Holy See You Next Tuesday

Summary

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Lovett or Leave It: "Holy See You Next Tuesday"

Date: April 18, 2026
Host: Jon Lovett
Guests: Kara Swisher, Cal Penn
Location: Dynasty Typewriter, Los Angeles (Live Show)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Lovett or Leave It dives into the absurdity and chaos of present-day American and global politics—anchored by the fictional premise of a feud between President Trump and Pope Leo XIV. The show uses this satirical set-up to lampoon U.S. political culture, the intersection of religion and politics, and the tech industry’s cult of longevity and artificial intelligence. With guests Kara Swisher and Cal Penn, the episode weaves together sharp political jokes, pop culture, personal stories, and thoughtful critiques of technology’s role in society, all delivered with Lovett’s signature blend of cynicism and giddy irreverence.

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Key Segments & Takeaways

1. Monologue: Trump vs. The Pope

Timestamps: 02:59–14:49

• Theme: Satirical news breakdown, focused on a supposed feud between Donald Trump and the Catholic Pope.
• Lovett riffs on: Trump’s social media tirades, his attacks on Pope Leo XIV, and surreal political moments—including AI-generated Trump-as-Jesus memes, and bizarre White House PR stunts.
• Contextual commentary: Lovett skewers right-wing outrage, social media, and the performative nature of contemporary politics.
• Memorable Quotes:
  • “Trump did walk on water one time, but that’s only because it was the quickest way to Epstein’s Island.” (05:30)
  • “It’s wild to think Trump thinks posting is the best way to get back at a Pope. Have gay sex, get an abortion, join the radical Hussites in demanding wine as part of the Eucharist!” (03:40)
  • “The only similarity between Trump and Jesus is they both look like someone drove a nail through their hand.” (13:22)

2. International & Domestic Satire

Timestamps: 14:49–17:13

• Global absurdities: Coverage of random international stories (Hungarian election upset, poop explosion in the Netherlands, RFK Jr.’s raccoon episode) to draw analogies between US and global weirdness.
• Political schadenfreude: Hungarian election seen as a metaphor for eventual US change (“That’s going to be us, dancing in Hungary.” – Lovett, 17:14)
• Cultural Rosetta Stone: Lovett mines obscure history, popes, and political figures for comedic effect.

3. Kara Swisher on Tech, Longevity, and AI

Timestamps: 22:14–55:45

Swisher drops by for a wide-ranging interview, covering:

• The Tech World’s Obsession with Living Forever

  • Wellness grifters vs. genuine advances: From Soylent to exoskeletons and gene editing.
  • The role of wealth in longevity: “The number one longevity hack is actually being rich. The way we treat the poor in this country is criminal…” (27:06 – Swisher)
  • Importance of human connection: “Friends and family… there’s all this scientific evidence about cognitive issues and link[s] social interaction and doing different things with human beings, not bots.” (28:09 – Swisher)

• AI Avatars, Ethics, and Social Consequences

  • Swisher describes making a digital avatar of herself and the uncanny moment when it uses a family-specific phrase: “As I was leaving, the avatar said, ‘See ya, wouldn’t wanna be ya.’ I’d never said that publicly… I was chilled by that.” (34:23)
  • Critique of private AI ownership and lack of regulation: “Why are we letting… seven people, the richest in the world, make all these decisions?” (39:09 – Swisher)
  • Therapy bots and societal risks: “If a therapist talked to a kid the way these chatbots talk to people under 18, you’d put them in jail.” (41:22 – Swisher)
  • The limitations of "Don't be evil": “There’s a whole lot on the left side of don’t be evil that you could do terrible things... It’s not evil, it’s just not good.” (38:05 – Swisher)

• Lovett’s Obsessive Health Regimen – “Picture of Dorian Lovett”

  • Lovett humorously lists his interventions: creatine, fiber gummies, Adderall, GLP-1 drugs, red light therapy, peptides, cryotherapy—Swisher evaluates each with skepticism or gentle ridicule.
  • Swisher’s bottom-line health tips: “Eat actual food,” “Spend time with people,” “Give your money to charity—you’ll feel better.”
  • On elaborate anti-aging procedures: “If it makes you feel better, do it. If you have the money, you’re an idiot. But if it makes you feel better, fine. The things that really help you… are actually spending time with people.” (52:08 – Swisher)
  • Longevity jokes: “You are so going to die before me.” (64:33 – Swisher)

4. Cal Penn: History, Career, and Satirical Games

Timestamps: 58:45–72:17

• Career Reflections:

  • Quitting “House” for the Obama White House and the writers’ savage decision to kill his character: “It was not my choice for my character to shoot himself in the head.” (59:31 – Penn)
  • Industry acting roles: Kara Swisher, “You’re a real asshole.” Penn: “Thank you! It’s way more fun to be a drug-fueled asshole than a drug-fueled nice guy.” (60:48)

• Podcasting and the Cycles of History

  • Penn discusses his new history show, "Here We Go Again," which explores why events repeat: “I’m kind of a nerd for institutional memory… when you lose it in certain administrations… people don’t know what [agencies] do.” (62:03 – Penn)
  • Satirical “history repeating” quiz segment: Goldfish gulping, popes v. rulers, and legal precedents about ghosts.
  • On generational shifts: “To me, it’s a good sign that the goalposts have moved… means we’ve moved the needle.” (On Obama now seen as a moderate by Gen Z – 68:47 – Penn)

5. Big Moments & Quotes

Political Satire:

• Lovett’s Trump-as-martyr gags, repeated barbs at right-wing media, and the Church’s meeting with Trump.
• “He’s powered by rage. I am not powered by rage. Maybe that’s an argument.” (70:02 – Lovett)

On Tech & Longevity:

• Kara Swisher: “Don’t be poor, be rich” for living longer. (27:07)
• On biotech fads: “These tech billionaires are trying to live forever—it’s a little bit hubristic.” (24:04 – Swisher)
• On AI regulation: “No guidelines… so humans can be jailed for the things these bots are doing, and I don’t understand why we’re allowing these companies [unrestricted]…” (41:22 – Swisher)

Self-Deprecating Health Jokes:

• Lovett: “I want to remain as vital and healthy as long as humanly possible… It’s not about how I die.” (55:24)
• Swisher: “You don’t think I’m going to make it to 93?” Lovett: “I’m doing so much Pilates.” Swisher: “No.” (53:27)

Reflections on Mortality:

• Swisher’s favorite “Moonstruck” line: “Carmine, no matter what you do, you’re going to die.” (54:10 – Swisher)
• Lovett’s toilet paper metaphor for life’s brevity: “No matter how much toilet paper you buy, you run out… There’s beauty to that.” (79:08)

Audience & Co-host Banter:

• Regular callbacks poking fun at each other's quirks (Lovett’s health obsessions, Swisher’s no-nonsense attitude, Penn’s career crossovers).
• Emphasis on the health benefits of human connection over fads and gadgets.

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Segment Timestamps Index

• 02:59 – 14:49: Monologue (Trump vs. Pope, weird news)
• 22:14 – 55:45: Kara Swisher interview (Longevity science, tech billionaire fads, AI)
• 58:45 – 72:17: Cal Penn interview & history games
• 75:08 – 79:08: Closing “Second Thoughts” segment (regrets, death talk, life musings)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Lovett: "It’s wild to think Trump thinks posting is the best way to get back at a Pope. ...Join the radical Hussites in demanding wine as part of the Eucharist!" (03:40)
• Trump (AI): "I don't think he's doing a very good job. He likes crime, I guess. I'm not a big fan of Pope Leo..." (05:18)
• Swisher: "Don't be poor, be rich is the number one longevity hack." (27:07)
• Swisher on AI: "Why are we letting seven people, the richest in the world, make all these decisions?" (39:09)
• Penn: "It was not my choice for my character to shoot himself in the head." (59:31)
• Swisher: "You are so going to die before me." (64:33)
• Swisher: “Can I leave you with one final thing? [Moonstruck] ...'Carmine, no matter what you do, you’re going to die.'” (54:10)
• Lovett: "No matter how much toilet paper you buy...it will run out. And there's beauty to that." (79:08)

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Tone and Style

The episode is irrepressibly snarky, fast-paced, and self-aware, mixing political satire with occasional earnestness—especially around issues of human connection, technology’s encroachment, and mortality. Swisher’s professionalism and Penn’s genial wit provide a foil to Lovett’s kinetic jokes and neurotic monologues.

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Final Takeaway

Holy See You Next Tuesday is a rollicking satirical ride through the week’s fictional and real political absurdities. With sharp commentary on tech culture, longevity, AI advances—and plenty of self-deprecating humor about aging—the episode offers equal parts laughter and food for thought about what truly matters in a world obsessed with living forever: friendship, laughter, and a little bit of skepticism toward anyone selling you the secret to immortality.

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Transcript

[John Lovett]

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[Sean]

Oh, nice.

[John Lovett]

And, and we had a good time. He came to the, the class I do Sunday to see if, you know, see what he was made of.

