Brace Belden Gives An Update On The Latest Epstein Release | Mar 6, 2025

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Macrodosing Podcast Summary

Episode: Brace Belden Gives An Update On The Latest Epstein Release
Date: March 6, 2025
Podcast: Macrodosing
Hosts: PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Barstool Crew
Guest: Brace Belden (TrueAnon Podcast)

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Overview

This expansive episode of Macrodosing is centered on the latest developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case, particularly focusing on the much-hyped but ultimately underwhelming release of Epstein-related documents by the U.S. government. Brace Belden of the TrueAnon podcast, known for his deep dives into Epstein lore, joins the crew for a deeply irreverent, at times hilarious, and occasionally sobering analysis not only of the news event but also the sprawling conspiracy and social currents that continue to swirl around the story.

Along the way, the episode pivots through classic crew banter—sports, pop culture, sequels, weed-smoking nostalgia, celebrity rumors, and new-age American politics. Notable quotes, memorable riffs, and insight-packed tangents abound.

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Section 1: Housekeeping, Banter & Basketball (01:08–14:46)

Key Points

• Celebrating Arian Foster’s upcoming in-person visits.
• Talking recent Lakers performances and LeBron James's critics.
• Spirited debate over the legitimacy of the 2020 NBA "Bubble" championship.
• Disneyland vs Disney World discourse; which is the superior theme park?
• Discussion of sequels, from movies (Top Gun, Toy Story, Indiana Jones) to sodas.

Notable Quotes

• Arian Foster on LeBron detractors (08:59):
  “He can't do anything correctly ... Man's wins championship, they on him. Mans don't win a championship, they on him ... It's like, okay, he can't do nothing.”
• PFT Commenter on sports-fan rationalizations (04:33):
  “Arian Foster, number one Luca Fan. If he drops 40 in the playoffs, you're back in.”

Timestamps

• [03:37] Lakers, LeBron, and ball dominance
• [07:00] “Mickey Mouse” championship
• [11:32] Disneyland vs Disney World
• [14:06] Sequels discussion (Top Gun 2, Indiana Jones, etc.)

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Section 2: Movies, Cartoons & Weed Nostalgia (14:48–33:30)

Key Points

• More on sequels: Toy Story, Mad Max, Rocky, etc.
• Transition to weed-smoking stories—the ingenuity of makeshift bongs.
• Stories of youthful mischief and evolving attitudes toward drug use.

Notable Quotes

• Arian Foster on DIY bongs (31:07):
  “You head to 7-11, you pick up a 20-ounce bottle ... then you wrap the aluminum foil around the end of it to make your little bowl. Homemade bubbler—that was our little water bong.”
• PFT Commenter on youthful problem-solving (33:16):
  “That was like your activity that you do for the afternoon ... It was like problem solving. It was creative. And then you got your reward at the end.”

Timestamps

• [14:28] Toy Story emotional highs
• [20:20] World War II movies as "sequels"
• [31:07] Homemade smoke devices
• [33:16] Life lessons from weed-smoking missions

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Section 3: The Epstein 'File Release' Fiasco w/ Brace Belden (34:30–63:47)

Key Points

• Introduction to the new “Epstein Files”—major rightwing influencers summoned to the White House for “Phase One” of the document dump.
• The highly anticipated files contained almost nothing new: a heavily redacted black book, censored flight logs, and little substance.
• MAGA and rightwing influencers spiral into infighting after feeling misled or left out of the photo-ops.
• Brace calls out the government’s manipulations and lackluster transparency, explaining the lore of “the list” and why no such thing likely exists.

Notable Quotes

• Brace Belden on the new document release (55:07):
  “In those files was literally nothing at all. There was the black book, but with all the phone numbers and email addresses redacted, which is no fun...”
• PFT Commenter sums up the online lore (40:24):
  “There’s a lot of talk about an Epstein list ... there’s been no indication that there is like a master list of like, guys I taped having sex with kids ... it’s lore for a lot of people.”
• Brace Belden on influencer outrage (57:36):
  “Laura Loomer led the charge, but everyone was rebelling against this. Like, you know, you’re lying to us. This isn’t it. All this stuff is old news.”

Timestamps

• [34:30] Brace Belden joins; background on parentheses antisemitism
• [37:15] Introduction to “Phase One,” influencer event at the White House
• [41:32] The myth of the “Epstein client list”
• [53:42] What was actually in the binders
• [57:36] MAGA influencer infighting & narrative collapse

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Section 4: The Real Epstein Mysteries & Mossad Links (63:47–71:23)

Key Points

• The reality of the “missing tapes”—evidence taken from Epstein’s townhouse, chain of custody issues, and rumors of intelligence connections.
• Is there a Mossad connection through Ghislaine Maxwell’s father?
• The frustrating opacity of government and the temptation of conspiracy.

Notable Quotes

• Brace Belden on what’s truly suspicious (67:54):
  "With the honest shadow of a doubt. Epstein has some connections with Israel, whether they're official ones or unofficial ones ... there’s a lot of smoke but we’ve been prevented from seeing the fire."

• PFT Commenter on intelligence realities (70:19):
  "We spy on countries that we're friends with. Other countries spy on us, even if we have an understanding—like Mossad, they definitely have intelligence agents that work in the United States."

Timestamps

• [64:16] Chain of evidence and missing files
• [67:54] Mossad connections—how plausible?
• [71:23] Is Ghislaine Maxwell being “freed” a real movement?

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Section 5: Candace Owens, Modern Scandals & Celebrity Theories (71:26–106:37)

Key Points

• Candace Owens’ wild claims about Macron’s wife and pivot to other controversial stances.
• Michael Jackson’s legacy and the podcast crew's unexpected deep-dive defense based on legal documents.
• CeeLo Green, Stevie Wonder, the “blind musician” phenomenon.
• Elon Musk’s ever-expanding brood, child “farms,” and off-the-wall theories (incl. “robot penis”).
• Diddy—was he running a modern blackmail operation? Are there ‘new Epsteins’ out there?

Notable Quotes

• Arian Foster on Michael Jackson (78:08):
  “I spent like three months just—I, bro, I read depositions. Every single accusation ... the evidence just is lacking. It’s lacking.”
• Brace Belden on Diddy’s parties and music industry blackmail culture (112:31):
  “Diddy was definitely using ... almost like organized crime...how he’s been able to sort of skate by it for so long has been extraordinary, shocking.”
• Brace Belden on Musk’s fertility project (92:33):
  "He is doing exactly the Epstein thing ... he was like, I'm gonna do a spot sperm bank ... and Musk says essentially the same thing, except sometimes he brings Mars into it."

Timestamps

• [71:26] Conspiracies about Macron’s wife
• [77:51] Michael Jackson “innocent” podcast
• [85:01] Blind musicians—social theory riff
• [92:33] Elon's baby plans and "robot penis"
• [111:42] Is Diddy the new Epstein?

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Section 6: Absurdity, Drugs, and Afterlife Musings (117:54–132:58)

Key Points

• The most desperate and creative ways to do drugs as youngsters (“middle school stoner engineering”).
• Deeply irreverent musings on death, DMT/ayahuasca experiences, and atheistic curiosity about the afterlife.
• Spiraling into heaven-logic, discussing whether the “fun stuff” is allowed and if there’s a “VIP” based on how you died.

Notable Quotes

• Brace Belden on crack (119:48):
  “I wasn't a crackhead... But once you smoke it, you're like, I understand the crackhead.”
• PFT Commenter on not doing DMT (121:28):
  “It sounds like an important molecule to keep in your brain and not release prematurely.”

Timestamps

• [117:54] Drug experimentation & DIY methods
• [121:28] The DMT experience & afterlife speculation

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Section 7: Final Tangents, Religion, Sports Gambling, and Farewells (132:58–END)

Key Points

• Satirical proposal for a Christ-Centric Christian betting app (“Draft King of Kings”).
• The eternal Barstool optimism: Barstool should replace all media.
• Ridiculous white guy subcultures—Irish travelers, Albanians, Chechens, etc.
• Final plugs for Brace, TrueAnon, and the upcoming in-person episode.

Notable Quotes

• Brace Belden (132:08):
  “We have to create a Christian sports gambling fucking app, dude. ... Christ-centric sports gambling...”
• Brace Belden on conspiracy culture (144:20):
  “If Barstool was able to collab with Loomer and Bannon, I think that we would have a—we’d be in different territory right now. I don’t think there would be an MSNBC anymore...”

Timestamps

• [132:08] Christian betting app musings
• [140:15–143:32] Irish travelers & ethnic white guy power rankings
• [148:20] Farewell to Brace & plugs

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Episode Highlights and Memorable Moments

• The in-depth, humorous yet highly informed Epstein analysis delivered by Brace Belden, especially his cultural observations of the right-wing influencer event. [35:05–63:47]
• The uniquely Macrodosing blend of sharp skepticism and absurdist comedy on everything from world conspiracies to fast food pizza chains. [50:15–52:04]
• The recurring motif of “lore,” both in sports (LeBron), movies (sequels), and across conspiratorial politics.
• Hilarious analogies (Epstein as Baby Yoda) and the “fan culture” divide between politicians and their online bases. [61:35–62:20]
• The side quest into Michael Jackson’s legal history and the emotionally invested unpacking of his trials. [77:51–81:56]
• Deep dives into the wildest corners of current event gossip (Elon Musk, Diddy, Candace Owens, and more).

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Conclusion

For listeners seeking Epstein updates, you’ll find not only the real scoop (the “new” files are essentially nothing new, and no magical “list” exists), but also a critical and satirical look at the media, political manipulation, and the subcultures that fuel conspiracy lore. The episode is vintage Macrodosing—irreverent, wide-ranging, and unafraid to zigzag from world history to theme parks to DMT to Barstool running the world.

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Quick Navigation: Important Segments

• Epstein Files & MAGA Outrage: [34:30–63:47]
• Mossad & Intelligence Links: [63:47–71:23]
• Candace Owens/Weird Online Lore: [71:26–77:51]
• Michael Jackson Case Deep-Dive: [77:51–81:56]
• Elon Musk & 'Robot Penis': [92:33–96:36]
• Diddy as 'Modern Epstein?': [111:42–114:45]
• Christian Sports Betting App: [132:08–133:07]

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

What I don't understand is I'm like, okay, yeah, like we, we did that. He suffered. He died for our sins. First of all, unmarried, so didn't suffer that much. And second of all, because his wife would have been Jewish and boy, that would have been. But second of all.

[A]

Welcome back to Macrodosing. It is Thursday. It is March 6th. We got the whole squad back in the studio today. Aryan is coming up next week. It will be here in person next week. Both Soads joining us in the office. Maybe do a little. A little golf stream, maybe some other stuff. We'll see what happens. We look forward to having you up here, Aryan. And today's episode, we're gonna be joined by Brace from True Anon, recurring guest Brace Belden, the. The shadow commissioner of Macrodosing. He listens to every episode. He's a big. What else does he listen to here? I think he. He's a big Mean girls fan.

