Alcatraz: Dark Secrets of the Infamous Prison | Feb 27, 2025

Summary

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Macrodosing: Alcatraz — Dark Secrets of the Infamous Prison

Episode aired February 27, 2025

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Overview

This episode of Macrodosing, hosted by Arian Foster, PFT Commenter, along with regulars Big T, Mac, and Eric, celebrates the show’s "birthday" (four years running) and its 200th topical episode. The main focus is a deep, winding, and often irreverent dive into the infamous Alcatraz prison: its dark history, famous inmates, myths about escapes, the lived prison experience, and pop culture representations. The crew also reflects on favorite podcast moments, debates everything from kickball rules to alligator attacks, and brings their signature blend of humor, tangents, and genuine curiosity.

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Episode Highlights & Structure

1. The Macrodosing Birthday & Banter

• Celebration of Milestones: The hosts mark both four years of the show and their 200th episode. The tone is loose and reflective.
  • [02:11] Big T: “We have completed four revolutions around the sun as a podcast. It’s our official birthday...”
• Behind-the-Scenes Reflections: Stories about the show's origins, how expectations were shaped, and why it’s lasted.
  • [03:42] Big T: “I just don’t go into things assuming they’re going to fail…You have to define what success even means…”

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2. Viral Storytime: The Hypothetical Affair

• Humorous Tangent: The crew riff on a “totally made-up story” about a college girl who sleeps with her boyfriend’s dad, deconstructing the social chaos that would ensue (inspired by a trending real-life rumor, not directly named).
  • [06:05] Big T: “Humans are horny. It is what it is. Some people can control that. Some people cannot.”
  • Discussion explores lines of family loyalty, shame, betrayal, and the impossibility of returning to “normal” afterward.
  • [08:07] Big T: “I’m a forgiving human being…That’s a character flaw that you cannot come back from…”
• Philosophizing on Love vs. Lust: Nuanced debate on whether “love” changes the calculus of betrayals.
  • [15:29] Big T: “[If they’re] in love love…I could understand that...Still wrong.”
• Humor and Therapy: Sarcastic calls for therapy, imaginative suggestions for the woman’s “next steps” (changing schools, disappearing).
  • [13:13] Big T: “You have to disappear for a while…just get away. It’s not good, man.”

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3. Jersey Numbers Game (Sports Tangent)

(Skip to [~61:03] for Alcatraz segment)

• Who Can Name Athletes by Numbers? Mac and Big T challenge themselves to name a famous player for every jersey number from 0-99 (all sports).
  • [21:08] Mac: “Gilbert Arenas.”
  • [23:47] Mac: “Number 12. Gotta be Tom Brady.”
• Interactive & Nostalgic: Banter includes deep pulls, debates (“good” and “bad” numbers), and sports trivia.
• Lifelines and Hints: They use “phone-a-friend” options, hints, and crowd engagement.
  • [35:59] Big T: “What number was John Smoltz?”
  • [39:36] Mac: “We can come back to 38…let’s use a lifeline.”
• Meta-Reflection: Hosts apologize for the segment’s length, frame it as an interactive/crowdsourced nostalgia session.
  • [56:37] Mac: “Put this at the beginning real quick: If you don’t want to listen to 30 minutes of naming players numbers…skip forward half an hour…”

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4. Looking Back: Favorite Memories

• Podcast Reflections: Team recalls their favorite on-pod moments, trips, interviews, and guests—Stone Cold, John Taffer, Adam Richman, and the George Santos episode get special mentions.
  • [58:50] Mac: "Stone Cold was super cool...one of my favorite guests."
  • [59:17] Big T: "When Professor Brian Cox came on to talk about physics, I loved that episode."
• Meaningful Interactions: Big T discusses how celebrity deaths (Kobe Bryant) forced reflection on mortality and fandom.
  • [87:01] Big T: “It’s like you witnessing your own mortality…seeing him die was like a part of my childhood die.”

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[61:03] Main Event: Alcatraz

a) Alcatraz on Film

• Cultural Representations: Discussion opens with a debate about the best movies about Alcatraz and famous prison films.
  • [61:17] Aryan: “What’s the best movie about Alcatraz? Let’s start there.”
  • Classics noted: Escape from Alcatraz, Birdman of Alcatraz, The Rock (with enthusiastic endorsements), and commentary on Nicholas Cage’s underrated genius.
  • [64:07] Aryan: “It’s one of the best movies ever…Nick Cage has to use Sean Connery…”
  • Memorable quote (Sean Connery in The Rock):
    • [65:08] “Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and f*** the prom queen.”

b) The Realities of the Prison — History & Myths

• Escape Myths & Realities:

  • [66:14] “No one has ever actually escaped from Alcatraz…official report says there was never a successful escape, but…”
  • Famous 1962 attempt (Frank Morris, John/Clarence Anglin): described efforts, dummy heads, possible drownings, and rumors of survival.
  • [76:18] Mac: “A few weeks later…a car robbery…a group of men that sounded very much like them…”

• Physical Challenges:

  • The Bay’s freezing, shark-infested waters, distance to shore, and “special” prison security.
  • [67:17] Aryan: “The waters outside Alcatraz—shark infested. That’s the worst kind of water.”
  • [67:18] Aryan: “You probably would drown, probably wouldn’t get eaten by the shark…”

• Misconceptions & Real Inmates:

  • Not just “America’s worst” criminals: some were low-level offenders (tax evasion, federal crimes), others notorious (Al Capone, Birdman).
  • [77:56] Aryan: "Birdman of Alcatraz, surprisingly, did not have any birds...He wrote two books about canaries and their diseases…"
  • [93:51] Aryan: "Al Capone was one of the inmates...He played banjo in their prison band, the Rock Islanders."

• Prison Life:

  • Daily Regimen: Wake up early, clean cell, 20 minutes to eat, work detail on self-sustaining island.
  • Rules: No newspapers or radios, censored mail (rewritten—not original handwriting), enforced silence (no talking in cell block or dining hall).
  • [89:29] Aryan: "They instituted quiet rules...prisoners could not talk to one another..."
  • Single Cells: No cellmates—prized for privacy/security.
  • [90:21] Aryan: “I feel like having your own cell would rock in prison.”
  • Food: Surprisingly good by prison standards—real meat, hot meals (grilled sausages, steak, etc.), hot showers (meant to discourage acclimation for escape).
  • [110:45] Aryan: "The cuisine was the best in the federal prison system..."
  • [112:15] Aryan: "They had hot showers...so they wouldn’t be as tempted to swim for it..."

c) Memorable Stories & Wild Details

• The Battle of Alcatraz [98:23]:

  • 1942: Prisoners armed themselves, took guards hostage, and held a two-day standoff before being killed or surrendering. The tale includes sneaking through bars, grabbing guns, demanding a boat for escape, and the military using grenades to retake the building.
  • [99:12] Aryan: "Bernard Coy… began deliberately losing weight so that he could squeeze through the bars…"

• Queer Persecution & Social History [107:14]:

  • Early 20th-century prosecutions of gay men (including being sent to Alcatraz for homosexual activity, even in San Francisco).
  • [109:45] Aryan: “The sentences range from 2 to 10 years for being gay in San Francisco. Pretty crazy…”

• Native American Occupation of Alcatraz [118:11]:

  • In 1969, Native American activists occupied the island for almost two years to claim treaty rights, leading to a semi-utopian protest community (ultimately removed by federal marshals).
  • [119:03] Aryan: “They offered to purchase the island for $24 in glass beads and red cloth…”

• Legendary Nicknames:

  • Debate on the merits of “Machine Gun Kelly” as a nickname, with a segue into the ignominious backstory of a battle rapper called Tech 9.
  • [95:00] Big T: “I didn’t know there was an original Machine Gun Kelly…”

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5. Alcatraz as a “Summer Camp?” (Humor)

• Comparison to Summer Camp:

  • Between the food, music, single cells, and softball, hosts joke about Alcatraz as “extended summer camp”—except for the surrounding violent criminals and sharks.
  • [113:35] Mac: "Besides the fact that you’re around violent criminals, Alcatraz just seems like extended summer camp, doesn’t it?"

• Kickball Tangent:

  • Extended reminiscence on schoolyard kickball, “no head shots” rules, and plans to bring kickball to Barstool summer camp.
  • [115:10] Aryan: "What were your rules at throwing at someone's head?"
  • [117:35] Mac: "We gotta play kickball..."

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• On Betrayal:
  • [08:07] Big T: “Nah, that would—I’m a forgiving human being...That’s a character flaw that you cannot come back from.”
• Philosophical:
  • [16:56] Eric: “But also, in this story, it’s your—again, in the story, it’s your son’s crazy girlfriend.”
• On Escape Attempts:
  • [66:14] Aryan: “No one has ever actually escaped from Alcatraz. They don’t think.”
• On Odd Prison Rules:
  • [89:50] Aryan: “During the 1930s...prisoners could not talk to one another in the cell block or in the dining hall.”
• On Food & Comfort:
  • [110:45] Aryan: “The cuisine was the best in the federal prison system. They had grilled sausages, swiss steak, spare ribs...”
• On Privilege:
  • [71:33] Aryan: “Check your privilege too, Arian. Most of the times you see an alligator, it’s on a golf course...”
• On Summer Camp Vibe:
  • [113:35] Mac: “Alcatraz just seems like extended summer camp, doesn’t it? Yeah. Good food. You got the band going.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Macrodosing birthday & intro banter: 02:08 – 05:00
• “Made-up” viral scandal discussion: 05:11 – 19:40
• Jersey Numbers Game: 20:24 – 56:53
• Looking Back/Favorite Memories: 56:54 – 61:03
• Alcatraz Deep Dive: 61:03 – 120:39
• Postscript/Sponsorship/Banter: 120:40 – end

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Closing Thoughts

The episode captures everything that defines Macrodosing: digressive curiosity, sports-nerd energy, social satire, history, and authentic camaraderie. The Alcatraz portion is informative yet full of sly commentary—balancing factual deep-dives (the myth of the unescapable island, notorious inmates, the true cost of prison operations) with signature, irreverent humor ("Alcatraz as a vibe-y summer camp") and contextual musings on justice, punishment, and modern myths.

Listeners who enjoy sports trivia, wild historical anecdotes, and the unpredictable mix of Barstool’s irreverent humor and genuine research will find this a classic episode.

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Transcript

[Aryan]

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[Big T]

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[Mac]

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[Big T]

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[Aryan]

The sentences range from 2 to 10 years for being gay in San Francisco. Pretty crazy. You know what this will cure you.

[Big T]

You.

[Aryan]

You like. You like sleeping with other dudes? How are you going to like prison buddy? You think of that one. Not so funny now, is it?

[Big T]

They didn't think that one.

[Aryan]

They didn't think that one through.

[Mac]

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[Aryan]

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[Mac]

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[Aryan]

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[Big T]

Let's drive Macro Doans. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. It is our fourth year in business. Happy birthday. It's a no.

[Mac]

We've done four years. It's now our fifth year.

[Eric]

We're going into our fifth year.

[Big T]

Well, yeah. Okay. Okay. So we have completed four revolutions around the sun as a podcast. It is our official birthday. Everybody clap it up for that. That's dope. That's amazing.

[Mac]

Wait, so what day was actual first episode?

[Eric]

I believe it. We might have missed it by a day or two just with recording schedule, but I believe it was. Let's see, I have it right here. February 23rd. It says 23rd or 24th.

[Mac]

Oh, so it was a few days ago.

[Eric]

It was a few days ago. But this is our also 200th episode.

[Big T]

200.

[Eric]

So we're combining it.

[Big T]

200Th topical episode. Yes, 200 topical episode. Four year birthday. It's an amazing day to be a Macadosian. Shout out to y'. All. Shout out to us. Shout out to everybody involved. Shout out to everybody not involved. You know what I'm saying? It's a good day to be on earth.

[Mac]

Did you think this would go four years?

[Big T]

I try to not go into things with any kind of expectations, brother. Like, I, I don't go into relationships with expectations. I don't go into friendships with expectations. So I, I was like, we'll see where it goes. I didn't know where it was gonna go. I don't know how long it was gonna go. I know you didn't.

[Mac]

You know, I, no, I, I, I had no idea. I was just curious from your perspective because, like, I work here. Like, if this show didn't work, I would have gone and done something else. But, like, you kind of work here, but like, if, like, this was your thing. So, like, well, not.

[Big T]

So I just don't go into things assuming they're going to fail. Right? Like, and like, what, what does the success even mean? Right? So you have to like, define your, your boundaries with that. I've noticed in either business or personal things in general. So I, I went in thinking it was good. It was like, experimental because I had a, I had a really successful podcast before this that I did solo, that I just wasn't into doing all the back end work and then transitioning to this. Me and Eric didn't really have any prior public meeting other than him being on mine. I think I went on theirs. And so it was, it was like, I don't know, we'll see how it goes. And I think, I think it's, I think it's done well, it's aged well. I think it's a nice niche thing that I've, that I've grown to really enjoy doing and experience. So it, it's dope, man. You know, keep it, keep it moving, keep it going. Eric's out of the office for half of the episode today. He'll be joining us for the Alcatraz talk, which is really dope episode. I think it was a little more interesting than I thought it was going to be. So we're looking forward to that. But we got a lot to get to today because we were, we were, we were double dutching to see if we wanted to talk about this. I said fucking let it fly, but fuck it, here goes. Apparently and allegedly.

[Mac]

Let's, let's more allegedly.

[Big T]

More allegedly. Apparently.

[Mac]

Or let's just say, let's say we made up. Let's just make up a story right now about a. Let's just like, if I were to, if I were to tell you a bedtime story. Aryan, this is completely just based on no real people or events. What if there was a girl, let's say she's in college, okay, who had a boyfriend, as one does and let's just. I'm trying to make this story as wild as possible. Let's say she had sex with her boyfriend's dad. Okay, discuss again. Again, this story is based on no real people or events.

[Big T]

It's. It's. It's right in line with what I always be saying. People be right, wrong, or different. Humans are horny. It is what it is. Some people can control that. Some people cannot. Some people have lapses. Some people have mis. Mis. You know, they misjudged things. I think it's. If this was to happen, I think it's horrible for. On many fronts. Mainly, I feel bad for. For the kid. I feel bad for the dude because you lose the girl, right? Whatever. Like, they come and go. It is what it is. And it goes for females as well. Like dudes come and go. It is what it is. You know, live. Live and let love. But you lost a tremendous amount of safety, security and love and respect for your father. Maybe it wasn't there to begin with. I don't know. Depending on the store. But let's say it was like dogs, like you just lost all. Like that is you caused irreparable damage to your relationship with your son. Cause you was horny. Now let's say they met. Wait, hold on. Is she. She's in college. Okay, so she's legal. Let's say they fall like, madly in love and it's some weird. Like that. It's a little more justifiable. Still abhorrent. But from his end, like, love is love. That's me being very kind. Odds are it wasn't. Odds are it wasn't. Odds are he was your horny and she just wanted to dip into the pool of the old man pool. Which happens. It happens a lot. You know, I just. It's. It's very sad for Buddy, man. I feel. I feel really bad for him, dog. Cause he kind of. And. And his. And his wife too, you know? Ah, man, it's tough. Yeah.

