The Letters | The Walkers Ep6

Summary

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The Walkers: The Real Salt Path | Episode 6: "The Letters"

Host: Chloe Hadjimatheou (for The Observer)
Original Release: February 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the authenticity of Raynor Winn’s acclaimed memoir, "The Salt Path." Using detailed testimony and family correspondence, reporter Chloe Hadjimatheou investigates claims that the celebrated account of homelessness and redemption may not be as honest as it appears. "The Letters" focuses on revelations about the real identities of "Raynor" and "Moth," disputes over family money, an apparent confession of theft, and the unraveling of a family in crisis.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Unveiling Real Names & Identities

• The episode opens with Chloe questioning the mystique around the pseudonyms "Raynor" and "Moth" (Tim).
• Family members reveal:
  • "Sally Walker" is the author’s real name, constructed from her mother’s maiden name (Raynor) and her own (Winn).
  • "Moth" is an abbreviation derived from the middle letters of "Timothy."
  • The use of these nicknames is presented as habitual, but Chloe notes a lack of evidence that anyone in their circle actually uses them (04:01).

“Her and her husband’s real names weren’t anywhere in the public domain. Had she put their names out there, the people she still owed money to would have caught up with her, as they did after my initial article was published.”
— Chloe Hadjimatheou (04:01)

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2. Family Testimony: Betrayal and Financial Ruin

• Anne (Raynor's niece), after much hesitation, speaks publicly about her family's side. She describes feelings of fear and pressure in coming forward due to the notoriety surrounding her aunt (05:59).
• Anne recounts how a seemingly loving, favored daughter became estranged from her family after severe allegations of financial misconduct.

“There was always that overtone and element of fear, of recrimination…you’ve kind of had to prove that we can trust you.”
— Anne (05:59)

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3. The Missing Money and The Confession Letter

• Incident: Around Christmas 2011 or 2012, Anne’s grandmother discovers her bank account emptied (~£12,000–£13,000, a huge sum for her means) (13:23).
• Investigation reveals Sally (Raynor) had assumed control of her finances and money was disappearing; statements were being forged.
• An "apparent confession" email is sent by Sally to her mother and sister, admitting to taking the money and begging them not to go to the police:
  (15:45–22:43, significant excerpt read aloud).

"Please don't look any further for the money. I’ve taken it. All of it. …I have a police record and should this go any further, I will go to prison."
— Family member reading Sally's email (15:45)

• The letter claims financial desperation, referencing previous criminal charges and Sally’s flight from the police (details confirmed by other family sources). Sally, however, denies ever writing this letter or stealing the money (14:58).

“I have the accounts of four people from Sally’s side of the family and four people from Tim’s side…that’s eight people from two families who haven’t been in touch for decades.”
— Chloe Hadjimatheou (14:58)

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4. Reality vs. the Memoir: Homelessness and Family Support

• Anne narrates how the family took Sally and Tim in after the loss of their home—giving them accommodation, work, and emotional support.
• Contrary to the book's depiction of dire homelessness, Anne asserts that the couple had choices and support, saying “They always had the option of a proper roof over their head at every point.” (33:52)
• The “Polly” character from the memoir is based on Anne, and Anne is deeply hurt by her portrayal as an exploitative figure (32:12–33:18).

“None of us would see them homeless, homeless. And this whole thing…there was a huge difference between homeless, homeless, living on a street somewhere…and homeless within the fact that they haven't got their name on anything...”
— Anne (33:52)

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5. Disputed Work, Family Fallout, and Memoir Inaccuracies

• The "Salt Path" describes distressing living conditions and exploitation, but Anne asserts the shed was a comfortable cottage and the work was voluntary or paid.
• Anne details how the family eventually had to ask Sally and Tim to leave due to lack of contribution and increasing strain (38:18–40:08).

“It became a permanent situation…How do I square that away when, you know, I’m struggling to make as much income as I possibly can to keep a roof over mine and my kids?”
— Anne (38:43)

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6. Judicial Records and ‘The Friend Who Cheated Us’

• Chloe confronts the myth, perpetuated in the memoir, that Raynor and Moth were conned out of their home by a lifelong friend ("Cooper"). Court records and legal documents indicate the family had indeed borrowed (and owed) the money, contradicting this narrative (27:13; 28:31).

“I’ve seen legal documents that show that in reality…that letter Sally refers to argued that they owed money to Cooper’s bankrupt company, not to him directly. It seems to have been a delaying tactic and…was rejected by the judge.”
— Chloe Hadjimatheou (28:31)

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7. Legacy, ‘Rewrite,’ and the Nature of Truth in Memoir

• Chloe and Anne reflect on how Raynor’s narrative appears to reinvent and justify her past—almost as a love letter to Moth/Tim.
• Anne’s mother’s dying advice was to “keep the letters…you may need them down the line” (42:27–42:44).

"What you have to understand is these books are just…a long love letter of her love and devotion to Tim and how she wants to…rewrite history for him, because that makes it safe and makes it right and justifies everything…”
— Anne (46:28)

• The episode ends with mention of an earlier fiction book by Raynor/Sally, suggesting her memoirs may borrow from earlier autobiographical fiction.

