Don't Believe Your Lying Eyes

Summary

Lovett or Leave It: "Don't Believe Your Lying Eyes"

Date: January 10, 2026
Host: Jon Lovett
Guests: George Civeris, Andy Kindler, Jamila Jamil
Location: Dynasty Typewriter, Los Angeles

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Main Theme / Purpose

The episode launches the 2026 season with Jon Lovett’s unique, comedic take on the week’s most troubling and absurd news stories. In the aftermath of a high-profile police shooting and new political controversies, Lovett and guests George Civeris, Andy Kindler, and Jamila Jamil use wit and pointed discussion to help listeners process, laugh at, and resist the misinformation that dominates public discourse. The episode explores the impact of media narratives, government gaslighting, the ongoing erosion of truth, and the cultural moment’s obsession with trends and humiliation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Week in Review: State Violence and a Media War on Truth

[01:29 – 10:55]

• Trigger event: Shooting of Renee Nicole Goode by an ICE officer in Minneapolis and ensuing media/political distortion.

  • Trump administration instantly spins the story, claiming self-defense despite video evidence.
  • Trump on Truth Social: “The woman driving the car was very disorderly... I’d say more, but they’re telling me I can't use my phone in the MRI machine for my weekly still perfect exam.” [03:00]
  • JD Vance doubles down, labeling Goode a “deranged leftist” and the act “classic terrorism,” despite factual contradictions in video evidence.
    • Lovett: “You don’t get to do wild speculation and then say, 'I’m not gonna do wild speculation.' The horse is out of the barn; the toothpaste is out of the tube…” [07:35]

• Media Literacy and Surveillance Society

  • The ubiquity of personal cameras means the public can directly witness events and compare them to official narratives.
  • Lovett notes the administration’s push to “tone down the temperature” is hypocrisy, deflecting blame while stoking division.

• Active vs. Latent Errors

  • Insight from ‘The Happy Urbanist’: “The shooting is the active error. Donald Trump is the latent error. He is creating the underlying conditions that make events like this possible.” [09:15]
  • Lovett’s takeaway: “You can be scared and still in the wrong. No one knows that better than me—a coward with strong opinions.” [08:22]

• Systemic Radicalization

  • ICE agents’ anonymity and a militarized mentality are fueled by an administration that defends its own regardless of the facts.
  • The culture Trump fosters: “He is creating a culture in which federal agents go door to door wearing masks in an American city.” [09:50]

• Lovett’s Resolution:

  • “In 2026, our world and our butt are what we make it. Generous, welcoming, and juicy as hell.” [10:55]

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2. Comedians as Cultural Judges – “Is This Good?”

[14:46 – 41:00]
Guests George Civeris and Andy Kindler join Lovett for a recurring game evaluating recent trends.

a. Being Dumb After The Pandemic

• All three reflect on feeling “medically dumb” and whether it’s aging, long COVID, or societal stress.
  • Civeris: “There was a point when I thought to myself, I’m hungry, what should I have for dinner? And then I realized I was inside a restaurant...” [17:58]
  • Kindler: “I’ve been on Prevagen for about five—wouldn't you know exactly when you started Prevagen?” [18:32]

b. Gay Couples, Equal Rights, and Children

• Lovett and Civeris discuss the emptiness and fulfillment found in different queer adult paths (child-free vs. parenting).
• Civeris: "Is it good that I said that? Is that progressive? I'm not sure." [19:16]
• Lovett: “By achieving equal rights, we kind of just put ourselves in a different bind.” [20:36]
• The group notes how societal progress can bring new existential and community challenges.

c. Trans People in Sports

• Discussion on the recycled bigotry and public obsession over trans participation in sports.
• Civeris: “It's sports, okay? It's not like the church. Like, since when are sports so sacred?” [22:48]

d. The Comedy Industry’s Decline

• Kindler laments the disappearance of the old-school club scene and the challenge of “dated” jokes:
  • Kindler: “If you go into show business, take the high road. There's no traffic.” [25:10]

e. Game: ‘Is This Good?’ Segments

1. RFK Jr.'s Food Pyramid

   • Satirical debate over the new “inverted” food pyramid.
   • Lovett: “First of all, I’m very surprised there’s no corn on this thing…”
   • Civeris: “I actually think that… the liberals changed it so much that it made no sense.” [28:57]
   • The group lampoons the politicization of nutrition science and RFK Jr. as “bizarrely influential.”

2. CBS's ‘Ultimate Florida Man’ Marco Rubio Segment

   • Reflection on dying old-media formats trying to capture new audiences with “memeing.”
   • Lovett: “Who is this for? We all get the news all day on our phones." [35:40]
   • Civeris: “It’s a dying thing, and this is a sad end to a dying thing.” [34:47]

3. Maduro’s Nike Sweatsuit

   • Viral photo of Venezuelan politician’s sweatsuit sparks “bulge” discourse.
   • Civeris: “The whole thing with gray sweatpants, of course, is that you want to see bulge. And I think it’s good that… we did not see Maduro's bulge.” [37:05]
   • Lovett and Kindler riff on “tech wear” as a fashion trend and its oddities.

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3. Humiliation, Wrong Turns & Internet Trends

[43:03 – 59:35]

a. Jamila Jamil’s ‘Wrong Turns’ – Embracing Humiliation

• Jameela explains her anti-“inspiration” philosophy.
  • Jamil: “I’m done with inspiration. I’m pro commiseration. I think that I can't make lemonade out of lemons—I just make a bigger mess!” [44:01]
• Shares a risqué story involving a “balls deep” neck tattoo before a Martha Stewart event.
  • Jamil: “No amount of wipes or alcohol… could get it off. I had to claw it off. So I lost several layers of skin, and then it just looked like I’d been choked in front of Martha Stewart.” [51:22]

b. British Comedy and Humiliation

• Group discusses the British style of cringe-comedy, The Office, and differences in sensibility.
• Debate erupts over whether Curb Your Enthusiasm or Seinfeld is superior.

c. “Hey, Have You Heard About This?” – Trend Watch

• Andy Kindler reacts to Gen Z/millennial TikTok and online phenomena:
  • Trad Wives: Social media influencers who preach 1950s housewife values while profiting from brand deals. [54:08]
  • Fujoshis: Japanese term for women who enjoy gay male romantic media; a rising trend with the show Heated Rivalry.
    • Civeris: “There’s this epidemic, the real epidemic, actually, which is women writing gay male stories.” [56:03]
  • SkinnyTok & “Stay Skinny Stay Safe”: Dangerous trend equating thinness with physical safety; Jamil debunks this with a personal anecdote—her “bigger body” saved her from an attempted kidnapping.
    • Jamil: “Stay sturdy, stay safe. I was living in a bigger body, and I'm alive to tell that tale.” [58:31]

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4. New Year, New Pet Peeves: “New Year, New Ew”

[66:04 – 73:13]

• Andy Kindler: “Let’s get rid of slang like ‘my bad’ and ‘it’s been a minute’… No Holocaust survivor, if you ask them, ‘what was it like?’ would say, ‘It was a lot.’” [66:29]
• Jamila Jamil: “People—I’m done with them. Bring the big quake, bring the floods, the volcanoes… we suck.” [67:30]
• George Civeris: “I don’t like Nespresso. Coffee should either be amazing or shitty diner coffee—I don’t like things that are almost good.” [68:51]
• Lovett: Annoyed by people using their phones while on a beautiful beach: “You flew here from far away… How is it you have not figured out to leave this in your room for this one precious moment?” [71:33]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jon Lovett:
  • "These people are bullies... What they mean is for us to shut up and take it, to be dominated, to accept reality as they describe it. But that’s just not going to happen." [11:54]
  • "Because in 2026, our world and our butt are what we make it. Generous, welcoming, and juicy as hell." [10:55]
• George Civeris (on vaccine/aging brain):
  • “The vaccines interacting with being gay—I think that’s what made me dumber.” [17:29]
• Jamila Jamil:
  • “Stay sturdy, stay safe. All right? I was living in a bigger body, and I’m alive to tell that tale.” [58:31]
  • “I like to raw dog—just get it out right in the middle.” [44:52]
• Andy Kindler:
  • “If you go into show business, take the high road. There’s no traffic.” [25:10]
  • (On British shows) “Explain Ricky Gervais to me. Thank you. I can’t. It goes over my head.” [46:51]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:29] Show begins, Lovett’s monologue on Minneapolis shooting and media distortion
• [10:55] Lovett’s closing on resolutions for 2026
• [14:46] Comedians George Civeris & Andy Kindler join for “Is This Good?”
• [28:08] “Is This Good?”: RFK Jr.’s food pyramid
• [32:02] “Is This Good?”: Marco Rubio as “Florida Man” segment
• [37:09] “Is This Good?”: Maduro’s Nike sweatsuit
• [43:03] Jamila Jamil segment on humiliation and “Wrong Turns”
• [54:08] “Hey, Have You Heard About This?” Gen Z/Millennial internet trends
• [66:04] “New Year, New Ew” – Panel’s first pet peeves of 2026

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Episode Tone

Lovett’s signature blend of mordant, acerbic political humor and earnest progressive outrage saturates the episode, balanced by guests’ offbeat, personal, and often self-effacing comedy. The overall mood is cathartic, world-weary, and ironic but ultimately anchored in a call for community, resistance, and mutual commiseration.