[D]

Call her daddy. Remember he.

[A]

Well, call her daddy. That was the. The gateway drug, right? And then he shifted to Mean girls. Now I think he's big fan of Taylor Watch, so we'll have to get into it.

[D]

The hall of Mirrors.

[A]

Hall of Mirrors. What's that?

[D]

You don't remember the hall of Mirrors?

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. His experience going to barstool HQ for the first time, correct?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So excited to have Brace on to talk about the. The latest update in the Jeffrey Epstein saga. Ghislaine Maxwell saga. The new redacted report that came out.

[B]

Get the crew together and head off to the course in the new 2024 Chevy Traverse with impressive cargo room, three room seating, and the first ever Z71 Trim Traverse can handle your buddies and their golf bags with ease.

[A]

Chevrolet together.

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Let's drive.

[A]

And before we get to that, let's just do some. Let's do some house cleaning stuff. Let's do some. Some normal Thursday macro dosing stuff. Aaron, you were gone for Monday's episode, Tuesday's episode. Excuse me. Some people were calling you a coward. Some people were saying, oh, Arian's afraid to join the program after Dalton Connect just had a monster game for the Lakers. And Luca and Luke had a monster game for the Lakers. He was afraid to. Afraid to face the music. So it just so happens that the day after LeBron James scores 50,000 points, Aryan can join the program and talk about that. So that's nice.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, it is nice. I'm a Laker fan, so I'm hyped. Just because I didn't agree with it initially doesn't mean that I. I don't cheer for my squad. That's my squad. So I'm hoping everything goes well. But like I said, I just think that that style of basketball. But the one thing I will say about Luke Luca, that I think he does a little bit better than James Harden with that style of basketball play is he passed the ball way better, but ball dominant. You know what I'm saying? What matters in those kind of offenses is how you do that shit in the playoffs when the possessions are down and the defense clamps up. So we'll see. I'm hopeful, bro. I'm gonna be the first one with a Luka jersey, y'. All. I'm a Laker fan, baby. Don't get it twisted. So you'll be. Let's run it.

[A]

Arian Foster, number one. Luca Fan. If he scores, if he drops 40 in the playoffs, you're back in.

[C]

I was never out on him as a player. I just don't like that style of play. Does that make sense?

[A]

It does. I get it, all right? Like, I don't really. I. I don't like watching James Harden play basketball even when he was at his best. So I. I can understand what you're saying.

[C]

I mean, I. I like. I liked watching him, but like I said, I don't think it's conducive to, like, winning. I mean, he was. There's a one point. He's like 36 a game, wasn't he? That shit's Crazy. That shit's crazy.

[A]

You get 20 from the line? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I'm. I'm all, hey, trust me, brother, I. I'll be glad to say I'm wrong. I would love to be wrong. And the Lakers got a chip on them. Feel me? Don't get it twisted.

[A]

I'm not getting it twisted.

[C]

It's a good thing you don't get it twisted.

[A]

I'd never. I never get it twisted. How would this work in the reply guys? Because they have a whole history with LeBron James of how every championship doesn't count. Like, every ring is, you know, Mickey Mouse. Oh, kyrie carried him.

[D]

20. 20 was literally Mickey Mouse.

[A]

It was literally.

[C]

I hate this argument. I hate this argument. I hate this argument.

[B]

No, no.

[D]

That's to say nothing of whether you think it was legitimate or not. But it was literally played at the home of Mickey Mouse.

[C]

Were all the teams there?

[D]

No.

[C]

Which team was it there?

[D]

Well, they. They only sent like. Like the bottom half of the league. They didn't even send. Right.

[C]

I'm talking about when the time came to get in the bubble. All the teams that were available for the playoffs was there, right?

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Okay. All the teams were there. All of them faced the same variables, right?

[D]

Yeah. No, and that's all things because they won.

[C]

They were the best team in the NBA. The NBA happened to be going through a year that the entire world went through, which was Covid. But in that arena with all those variables, they were the best team. What are we talking about? Why is that?

[D]

The Celtics were the best team every year when there were 16 teams in the NBA? They. They won it. They did all they could do. But that doesn't mean that it's such.

[C]

The same false analogy.

[D]

I think it's. It's a pretty good analogy.

[C]

How all the teams. All the best league in the. In the world for basketball. Is the NBA correct or incorrect?

[D]

Correct.

[C]

At the time, in 2020, this was also the case. Correct or incorrect?

[D]

Correct.

[C]

In what world does that championship not count? I don't understand.

[D]

I never said it doesn't count. I never said it doesn't count.

[C]

So what are we talking about then?

[D]

I just. He said. He mentioned Mickey Mouse. I said it was played Mickey Mouse's home.

[C]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[D]

I do also believe it, but that's. That's.

[A]

I have a question for you. Where does Mickey Mouse live?

[D]

Yes. No matter who won, it would have been fake.

[A]

Where does Mickey Mouse live?

[C]

I don't know. On a steamboat? I don't know.

[A]

No, that's Original Mickey Mouse. That's racist. Mickey Mouse.

[C]

I agree.

[D]

He was racist.

[A]

Woke Mickey Mouse. Where does he live?

[C]

Steamboat Willie. Yes. Orlando.

[A]

He lives in Florida. Orlando, Florida.

[D]

And also la.

[A]

Yeah, but that's fake.

[D]

Agreed.

[A]

Yeah, he lives in Florida. He's Florida Mouse.

[D]

That actually finished this. And that brings me to an interesting.

[A]

Question, Big T, I have a question for you. Where was the 2020 NBA Championship played?

[D]

Walt Disney World in Orlando.

[A]

It was a Mickey Mouse championship. It was at Mickey Mouse's home.

[C]

Okay, that's my fault. I thought when you said Mickey Mouse, he was like, wasn't real basketball or something like that.

[A]

Well, now that you bring it up.

[D]

Well, we think that too, but that's. That's a different discussion.

[C]

But you have no substance behind this thought. It's just a fee. It's your fifis. You gotta get your fifis.

[A]

There were. There were no people in the stands. There was no home court advantage. LeBron probably ran that bubble.

[D]

Do you think it's easier or more difficult to play in front of an LED screen as opposed to going on the road in the playoffs?

[C]

All of them were on the same court. What do we.

[D]

That's true. That is true.

[C]

We talking about.

[D]

That is true. And they were the best under those circumstances.

[B]

So how does it like.

[C]

I don't. It doesn't make any sense to me like this.

[A]

I think. I don't know if it was the same circumstances, because LeBron James pretty much ran the bubble. He was the warlord of the bubble.

[B]

If.

[A]

If LeBron had decided, I don't feel like playing, he could have got people together and be like, hey, we're not doing this. They're locking us in a hotel. We're prisoners. Let's just go home to our families.

[C]

You know what I've realized about LeBron's detractors over the years? He can't do anything correctly. There's not one thing he could do correctly. Man does the most. And he always getting criticized. It don't matter what he does. He cannot do right. Man's wins championship, they own him. Mans don't win a championship. They own him. Man's carries team to the playoffs. They own him. Man doesn't care teams playoffs, they own him. Not good. Man's leaves the league scorer. They on him. Man doesn't lead the league score, they on him. It's like, okay, he can't do nothing.

[A]

Yeah, like you're. The entire thing you just said was 100% correct.

[C]

At some point, you got to wake up, realize y.

[D]

The hater I think he's the best basketball player to ever live.

[A]

I think he might be also. And I think he might be even a better dad than he is a basketball player.

[C]

I don't. I mean I don't. I don't know the man personally but from everything from the optics, he looks like a great father. Amazing.

[A]

He got his son drafted.

[C]

That, that was amazing too.

[A]

Great dad move.

[C]

And he is baller right now. He was balling in the G League for a little bit and they brought him up like that man's is doing a great job and I got so many people. So they're taking somebody's spot. He's taking some hard working guys. Shut the. Are you ain't never heard nobody bang for a last pick in the second round that goes to the G League, bro. Shut up.

[A]

I just think that Mac McClung needs to be on a roster.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

He took Mac McClung's spot.

[C]

That man has had several spots.

[A]

I know but he. You tell me that Mac McClun can't get on an NBA roster.

[C]

I think he could jump. Yeah, that could jump. But like his all around game, I don't think it's suited for the NBA. He's small too.

[D]

What you said about Disneyland being fake though brought up an interesting question in my mind because Disneyland was first. But it stinks.

[A]

It's not good.

[D]

And Disney World is way better.

[A]

And I'm saying this as somebody who has never been to Disneyland, but I have been. Yeah, but.

[D]

I know. But we haven't gone because we know it stinks.

[A]

Yeah, it stinks.

[C]

I've been to both. I've been to both.

[B]

I've been to both.

[C]

I think they both fired up. I think, I think there's, there's, there's parts of each ones that I like more than the others. So for Orlando, I love the Avatar exhibit. I love the. Well, no, that's it for the LA one. I like the Star Wars Jones. The Star Wars Joan. It's crazy.

[D]

That's in Florida too.

[C]

Oh, what did they have in the LA one then it was.

[D]

They have like a. They have cars.

[C]

No, there was another one that they don't have.

[B]

Hold on.

[C]

I forget what it was. It's been a while since I went to the LA one. Hold tight. Or talk about some other hater.

[D]

My question was going to be what things are. Have a better sequel than the original. So it could be movies, could be. You know, I've got it to be Top Gun easy.

[A]

Good answer.

[D]

That is correct.

[A]

Good answer. Top Gun 2 was fucking incredible. And Top Gun 1 was awesome.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

I think that might be the best sequel of all time.

[C]

I'm not.

[D]

I'm trying to think of what other things this would be applicable to other than movies.

[B]

Hmm.

[A]

Things where they upgraded it in round two. I think I like cherry coke better than I like real coke.

[D]

Okay. That's interesting. I. I am a big fan of cherry coke as well. I don't know that it's better than regular coke. You know what might be, though?

[C]

What?

[D]

Which is akin to cherry Coke, and it's hard to find. It's Mr. Pibb.

[A]

Mr. Pibb. Yeah. Well, they changed it.

[D]

Right now it's. It's pib Extra, Extra. But it's the same thing.

[A]

I think it's the exact same formula. It rebranded it to make it. They didn't want a gender.

[D]

I know Chipotle has pib. Some movie theaters will have it, but it's. It's difficult to find. But when you find it, it's like. It's like finding a gold scar.

[C]

Indiana Jones. My bad. Indiana Jones one's in la. That's my fault. Sorry.

[D]

Is it a ride or like a show?