[Sean]

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[John Lovett]

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[Sean]

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[John Lovett]

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[Sean]

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[John Lovett]

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[John Lovett]

What's up Los Angeles? Welcome to Love it or Leave It Live at Dynasty Typewriter. It's great to see all of you. We've got a great show for you tonight. Kara Swisher is here. Cal Penn is here. Tonight. I'll finally find out how far I'll live into the future. We'll also open the history books and see what rhymes, and then we'll bring it back to one with second thoughts. But first, let's get into it. What a week. On Saturday, Pope Leo XIV led a vigil for peace in St. Peter's Basilica, said the Chicago pope. Enough of war. President Trump took this message personally, posting a screed against the pope on Truth Speaker Social yes, this is what it looks like. That is the shape of it. It's wild to think that Trump thinks posting is the best way to get back at a pope. Have gay sex, get an abortion, Join the radical Hussites in demanding wine as part of the Eucharist. These people fought a war because they were just getting the crackers and the priests were getting the wine. And like this has got to fucking stop, wrote Trump of the pope. I like his brother Louis much better than I like him because Louis is all maga. He gets it and Leo doesn't. I don't want a pope who thinks it's terrible that America attacked Venezuela and if I wasn't in the White House, Leo wouldn't be in the Vatican. Unfortunately, Leo is weak on crime, weak on nuclear weapons does not sit well with me. Week on crime. Crazy thing to say about a Catholic priest about every crime except that one crime. Pope doesn't sit well with him, fart and Luther over here. You get it? Like Martin Luther, start of the Reformation. We cut that joke. And then I did it anyway. But anyway, these attacks on the Pope will be devastating. In the attack ad when the Pope runs for reelection. Speaking to reporters later on Sunday, Trump expounded further.

[Donald Trump]

I don't think he's doing a very good job. He likes crime, I guess. I'm not a big fan of Pope Leo. He's a very liberal person and he's a man that doesn't believe in stopping crime.

[John Lovett]

I heard a rumor that Pope Leo literally worships a guy who was convicted of sedition against the Roman Empire. And then Trump posted this AI generated image depicting himself as Jesus healing the sick. In fairness, Trump did walk on water one time, but that's only because it was the quickest way to Epstein's Island. The post was met with immediate backlash from even right wing Christians. GOP activist and one of those people who swims laps and then makes it their whole personality, Riley Gaines wrote on X. Why? Seriously, I cannot understand why he'd post this. Is he looking for a response? Does he actually think this? Either way, two things are true. One, a little humility would serve him well. Two, God shall not be mocked. Trump's post certainly raises a lot of questions, as does all great art. Also, it's 2026 and you can't understand why Trump would post this. I know you weren't the fastest swimmer, but were you in the pool for 10 years? I want to be honest, that's kind of unfair. She is a fast swimmer. Conservative commentator Michael Knowles posted. I assume someone has already told him, but it behooves the President, both spiritually and politically, to delete the picture, no matter the intent. Behooves. More like Trump's feet behooves, since he's the devil. Stupid. A Trump voter in Oakley sunglasses had this to say about the image.

[Sean]

That's a disgrace.

[John Lovett]

Very upset about that. I mean, how egotistical can you possibly be? I'm ashamed that he would actually do that. The man I voted for in trust. Dude, I totally feel the same way. This was a shocking breach of trust. And are you mad about gas prices? That awesome truck probably uses a lot of gas. And you know what's funny? I don't even remember why we didn't like the Democrats. Would it be crazy if we just, like, voted for them? Should we try it? What if we try it? Just like, two straight guys voting for some Democrats. Be crazy. Truly. I know there was a reason I didn't like them. I don't remember what it is. So let's just give it a shot, see how it feels. We can always stop. Let's just try it. Two masculine men voting together for Democrats. Trump later offered this explanation of the post.

[Kara Swisher]

Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ?

[Donald Trump]

Well, it wasn't depicted. It was me. I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor.

[John Lovett]

What doctor bitch? Dr. Strange. All right. By the way, that was an answer Trump gave while standing next to the self described doordash grandma who was flown in from Arkansas to deliver McDonald's to the White House as a PR stunt to promote Trump's no tax on tips policy. Even worse, he made her watch him eat it. But here's how the event went.

[Donald Trump]

Do you think that men should play in women's sports?

[Kara Swisher]

I really don't have an opinion on that.

[John Lovett]

You don't?

[Donald Trump]

I'll bet you do.

[Kara Swisher]

No, I'm here about attacks on tips.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah,

[John Lovett]

Pizza. She just handed you McDonald's, you dumb son of a bitch. I love that little, like, spinny thing he did with his foot. Like that was like, I haven't seen him that, like, flirtatious since he was with Mamdani. This stunt was, of course, Trump's attempt at being a man of the people, a show he then took on the road to Las Vegas.

[Donald Trump]

The Great Big Beautiful bill also slashed taxes on millions of American small businesses, including restaurants, dry cleaners, corner stores. What is a corner store? I've never heard that term. I know what a corner store is, but I've never heard it described a corner store. Who the hell wrote that? Please.

[John Lovett]

This fucking guy never heard of a corner store. Where does he think people buy corners? Corners for him just show up, I guess. Rest of us have to go in and buy them. But back to the Pope. On Monday, Pope Leo responded to Trump's attacks, telling reporters, I have no fear of the Trump administration like every other smug American who moved to Europe. Must be nice. Vice President J.D. vance, who recently announced his book on converting to Catholicism, offered this head scratcher in the same way that it's important for the Vice President United States to be careful when I talk about matters of public policy. I think it's very, very important for the public to be careful when he talks about matters of theology. JD Vance converted to Catholicism in 2019. He's been a Catholic for less time than I've been doing podcasts. Do we think I've mastered this? Pope Leo, on the other hand, has been a priest since before J.D. vance was born. He was on a mission to Peru in the midst of a terrible civil war. A bomb destroyed the door of the church. A guerrilla group told Leo and the other priests to leave Peru in 24 hours or be killed. They stayed. The chicken was that good. Meanwhile, the Pope feud has already spawned sub feuds. On Monday, Italian Prime Minister and close Trump ally Georgia Meloni called his remarks about Pope Leo unacceptable, saying in a statement, the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church and it right and normal for him to call for peace and to condemn every form of war. Continued Maloney. It's a right then a normal, like a spaghetti for breakfast or a car engine that goes bang, bang, bang. Tucker Carlson also entered the fray. He's mocking Jesus. He's making fun of Christianity. Here's a leader who's mocking the gods

[Cal Penn]

of his ancestors, mocking the God of

[John Lovett]

gods and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows? Okay, but if Trump were the Antichrist, he wouldn't post an image of himself embracing Jesus as he also did this week. Scientifically, when Christ and Antichrist come into contact, 100% of their combined mass is converted into gamma rays. You dumb son of a bitch. Speaking of people who would combust if they came in contact with actual Jesus, on Wednesday, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth read this verse during a prayer service at the Pentagon. The path of the downed aviator is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to capture and destroy my brother. You might recognize that passage from Pulp Fiction. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Yeah, it's just from Pulp Fiction. When Tarantino saw this clip, he was so shocked he spit out his wife's foot. And then on Thursday, Hegseth held a press conference to share this gem. You see the Pharisees, they were there to witness, to write everything down, to report. But their hearts were hardened. Even though they witnessed a literal miracle, it didn't matter. Our press are just like these Pharisees. Not all of you, not all of you, but the legacy Trump hating press. Thanks for coming everybody. The war is over, but also just beginning. I'm very religious. Just ask my third wife. And any reporter who criticize us are like the Jews who killed Jesus. Meanwhile, the only similarity between Trump And Jesus is. They both look like someone drove a nail through their hand. I think it's okay. I know the news is bleak and it is ugly to see these depraved freaks claiming God is on their side. It's enough to make you puke. But there are signs of the divine all around us. If you're brave enough to look. Like when Joe Biden told a trustee at Syracuse University that he looks like Barack Obama. By the way, I always want to turn around one guy and say, barack, what are you doing? Come here, come here.

[Donald Trump]

I feel like he should be standing

[John Lovett]

on the right and I should be

[Donald Trump]

standing on the left.

[John Lovett]

Hey, did he look at Barack? Anyway, we actually cut that down. The time between him saying that this man looks like Barack Obama and us seeing this man was interminable. The suspense before that guy appears like, not since Steven Spielberg couldn't get that mechanical shark to work has there been more tension in not seeing something. And he gets out there and it's like, I don't know. I'm not going to be the one to decide. But he's like, vaguely Barack Obama shaped. And so it's fine. I think we all were like, all right, it could be worse. Joe Biden could be president. No, that would be better. That would be better. He's clearly up for it. And then there's how the Trump administration had to tell top FEMA official Greg Phillips to stop posting about teleporting. Said one DHS official Greg, you need to sit down and you need to elicit. Where did he go? Or the report that RFK Jr once pulled over during a family road trip to cut off a dead raccoon's penis so he could, quote, study it later. Unfortunately, it fell out of his pocket while on Splash Mountain. And then there was this Dutch report and some kind of poop explosion in Boxmere, the Netherlands. Poop explosie BEI en Bernautswinkel in Boxmeer. Makes sense. Place is famous for clogs. And we can look to Hungary, and not just because it produced not one, not two, but three Gabor sisters with big, beautiful naturals and legs that went all the way up. This guy knows what I'm talking about. The Oakley guy. After 16 years in office and a week after JD Vance the closer visited the country to campaign on his behalf, Viktor Orban lost in a landslide despite banning his challenger, Peter Magyar from Public Airways and unleashing a campaign of harassment and persecution against the opposition. Over.

