Assimilation

“Someone coming from Somalia, they’re leaving certain death for free stuff. They already have free stuff in Denmark, Sweden… They’re saying, I want to come to the United States because I want to reap the fruits of my labor.”
(Crowder, 23:36)

On Defining "American"

“You have no allegiance to any other nation before the United States. That means you don’t send your money elsewhere... We need to have a shared common culture.”
(Crowder, 65:11)

“Well, I mean, so much of American cuisine is made up of foreign cuisine…”
(Gabriel, OU student, 66:09)

“You’re not going to get me on tandoori chicken, that’s not the reason we need a bunch of third world immigrants who don’t speak the language.”
(Crowder, 66:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump’s Somalia Rant Audio – 13:05 – 14:39
• Immediate Panel Reaction – 14:43 – 15:12
• Media Reaction and Crowder’s Critique – 19:06 – 23:36
• Debate Over Immigrant Assimilation – 23:36 – 25:35
• Ben Stiller/Sabrina Carpenter Responses – 26:00 – 37:40
• Entertainment Satire Segment – 31:34 – 37:40
• Change My Mind at University of Oklahoma – 41:31 – 68:19

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Tone & Style

Crowder’s tone throughout is provocative, combative, and unapologetically non-PC. The episode mixes serious policy arguments, sharp criticism of mainstream media and public figures, and extended stretches of edgy humor (at times veering into deliberately offensive stereotypes).

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Conclusion

This episode defends Trump’s comments as blunt honesty about immigration issues, not racism, framing assimilation and contribution as the core American values under threat. Crowder challenges cultural relativism, lampoons celebrity critics, and uses a college campus discussion to probe the tension between inclusivity and American cultural identity.

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For full references and further information, check the episode description or Crowder’s cited sources.

Transcript

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[D]

Gonna say that with that hair?

[A]

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[D]

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[A]

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[D]

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What are you talking about?

[D]

From me.

[A]

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[F]

Yes.

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A Chinese people's armed policeman didn't fare so well during one of the grenade drills.

Next great superpower.

[D]

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[A]

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[E]

Yeah.

[D]

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That's supposed to be our biggest threat.

[A]

Yeah, I know. It doesn't roll back towards you.

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[F]

Yeah.

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Yes. This is what I'm saying, I guess they weren't able to reverse engineer our copyright technology. I don't remember how we did a grenade.

[D]

Everything slanted. I think we stood in the fox. Oh, God.

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[D]

I think in a hole, everybody. You get like a foxhole and throw it. I don't remember exactly. Yeah, well, I mean, what if you drop it in the hole you're already in, then you can't get out.

[A]

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[D]

I don't know.

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I don't think they have foxholes. They call them dragon holes over there.

[D]

I made a bad throw once.

[A]

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[D]

Yeah, my left hand and I.

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[A]

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I know we already talked about that. Were you here?

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Yeah.

[A]

In fact.

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You have to.

[D]

Hey, Gerald. That's his brother in law you're talking to about.

[A]

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What? Backwards inbred? What is this? Somalia?

[D]

Where am I?

[A]

Which brings us to Somalia. Let me provide some context first and if you ever went to go see any of the stand up shows, I had a long, long bit on this. Do you remember when President Trump called Haiti, if you have kids, they shouldn't be watching. President Trump called Haiti a shithole. And all of a sudden those on the left, including like Conan o', Brien, they were talking about how it was the world's most beautiful country. You shouldn't say shithole. Remember that. You can't believe that you would say shithole. I thought it was appropriate. I support it then and I support it now. Now I'm going to play you President Trump's latest rant. And I don't think this is something that you could have pictured maybe five years ago. So I consider it a win and I'm here for it.

[E]

Millions ripped off that state for billions of dollars. Billions every year, billions of dollars. And they contribute nothing. The Welfare is like 88%. They contribute nothing. I don't want them in our country. I'll be honest with you. Okay, Somebody say, oh, that's not politically correct. I don't care. I don't want them in our country. Their country is no good for a reason. Their country stinks and we don't want them in our country. I can say that about other countries, too. I can say it about other countries too. We don't want them to help. We got to, we have to rebuild our country. You know, our country is at a tipping point. We could go bad. We're at a tipping point. I don't know if people mind me saying that, but I'm saying it. We could go one way or the other and we're going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country. Ilhan Omar is garbage. She's garbage. Her friends are garbage. These aren't people that work. These aren't people that say, let's go, come on, let's make this place great. These are people that do nothing but complain. They complain and from where they came from, they got nothing. You know, they came from paradise and they said, this isn't paradise. But when they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don't want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.

Thank you very much.

[A]

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[D]

That'd be the most boring gay sex of all time. That guy's so boring.

[A]

Discuss fiscal policy. Yeah.

[D]

How do you like compound interest?

[A]

Josh, you don't have to divide these legs and find a dividend. I don't.

[E]

I don't know.

[F]

I don't know.

[A]

I do, I do think he was very. I will say this for as much as we called out President Trump for being inarticulate yesterday saying, oh, the inflation crisis, the cost, it's a leftist hoax. You know, I know what he's trying to say. Same thing with the Epstein folders saying, you know, it's a Democrat hoax. What he means is them implying that he's in there. He nailed this one. Yeah, he nailed this one. Where he didn't just say Somalis need to go. He said they come from hell. They come here and they complain and they bitch. If you're just going to come here and complain and bitch, then go back and make that place better. Yep. Race didn't enter into the equation objectively. Somalia is a hell hole and anyone coming from there shouldn't wave its flag if they're grateful to be here. I don't think, I don't think he could have. In his Trump way, I don't think he could have said it better. Yeah. And they don't come here and work to make it better. That's what he said. They don't come here and go, hey, let's go, let's make this place better. No, they just complain, right? Yeah. I mean, that's the attitude we want people to have. Get here, work to make it better. Yep. Yeah, perfect. And last night, the White house released a four page memo detailing an immigration pause from 19 countries. 19 countries. You can check the references link in the description. So the DHS secretary, Kirsty Noem, Kristi Noem, sorry, they got a thing about that. Met with President Trump and Recommended some additional countries to be added to the list. She said. I just met with President Trump. I am recommending a full travel ban on every damn country that's been flooding our nation with killers, leeches and entitlement junkies. Our forefathers built this nation on blood, sweat and the unyielding love of freedom. Not for foreign invaders to slaughter our heroes, suck dry our hard earned tax dollars or snatch the benefits owed to Americans. We don't want them. Not one. Yeah, and she shot a dog.