[C]

It's like a whole thing. It's kind of like the Star wars joint. It's like a whole exhibit.

[A]

I mean, I can think of in Indiana Jones, the movies. I would say the third one is probably better than the first one.

[D]

I'll give it a B. I've seen any of them.

[C]

I ain't seen none of them either.

[A]

And Indiana Jones 1 was great. Indiana Jones 2, probably the worst of the bunch. The Temple of Doom. That's one where he pulls the guy's heart out of his chest. That's the only part that is awesome in that movie. And then three was Raiders of the Lost Ark, and that one's got Nazis in it. And the. What's the document that the. The Ark. Ark of the Ark of the Covenant. Yeah. They open it up and then the guy's face explodes. That's a good movie. I'd say that in terms of three quills, that one is better than the original.

[D]

The only Rocky I've seen is four. Are the sequels generally considered to be better than the original there? I know some of them suck.

[A]

Some of them are. Rocky 4, I believe, is the one where it's USA versus Russia with Drago.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And that's a good one. Rocky Balboa. That was a good one. Right?

[D]

The only one I've seen is four.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Every Single Toy Story got better. Every single one got better. I, I think all number four almost made me cry. That was fired up. You could you. There's an argument better or worse, but it. There. They are all uniquely amazing movies. There's not.

[D]

The first one, though, is so good.

[C]

I mean, that was like the introduction of Pixar. Yeah.

[D]

Like, I don't remember Toy Story 2, 3 is when they're. They're about to all die and then they get saved, like everyone, but they're, they're like going into the fire and they all like accept death together.

[C]

And then gorgeous. Isn't that gorgeous moment holding, holding each other's hands and shit. It's amazing.

[D]

And then, and then four was really good, but I. It's hard to beat the original Toy Story.

[A]

Fury Road, I think was better than the original Mad Max. I think the Dark Knight Rises, I think that was better than the first Dark Knight that Christopher Nolan did.

[C]

Oh, you talk. The one with the Heath. Yeah.

[A]

So wait, which one had Bane? Was Bane.

[C]

That was, that was Dark.

[A]

Oh, yeah. So I don't know. I'm gonna retract that take.

[C]

Yeah, no, Dark. The Dark Knight.

[A]

They're both really good.

[C]

I don't disagree. B. I, I, it was, it was so hard to follow up that performance with Heath.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And, and that dude did. I don't know who that is, but he did a great job of being Tom Hardy.

[A]

I am the Batman. You're the Batman. You adopted the darkness. I was born into it.

[C]

Batman molded by it. I don't do very good voices, but yeah, that was fire.

[A]

Blade Runner. Jeff D. Lowe loves the, the Blade Runner sequel that came out.

[C]

I've never seen Blade Runners.

[A]

I've requested a. Okay, so I asked Jeff D. Lowe, Disneyland or Disney World, who you got? Because he is the number one Disney.

[D]

Person, he had to say Disney World. Unless living in LA has radicalized him.

[A]

Oh, good point. Well, he replies, disney World by a country mile.

[D]

Okay, good.

[A]

A country mile.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Aryan.

[C]

No, I, I agree Disney World is better, but I mean, we just not gonna on Disneyland. Especially from two guys who've never been there.

[A]

Here's what he says about Disneyland Land is cool. It has its perks, one of which is being able to do it all in a day is cool. So that's, that's also backhand.

[D]

That's a minus for me.

[A]

That's a big backhand compliment. I've only been to Disney. I've only been to Disney World, I believe four full times. First of all, let's break that down. I've only been there four times.

[D]

What constitutes a full time, but for full time every part.

[A]

I think that means he's only done all of Disney World in one sitting four times. But he's probably gone to Disney World other times than that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Disneyland I've been to now a bunch since I live 15 minutes away. Wow, a country mile. Disney World. What is a country mile?

[C]

It's the same thing as a regular mile, I assume, but feels longer.

[D]

Well, you know what country mile means, right?

[A]

I don't.

[C]

I don't.

[D]

It's like out in the country, you're just kind of. Oh, it's. It's a mile down the road, and it might be 2, 3, 4 miles. You just. You say it's a mile.

[A]

Okay, gotcha. I did not know that.

[D]

That's my understanding of where it comes from.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So why is it new?

[C]

Yeah, I was just gonna circle back to this sequel thing. I looked at the top 10 Red Tomatoes sequels of all time. Detect the top. Not the top 100, but, like, let's go top 10. It validates one of my points, but one of them is hilarious. The number one. Should I start with the number one?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

All right. The number one is Paddington 2.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I've never seen either one. Paddington.

[A]

I've heard Paddington 2 is one of the best movies ever made.

[B]

Really?

[D]

Is that the one Che was recently lamenting?

[B]

Well, that's Paddington in Peru. That's. I believe the third installment is this Little Bear movie.

[C]

It's all right like that.

[B]

I think I've heard.

[A]

I've heard nothing but great things about Paddington. Yeah, I've heard Paddington one sucks dick. Paddington two fucks pussy.

[C]

All right, moving on to number two. Number two is Toy Story two. Boom.

[D]

I may need to go back and watch two. I don't remember anything for watch the.

[B]

Whole story two is when it's the guy and he paints the bottom of.

[A]

The shoe and he sews.

[D]

Oh, the creepy. Yeah, I hated that guy as a kid. He scared the out of me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So number three is. I haven't seen this one. Three colors red. I haven't heard that. It was in 1994. The number four is a 1964007 Goldfinger. Number five is Toy Story three. And number six is Before Midnight, 2013. Haven't seen that either. Number seven is Godfather two. The whole thing is cracking. Number eight, the Bride of Frankenstein, 1935. Damn cameras back then. And number nine, Toy Story four.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then number ten is Mission Impossible Fallout. That's another series that like you can't really go wrong. Autumn Shits is cracking.

[A]

They are good. I don't like the ones that over rely on masks though.

[C]

You talking about what they turn off the.

[A]

Yeah. By the end of it, it's like you don't know everyone's wearing a mask.

[C]

Yeah. Oh yeah. I kind of like it. I feel you though.

[A]

But yeah, the impossible ones. Those are, those are awesome. World War II, I think. Better than World War I.

[D]

More memorable.

[A]

Yeah, but I mean it was a sequel. It was a direct sequel.

[C]

Are you talking about the movie or like the.

[A]

No talking about the wars.

[D]

Is there a movie? Just World War II.

[A]

They haven't made a movie about World War II yet.

[D]

Not a long time.

[B]

They should.

[A]

Yeah. Aaron, we talked about that on. On Tuesday's show how they need to. We're due for another World War II movie. And it was like they haven't made one in a long time. And then were like, what about Oppenheimer? That came out last year. But that's a. That's a science movie. It's not a war movie.

[C]

I'm cool on the war movies, man. And the slave movies. I'm done with them shits.

[A]

What was the last 12 years of slave.

[B]

Yeah, 12 years.

[C]

I don't even know. I don't really watch them anymore. It's. They, they beating it to the ground.

[D]

A good war movie still hits though.

[C]

No, I don't. It never got me like that. I'm anti war, so none of that shit is appealing to me. Except for Dances With Wolves. That was fire.

[A]

I don't think I ever saw that one.

[C]

It's like four hours lock in, but.

[D]

It'S out, out, lock out. No four hours. We talked about this on Tuesday too. If it's longer than like 3:15. No can do.

[C]

What if you're. What if you're binging the series?

[D]

I. I can't watch anything for longer than three hours.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Like, like if it's a. Even if it's a show, I real like that's of a 30 minute show. That's seven or eight episodes. By the time you take out commercials.

[C]

You might just be a product of your era. You young people's attention span is. It's.

[A]

No, I kind of agree with him on the movie take, but it is it. There have been so many times when I've sat down and watched six hours of a show. I'm saying like get that naughty look on your face and you look over at the person you're watching with you're like, you want to watch another one?

[D]

But by the end, I mean, you're not even.

[C]

You want to be. That's what.

[D]

Your eyes are glazed.

[C]

That's one of the best things in the world, though. You look over like one more, like, yeah, one more.

[A]

You feel like being bad.

[C]

Yeah, I'm currently doing that. So I am speed running this anime journey of mine. And so I. I started with solo leveling. I'm all caught up. That has two seasons. I don't know how many more episodes are left in this season, but I'm just obsessed with that show. That shit's one of the best things I've ever watched. I love it. It's so dope. And then so while waiting for the next episodes to drop, I started Attack on Titan. And again, I must. I just slept on anime my entire life. It was never anything. I always thought it was kind of corny, honestly, but it. That is fire dog. I. I just love the premises of the shows, the science fiction aspect of them, the storytelling of them. It's just really dope. The character development of each one, it's dope. So I'm speed running Attack on Titan. And so like, I've back to back, like six, seven episodes. Back to back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I've tried to watch anime before. It just doesn't hit for me. Did it take you a while to get into.

[C]

Took me like two episodes of solo leveling to be like, all right, this is kind of interesting. But the first, because I really did it because, like, my son, what I like to do with like, all my kids, like, I figure out what they're into and I get into it just like we have like a, you know, a baseline of something to, you know, what is the word I'm looking for to bond over. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And so he was like, I'm really into this new anime. And I was like, oh, fuck, I gotta watch anime. And he was like, yeah, just check it out. So, so, so we. We went home after he had his basketball training and he. I was like, yeah, man, run it, run it, man. I was, I was in my back of my mind. I'm like, it's gonna be whack. And then one episode, like, it's kind of okay. It's not horrible. And then the second episode, I was like, hey, yo, this kind of. And then like dope ass shit started happening. I don't want. Well for people who want to get into it, but really dope started having. I love sci fi. I love, like people with different Powers and stuff like that. That's the premise of that show. And then I just binged, like, almost the whole season that day. I was like, yo. And he was, like, super excited. He can't hold water. He was like, yo, okay, you gotta really watch this part. I'm like, nigga, I'm watching this part. That was. It's really. It's a really dope. I think if. I think you just gotta commit. Solo level is my favorite one. That could be low. That was my first one. I'm enjoying Attack on Titan, but I think I'm just so locked into solo leveling. That's my. But, like, ever since I tweeted about it, people are giving me mad suggestions, and so, like, there's thousands of episodes on somebody's. So I gotta. You know, I still have other to do, but it's. I'm. I'm a fan, bro. I'm a fan of it.

[A]

That's a good dad thing to do. Is there anything. Because I feel like, Aaron, you. You could take anything that your kids were interested in, and you could see why it's interesting. If you, like, dedicated yourself to it a little bit, you gave it a shot. Is there anything they could be interested, like a hobby that you would be like, no, not for me. Not even gonna try.

