Why Does The Left Love Luigi Mangione and Hate Daniel Penny?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder – "Why Does The Left Love Luigi Mangione and Hate Daniel Penny?"

Introduction

In the December 10, 2024 episode of "Louder with Crowder," host Steven Crowder delves into a contentious topic: the contrasting treatment of two individuals by the media and the political left. The episode, titled "Why Does The Left Love Luigi Mangione and Hate Daniel Penny?", features guests Councilwoman Vicki Palladino from New York and Reverend Al Sharpton. Together, they explore the narratives surrounding Daniel Penny—a Marine acquitted in the death of Jordan Neely—and Luigi Mangione, alleged shooter of the United Healthcare CEO, highlighting perceived biases and systemic issues.

Case Comparisons: Daniel Penny vs. Luigi Mangione

Crowder opens the discussion by outlining the stark differences in how Daniel Penny and Luigi Mangione are portrayed by the left. Daniel Penny, a Marine who intervened in a subway altercation leading to the death of Jordan Neely, has been vilified despite his intent to protect. Conversely, Luigi Mangione, accused of shooting a healthcare CEO, has garnered admiration and support from left-leaning circles.

Media Bias and Left's Narrative

A central theme of the episode is the alleged media bias favoring Luigi Mangione over Daniel Penny. Crowder argues that the left's narrative is heavily influenced by race, leading to the vilification of Penny—who is white—in contrast to the praise for Mangione, who represents a negative stereotype associated with marginalized communities.

"The left will always say that this is a byproduct of systemic racism. They cannot pivot from that," Crowder states [16:02].

Systemic Racism and the Justice System

The conversation shifts to broader systemic issues, particularly focusing on racism within the justice system. Crowder posits that cases like Penny's are indicative of a flawed system that fails to deliver justice equitably across racial lines. He critiques the leniency shown towards perpetrators from marginalized groups while harsh punishments are meted out to individuals like Penny.

Reverend Al Sharpton adds to the discussion, emphasizing the ongoing struggles of black Americans within the justice system. However, Crowder challenges Sharpton's interpretations, suggesting that the narratives constructed by activists often exacerbate divisions.

Reality vs. Left's Portrayal

Crowder asserts that the left's portrayal of events is not only biased but also detached from reality. He contends that the media selectively highlights information that supports their agenda, ignoring critical facts that could alter public perception.

"If Daniel Penny was black and Jordan Neely was white, the narrative would be completely different," Crowder remarks [35:35].

Guest Perspectives: Vicki Palladino and Reverend Al Sharpton

Councilwoman Vicki Palladino provides her insights, criticizing the current Democratic leadership in New York and attributing systemic failures to policies implemented by figures like Andrew Cuomo. She underscores the detrimental effects of bail reform and the closure of mental health facilities, linking these to increased violence and inadequate support for vulnerable populations.

Reverend Al Sharpton briefly shares his perspective but faces criticism from Crowder for misrepresenting facts and for the aggressive stance taken against white Americans.

"Black lives matter, even if they assault them," Sharpton states, prompting Crowder's rebuttal [47:18].

Conclusions and Insights

Crowder concludes the episode by reiterating his belief in significant left-wing biases that perpetuate racial injustices. He emphasizes the need for accountability and a reevaluation of how justice is administered, arguing for equitable treatment regardless of race. The hosts advocate for empowering citizens to protect themselves and criticize the left for fostering divisive narratives that hinder genuine progress.

"We need a culture of fear and shame where you're afraid to commit that crime because you may be choked out," Crowder declares [31:10].

Notable Quotes

• Steven Crowder [16:02]: "The left will always say that this is a byproduct of systemic racism. They cannot pivot from that."

• Steven Crowder [35:35]: "If Daniel Penny was black and Jordan Neely was white, the narrative would be completely different."

• Reverend Al Sharpton [47:18]: "Black lives matter, even if they assault them."

• Steven Crowder [31:10]: "We need a culture of fear and shame where you're afraid to commit that crime because you may be choked out."

• Vicki Palladino [22:10]: "Black lives do not matter to America. Black people don't mean anything to white America."

Final Thoughts

This episode of "Louder with Crowder" underscores ongoing debates about media bias, racial justice, and the efficacy of the American justice system. Through a critical lens, Crowder and his guests challenge prevailing narratives, urging listeners to question the motivations behind media portrayals and to advocate for a more balanced and equitable approach to justice.

Transcript

[Steven Crowder]

Hey there, audio listener. Fancy seeing hearing, talking to you here. If you want to leave a rating and review, that helps with the algorithm, which hates us anyway. But if you're not yet a Rumble Premium member, that is where you get the full extended show. Today we go on for like an hour with Vicki Palladino. There are like five sign offs. I couldn't get rid of her. Not that I wanted to get rid of her. She's a lot of fun. She even was. I won't tell you who, but she calls one of the Cuomo brothers a schmuck. So consider joining Rebel Premium or there will be no more audio. Enjoy the show. Glad to be with you. I just. I just had an idea as we were watching that intro. I have to write it down. Okay. Otherwise I'll forget whenever it hits you. Yeah. Because, you know, I require a paper. It's a wiener. That's what I drew. Now, we have a lot to get today. We do have Councilwoman Vicki Palladin from New York on the show. We also have the Reverend Al Sharpton on the show.

[Gerald Morgan]

Wow. Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

Later on. And the reason we have them on is because we're going to be comparing Daniel Penny versus Luigi Mangione. Is it Mangione or Mengioni?

[Gerald Morgan]

I think it's Mengione. I don't know.

[Steven Crowder]

Murderer who will spend his life in prison, the treatment from the media and exactly how they are trying to paint these situations and why it's not going to work. Comment below if you do you feel that it's not 2020, it's not 28, it's not 2016 anymore. The black Lives Matter hoax is done. And I mean that, by the way, it seems to be the case with black Americans as well. You guys feel it? So we're gonna be talking about that quite a bit. And because we're dealing with, you know, the deaths of individuals in one case, a murder, in one case, a rightful defense. If you're watching on YouTube, you may @ some point see this. Head on over to Rumble. It's a live show, weekdays, 10am Eastern, including Friday. If you are a member of Rumble Premium. Captain Morgan, CEO. You gave me the throat thing.

[Gerald Morgan]

I don't think I did.

[Steven Crowder]

You did.

[Gerald Morgan]

No, you don't sound like it.

[Steven Crowder]

How are you? I don't care. I hope that you wear this sickness for the rest of your days.

[Gerald Morgan]

It wasn't me.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, it was. You feeling better, though?

[Gerald Morgan]

I am feeling a little bit better. My voice is still a little wonky, but yeah. Are you feeling okay?

[Steven Crowder]

I Have? Yeah, I just, you know, I had a fever. Crazy, like, spiked out of nowhere yesterday and then went away.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And now I just have. It's been going around this office. I just think there's something going around. Everyone's immune system has been messed up the last three months. I don't know what it is. And I just get just the tip of it, which is why I have your throat thing. And Josh Firestein, when you hear this, you know him, you Love him. Saturday, December 21st Bricktown Comedy Club. Go support live comedy Jay fierstein.com. how are you, sir?

[Josh Firestein]

Pretty good. Pretty good. I'm not. I didn't get just a tip. Gerald gave me the whole thing.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

I woke up with a sore throat, too. I think it's because of my sinuses. I got that clear. I washed my nose this morning.