[D]

Yeah, I was gonna say it's mostly dog breeds.

[A]

Yeah, see when I was going. Go on, get. I never you anyway.

Now dance.

She seems to enjoy it.

[D]

I'm going to give you to the.

[A]

Count of 10 to get your low down butt sniffing carcass out my door.

To drag your ass on the carpet out my door.

[D]

No good yellow lab.

[A]

No good yellow lab. Golden doodle, mixed breed out my door.

You know what? I believe you.

But my shot collar don't.

[D]

Maybe I'm off my leash, but I believe you.

[A]

That's why I'm gonna give you four treats.

Angels with filthy mutts. It's just when you hit the pressure valve every now and then. So this was articulated really? Now I'm picturing a golden retriev. I yell at an angels with filthy soul.

[D]

Roll over and tell me you love me.

[A]

I'm over the moon for you. Oh yeah, you love me.

[D]

And you was licking my brother.

[A]

He was here. You was humping with your brother.

I saw the litter.

[D]

You was humping everyone.

[A]

Spot.

[D]

Bingo.

[A]

Rocky.

Rover with the gimpy leg.

Oh, it's alright.

Okay, all right, okay, that's enough. Dog themed Home alone. That's not exactly made it our own homeward bound alone.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, all right, okay. So the reaction, the reaction to what was articulated perfectly. Let me ask you this. If you disagree with this.

With which part do you disagree and which part is racist? This is talking about people from countries and their behavior and by the way, what they bring to the country versus what they take. Tell me what is morally wrong with this and then please wag your finger at every other nation, including, by the way, some of the Nordic nations that you love to praise, including, by the way, some of the more socialist, some of the more centrally planned economies who are far more stringent on who can come in and what is required to benefit from their social safety nets. Wag your finger there. Tell me what you. You can comment, tell me what you think is wrong. I can tell you what the leftist rags thought was wrong. This comes from the New York Times. They wrote this even for Mr. Trump, who has a long history of insulting black people, particularly. Particularly those from African countries. I mean, I guess you mean, like.

[D]

So you mean African people?

[A]

Yeah. You mean. Not. You don't include, like, the Caribbean island people. Like, so pretty much everyone but Jamaica and kind of Trinidad and. Or Tobago. Like, he likes islands. Yeah, some of them. Particularly those from African countries. His outburst was shocking in its unapologetic bigotry. Oh, that's what we're going with. Not racist bigotry. And it comes as he started a new ICE operation targeting Somalis in the Minneapolis St. Paul region.

Nice. We're saying the same thing. At least that last part. This comes from the New York Times last week. Over the last five years, law enforcement officials say fraud took root in pockets of Minnesota's Somali diaspora as scores of individuals made small fortunes by setting up companies that build state agencies for millions of dollars worth of social services that were never provided.

[D]

Oh, well, there's that also.

[A]

I mean, he just shouldn't address it.

[D]

I like how they said scores of individuals. They have to use the word individuals so they can make it sound like it's not a whole culture, it's individuals.

[A]

Right.

[D]

I mean, it's scores of them. Which is another way of saying more than 20.

[A]

Yeah, it's another way of saying we apply identity politics when we want to tell you that this whole group is good and you can't discriminate against them. But then when it's scores of them, groups of them, it's just groups of individuals who aren't acting in concert. By the way, Somali concerts suck.

[D]

What do they do?

[A]

It's just like two guys with a recorder, one with an oboe, and they're just, you know, inbreeding. Oh, on stage. Yeah. That's their only look. It's their only card. Like, that's their gimmick, and that's all they have, their version of Onlyfans. Yeah.

Brooklyn dad wrote Trump.

Speaking about Somalians here is the most racist president we have ever had. He doesn't talk like this about white immigrants from Denmark, Sweden, South Africa, but black and brown people. He can't even hide his hatred anymore.

[D]

Didn't like, I don't know, 15 or 20 presidents own slaves.

[A]

Yeah, that's kind of.

[D]

Is that. We're just gonna forget about those also. They're on our money.

[A]

How about this? This is also something that's kind of big a important. First off, people from Denmark, Sweden, South Africa, they don't tend to be a net drain on the taxpayer. What's kind of surprising, I've talked about this quite a bit, is if you take the Danish. You take some Danish people from Denmark and you bring them to the States, sure, they have a higher quality of life in Denmark than the average American. That's because obviously we have people from all different races, stripes, creeds, and much larger populations. There's a bigger wealth gap. Danes have a 50% higher quality of life in the United States than in Denmark. Swedes in America have a 50% higher quality of life than Swedes in Sweden. Also, these people wave the flag and they're happy to be here. Also, one other thing, too. Denmark, Sweden.

There a lot of slavery there. Because there still is in places like Somalia. I mean, if we're just applying the standard, I would think that would bother you more than Donald Trump calling out these places that still practice slavery, a lot of them as hellholes. Polls. What's offensive about that? Didn't you say that the United States was hell on earth because at one point in time we practice slavery along with the rest of the world? Well, what about the countries that still practice it?

[D]

In the countries like Denmark and Sweden, people aren't leaving.

[A]

Right.

[D]

I mean, sure, there's some immigrants, they want to come here for a better opportunity, but that's because they already have some kind of business or some kind of an endeavor that they're working on and they want to come to the. To the States. Yeah, they figured out. They figured out things in their country. They figured out things like, you know, having sex with people that you're not related to.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. That's a big thing.

[D]

Yeah, it's good for your brain.

[A]

It's a big. It's good for your brain. You feel better. You have more pep in your step when you're not inbred and your feet aren't slippers. But here's something else that people need to take into account. People coming from Denmark, Sweden, and yeah, they do have more, you know, more sort of social safety nets, if you want to talk about it that way. So they're leaving that, which usually means they're leaving the security of a more centrally planned economy for opportunity in the United States. So often these people are owners, they're business owners, they're entrepreneurs who. Whereas someone coming from Somalia, they're leaving certain death for free stuff. They already have free stuff in Denmark, in Sweden, countries like that. They already have free stuff in a lot of these European countries. They're saying, yeah, you know, What? The free stuff doesn't work for me. I want to go to the United States because I actually want to reap the fruits of my labor. Really. That's what it is. Dr. Alison Wilts wrote about President Trump's awesome rant targeting people they suspect are Somali means ICE will be racially profiling black Americans. Let me be clear here. I'm gonna be honest with you. It's pretty hard for me to tell, like, Koreans and Japanese apart. I'm not going to lie.