[C]

Not my kids. No. I think. I think, like, so my daughter, My oldest daughter, my youngest daughter bond over this game called. It's some Roblox game, and they, like. It's, like, fast. It's fat. So they go into closets, and they have these little fashion shows, and it'll be like. It'll give you challenges, and you. And you dress against real people, and it'll. Or other people on the Internet, and it'll be like, dress like a global superstar, and you have to go and fix your outfit and stuff. And that's nothing I would ever be into, but, you know, my babies is into it. So, like, one. One day, we just. We just on it. And I'm like, yo, let me get on. So, like, I'm. I'm putting together a fit and, you know, I'm trying to mix and match clothes like that. I. I don't. I wear. Y' all know me. I wear sweats every day. And. But, like, no, I think. I think in general, I think it's. It's more about what. The reason as to why you're doing it, which is why I. I don't. I don't ever have a problem getting into what my kids are doing because it's More like. It's more about them. It's a way to connect with them rather than trying to satiate my, you know, pleasure palette.

[A]

It's good perspective. What if. What if your son came home and he was like, dad, I just love the Boston Celtics.

[C]

No.

[A]

Jason Tatum.

[C]

Yeah, we. We got problems that I'm going. I mean, yeah, it is what it is, but they already Laker fans, so.

[A]

But then you could bond over, like, your mutual hatred of each other.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, it still wouldn't.

[A]

It wouldn't bust some balls.

[C]

Yeah, it would be. It would be. It would be fun stuff. But I would be lightweight disappointed because all of them are Laker fans. All my babies, like the Lakers.

[A]

Now your daughter comes home and she goes, dad, I've taken a real interest in dog training.

[C]

Oh. Oh, man, you're pushing my limits as a father. Well, I don't know, because I got a turtle. I got a turtle sitting upstairs right now. Yeah, the tank.

[A]

And she's still cleaning with your toothbrush?

[C]

Yeah, every now and then. But it's in it's own little environment, so it doesn't get dirty anymore. But she feeds it.

[B]

It's.

[C]

I don't understand the appeal of this damn thing, but she loves it. Tina the turtle.

[A]

And it's. She's using your toothbrush to. To clean its shell, correct?

[C]

No, no, no. One of my old. Yeah, One of my old Jones. Yeah. Not my current one.

[A]

Some other people are saying online, Predator 2 better than the original Predator. I don't know about that. I'm going to say. I'm going to say no.

[C]

Now you talk about a movie that they need to run back. Wouldn't be mad if they ran that one back.

[A]

Predator.

[C]

Yeah. Like with the CGI nowadays, didn't they.

[D]

Recently make one they made.

[A]

Was that Alien verse Predator.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then there might have been predators.

[C]

A long time, wasn't it? How long ago was that?

[A]

AVP was 2003. I want to say that is the highest I've ever been in a movie theater.

[C]

Oh, really?

[A]

Watching Alien vs. Predator. Yeah. And it was awesome.

[C]

Yeah, Mine was. We went to go see how high. You remember the movie how high with Method Man River. So we. We all. We all rolled one in a parking lot. We came in there smelling we hot boxed. Oh, dumbass. We hot box. That walked into the. And then I was underage. I was underage. I believe this is the how high One, because we did it a lot, but I was underage and I was with my brother and his homeboy. And it Was like, yo, go get the tickets. And it was 18. You had to be 18 to get the tickets, right? Because it was rated R. I was like, bro, I'm not 18. And then he was like, you just take my ID. So I had to take my brother's ID high as to go get the tickets. You know how nervous I was, though?

[A]

Yeah, It's a rite of passage. As a kid, when AVP Alien vs. Predator came out, we planned like two months in advance for how high we were going to be for that movie. Like when, when the Afghan weed came back in town, we made sure to get some of that. And then we'd store it in a secure, correctly humidified environment so it'd be ready to go for Alien vs. Predator night. Those are the best weed that we could find. Yeah, I think we might have Hot Box for that one too. Then you walk in, everybody in your group smells like weed. Because you just smoked in a car.

[C]

Everybody knows you're high. And the number one prevailing thought is, do you think they know I'm high?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Dixie has no fucking clue what we're talking about.

[D]

No idea.

[A]

Oh, and also, you know what was great back in the day too, was having to. Having to figure out what you want to smoke out of. Like, if you. If you didn't have anybody that could roll a good blunt, what's the wildest.

[C]

That you smoke that of?

[A]

I had a go to. My go to was you. You head to 7 11, you pick up a 20 ounce bottle of Gatorade or Sprite. You get a ballpoint pen, like a Bic pen. And then you buy a Nestle Crunch bar because the Nestle Crunch comes in aluminum foil wrapping. And then you maybe get some electrical tape if you have that around. Then you light the end of the ballpoint pen on fire after you drank all the. The Gatorade or the Sprite or whatever. And then you poke a hole in the side of the Gatorade container with the ballpoint pen. You take, you know, the pen and the ink and all that stuff out. So it's just a hollow plastic tube. You wrap the aluminum foil around the end of it to make your little bowl. Maybe put some electrical tape on there. And then you fill it up with a little bit of water, light the weed, makes it bubble. Homemade bubbler. That was our little water bond.

[C]

Little makeshift water bond. Okay. My goatee was. We used to take this Coke cans and we used to like crush them, like sideways to where it's like almost like a block like that. And then you would poke little tiny holes in. In one of the sides. I mean, in the top. And then poke. Poke one big hole inside for a little. Yeah, a little shotgun hole. And you would just light it up with a little aluminum can. That was the go to.

[A]

That was the best. Yeah. Also you'd have a shotgun hole on the side of the water bottle too, for your thumb that you'd hang on to. And then one of my friends bought like a 20 tiny glass pipe at an outdoor music festival because that's the only place that you could buy. You didn't have like smoke shops back.

[C]

That's the. The Pyrex Jones.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, man. I bring back memories too. Damn.

[A]

It was a lot harder to smoke weed back then.

[C]

It was like. It was like you. You went on missions.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I remember for years in middle school, I used to. I used to go. I had one of them little hitters. It was like a little one hitter thing. And I used to leave my house like a five, say, I'm gonna walk around the blood, go play in the neighborhood. And I'm like 12, 13, horrible, by the way. But I was bad and I used to leave, come back, hit it right before bed. Coming to bed, high as hell, watching. Change your heart. I don't know if you remember that game that talks. That was my shit every night. Change your heart. And what was the other one? The fifth wheel was the fifth wheel.

[A]

Yeah, that was a reality show.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, I used to watch back to back. Yeah, I think it was the fifth day. Yeah, there was like two or three dating shows to watch back to back. And it was fascinating to me.

[A]

Yeah, we had. We had one friend and he had a friend who is really good at rolling blunts, like the best. And I don't even know how close these two guys were, but he would always be like, james, roll these guys a blunt for me. And then James would be like, yes, sir. He just hung out to roll blunts for people.

[C]

And he never smoked.

[A]

No, he would smoke, but like, that was his. That was his only role in the friend group was he was really nice at doing that.

[C]

Yeah, that's pretty dope. Yeah. Shout out to James.

[D]

Totally, totally, guys.

[A]

No, there were side quests that you would go on, and that was like your activity that you do for the afternoon. It's like you have. You have to accomplish something. You had to use your brain. It was like problem solving. It was creative. And then you got your reward at the end.

[C]

Yeah. Used to hustle up, hustling up money to get Together like little Nick. Nick bags, dime bags, 20 sacks. It was all. It was. It was a journey, man. It was, it was a. It was a thing.

[A]

Yep. All right, we're gonna get to Brace. Front of the program, Brace Building from the True and On podcast. Go download the True Non podcast. If you like it, become a patreon of theirs. I'm a listener of True and On. I've been been a fan of Brace for a long time. He is a fan of Macrodosing. He's a fan of the program. He's a friend of the program and he's going to join us because he is an expert on pretty much everything related to Jeffrey Epstein.

[D]

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[A]

Getting out there to work on your.

[B]

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[D]

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[B]

On your face no matter how your scorecard shakes out.

[A]

And now, here's Brace. Belton ran to this guy the other day. He said, funny, I never see at the club anymore. I said, yeah, I never see you at the bank. That's deep.

[B]

Or what PFT calls the Jewish club.

[A]

How we doing, Brace?

[B]

Oh, I'm doing wonderful.

[A]

Nice. The bank. The, the song that I was referencing has three parentheses around the words the bank. So the banks in context. Yes. Are we still doing that these days? Are we still putting parentheses around things? I haven't seen that.

[B]

I feel like that fell off. I feel like the only people doing that are people who are really like, that was a great. They loved that. And it was like allowed to be because some of us, like, my last name is Belden. It's like a normal, like a. Well, not say normal, but it's a, it's a, it's a goy last name. And I feel like if I was one of those people, I'd put the three parentheses around because I'm missing a Stein or a Berg.

[A]

Yeah, you'd self. You self report.

[B]

I'd self report. Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

What are, what are three parentheses indicate?

[A]

It was like 2015, 2014. I think that started where people would put parentheses around a Jewish person's name to let people know that they were Jewish. So when you.

[B]

So to let people know that, you had to say in a whisper because you, you, you were, you were so. You were so. You respected them so much that you can kind of only whisper their name.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. No, it was. It was mostly done by people who dislike strongly the Jewish people.

[D]

Interesting.

[A]

And so they would let others know that they were talking about a Jewish person by putting their name in a parentheses.

[B]

Got it. Like, the reason PFT goes by PFT now is because. I mean, originally, when he started a barstool, his name was Paul Feldstein, Titanium a Wits. And because of antisemitism rampant in the sports industry, he had to shorten it to pft. But people still do the parentheses around him.

[A]

Right. Or like Liam Cohen, the new coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Surprisingly, no parentheses around that one.

[B]

None.

[A]

Yeah, no parentheses. Even though Cohen. I always assumed that voice you hear is Brace Belden, front of the program, back on macrodosing because we have some Jeffrey Epstein news to talk about, and Brace knows more about Jeff Epstein than. Than anybody. Brace, you're not in. You're not on the list, are you?

[B]

No. I mean, what's a list? You know, name on a piece of paper. Did I go to the island? Yes. There's lots of islands in the Caribbean. Did I go to the townhouse? Yes. I live in New York City. Did I go to the place in Palm Beach? Yes. It's a nice place in the country. It's Florida. Lots of people go there. Trump has a place there. I can't go there. Yeah, there's a. There's a. There's a new fake Epstein thing happening.

[A]

Yes. It's a. It's a. A lot of smoke. I did not notice. I. I saw the people that were given the binders the other day, and we had. It was Che Ray. Check. Libs of TikTok, Liz Wheeler, your friend Jack Basobiak.

[C]

Love him.

[A]

But you were. You were not invited for some reason.