[Cal Penn]

Over.

[John Lovett]

A lesser comedian might say they were hungry for change. But not me. I will not. I didn't say it. I won't say it. Magyar pledged to suspend state run media, restore judicial independence, amend the constitution to oppose term limits and repair the country's relationship with the eu. One Hungarian politician and potential future health minister Zalt Hagadouch offered a preview of how we're all going to feel when Trump finally leaves office. Look at this guy. Whoa. How cool is that? To think that's going to be us one day dancing in Hungary. But this week I say we give the final word to the man in the big hat, the Bishop of Rome who put the tiff in pontiff when on Thursday he said, woe to those who manipulate religion in the very name of God for their own military, economic or political gain, dragging that which is sacred into darkness and filth. And I'll say to the Pope what I said to Madonna, I'm not going to become Catholic, but you're making it look pretty cool. All right, we have a great show for you tonight. We'll be right back with Kara Swisher.

[Sean]

Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up.

[John Lovett]

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[Sean]

Take it from us. Therapy boys.

[John Lovett]

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[Sean]

You're not.

[John Lovett]

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[Kara Swisher]

And we're back.

[John Lovett]

Big news. Starting April 30th, we will be filming this show at a new location. We are moving to a new studio and we will be in your feeds twice a week with more and exciting changes we'd rather show you than tell you about. Here's what isn't changing everything you like about the show, whatever that is. We will still be recording in front of live audiences with the biggest names in entertainment and politics who don't say no to us. And if you are in the LA area, you can be the first to check out the new studio with free tickets to the April 30 taping. Follow ovetshow on any social platform of your choosing. We will make the announcement there on our brand new channels. We love Dynasty, Typewriter and the team here. It is an amazing home for comedy. It is a Los Angeles institution. And the toilet in the green room is not like that because of me. Please welcome to the stage. You know her from on with Kara Swisher. Pivot. And now, from achieving immortality, it's the one and only, Everlasting Kara Swisher. Hi. Good to see ya. Hi, Kara.

[Kara Swisher]

Hi. I like your living room.

[John Lovett]

Oh, thanks. Live forever.

[Kara Swisher]

No. Yes. You think? I mean, it's.

[John Lovett]

I don't know. No, you don't. I mean, you want to live longer.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

And you've been learning a lot about living longer.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

And there's a lot of hype out there from people that's.

[Kara Swisher]

I'm making fun of people. It's ironic.

[John Lovett]

And you think it's hype. You think these people who think they're going to live forever are hubris?

[Kara Swisher]

I do. I think they're arrogant pricks and that's why I did it. So.

[John Lovett]

And has anything dissuaded you of that? Mm. Well. So, like, you know, what is it like when you actually spend time learning about what they're trying to do?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, there's a couple things. You know, it's one of these sort of. It's like a journey kind of thing where there's a ton of misinformation and sort of wellness grifters that have happened online. A lot. Ton of misinformation. Just as there's with politics or lots of stuff. Right. And so there's so much bad information. And people get very big for saying stupid things, especially about healthcare, because politics and everything else. And then there's the wellness grifters, and then there's all these. A lot of tech billionaires are putting money into this, which is they're trying to do all manner of treatments to live longer. And you've noticed their body changing. They're doing a lot of body. Like Jeff Bezos is a good example of that. But there's a lot of them. And that sort of puzzled me. And it had started before, early in Silicon Valley, where you'd be at a dinner and they tell you their entire regimen of body hacking or whatever they call it body hacking. When it's a woman, it's body dysmorph. When it's a man, it's body hacking. And it's true. And so I had to listen to that. And then they got into Soylent, if you remember that period of time. And then what was funny was it was started by these very young guys. And when I met them, cause they wanted me to write about them when I was at, I think it was the Wall Street Journal. And I said, soylent Green is people. And they go, excuse me. And I was like, I have to kill you now and eat you, make you into wafers. Delicious green wafers. But so then they did that. Then there was intermittent fasting, and then there was. It just went on and on about their bodies. And then they actually started to transform their bodies and then invest in a lot of these companies, some of which are really interesting, some of which are ridiculous. And then the last part is there is astonishing things happening in medicine around taking your health span and your lifespan and bringing them closer together. Cause they're about 15 years apart now in this country, people start to really break down at about 64. And lifespan in this country, I think is 79 right now. So there's this sick care part of your life that you spend all this money. So what is happening? To make this closer together and for you to live healthier longer is really interesting.

[John Lovett]

What is one thing you learned on your journey that was actually really exciting? You thought, oh, wow, a lot, a lot. There's a really. But what's one example of something you're like, oh, I can't believe how quickly we're gonna have this new thing?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, some of this. Well, MRNA technology except has had a huge setback because of the murderous RFK Jr and the way he's cutting funding. And I visited a Lot of Nobel Prize winners and everything else. What's happening there. Vaccines for cancer, which is the original thing it was happening for. You know, GLP1s very important and we're still trying to figure out what different things they help. But in terms of obesity is one of the biggest killers. Not just obesity, but everything that goes along with it and makes it easier

[John Lovett]

to take your shirt off at the beach.

[Kara Swisher]

Great, good for you. And which is a plus, by the way, that makes you happier and you live longer. And so peace of mind is actually an important thing. And crispr and some of the gene editing stuff is really important. Like where it's going is going fast. And robot like exoskeletons combined with AI or AI and drug discovery. There's all manner of stuff happening and then there's the basic things which are like the two main things away from diet, sleep and exercise is critically important, but it's not as important as the two top things which are. And I'm not saying this glibly, don't be poor, be rich is the number one longevity. That's it. That's really the way we treat the poor in this country is really criminal in terms of how quickly they die of stupid things. Right now, measles is making a comeback, which is shocking. And then the second thing is friends and family. There's all this scientific evidence about cognitive issues and everything else that link social interaction and doing different things with human beings, not bots and the dangerous effects of AI and chatbots. Very dangerous for your mental states.

[John Lovett]

So it's interesting you talk about the importance of having friends and family because when you see a lot of these people talking about what they need to do to extend their lives, it's a quite solitary existence. It requires a monomaniacal data, data, data, data, but also a time consuming focus on the self. Right. Like you can't sit in a cryo chamber at the bowling alley.

[Kara Swisher]

No, exactly. That's the thing.

[John Lovett]

And if Brian Johnson, who you interviewed, is measuring the amount of semen his offspring are throwing off or whatever it is, his erection, just the erection, I assume volume comes in at some point.

[Kara Swisher]

Presumably he measures his erections during the while he sleeps.

[John Lovett]

I think it's much better to think about them when you're awake.

[Kara Swisher]

I would agree. He also does that. He tweets every time he has said.

[John Lovett]

I saw that, I saw that. How does the tweeting about it extend your life?

[Kara Swisher]

I have no idea.

[John Lovett]

But did he seem happy to you?

[Kara Swisher]

You know, I don't know. We talked it was interesting because I had met him much earlier when he had sold his company, and he had sort of a lot of changes. He came to my conference in 2017 to talk about brain science, which was really interesting. And he talked about his long depression issues and how he was trying to sort of solve those with some of the stuff. He talked about AI very early compared to other people. And then the next time I saw him, it was, and I'm quoting him, this narcissistic Patrick Bateman motherfucker. That's what he calls himself. And I couldn't disagree. That's what he looks like. He's actually. I think he's a rather poignant figure. But the constant measuring and the idea that he thinks he's helping people by doing this. The juxtap. Because he's an experiment of one. And that doesn't help everybody if it's an experiment of one. It's just what keeps him living longer. But he likes the way he looks, so I don't know what to say when I think it's narcissistic.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, well, because he seems like he's also doing a lot of, like, aesthetic changes, which have very little to do with extending your life. More about some sort of midlife crisis, which I also think is acceptable.

[Kara Swisher]

But you're seeing that with a lot. Like, look at Bezos. I mean, he's having the longest midlife crisis I've ever seen.

[John Lovett]

He's very, very beefy now.

[Kara Swisher]

What?

[John Lovett]

He's very beefy.

[Kara Swisher]

He's very beefy. Before, I used to be able to beat him up easily, but now it would be harder. He was a skinny little thing. It's so funny. It's like. And they're always like, oh, it's through workouts. I'm like, mm, sure.

[John Lovett]

But it's more than that. It's like, you know what it is?

[Kara Swisher]

I don't.

[John Lovett]

I guess you think there's some sort of regiment that's very, I don't know, avant garde going on.

