Who is the Real Myron Gaines | Ash Wednesday

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Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder

Episode: Who is the Real Myron Gaines | Ash Wednesday

Date: November 5, 2025
Host: Steven Crowder
Guest: Myron Gaines (Fresh & Fit Podcast)
[Note: This summary includes explicit and controversial language and viewpoints that reflect the original tone and content. Proceed with discretion.]

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Episode Overview

This episode brings on Myron Gaines, co-host of "Fresh & Fit," for an unfiltered discussion about his controversial views on race, gender relations, male self-improvement, and dating culture. The discussion dives candidly into the ideologies that have gained both Gaines and "Fresh & Fit" notoriety, especially regarding masculinity, modern relationships, and cultural expectations. The conversation is highly politically incorrect, often provocative, and peppered with humor and banter between the host, guest, and co-host Gerald.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Identity and Background

• Myron clarifies his background: born in the US to Sudanese immigrants, raised in a nuclear family with traditional values ([01:24]).
• There’s playful banter about racial and cultural stereotypes, with Myron distinguishing himself from Somalians and Ethiopians in both jest and stereotype ([01:54]).

2. Public Persona and Misconceptions

• Myron openly lists the views for which he is criticized, often using intentionally offensive, hyperbolic statements to parody both his detractors and himself.
  • Notable: "I think women are stupid and need to be back in the kitchen and second-class citizens. I think men are better than women." ([03:07])
• Crowder deconstructs how authenticity in public figures differs between the private and public sphere, with Myron asserting his authenticity both on- and off-camera ([04:53]):
  • "You can't really put a price on being able to be the same person on and off camera because it's really draining to be a fake."

3. On Gender Roles and Modern Relationships

• Gaines' "Five Things" for Men: Make six figures, be 35 years old, have 6–12 months savings, be in good shape, and have slept with 50 women ([10:00]).
  • He emphasizes sexual experience as key to understanding women and not being manipulated.
  • "I just want it where guys are able to get to a point where they understand women, to the point where they don't get into a relationship with a girl and she's telling them, like, oh, you're not going to get any nookie unless you take out the trash."
• Debate over Sexual Experience:
  • Host suggests Christian prescription values monogamy and sexual inexperience, with proposed benefits for marital happiness ([12:06]).
  • Gaines acknowledges the statistical advantage of virgins marrying virgins but counters that the modern environment makes that ideal unrealistic ([12:32]):
    • "Ideally if a guy and a girl can get together and be virgins, that's the best scenario... But...women have no reason to really sit there and submit to you and do what they're supposed to do because they're incentivized to not."
• Testing for Character:
  • Myron suggests men vet women carefully (6–12 months) before commitment, watching for acts of service ([14:08]).
    • "See if she does acts of service...A good woman is going to come in, see parts of things that you're doing that could be optimized."

4. The Impact of Feminism and Social Trends

• Myron argues feminism is “the blue pill for women,” convincing them fulfillment comes from career and independence rather than from supporting a masculine partner ([16:12]):
  • “For men, blue pill guys are simps...The blue pill for women is feminism and thinking that chasing a career, acting like a man...is empowering.”
• The decline of religious and cultural shaming is cited as a driver of current gender dynamics ([13:05], [44:49]):
  • "Religion fixed a lot of these problems...Religion, shame, the family. It used to keep women in check."
• Crowder adds that men's and women's roles are now ambiguous, which undermines relationships and family structures ([24:04]):
  • “Women’s roles nowadays are ambiguous. They can behave like a man when they want, they can behave like a lady when they want.”

5. Critique of Modern Female Behavior & Relationship Market

• Myron laments that modern women are incentivized to focus on career and promiscuity and are not taught to perform for men ([55:33]):
  • "Traveling, making money, career—these are all for modern women. Men are a distant, 6, 7, 8th place."
• He recommends that high-value men avoid "hot" or high-status women for long-term relationships, instead seeking more "average" women with traditional values ([35:37]):
  • "The most beautiful women tend to be liabilities versus being assets."

6. Transactional Nature of Relationships & Authority

• Myron contends all relationships are transactional to some degree and that men's only leverage is their willingness to walk away ([27:51]):
  • "The only leverage you have as a man is your ability to walk away."
• He insists the man must be the leader and final decision-maker in the home, with women flourishing in a supportive, subservient role ([20:16], [48:06]):
  • “She’s like the consigliere...You make the final decision. But her input does matter to a degree.”
• Women are happier, he claims, when they're able to focus on femininity and family, not chasing the hardships of career ambition ([47:48]):
  • "They’re just naturally going to be happier because they don't have to worry about all the, you know, ills of...competing in the modern world..."

7. Religion, Double Standards, and the Patriarchal Model

• Both agree that the strict patriarchal order is biblical, and the collapse of religious authority let feminism, and thus many social ills, flourish ([46:48]).

8. Vulnerability and Masculinity

• Discussion turns to whether men can be emotionally vulnerable and under what circumstances.
  • Myron: okay to show softer sides with pets or children, but never show financial or existential doubts to one's woman ([33:17]):
    • "If you have a dog and she shows...how much you love your dog...that’s a good way..."
  • "Don't cry to your girl. Because women are literally designed to be, you know, repulsed by weakness by men because that affects their security." ([32:24])

9. Controversial Banter and Handling Adversity

• The episode is laced with crude humor, provocative analogies (e.g., Pokémon comparisons for relationships), and intentionally offensive stereotypes and racial humor.
• Crowder and Myron frequently double back to clarify which remarks are jokes or exaggerated for comedic effect.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On public persona:
  "[Fans say] 'Wow, the same guy on and off camera.'...I don't think you could put a price on that." — Myron Gaines ([04:53])

• On gender roles:
  "I think women are stupid and need to be back in the kitchen and second-class citizens. I think men are better than women at almost everything that matters." — Myron Gaines ([03:07])
  (Note: Satirical exaggeration in the context of the show's tone)

• On sexual experience:
  "Guys need to have experience with 50 women...most men don't really figure women out until they've had a significant amount of experience." — Myron Gaines ([10:44])

• On modern Christian dating:
  “Ideally if a guy and a girl can get together and be virgins, that's the best...but women have no reason to really sit there and submit to you...they're incentivized to not.” — Myron Gaines ([12:32])

• On the transactional nature of relationships:
  "The only leverage you have as a man is your ability to walk away." — Myron Gaines ([27:51])

• On providing and responsibility:
  "If you’re gonna tell her, make that sandwich—well, that sandwich needs to be paid for by you, with all the ingredients in the house." — Myron Gaines ([48:20])

• On feminism:
  "Feminism: the main thing...was about removing shame from female behavior. ... It's about superiority and not being accountable for bad decisions." — Myron Gaines ([44:49])

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Important Timestamps

• 00:41–02:18: Myron's intro, background, and race/culture-based banter
• 03:07–04:09: Myron's caricatured list of controversial views
• 10:00–12:32: Myron's "Five Things" for men & sexual experience debate
• 14:08: Advice on vetting women & "acts of service"
• 16:12: Feminism and gender role reversal
• 20:06–23:10: Leadership, household hierarchy, and family structures
• 24:04–24:49: Ambiguity of modern women's roles and double standards
• 27:51–29:06: Leverage, monogamy, and sexual market value
• 32:24–34:15: Vulnerability, weakness, and how women respond
• 47:48–48:20: Why "following your man" is better for women
• 55:33–56:11: Women no longer prioritize finding a man or performing for him

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Tone & Dynamics

• The conversation frequently dips into humor, sarcasm, and purposely provocative language.
• The hosts and guest frequently highlight that their on-air tone blends honesty with caricature, and both answer critics and supporters directly.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a raw example of "Louder with Crowder's" embrace of open, politically incorrect debate, pushing boundaries on race, gender, and social norms. The dialogue between Crowder and Myron Gaines offers insight into the "red-pill" worldview—favoring male dominance and traditional roles—while also revealing how such ideas polarize audiences. Both Crowder and Gaines agree that modern dating and gender expectations leave many people unsatisfied, but split on the best solutions. The conversation underscores the ongoing cultural conflicts around marriage, masculinity, feminism, and authenticity—served with a brash, unfiltered comedic edge.

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Transcript

[Host]

Hey, look at the setup. The set is different. That's how you know that we're gonna have a guest. A long form. Sit down. And this, it's a new lighter. It's very hot. I just singed my knuckle hair. It's a great start. It's time to relax, have fun. And if you're watching on YouTube, stop Sash Wednesday. And our guest today, you know, he's been here in the studio. Controversial figure sometimes. I mean, he's always been very nice with us. Fresh and Fit on Rumble and kick at 8pm Eastern. It's. I didn't really. It's the number one men's self improvement podcast in the world. And this is a man who gets flack from all sides, Mr. Myron Gaines. Thank you.

[Myron Gaines]

Thank you for having me, man.

[Host]

Did I get the plugs right?

[Myron Gaines]

Pretty much.

[Host]

My first question, which one is fresh and which one is and or fit?

[Myron Gaines]

Probably me. I'm the fit one. Or I'm supposed to be.

[Host]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

And then fresh is the black guy who wears the chains.

[Host]

Okay. All right. So he is. So he's black. And you, you were also black, but some of the. Some of the. The colored folk don't consider you amongst them. Right. Have I heard.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes, yes. So the blacks don't consider me one of them, which is fine because I'm not an. Anyway.

[Host]

And that's going to be that kind of show coming in hot.

[Myron Gaines]

Second.

[Host]

You want to repeat that intro? Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

So don't consider me one of them, but I don't mind. It's not a big deal.

[Host]

Why is that? Because you're Sudanese?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. So my family's from Sudan. I was born here in the United States.

[Host]

Right.

