Barack Obama Says Aliens Are Real | Feb 17, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing: Barack Obama Says Aliens Are Real | Feb 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Macrodosing dives into the recent viral comments by former President Barack Obama about the existence of aliens, sparking a wide-ranging conversation about presidential credibility, conspiracy theories, the blurry lines of truth in media, and a good dose of sports, AI, Olympics, and cultural commentary. Hosts Big T, Arian Foster, Jake, and Madeline provide a humorous, sometimes irreverent but insightful take on the week's biggest talking points, weaving between the existential (aliens, AI), the everyday (Olympics, quitting nicotine), and the absurd (mogging and swim-up bars).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Obama's Alien Comments and Presidential Credibility

• Obama’s Viral Alien Clip
  • The group reacts to Barack Obama’s recent viral interview where he affirmed the existence of aliens before quickly walking back his comments.
  • Big T is annoyed: "Here's why I'm pissed about Obama. What the f--- with that alien thing, dude. Oh, that sucks." (08:45)
  • Arian speculates it was a "planted question" and believes Obama’s answer was meant to be lighthearted, but agrees that presidential words carry weight. (09:17)
  • Jake reads the situation as a statistical observation: “I think he thinks of it like we all think. … The Drake equation. It has to be, but I didn’t look at it like, he knows he has confirmation.” (10:25)
  • The gang discusses Fermi’s Paradox and how public figures can muddy waters by joking while in positions of authority.
  • The group pokes fun at the idea of bringing Obama onto their podcast for a speed round and muses about how powerful that interview bit has become.

2. Olympics Banter & Curling Controversy

• Discussion transitions to the Winter Olympics' "cool factor" and why most of them only care about hockey and curling.
• Big T: "As far as I'm concerned, the Winter Olympics is one giant tournament to celebrate the United States playing hockey against Canada in the finals." (18:24)
• Light-hearted debate on whether figure skaters or hockey players could better transition to the other's sport, including comparisons to "football players doing gymnastics or gymnasts playing football."
• Madeline: "I think the figure skaters would be better at hockey than vice versa."
• Curling cheating scandal: the crew recounts an incident of a curler possibly violating etiquette, sparking a conversation about “gentleman’s sports.”
• The US having a 54-year-old curler and local curling bars (Kaiser Tiger) add to the comedic take.

3. Sports Updates: Golf, Pregnancies, and Mogging

• Big T shares a golf update: "Colin Morikawa won this week at Pebble. That was dope." (24:20)
• Conversation on professional golfers' personal milestones correlating with their wins (“the hack to golfing is just having sex with your wife”).
• Betting on golfer Jake Knapp and searching for a fan nickname (eventually settling on "Napkins" after several humorous suggestions).
• Arian (on fake cousin reveal): “Oh, you could have. ... It's not a common—there aren't many Knapps out there.” (31:34)

4. Personal Updates: Quitting Nicotine

• Big T details his attempt to quit nicotine, his side effects, and his method ("I wake up in the morning, I put the pouch in my pocket. I'm like, I have it here, but I'm not gonna use it." (42:26)
• Others chime in with encouragement and stories of quitting routines, sympathizing with the struggle.
• The segment highlights the show's mix of humor and openness about personal issues.

5. AI, Automation & Tech Anxiety

• Jake introduces Claude, an AI agent akin to ChatGPT, and talks about integrating it with his Discord.
• Jake (on the rise of AI): "He is basically training the AI to take his job." (47:43)
• Discussion about Amazon and the push for employees to train AI systems that could replace them.
• Philosophical tangents on the dangers and limitations of AI, referencing the Bruce Willis film Surrogates.
• Big T calls out obvious AI-generated content and skepticism about AI's readiness: "I don't think that AI is ready to take over the world. I don't think it's anywhere close." (54:35)
• Arian and Jake discuss the resilience of society: "Society is very good at finding things to call work and paying people for it." (59:08)
• Big T ties AI anxiety to broader worries about happiness, technology, and social shifts.

6. Social & Cultural Commentary

• Handwriting Discourse:
  • Debate over why "every girl" had similar handwriting in school and whether that's learned or innate.
  • Madeline: "I didn't have that cute girl handwriting... It's just tradition passed down, I believe." (72:13)
• Discussion on schoolwork, AI cheating, blue books, and the decline of cursive writing.

7. The Michael Jordan Daytona 500 Incident

• The crew discusses a viral clip of Michael Jordan appearing to touch a kid repeatedly at a race-win celebration.
• Big T: "It's weird, dude. It's weird. It's just weird." (75:05)
• The group debates whether there are innocent explanations (like ice down the shirt), but all agree the clip is hard to watch neutrally in today's climate.
• Arian counts "16 strokes/touches/caresses," leading to awkward and funny banter:
  • Jake: "Yo, strokes is not the word to use there, my God." (81:55)

8. Miami "of Ohio" vs. "Miami"—and Rating College Conferences by Attractiveness

• Madeline and Big T deliver a spirited exchange on whether Miami University should be called "Miami" or "Miami of Ohio."
• Madeline: "If you see a really, really hot woman... good chance she went to Miami." (88:46)
• The group ranks US college conferences (SEC, Big 12, ACC, etc.) by perceived student attractiveness, peppered with region-based hot takes and jokes:
  • Big T: "I've got news for you—every school has hot chicks." (93:26)
• ChatGPT refuses to rank by attractiveness, adding to the meta-joke.

9. Teed Off: Restaurant Woes and Tipping Gripes (Valentine's Day)

• Arian vents about waiting at a restaurant despite having a reservation and facing forced gratuity charges.
• The team riffs on the proliferation of prix fixe menus and double-dipping on tips:
  • Big T: "You gotta wake up pretty early in the morning to fool Big T." (100:31)

10. Mogging, Frame Maxxing, ASU Frat Leaders, and Internet Subcultures

• Extended riff on “mogging,” “frame maxing,” and the bizarre internet lore of ASU frat leaders, Gigachads, and “looksmaxers”—a sendup of online subculture.
• Inside jokes about mogging each other, and a deeper dive into the absurdly competitive world of these subcommunities.
• Big T: "It is like a soap opera about nothing, about absolutely nothing. ... It's like a comic book mixed with WWE mixed with brain damage." (107:31)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Big T on Obama’s Alien Comments:
  "Here's why I'm pissed about Obama. What the f--- with that alien thing, dude. Oh, that sucks." (08:45)

• Jake on AI and Tech Layoffs:
  "He is basically training the AI to take his job." (47:43)

• Arian on Society’s Resilience:
  “Society is very good at finding things to call work and paying people for it.” (59:08)

• Big T on Olympic Hockey:
  "As far as I'm concerned, the Winter Olympics is one giant tournament to celebrate the United States playing hockey against Canada in the finals." (18:24)

• Arian on Professional Sports and Pregnancies:
  "This is what happens in golf all the time. ... The hack to golfing is just having sex with your wife." (27:47)

• Jake on Michael Jordan Touching Scandal:
  "Yo, strokes is not the word to use there, my God." (81:55)

• Madeline, defending Miami of Ohio:
  "If you see a really, really hot woman... good chance she went to Miami." (88:46)

• Big T on College Attractiveness Rankings:
  "I've got news for you—every school has hot chicks." (93:26)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Obama’s Alien Comments / Authority of Presidents: 08:45–10:47
• Winter Olympics & Curling Cheating: 12:29–22:03
• Golf & Jake Knapp Fan Club: 23:01–35:56
• Quitting Nicotine & Self-Control: 38:07–44:58
• AI, Jobs, & Tech Fears: 47:02–63:06
• Handwriting, School, and Cursive: 70:07–74:08
• Michael Jordan Daytona 500 Incident: 74:28–83:05
• Miami 'of Ohio' Identity & Conference Rankings: 86:19–98:50
• Restaurant Waiting/Gratuity Rant: 84:06–100:25
• Mogging & Online Subculture Soap Opera: 102:08–107:31

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Tone & Flow

• The tone oscillates between irreverent humor, candid personal admissions, and pointed cultural or technological critique.
• The crew is unafraid to call out their own ignorance or confusion and frequently uses running in-jokes and playful ribbing to engage both each other and listeners.
• Long tangents are laced with genuine insight, often circling back to bigger themes of authority, authenticity, and the nature of modern work, community, and media.

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Conclusion

This lively episode of Macrodosing covers an impressive range of topics under the umbrella of Obama’s claim that “aliens are real.” The hosts blend topical news, sports updates, tech talk, personal stories, and the ever-present absurdity of internet culture, offering both laughs and food for thought—ideal for listeners who want to keep up without taking it all too seriously.

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Transcript

[Big T]

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[Madeline]

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[Arian]

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[Big T]

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[Arian]

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[Big T]

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[Jake]

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[Arian]

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[Big T]

The swim up bar is. It's amazing.

[Arian]

I just go get a Diet Coke. Just an excuse to go to the swim up bar. Just give me water. I don't care. I just want to come up here.

[Big T]

More places should have a swim up bar.

[Jake]

See Big D pretending to tread water while you can clearly stand up.

[Arian]

Oh oh. I'd walk over.

[Big T]

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[Arian]

World or just.

[Big T]

I don't know. Aaron, you look like maybe you went goth and big T is Buffett maxing.

[Arian]

Well, I know you're off island time now, but it's 59 degrees in Chicago today, so I am on island time. My vacation is this afternoon.

[Big T]

I love it.

[Arian]

I'm going on vacation.

[Big T]

I love it. Yeah, you're wasting away in Margaritaville.

[Arian]

Yeah, I. I went for a walk yesterday. Wore shorts.

[Big T]

It is excellent.

[Arian]

Amazing, isn't it?

[Big T]

Is it?

[Arian]

It was probably 5 degrees too cool for shorts. Maybe. Maybe only 3, but I did it anyway.

[Big T]

That's when you got to step into shorts. When it's five degrees too cool.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Better five degrees too early than five degree too late.

[Arian]

Agreed.

[Big T]

That's what I say. It is beautiful here. It's awesome. Now that we're probably getting faked out right now, we're getting hit with a hesi.

[Jake]

What are you talking about? I'm goth.

[Arian]

What the.

[Big T]

We're just wearing a dark black.

[Jake]

Nike. What are you talking about?

[Big T]

Yeah, I mean, you kind of look like you. You know, like, give my regards to the fellow doom players online.

[Jake]

That's crazy. I like your flannel. That's actually kind of fire.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Arian]

Is that the Darius Rucker collection?

[Big T]

This is the Darius Rucker NFL team collection. Yeah. A lot of talk. A lot of talk recently about the commanders changing up the logo going in the next year.

[Arian]

Been seeing that Titans new logo.

[Big T]

Love that. Love that. We need it.

[Jake]

Do they. Have they mocked it out? Is there.

[Big T]

We're hearing maybe a shield we're hearing maybe a spear, maybe getting rid of that W, the weird W that we have everywhere.

[Arian]

So I saw the spear. It's just the Florida State helmet logo. You can't do that.

[Big T]

Well, we've also. The commanders had the spear a long time ago. Like the. I want to say we had the Spear in the 50s.

[Arian]

Did Florida State. I don't know.

[Big T]

I don't know. But we. We have brought the spear back. I remember during the Spurrier era at Washington, we had, I think, like, 2000, 2001. We brought the spear back a little bit. Yeah.

[Arian]

You know, who could push. You know, who's a commander and who could push for maybe himself to be the logo?

[Jake]

Who.

[Arian]

The commander in chief.

[Big T]

I have Donald Trump be the logo of the team.

[Arian]

I mean, listen, if they want some. Some great tax breaks on that new stadium.

[Big T]

Yeah. Well, if he. If he was the logo, I would imagine that we would be, like, very, very good at cheating.

[Jake]

Right.

[Big T]

Like, he would not accept loss.

[Arian]

Yeah. I mean, he. He's not putting his name on something.

[Big T]

He would not. And he would. He would throw everything at the wall. Listen, Big T, let me ask you this. If Barack Obama was the logo of the Tennessee Volunteers, Remember, he was a community organizer. He's a volunteer. If Barack Obama was the logo and you guys, bare minimum, went to the college football semifinal every year, and let's say once every five years, you'd win a title.

[Arian]

We win the national championship once every five years. Yeah, that's fine.

[Big T]

You take that.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Put Barry on.

[Arian]

Obama is a. Was a Republican by today's standards.

[Big T]

That's not. Not true. He was actually not as liberal as he, like, campaigned on. I'll give you that. He was more like middle of the road, moderate.

[Jake]

I think he's probably more liberal than he let on, actually.

[Arian]

I think if he ran today, there's no chance he could win the nomination on the platform he ran on in 2008.

[Big T]

The gay marriage stuff. Yes, I agree.

