Lee (11:57)

What? What, What?

Luke (11:58)

Alright, let me tell you about this feature. It's an interview with a native speaker and if you find it difficult, I'll give you a hand.

Stephen (12:06)

And then in the end, you completely

Luke (12:08)

understand every single word they said. Nice.

Stephen (12:13)

If you imagine somebody who's never heard of Doctor who before. Right. How can you explain who he really is? So what are the most important things that you should know about Doctor who if you've never heard of him before, basically?

Lee (12:28)

Well, Doctor who is a TV show that its main character, a character called the Doctor who is in fact an alien, has a machine that can travel through time and space, which means that he is able to go anywhere in any planet, any point of the future, the past, whenever.

Stephen (12:47)

Ok, what's the name of that machine?

Lee (12:50)

It's called the tardis.

Stephen (12:52)

And can you just describe the TARDIS that's like his spaceship?

Lee (12:56)

Yeah.

Stephen (12:56)

Can you describe the TARDIS for us? Because, you know, in Britain here, everybody knows the tardis, like almost everybody knows it. It's very familiar to us. It's almost like an icon of British culture. But what is the tardis? What does it look like?

Lee (13:13)

Well, the TARDIS looks like a 1960s police box. And in the days before mobile telephones and actually people having phones in their houses, these blue police boxes were like an old phone box. And they were also had a double. A double function in that if a criminal caught a policeman, they would be locked up inside this police box and they also had a phone. So they were a very common object in 1960s Britain, early 1960s Britain, when Doctor who started.

Stephen (13:38)

So it looks a bit like a red telephone box, but it's blue. Yeah. And it's something that the police used to make telephone calls and they could use it to keep criminals in. They could lock a criminal in there if they needed to.

Lee (13:50)

Exactly. And it was a very everyday object that everybody would have known.

Stephen (13:54)

Right, okay. So it's going to. Everybody knows about what a police box is.

Lee (13:59)

And of course, it's not really just a police box because it's actually bigger on the inside than the outside.

Stephen (14:05)

So Doctor who's spaceship is in the shape of a police box. It's called the tardis, but it's bigger than it. It's actually bigger on the inside than it is on the outside. Okay, right, fine. Actually, people these days often use the word TARDIS to mean something that's bigger on the inside than on the outside. Can you give me an example of, like, how we might use word TARDIS to mean something else?

Lee (14:30)

Is quite a famous example. When Tony Blair was Prime Minister and one of the last interviews he did before he left the post, he. I think it was with the Guardian. The interviewer asked him, what was 10 Downing street like?

Stephen (14:44)

That's the Prime Minister's house. Right.

Lee (14:46)

And he said. He said, oh, it's like the tardis. And he didn't need to say anything else, but everybody would know that. He means it looks small on the outside, but is much bigger on the inside.

Stephen (14:56)

Right, okay. I've heard people say that, like, a woman's handbag is like the TARDIS sometimes, because it looks like a small handbag, but you can actually keep lots and lots of things inside it.

Lee (15:07)

And such is the power of the program that even if you've never seen Doctor who in this country, you will know if somebody says it's like a tardis, you will know that it's bigger on the inside than the outside.

Stephen (15:17)

Right, okay. So that's what TARDIS means to everybody. Now, okay, what are the other important things that we need to know about Doctor who?

Lee (15:25)

Well, we need to know the fact that the program started in 1963, and that means that you get a very good representation of how British society evolves in a kind of televisual way. A record of the times, our changing attitudes to race, to women's lib, to even things like joining the Common Market in the early 70s.

Stephen (15:49)

What do you mean by Women's library?

Lee (15:52)

Well, the Doctor traditionally is always accompanied by a female companion. And this was specifically because the program's original remit was to entertain a family audience on a Saturday afternoon.

Stephen (16:04)

It's a family show.

Lee (16:05)

Yeah, it's very much a family show. One that was designed to catch the fathers who'd been watching an afternoon of sport on a Saturday with a family who watched, like, a pop music program. The afternoon app, it was designed to keep everybody watching.

Stephen (16:19)

Right.

Lee (16:20)

And of course, it was hugely successful when it started, so it achieved its aim.

Stephen (16:24)

Okay, so, okay, so basically, he always has a female companion. I think that Doctor who has also had, like, a robot companion as well.

Lee (16:34)

He has, he has. And, yeah, I mean, he has a robot companion in the late 70s, but he actually. People have thought that it was Because Star wars came out and C3PO and Doctor who. Actually, Doctor who was a year before Star Wars.