[Myron Gaines]

My parents were born over there. Over there. Immigrated here, you know, figured it out. Weren't criminals, weren't degenerates, didn't do drugs. My mom didn't leave my dad to take welfare. They still together to this day. We had a nuclear family, and though we were poor, we're able to figure it out, which is, you know, the foundation of any thriving societies of the nuclear family. And I credit my parents for that.

[Host]

So are they both Sudanese or.

[Myron Gaines]

Both Sudanese? Yep.

[Host]

Are any of them pirates?

[Myron Gaines]

No, those are Somalians.

[Host]

I know some. I thought it was.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Was it called A Little Bighorn?

[Myron Gaines]

So I'm actually very racist towards Somalians and Ethiopians. I hate them because they're like dirty pirates.

[Host]

They're like dirty pirates.

[Myron Gaines]

They're not Arabs like us. We're higher class.

[Host]

That's true. Okay, well, that makes sense.

[Myron Gaines]

I like. Dude, weird language.

[Host]

I dated an Ethiopian girl.

[Myron Gaines]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Host]

Well, she was far lighter skinned than I had been led to believe.

[Myron Gaines]

Okay.

[Host]

You know, I was branching out and she said, we're going to go to an Ethiopian restaurant. And I said, well, we're going to have a sand bowls and well water.

[Myron Gaines]

I was going to say, like, they don't even have a cuisine. What is a hot bowl?

[Host]

And it's that spongy bread that tastes like you ever had. It's like, it's like Indian food, like naan bread, but it's spongy. It's really gross. But she was attractive, so I put up with sugar. I have no idea.

[Myron Gaines]

Okay.

[Host]

I don't know. I don't necessarily know if the carnivore diet. I think it's whatever they can whack with a stick.

[Myron Gaines]

Pretty much. Yeah.

[Host]

Pretty much that in sand. Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't know. I'm sure there it's a cradle of civilization. It's just funny. That still looks like the cradle now.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, but they're the ops for us.

[Host]

Yes. Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

We don't like them.

[Host]

So explain. Because obviously like we always have people like. And I'm this way where something like, well, people don't necessarily know what my. It's misrepresented. How would you. And you've been on the show. But how would you sort of encapsulate like your views to the uninitiated? What do you think people get wrong about you?

[Myron Gaines]

Oh man. So I'll kind of just go through some of my worldviews and then we can kind of go from there. So I think women are stupid and need to be back in the kitchen and second class citizens.

[Host]

Right.

[Myron Gaines]

I think men are better than women.

[Host]

Lifeline back that I gave. Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

I think men are better than women at almost everything that matters. Jews control America and have too much power. Uh oh. A lot of Muslims are retarded. Let's see here. What else? Oh, Jeets stink. They're deodorant Dodgers.

[Host]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

Blacks have a perpetual victimhood.

[Host]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

Whites can't dance and their food sucks.

[Gerald]

Hey, hey.

[Myron Gaines]

And you guys also don't control your women enough because it's always white women that are in the front of every liberal movement. So I think you guys need to put them in the kitchen even harder. They're way too much represented in the college campuses in the work workforce.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

What else other races do I dislike?

[Host]

Let's go.

[Myron Gaines]

They're good at math.

[Host]

But right.

[Myron Gaines]

Still not cool.

[Host]

Okay. Plus, they're odd.

[Gerald]

It's close.

[Host]

Awkward as it's very, very odd. Like, it's an odd culture. Like, where it's almost like we're from.

[Myron Gaines]

A different planet and the men are like, cucks.

[Host]

I don't know about that, but I'll assume it's true. Are there any races that you do like?

[Myron Gaines]

No.

[Host]

No. Okay. All right. All right.

[Gerald]

Wow.

[Myron Gaines]

I was like. Because it's always the ones I hate, but no one's ever asked me, like, which ones do you like?

[Host]

And I was like, maybe you're just a pessimist. That's really what it is. It's not a racist thing. You're just a pessimist. Where you just see the worst among everyone.

[Myron Gaines]

You know, I think race separates us, but racism brings the real n together.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

That's why we're sitting down together right now, because we're real n. That are all racist to a degree.

[Host]

I think that people. I think one thing you. You know this. And it's kind of the same thing in hockey. Sometimes the guys who people see as the most brutal are actually the nicest guys. They're actually the guys who have some kind of a code, you know, some. Some kind of honor that they follow. Where of times, the people who present the G. Golly, sort of Roy Rogers, they do have two Personas. And I think that there's something to be said for saying the same things publicly that you would say privately.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

That's actually one of the biggest things that I take to heart. Like, whenever someone comes to me and says, hey, can I get a picture? Or whatever, or they. And I chat with them for a little bit, they're like, wow, the same guy on and off camera. Because they're not used to, like, personalities, like, being the same dude on and off. And for me, I look at it like I prefer to, you know, get some shadow band, get banned here, demonetize here, blah, blah, so that I can be the same guy on and off camera. Because I don't think you could put a price on that. And a lot of us here, you know, on the more right side of things, we tend to be far more authentic and honest with our views. Yeah, obviously, it costs us a lot of money, but I think you can't really put a price on being able to be the same person on and off camera because it's really draining to be a fake. Yeah. You know, you got to put on that mask like, hi, guys, how you doing? You know, you look at Any of these, like, Twitch streamers, like, they hate their jobs, really. They just do it for the money. All these sims come up to them and, you know, are perverted and they don't really like what they do. But I think being able to be authentic allows you to, number one, do it longer. Number two, have that level of credibility. And then number two, three, be relatable.

[Host]

Yeah. Well, I think the left has picked. Picked up on that because that's what they try and do now is poke holes in authenticity. Right. If the smear attacks come, it's not like this guy's a bad boy anymore. It's like this guy doesn't believe what he says because insert whatever here.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah. So I think, like, there's just a certain level of authenticity and relatability that you just can't put a price on. And I would forego, you know, tens of millions of dollars, right, to make significantly less so that I can be myself on and off camera. Because, you know, when the mask slips, it's really bad for you. Like, people say, oh, you're a fake, whatever, if they, you know, catch you, you know, breaking character off camera. So, you know, because I. I truly do think a lot of these, like, leftists that are sitting here talking about women's rights and stuff, they womanize harder than some of us. So it's like, of course they. Well, maybe even more than me. So, you know, but they fake it. Like. Like Harry says it, for example. We got caught, like, talking to all these girls on the side.

[Host]

Yeah. And I was like, there's nothing wrong with this, but I'm going to watch him burn because it's fun.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Yeah. And it's like. Because he's, like, putting all this propaganda, like, oh, yeah, women's rights are like, yeah, but he's over here womanizing just like a lot of us do. Right. So that's the problem with these guys is they're just not authentic.

[Host]

I think it's kind of funny when you sort of. Look, people talk about the Overton window and it's conservative Christians defending Hooters. That's a real shift, you know, where we're like, look, we're. You know, as a general, as a Christian conservative, I'm anti pornography. I think it's bad for society, for culture. I think it rots the brain. But I also think that the idea that we can't appreciate beautiful women is ridiculous. So the same Christians who are like, hey, this shouldn't be on, for example, like, South Park. This shouldn't be on during primetime where kids could see it. But, like, of course, adults should be able. Now they're the ones defending whatever Hooters or Twin Peaks or whatever, the slutty kilts, whatever it's called. Because we're like, yeah, but you don't get to tell adults what they do on their own time. We're able to separate the two, whereas now we're infantilized by the left. Like Harry Sisson. What was it? He sent a couple of dick pics? Is that what it was? Something like that, yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

He was, like, flirting with multiple girls, pretending like he was being exclusive to them.

[Gerald]

Right.

[Host]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

Basically he was being a player.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

Which, you know, we don't give a shit about. But, like, over there, that's a big problem because now you're like, being, you know, oh, my God, you're being a womanizer, you're being a misogynist, you're being all this crap. And it's like, women do the same. It's just that, like, when a guy does it, right, it's a big problem.

[Host]

Well, because they don't expect it. Now, does this ever. Do you ever get in hot water? Because your lady, lovely, fetching lady, I think like a lady out there. I don't want to speak out of turn. Does it ever hurt you in your relationships where they hear you? Be like, we're all players. Do you have to say you're going to go back? And she's like, you have some splaining to do, you know, in Sudanese.

[Myron Gaines]

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll say to everybody, no, we need to talk. So they don't. Because, like, I'm very open about that. Like, I tell girls all the time, I'm not going to be monogamous to you. I tell them all the time. Men lead, women follow. And, you know, and I do want to be important because this is another thing that people kind of misconstrue about me. I don't tell guys to run out there and be, like, a womanizer, like, at forever. I just want guys to be able to understand women. And I understand for you to truly be able to understand modern women in the way that they move nowadays, unfortunately, like religion and culture and all the things that used to keep women in place, the church and shame, all these institutions are pretty much gone or eroded significantly. So, like, women are incentivized to be whores nowadays. So I tell guys, look, get in a position where you understand women, where they can't. Where they can't hurt you. Like, whether it be with marriage or the divorce court or, you know, you're paying alimony or child support, understand them, and then go in with your eyes wide open. And unfortunately, in today's day and age, I think guys do have to get a level of experience when they deal with women. But I just want them to do it on their terms versus doing it on the woman's terms, which is what most guys end up doing in society.

[Host]

I think that's good because I know you've had conversations, you know, a friend of mine, Andrew Wilson, and yes, we agree on a lot of the. Like, I think you're unabashedly red pill, you would say, and then I get lumped in with that. Whereas, like, we would have very different prescriptions going forward. But it sounds to me like you.

[Myron Gaines]

Said, we've all identified the same problem.

[Host]

The same problems. Yes, exactly. And I think that's where we kind of diverge and we can talk about it. But that's actually good for you to clarify because I've heard you say, like, you know, bang, a lot of. To use your, you know, your culture, colored nomenclature.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes.