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8. Raynor Winn’s Response

• Raynor Winn stands by her story in an official response:

“The Salt Path lays bare the physical and spiritual journey Moth and I shared—an experience that transformed us completely and altered the course of our lives. This is the true story of our journey.”
— Raynor Winn, statement (48:28 approx.)

She further denies theft, the writing of any “confession” letter, and fraudulent use of pseudonyms.

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Notable Quotes

On Names and Secrecy:

• “It’s so, so simple when you think about it.” — Anne, regarding "Moth" (02:39)
• “Her and her husband's real names weren't anywhere in the public domain…” — Chloe Hadjimatheou (04:01)

On Family Betrayal:

• “All of this is a lie. This isn’t…the person she depicts sat on the One Show sofa. You know, she sold three, four books and a movie on the back of lies.”
  — Anne (05:11)

On Financial Despair:

• “I juggled the money. …After a year, I did it without even knowing it was happening. It became almost an addiction…When I was arrested…for the theft of £67,000, I was stunned.”
  — Apparent Sally confession, read aloud (15:45)

On Memoir vs. Reality:

• “That wasn’t what it was, that wasn’t how it is, and that has been so twisted it’s ridiculous.”
  — Anne, on her portrayal (33:04)

On the Power and Danger of Storytelling:

• “But I think publishing must stand for truth in order to survive.” — Chloe Hadjimatheou (48:28)

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Timeline & Key Timestamps

• [02:28–03:53]: Family reveals origins of "Moth" and resistance to disclose real names.
• [04:01–05:11]: Chloe details uncovering the family’s true identities and the link to old debts.
• [05:59–06:36]: Anne discusses her fears in coming forward.
• [13:16–14:18]: Mary and Chloe discuss the extent of the grandmother’s missing money.
• [14:41–22:43]: The "confession" email is read aloud and analyzed.
• [27:13–28:31]: The "conman" friend myth is debunked with reference to legal documents.
• [32:12–33:18]: Anne details the reality of housing Sally and Tim, and disputes the depiction of Polly.
• [38:18–41:08]: Deteriorating family relationships lead to Sally and Tim being asked to leave.
• [46:19–46:53]: Anne theorizes that the memoir is an act of re-invention, a "love letter" to Tim.
• [48:28]: Raynor Winn’s response to the investigative reporting.

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Memorable Moments

• The reading of the alleged confession email (15:45–22:43) is the emotional core, setting a factual foundation for the episode’s interrogation of the memoir.
• The emotional hurt experienced by Anne upon discovering her fictionalized alter-ego in "The Salt Path" (41:23).
• Anne’s mother, even on her deathbed, warning her daughter to “keep the letters” as a safeguard against possible future deception (42:27).
• The sense of both compassion and pain as family bonds are tested by truth and myth.

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Thematic Reflection

"The Letters" is an intricate investigation into family, truth, and the power of narrative. The episode paints a complicated portrait of Raynor Winn/Sally Walker—a woman who, driven perhaps by desperation and love, may have blurred and rewritten the lines between fiction and reality. It poses uncomfortable questions for the literary world: how far can a memoir bend the truth, and who gets to own a story when it is also a source of profit and public inspiration?

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Transcript

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[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

See Terms. The Observer.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Can I ask a very, very tr. Moth called moth.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Ah, moth.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Which is probably the question that everybody.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Wanted to ask but didn't, dear.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

At the Edinburgh Book Festival back in 2021, the host, Sally Magnuson, veers closer to a secret than perhaps she realizes at the time.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Well, it's.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

It's a nickname.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

It's an abbreviation. It's.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

It's what I've always known him as. It's what his friends used to call him.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

What's it?

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

What's an abbreviation of?

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Well, I'm gonna leave that one with.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

You to work out.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

You can't say that.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

I can.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

People are agog. I can just have to think about it.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

It's so, so simple when you think about it.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

But I'll leave it with you. So why are you reluctant to.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Because I just amuse Myself, because so.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Few people have realised what his name is when it's so obvious.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

In all the interviews I've listened to and read Rainer Wynn's only a couple of times been asked what seems to me a strikingly obvious question. Unusual names, Rainer and Moth. Surely they're not their given names? And if not, what are their real names? But as soon as anyone's asked about this, Rainer's always shut the question down.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Surely Moth isn't his real name.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Moth as in Moth M O T.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

H. It's what most of his teenage friends have always called him, so must be it.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

What is Bruno?

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Here she is being asked on an Australian podcast, Conversations with Cornzy, and again she refuses to answer.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Is it a secret?

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Well, it's. That's an abbreviation of his real name, so you know it's what we've always known him as.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

So that's who he is to us.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Raynor.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Now, don't you can't you have to.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Tell us his real name?

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

No, I don't.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Yes, you do.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

I'll leave that one with you.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I'll leave that with you.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

What can that be?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

What can that be?