Luke (16:48)

Oh, really?

Stephen (16:49)

So before Star wars, everybody knows Star wars. They know about R2D2 and C3PO, but Dr. Who, before Star wars had K9. K9 was like a robot dog.

Lee (17:03)

Of course, the most important thing to remember is that when the show first started in 1963, the guy who was playing the Doctor was a very old guy. And after three years playing the role, it became very obvious that he was ill and he couldn't do it. And they were like, what are we gonna do? So they devised. Because we didn't know who this character. Character was or where he came from in 1966. They changed the actor, but made it a part of this personality. And that allows. Has allowed the program to continue to this day nearly 50 years later.

Stephen (17:32)

Okay, so this is another important thing about Doctor who is that you have to know that. How many. How many actors have played him now actually?

Lee (17:40)

Well, we're now on number 10, and number 11 starts filming next month.

Stephen (17:46)

Okay. And the interesting thing about Doctor who is that when Doctor who dies, he doesn't die. He doesn't die. Instead, he changes into a new form. So he becomes a new person, but it's still Doctor who. But he becomes a new person. And it's like a really important event when Doctor who, to be honest, it's a way for them to change the actor. Right? But in the show Doctor who, the one Doctor who dies and he changes into a new Doctor who, and it's always like a really big event for the show. Right? So it's really just a way for them to continue the show. It's a bit like James Bond in

Lee (18:29)

that sense, but I think it's more. More believable than James Bond because it's not supposed to be exactly the same character. So each Doctor with each actor has been allowed to have his own. His own way of playing the part,

Stephen (18:43)

so his own personality. So every time it's like a new, different kind of Doctor with a different personality.

Lee (18:49)

We know it's the same character behind it, but it's like a new person to get used to. And that keeps the show fresh. And it's kept it going all this time.

Stephen (18:56)

Okay, so There have been 10 doctors. The 11th doctor is coming very soon. Who do you think is the nation's favorite Doctor who so far?

Lee (19:05)

Well, for many years, everybody would have said immediately. Tom Baker, an actor who played the part from 1970. 1974 to 1981.

Stephen (19:14)

Tom Baker actually, the Tom Baker Doctor who is probably the most famous one until the most recent one.

Lee (19:20)

Exactly.

Stephen (19:20)

And he's famous for having a long scarf. And he was in the Simpsons. Yes, he was in the American. The American comedy.

Lee (19:28)

Also in Family Guy.

Stephen (19:29)

He's in Family Guy as well.

Lee (19:31)

Yeah, Until. Until Doctor. Because Doctor who was off the air. It stopped being made in 1989. Until 2005 when it came back.

Stephen (19:40)

Yeah.

Lee (19:41)

And until 2005, everybody would have. Tom Baker was the Doctor. But as you said in 2006, the current doctor, David Tennant, has just taken the program to new heights of success that it never, ever had in its original format.

Stephen (19:57)

So Doctor who, I mean, even before the latest Doctor. Doctor who was really, really big and really successful, but it's become even more successful with this new Doctor played by David Tennant, who's like a great actor, Shakespearean actor.

Lee (20:12)

He's just done Hamlet, of course, everybody, and they're actually filming the Hamlet for telev now because

Stephen (20:19)

it's a great thing because. Because David Tennant is so popular as Doctor who now he's playing Hamlet. It's going to be shown on tv. Millions of people in the UK are going to watch Hamlet, which is written by Shakespeare. So it's a really good way of.

Lee (20:31)

And. And that kind of fits in with the original kind of format of Doctor who. And that because it's able to go back in the past and meet people like Shakespeare, Agatha Christie, it inspires people to go out and learn more about, you know, the original brief of the show. It had to go to the future and then the past. So not only would it educate the viewers in a very 1960s BBC way, but it was also entertained and it would inspire people to go and learn about things.

Stephen (21:00)

That's what the BBC was all about. It was to educate, to entertain and to inform. Right. Okay. Actually, I think I need to clarify just a little bit more about Doctor who just to make sure that everybody understands who he is. Doctor who is a Time Lord, and that means he's a kind of alien. He's not a human. He's from another planet. But he came to Earth because he. He loves humans, right?

Lee (21:22)

Yeah. But he doesn't live on Earth. He's always just. Earth happens to be convenient because that's where they can film on the cheats.

