Airport Security on ICE

Summary

Podcast Summary: Lovett or Leave It – "Airport Security on ICE"

Host: Jon Lovett
Guests: Jorma Taccone, Dylan Adler
Date: March 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Lovett or Leave It, recorded live at Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles, combines sharp political satire with comedic interviews and games. Host Jon Lovett breaks down the week's biggest (and dumbest) political stories, focusing on the surreal deployment of ICE agents to airports amidst a government shutdown. The show also features lively conversations with guest Jorma Taccone (director, Over Your Dead Body) and comedian Dylan Adler, interspersed with comedic segments and quick-fire pop culture games.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "What a Week" – ICE at the Airports & Political Theater

[03:00–12:00]

• ICE Deployed to Airports: Lovett satirically details the Trump administration deploying ICE agents to understaffed, unpaid TSA checkpoints due to a partial government shutdown.
• Lovett lampoons the optics: “Here are our boys in green in photo after photo, very helpfully standing around. Look at these guys. They can’t even stand at the airport correctly.” (04:12)
• The dysfunction illustrates the slide from a “high trust to a low trust society,” drawing comedic parallels between boarding gate chaos and US decline.
• Symbolic Political Moves: The deployment is described as performative: “All of this is symbolic. The reason TSA is not funded is because Democrats do not want to fund ICE…” and underlines the hollow nature of such "solutions."
• Shutdown Fallout: Lovett points out that unfunded TSA means unpaid, overwhelmed staff, record wait times, and security failures, with airport Starbucks “one customer away from total collapse.” (06:20)
• Policy Stalemate: He highlights Democratic attempts to get ICE reforms attached to funding bills, the political impossibility of a comprehensive fix (“Funding ICE with no reforms is unacceptable. The complete overhaul… is impossible.”), and lays out the ugly choices before Congress.

2. The Trump Era, Iran, and War as Spectacle

[10:40–17:55]

• War as Reality TV: Lovett draws a line from the ICE airport optics to foreign policy: Trump requests more defense spending, dramatizes the war in Iran, and treats military briefings as entertainment.
• “Trump receives a daily video montage from military officials highlighting the biggest strikes in Iran from the past 48 hours. A briefing that one official described as a series of clips of stuff blowing up. Move over, Bay of Pigs. This is the Michael Bay of pigs.” – Lovett, (13:55)
• Symbolism vs. Substance: Lovett skewers Republicans’ focus on “owning the libs” and television moments over policy effectiveness, referencing the Solyndra saga and the new billion-dollar wind energy contract.
• Satirical Commentary: Lovett riffs on Trump’s bravado and the questionable competence of officials: “Please, Mr. President, save it for the Hague. It’s fun to think about, to have that fantasy, as if we live in that world.” (14:34)

3. Local Politics: LA’s K Line Transit Drama

[21:45–26:18]

• Lovett recounts the conflict over LA’s delayed subway expansion, blending civic pride and sardonic LA humor.
• “It’s going to keep getting longer in front of us, but also behind us somehow.”
• Despite homeowners’ resistance (“it’s gonna shake the cats!”), a vote finally advances the Pink Line project.
• “A real victory for local politics and people standing up for transit. And yeah, it’s still going to take too long, but… LA is finally facing some of the ways it has been governed stupidly for a very, very long time.” (25:50)

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Featured Interview: Jorma Taccone (Director, Writer, Comedian)

[27:08–47:40]

• Lonely Island & Group Creativity:
  • Discusses group dynamics, creativity, and the evolution of jokes in a team: “Oftentimes if we have an idea and only two of the three of us understand the idea, that person will usually leave… then come back and poke holes… by the consensus of like… all three members understand it, then it’s usually the best.” (29:51)
• Remaking European Comedy:
  • Jorma describes the appeal and challenges of remaking The Trip as Over Your Dead Body: “The original is great in a very European way. It’s like super dark… and then I love the script that Nick and Brian wrote… it just tonally, I felt like I could do something [with it].” (33:04–33:27)
• Editing Comedy and Horror:
  • “Comedy is timing so those scenes… I sit in there and the term is frame… sometimes that’s music, sometimes that’s editing, sometimes it’s both.”
  • Highlights the surprising overlap between editing for comic and violent effect: “The scenes that have impact, like the gore scenes, they edit more like jokes because you’re always wanting to be ahead of the audience.” (36:36)
• Memorable Hollywood Anecdote:
  • Jorma recalls smoking weed at Paul Reubens’ house and getting a congratulatory text from Weird Al as a surreal highlight: “I just needed Tony Hawk to kick in the door and be like, ‘I’m your best friend,’ and I would’ve been like, oh shit, my 12-year-old self just like exploded.” (39:38–40:28)
• Game: Which Couples Could Kill?
  • Lovett, Jorma, and the audience riff on hypothetical “murder couples,” applying comedic psychoanalysis to public figures and Lovett’s own fiancé:
    • “If Ari tried to kill me on vacation, I’d just be like… okay. I was wrong about… I just… There’s no reason. I got it.” (46:23)

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Featured Interview: Dylan Adler (Comedian)

[50:17–68:50]

• Touring Abroad & Culture Clash:
  • Adler describes touring Europe with Atsuko Okatsuka, noticing different energies:
    • "The standards of masculinity in Europe are different. So in some countries, I pass, which is crazy." (51:08)
    • “Belgium was me and Atsuko’s probably worst show. I literally did a backflip to abject silence, and they were like, 'That’s dangerous.'” (52:31)
    • Lovett says, “We were shocked by how much people were following American politics, but I didn’t have to do standup.” (52:15)
• Comedy Games – “Do We Want This?”
  • Judging innovations like Melania’s educational robot ("Plato"), Andy Cohen’s AI avatar, the 'Throne One' smart toilet, and a Fitbit for farts.
    • Jorma: “I hope it has a gun. You know what I mean? Like if it's armed.” (58:28)
    • Lovett: "No one is going to have sex with robots. You just remember when I said it." (63:41)
    • Adler: “I have had things wrong for, like, three years… I would love to have this [smart toilet].” (66:18)
• Side-splitting banter about bodily functions, Jewish poop culture, and farts in the recording studio.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jon Lovett on political optics:
  “ICE at the airports is a fitting metaphor for the Trump era. A symbolic deployment during a symbolic shutdown as the President’s chaos and mismanagement draws all of our attention and energy as the country crumbles around us.” (09:10–09:40)
• Lovett on war as performance:
  “Trump receives a daily video montage from military officials highlighting the biggest strikes in Iran from the past 48 hours. A briefing that one official described as a series of clips of stuff blowing up. Move over, Bay of Pigs. This is the Michael Bay of pigs.” (13:55)
• Jorma Taccone on creative teamwork:
  “It’s like a joke starts and then becomes another joke and then becomes like, to the point where you almost don’t know where it began. And it’s a much weirder joke, which I always appreciate.” (30:01)
• Dylan Adler on cultural differences in comedy:
  "What shocked me was how cued in a lot of European countries are with American culture, American politics. But there were certain countries that were truly so quiet and stoic... I did a backflip to abject silence." (52:31)
• Lovett on AI & the future:
  “No one is going to have sex with robots. You just remember when I said it... It’s not part of the future.” (63:41)
• Taccone, on comedy editing:
  “With comedy in particular... it's timing. Editing is timing and comedy is timing.” (34:10)

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Comedic Segments & Timestamps

• ICE & TSA chaos – [03:00–10:50]
• Shutdown and political gridlock – [08:56–10:50]
• Trump’s foreign policy theater – [12:00–17:55]
• LA’s K Line/Pink Line subway saga – [21:41–26:18]
• Interview: Jorma Taccone on group creativity, movie remake, SNL anecdotes – [27:08–39:34]
• Game: "Blind Ranking" Most Murderous Couples – [41:23–47:40]
• Interview: Dylan Adler on European comedy tour – [51:05–54:00]
• Game: "Do We Want This?" (robot teachers, AI Andy Cohen, smart toilets, fart sensors) – [57:15–68:50]
• Second Thoughts (Regrets Segment) – [71:16–74:56]

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, quick-witted, and cuttingly satirical – Lovett brings relentless political snark and self-deprecation, balancing righteous anger with absurdist humor.
• Collaborative and playful – Guests riff along, often matching Lovett’s energy, especially during games and cultural observations.
• Unapologetically queer and inside-jokey – Many bits play off Lovett’s identity, Broadway and Hollywood inside baseball, and progressive politics.