Like, same thing with Laotian, Cambodian. They can kind of be the same. I probably would be the same with, like, people from the Democratic Republic of Congo versus the other Congo one. But no one's going to be mistaking Michael B. Jordan for a Somali. Like, they're very easily identifiable, often because. And not because of their race, to be clear, because of the hardcore ugliness due to generations of inbreeding. Right. Like, half. Half of Somalis. Right. That's why they have the, the weird look and the foot and they're. And they're malnourished. It's pretty easily identifiable. Like, we could. We should do that as a new game. Spot the Somali.

[D]

Oh, that would be a fun game.

[A]

Easy. I might win that one. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Maybe they trick us with a white Somalian.

[A]

No, no, I don't think there. I think. I don't think there was one.

[D]

There's also the fact that, you know, ICE is not just, you know, hanging out, waiting for black or now Hispanic people. They're not just waiting for a certain profile of person.

[E]

Right.

[D]

To be walking around and then tackle them. They. They have criminal histories.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

They go to a place where this person works and then, oh, what do you know? The Somali restaurant who serves only Somali food has a bunch of Somalis working in the kitchen and, oh, well, look at that. We just won the jackpot.

[A]

We're gonna take you out. Racially profiling in the ICE truck. And, you know, while I'm here, I'll have the. The number two, the sandbowl and well water. Get that to go.

[D]

Yes, I'll take the UN bag of rice.

[A]

Yes, exactly. I'll take the half eaten MRE that someone left Ben Stiller wrote on X. Somalis are not garbage. Immigrants and refugees from anywhere are people like you and me. They should not be demonized. He didn't demonize people. He demonized the country. He demonized what they practice in their country, and he demonized people who come here and engage in, Demand that we engage in or continue said practices. He's demonizing behavior.

[D]

He also demonized one person.

[A]

Right.

[D]

He said Elon Omar is garbage.

[A]

Right?

[D]

That's one person. And her friend who's called him a Nazi.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Someone who's called him a fascist. Someone said, we have to fight him. We have to get him out of office. We have to do everything we can. Someone who wouldn't condemn Charlie Kirk's murder. Somebody who's a piece of shit. She's garbage.

[A]

She is. She's garbage.

[D]

That's the one person he called garbage. Is garbage.

[A]

She's brother marrying garbage. And she has said that she is here to represent Somalia. We should have no representatives of any other country ever in our halls of government. How about that? This isn't the UN you are elected to represent the American people. And no, that does not mean an enclave of vitamin D deficient Somalis in St. Paul. By the way, Ben Stiller talking about. He said there's more to it. He said this country is built on the backs of people who have come from other places. There's that tired old trope. It's what our country is all about. By the way, got a good brain. Yeah.

Stiller lives in Chappaqua, New York, which is 74% white. Only 1% born in Africa. Well, he doesn't want to be around them. No, no. Yeah. It's for you. Yeah. He thinks everybody else should be just like Jon Stewart yesterday. Yeah. And by the way, there's a very big difference, too. And we're even talking about. No one is talking about black Americans who live in your neighborhood. No one is talking about people who've been a part of the American fabric for a very long time. I mean, you can say what you want about black Americans and there's a crime problem. And you can say what you want about the racial division that's been stoked by people like Barack Obama. It's worse than ever in my lifetime. For more proof, go see black and white and the gray issues and some of the entitlement. Right. The mindset. But black Americans are often, and I would even say black Democrats, much more patriotic, by and large, than white liberals in this country.

[D]

I'd agree with that.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

They have a better sense of community.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. They definitely have that. Yeah.

[D]

They also have.

[A]

God, that's true. Somalis, not so much. Somalis, not so much. They just have. Well, they just have the warm embrace of their sibling. And now the Minneapolis mayor, Remember the guy who was kneeling for Black Lives Matter with a mask on? George Floyd casket. Yeah. George Floyd's casket. He knelt and cried. Did his casket have spinners? I don't think so. We'll get back to so Mayor Frey promised to protect the Somali community against federal agents. And he began speaking in tongues mid speech. I'm sorry. Somalian Good afternoon. My name is Jacob Fry.

[D]

Fry.

[A]

I'm the mayor of Minneapolis and we are here to respond to a number of credible reports from several media.

[B]

Fry.

[D]

That there are as many as 100.

[A]

Federal agents that will be deployed to the Twin Cities with a specific focus.

[D]

On targeting our Somali community.

[B]

To our Somali community.

[A]

Daman Shabka, Somalia Kunul, Minnesota Garahan Minneapolis Wan Kuji Janilahai Juan Poo Gareb Tagamhan.

[D]

Audio's missing out on that one.

[A]

For those of you who still listen to this on audio only, for the love of God, why you're missing everything. And for those of you going Are those the real captions? I am assuming that you are an adult.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Also.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[D]

Well, Media Matters is already documenting it.

[A]

You know, maybe not the we are the furthest right wing and least accurate show in news and entertainment according to to that study.

[D]

Because of that.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

It is not true that.

[D]

Yes. By the way, they didn't do it everywhere.

[A]

I can see that is a write up in the New York Times looking bad. Oh, I know. Like, then they played a clip and the subtitle said I bang my brother on the stairs. I bang my brother everywhere. When in fact Mayor Fry was saying that he appreciated the Somali community. Hey, you know, we appreciate you and we know that you appreciate us because we know that, you know, for Christmas you're going to be gifting Rumble Premium. You're going to be gifting Mug club to your loved ones. Otherwise, this show will no longer exist in the new year. So we know you're going to be doing that. We appreciate it. But we don't ask that you just throw us a tip. We appreciate you. So we give you just the tips.

Reverse Super Chat. The folks at Blackout Coffee are giving back 50 free rumble premium subscriptions. Just gift it in the chat. And by the way, you can go to blackout coffee.com/crowder. Use the promo code CROWDER for 20 off your first order the strange animal brew. I spent a lot of time with this, blended it. I was talking with the owner of the company. Took a long time to do and it will remain unchanged regardless of supply issues that right now are kind of touch and go. If you're gifted a sub, hey, mention me on X or Instagram again. Go to blackout coffee.com. let me know what you think of the blend. It is my favorite. That's why I made it do it. That's why I drank it. Go there now. Yeah, drink it. Can we do this in Somali? Somalian. Somali is the person. Somalian. This has been reverse super chat. Somalian.

All right.

It'S time for Sabrina. Sabrina the teenage hunter.

[D]

No, wrong name. It's a different male occupation.

[A]

Oh, she's Sabrina. Sabrina Carpenter.

[D]

Not to be confused with Sabrina Welder.