[Host]

Because you're basically saying, do it on your terms. So if you want to be monogamous, if you want to not be promiscuous, then make sure you're approaching it the right way where you find that kind of woman. But if you want a whore, then, you know, go to the horse store.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. And be able to identify them. So this is the thing that like, so I get in a lot of fights with a lot of like, you know, you do over this topic. So like one of the things. Right. So I have five things I think every guy should have. And I think we might have even had a discussion on this before a couple years back and hasn't really changed too much. You know, have make six figures a year, at least $100,000 a year as a guy, be 35 years old, have six months to one year of savings, be in good shape and have sex with 50 women. Now this 50 women thing is what has a lot of people. Yeah. This is what pissed a lot of people off. Now, this 50 isn't a hard and fast 50. I just want it where guys are able to get to a point where they understand women, to the point where they don't get into a relationship with a girl and she's telling them, like, oh, you're not going to get any nookie unless you take out the trash. Oh, you're not going to get XYZ unless you do this. So I don't want guys to be in a position where their girlfriend or their significant other can leverage sexuality for compliance from them. From his perspective, she should be giving that to you all the time and she should be actually the one trying to initiate if, you know, you do everything right correctly. And the reason why I say guys need to have these five things is because in the age of Instagram, in the age of dating apps, in the age of where women have all these, you know, opportunities, relationship and sexual opportunities, you need to be what I call like an entry level, higher status guy. And these five things will put you in a position where you can at least be the leadership figure in that relationship where she's going to respect you and most importantly, submit to you. Guys submit to you. So that's why I say these things. Now, could it be 20 and you'll be fine? Could it be 10? Could it be 1? Hell, could you even be a virgin maybe understand this stuff? Sure. But what I've realized is, like, most men don't really figure women out until they've had a significant amount of experience. And I've noticed it to be somewhere between 30 to 50 now.

[Host]

Now, do you mean that relationally or do you mean that sexually?

[Myron Gaines]

Sexually, so that you understand women appropriately so that you can identify. It's like, okay, like we look at World of Warcraft, right? Like, you got to kill the little, like monsters or whatever. Like this wants to level.

[Host]

I thought we were talking about women. You went to World of Warcraft.

[Gerald]

This is the problem. How many women do you have your World of Warcraft?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, well, you got to kill the, like, little. Do you hear that?

[Host]

That's the sound of all women drying up.

[Myron Gaines]

Or like, you know, you spar with a bunch of people in boxing, right? So that when you finally have that, that, that final match against the boss, like, you know how to appropriately, you know, duck and weave and you know, do what you got to do to be able to win the fight. Because I do think, like, when it gets to marriage and long term relationship, that's going to be the hardest thing for you versus just womanizing. So you need to understand women's strategies and proclivities and everything else like that. So I think having that number and having that experience will, number one, put you in a position where you're attractive and then number two, give you the prerequisite knowledge and sexuality where women can't leverage sex against you anymore. Because so many guys are like, I got my d CK ed. I'm gonna do whatever she Wants and that's like the beginning of the end.

[Host]

You've been talking with Robert, he says that a lot.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh really?

[Host]

Okay. He says that I'm like Robert, you don't understand the dynamics of female male interplay. But I will say I get it. And then the Christian right prescription is, hey, you know what the truth is, people figure out sex and the truth is people who are virgins, who get married and then have sex, have fewer partners, are sexually happier now maybe because they don't know what they're compared to there, but so what? You know what I mean?

[Myron Gaines]

I also think just for clarity, ideally if a guy and a girl can get together and be virgins, that that's the best scenario.

[Host]

So you would say that too?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, statistically speaking, that is the best way. But me being pragmatic and understanding how women are nowadays where the average 21 year old girl is going to have more sexual partners than the average 21 year old guy. Like I can't in good faith tell guys to get married at her as a virgin and them not being destroyed because. Because they don't understand female nature and how women are. And like unfortunately the church, religion, society, shame, all these different things that used to be in play back like in 1955 are no longer in Plan 2025. And women have no reason to really sit there and submit to you and do what they're supposed to do because they're incentivized to not.

[Host]

Well, let me ask you this. Sorry, go ahead.

[Gerald]

I was going to say is. Do you think so? I think you're right. We have identified kind of one of.

[Host]

The problems of dry skin in your.

[Myron Gaines]

Is that what it is?

[Host]

It's gone.

[Gerald]

Thanks, appreciate that. I went like this. I scratched my nose right before we.

[Host]

Went on the show.

[Gerald]

Yeah, exactly. Do you think though that there is a way to incentivize guys to only look for. Look, just look for the right women and eventually this problem goes away because women won't be able to find any guys because they're not looking for women that are sleeping around, they're actually looking for people that have some character and some, I don't know, the qualities in women that we've always looked for. So instead of incentivizing like saying, hey, go out and sleep with 50 so you understand them, just say, just don't play their game, just find virtuous women and therefore we will get rid of this problem by doing that.

[Myron Gaines]

The only problem with that is that so when women run game, what, what they do is when they find a guy that they like, they'll sell purity and. Oh yeah, no, yeah, we all know like, we sell success stories. Yes. So like, my thing is like, she's. And this is another reason why.

[Gerald]

What about an app? A purity app. Follow me here.

[Myron Gaines]

No, I'm just kidding. You could ask some questions to it.

[Host]

And then I can getting a water filter.

[Myron Gaines]

But yeah, like, the thing is, you guys need to be able to identify when girls are lying to and they were selling purity. And this is why I tell guys actually like date a girl for six months to a year before you ever like claim her and make her your actual girlfriend and actually getting serious, because you need time to see where she stands in her characteristics. And then another thing I tell guys is like, see if she does acts of service, like, will she do things for you? And because a good woman is going to come in, see parts of things that you're doing that could be optimized. Like for example, let's say you, you like coffee, right? But she shows up at your house, you don't have a good coffee machine. She just takes the initiative and buys you one, right. Or she has a cup always ready for you when you wake up. Little things like that. And you don't even have to tell her, like, that's a really good sign because now she's becoming like, almost. I, I always say men need to be problem solvers in the real world. Women need to be problem solvers in the household with the guy and making them better so that they don't have to think about the little things so they can go focus on the big things. That's where I think a woman is best. And people get mad at me when I say, oh yeah, she needs to basically be your assistant. But I truly do think, like, women thrive in that assistance role because it puts you as the masculine leader and the dominant figure. It puts her as the subservient, which is what they want anyway. And she's helping you become better. And I think that's like the best way it can go. But guys won't be able to identify these types of women or be able to figure this out until they date them for a good amount of time and see where she stands with these types of things.

[Host]

Do you think because you said women's nature, and again, we would agree on the descriptions, maybe not the prescriptions, where I still think finding a chaste woman is ideal. But I also agree blind spot. Women lie in the modern world because sometimes they're going against their nature. Their nature Is not to be, you know, is a term you use. Hyper.

[Myron Gaines]

Hypergamy.

[Host]

Hypergamy, yes. They don't want to be sluts, put it that way. They don't want to be dime store whores. A lot of them don't. Right. But they've been told that it's empowering. And so sometimes women are trying the same way that guys who simp and say, hey, I'm soft, I'm sympathetic, I'm sensitive. They're trying to fill an archetype that they have been told is appealing, which actually flies in the face of our nature sometimes.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

And we see more people who are sort of acting anti naturally. Women acting masculine, acting tough, boss, babe. And men, and I don't use it, I don't want to use the term beta. But men acting weak and subservient and no one's happy because it's all a fake out.

[Myron Gaines]

No, no, you're actually precisely correct. I say it all the time. Feminism is the blue pill for women, right? So, so, so for men, right? Blue pill guys are simps, you know, feminine, think that women can lead and, you know, they can, you know, do certain masculine things and they can, like, defer that to her. Like, yeah, it's okay if my girl, like, bosses me around and tells me what to do. Like, because they're idiots and they don't understand female nature. Same exact thing with women. Women. The blue pill for women is feminism. And thinking that chasing a career, acting like a man, being masculine, challenging your husband or challenging your man is like, you know, empowering. That is the blue pill for them. And they, they buy the even worse. Because advertisers, society in general, like, women are easier buyers. Like, they're the target demographic for advertising. Because women are the consumers. They like to extract value. And with them, they, they are. When I always say, like, when you lie, women buy. And that's what they do. That's why, like with the Gillette commercial, we can even put in the clip here if you guys want.

[Host]

Which one, the mustache one or the one the guy's like, you shouldn't actually hold, Tell the woman she's hot.

[Myron Gaines]

Which one?

[Gerald]

Boys will be boys.

[Myron Gaines]

The one? Yeah. The boys will be boys one.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

A problem among kids here in Indiana.

[Host]

We can't hide from it. We can't laugh at all. Who's the daddy?

[Myron Gaines]

What? I actually making the same old excuses. Boys will be boys. Boys will be boys. Boys will be boys.

[Host]

Yeah, right.

[Myron Gaines]

And in that commercial, I love to use that, because that commercial exemplifies the problem that we're in. We have a men's razor company.

[Gerald]

Men's.

[Myron Gaines]

Right. A men's razor company literally sh. Tting on their target demographic of customer to appease to women. And if that doesn't prove that women are the, you know, majority consumers and they run. We live in a gyno central society. I don't know what else does. And. And I always tell people, like, well, they're like, oh, why is that a big deal? Men do need to be better. A lot of guys are, you know, toxically masculine, whatever. Because that was one of the commercials that pushed this whole toxic masculinity thing. And I'm like, all right, well, what if Victoria's Secret did a commercial saying, hey, stop being sluts. Stop cheating on your boyfriend. Stop being attention whores on. On Instagram. Like, start making those goddamn sandwiches. Do you think Victoria's Secret would have a problem? They probably would.