[Steven Crowder]

I feel better. It does. Well, I think that's why I've had, like, the fever, but I don't get the nasal congestion because this clears it out. So I'm still able to breathe and be here with you, but I will lose my voice by the end of the day. By the end of the day, I may sound like this idiot and there's no other way to describe this person. We're going to go through the entire kind of ins and outs of Daniel Penny and the media. The media malpractice, honestly. And certainly the left's malpractice in comparison to the shooter of the United Healthcare CEO. But I wanted to separate this because it's so moronic. And it's not just that it's really dumb. But I always find great pleasure in when you can actually see the moment and you see this with aoc, that they realize they've screwed up and talked themselves into a corner and there's no way out. You can see as the words leave her mouth that she's going, oh, no, I just made the case against myself. How do I turn it around? It's the dumbest response we have seen. Seen to the hero Daniel Penny, who tried to protect his fellow citizen. Here is aoc. See if you can spot the moment. He said that he wouldn't. He would do it again if necessary.

[Vicki Palladino]

If there was a present threat.

[Steven Crowder]

What do you make of the comments?

[Vicki Palladino]

You know, doesn't that.

[Josh Firestein]

I just feel like that that tells us everything. If we do not want violence on our subways. And the point of our justice system.

[Steven Crowder]

Is the level of accountability to prevent a person who does not have rem. Wow, There it is. Pause. If we want to have a. If we want to stop violence on our subways. Uh huh. And our system is to have a level account of accountability for people who do not feel remorse. Oh, no, I thought you meant people who, like, kidnap kids, who punch old people, you know, like Neely. People who commit violent assaults. Yeah, yeah. If we want to stop violence in the subway, then we need to empower American citizens to stop violence on the subway. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's that he doesn't feel remorse for stopping violence on the subway. You are a special kind of moron. Aoc. Let's continue to the end. Lies.

[Vicki Palladino]

I mean, even people who have engaged.

[Josh Firestein]

In manslaughter or have taken a life accidentally express remorse. And so the fact that a person has. May express no remorse indicates that there's.

[Steven Crowder]

A risk that it may happen again. Ah.

[Gerald Morgan]

What?

[Steven Crowder]

There's a risk that it may happen.

[Gerald Morgan]

Again or they were right in the first place.

[Josh Firestein]

Repeat offenders.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, about 44 times.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly.

[Josh Firestein]

He might protect people again.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, dear. No, let me be really clear here. And I don't know if YouTube's gonna have a problem with this. I hope it happens again and again and again and again. And every time someone who chooses to violate the law and violate the fundamental human rights of their fellow American citizen, that there's a Daniel Penny to step in. I don't hope that people die because of a chokehold that was applied too long. But that was a mistake. There was no crime committed. There was no misdeed committed. I hope that for every violent criminal, every single one in the revolving door, especially in New York, of no cash bail, I hope that they run into Daniel Penney's again and again and again. If I had my preference, it would be every single time. Comment below. It's not 2020. We can say it now. And you know, most people agree.

[Josh Firestein]

And I don't care about their race either. A Darnell Penny. Sure.

[Gerald Morgan]

Right.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Josh Firestein]

Doesn't matter.

[Steven Crowder]

It doesn't matter. It could be a Uyghur for all I care. And I still don't know what that is.

[Gerald Morgan]

Wow.

[Steven Crowder]

No. Chinese. Chinese slaves.

[Gerald Morgan]

That's big of you. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Speaking of. I don't know.

[Josh Firestein]

Speaking of Chinese slaves, Benedict.

[Gerald Morgan]

Oh, no.

[Steven Crowder]

Dedicated a nativity scene in the Vatican for the Christmas season. We have an image, and the scene actually features little Jesus resting on a Palestinian keffiyeh. Oh. So a few problems with this. Jesus was a Jew who lived in Judea, a Roman province. The keffiyeh only became actually associated with Palestine at all. And Palestinian nationalism in the 1960s and under Palestinian rule. This is the big one. The population of Christians in the birthplace of Jesus, Bethlehem. If you guys know all the songs. Well, it's gone from 85% in the 1940s to 10% in 2017, so. And again. Hey, look, Catholic viewers. Listeners, you have a problem with this, too, right? Like, it's not just. This isn't a Protestant, Catholic thing. You're not a fan, I would hope. Although I will say it is better than the Chinese nativity scene that they put up, which. Yeah, it's Donald Trump. Don't trust China.

[Josh Firestein]

China is asshole.

[Steven Crowder]

And I will also tell you, it is way better than the distasteful New York nativity scene that we've seen. It's. Yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

Oh, wow.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, well, New York City, however, the Vatican came up a distant second to the awesome North Korean nativity scene. It's perfect.

[Josh Firestein]

That portrait's in every household in North Korea.

[Gerald Morgan]

Oh, my gosh. Wheelbarrow.

[Steven Crowder]

Jeez. Can you bring that up again? I love that.

[Gerald Morgan]

That's awesome.

[Steven Crowder]

That's a.

[Josh Firestein]

That's a winner. It's great. He has a baby's face.

[Steven Crowder]

He does.

[Josh Firestein]

And a giant eggplant's body.

[Steven Crowder]

Jeez. Oh, man. Imagine. Imagine slathering that body in Myr. Oh, be like a seal in an oil slick.

[Gerald Morgan]

Is the Pope trying to make a statement or something with this? Like, I. I don't understand why you would. The baby Jesus in that. Like, what are you trying to say?

[Steven Crowder]

It's appeasement. It's appeasement.

[Gerald Morgan]

If the Pope is trying to say maybe that the Palestinian people, the people in Gaza and other places like that shouldn't be shooting rockets into Israel, then, hey, I'm all for it. Where are you on that front?

[Steven Crowder]

It's all so tiresome. It's so shallow. People like, well, actually, this is the area. If you read the Bible, like, I don't give a rat's ass. We're not.

[Gerald Morgan]

Shut up.

[Steven Crowder]

We're talking about Hamas. Okay, okay, all right, fine. You win. Queers for Palestine. Go.

[Gerald Morgan]

They didn't even exist until 1948. Okay, let me just grant your premise. It doesn't matter that it's their ancestral homeland, even though, to me, it kind of does.

[Steven Crowder]

You lost the war. Yes.

[Gerald Morgan]

That's what happens. You're lucky we gave you a sliver of anything to be in. When you lose a war, typically, it's bye bye.

[Steven Crowder]

It's a very new phenomenon where people who lose wars get to bitch about it and get a megaphone. It Used to be you were subjugated and you shut up. Hey, by the way, do go to clear. It's spelled xlear.com. use a promo code LWC20. You'll get 20% off your first time order. There's clear, there's spry products. And go and read their science there, you know, as it deactivates rhinovirus. I mean, they even did some studies on Covid which they were allowed to publish. And they were allowed to say that it deactivated Covid in the nasal cavity by 90 something percent. But they weren't allowed to say it on terrestrial radio. Oh, so you can go and read. They've actually paid for some of it.

[Gerald Morgan]

Can you take the tip off this time or are you going to?

[Steven Crowder]

I can take the. Well, it's just because it's green.

[Gerald Morgan]

Let's just see.

[Josh Firestein]

Let's. Let's circumcise that baby.

[Steven Crowder]

I can take it off just like your Christmas bonus is gone. Oh, no, I was going to buy.

[Josh Firestein]

Kefi is with that.

[Steven Crowder]

All right, all right. We got to move on because we do have Paladino on the show. Sorry, Congressman. Councilwoman Paladino on the show.

[Gerald Morgan]

Hey, maybe future.

[Steven Crowder]

Who knows? Who knows? She's very saucy now.

