Augusta Conspiracies + Tim Miller On Trump’s Presidency | April 9, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing: Augusta Conspiracies + Tim Miller On Trump’s Presidency (April 9, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Macrodosing, hosts PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Big T, Jerry, Eric, Rianne Fran, and Mad Dog McKenzie dive deep into the traditions, culture, and conspiracies surrounding The Masters golf tournament at Augusta National. Highlights include spirited debate about Augusta’s exclusivity, its rumored “shadow government” reputation, course conspiracies, and comedic speculation about what average golfers could shoot at Augusta.

In the second half, the crew welcomes political journalist Tim Miller (The Bulwark) for a candid conversation about Donald Trump’s approach to foreign policy, the war with Iran, MAGA-era Republicanism, and the coming realignment in American politics.

The episode offers a blend of humor, sports geekery, in-jokes, and thoughtful political exchange, reflecting the signature Macrodosing tone.

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Augusta National: Tradition, Conspiracy, and Culture

The Masters’ Sacred Aura (03:38–06:46)

• The cast explores why The Masters holds a unique place in American sporting tradition.
• Eric jokes this is his “only conservative belief”:

  "The Masters needs to just stay like this forever. ... I'm very submissive to the idea of this." (03:58 — Eric)

• Discussion on whether Masters Thursday or Friday should be a national holiday, referencing its importance to American culture.

Augusta’s Business Model & Exclusivity (06:18–14:25)

• The group discusses Augusta's year-by-year TV rights dealings, rare for major sports.
• PFT: "There's just a few companies out there that—god damn it—they just work. Like Chick Fil A. They just work. Augusta. It just works." (07:23 — Arian)
• Merch controversy: Some fans claim Augusta is getting “too out there” with branding, referencing a “covidification of golf.”
• The Beanie Baby and “crack in the 80s” comparisons:

  "If there's a big demand for something and you cut off supply, that creates a bigger demand for it. This is basic economics." (07:40 — Eric & Jerry)

The Enigma of Membership and Shadow Government Jokes (09:41–14:53)

• Augusta’s membership is discussed: numbers, secrecy, how to join.
• PFT details attempts to uncover the secret list via FAA records, but “the lawyers got all the names redacted.”
• Wild speculation about the kind of people who are members (Condoleezza Rice, Bill Gates, Peyton Manning, Roger Goodell, etc.).
• Jokes about Augusta hosting shadow government meetings.

• “I would like to know what the most important piece of business that was ever done at Augusta National was.” (12:10 — Arian)

Augusta Content Controls & Insular Traditions (16:03–20:21)

• Debate over Dude Perfect being allowed to film trick shots at Augusta.
• PFT suggests the only reason Augusta would allow such filming is because a club exec’s child is obsessed with YouTube stardom.
• Augusta apparently reached out to Dude Perfect to reach a younger audience—a rare outreach.

  “That’s crazy that Augusta reached out to Dude Perfect.” (18:36 — Eric)

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Golf Fan Fantasies: Could a Regular Golfer Survive Augusta?

'Can PFT Break 110?' Challenge (19:20–29:55)

• The cast launches a running joke/pseudo-bet: What would a 16–20 handicapper shoot at Augusta?

  "I would bet every single dollar in my savings account that you could not break 110." (21:48 — Big T)

• Arguments about the greens, length, undulation, and “Sunday pins.”
• Eric (single digit handicap): “If I shoot 110, I’m stopping playing.”
• General consensus: Most amateur golfers would shoot well over 110-120 at Augusta.

Segment Highlights:

• The group speculates on a viral “putt-putt challenge,” where a regular person would try to score from the far side of each green.
• Listener poll results overwhelmingly suggest PFT couldn't break 110 at Augusta.

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Augusta’s Conspiracies and Secrets

Proprietary Phrases and Land Grabs (30:55–33:56)

• "A tradition unlike any other" trademark: PFT explains Augusta National now owns this iconic phrase.
• The club has spent decades quietly buying every property around Augusta National—except for one, owned by the late Elizabeth Thacker, which becomes a point of legend.

Course Maintenance Myths (42:03–46:00)

• PFT asserts Augusta spray paints their grass for TV, referencing his experience at FedEx Field.
• Questioning if Augusta eradicates wildlife to protect the course’s televised perfection.
• Jerry jokes:

  “They probably killed every deer in that area, and any wildlife in that area is dead.” (43:13 — Jerry)

Fake Bird Noises & the “Iron Dome” for Birds (43:49–45:26)

• CBS admitted to pumping in fake bird sounds to their Masters broadcasts.
• New York Post investigation found “no birds, squirrels, insects, or any other living creature indigenous to planet Earth at the Masters.”
• The group jokes about laser domes zapping birds out of the sky.

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Race, Class, and Augusta’s History (46:06–50:01)

• The panel briefly discusses Augusta’s not-so-secret racist history and evolving membership.
• PFT recounts the story of BoJack Walker, who went from shining shoes at Augusta to lightweight boxing champion—with a troubling backstory involving “battle royale” boxing among black teens for white member entertainment.

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Masters Folklore & Rituals

Par 3 Contests & Course Hacks (51:17–54:47)

• Discussing the frequency and spectacle of holes-in-one at Augusta’s Par 3 Contest.
• PFT: “It’s just like the entire experience…”
• Pro shop only opens for a couple of weeks each year, with tips for tourists wanting to skip lines during the Women’s Amateur.

The Culture of Spectating: “Save Your Chair” (54:52–56:03)

• Folklore that if you claim a spot with your chair at Augusta, it will not be touched—all patrons respect the tradition.

Phone Bans & Secret Surveillance (55:44–56:42)

• Phones must be left outside, with speculation about enforcing this rule in the era of smart glasses and spy cams.

Augusta’s Obsessive Cleanliness (56:43–57:00)

• No trash cans—Augusta employs roaming staff to personally take patrons’ trash, maintaining a pristine appearance.

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Masters Preview, Superstitions, and Final Thoughts

The Masters as a Cultural Event (63:54–64:32)

• Eric describes gathering with friends and their new tradition “Killing the Masters,” a black golf tournament in Houston during Masters week.

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Interview: Tim Miller on Trump’s Presidency, Iran, and the Future of Politics (67:31–124:17)

Setting the Stage (67:31–71:14)

• Host intros Tim Miller (The Bulwark, ex-Jeb Bush communications director, LSU fan).
• PFT summarizes the confusion around Trump’s “double-sided ceasefire” and the war with Iran.

  “We avoided nuclear Armageddon yesterday, so today should be a celebration.” (68:19 — Arian)

On Trump’s Foreign Policy & the “Money Keeps the Peace” Doctrine (71:14–75:26)

• Miller: Trump sees international affairs as business deals—pay off adversaries and keep everyone economically linked to avoid war.
• Concern that American foreign policy is veering into all-out transactionalism, with the Trump/Kushner family financially entangled with Gulf States.

The New World of Open Cronyism (75:26–78:06)

• Miller: The scale of financial conflicts under Trump eclipses Hunter Biden-esque scandals “by orders of magnitude.”
• Brief history of American political corruption for context (e.g., Roger Clinton’s 50k bribe vs. Kushner’s billions).

Trump’s Chaos as Strategy (78:21–79:32)

• Eric: “He’s desensitized the world to corruption and ... diplomacy ... just wild statement after wild statement ... now he just threatened a genocide and everybody's like, 'yeah.'"
• The normalization of political drama to the point that new crises barely register as absurd.

J.D. Vance, Political Chameleons, and the Republican Future (82:47–87:01)

• PFT: J.D. Vance is positioning himself for post-Trump leadership—straddling support and opposition to war for plausible deniability.
• Miller: Vance’s conversions (religion, politics) are “obviously fake,” but he’s in a jam because Trump will always be a “poster,” never retiring.

On Catholicism, Authenticity, and Political Conversion (87:01–89:00)

• Riff on adult converts to Catholicism as performative in politics.
• Notable tweet:

  "Every lifelong Catholic… just thinks we're supposed to give the food to poor people. Every adult convert... is quoting obscure rules..." (87:33 — Tim Miller, quoting a viral tweet)

Democratic Party after Trump: Can They Win Back the Middle? (99:18–104:34)

• Big T voices why he’ll “never be gotten” by Democrats—irreconcilable divides, particularly as an evangelical.
• Miller predicts post-Trump Democrats move left on economics, but right on immigration and crime, while staying socially progressive.

The Left’s Factionalism — Why Can’t They Unify? (104:34–111:31)

• Eric points out: Trump’s coalition welcomes the far and moderate right, but on the left, moderates and far left refuse to engage or form alliances.
• Miller: Both sides are to blame; the Dems' intra-coalition venom weakens their broader appeal — Obama and Zorn (in California politics) cited as rare figures able to unite the party's factions.

Kamala Harris and the Struggle for Sincerity (111:31–113:36)

• The group agrees Harris’s cautious, performative persona alienates voters, regardless of (misogyny aside) her record.
• Miller: Some candidates just can’t project authenticity, public or private.

What’s Next? Defining Issues for the Post-Trump Era (114:04–115:58)

• Big T: “What issue will define the next election now that ... that cult of personality ... is removed from the ballot?”
• Miller: The next fault lines will be around “America First” economic nationalism, technology/AI, and who best serves the American worker.

Dream Trump Interview Questions (116:03–119:17)

• If Miller could truly interrogate Trump: He’d ask about the family business, crypto, and why keep making new enemies (e.g., with Iran) when he could just coast.

Closing: LSU Football Schedules & the Real World (122:05–124:17)

• The conversation closes with LSU and college football plans, with Miller pitching a documentary-style trip into "enemy territory" at Ole Miss.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "The Masters needs to just stay like this forever. ... I'm very submissive to the idea of this." (03:58 — Eric)
• On Augusta's business logic: "If you cut off the supply, that creates a bigger demand for it. This is basic economics." (07:40 — Eric)
• “That’s crazy that Augusta reached out to Dude Perfect.” (18:36 — Eric)
• "I would bet every single dollar in my savings account that you could not break 110." (21:48 — Big T)
• "CBS … admitted to pumping in fake bird sounds to their Masters broadcasts." (44:00+ — multiple hosts)
• “I want to know what the most important piece of business that was ever done at Augusta National was.” (12:10 — Arian)
• Miller on Trumpian foreign policy: “He’s refashioned our democracy into looking … more like a Middle Eastern type, light authoritarian country where there’s bribes and payoffs and the president’s in business with everybody.” (73:00 — Tim Miller)
• “We avoided nuclear Armageddon yesterday, so today should be a celebration.” (68:19 — Arian)
• “He's desensitized the world to corruption… just wild statement after wild statement… now he just threatened a genocide and everybody's like, 'yeah.'” (78:21 — Eric)
• “Every lifelong Catholic… just thinks we're supposed to give the food to poor people. Every adult convert... is quoting obscure rules..." (87:33 — Tim Miller quoting viral tweet)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Augusta/Masters Traditions and Humor: 03:38–14:53
• Membership, Secrecy, and Club Culture: 09:41–14:53
• Dude Perfect Conspiracy: 16:03–18:36
• Could a Regular Golfer Break 110? Debate: 19:20–29:55
• Trademark Phrases & Real Estate Takeover: 30:55–33:56
• Augusta’s Painted Grass and Bird Conspiracies: 42:03–45:26
• History of Race, Class, and Augusta: 46:06–50:01
• Tim Miller Interview – The Iran War, Trump Money Machine: 67:31–124:17
• Unity on the Left and 2028 Political Fault Lines: 104:34–115:58

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Tone & Takeaways

• The show’s humor and irreverence shine through: hosts joke, riff, and needle each other about everything from elite golf to American shadow governments.
• When the conversation pivots to politics, insight is delivered with a mix of skepticism, resignation, and hope—for both the sport and the state of democracy.

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Bottom line: A quintessential Macrodosing, mixing sports tradition, conspiracy-theory whimsy, and sharp political analysis—with plenty of inside jokes for regular listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Arian]

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[Big T]

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[Big T]

Tim, remember when you went on, you went on KFC show and you were very surprised to learn that everyone who works here, aside like four people, are radical leftists. This is the Thunderdome. Okay, you're in. You're in it.

[Tim Miller]

No, I'm loving it. I mean, I think KFC was. Was milking things.

[Big T]

I promise you, he's not.

[Arian]

Welcome back to macro dosing. It's two or it's Thursday. It is April 9th and we got Jersey Jerry, myself, Aryan, Big t, Mad Dog McKenzie. And we're gonna have an interview with Tim Miller from the Bulwark in a little bit. He came on the show, we talked about a lot of stuff, but before that we got It's Masters week, which is pretty incredible. I'm just. I woke up this morning just hearing the.

[Eric]

Hey, Arian. Welcome back, dog.

[Arian]

Been a while.

[Big T]

You kinda. You kind of brushed that on.

[Eric]

Where you been at, fan?

[Arian]

I mean, just, I. I woke up this morning hearing.

[Eric]

How you doing?

[Arian]

Acoustic guitar of the Masters. The piano.

[Eric]

Hope your day's going well.

[Arian]

Hello, friends.

[Eric]

What you've been doing in the absence, fan?

[Arian]

Well, we talked to you last week.

[Eric]

Not really, though. This is the first time I see my Macro Dojians, like in the studio live.

[Arian]

You know what I'm saying?

[Eric]

Like, whatever. Not a big deal.

[Arian]

We did have you on the show last week to talk about the golf tournament. A Little bit, Yeah, a little bit. But it is good to have you back. I've also been gone quite a bit, so, like, we've been kind of ships in the night, but. Yeah. Good to have you back here.

[Big T]

Are we. Are we here? Are we here? Is everyone here for the next, like, three weeks?

[Arian]

Yeah, I might have a bachelor party that I have to go on.

[Big T]

Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Maxes for the week. Interesting.

[Arian]

Yeah, it's gonna be quite a bachelor party.

[Jerry]

Yeah, we're gonna Vegas same time as yours too, right?

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Eric]

When you go to Vegas?

[Arian]

A couple weeks. Last weekend's gonna go.

[Eric]

Oh, I'm going. I'm going next weekend.

[Arian]

Okay.

[Jerry]

You're not going to Big T's either, Aryan.

[Eric]

When is it?

[Big T]

Well, once PFT backed out, I. I was. I don't want Aryan, you know, to feel like he doesn't have any friends there and whatever, so I just didn't.

[Eric]

I got one.

[Big T]

I just didn't bring it up again. I know.

[Jerry]

Where's the bachelor party?

[Big T]

Big T. Denver.

[Jerry]

What are you doing there?

[Big T]

Braves are in town.

[Jerry]

She's just going to watch the Braves.

[Big T]

Yeah, watch the Braves. Go play some golf.

[Jerry]

Oh, okay.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Nice. I like that trip. That sounds like a good trip.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

We got a lot to talk about today. I want to talk about the Masters because, like, it. Once you reach a certain age, I feel like this whole week is all you. That's all you think about. Like, the second college basketball tournament's over. Like, I. I am full on Masters mode. I'm excited. I. I can't wait to see, like, the, you know, the. The sights and sounds of Augusta.

[Eric]

This the only. Like, we're gonna talk politics with Tim Miller in a little bit, but, like, this is the only conservative belief I have. Probably the Masters needs to just stay like this forever. Like, I don't want. No, I want. I wanted it to never change. That exclusivity. The. The. The prestiges of this got to stay the same in every aspect of golf. I'm like, you got to evolve. But the mass. There's something about this is just. I'm very submissive to the idea of this. That's kind of wild, actually, that I just said that out loud. But submissive to the idea of this

[Big T]

tournament keeping its pursuit, you know, online right now, there's a lot of people that are upset about the merch. They're saying the mer getting too. Too out there.

[Arian]

Like they've grown the game too much.

[Big T]

Yeah. Like, the hats that say, like, Pimento and stuff on. They're, they say it's the covidification of golf.

[Eric]

I mean, I'm all for keeping the Masters this own. Little like, you know how like all the YouTubers, they'll do like events or little videos at those places and the master's like, no, get the out of here. I love that, though. I don't hope they never change with that. I love that.

