Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (3:18)

Hey, it's Stephanie, back with a bonus episode. I want to play you some behind the scenes tape from my two reporting trips to San Francisco. The first one is from the night of the continuance after Laura filed an Americans with Disabilities act accommodation with the court and Mike was told his hearing would be continued in two weeks. Spirits were low. People who had been following the case felt defeated and so did Mike. The evening of the continuance, I met up with journalist Megan Fox to hear how the rest of her day unfolded.

Megan Fox (Journalist) (3:51)

Start recording if you're ready.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (3:53)

Yep.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (3:54)

All right. It was around 8:30pm Megan and I sound exhausted because we were. The first question I have for you is what was your reaction to what happened today?

Megan Fox (Journalist) (4:11)

It was awful.

Podcast Host (4:14)

I couldn't process it until after I did some exit interviews with Omar and Clayton. I couldn't process it for a while. I'm not even sure I still have. I'm not even sure that I have. But there was a moment when Omar and Mike walked out of the courtroom and I could see that they were both crying. That was hard, really hard. And my heart just fell to the floor. And after I heard what happened, I went to Danielle, who was sobbing and I hugged her and she fell on my shoulders and sobbed and that was awful. But there was something inside of me that was keeping me from having any emotion whatsoever. All I said to her was, we're not going anywhere, we're not leaving you and we'll be here. And she was just sobbing and it was. It was awful.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (5:21)

We now know that after the alleged life threatening circumstances that caused Laura to miss the hearing, she showed up at a horse competition that very same week where she was show jumping and winning ribbons. The online community banded together on live streams. They launched a fundraiser to help Mike with the Expenses of having to come back to court again in two weeks.

Megan Fox (Journalist) (5:43)

It was insane. Like I said, I didn't intend for it to be a fundraising stream. I just wanted to tell them what happened. I wanted to have a better stream than yesterday because the WI fi went down, the power went out. It was a nightmare. My computer died. It was just a shit show. And I wanted to have a smooth stream and just tell them what happened and prepare them for a fact that there would be a fundraising stream. Because I had already called Dave and, like, we got to do this. I didn't think we would raise any money today. I mean, I was going to direct them to the fundraiser and I tell them, if you have it, give it. He's going to need it. They started donating to the GoFundMe so fast and furious that in the first hour of the stream, it was like $4,000 was raised in an hour. And that's when it started to hit me that, oh, my God, we thought we weren't going to be able to raise 3,500 for the court reporter. We just passed 4,000 in one hour. The community is just going nuts. And it kept going. By the time I was done with two hours of streaming, they were at $10,000. 10,000 more dollars.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (7:03)

Why do you think that. That what happened today sparked that with everyone?

Megan Fox (Journalist) (7:09)

Nobody's giving up here. This is not what she thinks it is. She didn't stop anybody.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (7:19)

Two weeks later, I went back to San Francisco for the continued hearing. Like I said in episode 11, it felt like deja vu. The continuance threw a wrench into things for everyone, most of all for Mike and his wife, Danielle, but also for the court system. Space is limited, and that time could have gone to someone who would have actually shown up. Even Mike's attorney, Omar Serrado, had a family vacation planned that had to be rescheduled due to the continuance. Here's Omar.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (7:49)

So I had a vacation planned, and so I come home and I tell my wife that, yeah, it got continued, and, hey, so bad news, bad news. And then she's like, what? What? And you could imagine how that conversation went. She was very supportive. She was angry, she was really sad. She has some choice words for Laura, but she understood the mission. And she's like, if I'm gonna miss my vacation, you better just fucking finish this. It costs US $3,300 for the cancellation fee or whatever. It's like, well, just gone to the wind, huh? I guess I just prom. Look, look, we will go on a Better vacation. I promise. Somehow we're gonna make this right. We're gonna make. I will make it up to you.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (8:35)

This example might sound small, but it just proves the ripple effect of Laura's actions. On my second reporting trip to San Francisco, the energy was markedly different. I was in the courtroom with everyone when the domestic violence restraining order against Mike was dismissed. I left the courthouse that day with Mike's attorneys, Omar Serrato and Rachel Juarez. We called a Waymox, one of those self driving cars.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (9:05)

It's my first Waymo. It's like a celebration. Waymo.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (9:09)

You can hear the energy and relief in Rachel's voice. We all piled in and debriefed the DVRO dismissal. Tell me how it was.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (9:20)

It went as well as it possibly could have gone.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (9:22)

It was literally best case scenario.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (9:24)

Yes. In every respect.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (9:26)

Oh, we should start the lamp. Yeah. The fact that we didn't have to say anything was exactly what we were hoping for. And my fear was, and I was starting to get nervous like, hey, it's like almost 9:30, we're still not in the courtroom. And I was telling Rachel, hey, they might be having like another in camera thing. I'm having flashbacks. I'm telling, I'm telling Mike, don't get your hopes up. Be prepared for everything. Because when they called us in and let everybody in and they basically started just conducting it as if they're gonna start a trial, I started to feel better about it. Yes. And then they make note of the time. It is, it is 9:30.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (10:02)

Yeah.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (10:02)

We were scheduled for 9 o'. Clock. I don't see Laura Owens here in the lobby or even here on Zoom.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (10:06)

Yeah.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (10:07)

Therefore I'm going to dismiss the case. But before that, she cracked a joke with the court reporter. Oh, I guess this is going to be a quick matter.