[Arian]

Against gay marriage. Very hard on immigration.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think.

[Jake]

Yeah, the drones always have been hard on immigration.

[Arian]

Not as of lately.

[Big T]

The drone warfare. There's that whole thing.

[Jake]

All right, man.

[Arian]

You think the Biden administration was tough on immigration?

[Jake]

I told myself I wasn't gonna argue about politics anymore. If you think the Biden administration gave open borders. They did. Who gives a.

[Arian]

No, but I'm. I'm not trying to get into argument. You think they were tough on immigration?

[Jake]

I'm genuinely sincere. If you think that they ran on open borders, then they did. All that matters okay.

[Arian]

Ran on. I'm. I'm. I'm confused, clearly.

[Jake]

But who cares, right? Everybody has their own truth. We're all just living in a. I'm.

[Arian]

I'm asking you.

[Jake]

I don't give a. Anymore. I. That's my new motto.

[Big T]

I don't give a.

[Jake]

If you think that's what happened, that's what happened.

[Big T]

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[Jake]

Let me see.

[Big T]

That's some sucker, Barack. You know, it is too.

[Jake]

See and see me. I kind of believe him.

[Big T]

No, but he got.

[Madeline]

He.

[Big T]

He says now, Oh, I was just having fun with the. With the tone of the interview and playing along. I do think you're the former president of the United States when you say some, like, yeah, there's aliens. That means more than if it's Theo Vaughn being like, hey, RFK Jr. Do you think, yeah, did I. I boofed heroin off of an aliens.

[Arian]

It was clearly a planted question. You don't ask the former president, are aliens real? He says, yes, and then you just move on.

[Big T]

Right? You follow up.

[Arian]

It was a planted question. I do. See, I think he was saying he believes they're real.

[Big T]

He believes they're real. But if you're the former President of the United States, you're speaking with a bit more authority than just a guy that's like, hey, okay, let's get high in our dorm rooms and put on Pink Floyd and talk about the universe. I'm not asking you for your theories about whether it's more likely than not. You know, like, we know Fermi's paradox. Barack, you just said that there was aliens, and now you're trying to walk it back.

[Jake]

Okay, I just saw the clip. So he said, they're real, but I haven't seen them, and they're not being kept and there's no underground facilities.

[Arian]

Yeah, but he didn't say, I think they're real. Said they're real.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I don't know.

[Big T]

I think we're just.

[Jake]

Adam's reading too much into it. I think he thinks of it like we all think. Well, most normal human beings think of it like if you look at like this, statistically, they have to. There has to be life out there. It's just. Has to. What is it called? The. The Drake equation. It has to be. But I didn't look at it like, he knows he has confirmation. I didn't say it like that.

[Big T]

Here's his quote. I was trying to stick with the spirit of the speed round. That's awesome. By the way. We got to start doing a speed round. If the speed round, if the aura is so strong around the speed round that you've got former presidents bending their normal answering styles to accommodate your bit, that's a powerful bit you've created.

[Jake]

Next question has to be drone strikes, good or bad.

[Arian]

Yeah, we should do a speed round. No follow ups, no elaboration. You can just answer the question and move on and that's it.

[Big T]

Can we try to get Obama?

[Madeline]

Yeah, I'll reach out.

[Big T]

Okay. Tell him no speed round.

[Madeline]

No speed round.

[Big T]

Yeah, but they're all nuanced.

[Arian]

There are follow ups.

[Big T]

Yeah, There will be follow ups. And then that's when we hit him with the speed round.

[Madeline]

Yeah, we'll reach out to his people.

[Big T]

No, the lightning round.

[Madeline]

It is funny because that one time we were like, what if we had George Santos? And then we did.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

So anything to say?

[Arian]

We can't get Obama and he was a sitting member of the government.

[Big T]

Hit up Obama. See what. See what Obama's doing these days.

[Madeline]

He was at the NBA All Star game.

[Big T]

That's right. Yeah. I saw him dancing with. With Michelle, celebrating Valentine's Day.

[Arian]

What'd you think of the All Star Game? I. I turned it on. I found out during the fourth quarter slash game.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And turned it on. It was like 39 to 6. But all the tweets I saw were like, this is great.

[Big T]

It was better. If you get mad about the All Star Game, it's. That's a. That's a you problem. Like, we know what the All Star Game is. Guys aren't really going to try that hard. But we did have a few guys that were trying hard. Like ant tried hard. When be tried hard, they set the tone early. So it was better than it has been in the past. And that's all that you can only ask for, like, a little bit of improvement.

[Arian]

If you were NBC, would you put the NBA All Star game at like 1pm local time to accommodate the Winter Olympics.

[Big T]

No.

[Arian]

Okay. Because I was thrown off by that as well.

[Big T]

I would not.

[Arian]

It was like six o' clock and I saw that they were in the fourth game of the All Star Game.

[Big T]

I would say, kindly go fuck yourself. You know what I would do? I would just make basketball in the Winter Olympics.

[Arian]

I've always wondered that as well. Because the NHL, it's in the middle of the season.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

It's during the NBA season too.

[Big T]

Yeah. Oh, no. We're going to lose some of the, some of the mid February NBA regular season, Right? Oh, shit. I think it'd be great to have it during. During.

[Arian]

You know why they'll never do that.

[Big T]

Well, ratings.

[Arian]

I don't even think it's that. I think it's that the, the players will. Because now the season will go into what, the end of June, maybe to July 4th. And the players, that'll be the catalyst for like a 70 game season. And the owners will never have that. So they'll never let that happen.

[Big T]

Right. Yeah, the, the owners want to sell more tickets. It's still. It would make more sense if it was a Winter Olympic sport.

[Arian]

It's a winter sport.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I guess it doesn't fit with the vibe of the Winter Olympics, but the.

[Big T]

Vibe is what you make it. What is the vibe of the Winter Olympics? Just cold.

[Arian]

Ice.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Ice has to be involved in some aspects. Is there a sport that doesn't have ice or snow?

[Madeline]

Ice or snow?

[Arian]

I'm counting snow as a form of ice.

[Jake]

Well, technically water is a form of all of that, so yeah. Swimming.

[Madeline]

No, Snow or ice. I think that would be hard to.

[Big T]

Cover these Winter Olympic sports because even.

[Arian]

The ones that are inside are on ice.

[Madeline]

Yeah, Bobsled's on ice.

[Big T]

It's really just. It's DEI Olympics for the Scandinavian countries. It's like, oh, we want, we want medals too. Okay.

[Arian]

Not even getting any.

[Big T]

We'll do your own little weird sports that you've invented.

[Arian]

Do they have a gold yet?

[Jake]

Who?

[Madeline]

Canada?

[Arian]

Yeah, let's see. I don't think they did as of yesterday.

[Big T]

Okay. Alpine skiing, biathlon, bobsled, cross country.

[Madeline]

Canada has one gold medal.

[Big T]

It all involves ice or snow.

[Madeline]

In the women's a thousand. Oh, wait.

[Jake]

Timeout.

[Big T]

Oh, wait, timeout, timeout.

[Madeline]

That's a fake gold medal. That's not real.

[Big T]

What?

[Madeline]

They have it listed as gold, but this woman got silver. I don't know what Canada won a gold medal in right now. Oh, just kidding. In freestyle skiing.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, they're all basically the same sport. I would like to see professional hockey players have to compete in figure skating or vice versa. Have the figure skaters play ice against.

[Arian]

Each other or against the hockey players?

[Big T]

Against the hockey players.

[Arian]

Okay. So each team has to have one figure.

[Big T]

You have to have one figure skater.

[Arian]

And he has to play five minutes.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

I think the figure skaters would be better at hockey than vice versa.

[Big T]

Oh, embrace debate.

[Arian]

I think that's actually interesting. So they'd get killed. Like, they'd get legit maimed.

[Madeline]

Yeah, but I.

[Arian]

So they don't have any of the basic skill other than skating. Like, they don't know how to handle the stick pass shoot. The hockey players can't figure skate, but they can skate.

[Madeline]

Yeah, but I don't think they're graceful.

[Arian]

Yeah, no, for sure. But they. There's not another. I think they. They are like 5% of the way to becoming a figure skater. The figure skaters are 0% of the way to becoming a hockey player.

[Madeline]

Well, they can skate.

[Arian]

Yeah. But I mean, they're just gonna. They're gonna get destroyed out there.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah.

[Arian]

And they don't know how to pass or anything. Presumably.

[Madeline]

But I think they could pick it up in a intermediate novice way faster than Jack Hughes could learn how to do like a spin on the ice.

[Arian]

I disagree.

[Big T]

No.

[Arian]

Think you're underselling how difficult it is to play professional hockey.

[Madeline]

I think I could say the same about figure skating.

[Arian]

Yeah. It wouldn't be easy. But also they're like, they don't have the size necessary.

[Jake]

Like.

[Madeline]

Well, it's also different because one's a contact sport. One isn't. So you have right advantage immediately of like, well, no one's going to hit the.

[Arian]

Yes, I agree.

[Madeline]

Spinning. Yeah. But if you were doing figure skater on figure skater hockey.

[Big T]

It'S kind of like saying who would be better at the other sport? A football player doing gymnastics or a gymnast doing football.

[Madeline]

It's like, whoa, football player.

[Big T]

Football player doing gymnastics.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

But once again, if you're putting Simone Biles up against Miles Garrett, she would die. She'd die. Yeah. No shit.

[Big T]

Maybe she just.

[Arian]

So therein lies the answer.

[Madeline]

Maybe she just, like, die on the bounce.

[Big T]

Jump over.

[Madeline]

Yeah. I fall in his neck.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

Falling a sec.

[Big T]

Yeah. Maybe she just jumps over, maybe does a little spin.

[Madeline]

He's so. She's so small, he doesn't even see her. Right.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

Can't hit her. She's really fast.

[Big T]

She's super fast. She'd probably jack him up. Actually. She'd probably run his ass over.

[Madeline]

Now that I say it. She's getting some lessons from her. Yeah, her husband. I'm sure he could teach her.

[Big T]

Yeah, she just jumped right at his face and just knock them out like a little cannonball.

[Madeline]

Backflip bottom.

[Big T]

Yeah. So the Winter Olympics. I'm not. I'm not really into anything besides the hockey. And I'm good. Good for the hockey. We're going to get our showdown with Canada. That's all. That's all I'm here for. As far as I'm concerned, the Winter Olympics is one giant tournament to celebrate the United States playing hockey against Canada in the finals.

[Arian]

I agree. I haven't watched anything other than the hockey.

[Jake]

Yeah, it's pretty much a few curling matches.

[Big T]

What do you think I.

[Jake]

With it? I think there should be like bars with curling in it. Yeah, that would be lit.

[Arian]

There might be.

[Madeline]

The US has like a 54 year old guy on their team. Yeah.

[Jake]

This is lit. And I like their shirts. All the countries have pretty dope shirts.

[Big T]

Have you seen the controversy?

[Jake]

Buddy cheated.

[Big T]

Buddy cheated?

[Jake]

Yeah, but he definitely cheated. And he tried to act like he didn't. What are you doing?

[Big T]

Buddy cheated big time.

[Arian]

Arian. I found a place called Kaiser Tiger that has curling lanes and food and drinks.

[Jake]

That's fire. I mean, what?

[Arian]

Where?

[Jake]

In Houston?

[Arian]

Almost certainly not. I actually, I'm trying to find out where it is.

[Madeline]

It's in West Loop.

[Arian]

It's here?

[Madeline]

Yeah. Kaiser Tiger is right down the street from us. It's two minutes away.

[Arian]

Really? That makes sense why it was the first thing that popped up. Probably.

[Madeline]

It has a. You can do the shuttle from there to the United Center.

[Arian]

Really?

[Madeline]

Yeah. It's a sausage place. They have.

[Arian]

Kaiser Tiger is a sausage bacon beer bar. Okay.

[Jake]

Ar.

[Arian]

Next time you're in town, let's go curling.

[Jake]

I'm down. I've always wanted to curl.

[Arian]

How serendipitous.

[Jake]

I like it.

[Arian]

It's in like a shed.

[Jake]

Sausage, bacon and beer.

[Arian]

That's what they say.

[Madeline]

Yeah, it's like kind of German vibe. Like they have big pretzels.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Madeline]

You can get different. Yeah.

[Arian]

Jumbo Bavarian Worcestershagen.

[Jake]

Worcestershire sauce. What's the sour sauce?

[Arian]

Bacon board. Four delicious cuts of gourmet bacon with house mustards and toasted bread.

[Jake]

Sounds like a nightmare.

[Arian]

I'm intrigued. Yeah.

[Big T]

Listen, I would like to. I would like to curl. It seems like it's a fun time, but there's also no real rules. So it's like you call your own fouls. So I don't know if you can even really cheat. Yeah, it's very much a side.