[Mac]

I don't know that you can ever like, go to a baseball game with your dad again.

[Big T]

Nah, nah, that would. I'm a forgiving human being. I've forgiven my family members for a lot that. Nah, that's. That's. That's a character flaw that, like, you cannot come back from. Cause to even think about entertaining that. It says a lot about your character. Right. Like, it's just off limits, dog. Like, family members, significant others is off limits. I don't know. Like, anytime my brother brought a shorty around, she could be Beautiful. Like, I would just see her. That's a beautiful woman. But never would I ever even think about crossing that line, ever. Regardless of the situation. Broke up, not broke up together is even the worst you could do. But even it just once they engage, that part of you needs to shut off. I don't. I don't get it. You could. You could recognize somebody as a beautiful human being. Like. Like, you know, I think some of my homeboys. Handsome man, right? Not gay, beautiful woman, not interested. You know, like, it's. It's very. I don't know, it's very easy to shut off, in my opinion. Sometimes. Sometimes. But yeah, man. Unfortunate situation.

[Mac]

Crazy story that we just made up right now.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah, I. I love how y' all let me take the lead on it. Like it was me that wanted to talk about it, where y' all was.

[Mac]

You're the one. It was your. It's your call. I don't. We can cut it. I don't. I don't care. No, no, we ain't cut.

[Big T]

I just think it's funny, cuz Team Chatty Patty is the one that. That brought this story to my attention. This is.

[Mac]

This is the biggest story on Twitter right now. I texted this morning. Or that I made up. I texted this morning. Should we talk about it? If we're. Should we talk about it? Eric said no, you sent a meme of Steve Harvey. And sadly. And I was like, if you want to. If you want to do it, you can do it, but this is on you. You're making the call.

[Big T]

I feel like Maddie and Mac in the back sitting on their hands right now, and I want. Go ahead, man. Let loose.

[Eric]

Yeah, I'm not commentating. I think it's a very funny made up story. I think it's funny. No, actually, I take it. Well, if it's made up, it's funny.

[Mac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

Much love to all involved.

[Mac]

Love and peace.

[Eric]

Besides sending love and. Sending love and light. Yeah. And pain amongst those who are victims, maybe, or no, no, no, no, no.

[Mac]

Wow.

[Eric]

Sorry. Pain amongst those who are not victims.

[Big T]

Sending love and light to the perpetrators.

[Mac]

And perpetrators.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Eric]

No, back it up, back it up, back it up. Love and light to those who are hurt in this situation. And pain and suffering to those who were not right in this situation. Correct. Maybe try therapy. Yeah, maybe try therapy.

[Big T]

Therapy is gonna be need for all involved. For all involved.

[Eric]

Yes. You know, if this was. If this was real and if. I mean, since it's fake, they probably have. Like in this story, imagine they have, like, great insurance and they can get a great therapist.

[Big T]

Looks like that could be the case. Yeah. So I. In the story, I looked at the alleged. I mean, hypothetically, I looked at the alleged photos of the dad. I thought Pops was gonna be like, on some, you know, suave old school. Like, hey, Pops is a handsome dude. You know what I'm saying? Like, what's George Clooney type vibes. Right. Like, I thought he was gonna be. Not the case.

[Eric]

But this is us just also, like painting a picture in the head.

[Big T]

Yeah. If you was to look at those pictures and see what was happening. And honestly, I saw a picture of my man's wife, too. I don't know. I don't know what she doing either. But hey, you know, he probably. He probably has a mouthpiece on him, dog. Allegedly, that is out of this world. Because I said. Or he just rich. Either one. I see ugly dudes. That's rich. That can. That can. That can bag top tier. I see ugly dudes. That's not rich. But the game is so smooth. So it could be either one. It could be other one. But shout out to all involved and.

[Eric]

It'D be crazy if it was real.

[Big T]

Yeah. It'd be wild. And if it's, you know, if it's possible, hypothetically to. To. To get some hypothetical therapists to hypothetically fix some of this or help. It's going. It's going to be a long journey evolved for everybody. So, you know, my heart goes out to them. Elon salute.

[Eric]

If you are. If you are. Big T, take me through. Your storytelling abilities are strong and mighty. If you're the girl in this situation, where do you go from here?

[Mac]

You'd have to transfer schools first and foremost.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mac]

And then, like, just hope that. I mean, you. So in my hypothetical, this girl went to a school in the South. Yep. You need to.

[Big T]

You.

[Mac]

She would need to transfer to, like, Big Ten. No, no, no. Big. No big schools division you would need to go to.

[Eric]

She's going to the nascac.

[Mac]

Maybe like, I don't know, Binghamton or something. Like, just go far away.

[Eric]

Ithaca. Might I suggest.

[Mac]

Yeah. Oh, no. They're online at ITT Tech. They know. Is that still around?

[Big T]

I have no. I haven't even heard that in 10 years. I don't know where that.

[Mac]

I think University of Phoenix still is.

[Eric]

And I know what ITT Tech is.

[Mac]

But Mackenzie, it was a for profit shitty online college that would have these TV commercials and I mean, became ingrained in the public consciousness. So I guess that they did their job.

[Big T]

But.

[Mac]

If you. It's a. It's a not real college. Unless you went there, in which case it's great.

[Big T]

Yeah, I have.

[Eric]

Maybe she can take some online classes somewhere.

[Big T]

You have to disappear for a while. For sure. You have to. You have to. You have to. You have to get away. It's not good. It's not good, man. How.

[Mac]

How late into the semester would it have to be for you to just cut your losses and. Not now?

[Big T]

You got to finish.

[Mac]

You got to finish because you're still only, like, what, a third of the way?

[Big T]

You gotta finish. You can't let people dictate your life to that extent. You went to college. Go to college. I understand, you know, transferring, because, like, that's a lot of mess. But finish the semester out. You don't want to go to autumn classes for no reason, just because you was horny. Was it a couple times in your story?

[Mac]

I. I didn't get that far because.

[Big T]

What? I don't know, man. We got drunk and. That was stupid. A couple times. That was a. That was a fling. That was a thing. Y' all had a thing.

[Mac]

And which is worse?

[Big T]

The fling, because.

[Mac]

But like you said, at some point you. You cross through to the other side where it's like. Well, maybe then it's not as bad.

[Big T]

No. No, because you can have a sexual. Like, sometimes forbidden fruit tastes sweetest. Big T. You know what I mean?

[Mac]

You're saying. You're saying they would have to, like, get married.

[Big T]

I'm saying if they in love. Love. Like, I, as a human being, just. Me as a human being, I could understand that. Not saying I agree with it. I'm just saying I can understand that love is a powerful emotion. Like, if you've ever been in love before, when you. When your body is touching another human's body and you feel like it connected in this beautiful way, it's just time stops and nothing else matters. Like, if they was experiencing that, I can understand, like, as a human. Still wrong.

[Mac]

But I would guess that's not what happened.

[Big T]

I'm just giving a hypothetical benefit of the doubt. That's all I'm doing. If that's not the case. And they were just like, yo, you my dad's. I mean, you my boyfriend's dad. And this is. This turns me on. You got a fetish, like, type, and he has, like, a fetish for younger Jones. And they. And they. And they scratching that ish together. That is. That's. That's. That's ridiculous. That's. That's That's a. That's bad. That's really bad in my opinion, because then you consciously making a decision to continuously hurt. Continuously hurt. The love thing. Hey, listen, that's a powerful emotion. The one night drunk thing. All right, bro, I fucked up. It is what it is. The continual fling. Nah, dog, like, you dead ass. Wrong. All of it's wrong, but there are varying degrees. I believe in my humble opinion, I could be wrong, but this is my humble opinion.

[Eric]

But also in this story, it's your. And again in the story, it's your son's crazy girlfriend.

[Big T]

Crazy work.

[Eric]

Like, it's not like some girl you met at a.

[Big T]

Like, it's fightable. Like, let's say this old man has a brother. His brother need to whoop his ass, brother. The sun need to whoop his ass thousand percent. Like, I need my. Shoot me my 30, give me my fair one, catch this real quick fade. And then you go on about your little old man business. Like has has to happen. Like, I got two baby boys and my wildest dreams. Would I never do no crazy shit like this, dog? Fuck no. Cause like, I'd be looking at like, yo, you, you. You would be family. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would never look at it like a lick to try to hit. That's crazy, bro.

[Eric]

Yeah, that's actually a good point.

[Big T]

It's crazy.

[Eric]

That is family at that point.

[Big T]

Yeah. And then, and then they. And then they trusting you to bring them. Like, he trusting you to bring them around. Like your family's supposed to be a safe place, right? I've. I've always grew up and, and wanted to cultivate a home where like, yo, the house is your safe space as my children, right? You can be honest here. You can be vulnerable here. You're. You're not like, you know, we're gonna be stern. You got boundaries, but, you know, like, not a lot of judgment. You know, I'm gonna teach you how to grow here. We're gonna build with you and to. To break the sanctity of that because you horny is wild, dog. It's wild. We used to have a rule as dudes. I don't know if you ever did this big T. But if you think you about to make a bad decision. And I've made bad decisions, don't get me wrong. But I've. I've made a lot of good decisions because of this. Think about to make a bad decision decision. Rub one out if you're still feeling like doing it.

[Mac]

That's all You, I think all men have, have intuitively come to that.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Realization.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rub one out if you still feel like doing it. That's. That, that's something you really want to do if, if you, if you fit. If you finish up and you like. Yeah. No, that was stupid. I was dumb. Good on you. You know, it's a, it's a self regulations, you know, checks and balances internally. Beautiful system we have sometimes.

[Mac]

Yeah. An odd bedtime story to, to concoct, I admit, but just, you know.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Well, gets the people talking.

[Big T]

That is the, that is the tea with big chai or the chai with big tea. Either one. That could be a little, A little segment.

[Mac]

Man, I like it that now that you, you may have just stumbled upon something. Maybe an unpack with Jack Mac crossover.

[Eric]

Tea with Big T.

[Mac]

Or the. Yeah, yeah, there's something there. Yeah, there's something there.

[Eric]

There's something there.

[Big T]

Yeah. We'll, we'll cook on it. What else, what else is in the news? That's, that was a, that was a bombshell. I wanted to do this. I don't, we don't got to do it now, but I wanted to see if we could.

[Mac]

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[Big T]

I want to see if me and you could count down from 99 to 0 naming players jersey numbers.

[Mac]

If you don't want to listen to 30 minutes of naming players numbers, which you should skip forward half an hour or so and then we'll get into the topic with PFT. From any sport.

[Big T]

Any sport. 99 to 0 and Boo Boo.

[Mac]

All right, let's start. I mean, see, like 40s, 50s. It's going to get tough.

[Big T]

It's not easy. It's not going to be easy.

[Mac]

Let's start at zero.

[Big T]

Are you going to go up?

[Mac]

Yes. Because I think the first 30 is.

[Big T]

You want to, you want to warm up? You want to get on the roll?

[Mac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

All right. Okay.

[Mac]

All right, all right. Gilbert Arenas.

[Big T]

Okay. I was going to go Westbrook, but I like it. Okay. Number one. I'm. Let's go, Cam Newton.

[Mac]

Go for it.

[Big T]

All right, all right.

[Mac]

Number two, do you want to go? Let's go. Matt Ryan. I was going to go Cam Newton again, but that feels like I was.

[Big T]

Going to go Dion at Florida State, but let's. I'm with you.

[Mac]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

Number three, Allen Iverson. Got to go out.

[Mac]

Love that. Love that.

[Big T]

Number four.

[Mac]

First one that came to my mind is kind of problematic.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, was going to do some Mississippi government fun things.

[Mac]

Oh, no, actually, four might be a problematic number. I was going to go Deshawn.

[Big T]

Oh, damn.

[Eric]

Technically, a player that has that number.

[Mac]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Is that number cursed? Is that. Hold on. Can we get a. Can we get a good four?

[Mac]

I think Armani Moore was number four. He played basketball at Tennessee, but he's not. He's not very well known. Who else is four?

[Eric]

Let me think if I have another Browns quarterback I think might be Jack Prescott.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mac]

Let's go, Dak.

[Big T]

I'm okay with that. All right, five immediately comes to Donovan.

[Mac]

Okay. Number six, Alvin Camara @ Tennessee.

[Big T]

I like that. I like that one. Okay. Seven.

[Mac]

Gotta be Mike Vick, of course.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Mac]

Eight, Lamar.

[Big T]

I'm okay with that. Yeah. Actually, yeah, there hasn't been a better egg toward it.

[Mac]

Alex Ovechkin.

[Big T]

I was on football, but Okay. I don't even know who that is. It sounds like he doesn't have all his teeth, though.

[Mac]

He does not. But he's one of the greatest goal scorers in NHL history.

[Big T]

That's right. That's what I figured. Yeah. Does he really not have all the teeth?

[Mac]

Oh, none of them do.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Eric]

Yeah, definitely.

[Big T]

All right, number nine. I like Steve McNair like that. Rip, rip. Steve McNair. Number 10.

[Mac]

I has to be Chipper Jones, greatest switch hitter to ever live. Chipper Jones.

[Big T]

Yo, that reminds me of PFT's three fifths joke. And, my God, was that not genius?

[Mac]

What a. What a terrible thing to have walked into. Number 11.

[Big T]

I like Dante Culpepper here.

[Mac]

Okay. I would have never known his number, but.

[Big T]

Really?

[Mac]

Yeah, that was. That was slightly before my time.

[Big T]

You know Randy Moss, though. Yeah, that was. He was throwing him.

[Mac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number 12. Gotta be Tom Brady.

[Big T]

Oh, yes. Wow. I went. Wives went. I went to Gus Farot.

[Mac]

Who the hell is that?

[Big T]

I believe he wore 12.

[Mac]

Gus Farat.

[Big T]

That's his name. Hold on, let me see.

[Mac]

I mean, this is. It seems he is a guy and. Yeah, he was 12.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

I've never heard of this guy in my life.

[Big T]

Why? That came to my mind, but it did.

[Mac]

All right. Yeah, good, good call. I guess. 13.

[Big T]

Kurt Warner.

[Mac]

Love that. 14. Who's a good 14?

[Big T]

I believe.