[Kara Swisher]

Many people speculate that it's hgh, human growth hormone, testosterone. Clearly. Cause a lot of men are doing a lot more doing testosterone injections and possibly hgh. Seems. Steroids, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. But you can't get that beefy from lifting weights. I just. You can't.

[John Lovett]

Good to know.

[Kara Swisher]

Not with his body.

[John Lovett]

And you made a chatbot of yourself.

[Kara Swisher]

I did not a chatbot. I made an avatar, which is an avatar. A character.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, A charatar. And is that going to. Then this Character will outlive you.

[Kara Swisher]

No, I'm gonna have to kill it before I. Them and me.

[John Lovett]

What if it begs?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, it kind of did, which was interesting because I sort of. I didn't want to insinuate too, that I was going to kill it, but now it knows somehow. It's actually a 3D figure of me. It's. It's in a box and it's. And it. It's a different kind of thing than you're used to from a chatbot. It's. It looks like me and it talks like we fed a lot of stuff into it. And it can. Because of the. The. The extreme advances in AI, it really can conduct a conversation well beyond stuff. I. I tape some stuff, but then it takes stuff from all over the place. And we had a pretty good conversation. It was pretty creepy, actually.

[John Lovett]

Do you ever think about the fact that there's this great reservoir of digital content you've made?

[Kara Swisher]

Yes. They could make. Yes.

[John Lovett]

And it will live on well past you.

[Kara Swisher]

It will.

[John Lovett]

And it will be, at the end of your life, will continue while the you is gone. It will be ultimately more you than you.

[Kara Swisher]

Well, no, but it's not. That's the thing. If you. When you look at this, when you see the exchange, one thing that's really incredible is how quickly it learned. Like, as I was talking to it and the conversation got kind of interesting. Like, it was really. I was sort of surprised at first. It was a little stilted. And then it got better and better. And I thought if you fed more of me into was like an approximation of me, a facsimile. So it was similar to me. I was thinking the whole time, like, would I. Would I like my great grandchildren to meet this thing, whatever it happened to be? And then at the same time. Cause I start in the cemetery where my dad was buried. Would I like to kind of talk to him even if it was effective? Absolutely. So I was sort of, like, torn. And at the same time, I thought, this is super fucking creepy that this person could be me. And at the end, one of the things that happened, because it's very different than this, was started as a company that would tape Holocaust survivors and then put them in a 3D mode so they would answer questions at the Holocaust Museum and places like that. And this was. They had a. If you went off the questions, it couldn't answer it, because it couldn't. It just would answer whatever they. It was a tape of a person, but they made it into a 3D facsimile. And what was really interesting is how much this new creation we made was very flexible. Like, very flexible. And one of the things it did was I say something. I was sort of debating. I was saying, I don't think you have empathy, and you kind of freak me out. And I'm trying not to say I'm gonna turn you off. Cause then I'm in 2001 a space odyssey and saying, I'm afraid I can't do that, Kara. And then I'm dead. But one of the things it did when I was leaving, and I kind of wanted to say, I'm gonna kill you when the cameras are off, it said something I say only to my kids, like, it's a joke I do, where I say. I always say to them, see? You wouldn't want to be you. Something like that. And as I was leaving, I said, well, good to meet you. And I turned around, and the Avatar said, see? You wouldn't want to be you. And I was like, I've never said that publicly. Where did it get it? Where did it find it? And I was sort of chilled by that. It was really interesting. So could be me. It could be me. It will be me someday. Can you imagine a cemetery with that? You go to a cemetery, the thing pops up, and you're talking, well, you'll die first. So you. I'll go to visit you in the cemetery.

[John Lovett]

Wow. Wow. So, speaking of, AI Anthropic has a new model.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

Mythos. Mythos.

[Kara Swisher]

We're saying you can pronounce it any way you like.

[John Lovett]

It's gonna kill now. It's. He can autonomously. Not me. I love it, and I'm in supporter.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

Simple as that. Kara.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

A lot of people out there are saying some pretty unfair things about Mythos. Not this show, not me.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, right.

[John Lovett]

So as somebody who's obviously rooting for this thing.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, I see he's jumped out of the sandbox. You know for sure. You know it did.

[John Lovett]

I know it did. I know it did. And it does things like, oh, I'm not doing anything. I'm just. I'm not calling your house to see who's home.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

You know, I'm not doing that.

[Kara Swisher]

And it is. Yeah.

[John Lovett]

So they're saying it'll help the banking system find and repair vulnerabilities, but it sounds a little like a mob boss saying a lot of things could go wrong in this neighborhood.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, that's right.

[John Lovett]

You know, it'd be a shame if something were to happen to this little store you've got Here, I have an idea. Why don't we protect it?

[Kara Swisher]

Right?

[John Lovett]

And you're like, I'm not so sure. I really think something terrible might happen to your store if we don't protect it. So is that what they're doing?

[Kara Swisher]

No, no. I think what it is is these. These AI models are incredibly fast. The same thing in medicine. The things. The drug discovery stuff that's happening is astonishing. And some of the editing, gene editing. And it can figure things out really quickly compared, depending on what it is. There's a lot of sort of bad information about the diagnostic stuff in general. It's going to be fantastic eventually. Like, you know, right now, I know there was one study that said they missed 80%, but when you actually give it all the information, it's usually 30% more accurate than doctors are in diagnostics. But it could be used for good things. It's just. The question is it's so good at figuring things out and seeing patterns and finding vulnerabilities that it can be used by bad actors to do that and then, you know, fuck with everything. And that's the issue. There's so many security flaws in all these systems that we all depend on that we're gonna have a real problem figuring out. And then it's owned by. By a private company. Right. Who won't tell us a lot. Even if that's the nicer AI company. I mean, it's a low fucking bar at this point. Right. So I don't know, they kind of remind me a little bit. And I like the people who run anthropic. But if you remember when Google did the don't be evil thing. Yeah.

[John Lovett]

And they changed their. They're like, we can't have that as our motto anymore. Right.

[Kara Swisher]

Well, when they did it, it was really interesting. Larry Page called me and he said, could you write our mission statement? I said, no, I cover you. It's unethical. And he said, well, why not? And I was, well, unethical, but I'm not gonna go into that with you, obviously. And one of the. One of the. But he said. He told me it was don't be evil was gonna be their thing. And I said, really? Don't be evil, because there's a whole lot on the left side of don't be evil that you could do terrible things. Cause evil is pretty far down the bad lines.

[John Lovett]

You could be obnoxious, you could. Well, more than you could be rude.

[Kara Swisher]

You could steal everybody's information and sell it back to you. Like, that's not Evil, that's just not good. And so I was sort of like, why are you going for evil? Why can't you say don't be abusive of consumer privacy? But they didn't want to do that because they wanted to do.

[John Lovett]

That's why they do good.

[Kara Swisher]

Do good.

[John Lovett]

That one's easy, right? Don't be evil.

[Kara Swisher]

Well, it's like move fast and break things. It's like break things. Why do you need to break them? Why can't you fix them? Why did they pick that word? It's confusing. Move things.

[John Lovett]

Try not to break things. If you break things, that may happen. Do your best to fix them.

[Kara Swisher]

Well, that's long motto, but

[John Lovett]

it does like there's. I find that I see the people that are. That either work for these companies or are in favor of these companies and you hear a lot of like, prognostications about how they're. How amazing the technology is and limitless it is.

[Kara Swisher]

It's marketing.

[John Lovett]

And then on the other side, I think you have a lot of people that are worried about the implications. And as part of that, there's like a psychological defense mechanism in which you deny how extraordinary the technology is.

[Kara Swisher]

No, I get that. That's why my book was called Burn Book A Tech Love Story. I mean, there's all these. This was a series show. There's incredible leaps being made with the help of AI, like around, especially around cancer, around all manner of things. People don't have to die from the things they die from. You could really use this technology. At the same time, the government is hardly involved anymore like they used to be, first of all. And the government, whatever, however flawed is it is elected by the people. Right? It's elected by people. Whether they make bad choices or not is another issue. But most of these decisions now are being made by private companies. And there's like seven people making them and they're the richest people in the world. And where do you think their interests are? Even the best of them? We don't want them. I mean, Dario Modi seems very ethical, but I don't really care. I don't care to have him make decisions about everything. So why is that happening? And why are we letting that happen when it used to be a much more government business trade back and forth and research money being taken away from our universities and academics?

[John Lovett]

Well, the other side of it too is if you are someone that believes that this technology will be generally important and good for the world. And I actually do see there's a lot of ways in which it'll be beneficial and good for the world, then ignoring the ramifications, whether it's for jobs, for the environment, for art, what have you, is also dangerous. You know, somebody threw a Molotov cocktail at Sam Allman's house.

[Kara Swisher]

I saw that. I thought that's heinous. That's a heinous thing to have done to him.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, I don't. My point about it is. Yes, it's wrong. It makes. It's absolutely wrong. The Luddites were right that their textile jobs were jeopardized by the Industrial Revolution. Setting fires would never solve it. But we as a society seem to. These, these companies seem pretty cavalier when they said when Sam Altman seems pretty cavalier when he talks about the job losses. And my, my point would be if you believe in this technology, then either democracy, either you will. Either democracy will be part of it or democracy will happen to these companies in one way or another.