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Conclusion

This episode of Lovett or Leave It is a perfect storm of highbrow cynicism and lowbrow gags, blending smart takes on contemporary politics (especially the farcical ICE-at-airports debacle) with delightfully off-the-wall pop culture and personal stories. Lovett’s comedic rapport with guests like Jorma Taccone and Dylan Adler keeps the episode fast, funny, and fiercely relevant.

For new listeners: You’ll get both a primer in why political dysfunction can be hilarious—and why laughing at it might be essential for survival.

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For quick reference:

• ICE/airport political satire: [03:00–12:00]
• Pop culture games: [41:23–47:40, 57:15–68:50]
• Hollywood stories & creative process: [27:08–39:34]
• LA local government & politics: [21:41–26:18]

Transcript

[John Lovett]

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[John Lovett]

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[Jorma Taccone]

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[John Lovett]

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[John Lovett]

Hey, I'm Josh Spiegel, host of the podcast Lunatic in the Newsroom. If you enjoy journalism that drifts into mild panic, wild overthinking, and a guaranteed nervous breakdown, Lunatic in the Newsroom is for you. It's news like you've never heard before. The only newsroom with a panic button. You'll laugh, you'll cry and gasp in horror as the show spirals completely out of control. It's not just news, it's emotionally unstable. Lunatic in the Newsroom. Listen today. What's up, los angeles? Welcome to love it or leave it live at dynasty typewriter. Great show for you tonight. Jorma Tacone is here. Dylan Adler is here. Together, we will find out which couples can kill, what trending slop actually makes us pop, and. And of course, we'll regret it all by the end. With second thoughts. But first, let's get into it. What a week. The Trump administration began deploying ICE agents to airports across the US Purportedly to address long security lines as the partial government shutdown shut down. Fuck. Let care. No, we're doing it. Leave it in it. Let it left TSA unpaid and understaffed, explained an ICE spokesperson to a journalist holding a small audio recorder. Drop the gun. Here are our boys in green in photo after photo, very helpfully standing around. Look at these guys. They can't even stand at the airport correctly. You gotta go to a gate and 10 minutes before boarding begins, you gotta stand in the boarding area because even though that means until your group is called, everyone has to ask who is and isn't in line and then awkwardly go around each other and you will be first to board with your group, which in turn creates pressure for everyone to crowd the boarding era because you risk not having space for your bag because you respected the process. Even though if everyone respected the process and waited in their seats or just not directly in front of the gate, everyone would board in roughly the same order anyway. Which is just a small example how life gets worse as you move from a high trust to a low trust society. Another example being Donald Trump as President and deploying ice to the fucking airports. Anyway, Trump waxed poetic in a true social post about the deployment to airports, saying, quote, the public is loving ice. They are great American patriots. They just happen to have much larger and harder muscles than most, which is what they're supposed to have. I know there are direct flights to Charleston. I want the two layovers, I need them, said Lindsey Graham, saliva dripping onto the table. Meanwhile, the TSA's acting administrator said Wednesday that ICE shuffling around in the little vests hadn't magically fixed the problem. More than 480 TSA agents have quit since the shutdown began, and the country's airports are experiencing the highest wait times in history. If only Kamala were elected, we could be experiencing the highest wait times in herstory.

[Dylan Adler]

Aww.

[John Lovett]

And it's not all bad. Every ICE agent drinking a taxpayer funded Starbucks at Newark Terminal B is one fewer ICE agent harassing people on the street. But it's also one more person in line at the airport Starbucks. And every airport Starbucks does seem like it's one customer away from total collapse. Think of it. The one place, if you told me that an ICE agent put their gun up in the air and fired to try to calm the chaos, I'd be like, let's hear him out. But all of this is symbolic. The reason TSA is not funded is because Democrats do not want to fund ice, with the exception of John Fetterman, who's in the middle of his own version of Eat, Pray, Love. But instead of trying new pasta shapes until you realize you are enough, you have a stroke and realize you are conservative. Okay, so we're not funding TSA because We're not funding ICE. But ICE is sitting on $85 billion from Trump's big, beautiful bill. So in order to avoid funding ice, we've created a situation in which only ICE is funded by I haven't seen ICE ruin this many people's travel plans since the Titanic. Delta Air Lines announced this week that it was suspending some airport perks for members of Congress until the shutdown is over like a designated check in desk. Not to be outdone, Spirit Airlines said it was going to stop hosing the turds out of the aisle between flights. But the whole reason Democrats drew this line was to create pressure on Trump and Republicans to attach reforms to any funding bill to rein in ICE's war successes. But when Democrats proposed reforms to require ICE to wear ID and show their faces, to codify rules around the use of force, to reaffirm the need for judicial warrants and prohibit baseless detentions, to protect people at hospitals and at courthouses, among other proposals, a bunch of online warriors and some lefties mock these Democrats as centrist squishes proposing half measures to reform an agency that cannot be fixed. But whatever our aim is in the long term, right now, the truth is the only hope of any reform at ICE in the next several years is through a deal because it will require Republican Republican votes in Congress. Not to mention Trump's signature saying lol Democrats bad sidesteps. The actual hard question. Funding ICE with no reforms is unacceptable. The complete overhaul we'd want is impossible. Trump is at his lowest ebb and Democrats have leverage. The question is what can we extract right now to make giving up our leverage worth it? And like Melinda Gates said to her divorce attorneys, let's fuck em all the way back to Epstein's Island. This week, Trump demanded Republicans hold out on a deal unless it includes not only ICE funding but his elections that will require married women to show their passports, birth certificates or whole to vote in the midterms. This is the SAVE act, which doesn't have enough votes to pass on its own, let alone when tied to government funding.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

So I'm tying Homeland Security into voter identification with picture and proof of citizenship in order to vote, and I'm requesting that the Republican senators do that immediately. You don't have to take a fast vote. Don't worry about Easter going home. In fact, make this one for Jesus, okay?

[John Lovett]

And then if Jesus does come back, we'll finally have enough funding to deport that barefoot Arab socialist back to the desert he came from. On Tuesday, Senate Democrats rejected a framework from Republicans to end the shutdown because it didn't go far enough. And as of this recording, the negotiations are ongoing as more and more TSA agents and call in sick or quit altogether. And I'll say to them the same thing I said to the crooked media workers union during our bargaining sessions. Come on, please work for free. Please just work for free. Didn't work. On Thursday, the Senate held a test vote on what Republicans called their best and final offer. In the end, to no one's surprise, only John Fetterman crossed the aisle. Republicans can count on his vote until that next stroke turns him Maoist and he disappears into the Poconos for 20 years. But buckle up for when he comes back. You will not believe what happens when Fetterman Maoist comes out of the wilderness in 20 years. They are ready. All of this is why ice at the airports is a fitting metaphor for the Trump era. A symbolic deployment during a symbolic shutdown as the President's chaos and mismanagement draws all of our attention and energy as the country crumbles around us. The Pentagon has a trillion dollar budget, but Trump says they need another $200 billion for the war in Iran. We already supposed.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

You know, I don't like to say this. We've won this with this war has been won. The only one that likes to keep it going is the fake news.

[John Lovett]