[Mac]

Was Desean Jackson 14?

[Big T]

No, he was 10. Brad Johnson.

[Mac]

Okay.

[Big T]

I believe he was a quarterback. Was he 12 or 14? Can we get that fact check? Brad Johnson, 14. Boom.

[Eric]

You're right.

[Big T]

Bang, bang. I got 50. I got 50.

[Mac]

Okay.

[Big T]

Jeff Hofstadter.

[Mac]

Nice.

[Big T]

He was a quarterback for the Raiders back in the day to do my squad.

[Mac]

I mean, you know who 16 has to be?

[Big T]

Friend of the show.

[Mac]

Is he.

[Big T]

I was gonna go Jake Plummer.

[Mac]

Oh, I was gonna go Peyton Manning.

[Big T]

I thought he was eight. He's eight.

[Mac]

Oh, you talking about he was 18 in the NFL.

[Big T]

Got you, got you. Okay, yeah, we'll save him fighting.

[Mac]

Okay, so Jake Plummer. 17.

[Big T]

17.

[Mac]

Oh, Philip Rivers. 17.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna go Jake De Loan, but I like Philip brothers.

[Eric]

Okay, Josh Allen, too.

[Mac]

Yeah, we'll go Josh.

[Big T]

You know, Mac, we go with Josh. You know, mvp. Get the heat off me a little bit. She'd be on my bumper, by the way.

[Eric]

Thank you.

[Big T]

Josh Allen. What was he in? What was he in college?

[Eric]

I think same.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mac]

Yeah, might have been. I'm not sure.

[Big T]

Okay, cool.

[Eric]

Yeah, I think 17. Yes. Yeah, 17 at Wyoming.

[Big T]

What was he in high school?

[Eric]

Let's see.

[Mac]

Who knows?

[Eric]

Who does know?

[Mac]

I thought, you know, he was a. He was like a zero star recruit and sent a letter to every, like, Division 1 2, NAIA College and was like, here's my tape. I. I want to play football.

[Big T]

I. I'm like, it's, it's. There are so many gyms out there, dog. Like, my brother could have absolutely played in the NFL, but he. We grew up in a smaller town. I had. I hadn't got a chance to move, but like, there's just. No. I grew up around a bunch of dudes that could have. That could have made to the league athletic as shit. But sometimes people just miss, man. It happens.

[Mac]

I mean, you see all the time, like, there'll be a guy who has no offers, then one school sees him and offers him, and then he gets 13 offers right after that. Cause, like, the other schools just hadn't seen him. And then they see that Tennessee offers him, and now he has offers from Bama and Florida State.

[Big T]

Yeah, it sounds personal. Yeah, for sure. Let's go. We got 18. You miss Peyton the goat? Yep, one of them. 19. Ooh. Oh. Whose, cuz? He was a wide receiver for Dallas. Nigga had them eyes, bro. Them like light, bright eyes.

[Mac]

I have no idea. Oh, man, can't get out at 19.

[Big T]

Yeah. I promise you. Oh, man. Hold on. 19. Austin. His first name was it Austin?

[Mac]

I know who you're talking about.

[Big T]

He was a receiver for Dallas. He had like a hell of a year. One year.

[Mac]

Yes.

[Big T]

Miles Austin.

[Mac]

Yes, yes.

[Big T]

Saved us there. All right, 20.

[Mac]

Number 20. How about Ozuna from the Braves?

[Big T]

That's. That's cool. I was gonna go Barry Sanders, but. Okay.

[Mac]

Okay. No, no. Yeah, go barry sanders.

[Big T]

Okay. 21. Dia. That's.

[Mac]

Oh, see, I was gonna go my. My favorite. One of my favorite football players ever.

[Big T]

Who that?

[Mac]

Calvin Johnson.

[Big T]

Okay. Georgia Tech. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. 22. Emmett Smith.

[Mac]

Love that.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

23.

[Big T]

I mean, goat.

[Mac]

Which one?

[Big T]

In my heart, the goat. In my heart, Michael Jordan.

[Mac]

The. Chicago. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 24. The other goat. I'm gonna go alive. We go Champ Bailey. We can go Kobe. We can go. Okay, let's do Kobe. I'm with it.

[Mac]

25. Mark McGuire.

[Big T]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. We gonna need some help later on, so I think you need to start digging in your baseball bag. Warm that. Warm that engine up.

[Mac]

Yeah. 20s and 30s. 20s and 30s is good for baseball.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

26.

[Big T]

Oh, Napoleon Kaufman.

[Mac]

Sure.

[Big T]

Running back for the raiders, like, late 90s.

[Eric]

I'm shocked you did not go with your boy.

[Big T]

Who that Saquon. Oh, that's right. I forgot he wore 26. You're right. Yeah, I went with Napoleon Kaufman. What the. But he inspired the out of me growing up. I love. I love Napoleon.

[Mac]

I've never heard of that guy.

[Big T]

Hope he's doing well, man, look at his. He was awesome.

[Aryan]

Him.

[Big T]

Okay. He was there, like, you know, Merton Hanks, the safety for the Raiders. I mean, I'm sorry, the 49ers. That. That was. That was that era. But anyway.

[Mac]

27. Eddie Joel somebody. Yeah, great.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

28. Was. Was Chris Johnson. 28.

[Big T]

He was, yeah. Him. Adrian Peterson. Yeah. Okay. 29. DeMarco Murray.

[Mac]

Good callback. Yeah, Another titan.

[Big T]

Yeah, he was. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mac]

30.

[Big T]

30. You gotta go TD or Steph Curry. Yeah, yeah, Steph Curry. 31. Reggie Miller.

[Mac]

Oh, nice. I would have never known his number.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah. 31. 32. Jim Brown.

[Mac]

Nice.

[Big T]

33. Tony Dorsett. I'm digging in my bag right now, Big T. I am in my back. Or Roger Craig, too. Throwbacks. 32. We could have went to Juice as well.

[Mac]

Ah, we should have.

[Big T]

Yeah. 33. No, 34. Walter Payton. Okay. Walter Payton.

[Mac]

35. Got to be KD.

[Big T]

KD. Okay. Okay. 30.

[Mac]

36.

[Big T]

Martin Hanks, safety for the 49. Ers.

[Mac]

Sure I am.

[Big T]

I am rocking right now, bro. All right. 37. Sean Alexander.

[Mac]

Nice.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 38.

[Mac]

By the way, how did we not do you for 23?

[Big T]

Because it's Michael Jordan. You know, I'm a humble man.

[Mac]

Big T. What was the. What was the shitty number you wore your rookie year?

[Big T]

37.

[Mac]

Which we just did. I thought it was 37, but I wasn't sure.

[Big T]

Yeah, that was out my memory. I was never even gonna bring me up.

[Mac]

38.

[Big T]

38. Oh, man. I need you to dig in your baseball bag here.

[Mac]

I know I'm. I've got some baseball for 40s, but.38. 38's a shot. Shitty number.

[Big T]

It's not a good number. It's not a good number, though. 38.

[Mac]

There's got to be a running back. That's 38.

[Big T]

I'm digging in my basset. Tony Dorsett, dog. I'm going to my Rolodex. I have a 39. I definitely have a 39. 38.

[Mac]

Are we allowed to. If. If we know the name of the player, we allowed to look it up and see what number he was?

[Big T]

I think that's fair. That's fair.

[Mac]

I'm thinking. I mean, this is a. This is a throwback. 34. I was thinking ov mahaly.

[Big T]

I don't even know. Is it Alabama?

[Mac]

I'm not sure. He was a. He was a fullback for the Falcons when, like, Warren Dunn was playing.

[Big T]

Oh, okay.

[Mac]

Warwick done. Not Warren.

[Big T]

Warren Done was 28. God. 38. Did we get.

[Mac]

We can't get out at 38.

[Big T]

No, we can't get out at 38, dog.

[Mac]

Do we have to go in order?

[Big T]

Yeah, we got to go in order, bro. Put a thumbnail in.38.

[Mac]

Yeah. I mean, we can come back.38. Let me just look. I've got all these starting lineup figures here.

[Big T]

Oh, look at peerless price was 37, too.

[Eric]

I have some NFL players pulled up that have worn 38.

[Big T]

Are they prevalent? Prominent guys? We would probably.

[Eric]

I'm gonna tell you from my, you know, limited but not low amount of NFL knowledge. I know none of these boys like baseball.

[Mac]

Nobody's 38.

[Eric]

There's one NBA player that I recognize. Recognize.

[Big T]

38. You were 38. 38.

[Mac]

This is a.

[Eric]

There's not a lot of NBA players.

[Big T]

Nah, it's a bad. It's not a good number, though. It is not a good.

[Eric]

What is the. Is that a running back number?

[Big T]

It can be, yeah. Anything. 20 to 40. No. 20 to 50. Yeah, 20. 20 to 49.

[Eric]

Like, I'm. I'm looking at these 38, and I am seeing. There is, I believe, one. One person in the hall of Fame with the number 38.

[Big T]

Football. Is it. Hold on. What number was Larry Zanka? Was he 38? Okay. Larry Za.

[Mac]

I think he's in the hall of Fame, so if that is.

[Big T]

Yeah, no, yeah, he's in hall of Fame.

[Eric]

He was your one off.

[Big T]

39.

[Eric]

Yes.

[Mac]

Can you look up baseball? So baseball's our only chance. And I don't.

[Eric]

I don't recognize any of the baseball names.

[Mac]

Yeah, like, there might be a couple pictures that have.

[Eric]

If people are listening to us, they're probably, like, screaming at their tv.

[Big T]

No question. No question.

[Eric]

I can give a hint for a basketball player if you want one.

[Mac]

Do we want. I think because.

[Big T]

Let's do lifelines. Let's call somebody.

[Mac]

You want to use a lifeline?

[Big T]

I want to use a lifeline. We got three lifelines.

[Eric]

Phone a friend. Presented by whatever.

[Mac]

Who do you want to call?

[Big T]

I think we got to call our man pft.

[Eric]

He's at the.

[Mac]

They're recording show.

[Big T]

Call you. Call your mans. Who? The tall, tall dude you do sports with?

[Mac]

Brandon.

[Big T]

Brandon.

[Mac]

They are live right now.

[Eric]

I mean, I don't think.

[Big T]

Call him. Live it.

[Eric]

Yeah, call him live.

[Mac]

I don't know if he'd get mad or not.

[Eric]

He's five feet away.

[Big T]

He can't whoop you.

[Eric]

Do you want me to go. Do you want me to go ask and walk in there?

[Mac]

No, let's come back to. Let's come back to 38.

[Eric]

You can't come back to 38.

[Mac]

Why? We're not going to get it because you can't.

[Eric]

All this game.

[Big T]

We get lifelines, though, bro. We get lifelines. We get three lifelines. Phone a friend. Double sip.

[Mac]

Let me. Let me text Brandon.

[Big T]

I mean, this is a hundred players, bro. I mean, we. I think we are. It's okay to have, like, three. Three phone of friends. This is fair.

[Eric]

Oh, I have a hint for a baseball player, too.

[Mac]

All right, give me a hint.

[Eric]

Okay. This is. Okay. Do you want the NBA or do you want the baseball?

[Big T]

What number was John smoked?

[Mac]

He was 36.

[Big T]

God damn it.

[Mac]

Or was he 26, 29. Wow. I was way off.

[Big T]

Wow. Okay.

[Eric]

Oh, there are actually. I take that back. There are two NFL players in the hall of Fame with the number 38. Who.

[Mac]

Give me the hint for the baseball player.

[Eric]

Okay, this is.

[Big T]

Does this count as one of our lifeline hints? Okay. All right.

[Mac]

How many hints do you want to get? How Many hints do we get? Five.

[Big T]

I think we have five hints. This is 100 players. We have five hints.

[Eric]

I don't know who that is, so that's all on you. I don't know if this is a good enough hint, though.

[Mac]

I'd err on the side of vague rather than.

[Eric]

Yeah, okay. It's in relation the baseball player to Frank the Tank. He basically like Frank Thomas.

[Mac]

No. So it's going to be a Mets play.

[Big T]

Frank Thomas was 35.

[Eric]

Started. He started pitching well once he was traded away from the Mets.

[Mac]

Oh, okay. I mean, that could be any number of people.

[Eric]

He's not like. I know him because who's the.

[Mac]

Is it. Does he play for the Diamondbacks? Yes, it's the Diamondbacks closer. And I don't know what his name is.

[Eric]

I only know him because.

[Mac]

Because Paul Seald.

[Eric]

Yes, exactly.

[Mac]

All right.

[Big T]

Big.

[Eric]

His brother played. His brother played for the minor league team that I worked for.

[Big T]

Hey, that's good. It's Lifeline. Okay, we move on.

[Mac]

Okay. All right, good.

[Eric]

That was good. 39.

[Big T]

One lifeline down, so.

[Mac]

And 39. We know is Larry Zonka.

[Big T]

Perfect. Yeah, I was going to go Curtis Enis for that one. Curtis Enis was a running back for Penn State back in the day, dog. Oh, wait, hold on.

[Aryan]

I think 38.

[Big T]

What? No, it.

[Mac]

We pass 38. Who cares?

[Big T]

40.

[Mac]

40.

[Big T]

Oh, Gail Sayers. Gotta go. Gail Sayers.

[Mac]

Okay.

[Big T]

Gotta go, G. 41. Go right back with your boy Alvin Kamara.

[Mac]

Yep.

[Big T]

42.

[Mac]

Jackie Robinson.

[Big T]

Okay, great one. I was gonna go Ronnie lot, but that's. That's a good one. 43.

[Mac]

I'm. I'm counting on you in the 40s and 50s to know some linebackers.

[Big T]

I got you, Darren Sprouls. 43.

[Eric]

Oh, I thought you were gonna go with Troy Palomalo.

[Big T]

Oh, I have his jersey. Shout out to Cat. 44. 44.

[Eric]

There is a.

[Big T]

You said what?

[Mac]

Lot. Yeah, there's a lot. Anthony Rizzo, number 44 on the Cubs.

[Big T]

We go. Ben Tate is my. My teammate in Houston. We go Pentecost or Vonte Leach. That's my full back in Houston as well.

[Mac]

Either one.

[Big T]

45. Rick Smith.

[Mac]

Nice. I think Roger Clemens was 45.

[Big T]

Rick Smith was the center for the Pacers. Pacers getting a lot of love on this list.

[Eric]

Roger Clemens was not 21.

[Mac]

Yeah, I'm off on some of these pictures.

[Big T]

46.

[Eric]

Only one in the NFL hall of Fame.

[Big T]

46. Oh, I just had him. 46. I have a 47.

[Mac]

I have a 47, too.