[Big T]

I, I, I, I don't think they will. So I think you're in, you're in a good spot.

[Arian]

I kind of like it too. Jerry. What? The covidification of golf. You're big. Like Covid change everything. Guy.

[Jerry]

Covid did change everything. Honest. Honestly, it really did. My, my thing is I, I know we're going to get to the Masters and whatnot, but I think it actually should be a holiday, like a national holiday one of the, one of the days. Maybe Thursday or Friday.

[Arian]

Probably Augusta.

[Jerry]

Yeah, just like Thursday to start off. I think it should be a holiday. There's got to be one holiday that we get off for that we shouldn't be getting off for. It should be the Masters.

[Big T]

But would you rather not have that be NCAA tournament?

[Eric]

And it's not even. Because it's a sport. I think it's just more of a, it's more baked into the tradition of America. Like it's Super Bowl Sunday and then that Monday holiday off.

[Jerry]

Yeah, I could see that. I like that too.

[Arian]

I think if you got Thursday off, people aren't doing at work on Friday. You'd have to give them Friday.

[Jerry]

Yeah, that's fair. It should be two days. I mean, I mean.

[Big T]

No, but that's why you do the Thursday. Because then everybody's like, well, Friday nobody's gonna just, just don't even come in.

[Arian]

Friday's a big waste. Waste time at work.

[Big T]

Yeah. So then everybody will just, just don't worry about it.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Yeah, I like that. I, I also agree with you, Aran, that it's nice they do things differently at Augusta and they kind of don't give a. And it works out that they make more money by not giving a. Because they. Oh, it's kind, they don't have a, a TV rights deal. They, they do it year by year. So they're on a one year deal every year with CBS and ESPN and most golf tournaments do like what, 20, 25 minutes of commercials per hour.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And Augusta does like four. Four.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And they, they're like, yeah, IBM, you can be a sponsor. You'll, you'll get your logo on the app, you'll. You'll have like the. The long form content. You'll get to do little documentaries about us moving a tree or some, and you're going to be happy with it. And then for some reason that makes. Since it's so exclusive, it makes them want to spend more money. Exactly. So they can charge a premium on it. And it. It just works. There's just. There's a few companies out there that. God damn it, they just work. Like Chick Fil A. They just work. Augusta. It just works.

[Eric]

We've seen it. We've seen it before. It's the Beanie Babies of golf. They just, they're in a unique position of creating their own supply in demand.

[Big T]

What an interest. I don't know that anyone's ever made that comparison before.

[Jerry]

You got any Beanie Babies, Aryan?

[Eric]

No, but I remember when it was hot in the streets.

[Jerry]

You go for a lot of money

[Eric]

right now, if there's a big demand for something and you cut off the supply, that creates a bigger demand for it. This is basic economics. And so the Masters knows it's not going there. It's one of the ma. It's one of the majors. Every major can probably do this, but this one's unique because it's at one spot. The other majors move around. Except for the Open. Right. The Open could.

[Big T]

Open moves around kind of similar to

[Jerry]

like crack in the 80s.

[Arian]

It does.

[Eric]

You're right. You're right.

[Tim Miller]

Right?

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Yeah. So it's kind of like the same situation.

[Arian]

Let's unpack that a little bit.

[Jerry]

Like crack in the 80s, like there wasn't a big supply. And then people started trying it and doing it, and then all of a sudden it was a drought. And then they just had millions and millions and millions of pounds of cocaine flood the streets of New York, Chicago. And that's. That's like the demand for. For it was there.

[Arian]

Yeah. So you're saying like, the Masters could. There could be a Masters every weekend.

[Jerry]

Correct.

[Arian]

And then people would, like, how many Masters would be too much for you for you personally to stop watching in a year? In a year, yeah.

[Jerry]

Over 20.

[Big T]

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. The 20, 21 masters didn't hit the same coming like five months after the other one?

[Arian]

No, it didn't. I. Well, so, Jerry, they could do more. But the thing about the Masters is, like, they. Their calendar is laser focused on this week.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

So like, when it comes to the azalea trees and like everything being in bloom, they will around with Mother Nature. And if the azaleas are starting to bloom, like, maybe it's been a. A warm spring, they might be blooming, like, two weeks early. They'll get a bunch of ice packs and they'll go out there and they'll put a bunch of ice packs down on the bushes to make them think that it's colder. So they won't bloom yet.

[Jerry]

Oh, my God.

[Arian]

Because they time it out to work. So the flowers operate on. On master's time. They know that they don't come out

[Jerry]

till this stuff gets pretty deep.

[Arian]

Yeah. Because they've got like a huge budget. The people that are members there, all, they. They have enough money where they won't miss, like a couple million dollars.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian]

So they can charge a premium for membership there.

[Jerry]

How much is a membership there?

[Arian]

I don't think we know.

[Eric]

It's not that much from what I heard. It's.

[Tim Miller]

It's.

[Eric]

They don't get.

[Big T]

You just can't get it.

[Arian]

Well, yeah.

[Jerry]

How many members are there?

[Eric]

It's just that I don't know, but I heard it's like. And I could be totally wrong, but this is what I heard from people that know people that know people. It's like 50, 40, 50 grand. Like, it's not that much.

[Big T]

Approximately 300 members at any given time.

[Eric]

That's how much my course had.

[Rianne Fran]

I mean, it says. It says initiation fees are between 250 to 500 grand.

[Arian]

So I. I think could be. Yeah. I think when it comes to Augusta, it's like, number one, the property is worth so much money that the club can take out a line of credit and just have however much money they need unlimited. But I think it's more about, like, they don't need a massive amount of cash coming in from their membership. They. If you're getting an invitation to join, you've already passed the background check. They know that you're rich as.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

You're like, in the top 1% of the top 1% of the top one percent. They keep it so secretly guarded. They never say, like, how many people are members. They never say who's a member and who's not. The Wall Street Journal tried to do a report on it a few years ago where they tried to do a freedom of information acting. And they. They got in touch with the local airport because the faa, the Federal Aviation Administration, they have, like. They have to keep track of all the planes coming in and out of all these airports. So they hit up the FAA to get information about whose planes were landing and Traveling back and forth to Augusta Country Club or Augusta National Country Club, and somehow the lawyers for the city of Augusta found out about it and they got all the names redacted.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Arian]

Yeah. From. So we. We don't even know, like, who's. We know that, like, Condoleezza Rice is a member there because I think she was the first woman to join. Really. And we've. We see, you know, certain people walking around wearing coats, and you're like, oh, that's. There's a member of Augusta. And then obviously, if you. If you win the Masters, then you have a membership for life. But, yeah, we don't know. We don't know who all is a membership. Who all is a member there. I did see yesterday they said that Trump won't be a member.

[Jerry]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Arian]

But that was. But Charmin that said that. I don't think that was anybody with any voting power at Augusta.

[Jerry]

I feel like they got somebody there that's running the country.

[Arian]

It's all. Yeah, that's the shadow government.

[Jerry]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Big T]

They probably have meetings there. Yeah, the shadow government.

[Arian]

I. I would like to know what the most important piece of business that was ever done at Augusta national was.

[Big T]

I bet you'd be shocked at how

[Arian]

high up it is, like, they decided who was gonna be the next president at Augusta.

[Eric]

Well, Bill Gates is a member there. Wild.

[Jerry]

Was Epstein ever. Remember there?

[Big T]

I don't think so.

[Arian]

I. I feel like Epstein was a little. Like, there's a lot of reasons why Epstein would not be. I would say he was a little tacky.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Like, guys like. Guys like Epstein flaunt their wealth a little bit.

[Eric]

Man's called Epstein.

[Arian]

That's the. I'm saying, from the Augusta national perspective, that's what they would say.

[Eric]

That's a wild description of Jeffrey eps. I don't know what I'd have heard that one.

[Arian]

Yeah. He flies in on his. And they're like the planes. A tad gauche, isn't it, Jeffrey?

[Big T]

But just think.

[Arian]

I'm not sure you're Augusta material, Jeffrey.

[Big T]

So the IBM executives are probably all members.

[Arian]

Yep.

[Big T]

So you have that sector of the world. We know Bill Gates is. I would guess there are some government people or people who've at least worked in the government that are members.

[Arian]

Yeah. But I think they try to. I think they try to steer away from polarizing people as much as possible.

[Big T]

I agree.

[Arian]

They want, like, the classy.

[Eric]

I got. I got one. I got one from my world that. That's. That's dope. Maybe the greatest Name of all time in NFL football history. But Lynn Swan.

[Jerry]

Wow.

[Arian]

Steeler.

[Eric]

He's a member of Augusta.

[Jerry]

Wow.

[Arian]

There's a certain type of person that, like, you. You could just see, even if they're not a golfer, be like, that guy is Augusta material. I think Peyton is a member of Peyton Manning, definitely.

[Jerry]

Oh, sounds like they got thousands of members. You guys are just rattling off names.

[Big T]

Name like 10.

[Eric]

I've got.

[Arian]

I've got one. I would put, like 500 bucks on Larry Fitzgerald.

[Jerry]

I could see that.

[Arian]

He seems like Augusta National.

[Eric]

No, I don't know. I'm not saying.

[Jerry]

Real humble guy.

[Eric]

I just don't know that he is. I love. I love fizz, by the way. That's a good, great, great dude.

[Arian]

Goodell is a member.

[Eric]

I hope he's not.

[Arian]

No, that's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing this now. This is the AI summary that I'm looking at. But, yeah, it's saying. It's saying Goodell's member there, I'm hating. But yeah, they. They limit the advertising that they can do there. They charge a premium for it. They probably have the number one, like, wealth demographic that tunes in to watch the. The content they put out. Like, the average wealth of a master's viewer is probably, like, way higher than the average wealth of, like, a super bowl viewer, for sure. Or the average wealth of, like, like major league baseball daytime viewer.

[Big T]

Rex Tillerson, former secretary of state, is a member. Okay, so you have that, like, I guarantee you some business has gone down at Augusta national.

[Arian]

Rex Tillerson is. Was very nasty to our president.

[Big T]

I don't remember much of his tenure.

[Arian]

Nasty, nasty man. Said some very, very mean stuff about her leader. He was the secretary of state, though.

[Big T]

Sam Nunn, former Georgia U. S. Senator Dwight Eisenhower.

[Jerry]

I had some new information a couple days ago about Augusta.

[Tim Miller]

Okay.

[Jerry]

Apparently, dude, perfect. Filmed there years and years ago. That's pretty crazy. And they didn't even play golf. They were, like, kicking stuff on the

[Arian]

ground and disrespectful to the course. Yeah, they did. Didn't they do a video with Bryce in there?

[Jerry]

I'm not positive on who the video was with. I just found this out the other day.

[Arian]

They brought, like, kickballs and tennis rackets.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, that's what I heard.

[Arian]

Yeah. Giant nerf bats.

[Jerry]

That's pretty crazy.

[Arian]

Yeah, you. That seems like something that Augusta would never.

[Jerry]

Is that video out there?

[Big T]

I'm looking at it. Yeah, it did. They're throwing nerf footballs. And how was this allowed?

[Arian]

Yeah, you have to imagine that.

[Jerry]

When was that?

[Big T]

There at Amen corner throwing Frisbees.

[Jerry]

When was that?

[Eric]

Wait, how did that. How did this happen?

[Big T]

This was uploaded four years ago.

[Arian]

My guess is somebody might have gotten fired. Yeah. For allowing this. But yeah, I remember when it happened. Just from like my. My small experience.

[Eric]

I know exactly how.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Bryson Dechambeau can clearly get on whenever he wants to go practice for the Masters. And he invited these guys on.

[Arian]

It had to be.

[Big T]

But to film this, they had to have clearance from Augusta Nationals. Not letting you film you kicking volleyballs out there. Like, they had top clearance, which I can't fathom how that happened.

[Jerry]

I couldn't believe it. I was like, you're lying.

[Arian]

Big T's, right. They had to have like clearance. And the clearance probably went up like three levels.

[Big T]

If they went out there with a bucket of. Of kickballs and hockey sticks and some. And they weren't supposed to do that, they would have. You would have never heard from these guys again.

[Arian]

My. My guess is that Dude Perfect has a massive, massive audience under the age of 1512. Yeah. Big, big time child viewer audience. I bet that somebody at Augusta has like a son or daughter that is huge fans of Dude Perfect. You're like obsessed, right? Obsessed with Dude Perfect. And so they wanted to be a cool dad.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian]

So, like, look, we got Dude Perfect out here.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

You want to come to work with daddy and watch Dude Perfect? It's probably like we've dealt with similar things like that with pmt, obviously not with like that young demographic, but, like, we've got a ton of interviews because, like a head coach's like 21 year old son is a big fan of barstool sports. And so they like, want to. They know that their son loves it. So that's how they first discover us. And then they want to be cool. So, like, oh, my kid will think I'm really cool if I talk to these guys.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And it works out for everybody. Usually that's what this seems like to me with Dude Perfect. But I mean, look, it's crazy.

[Eric]

No, you nailed it. So I looked at. I looked at how it happened, and the short answer was Augusta reached out to them. Wow. And they said that they. It's through a third party. And Augusta national chairman Fred Riley, they. They learned about Dude Perfect. They had like a trick shot content, I guess. 57 million YouTube subscribers.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

62 now.

[Eric]

Damn. And so they were originally, like trying to reach out to a younger audience. And so they got greenlit for doing that. And so, yeah, it was it was on the behalf of Augusta trying to stay. That's how to do fellow.

[Arian]

That's crazy that Augusta reached out to Dude.

[Jerry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

And they've never done anything else like that. No, never for or since.

[Arian]

I don't think they will. Like, imagine doing. They do Frank walks the entire course.

[Eric]

Had a good.

[Arian]

Actually, I would watch that. Yeah, I would. Frank Walk all 18 holes.

[Big T]

I would watch, like, you know, I'm a. I'm a casual golf viewer. When the Masters is on for the four days, I'm checking in and out. If they would play just like regular people at Augusta, just like dudes that are a 17 handicap, I'd watch every single shot. Yeah, I'm more interested in. In the, like, watching other people at Augusta than, like, professional golfers.

[Arian]

Yeah. See how hard it really is. Like, see. See regular people. Because when professionals are playing it, a lot of times, like, oh, that fairway is huge.

[Big T]

Right.

[Arian]

But then if you get a guy like me out there, I'd probably shoot my. Guess I'd probably shoot 110 at Augusta.

[Jerry]

Oh, way more than that. Are you way more than that, Eric,

[Big T]

with all due respect.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I would place every dollar to my name that you could not shoot 110.

[Arian]

You don't think I could shoot 110?

[Jerry]

We would shoot like 152.

[Big T]

10, maybe.

[Arian]

Are we talking about from the tips?

[Jerry]

It doesn't matter.

[Big T]

Whenever you want.

[Jerry]

The greens are insane.

[Arian]

I probably just exposed myself. I doubt that Augusta has, like, a wide variety of tea options.

[Big T]

You would.

[Arian]

I don't think they've got, like, the four different colors out there.

[Big T]

You would four putt every single hole, minimum.

[Arian]

The greens would be tough, but I'm used to four putting. Most holes, I don't know. I feel like I saw a video.

[Jerry]

Try it.

[Arian]

Let's try it. Yeah. Hey, Augusta National.

[Tim Miller]

Hey.

[Arian]

I. I heard that you guys reached out to Dude. Perfect. We're great friends of theirs. We run a lot of the same online spaces. Jerry also had a very successful show that he produced for children. Yeah, we'd love to get out there at Augusta national, see what the course had to offer. The line's been set. 110 over, under. I think I could break 110 there. Like, I.

[Big T]

Are you out of your mind?

[Arian]

I saw a video with a bunch of guys that play at Augusta and they're like, what would a 20 handicap golfer shoot there? And I think they said, like, they wouldn't break 100. And I'm a 19.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Arian]

By the way, trending trending down, getting better.