Meanwhile, on the tarmac at LaGuardia on Sunday night, as people were in terminals waiting in security lines for hours to be screened by unpaid TSA agents, two pilots died in a collision, one of a series of mishaps under an FAA that has been underfunded, overworked and saddled with obsolete technology. And we can't just sit back and let people die because we underfunded critical life saving infrastructure while expecting overwhel professionals to make up for our neglect. It's an airport, not a hospital. Trump's own Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy, who I would make fun of for being a reality star, except he happens to be one of the most responsible members of Trump's cabinet, is going around to Congress hat in hand, begging for money to fix the air traffic control system for a tiny fraction of what Trump wants to spend turning ayatollahs from a liquid into a gas memory lane. Memory lane. And you know what that sound means. It's time for a trip down memory lane. Back in the 2000 and tens, conservatives spent years yelling on TV and holding hearings and conducting investigations about a company called Solyndra. This was a supposedly epic boondoggle because the Obama administration backed loans of $535 million, half a billion dollars as part of a guarantee to this solar company. Solyndra and that company went under and the government lost that $535 million. Now, that loan was only 3% of that overall loan program. Democrats assumed that some fraction of the companies that received loans would fail. That's why the government had to be a backstop in the first place, these were some risky bets. It's like how we make this show. A certain amount of failure is just baked into the process. But even with the losses from Solyndra, that loan program under the Obama administration funded clean energy and created jobs, while also returning every dime of taxpayer money. Pl interest. Taxpayers made a profit on that loan program. Republicans turned a real world success into a symbolic scandal for television. And yet this week, the Trump administration announced it was writing a check for a billion dollars to a French energy company as a payoff for killing two offshore wind farms. In exchange, the company. I'm sorry, the company Total Energis has promised to subsidize oil and gas production in Texas while promising not to pursue offshore wind energy in America ever again. In other words, the Trump administration is paying the French a billion dollars to not work their favorite thing. And Republicans who claim to be outraged by waste and by the government choosing winners and losers won't say a peep. Because for these people, the real world impact does not matter. The long term cost to the country doesn't matter. What matters is the symbolism. What matters is owning the libs and what plays on television. That's what we're seeing with Iran. Wednesday, NBC News reported that Trump receives a daily video montage from military officials highlighting the biggest strikes in Iran from the past 48 hours. A briefing that one official described as a series of clips of stuff blowing up. Move over, Bay of Pigs. This is the. Michael, Bay of pigs, responded J.D. vance. Look, obviously we're concerned about the screen time, but, you know, one day you're gonna have a president of your own and you're gonna see just how hard it is to get a moment of peace. And this isn't the only briefing Trump gets about the war. But it's raising concerns even among his allies that he might not be receiving the full picture of how things are going, especially when you consider the company he keeps. On Monday, Trump had this to say about the decision to start a war with Iran and the influence of his defense secretary.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up and you said, let's do it.

[John Lovett]

Please, Mr. President, save it for the Hague. It's fun to think about, to have that fantasy, as if we live in that world. On Wednesday evening, Trump spoke at an annual Republican gala and said this about Iran.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

And they are negotiating, by the way, and they want to make a deal so badly, but they're afraid to say it because they figure they'll be killed by their own people. They're Also afraid they'll be killed by us.

[John Lovett]

Not sure where that paranoia is coming from when you have the reassurances of the defense secretary. And that's why we see ourselves as part of this negotiation as well. We negotiate with bombs. Oh, oh, but that's not what that word means. You don't get a better deal on a CRV by throwing a brick through a window of the dealership. Even if you're trying to take out their lead salesman. You're just radicalizing the junior associates. Especially because you did this during Happy Honda Days. Take out the lead negotiator. There's somebody on the lower ebb that we could work with. Not anymore. They're fucking furious. You took out the window and then lead negotiator in the middle of this precious time called Happy Hamda Days. There was a story in Zatteo today that Hegseth's nickname around the pentagon is dumb McNamara. This really bothered me because it's not a play on Robert McNamara at all. And so we have some alternatives. Thick Cheney, Blondelisa Rice, Donald Dumsfeld, and Ugg Fyfe. There's a question as to whether people remembered Ugg Fyth, said Trump at Thursday's Cabinet meeting.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

And just so we set the record straight, because I've been watching the Wall Street Journal's fake news and all these stories that get printed like, oh, I want to make a deal. They are begging to make a deal. Not me. They're begging.

[John Lovett]

Sure, buddy. Trump teased that Iran had even given him a gift and confirmed at the Cabinet meeting that the gift was allowing eight oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz. Also, the oil tankers were made of wood and shaped like horses. A wonderful, thoughtful gift. So Trump says we're winning the war and Iran is begging for a deal. But Iran rejected a ceasefire and Trump is sending thousands of paratroopers to the region, while Iran is reportedly building up its defenses around a place called Kharg island, which handles 90% of the country's crude exports in preparation for a possible U.S. ground operation. Kharg island doesn't sound like a place we should be sending American troops. It sounds like where we should have to travel to get a Gold Star and Mario Party or to rescue your wife from King Kong. But Trump and the Republicans have a problem. Markets don't care about how the war looks on television. Markets care about the price of oil, and voters don't care when the Secretary of Defense says, we're bombing the woke out of Wokistan when gas is pushing $5 a gallon. That's why Trump's approval, according to a new Reuters poll, hit a new low of 36%. Trump's own district in Palm beach just elected a Democrat two years ago. A Republican won that seat by 20 points. Meanwhile, the President is touring Graceland while the country is at war. Elvis had two 8th degree black belts in karate. One was in Kenpo, and that's what this class.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Was he really good or was it just.

[John Lovett]

Actually, he was really good. He started practicing.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Could I have taken him in a fight?

[John Lovett]

I don't know. You might. I think he would have been respectful

[Jorma Taccone]

enough to let you in.

[John Lovett]

Yes, he probably would. Would Elvis have let Trump win? A lot of people forget this, but Elvis had a lesbian sister who he loved and whose partner he embraced. And a lot of people forget this because I made it up. Elvis never said that much about politics after he got that little badge from Nixon. The Colonel wanted to protect Elvis's all American image. And. And you can get pretty far in America on how things seem. But right now, the American people are furious about how things actually are. And Trump can hit the stage and swing his hips and blow his kisses and serenade the five, but at the end of the day, he's just a fat slob past his prime, shooting at the TV and slowly dying on the fucking toilet. Which, by the way, is my favorite Elvis album. That's love on the tv, dying on the fucking toilet. Mama. Mama. That's love dying on the toilet.

[Dylan Adler]

Mama.

[John Lovett]

Was it? Did I do better in rehearsal?

[Dylan Adler]

Momma.

[John Lovett]

Mama. Mama. That's it. Moma.

[Jorma Taccone]

Moma.

[John Lovett]

Show's over. Mama sits for an hour. Mama. Mama. It's similar. You gotta do the. You go the back of your throat. It's the French. Then you go lower. We got a great show for you tonight. Jormun Tacone is here. Momo. Momo. Momo. And we'll be right back.

[Jorma Taccone]

Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up.

[John Lovett]

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[Jorma Taccone]

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[John Lovett]

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[John Lovett]

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[John Lovett]

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There's also a bunch of money set aside if we can accelerate this project. There's 2.2 some odd billion dollars set aside to do it. But there is this problem. In order to build a train, you have to dig a tunnel because it's Los Angeles. And the tunnel ends up going about 100ft under some homes in Lafayette Square. So the community in Lafayette Square said, we don't want a giant train under our 100ft under our house because it's gonna shake the cats. And so it's gonna make the cats scared and we'll be scared and it'll be shaking all the time like they imagined from the movies. So they did a study, two studies. Millions of dollars was spent delaying the project on studies. And the studies came back and they said, actually these train holes will be so far underground, I don't know what they technically are called. Sort of these train paths, tunnels. These tunnels, technical term, tunnels, will be so far underground that it'll be actually imperceptible without fine instruments. And you're not a fine instrument. You're a homeowner in Mid City, so you're fine. The cats won't know. You won't know, let's build this thing. And they said, no, we're still worried about the tunnels. Can you move the route? And they're like, well, if we move the route, the train's gonna have to turn right and then turn left. And trains hate doing that. So it's gonna slow the train down. They said, please, the tunnel for no reason. And everybody said, fine, fine. Homeowners in Lafayette Square, we're gonna move the tunnel. So now if you look at the map of what happens with the K Line, it goes like this and it comes around and it stays under San Vicente, so it doesn't go out under as many homes. And they said, thank you so much, this train may never be built. And so they tried to stop it, but they got some pretty big hitters involved, including Mayor Karen Bass, who seemed to be receptive to some of their arguments. And so there was a question going into what was a pivotal vote today that nobody really knew about, that basically meant that if the measure passed but there was another motion to delay it, the K line could never be started to be even considered being constructed until 2041. 2041. If it was delayed any further, it still may not be built until 2041. But there's a chance now we can unlock some of these billions of dollars and get the thing built faster. But. But a lot of people spoke up. It seemed to really piss off Mayor Karen Bass, who put out a statement saying, anyone who suggests I'm gonna stand in the way of this train is spreading misinformation, but I will make sure this community is heard. And it's like, well, wait, what if they're hurt? We can hear them, but can we then ignore them? That was the question. But the good news is, today there was a vote and a lot of people spoke up, a lot of people came to the meeting. There's a lot of behind the scenes negotiations, and at the end of the day, the. The Metro board voted to expand the K line without any delay. So it was a real victory for local politics and people standing up for transit. And yeah, it's still going to take too long, but that's a good example of how LA is finally facing some of the ways it has been governed stupidly for a very, very long time. Now. That doesn't mean we're not doing stupid things elsewhere, like how they're trying to implement SB79. But this was a good example of people speaking up, putting on pressure, and it got the local government to move faster to build the K line, which they're calling the Pink Line to the Pink Pony Club because it goes through. We.