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Short for Moth?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

No, Morris.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

Anyway, it was great to see Jason.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

On the screen because right up until I published my initial revelations, her and her husband's real names weren't anywhere in the public domain. Had she put their names out there, then the people she still owed money to would have caught up with her, as they did after my initial article was published at the end of last year, Rainer was forced to pay back £150,000 capital, plus interest owed in order to get out of criminal charges brought against her by her former employer back in Wales in 2008. Sally Walker's pen name's been constructed from her mother's maiden name, Rainer, and. And her own maiden name, Win. Moth, it seems, is the middle letters of his real name, Timothy. And like Madonna or Prince, Moth comes without a surname. Rainer and Moth, she claims, are nicknames that they and their friends have always used for each other. But I haven't been able to find anyone who's ever heard them call each other that. And on the wall in their old house is that inscription in the plasterwork. Tim Hart, South.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I've gotta stick my neck out and go, everything is wrong. All of this is a lie. This isn't. The person she depicts sat on the One show sofa. You know she sold three, four books and a movie on the back of Lies.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

For weeks I'd been trying to speak to Raina Wynne's niece. I'm calling her Anne. Cause like Cecile, Tim's niece, Anne's worried about being hounded by the media. Rainer Wynn and Moth will know who she is and so it's taken a lot of courage for her to come forward. Anne knows there are literary agents and publishers and film producers, all of whom have made a lot of money from Rainer Wynn's story. Which is why when Anne first agreed to meet me, it all felt very deep throat.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

There was always that overtones and elements of fear, of recrimination and I don't know what they could do. How were you feeling the day that you came to meet me at the motorway service station? Terrified. I needed someone to find me who I trusted enough to speak to. And if just someone had rocked up on the front door, would I have spoken to them? No, I probably wouldn't have done. But you know, you've kind of had to prove that we can trust you. And I know you found me very late on within all of this, but I hope I can only add weight to the fact that all these people who've said it's lies and this is what they've done, I can only try and back that up.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne and her side, Rayna Wynn's side of the family, have helped put the last piece of the puzzle in place. It feels like now gaps have been filled in and mysteries solved about the names, about a walk and a couple bound together by desperation and deceit and a family torn apart. I'm Chloe Hajimotheo and from Tortoise Investigates and the observer, this is the Walkers the Real Salt Path Episode 6 the Letters.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Sally was the person I wanted to be when I was young. You know, she had the life, she was fun, she was everything else. She was just. She was the apple of grandma's eye and just alive.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne has really fond memories from when she was a little girl of her mother's sister, Aunt Sal.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

You know, she was always, you know, wearing a scarf with her hair floating loose, brushed back off her face. And Tim would wear a paisley print bandana of various colors wrapped carefully around his neck and thick cotton jackets and an extra blazer and worn jeans and perfectly polished boots and you know, it was always almost a brand. It was who they were.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Sally was the favorite, the gem of the family, says Anne. Her parents had high hopes for her. At one point, soon after she graduated from college, she seemed to be destined for a career in law.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

She said that she was doing something in Burton Law Court. It all ended very abruptly and my Grandparents, so Sally's mum and dad wouldn't talk about it with the family.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne's grandparents were tenant farmers in Staffordshire. They had two children, the oldest, Anne's mum, Sue, and then Sally. And apparently their mum doted on Sally.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

She was everything and she'd been so close. Sally would take her up to Penrice and she'd buy stuff with her and Grandma would always be buying Sal stuff.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne visited her aunt in Wales a few times as a kid, but she was an adult, almost 30, and starting her own family, when the thing happened, the thing that shook them all and would ultimately change the dynamics in her family forever. It was Christmas. Anne doesn't remember the year precisely.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

It would have been between 2011, 2012.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

And it was an unusual year because instead of going to stay with Sally, Anne's grandmother was staying with Anne's mum, Sue.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

So she would normally have gone to stop with Tim and Sally over Christmas. She would stay in the barn, which was like a holiday let thing. It was very nicely done. But she didn't that year because Tim's parents were in the barn.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Tim's parents were renting their own place nearby in Wales, so there wouldn't have been an obvious reason for them to stay over with Sally and Tim. But Anne didn't think much about it at the time. The point was that that year, Anne's grandmother was staying with Anne's mum, Sue, and the two of them had gone shopping at the local supermarket when Grandma's.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Card was refused in the co op in Kington, you know, insufficient funds or whatever it used to come up with. Panic, panic, panic. So Mum managed to pay for the groceries, came out, go back home, sought Grandma about, bearing in mind she was getting older. At the time, she would have been in her 70s.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne's grandmother was getting stressed. She'd lost money from her account once before and that time Sally had sorted things out with the bank and made sure the money went back into the account.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Grandma had got worried that she was missing stuff on the statements, so Sally took over looking after Grandma's finances, you know, keeping an eye on it. The statements were then redirected and that was the point that when Grandma would see Sally, Sally would show her these statements or show her things.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Given that Sally was a bookkeeper for an estate agent, it seemed like a sensible arrangement. But now money was missing again. And so Anne's grandmother told her oldest daughter sue, to call her sister sue.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Get a hold of Sally, because Sally always deals with the finances and everything. Couldn't get a hold Of Sally, everything's shutting down for Christmas trying to get a hold of banks. But the long and the short of it was the money had gone and statements which Grandma thought she'd had weren't right. And when they printed out the statements from the bank and they got those, it was quite plainly obvious that it hadn't been fraud. Someone had been taking the money out of the account consistently and regularly over a certain amount of time to pay for things.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Oh yes, yes, very close.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

This is someone I'm calling Mary. She's another relative of Anne's. She was very close to Anne's grandmother who she called Auntie I saw.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Oh the last since her husband passed away Anyway, every week or every fortnight.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

What was she like?