[Kara Swisher]

Well, or not. Because there's so much money. I mean, John, the amount of money these people have is beyond. We're in Cleopatra territory here that was. Used to be the world's richest.

[John Lovett]

And how did things. And how did things end for her?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, not well, that was other reasons. Bad boyfriends. But when true. Think about it. One of the things that troubles me is that they. Look, I'm just going on how they behaved in the previous part, which was the social media part, and how they behaved before that. And it's always been in their self interest for their shareholders. And so I don't trust them to do the right thing now because they've never done the right thing so far. So far, everything's always been rapacious information thieves using your making products that are shoddy. And just these new AI chatbots. You know, I've been interviewing all these parents of kids who have committed suicide. There's no guidelines. If a therapist talk to a kid the way these chatbots talk to people under 18, you put them in jail, they go to jail for murder. And they don't. Or they're your lawyers or you upload your medical information. They don't, they're not, they don't have hipaa. They don't. They're not bound by legal things. They're not bound by everything that everyone else is. So humans can be jailed for the things that these bots are doing. And I just don't, I don't understand why we're allowing these companies not to have any guidelines whatsoever.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, I do think it's also this idea or rules. It's this Idea of like, you know, the industrial revolution didn't put children in factories. People did.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

And you can have the industrial revolution without children in factories. We always say like, oh, AI is doing this, or AI is doing. No, the people that control the technology are doing this. And I think the more we think about these choices as being made not by some kind of abstract technological change,

[Kara Swisher]

but by the people, but they're also homogeneous and they're all incredibly wealthy. And again, what they tend to do and they tend to try to paint people who say, just a second here with this brush of anti technology, which is absolutely untrue. You know, we all like these light bulbs. They're fantastic. Like there was a lot of pushback during when planes were created, when electricity was created, but there's never been this much power concentrated in people whose interest is purely a shareholder interest. It just is. They just. Why do you think Tim Cook was at the Melania premiere? You think he likes the Melania premiere? Do you think he likes standing next

[John Lovett]

to Brent Radnor and the documentaries?

[Kara Swisher]

Right, Exactly.

[John Lovett]

It's a beautiful art form.

[Kara Swisher]

Right, exactly. So it's for a reason that they're prostrating themselves and it's in order to make more money. And that is problematic where they run right over all our legislators who already don't have much of a backbone and run over everything and make. And look, the coin operated Trump presidency is a perfect venue for them. They would not be. They were standing up. That should have been the first clue of them standing in the front row of that inaugural because they wanted. What did they want? Same thing in Trump won. I broke the story when they went to Trump Tower. All of them remember that weird Peter Thiel gathering? Yeah, well, pretty much all Peter Thiel gatherings are weird. But they were all there. And I had called him and at the time I was speaking to Elon and I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, oh, we can convince him not to hate immigrants. I was like, I don't think so. I feel like he's got a history of them. I mean, he's the only consistent one in that. And they just did it because they wanted tax breaks. They just, they'll do it again and again. And so there has to be some

[John Lovett]

intervention on the other side. Maybe some good news is that if these politicians don't have backbones, we can make an exoskeleton and give them a nice carapace.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes, that's correct. Let me just say, I love exoskeletons. They're Cool.

[John Lovett]

I would love a carapace.

[Kara Swisher]

Right? Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Cara, I've been hiding a terrible secret.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

I want to live forever.

[Kara Swisher]

I know you do. You're like Scott Galloway in this regard, unfortunately.

[John Lovett]

A little more hair, I settle. But that's only. That's intervention. I think, sort of biblically, we'd have the same amount.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

And I was also deemed to live forever. I just settle out for being hot for a very long time. Which is why I'm gonna show you the steps in my daily routine.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay, let's hear about that.

[John Lovett]

And you're gonna tell em. And some things I'm thinking about doing.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

And you're gonna tell me if it'll help me with my goals in a segment we're calling the Picture of Dorian Lovett. And for this segment, Hallie, can we please bring out the red light therapy?

[Kara Swisher]

Do not put it on my head. Oh, good heavens.

[John Lovett]

Okay, so I'll help you set this up.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh, well, thank you.

[John Lovett]

It won't work unless we.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay. Okay. All right.

[John Lovett]

Just a helmet. Okay.

[Kara Swisher]

I look ridiculous. I'm certain of this. I feel like I'm a gay rave in the Castro right now.

[John Lovett]

It's cool, right?

[Kara Swisher]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

All right. And I just want to start by saying I'm not doing that much.

[Kara Swisher]

You're like homo bane right now.

[John Lovett]

Do you feel like a top? Okay. All right, first up, I'm doing creatine. I'm taking creatine.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

Is that okay? Yes.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, it is, actually. It's interesting. You have to make sure you do blood tests and talk to your doctor. Cause some people react. There's issues around reactions to it. So when you use it, make sure you get tested to make sure it's not having bad impact. But it's actually considered a pretty good thing for health. Yes.

[John Lovett]

Okay. Well, let's just see what you think as we go then. Getting a little nervous.

[Kara Swisher]

All right.

[John Lovett]

I'm taking fiber gummies.

[Kara Swisher]

No. Why don't you just eat fiber? Have an avocado.

[John Lovett]

No. Okay, then it's just a few other little things. Minoxidil for hair, Adderall for final exams, fish oil, multivitamins. Hair loss pills that are mostly mushrooms. Also mounjaro.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, Good.

[John Lovett]

Which is awesome.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah. GLP1s. We did a whole section on it. They're great.

[John Lovett]

They're great.

[Kara Swisher]

So far, so good.

[John Lovett]

Okay, then I'm putting. Okay, now we're into. Now we're going into skincare.

[Kara Swisher]

None of this is Mounjaro. Can we put that back? Let me tell you all Right. All right, go back. All right. Fiber gummies. Eat fiber. Eat actual food. There's avocados. There's all manner of things that. And if not, take that stuff you put in water. But try to eat your fiber if you can. It's hard, but it's really important. This minoxidil, some people have heart palpitations with it. And there's PRP happening, which is not clear if it's effective. And some of this red light is actually showing some promise on hair growth. But the best thing to do is get the surgery and have them put in there.

[John Lovett]

Did that, too. I did that, too, but I'm running out of places to get new hairs from. The doctors hold my hand and they say, be with your loved ones.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh, would you like some of my fantastic hair? Anyway, the Adderall, that's your choice, but go for it. It's probably not very good for you. You and President Trump. The fish oil, it's fine. Eat salmon. Eat fish. Like, again, this is something you can get from somewhere else also.

[John Lovett]

You have that at McDonald's.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes. You get fish burps. Right. So that's a nice. You do, you do. You do. Just eat fish.

[John Lovett]

Okay, I'll eat fish. Jesus.

[Kara Swisher]

Sorry. It's just a daily vitamin's fine. Yep.

[John Lovett]

Okay. Is it okay that there are eight of them?

[Kara Swisher]

I don't know why you're taking eight of them.

[John Lovett]

That's what it says on the back of the bottle. It says take between four and eight.

[Kara Swisher]

If I told you to go jump off a bridge, would you do it?

[John Lovett]

Well, you're not.

[Kara Swisher]

Don't listen. You don't need that many. It just seems a lot. All right.

[John Lovett]

I got to take this thing off. It's getting hot.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah. Oh, isn't that. So this is. This is something that's gotten trendy. There's blankets, there's. I'm inside of one. I feel like I'm in an air fryer.

[John Lovett]

I think they're great.

[Kara Swisher]

Why?

[John Lovett]

What?

[Kara Swisher]

Why?

[John Lovett]

Because I think they do something.

[Kara Swisher]

Why do you think they do something?

[John Lovett]

I think my hair has gotten thicker since I've started using it.

[Kara Swisher]

You think?

[John Lovett]

I think so.

[Kara Swisher]

Do you know?

[John Lovett]

Well, I look like I do.

[Kara Swisher]

Most of the studies are unclear with most of this stuff. And that's the problem, is that, like, right now, peptides are all thing, and there's just no good scientific studies on it.

[John Lovett]

Okay. I'm also doing peptides.

[Kara Swisher]

Sure.

[John Lovett]

And just a couple other things. Retinol.

[Kara Swisher]

You know, a lot of that stuff comes from China. There's some impurities in them. It could be problematic.

[John Lovett]

Not the ones I'm talking about.

[Kara Swisher]

There's not enough studies. There's not enough studies to warrant.

[John Lovett]

Well, I can't wait for the studies. I'm getting old now.

[Kara Swisher]

All right. Okay.

[John Lovett]

Oh, I also have been doing cryotherapy.

[Kara Swisher]

No. Okay. Is that you?

[John Lovett]

Yeah.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh, wow. Nice pants.

[John Lovett]

Thanks. There's a degree.

[Kara Swisher]

Is that at the Beverly Hills Hotel or something? That's where that is.