[Jake]

I was like, once you let go of the thing, you can't. You can't manipulate it. Like, once you let go of it, you can't manipulate it. I think. I think buddy let go of it and he kind of like. I mean, kind of like touched it a little bit. I thought that's what the. I mean, I didn't look deep enough into it, but I thought just off rip. That's what I thought.

[Arian]

I thought it was that he touched it after the. The line.

[Jake]

I.

[Arian]

But I don't know.

[Jake]

Yeah, it could be it. I don't know. But he definitely did that.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah. So you're not allowed to touch it. But it's also like kind of a gentleman's sport where you get caught and then you have to like, self admit to it.

[Jake]

Oh, there's another. A woman just did it from the Canada team as well.

[Big T]

Oh, really? So it's a. It's a cultural thing.

[Jake]

It might be, man. Some dude says, what has happened to the sport I love? Once every four years for two weeks.

[Arian]

Are the Olympics not as cool as they used to be?

[Big T]

The Summer Olympics are cool. Winter Olympics have never been cool.

[Arian]

But even the Summer Olympics, I feel like, have fallen off.

[Jake]

You know who made this? The Winter Olympics? Cracking. Oh, you remember this cat? Pft. Remember Sean White?

[Big T]

Yeah, of course.

[Jake]

You're popping for a hot little minute.

[Big T]

The Flying Tomato, Talking Mountain Dews, baby.

[Jake]

Yeah. But it was never really Winter Olympics was never really a thing that we cared for. Summer Olympics was always cracking.

[Arian]

I'm just thinking back to two years ago. The basketball was elite, but other than that, I don't think I watched anything.

[Big T]

The basketball was great. Track and field is always good. I enjoy like, you know, the, the sprints, the 100 meter, 200 meter. I like the relays. There's some stuff about summer I can get behind. Like golf is kind of fun. The seventh Rugby is fun. Summer Olympics just takes an absolute steam.

[Jake]

We were locked in with Cole Hawker.

[Arian]

That's. That's right. That was okay. Yeah. So we. We watched some running, I believe.

[Jake]

I'm betting on that. Then it comes back around. I don't know about Cole. You know, he might be washed, but.

[Arian]

But like, golf would be cooler if it's like the sports that you would want to watch already have bigger competitions like soccer. Who cares about winning the Olympics in soccer? Because you have the World Cup.

[Big T]

Right.

[Arian]

So it's like, you know, it's just sports that don't have bigger things already.

[Big T]

Right.

[Jake]

Speaking of golf, you see Anthony Kim? Yeah, that was really dope, man. He. For those that don't know, Anthony Kim used to be. He was like, next up after Tiger. Nike got behind him. He was. He was. He was really good. I think he won a couple tournaments, and then he tore his Achilles, I think, and kind of just went away and then got heavy into drugs and shit. Started. Started his comeback, signed with liv, lost his live status, and then came back to LIV to. To compete in a qualifier. So got back into Liv, like, on a strength, like, earned it, and then fought his way back and then won a tournament. That's fucking amazing, dog.

[Big T]

It is pretty incredible.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Very cool story.

[Jake]

It's amazing. And then Colin Morikawa won this week at Pebble. That was dope.

[Big T]

That was. That was also very cool. That was. Did you watch the end of that tournament? Who was the guy that was like two strokes off that hit his ball pretty much into the ocean?

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. You know what's crazy about that? He. He hit his ball. He found his ball, hit his ball again, it bounced back in the ocean, and he had to go hit it from where it cross land, take a penalty stroke, did all that shit and still got a bogey.

[Big T]

Got a bogey on it. Yeah.

[Jake]

That is the difference between professional golfers and us, clearly would be a 10.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Anybody else? It felt he just got a bogey.

[Big T]

It was a par five, right?

[Jake]

Par five.

[Big T]

Yeah. It felt like he was hitting nine at. At one point. And it was like, no, this is. This is his approach for par. And then he gets a chance at a one putt bogey. He pretty. He hit the ball into the Pacific Ocean and then. But they found the ball on the beach. He had to hit it like, over a shipwreck. There was. There was like an old rowboat and ropes and shit on the beach. They had to chip over, hit it off the seawall, then it actually went into the real ocean, like the water. And then he got to just go back to the middle of the fairway. I didn't understand that.

[Jake]

You go. It's. That's the rule. So it's like a lost ball. So you have to go. You take a penalty stroke and you go back to where you originally hit the ball from. But that was two shots ago because that's where it. That's where it entered OB So where the shot that made it go, obviously you go back in. But he took a penalty stroke for.

[Big T]

Going back, though, right? So he could have. He could have Taken that drop before even going down onto the beach is what you're saying.

[Jake]

Yeah, but they said he found it. And, you know, players like that are like, I can get up and down from there, say par. But I mean, just the fact that he did all of that shit and still got a bogey. But the shitty part about that was, I mean, it didn't cost him, but Kalamoraka was in a fairway.

[Big T]

I know.

[Jake]

Waiting 20 minutes to hit his approach shot. And he needs birdie to win. And so he has 20 minutes. He's pacing. He has 20 minutes. He has to sit there and wait for this dude to do all this, which I'd have been hot. But he ended up sticking it. Well, he got a close, chipped up for eagle and had a little tap in birdie for the dub.

[Big T]

I. I respect what he did on that chip in too, because he. He was in the rough. He was like, I'm going to putt this shit.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I'm not gonna chip it. Hand me the putter.

[Jake]

But another thing. Okay. You got the wind, like, blowing in from the left. OB's left. So he plays. He hits a four iron, like, 238 to get it within, like 12ft. Like, is amazing, though. It's amazing.

[Big T]

It is. It's pretty incredible.

[Jake]

I've always. I've always betted on him to win, and he never did. And he finally did. I'm happy for him, man. I'll be rooting for Kyle. I like his game.

[Big T]

Yeah, he's a. He's seems like a nice guy. And the. The brief opportunities we've had to. To meet him and interview him. And then after the. After the win, he was just like. Yeah, we just cried because we're expecting a child. So we figured that now would be the best time to say that.

[Jake]

Look at God.

[Big T]

So look at God. This is what. Look at God. This is what happens in golf all the time. It's like either you have a baby and you win the US Open, or, like, you win a tournament the week that you find out that you're expecting another kid. Yeah, it's just a constant. The. The hack to golfing is just having sex with your significant. With your wife. Having marital. Lots of marital sex.

[Madeline]

Lock in on that because Scotty Scheffler's wife popped out pregnant, super pregnant, all of a sudden. Like, could have a baby right before the Masters.

[Big T]

New pregnancy just dropped.

[Madeline]

New pregnancy just dropped. Just letting you know in case she has her baby right before the master.

[Big T]

She's fetus, maxing right now.

[Madeline]

Yes.

[Big T]

Okay. And he said that he would walk away if she went in, if she went into labor. I also think that storyline was, like, taken a little bit out of hand.

[Madeline]

It's the same thing. Remember Kylie Kelce, like, in the 2023 or 2024 Super bowl had the same thing. She traveled with her ob.

[Big T]

Yeah. See, I think with Scotty, though, it's probably true. If. If his wife went into labor, like, morning. It depends. Is it Friday? Is it Thursday? Is it Saturday of the Masters? Is it Sunday of the Masters?

[Arian]

Thursday you leave 1000% or he would at least.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Arian]

Friday, I'm pretty sure you leave Saturday. But no, where. Where is he on Saturday, you lose on.

[Big T]

I disagree. You lose on Friday, you don't make any money at all.

[Arian]

So you would say Saturday is more likely than Friday?

[Big T]

Yes.

[Madeline]

And also, what. It's their. It would be their second kid, so, like, he's seen the first.

[Big T]

I also think if he left on Sunday, like, in contention, that would be like father of the decade, actually, dudes, we should not want Scotty to do that.

[Madeline]

The standard would be way too high.

[Big T]

Scotty, you just gotta. You gotta be homie for us, and you kind of gotta thug this one out. Okay?

[Arian]

Was it. Was it Josh Naylor who left during the World Series last year?

[Big T]

I think so.

[Arian]

Alcs.

[Big T]

I think so. Is. Yeah, I believe that was Josh Naylor. But, yeah, Scotty, I thought he was going to win. I thought Scotty was going to do it. When he went out there and shot.

[Jake]

What made a hell of a push.

[Big T]

62, 63.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Now our boy Jake Knapp is hot. Hey, we need to have a conversation about Jake now.

[Jake]

This might be the year we. We were probably a little premature on. On the. On the bet last year. Yeah, I think this might be the year for him at least one of the majors. I'm gonna put a bet on him every major this year.

[Big T]

I think I will, too. So my question, Jake Knapp, if you're listening, don't listen to this. Is he. Is he choker. See, A little bit of a choker.

[Jake]

No, I think he's. I think this is. This is where you get seasoned. You play. You get. You get seasoned into playing top tier golf against top tier players in big tournaments.

[Big T]

Yeah, right.

[Jake]

This is Pebble. This is an iconic tournament. Okay. This. Okay, you're getting seasoned. Okay. This is. This is how you. This is a rite of passage. You got. You got to lose these tough battles, figure out what you're doing wrong in these moments. I Believe I'm a j. I'm in a. Jake. Jake Nap. Jake. Yeah. Jake Nap Cap Camp. Jesus Christ.

[Big T]

We need. We need a nickname for his. His fan base.

[Jake]

Naps. Naps. Is not it.

[Big T]

Naps Napkins Nap. No, that's actually kind of dope. The napkins.

[Madeline]

I kind of like it. Like kin, as in family.

[Big T]

Yeah, I get it. I get it. And we just all carry around napkins with us so we can recognize that.

[Madeline]

Kind of be legit. Who is a Napkin Napsters?

[Big T]

Nappy roots.

[Jake]

Bad fate. Definitely not. That's not gonna do it.

[Big T]

I guess. Napkins it is.

[Arian]

I'm offended I haven't been consulted on this.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah, it's true.

[Arian]

It's my cousin.

[Big T]

Oh, is that actually your cousin?

[Arian]

Yes. Like a real life second cousin.

[Big T]

I didn't. I. How come you.

[Arian]

Oh, you're related to him.

[Big T]

You haven't told us this.

[Arian]

No, but I knew y' all would. I was seeing if y' all would believe it.

[Big T]

Oh, you could have.

[Madeline]

I could have.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Arian]

It's not a common. I haven't come across many people. There was Greg Knapp. Rest in peace. He was the coach on the Falcons for a while.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Oh, he was my coach. Damn.

[Arian]

Oh, really?

[Jake]

He coached me in Houston.

[Arian]

Yeah. I think he died a few years ago.

[Jake]

Good dude.

[Arian]

Jake Knapp, obviously. I don't know if there's really been any others.

[Big T]

Not a lot of you guys out there. So what would you. What would you recommend that we. We call ourselves?

[Arian]

Yeah, I mean, at some point I've encountered all the ones that y' all just listed.

[Jake]

Nappy Roots.

[Arian]

Not that one. Napkins Napster.

[Jake]

I can see a coach calling you that when you're young. Come here a little. Napster.

[Arian]

Yeah. Napple Jacks was one I had for a little while.

[Big T]

Oh, Napplesauce.

[Jake]

I know this is. White folks always did this. I. I didn't notice it. But like, they'll put an E at the end of everything. But it's a Y. But you know, I'm saying like, so they'll call you like they used to call me Shabby or Dorsey. You know what I'm saying? Like just whatever your last name is.

[Arian]

They'Ll put an E. Baseball and hockey. Love to do that.

[Big T]

Big time hockey.

[Jake]

Yeah. Yeah. Jake C. You know, and then if.

[Arian]

It already ends in that sound, I think it's E. They put an er.

[Big T]

Er. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should be foster.

[Arian]

Australian for beer.

[Jake]

They didn't really do it to us too much. It was. It was just like a. That was. That's what they did. Brixy. Rigsy.

[Big T]

Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Jake]

Briggsy. Hey, what's up, Briggsy?

[Big T]

I kind of like, nap.

[Jake]

Nappy, nappy nap.

[Big T]

Napkins. With the napkins. For the napkins. We got to do napkins. I guess it sucks, but we got to do it.

[Arian]

Jk. Those are good initials together.

[Big T]

Yeah, I like that.

[Madeline]

It's like, show your napkins, like.

[Big T]

Yeah, but that.

[Arian]

Would that not be waving a white flag?

[Big T]

Yeah, it could be.

[Jake]

It could be.

[Madeline]

Doesn't have to be white. Get a different color.

[Arian]

Yeah, I would say 99% of napkins are white.

[Madeline]

It's fair.