[Big T]

Okay. Are you gonna do Trump? No.

[Mac]

Tom Glavin. 46.

[Big T]

Oh, oh, oh. Cause he was a running back. He was undrafted, and he. He had a great season for the. For the Redskins when they was the Redskins.

[Mac]

Like. Like what decade?

[Big T]

My era, it was like 2011, 12, 13. Somewhere around. Out.

[Mac]

Alfred Blue.

[Big T]

Alfred Morris. Alfred Morris.

[Mac]

Alfred Morris.

[Big T]

Yes. Yes. Ch. He's 46, right? Alfred Morris.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Great call.

[Big T]

Oh, my God.

[Eric]

For the commanders. CT. Who?

[Big T]

CT. What? Killing this.

[Mac]

Good call.

[Eric]

He was also 36 and 32.

[Big T]

Gotcha. All right. 47. You said who?

[Mac]

Tom Glavin.

[Big T]

All right, I was going to go tyrone Wheatley. Wow. 48. Oh, 48's tough.

[Mac]

It's got to be like linebacker, linebacker, fullback.

[Big T]

Obscure running back.

[Mac]

Right.

[Eric]

Pitchers, too.

[Mac]

40 pitchers. We may need to just use a hint on every eight.

[Eric]

Oh, oh, there's. There's. There's. Oh, wait, there are ones.

[Mac]

Was Pedro Martinez 48.

[Big T]

I just see his hair falling at his head.

[Eric]

No, 45.

[Mac]

That's. That's the Red Sox pitcher. I was thinking of those 45. Not Clemens.

[Big T]

Oh, Stephen Davis. Steven Davis. I believe he was a running back.

[Mac]

Are you. For who?

[Eric]

Yes.

[Big T]

Yes. Stephen Davis. Panthers.

[Eric]

The Lion.

[Mac]

I thought you were thinking Stephen Jackson for a minute because he had.

[Big T]

Steven Jackson was 39.

[Mac]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

He's on this list.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Stephen Jacob deGrom.

[Big T]

Shout out to me. I am killing this. All right.

[Mac]

No kidding.

[Big T]

40.

[Eric]

And Tori Hunter.

[Big T]

So we got. We're at 50.

[Mac]

49.

[Eric]

49. That was 40.

[Mac]

Oh.

[Big T]

149. God damn, boy. These 40 numbers. Killing it. All right, 49. 40.

[Mac]

There's got to be more pitchers. There's got to be more pitchers that are 49.

[Big T]

9.

[Aryan]

49.

[Mac]

Can someone look up what number 49? What number was. Who's the. He was a pitcher for the Braves. He's dead. Tommy something. Tommy. Tommy Google Braves picture. Oh, I. Tommy dead.

[Eric]

Is it Tommy Green.

[Mac]

He was really good for a season.

[Eric]

Tommy Hansen.

[Mac]

Yes. Tommy Hansen. What number was Tommy Hansen?

[Eric]

Oh, God, he was so young.

[Mac]

Yeah. No, he. He passed on too soon. I feel like he might have been 49.

[Big T]

49. 40.

[Eric]

He's 48.

[Mac]

Son of a.

[Big T]

That's crazy work. That's crazy work.

[Eric]

It felt wrong. Tommy dead. Rip.

[Mac]

Yeah. Rip had one really good season.

[Eric]

There are two in the NFL hall of Fame.

[Big T]

I think we're gonna have to use another hint. 49. I think 49 is a great one to use a hint on. No.

[Mac]

Yeah, I agree.

[Big T]

All right, we gonna use a lifeline.

[Eric]

Let me find a good one. Do you want. Oh, that one. Yeah. Oh, also that one. One of them is our. A co worker for a stint of time. Oh, yes. Podcast with. Also former co worker. Yeah.

[Mac]

Dallas Braden.

[Eric]

No. Right. Close hemisphere, though. Close.

[Mac]

Who else? Jake Arietta.

[Eric]

Bingo.

[Mac]

Okay. All right, 50. I need you in the 50s.

[Big T]

50S gonna be tough, bro.

[Mac]

All right, so, 50.

[Big T]

Houston for the DM. For the Chiefs.

[Mac]

Justin Houston.

[Big T]

He's 50, right?

[Mac]

That sounds right.

[Big T]

Justin Houston's 50.

[Eric]

Yes.

[Big T]

Perfect.

[Mac]

Okay.

[Big T]

All right, 51, we can go. Dick Butkus, right? No. Or was he 61? He was 61. Huh?

[Eric]

51.

[Big T]

51. Perfect, perfect, perfect. All right, 52, we go. Ray Lewis.

[Mac]

Yep.

[Big T]

53, we can go. He played with Patrick Willis. Navarro. Navarro.

[Mac]

Navarro. Bowman.

[Big T]

Yep. Navarro. Bowman was 53. 54 we go. Brian Erlacher.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mac]

55. John Abraham.

[Big T]

Boom. 56. I arguably the greatest defensive player of all time, Lawrence Taylor. Yep. 57.

[Mac]

It's these seven, eight nines that are.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Tough.

[Big T]

Okay, 57. See if Kevin Bentley. 57.

[Mac]

These are the kind of things I need from you in the dozen.

[Big T]

Got it. Kevin Bentley.

[Eric]

Yes. Yes.

[Big T]

Bang, bang. Okay, 58. Have we used all our lifelines on eight? No, we did nine.

[Mac]

Eights and nines. What number was. Oh, Brian cushing.

[Big T]

He was 56. 58. Oh, Brooks Reed. I'm glad you said it. BROOKS Reed was 58, I believe. Brooks Reed. I play with him.

[Mac]

Take your word for it.

[Big T]

Brooks Reed.

[Eric]

He. What number are we looking for? 58.

[Mac]

Yes.

[Eric]

Yep. Yep, you're right.

[Big T]

Boom. Good. Okay, 59. Oh, it's getting thin in my brain. 59. Oh, London Fletcher. London Fletcher, I believe, was 59.

[Eric]

He was correct.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Mac]

Good job. Now, here's where it gets.

[Big T]

It's. It get because it's you, you, you entering line material. Okay, 60 I off. Rip Ben Jones. I play with Ben Jones. 61. Dick Buckus.

[Mac]

I thought he was 51.

[Eric]

Are you allowed to repeat?

[Big T]

No, I thought he was. I thought he was 60. Oh, I'm sorry. What about Mike? Mike Singletary, is he 61? I know a 61 linebacker.

[Eric]

50. It says 50.

[Big T]

Okay. 61.

[Mac]

I mean, we're just into offensive linemen.

[Big T]

Yeah. Jason Kelce was 62. 62. 61. 61.

[Eric]

There's a hockey player that has kind of been relevant in our office.

[Big T]

Yeah, I'm down with the lifeline here. We're down to.

[Mac]

We're down to relevant in our office.

[Eric]

Yes. He is friends with Rick Nash. Yes. Correct.

[Big T]

Let's go.

[Mac]

I saw Oldie wearing that jersey.

[Eric]

That's his, like, best friend.

[Big T]

63. Three. We're on.

[Eric]

You can say Jason Kelsey.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah. 62. Okay, so 63.

[Mac]

We've used three hints, so we have two remaining.

[Big T]

We might use them all in the 60s. Be like, this is 63. 63. Oh, no, that's 73. What? Yeah, the 73. I got 73 for sure.

[Mac]

I don't. I. I don't know any offensive lineman's numbers.

[Big T]

I do, but the. The hard part. 60s are usually interior, so guard, center. And they're not as known usually as tackles. Tackles are more known. So, like, I got 70. 71. 72. 73. We're at 63. 60. Oh, no. God damn it. 63 is such a dumb number. Well, we gotta use the hint. I got it. I got 64. No, wait, wait. Hold on. Was Larry incognito? Not Larry incognito?

[Mac]

It's Larry Richie.

[Big T]

Richie incognito. I think he was a 63. I know he's played. I know he's 64, but I think he was a 63 as well.

[Eric]

Yeah, no, 64 and 68.

[Big T]

I.

[Mac]

We got to use a hint.

[Big T]

Yeah, I need. Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Eric]

Do you have one? Not that I can say out loud.

[Mac]

What do you mean? That's what the answer was. What does that mean?

[Eric]

Forget me.

[Mac]

Do we have a hint? I'm confused.

[Eric]

No. Yeah, very confused. Hold on. There's a lot on here. I don't recognize any names personally. Besides, there is a person on here that has a first name that is just two letters.

[Mac]

I mean, that doesn't do anything that it's like.

[Eric]

Like it's not C.J. but C.J.

[Mac]

Or T.J. yeah, I. I picked up on that.

[Big T]

Oh, okay.

[Eric]

Sorry.

[Mac]

I know that it's two letters because you told me. I just don't know who it is.

[Big T]

Oh, man.

[Eric]

There is a Phillies player. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Not Phillies. Reds. And he played for Washington as well.

[Mac]

Reds and Nationals. We may. We may be done.

[Eric]

No, think of this baseball player. His last name is also a movie. That is Dr. Blank. Yes. Good hint.

[Mac]

Dr. Strange Love.

[Eric]

No, no.

[Mac]

Dr. John Doolittle.

[Eric]

There you go. Correct.

[Mac]

I mean, that was definitely. We've used, like, nine.

[Eric]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Big T]

It is what it is. 63, bro. It's.

[Mac]

Yeah. I mean, we were never.

[Eric]

I mean, come on. There is none like the baseball player. I mean, the football players are like Brad Edelman. Gene Upshaw.

[Big T]

Oh, my God. Gene Upshot. No. Gene Upshaw.

[Eric]

Yeah, Ya. Tittle is who I was thinking Golly.

[Big T]

That'S shitty. All right, so we on 64?

[Mac]

Four.

[Big T]

All right. 64. Oh, we said Richie incognito.

[Eric]

Yes, he was 64.

[Big T]

Perfect. Perfect. 65.

[Mac]

This is all you? I have no idea.

[Eric]

No, there's one. You might know.

[Big T]

I think we should get a pass until 70.

[Mac]

Well, that.

[Big T]

That wasn't the challenge, bro. We might just have to run it back, you know, one day, because this is. Yeah, yeah, I think you guys. 65. I'm drawing a blank on 65.

[Mac]

Yeah, I mean, we could just sit here and guess offensive lineman until we.

[Eric]

Got one, but think Jason Kelsey for 65.

[Mac]

Does that mean another center or another eagle?

[Eric]

Eagle. McKenzie's just giving you everything.

[Mac]

Landon Dickerson.

[Eric]

No.

[Big T]

I don't.

[Mac]

Jordan My lota.

[Eric]

No. Close, though.

[Mac]

Is it their other guard? I don't know who it is.

[Big T]

It's got to be Johnson. Johnson?

[Eric]

Yes.

[Mac]

Is it really Lane Johnson?

[Eric]

Yes.

[Big T]

Oh, my God.

[Mac]

Great job, Aran. Great job.

[Eric]

You know, we're faster.

[Big T]

That's crazy.

[Mac]

Were you just guessing random last names? Yeah.

[Big T]

What the. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Mac]

66.

[Big T]

6.

[Mac]

And we're right back to square one.

[Eric]

Yep. I feel like there had to be a good 66, like a double number moment.

[Mac]

I'm sure there are. I just, like. I don't commit to memory the numbers of offensive linemen.

[Big T]

Larry Little. Larry Little.

[Eric]

Yes. Correct. Wow, that's a good pull alliteration with the double number. That's a fun thing.

[Big T]

Go, baby. 67. My God, bro.

[Mac]

It's just. Every time.

[Big T]

Oh, man. All right. 67. Oh, it's just. How many people wears 60?

[Aryan]

60S is the.

[Big T]

Is it. If you can get past 60s, it's easy. Game 67.

[Mac]

We. We just have to get to 80. If we can get to 80, I can.

[Big T]

I can get us through 70s.

[Mac]

Really?

[Big T]

Yes. It's. The 60s is killing me, though. Oh, man.

[Mac]

I mean, we. We have two options. We can either quit or just keep using hints, and then at the end, we just tally up how many.

[Big T]

It's a wrap. We did not do the challenge. I wanted to see if we can do that.

[Eric]

Maybe we. Maybe we stop, and then when PFT is back, we can continue and see if he has any. Yeah, he likes an offensive lineman.

[Mac]

It's just those are. Those are so tough. Yeah, you just have to have randomly loved, like, 10 offensive linemen and their numbers, which no one does.

[Big T]

I can get us through the 70s, maybe. Yeah, I think. I guess through the 70s. I know. I got.

[Eric]

Looking at the 70s list. I think you.

[Big T]

I got 71. I got 72. I got 73. 74. I got 75. 76. I got 76. I got 77. Got 78. How about 79? Definitely got n. 80 through 100 or 99. Easy money. Anyway. Thought it was.

[Mac]

Put a disclaimer at the beginning of that. How long was that?

[Eric]

That long?

[Big T]

It's like almost an hour.

[Eric]

No, no, it wasn't almost. No, it was probably like 30. 30 minutes.

[Aryan]

Yeah, we'll.

[Eric]

We'll put it as a chapter. Yeah, we'll have time codes. Yeah. Sorry about that, everyone.

[Big T]

Do it at Google.

[Mac]

No, I'm not sorry about it. It was fun. It's just.

[Eric]

I thought it was interesting. Yeah.

[Mac]

If there are people who don't want to listen to it, I feel like.

[Eric]

It'S an interactive moment with the crowd.

[Aryan]

Ah, no.

[Big T]

67.

[Mac]

Give me a hand. Let's just keep going. Let's just keep fucking going.

[Big T]

Larry. Larry Tinsel.

[Mac]

Never heard of that guy in my life.

[Big T]

Is that. Is it Larry? Yeah, it's Larry. Right? I play with him. Puffins. Yeah. Yeah, you do. Laramie Tinsel. My bad.

[Mac]

Laramie Tunsil.

[Big T]

Tunzel.

[Mac]

Remarkably different name from Larry.

[Big T]

That's my fault. That's my fault. You know who else also? No, I also 67k.

[Mac]

I clearly do not.

[Big T]

Kaz Gibson for the Minnesota Timberwolves. Okay.

[Mac]

Wow. Yeah, he always had weird numbers.

[Eric]

Also, there's one for 63. You guys could have gotten. I feel.

[Big T]

Who's that?

[Eric]

Jeff Saturday.

[Mac]

Oh, I mean, again, like, obviously we know who Jeff Saturday is. I just never could have told you his number.

[Big T]

Yeah, let's see. Number 68.

[Mac]

So we're just still going, I guess.

[Big T]

I'm gonna finish these 60s, bro. That shit. Let's see. Number 68. I would have never got Will Shields, maybe. Yeah. Will Shields. Yeah. No, and then 69. You got a 69 for me? Derek Allen. I believe it was a. No, I wouldn't have got him.