Stephen (21:30)

So he doesn't live on Earth, but he comes to Earth quite a lot.

Lee (21:33)

But he has. He can go anywhere, you know, in time or space. Right. We have to remember that the Doctor, okay, he's the main character but what really, really made the program successful, and which we cannot not talk about are the Daleks.

Stephen (21:47)

Right, okay, so now we've talked about Doctor who spaceship, his companions canine. But another very important thing is to know the enemies that Doctor who has. And you just mentioned the Daleks. Right, so who are Doctor whose enemies? There's probably like three, maybe four most popular, most famous enemies.

Lee (22:08)

I mean, the Daleks. If you. Again, it's like the word tardis. If you say to somebody who's never seen Doctor who in their life, they will. If you say Dalek, they will know what you mean and may even do an impression of one by talking like this. Exactly. Everybody says, exterminate. So, I mean, Doctor who's first story, 1963, was a bit of a dull. It was trying. It was set in caveman times, it was very much introducing the characters. It was four weeks later, the introduction of these things called the Daleks, which just literally took the public by imagination, by storm.

Stephen (22:41)

Right.

Lee (22:41)

You can't work out why, if you see them, they look like a pepper pot walking around. Maybe it's the voice. There's been lots of theories as to why people, just why they kind of are so important to people, but whether they're resembling the Nazis, because remember, the war had finished less than 20 years before. You know that there's just something about Idali. And again, it's a proper cultural icon. So much so that in 1996 there was a survey to find out icons of British culture. The public wanted put on stamps. Stamps. And the first class stamp was the Dalek.

Stephen (23:17)

The Dalek. So. So there was a survey and the British public voted the Dalek as the number one icon to put on a stamp. That's even before the Queen. So they didn't want the Queen's head, they wanted a Dalek on there. So, just again, to clarify, a Dalek is. It's like a robot.

Lee (23:33)

It's a robot, but it's got a creature inside controlling it that hates anything that hates the them. Just like, what is it? But there's something about them, but there's a creature inside that controls them. And this creature wants to kill anything that is not like yourself. Now, I have to stress the program, although it sounds violent, again, it's for a family audience, so, you know, the kids were watching with their parents and although they were scary, it was a safe kind of fear, because you could hide in mum and hair's arms, you know, hide behind the sofa, which is very much, again, the traditional.

Stephen (24:11)

These are other important things. About Doctor who is that it's a family show. So, you know, most people in the UK grew up as children watching Doctor who on a Saturday night. I watched it with my family, I

Lee (24:25)

watched it with my mum, my mum watched it with her mum.

Stephen (24:27)

You know, everybody knows it. It's like something really important about British culture. One of the things that everybody says about Doctor who is that because it's quite scary, you end up watching it from behind the sofa. So you can't just sit in front of the TV and watch it. You have to hide behind the sofa and sort of like, you know, look over the top of the sofa to watch it because it's so scary.

Lee (24:51)

I see. You're lucky because when I was a child, our sofa was pushed against the wall, so I had to hide behind a cushion.

Stephen (24:59)

So you couldn't hide behind the sofa,

Lee (25:00)

which was very, very scary.

Stephen (25:02)

But that's another expression. It's another bit of vocabulary that everybody knows now. To hide behind sofa because of Doctor who. Yeah. Okay. So we talked about the Daleks. Now another thing about Doctor who is that it's kind of funny.

Lee (25:16)

It's got a very British, dry sense of humor. And partly because the program has never had much money spent on it. So rather than have lots of special effects, you have to have a very good script that's sharp, that's funny. The Doctor as a character never carries a weapon. He uses words, he uses his brains, he uses his intellect to get out of situations. So. And it has a. It has a kind of a humor that's very British, but also, as you say, very funny. Yeah, I like it doesn't take itself too serious.

Stephen (25:49)

Yeah, it's not a serious show. It's. It's very much a kind of camp, funny kind of show. And also one of the scary and exciting. That's right. It manages to mix like comedy and like satire and fashion or something, and serious science fiction as well. It's just great. What was I gonna say? Oh, yeah. One of the funny things about Doctor who is like the special effects.

Lee (26:17)

They were in the old series, which, as I said, started in 1963, ended in 1989. Famously, Doctor who never had any money.

Stephen (26:27)

Yeah.

Lee (26:28)

Which means that there was no money for special effects. But you have to remember the new series is different. It's got amazing, award winning special effects.

Stephen (26:37)

Yeah.