[Host]

They'd all be losing because Joe would be out of business.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

And I don't want that to happen. It's one of the few like that and Yankee doodle candle store. Those are the only reasons I go to the mall, usually by myself. One point I would agree. One fundamental difference, though, and I think you would agree with this, but single men are very large consumers. Once they are in a nuclear family household, women are the consumers. So the marketing changes. When they're single, men tend to buy a lot of things. Electronics, cars, toys.

[Myron Gaines]

Right.

[Host]

Once you're married, it's often women. And here's how I know I got a good woman. She's Latina, by the way. They're all nuts. But she buys men's razors. She goes, yeah, it's cheaper. It's the exact same thing. And that's how you know she's not a feminist. Because women go the pink tax. Get a black razor.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

You don't have to have 18 strips and Venus people singing, doing synchronized swimming in the commercial. It's literally a tax on a color that costs more to produce and you pay more. You could just buy a plain black razor. And mine does. And that's why, you know, she doesn't have to cover up the bruising with makeup. But no, it's like sometimes you gotta.

[Myron Gaines]

You know what I mean?

[Host]

Hey, I don't gotta do. But I will say I do think a big part of this being able is recognizing women who identify that problem. Because the truth is, all women still have that proclivity of that.

[Gerald]

No.

[Host]

No matter what happens. But recognizing that, hey, we do Tend to be more emotional. Hey, men are in positions of leadership. And the way I sort of present it when I discuss this with women is I go, you think leader, follower. There's no unit that exists in a business, in government, in the military, where there isn't a hierarchy. So how about, hey, this guy's a general and you're a colonel, meaning everyone else is below you. Everything else in the household, everyone outside of your household is some. Your man will defer to you. Just not when it's an issue of your difference of opinion. Cuz he's the general or he's the Secretary of defense and you're a general or he's the president and you're the secretary of State. Like it's literally the next position from the top.

[Myron Gaines]

Absolutely.

[Host]

But nowhere else do you go, we got two people calling the shots. Someone has to be a tiebreaker.

[Myron Gaines]

Yep.

[Host]

And that's not dishonoring. That's as honoring as it can be outside of the one general.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. And I always tell people like, you know, basically like she's like the consigliere if we're going to look at like Italian organized crime or something like that. You're the boss, she's the advisor. Right. And then obviously whatever, you know, obviously you make the final decision. But her input does matter to a degree. And obviously the longer with her, the more value she's added to your life, the more and more her opinion matters. But my biggest thing is I just want guys to be in a position where they're the leader, they're the final decision maker. She doesn't wear the pants in the house when you're out in public. She's not embarrassing you, which is another thing. Like she's, you know, you're self deprecating like a simp and you know, all this other stuff.

[Host]

Like Steph Curry's wife.

[Myron Gaines]

Precisely. Dude.

[Host]

My soul died a little.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Host]

Like I've had to take him to go to therapy and you know, it's just like what your man's one of like the best at what he does on earth and he's loyal and he.

[Gerald]

Seems to be a good guy, you.

[Host]

Know, Good guy who loves his kids.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

Just like my guy. He'll take a call during dinner. It's like, is it the president of Nike?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

Or the president.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

So.

[Myron Gaines]

And it's like, it's just absolutely not so. That's what I want. Guys in a position where like their girls never doing something like that to them. And the only way is like when she number One, she doesn't, you know, she sees you as a superior. And when she does talk about you, she should be excited and be like, oh yeah, I love him so much. Blah, blah. And I can actually tell the way a woman talks about her man when he's not in the room tells me everything I need to know about the relationship. If she's like, you know, infatuated with him and she looks up to him and she's impressed by him, she's like his biggest. Building him up, you know, that's. That's how, you know, like, okay, this guy has his stuff together. But when she. When it's like that, where she's over here like badmouthing him and complaining and stuff like that, it's like, dude, you don't have strong frame because your girl's over here saying this wild stuff about you. And the thing that kills me is like, yeah, like the guy is extremely competent and good at what he does.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Host]

Well, and that, that also goes back to Gerald's wrong point, which is look like it seems like he did everything right and she still is miserable and ungrateful. As far as Steph Curry.

[Gerald]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host]

I'm not talking about you. You've done everything wrong. What I'm saying is. But Steph Curry. No, you've done it mostly right. He got really lucky. His wife is awesome.

[Gerald]

I got very lucky. Yes.

[Host]

He just.

[Myron Gaines]

How long you guys been together?

[Gerald]

We got married in 2019. So six years.

[Myron Gaines]

Okay.

[Host]

Into his 30s. You know, I've told. I'm not late 30s. Yeah. I was like, it's not like how.

[Myron Gaines]

Long were you guys dating before that?

[Gerald]

We literally dated one year. We got married on our one year anniversary.

[Myron Gaines]

Okay.

[Gerald]

We were late enough in life where kind of figured all this stuff out.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

And everything lined up. Like we were talking about like she's. She would. She'll say to me like, I can't believe these. These people were talking bad about their husbands.

[Host]

Why would you do that?

[Gerald]

Yeah, you know, like that same kind of stuff. Exactly.

[Myron Gaines]

Right.

[Host]

And. And Gerald knew that I thought he was going to be single for life. Where I was like, I don't know, I just need to give it up. That he was so excited when he was like, I want you to meet the.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, I think she's the one strong dad.

[Gerald]

Me.

[Myron Gaines]

No, her. Like, does she have a strong dad.

[Gerald]

Or a very strong personality? Dad?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Okay. So. Okay. Because I've noticed with women like that that just get it without you having telling them anything. 9 out of 10 times. Strong father or a strong brother or uncle or somebody in their life that, like, put these values in them. Like, yo, you do not do this type of.

[Gerald]

Well, and she was a woman of faith. Like, she was looking for somebody to lead. And that's why I was going to say one of the failures of the Protestant church has been feminism.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes.

[Gerald]

Like, and I know you're Muslim. I'm going to talk to Jay Dyer here in the next couple of.

[Host]

He's the Halloween three of the.

[Gerald]

Yeah, yeah. But that's one of the failures. Like putting kind of inverting everything you described about women just a second ago about kind of the role and that partnership is described in the Bible. That's the biblical prescription for it. But we've taken that and perverted it in the church and nobody's happy because of it. Women aren't happy and men are not happy.

[Host]

Women have taken it and perverted. That goes consumers. Yeah. Because in the Protestant church, it's women who. And that is a failure of leadership for men. A lot of men didn't prioritize faith. And so women are the ones who take the kids to Sunday school. Women are the ones who are often. So the Protestant church has catered to them.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

And very much we've read it's. It's a real problem.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

Where you will hear pastors sit down and talk about what a man isn't and what a man needs to be. And if you ask, well, what is a wife, he'll just tell you, well, I'll tell you what submission doesn't mean. Yeah, but what does it mean? I'll tell you what, it doesn't mean this, like. Yeah, but can you call half of this place to the mat? And they don't.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. And that's. I'm really glad that you said that. And that's just not a problem within the Protestant church. That's a problem in society in general, whether, you know, whether in the confinements of religion or not. Like, women's roles nowadays are ambiguous. They can behave like a man when they want, they can behave like a lady when they want. And they're able to kind of what I call the perpetual, the proverbial double dipping, where they could demand on one end, you better pay for the day and treat me like a lady. But on the other hand, they could say, I'm a boss, babe, and I don't need to listen to you. And this puts us in a very weird position because now she wants me to adhere to all my duties, but she's not Adhering to hers. She could talk back to me, but I'm responsible for anything if it goes wrong. So I have basically all this responsibility for. With no authority. And my thing is whether, you know, it's the advice I dispense with having those five things in place with the 50 bodies, certain money being in shape, etc, or, you know, vetting a girl for 6 months to 12. 6 to 12 months. My biggest thing is I just want men to be in the position where they are the decider. You want to be monogamous, fantastic. Do it. You want to have multiple girlfriends, fantastic. Do it. But you need to be the one dictating how things go, not the women. That's really the only biggest. That's why I do what I do is so that men understand that they need to be the leaders. And to be the leader, you need to have these things in place and also understand what you're dealing with on the other end. Because women of 2025 are no longer the women of 1955, which, you know, guys make this egregious mistake and think that they are.

[Host]

Yeah, that's where we would differ. For me, the prescription is, yeah, a woman should. And if she does provide those things, it is your duty as a man to honor her, to respect her and be. And I would put in there monogamous.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

But, you know, I will say as.

[Myron Gaines]

Long as the guy's making that decision and he's monogamous because he wants to be, I'm cool with it. I just don't want guys being monogamous because their wife tells them, oh, you better be monogamous because xyz, like.

[Host]

Well, I understand your problem with it too. Yeah, I understand. Because the truth is, if a man. If a man commits to monogamy, and again, I fully support monogamy. Not like this bigamist over here. I'm half thinking that's how you know it's a cult. If someone gets to bang everyone at the top. Yeah, but that's a power grab.

[Myron Gaines]

I will say be like the branch of Indians, man.

[Host]

That's what I want.

[Myron Gaines]

We're here next to Dallas.

[Gerald]

There you go.

[Myron Gaines]

Not too far away from Waco. Like, come on, man, I don't think.

[Host]

You'D want hypergamy with those people. But I will say, like, if you promise monogamy, which I believe should be promised. The problem is you are promising something that is like 80% of the equation for a woman if you're a man worth committing to. And we do have to understand relationship dynamics. There is leverage at play sometimes. And you've given that all up. Where one's like, if I know this man is a good man and he is going to be monogamous, I can use it against him. I'll summarize it this way. I have. Despite what people try to say, you can even look at court records. Never laid a hand on a woman. Never would. But I've been with women who have been with guys before me who hit them. And I've said this. Where I've gone, you know what? You know, I'm not going to. And the messed up thing is I know that's being used against me. I know that you're talking to me in a way that you wouldn't to your former Puerto Rican boyfriend or whoever it is.