[Eric]

You're close.

[Big T]

Oh, Jared Allen.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Jared.

[Mac]

69.

[Big T]

He was 69. He was. I forgot about that.

[Mac]

Nice.

[Eric]

This is funny. This says Dennis Rodman reportedly requested the number when he joined the Mavericks, but was given 70 instead.

[Mac]

That's.

[Big T]

That's crazy. Yeah, he. He always had. I know. He had 73. He had 37. He did ones that added up to 10, because I think his first number was 10 with Detroit. Piss.

[Mac]

I was gonna say because he was 91, right?

[Big T]

Yep. 91 with the Bulls. 73 with the LA. He did things to add up to 10. Wow. What a fun game. What a Fun fucking game, man.

[Mac]

All right, so put this at the beginning real quick. If you don't want to listen to 30 minutes of naming players numbers, which you should skip forward half an hour or so, and then we'll get into the topic. With pft.

[Eric]

It was more than just naming numbers, I'd say.

[Mac]

Yeah, no, it was.

[Eric]

It was a good time, good conversation. Do you have anything else on your brain? What's your favorite memory over the last four years?

[Mac]

Big T. My favorite memory over the. I mean, going to Knoxville was cool with Aryan. San Diego was fun.

[Big T]

Yeah, Aryan is fun, but that's what.

[Mac]

It sounds like most of the time. It is. Yeah. We've had some. We've had some good nights in. In New York.

[Big T]

What do you mean, most of them? So give me the time.

[Mac]

Usually. Usually you're a good time. I'm trying to think.

[Eric]

It's not the day after the baseball game.

[Big T]

I can. I could. I could understand it.

[Mac]

Oh, that was. I mean, that was just the worst day of my life. Nobody would have been.

[Big T]

But that was a cool experience, though, right? That's a little southeast San Diego. Hood. I was.

[Mac]

I. Yeah, it was somewhere I would never have gone in my life otherwise. Yeah, we've had. We've had some fun times. I'm trying to think if there's a time we've been, like, hanging out in person, and I was like, I don't want to be around you right now. Know, I don't think there is.

[Eric]

That's not the question I asked also.

[Mac]

Well, you said. Well, Aryan said. Because I said, most of the time, it's fun.

[Eric]

George Santos.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

I mean, we had a sitting US Congressman on this show. That's not nothing.

[Big T]

That was fun.

[Eric]

Not nothing. Who also got charged three weeks later for crimes that he said on our show he did not do. Like, that's kind of crazy.

[Big T]

That's. That's dope. Yep.

[Eric]

You guys golfing last year was very fun, even though it's cold as shit.

[Big T]

Yeah, that golf was fun. We need to re. Run that series back, too, by the way.

[Eric]

Yes. Well, yeah. Yeah, we had a. We had a person on the IR for a little bit on track.

[Big T]

Yeah. You back, baby. All right, we're gonna run. We run break 80 back. Um. Oh, I like. I like John Taffer. I like John Taffer, though.

[Eric]

That was a long time ago.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah, I love it.

[Mac]

Yeah. I mean, in terms of Guess, he was great. Stone Cold was super cool.

[Big T]

That was. That was a dope moment. That was a really dope moment.

[Mac]

Adam Richmond was awesome.

[Big T]

We're gonna have him back and do the history of food. That was. That was one of my favorite guests. Dog. Like, he's just so knowledgeable about food.

[Mac]

And how I could talk to anybody about anything who, like, loves that thing. Like, he loves food and, like, everything about it. So, like, it's interesting to talk to him about it.

[Big T]

It's fact. That's fact. Oh, I had a. I was a pig. And when Professor Brian Cox came on Talk About Physics, I loved that episode. That was amazing.

[Eric]

That's a fun little saying.

[Mac]

You just had pig and pig, and.

[Eric]

I've never heard that.

[Mac]

Really?

[Big T]

Yeah. Happy. Happy as a pig. And. No.

[Mac]

That's some good times.

[Big T]

We've had good times on this podcast, and we appreciate all yalls involvement in it. Enjoyment. Non enjoyment. You know, all of it, man. It's all a part of this big circle of life that we are all existing in. We're almost to 50, 000 subscribers on YouTube. So tell your mama to subscribe. Tell your daddy to subscribe. Unless he's. Unless he's your girlfriend, then I can understand why he wouldn't.

[Mac]

Well, then he should really owe you a favor.

[Big T]

Yeah, he should subscribe. Yeah. Facts. But I don't know if you want to be part of the crew.

[Mac]

Is this subscribers or Twitter followers?

[Eric]

Subscribers. Subscribers on YouTube.

[Mac]

Oh, YouTube. Nice, nice. Yeah, yeah. Subscribe on YouTube. I thought earlier you were talking about. How many Twitter followers do we have?

[Eric]

Like 62,000. Follow on Twitter, too.

[Mac]

Yeah, yeah, do that.

[Eric]

Oh, on TikTok, follow everything. Follow everything. Like, subscribe. Macrodosing pot on everything. Please, please, please, please.

[Big T]

Hunt it, man. We. We. We appreciate the support and love. Yeah. Unless anybody has anything else, man, I think we get to the Alcatraz segment. It's a. It's a. It's a dope segment that I feel like y' all enjoy. So, yeah, let's dig into that. Here is me, the hobbit, Big T, and the crew talking about Alcatraz.

[Aryan]

Okay, let's get into today's topic. Alcatraz. It's the Alcatraz of San Francisco. What's the best. What's the best movie about Alcatraz? Let's start there.

[Mac]

I haven't seen any of them.

[Aryan]

You got Escape from Alcatraz. You've got the Birdman of Alcatraz. You've got the Rock.

[Big T]

Best prison Break movie is Shawshank Redemption.

[Aryan]

I agree with that.

[Mac]

That's just the best movie, period.

[Aryan]

I don't just.

[Big T]

Yeah, I don't disagree if you tell me Shawshank is your favorite movie.

[Mac]

It is.

[Big T]

Yeah. That's. That's a fire one.

[Aryan]

It could. That could be the best movie ever.

[Big T]

It's Andy Dufresne.

[Aryan]

I would also say the Rock might be up there as the best movie ever.

[Mac]

That's the only one you named. I hadn't heard of you.

[Aryan]

Wait, you've never heard of the Rock?

[Mac]

Not the film I've heard of.

[Aryan]

With Nicolas Cage, the Sean Connery.

[Mac]

I'm looking at it right now. I'm a big Nick Cage guy.

[Aryan]

And Ed Harris.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

You name the three guys that were.

[Big T]

Nicholas Cage gets a lot of hate online, and I don't know why, because he's weird. I like his films, man.

[Aryan]

They always geniuses.

[Mac]

He'll be appreciated after his time.

[Aryan]

I think he's appreciated right now.

[Big T]

He.

[Aryan]

He goes in waves like. There's. There's some months where, at least on the Internet, Nick Cage is clowned upon. There's some months where people ironically enjoy his stuff. Then there's some months where it's like, nick Cage is a genius. And then there's some months where it's like, this guy's insane.

[Big T]

He's like the Adam Sandler of action films.

[Aryan]

Yeah, action. He does, like, a lot of weird films, too, I think.

[Big T]

Like action films.

[Aryan]

Yeah. But he also makes a lot of films that are not, like, meant for a wide audience, I think. Like what? Strange films? What's that movie adaptation where he plays the twins. That's a weird one. The Family Man. That's a good movie, though. Christmas movie, I think.

[Mac]

Listen.

[Aryan]

Bad Lieutenant.

[Mac]

National Treasure. And National Treasure, too. He could make nothing but piles of dog for the rest of time, and it would have been worth it.

[Aryan]

Conair, which is Alcatraz on a plane.

[Big T]

Yeah. The prison broke out of plan.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Yeah. Conor is one of the best movies ever. But the Rock is up there. You should watch the Rock.

[Big T]

Big T. That's Face Off.

[Aryan]

Face off, yeah. That was great.

[Mac]

I've still got to watch. What's the last one I said I was gonna watch?

[Aryan]

Training Day.

[Big T]

You ever watched Training yet?

[Mac]

No.

[Big T]

Yeah, I grew up.

[Aryan]

He doesn't take. He doesn't take a recommendation seriously.

[Mac]

No, I do. It's just like I. I will watch Training Day by next week.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mac]

It is what I'm looking up what streaming service it is right now.

[Aryan]

Watch it tonight.

[Mac]

Good.

[Big T]

Good.

[Mac]

Basketball games on tonight. Watch Houston, Texas Tech tomorrow night. Tomorrow night's even better.

[Aryan]

You got to.

[Big T]

Okay, well. What?

[Aryan]

Watch Training Day. Watch.

[Mac]

It's on Amazon prime, the Rock is.

[Aryan]

It's one of the best movies ever. You got Sean Connery. He's. He plays a former prisoner, the only person who is said to have escaped from Alcatraz. Nick Cage plays some guy in the FBI or something like that. And then Ed Harris takes over Alcatraz with a bunch of his veteran buddies to raise awareness for something that is important to them. I forget what it is, but they've got. They've got rockets filled with sarin gas that they're threatening to fire out above San Francisco and kill people. And so then Nick Cage has to use Sean Connery, who's in prison, to teach him how to break into Alcatraz so they can take these guys out.

[Mac]

Interesting. What would you guess this movie's critic score is on Rotten Tomatoes.

[Aryan]

Critic score. They probably hated it. I'm going to say 60, 67.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Aryan]

I personally give it 90.

[Mac]

The popcorn meter has 85.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Aryan]

Yeah, that's valid. One of my favorite lines in there, Sean Connery, when he's talking to Nick Cage, he goes like, losers. Losers always cry about.

[Big T]

Wait, I'm doing his dude in his accent.

[Aryan]

Okay, hang on, let me look up the exact quote here. Sean Connery.

[Big T]

My favorite Sean Connor movie is Finding Forrester.

[Mac]

I don't know that I've ever seen Sean Connery, a Sean Connery film.

[Big T]

What, you've seen it?

[Mac]

I've just. I've just seen the guy do him on Celebrity Jeopardy.

[Aryan]

Who, Daryl Hammond? Yeah, yeah. No. So Nick Cage in this movie is like, I'm trying my best. And then Sean Connery goes, losers always whine about the best winners go home. And the prom queen. And then Nick Cage goes, my wife was the prom queen. And then they kind of. They reach an element of mutual respect after that. Well done. Well done, Cage. But yeah, great movie. The best movie about Alcatraz. And no one has ever actually escaped from Alcatraz. They don't think.

[Mac]

I think they do think.

[Aryan]

The official report is that there had. There was never a successful escape, but.

[Mac]

The one that there was one that probably was.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Maybe they just never found the guy. Few of them, but yeah. They always say that if they tried to swim off the island, they got eaten by sharks.

[Mac]

Yeah. Hate that.

[Aryan]

Shark infested waters. That's the worst kind of water.

[Mac]

How long would you have to be in prison to. Let's say you found a way that you can escape, but you know, there's sharks and what. Even if you get past the sharks now you're, you know, you're in your prison jump. So you got to find a way. How long would you have to be in prison to take the risk with the sharks?

[Big T]

Who.

[Mac]

I think it wasn't a short. So these guys who may have escaped. It was two brothers and another guy. Forget their last name. But they. It's not a short distance you have to swim.

[Aryan]

No, it's a long. You probably would drown, probably wouldn't get eaten by the shark. But yeah, it would be a tough. You'd have to train for that. I don't think they had any, like, swimming programs that you could do while you're a prisoner there. So it'd be a tough swim to make. But they always said the waters outside Alcatraz, shark infested.

[Mac]

Also freezing cold.

[Aryan]

Freezing cold water. Yeah. There's a lot of reasons why you'd probably die. So you have a better chance getting.

[Big T]

Bitten by a dog than you do eaten by sharks.

[Aryan]

Oh, yeah, way better.

[Mac]

But your odds of surviving a bite from a dog or like 99.999999. Your odds of surviving a shark bite are pretty low.

[Big T]

Just giving you stats, man. You can do with them what you. What you want.

[Mac]

Right, but they're the. They're incongruent.

[Big T]

Some could argue, but I mean, for shark lovers and dog lovers out there, there's just stats out there.

[Aryan]

Well, if every. If there were as many sharks kept as pets in America as there are dogs, do you think the numbers would be higher for shark bites?

[Big T]

Probably not.

[Aryan]

You don't think so? You think if, if we had 150 million sharks as pets in the United States, there wouldn't be that many more shark bites?

[Big T]

No, there'd probably be more dog bites. The reason why is because when you go to somebody's house and my dog doesn't bite head ass and then they get in a biting, you know, I mean, when you go to somebody's house and they have a shark, you already thinking he bites, so you ain't going to fuck with it?

[Aryan]

Like, don't touch the shark.

[Big T]

Don't touch the shark, please.

[Aryan]

Having a. Yeah, a security shark would rock. Let's bring back moats. We don't have moats anymore.

[Big T]

Yeah. Despicable me.

[Aryan]

Yeah, Moats. Yeah, moats with alligators and in it. That was a. That was the best way to keep people out of your castle.

[Big T]

Talk me out of not being afraid of alligators. I just don't think, like, they don't be attacking people like that.

[Mac]

Oh, you're saying that you're not scared of an Alligator.

[Big T]

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not scared. Like, what? Because I see them on golf courses all the time.

[Mac]

That's insane.

[Big T]

All the time. And they don't scare me because I'm like, yo. They don't, like, attack people. Like, you have to be an. In my opinion, to get attacked by an alligator.

[Aryan]

I think that alligator golf course alligators are like college campus squirrels. They're so used to humans that they'll just, like, see human. They're like, I'm. Listen, I'm in the sun right now. I can't. I'm not gonna move. But then if you go and you try to with one and if you fall into the. Here's the problem area. If it's a home game for the alligators, if you, if you fall into the water where there's gators, they will attack you.

[Big T]

Yeah, I agree.

[Aryan]

But if you see one on land and it's not like it's eating something or maybe, you know, if it doesn't have a nest or something nearby. Yeah, they're not. If you see an alligator in an open field, that alligator is not going to come up to you and bite you.

[Big T]

Agree? That's why I don't be scared of them. I don't. I don't fuck with them. Don't fuck with me.

[Mac]

You're scared of dogs, but not alligators.

[Big T]

Dogs will absolutely attack you. On.

[Mac]

Go, walk up. Hey, next alligator you see. Go walk up to him. Just start talking to him. See? See, See what he does?

[Big T]

I don't. I don't walk up to dogs and talk to dogs.

[Aryan]

Alligators are straight up dinosaurs.