[B]

Invitation must have got lost in the. It was incredible. So to back up a little bit, I want you guys to Google this. Both you. You guys at your little laptops and the people at home. There's been, like, a couple people involved in, like, the. Who are supposed to be, like, declassifying stuff, which. The Epstein stuff isn't classified in the same way that, like, military stuff would be, but you know what I mean, Disclosure stuff. One of those people is Anna Paulina Luna.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And who I love. I love this lady. She's like something from Florida. Congresswoman. Totally crazy. Luna is a last name she adopted to sound more Latina. She at one point claimed to be Jewish before people realized that actually her grandfather that she said was Jewish was Kind of on the other side of the conflict was a member of the Wehrmacht. And she's incredible. I mean, but the, the. I. I don't know if you're looking at her, but the lip filler on this lady, I love it. Yeah, this is taste. This is tasteful filler.

[C]

Not.

[B]

Not like some people on this programs I could name. This is tasteful filler.

[A]

So. So yeah, let's talk about what's going on right now because we. We've been told that Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, has some new hot intel that she's willing to release, and they're trying to. They're trying to bring to the light what was once in the dark. Now. Yeah, there's been a lot of stuff that has already been reported, I think back in like the, the 2014, 2013. When did the. The South Florida newspaper start doing their investigation into Epstein? That was way back in the day.

[B]

Way back. I mean, there's been. So Epstein got busted first time in 2007, 2008, when he got the crazy plea deal in Flor and negotiated on the government side by future labor secretary under Trump. One which was Alex Acosta. A lot of that stuff, like it was. Was reported on, but it really got a lot of attention 2017 when. When the guy negotiated for the government, was given a executive post or a post in the cabinet. The black book, the famous, like the closest thing that we have to a list came out in 2015 from Nick Bryant in Gawker. He posted the whole thing. The closest I can say, before you even really get into all this stuff, there's a lot of talk about an Epstein list. And as far as we know, I've. I've been studying this guy for a long time. I think I know kind of a lot about it. There's been no indication that there is like a master list of like, guys I taped having sex with kids. Like, you know, leaving that in the, in the thumb drive or in the. On a piece of paper that is like something that has kind of become like a. A mythical. Yeah. Emblem. It's lore for a lot of people.

[A]

It's lore that there's a list. And, and it's like once you achieve this next step, if you vote the right politician and whatever key unlocks that door, we will finally get the list and the list. Yeah, the. The reporter, Julie K. Brown is the one who worked on it for the Miami Herald, and she said there's no Jeffrey Epstein client list. Pure. Pure, period. It's a figment of the Internet's imagination and just a means to slander people. So there is, there's a black book which contains the names of people that Jeffrey Epstein knew and people that, yes, he somehow, maybe he didn't know some of them, maybe he got their phone numbers through a friend of a friend or whatever. But there is. They have copies of his black book. But now I feel like there's been so many fake pages from that black book that we lose sight of what was really in that. Like whose names were actually in the black book and whose names weren't in the black book. But yeah, the most recent thing is we're going to be transparent with the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and we'll release the full files. At least this was phase one, is what they're saying, which was actually less information than we already knew before.

[B]

Well, it's, it's, I think it's personally brave of the administration because you've got RFK Jr. I love this guy. It's every time he sounds like he's about. It's like the last thing your grandfather's telling you before he dies. But RFK Jr. Listen, I know you guys like sports, whatever. That's great. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I know. Well, it's. But you, you have to deal with them, right?

[A]

Well, he just happens to be really, really, really good at them, but he doesn't like them.

[B]

Yeah. And you're good at them.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I love guys who cheat in crazy ways. I love a cheater. I love somebody. I love somebody who's like, yeah, honey, I'm out with the guys and he's banging five or six chicks around town. RFK Jr. For me, because again, cheating is my sport. Not I don't participate, but I watch it. A lot of talk about who's the goat? Who's the goat? Is it lafroud referred to around these parts? Is it Kobe? You know, is it? Is it? Who is it? Is it O.J. simpson? It's, it's. Yeah. Arianny can't. You can nod. It's okay now Trump's president again.

[A]

Comedy's legalized.

[B]

Yeah, it's comedy. And the truth has been his back in isn't is is in session. But RFK Jr is the goat of cheating. He cheated so much on his ex wife that she, in the parlance of today, unalived herself. There is nobody doing like that today. And he flew on the plane, he was hanging out with Jeffrey and he's part of the administration, the most transparent administration in history. That's like Let it out there. And I, I admire that because of course, Epson's in the black book. Jason Kalakanakis is in the black book. There's a lot of people who are intimately connected to this administration that are in the black book. And I feel like they're. There's sort of a double edged sword that they have here. One is like, it's kind of grist for the mill for like a lot of people who love Trump who think that the black book coming out will like, send Hillary Clinton to Guantanamo Bay. But on the other side, there's a lot of people who are pretty closely connected to this administration, both in terms of like, actually in the government and like in the realm of private equity or finance and business that are also like pretty closely tied up to Jeffrey Epstein. And so there has been like, like when Trump was in office, the first time Ghislaine got arrested, like there was like press conferences where he'd be like, I wish her well. And I didn't read too much into that because he kind of just says shit like that, you know what I mean? And. But people were like, that's kind of weird thing to say. Like, he did it a couple of times and then he was like, I don't know if I want to release this stuff. This was between administrations, like when Biden was president. He was like, well, if I get in again, I don't know if I'm going to release this stuff because there's a lot of names in there. People might be innocent. And then he goes on Lex Fridman. Are you guys familiar with his Lex Fridman podcast?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I've watched a couple of his episodes.

[C]

Like if a book could talk, brother.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

It's like, it's like it is crazy to watch who is watching this stuff. No disrespect to anyone who does.

[A]

I think he's a, I think he's a very smart guy in terms of computers. And so he tried to pivot into being a podcaster and he's very successful at it. Like, he's get. He gets millions of views on stuff, but his, the interview that he did with Zielinski was very funny where one of the funniest he was like, say something nice about Vladimir Putin. Let's try to build a bridge between the two of you. And Zelensky was like, you. No, I'm not gonna say every time.

[B]

He does a, he does like an interview with somebody, it's like he wikihowed empathy or whatever or like chat GPT like, how to talk to another human being. I think he's incredible.

[A]

I think he went on Grok. I. I think he. I think he asked. I. No joke. Before the Zelensky interview, I think he asked Grok how to mediate conflicts. And Grock gave him steps like you would tell a third grader that was in a fight with some other kid in their class, and they were doing pure mediation. And so you would say, say something nice about Thomas, something that you like about him, and. And try to build that bridge. And then he tried to solve the Ukraine, Russia war by doing that exact same thing.

[B]

And it worked, right? Right now it worked. Yeah. But. But Trump goes on Lex Fridman's podcast, which is incredible, and Fridman asks him, like, hey, like, are you gonna release the. I can't even do an invitation. But he's like, trump, a lot of people are asking, will you release the Epstein documents? And then Trump is kind of just like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna release them. You know, maybe I will, but I will, I will. I'll probably release them. We'll look at what's in them, but I'll probably release them. And that became, like, a promise that. Like a campaign promise that he had to fulfill. And so now this also has a crazy weird backstory in the new FBI director, Cash Patel, who. I love this guy.

[C]

I love Audi.

[B]

All right. Have you seen this dude? He is. You know how. You know how, like, whenever. Sometimes, like, you see guys in night vision and there's like, six eyes and they're looking everywhere. He can do that with just his two regular eyes. Like, he is constant scanning. He's crazy looking. Also, his Wikipedia or whatever, like, the Internet says he's five nine, but he's. I'm saying five, six without there's anything wrong with that. But he, He. He is also, like, engaged in this war against, like, people. He doesn't like the FBI and doj, and so that factors into that, too. So keep a. Keep a note on that. And so Pam Bondi is, like, starts, like, declaring that they're going to release the Epstein documents. And then a couple weeks ago, like, a week before they dropped, she's like, going on Jesse Waters, and she's like, the documents that I have, this will make you sick. This, what this man was doing, it will make you sick. And I have a lot of documents and they're on my desk, and they make me sick. And she's, like, not saying anything, but she's just, like, talking for three minutes at a Time about how there's documents and they'll make you sick and there's. They'll. What's in the documents will make you sick as well. Cut to. I guess it's like the 27th, I think, when they're like, they summon a group of Jack Posobiek, who is a former naval intelligence agent and a Polish Nazi. No disrespect. I mean, it's just objective thing, you know, that exists in history, but he's basically like a Polish Nazi.

[C]

No disrespect.

[A]

He was.

[B]

No disrespect.

[A]

He was like the number one pizza gate guy.

[B]

Yeah, he was a big pizza gate guy. And then he tried to do like a. Like a Richard Spencer neo Nazi thing, and then that kind of fell out of favor. And then he became like a. Like a normie, like, conservative crazy guy. And now he's like, back to being like, I'm with Heg. He's like. He's like the guy who gives Pete Heg Seth advice on how to get as drunk as possible and rape. Yeah.

[A]

And he's also. I think he runs the end wokeness account.

[B]

He does. He does. Which, could you imagine, like, you're his wife and you're like, honey, like, I want to go out to fucking, you know, Pizza Hut because these people are low class and. And so be like, no, hold on. I'm like, putting up a picture. I'm putting up a picture of a transgender 19 year old that's about to get 10,000 retweets. It's like, giddy up, fake.

[C]

You don't.

[D]

With pizza.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm lactose intolerant Aryan. I'm lactose intolerant.

[D]

So number one national chain.

[C]

If I have my choice, I around. Like, if. Yeah, if it's a national chain and it's not like, you know, saying New York if not in New York or something like that. I'm gonna get pizza. Stuffed crust.

[B]

What's your. What's your order?

[C]

Stuffed crust. Meat lovers.

[A]

Yeah, Stuffed crust.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Good order.

[D]

You know whose pizza is the closest to Pizza Hut? Costco.

[A]

Is it really in.

[D]

In my opinion.

[A]

So, Big T, you said something fascinating to me a second ago. You said Pizza Hut was your number one ranked national chain.

[D]

Pizza chain.

[A]

Pizza chain. Okay, so you have it over Domino's?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I like Domino's. I do. I do like a nice stuffed crust, but Domino's, you're wrong on that.

[B]

Pft. It's. Domino's is cheap, but it's not good.

[A]

They've RE, they've redone their whole, though. They streamlined everything. They became a technology company.

[B]

They did, they, they.

[A]

It's better than it used to be. Yeah, it is.

[C]

I haven't had the new, I haven't had Domino's maybe since like 2015.

[D]

They like did a whole ad campaign about how we acknowledged that our pizza is shitty. So we're changing everything. And it's, it's fine. It's fine.

[C]

Which is.