[Gerald Morgan]

She's so funny.

[Steven Crowder]

We know this. We've been covering the story, but yesterday, for those of you who've been living under a rock. But there's new information that's coming out. The suspect in the United Healthcare CEO shooting was the primary suspect. Right now I have to be careful. We don't know if this is the actual killer, though it seems highly likely. Pretty clear name Luigi Mangione was apprehended. And a lot of people are surprised that this person was apprehended. How it all sort of came to be. Though I will say we probably should have known as much considering the leaked audio that was available. It just wasn't widely covered from a bystander of the shooting. I'm a Luigi.

[Josh Firestein]

Here we go.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, yeah. Bingo. Just a note to have our half Asian lawyer ready. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

With what?

[Gerald Morgan]

Mushrooms?

[Steven Crowder]

So, Luigi, here's what we know about this person thus far. And I'm going to tell you this. I don't know that you're going to find an ideology because some people are trying to say this person was clearly left. This person was clearly right. I've been pouring through this and it seems like this may just be someone who was very privileged, who was some kind of an ideologue, because being an ideologue is kind of a Privilege of the wealthy or it's a luxury, I should say, who maybe just snapped. And that's sometimes harder for people to understand. And looking at what we've seen, you know, I said, I don't think this person is primarily concerned with being caught. I still stand by that. If you consider that this person at a McDonald's not all that far away, considering that they could have gotten onto a flight with the weapon in question.

[Josh Firestein]

And on paper, a really smart guy.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, seems like. Well, actually this person was, we also know, a valedictorian. Here's actually a clip from Luigi's graduation speech to his classmates.

[Josh Firestein]

Having great ideas, however, isn't enough to innovate.

[Steven Crowder]

The Class of 2016's inventiveness also stems from its incredible courage to explore the unknown and try new things, like murder. He graduated from UPenn with a master's degree in computer science. He actually apparently had a manifesto on him. So a guy who has a manifesto on him and the weapon, this seems like someone who's okay with being caught. What we do know is this person harbored ill will towards corporate America. That's what the police have said. It seems like this guy is all over the place. And here's what I will say. It's something that's often overlooked. There is a problem with intellectualism in this country. And by that I mean idolizing intellectualism, because you will have people who make that their entire identity. And going through this person's social media posts, through Luigi's social media posts, seeing them respond to Chris Williamson, Andrew Huberman, Peter Thiel, I believe Jordan Peterson as well. There were some comments I saw with Tucker Carlson, but then also taking into account that this person left the review of the Unabomber's manifesto, this person seems primarily concerned with appearing hyperly intelligent. They'll say, well, actually this point about Tucker Carlson, and they will go into a diatribe where they don't seem to have skin in the game. That's what I see with Luigi, but at every opportunity is trying to let people know how much smarter he is than them. Seems like that may be where this guy found his identity. And that can jumble you up because intellect with no moral compass, it doesn't go anywhere good. That's what we know. Here's the review too, from the Univaumer's manifesto from this guy Luigi. He said, it's easy to quickly and thoughtlessly write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies. But it's simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out. Then he did say that the Unobama was rightfully imprisoned. Went on to talk about how you kind of ignore this at your own peril. This seems like a guy who wanted to leave a large footprint online and wanted to leave a legacy, that he was a hyper intellectual. That's the only kind of constant that I see outside of it. Look, person's a murderer.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Person is a murderer.

[Gerald Morgan]

I think you're right. It's unsettling when we can't put it in a box. Like, we don't understand. Like, okay, this guy killed the CEO because he had. I know. There was reports maybe from one of his roommates, that he had back pain. Like crippling back pain or issues with his back.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, surgery.

[Steven Crowder]

All right.

[Gerald Morgan]

That would make. Okay, surgery. Yeah. So that would make more sense. Okay. He was denied coverage. Okay. Now we understand it. We can understand the world. This was a bad person. But here's the situation that drove him to this. It's much more unsettling to go. But we're not really sure.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Gerald Morgan]

You know, we're not really sure what happened in this situation, but I think right now you're probably right. We have to stay kind of outside of this a little bit and say, hey, you can't just box him into, you know, surgery denied or pain and going after a CEO of a healthcare company, maybe. There's a lot more to this.

[Steven Crowder]

One thing that is for sure is the media's handling of this and the left treatment and the left's venerating of this person in comparison to the condemnation of, I believe, a hero, Daniel Penny. Not a hero in that he saved tons of people or he stopped a terrorist attack, but someone who tried to do the right thing. I think the intent here matters. Someone on Twitter. Oh, yeah. Viva Frey made a good point on Twitter, saying, it's been five days, and we know more about Luigi than we do about Matthew Crooks after five months. Weird. Isn't that weird?

[Gerald Morgan]

I don't know that it's weird.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. It's almost like. It's kind of unbelievable. Expected and unsettling, for sure. Yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

You tried to assassinate Donald Trump. Right. Everybody still remembers that. Yeah, everybody still happened.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Gerald Morgan]

Okay, good.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Because of the. Because of the rhetoric from the left that was never ending. Yeah. Okay.

[Gerald Morgan]

Just want to make sure that we.

[Steven Crowder]

Got the Hitler, the guy who wanted to put y'all back in chains and all that stuff.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

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[Gerald Morgan]

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[Steven Crowder]

There's.

[Gerald Morgan]

Oh, the big letters on that, which is stupid. I'm gonna make you sure just to piss Tim off with his stupid criteria with the big X through it. He has like five things that have to be in a movie for it to be a Christmas movie. It's not true.

[Steven Crowder]

I think it's.

[Gerald Morgan]

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[Steven Crowder]

Reasonable. I think it's perfectly reasonable.

[Josh Firestein]

You should put those five things on Twitter later.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, he should put those things on X.

[Gerald Morgan]

He already posted them on X.

[Steven Crowder]

What I'm saying, I'm gonna repost them just for Gerald. Yes, you should. That's. That's the only reasonable at this point.

[Gerald Morgan]

Why would you agree with him also?

[Steven Crowder]

Why wouldn't I? So, Daniel. So we were on the show yesterday as this came in live, but Daniel Penney, the Marine on New York subway, was found not guilty, was acquitted in the death of Jordan Neely. For those who missed it, Daniel Penney has been found not guilty of criminally negligent homicide. That was the second count. Remember the first count. The jury could not come to a conclusive decision on a unanimous decision. But this one, they were unanimous. Not guilty. The jury deliberating for more than 24 hours across five days before finally reaching this verdict. Daniel Penney found not guilty on all counts. And I find that that broadcaster guilty of being silly. That voice. Daniel Penny is not guilty. He seems like he should be like a third tier greaser in a gang in the 50s. Like, yeah, you should cut him the.

[Josh Firestein]

Understudy to the horse race broadcaster.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, exactly. So. So look, and we show you this because we covered this yesterday live on. And the left is entirely predictable. And it's important that you understand why.

[Gerald Morgan]

We absolutely called it. Right. You called it yesterday when the left said this stuff. When they announced this, we knew what the left was going to say. So I think it's time for a. Crowder called it.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Gerald Morgan]

Come let Zoltar tell you more.

[Steven Crowder]

I congratulate the next pitch ball right past the flag. We're going to win the game. I guarantee it.

[Gerald Morgan]

Watch the media talk about this. I guarantee you they're not talking about it.

[Steven Crowder]

Right now, they're not.