[A]

She practices. She. She practices the carpentry every fortnight. Oh, well, she has decided to wait in. Sabrina Carpenter has decided to wade into the immigration debate. Guess how this goes. It's time for entertainment minute.

I just forgot. We need to update that. Remember when Caitlyn Jenner was a thing? I know, right?

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

People just don't realize how bad it can get and how bad it got. Yeah, well, your Pops Crowder does because he had to dress Caitlyn Jenner. Yeah, he did.

[D]

There's a restaurant in Texas that recently got in trouble because they had their restrooms were Bruce Jenner for the men and Caitlyn Jenner for the women.

[E]

I love it.

[A]

You know what, though? I bet you he would find that funny. Yeah, definitely. So, you know, not as bad as the new breed of tranny. The White House, along with that awesome rant speech that you just saw from Donald Trump, they just released a new video are on the topic of deportations and it featured Sabrina Carpenter's song Juno. And I am not super familiar with the song, but I do like the video.

[B]

Have you ever tried this one? Have you ever tried this one?

[C]

Have you ever tried this one?

[A]

Yeah, I didn't.

[D]

I don't listen to Sabrina Carpenter, but.

[A]

I like that it was a little catchy. Yeah, that after the Franklin the turtle image, it's just. I'm. I'm enjoying it. Doesn't mean that it should be the only thing you guys need to deal with the issues that really are affecting people. But, you know, a little bit of trolling.

[D]

Do you have a comedy team over there?

[A]

I think so.

[D]

Must I want to know who's on that date? They probably won't out themselves.

[A]

No, they definitely wouldn't.

[D]

No, that's anonymous.

[A]

The caption said it was. Sorry. Yeah, this is the caption. It read, have you ever tried this one? Bye bye now. Carpenter was not happy about it. Surprise. She wrote on X. This video is evil and disgusting. Do not ever involve me or my music to benefit your inhumane agenda.

Okay, I guess I don't understand how the Internet works. It's true. These artists. So the White House fired back and they wrote. Here's a short and sweet message for Serena Carpenter. We won't apologize for deporting dangerous criminal illegal murderers, rapists and pedophiles from our country. Anyone who would defend these six these sick monsters must be stupid. Or is it slow? That was pretty fun. Now they did recut the piece anyway With a song that is in public domain. Take you out of the country, take you far far away.

Overstate visas and criminals. I don't care if you ever come back. So it's get the out of my country if you self deport that is great. Cause it's 1, 2, 3 ICE agents at your door today.

It's fun and educational. I think so. And it's royalty free and it's American. Yeah.

[D]

Seventh inning arrest.

[A]

What is this, a Dodgers game? Deport.

[D]

Nice one, Billy.

[A]

So here, I'm gonna rapid fire this for you and please do check the links in the description. But she said this is. This is evil and inhumane. Talking about the video deporting hardened violent criminals. Well, let me ask you, which one of these is inhumane? Is it the arresting, the action of arresting, deporting illegals that's evil and inhumane? Or is evil and inhumane? Would that be like murdering a nursing student who is jogging Lake and Riley? Or raping and murdering a mother of five? Rachel Moran? Or strangling a teenager to death? Jocelyn Nungray. Or murdering a woman, beheading her, stuffing her in a barrel. Megan Boss, raping, murdering an autistic woman. Kayla HAMILTON, Murdering a 15 year old trying to stop the rape of his mother. That was Louis Jackson Nanez Lopez, I believe. Murdering two teens after drinking and driving. Paula Sokin and Anya Varfolomiev. These are. I've never said that name. Murdering and then beheading a motel owner. Remember that one after just a basic dispute. Chandra Nagamalaia, murdering three. Three people. Remember this one? Murdering three people after making an illegal U turn in a semi truck. That was a big deal. Is that evil? How about trafficking hundreds of thousands of illegal minors into our country, leading to and contributing as well to the most amount of slaves ever in human history. Or how about we soften it? Just stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from Minnesota taxpayers through fraud which was funded by terrorists. Al Shabaab. How about costing American taxpayers 150 to 450 billion dollars annually? Is that evil? Is that evil and wrong and disgusting? Or deporting said people? Or is disgusting and wrong. Maybe just your cringy non sexual ASMR video.

[C]

Wow.

I'd like to request a song in my bed.

[F]

Carpenter.

[A]

I don't know the asmr. I don't get it. I don't either. I don't know if that's meant to be sexual.

[D]

I don't think so. I think it's like a sensory sensation for, I don't know, for autistic people or something. I don't really know how it works.

[A]

Well, then why does she have to order from her bed?

[D]

I think. Well, I think she's making it sexual. Yeah, she's a very. She makes herself very sexual. She doesn't wear pants ever, I think. I don't know any of her songs, but I know who she is. She's all over TV and media and she's like, you know, three foot tall and almost naked all the time.

[A]

Well, with her it could be, I guess it's Rosh Hashanah every day. And it can be if you keep the spirit of Rosh Hashanah in your heart all year round. Here's the thing. Celebrities, we know this, they have no idea what they're talking about. And they're so tone deaf that for a long time they were able to live in this echo chamber and no one questioned them on it. The world has become a smaller place. The world has become a smaller place largely because of the Internet, right? You can play Mortal Kombat with your friend in Vietnam. Name that movie. That was from yesterday too. So people share a lot more in common. Like there are people in Iraq right now who are watching the same gun tube videos, the same gun videos on YouTube that you are. Think about that. And the world has become a smaller place as far as feedback directly to your representatives politically, where they actually have to. They have to accommodate, they have to adapt. And the world is a smaller place with celebrities where once upon a time they do a junket, they'd be on a red carpet or they'd be on a show, they'd say something so asinine that you can't even figure out where they got it and they just move on with their day. Now they get to hear from you. I remember this with Tom Hanks. I remember, I think it was on Morning Joe.

At msnbc. I don't want to be mistaken. And he said, I'm pretty close to quoting that. Well, we were roped into. Or we went into World War II based on jingoism and racism. And no one at that desk just thought to Say what? But now all of you can say, huh?

[D]

What?

[A]

And you can send her a list of the violent, hardened criminals who've been deported. What happened with MeToo? What happened to MeToo when it's actual rape from people who have no business being here. So maybe sit this one out and be grateful for the exposure of your mediocre song. How about that? Oh, hey.

[D]

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[A]

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[C]

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[D]

Forget that.

[C]

Aunt Liz will be jealous.

[A]

Sounds like my family drama.