[Big T]

You're out of your mind. So, as a 19 handicap, you're usually shooting around 90 at, like, a municipal course, right?

[Tim Miller]

I.

[Arian]

My, yeah, my rounds recently, the last, I'd say like, 15 of them, have varied between 87.

[Jerry]

Wow.

[Arian]

And like, 95.

[Big T]

Okay, so you're adding one stroke per hole from that to Augusta National.

[Arian]

I can get some birdies.

[Eric]

You are.

[Tim Miller]

You are.

[Eric]

Shoot that, man.

[Arian]

I think it sets up nice for my shot.

[Big T]

You are so out of your mind. You don't believe this.

[Arian]

I think.

[Tim Miller]

I think he does.

[Arian]

110 is. 110 is doable. I would never. I would never say 100.

[Jerry]

Eric, 110 is not doable.

[Big T]

I. I'm dead serious. I, I, you know, people hyperbolize and say, I would bet every single dollar in my savings account that you could not break 110.

[Arian]

You know where I'd probably run into problems? Off the tee? No, off the teeth.

[Big T]

Everywhere.

[Arian]

Yeah, probably everywhere. Probably putting for sure.

[Big T]

Chipping, driving, staying in bounds.

[Arian]

Chipping. Game's been pretty damn.

[Eric]

Hey, I smell a little match coming

[Arian]

on pretty good recently.

[Big T]

No, I. I'm not very good at golf, but if.

[Arian]

If neither am I.

[Big T]

You're. You're talking about the. One of the toughest golf courses in the world.

[Arian]

Yeah, I think 110 is reasonable.

[Big T]

But here's out of your mind.

[Arian]

Two issues. One for me would be the putting. The second would be there. They're usually. There's usually one time per round where I'll hit a ball and it goes out of bounds, and then I take the drop from, like, up where everybody's playing already, where the ball.

[Big T]

Right. You're playing full rules, where the ball,

[Arian]

like, landed in the water. Occasionally, I will do that drop that's horizontal from, like, where the ball landed in the water when I should go back, like, a hundred yards.

[Eric]

Handicap on a question.

[Arian]

I try. I tried not to do that, but sometimes you get far enough down there and you're like, oh, I thought I was gonna be able to find my ball. I can't find my ball.

[Eric]

I guess that's why you hit a provision. I know.

[Arian]

I try, but. And then I. I do the, like, whole drop thing, and I try to follow those rules, but sometimes I drop in the wrong spot. I'll admit, maybe once per round, I'd

[Eric]

say, like, what's your hand again? Right now?

[Arian]

75.0. Wait, 0.75 times per round, I will drop a ball in not the correct location to take my penalty from.

[Big T]

Yeah, I'M asking Jeep, what you could shoot right now.

[Eric]

What's your, what's your, what's your handicap?

[Arian]

I believe it's a 19. I haven't been able to enter in a couple rounds recently on Ghin because it's outside scoring season Chicago, or at least it was. But I've been using 18 birdies, 1 10. So on 18 birdies I'm a ride

[Eric]

with big T on this one, on

[Arian]

18 birdies I'm a 16.9.

[Big T]

I mean, Arian, you don't think, you don't even think you could break 110 there, right?

[Eric]

Oh, what, are you kidding?

[Big T]

You think?

[Eric]

Yes, I'm absolutely breaking with it.

[Tim Miller]

What?

[Big T]

I'm a seven at Augusta.

[Tim Miller]

Yes.

[Eric]

What? 110. My G. Are you joking me?

[Jerry]

I. I don't know if they know the conditions.

[Arian]

I don't know if they know the conditions.

[Eric]

I haven't played. Hold on. I haven't played with you, like.

[Big T]

No, I know. I, that's what I'm saying. You're a, you're a pretty good golfer.

[Eric]

No, I'm like, I'm a seven. I'm a single digit head again. I can absolutely bring 110. If I shoot 110, I'm stopped playing.

[Big T]

I wouldn't bet on you not doing it, but I still, I still don't know. But you, you agree? Pft. Could not.

[Eric]

I don't know. So I think 100 is, is, is pushing. I think I could, I could, I could, I could, I could think I shoot a 95 there probably. But 110 is crazy. Absolutely.

[Tim Miller]

Yes.

[Big T]

For him, the whole.

[Eric]

They're not out him. I don't know. I don't think.

[Jerry]

Well, you know where you guys can do this at? There's a, there's a Masters kind of lookalike course. I think the Bryson that the pros

[Big T]

practice on, is it just Augusta. I know there's one that has holes from like different courses.

[Eric]

It's the, it's the greens. It's not. So Augusta's not like super. Like you heard Bryson say this and I mean he hasn't won. He hasn't won, but he was like, it's not that tough of a course. He's not wrong. Like, it's the greens, it's the undulation and like if they ever would let patrons on, they wouldn't have the greens at that speed ever. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like so, like at those speeds, them, them, them shits. I played a couple courses where the greens are like, pro level and all that. I always play from the tip, so I don't know. How long is Augusta? Check in for me real quick because I'm, I frequent courses that are like 72 to 7,400 all the time, and I'm sure it's probably a little longer

[Big T]

than that 75, 10.

[Eric]

Yeah, I mean, that, that wouldn't be like. So, like, I see par threes that are 230 all the time, and so that's not what's intimidating me. What's intimidating is the greens and how undulated they are. Yeah, I, I anticipate a lot of three and four putts for me, but that would account for, like, me shooting above 90s. There's no way I get to 110. I'm just, I'm just not that bad.

[Arian]

Yeah, there'd be some tricky putts. You probably wouldn't make a lot of birdies.

[Eric]

Yeah, I mean, if I make a birdie, I'm. I'm hype.

[Arian]

There'd probably be a couple fairways where you'd hit what you thought was an excellent drive and then it rolls off.

[Eric]

Yeah, but who knows, though? You know, golf's humbling like that. I'll around. We around. Go out there, me and you, Eric, and you shoot the 90 and I shoot the ones. And who knows?

[Arian]

That's what I love about Mystic Creek

[Jerry]

Golf Club in Arkansas.

[Arian]

That's what I.

[Eric]

That's.

[Tim Miller]

That's the dupe.

[Arian]

We'll have to go, apparently. What did Jeep say about. About like a 20 handicap golfer?

[Big T]

It. I asked about you specifically. It was misguided as to your handicap, so it gave a lower answer, but.

[Arian]

Okay.

[Big T]

What would a 20 handicap?

[Arian]

Well, no, my. So my handicap right now on 18 birdies is 16.9.

[Big T]

Yeah, that fake app that you use where you don't keep real score.

[Arian]

No, no, I do. I just type in the exact score that I have on everything.

[Big T]

This says, most likely for a 20 handicap, 105 to 115. Rough day, possible 115 to 125 plus.

[Arian]

Yeah, but I said good scoring conditions. Sunday pins. No, Saturday pins.

[Eric]

I like the ones I like.

[Arian]

I'm like, breaking down. No, like, Sunday pins would be tough, but Saturday pins I could definitely like. I know what the I'm doing.

[Eric]

What's crazy about courses like that is like, so that, that, like the legendary shot that Rory hit where he went

[Jerry]

for, he bent the tree right over the.

[Eric]

Over the tree, around the tree, bent it over. That's a par five. And he's going for a 200 plus yard shot. He's hitting the seven iron. He got hit a high. I'm never going for the green on a for on my second shot on a par five at that course. None of my shots are going to hold because I'm going to 207. Well, I might, that might be like a five iron, but it's just too much shit can go wrong. And you off the green now you chipping up. That's like a guaranteed double with all those different undulations on the green, like so it's like you. I haven't. Like it's never gonna go for two on that. Like that. That's why the pros are so much better than us. Like, this is no shot that would be a fun as that. That, hey, if I do that, you can kill me after that. That would be a lifelong dream.

[Big T]

So you were on the. You're definitely of the viral question going around. Would you rather play one round at Augusta or have lifetime tickets to the Masters? You would play once?

[Eric]

Oh, well, absolutely.

[Big T]

See, I think I'm absolutely the other way.

[Eric]

No, I mean, because like, if you get to play, you get to experience it better than you would as a fan you ever would.

[Big T]

But someone made a good point. If you go to the masters for 40 years, you're going to get to know somebody and maybe at some point you, you find your way out there.

[Eric]

Oh, I thought that. Okay, that's not part of the deal then. The part of the. I thought the part of deal was you can only play and you can never play. You can never play.

[Big T]

I think it's just you, you, you can pick one,

[Eric]

but anything can happen.

[Big T]

I guess if, if you never. If the only time you ever get to go when you play, it would only be fair that you can never. You can never play if you do the other.

[Eric]

Yeah. Under those circumstances, I'm picking play.

[Arian]

I just posted. We'll see what. We'll see what people think.

[Big T]

Wow, you're gonna get roasted. Yeah, no, no, but like,

[Rianne Fran]

I like how you specified. Excellent condition Saturday.

[Arian]

Yeah, excellent condition Saturday. Excellent scoring conditions. I also said if a, If a hypothetical unnamed 18 handicap played Augusta. What's my score?

[Eric]

I love how you split the difference between. Yeah. Between gin and 18 birdies.

[Arian]

Yeah, I did. In the. In an effort to demonstrate integrity.

[Big T]

Eight votes. You've got one right now.

[Arian]

Oh, it's 100% over. 109 and a half. Okay.

[Big T]

You have one vote out of eight.

[Arian]

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[Jerry]

Really?

[Arian]

Jim Nance invented it. But then Augusta national in 2014, they copyrighted it because anything that you say on the broadcast at Augusta, Augusta owns it.

[Jerry]

That's insane.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

So somebody can come up with a new catchphrase or something down the line. They could that that's theirs.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Arian]

Like when Scott Van Pelt comes on part of my take and talks about big Texas cinnamon rules, Augusta national could have a trademark for like nothing hits like a big Texas dash. Scott Finpel. Wow. There's nothing he could do about it. Yeah. Everything that that is put on the air down there is owned by Augusta national, by the golf course. And they also, they've been expanding over the last couple decades. They keep buying up all the property nearby the the golf course. And well, we can't even say like definitively that they keep buying it. It's a bunch of obscurely named llc. They keep buying all the property around Augusta, but a lot of them have names that are like the street address of Augusta National Golf Course. That's like the name of the LLC.

[Jerry]

Oh, interesting.

[Arian]

But they've for the last 25 years, they've purchased over $280 million worth of property nearby and just changed them into like parking lots and like media centers for, for Masters week.

[Big T]

There's one house that won't sell to them.

[Arian]

Yeah. So respect to that one lady. What's her name?

[Big T]

I'm not sure. But there if like it's in the middle of the parking lots, there's just one. One story house and they refuse to sell it.

[Arian]

I love that Elizabeth Thacker. So Elizabeth Thacker is her name. She has a house at 11112 Stanley Road. And her entire neighborhood has been purchased by these various LLCs run by Augusta National Golf Course. They keep trying to buy her house. She keeps saying no, and she just won't sell. I love that. Do you know she got offered. She passed away last summer.

[Eric]

Oh.

[Arian]

We don't know what's going to come of the house, but. But as of right now, like, it. It's not Augusta Nationals. They haven't sold yet.

[Jerry]

We don't know what. What they offered. Right.

[Eric]

What's wild about that situation?

[Arian]

You.

[Eric]

You know that she died. And you know that when they got the news, they were like, I mean, might be. Might be.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Eric]

That's fucked up.

[Arian]

Like the family.

[Eric]

No bim.

[Arian]

Praying on her down for. Probably gonna, like. Yeah. Make a big show of, like, paying for a funeral and being really sad.

[Eric]

But how. How did she die?

[Arian]

That's another fair question. It seems like. I think she was an older lady, but if I was in her family and like, you know that grandma and grandpa would never sell to Augusta, and you probably, like, fought that fight with him. Yeah, that golf course. And then Grandma. Grandpa passed away, and then you realize that you could make like $20 million off selling their house out of there. Yeah, that's a tough choice.

[Big T]

Would you like an update on your poll?

[Arian]

Yes.

[Big T]

All right, so 90% say over 109 and a half. Would you like to hear some of the responses?

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah, I would.

[Big T]

Whoever set this line, don't quit your day job. That would be a better over. Under for number of putts. The line should be 130.

[Arian]

130 is. That's crazy.

[Big T]

Whoever set this line should take a serious look in the mirror, brother. You're not breaking 120.

[Jerry]

Damn.

[Arian]

120 is not that far off from 110.

[Big T]

It's not that close.

[Eric]

I have a. I have something about that. Like, we'll be playing with guys, right? And we always usually bet for money and a dude. But I got you by, like. You only got me by like, four shots. I'm like, nigga, that's four holes I beat you on. What are you talking about? That is a lot of shots. Four holes you lost. That's a lot of the course.

[Arian]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Jerry]

When you break it down like that.

[Arian]

Yeah. I think we've. We've had a similar conversation. With maybe Max or Brooks. Like if you put my ball on the green on every hole, and I was hitting one from the farthest spot on the green from the pen.

[Eric]

Oh, I've heard this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Arian]

Then what would I show? I think I might be able to.

[Eric]

I don't think you break part.

[Arian]

I think I'd be in the seventies.

[Eric]

I don't think. Yeah, maybe. I don't know if you break 80. No, I'm saying. I'm saying low 80s.

[Arian]

No. So on a par five, though, like, I would add Augusta, I could four putt every single par five out there easily.

[Eric]

But, but here's the, here's the tricky thing.

[Jerry]

You're on the green not easily, but think about this. You're on the green, talking about this, saying you're gonna shoot 70 something in

[Big T]

the 80s, and then you're saying it 110.

[Arian]

I would hit my. I would hit my second putt, and I'd be like, I think I'm gonna lay up on this one.

[Eric]

Let me defend. Let me, Let me defend you here. Right, because getting on the green sometimes is, Would be.

[Arian]

You would be easier.

[Eric]

It'd be easier. It'd be an easier putt from where you land from your pitch shot than it is starting at the, at the far edge of the green because they're so undulated and you have such less ball speed control. So give me, Give me a, give me a 90 yard shot in, and I'm going. I have probably a better chance getting closer to the pin than I do at the, at the, at the far edge of the green at Augusta.

[Arian]

That's what I, that's what I want. Augusta. I don't need to go out there with like a Super Soaker and Koosh balls and like a trampoline and disrespect your golf course. Just shame and do perfect. Just let me tee off from the farthest spot on each green from the pen and see what I shoot balls in your corner.

[Eric]

Now, that would, because, because that debate so viral, that would do well for Augusta for them to do get a, a, a scratch 5, 10, 15, 20 handicap and see what they do from the far edge of the green. That would be an interesting.

[Arian]

Honestly, I'm, I'm a bad putter. It would make Augusta look great because it would be so challenging and I, I would struggle. But I think I could. I think I could be in the 70s. I think I would get birdies on all the par fives. I think I probably birdie a couple of the par Fours, birdies on all the par five. Yeah. No, I have to.

[Eric]

I think there's. What's the. What's the fastest greens you.

[Arian]

I think I could eagle the par fives there.

[Eric]

What's the fastest greens you. You've played on?

[Arian]

I mean, when I say eagle, I mean, like, from. Oh, no, no. Not playing golf. Like in putt.

[Tim Miller]

Putt. Yeah.

[Eric]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Arian]

The fastest.

[Eric]

I'm saying, what was the fastest speed? Like, what's the fastest speed?

[Arian]

I don't know. Like, the slope rules. But Pinehurst. Pinehurst was really fast.

[Jerry]

Where are they rolling at? 10?

[Eric]

I'm trying to see the speed of the Augusta greens right now. Okay. The speed of the Augusta greens.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Eric]

They typically run from 13 to 15.

[Arian]

That sounds fat. I don't know.

[Eric]

That's a public course. Is typically around 8 or 9, I think. I think that's probably a little faster than most public courses. Yeah, they say most tour greens run around 11 to 12. The fastest I played on was, like, 11, 5. And it was. It was st. It was stupid. I, like, the groundskeeper came around, and I was like, we know him. So I was talking to him, but I was like, what the are you doing?