[Gerald Morgan]

But watch them when they do talk about this, it'd be a negative thing. They'll be somber.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, you'll definitely see. You'll definitely get the Van Jones and those people saying, well, this sends a message loud and clear that it's open season on black Americans in the subways of New York. I guarantee you someone will say something that is, if not exactly that, something to that effect. Watch. I'm calling it. Calling it right now. Come let Zoltar tell you more. I can't. The next pitch, ball right past the flag, win the game. I guarantee. And then immediately, the NAACP put out a statement. The acquittal of Daniel Penney in the death of Jordan Neely has effectively given license for vigilante justice to be waged on the black community without consequence. Well, you see this everywhere now, let me tell you. And we don't show it to go, hey, see, we were right. We show it so you can. And hopefully, as we move forward, learn to recognize the patterns from the left going forward. Right. It's actually not that difficult. And I do have the luxury of experience having been here even on YouTube before rumble, you know, since 2008, something like that. Here's why the left cannot, in this instance, they can't do what we've done on the show. We say, well, that seems like it was a bad shoot, or, this police officer is in the wrong here. You've never heard us say, we back the blue across the board because there are some good cops, there are some bad cops. The left can't say, you know what, okay, this was a violent felon. This was someone who was basically harassing and a nuisance to his fellow New Yorkers. And maybe not this guy. No, no, no. They have to. Once this achieves or once this reaches a certain public profile, a story, they have to make it black, white. They have to make it class warfare. They have to make it racially. Because if it's not racially based, then the left, these race peddlers, are out of a job. Now, if it hadn't reached this level of notoriety in the public perception, they might try and sweep it under the rug and ignore it. Like, not this one. But once it gets to the point where it's hit critical mass and people are paying attention, the left will always say that this is a byproduct of systemic racism. They cannot pivot from that. I hope you understand that. So know this going forward, just like anytime there's a mass shooting, they will have to immediately go to gun control. Even if we see that this is something like the Nashville manifesto, even if we see that this is someone who is radicalized in the public school system or is clearly a leftist ideologue, it is very easy to predict these patterns. And I'm going to tell you something. This is a rare moment in history. It's not working anymore. It can't work. Black lives matter. Antifa affirmative action at the Ivy leagues. It's done. People aren't buying what they are selling. So you see this from the naacp and like I said, they will tell you it's open season on black people that this was a wrong verdict. This is more proof of racism in America. Here you go.

[Vicki Palladino]

They will not find a white man guilty of killing a black man in modern day America. This is no different than Jim Crow.

[Gerald Morgan]

Black lives do not matter to America. Black people don't mean anything to white America.

[Vicki Palladino]

It was foolish of us to think that a black man would get justice in the system designed to keep him oppressed. So all the white people here, y'all got work to do. Stay the out of black people business.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, then fix your business and do.

[Vicki Palladino]

The anti blackness work in there.

[Steven Crowder]

Do cars have to burn for a black man to get justice in America?

[Vicki Palladino]

We can't show up with peace.

[Steven Crowder]

Daniel Penny should have been convicted for murder. Murderer. Oh, is that a clown?

[Josh Firestein]

The only crown that Jordan was the.

[Vicki Palladino]

Color of his skin.

[Steven Crowder]

I fought hard to get the anti.

[Vicki Palladino]

Chokehold bill passed which did pass, but.

[Steven Crowder]

It shouldn't only be. Why is the Mario star level song playing gyms also make sure y'all come out tonight. We going to make they going to hear us tonight. Y'all going to get y'all money tonight. Want to bet money's worth tonight? Yeah, load that up.

[Josh Firestein]

There's a chance that Jordan who simply wanted to be heard, wanted to be seen.

[Steven Crowder]

What a head during his melod in mind would be seen he remembers tomorrow.

[Josh Firestein]

And that didn't happen in the courtroom.

[Steven Crowder]

I had enough of this system is rigged. It's not. I wasn't surprised that the verdict, was it the right verdict? Absolutely not. I think he should have been ver guilty of criminally negligent homicide. But I wasn't surprised given where it was tried.

[Vicki Palladino]

New York county and the jury pool.

[Steven Crowder]

That you have in New York County. No peace, no justice. No peace, no justice, no peace. America do better. I am actually really sad and disgusted with the system and it's time, y'all. It's time for us to go to war. I said what I Said, well, I'll see you on the battlefield, sir. You'll see.

[Josh Firestein]

From a mile away with that lip.

[Steven Crowder]

How do I reload this? Just silly. Why don't you put bullets in, like, a circle? Why is it, like, in a flat box? I don't like it. And here's Black Lives Matter activist. They're still a thing for some.

[Gerald Morgan]

Really.

[Steven Crowder]

Hawk Newsome. He actually went out. Well, he said something that would get us removed from YouTube if we said it. That black people should actually become vigilantes. We need some black vigilantes.

[Vicki Palladino]

That's right.

[Steven Crowder]

You want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud. How about we do the same when.

[Gerald Morgan]

They attempt to oppress us?

[Steven Crowder]

You know what? That actually right there. You know what? We can find some common ground, because that is a deal that I would make with you right now. So let me be clear, Hawk. This is your deal, okay. Is when you are being loud and abusive and violent, like Jordan Neely on the subway, disrupting your. That people like me get to choke you, provided that you get to choke people who look like me. White people. When I actively oppress you. Right. So when I actively oppress you, you can choke me. I'm fine. I accept that. Provided that when you are loud and abusive, be it rioting or harassing your fellow citizen, I get to choke you. Your terms are acceptable, sir. And by the way, we're talking about vigilantes. We need black vigilantes. Oh, well, 56% of murders in this country are committed by black Americans despite only making up 13% of the population. So I'm sure a few of them are vigilantes.

[Josh Firestein]

Percentage went up.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, 91% of black murders are committed by black people. So. Hey, look, I'm willing to bet that there are a few vigilante. As a matter of fact, you. Probably as a percentage. No, no, sorry. You definitely have more vigilantes than we do.

[Josh Firestein]

They do have black vigilantes. I lived in Seattle, as you know. We had one up there.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep.

[Josh Firestein]

Phoenix Jones.

[Steven Crowder]

Phoenix Jones. Who?

[Josh Firestein]

Great costume. It was kind of a Batman ripoff, but.

[Steven Crowder]

But it was fun.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

For like, five or six years, he was just roaming around the streets of Seattle, just pepper spraying people who were getting in fights.

[Steven Crowder]

That's right.

[Josh Firestein]

It was pretty fun. Then he became an MMA fighter. He had a record of 7, 3. Not bad. There he is.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, he was a pretty cool guy until he got arrested in 2020 for selling MDMA to an undercover cop. And Being in possession of like five grams of coke. You know, you hate to see the vigilante become the drug dealer.

[Steven Crowder]

Stay out of all business.

[Josh Firestein]

Kind of funny.

[Steven Crowder]

He was multitasking, you know, it's funny, isn't funny. For the community. And I mean, by the way, what do you mean? Black community. For the black community who says stay out of our business and really has a culture of policing their own, that there couldn't possibly be a community that is more emblematic of poorly policing your own. Right. The problem that other people have is when it bleeds into their community. Yeah. You want to live with the Jordan Neelys of the world? Fine. You deem that acceptable. We don't. You want to say it's because we're white, because we're Latino, Latina, Asian, or black in the suburbs, which means our Uncle Tom. Fine. I accept it. You can live in that squalor. That's not the America we choose to live in. And I hope that Daniel Penny is the brick wall that you run into again and again and again and again. And here's the Johnny come lately. Neely's father.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Pontificating on how now he really misses his son even though he wasn't around. I just want to say I miss my son. My son didn't have to go through this.