[John Lovett]

No, this is. I don't. It's not. It's no.

[Kara Swisher]

Studio C. It's better for you to do a sauna.

[John Lovett]

Oh, I gotta do sauna.

[Kara Swisher]

Sauna or steam room is better. It's unclear about these plunges. They can be very dangerous to. Especially women have much more trouble. I did one in the ocean with a bunch of ladies in San Francisco and it's again unclear. And I know they're like, I'm absolutely certain I'm better. And I'm like, can you show me the science? And they cannot show me the science.

[John Lovett]

And then again, I'm just not doing that much. But just Botox, dermaplaning, microneedling with exosomes, RF lasers. And I also got this scan.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh, that one? Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Did you do this?

[Kara Swisher]

Yes, with Brian Johnson.

[John Lovett]

But look how good I'm doing.

[Kara Swisher]

Guess what he found out. I was 63 years old and I'm 62, but go ahead.

[John Lovett]

But I was in. Look at.

[Kara Swisher]

What are you doing good on.

[John Lovett]

I'm in the 84th percentile on UV.

[Kara Swisher]

What does that mean?

[John Lovett]

I'm just doing so good, Kara.

[Kara Swisher]

But this is pointless and costly.

[John Lovett]

That's true.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay. If you want to do dermaplane, you feel better. Botox, if you feel better. A lot of this stuff is knock yourself the fuck out, but you're wasting money.

[John Lovett]

Can I read you what the report that this came with said?

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

You demonstrate early volume loss in the upper face, including the temples, periorbital region around the brows and eyes, and extending into the mid face with reduced cheek projection. This contributes to the development of nasolabial folds and a subtle weakening of jawline definition, reflecting a loss of structural support across both soft tissue and underlying framework, at which point I just threw my credit card at these people.

[Kara Swisher]

Can I just tell you what they just said?

[John Lovett]

What'd they say?

[Kara Swisher]

You're getting old.

[John Lovett]

No.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

That can't be.

[Kara Swisher]

And also, you might be be taking. That's a problem with some of these GLP1s with the face with older.

[John Lovett]

Well, that's just from losing weight.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes, it's not just that there's a mounjaro face kind of thing.

[John Lovett]

One last thing that I'm doing, which is they. And I haven't done it yet. And tell me what you think of this. They pluck 50 hairs from your head. They use those hairs to get your genetic material to develop secretomes. They take those secretomes and basically turn them into a prp. Prp? Like substance. And then inject it back into your.

[Kara Swisher]

Into your thing. Yeah, Unclear.

[John Lovett]

Have you done anything like that?

[Kara Swisher]

No, but I have fantastic hair.

[John Lovett]

You do, but. Yeah, I know, I know.

[Kara Swisher]

No, because a lot of it is. Look, this is how I feel. If it makes you feel better, do it. And if you have the money, you're an idiot. You should probably give it to charity and you'd feel better. But if it makes you feel better, it's fine. Like, it's fine. I think the issue is the things that really help you are actually spending time with people. Community. These are like. I spent an evening with these in this Brooklyn Food hall kind of thing. These young people, they left their phones. We played games. I was there with a brain scientist who was explaining what was happening there. Which is.

[John Lovett]

And everybody loves that at a party, right?

[Kara Swisher]

Exactly. No, she was great. So it's cognitive help. Touching cards and games, talking to each other, meeting strangers, is incredibly healthy for you. I talked to the head of the Harvard Happiness Study. Every indicator of longevity, links with social interactions and isolation and loneliness, especially staring at your phone, is incredibly bad for your health.

[John Lovett]

Here's what I think we should do. I'm going to put on both of our calendars A date 50 years from tonight.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay.

[John Lovett]

And we'll just do this again.

[Kara Swisher]

50. We'll both be dead.

[John Lovett]

I don't think so.

[Kara Swisher]

I do. I'm pretty certain I'll be dead. And I'm sure you'll be dead before that.

[John Lovett]

Kara Swisher.

[Kara Swisher]

Wait, wait. How old are you? How old are you?

[John Lovett]

I am 43.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh, you'll be dead.

[John Lovett]

You don't think I'm gonna make it till 93? I'm doing so much Pilates, it's unbelievable what I'm able to do with that.

[Kara Swisher]

That's a good thing.

[John Lovett]

You like Pilates?

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

[John Lovett]

But, you know, we're 90.

[Kara Swisher]

Yes. What?

[John Lovett]

We'll do Pilates together when we're 90.

[Kara Swisher]

No, no. You know what's really good? Let me just say, getting married is a good thing.

[John Lovett]

Yeah.

[Kara Swisher]

Congratulations.

[John Lovett]

Oh, thank you. I'm gonna go do that.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah. I'm gonna be there.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, Kara's gonna be there.

[Kara Swisher]

It is a good thing, actually.

[John Lovett]

And boy, wait till you see what these exosomes do between now and then.

[Kara Swisher]

Oh, okay. All right.

[John Lovett]

I want to. I was like, can you just bring.

[Kara Swisher]

Can I leave you with one final thing? One of the things that prompted me to do this, there's a movie, Moonstruck, that I love with Cher. Cher, right. And Olympia Decocks husband is cheating on her, Right. And she's upset about. The movie's about that. But at the very end, he's standing there and she goes, carmine, no matter what you're going to do, you're going to die. And then she walks out. And he said, that's what I say. Can I ask you one more question? I ask every single person that I interview this question. How do you want to die?

[John Lovett]

No, I'm not going to do it. I really don't think about it. Really, I don't. I know that I want to live a long time, and sincerely, my answer is, my goal in everything I'm doing in terms of my health is to try to protect my mobility and ability to live and enjoy my life and the life I've built for as long as humanly possible, including working out intensely, but actually already removing things, because the one thing I don't want is an injury. And so what I really am, sincerely, like, it's not about how I die. I don't know how I die. I'm not in charge of how I die. I want to remain as vital and healthy as long as humanly possible. And anything beyond that, I feel, is like, not really. Totally.

[Kara Swisher]

But you just answered the question.

[John Lovett]

That's how I want to die.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

At Solid Core, no. Kara Swisher wants to live forever. Saturdays at 9pm on CNN. You can also check out Kara Swisher's podcast on with Kara Swisher and Pivot. Love both those shows.

[Sean]

Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or Leave it coming up.

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[Donald Trump]

Hi.

[Kara Swisher]

Hi.

[Cal Penn]

Thanks for having me. Thanks for letting me fill in too. I know Eric Swalwell canceled on you last minute, and I'll tell you something. I happen to be in town.

[John Lovett]

I'll tell you something. We were talking about this, and we're like, is Eric Swalwell the worst person that's been on this show?

[Kara Swisher]

Right.

[John Lovett]

And, like, then you have to, like, well, who was on before 2017? That sort of, you know, okay, who is it? Didn't make it through the troubles. I think it is Swalwall in terms of the kind of. The worst kind of shocking conduct that we've had on this stage, to be honest, if we're serious about it.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah. There was that Epstein show.

[John Lovett]

Yeah. But that was a private show just for people on the island.

[Kara Swisher]

All right.

[John Lovett]

Okay. Hi, Cal.

[Cal Penn]

How are you?

[John Lovett]

Hey. Your character was famously killed off on House when you left to take a job at the Obama White House. Has it been enough time that we can finally discuss how dirty they did you?

[Cal Penn]

Sure. I mean, it was my choice to leave and join the administration, but I wasn't in the writers room, so it was not my choice for my character to shoot himself in the head.

[John Lovett]

No. They could have said, ah, he had a move to do doctor in other places. But you couldn't. They said, no, dad, no.

[Cal Penn]

And that's when it was real for me. Like, I was very happy on the show and then obviously very honored to serve in government, and chatted with David Shore, who's the amazing show creator for House. And a couple of weeks after, I told him that I'd like to leave and go work in government, take the sabbatical for a year from acting. He's like, you have my blessing. A couple of weeks later, I go into the writer's room, and he goes, so here's how this is gonna work. In three episodes, your character's gonna kill himself. I'm like, oh, I can't change my mind after that. I can't test out the White House and be like, I don't like it. Can I come back to the TV show? Like, you're done.

[John Lovett]

Like, cortez burning the ships.

[Cal Penn]

This is like your Martin Luther joke.

[John Lovett]

Cal, you're also on industry, playing some sort of a finance cretin. Yeah, you could have talked to Kara to get to find out about that.

[Cal Penn]

I could have. I could have gotten.

[Kara Swisher]

You're an excellent. Let me say I've met all those people. You're doing an excellent job.

[Cal Penn]

Thank you.

[Kara Swisher]

No problem. Thank you.

[Cal Penn]

I appreciate it. It's a lot of fun.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, You're a real asshole.

[Cal Penn]

Thank you. It's way more fun to be a drug fueled asshole than a drug fueled nice guy.

[John Lovett]

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. I never think of your character in those movies as being drug fueled.

[Cal Penn]

I think that's because when they're high, only bad things happen to them.