[B]

I loved Round Table as a kid because it was an, it was an experiment experience. Like, you go there, there was, you play rampage. And like, you know, the pizza was good. But then, and then later, the Round Table on Van Essen, San Francisco. I used to do a lot of methamphetamine in there. In the bathroom, of course. But I would say the cheapest and like the easiest for when you're broke is Domino's. But Pizza Hut seems to be like the most, I would say consistent, like as like a chain. I, I, you know, I gotta agree with Big T and Aaron on this. You're frankly wrong. Pfp. Well, but it's okay.

[A]

The thing is, you said these are low class people. I kind of like low class.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I know, but like, yes, me too. It's not like I'm going to, I don't even know where they have fancy pizza, but like, it's, it just seems like they're fancy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like pizza that, it's like a piece of basil and then there's like a dollop of mozzarella, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

And don't even got cheese on it. It's got like blotches of pear.

[A]

Yeah, it's got, yeah, they put, they put on the crust like one of those.

[C]

Okay, you're right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That ass.

[B]

I went to hot pot last night and yeah. Reminded me that, dude, hot pot. But that's where like I feel like that's where east meets west where like the Chinese people let you have some of their more up foods. And so they're like, like, we'll put this on the white boy menu tonight. Goat brain.

[C]

And that's a wild on the menu, right? Like, I was out. Like, they got chicken feet on that. They got, they got pig brain. They got like blood, like little lumps of blood. Like, like weird ass. Like, I'm gonna lie, like, not, not to my part. I'd just be getting the regular. They got wagyu too.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

As we cooking away.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm saying wagyu.

[B]

I know, but you think chicken feet? You think chicken feet's gonna be good? Because it's up sounding and you have it. You're like, this tastes exactly like I thought chicken.

[C]

Exactly. How they look is how it takes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So ass dog. But, well.

[B]

So we got Jack Posobiek.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

Again, this freak, we got Mike Cernovich, who was. He's. He's kind of famous for having a lisp, but he was sort of what you might just like describe as like a pro date rape activist back in 2050. He was like a red pill guy who's like now become like just a conservative guy. You have the libs of tick tock lady who I love. I think she's beautiful unmarried, which I find very interesting considering she is orthodox Jewish and most of those women get married when they're very young. So there must be something wrong with her, but that, you know what? Sometimes we shine brightest in our flaws and she must be deeply flawed because she has never had a man. And she is getting older and, you know, the doctor death is knocking that door pretty soon, but. But I'm sure things will work out for her. And then you had this guy, Scott Pressler, who's kind of like a gay elf on the Republican side. He's tall and thin and has sort of long hair in a. In a Fabio style, but without the body, which I find interesting. And then who else was there? Oh, there's a woman who I can't mention because she tanked my itunes reviews of my podcast to zero the last time we mentioned her on the podcast. And there was like a couple and a guy named Chad Prath, who I never heard of, but I love country musician with 3,000 plays a song on YouTube, which I, I'm assured is very good. But these guys all came out of the White House and they're holding these binders that say Epstein files.

[A]

Like, you know, phase one, Phase one, Phase one.

[B]

And in those files was literally nothing at all. There was the black book, but with all the phone numbers and email addresses redacted, which is no fun. And so like a more censored version of what's out there. And, you know, yeah, the government's not going to put out people's email addresses and phone numbers. I, I'm not saying that they should, but you also have a list of Masse's, which I, I don't know what that means. I mean, Epstein did portray on his bills a lot of the girls that he molested as people giving him massages, but he also had a lot of legitimate masse. So I don't, I don't know. All the names are blacked out. So it's just several pages of fully, fully blacked out names and then an evidence list which I don't remember seeing before, but there's nothing really in it. And then a, A, what do you call it? A bunch of the flight logs, which are like, literally have been out for years and years and years and years. And it's also not a complete bunch of the flight logs. So it's just like once it was a, it is a disaster because you have like this group of right wing pro government influencers summoned to the White House, giving these documents and then they're parading them, smiling, like, you know, hanging out, you know, reveling in their access. And that created like a MAGA civil war with one of the most beautiful women probably to ever been born. I've only been alive for 35 years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I've googled pretty much every kind of woman there can be. So I've seen, I think, throughout the range of history. Yes. Including, I'm saying, ugly cave cave woman and hot cave woman and medium cave woman. I've looked at all of them, like, throughout history. And, you know, I gotta tell you, Laura Loomer, no one's doing it like her. Wow.

[A]

Yeah, she got, she freaked out. She. Yeah, she was, she was very upset. Was she invited?

[B]

She wasn't invited. The rumor, the rumors are, and I'm going to tell you this because, you know, I got a line to, I got a line of D.C. but I did hear this from several people that are like real journalists. The rumors are that she did suck Donald Trump's penis.

[A]

It's a rumor.

[B]

Is it really is. It really is a rumor. And like, I'm not gonna say it's like 100. Like, I'm not gonna say I believe it. 100. But I don't. I'm not ruling it out.

[A]

I would not rule it out. She's been.

[B]

And I wouldn't rule it out for me either. Like, I was thinking about it, I was like, damn, I would try it. You know, not like, you know, it must be crazy. Yeah. In some way, good or bad, she's, she's nuts.

[A]

She's been nuts for, for, for a long time. She's had so many, like, public freakouts. Like she's gone through mental health crisis online probably five or six times, like very publicly. But now it feels like she's bigger than ever than she's ever been. And so she was Pissed off. She was like, I don't give a start. You should start with telling the truth. This is absurd. Everyone is laughing at the administration today. Who on earth thought this was a good idea? I think she was asking Pam Bondi to resign. I think she's put the call, that also might just be jealousy. She might be upset that Pam is, is working out of the Oval Office. And then there, yeah, your, your girl Anna Paulina Luna, she said, this is not what we are. The American people asked for. Get us the information that we asked for instead of leaking old info to the press.

[B]

So what do you think there is.

[A]

A, what do you think happened here? Do you think that, that Pam Body knew that there was nothing new in these reports and she just was excited about the opportunity to make a, a publicity splash? Like from a PR standpoint, you give them to a bunch of people with followers, they hold the binders up. The binders look like they're very important. They contain some, some big information. And then you hope that that just gets, that goes across Trump's desk and he's like, Pam did a great job. Look at, look, everyone's talking about this.

[B]

I think that I want to preface this by saying I genuinely think that Pam Bondi is stupid, like in like a, like, I don't think she, like, it's hard, it's hard because you don't want to think that somebody who was like Attorney General of Florida for such a long time and now Attorney General of the entire country is just like dumb. But I think that Bondi is just in over her head. And I, I think that if you are the Attorney General of the United States and you're given a list of files that's like 150 pages and you're told that these are the entirety of the files from like a 20 year investigation and you go ahead with it, I think, and present that as like groundbreaking stuff. I do think that you are stupid, at least in that way. And so she, I think was banking on this being like a publicity stunt, like an easy win. It'll impress Trump, it'll impress the base. And it just completely backfired on her because I don't think that she really knew what she was getting into. Now, in the lead up to all of this, there have been all these sort of like rumors on the right wing that the Southern District of New York, which Prosecuted Epstein and GHI Maxwell in, in 2019 and then 2021, I guess, respectively, that they had been burning files and like deleting stuff and and trying to stymy investigations and like, it wasn't directly linked to Epstein, but then it became sort of linked to Epstein and sort of like the right wing meme verse. And so once this stuff came out and it was a complete disaster, Laura Loomer led the charge, but everyone was rebelling against this. Like, you know, you're lying to us. This isn't it. All this stuff is old news. The. The government's rhetoric shifted from like, look at these transparent things we're doing to we are being. The deep state has taken us down from inside the southern district of New York, York. And the reality is there's probably tens of thousands of pages of documents. The evidence collected from Epstein's townhouse in New York include like, like buckets full of hard drives and like CD cases with, you know, girls names on the, on the CDs and guys names on the CDs. We haven't seen any of that stuff. And obviously some of that stuff will be illegal for us to see, but it is, it's just startling that she thought that this would. Would solve and not solve, excuse me, rather like this would ameliorate anybody's curiosity. And so now she and Cash Patel, the, you know, all seeing eye at the head of the FBI, are sort of using this as an excuse to. To purge the FBI field office in New York in the southern district of New York.

[A]

Got it. So to me, this sounds a lot like the Game of Thrones cinematic universe where you've got. You've got George R.R. martin, who is, you know, he wrote, he wrote the books. You saw the series that everybody loved until the last season. And he's been promising his audience, I'm going to finish these books and then, and then you'll get more content that you like. And instead he does some other side projects. And the people who are almost more into his own lore than he is get pissed off at him. And they're like, you're up the whole story, George. Like, get your act together. And I feel like sometimes it's that way at the, at the top of politics, where the base they understand because their lore is ever changing and evolving online. Yeah, they're more in tune with each other. They know what the right things to say are, who the right people to implicate who we're going to be going after, who's about to get arrested next. They are the ones that are almost more into the product than the people who were at the top, who got to the top through the votes of the people who are into the lore. So they try to do something that will amuse their audience or engage their audience.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it becomes a flop. And it's because they don't, they don't truly understand how deep into the canon these people are online that are, that are propping them up. And I feel like that might have happened with Pam Bondi.

[B]

Yeah, like she was trying to like, like Pam Bondi is like trying to think of another way to explain this too. It's like imagine Jeffrey Epstein is Baby Yoda. Right?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The little fella.

[A]

Yeah, little guy.

[B]

And, and Pam Bondi is the. Whoever does Star wars now. And Pam Bondi's like, dude, what if, what if Baby Yoda was just the center of the Star wars movies from now on on? The fans would go crazy because she would understand. She thinks how everyone loves Baby Yoda, but people actually want to see the old Yoda. And Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader do all their crazy things together. But now people are mad because she just put another guy in. It's, that's what it feels like. It's like she's trying to do fan service.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But the fans rebelled because they've moved so far past all of the like stuff that's been out for years. And again, I think a lot of it's jealousy. The, the reality though is like if you take an objective, you know, stand back, look at this, you're like, that's crazy that the government invited a bunch of like. And these aren't journalists, they're just like influencers, like a bunch of pro government influencers to the White House and disseminated these like binders full of to them in the hopes that they would fool their audiences by pretending this was. And they also had all of the people who are summoned there, they had them tweet like in a spawn con ass way. This is the most transparent administration in history. They all said it in their tweets. And then to spend the rest of the day backtracking. And so it was just a complete disaster. However, I kind of wonder if this will lead to. Because then Pam Bondi says, oh, the next day I want all the Epstein files on my desk by 8 in the morning. And she says she has the files now and so we'll see if they get released. And I would love, I would love it if this like tied up. I mean I would love to see the files, but it might actually, this, this bungle might actually end up in a bunch of Epstein stuff getting released.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So she said I think Cash said it, too, that they. They had a couple trucks that pulled up with a bunch of files that they're going to be going through. I don't know how much of that is real. How much of the files or things that we haven't seen before.