[Myron Gaines]

Yep. Or Jamal.

[Host]

And you're just like. And so what do you do? Like, it doesn't matter how stern you are. It's like you can be walked all over. And that is a problem that I think a lot of men just don't know how to solve. Where they can be hit, where they can be cheated on. A woman can hit a man, cheat on him, leave him, and take half. And so they're checking out. And so I do think that the Protestant church has come up short with a lot of. With a lot of solutions. Now, I certainly wouldn't go to Islam.

[Myron Gaines]

But we smack our women.

[Host]

I know a lot of you do.

[Myron Gaines]

We should honor them.

[Host]

Yeah. So I. I do understand that. I still think that that is what we should strive for. And I don't think that going down the path of. Of polyamorous relationships. But I get it. And I remember going, ooh, the fact that I'm not. Because, in other words, it's a promise I've made to myself where I'm not going to swat you, where if you were a guy, you'd be going off the balcony. And I know it's used against me.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

And.

[Myron Gaines]

And. And since we. And I'm glad you said that. Since we can no longer use violence to curb women. Shucks. We have to stop it. We have to. Oh, man. Damn it. We have to use something else. And what I always say is, the only leverage you have as a man is your ability to walk away. Now, am I saying guys?

[Host]

Right? And that's what I was getting that.

[Myron Gaines]

Run around and smash a bunch of girls or whatever. No, but you being able to not be monogamous is what keeps women in line. Because I always said, when you have other women in line, your girl will Be in line and follow what she's supposed to do because she knows that you can get up and leave because you keep your sexual market value high. You're. You're. This. You stay the. Can we change the line?

[Host]

Because I agree with what you think. Maybe it might help if you change language, too, as opposed to, like, getting what you want. Like, in other words, if you are going to meet her expectations. Other, like, if she gets what she wants, she has to meet expectations. Because women think like, you're treating me like a dog. And I understand where you're coming from, but it's true. It's like, hey, we both have expectations. You got to meet yours. You can't hold me to a promise if you're not holding yourself to yours.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, no, and the problem is that guys don't hold. That makes sure they don't hold the woman to a standard, which is the.

[Host]

Legal system forbids it.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, precisely. And. And she has every incentive to actually break said contract. So, yeah, what I tell guys is like, this is why you got it. This is why I'm so big on you. You need to go to the gym, you need to make money, you need to be successful. You need to have all these things in place where you're an attractive man and most importantly, other men respect you and other women want to be with you. You walk into.

[Host]

But enough about me.

[Myron Gaines]

And women are looking at you, right? And that helps because now your girl sees, oh, she's given a constant reminder, oh, I'm with the best that I can get because I always look at women as, like, they're kind of like, well, they're. They're the buyers, right? So, like, if you. If you get a car, right, you get a really nice car, right? As the woman, right? I'd like to normally make the women the car with the high mileage, but we can go ahead and do it on the other side. So if she feels like she bought a car, right? And everywhere she goes, this car is getting, you know. You know, people are enamored by it, asking questions like, oh, my God, so how'd you get that? Blah, blah, blah. That's event. That thing is rare. Whatever. Like, she's. And she's get constantly getting attention and compliments on it or like, people are looking at it. She knows that she got a good deal. But if she's not constantly being reminded that her guy is that guy, she loses attraction a little bit. And that's the thing that's kind of sucks with women, which is another thing I need to tell guys is like, because they don't understand this. Women are attracted to status and women are attracted to men that already have other women. We don't need that because we're decision makers on our own. And we're, we have cap. We're capable of like independent thought. Like for example, right? Let's say all of us were single. You guys weren't married. If Gerald's a hot girl and down the street and we, and he's like, oh man, she's hot. And we said, dude, she looks weird. What are you talking about? He'd be like, you guys, I'm gonna go talk to her. Anyway, he doesn't need us to co sign that girl for him to be attracted to her. Women aren't like that though. They need to, you know, they might be attracted to you, but if they see other women attracted to you, it goes even further. So they need like the, the, the community to approve of you. And there's a bunch of biological reasons for that, but.

[Host]

Oh, it's a competitive drive.

[Myron Gaines]

It's a competitive drive for them. So guys need to be that dude, where. And this is where the monogamy thing kicks in. Fine. You want to be monogamous, that's fine. But she needs to know that you could leave her at any second. And I think that's what keeps women in line because you can't smack them anymore.

[Host]

What do you. Okay, but let me ask you this because this is. And I know people will be. No matter how, how we have this conversation, people will criticize me and you and vice versa, because I'm totally agree.

[Myron Gaines]

I'm trying to be as toxic misogynist.

[Host]

But does. Does love enter into the equation? By that, I mean, let's say, for example, let's say you're General Patton, right. And you're the, you're the baddest mofo on the block person I can think of.

[Myron Gaines]

Yep.

[Host]

And then you get hit by a car and you need some help. Are you saying that women would leave that guy because he, he doesn't. He's not desired by other women at that point. Or is. Is do we allow for, hey, knowing that he was that guy and knowing who he is, but sometimes he. You actually do need to be each other's support structure?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, no, of course I'll say that. You know, she's a good girl. She's going to stay by there. By there for you. But you know, I think every woman is going to have a time clock. Right? Like how long will she sit there as you're, like, you know, disabled, not able to provide and have that security. And I think this is, like, the, you know, the more carnal and, you know, bad side of female nature where women are literally designed to, like, find the strongest man and align with that. So, like, if you can no longer provide that security that you used to, it's inevitable that she's going to lose a level of attraction for you at some point. So that's why I always tell guys, like, if you lose your job or anything else like that, like, don't cry in front of your girl. Like, figure out. Figure it out. Talk to your guy friends. Don't cry to your girl. Because women are literally designed to be, you know, repulsed by weakness by men because that affects their security. So, like, if they see you crying or they see you get beat up by another dude, even though they might say, oh, no, open up to me or I'm going to support you, like some. There's, like, some visceral reaction in the back of her brain that's going to say, oh, this guy might not be able to protect you. You might, you know, need a change. And I've had so many girls on my show. We've had like 4,000 girls now at this point, a lot of them say.

[Host]

You personally?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, on our show.

[Gerald]

Different number.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, girls that we've.

[Gerald]

You're like Magic Johnson.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, well, I didn't. I'm just kidding.

[Host]

Magic Johnson. Straight as an arrow. Great movie theaters. Please continue.

[Myron Gaines]

His son, not so straight. But, yeah, one of the things I've always noticed is, like, when girls, like, you know, lose attraction for their guys, there's some, like, this one pivotal point. It's either he lost his job, he cried in front of her, he showed weakness, and then she just never looked at him the same, and then the attractiveness has dropped off from there. So I'm not saying every girl is going to leave you when you're in that vulnerable position, but there's definitely a time clock that's starting.

[Host]

So is there ever. Because a lot of people say, well, that seems cold and bleak. And I hate to use the word transactional, because all relationships are transactional to some degree.

[Myron Gaines]

Sure.

[Host]

But is there a scenario, where appropriate, assuming confines, assuming expectations have been met, where a man can be vulnerable or should be, to trust that woman? Can she ever cross that threshold in your mind?

[Myron Gaines]

I think vulnerable, but in ways that won't necessarily hurt you. So, like, if you have a dog and she shows that, sees how much you love your dog and how you, you know, show so much affection to it, and she sees a soft side. That's a good way. Right. We're being vulnerable because it shows. Like your caretaker with your children, you know, playing with them and showing that you can be a very loving father. I think this is good. But, like, when it comes to, like, you as a guy, like, crying or showing any type of weakness, I don't know what I'm gonna do about these bills. Blah, blah. I think most women would prefer for you to just solve the problem silently on the side and she doesn't even know about it, then bring that prompt to her and have her help you with it. Now, am I saying that she'll leave you? Of course not. No. She'll be like, yeah, let's go at this together. With us against the world. Someone will embrace it and love it.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

But you don't know because every girl is different. And until they're. Until they're met with that problem, you don't know how they're gonna respond. So I look at it like, why. Why roll the dice, right? We're talking about revolves earlier. Why play Russian roulette with your relationship? Right. Why if you don't have to? Because women are. Respond so strongly to security or there. Or a lack of it, I wouldn't even chance it.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah. And I think. And I think men respond in kind to stability that's created by the woman in the home. That's a really big thing. I mean, either. Either you're out sowing your wild oats, but when a man settles down, like, he's only settling down because he wants stability in his house that he doesn't get from the world, and that's super important. That's both sides of the equation.

[Myron Gaines]

And for her to have the state to feel like the house is going to be stable, she needs to know that you're stable too, because you're the reason why she has the roof over her head. So, like, I look at it like, when you have your problems, your masculine problems, you should always go to your guy friends with it, never to your girl or to your woman.

[Host]

Okay.

[Gerald]

I think too, like, you know, on this topic, I think guys have just made such poor decisions as well. Right. So accepting so many of these things as men and not really pushing back and saying, listen, that's not what we're looking for. I think you're seeing a big push in that direction right now from men, because they're like, well, I'm not finding any women out there that I can actually Respect that are going to have a lot of these properties and qualities. We talk about for me like a biblically based woman. Woman, right. Very hard to find. But for so long they just went along with it.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

So I wish guys would do better at, at just finding women of character. And I think time sometimes, especially at the younger ages, time is a good indicator. Dating for a while, really see how they, how they react both ways. Like see how they react in difficult situations and then you're going to have a much better understanding. But I, I want to, I want to make sure that guys are empowered by this too. But also just know like, hey, you don't have to settle. Just because somebody's hot does not mean that that's gonna make a great wife. Oh yeah, stop thinking that way.