[Big T]

They've been here since the dinosaurs.

[Aryan]

Yeah, they're just, They're. I respect them. We see.

[Big T]

I. I'm just not necessarily afraid of them. Like, they don't. They don't give me the heebie jeebies.

[Mac]

Yeah, they eat kids.

[Big T]

So do dogs.

[Mac]

Not like alligators.

[Aryan]

That's a good point. Aaron just got you on that point.

[Mac]

No, no, he didn't.

[Big T]

Yeah, he did.

[Mac]

Dogs may bite kids. They don't eat them.

[Aryan]

No, they attack kids.

[Big T]

Yeah, they definitely do. When dogs bite you, what do you. What do you think they're trying to. What do you think the goal is?

[Mac]

They can't eat. They can't eat your body like an alligator can.

[Big T]

They cannot eat your. What are you talking. What do you think dogs are? They're carnivores. They're carnivorous animals. They will absolutely eat you. What are you talking about?

[Mac]

Most dogs can't do what an alligator can do.

[Big T]

I would argue no dog can do what alligator.

[Mac]

Okay, then we agree. There are a few dogs who could.

[Big T]

Do not agree.

[Mac]

Okay, I don't, I don't get what you're saying, but there are a few dogs that could fuck you up. Every alligator can you up kill you.

[Big T]

Not a baby alligator.

[Mac]

Probably not.

[Big T]

Win for Aryan.

[Mac]

I, I just. Your, your, your, your fear is misplaced.

[Aryan]

I'm with Arian in that most encounters that you have, you need to check your privilege too, Aaron. Most of the times you see an alligator, it's on a golf course.

[Big T]

Privilege checked. Yeah. You're not, you're not wrong. I will never see an alligator outside of a golf course.

[Aryan]

But if you're, if you're like on a swamp boat and you fall into the water and there's, there's big ass gators around, they will you up.

[Big T]

I, I actually went, I went crawfish. I guess hunting is the term with the dudes from Duck Dynasty. That was interesting. And I saw some gators and I will never be in a swamp again.

[Aryan]

When was this?

[Mac]

Have we not heard this story before?

[Eric]

How did that happen?

[Big T]

Oh, what a crossover. Oh, so were you on the show? Kind of. We did like this, this video. I'm sure you can find it. We did this video where they were because, you know, they like, you know, right. Leaning cats, right? A couple of us that kneeled for the national anthem, they were like trying to like, yo, what's the, what's the mindset behind it, right? So they invited us on their show to like talk to them about it. And so we, we explained us and we had it, it was a good conversation. And they, they weren't really understanding, but like, it was good dudes, you know what I'm saying? And then so they took us out on this, in this bayou and we were catching crawfish. It was wild. Well, I'll never do it again. But it was really, it was a dope experience. I, I enjoyed it. And then afterwards we went to their house and they had this like big broil and they, and they, and they cooked everything. And one of their dads, dude was like 70 something, maybe even older than that. He had never saw atheist before and so he was, he was like infatuated with me. Dog was asking me all these questions. It was, it was kind of dope.

[Mac]

I'm watching it right now.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

Those were the two parts I could find. I don't know if there's like a full episode of it, but that's very Funny.

[Mac]

This was when we had been doing the show at this point, or at least it was posted in May of 2021. I don't know when it was recorded.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Eric]

This article says April.

[Big T]

I could have. Yeah, it could have been. Yeah. Wow. For not telling you.

[Aryan]

How was the food? It was good.

[Big T]

I. With it. Yeah.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And, yeah, we got. We all of us got faded. Oh, you know who else was there? The Green Beret guy.

[Mac]

Nate Boyer.

[Big T]

Nate Boyer. Yeah, he was there.

[Aryan]

Dream Blunt rotation. Right there.

[Eric]

Uncle Psy.

[Mac]

It's Willie Robertson, his wife Arie, and Nate Boyer. And who's this other player? Was it Mike Hughes?

[Aryan]

Uncle Psy.

[Big T]

Right.

[Aryan]

He was there.

[Mac]

Mike Thomas.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's Mike Thomas. The second part of the video.

[Mac]

Oh, he is. I. I didn't see him.

[Eric]

I sent a second one. The title says Uncle Sigh Speaks his Mind about NFL Protests.

[Mac]

You met Uncle Psy. That's awesome.

[Eric]

Yeah, that is. That's so funny.

[Aryan]

The NFL protest is back on. The boycott's back on again.

[Mac]

Why is that?

[Aryan]

Because it's the off season. The Eagles aren't going to the White House.

[Big T]

Oh, I like that.

[Aryan]

But they. They didn't go. I don't think they went when they won the first time.

[Eric]

No, they did not.

[Aryan]

I think Chris Long, we got him. He did not want to, like, make a public statement. We just, like, told him, hey, are you going to the White House? He was like, no, that. I'm not going to that. And then it became like a massive news story the next day. Felt bad about. About that.

[Big T]

Felt bad about that.

[Aryan]

I did, because he was like, I wasn't really trying to make a public statement about it, but you guys cornered me. But, yeah, they're not going back. So boycott back on. This is a good time of year to boycott the NFL stand on business, although the combines this week. So boycott off back to Alcatraz. So there have been 14 escape attempts. 36 dudes tried to escape, 23 were captured, six got shot, and two drowned, and the other five were missing, presumed drown. So that's Frank Morris, John and Clarence Anglin, and they tried to escape in 1962. That's where the film Escape from Alcatraz came from. They. They chipped away at the concrete cell walls with sharpened spoons that they had, and they made heads that were supposed to look like their own heads underneath the. The covers. So I think one of them was played by Clint Eastwood. And they found all their shit floating in San Francisco Bay. But they didn't find the bodies, so they might have escaped or they drowned or they got eaten by sharks.

[Mac]

But there was something. A few weeks later, in a town somewhere nearby, there was a car robbery, I believe. And I forget all the exact details, but the. The woman whose car was stolen, like, described a group of men that sounded very much like them.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

And then they never found that car again.

[Aryan]

Huh. Interesting. So it was. It was super hard to escape from. Not just because it's an island in the middle of the San Francisco Bay surrounded by sharks, but also the jail cells themselves. Like, the. The. The rods, the steel bars, they were made out of, like, reinforced steel that you couldn't. It was impossible to cut through. And the locking system on the doors was different. It's not like each door had a key that you would walk up to and put in. There was, like, this big lever that would be cranked at the end of the hallway to open up all the doors. So it's not like you could reach out and open up your door or steal a key and open up your door that way. So it was. It was hard to escape. I. I had always thought that Alcatraz is where they sent the worst dudes, like, the worst criminals, and that's not necessarily the case. So there were people out there that were there for tax evasion, or if you robbed, like, gas station that had a post office desk in it, that could be a federal crime. And this was a federal prison, so they could send you there. But other times, it was like, the biggest from other federal prisons, they got sent there. So one of those would be like, you guys know the Birdman of Alcatraz?

[Big T]

Hey, talk to me.

[Aryan]

Have you heard of him? Birdman of Alcatraz, surprisingly, did not have any birds. He was not allowed to have birds at Alcatraz. But his name is Robert Stroud, and so he was locked up because he got convicted of manslaughter. So what happened was before he. Before he was a criminal, he was like, well, I guess everyone is, but he was not like a bad dude on the outside. On the outside. He got into an argument with somebody, ended up killing that person, got charged with manslaughter. He went to jail, and then he kind of snapped. Then he was on McNeil Island Prison, and he attacked another inmate, then got sent to Leavenworth. And then he killed a guard at Leavenworth. Then he got first degree murder, and they gave him the death sentence. Then President Woodrow Wilson commuted the death sentence to life imprisonment. And so then after he was at Leavenworth, he became the Birdman. He Wrote two books about canaries and their diseases. And they allowed him to study birds because it's like, okay, at least he's not killing guards if he's just studying birds. So they would find bird contraband in all of his. And, like, hidden.

[Big T]

What is bird contraband?

[Aryan]

Well, he would have actual contraband that he would. He would store, like, in his bird cages. But he would have, like, you know, some of the. Some of the tools that he would use to study the birds had been fashioned into weapons. And then other times, naturally, I think he request a bunch of materials for a birdcage. And then they're like, you just. You used all these things and you made a home brewery with it, and you're just making hooch. You're just making wine in prison. So they confiscate a bunch of his stuff. And then he got transferred to Alcatraz in 1942. And I think he was in the hole for 11 years, but he didn't. He did not have any birds while he was at Alcatraz. Against the rules. But the official history of Alcatraz, which is a badass name, isn't it?

[Mac]

It's a good name.

[Big T]

Hole for 11 years is. Is wild. Yeah, that. That's. That's almost it. No, that is.

[Aryan]

Yeah, it's torture.

[Mac]

And back then, it wasn't even like, now I think they'll let you, like, out an hour a day. Right. And you can go outside or whatever. I bet he was just in there.

[Aryan]

The newfangled holes.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Back in the day, a hole was a hole.

[Mac]

The woke hole.

[Aryan]

Yeah, a hole used to be a hole where they just lock you in a dark room and wouldn't give you. But, yeah, I think Alcatraz is a great name. Anything with the Z in it sounds way more scary. X2X is good. Yeah. So it was discovered, or it was named in 1775, Laila de los Alcatrazis, meaning the island of the pelicans. And so there were a shitload of pelicans on there. And then after a while, people got tired of saying Alcatrazis and just said Alcatraz. And it became a federal prison in 1934. So it started out as being almost like a brig, so a military fort. And then they built a couple jail cells in it. And then after a while, they're like, let's just turn the whole island into. Into a prison.

[Mac]

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[Aryan]

So they called it the Rock when it got changed up to being called a prison. And that's where Michael Bay got the the name from.

[Mac]

It's a Bay movie.

[Aryan]

Michael Bay.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Does that amp it up for you?

[Mac]

That makes me want to watch it less, I'll be honest.

[Aryan]

But okay.

[Mac]

But I'm committed to watching it.

[Aryan]

There's not. It's not like it's filled with explosions. There are explosions, but the bombs are not like a main character.

[Mac]

I just don't know. There's a Michael Bay movie that I've liked.

[Big T]

I don't know that. Let me see Michael Bay movies.

[Mac]

I saw one of the Transformers. Hated it. Have not seen Bad Boys 2.

[Big T]

Oh, that's a good one. Armageddon.

[Mac]

Haven't seen it.

[Aryan]

You haven't seen a lot of good films.

[Eric]

We talked about it last week, that you were uncultured.

[Mac]

Big last night. I was one of my friends text our group chat that Wedding Crashers was on cmt. I was like, never seen it.

[Big T]

What's the Wedding Crashers?

[Mac]

No, it's just one of those that slipped through.

[Big T]

Wow. You need to slip that back in or whatever.

[Mac]

Noted.

[Big T]

The thing back in there.

[Mac]

Yeah, I've got. I've got a list now. Training Day, the Rock, Wedding crashes.

[Big T]

Bad Boys and Bad Boys too. You bugging them is fire.

[Mac]

I saw Bad Boys for life. I googled the first couple and then watched out. Saw it the day Kobe died.

[Big T]

That's great.

[Mac]

I. I had tickets to go see it at like four or five, whatever it was.

[Aryan]

And then it just wouldn't be right.

[Mac]

And then Kobe died and I was like, do I still go to the movie?

[Big T]

Like.

[Mac]

And I was like. I was like, yeah, I Mean, he's already dead.

[Big T]

Oh, I see. I, I canceled all plans with Kobe. Died?

[Mac]

Yeah. I mean, he was. There was nothing I could do at that point.

[Aryan]

Did you feel, do you feel guilty about going to it?

[Mac]

No.

[Big T]

A little selfish. I would.

[Mac]

I, I, I couldn't help him. You know, I was in New York City and I'd already paid for the ticket.

[Aryan]

I think mama mentality suggests that you, you should go.

[Mac]

Kobe would have wanted me to go see bad boys for life.

[Aryan]

Yes.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Built different.

[Mac]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

I got you today.

[Mac]

Yeah. This one's for 8 and 24.

[Aryan]

I mean, the ultimate example of that was the dude that bowled the 300 on 911.

[Mac]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

We've all seen his picture, which I've.

[Mac]

Always been woke on this.

[Aryan]

You don't think, you think it's a Will Chamberlain situation?

[Mac]

No, I believe it happened.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

But the events of 911 occurred early in the morning.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Like what? It was like 8, 9am yeah. There's no bowling alley that's open. Then he went to the bowling alley after 9 11.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Correct. So that's part of the lore. He was just like, fuck it, let's go. Let's go bowling.

[Mac]

Yeah. So then, like, you already knew.

[Aryan]

Our nation's under attack. I got to get to the lanes.

[Mac]

Right. It's not like he did that at noon. And then the, the bad shit happened at 6pm and he's like, wow, my day, my moment is ruined. He went knowing what had already occurred.

[Aryan]

Yes. That's, to me, what makes it even. It makes it a funny story. The fact that that's how he processed 911 by going to the bowling alley.

[Mac]

Just need to hit the lane.

[Aryan]

And then had the best, the best role of his life. Somebody, I forget who it was. It might have been Vice caught up with him like five or six years ago and did an interview. They found that guy, did an interview with him about his perfect game on 9 11.

[Mac]

You know who had a startling wake up on 911 was George Carlin. Do you know about what he did?

[Aryan]

No.

[Big T]

I feel like George Carlin.

[Mac]

Do I like George Carlin? I've never, like, sat down and watched a ton of his stuff.

[Big T]

Oh, God, that would have surprised me.

[Mac]

I know, I know. But, but anyway, so he recorded a special on September 10, 2001.

[Aryan]

Yes, yes.

[Mac]

Entitled I really like it when a Lot of people die.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

And in the thing mentioned, like, he loves planes crashing into buildings and shit like that.

[Aryan]

And he's like, hoping that it gets worse.

[Mac]

Yes.

[Aryan]

As it happens. Yeah.

[Mac]

And it was Never. Obviously never released.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Mac]

And I believe it was in Vegas, September 10th. He recorded that.

[Aryan]

That's wild.

[Big T]

Genius. Absolute genius.

[Aryan]

By the way, if. If something like. Aaron, you're saying that if Kobe, if that death were to happen right now, you would just put off all plans for the rest of the day.

[Big T]

I did. We were. I was actually recording something. We were. I was doing something for. What was it? I believe it was espn. It was. Victor Cruz was in my house and we were recording.

[Aryan]

I forget what it was.