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Wonderful.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

She was the most wonderful person, if I put it like this very hard working country person, farming person, got very little. They lived off the land as you call it and brought up the family.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Mary also remembers that Sally was the favourite daughter.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

It was always Sally, this Sally Hart. And it's ever when I used to take Auntie shopping after uncle died, it was always to buy stuff for Sally.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anyway, that year Mary had gone round to visit the old lady soon after.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Christmas and the first thing she met me with when I went through the door was that somebody's had my money. And I said what do you mean somebody's had your money? And I said have you where have your room, Sally? And she said I can't get hold of her and I said have you rung Sue? She says yes and Sue's got in touch with the bank and she's been asking for the, you know, back statements of where everything's gone to really, really upset her because she'd got nothing left in the bank.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Do you know how much had gone?

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

It had all gone.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

How much do you think it was?

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Not quite sure because bearing in mind they never earned very much, you know what I mean? They didn't and. But I would think, I don't know, 12,000, 13,000 and that to her would be like being a millionaire, if you know what I mean. It was absolutely devastating.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Mary called sue to ask what she'd found out from the bank. It looked like Sally had been spending her mother's money and sue said she.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Was going over all the statements and I said well what she spent the money on, you know, where's it gone?

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Did they ever find out?

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Well, to me it was just like on luxuries and things like that.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

The money sue told her had been transferred out of the account by Sally without ever asking permission, sue said to.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Me that it said, like, they were going to get in touch with the police and that about it. And of course, then Sally wrote this letter begging them, like, not to do it because it was her that had had the money.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne says Sally had been avoiding their calls, but finally she sent an email to sue to explain everything.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

As soon as the typed written email had gone to Mum and Dad and they'd got it, they showed all of us. This was Sally admitting this. You know, I've taken it. Please don't look any further, but please don't go to the police because I already have a record and I'll do time.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

I've seen a copy of this apparent confession email. There's no date or signature. It's essentially a piece of paper with typed words. And Sally Walker denies writing it. She also denies stealing any money from either family. But so much of the contents of the email has been corroborated by witnesses. I have the accounts of four people from Sally's side of the family and four people from Tim's side. That's eight people from two families who haven't been in touch for decades. So, given all of those accounts, I think it's worth hearing. The email, it isn't addressed to anyone, but Ann says it was sent to her mum, sue, days after the empty bank account was discovered.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Please don't look any further for the money. I've taken it. All of it. The figures the bank are giving you are correct. I have written this to make some sense of it. If I try to talk to you about it, the words won't come out, or at least not those that need to be said. I've tried so hard to tell someone over the years, but no one even notices anything's wrong. I have to ask you not to take things any further with the bank, but tell them it was just a mistake. I have to ask this as I have a police record and should this go any further, I will go to prison. This time I can attempt to explain the why. Not as an excuse, there is none, but to give this some context and because the first thing I can hear you say is why. After we sold Forest Row, Tim met up with someone who dealt in property. He trusted him implicitly and, against my better judgment, invested half our capital in a project with him on the promise of a doubled return in two years. It fell through and we lost all the money. We then came to Wales. As we could afford little else, Tim began seven years of attempting to get the money back Unsuccessfully, but in the process drove himself to the edge of sanity over what he had done. I became desperate to hold him out of it and keep some of the real Tim alive. I took over the finances completely. Tim worked for the National Trust on wages that were less than dole money, but he was happier. So I juggled the money. I began work in an office in town, but the backlog of debt was drowning us. When I wrote that, that first check to myself, I felt sick that I'd done it. But after a year, I. I did it without even knowing it was happening. It became almost an addiction, something I was doing almost unconsciously. I just took the money and paid the bills with it. If you'd asked me how much I'd have taken, I. I would have said maybe £10,000. So when I was arrested on 8th October 2008 for the theft of £67,000, I was stunned. The duty solicitor said I was looking at six years for systematic fraud. I was bailed to Friday the 10th. Tim had no idea what was going on. But on the morning of the 10th, I left Tim a note. Skipped Bailey ran. I had 40 pound. I couldn't take any plastic or a mobile, as I would have been immediately traceable. I crisscrossed the country dodging police and cctv. I slept rough for four days, during which I ate two sandwiches and a sausage. When I got to London, I found the man who had caused all of this. And because I had so much information about him and his dealings, he had no choice but to pay back the money I had taken. And as I'd never admitted it and stuck to no comment throughout, on November 26th, the charges were dropped and it was over. So when you finish with this, please get rid of it.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