[Myron Gaines]

I'll take it a step further. I tell guys literally you need to get with girls that are more average. Like if for a long term relationship. Like the hot girls, I'll tell you, being in Miami, having a few of them myself, they're fucking useless. And, and the reason why the hot girls are useless because they've never had to be useful and they've gotten by on looks, they've gone by on their looks for a very long time. So the most beautiful women tend to be liabilities versus being assets. So I told guys when it comes to like your serious girlfriend and your wife, you're probably going to end up, even if you're a top tier guy marrying or getting with a girl long term, that's like a five, six, maybe seven at the highest level because like, you know, a 10 is like damn near doesn't exist. A nine is like, you know, Victoria's Secret supermodel, super hot eight, same thing in that realm. And these women tend to be what I call like you know, monetized type chicks. Right. Where they've had super rich boyfriends or maybe had a sugar daddy in the past or they've never had to really work hard for anything in their life. So these women are horrible to have as like your long term partner. The women that are more ground grounded and down to earth and maybe might be more God fearing or understand, you know, their role as a woman. They're, they're going to be, tend to be like more average looking and there's nothing wrong with that. Like the hottest girl.

[Host]

Well there's a lot wrong with that. But the worst part of it is now you have like these, these buzz cutted chain gang leading lesbians who have an ugly soul. Also like they didn't get the memo. It's like, wait, hold on a second. You're ugly. You have to be really nice.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

Like, that's what. That's.

[Myron Gaines]

Blame Instagram for that one personality's all you have. Yeah, Instagram and social media mess it up.

[Host]

Cause, like, oh, remember, you remember that one?

[Gerald]

Yes.

[Host]

The girl who you dated and she. You got catfished.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, yeah.

[Gerald]

I didn't date her. I went on a date.

[Host]

I remember. He just goes, can I tell the story? He was with me and he was, like, talking with a girl online. And I just see him, and I just see Gerald looking at his phone. I remember your face.

[Gerald]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Host]

I go, what? He goes. He goes, this look like the same person. I was like, oh, my God. And it's like. And he felt bad. He's like, but she's nice. I'm like, jill, you don't need to feel bad because that's a lie. That's not the same as the previous picture.

[Myron Gaines]

According to. If the roles reverse, she would have said you sexually assaulted her.

[Gerald]

That's true. But I didn't.

[Host]

Yeah, that was the other one.

[Myron Gaines]

But no, that never happened.

[Gerald]

What are you talking about?

[Myron Gaines]

What are you talking. Some girls will look at it like if. Let's say you hook up with a girl and you told her you're a lawyer.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

But then she works, finds out that you worked out. No, it's the same thing. It could be considered, like, grape or, you know. Well.

[Host]

Oh, yeah. Because it's under false pretense. Yeah, that's what they will say.

[Myron Gaines]

She assault. She sexually assaulted you, man.

[Gerald]

That's why I was wondering. There was one girl that walked in, and I'd swear this is the only time in my dating existence where I ever almost got up and walked out without saying a word, right past her.

[Myron Gaines]

Was she. Was she fat or was she ugly?

[Gerald]

She was a deuce. Deuce and a half.

[Host]

What?

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Host]

Why don't I know this story?

[Gerald]

So, and. And listen, you know, she.

[Host]

She.

[Gerald]

Her picture, you know, you. You dating dating apps, you see pictures of somebody. And I was like, okay. And then she came in and she was nowhere in the. The ballpark of that. And I was like. And I, I. It wasn't, like, too gross or was she.

[Myron Gaines]

Or her face just wasn't as hot.

[Gerald]

No, she was just very fat and not very fat.

[Host]

So much meaner. When he said earnestly, like you say, it's like, ah, it's part of the course. No, no, she was very fat. She was.

[Gerald]

Myron, let me Tell you?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, I'm the whale.

[Gerald]

And I was just like, it wasn't literally, I had pity afterwards, but it wasn't because I thought I was going to be. Oh, it's like, oh, she's ugly. It was like she just lied about everything. I have no respect for that. And so I. I literally went like this and I was like, I have to listen. I have to be a standup guy. I'm going to do this, I'm going to be nice and I'm going to tell her at the end of this, if she tries to message me or something like that, I'm going to tell her, listen, like, you're not representing yourself accurately here. That picture was taken in high school, I think.

[Host]

Did you tell her?

[Gerald]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.

[Host]

I don't. I don't remember. I know you're the guest, but I want to hear you told her. How did she react? What happened?

[Gerald]

I don't think I told her on the date. I think afterwards she messaged me or something like that and I was like, listen, like, you just. You didn't represent what's actually going on here. You just need to be honest.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

So.

[Host]

And I delete my dicks.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Well, I was gonna say, like, what he did. So this speaks volumes to, like, how men and women approach things. So, like, men are taught do what's right. Women are taught do what's right for you. So, like, yeah, you went there.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

She didn't look like her pictures, etc. But you still, you know, endured it to a degree and, you know, were polite. If the roles were reversed, she wouldn't even have given you a chance.

[Host]

No.

[Myron Gaines]

Like, women are way faster at, like, getting rid of and cutting men.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

And disqualifying them. I actually, I'll take it a step further. I think when women are dating and, or, you know, especially whether, whether dating apps or the Internet, they're looking for something to disqualify you. Meanwhile, men are looking for something to qualify them. We completely go, like, guys will overlook their bad habits. Women will highlight that and be like, oh, well, I don't know if I can do this. Guy, whatever. So women are always looking to disqualify us. But, like, men don't.

[Host]

Yeah. I had. The closest thing I had was they have more options. I had. I date. Went on a date with a girl and it was like a Christian dating website. This is a while ago.

[Myron Gaines]

Christian Mangle.

[Gerald]

Mangle.

[Host]

No, it was Christian jingle. I don't know. I don't know. There was a fish on It. And plenty of fish. Then I've never. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. This lady had consumed. This was. She was my white whale. Because what happened was. Now, to be clear, like, I've been very straightforward. Like, I'm kind of what people would consider boy scout. I've never been in a nightclub in my life. I've been comedy clubs. Never once. Pubs, bars, with friends, but just not something that I wouldn't even know what it is, except this. So I went on a date with her. She was overweight. There's a bunch of her friends, and we had talked about. So she knew what I was about. And it was a nightclub. And I just, like, I'm gonna. There's a. Like, a diner across the street. I'm just gonna hang out there. And I'm like, you know, we can talk when you get out. Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

So I first date was a nightclub.

[Host]

Yeah. And I didn't go.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

And she came out with her friend, and her friend was drunk and obnoxious, and she was obviously embarrassed by it, but I'm not gonna lie, because she was portly. And I felt like she had misrepresented this and put me in a situation that I didn't want to be in. It was kind of like when you. The black and white and gray issues. And I just like, let me just frag this. I'm like, why do you fight in packs? I did the same thing where a friend was sitting there. I was like, I want this to end. I said, so is your friend always this big of a. Or is it just when she drinks?

[Myron Gaines]

Oh.

[Host]

And she's like, what? I was like, I'm going to see myself out. Does that work for everybody?

[Myron Gaines]

I love it.

[Host]

And then she still, like, followed up afterwards. Like, I'm sorry, do you want. I'm like, no. Did you not get the message? But it's a lie. That is the issue.

[Myron Gaines]

And not only that, the fact that you were able to check her and, like, this is unacceptable, and you walked out. That's a huge demonstration of higher value. She's like, holy crap. No one's ever done this to me before. I need to hit this guy back up.

[Host]

Yeah. Well, then I just didn't.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, of course.

[Host]

Of course. That's.

[Myron Gaines]

She. But she knew that she was out of it because, like, when a guy's, like, able to get up and walk away from a woman, that's rare to them. Like, girls almost never get rejected.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Myron Gaines]

So, like, true. And that's where I want guys to be. It's like, where it's like you can literally walk away anytime. And that's the only way I've realized that women respect you.

[Host]

Yeah, well, and I had no, I had 82 Datsun at this point in time without a driver's side window. It was a long beach. I was poor as could be, but I realized that wealthy girls, it was a, was a novelty to them. They're like, oh, let me slum around with this poor guy.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

For a while. Like, can I drive your Datsun? I'm like, you don't know how to start it correctly. So. But no, I agree with you on a lot on this front. And then I think you add a sense of duty. Let me ask you this though. Yeah. So a couple things and we'll probably get to your comments on Hitler, but.

[Gerald]

We don't have to.

[Host]

But you're Muslim.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes.

[Host]

So I know you don't drink.

[Myron Gaines]

No.

[Host]

But how do you reconcile the, the, the, the, the sleep the woman around? Yeah. Like, how do you go like, I won't touch gin, but my syphilitic dick. I know you don't, but I'm just saying, like, you've been very straightforward, that you have a, you've had a lot of ladies.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So look, I'm not a practicing Muslim. I could do better, I should do better. But you know, for me, I just look at it like, okay, when I give this advice, a lot of times it's from a secular position to deal with the new, new normal of women.

[Host]

Okay.

[Myron Gaines]

So I try to be as pragmatic about that as I can be. And you know, obviously a lot of people, whether it's, you know, Muslims, Christians, the Jews, hate me for other reasons. But you know, when they're critical of me. Yeah, when they're critical of me, it's typically about this thing about you tell guys to go out there and sleep well with women. I'm like, look, I tell guys to understand women and I understand that a necessary component is to not allow sex to control you. Which for a lot of guys, they got, as you said earlier, so their wild oats and be able to get, get a hold of this problem and be under control of it. For a lot of guys, it's going to mean being experienced with women now getting there, you know, might not be the best way, but I'd rather the guy get there, have this understanding, not be blue pilled.

[Host]

Right.