[Big T]

Oh, it was about my music, I think. Like, what are you doing now? Type thing. And the news hit and we all just like stopped. Everything stopped for the day. I. Grown man was crying. I was crying, dog. This was crazy. Yeah. I didn't do anything for the whole day. I couldn't. Kobe was like my dog. That's like. I don't know. I had this post on Instagram a long time ago. When I put it up first, it's like a part of. It's like. It's like you witnessing your own mortality in a sense. Because like, he was, for me anyway. He was like one of my childhood heroes. And so. So seeing him be mortal and he was still. He was young, 40 something. Right. And so seeing him be mortal and seeing him die was like a part of my childhood die. Right. It was like facing your own mortality, in a sense. And it was a very weird and eerie feeling that. And it was just a tragedy. Right. But selfishly, you see yourself in the. In the tragedy.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So, yeah, I put up. I didn't do that day.

[Aryan]

Big T saw Bad Boys for Life.

[Mac]

Yeah. Solid film.

[Aryan]

Do you think that you got to.

[Big T]

See Wedding crashes, though?

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Big T]

That's crazy.

[Mac]

Yeah, I know. I know. It's not that I don't want to see it. It's just. It's. It slipped through the cracks for me.

[Big T]

I would. I would rather you see that. What basketball game you watching tonight?

[Mac]

Houston. Texas Tech. Big game.

[Big T]

I think you would. It would be more memorable.

[Mac]

That game might be at 8, so I might have time before I think.

[Big T]

You should do it.

[Aryan]

I recommend the Rock.

[Big T]

Either one.

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[Mac]

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[Big T]

They would.

[Aryan]

They would send convicts to Alcatraz. If you fucked up in the other prisons, and the idea was, go to Alcatraz, get the life sucked out of you, learn how to be a good inmate, and then we'll send you back. It's like we'll. Rehab. It's prison for prison.

[Mac]

Tough place to be.

[Aryan]

Tough place to be. They instituted quiet rules, which is pretty crazy. During the 1930s, after it opened up, prisoners could not talk to one another in the cell block or in the dining hall. And each prisoner had their own cell, which is kind of nice. You don't have a cellmate, but you weren't allowed to talk.

[Mac]

Would you rather be in? I. I mean, I guess it'd be solitary if you had a cell to yourself or have, like, a really shitty prison roommate.

[Aryan]

Solid, like, not solitary to the point where you don't see anybody all day long.

[Mac]

Right. Because I guess you. You come out and stuff.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

And also solitary. You're. You're isolated in every sense. The word. You can't hear anything else. You don't see anybody else, even when they deliver your meals. It's like through a slot.

[Mac]

Right.

[Big T]

Door.

[Aryan]

I feel like having your own cell would rock in prison.

[Mac]

As long as you get to go out as long during the day.

[Aryan]

And it was 5ft by 9ft, which is a pretty small cell.

[Mac]

That's tough.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

So you had a bed. I think you had a toilet. You definitely had a toilet. And then you had, like, a little ledge for your desk and maybe a shelf that you could keep things at. But every morning you had to wake up, sweep up your cell, and, like, tidy up before you got let out for breakfast. You got 20 minutes to eat breakfast, which I can't imagine the food was too good. See, here's the problem with. With going to Alcatraz, and I think it eventually caught up to it, was that it costs so much money to run it.

[Big T]

Here's the problem with going out.

[Aryan]

Yeah, it costs. It's like going to Hawaii. Have you seen the price of milk in Hawaii? It's very expensive. Everything's expensive in Hawaii because, hey, we.

[Big T]

Don'T care about prices right now, brother. Yeah. We're buying American goods, and it's patriotic to buy higher prices.

[Aryan]

Okay, I agree.

[Big T]

All right.

[Aryan]

So, yeah, if you. If you're on an island. It just costs a lot more money to get stuff delivered. So the cost of running Alcatraz was, was very high. They would put all the inmates to work out there. So you'd be working on the docks. Like basically it was a self sustaining commune out there where it was like all the prisoners. You have to work to make this place viable and make this place go. So you're going to be in charge of maintenance and all this shit. They could not have newspapers or radios. If somebody wrote you a letter, they were not allowed to give you that letter. Instead they could. The guards would rewrite the words of the letter on a new piece of paper. So you can even see your loved one's handwriting out there.

[Big T]

That's crazy work. What? It was like a love letter. Yeah, you low key up that. You have to like. I want to fondle that, you know? Yeah. Crazy.

[Aryan]

The guard type it. Sit down. I miss your warmth. You re you rearrange my iud. But yeah, I'd say having your own cell would be preferable to, to anything else. The prison was also never full. There was always room for more people, which made it so hard to escape is because it was never overpopulated. So it had a capacity of 336. And the highest was 275. Oh no, it looks like it was. It was usually capped at 275. There was one point where it got to 320. And if you compare the population of Alcatraz with the rest of the federal prison population, less than 1% of people who were in federal prison were out in Alcatraz. Al Capone was one of the inmates out there. He was there for four years. He was getting into. He was. His brain was being rotted by syphilis at that point. But he was bribing a bunch of guards in Atlanta. And then they said, we're going to send you out to Alcatraz because we can't have you. He was like running his entire outfit still while he was in federal prison in Atlanta. And so they said, this is the one place we can send you where you won't run. So he got sent out there. He was convict number 85 and he was apparently a very good inmate there. He played banjo in their prison band. They were called the Rock Islanders.

[Mac]

That rocks.

[Aryan]

It's a good name. Yeah, it's a good name. And so he, he was writing songs out there. He wrote a song called humoresque. And in 2017, the handwritten lyrics sold for $18,000 Darren Ravel definitely bought that, right?

[Mac]

Could be in his collection of some of the most valuable MLK memorabilia known to man.

[Aryan]

Yeah, you. The lyrics were, you thrill and fill this heart of mine with gladness. Like a soothing symphony over the air you gently float. And in my soul you strike a note. Not that good.

[Mac]

Al Capone does my shirts. Good book though.

[Aryan]

Oh, I haven't read that kid.

[Mac]

Well, it's a kid's book.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mac]

But in. In 2005, a kid's book about Al Capone, it hit. Yeah, it was like the kid. The kid's family, like moves. His dad works at the prison or something, and then the kid, I think, like becomes friends with Al Capone. I forget the. It was good in O5 when I read it.

[Aryan]

MGK was also out there. Machine Gun Kelly. Nice. The original mgk. He was there.

[Big T]

I didn't know that. That there was an original Machine Gun Kelly because his name was so. I was like, that makes sense that he, you know, came up with that whack ass name, but he didn't even come up with that wag ass name.

[Aryan]

Does that make you respect our new mgk?

[Big T]

No, it's even worse. You took a shitty name, you chose a shitty name. I thought it was like, I don't know. Cats calls you that growing up. That's a horrible name.

[Aryan]

You don't.

[Big T]

Machine Gun Kelly.

[Aryan]

You don't think that in. In like the night 1920s, getting the nickname Machine Gun Kelly? That's a awesome nickname.

[Big T]

Dog nickname.

[Aryan]

I. I think you're allowing your. Your hatred of Cleveland's native son.

[Big T]

He is. Look at the la. Look at the last. Look at the last guy we're just talking about. Look at his nickname. What was his nickname?

[Aryan]

Al Capone, Scarface?

[Big T]

Hard Cold?

[Aryan]

Machine Gun Kelly is objectively a good name.

[Big T]

Kelly is not a unisex name. It's a girl name.

[Aryan]

Well, this was his last name.

[Mac]

I think it's his last name.

[Aryan]

His name was George. Machine Gun Kelly.

[Big T]

Whack.

[Mac]

Machine Gun George. That sounds dumb as hell.

[Big T]

It's the Machine Gun. That's trash. That is a whack name.

[Aryan]

Well, you say it's a trash name, but Backing Gun Eric back then when machine guns were like, relatively new.

[Big T]

You have a point.

[Aryan]

Yeah. It's like. Do you think tech9 is a shitty name?

[Big T]

Yeah, it's pretty whack too. Okay.

[Mac]

He fell off. He's dead.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Oh, I was gonna say he fell off hard, but I guess he might have. How do I. Yeah. I didn't know he was dead.

[Big T]

Wait, which tech9 are y' all talking about?

[Mac]

The rapper.

[Big T]

There's two.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Big T]

There's a battle rap dude I'm seeing.

[Mac]

The Tech 9 is 53 years old and. And still alive.

[Big T]

The regular rap. Yeah. So there's a battle rap dude named Tech9 that died.

[Aryan]

I think there might have been some shady going on with him you might not want to learn about.

[Mac]

With the one that's still alive.

[Big T]

The Battle Rapper.

[Mac]

Well, really, what was he.

[Aryan]

I might be mixing them up with somebody else.

[Big T]

I don't. Yeah, I think I could be out the loop. I don't know.

[Aryan]

I think I. I don't want to speak ill of the dead, but maybe I should. Let me see, because I. I think I talked to Ron about this guy.

[Big T]

He was funny, as though I might.

[Aryan]

Be wrong about him. Okay. Might be wrong about him.

[Big T]

Gotcha. I just think nicknames with guns in them are probably bad.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Oh, yep. No, I was right. Child porn.

[Big T]

Yeah. Oh, really?

[Aryan]

Yeah. The Battle Rapper.

[Mac]

So are you on record? Good thing he's dead.

[Aryan]

I. I don't think.

[Big T]

You lacing me with this? I don't. I don't know. What. What'd he do?

[Aryan]

Yeah, he was due to be arraigned on child porn charges.

[Big T]

So he killed himself? Yeah. Wow. I had no idea what a piece of that is.

[Aryan]

That is the battle rapper.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Aryan]

Tech9.

[Mac]

Not worldwide choppers.

[Aryan]

Not Caribou.

[Big T]

Louis.

[Aryan]

Tech9.

[Big T]

Damn. I didn't know that dog. I just knew he died. I didn't know he offed himself because of that. Jesus, that's depressing.

[Aryan]

Yep. So in the 1960s, they closed down Alcatraz because it cost $5 million in repairs that they needed to keep it open. And their operating costs, because everything had to be imported, was three times higher than other federal prisons. The island had no fresh water, so they had to. They had to take a ship with fresh water out to the island each week. So the daily cost for a prisoner at Alcatraz was $10.10 back in the 1960s, and the one in Atlanta was, like, $3 ahead, so they had to close it. But then there was an incident that took place there in 1942. The Battle of Alcatraz. Now, have you seen the movie the Last Castle?

[Mac]

Never heard of it.

[Aryan]

That's another great movie. That one's. I. I don't put as much. I don't look down upon you for not knowing the Last Castle, but it is a good film. It's got Robert Redford and James Gandolfini. Tony Soprano plays The warden in that movie, great movie, but the, the prisoners take over the prison and they like, boot the, the leadership out. So in 1942 could see smoke. People in San Francisco could see smoke coming up from Alcatraz. There was a group of prisoners. Bernard Coy, a bank robber, was their leader. They broke into the prison gun gallery. So Bernard Coy's job was to be a cell house orderly. He was like a trustee of the prison, so he had more freedom to move around the prison. And he came up with an escape plan. He noted weaknesses in the guard's routine, the prison security. He saw that the gun gallery was only protected by bars. There were no other obstacles in front of it. The guards had a regular routine, so it was easy to observe when the gallery would not be watched. So this guy, Bernard Coy began deliberately losing weight so that he could squeeze through the bars. So he went on a diet to get skinnier. He snuck through the bars, wiggled his way through, got the guns. The prisoners armed themselves. He set them free. They took several guards hostage. They demanded a boat to get them off the island. It became a shootout. The military came in to help the police and the guards. And they threw a bunch of grenades into the cell block that Coy and his gang took over. Set the whole place on fire. It was a big battle. After three of the ringleaders died, they finally gave up the struggle. Two guards were killed, 14 were injured. It was a two day long siege called the Battle of Alcatraz. That would have been, that would have been fun to observe from, like the San Francisco hills. To go out there with binoculars and just watch like the prisoners taking over the entire thing. Like you're watching a movie in real life. MICHAEL Bay movie.

[Mac]

How close would you want to get to a battle?

[Aryan]

No, not very close, but apparently that happened back in the Civil War.

[Mac]

Like, people would just go watch.

[Aryan]

They would take picnic blankets out to Gettysburg or to Bull Run and they'd set up and they'd wait for the, the battle to start. Then the cannonballs start flying, the musket balls start flying. And then everyone panics. They're like, oh, this is bad idea, and they get out of there.

[Mac]

If I knew I was a safe distance away, like, would you watch a war for 20 minutes?

[Aryan]

I think I would watch a war too. Yeah, It'd be very scary.

[Big T]

Is wrong with y'? All?

[Aryan]

I mean, if, if you couldn't go.

[Mac]

Anywhere you want to watch people not saying it's good.

[Aryan]

No, I don't, I don't want to. But if there's a massive battle, I.

[Big T]

Would watch a war. Nobody's going to put a gun to your heads and you got to watch this war.

[Aryan]

You wouldn't be.

[Mac]

We watch war on TV every day.

[Aryan]

You wouldn't be interested to see what's going on?

[Big T]

No.

[Mac]

We see footage of, like, people getting blown up.

[Big T]

Yeah. That is horrible. I choose not to watch that.

[Aryan]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Mac]

No, don't backtrack. Don't let him know.

[Aryan]

I mean, he's probably right.

[Big T]

Don't let him be. Would Jesus watch a war.

[Mac]

Big T. Nobody's saying it's good.

[Aryan]

Sidestep that landmine, maybe to. To note it down for history. I'd watch it as a historian. And then.

[Big T]

You're a journalist.

[Aryan]

Yeah, I take notes. Copious notes.

[Big T]

Crazy. Y' all are bugging.

[Aryan]

I would. I would just go out there and be like, F15. F15EX.

[Mac]

I had a plane question for you recently, and I don't remember what it was.

[Aryan]

Okay.

[Mac]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Doesn't do a lot of good. But I. I did have a question that I have since forgotten.

[Aryan]

Okay, well, if you remember it, let me know.

[Mac]

I will.

[Big T]

Is the amount of planes going down commercially out of the norm of what planes usually do?

[Aryan]

Well, globally? Because it hasn't just been in the.

[Big T]

U.S.

[Aryan]

I'D say the last few months have been higher than normal, and it's been planes that have a decent number of people on them. There are plane crashes all the time across the world, but it's usually very, very small planes. But, yeah, you've had. You had the one over the Caspian Sea. You had the one in Korea. You had the One in Washington, D.C. you had the one up in Toronto recently.

[Big T]

And these are commercials. That's. That's what. I don't know. I mean, a lot of times. So anytime, like, media is like an uproar about something, I'm usually skeptical. Just. That's my natural.

[Aryan]

That's my natural reflex.

[Big T]

And so, like, people all up in AR about the planes, and I was like, is it because planes be crashing? Right. I don't know if it's out of the norm, if it's something alarming, or is it just. Are we just. Products are subjected to the media's, you know, propaganda?