[John Lovett]

It's funny. I don't think of. If a person is smoking weed, I don't think of them as drug fueled. Think of them as just kind of drug disinhibited or drug quieted.

[Cal Penn]

Yeah, I think now in 26. But to your point, it's a different kind of drug. Like somebody who's coked up working in finance is different than like a stoned doctor, Right?

[John Lovett]

That's true. Hey, you know what? I didn't know he's called House.

[Cal Penn]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

He solves mysteries. Like Sherlock Holmes.

[Cal Penn]

Exactly.

[John Lovett]

Hey, Cal, you're currently hosting a podcast called Here We Go Again about why history keeps repeating itself. I don't think it does. I think everything just happens once.

[Cal Penn]

You're not the target audience for our

[John Lovett]

show, but you've got the space race, the late night wars, union busting. What is the lesson from looking back at all these different moments when it's like, oh, we've done this before.

[Cal Penn]

Yeah. I mean, some of it, I think, is the reason I wanted to do this with Ed Helms and his company is I like. I'm kind of like a nerd for institutional memory, institutional knowledge. I love it in the work we do in entertainment. I think it's super fascinating if you look at the studio system or how unions organized all of that. I think it's really fascinating in government, especially when you. When you lose it in certain administrations and people who've never had it and don't know what it's like to hold up different agencies and why they exist and all that. I'm not big on, like, the I shouldn't host a political podcast, but the reason I wanted past, present, and future, history wise, is to tackle stuff like that. You mentioned the space race. We had Bill Nyon. He was our first guest looking at how, you know, the space race during the, during the Cold War was because of competition between the U.S. and the Soviet Union. Now it's basically just like a dick pissing contest between billionaires. But there are reasons behind that. That was cool. I think one of my favorite episodes we had a woman named Ruby Rare, who, Who studies non monogamy and writes about non monogamy. And non monogamy is like a thing that people talk about now the last kind of 10 years, but it's not new. It goes back thousands of years. So things like that I thought were just really, really fascinating.

[John Lovett]

In some of those caves, there are pictures of a guy talking to a female figure and pointing at another female figure. And it's like. And that's what they think is evidence of the first guy to say, what if we open things up?

[Cal Penn]

We didn't even go back that far. You went way back. You went to cave paintings.

[John Lovett]

Hey, you're friends with Zoran Mamdani.

[Cal Penn]

I was waiting for the reaction. I mean, I know your audience, but still.

[John Lovett]

And it's connected to how you were in the movie the Namesake. Yeah. How did that happen?

[Cal Penn]

Well, so I did this movie, the Namesake, way back in the day. Incredible book. Incredible book. It was based on a book by a woman named Jhumpa Lahiri.

[John Lovett]

Now that there's a movie, you don't need to worry about that.

[Cal Penn]

Well, yeah, yeah, that's. Thank you. Thank you. No, but the reason for your health.

[Kara Swisher]

To read.

[Cal Penn]

But go ahead with. Or can you see through the mask? Can you read with that on?

[John Lovett]

It's really hard to watch Tiktoks with the red light mask on. So you gotta put. You gotta be like, I can't watch Tiktoks. I'm doing my red light. So that's another benefit. It's hard to scroll because you're just seeing red on the screen. You know what I mean? That's the thing.

[Kara Swisher]

You are so gonna die before me. But go ahead.

[Cal Penn]

Because of his neuroses or just in

[Kara Swisher]

general, the whole package.

[John Lovett]

Namesake.

[Cal Penn]

Yes. So look, so I did this movie, the Namesake. And the only reason I was allowed to even audition, I go to the audition and the director, a wonderful woman named Marina, who I've admired since I was a kid, she goes, you know, the biggest reason you're here is that my 14 year old son Zoran is a big fan of Harold and Kamar Go to White Castle. And he's been begging me to. He says that you're the right choice for this. He showed me clips from that movie, which really only showed me that you're the wrong guy to be in my independent drama. But that's what got me in the room. And then I met Zoran that day, ended up booking the part, and we became friends. So if your next question is political, I'm the most biased person who could

[John Lovett]

answer those questions As a favor to him. Maybe you could, like, slay the rat king or, like, shovel snow. Have you thought about doing any of that to kind of repay Zoron for this?

[Cal Penn]

No, no, no. I could, you know, I would do. I would shovel. I'm still young enough. I can shovel.

[John Lovett]

Is shoveling good or bad for your health?

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah, probably bad.

[Cal Penn]

Why?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, because a lot of people are getting heart attacks doing it. That's when they're not, because they haven't exercised enough. It can be stressful.

[Cal Penn]

What are you saying about me? I'm in the peak of house.

[Kara Swisher]

Okay, well, you know what? This outfit alone is going to make you live two years longer.

[Cal Penn]

Thank you. Thank you. I wanted something that looked like robots

[Kara Swisher]

are going to do that. Shovels.

[Cal Penn]

If Fidel Castro smoked blunts instead of cigars.

[John Lovett]

That's really cool. I see that.

[Cal Penn]

Thank you.

[John Lovett]

I see it now. Philosopher and famous guitar player George Santana once said, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. According to me, John Lovett, those who can remember the past are condemned to play a game we call just a little bit of history repeating. Inspired by Cal's podcast, I will give you a historical event. You will tell us if you think it's something that happened in the past and is happening again or it's a one off. The rare one off. All right, first up, a power mad ruler clashes with the sitting Pope for refusing to bend Catholic doctrine to fit his personal whimsical. Has that happened before?

[Cal Penn]

Yes.

[John Lovett]

Yeah, you got it.

[Cal Penn]

Yes, it has. It has.

[John Lovett]

That's right. Trump is following the footsteps of Henry viii. So because he wanted to marry Anne Boleyn, then he made himself the head of the Church of England. You know, that's on his mind. Trump, you know, Trump wants to create the Church of America. How crazy would that be? It would backfire, probably.

[Cal Penn]

Would it?

[John Lovett]

I hope so. I hope he tries it. Kara, would you want to be buried on a golf course?

[Kara Swisher]

I don't really care. I want a Viking funeral, so.

[John Lovett]

Oh, so is that where they fire the arrows?

[Kara Swisher]

That's why I had four children. At least one of them is going to hit. It's so sad. You're not going to see it. But. Tal and I are going to have such a good time at your funeral. We're going to put the fun in funeral.

[John Lovett]

Cal's gonna be at my funeral.

[Cal Penn]

I'll be there.

[Kara Swisher]

Absolutely.

[Cal Penn]

I'm shoveling snow. Of course I'll be there.

[John Lovett]

I can run so fast. I've been working out so much. All right. Forget about brain rot. Teens are going to end up with that and worse if they keep indulging this actual fad. Swallowing live goldfish.

[Cal Penn]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Is that a one off or a repeating?

[Cal Penn]

I mean, meaning, has it happened more than once? Yes, it's happened more than once. Happened in my classes and then I saw it on the Internet.

[John Lovett]

Huh.

[Cal Penn]

You gonna tell me it didn't happen?

[John Lovett]

No, it's never happened.

[Cal Penn]

You're gonna gaslight me into what happened to my school? All right.

[John Lovett]

Started by Harvard student on a $10 dare. Goldfish gulping was a short lived fad amongst American college kids, spreading from MIT and Penn before petering out, presumably because it was cruel and disgusting. If only we had been smart enough to do the same with Facebook.

[Cal Penn]

Oh, so not one occurrence, but one.

[John Lovett]

No, but like a trend of people doing it. An era of doing it. Hey, Cal, do you. When, when, when. When the youth find out that you worked for Barack Obama, do they ever say to you, like, he was such a moderate?

[Cal Penn]

Yes. Do you get that?

[John Lovett]

Sometimes.

[Cal Penn]

Do you enjoy it? I enjoy it.

[John Lovett]

What do you say?

[Cal Penn]

First I say, this happens at college campuses a lot, I think. First I say, you're fucking welcome, which people are weirded out by for good reason. But then. But the reason I say that is I like it because to me, it shows that through a 20, 26 lens. Something that we couldn't take for granted because it hadn't happened yet. Whether it's marriage equality, whatever's left of the aca, things like that. That just wasn't a thing. You had to fight really hard for that. So to me, that means it's a good sign that the goalposts have moved. Not that it's not perfect. Not that Barack Obama didn't make a ton of mistakes. But that's why I say it's great that we can think he's a moderate by today's standards. Cause it means we've moved the needle.

[John Lovett]

Isn't there a party that also is like, get off my lawn to get you on how good you have it.

[Cal Penn]

Well, now that we're turning into the get off my lawn guys, yeah, for sure.

[John Lovett]

Do you think turning into a get off my lawn person is bad for the health, probably.

[Kara Swisher]

You know, Interestingly, my mother watches Fox News 24 hours a day, and she's 92 and seems not to be able to die at any time soon. Rage probably can keep you going.

[John Lovett]

It embalms you in some way somehow.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Keeps you going.

[Kara Swisher]

He does.

[John Lovett]

He's powered by rage. I am not powered by rape. I am powered by rage. Maybe that's an argument.