[C]

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So, last month I traveled to Oklahoma University for the latest installments of Change My Mind, where I tackled two new topics. Deporting all illegals and canceling snap. You can find those videos in the description. But today I have a bonus piece of content. And I say bonus because it was cut short due to some behind the scenes security issues we had to deal with and after which I had to be escorted. But it also showcases a very interesting conversation with, I will say, a kind and thoughtful student about what it means to actually be an American. Because that's something we gloss past when we're talking about immigration and a lot of policies. What is it that makes one American? And can someone be more American or less? Leave your thoughts in the comments below and enjoy this bonus installment of Change My Mind. Where, spoiler I live at the end.

[F]

What's your name, by the way?

[B]

I'm Gabriel.

[A]

Gabriel. Nice.

[F]

Gabriel. Sorry.

[B]

No, you're so.

[F]

I got dry mouth talking all day, so after this.

[B]

No, I get it. Y' all been having a good time.

[A]

Yeah, it's been nice. Yeah.

[B]

Like ou.

[F]

It's funny, my only experience with OU was in jiu jitsu and a guy who was All American, I think he was actually national champion, NCAA champion. Suplexed me and concussed me. He was. There are levels to this. Oh, did you?

[B]

Yeah, for like 10 years.

[F]

I mean, I know Oklahoma State is the school, but this. This guy was awesome. So I was like, I hate all you, but. Yeah, no, it's. My brother has lived in Oklahoma, so.

[B]

Oh, that's cool.

[F]

How long have you been going here?

[B]

This is my third year. Okay. I've lived in Norman my entire life.

[F]

Okay. What are you studying?

[B]

Industrial engineering.

[F]

Oh, there you go. Well, that'll probably be relevant to the H1B conversation because. Yeah, it's going to be a little competitive for you.

[B]

I want to go to grad school because I just really enjoy research and all that stuff, and so. Yeah, that's a big conversation. I can get a lot of foreign Nazis coming here. Yeah.

[F]

Are we good?

[A]

Okay.

[F]

All right.

Yeah, we've talked about that quite a bit. We can. We can touch on that too, if you want to just kind of. It's. It's. I've got to imagine. How old are you?

[B]

I'm 19.

[A]

19.

[F]

Yeah. Got to Be daunting kind of looking at when people talk about boomers. Not really fully appreciate appreciating it. And I go, sure. People can make better financial decisions. And I think a lot of young people don't, but they don't really take into account account the competitive nature of the job marketplace. It's quite a bit different from what.

[B]

Especially right now. I mean, I have a lot of friends. Just last night I was with a couple seniors that are graduating this semester and just discussing the job market in general.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Difficult right now.

[F]

I can only imagine. Well, I didn't run into that because I was an idiot who they said, world needs gravediggers too. And then I did stand up comedy and went about it the other way. I did two semesters of college, but.

[A]

Well, you wrestled.

[F]

So did you.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Do they call you like the Griffin? Like, here comes the Griffin?

[B]

No, they didn't do all that. I mean, you know how to wrestling. It's a little less showmanship, like, than.

[F]

Yeah, yeah. They don't like the showboat often. I know in wrestling you get the nickname you don't want.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

So, yeah.

[B]

For whatever reason, my entire high school team called me Gabby. Like, as in Gabrielle. Yeah.

[F]

And if you show that you don't like it, that's what you.

[B]

That's what I got for two years.

[F]

Like, we have a guy here, I don't know, he's a, you know, former special Forces, but he. He loves filet, so I call him Tenderloin.

[B]

And he hates it, but that's just what it is.

[F]

I'm like, dude, it's an ironically scary nickname because people like Tenderloin is too. That's too soft. He must be crazy. But.

[B]

All right.

[F]

Well, Gabriel, I don't know how familiar you are at all with kind of the series, if at all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

So, you know, I just always try and clarify with people what it's not. Because this was started, you know, 10 years ago, close to it. Before the kind of debate bro culture and before YouTube shorts was a thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

It's not designed to be. Gotcha. Score points. Dunk. We really do try and have discussions and good fit, even on controversial topics. Hopefully proving that we can have them even if we disagree. And that being said, today obviously is a hot button issue. We've been talking about it quite a bit. I believe that in the year 2025, certainly where we find ourselves at this impasse with our immigration issues. Yeah. Deport all illegal aliens. And if you disagree with that, you're. You're More than welcome to change my mind.

[B]

To be clear, is that black and white and sort of like is that your entire point of view or is it more nuanced? Do you have more.

[F]

Well, obviously it's more nuanced on a sign, but figured that's the starting point. Okay, yeah, that's the starting point. I think we've tried it the other way forever going back to, I mean well before it, but Reagan granting amnesty to 3 million. The numbers increased by 450% since then we've been lenient. The cost cost is astronomical. Crime in many of the sanctuary cities is out of control. And I also think look a big difference now considering the, the number, the sheer influx in the last decade. I think Americans have the right to want to preserve a culture here where they're footing the bill as taxpayers to feel like strangers in their own town where they don't have common language, common culture, common values.

[A]

So all of that.

[F]

Yeah, I think starting off point is we're going to be hardline on it.

[B]

Okay, well thanks for sharing that with me. I guess immediately. What do you see as the immediate cost of immigration? You bring up how it can ask the American taxpayer. What's your opinion on that?

[F]

So well here and also make. So you don't take my word for it. You can take that to check any references because I know especially at school people.

[B]

I'm just talking about grad school references.

[F]

Yes, yeah. And we do that every day on the show by the way because it really bothers me when people just make claims like, well, where'd you get that, my brother? So it costs, you know, the estimate is 150 billion to $450 billion a year. Taxpayers, people say, well, some. I'm not saying that no illegal aliens pay taxes. That's not what I'm saying. The offset is about 17%. It offsets. So including the number of people who pay taxes, all but the total number is 150 to 450 billion dollars. That's significant. The cost of deporting illegal aliens. If we were to take the high number of in the last four years number is probably closer to 15 million. Let's call it 12 million. But if we were to deport 20 million illegal aliens right now costs $17,000 per illegal alien. These are estimates. It cost you about 300 something. Sorry, billion. If I said million, I meant billion. In all these instances, 300 something billion dollars, 340 billion, $360 billion to report them. You end up effectively saving money within the year. Call it a Year and a half.

[B]

So that's including making ICE the largest.

[F]

Federally funded law enforcement organization. You can put that in your car, but you can keep it. Yeah, we have plenty. Yes. That's including all of it. Yep.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

That's including self. The cost of self deportations as well, versus having to chase people down and deport them. All of it.