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Useful for Non-Listeners

• Political satire and progressive perspective on current news/culture.
• Panel-style debates that filter serious issues through personal anecdotes and comedy.
• Fresh takes on familiar social (and internet) trends with pointed critiques of both the right and left.
• Accessible, unvarnished accounts of embarrassing moments and the value of embracing imperfection.

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Listen if you need a laugh—also if you want help deciphering the week’s weird news.

Transcript

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What's up, Los Angeles? Welcome to Love it or Leave It Live at Dynasty typewriter. We're back. 2026 starting off. We have got a great show for you tonight. George Severis is here. Andy Kindler is here. They're going to help me be the arbiters of what's good. And Jamila. Jamila's here. She'll join us for the best roundup of the worst trends. Then we will kick off our new year with some new peeves. All right, but first, let's get into it. What a week. Sure. As we bid farewell to Old Man 2025, we wondered, what kind of year would 2026 be? Sure, it would begin with us dutifully attending to our new wellness routines. Which I assume for you, like me, involves a selection of different morning powders blended into a chalky green smoothie that can best be described as a non Newtonian health fluid. But it wasn't long before we had our answer. 2026 would be a year with a war for oil in Venezuela and state violence on the streets in Minneapolis. The news was enough to make you feel sick to your stomach, worried you might throw up the combination of collagen, creatine, probiotics, fiber, protein and pulverized vegetables your body barely wanted you to keep down anyway. And I know we're at a comedy show, but we're also in America. We can't just crack jokes and goof around and have the time of our lives. This isn't odd. On Wednesday morning, a masked ICE officer shot and killed a woman named Renee Nicole Good in her Honda Pilot on a suburban Minneapolis street shortly after she dropped off her six year old son at an elementary school nearby. When Good's death hit the news, the Trump administration began lying about it almost instantly. Trump wrote on Truth Social the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully and viciously ran over the ICE officer who seems to have shot her in self defense. Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe he is alive but is now recovering in the hospital. Trump concluded this post by saying, I'd say more, but they're telling me I can't use my phone in the MRI machine for my weekly still perfect exam. Everyone having a camera in their pocket at all times means you can ruin your entire life for splitting your pants while bending over to pick up a hot dog you dropped at Dodger Stadium, or for demanding good service at a Dunkin Donuts even though it happens to be Christmas. But it also means we can compare what the administration says to what we can see with our own eyes. Video of the incident from multiple angles shows the driver turning to get around the ICE agent who positioned himself in front of the car, and we can see the ice agent shooting as the car passes him. On Thursday, JD Vance spoke to the press from the White House, furious about of course, the press coverage. And this is the headline. I'm just going to read it. Outrage after ICE Officer Kills US Citizen in Minneapolis. Now that is a completely factual description of what is happening. So what's the problem? What that headline leaves out is that that woman is part of a broader left wing network to attack, to dox, to assault, and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their job. I too hate when the headlines leave out the part that I wish were true. Like how I was voted off Survivor first because My penis is too big. Kept tripping over it hard enough to run in the sand. But then when press has done what we actually see in the video, Vance goes full postmodern. I mean, you presumably watched the video yourself. You still believe that she deliberately tried to ram him despite. Despite seeing this video. Look, I don't know what is in a person's heart or in a person's head. And obviously we're not gonna get the chance to ask this woman what was going on. What I am certain of is that she violated the law. Vance described it as an attack. He said she was a deranged leftist, part of a vast network. He said she aimed her car at the officer. He said she tried to hit him. You don't get to do wild speculation and then say, I'm not gonna do wild speculation. The horse is out of the barn, the toothpaste is out of the tube, the flight you booked is non refundable and it is at 6am as if you didn't know what that would feel like. The night before and after repeatedly lying about this woman, the vice president had the audacity to tell the media to turn down the temperature by sticking to his story. One of the ways we tone down the temperature is to have a media that tells the truth. I encourage you all to do that. This from a man who moments before said this. This is classic terrorism. This is classic terrorism. This is diet terrorism. Over here we have terrorism zero. I like diet caffeine free terrorism as a treat before bed. Mance seems genuinely more angry about the headlines than about the tragedy itself. And he is hectoring us about respecting the facts and turning down the temperature when he works for Donald Trump. It's like Guy Fieri's spokesperson coming to the podium and shaking his head and saying in sadness, I think we can all agree to chill out with the donkey sauce. Your boss is the source of the donkey sauce. He's the reason we're all slathering on the donkey sauce in the first place. But what do you do when everyone on the planet can see the moral catastrophe you've created? Well, you quickly start painting a picture of the victim that permits conservatives to not feel bad about her death. A fun break between all the hours of your children not speaking to you. Here's Jesse Waters pointing out to Fox News viewers that Renee Nicole Goode would have made their Thanksgivings feel weird. The woman who lost her life was a self proclaimed poet from Colorado with pronouns in her bio. A 37 year old white woman named Renee Good, the Daily Mail says she leaves behind a lesbian partner and a child from a previous marriage. Yeah, man, she probably wouldn't have liked you either. Also self proclaimed poet. As opposed to what? A board certified poet. And if being divorced and bisexual were a capital offense, all the best real housewives would be up against the wall. Goode's ex husband told a local Minnesota news outlet that Goode was a devout Christian who went on mission trips in high school and had just recently relocated to Minneapolis. Worth noting, it was in September that a Presbyterian pastor was hit in the head by a non lethal round during a peaceful prot in Chicago. And that across America many protesters putting themselves in harm's way have done so because they believe their Christian faith demands it. Which is obviously stupid. Jesus loves what Trump is doing to immigrants and he wants people to ask Grok to take Nancy Pelosi's clothes out of that picture of her with jfk. That's what God wants. Grok, show me Nancy Pelosi in an invisible bikini. There's someone I follow online who is either an expert or no one. And he, and he goes by the Happy Urbanist and he writes about urban planning. And he made a point that I think is worth applying here about the difference between active errors and latent errors. And active errors when a person jaywalks across a busy road. But the latent errors when a street is designed so terribly and a crosswalk is so far out of the way that everybody takes a shortcut so often when we're talking about the news, we're talking about the active errors. The shooting is the active error. I watched the footage. My view is it could be any of us, a scared person who tried to drive away from ice, and it's absurd to suggest that she was trying to hurt anybody and not just get away from these masked agents. And then you have an officer who himself had been in an incident where he was dragged by a car last year reacting in a heated moment. Totally possible the ICE agent thought he was about to be hit by this car and act. It doesn't make it right. Doesn't mean it wasn't against protocol. You can be scared and still in the wrong. No one knows that better than me. A coward with strong opinions. But then there's the latent error that ICE agents should never have been in front of that car because that's the direction cars go. Don't create a situation that you can't escape without murdering somebody. That's a rule I try to follow in my day to day life. And look at me so far. Zero murders in all my 32 years. More broadly, that ACE agent is part of a force that is radicalizing before our eyes, that is obviously internalized in us versus them mentality that is now protected by the anonymity of masks and the knowledge that the administration and its friends in the media will defend anyone on their team, no matter the facts, all while being deployed by a president who wants us riled up and at each other's throats. This shooting is the active error. Donald Trump is the latent error. He is creating the underlying conditions that make events like this possible. People are people. Individuals will make mistakes or worse. In the heat of a confrontation, individuals will give into fear and anger and make assumptions. Situations will escalate. We can analyze this single incident all we want, but meanwhile, Trump is radicalizing our society and lying about cities being war zones and deploying the military in response, claiming local leaders who defy him should be arrested. He is creating a culture in which federal agents go door to door wearing masks in an American city. He's also creating a culture in which people who get plastic surgery want it to look like they got plastic surgery, but that's less important right now. Of course there is anger. Of course there is protest. Of course ordinary people are standing up to this. This is America. When asked this week in an interview with the New York Times if Trump felt that there were any limits on his power, the president replied, yeah, there is one thing. My own morality, my own mind. It's the only thing that can stop me. Look, I agree. Trump's brain will ultimately place a limit on his authority, especially if that blood clot in his leg comes up for a visit.