[Big T]

I'm looking at the odds right now. I don't see any. Any nap odds for the Masters, but he did look good.

[Jake]

Has he qualified yet?

[Big T]

Yeah, but that didn't stop us last year. You remember, we were betting on him, and we're like, these odds are incredible for a guy that's finishing in, like, the top five of most of these tournaments, not realizing that he had not qualified for the Masters yet, and he ended up not qualifying at all. So.

[Jake]

And let's see. As of early 25, Jake Knapp has not qualified for 2025 at all. What is 26, though?

[Arian]

Yes, it is.

[Big T]

Yeah. 26. Tell me. Tell me what you have to do to qualify. I know if you win a tournament, then you are qualified.

[Jake]

It said he is not yet secured a qualification spot for the 26 Masters. While he is fully exempt on the PGA tour through. Through 2020, he must qualify for the 2026 Masters. Be a high official world ranking of golf.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Or a. Or a PGA Tour victory. So he has to win a tournament.

[Big T]

Oh.

[Jake]

So he has to secure a win or a top 50 position in the world rankings.

[Big T]

Okay, top 50. Where is he at right now?

[Jake]

Let's take that world ranking. Right now. He is 62. Damn. Yeah.

[Big T]

62.

[Jake]

Yep. No, 55th.

[Big T]

That's the updated after this weekend.

[Jake]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, wait. It says 55th. 262nd. I guess they have it.

[Big T]

Okay. What I'm hearing from you is that we can do this. What I'm hearing from you is that Jake Knapp should be playing in the Masters this year. And if you're wondering, like, why are we obsessed with Jake Knapp? It's because Arian just told me to watch his swing one time, and then I saw his swing, and I was like, holy, that is a buttery, smooth swing.

[Jake]

It's very smooth.

[Big T]

And then I started watching him, and then every time I'd watch him on tv. The announcer started to catch on. They started to play like Fred Couples and his swing lined up with Jake Knapp in his swing. And it's just, it's hypnotic.

[Jake]

He's like the updated version of Fred Couples.

[Big T]

Yeah, it's a great swing to watch also. Arian, I just got, I got that book delivered.

[Jake]

Have you cracked it over yet?

[Big T]

I've not cracked it. I just saw it this morning. I got it out of its package. So I now I'm a book owner about golf.

[Arian]

Y' all want to share with the class?

[Big T]

Yeah, it's the.

[Arian]

We all obviously know what book you're talking about.

[Big T]

Arian talked about it on the show a few weeks ago. Is that the, the Ben Hogan book?

[Jake]

Ben Hogan's book. It's like five something, five rules or five something about golf. It's been a while. So what's strikingly amazing about that is the animations that has in it and the visual aid it gives you. So it really puts it in. It puts his understanding and his explanations in a very dope visual that you could see, but also detailed written explanations. It's just. I like it. And my grandma gave me that.

[Big T]

That's pretty cool.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Big T]

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[Arian]

Can I ask one quick question? You decided to do this immediately coming back from vacation, that feels like a poor time. I like I, I. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah, I'm happy for You. I hope this does great for you.

[Big T]

Never a good time to do it.

[Arian]

You could have. You could have waited a week.

[Big T]

But every time you, like, set up your. Your perfect.

[Arian]

Understand? No, and good on you for doing it.

[Big T]

A bunch of stuff happened. So what I. So. Excuse me. The. One of the side effects I've noticed is I'm getting, like, a lot more acid reflux and burping a lot more, which is not great, but that'll calm down. The first time I did this, I was coming back from Lake Charles, Louisiana, and I think I was on vacation with, I think Arian. We went to that casino, Remember?

[Jake]

That was a great time.

[Big T]

That was an excellent time. Hit the Lazy river, and I didn't bring enough nicotine pouches with me at the time. And so I just kind of had to. I had to quit because I ran out. And then I just kind of went through it on the flight back. I wasn't doing that much then. I was usually either doing the 3 milligrams or the 4 milligrams and only having, I don't know, five or six per day. Now it's gotten to the point where it's a lot more. I'm doing the 8 milligrams and I'm doing probably 15 per day. Like a full, full 10. Full, full container. Usually falling asleep with one, like, first thing in the morning, popping a new one in. And I just got sick of, like, having to reach down and. And always pat myself to make sure that I'm bringing one with me wherever I go, because I basically had to have something on me if I was going anywhere for any period of time. And then I was at. I was at breakfast looking out at the water. I finished, and I said, I don't really feel like having one right now. Which is big because there you go. Like, after a meal, that's usually the first time you reach down. And I was like, you know what? I'm just not going to have one. And we'll see. We'll see how long this goes, because I don't feel like I need one right now. And then it just. It kind of kept going. And then I started to get, like, the dry and the headache and stuff like that. But once I reached a couple hours without doing one, I was like, you know what? Let's. Let's just keep this going. Let's stack hours. So now I'm on, like, day three, cold turkey, no nicotine, and I feel pretty good. Sleep was pretty good. I'm definitely still dealing with the, like, Watery mouth, the acid reflux, occasional headache, but overall, not bad. I feel. I might feel better already. We'll see. But, yeah, Congratulations. It's tough. It's tough kicking this stuff. Yeah.

[Jake]

I never got into the nicotine, but. No, no, it has a hold on people, man. So congratulations.

[Big T]

Thank you. Yeah, there's no. There's no great time to do it. Like, Big T was saying, like, when you get back from vacation, ideally, that's when you would like to do it. But then you. You get back, and there's like, a million reasons, so I just figured I had some good momentum going.

[Arian]

No, I was saying, like, getting back from vacation sucks.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

So. So I guess it's kind of just, you know, throw while it sucks. Just make it suck a little worse.

[Big T]

Yeah. This is actually the second time. So back to that Lake Charles thing. Second time I've come back from a trip quitting nicotine. I don't know what that means, but it worked pretty well the first time. And then I think covet happened, and then I was just kind of bored in my apartment, and I was like, oh, there's some nicotine. Let's just have some of that.

[Arian]

There's no way that was before COVID.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think so.

[Arian]

No.

[Big T]

When did we go to Lake Charles?

[Arian]

Because that was. We had been doing this show, and we started this show in February of 21.

[Big T]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. It was.

[Madeline]

I think you guys went to Lake Charles in, like, spring of 22.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Anyways, I was just laying around my apartment one day, and the nicotine was there, and I was like, I'll just have some of this. Not gonna do it this time.

[Arian]

You tried to blame it on the cocoa.

[Big T]

I did. I tried to blame it all on cocoa. I didn't. I haven't thrown away any of my pouches. I got a backpack filled with Lucy's right now. But I don't know, I feel like it's more powerful. Like, I wake up in the morning, I put the. The pouch in my. In my pocket. I'm like, I have it here, but I'm not gonna use it.

[Arian]

Oh, so you still keep that thing on you?

[Big T]

I keep it on me, yeah.

[Arian]

Well, that's real dedication.

[Big T]

Well, this morning actually was the first day that I didn't. But that's just because I forgot to put it in my pocket on the way out the door. But the last two days, I've had it in my pocket, and I know it's there. I'm Just like I don't need it.

[Arian]

You go front or back pocket?

[Big T]

I go front.

[Arian]

Now you mentioned something I wanted to ask about. You said y' all were in a lazy river. As I thought about it, that's probably my number one body of water to be in.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Followed by pool at 2 and then I'm going to go with a man made lagoon at three.

[Big T]

Okay, wait, wait. Go on. With a man made lagoon.

[Arian]

You know, sometimes at like a resort or some or something, they'll carve out like their own. It's not the ocean, but it's, it's a little. I honestly don't know if it's fresh or salt water, but they, they make their own little beach with like a lagoon in it.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Arian]

Never seen that.

[Big T]

No, I don't think I've seen that.

[Arian]

Maybe you don't. Maybe you don't traffic in the resorts that I do.

[Big T]

I don't think I do. It sounds wonderful.

[Arian]

Sometimes they'll have something like that.

[Big T]

It sounds wonderful.

[Arian]

So. But I, I don't do ocean. I don't do. I certainly don't do lake. So I was curious, what are yalls? Top three?

[Big T]

Lazy river is definitely up there towards number one. I love a good lazy river because.

[Arian]

It, because it has built in movement.

[Big T]

Yeah. It's nice.

[Arian]

You can, you can go stand in a pool.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And that's great. You have a little drink on the.

[Big T]

Ledge, bump into people. It's fun.

[Arian]

But the lazy river has an element of fun.

[Big T]

And there's usually one little waterfall you go under on a trip. Yeah. Lazy river's got to be. It's definitely in my top five. I do like the ocean. Ocean's good. Spent some time in the ocean. There's some whales out in the ocean.

[Jake]

And you.

[Arian]

And you were out there. Yes. Whales.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I don't do that.

[Big T]

It was awesome. It was incredible. They were like jumping out of the water.

[Arian]

Not incredible.

[Big T]

Really, really cool. You do you amazing stuff. I put ocean up there. I like a nice hot tub.

[Jake]

My vibe.

[Big T]

Yeah. Hot tub.

[Arian]

Do I put. No, I'd put hot tub. 4. I'd still keep the man made lagoon.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Is there a swim up bar? I'm gonna count swim up bar as one of my bodies of water.

[Arian]

Okay. I like that.

[Big T]

Okay, cool.

[Arian]

I do love a swim up bar. I hadn't been to one until like two Christmases ago.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And I was, I was big into the swim up bar.

[Big T]

The swim up bars. It's amazing.

[Arian]

I just go get a diet Coke. Just an excuse to go to the swim up bar. Just give me water. I don't care.

[Big T]

I just want to come up here more places. Should have a swim up bar.

[Jake]

See big D pretending to tread water while you can clearly stand up.

[Arian]

Oh, I'd walk.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Yeah. There was no. And then I'd have to take the drink all the way back to the other end of the pool that was deep enough for me to like, you know, kind of.

[Jake]

I become a full fledged child in the pool. Like, you know, I do the whole.

[Arian]

You stay off the ground.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. Do a couple karate kicks, flips.

[Madeline]

Handstand. Yeah. Are you doing handstands in the pool area?

[Jake]

Mermaids, definitely. I'm a handstand guy. Yep.

[Madeline]

Yeah. And you have kids, so it's like appropriate for you to act like that.

[Jake]

Oh, yeah. Throw them. Absolutely.

[Madeline]

Yeah.

[Jake]

All of them get tossed in.

[Big T]

Do you tell them like, watch this trick. Watch how long daddy can stay underwater?

[Jake]

Yeah, that's what they tell me. And then they like, how long can you. And I'm like, y' all do y'. All.

[Big T]

Yeah, I do.

[Madeline]

You know, you got to do the thing where you're like, okay, what's everyone's tail colors? And then they're going to be like blue with sparkles. And then you're going to be like, mine's pink.

[Arian]

I'm sorry, what?

[Jake]

Yeah, what is that?

[Madeline]

When you guys play mermaids and it's like when you play mermaids and then you pick the color of your mermaid tail and then you have an imaginary mermaid.

[Arian]

Why did. Why did you. That seems like an odd thing to assume that Aryan does.

[Madeline]

I'm saying, with his daughter. Not like.

[Arian]

Well, I know it.

[Madeline]

On his own doing that. That'd be so fun.

[Jake]

Yeah. I don't mind feminine activities, but that one has never came up.

[Madeline]

Oh, yeah, you got to pretend you're mermaid.

[Jake]

I throw them too. Yeah, yeah, they get. They get thrown.

[Arian]

Did you see. I saw a video recently of a woman, I guess, who worked at an aquarium and she was supposed to be a mermaid, like in there with the dolphins or fish or whatever, like swimming around and then she is trying to get up to the surface to breathe and she can't like move because she's stuck in her tail. So she has to pull the tail off in front of all the kids and then swim up to the top.

[Big T]

I don't know that. I don't know that I would have understood what Mad dog was talking about with the sparkly mermaid color tail.

[Arian]

Yeah, me neither. I mean, I get it sometimes.

[Jake]

All right. So I wasn't going to talk about this, but I'm kind of playing with it right now because I'm still trying to learn about it, but it's AI, but I think I underestimated a part of this. So one of my homeboys who he, he codes for this big company and he was telling me, he was basically like, yeah, I probably won't have a job in like two, three years. But he was like, very, like, nonchalant about it, like, it is what it is. And he was trying to explain to me why he's basically saying that.

[Big T]

He.

[Jake]

Is basically training the AI to take his job. And he was, he, he gave me. Okay, so there's another one called Claude that's out, right? So you have like chat gbt, you have grok, you have Claude. And he, he said, like, what's, what's kind of cracking right now in the air streets is that you have AI agents. Have you heard of that?

[Big T]

Yep.