[B]

Okay. So I mean, with the fact that. I mean, I'm not entirely educated on the exact statistics. I mean, though we all understand that statistics like anything you can use to lie.

[F]

Sure.

[B]

Not that you're doing that, just that.

[E]

No, I agree.

[B]

Be cognizant of the type of statistics that we're quoting and all those sorts of things. Yes, but the IRS allows you to pay taxes without a ssn, a Social Security number. And for example, they want you to. They'll track you down even if you. I mean, not. You know what I mean?

[F]

Well, they'll track you down. They'll go up here, Hiney with a sigmoidoscope. In my case they use an IMAX wide angle lens.

[B]

Oh, that's right. You're from Canada.

[F]

I born in Detroit, but yeah. Spent a lot of time in Canada.

[B]

Okay. So I'm just vaguely remembering things.

[F]

I'm ashamed of it. It's a horrible place.

[B]

I don't know much about it. I've never been. Honestly, you're better off.

[F]

Okay. But yeah. So the irs, you're saying they can track you whether you have a Social Security number or not.

[B]

Okay. So you're of the opinion with. Back it up. That there are just millions of illegal aliens not paying taxes?

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

I suppose. Could you inform me as to why?

[F]

Well, the numbers bear it out. And here's the other problem.

[B]

It actually isn't full of how those things were.

[F]

Yeah. So again, this is. And the reason this really sticks in my mind is because when I did a change of mind on building the wall a long time ago, the number was about 116 billion per year. The lowest estimate you'll find is 150 billion. People say sales tax. So do Americans pay sales tax. But accounting for the income revenue that we actually see having to. And here's also the problem too.

[A]

Right.

[F]

Like you said, these have to be. That's why I give you a pretty wide range.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Because when you're dealing with people who are not only not on the books, but are incentivized to stay off the books, and even more, the employers are incentivized to keep them off the books as a result of policy. It's difficult to track, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone, say that it's a net benefit to the American taxpayer. Illegal aliens.

[B]

Okay, that's a fair point. And you. You also bring up the fact that American culture, that this. We bring in all these illegal immigrants.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

And it sort of devalues American culture.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you think that American, I mean, you talked about Ronald Reagan earlier. You've heard his quote that the only thing that defines an American is a willingness to come to this country and anybody can become an American could become an American.

[F]

Yeah, that's the important part of that quote.

[B]

So you think definitionally what becomes an American is assimilation to our culture.

[F]

So, yeah, I think that if I see someone who's here, who's sending money. Money back to the country they claim to flee, and they don't speak the common language, I view them as less American.

[B]

Okay, so you. I mean, because most of those people are supporting their parents, which is really common in a lot of other cultures. And you disagree with that.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[F]

Because again, we have to look out for the best interest of Americans. I don't know if you. I'm sure that you know this to some degree and you'll find out in the workforce, but a lot of Americans are struggling. There's over seven and a half million Americans, 7.4 depending on the year, looking for jobs. They're willing to do the jobs that are being imported at cheaper wages. They're struggling. A country needs to look out for the best interests of its citizens, as all of these other countries do. The immigration laws are far more harsh in Mexico, far more harsh. For example, in Japan and Korea and even many South American countries. India had an official language being English, one of many before the United States. So, yeah, that's not a benefit to the American taxpayer. Someone coming here working a job that an American would do to send money to another country is not something that's not building a country. That's taking from. That's my opinion.

[B]

Well, I mean, you bring up Japan and Korea, and those are really great examples of extremely xenophobic countries that dislike.

[F]

People that have been not considered nationalists, including each other.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's. Yeah, exactly. Koreans hate Japan.

[F]

But I didn't just bring them up. I bring up Mexico. Yeah, I can't own waterfront property in Mexico if I go there legally. Yes, I can't protest.

[B]

The reason I bring up those two, and you could include Mexico as well, is I think the United States is distinctively better because we have so many people not from this country, working within it, we have greater ideas. For example, I said that I was interested in graduate school and that I've spoken with a lot of those people. A lot of graduate students aren't from this country.

[F]

Sure.

[B]

And without question, that makes every single graduate program with non American in it better for it because they have to be so much better than us to get into these programs. Not always in my experience, which is not always relative to.

[F]

And there are also a lot of people who are, you know, there are these degree mills. India is largely the epicenter of this where there are fraudulent degrees and there are placing firms that take money off the top and they come in, they're not any more qualified, they're not any more skilled. I have no problem with someone coming to this country legally and wanting to pursue an education and becoming an American American. We have those processes that exist.

But that's not all. The immigrants that we're seeing right now. An issue for me, when you have a shared value system, we have a shared common language and a shared, a shared specific value in contributing and building a country. So you say a lot of different points of view. Yeah. Let's take for example, like when people think immigrants, they'll often think like, like Ellis island, you know, that's sort of like Italians and the Irish and they might have done disagreed. But the truth is people coming from Italy, Ireland, Germany, Poland, take your pick, they came here, right? Only a nickel in their pocket, at great risk to themselves, at no benefit. Matter of fact, they left often the creature comforts and sort of a social safety net in some cases of the previous country at risk to themselves. But the promise of freedom, that's the only thing promised here that wasn't promised anywhere else. The benefit was freedom. Not ebt, snot, not Social Security, not going into an emergency emergency room and not paying the bill. Not that there's a huge difference between immigrating pre welfare state and post welfare state. And so it needs to be the value of building and contributing to a country. And if people don't meet that criteria, they serve none of the American people's best interest.

[B]

Well, I mean you talk about coming here for EBT or other benefits and the simple fact is that a lot of these things existed. Talk about welfare state, you know. 19. Yeah, yeah. We still saw immigration throughout the 50s and 60s and it really hasn't become this hot and bush an issue until recently. And so what necessarily changed? And just to say more specifically that a lot of the people that come here to work jobs aren't getting from degree mills.

[F]

Some aren't. No, I know.

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

But there'd be no way of correcting it.

[B]

For example, a very good school that a lot of them. And graduate programs, at the very least, that are receiving doctorates here in this country, which is a large port. That's a great example of an industry which heavily relies on immigrants.

[F]

Which industry?

[B]

Graduate education.

[F]

Yeah, graduating education. So graduate education. Education at large, regardless of area of study.

[B]

I suppose I can only speak into engineering. Okay. Specifically industrial engineering. Okay. But we see a lot of immigration.

[F]

So you don't think there are enough Americans, Americans who could do those jobs capably, that we need to import them?

[B]

I don't know. But I know for a fact that if I get beat out for a spot in that education, it's not because I wasn't qualified, it's not because they were less qualified than me.