[Josh Firestein]

Read the script.

[Steven Crowder]

This either. It hurts. Really, really hurts. Yeah, I'm sure it really hurt when you abandoned him into foster care after his mom was murdered and stuffed into a suitcase by her boyfriend. So where were you, dad? Where were you, Pops? Oh, no, wait. Sorry. I'm sorry. That's right. It's racist for me to bring up the epidemic of fatherless households in the.

[Josh Firestein]

Black community could have used a black vigilante right there.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

How about a black father? Instead of calling for black vigilantes, how about we call for black father?

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no, no, no. That's white supremacy.

[Gerald Morgan]

It's not white supremacy.

[Steven Crowder]

That's a byproduct of Western white supremacy. Patriarchy. As you see from Black Lives Matter. As you see from the feminist lgbtq, aip, Gestapo. Right. So, hey, honestly, do you think Jordan Neely would have been better off if he hadn't been abandoned into foster care? If he had a dad? Hey, do you think that maybe. Do you think maybe Jordan Neely would not only still be alive if dad was still there, but do you think that maybe in 2015 he wouldn't have kidnapped a 7 year old girl? Do you think that maybe if he had a dad, instead of being abandoned into the foster care system. By 2019, he wouldn't have punched a 64 year old man in the face. Or in 2021, punching a 67 year old woman in the face, fracturing her nose and her skull. There was an active warrant for his arrest at the time of his death. To be clear, while he was committing another crime. He was arrested 42 times in the last 10 years. The system failed him. Really? I think we do have a failed system where if someone can commit violent crimes against their fellow citizens, their fellow Americans, if they can be arrested 42 times in 10 years, and many of those times involve violent crimes, you're right, it's a failed system. Oh, wait, sorry. Your solution is black people should get off committing more crimes if they have the right skin color. My solution is third violent crime. You don't get out until you're too old to cause harm to somebody else. I want to read more headlines. Man put behind bars for the rest of his life because of three violent crimes. Than I do someone stabbed in the subway. Than I do someone sexually assaulted in the subway. We need a culture of fear and shame. And I don't mean fear and shame to speak freely like the left ones. I don't mean fear to purchase a firearm. I don't mean fear to, for example, express a support for Donald Trump. I mean fear and shame in the acts of harming your fellow American. Black, red, yellow, white. I want a culture of fear and shame where you're afraid to commit that crime because you may be choked out. You're afraid to punch an old lady in the face because you may be killed. And I want you to feel shame from the community that right now supports you. That's what we need. That's the solution. And it's not going to happen without. Yep, let me get in my soapbox. Little bit of Jesus, Sam, you know, thing you know, don't worry about it.

[Gerald Morgan]

They know who Jesus is. By the way, the system didn't fail Neely. Neely as part of one of his, I believe, most recent arrests. There's 42 to go through, so I'm not sure exactly which one it was. Was actually given a place to stay and given the opportunity to have things that he needed to get better medical care left. That I believe if we can find it, research, find it. I think he left within a couple of weeks or something like that and went back out on the street.

[Josh Firestein]

This is after punching a 67 year old woman.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

And being let go, by the way.

[Gerald Morgan]

Unbelievable.

[Josh Firestein]

Steven CROWDER can't commit 40, 42 crimes.

[Steven Crowder]

No.

[Josh Firestein]

And be out there.

[Steven Crowder]

No. No, no, no, no, no.

[Josh Firestein]

Zero chance.

[Steven Crowder]

No. For crying out loud, it'd be in the New York Post that someone saw me changing in the changing room. Do you imagine if I punched a 67 year old lady in the face for no reason?

[Josh Firestein]

God, man, don't jaywalk. That's life without parole.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yes, it is. Yeah, but tell them you're a Michael Jackson impersonator.

[Steven Crowder]

That's exactly right.

[Gerald Morgan]

Then you'd be fine.

[Steven Crowder]

I can do a moonwalk. As good as the next guy. Certainly better than Jordan Neely. And here's the thing, Penny. In this case, it's also important to. He seems like a very decent man. Right. He even said, I wasn't trying to injure him. I'm just trying to keep him from hurting anybody else. Yeah. You know he was threatening people. That was confirmed by witnesses. To give you an idea, Penny's Marine platoon sergeant, he described him as a very honorable person, displaying value and commitment. There was one website post that Penny, actually, I believe he noted that being able to serve and connect with the most interesting and eccentric the world has to offer is what I believe I am meant to do. This guy has a pretty spotless record. And here's the thing. It doesn't matter if he didn't.

[Gerald Morgan]

Right?

[Steven Crowder]

He committed no crime. Now, if you want to say he applied it improperly, sure, a lot of people don't know how to apply a chokehold. This guy was not looking to inflict harm. This guy was looking to help people. That's an important delineation to make as we continue on to this other shooter who's being praised and venerated by the left. Luigi. Is it mangione or mangione?

[Josh Firestein]

You gotta say Mangione.

[Steven Crowder]

Mangione.

[Josh Firestein]

Mangione. You gotta have a breadstick in your hand.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly. Never. An imposta bowl. Which was Jesus last miracle.

[Gerald Morgan]

Shut.

[Steven Crowder]

I give unto ye fettuccine neverending breadsticks. Oh, can I have some of that salad? No. Judas.

[Gerald Morgan]

Never ending pasta. Yes. It's gonna suck.

[Steven Crowder]

No. I tell you what. You know how much this never ending salad bowl cost, Judas? About 30 pieces of silver. Go get.

[Josh Firestein]

They weren't eating that carbonara.

[Steven Crowder]

And by the way, none of this happens without you. Everything we're able to say now. Couldn't have said this on YouTube. 2019. 2020. So thank you. Rumble. Rumble Premium. Mug Club is now Rumble Premium. Rumble Premium is Mug Club. $99 annually or it's $9.99 a month. Tomorrow we are going to be announcing and unveiling the new mug for this merger. None of it. Mug Club Undercover, this show, the show beyond the Show Friday, Nick DePaolo. None of this happens without you. Of course, you get Dr. Disrespect now. You get Barstool Sports. You get Mr. Guns n Gear, One Stop Shop, One Umbrella. Live Sporting events to come. We are so grateful. It's really nice to not have to be afraid of being completely deplatformed in a race from big tech oligarchs. And also, just to be really clear with you guys, some of you were noting that on mobile you thought everything was on Rumble Premium. No, no, all the free content is still free. It's just on the mobile app. It. It hasn't updated. You might need to uninstall the app, reinstall it.

[Josh Firestein]

It's going to update this week.

[Steven Crowder]

We're on the phone with Rick.

[Gerald Morgan]

Rick is on it.

[Josh Firestein]

Pretty sure everybody's going to see a difference this week.

[Steven Crowder]

And there is more free content. Yeah, more free content than ever, to be clear. And then additional content if you're a Rumble Premium member and ad free.

[Gerald Morgan]

So you're not confused. If there is premium content in an episode at all, it will say premium, but not premium only.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Gerald Morgan]

So Friday shows says premium only because.

[Steven Crowder]

It'S all just like you can watch right now, live, of course, for free. And then you continue if you're on Rumble Premium. So let's, let's compare. If I've missed anything here, you guys can stop me. But let's compare. It's rare that we get two stories like this that have a lot of parallels. Penny and Luigi Mangione. So what you see is the left. Let's look at their treatment of these two different people, why they are treating them that way versus the reality. So Daniel Penny from the left, he's being treated as a white vigilante. Right. Just shy of white supremacy because there's no evidence there. So Madhi Hasan wrote, imagine, just imagine if Jordan Neely had been white and Daniel Penny was black. Imagine what some of the folks defending Penny today would be saying. Just imagine.