At this point, the email seems to be faithfully chronicling the story I uncovered from Wales and from the Hemings. Except Ros Hemmings had remembered the final count of what was missing as £64,000. Here, Sally seems to be saying the full amount was around 67,000. Close enough, I guess. The email goes on.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

But something in my head wasn't over. The shock of everything that happened during this time. In a mad panic when the mortgage was threatening to foreclose, I transferred 25,000 from Tim's mum and dad's account to Tim's, unaware that they had lent a huge amount to his brother. I left them with very little to pay their rent. Hence they were spending the winter in the barn before going back to France.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

This could explain why Tim's parents were staying in the barn that Christmas, as Anne remembers, because they couldn't afford their own rent. This seems to back everything Cecile remembers too. The email continues.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Somehow, somewhere amongst this living nightmare, I started taking money from my mum. Any statements she has had over the 18 months, they're fake. I've forged them. Tim is now a little better, but being told he may have Parkinson's hasn't helped. I've been alone in all of this. There's never been anyone to talk to, but I think it's over. This happening with Mum feels like I've just had a splash of cold water and woken up from a bad dream. I can't tell Tim about Mum. I just don't know how much more he could take. But this week I'm getting the accounts out on the table because it has to end here. I can hear you saying, how could she have done this to us? That's what everyone has said, but it's not like that. I love my family, all of you, and I would do anything for you. This is something outside of me. The house is on the market. We need to release the funds to pay our debts, but also we need a fresh start. I will repay the money to Mum as soon as I can get anything to her. There won't be anything before the end of January, but I will send something as soon as I can. I can apologise endlessly, but it won't put it right. There's no point coming to see you. I'm just a mess. I've been so desperate I can't be coherent. All I can do is get everyone their money back and hope that one day in time they'll stop hating me. It's of no consolation to you, but this morning, writing this, I feel better than what I have for in years because I know it's over.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne remembers that when Sally's email came, her grandmother was quite emotional.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

A lot of crying and she couldn't believe it. And she didn't know how she was going to afford to pay for her heating oil or her bit of rent that went out that wasn't covered, or, you know, her insurance and everything else. And she was really in a mess about this.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Was it shocking?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

That's a difficult one. Yes, it was shocking. Do I think she had it in there? Yeah, at that point, I probably did.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Did you ever read the letter?

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Oh, yes, it was dreadful. Absolutely dreadful. I can honestly say my aunt was never the same. It was absolutely devastating. She was a very proud person, Very proud person.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

In that letter, Sally promises to pay the money back. Do you know if she ever did?

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Oh, no. No. Good God, no.

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[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Today.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

I want to step out of this story for a second to address a kind of mystery in the salt path, one that Raina Wynne has always skimmed, but that she refers to in that email. It's about the lifetime friend that she claims conned her and her husband out of their house in Wales. It's something she's doubled down on since my revelations about how she had her house repossessed. I've read what Rana Wynne wrote on her website over and over again, but it doesn't make sense to me. The man she'd taken the loan from, who she calls Cooper in her book, was a relative and close friend of Tim's.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I can remember dad speaking about Tim having invested money because he knew the gentleman who he'd invested it with through school, because they were in school roughly the same time. So, you know, you heard whispered conversations about all of this, and, you know, they didn't have to work because, you know, they'd invested money cleverly. It was very much that this money had basically lost. It was an investment that had gone wrong, only there was always this feeling that it was never quite understood by Tim and Sal, that if you invest money, you can lose it.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Cooper died almost a decade ago, so I couldn't check any of this with him. But I did speak to business associates of his who told me he was someone who made a lot of money and lost a lot of money. At one point he had a house in Chelsea and a yacht. But when he died, he left behind only enough possessions to fit in a suitcase. When Sally ran from the police down to London and begged Cooper to lend her money, he'd just taken out a 500,000 pound mortgage against his home in order to pump it into his already failing business. That's why he had that kind of cash to hand to lend Sally £100,000.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

The suggestion that we owed money had crept in insidiously. At first we ignored it, but over time, Cooper became insistent and that owing to the structure of the agreement, we were liable to make payments towards those debts. Initially, Moth was more devastated by the breakdown in a friendship than by the financial claim, and the dispute rumbled on between them for years.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

It's possible that Sally and Tim really believed that Cooper still owed the money that they'd invested with him. But they certainly didn't say that to the men that took over their debt or to the judge who ordered for their house to be repossessed. I've seen court documents and lawyers letters that show that Tim and Sally accepted that they'd borrowed and owed money against their home. The letter that Raina Wynne says she showed the judge proving that they weren't liable for the debt.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

The judge looked at me accusingly. Is this new evidence?

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Well, yes.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

We only received it four days ago. New evidence cannot be proffered at this late stage. I cannot accept it. But it proves everything we've said for the last three years. It proves that we don't owe the claimant anything. It's the truth. I knew what was coming.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

I've seen legal documents that show that in reality, that letter Sally refers to argued that they owed money to Cooper's bankrupt company, not to him directly. It seems to have been a delaying tactic and it was one that was rejected by the judge in court. Whoever they owed money to, they would have had to pay it back anyway. And if they couldn't, their home was on the line. It seems that Sally has somehow framed this differently in her own version of events, and still believes that she and Moth lost their home because they were conned out of it. After the apparent theft, Sally's relationship with her mum was damaged and for a while her mother wouldn't talk to her. But it's clear from letters I've seen addressed to her mother that seemed to be in Sally's handwriting, that some months later, their contact resumed.