[Jorma Taccone]

Oh,

[John Lovett]

that's all I wanted to say about that. Love it or leave it is coming back to our nation's Capital. Join us on April 23rd at the Lincoln Theater to pregame the White House Correspondent's Dinner Weekend and then not go to it. We have some awesome guests, which I am announcing right now for the first time, CNN's Jake Tapper, Senator Chris Murphy, and Ms. Now, Simone Sanders Townsend, and Eugene Daniels. That's a great lineup. Could be more. There could be more great guests coming down the pike. You don't know yet. There's some tickets left. Not that many. Go to crooked.comevents to get them before they sell out. All right. Please welcome to the stage the director of a hilarious new horror movie. You'll laugh, you'll be scared. You can do two things called over your dead body. It's Jorma Taccone.

[Jorma Taccone]

Hi.

[John Lovett]

Hi. Thanks for being here. Come on in.

[Jorma Taccone]

Love you, too. If you said, I love you, then I love you, too. I don't know. I don't know if that's what you said. Oh, Righteous Kill. Oh, that's my podcast.

[John Lovett]

Okay, great. Quaid Army. It's such an army.

[Jorma Taccone]

Unbelievably difficult thing to explain.

[John Lovett]

What's Quaid?

[Jorma Taccone]

Why we decided to call our fans Quaid's.

[John Lovett]

Is it after Randy or Dennis? Neither. Wow.

[Jorma Taccone]

Neither.

[John Lovett]

Is it from. Is it from Total Recall? Yes, it is. Oh, then. Then I'm fluent. Yeah. Great.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Oh, say no more.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, say no more. Yes. Yes, it is. Because of a sketch that we did on snl, which was Andy playing a quado in someone's. Have you seen it?

[John Lovett]

Well, I've seen the sketch, and I'm aware of Quado.

[Jorma Taccone]

Okay, great. Yeah, yeah. And then while we were writing the sketch, I thought it was really funny that Quado should call anyone who's not a quado a Quaid. And then when we wrote the sketch, I was like, we should start calling each other quades. Like, I was really obsessed with it. And then I mentioned it on the pod, and then it somehow became that our listeners are Quaid. Anyway, that's the story.

[John Lovett]

Quaid hive.

[Jorma Taccone]

Rise up, Quaid Army.

[John Lovett]

I love that.

[Jorma Taccone]

Thank you. By the way. I really want to sit like you. Like, Like.

[John Lovett]

I know.

[Jorma Taccone]

When I saw the show, I was like, oh, we get to sit like this.

[John Lovett]

You can sit over. You want.

[Jorma Taccone]

Oh, that's great. These chairs are like a little monkey.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, I like to be up. I don't.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, that's good. Normally. Okay, good.

[John Lovett]

Hey, you were part of. You're part of Lonely Island. Yeah, technically, I'm part of a group. The Pade America.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, I know, I know. I was saying, I was telling you, like, it's just crazy to see your face. I was telling Peter Miller, who is my brother in law who writes for this show, but I was telling him that it was nice to see how handsome you were.

[John Lovett]

Wow.

[Jorma Taccone]

I said that?

[John Lovett]

You know, he told me that you said that. And I appreciate that we didn't talk about this backstage. I really am. I consider myself the funny one. So I'm curious what you learned about being part of a group and if you have any tips for getting the other members of the group to hang out with you outside of work.

[Jorma Taccone]

It's tough. It's tough. I got kids and we all have kids, so it's hard to even. For our pod, it's hard to even find the time to actually see each other. We were trying to calculate when the last time we all saw each other together with Seth Meyer. The. The podcast is with Seth Meyers as well. And we. It's before the pandemic. They all hung out together, which is really sad.

[John Lovett]

Yeah.

[Jorma Taccone]

So I don't have any advice for that at all. But being a part of the group, like, what.

[John Lovett]

What have you learned? Like, navigating being part of a creative.

[Jorma Taccone]

Well, you're so. But it. But it's weirder, right? Because it's three people, right? So like, ours is more like democratically, it's like majority rule. So oftentimes if we have an idea and only two of the three of us understand the idea, that person will usually leave until the idea is a little bit more fully formed. And then the per. Like, the third guy will come in and poke holes and be like, this is why I don't understand this, like, logic. And then you make it better by, like, the consensus of like. Like, once it gets to the point where all three members understand it, then it's usually the best. And then I would say, like, there's a lot of fucking piggybacking. So you almost don't know where the. You know how writers rooms are. It's like, it's like a joke starts and then it becomes another joke and then becomes like, to the point where you almost don't know where it began. And it's a much weirder joke, which I always appreciate.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, I feel like that people will ask about certain jokes from the, like, correspondence era or other, and I'm like, I have no idea where jokes started and ended. How could you possibly keep track of that? I mean, I know the good ones are mine, but I don't really remember. So your new movie over Your dead body.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

It's a remake of a 2021 Norwegian black comedy called the Trip.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yes. Which is such a weird thing. To even have wanted to make a remake was a very odd thing for me.

[John Lovett]

How did you think about it?

[Jorma Taccone]

Well, so it got proposed to me from a producer named Guy Donella, who worked with Tommy Wirkola. I'm gonna go ahead and say that that's how you say it. Norwegian. Tommy made the movie Violent Night, which is the Santa Claus Die Hard movie, basically. And he's made a whole bunch of other movies. And there was like a Venn diagram there of like, he's doing action comedy and I'm doing comedy action. And there was some crossover there. And Tommy had been quoting some of our movies on, like, like Hot Rod, he loved. And he loved pop star and MacGruber and things like that. So, like, so he was just quoting us like, on. On set. And Guy was like, ah, I haven't met that guy. Da, da. Like, I'll hit him up. So he. He hit me up and then. And a week later he was like, this is weird. But, you know, Tommy made this movie called the Trip. It's originally called In Bad Days was the original, like, Norwegian title, but it's like on Netflix. So I, like, I watched it and it's fucking crazy to like, make any remake of it to even want to do that. But it's also weird for how recent it is. Like, it's like. It's just. It was only a couple of years ago that it came out. The original is great in a very European way. It's like super dark. Like, it is like. It's about two people who go to a cabin and want to kill each other, basically. And then crazy ensues and it gets like, weirder and weirder and like, it's a. It's. It's a really fun. I don't want to spoil anything, but, like, it goes all these different places and I love. But I loved the original. I thought it was great. And then I love the. The script that Nick and Brian wrote. They're in a group called Britannic, or I think I'm pronouncing it, but like, it was a really funny script and it felt much more like me in that. It. Like, it just tonally, I felt like I could do something and I. And then casting wise, like with Jason, Segel and Samara, it was just so fun to make and it was a real challenge for me because it's like, there's drama in it. There's actual real acting scenes. There's full on action. Like not funny action necessarily. It's pretty fucking gory. But it was all these different tones and then weaving throughout. It is like we were pushing the comedy as much as we could, but within it being a real situation. So for me it was just like the challenge of doing it. That was a really fucking long answer.

[John Lovett]

No, it was good. I'm interested, I'm interested. It was interesting. I'm fully in. It could have been longer.

[Jorma Taccone]

Thank you, John.

[John Lovett]

So I'm glad you brought up the difference between sort of the comedy aspect and the horror aspect because we were talking about sort of some of the iconic sketches and songs. And what I wanted to talk to you about was actually editing because how much of. I think what made them really special, among other reasons, was in part they were just like the comedy editing was really so excellent and that comedy editing and editing generally just gets short shrift as to how much is made through editing. And I'm wondering how you think about the difference between editing something for comedy and then editing something for suspense.