Lee (26:37)

But you have to remember that the BBC, as an institution in the 1960s and the 1970s was at the cutting edge, was at the front of this technology and all the stuff you see with green screen now it's because of the stuff that BBC were doing with Doctor who in 1969 when color television had just been invented.

Stephen (26:59)

Yeah.

Lee (26:59)

And you could you see that early experiment in yellow screen. It was there. But you know, this is, this is why we have these special effects.

Stephen (27:07)

So Doctor who innovated a lot of special effects.

Lee (27:10)

Exactly. People like Ridley Scott was a, was one of the designers in Doctor who.

Stephen (27:15)

Ridley Scott was now a very famous director who's who's directed films like Gladiator and Ridley Scott worked on Doctor who in the, in the 60s.

Luke (27:24)

Okay.

Stephen (27:25)

But I remember when I, when I was younger, when I watched Doctor who in the 80s, the special effects were quite funny because usually the monster was a kind of a man in a suit. It was basically a man in, in a suit. You know, in a bit. In a similar way to in Japan, the way Godzilla.

Lee (27:41)

Yeah.

Stephen (27:41)

Is so popular. Godzilla, when you watch the original movie, is obviously a man in a rubber suit.

Lee (27:46)

Well, I think the thing about 80s Doctor who is it's very 80s.

Stephen (27:50)

Yeah.

Lee (27:51)

You know, 70s Doctor who, six Doctor who was. And to a certain extent it's all very scary, but there's something about 80. Sorry. Which just looks over lit. The colors are really garish, you know, and it's just very 80s and very much a product of its time. And maybe in a way that 60s and 70s doctor who was very much ahead of its time.

Stephen (28:10)

Yeah. Okay. So now though, Doctor who is very, very, very popular. More popular than it was.

Lee (28:17)

More popular. It's the top rated drama. BBC, it gets the highest ratings for drama. The audience appreciation figures, which are a rating of how much the audience actually enjoys it, are always in the lower 90% for a drama show which is very popular, which is unheard of. It's always in the press because remember, newspapers have a 50 year history to draw back on and public interest in Doctor who at the moment has never ever been higher. And now with David Tennant, the arguably the most popular Doctor ever, about to change at Christmas and New Year, then, you know, the future once again looks great.

Stephen (28:58)

So, so basically the, the important thing about Doctor who, if you're a learner of English. Right. Is it important to know about Doctor who, do you think? Why is it important for learners of English to know about something like Doctor who?

Lee (29:12)

Wouldn't say it was important, but I would say it offers a very good insight into British culture, the British view of things, the British sense of humor. And also it's just a great way just to pass 50 minutes lapping up British culture.

Stephen (29:31)

It's just a great show. It's very fun, very entertaining.

Lee (29:33)

It's really easy to watch. You don't have to know everything about it. Each week there's somewhere new, you know,

Stephen (29:39)

it's one of those things, I guess, that if a learner of English listens to two English people talking to each other, often they don't understand it because the English people will talk about things that the learner of English doesn't understand.

Lee (29:54)

Exactly.

Stephen (29:55)

And one of those things might be Doctor who. It's kind of something that everybody knows about, something that people talk about quite a lot. For example, like mentioning the TARDIS or the Daleks.

Lee (30:05)

I mean, there was a great interview with when the Queen's Golden Jubilee, about five years ago, 60 years on throne. There's an interview with Prince Andrew and he said he had really happy memories of what he watching Doctor who with his mum and dad in the early seventies.

Stephen (30:19)

So even. Even the Royal Family watch Doctor.

Lee (30:22)

David Beckham gets the box sets for Christmas delivered to his house.

Stephen (30:25)

Yeah, really?

Lee (30:25)

Everybody watches it.

Stephen (30:26)

Okay, so there you go. Everybody is a fan of Doctor who. Is it possible to watch Doctor who in other countries?

Lee (30:32)

Yes, it's. It's the BBC's biggest export in terms of where it's sold to, and it's currently available in 42 different countries. You know, has a regular audience of 165 million viewers.

Stephen (30:47)

Wow.

Lee (30:47)

Yeah. Everywhere from Saudi Arabia, it's the number one export show in South Korea, really.

Stephen (30:53)

So a lot of sounding csi. Even more popular than csi. That's amazing. In South Korea. So if you're from South Korea and you're listening to this, then send me a. Send me a message. If you've seen Doctor who, tell me what you think of it. Now. I think that they did show Doctor who in Japan, but I heard that nobody understood it at all. They didn't. They didn't get it. Yeah. And I think.