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But.

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He'S not all powerful, and these policies are not popular. We do not live in the world. Trump advances, and we can all see that with our own eyes. 2026 is starting rough, but it will end with a midterm election where we finally get to have our say. So let's all keep our resolutions. We'll figure out how many Bulgarian split squats it takes to get a butt like that. Russian and heated rivalry and drink more water and clean out that one drawer filled with nonsense. And most importantly, finally get those moles checked. And then we'll resolve not to be discouraged. These people are bullies when they say turn down the temperature. They don't plan to modify their beh at all, to stop smearing their enemies or lying or breaking the law. What they mean is for us to shut up and take it, to be dominated, to accept reality, as they describe it. But that's just not going to happen. Because in 2026, our world and our butt are what we make it. Generous, welcoming, and juicy as hell. All right, we have got a great show tonight. Coming up next, it's comedians George Taveras and Andy Kindler. But we'll let them be the judge of that. All right, we're right back. Hey, don't go anywhere.

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There's more of Love it or leave it.

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Coming up.

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Either I got over them.

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Yep.

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And we're back. Please welcome to the stage two men of who combined form. No, I'm not saying this. What does this mean? Why does this form a perfect John Lovett? I haven't even seen that. Andy Kindler and George Severus. I don't know what that means. Hi. Hi.

[C]

Hi.

[B]

Hi. Good to see you. Hi, Good to see you.

[D]

Hi.

[B]

Hi. Hi. Welcome.

[D]

Hi. Hi. You know one thing. Oh, I talked into the can of water.

[B]

Talked into the.

[D]

It's not easy doing comedy when there's tragedies. And I, and this is a true story, I did the night of the first Gulf War, I was at Grandpa's comedy club in Staten island. Right? And so the guy says, don't talk about the war. Oh yeah, I'm really gonna talk about the war. On Staten island, he's like, you people, we armed Saddam Hussein. Put down your slices of pizza.

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And I just want to say, I did a drag brunch after Donald Trump was elected and the performer after me. The finale of the performance to Florence and the Machine, by the way, was that she took off her shirt and Nasty Woman was written in red paint. So that's a real sort of sign of the times.

[B]

That was beautiful.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah.

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I was a creative director for the whole thing.

[B]

Yeah. I also just love. Just sort of like, ban. Just the sentence I was at. Was it called Grandpa's.

[D]

Grandpa's Comedy Club. And Al, the guy from the Munsters. Al. Grandpa. Al Lewis. I don't know his name. He was involved in the club.

[B]

But I just. There's a whole world of. I was on Staten island at Grandpa's Comedy club in the 90s at the start of the Gulf War. It's like, man, Andy, you've been fucking in it.

[D]

That's right. I've been a part of it. I was defending Clinton at some point.

[B]

Yeah. Remember when we used to do that?

[A]

Yeah.

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That was.

[C]

You've actually fought in the Gulf War, Is that correct?

[D]

I fought in the Gulf War.

[C]

And we won.

[B]

And we won. George, you have a new comedy special.

[D]

I do.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

A Sense of Urge.

[E]

It's great.

[B]

I watched it.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

It's very funny.

[C]

I have this thing. I keep accidentally saying thank you before someone compliments me. And it's like the worst. You feel like the biggest asshole when someone's like, so you have a new special out. And I'm like, thank you.

[B]

I think Kathy Griffin believes you can say congratulations to any person in Los Angeles at any time.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

And rather than saying about what they'll say thank you because they assume everyone knows how much they're getting done.

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It is Kathy Griffin. I've been telling that story for years, and I thought it was Tina Fey, but now you're absolutely right that it's.

[B]

Kathy Griffin, and I love it. I think about it all the time. Because if somebody says congratulations, it's like, thank you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Now, in the special, you talk about how you're medically dumber since the pandemic and that. Now, do you think that's Long Covid or do you think it's the vaccines?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

No, that's a good question. I think it's more. So it's the vaccines interacting with. With being gay. I think. Yeah.

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It's.

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There's something about, I think, like, skipping the natural kind of steps of Aging when, you know, we're not. Like, I haven't had children. I haven't, like, bought a home. Like, you're. You're kind of like. I'm kind of Goo Goo Gaga still.

[B]

Yeah, well, you've talked about that as well. Well, so, yeah, there's just. Maybe we're just getting older and our brains are calcifying, but I don't remember.

[C]

If this is actually in the special, but I. The. I wrote that joke because there was a point when I was. I thought to myself, I'm hungry. What should I have for dinner? And then I realized I was inside a restaurant sitting. And I know that sounds like I'm making it up as, like, some funny, but I was, like, so brain dead that I was, like, not able to appreciate that I was currently in a restaurant for dinner.

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Everyone's.

[B]

Well in a restaurant. Don't you feel like you should be able to, like, listen, I go to restaurants so much. Just. I should be able to go in the kitchen.

[C]

I know.

[B]

And just grab something. It'll be better for everybody.

[C]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

Andy, do you think you're dumber now that you're older?

[D]

Oh, no, definitely. Oh, no. I've been on Prevagen for. I like when they're on the Prevagen commercials where they actually say, I've been on Prevagen for about five. Wouldn't you know exactly when you started Prevagen, but it's always approximate.

[B]

I'm not.

[D]

I don't think I'm. I don't think I'm any. I don't think I'm more discouraged since the pandemic. I mean, and also this week, and just generally, this is the going down like this towards prayer.

[B]

Society wise. You're saying society.

[D]

Oh, no, not career wise. Career wise. Boom, boom, boom, baby.

[B]

Right. Mentally, even, just watching the world crumble around you. That's the experience that you're having now, George, you don't think you've talked about gay couples sort of having a political failure and that they're having children?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is that good that I said that? Is that progressive? I'm not sure.

[B]

Well, here's the thing. I've thought about this, and what I realized is I felt these two paths ahead of me. One was a kind of empty gay existence of a year marked by different vacations and new restaurants and disposable income. And shirts, new kinds of shirts, belts. A lot of talks of shirts and belts. Oh, what. What's happening in duvets? You know, thinking a lot about what's the latest. A new bed skirt, new bed skirts, that kind of thing. And I thought, oh, that seems enjoyable, but ultimately empty. And ultimately.

[D]

But it's an open concept, though, I guess.

[B]

Yes, it is. It is an open concept.

[C]

Well, it's kind of debating whether or not open or not open concept is.

[B]

Good between the concepts and people finding the balance between the two. And I thought, oh, well, I think then I would look back on that life filled with nothing but kind of.

[C]

Regret, but a beautiful renovation and a beautiful space.

[B]

And I thought, oh, I don't want that life. And then I see the kind of the version where you have kids, and I think, oh, that's probably really deeply fulfilling, but exhausting. And you give up all this sort of freedom of the great part about being a gay couple, but you get the fulfillment of the people, and you.

[C]

Lose your gay friends, and you lose.

[B]

All your gay friends. And I thought, well, I don't want that one either.

[A]

I know.

[C]

It's kind of. It's incredible how by sort of achieving equal rights, we kind of just put ourselves in a different bind.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, at least before the path was clear, you just go to Provincetown.

[B]

Right. And just. Yeah, that's.

[C]

Yeah. It's weird. I find myself, like. As I get older, I find myself, like, unsure what my own political opinions are. And then I'll say something that will surprise me negatively. And the other day, someone was like, do you want kids? And I found myself saying, this is gonna not you guys rocking like this. I found myself saying without realizing it, I was like, I don't know. I think it's kind of creepy when gay guys have kids. And I was like. I was like, what? I did not know. That was something that was buried in my brain. And then I was like, so instead of walking it back. Cause obviously, I don't actually believe that. Instead of being like, sorry, I'm on mushrooms. I dug deeper. I felt the need to justify what I was saying. I was like, well, okay, so let me explain. It's like when my rich gay friends have kids, it feels like they're giving themselves a trophy. And then when my poor gay friends have kids, it's like, what are you, Christian? I was like, what are you? And I actually think that person I was talking to, like, hasn't spoken to me since.

[D]

I like the way you put air quotes around equal rights.

[C]

Yes, well, equal rights, you know, it's.

[B]

It's.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Do you believe in equal rights, Andy?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, if I didn't, that would Be bad. Right? How do you not believe in equal rights? No, but I believe that. I believe that the new. You know, make what they're saying about trans people the same thing they said about gay people. And then you have people like Martina Navratilova using the same arguments that were used against her to now say about trans people. I don't know. That's not funny. But it's depressing.