[Jorma Taccone]

Well, just like there was one moment. This is a tangent, but like, but there was one moment we got a bad review of the movie Hot Rod. And one of the, like the criticisms was that it was poorly edited. And I was like, the amount of fucking time that we spend, like literally sitting there being like one frame, two frame, because it is down to the frame to me, with comedy in particular. And so, you know, I've spent fucking thousands of hours. Every single one of the digital shorts that you saw, like, that we made and we made, made over a hundred is like this was before they had editors even working at the show. So me and Akiva like edited everything. So I was there like in, at SNL when no one's even in the building when, like when we're editing these things. So we put so much time and energy and as you said, like, it's like, it's, it really is, it's timing. Editing is timing and comedy is timing. So those scenes, what was really fun for me was that the, the scenes that are purely comedy or have like a comedy moment in it, those are the scenes that I sit in there and. And the term is frame. And like, and you and I sit there and get it and get it and get. And some. Sometimes that's music, sometimes that's like the edit. Sometimes it's both. Oftentimes it's both. And then, and then the, and the action. Same thing. Like, I like it, you know, it's it's removing frames. Sometimes it's even like, you know, like, there's a punch and you are taking out the frames in between here and here. And then it just seems super aggressive. So you spend the time on all these things that. Action, the comedy. And then. And then some of those things are like. Like either the suspense, as you're saying, or. Or. Or the moments where suspense becomes like, a punch or like a piece action. And I would sit there and. And really fucking focus on those scenes the way I would with any comedy scene. But what was really fun for me was the scenes that don't involve that and are just purely like Jason and Samara, really acting and being with each other and leaving the camera on them. Because it's so fun to see a performer, the little shifts in the eye or when they have. Because there's a lot going on in this movie, and there's a lot going on if you see it twice, because you sort of see things in a different vantage point. And so it was just. It was really fun for me to see how easy those scenes were to edit and not fucking with them, because I'm so used to, like, overly, like, da, da, da, da. But, like. But those scenes, like, the ones that have impact, like the gore scenes, they edit more like jokes because you're always wanting to be ahead of the audience. I'm like, that was a big thing for us as a. And what I was always saying with Lonely island stuff is that the stupider the joke, the faster you tell it, because you just want to be ahead of your audience. And so a lot of the violence and stuff that happens in this is, like, it's. It's punchy in that way of, like. And sometimes it takes a full day to be, like, now it's good. Like, you know, really sit there. Another long answer. Apologize.

[John Lovett]

Hey, did you see the new Justin Timberlake DUI footage?

[Jorma Taccone]

I haven't seen it yet. On the way here, my Uber driver was talking a lot about it.

[John Lovett]

It's. It's. He's very likable, even while getting arrested, which is, I think, what. But that's it, you know, he has it.

[Jorma Taccone]

He definitely does. I've been saying, like, like. Like, the story about Justin to me is that I've never met anyone more confident in my life. Like, absolutely. Like, and when we made Dick in a Box, he was like, that's a hit. I was like, a hit. Like, wait, what? Like, the beat sucks. This is like two perverts.

[John Lovett]

There's a. That's a Hit. That's so cool. Do you want to see a clip of him getting arrested?

[Jorma Taccone]

It.

[John Lovett]

Let's watch it.

[Jorma Taccone]

I don't know. What, are you visiting?

[John Lovett]

Yeah, I'm on tour. What are you doing? I'm on the royal tour. I'm Justin Timberlake. What's, what's your name? Justin Timberlake.

[Dylan Adler]

You are Justin Timberlake?

[John Lovett]

Yeah.

[Jorma Taccone]

White. I'm just kidding.

[John Lovett]

He says, you call me White. I'm just kidding. And then he ever says, like, well, what kind of tour? And he goes, it's hard to explain. I'm Justin Timberlake. Which I found charming.

[Jorma Taccone]

Well, it's. It's also weird when your name is a brag. Yeah, like, his actual name is him bragging. Strange. Hasn't happened to me yet.

[John Lovett]

You played Pee Wee Herman in the Weird Al movie.

[Jorma Taccone]

I did, yeah.

[John Lovett]

How far did you go?

[Jorma Taccone]

I bet not far. No, I, I, I dressed up as Pee Wee Herman twice for Halloween. Like, once when I was, like, 14. And then I, I was lucky enough to become friends with Paul later in life, and he was just the sweetest man alive. I don't know if you've seen that documentary, but it's amazing. He's so. He was such a great per. I mean, like, Like, I didn't realize my. My wife made this movie called Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, which is about Mr. Rogers. And I didn't realize, like, he was, like, the weird Mr. Rogers. He was, like, so sweet. So much connection in the audience and. Yeah, and I was so fucking nervous because they were very secretive about that movie, and you couldn't say anything about, like, you being in it or anything like that. And I was so worried that Paul was gonna fucking hate it. Like, like, but he. He was cool. Can I tell you my favorite moment of my life? Like, in Hollywood, you have all these.

[John Lovett]

Yes, tell it, tell it, tell it, please.

[Jorma Taccone]

I. I had a moment. This is. This is my brag. This is not. This is my Justin Timberlake. But I was at Paul Rubin's house with Paul Rust. They were writing the Pee Wee Big Holiday movie. And at the time, I was gonna maybe direct it, and then instead we had to do this movie. Pop Star. Fucking bummer. But I was smoking weed with Paul Rubens at his kitchen table, and then I got a text from Weird Al Yankovic saying, congrats on the Grammy nomination. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, I just needed Tony Hawk to, like, kick in the door and be like, I'm your best friend. And I would have been like, oh, shit, my 12 year old self just like exploded.

[John Lovett]

But it's never enough, is it?

[Jorma Taccone]

Never enough. The pit is so large.

[John Lovett]

It's like now I'm here, but what's past here? You know, what's higher than this? There must be something because this is already faded. Now that moment is gone. Now I'm just here, the thrill of it is done and I'll just go home. So I guess start all over again, right?

[Jorma Taccone]

You guys are laughing, but this is just true.

[John Lovett]

Speaking of the yawning chasm between meaning and death, your new movie, over your dead body. You've got a couple played by Samara Weaving and Jason Segel who go on vacation only to discover that's this may be a murderous trip of some kind. Yes, sort of romantic if you ask me. In honor of your new film, we bring you a segment we're calling over who's dead body.

[Jorma Taccone]

Oh and oh Lord, that's dark.

[John Lovett]

We're gonna have you blind. Rank the following couples based on how likely they are to murder each other on vacation. Wait, how do we blind. Forget the blind ranking part. We're gonna just look at these couples.

[Jorma Taccone]

I think that's better.

[John Lovett]

Would this couple murder each other on vacation? And if so, who would win? First up, Vince and Linda McMahon. Oh, Vince McMahon Co founded the WWE. Linda McMahon was a longtime WWE exec, is the current US Secretary of Education. They've been married since 1966, but separated in 2024. On Tuesday, Linda tweeted a wild post that said in 2005, everything changed. The PlayStation Portable was released and it did more than make gaming portable, it made entertainment. Personal, mobile, and always within reach. It was the beginning of life on the. That's what the Secretary of Education posted this week. It's an insane feat of sponcon. Also Simply false. The PlayStation Portable changed nothing. Didn't evolve anything. We'd had game boys forever. Crazy, crazy now. Last summer, Vince was cited for reckless driving after crashing his Bentley into another car on a highway in Connecticut. When asked what he was doing, Vince said this.

[Jorma Taccone]

Why were you driving over 100 miles an hour?

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

It's my granddaughter's birthday.

[John Lovett]

He had to get to his granddaughter's birthday. Just being a pop pop.

[Jorma Taccone]

That's sweet.

[John Lovett]

Just being a good grandpa.

[Jorma Taccone]

What a good guy.

[John Lovett]

Would you a. Do you think they would try to kill each other on vacation? Okay, who do you think would emerge triumphant?

[Jorma Taccone]

Well, I'm basing this off this photo, which it does look like he's almost wearing like a neck brace in this photo.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Right.

[John Lovett]

I think that Is.

[Jorma Taccone]

But it looks cool.

[John Lovett]

It does look cool.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, it does look really cool. Looks like he broke his neck in the. This photo. I have a friend who works for the New York Times named Fred, and he has a. A phrase. This is just a slight tangent, but like. But his phrase is, like, he loves saying top turnbuckle. You know how in any, like, WWE fight, like, they build to that, right? It's like. And then when you get up on the top turnbuckle, like, it's the, like, last, like, you know, boom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he likes to say, like, if somebody comes in hot, they're coming. Top turnbuckle. I feel like Vince in this picture is top turnbuckle, so I feel like he would have an advantage. If she was going to kill him, I would certainly hope that she would choke him out with those pearls.

[John Lovett]

Good answer. Good answer. I think that's right. But I think next up we have Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry. Okay. Do you think they would try to murder each other on vacation? And if so, who'd win?

[Jorma Taccone]

I think that any Canadian is sadly too polite to murder anyone. I mean, Canadian versus American. No way. She's definitely killing that dude.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, she's got that also, like, kind of pop star energy where it's like. Like she's done a kind of Pilates that hasn't actually been shown to the public. You know what I mean? Like, it's a private government Pentagon. There's like, a DARPA level of Pilates that's only to seven women. It's like. Like, Katy Perry. Like, maybe Rihanna has access to it. Like, very few and to only them. And, like, the.