[Tim Miller]

Why.

[Eric]

Why. Why are you doing this? He's like, you like them? I was like, no, dog. I am not on tour. Put this back. But, like, 115 was insane. 115 was insane.

[Arian]

13, 14. Wait. I'm trying to find what a gut or what Pinehurst number two green speed is. How do I find that out? 14 to 15 is what they're saying about. That's US Open conditions at Pinehurst.

[Eric]

So that's what I'm saying. They. They roll the greens different for public. Like, for tour events. They're just. They're not the same.

[Arian]

My guess is that's not. Probably.

[Eric]

It won't be fun.

[Arian]

Probably 10 to 12 is what Pinehurst was at when I played. It

[Eric]

could be.

[Arian]

And it sucked. It was very hard. But, yeah, I could do that. Listen, I. I would absolutely at least birdie every par five. From the. The putt putt rules that I. That I've got. I would get a couple birdies on some par fours, probably a couple bogeys.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I'd probably like five putt a couple of the par fours, and then the par threes would kill me.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Because what is it?

[Tim Miller]

The.

[Arian]

The 12th hole? That's the one that, like, kind of slopes off to the right. Yeah. And they do that Sunday pin where it's, like, tucked away in the back. Right. That would be a Tough putt for me to try to three putt those

[Big T]

barstool has been credentialed for the Masters before, correct?

[Arian]

I think so, Yeah. I think. I think four plays down there right now.

[Big T]

So what we need is you to go down there and have a credential and just find. You got to find somebody whose kid loves PMT and rig the media lottery, and then you play on Monday.

[Arian]

I also feel like I don't want to rig the media lottery because it's awesome when they have somebody that doesn't even play golf who wins the media lottery, and then they have to go out there and try to play.

[Big T]

Last year, the year before, there's that girl that had never played golf before.

[Arian]

Yeah. And everybody got so mad about that. I would just go out and I would do the putt putt challenge. That's what I would probably do.

[Big T]

Is that allowed?

[Arian]

I think they probably appreciate the speed that I was keeping up.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Like, when they let the amateurs out there, that's got to be the slowest round of all time on that Monday when they have, like, everybody that's out there has never played Augusta. They're probably, like, just taken in by the wonderment of the entire operation. And they, you know, every. Every swing they take, probably 30 seconds to hit. After they get up to the ball with me, put me down in the green, I'll keep it moving out there. Pace of play.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

But there's nobody behind you. It's not like.

[Arian]

Well, no, I think on that lottery day, there. There are a few people that go out there and play. I read a story.

[Big T]

I don't know how many. I thought it was just one group. I don't know.

[Arian]

I read a story about this. This one guy that won the. The media lottery, and he went out there and he got an eagle. What's the farthest par 5 that they have out there? Do you know the holes, Aaron? Investor the longest part five.

[Eric]

I don't. I don't. I don't know him by heart. Like, the Holly Grove corner or whatever the. No.

[Arian]

So what. Whatever their longest par 5 is. One of the guys that won the media lottery, he went out there. I think he was like, 30 years old, and he got an albatross on the par 5, and it was like the second albatross in the history of that wow. Of that hole. And then he begged the people that he was with not to tell anybody about his albatross. That. Because he took somebody else's media credential who won the lottery to play that day, and he was not supposed to be out there, so he had. He hit one of the best shots in golf history, and he was not allowed to talk about it for his entire life.

[Eric]

That's tough.

[Arian]

And then after he passed away, they. They started, like, slowly leaking the story out.

[Eric]

I'm letting. I'm letting that fly kiss my ass.

[Arian]

Yeah, I would, too. Like, what are they gonna do Augusta? They probably have their own police department, though.

[Rianne Fran]

Yeah, probably. But they can't take it away.

[Arian]

No, but they're authorized maybe to kill you. That would not surprise me if.

[Tim Miller]

No, not at all.

[Arian]

Yeah, Augusta. Nationally carry firearms. They're outside. They operate outside the bounds of the Geneva Convention.

[Rianne Fran]

They have bodies buried under the grass. That's why it's so green.

[Arian]

So I've always been a little bit of a conspiracy theorist about Augusta. I like. I like it. Visually, I think it's beautiful. I will always tune in and watch it. It's soothing, this.

[Eric]

But this butt sounds like it's about to be crazy.

[Arian]

They paint that grass. They spray paint that grass. Like, I. I spent about 20 years watching football games at FedEx Field where they put out green spray painted kitty litter for Redskins games and acted like it was grass. I know. I know the hue of a fake grass field. I. I feel like there's. I'm not saying they spray paint the entire course. I'm saying they probably use it for a select few holes, maybe some problem areas. I think there's a lot of green spray paint at Augusta, and I probably just talked myself out of an invite by saying that.

[Jerry]

What about. What about they have so much money that they just have the best of the best stuff?

[Arian]

They have that, too. You know, they have that for sure. It's like a combination, but things go wrong.

[Jerry]

Like, you get.

[Arian]

You get patchy grass sometimes. Yeah, you get, like, some deer that ate, you know, too much clover, and you're like, what am I gonna do? It's gonna be on TV next week. Spray paint.

[Jerry]

They probably killed every deer in that area, and any. Any wildlife in that area is dead.

[Arian]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. Jerry, you're not the first person to say that.

[Jerry]

Yeah, I mean, they.

[Arian]

They did some research. So this goes back to the year 2000. They had the PGA Championship at Valhalla in Louisville, and in the broadcast, there were a bunch of, like, bird experts that were watching at home, and they're like, what's all this noise that they've got going there? These kinds of birds don't live in Louisville. They're not Native to that area.

[Jerry]

Wow.

[Arian]

And they, they confronted CBS about it, and CBS said, yeah, you caught us. We've been pumping in fake birds.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Arian]

To the PGA Championship. Now, CBS also broadcast the Masters at Augusta. And people have accused them of having fake bird noises that they put. Like the falcons pumping in crowd noise. It's crazy. They've been pumping in fake birds. And then the New York Post did an investigation about it and they said there are no birds, squirrels, insects, or any other living creature indigenous to planet Earth at the Masters. Nowhere on the property. So they, they traveled around when they were at Augusta on a multi day quest for a single bird sighting. They saw zero birds for the entire day that they were at Augusta.

[Jerry]

Wow.

[Arian]

Yeah. But then the associate professor of biology at Augusta University said, our campus is loaded with birds. We have a pretty good diversity of birds. So I imagine that we have the same birds just over there. But then they. I don't know. For whatever reason, they're not. No one sees them there.

[Jerry]

They. They got to have like invis. Like, is it like an invisible dome? You can't see it, but it's just got a.

[Eric]

A great shirt you could wear if you go to the Masters. Pta. Where are the birds?

[Arian]

It's got the. It's got. It's the iron dome, but for birds. Yeah. Just like anytime a bird flies over a gus, a laser shoots done. Just fries. It

[Jerry]

just turns to dust.

[Arian]

Yeah. Where are the birds? I don't know.

[Jerry]

You.

[Arian]

Listen, Augusta, I don't want to be bringing these things up, but this is what you're gonna have to deal with. If I don't get the opportunity to putt on your greens, I'll go further.

[Eric]

You know what's crazy? You said you're gonna go.

[Arian]

I'm just trying to be a terrorist.

[Eric]

Yeah, it was crazy. Is it like I'm in somewhat of a cult. I don't know that there's anything that could deter me from. Yeah, they paint grass. Yeah. They put in bird noises. There's just nothing that could. There's nothing.

[Arian]

Nothing at all.

[Eric]

What if they kill all the birds and hide them underneath the underground tunnels? Don't care.

[Arian]

Could I interest you in some. In some racism? Oh, man, no. I mean, like, listen, Augustus had. It's been pretty well documented.

[Eric]

Lynn Swan.

[Arian]

Jerry. Jerry Rice. Is there. Okay. No. Ah, man.

[Eric]

You know, I. I mean, it's in the south, dude. I expected it, you know, a southern establishment made by white men since the 1800s.

[Arian]

Right?

[Eric]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's.

[Arian]

It's probably Gonna have its. Its fair share of history. We can't ignore history.

[Eric]

There.

[Arian]

There was a story, a. I believe he was a lightweight champion boxer named BoJack. He was a shoeshine boy at Augusta. I don't like that term. He was.

[Eric]

Yeah, he's crazy.

[Arian]

He shined shoes at Augusta.

[Eric]

There you go.

[Arian]

So as a youth, he grew up in the. The area nearby, and he would shine shoes at Augusta national, and he was also really accomplished boxer. So what they would do. This is actually pretty bad. Augusta national had a steward named Bowman Milligan, who was an African American. And every year, he would organize a battle royale where he would take about a half dozen African American boys or children that would fight each other in a ring wearing boxing gloves until it was last man standing. And the white men at Augusta would watch, and it was like an event that they would have kind of like a boxing match, but it was a battle royale. There was one kid, he was 15 years old, named Sydney BoJack Walker. And every time that there would be one of these battle royales there, he would see this as an opportunity to make money for his grandmother, to help feed his family. So he would take it seriously and just, like, go nuts. And he was a very good fighter. The steward of Augusta Milligan saw that this kid can fight. I want to hire him, and I want to work with the kid. So they hired him at Augusta National. He started shining shoes at Augusta. He introduced him to a lot of people that were members there, and they got a group of members together to finance this guy BoJack Walker's boxing career. And they sent him up to New York to train with, like, a professional boxing instructor.

[Jerry]

Like, custom auto.

[Arian]

Yeah, yeah. So. So the group of. Of Augusta national members pulled their money. They're like, let's get BoJack the. The kid that shines our shoes. Let's get him training for a real fight. So they sent him up to New York, and he beat Bob Montgomery for the lightweight championship belt at Madison Square garden.

[Eric]

Wow.

[Arian]

On November 19, 1943, they took every

[Jerry]

dollar he had probably.

[Arian]

They probably took all the money that he made them. His backers set up a reserve from his earnings to pay his taxes. So they did set him up for, like, like, financial literacy, being like, hey, if you do make money, this is where all the money goes. So Walker got back to the Park Lane Hotel. They had a post fight celebration with his backers, and they gave him 500 bucks. Like, thank you, congratulations. But it seemed like. It seemed. It's kind of a heartwarming story, a little Bit outside of the whole, like, let's make all the African American teenagers meet up once every couple weeks and get into a fight for our own entertainment. Yeah. But, like, them seeing some promise in this guy and him being the lightweight champion of the world. Pretty cool. Let's see what else we got there.

[Eric]

That's actually a wild story. I had never heard that.

[Arian]

Yeah. Did you know that there used to be a 19th hole at Augusta? Or they planned. They planned on making a 19th hole. I don't think they ever actually made it. Tell me about it. So I think it goes back to, like, Scottish golf or, like, I don't know, Irish golf. But at some courses, they'll do a 19th, double or nothing hole. So, like, you play 18 holes with your boys, you get beat, and then you're like, let's just do one more hole. Jerry, you can. You can identify with this.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian]

All right, one. One more hole for everything. Double or nothing. So there was, like, a tradition of having some 19th holes, and they planned on doing one at Augusta, but then the Great Depression hit, and they didn't have any money to build it the last hole, so they ended up not building it. And then Augusta national became like a. An institution. And by the time they had enough money to build it, they're like, no, no, we're not building a 19th hole at Augusta National Golf course. Like, what's next? Dude, Perfect gets an invite here.

[Big T]

I can't believe that happened.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

Pretty wild. I didn't believe it.

[Arian]

So Bobby Jones even signed off on having a 19th hole at Augusta. They called it a buy hole in Scottish tradition, but, yeah, they ended up not putting it in. What else we got. What else we got about Augusta, about the Masters?

[Big T]

Have you seen that? These guys are just dunking tee shots. In the par three contest, Windham Clark made a hole in one.

[Rianne Fran]

Keegan Bradley did, too.

[Big T]

There's been three.

[Arian]

They had speech.

[Eric]

They put it in, like. They put it in the places where the. The ball funnels for. For this.

[Big T]

Oh, really? I don't remember three in a day, though, before.

[Eric]

Those guys are extremely talented. But, yeah, they put them in places where the ball can fall.

[Rianne Fran]

No, but it happens a lot. Like, obviously way more regularly at the par three contest. Like, Gary Woodland got one two years ago.

[Eric]

There's a couple, like, caddies that. That had one, too.

[Rianne Fran]

Yeah, but, yeah, there's been three so far today.

[Eric]

Yeah. No disrespect.

[Tim Miller]

It was nice, but

[Arian]

what's your favorite part about Augusta?

[Big T]

Big T. I mean, it's just. It's just looking at it. Like, you see that 12th hole, it's like, man, I don't care what y' all do. Just. Just keeping on that tight shot of. Of that green. Like, hit it, don't hit it. I don't care. It's.

[Tim Miller]

It's just.

[Arian]

It's just like kind of meditation.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

It's.

[Big T]

It has not decayed at all throughout decades. It's just. It's beautiful. It's traditional. It's perfect. Everything about it's perfect. And Darren Ravel was shitting on. On the food, being like, oh, the pimento cheese sandwich sucks. The ice cream sandwich sucks. Like, dude, nobody is, is. Is picking the Masters pimento cheese sandwich over a rib eye.

[Arian]

Right?

[Big T]

It's perfect because it's A$50 and it's at the. The perfect place on Earth. And it's been. It's a food from 100 years ago, from, like, the Depression when this tournament started. Like, it. Nobody's saying it's the best food on Earth.

[Arian]

No. And it's easy to eat, actually.

[Tim Miller]

It stinks.

[Arian]

It's easy. It's probably pretty tasty. It's like a great snack food. It's $50, and you can. It's something that. It's a tradition.

[Big T]

Yes. It's a ritual unlike any other.

[Arian]

Some might say, careful, that's owned by Gus.

[Big T]

I didn't say the full thing.

[Arian]

Yeah, you said some might say, which probably grounds us legally. I think we're okay.

[Big T]

I just said unlike any other. I'm allowed to say that.

[Arian]

It's true.

[Big T]

You said it's a tradition.

[Arian]

I think that it's just like the entire experience. You know what I'm gonna do? I brought in. I brought in the Meta Quest 3. The like, 3D virtual reality goggles. I bet you there's, like, a sick walkthrough of Augusta that. That they put out on those. I'm gonna go look that up after.

[Jerry]

I don't think so.

[Arian]

You don't think so?

[Jerry]

No, I. I've tried to mess around with, like, the sims, all the different types of sims for Augusta. It's not on there. Yeah.

[Arian]

Could make a lot of money doing that. Yeah.

[Tim Miller]

Good.

[Arian]

The ice cream sandwich looks great. The candy bar, new addition this year. That also looks pretty good. Dark chocolate, crispy rice, I believe. Caramel. Yeah. And it seems like even the. The pro shop, which I think it's only open like, a couple weeks per year, right?

[Big T]

Yeah. I think it's just this week. And. And now they'll let you go the week Before. During the women's amateur tournament.

[Arian]

Yeah. Which is. Yeah. That's the time that if you want to go and like not have to deal with the line, go during that tournament.

[Big T]

Yeah. A lot of people been doing that.

[Tim Miller]

That's.

[Arian]

That's the. The hack.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Because you really. You want to just see the course there.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

You don't need to like the, the tournament almost comes secondary to.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

One of my favorite parts is. I don't know how true this is, but this is just the. The folklore that's around it is if you stake your claim at a spot that day, you can leave your chair there, walk around, and your chair gonna be back there.

[Arian]

I've heard that too.

[Jerry]

I've seen that on TikTok.

[Eric]

That's true.

[Big T]

You go. You go put your chair down and wherever you. It stays there.

[Eric]

That's. That. That gives me a little bit of hope in humanity. I love that. That's amazing.

[Arian]

But it's.