[C]

It really is. Sort of like, can you guys zoom out and look at the patterns here? It's, like, not hard. Like, you're using family values, language.

[B]

The people that cause most of society's problems are people that cannot see the patterns.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

There's a lot of patterns that people can see. They might make some changes.

[C]

Correct. You would think Martina Nevratilova, terrific tennis player, you know, good at noticing patterns, hopefully on the court, not in life.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[D]

All under the guise of. The biggest, horrible, most horrible thing would be if a trans person played in the sport. And they were actually.

[C]

I mean, it's ridiculous, by the way, it's sports, okay? It's not like the church. Like, since when is our sports so sacred, by the way, I think trans people should also be priests.

[D]

Isn't there a transphobic.

[C]

But this idea that, like, that's the stump card. It's trump card, like, that. Sports is the thing people care about. Who cares who's playing in sports?

[B]

Not me.

[C]

Am I crazy?

[D]

And I love sports.

[C]

Even if I was conservative, even if I was literally transphobic, I'd be like, they can play volleyball.

[B]

No, it's the most important thing. You're being. You sound crazy right now. Really, Andy? You give a state of the comedy industry address, and. And. And then we still have a comedy industry. So you're still doing it.

[D]

No, because I once. The pandemic. The pandemic ended everything. And I used to do. When I used to do the address, I would do it in Montreal, and all the people from the industry were there. So it was. But now there really isn't an industry anymore. Like, nobody's. I can't talk about the new shows on abc because there are no new shows on abc. So it's like, there's no market for it right now for the state of the industry. But I was gonna. What was I gonna say? I was gonna say something.

[B]

You said you were gonna make a joke about trans substantiation. Because about the priest thing I saw you working on something about.

[D]

No, I think I remember now. Like, I'll do. I'll do this joke now, but it won't even. People they don't know, they don't know the reference. Okay, so I go, tim Allen's in a new sitcom. Well, nobody knows that really anymore. In the old days, they knew Home Improvement.

[E]

Right.

[D]

So he's a new sitcom, and in the first episode, his wife commits suicide while he's watching Fox News.

[C]

Is that a real thing that happened in the episode?

[A]

No, no.

[D]

But you see. Do you people not know that Tim Allen is a maga? This is where I'm losing touch, John.

[B]

No, I don't think. No, no, I think that was their fault for sure.

[D]

Okay. I did this joke for years that no longer gets a laugh.

[B]

Let's hear it.

[D]

Who died and made Jim Belushi a big star?

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

Too, too soon, you guys. That's good. I see it. Yeah, no, that. That doesn't play anymore. It seems to get a response.

[D]

So I got a half and half.

[B]

What's. Give us another. Give us.

[C]

People are more mad about that than trans priests.

[B]

Yeah, I'm actually, I'm. I'm excited about this. What's another joke you think won't work?

[D]

Well, I used to do things like if you. If you. If you go into show business, take the high road, there's no traffic. And this was the delivery I would have normally.

[B]

Well, that's good. That's a classic. That's just a classic. And you have a podcast called Thought Spiral.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

And that's. Are you spiraling up?

[D]

Well, it's me and my friend J. Elvis Weinstein, and we advertise it as.

[B]

And that sounds Jewish.

[D]

It is Jewish, but we are not Netanyahu Jews.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

And we advertised it as two Jews, two microphones, two hours. We have no guests, and we just talk. And we have no following or audience.

[B]

Wow, that's brave of you to say. Can you give us one other just dated joke?

[D]

Let me see if there's a. I'm a Joyky.

[B]

Cause, Andy, I just want to say, like, I remember when I was first, like, you were somebody that was just part of, like, when I was watching standup when I was a kid, to be honest. And like, on or like on com, you were just. You were just one of the, like, old school road comics that I loved. That's what you were. And television. And television. No, but I wanted. I like the. You were there when, like, comedy was really was about how you succeeded or died in the clubs. And that feels like it's changing. And I like hearing the jokes from that period.

[D]

See, I'M actually working on jokes now that I believe that nobody can get. And that's my goal. And here's a joke that I have now that nobody can get. I said Roy Rogers was often triggered by his horse. Triggered by his horse. Okay. If you're young, you have no idea who Roy Rogers is. Right. And if you're over 50, you don't know what triggering means. So it's right in that sweet spot. Right in the sweet spot.

[B]

That's good, right? The Venn diagram of people that would understand it would be so small.

[C]

Do you think that in 20 years, some twink is going to be like, you were there at the heyday of live podcasting. Oh, that's hard.

[B]

Oh, my God. That made me want to fucking die. I hope so.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Of course.

[C]

That's all we can really hope for.

[B]

That's the best you can. What else is it? If we have a society at all.

[D]

Why do you have bigger cards than I do? I don't like that at all.

[B]

Because I think you brought those from home.

[D]

Yes, I did.

[C]

Whereas I'm off book.

[B]

Speaking of feeling medically dumb, you came.

[D]

Up with I like that segue.

[B]

Thanks. This week has left us all with a lot of questions, specifically about the news, which is why Andy and George and I are going to help answer the question. Is this good? I'm going to give you a topic, and then we're going to flip a comically large coin made of wood to determine who will argue for yes, it is good versus no, it isn't.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, that's a.

[D]

We flip a coin to decide which side we're on.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

Oh, I like that.

[B]

That's right. And of course, it helpfully says yes or no. Yeah. All right, first up, we have RFK Jr. Flips the food pyramid. This week, Health Secretary RFK Jr. Revealed the new updated food pyramid, which is now upside down with a greater emphasis on meat and whole fat dairy products, balancing on a point of whole grains and bread. While most people aren't going to rush out and change their diet based on the new pyramid, it does inform what food is served in public schools and military bases and what gets covered by federal food aid program. Kennedy also stuck to a 2024 Biden error rule that encourages Americans to eat more grains and less sodium, sugary drinks and processed foods. All right, let's see. George, you're going to be pro or con? This is going to be for you. You're in favor of the new pyramid. Andy, you're going to be Against George. You have 30 seconds. Defend this new pyramid.

[C]

Well, I think this is stun. First of all, I've never really understood how the food pyramid works to begin with. And do you guys remember when they changed it and made one side exercise?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So they've now. I actually think that the liberals changed it so much that it made no sense. And I think it's time we go back to real American eating, which means whole grains, steak, and avocados, which I saw in that food pyramid. I still don't really understand what. I don't know if the nodes are the good ones or the top or the bottom, but I'm gonna be following it to at.

[D]

Thank you, Joe.

[C]

Boom.

[D]

He didn't go over his time. I like that a lot.

[B]

All right, now you're against this new pyramid.

[D]

I'm against the new food pyramid. Well, I'm not against so much the food pyramid. I'm against the existence of RFK Jr. All right. This might be the greatest food pyramid ever. And in fact, in some ways, except for the design of it and it looks crazy. I might follow a couple of things, But I hate RFK Jr so much that I will never talk to Cheryl Hines again. And.

[B]

Was that a problem for you or you constantly?

[D]

No, I turned on Cheryl. This is what I did to stay the entry. Because I would always get in trouble for, like, I hated Louis CK before there was a reason to. Right. So I'm always unpopular opinions, and that's why it's wrong.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I wonder.

[D]

Are you rebutting it now?

[C]

No, I'm not. Sorry. I just. I keep forgetting I'm not supposed to speak. Contrast.

[B]

No. Speak Constantly, please.

[C]

Okay. Like, what is this?

[B]

I think it's oatmeal.

[C]

So it looks like. Okay, here's the thing. It looks like it could be, like, yogurt and fruit, but also these look like kidney beans. And this could be, like, cottage cheese or, like, milk. I just. Like, this is not. This is like a sort of impressionistic drawing to me. Like, what does it mean that olive oil is right here? Does anyone know?

[B]

I also think it's. It also feels a lot of politics went into what kind of foods are here. Right. Like, first of all, I'm very surprised there's no corn on this thing. Cause usually at some point, somebody is like, we gotta get some fucking corn on there. Iowa corn.

[C]

This is actually a very un American, considering it's so maga. I'm like, this is a pretty, like, baggy food pyramid. I'm like, the salmon is so gorgeous and stunning. The avocado right in the middle. It's like this fresh California avocado. This is very like squirrel.

[D]

Whatever we do, they're saying whatever you want to do, there should be no artistic merit to it. Whatever your plans are, make it ugly and badly drawn.

[B]

And one last thing is in the actual official documents, it says how much protein you need per kilogram of body weight. And it's like, hey, you fucking MAGA freaks. This is America Pounds.