[Jorma Taccone]

The.

[John Lovett]

They're like, we. The research is conclusive. Like, this is the final.

[Jorma Taccone]

And they did it in, like, a hot room, too. So, like, so on vacation, if they were on a beach, she could still do it.

[John Lovett]

Do you remember on a top in gold, golden eye, how she could kill people by squeezing them to death with her?

[Jorma Taccone]

That was such a good game. And PlayStation changed the game changed everything.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Changed everything.

[Jorma Taccone]

Changed everything. Yeah. Katy Perry.

[John Lovett]

Great. I agree. That's correct. Let's do one more. Paul Thomas Anderson and Maya Rudolph.

[Jorma Taccone]

Oh, no.

[John Lovett]

God.

[Jorma Taccone]

I would.

[John Lovett]

You could just say they won't do it.

[Jorma Taccone]

These are, like, friends of mine. I don't want to, like, talk about it.

[John Lovett]

Well, you don't have to. It's not real. It's not real.

[Jorma Taccone]

Oh, but I have to answer.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, that's the rules of the podcast.

[Jorma Taccone]

God. Yeah.

[John Lovett]

And you were saying backstage, he's overrated as a Director. And it's like, definitely. And it's like, oh, we get it.

[Jorma Taccone]

I don't know if I can answer this one.

[John Lovett]

You said Magnolia.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah. There's such a wonderful couple. Is that. That's a really boring answer. They're so fun.

[John Lovett]

They're so fun.

[Jorma Taccone]

They are so fun.

[John Lovett]

Who would kill and who would be.

[Jorma Taccone]

Paul would kill and you.

[John Lovett]

Yeah. Good.

[Jorma Taccone]

Look how. Look at these. Like, she's a little scamp in that photo too. They're both scamps. Look at them. Two scamps.

[John Lovett]

Oh, one final one.

[Jorma Taccone]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

This is me and my fiance. Okay. So you haven't met Ari, but you've met me. And who do you think would win?

[Jorma Taccone]

How long have you guys been together?

[John Lovett]

Couple years. Okay. I think that I'm dead.

[Jorma Taccone]

And you love him.

[John Lovett]

Love to. So much. I would be so shocked to be murdered on vacation.

[Jorma Taccone]

My.

[John Lovett]

Honestly, I think at that point I'd be like, I didn't understand the world. Let it happen. I was right. That's what I would say. I honestly. I swear to God, if Ari tried to kill me on vacation, I'd just be like that. Okay. I was wrong about. I just. There's no reason. I got it. If I got it this wrong all the way to 43, like, I'm out. That's okay. I deserve it.

[Jorma Taccone]

This also, I. He looks sweet, so I would imagine

[John Lovett]

that's the whole thing. Be a shock.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[Jorma Taccone]

Would Ari poison you? Like, what do you think? Like, if he was really going to

[John Lovett]

do it, I think. What would. I don't know.

[Jorma Taccone]

He wouldn't stab you or anything.

[John Lovett]

I think, actually, I think that I could. Honestly, I think that, like, on a busy week, if you just jumped out of a corner and scared me, I'd have a heart attack. Just take me out when I'm stressed after a tough drive home, like, really trafficking and I'm late for something. Just go, boo, I'm out.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

And then, you know, victimless crime, basically, or. No, that's not what I mean. What do I mean? They'll get away with it. Hey, by the way. By the way, I'll tell you something. If Ari murders me, I hope they get away with it. I'm in again. Like, I. I had pretty.

[Jorma Taccone]

Pretty cute. You guys are pretty cute couple too, right?

[John Lovett]

Yeah, we're cute.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[Jorma Taccone]

Got some cool tats too.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, they. They have tattoos. They're. They're. They're. They're cooler than me.

[Jorma Taccone]

Right on.

[John Lovett]

I'm like, tattoos. What about the cemetery? That's what I think. Yeah, that's what I think about it, but I'll tell you until you get to the cemetery, boy, you better go see over your dead body. April 24 Seamless tie in with Dylan Adler. Please go see it.

[Jorma Taccone]

Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up.

[John Lovett]

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[Jorma Taccone]

Damn right.

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[Jorma Taccone]

All right. Hi, guys.

[John Lovett]

My next guest loves to move fast and break things. It's hilarious. Dylan Adler.

[Jorma Taccone]

Dylan, get out. Hi.

[John Lovett]

Hi.

[Jorma Taccone]

We just met backstage, but this guy is great.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes. Oh, moving fast and breaking things. That's right.

[John Lovett]

You were on tour with Atsuko.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes, I opened for her. I've been opening for her for about five years now, and I was just with her in Boise, Idaho.

[Jorma Taccone]

Beautiful.

[Dylan Adler]

I know. I'm lucky.

[John Lovett]

And you were in Europe? Yes.

[Dylan Adler]

I've never been outside of the country until last year, where I got to open for her in Europe. It was fucking incredible.

[John Lovett]

And the women, they thought you were someone they could hit on.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes. Okay, so the standards of masculinity in Europe are different. So in some countries, I pass, which is crazy. Like, I was.

[John Lovett]

What country, honey? Public Republic of Pakistan. Like, what are you talking about?

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah, yeah, France.

[John Lovett]

Exactly.

[Dylan Adler]

The Republic of France. I.

[John Lovett]

There.

[Dylan Adler]

I'm. I've never had it happen before, but it was like a flight attendant on Air France, I don't know. And she was like, oh, do you want to. Do you want a complimentary meal? And then I was like, why, yes, I would.

[Cool Stuff Daily Announcer]

Thank you so much.

[Dylan Adler]

I would like a compliment. You know, some people are gay for pay. I'm straight for cheese tray.

[John Lovett]

Did you actually.

[Jorma Taccone]

It's such a weird way to hit on someone.

[Dylan Adler]

I know, I know. I don't mind. Yeah, yeah.

[John Lovett]

Did you notice anything about the European sense of humor? Did it. How did you do? Because when we did some shows in the UK and in Oslo and Stockholm, and we were shocked by how much people were following American politics, but I didn't have to do standup.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah. What actually did shock me was how cued in a lot of European countries are with American culture, American politics. But there were certain countries that were truly so quiet and stoic, like, Belgium was me and Atsuko's probably worst show. I literally did a backflip to abject silence, and they were like, that's dangerous. And then, like, I had to go back to the mic. Cause it's like a big distance from the mic. And that was mortifying. And, you know, we were in Helsinki or just like overall in different European countries, like, when you go on stage in America, they'll be like, what? They're cheering when music's going on. But in Europe, they're like kind of clapping in unison in like a sort of communist kind of. We are equal all. You know, it was. I don't know, it was interesting. Yeah.

[John Lovett]

You shot the movie in Finland.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yes. And I had very similar experience. My first ad was named Anti. And my impression of him was, I am Anthy. I am doing a joke now. I am being serious now. I am doing a joke. It was like, yeah, very stoic. Which, like, for me, like, I've never felt more American in my life. I'm like so loud and, like, smiling.

[John Lovett]

I love us.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, I know.

[John Lovett]

We're great.

[Jorma Taccone]

It's like, love it or leave it

[John Lovett]

be more like us. I think they should just try to be more like us.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah.

[Dylan Adler]

Someone. Someone in Iceland said Americans don't have thoughts because they say every thought they think it's like, wow, that's true.

[Jorma Taccone]

It's such a bummer. How true that.

[John Lovett]

I remember I was the. Somewhere. We were in somewhere in Stockholm and someone said, American Donald Trump fake news. Trying to relate to us. Oh, yeah, America. You know, Donald Trump fake news.

[Jorma Taccone]

By the way, I. One of my first weekends there was. I. It was in Helsinki and I. I went to the. The. There's saunas everywhere. There's 3 million saunas. And I was in the sauna with two guys, these two giant dudes who were like ROTC or something like that. They were there for like an rotc Ish weekend. And they were so trumpy. And I had this dry. Like, all of us are naked. And I was between these two giant dudes and I just went off. I was like. I was just like this. I was like. It was all about like, manhood. And like, I was like, he's not a real man. He doesn't support his wife. He's like, like, like, Like a real man support. But I was like going crazy to the point where, like, they were like, okay, well, we're gonna leave.