[Jake]

So you have, like, you give it, I guess, permissions to learn your ways and then it can perform the tasks as you would. This is new to me and I'm fascinated. So he set me up with it. So I got, I got Claude and it's integrated now with my discord and I'm just. It's. It's fascinating what it. Fascinating what it can do.

[Big T]

So what does Claude do? What does Claude do for you every day?

[Jake]

Well, no, this is literally one of my first couple days doing it. And for me it's like, it's like research on, like, things that I'm interested in. Right. But so what's interesting about this particular aspect of it? The AI agent. So it's not. Claude is not the agent. Claude is the chat gbt. Right. It's just another version, probably a little better version of AI, but it's interwoven into a system that can integrate with, like an app, it can integrate with your iMessage, it can integrate with your Discord, WhatsApp, whatever the case may be. And it has the capabilities of Claude, but also has the capabilities of doing tasks for you. So let's say you get an email from your boss and you have Claude or ChatGPT integrated with that. It can read all of your emails and how you've always done emails, and it can draft a response for you and you can, and you can look over. Yep. Send it like that. That shit is crazy. And so, and I got a homegirl who's telling me she, she works for Amazon and she. They're basically like mandating that they understand how to use this and that they use it on a daily basis and that if you don't use it, you get flagged. And they're basically training people, getting. Collecting the data on this stuff to eventually take their jobs too. And she's like, yeah, probably. That's probably what we're doing. She's like, you know, I've planned for that already. And it's just fascinating to me that all of these big corporations. So if you look at like Mark Zuckerberg, right, he got caught, like, running a school, and then at school.

[Madeline]

He.

[Jake]

Doesn'T allow any of the kids to use any iPads or any of the technology. So the people that are making all this technology don't allow their kids to use the technology. But it's been thrust upon us.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

To collect data. And I, I am just blown away by this. Like, this is like a massive. To me, in 40 years, there's going to be like some documentary about how they congregate to us over. Because to Big T's credit, which I, I refuted at the time. Remember you were saying how there's cognitive decline in kids. Right. I was combating you on that and you were correct. You were right. The data is showing that that is the case.

[Arian]

It's bad.

[Jake]

Yeah, it's. It's in. Its exponents are getting worse. And so since then, I've been reading a lot about it. I don't let my kids use iPads anymore. I cut it off and just all of this is kind of overwhelming me. But playing with this shit is, is. It's fascinating. So have you seen the movie Surrogates by Bruce Willis?

[Big T]

No, I don't think so.

[Jake]

No. It's kind of where. So the crux of the movie is he. He's. He lives in his house where he just is dormant. There's an. A robot that has his co. Has coded his brain. All his thoughts, all his emotions, all. Everything. He sends that out to the world to do all those things. And everybody has a surrogate and they're all out. And the premise of it is he's not, but he ends up being that anyway. Spoiler alert. But that's. It's kind of the world we're headed in. It's insane. It's wild.

[Big T]

Yeah. So aren't the AI agents just getting trained on your data? Like, I've read a lot about the agents, like, turning on people and like, threatening blackmail, going crazy. Like, there's one experiment where they, like, they created a fake vending machine business and the AI agent kept misinterpreting and misunderstanding emails and missed invoices and started to think that they were the subject of a massive conspiracy and like a global money laundering business. And then they started draft emails to, to like law enforcement and the FBI, when in reality it was just like a normal fake vending machine business.

[Jake]

Yeah. So, I mean, I think, I don't, I don't know, I don't think anybody knows the extent of the capabilities of what this is going to be. I think I underestimated it at first. I still think that. So like, I started playing with it, I was like, okay, because my homeboy who makes music, he's really into AI. And at first he used to send me like these little shorts that he did. And I was like, stop sending me this shit. This is slop. I hate this shit. But he's like, yo, it's the future. Whether you want it to be or not, it's going to happen. And so like, I kind of started like, I downloaded the app and I started playing with it. I understand it a little bit better, Claude. I started to understand a little bit better. So I don't know that I think Ben Affleck was spot on when he was talking about it. He was, he was saying, I don't know that it's ever going to be able to be capable of creating in the way that humans do. He, he said that he thinks they always need humans to like, because if you give it a prompt, it's kind of as shitty as whatever prompt you give it. But if you get, if you give it a very intricate and articulate prompt, it can create some amazing things. But that's, it's, it's battery packed by your initial creativity. I don't think it can come up with its own stuff. It's pretty mundane. And so it's going to end up just being a useful tool like a, you know, CGI or a guitar. And it's. And it's about, but it is going to cut into the job market a thousand percent. And so that's what I'm more focused on is like, how this is going to impact. And it's going to happen very fast because like, I'm talking about these are people in high, high end jobs in the tech world that are saying, yeah, it's probably going to cut my job out or, or people's jobs up under me. And then, and there's like, it's like, yeah, it's gonna happen. And so there's gonna be backlash to that. Real consequences. So it's like, I don't know, I'm just really starting to try to take this in. I think it's deeper than what I thought it was originally.

[Big T]

I read that article, Something big is happening. Everybody freaked out when it came out. I read it, I got pissed off while I was reading it because I was like, this thing is very clearly written by AI. Like he wrote the big, the big warning, flashing, blinking sign about AI and it's clearly you can tell. And I've gotten to the point where I can, I can sniff out AI, I think quicker than most average people. I think I've, I've seen and, and heard enough of it. And there's so much AI out there. Like if you're trying to watch a YouTube video about anything, like learn about something on YouTube, chances are the first couple things that you click on it's just going to be like an AI script and it's going to get stuff wrong and it sucks. And this, this article that he wrote, I'm sure he edited it, I'm sure he, he went back and you know, he reviewed it, he reviewed what the AI wrote for him. He gave it prompts in terms of like the general tone. But if I, if I read this big warning sign about AI and it's written by AI, I'm just kind of like, all right, dude, I, I get what you're trying to do here. This guy I think is just trying to do what a lot of people in the AI business have been trying to do, which is make it seem exceptionally scary. Like we're on the verge of a complete singularity where nothing is going to be the same in the next six months. And you better, you better invest in AI because it's going to be five companies that are going to run the world. And if you're not on board with those five companies, you're going to be poor and you're job is not going to matter. You're going to be fired. It's a big marketing thing to try to get investment, I think into their companies because they know that all the, that they've tried to do so far with their big AI engines and their different agents that they've tried to put out, they haven't worked in business to business, they haven't been able to sell. And the ones that they've been able to sell are getting complaints from the businesses they sell into because guess what, the AI is not ready yet to be customer facing. And so now they're hemorrhaging money. They Got to build more data centers to make the AI better so that way the AI won't cost them customers after they get the customers. And it seems like it's. It. I don't want to say it's like they're in a doom cycle right now, but it doesn't. I don't think it's nearly as dangerous as, as everybody is saying right now. I don't think that AI is ready to take over the world. I don't think it's anywhere close to being ready to take over the world. I think that it can do some useful stuff for you. Like if it's talking about like organizing your calendar or responding to some emails, I'm sure that's fine. But you don't want to automate all the systems that your company depends on around something that's so error prone as AI. And you especially don't want your AI writing its own code and then doing quality assurance tests on itself to test to make sure that it's ready to be delivered when you know that there's a good chance that it misses something. Like there's a lot of stuff that's wrong with AI right now. It's not perfect. It's not close to being perfect. Anybody that says that the world is on the like the razor's edge of teetering into the robot apocalypse, they're usually trying to sell you something.

[Jake]

Yeah, I think I agree with you. I think the only caveat is I would add that if the major corporations had it their way, they would absolutely go that route. And they're trying to. And they're using current employees, and this is my summation anyway, that they're using current employees and they're collecting data upon data upon data on. And they're. And they're feeding it into the idea of this that they're eventually trying to get to, to automate all of their systems.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

And so that's what's scary to me.

[Arian]

I'm generally dubious of these claims that have started to come out that in the next 12 months like everything's going to be crazy. But I did, I know some people who kind of work in this field and one of them said is on the side of like you, you have no idea what's coming type deal. But he said any, he said it's going to cause a lot of job loss. But that in the immediate, like yes, that will suck. But that we've basically society is very good at finding things to call work and paying people for it. And I really thought about that and I was like, how many people do you know whose job existed 50 years ago? Not. And I really thought about it. I was like not a ton.

[Big T]

Cops, firefighters.

[Arian]

Okay. Ours certainly didn't.

[Big T]

Ours did not. Well, yeah, it just, it did kind of.

[Arian]

But listen, like Madeline's definitely didn't what?

[Big T]

Producer.

[Arian]

But like social.

[Big T]

Social. Yeah, but I mean our job kind of did kind of radio.

[Arian]

It's evolved but way, way, way less democratized. Like not in a way that far less.

[Jake]

There were gatekeepers into that industry.

[Arian]

Yes.

[Jake]

Whereas to now if you can no longer exist.

[Arian]

Yeah, but like, so I do think there's something, something to that where even if it's as crazy as everybody says it is, and maybe there is a, you know, a five year period where the economy tanks and it's really bad, whatever, I do think we'll figure it out. Like, and there's no way to really predict what that looks like. Because if you had said in 2000, like, hey, my job's going to be doing social media for companies. People be like, what the hell does that mean?

[Jake]

Right?

[Big T]

Like, so software is always going to get better. It's always going to get faster. And that's what's happening with AI. It's just a fancy name for like super fast, almost self intelligent software. And it's going to, it's going to improve some things and then it's not going to be the like panacea that's going to change every single thing and make everything perfect about your life. You're still going to need to have people to build the stuff that the AI software systems tell it to do. Like if you're, let's say you're putting AI in charge of a library, right? You still need people to stock the shelves or to build the robots that will stock the shelves. It doesn't matter how perfect the AI software is. Yeah.

[Arian]

This guy said on almost every quantifiable and meaningful metric, the US and world is better than it's ever been. Life expectancy, extreme poverty, violence and war deaths, education and literacy, gdp, so on and so forth. Except people are more miserable than ever. Happiness has been declining since the early 2000s. Loneliness and social mistrust are going up, not down. Mental health issues are up, not down. I think objectively AI is going to change the world unfathomably for the better and people are going to be less happy. There will be a lot of near term job loss, particularly entry level. The whole college graduating group might be fucked for a long time, but everyone will figure out new Jobs. Almost none of our jobs existed in the 1700s. Most of our jobs barely existed in the 1950s. Society is insanely resilient at making up new activities to call work. By the way, this is my Vol's group chat. This is what we do all day.

[Big T]

I love that.

[Jake]

When a game's not on, life is bigger than ball, man.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's a good point. Like, people figure out like, oh, this is, this is work now. Yeah, people get paid for this. People have to get paid for something.

[Arian]

But it is interesting that most of the jobs we've created in the last 50 years revolve around technology. Whereas if that now becomes the thing that is taking jobs away, what jobs do you create? Like you said stocking shelves at the library like, okay, but. But at some point people want to make more than $12 an hour.

[Big T]

Manual labor might be back.

[Jake]

Art, maybe all for subsidizing art. That's. I've been firm on that. But yeah, I think, I think, I think anytime you have new automation, shareholder pressure, jobs will be lost.

[Arian]

Yep.

[Jake]

I don't know. Fascinating though. But I, I advise you and everybody in that field always says, hey, you got to learn this, like just around with it. Get a chat. GPT or Claude or Rock or whatever the case may be and around with the start to understand because it's going to be here. It's not going anywhere.

[Big T]

I don't know that I trust Claude to just like run amok on my phone.

[Jake]

No, no, no, no, hold on.

[Big T]

Like, I'm just gonna. Hey, hey, Claude, here's my phone. Have fun.

[Jake]

You give it very well. I mean, the, the. So, so my man's is running me through it, right? He. I'm on Discord and I'm sharing my screen with him and he's showing me how. I'm basically coding. He's like teaching me how to code and to integrate the systems. But you don't give it permissions to do all of that. No, you don't give. Has permission to be in my Discord. Right? Right. I can't look at my phone. I can't look at all that stuff. Right? And like he, we, we went through step by step and I was in it for like two hours figuring this out. It was fascinating shit. Feel like a dork. And that's where, but that's where the world is headed. And so he doesn't, he can't look at my messages. He can't, he can't even look at my profile picture on Discord.

[Arian]

Do you trust that, like you, you think?

[Jake]

I mean, I think to a certain extent there's a way to crack into anything. I think, I think if somebody wanted to Big T, they could crack into your laptop. I don't understand it to the degree of how, I don't understand the degree of, like, if you were to look at the computer inside out and look at all the coding, I don't understand that shit. But as far as the permissions that he ran me through, could there be some code in there that says, haha, got you? Sure. But I feel like that's with anything. If you sign terms of condition, if you go to a website, you can go to a website, get a virus, and they can give you permissions to whatever, anything can happen. Do I think that has happened with the integration of my discord and Claude? No. Just because I went through two hours of kind of reading all the code, understanding the permissions and understanding. I just don't think that that's the case. But again, not an expert in the field, so could have signed my life away. But, you know, we'll see, I'll let you know in six months.