[D]

True.

[B]

I cannot believe the one thing pounds are great. I like fighting for them. I want us to keep on the non metric system. Metric system can eat shit as far as I'm concerned. I like what system we're on, and that's one thing I think we should fight for.

[C]

It's nice that we're all kind of critiquing this from the right.

[B]

All right, next up, we have Marco Rubio as the ultimate Florida man. On Tuesday of this week, CBS News anchor Tony decouple House did a segment praising the many lives and many jobs of Marco Rubio. Airing a meme of Rubio suited up for a variety of gigs, including the Shah of Iran to the Michelin Man. Let's roll the clip. And now I memes have added to that portfolio. Casting secretary Rubio as the new governor of Minnesota, the new Shah of Iran, the Prime Minister of Greenland, the new manager of Manchester United, the head of Hilton hotels, and highest of high honors of all, the new Michelin Man. The segment concluded with this actual line. Marco Rubio, we salute you. You're the ultimate Florida man. Is this good? Let's see if Andy's gonna have to defend that. He's not. George, you think this is good?

[C]

Oh, I'm going first.

[B]

Yeah. Just what happened?

[C]

Here's the thing.

[D]

Pro is always first, you know? Okay.

[C]

I actually think they think they're doing something with this handsome guy with the hair. And I think the fact that he's flopping so hard is good. Like, I think this is kind of like putting into plain sight how stupid the new CBS News Bari Weiss situation is, because everyone is making fun of it. Like, this is a stupid segment. So I think it's good. I think it would be much worse if the person in charge of doing this was like, super competent and like very good at his job. I think it's good that we're all kind of like self evidently laughing at it.

[B]

That's interesting. He twisted it.

[D]

He went the other way with it, is what you did.

[B]

No, he thinks I supported it.

[A]

I think he said it was good.

[B]

I think he said it was good.

[D]

He didn't flip the pyramid, he flipped the script.

[C]

That's right.

[D]

Forget this crowd. I've had it with this crowd. Now what am I arguing is not good. Marco Rubio or the news that CBS.

[B]

Is doing this to the CBS Evening News?

[D]

Well, there's, you know, I've been against this Bari Weiss way back when she was defending Sam Harris and atheism. And the thing is, I don't think any of it's good and I don't think it's also, it's an emergency. We need to yell out the window or something about it. This is the worst it's not good argument that's been on the show. I think.

[B]

No, you do. Hey, you're doing great.

[D]

Oh, that's right.

[C]

Terrific.

[B]

So, yeah, there is something perverse about a bunch of people who collectively never watch CBS Evening News tuning in to be like, this is terrible and really bad for the country. It'd be like, you didn't know cbs. You could not tell me who was hosting it. Everybody right now shout. Who was the host of the CBS Evening News before Tony decouple? Nobody fudgeing. You don't know. I don't know.

[C]

Jenna Bush Hager.

[B]

It just, it's sort of more to me about how like, this is like a dying thing.

[C]

Yeah, completely.

[B]

And this is like a sad maybe end to a dying thing, but overblown in its importance because the issue is not how liberal conservatives at CBS News is collectively how are we getting our information? And the answer is from nowhere.

[C]

Yeah, completely.

[D]

But are they going is a straight up comedy? Is it like.

[C]

No, I think they're basically sort of coming for the Fox News demographic, from what I understand. Which to be honest, from a purely capitalistic perspective, I'm shocked it hasn't happened so far because basically what happens with evening news is Fox News has all the conservatives and then all the other networks have to share the like center and center left. So I'm sort of shocked. So far, no other network stepped in. I mean, I understand that there's like, what's the cable Trump one?

[B]

Oh, Oann or Newsmax.

[C]

Yeah, I understand there's those. But like, of the big ones, don't you think some money grabbing, like, crazy person would have like stepped in at ABC News and been like, let's try right wing?

[B]

I just fundamentally, for sure. I mean, the problem I have with all this is that like, okay, Bari Weiss is running CBS News. I don't like how conservative is CBS can get Are they going to run the stories they said they were going to run on 60 minutes? Like, there's a lot of kerfuffle about the stories getting pulled. Like the Epstein story in this other story. And it's like, are they going to run them? Are they changing them? Is it really. Are they really Trump plans? Like, the nightly 30 minute evening news broadcast is a stupid way to get information. It's a stupid, like, who is this for? We all get the news all day on our phones. It, it used to be was competing against nothing. Now it's competing against everything. Like, is. Are there any people genuinely being like, I wonder what happened today?

[C]

Yeah, like a very like, late 20th century critique of being like, Walter Cronkite was censored. It's like, right, but there are 5 billion other people that are telling you, like, everything you need to know.

[B]

All right, last one we're gonna do. Nicholas Maduro's Nike sweatsuit going viral. Maduro went viral this week not just for his arrest and extradition to the United States, but for the gray Nike tech sweatsuit he wore during transportation in a photo shared by Trump on social media. The photo apparently caused a spike in Google users searching for Nike tech and inspired the menswear conversations across the Internet. And also right here on the love it or leave it stage. Is this look good, George, you say?

[C]

Yes, I think that it is good. And you know, the whole thing with gray sweatpants, of course, is that you want to see bulge. And I think it's good that I don't know if you noticed. You see no bulge there. And I think that is probably healthy long term that we did not see Maduro's bulge.

[B]

We didn't go through a Maduro.

[C]

We did not. Because there could have, you know, because we're in the same corners of the Internet that if there was bulge, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

[B]

Yeah, I would have heard. I would know about it.

[C]

You would know about it. And so I think it's pretty much very good.

[D]

I would have heard about it in high school. Bulge, national. Another joke I wasn't going to do National Action Network is I was head of the National Action Network in college.

[B]

I just think you didn't commit to it, Andy.

[D]

Yeah, well, I think I've been defeated. That's why.

[C]

No, no.

[B]

First of all, first of all. And now you think that Maduro being transported in the Nike tracksuit is bad?

[C]

You think it's bad?

[D]

It's bad because, I mean, I don't care about the fact that they trying to decapitate the head of a government. I don't care about that. But if you're going, I don't care about rounding up everybody in America, including me, and saying, but you have to give someone a decent amount of time to get ready. You know what I'm saying? You go in there, you go. Okay, we're taking you. But you get to have a five minute thing where you can pick a Christy Noem cowboy hat or whatever you.

[A]

Want to go with.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I guess what I don't understand.

[C]

They should have put him in the Joanne pink cowboy hat to transport him. Yeah.

[B]

I will say, having worn this kind of Nike pant where there's this seam.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's above the knee. It sucks. It's not where you're hinging. It's a bad spot for a seam. It's uncomfortable. And also, who's using the arm pockets? Like, what does it mean when they put tech next to sweatshirt? What is it meant to tech?

[D]

What?

[B]

Tech what? Like, what are we doing with these vertical pockets?

[D]

His pants are unhinged. Isn't that what you're saying?

[B]

Yeah, that's. Yes.

[D]

That'S the hate about Maduro.

[B]

I'll tell you. I haven't seen. I haven't seen an unhinged something since the Ayatollahs.

[D]

Now you're getting into the rhythm.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

George, you have a stand up special called the Sense of Urgency. And it's on demand now.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

And I really recommend. It's very good.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Very funny. And your podcast, straightolab. I've been a guest.

[C]

You've been a guest twice or twice? Twice, yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'm in the Two Time club on Stradio Lab.

[D]

What's the name of your project?

[C]

Stradiolab. It's a pun on my.

[D]

Oh, I love that. Because I also despise Radiolab.

[C]

Well, it's, of course, one of the worst things that has ever happened, so.

[D]

One of the worst things that ever just by sound.

[B]

And Andy, give us one joke about Bob Dole.

[D]

Bob Dole? What is he, a pineapple? Come on.

[B]

All right.

[D]

Oh, Bob Dole.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

Let me. I got two words that will make Bob Dole angry. Elizabeth Dole. I don't know what it means, but it's really good.

[B]

Really good. Andy's podcast, Thought Spiral. You could be one of the first listeners. And that's right.

[D]

Get it on the ground floor.

[B]

And his album, hence the humor.

[D]

This I'm very excited about. It's a download. Please download it you gotta download it.

[B]

It's a download.

[D]

It's a download. It's a download. It's audio. There's no visual.

[B]

There's no visual. It's an audio download. All right.

[D]

You're killing me.

[B]

This has been very fun. We'll be right back.

[A]

Hey, don't go anywhere.

[B]

There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up.