[Eric]

It's to the, to the credit of how they do things over there. They really care about the patrons experience. They care about the experience there. That's why they don't raise the food prices. That's why they have a certain standard. No cameras. Like, this is. This is an experience. We want y' all to experience this. And because you care about the experience so much, the people care about upholding that experience. It's beautiful.

[Jerry]

Where do all the phones go? And like a lockbox.

[Big T]

I think you just have to. In your car.

[Jerry]

In car usually.

[Tim Miller]

Gotcha.

[Jerry]

I wonder how many people get. I would love to know the number of people that get caught per year.

[Arian]

I'll bring in second phone.

[Jerry]

Yeah, phone. Meta glasses.

[Arian]

Oh, they're probably having to deal with that. This. Yeah.

[Jerry]

Meta metal glasses. Yeah.

[Eric]

I didn't think about that.

[Arian]

Or like a like spy cam.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

That they bring in. Yeah. I tell you what, I think the good.

[Eric]

The good thing about golf and that experience of the Masters is it's kind of self regulated. You know what I mean? I know they have a whole bunch of security, but it's like, it's. There's a certain standard in golf that everybody kind of like, yo, this is respect the game. And so like everybody kind of like self manages each other. Oh, this is another dope thing that I heard. It's like there's no trash cans. They have people that walk around with little bags and before you finish your. They're like, let me take that.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Eric]

And they put. They put their trash and they bag and they pouch. So they have hired trash People that walk around to make sure people don't leave trash on the ground. Fire dog, any.

[Arian]

Anytime. Like, you start to crumble up a napkin and somebody gets on a headset and they're like, we got a crumbler.

[Eric]

We got a crumbler on hold.

[Arian]

Seven. Move in.

[Big T]

Aaron. You know, one of the amateurs this year from ut, Jackson Herring.

[Eric]

Those guys. That's hard.

[Arian]

Could you.

[Eric]

Could you imagine being an amateur teeing off?

[Big T]

Like, who was the guy a couple years ago that was, like, top five into the weekend?

[Eric]

I think that was when Tiger won. His wasn't.

[Arian]

Oh, that was.

[Big T]

It was more recent.

[Arian]

I think it was Shipley.

[Jerry]

Neil Shipley.

[Arian]

Jmu.

[Big T]

Was it really? Yeah, I do remember that name. He went to jmu.

[Arian]

He did. He. I think Ohio State.

[Rianne Fran]

He transferred to Ohio State.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

I think he finished. Really?

[Big T]

Yeah, he had Sunday and collapsed. But he was, like, paired with Tiger.

[Jerry]

Yeah, he did get paired with Tiger. That's right. Tiger playing this year?

[Arian]

Tiger's not playing. No, no. Tiger's. He's out of the country right now.

[Jerry]

I did not see that. Wow.

[Arian]

Yeah. Now he. He might be getting treatment.

[Jerry]

Out of the country.

[Arian]

Yeah. I think ibogaine maybe, actually could be. What do you know about that? Because I. I've heard a lot about it over the last couple years. It's like a. I don't know if it's an opiate, but it is designed. It's a drug that's designed to help people quit opiates.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

It's pretty much like you, like, hallucinate for, like, a couple days straight. And then pretty much, like, rewires your brain. I. I just don't believe in any of that stuff. I mean, I know in some case, like, I have had buddies who's been out the country to do that and pay, like 15,000, 10,000 to do, like, that.

[Arian]

The quarterback did. Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, similar to ayahuasca.

[Jerry]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

But in some. I think one case, it actually did work for one guy. But the rest of them, I don't think it ever worked.

[Arian]

I think it's very. It's super high risk, high reward. Like, I have heard a lot of people say that it's the. The best way for them to quit taking drugs.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Is to, like, it reset something. But then there's also a lot of people that, like, when you take that, you go through, like, mental trauma, like, reliving.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Your past and, like, all the bad things that happened that led you to that spot.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Which some People have a tough time dealing with. But, yeah, I think. I think Tiger, he said that he's out of the country. He phrased it like, he needs privacy, and he can't get privacy in the United States, which is probably true. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, you might be right, Jerry. If he's trying to kick, like, a pill addiction.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Jerry]

I began.

[Arian]

That'd be one way to do it, probably. But no, he's not. He's not going to be at Augusta. But imagine if he was.

[Jerry]

Yeah.

[Eric]

We just showed up.

[Jerry]

What would happen if he just showed up?

[Arian]

I think that they would remember. Never mind. I've learned to not make certain jokes. Remember when Jim Beheim went back to Syracuse and they gave him a. A standing ovation. Yeah, yeah. It'd be kind of like that. I guess everybody, they're just like, be like, welcome back, Tiger. We love you.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

He was cleared in that.

[Arian]

I know, but you remember when he went back and, like, the whole arena, like, applauded.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

That was weird.

[Big T]

It's a tough circumstance.

[Arian]

Very tough circumstance. But, like, the. The standing ovation was kind of. It was strange.

[Big T]

What do you want him to do?

[Jerry]

Like, there's no way security would be like, yeah, you got to get out.

[Tim Miller]

Out.

[Arian]

No. Zero chance.

[Big T]

He's a member.

[Eric]

Hell, no.

[Arian]

Yeah, Tiger is. He is carte blonde. He can go there whenever. Like, that's the thing. If you get. If you become a member at Augusta National, I think you could probably hide out from the. The FBI there. I think it's like, they would protect.

[Tim Miller]

Probably.

[Big T]

It's like an embassy.

[Arian]

Yeah, they would. Yeah. Butler cabin.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

They are under no obligation. They can't go in to let troops in. Yeah.

[Jerry]

I'm starting to think he's going to show up.

[Arian]

Imagine. Imagine on Sunday. I think we just unplugged the microphone.

[Big T]

I got it.

[Arian]

We're back in. Yeah. Tiger on Sunday, just, like, helicoptering. That's been his dream. Like a Navy seal.

[Eric]

That'd be so sick. Yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

You know. You know about that.

[Arian]

Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

That he's, like, super obsessed with the military.

[Arian]

Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

And he would sneak away to, like, go to. To, like, military installations and go, like, hang out with the troops, and they put him through, like, the ringer.

[Arian]

That's maybe how he hurt his back.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

So I'd like to disclose, like, a little bit of medical information on this podcast. Is that okay? Yeah. My own medical information. So groundbreaking. Aaron, you remember last year at the. At the Ryder cup when my back locked up on me and I could Barely move. I do remember. So I finally got around to going to see a specialist about it yesterday morning and they did an X ray and I think they figured out what's wrong and it's kind of weird.

[Eric]

Broke back pft.

[Arian]

I think I'm missing a vertebrae.

[Tim Miller]

Whoa.

[Eric]

Like you just don't have.

[Arian]

I think most people have five vertebrae in their back. And my fifth vertebrae is like, it's fused to my tailbone, so I only have like four free floating vertebrae. And the fifth is just like an extension that comes out of my tailbone. And then that makes all the discs in between the lower vertebrae really, like put into strange, like squeezing positions that up the nerves there. So I've got like bulging disc, herniated disc, because I'm missing a vertebrae.

[Eric]

That's why you could never jump, though. That makes sense.

[Arian]

Probably if. Imagine how much taller I'd be if I had that extra vertebrae.

[Eric]

Yo, that's true. You'd be like at least 2 inches tall.

[Arian]

Yeah. How can we look that up, Big T? Can you search how long is a average vertebrae? And then you got to take into account PFT's missing and then a disc too. So it'd be one vertebrae and a disc

[Big T]

10 to 30 millimeters.

[Arian]

Okay. So that would be virtually nothing, 3 centimeters at the most.

[Eric]

But you gotta think he's probably, you know, hunching over a little bit more because of that. A little bit. But with you, you five. You five ten with that.

[Arian]

Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate that. We're gonna. We're gonna see. I got an mri, so they're gonna get in there a little bit deeper. But yeah, it was kind of weird to look at that on the X ray and be like, oh, am I a freak? When he first said it, my initial reaction was like, is he telling me that I have a tail? Like that I was born with like a. An internal tail. But no, it's just I got. I had pre Fusion. Like, Tiger woods had Fusion on his neck. Peyton Manning had Fusion on his neck. I had Fusion on my lower back before I was even born.

[Jerry]

Also, like 50 of people are missing ribs and they don't even know it.

[Tim Miller]

Did you hear that?

[Arian]

I've. Yeah, I've heard that. It's not like a uniform. Yeah, I forgot with teeth too.

[Jerry]

I didn't hear what teeth.

[Arian]

Some people might have, like, odd numbers of teeth in their mouth. Aaron, what else you got for this week? Anything?

[Eric]

No, I mean, honestly, I just been prepping for the masters.

[Arian]

I had. I like the dudes just like, dudes at home, they're like, yeah, I've been

[Big T]

prepping for the Masters, monitoring the situation.

[Arian]

I love that.

[Eric]

What. What's fact. Because you got to get together. You know what I'm saying? Where are we getting at?

[Arian]

Where we get.

[Eric]

Where we getting up? Where we going to watch first day, second day, third day, you know what I'm saying? Cats are getting together.

[Tim Miller]

Watching with your boys, man.

[Eric]

100%. We do have an annual thing that we're starting. It's called Killing the Masters.

[Tim Miller]

And

[Eric]

I'll send you guys the logo. But there's a bunch of. We have a. Like a black golf crew in Houston, and we all get together, we do a tournament the week of the Masters.

[Arian]

I like that.

[Tim Miller]

It's pretty dope.

[Arian]

Yeah, I like that. Well, that sounds fun. I hope everybody has a great weekend. Enjoy the Masters, friends. I hope that I'm rooting for Max Homo, rooting for Brooks.

[Big T]

This show's going to be the hardest pivot we've ever done.

[Arian]

It might be. Well, this is fine. This. At this point, if you do not want to hear us talk about politics, the episode is over.

[Big T]

No, but it's a great interview.

[Arian]

And so. Yeah, but if it is, really, you're that kind of person that does not want to hear Paul, which I'm not judging you for. Like, you probably hear about politics all the time on the news and shit. If you're not into that, now is the time where you can just say, and then, I will not. I will not hold it against you. Nobody. We still love you. You're still welcome back to listen. We appreciate you, but there are a lot of people that do like hearing us talk about politics. So we've got Tim Miller that's joined the show from the bulwark, and he's a former communications director for Jeb Bush. Please clap. Thank you.

[Big T]

That's for those unfamiliar. Very misleading as to what he thinks right now. If you just introduce him. Yeah, if you just introduce him as the former Jeb Bush campaign manager.

[Arian]

Yeah, well, communications director for Jeb Bush, lifelong Republican until 2016. And then I think when Trump went after Jeb, then at that point Tim was like, I'm never going back. So he is. He's voted Democrat for the last three years, but that's just kind of his background. Anyways, smart guy, interesting interview. I like him. And he's a die hard LSU Tigers fan as well. But if you want to listen now, here is the interview, and I think it's a pretty good one. So I think you guys will like it. And the interview will be brought to you by our great friends. Actually, what we're doing this week is we got a movie coming out from Magnolia Pictures, John Wick and Nobody, the producers of those two fine films. They are presenting Normal. It's a double barrel shotgun blast of pure mayhem. It's Bob Odenkirk, one of the best actors in America. He plays sheriff Ulysses, and he's got a new job as a temporary sheriff in a small town of Normal, Minnesota. And he was meant to take this job as a welcome respite from his recent troubles. But then a botched bank robbery interrupts the piece. Dark secrets exposed. And Ulysses discovers that the town of Normal is anything but. Directed by Ben Wheatley, starring Bob Odenkirk, Henry Winkler and Lena Lena Headey. Awesome, awesome movie. Normal. See it only in theaters starting April 17th. Bob Odenkirk plays a small town sheriff and it sounds. Sounds pretty awesome. I love John Wick. I love Nobody. I'm gonna enjoy Normal. And now here's Tim Miller. All right, we welcome on a very special guest to Macrodosing. It's Tim Miller. You've seen them online on the Bulwark. You've listened to the podcast the Bulwark. You're dominating YouTube shorts. I feel like. I feel like you're 50% of America's algorithm for YouTube shorts. So congratulations on that.

[Tim Miller]

We are dominating the YouTube sports space. It's important to dominate the battle space. I might say a little bit about your algorithmic choices, though. You might be betraying something about yourself, because my YouTube shorts is a lot of, like, twinks and Lane Kiffin.

[Arian]

I do have, you know. Yeah, I've got. I've got the Lane Kiffin part for sure. And from a distance, if you squint, you can't really tell which of those two categories it might be. But yeah, it's like I. I get a lot of Tim Miller showing up on YouTube shorts. I get a lot of just dudes playing three holes of golf and, like, posting their stuff.

[Tim Miller]

Like, I'm not getting that at all. That's totally outside of. Of the, you know, the gay YouTube short algo space. I get no golf, then I get.

[Arian]

Then I get just puppy content. I get a lot of dog content.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, no puppies either. So there you go. I'm telling you, it means you're clicking on me. It means I'm. It means I'm giving you dynamic, engaging content.

[Arian]

You crank it out. You guys put out a ton of content over there. So it's been it's been interesting to see a lot of stuff going on this week. This is actually probably a great time to have you on the show. Yesterday was one of the more insane days, I would say, like between Trump tweeting out or, excuse me, posting on Truth. He truthed in the morning that we were going to end people's civilizations forever if we didn't come to an agreement. And then magically, as everybody predicted, there was an agreement that they came to. And it turns out that we got everything that we wanted, we basically won the war. And now we've got two weeks where it's a double sided cease fire, which I'm not. Maybe you can enlighten us to like the difference between a double sided cease fire and a single sided ceasefire. But it seems like we've kind of, we, we avoided nuclear Armageddon yesterday, so today should be a celebration.

[Tim Miller]

I'm not, I don't know if I'm quite there on celebrating for the audience doesn't know I do have Trump derangement syndrome. So I just think everybody should take everything I take within that context, I own it. I acknowledge was a weird day. Yesterday my friend sent me like the local news. Like he just kind of recorded, he records the local news every day. Very strange choice by him but. And it was like the beginning of the show. It's like, hey, this is Channel four, five o' clock news. The President has threatened to end a civilization tonight. You know, and also, you know, we've got news and traffic on the tens. And I do think for people who don't like follow this shit closely, like this whole month has to have been a very weird experience. Right. Like he ran against going to wars. You know, if you're not like really a news follower. Iran didn't attack us like any time recently. And there's been history of attacks, of course, course. But there's nothing that preempted this really. And so if you're just going about your life, you have a job and then one day you go to the gas station, shit's a buck more a gallon. And the President's threatening to end a civilization. I think it's disorienting for people. And they're like, why are we doing this? What is happening? And that's not really what you're going for. When you're trying to get into a war, you're trying to be pretty clear about what your objectives are and why you're doing it and what, what the American people are going to get out of it. And that like never really happened here. We're taping this Wednesday morning. You know, we do have the quote, unquote, double sided cease fire, but like literally an hour before we came on the Iran News Service, obviously take that with a major grain of salt to saying that they're not letting some tankers through the Strait of Hormuz because Israel is still attacking Lebanon. The Pakistani prime minister, who I guess was brokering the deal, posted that there have been violations already of the ceasefire and he wants everybody to chill out. So, you know, we went through this with Gaza a little bit, like there'd be ceasefires and then they wouldn't last. So, you know, I don't, I think Pete Hegseth was taking a victory lap this morning. I'm not sure we're quite there yet.

[Arian]

Yeah, I did see a report this morning from Jonathan Karl, who is ABC News chief Washington correspondent.

[Tim Miller]

He said really legit.

[Arian]

Yeah, he seems like a big J, he said. This morning I asked President Trump if he's okay with the Iranians charging a toll for all ships that go through the Strait of Hormones cruise. He told me there may be a joint US Iran venture to charge tolls. We're thinking of doing it as a joint venture. It's a way of securing it, also securing it from lots of other people. It's a beautiful thing. So I, I'm just guessing. I, I feel like I've, I've gotten

[Tim Miller]

pretty good and their civilization yesterday. Today they're our business partner. Like we got a little joint venture. Get a little S Corp. Yeah, I know it's kind of a 50, 50.