[F]

What if you get beat out in the job force just because someone will do it cheaper, like 30, 40% because they come from a third world country where that's acceptable to them?

[B]

Well, that's just capitalism for you, I suppose.

[F]

It's not, though.

[B]

You don't. You don't know.

[F]

It's not.

[B]

Okay, so what?

[F]

It's. It's not if someone is coming and they're sending their money back to a country that doesn't serve the American. No. Well, it does especially too. There'd be no way of verifying. Right, that's the issue. There's no way of verifying if it's legitimate. And I think we would agree, the employers who turn a blind eye. You've created a modern class of slave labor. You can go to neighborhoods here where you'll find 16 families living in a house taking a job that an American would do for much lower wages. A commission is taken off the top from one of these placement firms and Americans are out of work. You can't tell me that there aren't enough Americans who will do jobs in tech and Palo Alto or engineering. I know we have brilliant minds here. You seem to be one of them. And I guess the question would become what do you believe the criteria should be? Because now we've gone from. From illegal aliens. But I think this is a good conversation. What do you think the criteria should be for someone to be given that golden ticket of American citizenship or green card?

[B]

I think the idea of a golden ticket for Americans, I mean. Sorry, when I say that, I mean that American citizenship is such great ideal. It should be more accessible. And that's a large Issue, I feel, with a lot of the idea of illegal immigration is our broken immigration system. And I don't feel that that's necessarily a hot take.

[F]

You could say, no, I. Can you point me to any other example? Because I think we agree that it's an unbelievable. The citizenship or green card is a value. Right. You're saying golden ticket. I use that heights hyperbole.

[A]

But I think you agree with it.

[F]

Can you give me an example where something else that is intensely valuable, its value is maintained or increased by making it cheaper or available to all with lower standards. Where else do we do that?

[B]

That's a false equivalency. A citizenship has value because the people here make it great. And it's not a commodity that we're selling. So it doesn't have inherent value that you can trade for.

[F]

Does though, it has a lot of value. That's why people want to come here. So if you're the one who's holding this item in this case, it's obviously more nebulous. But a citizenship but something of value, what should the requirements be, considering that we have so many people here who also value it and want to remain in this country?

[B]

I'd like to agree with Ronald Reagan. The fact that the only thing that makes an American is a willingness to be American. Anybody you can come from any part of the world and become an American.

[F]

So what does that mean? What is it to become an American?

[B]

I suppose in my. In my opinion you could say that to become an American is just simply a willingness to make this country great.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

And a lot of immigrants have that. That's why they come here.

[F]

How does someone make this country great?

[B]

They improve itself through their communities, themselves, the country. Like when we talk about making America great as a very large.

[F]

No, I'm not talking about the slogan.

[B]

I, I'm not referencing that. I just mean in general, making a very large institution better. There's really no way to quantify that unless you want to get into like gdp. I mean, I mean, in terms of values and cultural systems, you can't quantify that.

[F]

Okay, well, how would I think. I think you can quantify it as far as net contributions versus net deductions. But as far as culturally, I've kind of put forth my position. Right. That's impressive. Improving the culture, shared values. It's why these people have left these countries. I believe these countries are inferior culturally. So what would your criteria. And this isn't a trick question, it's a real conversation that needs to take place.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

What is it to be an American. And how does an immigrant coming here, how do they make it better? Because I think that should be the criteria for who we accept. Do you make this country better? And if the answer is no, then I think you should make your country better. I think if for example, H1BS I think there's quite a bit in engineering, but I know a lot in tech. I think it's probably more heavily skewed tech, but quite a few Indian engineers, if they're so great and the most brilliant invest, why does India still look like India?

[B]

I mean you can. When you say look like India, what do you mean?

[F]

I mean a poor country, I mean a backwards country. I mean where people can't get access to basic health care, basic necessities, I mean starving, I mean diseases that we've eradicated here that they still suffer from. I mean hundreds of thousands of people dying from snake bites. That's not a joke.

[B]

No, I understand.

[F]

No, no, but literally it's a third world country. Why aren't the best and brightest turning India into America number two?

[B]

Well, a lot of those things when you talk about being a backwards country and a lot of the things they face because being so rural are more to do with cultural values and things that you place in to high regard that they don't. And so even the idea of a third world country, you know, comes from the Civil War, as I'm sure you know. And we use it these days to refer to anything that is less urbanized or less culturally. Sorry, like scientifically advanced, technologically advanced, sure. But a lot of these countries just, they have really strong programs and a lot of things that aren't focused on the things we Americans find valuable.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so why not? That's a great question. I'm not Indian, I wouldn't know or you know, any country. The point is that those people that come here and choose to make our country better rather than theirs, they might just hold values and things that we find value in rather than they.

[F]

Well, what's the benefit? Some do. A lot don't. And what would you say to the American? Well, these people come here, take a job, do it for a lower wage and they send the money back home to India, the country that they left. Because that's very common.

[B]

I mean you say a lot don't and just quick, a lot don't. We can't speak necessarily what any given immigrant believes or does not believe.

[F]

Well, okay, so in Texas, I'll just give you as an example and I've talked with Quite a few of these people. As a matter of fact, I did a talking with people which has, like, changed my mind, but I'm less likely to get shot where I just kind of walk and talk. And there were some Indian immigrants who were going to college, and I said, what do you like most about America? They said, opportunity and the money. And I said, great.

[A]

Cool.

[F]

Well, that's. That's tough. What do you like most about America? Ability to give money back home to my family. I said, what do you love most about America? They couldn't say anything. They could tell. They could read me a laundry list. What was great about India? And there are areas in Texas, obviously, particularly areas like in the Dallas area, a lot of Indian. Let me ask you, do the areas where Indian immigrants have come here are meaning they make up a majority of the neighborhood. Does it look more like America as we know it or less more like India?

[B]

I think the idea that we need to keep America sort of stagnant over time, that it can't change culturally is not to India.

[F]

That's my opinion. I think it's a bad thing.

[B]

Well, I mean, that's what makes America America.

[F]

Is that looking like India?

[B]

No, I mean, this idea of a melting pot, and some people disagree with that, but that's not necessarily.

[F]

It's a different, though, but it's a very different melting pot. Again, people from. From Ireland and England coming in, they weren't from different planets. When someone doesn't come from the same type of value system or even share the same language, and they're interested in using the gold, the milk and honey from this country to send back to said country they left. That's not the same thing. We can see examples, for example, those early immigrants, they weren't sending all their money back to Italy. Cuban Americans, these are actual asylum seekers. They won't send a dime back to Castro's Cuba.