[A]

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[B]

Loveit and we're back. My next guest is also a podcaster, meaning we have a full time lineup of podcasters tonight, or as it's known in the scientific community, a murder of podcasters. Please welcome to the stage, it's Jamila.

[E]

Jamil.

[C]

Yay.

[E]

Yay. Hello.

[B]

Hi. Welcome. Thanks for being here. Hi, how you.

[E]

Doing? I'm good. How are.

[B]

You? Now, in addition. Oh, this is in addition, I lost the intro card for.

[E]

You.

[C]

Hello.

[D]

Hi. Nice to meet.

[E]

You. How do you.

[D]

Do? You both have big followings online. I'm very excited about.

[B]

That. You too could be one of Andy's first podcast.

[E]

Listeners. Oh my God, what a.

[B]

Love. If we just do, it's a race after to get in there. You get a little prize if you're first. And it's so exciting. It must be weird to record it knowing other people might hear.

[D]

It. Well, we still call them test shows. This is absolutely true. We've been around since 2000 and they're all test shows. But when we go live, I'm taking my career public next.

[B]

Year. Now, Jameel, your podcast Wrong Turns is all about sharing Humiliating stories with no silver.

[E]

Linings.

[B]

Yes. No silver.

[E]

Linings. None. No. I'm done with.

[D]

Inspiration.

[E]

Right. Do you know what I mean? I think we just need to leave it in 2025. I'm anti inspiration. I'm pro commiseration. I think that I'm not someone who can make lemonade out of lemons. I can't make anything. I just make a bigger mess. And I've decided to start a community called Wrong Turns for Other People who Also fucking suck at life. And so we tell our most embarrassing stories and the public get to feel very smug after listening to it because they are not as stupid as.

[B]

Us. I like that. I also, I do think sometimes in our culture, you're not supposed to tell a story about yourself until you've successfully gotten to the correct psychological space about.

[A]

It.

[B]

Yes. Like, you're not allowed to talk about some aspect of your personality if you're still in the middle of what a therapist would tell you you need to work.

[E]

On. Yeah, I don't really do that. I like to raw.

[B]

Dog. Just get it out right in the middle. Wait, so what's a recent example of a wrong turn with no positive part to.

[E]

It? Not super recent, but during sex, he put it in the wrong hole and I immediately said, unexpected item in bagging area. And then that ruined the sex. And then the sex stopped.

[D]

Happening.

[B]

Wow. This is a good joke, though. I think it. I think.

[E]

It. I think it would have turned you on from the sound.

[D]

Of. Is there really a wrong. Is there really a wrong.

[B]

Hole? I'm sorry.

[C]

You. You think you ruined the sex by making an iconic joke? I think the person that put it in the wrong hole not. Not to be. Not to, you know, don't judge. That person ruined the.

[E]

Sex. But, yeah, no, there are many.

[C]

Things. Thank you.

[D]

Andy. Thank.

[E]

You. Generally, I mean, generally, I find my life is quite embarrassing. What about.

[B]

Yours? Oh, yeah. I just sort of power through being in any kind of public facing anything where your job is making something for others to consume. There's no dignity left in the arse. You have to just power through. We're all marketing executives for our own surrender. You know what I.

[E]

Mean?

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Wow. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I put that on the pillow that came.

[E]

From. It was very deep. I find many comedians are sort of like almost mining for humiliation and trauma so that they have something that they can talk about on stage. So it's very. It's a very handy format for.

[B]

That. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. It's really just an extreme version of a humiliation fetish. One could say.

[A]

100%.

[B]

Yeah. But not. Andy goes the other way with.

[D]

It. I go the other way that I am humiliating and I don't deserve anything because I'm less.

[E]

Than. Are you.

[D]

British? No, I'm not British. I'm.

[E]

Not. But that's sounded really British just then. That is the vibe.

[D]

Yeah. Explain Ricky Gervais to me. Thank.

[E]

You. I can't. I can't, unfortunately. Goes over my.

[B]

Head. Ah, The Office is so good.

[C]

Though. Yes, well, he's so.

[D]

Cerebral. The Office was.

[B]

Good. The Office was.

[E]

Good. But it's also because Stephen Merchant is a.

[B]

Genius. Stephen Merchant, a.

[E]

Genius? Yeah. National.

[C]

Treasure. Sort of like how Larry David was the genius and not Jerry.

[B]

Seinfeld. Okay, stop it. Get out of here with.

[D]

That. I mean, that is.

[C]

Wrong. I mean, Am I.

[E]

Right? 100% right?

[B]

Absolutely. I don't agree with.

[D]

That. Well, I don't like Curb youb Enthusiasm.

[C]

So. Oh, my God, Andy, come.

[E]

On. How can you not like Curb.

[D]

Enthusiasm? Seinfeld was the.

[E]

Best. You've been a little close to.

[D]

Home. No, it's just. No, Everybody ends up. It always goes crazy on his shows. I like it. Does it always have to be that there's a twist and a thing goes around? I like the initial yelling, like with Richard Lewis. That kind of.

[C]

Thing. Sure, sure.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Hey.

[D]

Okay. He also brought us Cheryl Hines. Larry.

[C]

Wow. Way to bring it.

[D]

Back. He introduced Cheryl Hines and made.

[C]

Her more famous in that sense. If it wasn't for Curb, Donald Trump would not be.

[D]

President. That's what I'm.

[C]

Trying. I guess I'd never thought about it that.

[E]

Way. I almost got killed because of Donald Trump not long.

[B]

Ago. What do you.

[E]

Mean? Well, I was speaking at the.

[C]

Un.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Whoa. Me.

[D]

Too. I'm doing the Late.

[B]

Show. There's still. There's. They still have.

[C]

That? Yeah, but now it's just a speaker.

[A]

Series. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. @d Dynasty.un or unx. Okay, I got it. I got.

[E]

It.

[B]

Yeah. All.

[E]

Right. So I was. I was speaking at the UN And I was late, and I was writing my. My speech on my phone while walking, and I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings. And then I hear this, like, bzzz. And I had this kind of long Final Destination issue with bees where they're just out to get me and they're trying to kill me. These ones weren't, but I'm an egomaniac who thinks that they were. So they. The bees were using the zebra crossing, which I find insane. That they would wait until we all walked and then they came along across the road with us. I'm terrified of bees because of fucking my girl and not fucking my girl from the film. My girl went over my.

[D]

Head. The kids watch that.

[B]

Right? Yeah, for sure. The kids who are now.

[E]

43. So I freak out and I start screaming and flailing my arms and running towards the UN where Donald Trump is speaking in the un, Which I don't know. So all the machine guns go up because there's a big Pakistani dressed in black running at the UN where the President of the United States States is. And I almost got gunned down. My friend clocked it before I did and tackled me to the ground. I was like, she's safe, she's just crazy. And I survived.

[B]

Narrowly and. Well, that's.

[D]

Good. So the.

[B]

Bees. So you were chased by the.

[E]

Bees? I wasn't really chased. I felt chaste. I was just.

[B]

Accompanied. This is just a story of you running at the.

[E]

Un.

[B]

Yes. Running towards the.

[E]

Un. Yeah. Because I thought I was being chased by bees. That really had no interest in.

[D]

Me. Because earlier. With a te at the end.

[E]

Right? Yes.

[C]

Exactly. Am I crazy? Correct me if I'm wrong and I might be completely off base. Did you once write something about a bee related.

[E]

Accident? Oh, I can't stop talking about.

[C]

It. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm glad it wasn't someone.

[E]

Else. All I do is talk about different.

[C]

Times.

[E]

Okay. That's one of your main persecuted. That's my higher identity. There's nothing else to me than my relationship with bees. It's gonna be how I die. It's gonna be how I.

[B]

Die. And they'll make a movie about.

[C]

It. Oh my God. That's why you hate Jerry Seinfeld because he made bee.

[E]

Movie. What a.

[D]

Cunt. She means that in a British.

[B]

Way. Right, so you also recently had sort of a. Can we just roll the clip? I just wanna understand what happened in this.

[E]

Incident. Oh.

[B]

Christ. Let's roll the.

[E]

Clip. And in the morning I'm going to be interviewed by Martha Stewart on stage in New York in front of so many people. And I forgot that tonight I let my friend write balls deep across my neck, balls deep. And I'm wearing a dress for Martha Stewart that is definitely not going to cover that. So basically my. My skin is drier than Gandhi's.

[B]

Anus. And well.

[E]

That'S. The tattoo took far too well to my throat. And no amount of wipes or alcohol. I was at one point pouring straight mini bar alcohol like onto my neck and nothing would come off. And so eventually I had to claw. Claw it off. So I lost several layers of skin, and then it just looked like I'd been choked in front of Martha Stewart on.