[B]

Yeah, so what.

[A]

What is real, Brace? Because I was trying to talk about this on. On Tuesday's episode, but I don't know, like, you know, it. I know that when they. When the raid on the townhouse occurred in New York, there were some files, some things that got removed, collected as evidence, and there were some things that mysteriously disappeared before the FBI could return to the house to collect the evidence. So what. What do we think that they have in their possession? And then what went missing?

[B]

So something that, like, the law enforcement supposed to do when they, like, collect evidence is like, maintain a chain of custody, right? Like, you always kind of have that shit, like, in somebody's site, you know, checked off on a form in a place that's secure for the entire time from when it gets taken or when it's, like, found to when it is, like, you know, put in court in a case or used as evidence. Epstein. There was a raid on Epstein's townhouse. And, you know, my memory is maybe a little rusty here, but the. The basic facts of it are that, like, the nypd, FBI left for a while, and in that period of time, Epstein's lawyers came to the house and maybe took some stuff out of the safes. In fact, they're almost positive that stuff was taken out of the saves. And then the FBI came back and took a bunch of stuff. And so, like, there's, like, a chain of custody there that's broken very early on in the chain. And it's not only just broken in, like, you know, because sometimes things go missing sometimes, you know, I don't know, maybe there's a crooked, crooked cop or, like, you know, FBI agent, but in this case, like, it seems like his lawyers were basically granted access to do something to that house and. And to, I don't know, maybe maybe move some stuff, maybe delete some stuff, maybe just take some stuff out of the house entirely. And it seems very clear that's what they did. And so, I mean, because of all this, like, it's. It's astounding that, you know, even so many years later, we don't really know what Epstein did for a living. You know, like, he was very rich, and we know that, like, he helped, like, Leon Black and, you know, and. And Leslie Wexner. These people with their, their taxes. But, like, I'm sorry, being the accountant to, like, a few private equity guys does not give you that townhouse or the private island. Like, he's as rich or if not richer than a lot of people who are like, the titans of business that he's supposed to be helping. And so there's a lot of mysteries still there. I mean, one of those two is like, you know, we've heard from witnesses, I've spoken to witnesses who said that his townhouse was wired up, a security system, an internal security system, and obviously, you know, cameras on the outside, but also on the inside. You know, what's on those tapes? You know, what does it show? Like, are they in the bedrooms? You know, we don't know. And there's been complete, like, opacity from the government on a lot of this stuff since the get go. I mean, Galain was tried and the trial was very limited. You know, they tried not to, to bring too much extraneous stuff into it. And, and because of that, you know, it's almost like we learned a little bit, but we didn't learn that much. And there are so many questions, like, why was the former Prime Minister of Israel Barak over there? Like, a hundred times, you know, I mean, by his own estimations, a hundred times he's hiding his face when he was leaving. Like, what, like, what was so entrancing about Jeffrey Epstein's house that this guy had to visit him? And I think, I think we probably know the answer to that, but it's.

[A]

Really, there could be a couple answers to that. Yeah, that specific question for that guy. Because I, I, I've read a bunch of, of stuff online. I've watched a lot of interviews of people who have worked in intelligence before. And, you know, in, in the, the famous plea deal that he had, Acosta said that he was told to lay off him because he was connected to intelligence in some way, shape or form. Do you think that Epstein was working with Mossad?

[B]

I would say likely, yes. I mean, I, again, I have no. Like, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence of this. I mean, Ghislaine Maxwell, his sort of partner in crime's father, has long been rumored and with a ton of evidence, to have worked with closely with Mossad, if not have been a member of Mossad himself or even something sort of not even just a member of Mossad, but like some other kind of intelligence figure for Israel, but also a mafia figure worldwide, but Eastern European mafias and Israeli intelligence And state institutions have a lot of interlinks, you know, no matter how you put it. And so, I mean, that could just be an astounding coincidence. Right? It could be a crazy coincidence that this guy Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father, was like this like storied sort of intelligence agent rumored to have been. Been murdered himself by Israel after trying to blackmail them. And her daughter just goes ahead and becomes somehow the boyfriend or, excuse me, the girlfriend of a guy who, who is, you know, long standing. Rumors of blackmail and, and, and government, let's say maybe some contracting going on there. I mean, it could just be this. That's, that's the kind of guy she likes, but I don't think so. And it doesn't really, it doesn't really ring true to me. I mean, I think that there's. With the honest shadow of the doubt. Of a doubt. Epstein has some connections with Israel, whether they're official ones or unofficial ones, whatever's going on there, you know, Mossad itself might be a red herring. It could be some other agency within Israel, which there are several other intelligence agencies there. It could be, you know, sort of a freelance thing. We don't know. But a lot of the circumstantial evidence points that way, including what you said, like Alex Acosta, but also Ehud Barack, you know, visiting him, you know, former Israeli spymaster and also Prime Minister. And, you know, it's, it, it seems to me that there's a lot of smoke, but we've been prevented from seeing the fire. And I don't think that we will. I don't think that the government is going to come out and be like this guy was, was giving, you know, blackmail tapes to Mossad.

[A]

Right. I don't think that we would. And the thing is like, we, we spy on countries that we're friends with. Other countries spy on us, even if we have an understanding like Mossad, they definitely have intelligence agents that work in the United States. Like, they, their intelligence services. I think the, the. I don't know if you want to say best, the most industrious in the world.

[B]

Pretty good.

[A]

They're pretty good. They, they, they have some, that beeper pager operation and the walkie talkie operation.

[B]

Great.

[A]

They got years of, of planning and in there they, they get results one way or the other. So yeah, it's, it, it's very strange. I don't think that we're. I resigned myself to just understand that we're never going to know everything. We're never any. Even if we do find out most of the things. There's gonna be a lot of stuff that leaves you wanting more. And I don't know that we're gonna. It would be nice to see the files that they took from his office in New York. That would be good to see.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Have you heard anything? Because, like, going down these rabbit holes, you could get extremely lost and it gets. It gets really weird. I found myself on a really weird part of Twitter. Like it felt like 4chan. There was this girl. What is this name? What is her name? Jessica Krause. She was wearing a shirt that said Free Gils Gills Gil slain. I don't know how to pronounce her name.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[C]

Why? Like, I didn't want to even get into the reasons as to why she had that shirt on, but apparently Trump hosted her at Mar a Lago. And so like, I was just curious, like, what would be the justification of wearing that shirt? I try to at least hear it from somebody's perspective before I judge. What would be the justification of wearing that shirt?

[B]

Well, I gotta be careful with my words here because this, this free speech.

[C]

America's back.

[A]

No, no, no, my brother. This, this.

[B]

I have. I have free spoken this. This woman's name before on my podcast and our itunes reviews did not do well after she posted on her Instagram stories. You got a million followers. But she is a. She was an rfk. I met her at the Glain trial. We have a difference of opinion on many things. Is a big fan of RFK Jr and takes credit for know connecting him with Trump. I don't know what the truth of that is, but she is a big free gain person for reasons that I cannot fathom. She. I believe also there's some. Some links with. With Milo Yiannopoulos and Kanye west in there as well. And she is, she is, she is a. She is an interesting lady. I do think it is very interesting that, that, that you're right. I didn't even consider that Trump did host a free Galane, the number one and possibly only Free Ghislaine activist in the United States for the release of the Epstein files. It's very strange to me. I can't understand. I think she has some. I mean, she. I gonna be honest with you. I think a lot of that stuff on that blog is just made up all that she. She has a blog and oftentimes I've read it and I've been a little hesitant to take some of the things, the interviews in there as, as factual, but I think it's like a clout thing. Like, it's like, it's like, you know, it's like when you kind of just say to like get attention, that's that. That seems to be in line with that. You'd think though that the government would do a little bit more vetting before letting a free G person into the. Into the Epstein files release. But, but what do I know?

[A]

As. As content creators, we can all appreciate the. The. The act of finding a. A gap in the marketplace of ideas and then cornering that gap and well.

[B]

Dude, dude, Candace Owens, who I love. She is a. And all right. Forgive me, my Nubian queen. She is. I think she is a delightful looking woman. Her politics leave a little something to be.

[C]

I think she's. I think she's beautiful.

[A]

She's just.

[B]

I think she's beautiful.

[C]

Wild thoughts.

[B]

Not a big fan of the Jews, I've noticed.

[C]

Yes, he started that. Hey yo, I meant to bring this up last podcast up yo. She's on a totally different right now. I don't know if you heard this 50. She is currently trying to prove that. Who's the.

[D]

The French president, Emmanuel Macron.

[C]

Yes. That his wife is his dad.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Bro, I'm not. That's not even.

[A]

I'm not even.

[D]

You haven't seen this?

[A]

No, I. I think I've seen the results. The downstream results of this discourse he's putting out because I've noticed more and more pictures of Emmanuel Macron and his wife in. In homelier looking photos and so I.

[C]

Assume that's all rippling down like she is not. But she had a whole series. I'm not watching that. But she has like episodes and episodes about how she has evidence upon evidence about how this woman is his dad. And I' ma wait till the facts clear before I blend that in.

[B]

What kind of.

[A]

That's reverse Oedipus.

[B]

I mean I just got to tell you, Emmanuel Macron, I know you are. I know he's. I know he's a stoolie. I don't know if he listens to Macro. Macro.

[A]

That's why we named ourselves. Yeah, it's actually.

[B]

If you are listening to this be careful these snow bunnies. It might be your father because I tell you, be careful these snow bunnies. He's an ain't your ancient wife. So Emmanuel Macron's wife is significantly than Emanuel McCrone and met him when she was. He was I believe her high. Her high school student. Candace's theory is that Brigitte McCrone is at first her theory was that Brigitte McCrone had taken on the identity of her dead brother and had transitioned to become. Or wait, no, Brigitte Macron was the brother and her sister died. Or his sister died, and then Brigitte Macron took on the identity of the sister, which was Brigitte, and became Brigitte Macron and then groomed Emmanuel Macron to be her concubine. Now, I believe you're right. She's like, actually that Brigitte Macron is Emmanuel Macron's dad.

[C]

And it's crazy because, like, I'm not in that stratosphere. Right. It's a whole different world. Try not to fall down that pipe about it had been a while since I heard anything about Candace Owens, and somebody has. I had heard somebody that. That the Daily Wire let go of her. And I was like, why? Why? What happened there? What. You know, what's. What's the infighting about, ladies? And. And so I was like, yo, what's going on with Candace? And then I check her timeline. It's full of, like, the French president's wife is his dad. I was like, hey, yes. Oh, my God, Doug.

[B]

But she's moved on a little. She's moved on a little bit from, like, not her. She was at one point getting into some pretty obscure anti Semitic theories. Yeah. Which. And now she's thankfully moved on to Brigitte. But. But I. I love her new thing, though. Get a load of this. She's Weinstein Innocent is her new.