[Gerald Morgan]

And by the way, you don't have to imagine. Libs of TikTok nuked him from orbit with a story. Basically.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

Here's another story where a black guy stabbed a white guy.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Gerald Morgan]

In the same kind of situation and is out free.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep.

[Gerald Morgan]

So I don't have to imagine. Already happened. Didn't even make the news.

[Josh Firestein]

Actually, it won't.

[Steven Crowder]

You have representative Summer Lee from Pennsylvania Saying the acquittal of Daniel Penney is the murder. Sorry, in. The murder of Jordan Neely is a painful reminder of a longstanding reality. Vigilante violence against black people often goes unchecked.

[Gerald Morgan]

Wrong.

[Steven Crowder]

How was I able to predict this to the letter? Because they cannot approach it any other way. The left can't get away from the social justice causes. It's not possible. So just remember, if they try and present as more moderate, this is who they are. They're lying to you. Expect it to get a little more subversive before the next election because they know they can't win. But this is who they are. Jasmine Crockett, Texas said, this is more than a miscarriage of justice. It is a green light for more violence against unarmed black Americans.

[Josh Firestein]

How do you know he's unarmed?

[Steven Crowder]

That's a good point. How do you know he's unarmed? Hold on a second. If nothing is done so then what would. 42 arrests in 10 years and an act of warrant out for this person. While this person has punched two senior, two elderly citizens in the face and kidnapped a seven year old girl. Is that a green light to continue doing that shit? Because that's what it seems like to me. That's why people are mad at America. Seems like to me you kidnap 17 year old. Shame on. No, that's right. Shame on you. You don't get out. How about that? Where's. Where's your line for your green light? How many times, how many arrests does it have to be? 43, 46, 52? When do you think you're giving the green light? I'll tell you when I'm giving it. The minute you put someone in fear of their own life, intentional or not. The minute you put your fellow American in fear of their own. Hey, you ask for my wallet in the street, guess what? You forfeit your right to live. You have any idea how many people get mugged and get shot left for dead because someone's done a little too much pcp? I don't know that you're down on your luck and you just need some money for a Wendy's chili. I couldn't possibly know that. Just like I can't know that you are unarmed. You play the knockout game, you forfeit your right to live. You know why? Because I could hit my head in the concrete or I could be unconscious and you could then rape my woman. You could kidnap my child. If you're a Jordan Neely copycat, right, you forfeit your right to live. Doesn't mean you Deserve the ex. Deserve execution. Let me be really clear. But you forfeit your right to live if you put someone in a situation where they have to defend life and limb and it shouldn't happen dozens of times. Even if you want to say there were some BS arrests because he was black, which I'm sure that's the case in New York. You, you, you can, you, you can't find any racial justice activists and prosecutors or public defendants in New York. Okay, cut that number of 40 something arrests down to 20. Just cut it down to the violent felonies, the violent crimes that we have seen. When do you take accountability for your green light? Genuinely, you know, Jasmine Crockett, you're a bad person. You understand? You're just. Actually, you're a bad person. You're a bad person with a bad worldview. Now let's compare this to Luigi, right? Luigi, who shot the United Healthcare CEO. You see this all over the place. He's been praised, lauded as a hero. This is actually 1.6 million views on X. It's a meme. It says he took action against private health insurance corporations is what he did. He was a brave Italian martyr. In this house, Luigi Mangione is a hero. End of story. You also have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands thirsting over him, meaning they think this guy is sexy. Here's a post about visiting Luigi in prison. It says me visiting Luigi, and there they are making out. That's, by the way, the most tame one we could find.

[Gerald Morgan]

I mean, the guy. I mean, he did look kind of ripped in one of his pictures.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah, he did. He did.

[Gerald Morgan]

I guess that makes up for him being, you know, A murderer.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, like.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah, I'm gonna bring him home to mom. Why? Well, because he has abs.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, we have a different. Planning a visit. Yes, he is. He just wants to. He just wants to put a smile on the faces of those people. And even Jon Stewart's audience booed that Luigi was caught.

[Gerald Morgan]

How did they manage to end a.

[Steven Crowder]

Decade long civil war and defeat the entire Syrian military in just 11 days? And wait, zoom in on there. Is that.

[Josh Firestein]

Zoom.

[Steven Crowder]

Are you kidding me?

[Josh Firestein]

No, no, that guy.

[Steven Crowder]

What? How the. Is that where he rode that city bike? Is that actually, obviously, it couldn't have been that guy today. They did appear to catch that guy today at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania. It's true. Look, I'm sorry, guys.

[Gerald Morgan]

Apparently a bystander at the McDonald's ratted him out.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, ratted him out.

[Gerald Morgan]

Come on. I understand the audience Being morons. But Jon Stewart ratted him out. You mean took a murderer off the streets.

[Josh Firestein]

I think you gotta use that kind of lingo when the guy's name is Mangione. Yeah, yeah, he was a rat.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, maybe.

[Gerald Morgan]

Maybe he's making put Mangione beyond bars.

[Steven Crowder]

Right, because of that rat at the Mickey D's. Hey, I got you. Hey, you, McRib.

[Josh Firestein]

I agree.

[Steven Crowder]

I've never had one and I don't plan to.

[Gerald Morgan]

Okay, so.

[Steven Crowder]

So the vilification of Daniel Penny, someone who was actually. Who served his country and was serving his community, and the venerating of Luigi. And here's actually Taylor Loren's noted barnacle. Whoa. All right. Who said on Piers Morgan? I was actually in the. I have a Bluetooth speaker and I was in the show. You know, I go through news, and when I heard Piers Morgan drop the F bomb on his show, I knew that. Oh, that must mean he's quite upset. Here she is, Taylor Loren, saying that she felt joy over the assassination. I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy. Unfortunately, you know, because it feels like serious. I mean, joy in a man's execution. Maybe not joy, but certainly not. No, certainly not empathy.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah, well, again, we're watching the footage. How can this make you joyful? This guy's a husband, he's a father, and he's being gunned down in the middle of Manhattan.

[Steven Crowder]

Why does that make you joyful Americans that he murdered? Yeah, this is the same type of person who's a feminist, by the way, who believes that we should believe all women. Just to give you an idea as to the consistency of her logic, like, well, he deserved it. Okay, you've mouthed off, haven't you, Taylor? You realize that you're not being violently dealt with because your rights are an illusion. It's funny when women try and act tough, like, yeah, I don't have empathy. He had this coming. Okay, you want to live in that world? It's like the kid with the anarchist shirt they got from Hot Topic. Do you have any idea what your life looks like if anarchy comes into play? Do you have any idea how fast you would be a slave chained to my doghouse?

[Josh Firestein]

Best case scenario, where we're walking around without masks, raw, dogging the air.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yes, she did say that at one point. Raw, dogging the air.

[Josh Firestein]

That's a quote.

[Gerald Morgan]

So let me just be clear, too. She came back later in that episode and said she. She didn't mean she was joyful over the murder. She didn't say that. So Piers actually played the clip of her saying to her. And here's her defense. We actually just blew it out of the water. I'm sorry, I haven't seen anybody else say this until now. Her defense was. You interrupted me. Okay, well, what did you mean? I'm actually joyful that people are looking at the situation with insurance companies. Oh, so is that why you don't feel certainly not empathy? Because empathy doesn't apply to the people looking at the insurance companies thing. That's not what she was saying. She was saying I certainly don't feel empathy. Empathy towards what? Towards what? The person dead on the ground is the only answer to that.