[Myron Gaines]

And you know, be in a position of authority where they can now find a girl and identify these women that, you know, might be God fearing. Or might be Christian or might be a devout Muslim or whatever. It may be where they came from, a strong family. Because a lot of guys can't identify this stuff unless they get their hand burned on the stove, unfortunately. And I'm hoping that my information can help, you know, decrease the learning curve.

[Host]

It's kind of a secular prescription for what should already be a biblical truth. I mean, the Bible, like, this is something that women get mad about, but it says it both ways. Like, you are not to deny your husband, period. Yeah, sending husband. You are not to deny your wife. In other words, if we followed that, it could not be used as a manipulative tool. Unfortunately, the secular laws that we have in this country, and no fault, it's now enabled, combined with a lie. It's almost a modern version of Eve's deception where she was deceived and so she deceived Adam. Where it's like, hey, I bought into the lie. Hyper promiscuity. And then I'm going to deceive and go to the Christian singles group once I've done that. And that happens a lot.

[Myron Gaines]

And they're able to do. And they're able to do this with impunity. And, you know, religion fixed a lot of these problems. Like, I look at it like religion, right? Used to religion shame the family. It used to keep women in check. It used to contain this, this hypergamy, what I. What we call, like open hypergamy now, me and Rolo Tomasi call open hypergamy where, like, girls are basically advertising themselves to the whole world to try to get the best guy that they can get. Religion took away the worst sides of female nature because it's like, oh, you want to be a 304 and have a bunch of boyfriends or whatever, we're going to shame you. Oh, you want to be a slut? Well, we're not going to be able to find a husband later on. So, like, we had all these things, these conventions to kind of fix the tamper on this problem. But with modernity and the degradation of religion and, you know, shame and everything else like that, because that's what feminism is. I always look at feminism. Feminism, the main thing with feminism was about removing shame from female behavior. Whether it's the shame of putting off a family and having children to pursue a career, or them being promiscuous and removing that shame. What feminism has really been created for, well, they said it's about equality, but the reality is it's about superiority and not being accountable for bad decisions. That Women make. That's the. That's the crutch of feminism. And that's. And that's why I think it's led to so many problems and why women behave the way that they do. So I just kind of try to, you know, get guys geared up for this new normal that we have where, look, you're going to go into this relationship, you're going to have all this responsibility, make sure you have the authority too. Because most guys go in there thinking like, oh, yeah, she can have authority as well. No, mother, she's. You're not held to the same standard that you're held to a way higher standard that she is. Society tells you that guys are held to the same standard, but it's not, because when you lose your job, she's gonna, you know, put the shot clock on and, you know, time's gonna be ticking.

[Host]

She's become accustomed to a lifestyle and divorce Courtney. And you know what?

[Myron Gaines]

And society tells her not to put up with this stuff, too. Yeah, it tells them like, you know, I always say, you know. You know, men will. Men will sacrifice their happiness for their family. Women will sacrifice their family for their happiness.

[Host]

Statistically, that's a reality. And it goes back to, you know, you talked about this. I mean, Gerald, you know this. I mean, because if I say it, people be like, he doesn't know the Bible. So just take it from Gerald. Gerald. Who's judged at. Who's judge of the throne of God?

[Gerald]

The man.

[Host]

Man. Is the woman judged? No, not for the leadership of the family. So that is a spiritual truth. I don't know what Halloween 3 Abramic religion. That's why I refer to Muslims as. I'll get to the analogy in a little bit similar. Yeah, yeah, it's. But yeah, it's like you will be judged as the man. And so that was. You let her drive. What? It was leading me into the question of. I want to sort of have you do a thought exercise, play devil's advocate. Because you talk about keeping women in line. Okay, sure. Outside of deeply rooted faith, what keeps men in line? Or if you're going to make the case, put your hat on. How do you make the case for what you're spousing? Because I believe it truly is better for all involved. But to women, where they don't recoil, because we do need to do that as well. It shouldn't have to be. It should be a moral truth. But how would you make the case to women? Like, hey, what I'm saying actually will make for A more loving relationship and environment where you'll be happier.

[Myron Gaines]

Okay, so, like, why following your man and everything else is going to make them.

[Host]

Yeah. Why your prescription is actually good. Better for women than what they're currently living.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, yeah. Well, it's because, I mean, any woman that works a job, you know, most Americans hate their jobs, right? And this is going to obviously include women. I would say, like, you know, being with a guy, because I'm a big proponent of the man needs to be the breadwinner. Women should be working from an elective standpoint, not a mandatory standpoint. She should be prioritizing the kids. And, you know, if women follow what.

[Host]

I agree on all fronts.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, I think, you know, if you're gonna go ahead and be the shot caller and the boss, that we're not going 5050 on anything. You also have a role on your side where if you're gonna tell them, make that sandwich. Well, that sandwich needs to be paid for by you with all the ingredients in the house. Right?

[Host]

Right.

[Myron Gaines]

So I'm. I'm a true believer like you.

[Host]

Man your battle stations.

[Myron Gaines]

Yes, I, I.

[Host]

Yes, sir. You get it. Because you're on a team.

[Myron Gaines]

Precisely. So you can't sit there and tell her, oh, you need to do xyz, but you're a loser yourself. This is why I say 35 years old, make six figures a year, have these things in place so that you can be that entry level, higher status guy where she will has she can respect you. I look at po women. I use a Pokemon analogy a lot of the time, so I might be, you know, I don't know if you guys are familiar with Pokemon, but you need to have gym bags.

[Gerald]

We have a version of it that we're familiar with, but Go Pokemon or racial slur.

[Host]

It's a game you'll play with us.

[Myron Gaines]

Okay.

[Host]

It's hilarious.

[Myron Gaines]

What are the blacks called?

[Host]

No, no, it's just, we don't know.

[Gerald]

We don't know.

[Host]

They'll give us a name or something.

[Myron Gaines]

Or the black.

[Host]

The Japanese are very racist.

[Myron Gaines]

No pay rent. Yeah, yeah, they definitely don't. I, I could tell you that. Holy. I'm a real estate investor too. Every time I got evict, someone's a black woman. Every time. The Shaniquas don't want to pay their goddamn rent.

[Host]

Okay, but now make the case to Shaniqua.

[Myron Gaines]

Sorry. Yes. So, Shaniqua, the reason why you need to stick with Jamal, okay, is because if Jamal's not a idiot, he's gonna pay all the bills take care of you, allow you to be in your feminine. When you're in your feminine, you're just gonna naturally be more happy and you don't have to really think about anything of that's too serious. Right. You're focusing more about like, oh, what drapes are gonna look good versus oh man, I got to pay the rent. This sucks. So I think with women, you know, if they follow my advice and they find that guy that's a provider and protector and everything else like that, they're just naturally going to be happier because they don't have to worry about all the, you know, ills of, you know, competing in the modern world, earning an income. And then life is getting harder, inflation is going crazy, things are getting more expensive. The dollar doesn't have the same value did back pre Covid. So I think it behooves them to be a woman, find a guy that can take care of them. Obviously if you want to work, you can do that too. But it's got to be from an elective standpoint and if your guy's okay with it and focus on having a family. Man, I think we've lied to them a lot telling them like, oh yeah, pursue a career and make a bunch of money.

[Host]

I think you have to make a choice.

[Myron Gaines]

You have to make a choice.

[Host]

And we don't have a choice. Men don't have a choice. Yeah, I had that conversation with.

[Myron Gaines]

And if they want to pursue a career later, sure. Have your kids, have your family, you know, get that out the way. And then when the kids are out of school, you can still pursue.

[Host]

That's important too, because that's a big lie where feminists will say that and women weren't able to work. That's not true. They were nurses. They would go to school, they would do it after the kids were raised, which makes a whole lot more sense. They wouldn't do it.

[Gerald]

Small side job or something like that. From the house.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Or full time careers.

[Host]

Once they were empty.

[Gerald]

Now, I mean, while the kids, my mom did the same thing. That's what they've gotten so wrong. Like women have the ability to do something amazing that men don't have the ability to do. That's birth life and care for life in ways that we're not really built to do. And you've traded that in something that gave fulfillment and purpose to Life for a 9 to 5.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

And, and that is a crazy trade.

[Myron Gaines]

It's appropriate. So it's like, yeah, it's. And no, it's no wonder these like feminists and these girls that are super educated and you know, make money. They're depressing. They cry themselves asleep at night because they may make might make a hundred thousand dollars a month because they're maybe only fans daughter. They make a bunch of money doing what xyz but or six figures a year, it doesn't matter because they still got to go to sleep at night every day by themselves. And for women, women are people people, right? Like men were interested in things, they're interested in in people. So if they don't have that family, they don't have that relationship, they're going to get sad. And the biggest thing I tell women is like, and this is where we need to like really tell them. You have a clock on this. This whole Sheryl Sandberg of, you know, date the bad boys, pursue your career, have fun in your 20s and then go ahead and have kids later on. This is a failed system. It's a Jewish system by the way too. But here we go.

[Host]

Yeah, but you're the best. You're the bad boy.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, this is true. But then we just throw them away after on the side of the road. But that like that, you know, all jokes. I'd like, they need to focus on like having the family while they still can. Yeah, then you can always do the career later. But we inverse to tell them oh yeah, no have the kids later on and the next thing you know, they're not fertile. They're spending prioritizing our kids. What are we doing?

[Gerald]

Like of course we're gonna have a worse society if mom and dad both just drop the kids off with a bunch of liberal blue haired feminists at daycare in School for 18 plus years of their life.

[Myron Gaines]

The crazy part is like when I go to college campuses, for example, we could discuss this too. This is what I tell the women. They're like, well what do you expect us to do? I'm like, look, I'm not saying don't go to school. I understand inflation's a thing. I understand a double income household is like damn near necessary. I'm a pragmatist. So this is what it is. Go to school, try to find your man while you're in school, try to have a family if you need to work. Right. Hopefully you don't have to. But if you need to work, that's fine. But start to take the gas, take the foot off the pedal and focus on having a family member or a guy that can take care of you. And that should be your Priority.