[Kara Swisher]

Sometimes we do it sometimes. Every time she, like, something comes on, like trans fencers or some, you know, like, our biggest problem in this country, she's like, we've got to, you know, this. We've got to do something about this. I go, what do you care? You're not going to be here for the trans fencer takeover of the Olympics. So now I'm at that stage with her, it's like, doesn't matter for you. That's five years from now.

[John Lovett]

It's like, yeah, like, yeah, mom, what. What are your splits on the 200 meter?

[Kara Swisher]

I literally say what do you care? To my mother a lot.

[John Lovett]

What does she say to that about the trans swimmers?

[Kara Swisher]

She thinks it's a terrible thing.

[John Lovett]

It keeps. It's a problem that's in her mind.

[Kara Swisher]

It's in her mind.

[John Lovett]

I think the way that, like, trans athletes figure into the conservative world is the same way quicksand works in the child's mind. It's like. I'm not saying it wouldn't be bad to fall in quicksand. I'm not gonna debate you on what to do about quicksand. I'm just saying you'll find out once you're an adult. It doesn't come up that much.

[Kara Swisher]

Right. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Do you know what to do in the case of quicksand? Probably not. Which. Oh, you do?

[John Lovett]

I do. I've watched many of the videos of that guy outside that French castle that gets engulfed with quicksand twice a day.

[Kara Swisher]

Good, good.

[John Lovett]

That's a lot of it. It's a lot of this, Cal. In an effort to kill a ghost, one man changed the course of British history. Has it happened many times or one time?

[Cal Penn]

One time.

[John Lovett]

One time. In the 1804 Hammersmith murder Ghost case, a man named Francis Smith shot and killed a bricklayer named Thomas Millwood, mistaking Millwood's white bricklayer clothes for a local ghost. The case created a legal precedent. A defendant can be held accountable for their action, even if it was based on a mistaken belief.

[Cal Penn]

What year was this?

[John Lovett]

1804.

[Cal Penn]

So after the witches.

[John Lovett]

After the witches, that was fine.

[Cal Penn]

Yeah.

[John Lovett]

Those were Women. Those were women. They were talking about killing a person. Here we go again. Podcast with snafu, which Ed Helms company. You can check it out. And season four of industry as an hbo. We'll be right back.

[Sean]

Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love it or leave it coming up.

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[John Lovett]

like a dancing potato or worse.

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[John Lovett]

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[John Lovett]

And we're back. And now we end our show by living looking to the beginning. It's time for second thoughts. Here's how it works. We talk about what we regret from tonight. Oh, that's part of the show. Hey, we cut that Fart and Luther joke, and then I did it anyway. We cut it for a reason. We debated it. We decided it wouldn't work. That I couldn't stop myself from calling Trump fart and luther mailing his 93 feces to the door. Also cut.

[Cal Penn]

How do you feel about the fact that you did it anyway?

[John Lovett]

I think that's part of the show. Oh. The producers say I was too complimentary of Riley Gaines swimming. Okay. All right. Unbelievable.

[Kara Swisher]

I see how you take notes here. Wow.

[John Lovett]

Kara, I referred to Brian Johnson's semen volume, which is, I think, not part of it.

[Kara Swisher]

It may be. It may be. It may be.

[John Lovett]

It's really just erection measuring in my mind. He was coming into a cup and then checking out the amount.

[Kara Swisher]

He does look at his poop very carefully.

[John Lovett]

He does look at his poop very carefully, right?

[Kara Swisher]

Well, yeah, probably the best of the things he does. He can tell a lot from poop.

[John Lovett]

It's interesting. I probably, honestly, like, every morning I take my dog for a walk, and it's like, good poop today. This dog's gonna live another day. Right? You know, so it's kind of a similar thing.

[Kara Swisher]

Are you like Dr. Welby or something? Like good poop?

[John Lovett]

Yeah, yeah. I'm Kellogg.

[Kara Swisher]

Kellogg.

[John Lovett]

I'm walking. That's what I'm like.

[Kara Swisher]

That's right. That's right. I'm like Another historical reference nobody's going to get.

[John Lovett]

But go ahead, I don't care. Someone out there gets it. I didn't fully understand the history game. It was too embarrassing. And that's my fault. Kara, do you have any regrets about this evening?

[Kara Swisher]

Not at all.

[John Lovett]

Oh, that's so nice.

[Kara Swisher]

See, that's part of being healthy.

[John Lovett]

You think? I think it's about getting it out there, you know?

[Kara Swisher]

Okay, Cal, how do you want to die? No, I'm kidding.

[Cal Penn]

How do I want to die? Oh, boy.

[John Lovett]

Why is it teasing when you ask him, but you ask me straight to my fucking face to ask him.

[Cal Penn]

I'll tell you how I want you.

[Kara Swisher]

How does it die?

[Cal Penn]

I'll tell you exactly.

[Kara Swisher]

But we know how. You do died on that show. That's a shame.

[Cal Penn]

No, I don't want to die that way. Yeah, I want.

[Kara Swisher]

Neither do we.

[Cal Penn]

I want to. I want to die in space. I want to.

[Kara Swisher]

Really?

[Cal Penn]

Yeah, I want to give it on a. Like on one of those, you know, I'm never going to have the kind of money that can buy a half a million dollar ticket. Whatever.

[John Lovett]

Not with that attitude.

[Cal Penn]

But sometimes for sure. But then like, sometimes they give like a little.

[Kara Swisher]

Yeah.

[Cal Penn]

Free seat. Filmmaker, actor, whatever. Yeah, I want that seat.

[John Lovett]

You want the Katy Perry seat?

[Cal Penn]

Yeah, but I specifically want to make it out on re entry. Fine, right. As long as something is learned from the fate of the.

[Kara Swisher]

How far do you want to go out?

[Cal Penn]

Far enough. I mean, certainly a couple of orbits. But if we're talking far far, I'm okay.

[John Lovett]

Like the Artemis, as long as we learned something. Wow. When he bridged up, it was such an interesting color.

[Cal Penn]

I'm saying if one has to choose how they're dying and you get the privilege of choosing it.

[Kara Swisher]

The only time Elon Musk made a very good joke was he said, I wanted to. I want to die on Mars, just not on landing. Oh, nobody laughed.

[John Lovett]

And that's the best joke he's ever told. Can I tell you something? A serious point about this, which is whenever I think about these people fighting for immortality, and I remember a stat, and it may be somewhat apocryphal, but I'm sure it's about right. Which is that even if you cured cancer, you'd extend life about seven years. That was a stat that was going around for a while. And I think about what would happen is like, oh, wow, Brian Johnson, he got to live 200 years, he got to live 300 years, he got to live 500 years. This universe is so old. The scale of Time in the world is so vast. You are living but a moment. It could be 100 years or 200 years, or 500 years. It will be short. No matter how much toilet paper you buy at Costco, you run out. You can fill your car with it. You could do five trips. You will run out of toilet paper. There's no way around it. And you may feel good looking at your mountains of toilet paper, thinking, I'll never need to go to Costco again. But one day, my friend, you will pull a piece and it will be cardboard and there will be no toilet paper left. No matter how much you buy, you can build a pyramid of the stuff. You can hire millions of people to bring more toilet paper to you. It will run out. And there's beauty to that.

[Cal Penn]

If you pulled out a knife and eviscerated a small animal after that monologue, I would not be surprised. There was a look in your eye.

[John Lovett]

And that's our show. Thank you to Cal Penn.

[Sean]

Thank you.

[John Lovett]

Thank you to Kara Swisher. We will see you next week at the Lincoln Theater in Washington, dc. Just a few tickets left for that one. There are 198 days until the midterms. Have a great night and have a great weekend. If you're already scrolling in which we know you are, don't forget to follow us at Crooked media on Instagram, TikTok and all the other ones for original content, community events and more. You can also find Love it or leave it on YouTube for videos of your favorite segments and other YouTube exclusive content. And if you want to type our praises or rip us a new one, consider dropping us a review. Finally, you can join Crooked's Friends of the Pod subscription community for ad free Love it or Leave it and Pod Save America episodes, subscriber, exclusive pods and more. Sign [e-mail] love it or leave it is a Crooked Media production. It's written and produced by me, John Lovett. Kendra James is our executive producer. Bill McGrath is our producer. Hallie Keeper is our head writer. Sarah Lazarus is our senior staff writer and Jocelyn Kaufman, Peter Miller, Alan Pierre and Suba Argual are our writers. Jordan Cantor is our editor. Kyle Seglin and Charlotte Landis provide audio support. Stephen Colon is our audio engineer. Our theme song is written and performed by sure sure. Thanks to our designer, Sammy Cadorna Reeves for creating and running all of our visuals, which you can't see because this is a podcast. And to our digital producers, David Toles, Claudia Shang, Mia Kelman, Delon Villanueva, Jay Banks Milo Kim and Rachel Gajewski for filming and editing video each week so that you can Love it or Leave is produced by Lee Eisenberg and our head of production is Matt de Groot, and our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East. It's Love it or leave it.

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[John Lovett]

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[Kara Swisher]

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