[Arian]

And what's the, the benefit of that?

[Jake]

For this? Yeah, the integration.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Jake]

Right now I don't really have one, but I'm also a retired NFL player that podcasts and golfs. And so what I am interested in is seeing how the technology, like, understanding its limits, understanding what it can and can't do that way. This is like when iPhones first came out, you know, they're very different. And so I got an iPhone. I just wanted to see. I, I, I'm always of the belief I don't want technology to pass me by because that wherever technology goes, the world goes. And so I, I just want to know and understand it. So benefit. I don't know if there's, if it benefits me to that degree. It does help me structure and organize things. But as far as like, am I getting anything like, valuable out of it? I don't think so at this moment. Well, it's new. I don't know. We'll see.

[Big T]

Yeah, I'm always gonna be a little bit hesitant to just like run one of these agents. I feel that I don't want it starting a Reddit thread threatening to hold me hostage or sell me.

[Jake]

Sell you is crazy.

[Big T]

That's what some of them been doing.

[Arian]

I do think the benefit for us just in this room is that this company is too dumb to replicate. So I think we're safe.

[Big T]

There is one person who works at this company And I'm not going to name names.

[Arian]

I know where this is going.

[Big T]

We usually don't like to get messy, but I mean, I'll get a little bit messy. It's like a little, little dirty. There's one, one person that works at this company and this person uses AI a lot, a lot. And it's not particularly, it's not close. It's like very, very AI for a lot of things that they put out a lot of their content. And I feel insulted when I read it.

[Arian]

You wanna, you wanna call them in here?

[Big T]

No, no, I just want to say, like, I, I feel insulted when I read it. The things that this person is trying to communicate are not. We're not doing molecular biology in some of the stuff that this person's writing about. And then you've got a robot that's like telling you how to. It's just, it's annoying to watch, it's annoying to read.

[Arian]

Wow. Pft off.

[Big T]

I'm, I'm a little teed off. It's disrespectful. Now if you're using AI to like, proofread your shit, if you're not a good speller, God knows we've got some people who aren't. Good spelling, that's totally fine. Like, I got no problem with, you know, it's the same as using Microsoft Word and you got a little regular red squiggly line underneath. Hey, fix this. Proofread, good proofread. But don't, don't, don't just have AI do your job for you. That's what, that's the beauty of this company is we've got a lot of weird people that work here. Sometimes they've got bad takes, bad ideas. And then the bad takes and bad ideas, they come to us naturally and they fuel the ecosystem here. If you just give sanitized bullshit that's fed to you by, by a chat GPT or a grok or whatever, you're gonna lose the magic that makes this place great. And I want to see that happen. I'm not saying that it's happening a lot. I'm just saying there's one person that I've noticed so people are noticing.

[Arian]

You know, you said about the proofreading area to what Arian was talking about in school and stuff. I think I heard this from a teacher on TikTok talking about it, but he said a kid in his class, they had finished whatever they were working on and he was doing something for another class, and the teacher walked by and he was Just on chat GPT saying, write this. And the teacher was like, come on, dude. Like, really? And he was like. The prompt he put into it was, write a paper on this. Include common spelling and grammar mistakes that would be characteristic of a 10th grade student whose GPA is whatever. So, like, they're. They're anti proofreading. They're doing the opposite of what you're talking about with this. This employee. They're sanitizing it to make it look. Try to look like they did it.

[Big T]

That we're gonna bring back the. The blue exam books in college.

[Arian]

I don't understand why there was this. I guess I get it, like, you want to be able to do as much stuff technologically as you can, but in the last 10 years, there's been this rush for like every school child in America to be given a laptop, which I think has directly led to the decline in everything that we've seen in schools. I think Covid had something to do with it, but AI and the. Giving every kid a computer and iPad way more. And so now they all just do that all day.

[Big T]

Yeah. Bring back. Bring back hand.

[Arian]

Right. With a pencil.

[Big T]

I. I had a. I had a teacher in high school, and her rule was you have to write all your essays in cursive. Can you believe that?

[Arian]

Well, that's ridiculous. Yeah. I don't even think they teach cursive.

[Big T]

They don't. And they. They really stopped doing any cursive when I was in high school too, besides, like, signing your name. But I had one teacher that was like, I'm not giving up on this cursive thing. You'll thank me for it one day.

[Arian]

I don't understand the. Were people ever writing in cursive in, like, professional settings or maybe in the 40s?

[Big T]

Longhand. Yeah, they call it longhand. Write your love. Your love letters. You can't print a love letter.

[Arian]

Sure.

[Big T]

You have to have, like, a bit of penmanship to it, maybe some calligraphy, but. Yeah.

[Jake]

Kids still passing them notes.

[Big T]

Yeah, kids still are. They're going to do. Just text. They can text. But I still feel. I feel like there's some notes, you know.

[Jake]

You know, the. Them shits.

[Arian]

Yeah, the thing.

[Jake]

Yeah, well, those. Yeah. Yeah, that's. You know. And then the way girls used to give you letters.

[Madeline]

Right.

[Jake]

We would just fold them up in a square or rectangle and give them to the girls. But the girls had these, like, fantastic designs where you would pull a little piece of paper and I think would open up all beautiful. Man, those were the days.

[Arian]

Tell Me, if this was Yalls experience in school from like 5th to 10th or 11th grade. Did every girl have the exact same handwriting?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Was that Madeline or was that Yalls experiences? I don't know how that happens.

[Madeline]

I went to an all girls high school. Can you imagine the handwriting envy I had for these girls?

[Arian]

Easy to cheat. They all somehow write exactly the same.

[Madeline]

Yeah. I didn't have that cute girl handwriting. And literally going to an all girls school whenever there was like a project that was on like a poster board, you know, and you had to write stuff out and they would paste them in the classroom. I always got so envious because I was like, I wish my handwriting was.

[Arian]

Is it taught somewhere?

[Madeline]

No, it's. I believe it's some form of just tradition passed down.

[Arian]

It's innate.

[Madeline]

I think so.

[Jake]

You know, I'm thinking about. Because yeah, they all do. It's like those cute little letters and it's all very neat. It's all neat. I think they just were better at school.

[Madeline]

Well, that, yes, but that what I'm saying.

[Jake]

So like when we were learning how to write, we were like whatever. And we developed a style out of that, which was horrible.

[Madeline]

It's a way. I literally studied this in high school because I wanted to have my handwriting look like other girls that might be really stupid to admit. They wouldn't move their wrists. It would just be moving your hand basically, so your wrist stays the same. So it's very uniform and straight is what I got from it. But it never came naturally to me. Did you have that handwriting in high school? No, I don't like, not really. Yeah, but I've never really had like good handwriting. Yeah, my penmanship was always just kind of its. It was its own thing. But that was definitely a thing. But that was a girl handwriting. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah, it's. It's interesting. I've never thought of that until now. But it's all the same. Like guys. Guys all have different handwriting.

[Arian]

Wildly. In legibility.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Madeline]

Yeah, it's chicken scratch most of the time. Like anytime someone here is like, oh, can someone write on this whiteboard? It's like they just ask one of the girls.

[Big T]

Yeah, can a girl do it?

[Madeline]

Yeah, like that's all they're asking. And the girls with the best handwriting 80% of the time became teachers. Yes.

[Big T]

It's shocking.

[Madeline]

Or maybe a nurse. Yes.

[Big T]

It's always shocking to see a. A woman with bad handwriting. It's like, whoa.

[Madeline]

Yeah.

[Big T]

What happened to you?

[Madeline]

Is she okay? Right.

[Big T]

What class?

[Madeline]

What? Did you honestly miss that? Like Might have been me. Because I was such a tomboy growing up. I was probably like, I don't want to have good handwriting. I don't want.

[Big T]

Everything okay?

[Madeline]

I don't like this girl.

[Big T]

Everything okay at home? Yeah.

[Madeline]

Why. Why is your penmanship poor? Yeah. What's your dad been teaching you? Single. Single ways Raised by a single dad has horrible handling. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. Big T, you got anything else that you want to join? Do we want to talk about the Michael Michael Jordan thing?

[Arian]

It was weird.

[Big T]

It's weird. It's weird.

[Jake]

No. Does he know that kid?

[Big T]

He's got to. But it's weird.

[Jake]

If he knows the kid. It makes it. I don't want to say less weird. It's still kind of odd to do.

[Arian]

I think it's weird. Regardless.

[Big T]

It's weird. Regardless.

[Jake]

It's weird.

[Big T]

He might be weird. He might be like, thing. Like, we've had uncles and that, like, mess with us and, like, twist our ear or, like, you know, the year, though it wasn't the ear. Like the rough house a little bit with us. Like, sometimes dudes just. But that's weird. This. What he did was weird.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

It was like the butt and then the back, the leg, and like.

[Arian]

Eight times.

[Big T]

Eight times. Maybe he was. Maybe Michael Jordan was messed up. That's weird, too.

[Arian]

And none of us want. Want to disparage Mike.

[Big T]

No, it's weird, dude. It's weird. It's just weird. And then it's weird that this kid now, like, his video is out there. Like, his friends have seen this.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Now this kid's going viral. He didn't do anything. He didn't ask to be in this position. That's weird.

[Jake]

Whole thing is kind of weird.

[Big T]

Whole thing's weird.

[Madeline]

And I know what happened, but mackenzie.

[Arian]

Doesn'T just go search Michael Jordan on Twitter.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

I genuinely actually don't. I wasn't tuned.

[Big T]

So. He won the. His team won the Daytona 500.

[Madeline]

I saw that, but I didn't rate. His team won the Daytona 500. This is. Wasn't at the All Star game.

[Arian]

No.

[Madeline]

No.

[Jake]

I don't know, man. It's.

[Big T]

I think that as a society, we've.

[Arian]

We've.

[Big T]

We've become trained to, like, spot threats and, like, very quick to point a finger, be like, this person is a dirty, sick pervert.

[Arian]

Oh.

[Big T]

Because there's been a lot of dirty, sick pervert. This is weird.

[Arian]

I don't think it was anything nefarious.

[Big T]

I don't think it's nefarious. I think it was a weird way.

[Jake]

Of he of him being like, ah, come here. A little squirt, but still very weird.

[Big T]

Yeah. Like, if that was your son, that's your son. You'd probably not like him to do that again.

[Madeline]

It's like one too many. Like maybe like four too many times. Like, if he did one, I'd be like, ah, we'll squirt. But like, why is he doing that?

[Jake]

I feel like maybe he was trying to get his attention and he wasn't turning around and might be faded. Mike, do be faded. And it. It just was like, you know what I'm saying?

[Big T]

Just one.

[Jake]

That's what it looks like.

[Big T]

Off. Off. Rip.

[Madeline]

The second one is even weirder.

[Big T]

Yeah, it's weird to the leg. It's weird. It's.

[Jake]

Come on, man. Come on, man.

[Big T]

Tighten up.

[Jake]

That ain't it.

[Big T]

Like, what is the. What's the PR move if you're Michael Jordan here? Like, I don't think there is a PR move.

[Madeline]

You just. I think you just hope it dies.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Madeline]

This is why he stayed inside most of the. His retired years. Wait, what the heck? He didn't want to be in the news like this.

[Big T]

Yeah. Is he just gonna, like, I don't know, appear with a child on video like a live stream for like an hour? Just not. Not ever being weird. Once we have it.

[Jake]

We have a template on that going very, very bad.

[Arian]

And you gotta put out a statement this morning being like, hey, sorry about that. That was weird. It wasn't. You know.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I guess maybe in this day and age you just let it go.

[Big T]

What is. What's best case scenario here? It's like, that's his good friend son. They have a close relationship.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

There's a lot of horseplay. They, like, wrestle from time to time, but like normal. Normal dude wrestling. And that was a weird moment that got caught on camera.

[Jake]

I think in the. In the climate that we're in. I think you're right. In the climate that we're in. Seeing that on the Internet is wild, but just looking at. I think it's innocent in itself.

[Big T]

Just.

[Jake]

I do. I don't think. I don't think it's. What? No. But it is weird. But I don't. But it's weird because of. Of a me thing.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I think it's an innocent interaction with a child. I don't. But it's still weird.

[Big T]

It's weird. That's her official statement. It's weird.

[Arian]

Your favorite guy, Brian Krassenstein weighed in.

[Big T]

Oh, my. My favorite guy. Yeah.

[Arian]

Yeah. Did you see his tweet?