[B]

Stage. So. Okay, but. So why. If you hadn't had Martha.

[E]

Stewart. Yes, I let it happen. I was lost in the moment on my friend's.

[B]

Podcast. I was like, I was on a.

[E]

Podcast. I was on a podcast. He was like, can I write balls deep across your throat? And I was like, sure, that would be fantastic. And then got home and just as I was brushing my teeth, realized, oh, holy fuck, I have to see Martha Stewart in the morning. Yeah, it's a nightmare. And she instead just thought I'd done a lot of choke fucking the night before or asphyxie wank, you know? And I. I think. I think she wasn't a.

[C]

Fan. You know, I feel like if anyone would love the idea of an asphyxi wank, it would be Martha Stewart. Don't you think she's kind of.

[E]

Freaky? I should have left balls deep on. I feel as.

[D]

Though. Do you mean like basketballs on the floor? What does it mean, balls deep? Like a lot of basketballs, Balls.

[E]

Deep. No, I think.

[C]

You. No, I really want you to do.

[E]

It. Really want me to do.

[C]

It. I think it would be so much more powerful coming from.

[E]

You. I think it's. I could be wrong, actually, because I'm quite innocent. I imagine it's when you're so. When your penis is so deep inside of a woman or a man that.

[D]

Your.

[E]

Your. Your balls are almost shoved in.

[D]

There.

[E]

Yes. With.

[C]

It. And thank you for being.

[E]

Inclusive. That could get in, of course. I am an.

[D]

Ally. I know. I could tell my nickname was Ball Shallow in high.

[E]

School. Yeah, just the.

[C]

Tip. Just the tip. Just the tip.

[B]

Andy. They called him Balls Shallow. Terrible nickname. So embarrassing. Wait, you have a new Netflix.

[E]

Movie? I have a new Netflix movie. It's called People We Meet on Vacation. I mean, I'm really very blink and you miss it, but I am in it, technically. And I have a podcast called Wrong.

[B]

Turns. Now, I've gathered you all tonight for a very special segment we're calling hey, have you heard about this? It's a segment built entirely around watching Andy Kindler's violent reaction to things he most likely hates. George, Jameela and I will present topics we're pretty sure Andy doesn't know about. Andy, you're going to give us your honest guy reaction. Okay, here we go. First up, Jamila, you wanted to talk about trad.

[E]

Wives. Fucking trad wives. Have you heard about Tradwise, I am all over it.

[D]

Yeah. I have no idea what it.

[E]

Is. Okay, fine. So a trad wife is in this day and age is a woman who's got a social media following, who tells other women not to work and to stay at home and just do housework while she herself makes money and gets brand deals and secures her own financial independence. So women kind of perpetuating the propaganda, the kind of like post war propaganda of like having their hairstyle in a 50s style and cooking everything from.

[D]

Scratch. What's wrong with that? Right.

[E]

Guys? 100%. But these women are making money. They have camera teams, they have hair, they have makeup. So they're making banks, securing their independence while telling other women not to work. And they can go fuck themselves, I.

[C]

Think. But also, wouldn't it be fun if you pivoted to doing.

[E]

That? I want to sell weight loss.

[C]

Stuff. Oh, that would be.

[E]

Amazing. To trigger the Internet. Yeah. Just to really just never just keep everyone on their.

[C]

Toes. Weight go.

[B]

Month. Trad.

[D]

Wife.

[B]

Yeah. Weight.

[A]

Loss. Oh my.

[E]

God. I want to be a weight loss trad wife so.

[B]

Bad. Next up, George, you were going to tell us about.

[C]

Fujoshis. Do you know about.

[E]

This? No. What is.

[A]

That?

[C]

Okay. Fujoshi is something that has been trending because of the show Heated Rivalry. So basically it's this Japanese term for women that like watching media where men have.

[E]

Sex.

[C]

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So it's like women who are either entertained or even more so turned on by two men in romantic and sexual situations. And so the show heated Rivalry, which is about two gay hockey players, written by Andy.

[D]

Coleman. Andy Coleman.

[C]

Talk. Andy. Well, and he's a friend, of.

[B]

Course. The only. The only gay information that. And that Andy Kindler has is.

[C]

From. Is from Andy Cohen. Well, you should have him on your podcast. Then you'll get some.

[B]

Listeners.

[C]

It's so there. He did ravelry. There was another show called Red, White and Royal Blue, which is about. It's a fantasy about like if the prince were gay and fucking an American politician's son. And that was also written by a woman. So there's this epidemic, the real epidemic, actually, which is women writing gay male.

[E]

Stories. Gay male horniness.

[C]

Epidemic. Yes, exactly. And so that's what that is. What do you.

[D]

Think? I'm so confused. I'm all over it. I say yes, give me four of.

[B]

Them. I think that you should turn your podcast into a heated rivalry. We watch show. I think people would honestly genuinely enjoy you watching that show and describing your Experience. Experience of.

[D]

It. I think that would not be good.

[B]

John. And you hadn't heard about that? You don't know about.

[D]

Fujashi? No, I. No, I did not. And I don't know if I need to have heard about it, but I'm glad that I did and that you had that picture of me with somebody else's arms around my.

[E]

Head. Where does the word fujashi come.

[C]

From? It's Japanese. Ooh. Not my story to.

[E]

Tell. It reminds me a little bit of one of my favorite words, which is, I think, kushiya sabishi. Have you ever.

[B]

Heard. And what does that.

[E]

Mean? It's when you eat, not because you're hungry, but because your mouth is.

[C]

Lonely.

[B]

Wow. That's why I take mounjaro. That stops.

[D]

That. I like to be hangry. I'm, you know.

[E]

Hangry.

[D]

Yes. I punch myself in the mouth with a sandwich. Oh, wow. That's from my act, John. Right? From my act to this.

[C]

Show. This could be huge for your weight loss era is if you, like, take that term and you're like, I can cure.

[E]

It. Yeah. Yeah. 100.

[B]

Jamila. You had. You wanted to talk about skinny.

[E]

Talk. Yeah. So Tick Tock has this side of it called skinny Talk, and there's a slogan that's gone viral that is stay skinny, stay safe. And I object to this, not only because it's stupid, but also because it's illogical, given that I was almost kidnapped when I was 19. Someone put date rape drug in my drink while another guy came around on the other side and was distracting me. And a few minutes later, I must have passed out. But because I'm sober, everyone knew immediately there was something really wrong. So I was taken to the hospital by my friends. And then later, the police come to the hospital and they take me back to the bar to watch the cctv. And I have to stand there with the police and watch two men try everything they could to lift me. And they couldn't. Like, they were putting their knees into it. It was like. And because I was 19, I felt embarrassed about this, which is objectively insane because thank Christ, they couldn't lift me. I was like, what did I want to be like? I just want to be dainty enough to be trafficked. But I survived and was fine because stay sturdy, stay safe. All right? I was living in a bigger body, and I'm alive to tell that tale. So that's just fucking bullshit. And it annoys me. There's nothing safe about being skinny. You can be lifted into a Van at any.

[B]

Point. That's such an important.

[E]

Point. Thank.

[B]

You. What is their.

[E]

Argument? It got quite dark, but I think in the end we all.

[C]

Agree. What is their argument for. For skinny being.

[E]

Safe? I don't know. I think, like, her brain might be dying because she's so.

[C]

Hungry. Well, maybe she has a skinny.

[E]

Brain. That's.

[B]

It. The Good Place was so.

[E]

Good. Oh, thank you. That's such a.

[B]

Good. Remember the Good Place. Thank.

[D]

You. What was that show you were.

[C]

On?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. How.

[D]

Come? I. Who was in that.

[E]

Show? Ted.

[D]

Danson. Oh, yes. I liked it. He's at the place where he's working on the play. He's in the thing where he went to work or something.

[A]

Right. Like.

[E]

That. Most of his.

[B]

Shows. Do you not have a problem with Ted.

[A]

Danson? I think you.

[D]

Should. But isn't Ted Danson he goes and works, or am I mixing him up with somebody.

[B]

Else? He goes and.

[D]

Works. He goes and works as an old.

[C]

Man. Yes, yes, yes. That's man on the.

[E]

Inside. That's the show before that.

[D]

Yeah. What's TikTok? MySpace with an.

[B]

Attitude. Andy, you probably remember.

[D]

Cheers. Yes, I do, because I didn't get the part. Wouldn't that be a bad.

[A]

Joke? What'd you go out.

[B]

For? Did you go out for.

[D]

Coach? I went out for Coach and they were saying I.