Podcast Host (10:13)

She did.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (10:13)

Yes. That, that was when I felt much better. I took a sigh of relief. Yeah. And this really was as gratifying as it would have been to, you know, present her with all the evidence that Laura was at a horse show. And she's done all these other things to other courts before like this. Any additional evidence that got presented just creates more possibility for chaos, which is I think what Laura thrives on. So the fact that the judge kept it so simple. She was ordered to be here. She did not appear. I told her the consequences. It's dismissed is really the best result, I think, in terms of trying to minimize the work and chaos going forward.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (10:57)

What are her options after this appeal?

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (11:00)

She can appeal. I don't think she has a good appeal, but she can appeal. She can also. She can seek another restraining order. She has lots of options to make sure this doesn't.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (11:12)

Do you think she will continue on with that, knowing that there's the criminal case going on in Arizona?

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (11:17)

Yes, because if that was a deterrent,

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (11:20)

there was no hesitation.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (11:22)

Yeah. We could not.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (11:23)

Yes, she would have. She would have never brought this if that was going to be a deterrent.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (11:26)

Yeah. The only thing Laura seems to have any fear of is testifying in person.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (11:33)

Yeah.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (11:33)

And being subject to cross examination, which is not smart, because in many ways, submitting a written declaration is more potentially dangerous than having in person testimony. But she does not seem to be fully aware of, I guess, the consequences of submitting a written declaration. That's a lie.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (11:56)

What grounds would she even have to file a new one?

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (11:59)

Well, that I have no idea.

Megan Fox (Journalist) (12:01)

Yeah.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (12:02)

Yep.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (12:02)

She would say that Mike is behind the JFC account. She would say that Mike walked by her house, but she can't prove it. Or she could just say she wants one for all the stuff that's already happened. I mean, she won't win that way, but she can say whatever she wants, Right? Yeah. And so I really think she'll go the appellate route, frankly, and then only if that. I think she wants to maximize how long this goes, how involved she can be. So I think she'll pursue the appellate route. And then after that doesn't work, I think we'll see another restraining order saying, like, Mike stalking me. I think that's what's going to happen.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (12:45)

If that happens, good luck. I can't seem even granting a temporary.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (12:51)

Not if she falls in this county. Yeah.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (12:53)

I mean, it would have to be in Arizona, but they know about her up there, too.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (12:55)

That's true.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (12:57)

Anything else that you guys want to say about today, how you're feeling? Did anybody else think it was crazy that it was raining all morning and then the moment we walked out of the courtroom, there was. There was sun.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (13:07)

Yes. Yeah, we saw the sun.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (13:09)

That's exactly how it felt.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (13:10)

Yeah. No, I think it's really seeing Mike and his family there, it really reminds you that this has been his life. It's been so debilitating in so many ways over the last however many years for him. Seeing him so relieved and seeing his family so relieved, I think was worth everything that's been put into it because he didn't deserve this.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (13:32)

The other thing is, like, we've experienced it, like two weeks ago when we were back here, and we thought that we had A mutual dismissal, that whole thing. And they were celebrating and Mike is in tears and everybody was in tears. And then I'm sitting there, my phone was buzzing in my pocket. I'm like, is this, oh, Laura's asking for remote links or whatever. But she said she was going to be there to whatever. And then I got another one saying she asked for a link for David Jingris.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (13:58)

That's right.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (13:59)

And I'm like, what is going, what's going on? And then I email Laura, hey, I thought we had an agreement. Is that still the case? And then she says, no, we don't have an agreement. Just like that. I'm like. And just the, the devastation in that moment. Mike wasn't devastated in that moment. He wasn't. I was pissed. Yeah, I was genuinely pissed. We were up until like 2am that night. I went back to working on my cross. People were putting together the trial notebooks. You know, people were documenting stuff. That whole night was just this weird blur.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (14:30)

You can only imagine how it feels for Mike. This is not nothing to him, you know, this has been his life. And the emotional roller coaster for us, just because we're invested legally and also because Mike has become a friend, you know, who we can care about. The emotional roller coaster for us and you and the people that have been following this is so much that even two weeks, last minute back and forth, it's not like a regular trial where you're still kind of like, oh my gosh, I was ready. Now I'm not. That's a lot of adrenaline. This is like devastation and then elation and then, you know, it's circling through those emotions so quickly. It takes a toll on.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (15:05)

That's 100% the truth. Like, we have trials and they get continued and, you know, whatever. I guess we'll do it in a month.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (15:11)

Yeah.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (15:12)

But there's never like an audience or like this groundswell of support for somebody that just adds in a variable that I did not account for because just seeing the devastation, I could handle it. I was pissed.

Megan Fox (Journalist) (15:22)

Right.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (15:23)

But then seeing everybody else being pissed, it just further sinks you into this place. When you ask me, what do you feel? I feel nothing.

Megan Fox (Journalist) (15:30)

Yeah.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (15:31)

I'm not going to acknowledge any negative. I can't get too low. It's. Look, we'll be back in two weeks. That was the only thing to say.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (15:38)

So time to celebrate now.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (15:40)

Yes, time to celebrate.

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (15:41)

Let's go celebrate now.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (15:42)

I feel all of the things, right?

Rachel Juarez (Attorney) (15:44)

Yep. Let's go celebrate. And we're going to toast to Judge Gold. I think yes.

Omar Serrado (Attorney) (15:48)

Toast to Judge Gold.

Stephanie (Reporter/Host) (15:54)

Thank you so much for listening. Stay tuned for new episodes and bonus content on the Love Trapped Fe.

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