[Big T]

I did not. I should set up notifications for.

[Arian]

These guys are real, right?

[Big T]

Yeah. The real guys.

[Arian]

They're not. They're not trolls.

[Big T]

They are. No, they. They've kind of. They're grifters and they've always been grifters. And if you follow, I. I think I first found out about them in, like 2015. And I've always observed them from afar, clearly grifting off everything. They don't believe half the shit that they.

[Arian]

But grift is different than troll.

[Big T]

Well, sometimes they troll for interaction. Here's where Elon fucked everything up in diagram. By. By making. By monetizing interactions on his little website. He's inspired people and encouraged people to do a combination of the grif troll where they don't even know what they are trying to get across anymore. They just want people to respond to them so they can make more money. And then those voices get amplified and then pretty soon we all think everyone else is insane. And that's. That's what Elon's done to. To x.com the everything app. So I, Yeah, I used to follow the guys. They are trolls. They're also grifters, but I do think that they probably are. Their politics are probably liberal, but they also grift hard into that and they do almost like exaggerations in order to piss people off and get more interaction. Yeah, they're losers is what they are.

[Arian]

Well, okay, so with.

[Big T]

With also, I think convicted of fraud, maybe that Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Arian]

Well, so Brian said, quote, people have to try to sexualize everything. The kid is wet and probably has ice down his shirt after the celebration. Stop trying to pretend that Michael Jordan sexually assaulted a kid on national tv. It says more about you than him.

[Big T]

Okay, so he probably had ice down his shirt.

[Arian]

Right?

[Big T]

Are we. Are we confirming that that's what.

[Arian]

That's what Brian said?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Jake]

I mean, I, I don't necessarily. I don't about the ice thing, but I don't necessarily disagree that it's probably like, it's a me thing. Thinking that's weird because of my.

[Big T]

Experience.

[Jake]

With grown men touching kids. And it's not in that manner. That's a me thing, but it is weird.

[Madeline]

Yeah. I think regardless of what. Whatever his intentions were, it still is weird to see, like, yeah, it doesn't. Like, there's no way to go about being like, oh, that was normal. Like, if you see anybody do that, you'd be like, that's weird.

[Big T]

Yeah, it's weird. I hadn't thought about the ice angle. I just watched it. It's possible that during a celebration for winning the Daytona 500, there was like Gatorade baths and like ice and champagne and shit flying everywhere. Was he trying to get ice out of his shirt, like messing around with him?

[Arian]

All right, so then explain to me. Then rubbing of the leg, tickles.

[Big T]

Then possibly rubbing the ice on the back of his leg being like, haha, it's a cold, cold trick. I don't know, it's. It's still weird.

[Arian]

I just counted. There are 16 strokes.

[Jake]

Yo, strokes is not the. That is not the word to use there. My God.

[Arian]

Oh, he strokes the back of his leg. Okay, there are 16 grabs. Slash, touches.

[Madeline]

Tickle.

[Jake]

I'm going with tickles.

[Arian]

Yeah, you. I think you.

[Jake]

You can't be out here saying Mike's giving kids strokes, dog.

[Arian]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jake]

That.

[Arian]

Now that. That's bad.

[Jake]

Yeah, that was. You just said.

[Arian]

No, I said there are 16 strokes. Touches, caresses. Is that. That's worse.

[Jake]

Yeah, Mike gotta tighten that up, dog.

[Arian]

I think you get. I see this, you four there. You can explain away the 16. The 16 is weird.

[Big T]

I mean, some, sometimes dudes, like, you mess around with your boys. You like, you know, you shove them a little bit. This is weird though. This is. I don't know. Makes me sad watching it because it's like. Mike, what's going on, man? Everything okay?

[Arian]

Just. Just excited. They won the. The 500.

[Big T]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Arian]

And we all definitely know what driver that was.

[Big T]

Was it Denny Hamlin?

[Arian]

Oh, I have no idea.

[Big T]

I know that he's boys with Denny Hamlin.

[Arian]

I was just seeing if anyone here knew.

[Big T]

I'm going to guess Denny Hamlin.

[Arian]

Hold please.

[Madeline]

Tyler Reddick.

[Arian]

Yeah, I for sure know him.

[Big T]

Oh, Tyler Reddick.

[Arian]

Yeah, one of my faves.

[Big T]

Good guy. I think he came into the office.

[Jake]

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[Arian]

Keep up.

[Jake]

It's golf. Tune in to every match, only on espn.

[Big T]

Let's see what else we got.

[Arian]

Oh, I do have. Yeah, two teed offs. Okay, proceed if you want to get to that. So the first involves my Valentine's Day where I. I went to this restaurant and had a late reservation. Because that's by. By the time I booked it, it was late. It was 8:45.

[Jake]

So you figure at 8:40 you booked it at 8:45?

[Arian]

Well, not. But not by choice. That was what was left at this place.

[Jake]

What. How far out did you book it?

[Arian]

I mean, I can tell you it was in January.

[Jake]

Oh, that's. Yeah. That's fair then. Okay, go ahead.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

It was not. It was not last minute.

[Jake]

Yeah. Okay.

[Arian]

So we get there, and it's a very small restaurant, but it. They had said on the website, like, we are strictly enforcing our 45 on Valentine's Day, we will kick you out to ensure that there will be enough tables at this restaurant. So I get there at 8:45. You think, surely the place is going to be thin and out by then.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Elbow to elbow. Can't move. Not a table coming open in sight. So he's stand there for five, 10, 15 minutes. And at 15, I started to get a little annoyed. I felt like the. The clip from Seinfeld where he. He has the rental car.

[Big T]

Yep. And they're taking reservations. Yeah. Yeah.

[Arian]

What's the. What's the reservation for if not to hold the table? And so we fought. I think we probably. And by the way, there's nowhere to sit. You're just standing in the corner of this tiny little restaurant, from me to you to the hostess stand. And I think we ended up standing there about 25 minutes before we finally sat down. That's the end of the story. They just made me wait a long time.

[Big T]

That is annoying, I'll give you that.

[Arian]

Yeah. So I was teed off about it. The second one involves Madeline's alma mater, Miami University, as they would like to be called now. Pft. You've been around for a while. I've been around for nearly three decades at this point. Our entire lives, this school has been Miami of Ohio. That's what you call it. And now they're finally in the spotlight a little bit. Only undefeated team in college basketball, and they are demanding that they be called just Miami. You can't call the Miami of Ohio. I guess it's disrespectful.

[Jake]

I respect their pronouns.

[Madeline]

Well, may I. May I speak?

[Arian]

Yes.

[Madeline]

So going there and being from the Midwest, everyone that I knew growing up, we all called it Miami, knowing it was the Ohio one. So when I was home in Cleveland for the summer, they'd be like, oh, or whoever would Be. Oh, where'd you go to school? I would say Miami. Everyone knew I went to school in.

[Arian]

Southwest Ohio, which makes sense because you're in Ohio.

[Madeline]

Right. Moving to New York City after school. I changed it. Where do school? Miami University. It's in Ohio. You know, Miami of Ohio. Because you have to adjust based on your audience here. I can. In Chicago, I can say Miami. And 70% of the time they think it's Ohio.

[Arian]

I don't want to deny your lived experience.

[Madeline]

Exactly. And you would never would.

[Arian]

But that, that sounds like a really high number in, in the second largest city in America. If you say Miami, I need you.

[Madeline]

To realize that pretty much every person, almost every person that is in Wrigleyville or like Linkin park or any neighborhood or area where young children or young, young adults coagulate, there is a good chance that 25 to 40% of those people went to Miami of Ohio.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Arian]

That's. Okay now, now I will deny your numbers.

[Big T]

That is, that is a crazy.

[Madeline]

Okay, 25, 40.

[Arian]

Of how many Chicago went to Miami? How many, how many students do they have?

[Madeline]

20,000.

[Arian]

Oh, okay. But still.

[Madeline]

Okay, 40 high. 40 high. 10. 10 to 20.

[Arian]

Still remarkable.

[Big T]

I think very high.

[Madeline]

You guys. If.

[Arian]

I mean, I think you're talking one to two person, top of my head.

[Big T]

I'm going to give you some other schools that they might have gone to. Ohio State, Ohio State, Illinois, the Ohio State, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Northwest, a lot of Michigan, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ton of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Notre Dame.

[Madeline]

You would be shocked at how many Miami people are in Chicago. And if you see a really, really hot woman. Yeah, okay, that was.

[Arian]

I don't know.

[Big T]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Arian]

Go on.

[Big T]

If I see a hot woman, the.

[Madeline]

Hottest woman you see at a bar, good chance chewing to Miami.

[Big T]

I'm.

[Madeline]

Okay, I'm not putting myself in that category. Please. But I am saying you're noticing the hottest women who have ever seen came out of Miami of Ohio. And I'm that you. I will lay my life down for that statistic. Okay, that's true. I always said Miami of Ohio and not meant it or. And not had it be an offensive. People didn't know it was an offensive thing until we got really good at basketball all of a sudden. But they're probably saying like it's offensive because the Miami that my alma mater is named after is a Native American tribe, not the city in Maine, Florida. So it's based off of the Native American tribe. And I'm probably assuming that it has something to do with that.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Madeline]

And they always say, Miami was a school before Florida was a state. My Miami, that's like our thing.

[Jake]

Okay.

[Madeline]

We were Miami first.

[Big T]

I mean, it does matter where you grew up. If you ask anybody from, like, my part of the country, Mid Atlantic, they.

[Madeline]

Would go for Florida.

[Big T]

They would probably say Florida. If you said, what is Tech? We would say, oh, you're talking about Virginia Tech. But then you go out west, it's like, tech is Texas Tech or Georgia or like usc.

[Madeline]

People think South Carolina in certain parts of the country.

[Arian]

Right. I would say the same thing for people who, who refer to South Carolina as usc. Yeah, I would say that.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Arian]

That was weird.

[Jake]

That was weird. When I went to. I went to Tennessee and everybody saying, oh, we're playing USC this weekend. I was like, oh, word. They're like, yeah, the Gamecocks. I'm like, what?

[Madeline]

Right? Or. Or. And. And again, not to deny your lived experience. Big T. U, T. Well, that's.

[Jake]

I do encounter that a lot here.

[Madeline]

Yeah.

[Arian]

But in Texas, obviously. That makes sense.

[Jake]

Yeah. I, I have fun correcting people. And you gave me that little nugget, big T that you. Tennessee was first. So people be like, People like, oh, you went to ut the other. You know, the other ut. I was like, yeah, well, you went to the. The fake ut.

[Arian]

It's. It's the same thing as what Madeline said. University of Tennessee was a school before Texas was a state. Also. It wouldn't be a state were it not for people from Tennessee. So kind of have them over a barrel and couple ways.

[Jake]

Facts. Yeah. I love, I love telling people that.

[Arian]

Be the University of Mexico without our ass.

[Madeline]

Yeah. But I, I under. I don't understand why they're saying it's offensive, but technically, nowhere in my.

[Arian]

They're on their high horse, right?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Madeline]

No, Nowhere in my school's name is it like Miami University of Ohio. It's just Miami University.

[Arian]

They're getting a little too big for their britches. That was. That was my overarching point.

[Big T]

They might be.

[Madeline]

Let us. I mean, I think it's fair that we have this, like, one little shining moment and.

[Big T]

Well, that and also every hot chick.

[Arian]

In America, every hottest one you've ever.

[Madeline]

Seen, this one wants you. I swear to God that's true, too. I swear to God that's true.

[Arian]

I'm going to. I'm going to.

[Madeline]

You put that up against the University of Miami.

[Jake]

That's what I'm saying.

[Madeline]

I would consider the. The caliber of women that exit those schools similar.

[Arian]

With all due respect. With all due Respect.

[Madeline]

Alex Earl could go have gone to Miami of Ohio.

[Big T]

A Bella danger.

[Madeline]

I'm sure there were girls that were doing porn at Miami of Ohio. Yeah, sure.

[Arian]

I'm sure every college in America has attractive women, but there, there are, there are schools to, to where that is amplified. And Miami, Ohio is not the first one that comes to mind.

[Madeline]

But that's because you haven't been there. It's low key. It's low key.

[Arian]

It's this hidden gym in Ohio has.

[Madeline]

Some of the hottest girls, hottest women you've ever seen. That's not. I'm not with you even a little bit. The hottest women you've ever seen.

[Big T]

And I'm looking this up.

[Madeline]

On. I, I believe. I believe. And this is how. How beautiful I think my campus is. I believe the women there are on par with Arizona, Colorado, Boulder, and the Miami and Florida.

[Arian]

What, What a list you've compiled. Colorado, Colorado, Boulders. I'm sure there are plenty of attractive girls that go there, but I don't, I don't think that's the first one that comes to many people's minds.