[Arian]

I think I've become pretty good at reading between the lines of, of just how Trump lives. And it sounds like yesterday he, he tried to do a celebration for the cease fire and avoiding, you know, like nuclear Armageddon and brought us back from the brink of a massive, massive war yesterday. And so he celebrated that a little bit. Then he heard the pushback that actually contained in the, the cease fire. Was Iran kind of dog walking us when it came to taking charge of the Strait of Hormuz. And so now he's like, actually we're both thinking about doing this together as a venture. When I think that he's more wishing he had asked that yesterday.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I don't, I mean, I kind of always thought this would end with Trump paying off the mullahs. That seemed like the most likely end. And that's how he, that's how the Venezuela gambit worked. It's not like we got freedom for the Venezuelan people. We got rid of one communist dictator and then cut a deal with the other one where we get a cut of the oil. Like, we'll see how long that lasts. That's Trump's M.O. he always said that about Iraq. We should have taken the oil. So you got. You had to figure that's where his head was in this situation. It's just like, it's a lot more of a complicated deal. You know, there's a lot of more ins and outs and what have you in the Middle east than there are in Venezuela. And you've got, like, if we're going to be part of controlling the strait and getting a cut of this toll and Oman gets a cut and Iran gets a cut. What, like, how did UAE and Saudi and Israel, how do they feel about that? They were our partners in the war. They've got attacked by Iran. They're all still getting attacked by Iran this morning. And so you got to figure that they would not be in favor of that, but maybe they'll have to be because Trump's in a deal with them, too. Like, the UAE is part of a crypto. You know, they're in Trump's crypto coin with his kids. Saudi is invested with Jared, and he's just kind of refashioned our democracy into looking a lot more like a Middle Eastern type, light authoritarian country where there's bribes and payoffs and the president's in business with everybody, his kid's in business with everybody. And so I think that he thinks that you keep this fragile deal by just having bagmen everywhere and keeping paying people off. And as long as people are making money, maybe they'll stop shooting at each other. The conflict there, though, there's a lot deeper issues at play in the Middle east that maybe money won't be able to solve everywhere. We'll kind of see. But again, you're already seeing this. This morning. Lebanon was allegedly part of the deal from the Iran side that Israel is going to stop attacking Lebanon. Israel bombed the shit out of Lebanon this morning, and now Iran's not letting ships through. So we'll see how he navigates himself out of that.

[Arian]

So it's interesting that you were talking about, like, how the Trump has, you know, family members that are involved in the negotiation and they've got their crypto coins and their, their investments set up that seem to be all intertwined from a business perspective, which in a way could theoretically make everybody play nice. If they're all, if they're all kind of, like, playing the same Financial game. The old, the old McDonald's theory, which I don't think is true, but the McDonald's theory for a long time people would just repeat it, which is like two countries that have McDonald's is, have never gotten into a war with each other because ideally if you're a capitalist country, you're not going to sacrifice, you know, you're not going to screw up the bag for anybody. So like maybe if there's just enough corruption with all these governments and they're all dealing to each other, then they're not going to get into a war with each other because everyone's getting paid off.

[Tim Miller]

I honestly think that that's his perspective. And he's also a guy that like lives one minute at a time. Like he doesn't have a big, they've tried to refashion some kind of ideology onto him, some sort of America first ideology. And he gives these big speeches, but he just undermines the speeches the next day. He's trying to do this via deals. So again, we'll see how that works out. It's working out in the short term in Venezuela. The Venezuela situation is just a lot less complicated though. I mean Israel has legitimate security concerns. The other Arab countries have real financial concerns. A lot of people left Dubai, a lot of their energy infrastructure was hit. Right. So. And then there's the religious conflict there. You know, that is for a lot of people, sincere. Right. And so, you know, the idea that you can just pay people off like the same way you can in Caracas, I'm extremely skeptical that that is going to work. In addition to the fact that it's just not really, it's not in the American tradition. Like it's, it's also not completely to do that. Yeah, well, no, it's not sustainable and it's not, I don't think it's the kind of country we want to be. And there's a lot of outrage on the right about Hunter Biden selling his shitty paintings for a million bucks and the corruption there and how he's on the board of some natural gas company in Ukraine and Hunter Biden obviously shouldn't have been on the board of anything. But the scale of this is unlike anything in any of our lifetimes, any of our parents lifetimes. The idea that the president's son in law is in business with Saudi while he's the lead negotiator in a war with the country that is in conflict with Saudi and then he's in the Situation Room with no security clearance with Bibi When Bibi's pushing the war and like his brother in law is taking a half a trillion dollars from the uae, who's also a part of the war. I mean, like, there's nothing, like, there's no level of corruption or family financial entanglement that like we've ever had. And like, Jordan, you remember I was about to say George Clinton, he was a funk guy. Remember Roger Clinton? Remember the Rod. Any of the old. Sorry, Big T might not remember this. Us olds remember Roger Clinton, he was Bill's like, fuck boy brother. Well, Bill is the fuck boy too. They both were. He took 50 grand from the Gambino family to try to get some of those guys a pardon. 50 grand. And like, that became like this massive scandal about how like corrupt the Clintons were and all this. It's like, bro took 50, Grant. I mean, Jared, Jared is getting, you know, 10 figures from Middle Eastern Mullis.

[Arian]

Yeah, it's, it's, I think it's hard to keep up with. There's like a lot of stuff that's come out and it. Every new fact that I learned pushes one old fact out of my brain that I can't keep up with anymore. But that's, I think, also part of the strategy sometimes.

[Eric]

Aaron, that's what, that's what I was gonna say is I think the, for lack of a better term, the brilliance of what Trump has done is he's desensitized the world to corruption and desensitized the world to any kind of semblance of diplomacy. Like, he's kind of crumbled. And like, and when you say that to people who are Trump sycophants, they're like, Obama was the one that divided the country. Right? Which is just asinine to me. Like, I can't even, like, we don't live in the same reality, and I'm not even a huge Obama fan. But, like, it's just what Trump has done is constantly berated us with wild statement after wild statement after wild statement to the point that he just threatened a genocide. And everybody's like, yeah, it's kind of wild. What, like, and that's why. It's just. I don't, I don't, I don't know where we go from here. Because the interesting part is after Trump's term, hopefully the Republican Party's gonna have to run somebody and they've given up all moral ground for any kind of critique you have against any Democrat that runs.

[Tim Miller]

Well, man, I agree with most of that. The one thing I guess I would push back on to offer some level of optimism. I'm usually unusually kind of rain cloud. They called me rain cloud on the campaigns I worked on, but most of the campaigns I worked on lost. So I was always like, I'm reality cloud. Actually, I'm just telling you what's happening.

[Arian]

Tim, was you the exclamation guy for Jeb?

[Tim Miller]

I was that Jeb was. Explanation before I got there. If you would know. I was Jeb's communications director, and now the explanation point preceded me. There are other things you could blame on me. I. Do you remember the tweet he sent that was like, America, and then it was just like a gun?

[Arian]

Yes, I did.

[Tim Miller]

Okay. That one was my fault, actually. But here's why. Like, I was reviewing TWI to approve the tweets. Mm. So I was reviewing it on my phone, and, like, it was actually a fucking, like, a montage of different pictures when I looked at it on my phone. And so when it came up was like, the gun was one of, like, the pictures, but it was also barbecue and, I don't know, a church or something. I don't know. It's like a. It was a bunch of different things, but then when it went out, out, it was like just the gun. The gun.

[Arian]

Yep.

[Big T]

I. Tim, I.

[Tim Miller]

So that one was my fault.

[Big T]

This tweet until just now. And let me tell you, I think this tweet rocks.

[Arian]

Let me see it again.

[Tim Miller]

Okay, great. Is that so you can either blame me or credit me for that.

[Eric]

You're just ahead of your time. That's how most Republicans are running the gun.

[Big T]

So anyway, it says governor on it. It's a sick gun.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that encapsulates America, really. It was a little intimidating in the photo, but. But, you know, I appreciate the compliment. Yeah. The. What I was gonna say was about the corruption, man. And I do think that they're, like. It's why I like to talk about it a lot. Like, I do think that there is hope, actually. The people even within Trump's own orbit, like, maybe not the biggest sycophants, but other people. But even people voted for him. Like, they. They didn't sign up for

[Arian]

them.

[Tim Miller]

Paying more money for things and the economy getting worse and Trump's family getting the bag. I think everybody understood when they voted for him that he's not crossing his T's and dotting his I's on the paperwork and everything. And maybe some of his family's gonna make a little cash. And as long as they're making cash, I think everybody's okay with that. But as the economy gets worse, I do think people are gonna get pissed about the corruption and pissed about the big ballroom and the fact that he's putting his fucking name on everything and that his, you know, he's got generational wealth for Baron is doing insider deals, insider trading on Kelshi, on the war or whatever he's doing. Like they're all making insane amount of money, the Trump family. Like he's an actual billionaire now instead of a fake billionaire. And like if you look at other countries like the way that like a more rules based order, free market type pushback, you know, pro democracy pushback has worked in other countries against authoritarians is a lot of times like focusing on the corruption. Like that's what Navalny was all about against Putin until they killed him. Like he didn't talk about Putin's bad policies or stuff. He talked about how Putin was getting rich while people weren't making money. Like regular people, like people don't like that, you know. And so I do think, I think it's possible that that is something that ends up being his political undoing a little bit, particularly if the economy.

[Arian]

There's a, there's been one development in the last couple of weeks that's like stood out, more so than I've seen before and that's from within his own, his own administration. There seems to be like J.D. vance seems like he is trying to set himself up for whatever's next. So what I mean by that is he is simultaneously for the war in Iran and against the rant, the war in Iran. At the same time, he has, I think, put out a lot of stuff in the press, leaking information about the decisions to go to war and how the run up to, to these strikes have been carried out. Where it makes him seem like he was the only one really pushing back against Trump, telling him, don't do this, don't go to war. You're going to sell out the base that elected you to keep us out of foreign conflicts and focus on domestic issues. And then the second that Trump decided that he was going to go ahead and carry out the war, then Vance said, well, I'm going to support you 100% in this war. But just, just so you know, I am also 100% against you doing this war. And so it seems to me there was that and there's been a couple other things. He, he seems like a guy that I don't think was ever a true believer. I Don't think he was ever a die Hard, you don't say America first guy. I don't think he was ever a diehard MAGA guy. He called Trump Hitler in 2016 and I think he's been, he's been wooed by the Peter Thiel's of the world and groomed to be like the, the, the person who might be taking America into the next century of I guess, tech friendly capitalism, surveillance state stuff. And I think that he's got a lot of money behind him and I think that he is now trying to separate himself a little bit. We're starting to see the crack between him and Trump because he's thinking about the next iteration for him and how he is going to be the one that carries a torch. I don't know if you talk to anybody on the inside or what you've seen, but, but to me that seems like it feels like that's the direction that we're going here.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I had more sources on the inside in the first term because that was back when, you know, I was still quasi Republican and like my boss was Reincerybus, who was his first chief of staff. Even Susie Wiles was also my boss in a different, in a different world. And she's the current chief of staff, but she didn't reply to my last email. So I don't have like a ton of inside sources. But I can tell you this from the outside, something that's pretty clear, which is Donald Trump, whatever happens at the end of 2028, as long as he is on this mortal coil, like he is still going to be posting, he's a poster. Like he's not going to do what George W. Bush did. He's not going to move to Texas and like paint and like go quietly. Okay? Like that's not, that's not the guy I know. All right? And so for that reason, JD's stuck with him. JD stuck. You know, like you cannot really imagine a situation where JD runs in 2028. And it's like, you know, the Iran thing was really a screw up, right? And like if I was in charge, I would do it differently because like Trump would just shoot him out of the sky. I mean like Trump would annihilate him over that and you know, then you'd have whatever, Marco or someone else from the outside. I come in and try to take the Trump lane. And so I just think that he's in a very precarious situation. Jd, and like you said, he's not. None of this is really? That authentic? Anyway. And he's on his, like, third or fourth name, second religion, second or third political. Third political ideology. I mean, JD Was a never. JD Was me. I do take it a little personal. Me and JD in 2016 were both anti Trump, you know, like moderate Republican bloggers. Like, that's like, he was like, writing for the Atlantic. And David Frums, blogger, never Trumper. He double flipped. And then. Yeah. So, I mean, I guess kudos to him. He's in the vice presidents and I'm fucking hanging out with you guys and doing a podcast. But, like, it's fake. You know, it's fucking fake. Like, everybody can see it's fake.

[Arian]

We don't talk enough about the Catholicism as an adult. I don't want to disparage the Catholic faith. I know. Mad Dog McKenzie. You guys are Catholics. Yep. Kudos to you. I hope Cradle Catholic in your religion,

[Tim Miller]

but like, cradle Catholic.

[Arian]

Yeah. But here, choosing to become a Catholic, crazy being how old was he? Like 35 years old. And saying that seems like a lot of fun that I don't understand that mentality. It seems that also seems performative.

[Rianne Fran]

It is. It's also like being a cradle Catholic versus a Catholic convert are two very different mindsets. You have to be in, like me at Easter church on Sunday a couple days ago. My mindset is probably very, very different than what J.D. vance has cooking up in his for a lot of different reasons.

[Tim Miller]

But have you ever seen the classic tweet about this? It's so good. I gotta read this to you. This is a gray B. Wrote this. Every lifelong Catholic, every cradle Catholic I've ever met is like, I think we're supposed to give the food to poor people. And every adult convert is like the Archon of Constantinople's Epistle and the Pentecostine rites of. Of the Eucharist states that women shouldn't have driver's licenses. That's very, like. Right. It's like a very different vibe.

[Rianne Fran]

I always. Oh, sorry. I always say I'm liberal because I'm Catholic. And what I was taught in my 13 years of Catholic school leads me to be more progressive. And I think someone like J.D. vance takes that, takes the Bible and uses it maybe in a different way to fuel an agenda rather than help the poor and the sick and the meek and the mild.

[Tim Miller]

The other thing about the conversion, we should just say, like, again, say what you want about Trump. He's not my cup of tea. But I understand why people like him. But the idea that simultaneously you're converting to Catholicism because you're having this religious awakening and you want to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church simultaneously to that. You're also having a political conversion where you're like, I'm gonna become a sycophantic apologist of like the least Catholic person like ever imaginable to run the country. I guess it's just, it's hard to take seriously that it's all earnest. Like it's obviously, it's obviously fake.

[Eric]

That's what Dave Rubin did that to him, didn't he?

[Tim Miller]

Is Dave a Catholic? Is a gay Catholic?

[Eric]

I know he found God.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know about Catholics.

[Eric]

I don't know if he's Catholic, but he went from like an atheist to, yeah, atheist left leaning person to a Republican.

[Tim Miller]

It must be a Protestant thing. The Catholics aren't welcoming gay parent converts. It's not all that.

[Eric]

He has a whole lot going on.