[A]

Right.

[F]

It's not the same thing. I think a lot of people are not coming here to contribute, but to reap the benefits. And there's no regard for the American citizen.

[B]

So you think what qualifies an immigrant to have value is how culturally similar their previous country is to America? Or, I mean, we even.

[F]

I think it's. It should be factored in.

[B]

In.

[F]

In how much they build this country not take.

[B]

But that has nothing to do with how culturally similar. That's a very.

[F]

That's a. I would say it's a central tenant to American culture. When you had immigrants coming here and they were building the Empire State Building where They're eating their lunch boxes on the scaffold. And it still gives me vertigo when.

[A]

I see the pictures.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

And paying taxes, I think that's very different from someone coming here. And certainly the illegal aliens who don't pay taxes or the ones who don't. Not saying all, not all, not all. Or someone coming here collecting the money and sending it back to India or sending it back to Mexico or sending it back to Honduras. Insert country. I think it's very, very different. And you see with Cuban Americans, you see it with USSR expats who came here who were fleeing communism.

[B]

It's difficult to inherently say that sending money home was a bad thing when so often the federal government, because of our role in the national or the world stage gives millions or billions of dollars to foreign countries. It's just an individual portion of that. And I don't know that you necessarily or I, I can speak for myself specifically, would not give money back to my family if I were to make it up in a different country.

[A]

Sure.

[F]

But the policy should be a 50% remittance tax. Keep your money in America. If you love America, keep your money in America. Benefit the American citizen. Because again, we can't track it. We just know the net cost well versus the net contributions and that needs be to be taken to. What about a shared language? Got to speak English or no.

[B]

Really?

[F]

You don't agree with that?

[B]

No, none of that.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

So you don't have to contribute. You can send your money back home. You don't have to speak English. Tell me how any of this makes America better.

[B]

It would be. I think it would be smart if they were to learn English. It's just simple common sense. The majority language here is English. However, there's a difference between things that might be smart or common sense and things we can make legally enforceable. And that's when of those things. Same with sending money home or even having an American value system which you may define to be a sense of cultural norms. But regardless, there's a difference between things that you might find personally benefiting to you or the country as a whole and things that we can make legally responsible for.

[A]

Sure.

[F]

You could ensure that any and all retail customer service positions forward facing positions. English only English as I do in countries with official language.

[B]

Disservice to many of the communities where most.

[F]

But it would be a huge service to the United States community.

[B]

That ignores the fact that the United States community is made up of smaller communities.

[F]

No?

[B]

Yes. Definitionally. Yeah.

[F]

Well, you use the term melting pot. Which is a term that's. I'll use it for the nomenclature.

[B]

How can you distinguish United States culture from Oklahoma culture from Oklahoma City culture? Yeah, there are different sizes to it. And. And a lot of the smaller parts of this country don't speak English as their native language simply because a lot of them are immigrants. Second generation immigrants, third generation immigrants.

[F]

Yeah. And so why you just define the difference between national borders and state borders?

[B]

Yes, sir.

[D]

Right.

[F]

And a national border is a language. A national border is net contributions. A national border is. You keep your resources here in the. If you want to be a part of this nation, you place this nation before all others. That is a huge component of being American. I don't give a rat's ass what Ronald Reagan says in the way it's misinterpreted. He's saying, if you want to become an American. What does that mean? Let's look to the founding documents. You have no allegiance to any other nation before the United States. That means you don't. You don't send your money elsewhere. You don't have a sworn allegiance or an affinity for another nation above the United States. And we need to have a shared common culture.

[B]

Well, that's allusion to the founding doctrine documents.

[F]

I mean, so you think that America is stronger Because I don't want to get too far.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

If people don't speak the same language, if people send their. People coming here, don't learn English, send their money back to another country, you think that makes America great?

[A]

Because I just would.

[F]

Let's just agree.

[B]

Look, I don't think that inherently makes America better or worse. I think their contributions to the country can make this country better or worse. However, their cultural norms and values have no difference.

[F]

But what contributions?

[B]

Technological is a great example. I mean, that can speak through experience, but also just generally cultural. So much of American cuisine is made up of foreign cuisine.

[F]

Now, you're not going to get me on tandoori chicken, that that's the reason we need a bunch of third world immigrants who don't speak the language.

[B]

I'm not trying to just in the sense that there's so much of American culture that borrows from other cultures and we change it and we make it American. But we can't do that if we don't have immigrants. And I understand that's not what you're saying.

[A]

Sure you can. You can do it.

[F]

If you have a selective group of immigrants who improve America, who are a net benefit to America. We have 300, 333 and 50 million people in this country. And we are facing an insurmountable debt. We have far too many people, and by the way, not just immigrants. To be clear, I also think we should cut SNAP in these welfare states for Americans who are abusing the system. But the difference is we have the ability to set criteria for people coming into this country. And I think it needs to start with what, sir? The interest of the American people. And I think the left, the reason they're losing and the reason that Gen Z men are veering away from them is because they're not able to define what it is to be American.

[B]

Well, I mean, let's be clear that you're not arguing the left at large in this situation.

[F]

No, I'm telling you. But I'm saying I am willing to state my claim on this is important. I think it's important to a lot of Americans. And we used to just talk about, hey, you know, cool, let's make it easier to immigrate here. I don't think so. I think it's very valuable. I think we should only take the best and the brightest. And I think we should have criteria that establishes this is what's expected of you. Good example, because I know you're a very smart guy. You've heard the term evangelize, of course. So a lot of. And it pisses me off because a lot of Christians go like, I'm evangelizing.

[A]

Have you heard the good news?

[F]

Jesus loves you. It's like evangelize, I believe, comes from the word evangeline. And so what this meant is let's say there's a new Caesar and they would actually send out people to evangelize. And what that included was, hey, here's the good news. Your new Caesar is benevolent. He's going to provide ABC xyz. Here's the flip side.

[A]

Here are the expectations.

[F]

Right?

[A]

Here's what you are expected to contribute.

[F]

That's what evangelizing was, letting people know, hey, this is the new program and these are the benefits.

[B]

Those words evolve over time, and we.

[F]

Shouldn'T necessarily use that as an example. That's how all nations. Oh, take a walk. Okay.

[A]

All right. Sorry.

[F]

It means that there's. Means there's something for you. Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

[B]

It's nice to meet you.

[A]

Nice you to meet.

[F]

To meet you, sir.

[A]

All right. Okay.

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[F]

Sketch.

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