[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

Dear Mum, thank you for the letter. It meant a lot to hear from you. Sue said she didn't want to talk but would write when you were ready. So it was lovely to get your letter. I can't apologise enough for what I've done and there's nothing I can do that will make it better. I'm sorry I've hurt you. I never wanted that. We're in a very bad financial hole at the moment.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

This was 2013, when Tim and Sally were still in the process of having their house repossessed. Losing a home is distressing, whatever the circumstances, and the family rallied around Sally in spite of what they believed she'd done the previous year.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I spent a long time talking with Mum and Grandma as to whether they should or they shouldn't come there. And Grandma said, yes, please, please put a roof over my daughter's head, you know. And Mum's like, well, you know, you've got to do what you've got to do.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

So Anne drove to Wales in a van and she helped transport most of their belongings to a storage facility.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

First of all, they went to Tim's brother in North Wales for a couple of weeks.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Then they must have gone for a walking holiday for another few weeks. And after that they stayed with Tim's sister near Bristol for a while. Then they moved to Anne's mother's house.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Then they went down to Mum and Dad's.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

How long were they there, your mum and dad's?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Two or three weeks. Four weeks. Three weeks. And they went there because dad was really hoping they'd sort themselves out and find another option. And I spoke to Mum and I said, look, what do we do? We do have this room, this building that is empty. Yeah, it's not exactly the Hilton, but it's a building that'll put a roof over their head until they get on their feet again, you know, it's not luxury.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Why was it not luxury?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

It was the ex cutting room, but all of that had gone. There was white plastic sheeting on the wall, but they could move straight in. It's carpeted living room. It was a pantry, it was a hallway, it was full bathroom. It was a warm double bedroom and it's, you know, French doors out onto a yard bit and by the garden. And they could Reassess their life and refocus, ready to take the next step.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

The plan was that Sally would apply for bankruptcy to clear her debts, and that the couple would find work and knuckle down to pull their lives back together. I've seen emails from the time that show that there was still some distrust, but the family bond was the most important thing to Anne and her mum. Not that you'd necessarily get that impression from reading Raina Wynne's memoir. Because Anne appears in the Salt Path, she's the character Polly, an old school friend who offers the homeless couple Rainer and Moth shelter in a cold, uninhabitable shed in return for the couple agreeing to fix the place up for free.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

I was now an unpaid employee, a tenant, a recipient of her brand of philanthropy, grateful, obedient and always aware of my position. She was a landlady with a tenant who paid no rent, an employer of a worker who earned no wages, possessor of a life that represented everything her friend had lost. She was in control. Slowly, painstakingly, Moth plasterbordered the shed walls. Working four hours a day was as much as he could manage, finding every movement harder and darker. When darkness came going back to the shed, Moth lying on the floor, crippled in pain.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

That wasn't what it was, that wasn't how it is and that has been so twisted it's ridiculous. And he'd done stuff to improve the house he was living in because it wasn't what they wanted.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

They always suggested the refurbishments to the sort of granny cottage. They suggested all the refurbishments to that, yes.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

And it was perfectly habitable and fine beforehand.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

If you think Anne's making a big deal out of Rainer's depiction of her, it's worth saying that fans of the Salt Path have on more than one occasion commented online that whoever Polly is, she should be prosecuted for modern day slavery for her use of Moth and Rainer as free labor. Anne says the truth is she and her mother went out of their way for the couple, offering them stability, a rent free place to recover from the shock of losing their home and time to rebuild their lives and work out what they wanted to do next.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

None of us would see them homeless, homeless. And this is the whole thing. There was a huge difference between homeless, homeless living on a street somewhere, which must be horrific, and homeless within the fact that they haven't got their name on anything that is theirs that they pay a mortgage on or they pay a rent on. They always had the option of a proper roof over their head at every point.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Another central promise of the salt path. The idea that the couple were destitute doesn't seem to have been true. When they arrived in her place in the autumn of 2013, Anne says her Aunt Sally and Uncle Tim seemed grateful. They offered to help around the farm along with the rest of the family.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

You know, bearing in mind my husband's recovering from quite a severe brain injury.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

At the time, Anne's husband wasn't able to do much around the farm or anything to help raise their young children. So Anne was juggling a lot.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Mum and younger brother were working with us and around us, trying to hold the farm together. But salad help on the holiday lodges. If I asked her and I'd give her some cash now, it wasn't a lot, you know, 20, 30 quid for mornings works. It's all I got. But also these evenings were spent then sat in the very old second hand hot tub I had on our decking, drinking cups of tea with Sally in the hot tub, chatting and talking. That's the other side of it, you know, she sat in there drinking wine with us, looking at the stars, talking, you know, it wasn't anything that's been portrayed in the book.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

To the point where that Christmas, Ann says she went the extra mile for the entire family.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

We made an extra bedroom in a separate building specifically for their son to spend that time with them and then their daughter would stop with them in the house on the sofa.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

And so you had four individuals at certain points living there?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Yeah.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

She says there was definitely the sense that the couple were keeping a low profile and hiding out at her place.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I knew that there were still bailiffs looking for them because I was always worried they were going to turn up on the door.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Did they tell you that?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Yeah. I knew there was bailiffs and there was debt collectors still looking for them, but they were very open about the fact that they would never find them where they were.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Ann had kept her ear to the ground to see if she could find them any local work. And at some point she pulled in a favor with a guy who was running a shearing gang.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Sally went wool rapping. It's hard work, but she's also a farmer's daughter. She knows what hard work is, supposedly, and what wool wrapping is.

