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Podcast: LSE: Public Lectures and Events
Host: Paul Dolan (LSE professor of behavioural science)
Episode: "Duck – Rabbit: taking sides"
Date: April 27, 2021

This episode introduces The Duck-Rabbit Podcast series, hosted by Professor Paul Dolan, exploring the human tendency to take sides and see the world through a single lens—using the famous optical illusion of the duck-rabbit as a metaphor. Dolan examines polarization in society, its impact on happiness, and the potential for greater acceptance of divergent perspectives.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Duck-Rabbit Illustration: A Metaphor for Perception

[00:00] Dolan opens with the duck-rabbit image, describing how once we see the "duck," it becomes hard to recognize the "rabbit," even if prompted.
- "You’re asked what animal you see...all of a sudden, you see a duck. Yeah, that’s it. It’s a duck."
- When told it could also be a rabbit: "Really? A rabbit? I can’t see that. Oh yes, I can. Just about. Yeah. But it’s mostly a duck."
The metaphor illustrates how, in life, once we identify with a particular viewpoint, it's challenging to see things another way.

Echo Chambers and Polarisation

Dolan draws analogies to polarized issues: Brexit, climate change, Marmite, Covid.
- "Once we see an issue or an image in a particular way, we rarely change our minds about it."
He highlights how people:
- Surround themselves with like-minded individuals ("people that agree with us, who see it as a duck just like us")
- Dismiss opposing perspectives ("we dismiss people who see it as a rabbit")
The danger: "Till, in the end, how is it possible to see it any other way?"

The Comfort of Certainty and the Cost of Division

Dolan acknowledges why we prefer simplicity and comfort:
- "It’s comforting, it’s nice to surround ourselves with people that see the world like us."
- "It’s nice to have our views reinforced."
He raises the question of whether embracing or accepting difference might make us happier.

Dolan’s Mission: Reducing Polarisation Through Acceptance

Dolan introduces himself and background in behavioural science and happiness, referencing his two bestselling books.
- "I’m Paul Dolan... I’ve spent years researching human behaviour and happiness, and I’ve written two bestselling books about it."
His focus for the series:
- Examining division in society: "whether our polarized culture is actually making us miserable"
- Core motivation: acceptance, not conformity:
  - "I don’t want us to agree about everything, but I do want us to accept that we can disagree."
  - "To accept that I can see a rabbit when you’re convinced it’s a duck."

Common Ground

Dolan closes by emphasizing that despite divergent views, we share fundamental similarities:
- "There are so many more things that make us similar rather than different. We both see an animal in the image. After all, that’s the Duck Rabbit podcast with Professor Paul Dolan."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On how people perceive differently, even with the same evidence:
- “Once we see an issue or an image in a particular way, we rarely change our minds about it.” (Paul Dolan, 00:36)
On surrounding ourselves with agreement:
- “It’s nice to have our views reinforced. But just maybe we could all be a bit happier if we embrace difference, or at least if we accepted that a different point of view existed.” (Paul Dolan, 01:01)
On his motivation for the podcast:
- “My main motivation in all of this is one of acceptance. I don’t want us to agree about everything, but I do want us to accept that we can disagree.” (Paul Dolan, 01:37)
On shared humanity:
- “There are so many more things that make us similar rather than different. We both see an animal in the image, after all.” (Paul Dolan, 01:57)

Key Timestamps

00:00 – Introduction with the duck-rabbit visual metaphor
00:36 – Parallels between perception and societal polarization (Brexit, climate, etc.)
01:01 – Comfort in sameness and reinforcement of our views
01:37 – Dolan’s motivation: aiming for acceptance of differing perspectives
01:57 – Final reflection: Emphasizing shared ground amidst difference

This episode lays the foundation for a series examining not just why we take sides, but how acknowledging and accepting disagreement can enrich our collective experience. Professor Dolan’s tone is both reflective and inviting, encouraging listeners to look beyond the urge for certainty toward a more empathetic understanding of difference.

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[00:00]
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Think of this. You're shown a picture, it's black and white and sort of blurry. You're asked what animal you see. You take a close look, it's hard to make anything out, but then all of a sudden, you see a duck. Yeah, that's it. It's a duck. Well, now you're told it could also be a rabbit. Really? A rabbit? I can't see that. Oh, yes, I can. Just about. Yeah. But it's mostly a duck. That rabbit's really hard to see. It's definitely a duck. In fact, I'm not sure anyone else could see it as a rabbit, to be honest. Now, that's also true of life, isn't it? If you think about Brexit, climate change, Marmite, even Covid. Once we see an issue or an image in a particular way, we rarely change our minds about it. We surround ourselves with people that agree with us, who see it as a duck just like us. And then we dismiss people who see it as a rabbit. Till, in the end, how is it possible to see it any other way? Now, there's lots of good reasons why we might like to see the world in a simple way. If it's comforting, it's nice to surround ourselves with people that see the world like us. It's nice to have our views reinforced. But just maybe we could all be a bit happier if we embrace difference, or at least if we accepted that a different point of view existed. I'm Paul Dolan. I'm a professor of behavioral science at the London School of Economics, and this is the duckrabbit podcast. I've spent years researching human behaviour and happiness, and I've written two bestselling books about it. I'm well aware of the comfort that can be found in conforming to core beliefs and from dismissing anyone who dares to disagree with them. But now I'm interested in whether our polarized culture is actually making us miserable. In this series, I'm going to be looking at some of the issues that really divide us. I'm going to try and find out whether polarisation is fundamental to how we work and to see whether we can reduce it. My main motivation in all of this is one of acceptance. I don't want us to agree about everything, but I do want us to accept that we can disagree. To accept that I can see a rabbit when you're convinced it's a duck. And I want us to remind ourselves that there are so many more things that make us similar rather than different. We both see an animal in the image. After all, that's the Duck Rabbit podcast with Professor Paul Dolan. You'll find it wherever you get your pod.