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Episode: The Tsar Liberates Europe? Russia against Napoleon, 1807–1814
Speaker: Professor Dominic Lieven
Date: October 8, 2009
Host: LSE Film and Audio Team (Arne Westad as moderator)

Overview

This episode celebrates the launch of Professor Dominic Lieven’s book, "Russia Against Napoleon," and explores Russia's pivotal role in the Napoleonic Wars from 1807 to 1814. Lieven challenges dominant historical myths, especially those rooted in nationalist traditions, offering a revisionist perspective on Russia’s military, diplomatic, and strategic achievements. The lecture and discussion address how Russian victory reshaped Europe and influenced perceptions of national identity, state power, and geopolitics.

Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Introduction and Setting the Scene

• [00:00–06:29]
  • Professor Arne Westad introduces Dominic Lieven, underscoring his credentials and previous scholarship.
  • Lieven’s narrative focuses on grand strategy, diplomacy, and state power, with a particular emphasis on Emperor Alexander I.
  • The episode launches Lieven’s book, aiming to challenge widespread myths about Russia’s role in the Napoleonic Wars.

Notable Quote:

"If there is a single individual who is a hero of the book, it is the Emperor Alexander the First."
— Dominic Lieven [06:30]

2. Myths vs. Historical Reality

• [06:30–16:28]
  • The enduring myths about 1812, especially the portrayal influenced by Tolstoy’s War and Peace, have distorted historical understanding.
  • In the West, German, British, and French nationalist historiographies dominate accounts of the Napoleonic Wars, minimizing Russia’s role.
  • Ironically, Russian nationalist narratives themselves understate Russia's achievements beyond 1812—neglecting the campaigns of 1813–14, which were crucial militarily and diplomatically.

Notable Quote:

"Russian national myths about this era grossly underestimate their own achievement... That is a puzzle."
— Dominic Lieven [11:44]

• Lieven identifies Tolstoy’s narrative as a major culprit:

"His novel ends in December 1812 with the Russian army in Vilna. The Russian army actually got to Paris."
— Dominic Lieven [12:50]

3. Rethinking Russian Strategy and the War’s Arc

• [16:28–24:50]
  • Russia’s government always planned a long war—a two-stage strategy starting with defense at home and ending by pursuing Napoleon into Europe.
  • 1813–14 campaigns showcased superior Russian military learning and professionalism compared to 1812.
  • The real story is about Russia as a liberator — the Russian army was welcomed in Europe as an army of liberation in 1813–14.

Notable Quote:

"You can’t understand how Russia fought the 1812 campaign without understanding 1813–14, because the Russian government from the very beginning planned for at least a two and probably longer war..."
— Dominic Lieven [16:39]

4. The “God’s Eye” and “Worm’s Eye” Views

• [24:50–41:17]
  • “God’s Eye” View: Focuses on structural and geopolitical realities—Russia, as a peripheral power like Britain, played a key balancing role against continental empires.
  • National versus dynastic strategies shaped Russian actions, with some factions favoring an eastern focus (against Ottomans) and others a European one.
  • “Worm’s Eye” View: Examines military technology, logistics, and operations—e.g., poor Russian musket accuracy due to thick domestic paper; immense challenges moving and supplying armies.
  • Key example: Battle of Bautzen (May 1813) was a narrowly-missed decisive French victory, hinging on operational details.

Notable Quote:

"Military operations are crucial. You can study structures and ideology... it can all be blown away in the course of an afternoon. And that is the nature of blitzkrieg. It's the nature of Napoleon's way of fighting war..."
— Dominic Lieven [33:38]

5. Russian Army: Motivation, Structure & Morale

• [41:17–48:41]
  • Russian soldiers were motivated less by nationalism and more by regimental loyalty and monarchy-as-protector-of-Orthodoxy.
  • Extreme cohesion in Russian ranks allowed survival and discipline under pressured retreats (unlike British, French, or Prussian armies at various points).
  • The army was a tight-knit cadre, and its loss would spell disaster—hence the anxiety of commanders like Kutuzov.

Notable Quote:

"What you have to remember, to put it in a nutshell, is that the army of the Emperor is not the Russian nation at arms. It is an army built around regimental pride and a veteran cadre..."
— Dominic Lieven [48:01]

6. Horses and Espionage as Keys to Victory

• [48:41–52:19]
  • Russian victory depended on resources of horses—critical for logistics, cavalry, and artillery.
  • Russian espionage, led by Alexander Chernyshov and Karl von Nesselrode, deeply penetrated French war ministries, influencing campaign outcomes.
  • Intelligence coups included obtaining French army deployment documents and sowing strategic misinformation.