[Moth (Tim's nickname)]

Early on a May morning, Polly rushed into the shed. Found you some work, if you want it. Of course I wanted it. The shearing team need a wrapper. Do you think you can do it? I stood in the shower as green lanolin slime washed down the drain. I Ate a bowl of soup and was asleep by 9. I woke in the night, my arms pulsing in pain, got up and took a handful of ibuprofen and then went back to sleep, lying on my back with my arms propped on pillows until the alarm blasted out at 5:30.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Repeat in the salt path. Raina works the whole season, but Ann says the reality was quite different.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

She got a couple of weeks in, a few days of wrapping over those few weeks, needed the money for it. Then they disappeared off on a walk for however many weeks, which made me feel awful because I kind of put her forward and recommended her for the shearing gang.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

During the roughly 18 months that Sally and Tim lived with her, Anne says the couple went on walking holidays twice, once using the money Anne made from a few days shearing and again when Tim's pip, or disability payment came through. Tim's illness was always alluded to, says Anne. Remember, this was 2013. After Tim and Sally claim he received his diagnosis of CBD, the months slipped by. And then a year, around 18 months after they first came to stay, Ann found herself losing patience. Sally hadn't applied for bankruptcy and neither she nor Tim had found a job. And even more frustrating, they weren't even pulling their weight around the farm with the rest of the family.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

It all went sour because they refused to do what they said they were going to do from a financial point of view, but also from a just moving their life along and not just, you know, be left there with us, almost as my responsibility.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

At this point, it felt to Anne like this might be turning into a permanent situation, that she might have Sally and Tim and at times their kids or all living on her farm without them chipping in in any way.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

It wasn't just me and my children and my husband. It was an entire other family that I was financially responsible. And how do I square that away when, you know, I'm struggling to make as much income as I possibly can to keep a roof over mine and my kids?

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Heads in the salt path. Polly kicks Moth and Rainer out. While Moth's health is at its lowest in months, she makes it clear she wants the extra income from renting out the flat where they're staying. So they graciously leave and the couple head back for the coastal path to walk the second half. But I've seen contemporaneous emails from the time in which Anne's dad is warning her that she's being taken advantage of and that if she doesn't do something soon, she'll end up with Sally. And Tim living there forever.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I think it was dad who pretty much led the charge with that one, so to speak. My marriage at the time was also falling to pieces. With three children, My father could see that it was like you need to reduce some of the pressures, the stress and everything, and to still have Tim and Sally living there, seemingly with no intentions of ever truly helping, which, let's face it, was never going to happen. I was delusional. I had asked them to leave the farm for a multitude of reasons.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Did you say to them, you've got to go now?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I said it was time. They needed to look somewhere else? Yes.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

This was early 2015 and Sally Walker's mother, Anne's grandmother, had just died. So Anne and her mum sue recommended that the couple go and stay in the grandmother's empty house.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

This house is available, you know, they're not wanting to do anything with it until the spring. You've got a good six months here that you can have it at a very, very, very reduced rent. You can get benefit to help towards the rent. You know, you can get your feet under you. Come on, it's time to get from the farm.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

So Sally and Tim moved there until the summer of 2015, when they left to go on another walking holiday, which is when they met the Australian couple, the Parsons. Then towards the end of that year or early 2016, they moved to Polruan, Cornwall. This is at least 18 months after they claim they moved there in the Salt Path. After Anne had asked her aunt Sally to move on, their relationship soured a little.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

We'd stop communication at this point, so.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

They stopped talking to you or you.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Stopped talking to them both ways.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

The first Ann heard about the Salt Path was from one of her friends who'd read it and recognized her as the character Polly.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

A friend contacted me and said, do you realize that this is you? And that was mortifying. It's like, well, it's not me. And then I read some of it and it's like, I'm not reading any further because this isn't true. None of this is true. This is just making out. Like everybody has always battered them down and stabbed them in the back and hurt them and upset them and done wrong by them, when actually a lot of the time it was the other way.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne was hurt, but there didn't seem much she could do. Then around a year and a half ago, Anne's mum Sue was diagnosed with late stage cancer.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Anne.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne called her aunt to let her know, and Sally rushed to the hospital. The two sisters spent some time together and there seems to have been a reconciliation of sorts. But after Sally left the hospital, Anne says her mum spoke to her and reminded her about the letters.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Well, we'd always known about them. They'd always been there. They were always in the pink file in the one cupboard. She said, stanley's a pathological liar. My sister is a pathological liar. Keep them, you may need them down the line.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne says she instinctively knew her mum was right.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