Lee (31:16)

But they did. To be fair, they did show this back in the 1980s when they showed the last three years of the show. And quite frankly, unless you were a fan of Doctor who, it probably would have been the weirdest thing. Yeah, definitely. May have got a cult audience, but not, I think.

Stephen (31:35)

I think the late 80s. Doctor who was probably the worst. The worst. Doctor who is terrible.

Lee (31:40)

Right?

Stephen (31:41)

Really? Well, for me.

Lee (31:42)

80s. For me.

Stephen (31:43)

For me, after Peter Davidson, it was. It wasn't very interesting. I didn't like it myself. I stopped watching it at that point.

Lee (31:51)

Anyway, should we end on a positive note?

Stephen (31:52)

Yeah, yeah. Just. Just a thing about. In Japan, they even changed the name of Doctor who. They put it into katakana. That's Japanese characters. And in Japan, everybody knows Doctor who is Dokuta who. Dokuta who. Which is kind of funny. Okay, so. Right. So you're looking forward to the new Doctor?

Lee (32:14)

Yes. Again, you know, having been a fan of Doctor who Since I was 5 years old, I'm still very young. I love it when he changes. It's so exciting. You never know what's gonna happen.

Stephen (32:29)

Do you think this new guy is gonna be a good doctor?

Lee (32:32)

I'm sure. I'm sure. Because the guy who's now in charge of the show is one of the best writers of the last couple of years. So I'm sure it's in very safe hands. And, you know, I think it's gon great.

Stephen (32:43)

Okay, great. So if you're interested in Doctor who, you can buy the box sets, the DVDs on Amazon, you can probably watch some Doctor who clips on YouTube. So if you're interested, you can watch it. But otherwise, just. Just. I don't know what I'm gonna say now. I hope you enjoyed that conversation. Anyway, thank you very much, Lee.

Lee (33:09)

Bye. Thank you.

Stephen (33:09)

Oh, and one more thing.

Luke (33:10)

Why?

Stephen (33:10)

Why do you know so much about Doctor who?

Lee (33:13)

As I said, because I. Since I was 5 years old, and for me, it's just I did. I have a really strong emotional attachment to Doctor who. You know, he was always there. You know, it's because he was just such a constant character in my childhood and even in my adulthood.

Stephen (33:31)

You're also an expert, aren't you?

Lee (33:33)

Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm. You know, I have my limits. I'm having. My house is not full of toy Daleks of every description. There's just a couple.

Stephen (33:42)

Just a few. Just a few. Because you're not a total geek or anything?

Lee (33:46)

No, no, I'm not. I haven't got Dalek pajamas or underpants

Stephen (33:49)

which are available if you're wondering what to buy Lee for his birthday or Christmas.

Lee (33:54)

Underpants or pyjamas, please.

Stephen (33:55)

Dalek underpants or pyjamas? I think they're available on the Internet. Marks and Spencer on Marks and Spencer. Do they do them right? Well, I think on that note, I'll end the conversation. Thanks very much, Lee.

Lee (34:06)

Thank you very much.