[Big T]

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[Arian]

Tim, I want to ask you about, about the, like lead up to the war. Compared to how the ceasefire was handled and just based on, based on how I read, seems like Netanyahu like gave a PowerPoint presentation. Like he rolled into town like it was a business meeting and he had, he had a deck that was set up and he stood up there, he had his laser pointer and he was, he was a monorail salesman and he, he's like, here's, here's how we're going to conduct this war. Don't worry about the blowback. Their capabilities won't be, they're not going to be crazy enough to attack anybody else. It should be minimal. We should be able to accomplish everything in like A couple of weeks. And then Trump was like, okay, I like this presentation. I'm ready to sign on. I'll subscribe to your newsletter. And then the ceasefire feels like it was handled entirely without Israel's say so. And so I. I'm curious to know what you think, like, how is that going to play out behind that, Does Israel feel like now they got left out in the cold by Trump? Like, how's. How's that dynamic going to work out?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, dude, the Israel situation is so crazy. And I've, like, you know, being a former Republican, I got a lot of, like, neocon friends, pro Israel friends that have been, like, mad at me for saying just what is true, which is that, like, Israel dragged. Like, maybe dragged is overstated, pushed, cajoled, encouraged, whatever you want. Like, Israel, like, literally had the head of state come to our situation room and, as you say, give a PowerPoint presentation to convince Trump to get in the war. Like, obviously, we wouldn't have been in the war if Israel didn't want to get into it. Like, Trump wasn't. You know, Trump could have just gone to Cuba. That would have been a lot easier if Trump was, like, bored. He's like, I want to go decapitate another regime. The Cuban thing is closer. Like, you know, there's a lot less complications there. Like, the reason we went for Iran is because Bibi, like, convinced him to. So it doesn't mean that, like, you know, I don't. I'm not pushing some, like, anti Semitic thing about how there's like, a secret cabal of Jews that are like, you know, puppet mastering everything. It's just like, we just have to take everybody at their word for what happened, which is like, BB convinced them to do it. And so I think that obviously happened. It was a good, great New York Times, like, inside the room story on that that it seems like JD Was a source for, because JD Comes off looking surprisingly good. I don't know. Anyway, just one. One theory. I know how these things work. Usually the people that leaked to the reporters are the ones that look the best. In the first term, it was always. Jared and Ivanka were always the voice of reason. Remember in all the New York Times stories, it's like, I wonder how that happened. So that happened on the front end. And that doesn't mean that Israel controls us. It means that they took advantage of Trump's megalomania and desire to go do shit, and they told him that he was going to get peace in the Middle east and whatever. And so they worked him. And so now we're here and we're feeling economic pain because of the Strait of Hormuz. Trump's bored. And so he's like, okay, I want to out of this. I want to cut a deal, declare victory. Trump's good at that. Like doing something, declaring victory. But Israel hasn't had their objectives achieved. Some of them have been, to be fair, Iran has fewer missiles and ships and planes and anti aircraft material than they did a little while ago, a month ago. So Israel, I think, takes that as like a small win. Right. They feel a little safer, but the regime is still in place. Hezbollah is still in Lebanon, and Hamas isn't totally eliminated yet. And now if this happens, if Trump cuts his deal on the Strait of Hormuz, where there's like a toll, where the Iranians get money, they'll be able to reconstitute all that stuff. If they're getting money from oil prices and from the Tollen Strait, then, you know, maybe it's six months, if it's a year or whatever, but they'll be able to buy missiles again if they want to. So, like, Israel hasn't achieved their goal of, like, which was either eliminating Iran's ability to attack them or getting regime change. And so then the question is, what do they do? And I don't know. I mean, my guess is probably Bibi, like, chills for a little bit and it's like, whatever, maybe I can convince him again in a couple of months. And that's kind of what happened last time, right? Like, he, he convinced Trump to do the bombing of the, of Fordeau, and then nine months later was like, hey, you know, we gotta, we gotta go back in. Maybe he's gonna. That'd be my guess. And I, it's hard for me to get inside the mind of bb, but like, that's kind of how it seems. It seems like things are playing out.

[Arian]

Yeah, yeah, it's been, it's been crazy to watch. It does feel like there's a new twist every single day to, like, how this whole thing is shaking out. And honestly, when we first started the, the military operation, if you don't want to call it a war, um, I felt, I felt insulted. I felt like I wanted my government to at least try to lie to me about why we're going to war. They didn't even try to lie.

[Tim Miller]

Tell me there's weapons of mass destruction.

[Arian]

Give me, give me something that I can. Oh, I don't want a mushroom. I don't want the, the red flag. To be a mushroom cloud, you know, Like, I want, give me some rhetoric, give me something that is going to make me like turn off my ability to think critically about starting a war and get me mad enough and sell me a war. They didn't, I feel like, I feel like a cheap whore. They didn't even try to sell me a war. Feel used.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. And this is the thing from our perspective, man, and this is like, I just, if you just take the politics out of this, right? And you can't, but like, if you just take like the tribalism out of us, I guess, and you just, you know, you act like this is like NBA trade machine style thing and you're like, you put a generic person as the president where you take out your biases and you're like, here's the deal that we've got for you, okay? We're gonna cut. Some American troops are gonna die. Not that many, but like some American troops are gonna die. Energy prices are gonna go up. Prices are gonna go up for a few months, probably through the summer. Flight prices are gonna go up. There's gonna be global economic instability. We're gonna piss off our friends in Europe and Asia. We're gonna piss off Australia, okay? And like, and we're also gonna spend billions on this war. We're gonna have to like reconstitute the planes that we blew up and the bases that were attacked that all cost real money. In exchange for that, what we get is Iran has fewer ships and missiles and we traded out the 86 year old Ayatollah for a younger Ayatollah. I just don't think anybody would be for that. America First MAGA types would be opposed to that because it wasn't in America's interests. The liberals would be opposed to that because we're not for war in Iran. Like this is stupid. I guess the people that before it would be like the very pro Israel kind of right wing hawks like the Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro types. If you just pitched that blind. Here's the deal. Would you take this? I just think the only people that would have taken it are the pro Israel, like Ben Shapiro. Hawk ties.

[Arian]

Yes.

[Eric]

No.

[Tim Miller]

And yeah, you're right.

[Arian]

I like the, the, it's a bad trade machine analogy. And I mean even they're, they're losing. Alex Jones. Alex Jones said yesterday, like, I think that we should kidnap President Trump and we should tackle him and we should.

[Tim Miller]

He said kidnap.

[Arian]

He said we should. I might be putting words into his mouth. I don't want to like, listen I'm not going to go out here and, and slander Alex Jones. But he did say somebody should tackle President Trump and lock him in a room and tell him that he's still president and then let somebody else run the country. Which, honestly, that was my idea from like day one. I think that if you, if you did a reality show and you told Trump he was president, had cameras everywhere, you built a full scale model of the Oval Office and you just told him your president, let's just watch what happens behind the scenes as you run the country. That would be the best television show of all time. It would, it would absolutely dominate in the ratings. Everybody would pay attention. Everyone tell him, like, you're so great on tv, he would appreciate that too. But that's actually what Alex Jones is suggesting that we do now. And when you've lost the Alex Joneses of your coalition, it seems like, it seems like things aren't going so well.

[Big T]

Well, let me jump in here because I think I have a unique perspective as the only person in this room who doesn't like just out and out hate Trump. I do think he has squandered the best momentum the Republican Party's had in my lifetime, at least than I can remember. Like when, when Trump was elected, it seemed like there, there was a, a real force that was, that was. I think he's totally squandered that now. The Dems could never get me, Tim. No matter what happens, they'll never get me. But I have never, never. But I have friends that I not

[Tim Miller]

even like John Bel Edwards. We couldn't give you like one.

[Big T]

So, so that's where I'm going though, because I, they could never get me. But I have friends that I think they probably could under the right circumstances. But I think Trump has driven them further away. Like, instead of trying to come to more toward the middle, I think they're going further toward the left, which just creates a further chasm and more fights and whatever.

[Tim Miller]

So.

[Big T]

And you have an interesting perspective on this as well. As someone who worked in Republican politics. And now I guess you'd say you're an independent.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, people try to always. I'm technically an independent. I voted for the normal Republican who had no chance to win the Louisiana governor race against Jeff Landry last time. But like, I don't know, man, I voted for Hillary and Biden and Kamala, so I'm functionally a Democrat at this point. Like, that's real.

[Big T]

So I just don't know, like where, where do the Democrats go in response. And where do we've kind of talked about the Republican Party after Trump, whatever that looks like. I just don't know that it seems as ineffectual as Trump has been. It seems that the other side may not have an incredible strategy either.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. I just want to say at the start, I totally agree with you. Had Trump done nothing after Doge Trump just like Trump just chilled, golfed, Done press conferences. The Republic, the momentum he had in the spring of last year was very real. The cultural shift focused on random executive orders about dei. Like, this has been a mess of his own making. Like the tariffs, this war. Like the Epstein stuff. Like, it was like, he didn't have to do this to himself. I don't. I guess. Can I add, before I answer the Democratic question about where I think the Democrats are going to go, can I ask you, like, why it's. They're not. Why there's no way they could ever get you? Like, is there a specific issue or is it several?

[Big T]

I just, I don't feel there is any common ground anymore between myself and anyone running on a Democratic platform.

[Arian]

Can I, can I try to be a big tea whisperer here?

[Big T]

Mm.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I think the reason boils down to the fact that they're annoying.

[Tim Miller]

No.

[Arian]

Which I don't disagree with.

[Big T]

Big T. They are. Republicans are annoying.

[Arian]

But, like, the.

[Big T]

All politicians are annoying.

[Arian]

Like, they're. There's a lot, there are a lot

[Tim Miller]

of losers, I guess. Let me ask you, let me ask you about it this way. Like, just looking back, like where we're sitting today, like, I'm not asking you to, like, join the K hive. Put on a hat. Like, Democrats are going to get you forever. Like, you're going to be going to the conventions. Like, I just mean, like, when you're just making choices, I mean, the two party, like, you have to make a choice between two candidates. Right. Like, a lot of times they're not perfect choices. Like, looking back, you don't feel like, man, maybe just sitting it out would have been better than Trump at this point.

[Big T]

I mean, personally, I don't think, you know, I'm a. I vote, but I don't think it makes a difference. Yeah, I don't think, but not necessarily.

[Tim Miller]

Do you think you'd feel like things would be worse with Kamala or better? I'm not trying to do a gotcha. I'm like, just generally trying to understand your perspective so I can answer the question.

[Big T]

I think worse, but not tangibly. Probably about the same. I could never vote for, for a Democrat who, like, I just, I could never vote for someone like that.

[Eric]

A Democrat who what?

[Big T]

Who is vehemently opposed to my worldview.

[Tim Miller]

On what topic? So on social issues, economic, foreign policy,

[Big T]

I think economically it all kind of comes out in the wash at the end. But as an evangelical Christian, I find the current state of the Democratic Party just totally opposed to everything I believe.

[Tim Miller]

Got it. Yeah. No, they're probably not going to win you back. Then that's where I wanted to get out. Which, like, which, which element of the Democrats? I think that, I think that it is decently likely that the Democrats lesson from this last decade of losing to Trump is that the party becomes more economically populist. Maybe not all the way to Bernie, but no matter who it is, they have more of a big government economic populist viewpoint. I think that they have a fight about this and I'm hoping that the side that tries to move to the middle, unlike public safety stuff, wins. I think Defund is gone. I think open borders are gone. I think it will obviously be more liberal immigration regime than this horrific one that Trump is doing. We're like deporting the wife of a fucking soldier. We deported the wife of a soldier this week. Crazy. And so they're not going to do that kind of stuff. But I think that back to more of a more pro border security type thing that The Democrats had 20 years ago, 30 years ago. But I think their social issues and cultural issues stay the same. I just don't think it's possible for the Democrats to moderate on any of the, you know, whatever, lgbt, religious, like anything that you put in that bucket. I think they'll stay progressive. So I think. I don't exactly know, you know, how that looks. There'll be different kinds of Democrats, there'll be different infighting. But to me that seems like the most likely, like, kind of reaction to what has happened. Like moving a little left on economy, moving a little right on like immigration and crime.

[Eric]

That's actually what I wanted to ask you about. I saw a clip of you talking to, I don't remember her name, was a lady where you were defending, and not necessarily defending, but you were kind of going back and forth on Hassan.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, yeah. So long. Well, it was, it was an intra bulwark fight. I, I was like, I'm not. Well, I'm not like pro Hassan, but I was saying like, the Democrats need to like listen to the critiques and engage with the critiques from like the anti war left. And she was like, nah, that guy like that guy's anti Semitic and I shouldn't engage with him, and that's.

[Eric]

That. Is she.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know.

[Eric]

I don't know where she lands on the political side spectrum. I figured she was somewhere moderate to. Right.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, well, she's like a moderate. I mean, you know, she's a moderate. She's a centrist. She's functionally a Democrat now, because I think that a lot of, like the. The center. There are two types of moderate. Here's, I think, where this conversation gets broken down. There's like, the breaking points type of moderate. It's like, I'm left on war, you know, and like. And left on economic stuff, but, like, I'm right on social stuff.

[Big T]

You know what I mean?

[Tim Miller]

Like, that kind of viewpoint. And then there's like, the more traditional, what people think of as moderate. It's like fiscally conservative, socially liberal, you know, strong military. Like, that's really more. Sarah.

[Eric]

Got you. Okay, so what was interesting about the discussion, which is kind of my viewpoint, right. Because I'm, like, way farther left than you are. But what I found intriguing about what you were telling her was you were like, it's kind of what I say. Like, none of the candidates are ever gonna satiate any of my political beliefs. Right. But I think it's a very myopic worldview to think that you're. Every single one of your viewpoints is going to be massaged with a single candidate. It's just not going to happen. Right. And so. And so I always play the lesser of two evils. And I feel like that's. That's the goal of a society is to continually creep towards whatever it is that you feel is the betterment of society. And what I feel like has happened on the left is you have moderate Democrats that refuse to engage with somebody who's left as Hasan. And I feel like that's what made Trump the populace that he is, is that he brought the far right and the moderate right in a way that they could have a conversation with each other and. And converge and say, hey, we need to win these elections. And I think that we don't have that on the left, and I don't really see that happening. So I was going to kind of want to get your. Your. Your viewpoint on that.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I worry about it too, man. And I do think that. I think both sides are to blame. I think that, like, the far left. I don't know exactly what do you mean, why your views are far left? Like you're socialist or something. Like socialist.

[Eric]

So I, I'm not a capitalist. I'm probably anti capitalist, but I understand. I work work like I'm not like anti capitalist in a sense of like a demonize business owners and stuff like that. We all have to operate under the system.

[Tim Miller]

So you're not like pro Luigi?

[Eric]

No, I don't think you should murder people.

[Big T]

Tim, remember when you went on, you went on KFC show and you were very surprised to learn that everyone who works here aside like four people are radical leftists. This is the Thunderdome. Okay, you're in, you're in it.

[Tim Miller]

No, I'm loving it. I mean I think KFC was, was milking things.

[Big T]

I promise you he's not.

[Arian]

A fair way to describe would be like most people here don't care. Most people don't want to like, they don't want to think about it. They don't want to think about politics, which I, I completely and totally understand. And then outside of the people that are ambivalent about it, you have people that it's probably like pretty equal. I'd say like 50. 50 that I think about 50. Yeah, but I'd say what you said.

[Big T]

I major you every conservative at this company on my hands.

[Arian]

It's because you got a banger of a group chat going.

[Big T]

A couple of them are, a couple

[Tim Miller]

of them are in secret Trump vote. Let's just. Big T, what was the Trump Kamala percentage? Like if, if, if Barstool decided 70, 30, like who would 70, 30.

[Arian]

I don't, I don't think so.

[Big T]

100.

[Arian]

I also think that you'd have like 65, 70% of people abstaining from voting.

[Big T]

Like I'd say that's probably, that might be accurate but of the ones who voted, she was in the lead for sure.

[Arian]

I think it'd be close.