[Steven Crowder]

I feel empathy for everyone who has wrongfully denied a claim, who paid for insurance. Yep. I feel empathy for them. I feel empathy for the people who were suckered into supporting the Affordable Care act that screwed this health care system up, which was already screwed up before that, but certainly accelerated it. And I feel empathy for the family and the people affected by a man who was senselessly murdered. Just to be clear, I saw a.

[Josh Firestein]

Guy online celebrating this, a guy who was a comedy show booker who didn't pay me my full amount one time.

[Steven Crowder]

Wow. Yeah. Good. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

You denied my claim for the work.

[Steven Crowder]

Mm. Mm.

[Josh Firestein]

Should you be next?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. On the flip side, I've had people who I've done shows with who I've given 100% of the gate to complain that they were wrong. So people who are self, whose ideology is pure selfishness. Look, this is what you can expect. This is the culture of me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And I'm perfect the way I am. So that's what you see. You see the vilification of Daniel Penny. You see the venerating of Luigi. Why? Let me make it really clear. The narrative the left has to set, and that's why we were able to call it in real time, is in the Penny scenario, it's a white guy who killed an underprivileged black man. That's it? Yeah, that's it. They tried to paint Neely as this fun loving Michael Jackson impersonator. Remember? Just like back to Trayvon Martin. They tried to. Tried to paint him as this teenager and not someone who was a seven.

[Gerald Morgan]

Year old picture of the kid every time you saw him in media.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Not someone who was. Who was, you know, basically engaged in alchemy with Arizona sweet tea and codeine.

[Josh Firestein]

Well, they were Both obsessed with 7 year olds.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. And then you have Mike Brown. Hands up. Don't shoot. His hands weren't up. He was punching a cop, grabbing his gun. But they just go white, black. Okay? So that's why they vilify him. The reason that they love. You know why? Because he killed a rich white guy. Oh, he killed a Disney villain. The rich white businessman. Therefore it's justified. Now, the other worldview is the only way that violence is justified. And I don't believe that all violence is immoral. To be clear, you've never heard me say that political violence is never the answer because it's not true. You've not heard me say that violence itself is never the answer because it's not true. But the only time that violence is an appropriate answer is when you are protecting the defenseless or yourself. In other words, we need to stop the zero tolerance policy. All violence is bad because then you have a generation of people who think that these are the same ones. Let me give you the reality, okay? One was a law abiding citizen, potentially a model citizen, Penny, who deserves your support and your prayers, who followed the law to help his fellow citizens. The other, Luigi, is someone who flagrantly disregarded the law to commit murder to assassinate someone. Is that clear enough? This can't be clear to the left because. And this is why I say there's a real problem with intelligentsia. You have to go to university today or work in media to believe that that's reductive or simplistic, therefore not worthy of your philosophy major. One's a law abiding citizen who helped his fellow citizen. The other broke the law to assassinate someone. This is something. Hey, can we find common ground on that? Anyone? We're not talking about the denial of claims, the AI algorithm, all that. I get it. We did a segment on it yesterday. But in dealing with these two people and seeing the stark contrast, if we can't find common ground on that statement, there's no common ground to be had. I don't want it. I don't want fake common ground. I want a big old thick line in that sand. How about that? And here to talk about this more, because we're going to have people on who will disagree. We'll have Councilman Paladino on in a second. Right now we actually. Do we have him? Toolman.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, we got him.

[Steven Crowder]

We have Reverend Al Sharpton on the line to give us his thoughts on this case. Mr. Sharpton, thank you for taking the time. What are your thoughts here on the Daniel Penny verdict? Finally, as it came in yesterday. Well, Mr. Crowdier, the verdict has clearly sent a strong message. Uh huh. And what's that? It is increasingly clear it's now open season on black people. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that, mister. What, on the facts? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you have your facts. I have my facts from above. I don't. What does that even mean? It's like the great Reverend once said, white people be judging black people because they have skin. I think you're actually misquoting MLK there, Mr. Sharpton, pretty severely. Egregiously. No, no, I am the reverend. What was that? I am the reverend. You are the reverend. You're quoting. Well, I beg to differ. Okay, what do you want? Any thoughts you want to share on how the black community should react, maybe? Or how they will in the coming days? Weeks? Well, let me be the first to say that black lives matter. Even if they assault them. Battle. Okay, I don't know if that's actually something. If you can't handle the heat, sit back down and take your seat. That's not how the saying goes, Mr. Sherman. When a black man is on the ground. Right. We're f to make a lot of sound. That's a nice rhyme, actually. You're damn right. Justice for Jordan. Nelly. Okay, Tim, that's enough. We can cut it.

[Gerald Morgan]

Well, that's.

[Josh Firestein]

You know, that grifter didn't even know his name.

[Gerald Morgan]

Got the name different Nelly.

[Steven Crowder]

No, that's hard for him to read. Prompter. I know. We're going to Hatters. Yeah, he's prompter. Intolerant. I know. We're going to have Paladino on Vicki Palladino, who is very spicy, a lot of fun. You met her, right?

[Gerald Morgan]

I did. She was the one standing off to my left at the press conference. And the first person that I saw, she just came walking straight up to us as she was going in, and she was like, oh, I love you guys. It was fantastic. I loved it. She had two aides with her that were helping out too. I think they were former teachers who had horrible things done to them by the Adams administration. And she's very outspoken, and she's my kind of councilwoman. Yeah, she's feisty.

[Steven Crowder]

I can imagine.

[Gerald Morgan]

She doesn't care about people's opinions.

[Steven Crowder]

Well. And I would imagine she has a lot of experience and running. We can hear you, Noodles.

[Gerald Morgan]

That was subtle, Noodles.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. This is the thing. See, when we're live, by the way, bring up CNN so you can see nothing up our sleeve. We do this live because I Guess now people don't call things live. They call it irl. Like IRL in real life. You mean live? Because it was so rare about live.

[Gerald Morgan]

Now they put live up. That's right. Yeah, but this was taped like exactly six hours ago. It's not live.

[Steven Crowder]

Live doing this for years. So this is me irl.

[Gerald Morgan]

I don't know what that means.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, you can't see me. Can you still see me?

[Gerald Morgan]

No, I can. Absolutely. We could see the whole time didn't work.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Josh Firestein]

I think Vicky's talking, so.

[Gerald Morgan]

All right, let's live in.

[Steven Crowder]

We got her on the line. Okay, we do have her on the line. All right, so here, discuss this and more because it's a national story and she's a lot of fun. Our kind of councilwoman, Ms. Vicki Palladino. And on X, it's Vicky for NYC. Ms. Palladino, can you see me? Can you hear me?

[Vicki Palladino]

I can see you and I can hear you loud and clear.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, thank you. We're so glad to have you on the show. And I wanted to first ask you, like, what did you observe during this trial and did you kind of have a sense of the outcome being so close to it in New York?

[Vicki Palladino]

You know, it always. First of all, my sense of the trial was. Should have never happened in the first place. Like, you've heard everybody say it was racially motivated. Absolutely. DA Bragg is been a political nightmare. He's not a true ag. He actually. What am I allowed to say? What aren't I allowed?

[Steven Crowder]

You can say anything you want, believe me.

[Vicki Palladino]

Well, he sucks. Okay, how's that?

[Steven Crowder]

Good. More. More. Lay it on me.