[B]

Was. See, that was a joke too old for them. Well, because that was an insulting joke because Coach was the old man on the show. To say, did you go out for the old man on Coach? Was an insult to you, and.

[D]

I took it as an insult. But let me tell you.

[C]

Something. We're all on mushrooms, by the.

[D]

Way, once I was.

[E]

On. That makes me feel much.

[D]

Better. Once I was doing a TV show. I'm not gonna mention it. Everybody Loves Raymond. And they said to me, I was talking about very loudly by the buffet table. Nobody likes Wings, right? No one's ever seen Wings. It's one of those shows where. And the guy who was directing that week came up to me and said, I'm gonna have to stop you. I created that show. And I said, let me.

[B]

Finish. Who doesn't love Wings? They're at the airport. Remember the show.

[E]

Wings? I do not.

[D]

Know. He should have apologized to me. I'm sorry I created that horrible.

[E]

Show. I once met Catherine o' Hara and I wanted to tell her how much I loved her and how much my boyfriend loved her. And I was like, oh, my boyfriend just is so in love with you. He hopes that I look like you when I get.

[C]

Old.

[D]

No. Oh great. I can't see how that would go.

[E]

Wrong. The worst feeling on earth. And she was so nice about it. She was like, oh. And I was like, I know. No, older. There's no way to make it better. You can't claw your way back from that. What a fucking idiot I.

[B]

Am. Well, it's fundamentally a compliment because the age is not is.

[E]

Objective. I agree, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it framed exactly like.

[C]

That. That's.

[B]

True. We'll be right.

[C]

Back. Hey, don't go.

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[D]

Wheel. This seems like it's.

[B]

Rigged. It has landed on Andy. Well, the wheel doesn't really make sense because we're all gonna.

[D]

Go. So what is it created the illusion of.

[B]

Excitement? Yeah, that's right. The illusion. Which, by the way, the illusion of excitement. That's called excitement. If you think about it. What is your new pet peeve of the.

[D]

Year? Well, my new pet peeve of the year is to get rid of slang. I mean, for years. And anybody who said, my bad, I would have a stomachache and leave the room. But now I think we have to put to bed these things where people have gone, it's been a minute. Or it's a lot. You know, it's like nobody who. No Holocaust survivor, if you ask them. What was it like? It was a lot. When were you in the Holocaust? It's been a.

[C]

Minute. I don't.

[D]

Remember. I think I didn't prepare for the section, but I saved it at the.

[E]

End. I enjoyed it and I feel.

[B]

You. I do think the Holocaust was a lot. I just like. I mean, it's one of history's great a.

[D]

Lots. That's.

[A]

True. I don't.

[D]

Remember. Means it's been a.

[B]

Minute. Since it's been a minute. It's been a minute. There's not a lot of people left who can remember what it's like because it has been, in fact, a minute. All right, let's spin it.

[D]

Again. You can't come on me again. I'll be very.

[B]

Upset. Jameela, it's landed on you. What is your first pet peeve of 20, 26.

[E]

People? I'm done with them. Let's get rid of.

[C]

Them.

[E]

Agreed. Bring the big quake, Bring the floods, the volcanoes. Every time I. When I heard about that spaceship that was 12 miles wide and it was coming to Earth, I was like, yes, take us. Take us all. We suck. So, yeah, I'm in a good place. Happy New Year.

[B]

Everyone. So it's not just so interesting because you could just move into the.

[E]

Woods. What do you.

[B]

Mean? Well, if you're done with people, you don't need to kill us all. You could just.

[E]

Leave. I wouldn't kill you all. I don't want to have to, you know, I'm tired. I don't want to have to do.

[B]

That. But I'm just saying, if. Rather than the earthquake, if you're.

[E]

Just so to take the wheel and let's Just.

[B]

Reboot. Well, it sounds like you don't just want to not be around people. You don't want the people to continue being around when you're not there. So it's both a hatred of the people, but then a FOMO that overpowers.

[E]

It. It's existential. I'm just like, it's a wrap. You know what I mean? I mean, it's a wrap. I'm just. I'm done with us, and I think we need to go and I think we need to start again. Are you with.

[D]

Me? I'm with.

[B]

You. I think we can just tweak at the margins. All right, let's spin it.

[C]

Again. Okay. Kamo Hare's over here.

[D]

Yeah. Uh oh, watch.

[C]

Out.

[B]

Okay. Just landed on.

[C]

George. Mine is a little less dramatic than Jamila's. Mine is that I don't like.

[D]

Nespresso.

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Yes. Okay, here's.

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My. I.

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Don'T. This isn't a fully formed argument, but I'm like, coffee should either be amazing or it should be like shitty diner coffee. I don't like things that are almost good Nespresso. It's like the promise of Nespresso is that it's gonna be like real.

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Espresso and it's gonna feel like George.

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Clooney.

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Yeah. And it's not. It's really. It's more like sort of a Glen Powell situation. It's sort of like 80% of the way there's. And I actually love Glam Paul, but it's like 80% of the way to real espresso. Just have shitty coffee. Just like get like pre ground beans from CVS and do.

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That. I think Dunkin.

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Donuts. Dunkin.

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Donuts. The greatest coffee in the.

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World. There you.

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Go. It's sort of the scary movie too, of coffee in that it's amazing but also.

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Bad. How do they make nespresso? Can you explain to me what the it's.

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Not? Well, it starts with slavery, and then it works at the its way up to a plastic pod that puts microplastics in your.

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System. Yeah, it's sort of like. It's the intersection of micro.

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Pods. It starts with the reason Jamila has that accent, which is a group of people draw lines in random parts of the world to divide them into different sections and then have those different sections make different kinds of food, including the coffee.

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Beans. Yeah, it's the intersection of colonialism and microplastics. And that's kind of where I.

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Live. Let's spin it again. We're almost done. Oh, it's wow. I'll tell you something that bothers me. So I booked a last minute trip over the break to go to Mexico for three days because it was paid for two nights. You get a third night free. I love a deal and I love using points. And it was one of. You know, there are resorts that. This is one of those resorts where something happens or something where some resorts have a culture of we fight for chairs and some of them have a culture of we respect the chairs. This was a fight for chairs resort. And I like a fight for chairs resort. I don't mind it what.

[E]

Way. You have to like get up.

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At 4 o' clock in the morning.

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And they reserve them and there's always arguments about the chairs and rules about the chairs and I just love watching that unfold. I like getting there, get a spot and just let it all play out. There was just so many rude and angry people. It was literal Christmas and people are yelling at people that are just, just working on Christmas about where their chair went and where their bag went. I love it. I'm in fully. Fantastic. I am never more like horrified by what we've done to ourselves than when I see people at a resort on a beach chair on their phones. I find it to me to be like the greatest defeat. You flew here from far.

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Away. I feel exactly the same.

[B]

Way. You're on the beach or at a beautiful place. You're on your phone, the same phone. The phone never changes. The phone is identical everywhere you are. What is on there right now? And how is it that, like, how is it that you have. Yes, but how is it that you have not figured out to leave this in your room for this one precious moment? Just leave this thing in your room for this one precious.

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Moment. You can't leave it in your room because how are you going to take those terrible photos that you'll never look at again of your feet.

[B]

Yeah. And the.

[E]

Sea. Yeah. And the sun of a shell. You know what I mean? Like you like. It's very important to be able to document those things. But I agree, when I see people looking at their phones in front of the ocean, I'm like, come on.

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Tsunami. Come on.

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Tsunami. Let's.

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Go. Love.

[E]

It. You know how to do.

[B]

This. You know this is what you trained for. Tsunami. Yeah, but it makes me crazy. It's like, it's not just that.

[E]

I'm more mentally ill than you thought I was, aren't.

[B]

I'm? You're meeting expectations for.

[E]

Me. Oh, great. Thank.

[B]

You. It's not just that. Obviously it's bad to be on the phone. It's that as part of this trip that required so much planning. There was no part of you that thought about the part where it would be nice to not be on the phone. Which means, like, are there a lot of people out there who are not only addicted to their phones, but seemingly unbothered by it? That's what makes me.

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Nervous. Yeah, I mean, I am quite addicted to my phone, but never in front of the sea. I'm very sacred about.

[B]

Nature. All right, that's where we're gonna leave.

[D]

It. Oh, I didn't get to do my sea.

[B]

Material. Anything about George.

[D]

Tsongas? George Tsongas. I'd like to hear less of his.

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Tsongus. And that's our show. Thank you so much to Jameela Jamila, Andy Kinller and George Severus. We'll see you next week Week right here at Dynasty typewriter. There are 296 days until the midterms. Have a great night and have a great.

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