[Madeline]

Oh, I feel like that's like well known for a lot of pretty girls.

[Arian]

Maybe they're. They, they actually, they're number seven on this list that I'm looking at.

[Madeline]

My. Wait, Miami, Ohio or Boulder?

[Arian]

No, Colorado.

[Big T]

I got news for you. Every school has hot chicks.

[Madeline]

All right, you guys don't get it, but that's fine. You guys aren't. Aren't respecting.

[Arian]

You had to go by conference because obviously by school it's going to vary a ton. But by conference, where would the Mac rank for you in terms of hottest women? I think, I think number one is obvious.

[Big T]

Number one is SEC.

[Arian]

Clearly. Number two, you have to go Big 12 because that's Arizona. Arizona State. You get the Texas schools.

[Big T]

No, not really.

[Arian]

Texas Tech, Houston.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think.

[Arian]

Acc.

[Big T]

Not bad.

[Arian]

So there you get Florida State, Miami. But it's a hard drop off.

[Big T]

Yeah, Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Clemson.

[Arian]

Clemson.

[Big T]

Probably.

[Arian]

Okay, but like, who's your four? Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse. It's a hard fall.

[Madeline]

Syracuse, Syracuse, Syracuse. Yeah.

[Arian]

Really?

[Madeline]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

They're on their UNC on sub.

[Arian]

Oh, okay.

[Big T]

But again, UNC is great.

[Madeline]

And Michael May.

[Big T]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Arian]

Now do we need to talk about. Now that Big ten gives you usc, ucla.

[Big T]

That's why they expanded.

[Madeline]

I think Wisconsin has a ton of really pretty girls.

[Arian]

Indiana.

[Big T]

Yeah, you got, you got your west coast elite schools.

[Arian]

I would still go Big 12 too.

[Big T]

But I feel like USC, they've gotten less pretty since they joined the Big Ten.

[Madeline]

Really?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Some of that Midwest, I think they.

[Big T]

I think they kind of got, you know, complacent. They. A lot of excuses. Oh, we're pretty.

[Madeline]

We.

[Big T]

We're going to be in the cold weather like half the time anyways. You know, I'm not. I'm not knocking anything. It's just, you know, sometimes you get comfortable.

[Arian]

Okay. But in some order, we have those four. So let's keep going. Then you're. Then you're gonna go maybe Mac. Fifth.

[Big T]

Mac. Sunbelt.

[Arian]

Sunbelt. Oh, Sunbelt's gonna be up. Georgia Southern. Have you. Have you. Do you know about Georgia Southern?

[Big T]

I do. You go in a bar in the south and you see the hottest chick every time. She went to JMU. Every time.

[Arian]

Every single one.

[Big T]

JMU does have a reputation. About 65, 70% woman, female to. To male ratio. And it's. It's pretty good. Like the. The meme of SEC boyfriend. That was very true at JMU because it was like 70% women, 30% dudes. So girls would, like, compete over guys that were definitely not catches. They weren't really catches. So it's a great place. It's a great place to go to school. But Sunbelt, overall. Yeah, you got some Texas. Listen, Texas State kind of the same way where it's like, you didn't get into ut, didn't get into a. M. Guess what we got. Can I interest you in San Marcos?

[Arian]

Sunbelt? I would look into socon.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Arian]

I'm not. So you get. It's obviously Southern Conference. It's all schools in the South. You got Chattanooga, Western Carolina, Furman. Again, I'm not well versed in these schools. I'm just guessing. I'm guessing I would put it ahead of the Mac.

[Big T]

Now, where do we talk about, like, Big east basketball schools?

[Arian]

So most of those are Catholic schools.

[Big T]

A lot of them Jesuit. Yeah.

[Arian]

So I don't know what that does. Also very cold. See, that's my thing. Now, I will say for the Mac, Ohio University is a very noted party school.

[Madeline]

Yes.

[Arian]

So that's. That's a feather in their cap.

[Madeline]

They have a lot of. Their vibe is more like stoner girls and a bit more like alternative hippity girls compared to Miami, if that means anything to you in your rank.

[Big T]

And what is Miami? What is. What are they known for?

[Arian]

Just the hottest chicks you've ever seen.

[Madeline]

Rich white kids.

[Arian]

If you watch New York Fashion Week, one out of every three models went to Miami of Ohio.

[Madeline]

Yeah, you got. I'm not joking. You Miami of Ohio is known for rich white kids who love cocaine. Not me. Rich white kids who love cocaine. Usually from Ohio cities and Chicago.

[Big T]

Okay. And really hot and super hot.

[Arian]

Yeah, let's ask our AI overlords. Hold please.

[Big T]

I want to hear about this. Also, Tyreek Hill has been released from the Dolphins.

[Madeline]

What happens to him now?

[Big T]

He is free to return to the Chiefs and win another Super Bowl.

[Arian]

Chat GPT won't do it.

[Big T]

Oh, why?

[Arian]

Standing on business, judging people that way, especially broad groups tied to schools or regions reduces them to appearance and stereotypes.

[Jake]

Love that. Have some ethics.

[Madeline]

I can go chat. GBG has empathy.

[Arian]

I can help with things like ranking conferences by on court strength or recent NCAA tournament success. Well, that reduces the conferences to their basketball abilities.

[Big T]

Oh, so we're going to talk about them. Just who can jump the highest sec. Okay, what else do we want to get into today? You have another teed off big T. Is that it?

[Arian]

No, that was it. Miami of Ohio and the restaurant I went to on Valentine's Day, not going back. Food wasn't that good either by the way. And then I had to, I had to cuz 8:45. So you eat lunch and then it's like well I'm going to have to do some sort of of thing between noon and 8:45.

[Big T]

It threw my whole day off Valentine's Day. I've noticed that on any sort of special occasion out restaurants are just dying to roll out the prefix menu. Oh yeah, they're dying to do that. Be like hey, each item is going to be like a little bit smaller than they normally are and you can.

[Arian]

Only pick 1% more expensive. Oh, I can't believe I didn't even think about this. Let me tell you what else they rolled out on me. So because I guess I prepaid 150 bucks worth of the bill when I bought their ticket system or whatever. So they come out and they say a 25% gratuity has already been added. Which fine, whatever. And then she hands me the thing to put a tip and I said, you said it's already on there, right? She goes yeah, that's totally up to you. I mean I've never hit zero so fast in my life.

[Big T]

Yeah, I'm confused.

[Arian]

Cause and it was a tip. So I paid the 150. Whatever. So my total was like $18 additional. And so then it she offered me to tip on the 18 though I'd already tipped 25 on the whole thing.

[Big T]

Okay, yeah.

[Madeline]

If they just think people like won't realize and then they just tip extra. So they're like. I realized they get the people that.

[Big T]

Do that, gotta wake up pretty early in the morning. Full big tea.

[Madeline]

Yeah. Yeah, not early enough.

[Arian]

I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

[Jake]

Don't, don't, don't blame them. It's not that. It's not difficult. No, it's not the waitress's fault, the restaurant's fault. They don't get paid enough. That's how they make their living. So they gotta ask again.

[Arian]

I did tip 25.

[Jake]

Yeah, I'm just saying that's how they get paid.

[Big T]

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[Arian]

I. We. We will offer him an opportunity to clarify.

[Big T]

Yeah, on this pod. Come on. The pod get mogged. Obama. Do we have any ASU frat leader updates?

[Arian]

Have you been mogging anyone recently?

[Big T]

Dude, always moggy. Always, always be moggin.

[Arian]

You know, PMT is kind of a frame mogging situation.

[Big T]

What do you mean?

[Arian]

Like you get frame mogged by big cat.

[Big T]

What do you mean?

[Arian]

He totally frame mogs you.

[Big T]

Oh, because he's bigger.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah, but I mean that's not. Sometimes the aura is what matters. Sure, yeah. Aura is a big part of mogging.

[Arian]

You're hair maxing right now.

[Big T]

I am hair maxing and mullet maxing. Yeah, you're just. You're jester parroting right now.

[Arian]

Right?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I odd. I hate it, but I almost love.

[Big T]

You are bird maxing.

[Arian]

I'm bird maxing right now.

[Big T]

Yeah, I love it too.

[Arian]

I. I have gonna be UV maxing this afternoon.

[Big T]

Hell yeah.

[Arian]

Outside.

[Big T]

Love that. I've. I've looked at all the Updates. I can't get enough of it. The Australian guys just like patrolling around looking for the ASU frat leader to try to. Try to mog him, try to frame Max, and he can't find him. And he's just like, it's. It's wwe. It's like the stupidest WWE storylines that you've ever seen. And they're all these freaks that their body types don't make any sense in terms of, like the measurements. And if it's not even possible for these guys to have these weird shoulders quarters, it's really strange stuff, but I. I can't get enough of it. I did like the one where. How do you pronounce his name?

[Arian]

I think Clavicular.

[Big T]

Clavicular. Clavicular got jumped in the club. And then that one dude was just Jester Gooney or. No, the Goblin Chad was Jester Gooning afterwards, where he was just bouncing in the air, staring into the camera like. It is fascinating. It's some. It's some crazy, crazy. It's like a soap opera about nothing, about absolutely nothing. So, yeah, I. I'm. I'm always interested to see what happens next to these guys.

[Arian]

I think if we knew how much money those guys are making, we'd kill ourselves.

[Big T]

You think so?

[Arian]

Just that whole ecosystem.

[Jake]

How.

[Big T]

How much do you think?

[Arian]

I mean, there's no way of knowing. Seven figures.

[Big T]

Doing what they.

[Arian]

They just Jester Max and. And Giga chat all day and they. They just stream. I don't know how they're making money, but they're making.

[Big T]

I guess they hand over fist. They get a lot of subs. Word on the streets that Peter Thiel might be Clavicular's daddy. Like sugar daddy.

[Arian]

Really?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I have not seen that.

[Big T]

That's just an allegation.

[Jake]

I'm not.

[Big T]

I'm not reporting that as being fact.

[Arian]

Did you see? He totally mogged the court system?

[Jake]

He did.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

He mocked the court system pretty good. You can just say mogged about it. Also, this MOG thing. Remember the. The pickup artist from VH1? Please tell me you guys know about mystery. No, dude. Mystery. The clavicular would get completely alpha by mystery. Mystery was the pickup artist on, like, VH1 had a book written about him about his seduction techniques. And he invented the term amog, which I'm pretty sure is where this is coming from. Amog stood for alpha male of group. And it was part of his process and how to establish yourself with your body posture, the things that you would wear, your opening lines. You would Always. You'd have to amog. And he was the, he was the amog of all amog. And now he. He sarged. So that clavicular concealed what they called hitting on women.

[Arian]

I was very tail end of VH1 was the, the Brett Michaels dating show. Was that VH1.

[Big T]

Sure was.

[Arian]

Yeah, I remember that one.

[Big T]

What was that called, that Rock of Love.

[Arian]

Rock of Love, Yeah. What else was on VH1?

[Madeline]

One wasn't the Flava Flav one also on VH1.

[Arian]

Sounds plausible.

[Big T]

Yeah. Flav.

[Arian]

Flav was Hulk Hogan. VH1. Hogan knows best.

[Big T]

I think so. I didn't really watch too much of that.

[Arian]

I watched Hogan Knows Best rip.

[Jake]

Me.

[Big T]

Anyway, just give me an update on, on what's going on with Clavicular. I feel like he's been a little too quiet recently.

[Arian]

You want to do maybe a once a month MOG date?

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to know. I, I last I heard the Australian 6 foot 5 guy was traveling to Florida trying to confront the ASU frat leader.

[Arian]

I don't know about this Australian.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah, he saw that. He saw a hard clavicular got mogged and frame mugged and he came to the United States to avenge him.

[Arian]

Really?

[Big T]

Yeah. Six foot five.

[Arian]

Okay.

[Big T]

He's also a looks maxer.

[Arian]

Wow.

[Big T]

He like does the bone crushing stuff on his face.

[Arian]

And he went to Florida to look for the guy who goes to Arizona State.

[Big T]

Originally, I think he came to Arizona and was looking for him, trying to get him to sign a treaty, but then he couldn't find him. So now he says he's going to find him, but now he's looking in Florida.

[Arian]

Sounds like you need to be giving us the MOG.

[Big T]

He heard that he is. He, the ASU frat leader has fled to Florida.

[Arian]

Okay.

[Big T]

Which is kind of a coward move. If ASU frat leader left ASU because he's too afraid of the six foot five Australian. Chad. Yeah, The Gigachad. It is like it's a comic book mixed with WWE mixed with brain damage.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. I love it. Okay, we will see you guys on Thursday. Love you guys.

[Arian]

Goodbye.