[Vicki Palladino]

And he really should not be holding the office that he's holding. And here's a little caveat. Tom Kniff, which was one of Daniel Penney's defense attorneys, ran against Alvin Bragg right in the last election.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Vicki Palladino]

And now I'll step out of the box again a little bit because. Because Tom Caniff did not get the backing that he needed from the party.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Okay.

[Vicki Palladino]

Okay. Because here in the city, everybody just assumes it's a lost race. Why invest?

[Steven Crowder]

Right, Right.

[Vicki Palladino]

So you have the island of Manhattan, 1.6 million people, and you have a guy like Alvin Bragg running, and you have an upstanding guy like Tom running. And sadly, the Republicans saw it as a lost race before it even started. And had they invested in Tom the way they should have, knowing that the DA's position on the island of Manhattan is probably is more powerful than the mayor at Tom. Yeah, they held that much clout Right. So we could have had an upstanding DA and this nightmare that we have would not have existed.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, that's a good point. Why do you think and Republicans consider it a loss, whereas you know, the first time I ever visited New York, it was actually for Thanksgiving, right after 9 11, there was still smoke down there in Ground Zero. This was, this was when Rudy Giuliani was man of the year. So I know that nationally it's very unlikely that of course they'll be voting for a Republican for president. But if you look at governors, if you look at the state led legislature, it's not like it's a lost cause. It's a very good point. Why do you think so many in the Republican Party just abandon that, concede that territory?

[Vicki Palladino]

Well, it's been a lost cause for a while now. I mean Ronald Reagan is the only one who took this city, state, the entire thing.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Vicki Palladino]

On a national level, the person who flipped everybody's way of thinking was of course Barack Obama. And everything went totally, totally and absolutely to the left because of that mindset. Now look, we were always loaded with liberals, but we had, and we had, we didn't have the progressive left radical movement that we have today. Yeah, it's, it's insanity. Insanity has taken over.

[Steven Crowder]

So can I ask you this because you just mentioned Barack Obama and earlier you said, and I want to make sure it's really clear, you said this was racially motivated for people who misheard that. You're talking about Alvin Bragg, of course, trying to use this to race bait because Daniel Penny was white. Did you see that become far more. Because I will say this, as someone Who's in my 30s, I grew up in a post racial, I mean America, Canada, where our biggest stars, Will Smith and Denzel Washington, the biggest films were Will Smith films and the biggest show was Fresh Prince. And then Barack Obama became president and that's when we had the eruption that America was more racist than ever. Did you see that in New?

[Vicki Palladino]

Well, of course. And you know, I like you. I mean I grew up in the late 60s and the 70s. I'm a lot older than you are and my son is your age. And I have to say this, you know, we've watched Manhattan, we've watched, we've watched this change. The difference is now is that everybody hates that word. Hate was not as, was not used the way it's used today.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Vicki Palladino]

So when Barack Obama stepped in, we had this man come in with a totally different agenda, one that he kind of snuck in under the Rug. Because everybody, I will say this, was thrilled to have an African American president. There are a lot of people that were super excited because of his color of his skin. And he was an orator. He's brilliant. He could speak to anything.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Vicki Palladino]

But what everybody did not realize was the division that he was going to bring into this order, said order by mistake. It was a Floridian slip, the world order. He had an agenda, and his agenda was to flip everything.

[Steven Crowder]

And he did what started with Trayvon Martin. Remember, he said, now, if I had a son, it'd probably look a lot like Trayvon. And then everyone said, oh, that's license to say this was a lynching. That led to Mike Brown. It really was pernicious. Yeah. And now you're dealing with it more and more obvious.

[Vicki Palladino]

He separated us not just by race. If you became a wealthy individual, an entrepreneur, successful in any kind of CEO of any kind of large business, you were considered a villain. You really were, and you were demonized for that.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Vicki Palladino]

So.

[Steven Crowder]

And we see that now with the United Healthcare shooting that took place. And I'm disturbed by how many people seem to be very comfortable with it. I do want to ask you this specifically in New York, because you've had to deal with this in the past. Do you see the Black Lives Matter protests here being a major issue, or do you think that most New Yorkers aren't buying what they're selling anymore?

[Vicki Palladino]

They're not buying what they're selling anymore.

[Steven Crowder]

No way.

[Vicki Palladino]

No, no, no, no. I said that I was on Rob Schmidt last night on Newsmax, and we talked a lot about that. Because you had the one guy from Black Lives Matter outside the courthouse screaming about lynching and lynching. Give me a break. Leah. You got 10 people standing behind you. That was it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Vicki Palladino]

He was shouting into the microphone. Then they wobbled up, you know, Jordan Neely's dad, they propped him up at the mic and they all said how sorry they were. And this, that, the other thing, It's a bunch of crap.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Vicki Palladino]

Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

Was.

[Vicki Palladino]

Where were you when your son needed you? Where were you? And the uncle dressed to the nines, very sharp, you know. Where were you when your nephew needed you when he was homeless, when he became, you know, addicted to drugs? He was a schizophrenic. Where were you? This was. You know, nobody should have died. I don't want. I want. I want to make this very. Of course, this was unfortunate, but this was inevitable because what's happened to our system here in New York is we have Totally closed. Any sort of mental hospital or any kind of place we could put the mentally infirmed where they stay for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. Because there are those who can go back into the city and lead perfectly great lives. I know a lot of people who had drug issues and problems that had to do 30 days, had to do 60 days, how to do 90 days, and sometimes more than once. And they came back as functioning adults in their 30s and made, you know, very good use of themselves, owners of businesses and stuff like that. So we can't condemn all of them, but we do have to face a fact that there are mentally ill people that cannot be fixed anymore.

[Steven Crowder]

Why were they all shut down in New York too? What was the.

[Vicki Palladino]

That was Cuomo. We had a mental hospital on Staten Island. I forgot what the hell the name of it was.

[Steven Crowder]

And I know there used to be one in on Roosevelt island because they turned them into apartment complexes. But that's from a long time ago.

[Vicki Palladino]

How long ago?

[Steven Crowder]

From a while ago because I, when I was living there in New York in 2011, I almost moved to one until someone said, you know, that used to be an insane asylum. I said, oh, maybe I won't go.

[Vicki Palladino]

I hate that word. But yes, we have. We. When I ran for State Senate, which a lot of people don't know, I ran in 2018, at that point the Republicans held the New York state Senate by one seat because there's 60 some odd people that make up the Senate in New York State. And I tried desperately to put my point across how important it was that we held it. Well, sadly, the shift was already happening. The blue wave was already in full swing and there was no way I was going to win. John Lew took the seat. That was fine. He's an established. I was not established. Who was Vicki Palladino? Vicki Palladino was a kitchen table politic and an activist. Okay. Somebody who always spoke her mind and everybody knew about it.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Vicki Palladino]

So I had $37,000 and here I was going up against somebody who ran for New York city comptroller in 2013. But I said, what the hell, Let me see everything. I said that was going to happen happened. Bail reform, injection sites, the closing of Rikers island and so on and so forth.

[Steven Crowder]

Right?

[Vicki Palladino]

So it was a losing battle and we've become a losing battle since then.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I want to continue this by the way, and of course people can follow you at Vicki for NYC on X. We're going to continue this on Rumble Premium. When there you can say absolutely, whatever you want if you'll stay with us for just about one minute. And the break, people who are watching right now, Vicky Paladino, uncensored. Can we have a graphic? We'll put it on later. Click right there to continue watching. Thank you very much. Rumble. Let's go. Mug club now.