[Tim Miller]

I want to answer Aaron's question because I think that my view and I feel like I can do this because I'm an outsider. I was never a lib and so I'm just looking at this as an analyst. Both sides are fucking to blame. In the Democratic coalition, the DSA lefty types are so mean to the establishment Dems, they give them no credit for fucking anything. Joe Biden and Kamala could not have done anything and gotten credit. They just shit on them all the time. And so like obviously the listeners of those shows think the Democrats are weak because they get shit on all the time. And then the moderate Dems like won't even engage with the far left Dems and they just call Them names and whatever and say they're terrorists and anti Semites. So it's happening both ways and you got to figure out how to make it work. And my view is that Kamala got into the sour spot in the Democratic coalition where lefty types thought that she was a corporate shilling and like, centrist types. Like, my people, like, thought she was like a California liberal and were like, holding their nose for her and they're like, whatever. And so she was kind of in the wrong place for both. And like, to be like, Obama ended up being on the right place for both because he was so skilled, right? Like, the lefty people were like, oh, he was anti war cool. Like, he's a lefty. And then the moderate people are like, oh, he's doing the. There's no red states, there's no blue states where the United States thing. He's like a uniter guy. That's cool, you know. And so it didn't work on everybody like that and fool Big T or Fox people. But, like, within the coalition, everybody was like, felt like they were represented, you know, and like, that has not happened since him, Hillary or Kamala can do that. And I think that that's the challenge for the next Dem is like, figure out how to do that in a weird way. Like, Zoran is kind of doing it like, zo run again. He's not. Right wing people aren't. He's not winning over any of them. Like, within the coalition, like, the DSA types are like, hell, yeah, Zoran. And I'm just noticing in my world a lot of centrists are like, man, like, he's doing some, like, yimby stuff and, like, cutting red tape and like, he is, like, trying to sound normal anytime somebody like, asks him about whatever, from the river to the sea and all this stuff. Like, he's going out of his way to, like, reach out. And like, he came on my show and like, talked a lot like, you know, did some shit where he sounded like fucking. He could have sounded like Jeb in 2015 talking about cutting red tape and making things more efficient. And, you know, so I keys it's only been three months. Like, he might end up doing some crazy shit that. That undermines this. But I do think that's like, the challenge, like, figuring out if you're a Democrat, like, how do you let the left wing people say, know that, like, maybe you don't agree with them on everything, but, like, they can be excited about you because you really agree with them on Medicare for All or Israel or whatever, while also not coming off like an insane woke, you know, extreme leftist to the people in the middle. That's tough.

[Arian]

I think a lot of people's problem with Kamala was the fact that nobody really had a true sense of what she actually believed in. It always seemed like her finger was in the air, like, checking and making sure that she was saying the right thing. Like, she was very concerned about, like, the results of her last focus group.

[Eric]

Right.

[Arian]

And I think people are willing to overlook certain things in candidates as long as we believe that the person that's running authentically believes the stuff that they're saying. That can go a long way to covering up a bad candidate. And speaking for myself at least, I never got that sense from Kamala that she had, like, a set ideology that she truly believed in. I always felt like everything that she said was liable to change if somebody told her that it would gain her five points, you know?

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, man. And some people just have that, and some people don't, like, is being able to, like, Trump is obviously a bullshitter, you know, but yet some people feel like in some way they're getting his real sense, you know, essence, Right? Like, even though he's bullshitting them, like, he has that he's a good performer, and, like, she just didn't have that right. Like, even when she was being genuine, I think that people like you had that perception. There's maybe some misogyny there. But other women candidates have not had that problem. Jeb, kind of that problem. He's a man, you know, so it's like, I don't know. I hear that, man, and I got to hang out with her a little bit in private. And I say this, like, I do not mean this as. As slagging her because, like, I liked Kamala. Like, I liked her. I understand people's complaints about her, but, like, I personally liked her, and it was the easiest vote I ever made, picking her over Trump. But, like, even in private, sometimes with politicians, like you've always said about Hillary, I've never met her in private that, like, in public, she was very stiff and seemed fake. And then in private, like, she was cool and chill and she just couldn't figure out how to do it. And, like, I had some candidates credits like that. That was not common. Like, in private, she was the same. Like, I just think that she's kind of like a. And maybe. Maybe in private with loved ones, she's different or something, but, like, I just think she's kind of a cautious person and it presented that way. And, and I don't know. I don't know if that's fixable, you know.

[Arian]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think it is. It's funny to hear people talk about Hillary Clinton the same way that we talked about Belichick for years. Like he's actually really funny if you get him behind the scenes. Like we sat in a meeting and

[Tim Miller]

now we're seeing, now we're seeing the truth. Like, you know, yeah, Belichick lets it rip behind the scenes.

[Arian]

If she stepped out with like a 24 year old hunk of a man in this part of that would be funny. Big, did you have any, anything else, like any other topics that you wanted to get into with Tim? Because I know you were, you had a few things, you were looking a few more.

[Big T]

What issue will define the next election now that Trump is gone? Because now that that cult of personality, to whatever extent it's removed, is removed from the ballot at least like you said, he's still posting. But yeah, like it seems like there will have to be more issues based discussions.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I think number one, we don't exactly know what's going on with AI and like, and how much that develops and changes. Like big tech, tech oligarch stuff, tech control of our society I think is going to be one of them and then the other one, this is really an issue. So I don't try to duck your question because it could be a couple of different things. But it's like I think the big fissure, the big fight will be over the America first voter next time and the sense of not like capital America First Trump fan, but I care about the American homeland. Like you see this a lot in manosphere stuff. Tim Dillon types of types like I want the president to care about Americans first. I thought that Trump was going to do that. He got us into all that. He ended up caring about like himself and other rich guys in Venezuela and Iran and the ballroom and, and I think that like the Democrats are going to put up somebody to try to like, you know, maybe pitch a different type of America first. That's more like, you know, I want health care for people. I want, you know, people to be able to have childcare, you know, that, that side of it. And so I don't exactly know like where the fault lines will be on that. Maybe it'll be on health care, maybe it'll be on war. A lot of it will depend on like how the next two years ago. But like I think that that will Be the new. Like, my people were the swing voter for a while, like the college educated suburban Republican, you know, the Democrats are trying to win over. I think that the new swing voter will be kind of like the Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tim Dillon world.

[Big T]

And then if you. You've never interviewed Trump, right?

[Tim Miller]

No. We shouted at each other in a spin room one time. He told me heck of a job with Jeb. And then, yeah, I was asking him about how he was. About how this was in 16, so it was like he was still a business guy back then. About how all of his ties and products were made in China and how he's fake America first. Then he started shouting at me and I shouted at him. So never actually had it.

[Big T]

So if you could interview him, just totally off the record, not even to put out, just you're just talking to him. What would you want to ask him?

[Tim Miller]

Man, this is interesting. I thought about this the other day because his phone number was going around, and somebody gave me his phone number, and, like, random people are calling him, and I was just like, I don't want to call him because he's gonna bullshit. And, like, I don't. You know, if I don't have time, like, it would only be worth it if I could really sit down and, like, do 45 minutes and, like, dig in with him on one topic and, like, just be like, you know, hey, like, try to get through his bullshit. Cause he's so good at bullshitting. He's just so good. And I think it would be right now, like, the family business, like the crypto. I just think there are so many fucking questions. I think we don't know anything, like, about how that's going. And he might not even really know a lot. But, like, that's the thing, you know, why is he letting Jer. You know, Jared is running around making. His kids are running around. You can't tell me he doesn't know. You can't tell me he doesn't care about all that stuff. So I'd probably want to interview him about that. I reserve the right to change my mind on this because I'm just. I'm just going off the top of my head, but that's what I would think. What would you pick, Big T, Would you pick?

[Big T]

I guess I. Like you said, if he had just sat here for the last year and kind of just hung out, like, why. What is the need to do all this? Like, the war in Iran, nobody's for it. Like, I don't. I don't know anyone that's in favor. So, like, if I know plenty of, you know, Trump policies that were unpopular, that I knew people who were in favor of them, this one, I don't. I've never. I have yet to see a person. So I just. I would want to know why. Because it seems like you're doing yourself and your party and the country an incredible disservice. That's totally self inflicted.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah. Yeah. And if I was talking to him today. Yeah, that seemed. That feels like. That feels right too. So, yeah, I don't know. I'd be more interested in debating JD he's less. Or interviewing him because he's less good of a bullshitter. And I feel like we could really, you know, I feel like JD Would try to at least engage me. Like, I feel like we could have a real back and forth for like, if I had to pick between the two, I'd definitely pick him because I feel like we could sit down for 90 minutes and like, really, like hash shit out. And like, I just think Trump is a wall of bullshit. It's kind of like, I don't know, people get mad at like Maggie Haberman or some of these guys. Like, liberals get mad at them for like, you're not harder on him in these interviews. And it's just like, how do you, how do you deal with it? You know, I mean, he's just a force and like, just says whatever he wants. And so it's like, I don't know, the value of the interview is a little lower with him.

[Arian]

I think next time his cell phone goes around, you can feel free to send it to me.

[Tim Miller]

All right.

[Arian]

I would be happy.

[Tim Miller]

It might still be the same.

[Arian]

I'll be happy to reach out to President Trump and, and entertain a dialogue with him.

[Tim Miller]

Well, how would your interview compare with Josh Pates?

[Arian]

I think it'd probably be pretty similar. We cover a lot of the same stuff. Actually pointless for me to do it because I think, yeah, Pete did most of my already, so. No, I mean, I love the people.

[Tim Miller]

I love that he was like. But I love the pro is like, I just. He's really. He's a serious college football fan. And so I just really want to talk to him about college football. I was like, man, like, Trump. Trump isn't a fucking serious. You know, like, come on, man, like, Trump can't talk to you about the depth.

[Big T]

He doesn't like Army, Navy says it's bad football

[Tim Miller]

and he's got notions. He has the TV on in the background. But I think I talk with him

[Arian]

probably just talk Masters, which.

[Tim Miller]

Which, by the way, he could talk golf, dude. Yeah, he could talk golf.

[Arian]

I tweeted out yesterday, but it should have been a big, big red sign for everybody to not panic on Monday that, like, he is not going to blow up the world before the Masters. He is at the very. He's going to wait till after they put the green jacket on, maybe. He's probably going to take a nap, wake up Monday morning, then he's gonna be like, okay, now we can start the war. Like, that man is locked in on golf. It was never going to happen this week.

[Tim Miller]

Dude, that was such a good. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it when I'm jealous. I think it's true, though, because that's. That's my artistic canvas is x dot com. And so when somebody just really mogs me like that on. On Twitter, I get jealous.

[Arian]

I think that one is actually 100 true. And also, you look a little bit like Rory McElroy. Has anyone ever told you that?

[Tim Miller]

Dude, I hear this all the time. And it's. I have two reactions to it. Like, number one, like, my initial reaction is, I am so flattered because, like, Rory's hot. But then when I say that, like, my next reaction is, like, that's kind of weird. Do I love myself? Like, do I want to kiss my. You know what I mean? Like, do I need to see therapy about this? That I find Rory attractive. And so I get a lot. My younger brother. Youngest brother, like, even looks more like him. Like, my youngest brother is, like, very Rory. We're half Irish, half Lebanese, so I guess he got more of the Irish side. But there's something. There's something there somewhere up there in the chain.

[Arian]

I think you're allowed to be attracted to yourself. Nothing. A rod was very attracted to himself. He did.

[Tim Miller]

Well, yeah, that's true, but that's not. Nobody's trying to aspire to be like a rod. I don't know. I look down at the gay couples that are twinsy couples. I don't know. There's just something that feels wrong about it to me. I can't put my finger on why. It's kind of.

[Arian]

You're both not in it for each other. You're kind of both in it for yourself. And this is the best you can do. Yeah, because cloning doesn't exist yet. All right, well, Aaron, you got anything else for Tim that you want to get into?

[Eric]

No, I asked you. I appreciate you coming on, brother.

[Tim Miller]

Dude, guys, it's so great. And yeah. Get on down here now. I did not. Big T told me in the green room. I've been so locked in on the LSU home schedule this year because we got Bama, we got Texas. It's just an unbelievable home slate. Clemson to open the season that I really like. Hadn't thought about the away schedule, but we're in Tennessee, so maybe do a

[Big T]

hell of a man on the street video at that game if you want to go.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, I'm interested. Or you could do one of the. Or you could do one in Baton Rouge. We should talk about it. But I'm interested, and I would love to hang out with you guys.

[Arian]

I would love to get back down to Baton Rouge. I think I'm going to be there for. It might be Alabama week. Is Alabama in Baton Rouge this year?

[Tim Miller]

Bama's in Baton Rouge November 7th. We got Bama, Texas, Clemson, and I think A M on the home slate at Ole Miss with the lane payback. I. Dude. I mean, it's like. It's an unbelievable schedule this year, unfortunately. I wish that we had a more boring president so I could, like, really focus on my tailgating and, like, LSU podcast content rather than politics.

[Arian]

I think I'm gonna be down there for Alabama week. I think we might be doing something at Fred's. Yeah, I don't. It might not be set in stone yet, but that's the week that we're looking at. So if.

[Tim Miller]

If we're down, keep me posted. I want to do. I've been like, well, this is a little dark. I don't mean to end on a dark thing, but after the Charlie thing, I was really affected by Charlie getting shot, and a couple months later, I was like, I want to do the inverse. Not in his honor, but I think it would be cool because you don't have that. There's not really an example of a lib going to Ole Miss and letting Ole Miss kids yell at them in the way that Charlie did on live campuses. And I feel like that would be fun, but I don't exactly know how to execute it, and so I don't know. I'll take thoughts on you from that. I'm gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna make an overlap. Overlap that with one of the games.

[Arian]

I'm gonna think through on that one. That could be very funny.

[Tim Miller]

That could be funny.

[Arian]

All right, well, I'll pull up on you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Tim. You can find him.

[Tim Miller]

The bull, guys.

[Arian]

Check him out online. He's everywhere. YouTube shorts. He's probably Already affected your algorithm, so you know, I'm already.

[Tim Miller]

If not. If not, I've infected it now. All right. Appreciate you all. Go Tiger.

[Arian]

All right. Go Tigers. Thank you, Tim.

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[Big T]

All right, great interview with Tim Miller. I like talking to Tim. Good guy.

[Eric]

That's a good interview, man. We had a. I forgot to ask him. We had a. He kind of answered it, I guess. We had a debate in the chat whether, whether he was.

[Big T]

Yeah, I was, but I mean, he, he said more or less.

[Eric]

Yeah, but. But this was. I was confused about. What I wanted to ask him was like, okay, are you, are you just anti Trump in the sense that it doesn't like you banging for anybody else on the left right now. And so like, when he has a Republican candidate that he feels like represents him more, are you gonna go back to that side or have your ideals changed to the sense of, like, economically, I'm left leaning, socially, I'm left leaning, like, whatever.

[Big T]

I was gonna ask that too, but it sounded to me like he was not just, you know, waiting on another Republican. I think he's.

[Eric]

I did. That's what.

[Big T]

On the other side, also, you don't name your publication the Bulwark.

[Eric]

And like, what is that? I don't even know what that.

[Big T]

It's like a, like a fortress, like a wall.

[Eric]

Make the correlation.

[Big T]

I don't like, like, like stopping Trump. Like, we are the fortress.

[Eric]

That's what I'm saying. His whole political identity is kind of built on anti Trump with Trump, Draker

[Big T]

said, which I have too But I like him, though.

[Eric]

Good guy.

[Big T]

I would love to. Love to go to the UT LSU game.

[Eric]

That would be a fun little street interview. If we could do that, though, for sure.

[Big T]

Well, Arian, good to have you back.

[Eric]

Me, too. Great Masters jacket.

[Big T]

Yep. Fun weekend.

[Eric]

I can't. I can't wait to partake in the festivities this week. It's gonna be fun.

[Big T]

All right.

[Eric]

Who you got? Do we say, who you got?

[Big T]

Well, I have. I have a future. I've said on this show before, but I had. It was the US to win the hockey gold medal, Michigan to win the national title and Scotty Masters, 65 to one.

[Eric]

Did you do that parlay?

[Big T]

Yeah. So we're two for three. So if Scotty wins, I win a nice chunk of money. Yeah. Should be fun. Have a good weekend. We'll see you back here on Tuesday, I presume.

[Eric]

Yeah, man. Yeah. Apologies to the Macadosia. I had a lot going on. We didn't get it too into it, too much of this show, but I was in my own golf tournament. Had to prep for that. Then I had some NFL business I had to take care of. Some, like, exams I had to go through. So it's been. It's been a little minute since I've been. But it's good to be back. I'm back next week for sure.

[Big T]

All right.

[Eric]

Back, man.

[Big T]

Goodbye.

[Tim Miller]

Don't.