[Aryan]

No. Plane crashes. Generally speaking, plane crashes have gone way, way, way down. Because one thing I think the aviation industry does well is if there's any sort of an issue, they do a great job of finding out what the root cause was and then putting in some sort of procedure or making Some sort of change to make sure that doesn't happen again.

[Big T]

Gotcha.

[Aryan]

But, yeah, I don't. I think that they're. It's safer to fly than it has been, but recently there have been more commercial accidents.

[Big T]

I'm gonna take your word for it. Yeah.

[Aryan]

So according to this one article, the number of fatal accidents nationwide in January could tie with 2022 for the safest January on record. But that. That also means that it's less safe than 2023 and 2024.

[Mac]

Wait, what?

[Aryan]

January 2022 was the safest January on.

[Mac]

Record, and you just said this January would tie it.

[Aryan]

Yes, it could. But that also means that 2023 and 2024 was less safe.

[Mac]

Well, every other. Every other January ever would be less.

[Aryan]

Yeah, but you hit your peak 2022, and then you went down. Now you're back up again. I don't. I. I don't know the answer. I think historically speaking, it's probably safer to fly than it ever has been, but there have been some. Some big ones.

[Big T]

When them planes was. I think it was like. It's probably like two, three weeks ago. I checked tickets, and they were cheap as. I don't know if they're back. But they were so cheap, though, like, first class flight. Because I was. Remember when I was. I was gonna go to New York, I was supposed to go to New York, but thank God this podcast exists, or else I'd have been in New.

[Aryan]

York, sitting, doing nothing.

[Mac]

Was that on the show or did we cut that?

[Eric]

I think it was after.

[Big T]

Oh, really?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. So for those that don't know, I was supposed to go to the TGL league, and it was Jupiter versus New York, and for some reason, I thought it was in New York. I was literally about to book my flight, and you're like, I think this is in Florida. Thank God for y'. All. But anyway, so I was looking at flights, then it was like, first class from Houston, 400. Crazy.

[Mac]

I'm going to see what flights are to Houston this weekend. UT is playing baseball there. Should I come down?

[Big T]

Come through, bro. What's up?

[Mac]

Will you go.

[Big T]

If Big T's in town? All right, pause.

[Mac]

Hey, yo.

[Big T]

Hey, yo. Oh, you can't. Ay, yo. What? I paused it before. You know what I'm saying? So we had a chance to a yo it.

[Aryan]

So in the early days of Alcatraz, when it was a fort, the people they would put in prison, usually people from the US Military, they also had some Civil War sympathizers or supporters. They put Some conscientious objectors during World War I there and native Americans. And also they would put men in there for being gay. So in February 1918, the army learned that the Presidio of San Francisco was home to men who had sex with other men. So they investigated a civilian posing as a soldier. Military police became aware of two houses on Baker street where men were gathering with and engaging in sexual relations with other men. The military police lacked jurisdiction to. I don't know, not sure to do what. So they contacted the San Francisco Police Moral Squad, and they put the houses under surveillance. On February 16, officers raided the homes. They called it the siege of the two flats. And over the next 10 days, men were detained in the two flats for questioning. Anyone who showed up there was held. All the men were questioned until they signed confessions, gave the names of friends, and surrendered personal letters and address books. 11 men got arrested. A second wave of arrest soon followed based on information divulged by the detained men. All in all, 30 civilians and six soldiers found themselves behind bars. The six soldiers spent five months incarcerated in Alcatraz, awaiting their court martial. The men called themselves temperamental and queer. They spoke candidly of knowing of this identity from a young age. During the interrogation, Laurel Yeamans said that he had been temperamental ever since I can remember. Upon being asked about his temperamental inclinations, Garwood Simmons said, I knew inherently that I had some spirit in me that wanted to come out. John Bosworth said, this temperamental character is or was very largely something natural, a condition of mine, which I was in no ways responsible. Something born. So they found the six soldiers guilty on various charges. The men were dishonorably discharged, forfeited pay. Five were sentenced to be confined at hard labor. The sentences range from two to 10 years. For being gay in San Francisco. Pretty crazy. You know what? This will cure you.

[Big T]

You.

[Aryan]

You like. You, like, sleep with other dudes. How are you going to like Prison buddy? You think of that one? Not so funny now, is it?

[Big T]

They didn't think that one.

[Aryan]

They didn't think that one through. No, it was probably pretty bad. Going to jail was probably not fun for them, but still.

[Big T]

That's wild, though. And then San Francisco. San Francisco's like one of the gayest cities of all time now. Yep.

[Aryan]

So apparent. Apparently some of the inmate inmates liked Alcatraz. Like we talked about earlier, how it's a single cell, you didn't have a roommate. A lot of people like that, probably for security, probably just for privacy. Some people like the single cell. And apparently the food was so good that prisoners actually requested to be transferred there.

[Big T]

Wow. Yeah.

[Aryan]

The cuisine was the best in the federal prison system. They had grilled sausages, Swiss steak, spare ribs, stuffed peppers. One of the menus that they found from the 1940s had bacon, jambalaya, pork roast with all the trimmings, beef pot pie, anglais.

[Mac]

I would imagine while most things about being in prison 60, 70 years ago were way worse than now. I bet the food was better.

[Aryan]

You think it was cleaner?

[Mac]

Yeah, I bet it was actual ingredients. More real shit that, you know. Now they're trying to just as cheap as possible. I bet it was better back then.

[Aryan]

You're probably right. It was like free range chicken. Not because free range was even a thing, just that what it was how you made chickens. Yeah, you just had chickens outdoors.

[Mac]

Right.

[Aryan]

A cow that probably got slaughtered recently. Not a lot of it. Was hard to find a freezer. Also probably a. Yes. Food quality might have been higher. Also, the likelihood of the food being like rancid meat or spoiled, also probably higher. Yeah, maybe because of storage, but I hear what you're saying. So they also had hot showers. So authorities thought that by allowing the prisoners to enjoy hot water, they would be less inclined to try escaping through the freezing waters of the bay. They wouldn't be acclimated.

[Mac]

Look how good you got it.

[Aryan]

And probably also kept the. The inmates HRV levels way down, because taking cold showers, apparently that spikes it in the morning.

[Mac]

I know what that is, but why don't you tell everybody else?

[Aryan]

HRV heart rate variability. It measures the difference in time between each of your heartbeats. And apparently, if you have very low variability, it means that you're not as healthy overall.

[Mac]

Interesting.

[Aryan]

Don't ask me why. And then you. I've just heard guys like Huberman saying, first thing you do when you wake up in the morning, go stare at the sun and dip into a cold plunge. Not actually stare at the sun, but get sunlight on your skin, in your eyes. So, yeah, they. They thought that if they gave them hot showers, they would feel the. The water of the bay and be like this. I'm not going in there. And if you were good, you could get privileges. You could work on the island. You could play music like Al Capone. They had softball out there so you could play ball with the fellas. Besides the fact that you're around violent criminals, Alcatraz just seems like extended summer camp, doesn't it? Yeah. Good food. You got the band going.

[Mac]

Do they. Do they have softball in prison still?

[Aryan]

I doubt it.

[Mac]

I don't know that I've heard of that.

[Aryan]

My guess is they probably don't let you use bats. You would think that would be the one thing. Yeah. A kickball, maybe. I guess I can see kickball. I was a menace at kickball, where it would just. Oh, I just tow it.

[Mac]

I was an animal.

[Aryan]

I can see that. I can see you stepping up there, just straight ahead, toeing the middle of the ball.

[Mac]

Why do you. Why do you presume that I kicked it inefficiently?

[Aryan]

No, that. I mean, that's a very efficient way to kick a kickball. Sometimes.

[Mac]

I. I couldn't tell you how I kicked it. I just remember that it was dingers every time.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Would you. What position did you play?

[Mac]

Probably first.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Mac]

I'm not sure.

[Aryan]

You were the Ryan Klesko of kickball.

[Mac]

Nice.

[Big T]

Yeah. Damn, I miss kickball, man.

[Aryan]

Yeah, kickball was fun.

[Mac]

The fact that we've never played kickball here is crazy.

[Aryan]

It is insane. Yeah, kickball.

[Mac]

We need to get on that.

[Aryan]

I played a little bit when I was, like, right after college, you know, you moved to a new city, join local rec sports league. Did that. That was a lot of fun.

[Mac]

Got a buddy that's still doing kickball.

[Aryan]

Leagues still to this very day.

[Mac]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

At some point. Yeah.

[Big T]

With the red. Red ball.

[Mac]

I've never seen him play, but I presume.

[Big T]

Yeah, man. Just that sound. I can hear the sound right now.

[Mac]

Yeah. It's a nice. I don't even know how to describe it.

[Big T]

A boing.

[Mac]

Yeah. Yep. That's a good one. We got to play kickball here.

[Aryan]

I agree. What about. What were your rules at throwing at someone's head?

[Mac]

Encouraged, I believe.

[Aryan]

Thank you.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Mac]

I don't know that there was any rule against throwing it anyway.

[Aryan]

I never heard. We tried to institute a no headshots policy at my school.

[Mac]

That's dumb.

[Aryan]

It is dumb.

[Big T]

Them.

[Mac]

I'm sure the teachers may have done that.

[Aryan]

They might have. And it also. It's just like being in the NFL, where the game happens at such a high speed that if you're actually hitting, like, you can't try to hit somebody in the head.

[Mac]

And kickball, you've consented to. Bullets flying once you're out there.

[Aryan]

Agreed. And, like, you'd be. I remember there was a kid that used to slide, and one time I hit him in the head as he slid, and then he got up and started crying, complaining that I hit him in the head. It's like, dude, you just.

[Big T]

What a.

[Aryan]

It's Patrick Mahomes.

[Mac]

Yeah. That's kickball, brother.

[Aryan]

I'm coming in like. Was it El Shahir?

[Mac]

Something like that?

[Aryan]

Yeah, yeah. I'm coming in with bad intentions, but under, you know, the legal aspect of the sport, which is I'm going to get you out, but you're going to feel that I got you out. And then he slides, puts his head down into the line of fire. Bang, bang, play. All of a sudden, I'm kicked out for targeting. It was tough.

[Big T]

Why are you sliding and kickball anyway, bro?

[Aryan]

I'm trying to avoid this cannon.

[Big T]

Well, I got no wheels. That's what it is.

[Aryan]

That's true.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Aaron, I bet you would. I bet you would hit some balls that got, like, barely to the outfield and then just do an inside the park home run, and they try to hit you like, six times and miss.

[Big T]

I was a dog. I was a dog. Stealing bases, dog.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Mac]

Could. Can you steal bases in elementary school Kickball?

[Big T]

Hell, yeah. What?

[Mac]

How. How would they get you out? Yeah, they can't pick off.

[Big T]

You got to throw it. Throw it to the base. Right. Am I bugging?

[Mac]

I don't know. I. I don't have enough of a recollection to. To dispute it.

[Big T]

Yeah, I remember. Yeah. Because I think because people play bases, and so there was a first, second, third, and you throw it to the. Because you rolled it. You didn't kick it to the person you kicked. You would roll it.

[Mac]

Right.

[Aryan]

But you'd make the catcher throw you out at second base.

[Mac]

Right. But there's no chance of getting you out.

[Eric]

Maybe it's like softball rules.

[Big T]

Like, you can't leave until I might be missing.

[Eric]

They roll it until the pitcher rolls.

[Aryan]

It or until it crosses home plate.

[Eric]

Yes.

[Aryan]

You have to wait. Yeah. By the way, nobody has ever waited for the ball to cross home plate. And kickball, you're always a good, like, three, four feet minimum ahead.

[Mac]

We gotta play kickball. I. I'm clamoring.

[Aryan]

Can we do it indoors? I feel like it might be too small to do in this gym.

[Mac]

Like, our court's probably a little too. Too small. But, like, we could do it.

[Eric]

Yeah, you could. I feel like if. If home plate is right in front of the golf simulator.

[Mac]

We could do it.

[Eric]

You can do it like we're going.

[Aryan]

To do it at. At summer camp this year. How about that?

[Mac]

Okay.

[Eric]

Oh, that's perfect. But that's so far.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Big T won't have a broken elbow this time.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

This will be my first. First barstool summer camp.

[Big T]

That Is.

[Aryan]

There was also native takeover of Alcatraz. So Native Americans used to be incarcerated there late 1800s. And then in 1969, Native American activists occupied Alcatraz island for two years. Two years, because there was a treaty signed in 1868 called the Treaty of Fort Laramie, and it granted unoccupied federal land to Native Americans. So now that the prison's gone, that's unoccupied federal land. The natives were like, this is ours now. So there were nearly 100 Native American activists. They took over the island in 1969, and they took a boat to get near the rock. Then they swam ashore. They claimed Alcatraz by right of discovery. The protesters demanded the deed to Alcatraz. They wanted to establish a university and a cultural center there. They offered to purchase the island for $24 in glass beads and red cloth. That was the same price paid for Manhattan in 1626. So right off the bat, the public was behind the natives. Thousands of people went out there, including celebrities, hippies, school children, and Hell's Angels. They went out to the island over the next 18 months. But the small Native American leadership group could not control the situation. And there was a lot of damage that went that took place out there, including a fire that destroyed the lighthouse keeper's home, the warden's home, and the officers club. Federal marshals removed the last of the protesters in June 1971. Some of their graffiti is still there. And when the National Park Service rebuilt an Alcatraz water tower, it made sure to repaint the red graffiti that read, peace and freedom. Welcome home of the free Indian land. So that got taken out, too. All in all, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind spending, like, a week in Alcatraz.

[Big T]

A week?

[Aryan]

Yeah, a week under the old conditions.

[Big T]

What was the prison population like? How many people was there?

[Aryan]

200. Around 270.

[Big T]

That's doable. Yeah.

[Aryan]

It's like a small high school.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mac]

I wonder if that's a really small high school.

[Aryan]

Yeah, if they had superlatives, that'd be cool.

[Eric]

Most outgoing.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Best swimmer. Worst swimmer.

[Big T]

Shout out to Alcatraz.

[Aryan]

Shout out Alcatraz.

[Mac]

Big news.

[Eric]

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[Big T]

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[Aryan]

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[Big T]

See app for availability terms apply. And that was Alcatraz with the boys and ladies. Good talk, good stuff. Wild about mgk, by the way. I didn't know that he stole that whack ass name, but Shout out to him for getting bodied by Eminem. Yeah, we'll see y' all next week. And yeah, like we said, like, subscribe, comment, whatever you want to do, man. Show us love. Happy birthday to Macro, Macrodosian and all the Macrodosians out there, man. Been four years, good ride. And we'll see y' all on the next revolution.