Notable Quote:

“The Russian espionage system and intelligence systems ripped apart the Napoleonic, both civil and military structures of power... There was simply no secret in France which was not on Alexander's desk within a month or so of being on Napoleon's.”
— Dominic Lieven [50:23]

7. Russia’s War Aims and Alexander I’s Decisions

• [54:05–59:17]
  • Arne Westad asks about Russia’s plans for postwar Europe and the multinational nature of Russian leadership.
  • Lieven emphasizes Alexander as the central decision-maker, seeing Russia’s security as inseparable from Europe’s.
  • The decision to continue fighting across Europe was Alexander’s alone; without him, Russia likely would not have entered France in 1814.

Notable Quote:

"Alexander is in every sense Russia's leader as essentially, you know, as much as Stalin was, not by the same methods of terror, but unequivocally the man who makes the final decisions in terms of grand strategy, diplomacy, and to some extent even military operations."
— Dominic Lieven [54:15]

8. Geopolitics and Modern Parallels

• [59:41–66:48]
  • The Q&A links Russia’s Napoleonic interventions to broader lessons about geopolitics—specifically the persistent centrality of Russian-German relations, the impact of military and political strategies, and the legacy into the modern age.
  • Lieven reflects on how Russia’s approach to European security has evolved, referencing contemporary debates over European security architecture and Russia’s complex relations with the West.

Notable Quote:

"It's been the case really, from about 1870 to 1945, that the only two countries which really mattered in Europe were the Germans and the Russians... unless you bring the Americans in."
— Dominic Lieven [64:13]

9. The Book’s Origins and Broader Implications

• [67:04–70:32]
  • Lieven traces his motivation to family history, personal fascination, and a desire to correct longstanding scholarly misinterpretations.
  • The war’s outcome showed how the Russian state, in partnership with nobility, orchestrated mobilization—not a totalitarian regime, but one of effective delegation and elite cooperation.

Notable Quote:

“It is a fantastic story and it is a story which I am absolutely convinced has been told completely untruthfully, year after year. And I just got fed up.”
— Dominic Lieven [67:24]

10. Legacy of 1812–1814 and Russian History

• [70:43–73:53]
  • Lieven argues that victory consolidated autocracy and serfdom by legitimizing the existing regime, helping explain Russia’s conservative trajectory under Nicholas I.
  • Points out, however, that Russia’s later economic “backwardness” is more about structural factors, like geography and the Industrial Revolution’s origins, than about political aftereffects of 1812–1814.

Notable Quote:

“Victory always legitimately legitimises the existing order... what defeats Napoleon is not modern nationalism, it’s the Russian old regime, which is much more formidable in its way, faced with that kind of challenge.”
— Dominic Lieven [69:44]

Memorable Moments and Quotes

• On Tolstoy’s myth-making:
  “The greatest challenges and the greatest achievements were still to come... Tolstoy doesn't just finish with the story half told, but actually the greatest challenges and the greatest achievements were still to come.” [12:41]

• On military historians and universities:
  “If you want to make yourself unappointable in any British, German, let alone American university, just tell people that you want to study kings and battles...” [33:24]

• On regimental bonds:
  “The regiment becomes the home, the family, and the fatherland. The regiment is what you die for.” [43:36]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction & Opening Context: [00:00–06:29]
• Myth and Historiography—Tolstoy’s Influence: [06:30–16:28]
• True Story—Russian Strategic Vision: [16:28–24:50]
• God’s Eye and Worm’s Eye Views: [24:50–41:17]
• Army Motivation, Structure, and Morale: [41:17–48:41]
• Horses and Espionage: [48:41–52:19]
• Q&A—Russian Aims, Leadership, and Postwar Europe: [54:05–59:17]
• Modern Parallels—Geopolitics: [59:41–66:48]
• Personal Motivation and Book’s Broader Lessons: [67:04–70:32]
• Long-term Legacy: [70:43–73:53]

Conclusion

Dominic Lieven’s lecture uncovers a fresh, critical understanding of Russia’s role in Europe’s liberation from Napoleon, emphasizing the need to revisit nationalist myths, examine under-appreciated military and logistical feats, and foreground the role of intelligence and leadership. The discussion draws powerful lines from early 19th-century geopolitics to modern European security issues, inviting listeners to re-examine familiar stories about war, state power, and national identity.