How else do I prove that? How she's depicted herself is fiction and how she's depicted everybody and everything that's happened with her being perceived as a victim is quite the opposite.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

By the time I met her, Anne had already tried to alert the authorities and publishers to the confession letter and the thefts.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

I rang two or three police stations earlier this year when your first article came out and nobody's interested. You know Penguin, I got through the first time. I couldn't even get back to the first reception. But they weren't interested. Interested.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Penguin has said that no one has ever raised any concerns about Raina Wing with them. But it's possible that there wasn't really a mechanism for someone like Anne to do that. Sally and Tim had left their old life behind and if their families are to be believed, it was a life that Sally had made a mess of. She skirted close to being charged with serious crimes, not just once, but possibly three times. But why? What had led to that? Desperation Sally claims to have felt in her email. A desperation that trumped any responsibility she had towards her employer, her in laws and even her own mother. Anne's thought long and hard about all this and she believes that in the end theirs is a kind of love story.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

She idolized him. They were together from really young.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

She idolizes him.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Oh yeah.

[Mary (Relative of Anne's grandmother)]

Is that reciprocated?

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Do you think Tim loves her or needs her or what's the other half of the equation?

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Tim obviously dotes on her, but it's a very flamboyant returned love, almost over the top. But Sally is Tim's protector, so Tim can create the Persona he's created. What is that Persona? That Persona is the bandana wearing, turned up collar, brown boots, slightly worn jeans, hand on heart, turned up hair, attitude of, you know, bumbling through life and Sally facilitates that. You know, Sally can be on her knees totally and utterly financially and Tim will sit in corner the polishing his boots. But there's the other side of that which Tim must surely have been aware that there was money coming in from somewhere because surely he must have known over the hundred and something thousand pounds that there's money coming in and it's a symbiotic relationship that not necessarily brings out the worst in one another, but it's created them into the situation they're in now.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne has a theory that when their finances hit the fan, perhaps when they lost their investment, all Sally cared about was. What's the phrase she used in her email? Holding Tim out of it and trying to keep some of the real Tim alive.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

It's like he has no comprehension of money. He has no comprehension of the fact that it has to actually come from somewhere and there isn't always somebody with a safety net to make it right. It would be Sally trying to make the world right for the kids and Sally trying to make the world right for Tim, but making it right to a level and a standard in which Tim would want it, even if that meant putting herself out there and fundamentally doing illegal stuff.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne believes that the Salt Path was a final act by Sally to somehow reinvent their lives.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

What you have to understand is these books are just four books and a film of a long love letter of her love and devotion to Tim and how she wants to try and make the world right and rewrite history for him, because that makes it safe and makes it right and justifies everything that's happened or done.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Anne mentioned four books there because there was another book Rainer had written too, almost five years before, the Saltpath Trilogy. I haven't mentioned it here before, but this one was a fiction, a novel. She and Tim had published it themselves back in 2012 when they were still living in Wales. As far as I can tell, only around 250 copies were ever printed and I've been looking for it for months. I'd almost given up hope until I. I got a call from a freelance journalist who'd been helping me with the investigation. Hi, James.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

Hello.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Hi. How are you? I am good. I'm finally in Cornwall. I am hoping to speak to some people who rain are.

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[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

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[Chloe Hajimotheo]

No, you're kidding. You're kidding me. You're kidding me. You're kidding me.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

No, we found it.

[Chloe Hajimotheo]

The book James helped me find was sold as fiction. But what I was about to find out is that it's far closer to Raina Wynne's true story than any of her memoirs. Coming up in the final episode.

[Anne (Raina Wynne's niece)]

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[Chloe Hajimotheo]

Seems like she's created this fictional version.

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[Family Member (possibly Tim or close relative)]

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[Chloe Hajimotheo]

But I think publishing must stand for truth in order to survive. Raina Win responded to the Observer's investigation with the following statement, the Salt Path lays bare the physical and spiritual journey. Moth and I shared an experience that transformed us completely and altered the course of our lives. This is the true story of our journey. On her website, Rainer goes on to say, as with most people's lives, there will always be someone willing to criticize you. That's part of life. However, it is a great source of sadness that Tortoise Media's observer is now seeking to drive a wedge between our family members. The family have always been able to share their concerns privately, and they still can. I did not steal from family, as others can confirm, nor have I confessed to doing so, and I did not write the letter suggesting I did. We are accused of hiding behind pseudonyms. This is blatantly untrue. Like most, we use these nicknames alongside our legal names. The legal names we use on our bank records are utility bills, etc. Our friends and neighbors use Sal and Tim interchangeably with Ray and Moth. There is nothing hiding in our names. Thanks for listening to the Walkers. The real Salt Path it was reported by me, Chloe Hajimathe, with additional reporting by James Urquhart. The series producer was Matt Russell. Additional production by Amalia Sortland. Music supervision and sound design was by Carla Patella. The editor was Jasper Corbett.

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