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Right, so there it is, the interview with, with Lee, all about Dr. Who. I hope you found that interesting. Now, hopefully that interview kind of explained some of the things about the story, the mystery story, but if you missed those things, basically. Let me just kind of go through some of the things that happened in my mystery story and just explain why I included them. Okay, so first, the first thing is the goblins from space. The moon goblins. Well, I think that moon goblins, that's the kind of of thing that you would expect to find in a Doctor who story. You know, you know, Doctor who is sort of like science fiction and so you would expect to find characters or monsters like moon goblins. They're kind of, you know, slightly ridiculous, especially the idea that they're actually aliens that traveled from the moon. But then you find out actually they're robots. You know, it's kind of a typical Doctor who style monster. Yeah, the, the blue telephone box. Well, you've learned from the interview that that's what the Doctor travels around through time and space in. And it's, it's actually a police box called the tardis. That's Doctor. The Doctor who's sort of spaceship, the tardis. It looks like a blue police box. I'll put a photograph of that on the webpage so you can see what, what I'm talking about. There is actually a blue police box. I think it's on Baker street, surprisingly enough. I know Baker Street's famous for Sherlock Holmes, but if you come out of the underground station at Baker street in London, I think there is actually a model telephone box on the street and lots of people have their photographs taken in front of the telephone box. Box because they love Doctor who. So that's the telephone box. The strange sound that you heard in the first story, which sounded a bit like this. Well, that's just the noise that the TARDIS makes when it's landing and taking off. It's a very kind of. What's the word? Very memorable noise. You know, it's a noise that really reminds you of the TV show and kind of reminds you of childhood. Very mysterious noise and almost frightening, kind of slightly frightening sound. It was the BBC who produced that sound effect back in the 1960s. One of the really sort of unique things that the BBC did at that time was to do lots of. They made lots of innovations in terms of the sound effects and the visual effects in Doctor who. And so that sound is just the sound of the tardis. And everyone knows that sound. People who know Doctor, who know that sound. In the story, the Doctor pointed something at the moon goblin in the water, and the moon goblin escaped, or ran away and jumped back into the water and escaped. Now, the Doctor doesn't really carry a weapon, but he does carry something called the sonic screwdriver. Now, a screwdriver is a tool which you use to. Well, to put screws into a wall, you know, when you're making. Making some shelves. A screwdriver is a tool that you. You use to twist. Twist with your hand and twists screws into the wall or into wood. And the Doctor has something called a sonic screwdriver, which is some kind of, I don't know, some kind of electric screwdriver which kind of does everything. He can use it to control any electronic device. So he can use it to, for example, control a computer, or he can use it to open an electronic lock. Now, the Doctor managed to use the sonic screwdriver on the moon goblin because actually, moon goblins are robots, right? So he uses the sonic screwdriver to control the robots. Something like that.

Stephen (39:44)

I don't really know.

Luke (39:45)

I just made it up, you know, and obviously, the tickets, the Michael Jackson's, Michael Jackson's son, Princess Michael ii, there's a ticket in the story from that concert in the future. Well, obviously, that just means that the Doctor, because he can travel through time, he, you know, he went to see Michael Jackson's concert in the future and he brought the ticket back and he must have just dropped it on the ground when he saved me from the moon goblins. So that's it. That's just a chance for me to explain some of the content in the mystery story. I hope it's not an Anticlimax. An anti climax basically is something where, for example, you expect a lot. So the expectation is built up and up and up. And then finally when you. When you get the answer, it's a bit disappointing. So I hope that this isn't an anti climax for you. I hope not. You never know, I might get the inspiration to write part three of the mystery story. It's just a matter of time and an energy, really. But yeah, you might just have to look forward to that. But if you can't wait for that, then what I recommend is that you actually find some Doctor who to watch for yourselves. I'm sure that you'll enjoy it if you're listening to this podcast. You know, if you're still listening after 38 minutes, then you're probably an interesting enough person and a patient enough person to be able to watch Doctor who in English and actually enjoy it. So I highly recommend it. You can find Doctor who on Amazon or in most shops on the Internet. Buy the DVDs and sit down and watch them and use the subtitles, do whatever you can to help you understand the English, but just watch it and enjoy it. And I think if you just watch something and enjoy it in English, that will naturally help you to learn, you know, it'll naturally help you to develop listening skills and to learn vocabulary and learn about the culture of the language as well. Okay. Okay, that's it then. From this episode. Don't forget to visit the webpage, which is becoming very, very difficult to read. Anyway, it's teacherluke.podomatic.com I know. I realize that that web page is becoming very full of stuff, and I'm working to fix that problem that will be fixed eventually. Okay, so that's it then. That's it from me. Yep. Have a very nice day, or have a very nice morning, or very nice evening, whatever time of day it is. And look forward to the next podcast, which should be coming up really, really soon. That's it. Bye bye. Bye, bye, bye, bye. Thanks for listening to another episode of Luke's English podcast. For more information, visit teacher luke.podomatic.com.

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I'm Hayden, producer of the Fantasy Fangirls podcast and your resident lover of all things Sanderson.

Luke (43:16)

And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball, but you can call me the Smash Daddy.

Hayden (43:20)

And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Steven here has not read Mistborn before.

Luke (43:29)

That's right. Hei hei. So each week you'll get my unfiltered raw reactions to every single chapter.

Hayden (43:34)

And along the way we'll do character deep dives, magic explainers, and Steven will even try to guess what's next. Spoiler alert. He'll be wrong.

Luke (43:41)

News flash. I'm never wrong. Episodes come out every Wednesday, and you can find fantasy fanfellas wherever you get your podcasts.

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