[John Lovett]

Like, had now had politics come up.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yes. They. They were like. We, like. They were jumpy. They. They liked Donald Trump and they. They were trying to get me to agree with them. And it went south.

[John Lovett]

This.

[Jorma Taccone]

It was like a half an hour of me naked being like. Then did another fucking thing.

[John Lovett]

And you were saying you slept with those guys.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes. I was like. I was like, this sounds like a porn I've seen. Actually, the beginning of it, at least, you know, turnt.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, speaking of turnt, we're all pretty turnt off by what's happening with AI and, okay, so in December, Disney signed a $1 billion deal with OpenAI's video app Sora, granting them permission to use Disney IP and characters in their generative AI videos. But on Monday, OpenAI abruptly shuttered Sora, dissolving their deal with Disney. According to Reuters, Disney was shocked at the news, but they shouldn't have been. It's a horrible idea. Just an apple of baby Grug. Grogu Grugus. I don't fucking watch any more Star Wars. They ruined it. Grogu's. Grogu. Grogu's Girl. Sorry, sorry. I've literally never seen it typed before. Grogu's. What's a baby Grogu's? Baby Groguz. Baby Groguz, of course, Flying into the Twin Towers. I hadn't reached the part where the baby Grogu's flew into the Twin Towers. Another Millennium Falcon has hit the Pentagon. But not all technology is bad, is it? This debate rages in our next segment. Hey, do you want this? Here's how it works. We're gonna rule on the latest innovations being crammed down our throats. After rule, decide, do we want this?

[Jorma Taccone]

It's too great.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[Jorma Taccone]

Ready?

[John Lovett]

First up, Melania's humanoid robot. On what? Thank you, First Lady Melania Trump, for inviting me to the White House. It is an honor to be at Fostering the Future Together's Global Coalition inaugural meeting.

[Jorma Taccone]

Look at her face.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, this is the part of Westworld where they're like, wait, are you? Am I? Yeah. How long have we been here? Here. So that's an AI driven general purpose robot that the first lady endorsed is an important piece of educational technology for children that she called Plato. They were naming the robot Plato, I believe, after the philosopher.

[Jorma Taccone]

Sure. Yes, please. That was hilarious. Yeah, I like it.

[Dylan Adler]

You know, I think this should be like serving smoothies at Erewhon. Maybe, but I don't think educating the kids.

[Jorma Taccone]

What is it supposed to do? Like, to educate them?

[John Lovett]

I think it's like a teacher. I think it's just a literal. Like, it's. You can ask it questions and it'll answer the questions.

[Jorma Taccone]

Well, I hope it has a gun. You know what I mean? Like, I like if it's armed.

[John Lovett]

Well, this is where it's like, it's so funny that we decided that we want them to be people shaped, you know, that we decided, like, why not? This can't be. Like, maybe the best shape for a teacher isn't a person. Maybe the best shape for a teacher is something more. I don't know, pyramid. Like, I don't know. You don't know? Try out a bunch of shapes, see which kids come out smarter.

[Jorma Taccone]

That's a great, great point. As long as. As long as it has a gun.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, it's gotta have a gun.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[Jorma Taccone]

Bunch of guns.

[John Lovett]

Well, this is where it's like, at a certain point, like, maybe it needs a gun. Or maybe it just throws its head at something. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't. It doesn't. We need. Like, humans need guns. Cause we're limited in certain ways. But that robot could, you know, I don't know, know. Make throw us S like Superman does that time. Remember when Superman throws the s in Superman 2, and it's like, wait, he can throw the S. You know, and it's not an S. You know what I'm talking about? When he throws the S. Like, he can throw cellophane S's. When was that power?

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

You know. Do you remember that? No.

[Dylan Adler]

No. I'm sorry.

[John Lovett]

You know what?

[Jorma Taccone]

But I'm so glad you do.

[John Lovett]

I really do. I really. From Superman 2. He throws the S. Amazing, I believe, at General Zod.

[Jorma Taccone]

Does it cut his head off?

[John Lovett]

No, no, it. It actually. No, it's actually at the big silent ogre one. And it kind of wraps him up and he's like. And then he falls down a hole.

[Jorma Taccone]

I. I would love if it cut his head off. And everybody was, like, a little disturbed of, like. That was a little bit much. Superman.

[John Lovett]

See, there's certain. There's certain physical fight moves that are villain moves for no reason. So Odd Job can throw a hat and cut somebody's head off because it's somehow seen as villainous. But good guys are allowed to shoot people, including people that are just in the way of the plot, who are not responsible for what's happening to the hero. Like, there'll be heroes in a movie that are wrongly imprisoned, killing the guards at the prison while they escape. And it's like, that guard's just at work. He doesn't know anything about why you were convicted.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, there's a moment in when I was watching the first John Wick where he murders so many people. I mean, it's literally like two in the chest, one in the head, like, 5,000 times. And I. Then there's a moment, like at the very end, like, or, you know, like, lowest moment, he goes back to his house and his house has been burned to a crisp. And he, like, finds the locket from his wife or whatever. It's this like, reconnection with like, remember that's why he's doing. He's so sad. And I was like, oh, this would be so fudgeing.

[John Lovett]

Rad.

[Jorma Taccone]

If they flash to everyone's widow who, like all the people he had killed, like, looking at their thing being like, oh, man, Eric. Like, he fucking died. Like, like, wow.

[Dylan Adler]

He's left.

[Jorma Taccone]

So mind blowing, right?

[John Lovett]

Every mind blowing henchman has a story. That's what you were saying backstage, Dylan. Yes, every henchman has a story.

[Dylan Adler]

Every founding father story gets to get told. Every other henchman story doesn't get told.

[Jorma Taccone]

That's amazing.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah, that's Hamilton.

[John Lovett]

And that. And that. And that's Hamilton.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Speaking. Speaking of founding fathers, Andy Cohen. This summer, Peacock launched their AI powered Andy Cohen avatar who will recap recent episodes and tease upcoming drama as he guides you through the digital Bravoverse. Dylan, do you want this?

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah. So you know he's a AI Andy Cohen. That guides you through the Bravoverse.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, that's right. That's what I. You know what don't you get?

[Dylan Adler]

Okay. Honestly, the only thing I can think in my head is like, oh, my God, he's a top. Did you know he's a top? He's a top.

[John Lovett]

Is the AO on a top? Probably. Probably too sort of a nothing.

[Jorma Taccone]

Surprised. He's a top.

[Dylan Adler]

No, I'm not. I'm actually not surprised. He's a top because he, you know, runs his own network, but also bottoms actually run the world. So I'm maybe actually a little sour. Bottom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Lovett]

But the AI have nothing. They're nothing.

[Dylan Adler]

They have nothing.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, they're neither top nor bottom. They just act as if. They act as if they. We. If we want them to be a top, they will be a top because that's how they act in the way that we expect them to act as close as possible to fulfilling our expectations. You know, in a sense.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

So I suppose that that would probably mean that AI Andy is performatively a top, but is only digital.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

Right. And can't be fucked because it doesn't exist. It's just a digital thing. You know, when you think about it, it.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, you'd have to like, figure out a different phone to it or.

[John Lovett]

Well, what's. What's interesting is you could imagine putting AI and the into the play DOH thing, and that could happen instantly. That could happen mid meeting. That could happen mid class. You know, they accidentally. All of a sudden, there's like a philosopher talking to Lisa Rinna. And then they're like, wait a second. If Plato's here, where the is Andy Cohen? And it's like, shut up. You kidding? I don't know what he would say. Probably nothing that bad.

[Jorma Taccone]

I thought you meant like, then you can fuck it too.

[John Lovett]

I didn't even think of that.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, after people are gonna want to

[John Lovett]

have sex with robots. I never thought of that.

[Jorma Taccone]

It's definitely gonna be a thing.

[John Lovett]

You think so? No, for sure.

[Dylan Adler]

No. Yeah. Humans.

[John Lovett]

What do you mean? Have sex with dolls. What are you talking about? No one's gonna have sex with robots. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Mark my words.

[Dylan Adler]

Words.

[John Lovett]

Listen, listen, listen. I don't like making predictions. No one is going to have sex with robots. You just remember when I said it. No one sex with bro. It's not part of the future.

[Dylan Adler]

It's going to happen.

[John Lovett]

That's a crazy thing to say. You guys are being crazy. Sex with Robo. No,

[Jorma Taccone]

Andy Cohen's involved in our movement. Bring it back to over your dead body April 24th.

[John Lovett]

How so? I don't want to ruin it.