[Host]

Well, I had this conversation, and this is a problem too, is the COVID feminism on the right, where I had a woman who we worked alongside and she was halfway there where she would go, you know, the feminist thing, just a lie, where they just say, you can have it all. She goes, you can have it all in the career. She goes, you can't. She goes, you can't. And that's. It's a choice. And that's the big lie. And I said, yeah, must be nice to have a choice. She said, what? I said, men don't have a choice. We know from. I knew the moment that I thought Cameron Diaz and the mask was hot, that that was my first big crush. Aside from my she Hulk card. I knew she Hulk card because it was an actual person. They just like, did like a hologram. And I was like, I got very comfortable, but I knew, oh, if I want a lady of my own, my dad was like, well, you're gonna have to work and you have to provide for them. In other words, it was a given. It wasn't. Or you could be a stay at home dad. So I said, it must be nice to have a choice. And I think to go, you had a Pokemon analogy, Aladdin. It's, you want to be the world's most powerful genie and everything that comes alone along with it, right? And the shackles, the women go, no, I don't want to put you in shackles. The man who works to provide, like you said, a job that he likely hates, he accepts those shackles because it's worth it to have a family to him he doesn't love. You think he wants to get up at 5am at the crack of dawn and go into that job? You think those guys on top of the Empire State Building who are one shaky scaffolding away from them in their lunchbox plummeting down like final deaths. You think they wanted to do that? No, but that's part of the deal. But then women, okay, I want that. And then the second said, yeah, but it comes with this responsibility. These do. No, and you see that on the right. So it's like they're halfway there. It's a covert feminism.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, yeah. No, it's like, you know, I don't want to sound like an asshole. Like, Megyn Kelly is one of these people is like a covert feminist, right? Like, where they're like, you know, on one side, it's like, oh, yeah, conservatism here, blah, blah. But they still have like these feminist tendencies. And like this. And this is What I tell guys is, like, you know, women that are very successful, they're going to be masculine to a degree. They're going to be not agreeable. Because to make money, you have to have these certain traits, right? Being a type, personally not agreeable. You know, working really hard. We're spending a lot of hours. It's going to be very difficult for you to do both. Have that career that you want while also having a family. So. And then also the A type personality, guys that they're attracted to are not going to want this. I don't want to date myself. I'm good like that. And I think we just need to tell women more that, look, focus on the family. Sure, you can go to school and do all this other stuff, but, like, while you're still young, focus on the family. Make that your number one thing. But young women now are more. And I wrote a whole book about this, why women deserve less. Because they do. It's less than 100 pages, too, because they deserve less. But in the book, it was written for women.

[Host]

It's a guidebook for women.

[Myron Gaines]

It's really for men, but, like, it's a kind of educated woman could read if they want, but.

[Host]

Okay. All right, well, then I don't know why you made it 100 pages, because I don't start up. What is this? Goosebumps?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah, pretty much. But. But yeah, I tried to R.L. stein, but he's a Jew as well, but.

[Host]

Oh, my God. You're gonna tell me you didn't like Goosebumps growing up?

[Myron Gaines]

It was a good book. Of course it was a good book. Yeah. Books there. But, yeah, like. Like having kids is like, number four on the list for them. It's like traveling, making money, career. These are all, like, for modern women. Like, men are like a distant, like, 6, 7, 8th place.

[Gerald]

It didn't used to be that way, though.

[Myron Gaines]

I think it should be number one. Yeah, precisely. Everything else should be done. You could do what you want to do, do all the other crap, but actively looking for a guy. But the problem is that women aren't actively looking. And I'll take it a step further. Not only are they not actively looking, they don't think that they need to perform for that guy. So let's say they do meet a guy that they like. They feel like, oh, he should want me and pursue me. Like, I don't need to do any of this stuff. Like, he's got to work for me. And that couldn't be further from the truth, because they'll Meet a guy that they like, they'll play hard to get, they won't do what they're supposed to do. They'll think that, oh, let me just be a combative because like I'm educated and witty just like him and let's go ahead and have this stupid ass banter. But what they don't realize is like a lot of guys don't like that. That especially successful guys, they don't want.

[Host]

To come home to an Aaron Sorkin script.

[Gerald]

It's true.

[Host]

Like it's enough just they want you. Just saying you want me to be nice. Yes. Pleasant. Yes. And by the way, of course it's great. I find it if a woman has a smart ass mouth and it's hilarious. Great. Good. But as long as you know you are in the same, you're on the same team and it's a support structure. And the truth is what men do, it's often like, well, you're just out there working with your buddies. If you happen to have a friend at work used against you, like, well, it must be nice. I'm stuck here. Yeah, but you can do whatever you want. Yeah, right. So it's like that guy doesn't want to go to that job and that is work for the family. But since it's outside of the house, it's often seen as that's his time. And when he comes home now it's our time. It's like, no, no, that's actually not his time. And I think that's a big thing where you have men checking out because they're going, well, I don't want to have time to the man, my boss, and then my time's never my own when I get back home. Sometimes men just want to be alone.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah.

[Host]

And that's okay.

[Myron Gaines]

Do whatever you want to do. And like, and like the reason why we have like these cameras and you know, the electricity, all these innovations, this comes from men. There's the reason why men create so much and you know, continuously innovate, etc is because a lot of the times that guy had a family, had to support.

[Host]

Yep.

[Myron Gaines]

That guy, that guy understood his sexual market value was contingent upon him being able to create something. So all these innovations, a lot of times and creations that we have, it was created by men because they had a family to support. So you know, when women understand that their position is to be to augment the man, not necessarily be the center for the man, it becomes a lot better. And like those guys, like you said, they were taking those risks building the Empire State Building. And what you said 14 months or something wild like that?

[Host]

It was something like 10 months or it was 13, depending on the metric.

[Myron Gaines]

Less than two years.

[Host]

Yeah. Less than a year and a half.

[Myron Gaines]

Those were all guys that were probably married. They had a family to go support, and they went ahead and they were willing to put them. Their lives on the line like that, literally. And to. To. To bring back a check to take care of their women.

[Host]

Yeah. No, you're. You're absolutely right. It's. They don't want to be doing it.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. And I think that's why so many guys now are losers is because they don't feel like they have anything to perform for. If, like, men, we're simple, right. We could have a mattress on the floor, one tv, just chill, whatever. Right. We've all done it. Yes. Young guys that are, you know, or guys when they're single. But, like, once a guy gets a family or has something to really work for, that would take even one of the laziest guys and get them to be like, okay, you know what? I probably need to step it up now. I got someone that. I got people that depend on me.

[Host]

Oh, and that. And by the way, you see it rear its head where it drives women nuts. I had this recently with my late tool man knows. I'm talking about that flashlight that we have that doubles as both a flat flashlight and a lantern. Oh, boy, this is awesome. Flashlight. I'll show it to Devil's is like, you can. It turns night into day, but then you can flip a switch, and it's like a lantern that'll light a room. So it's not concentrated, but it comes with a holster. And I found out I could mount it to the side of my bed. I'm like, I don't need a lamp. Yeah, I got this flashlight just connect. And she was like, no, you're not gonna like. Cause it DRI think it drives women nuts because, like, oh, he would be fine with this. He would be fine with this by himself. In other words, I need to bring some. Because he is so okay with some things that I want as my base level. He doesn't need. Okay. This is a different dynamic. I need to know what it is that he actually wants and expects. Because we materialists, men like stuff. We just. We're fine with very little.

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. Yeah, we are. We really are like men are. We don't need much to be happy. We need very little. And it's crazy, like, how women just don't understand this and think we want all this other crap. No, we're not as picky as you guys. And. And the thing that sucks is that since we're not picky, we can find another girl. If you're not going to align with our. You know what we need. And that's another thing that women don't understand is that we don't. There's not as. You know, there's way less. You know, Kanye west famously said this, right? There's a thousand you. There's only one of me. Like, and when you're a higher status guy, you're more attractive or whatever. We don't need much to be happy. They do. So this is why they need to comply or goodbye. Yeah, that's another thing. A tip I'll tell women is like, the higher standards are. The more you want out of your guy, the more he's not. The more you need to be realistic about where you stand with that guy. If you want the top guy, you are no longer the prize. He is. And you got to treat him like that.

[Host]

Did you just Dead name? Yee. You said Kanye.

[Myron Gaines]

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. My bad.

[Host]

Yeah. Come on, man.

[Myron Gaines]

AKA the furor.

[Host]

He changed it.

[Myron Gaines]

The Black Fear.

[Host]

Yeah. Come on, man. Show some. Put some respect.

[Gerald]

He wouldn't have lasted long in Hitler's Germany, though.

[Host]

Yeah, no, he would not. Oh, he's just like in heaven. What happened? Which by. Okay, by the way, because we're gonna continue talking about this. If you are not a Rumble Premium member, by the way, of course you can watch Fit and Fresh. Fit and. Or Fresh on Rumble and on X and on kick, 8pm Eastern. Is that every weekday?

[Myron Gaines]

Yeah. So I do my show, Myron Gaines X the Debrief. I do that every single day at 7pm Eastern. And then I do Fresh and Fit. Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 8 to 8:30 start time for like, you know, the day show. We do. And then we do the girls at 11pm Monday, Wednesday, Friday, you do the girls at 11 after.

[Gerald]

That's how they've done. 4,000 women after hours.

[Host]

Well, we're going to continue and discuss this. His real thoughts on Hitler.

[Myron Gaines]

Sure.

[Host]

Enjoy it. We'll be just stay here.