[Jorma Taccone]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

He hosted the reunion. So next up, and we do want AI. Andy, we didn't really resolve that. I think we.

[Dylan Adler]

Oh, maybe not for me. Just. Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Okay. The next up, the Throne One toilet. It basically has an app that records all the poops you take. Lets you know about its consistency, frequency, hydration level. Throne One keeps it organized for you. It's only $399. And before you ask, yes, there is a camera that attaches to your toilet and films the bull. Sending the footage thrown via. It says it sends the footage to the Throne via bank grade security. Because you're making such an important deposit.

[Jorma Taccone]

No, no, but I. I do have friends who, like, would. My friend Josh lived with us for a number of months when he first moved to New York and would constantly leave the door open to the toilet and then want us to, like, look at his poops occasionally.

[John Lovett]

So.

[Jorma Taccone]

So this would, you know, take out the middleman. No, he wasn't Jewish.

[John Lovett]

No, he was not Jewish.

[Jorma Taccone]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

Is that a weird thing to ask?

[Jorma Taccone]

I don't know.

[John Lovett]

I wouldn't have gone there.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes.

[Jorma Taccone]

Right.

[Dylan Adler]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

Well, just. I find that Jews. Jews among Jews were just like. All right, is it just Us. And then we talk about Mossad stuff, but then we come. Stop it. But then. Stop it. And then. But then we do talk about our poops. Jews talk about their poops amongst each other.

[Jorma Taccone]

I don't think of Jewish people as showing each other their poops, but that's because maybe.

[John Lovett]

Okay, okay.

[Dylan Adler]

I'm gonna be very honest. I love this, and I would love to have this, because I have had things wrong for, like, three years. For years. And I didn't realize it until it was. They were like, you've had giardia for two years.

[John Lovett]

I thought that was a dog disease, bitch.

[Dylan Adler]

I thought you got it from a river, but apparently you can get it from eating ass. Psa. Psa.

[Jorma Taccone]

So

[John Lovett]

that's why you want.

[Jorma Taccone]

Want this?

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jorma Taccone]

All right.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, well, you know, capitalism found its market.

[Jorma Taccone]

God, I'm learning so much.

[John Lovett]

Let's do one more. Let's stay on topic. The University of Maryland's Human Flatus Atlas produced what they're calling a Fitbit for farts, a tiny hydrogen sensor that provides continuous data about your flatulence from your underwear to an app boy.

[Jorma Taccone]

Wow.

[John Lovett]

You know, Dylan, we've got a great. This has been a great CES for you.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Great consumer electronics show for Dylan.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[Jorma Taccone]

I. I have something fart related. It's not this, but when we were recording our album Turtleneck and Chain, we got obsessed with. There's a product called Flat D. And Flat D, I think he was trying to like. It's. It basically removes the smell of farts. So it's like a little carbon. I don't know what it is, but, like. And. And you usually put it in your underwear, but we just had it out. And then anytime anybody had to fart, we would throw them the Flat D, put it on our. And we actually put a thank you in our album. Liner notes to the inventor of Flat

[John Lovett]

D. It's like noise. It's like noise canceling headphones for the fart.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yes. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we would get pissed at each other if you're like, why the. Didn't you put it on your blood? You're like, it's right there.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah, that's accountability.

[John Lovett]

So it seems like a good product.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

I don't know.

[Jorma Taccone]

So I don't know about this one.

[Dylan Adler]

I. Again, I think this is great.

[John Lovett]

And

[Dylan Adler]

I wear a CPAP machine. I have sleep apnea, and sometimes it's so intense I wake up. It's like a whoopee cushion. And sometimes the intensity is, like, too high that it's so much air that I that it's too overwhelming. And I have to tell my. I don't know. This is like a nice measure of like, if the intensity of my CPAP

[John Lovett]

is too strong, I feel like that there. I feel like there was a character in the book Catch 22 where there's a tube in and a tube out.

[Dylan Adler]

Mm.

[John Lovett]

Thank you for playing the game.

[Jorma Taccone]

Did we win?

[John Lovett]

You both won. You both won. We'll be right back.

[Jorma Taccone]

Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up.

[John Lovett]

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[Jorma Taccone]

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[John Lovett]

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[Jorma Taccone]

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[John Lovett]

And we're back. It's the end of the show, which means I started wondering, did I do good? Let's find out in our favorite segment. Second thoughts. All right, here we go. First up, let's see. I kind of taunted Jesus during the monologue. Do you really want to risk it? I think Jesus would understand, as I understand, Jesus would understand where the heart of the joke was and would care only about the ethic of the joke. And the ethic of the joke is defensible. I don't think Jesus is sensitive or ego driven.

[Jorma Taccone]

No, he's like a forgiveness guy.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah, it's a big thing about that. God, on the other hand, I don't know.

[John Lovett]

You got to be super careful. Yeah, that's, you know, that's the boss. Let's see. Do I regret my accent work? French accent plus Elvis impression. Momo. Momo. I think I got there. Ha ha ha. Momo. I'm getting there. I just didn't go that down. I don't have it. I don't need to have it. I don't regret it.

[Jorma Taccone]

That's your French accent.

[John Lovett]

That was. No, that was.

[Dylan Adler]

You combined the two.

[John Lovett]

A little Elvis plus French.

[Jorma Taccone]

Oh, gosh.

[John Lovett]

Okay.

[Jorma Taccone]

Yeah, it's good.

[John Lovett]

It's pretty. It's fine. It's fine. Someone said this one, one of the producers said, if you want to talk about trains all the time, maybe run for mayor.

[Jorma Taccone]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

Oh, it says here I could have told Jorma that he's handsome as well.

[Jorma Taccone]

You know, I was thinking, I hope Peter put that in there.

[John Lovett]

So what's interesting about that is it would have never occurred to me to say. Because you had told Pete, you brought up. You said, call me handsome, and I appreciate that. What a nice compliment. It would never occur to me to immediately say the same back to you. And this way, you know, if I ever say you are handsome, I'm not doing it out of some obligation because I had a genuine.

[Jorma Taccone]

It would be weird.

[John Lovett]

You'll get a. My compliments are genuine, you know, so I don't regret not saying that you're handsome. I can think, like, you're an objectively handsome man, which I now feel obligated to Do. And I don't want to be saying this, but I wouldn't have. I don't respond. I don't think it's. I think it's stupid as a culture that we do compliment, compliment. That's stupid. Because if I, you know, let's earn a compliment. You know, have it come naturally if,

[Jorma Taccone]

if, if my hair or something make it better.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, work on yourself.

[Dylan Adler]

If someone compliments me, I can't not compliment them back. It. I truly. It's the most uncomfortable feeling in, in the, in the world. I. I'll make something up.

[Jorma Taccone]

It's very American, right? That's more.

[Dylan Adler]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[John Lovett]

One regret did. I didn't really acknowledge the coolest moment of Jorma's life with Paul Rubens. I just kind of turned it into a joke immediately. That's sort of the show. Do you have any regrets about tonight?

[Jorma Taccone]

Anytime we talk about Pee Wee, I always feel like I'm like, fuck, I should have done the Pee Wee impression, because everybody likes impressions, right? So I should do a little bit, right? Yeah. Fuck. I don't know what to say, though. This has been a really, really good show. You're doing a great job.

[Dylan Adler]

Really.

[John Lovett]

I really think that. Anyway,

[Jorma Taccone]

there you go.

[John Lovett]

Yeah,

[Jorma Taccone]

thanks. Thanks, guys.

[John Lovett]

Wow.

[Jorma Taccone]

There you go.

[John Lovett]

That's so much better than my Elvis, which I'm now realizing is nothing. Oh, no, I regret it. Dylan, do you have any regrets about

[Dylan Adler]

the show, you know, bouncing off of Jorma? I actually regret not adding in a Lin Manuel Miranda impression to the. Every other henchman gets to grow old. Yes.

[Jorma Taccone]

That was really good. That's really good.

[John Lovett]

Finally, apparently, according to my producers, people are already having sex with robots, which I think is a lie. Not true. That's ridiculous. And that's our show. Thank you so much to Jormu Taconi.

[Jorma Taccone]

Thank you. Thank you for having us.

[John Lovett]

We will see you next week at Dynasty typewriter. 219 days until the midterms. Have a great night and have a great weekend. Love it. Believe it.

[Jorma Taccone]

It's.

[Dylan Adler]

Love it.

[Guest or Additional Commentator]

Believe it.

[John Lovett]

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