[C]

Oh, man.

[B]

So that's cornering the market.

[A]

I understand where she, like, she's the number one.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Harvey Weinstein defender.

[B]

Exactly. So I'm like, holy. This is like. There's some gaps in the market for macro dosing here.

[A]

There are we. I think we doubt. Well, we're a Michael Jackson innocent podcast.

[C]

Wait, hold on.

[A]

There's areas.

[C]

There's evidence behind this now we will never know. Oh, you don't. Yes. You don't know this side of me. All right, look, I'm not. I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

[A]

No, give it to me.

[C]

I watched Leaving Neverland, that documentary. HBO documentary.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And I grew up thinking Mike did that. Right. It was just kind of like that. But, hey, that's Mike. It is what it is. Like, don't make great music. And. But I never looked into. I was too young to understand what was going on, but I. The rumors were there, so I was like, whatever. It is what it is. And so I watched the documentary, and at the time, my son was into dance, and he was, like, dancing to all The Michael Jackson songs, right? Which never bothered me because I was like, it's Mike.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I watched. I was like, it. I'm gonna watch the documentary. And after watching it, I was like, sick. I was like, oh, my God, this is crazy. Like, you hear the rumors, but when you see it, it's. It just turns your stomach. It's disgusting. And then now I'm like, yo, my. My son's dancing to this jones. So anyway, so I'm like, I gotta finish up. I gotta watch part two. Watch part two. And I. And I was like, something ain't sitting right with me. You ever get the feeling that you're being lied to? That. It was. Got that feeling. I still thought. Thought he was guilty, but I was like, something ain't sitting right with me, right? And so I just get to digging, right? And then one thing leads me another, and I spent like three months just. I, bro, I read depositions. I did the whole. I did the whole nine, Every single accusation, right? So growing up, you would think, like, hundreds of kids were accusing him of that. It's not true. That was two, right? And then when he died, there was two more, right? And so that's a lot for anybody. Don't give me. Don't get me wrong, right? But when you dig into the cases, every single one, the evidence is. So it's. Why, if I was to tell you, Brace. If I was like, yo, bro, I got 10 federal counts against me and 14 misdemeanors, you would be like, you're going to jail. Yeah, right. He beat all that shit. And it was like. It was to the point where, like, the jury was laughing at the evidence in court. And this was for the second conviction, the first one. They changed the laws because of the Michael Jackson case, right? So originally, you could sue for. In civil court and then try a criminal case. Because of the Michael Jackson case, you have to do the criminal first and then do the civil lawsuit. Because what ended up happening was they were like, okay, we're going to defend this. Michael's like, I didn't do it. We're going to. We're going to defend this. But they were getting sued civilly, right? And I can go into, like, super detail, but I'm just giving you the basic rundown. And he was like, we're going to defend this. So. But if you're going to defend it, like, the state would have access to all that evidence that you would defend yourself against the civil case, right? So they were like, let's just settle, right? And Then let's prove our innocence in criminal court. Court, Right. So they settled with no admission of wrongdoing. And then after. After the civil case, right? If, like if, if, if. If his. My. If my son was. That was to happen to my son, right. I don't give a. About the civil. We can do the civil. That's fine. But I'm going to make sure this motherfucker goes to jail.

[B]

Criminal case. Yeah.

[C]

After they won the civil, both parents refused to go to criminal court. And not only that, the kid, Right. Files for emancipation from his parents. Wow.

[B]

And no matter which way that went down, he should have done that fact.

[C]

But the more you. The more you dig into it and like that, when you look at the actual evidence, it gets deeper and deeper. Like, yo, it was a pure money grab. Pure money grab. And the. And the second one was even worse than that one. Like the evidence just is lacking. It's lacking. It's lacking.

[B]

But I remember they pulled the documentary like after it came out and then put it back on the. Do you remember that the judge.

[C]

The judge threw that. Those dudes cases out. What they didn't mention in that case was they were suing the Michael Jackson state for a billion dollars. And the judge threw it out.

[B]

And just to think, if he won that case, Big T wouldn't even have to be here right now.

[A]

Just be traveling the country, going to every Tennessee game. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Road trips, rv life pretty good.

[D]

I'm not going back to college to be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber One for students. It saves you on Uber and UberEats. I'm there for zero dollar delivery fee.

[B]

On cheeseburgers, up to 10% off smoothies and 6% Uber credits back on rides. Just to be clear, I'm there for.

[D]

Savings, not whatever you think college is for.

[B]

Get Uber one for students a membership to save on Uber. And Uber eats with deals this good. Everyone wants to be a student. Join for just 4.99amonth savings. May vary eligibility and member terms apply. Yeah, I mean, you know, listen. PFT is a CeeLo Green Truther.

[C]

What's. What's this?

[A]

I think he's fucking awesome. Yeah, I think he's got a great voice. I actually love Criminally.

[B]

I like.

[A]

I like CeeLo Green before he was a solo artist.

[C]

Oh, what was he.

[B]

It was.

[A]

Was he in. Was it. I'm gonna screw it up Mob. Deep.

[C]

Goody Mob.

[A]

I mean, Goody Mob. Goody Mob. Yeah. CeeLo Green and Goody Mob.

[C]

Two different eras. No, around the same era, but two different.

[A]

It has the word mob in it.

[C]

It's close enough areas. Mob, deep East Coast. Put him up down south.

[B]

I don't like when people wear glasses that are too big.

[A]

Yeah. It's a red flag.

[B]

What are you looking at?

[A]

You know, do you think that Stevie Wonder was blonde?

[B]

Was blonde blind? Oh, no, dude. I think he could see some.

[A]

Yeah, I. I think, you know, he said, what's up? Yeah, yeah, he saw Shaq and he goes, what's up, Shaq? He's waved at people.

[B]

What's up? Maybe he could hear Shaq, though. Because a lot of people tell me that, like, blind people develop super senses otherwise. So, like, possibly he. Well, obviously he could be psychic. But disregarding that, he could also maybe, like, detect, like, the footfalls of Shaq, which are probably pretty, like, thunderous. You know what I mean? Like, if it's like. It's. Stevie can, like, sense, like, a glass of water shaking.

[A]

Yeah. Because Shaq is approaching, or you might use echolocation. And he. Yeah, he just thinks real high pitched.

[B]

Maybe Shaq has a certain musk to him.

[C]

Him.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Size 22. When that hits the floor, it's probably a different.

[B]

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Because people. Because bl. I sneak up on blind people all the time. All the time. Because I have size 4ft. I'm like, normal height and stuff. I got. I got size fours. And so I just. I just go kind of rob them all the time. Because they can't really see nothing. And it's kind of like they don't know. I mean, blind people kind of. You can just be like, oh, yeah, it's a 20, it's a 50. Like, you can just say whatever to them.

[A]

And so, like, that's why Ray Charles.

[C]

Was fighting his manager.

[B]

But it's crazy. Why are there so many blind? Like, blues guys? How come there's no blind white?

[A]

So that. That was my theory, and it's not my theory. A lot of people have said this about Stevie, that maybe he's not totally blind. But I think, personally, a lot has to do with the fact that there were a lot of black musicians that were blind that all came to prominence in, like, the 30s, 40s, 50s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Stevie, I think, might be very visually impaired. And as he was making his name as a musician, a manager or somebody was like, we really gotta lean into this blind thing, because that's a gold mine.

[B]

Yeah. I'm looking at the list of, like, 20 famous blind musicians right now. Stevie Wonder. Ray Charles. Andrea Bocelli. Okay. He's white. Well, Italian. Jose Feliciano. He's blind.

[C]

I didn't know he was blind.

[A]

I don't know that.

[B]

What the. Is he really blind? Since birth.

[C]

What? That is news to me, dog. Jose Feliciano.

[B]

Ginny Owens. Never heard of her. Ronnie Lee Millsap. Okay. Country singer. Blind Lemon Jefferson. He's a brother. Gilbert Montaigne. Oh, this guy is white as hell. I've never. It's French.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe Cajun. Blind. Blake. Al Hibbler. Like, but, like, most of these are, like, black blues musicians. Sonny, Terry and M. Ch okay, now we're getting into India, where they're like.

[A]

It was like. Yeah, it was like a sub genre.

[B]

Yeah. Of blind guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What about a deaf musician? Huh?

[A]

Beethoven.

[C]

Beethoven. Was deaf.

[B]

Beethoven. Yeah, Beethoven. How about. What's the other? A mute musician. I guess you could probably do that pretty easy. That's not really somebody.

[A]

They can't talk?

[B]

Play guitar or something. Yeah. Dude.

[A]

Are there any people who are. Who are mute that can hear, or is it always a combination of deaf and mute?

[B]

No, there are a lot of people who are mute that can hear.

[A]

Oh, okay. Mad Dog. Sounds like you might know somebody.

[B]

No, but, like, a lot of times people with autism are, like, selectively mute and they can hear. They just don't want to talk to you. You probably just don't encounter them much because they probably don't have many mute people working on podcasts.

[A]

That's true. We don't run the same circles. They're great listeners. We probably have a bunch of them.

[B]

That listen to the show, shout out to mute people. Because a true. I've always said that a true gangster moves in silence, but that actually isn't true because the actual reality. People say that, and I. Sometimes I even say that. But the reality is the true gangster is incredibly loud because first of all, he's holding two badass submachine guns that are clicking and clanking around.

[C]

Eric Gangster.

[B]

Yeah, well, also, his pockets are full of coins, so he's moving. The true gangster has about 50 quarters in each pockets at all times. Yeah, the suits are loud and loud suits, of course.

[A]

Thick ass pin stripes.

[B]

Yeah, we got to do something about a lot of the. A lot of the. A lot of conservative people. I've noticed. And I. I am conservative, obviously. So this is just. This is.

[A]

This is all from Love Horseshoe theory.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, No, I. I just. No, no, no. Pft. Since the election. I am conservative now. I'm just.

[A]

I'M joining the winning team.

[B]

Pivot, bitcoin reserve. We're doing it. Everything's gonna go great. They wear a suit, but then they'll also wear a vest. The vest. And they'll be wearing this tight vest. So one of the people that got. That got the Epstein files is this guy named Rogan O'. Handley. Rogan O', Handley, also known as DC Drano, is the ex boyfriend of Ashley St. Clair, who recently had a baby with Elon Musk. That got. When he's. When he's at the White House and he's coming out, he's holding the files, he's wearing this vest.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like his suit in his vest. And everyone else is kind of just wearing like normal clothes. And it's like, my brother, I get that you're going to the White House. You're not going to the White House. In the wild, wild west. Okay? You don't need the suit. You don't need the pocket watch. You don't need a little acrobat. The ascot. You know, you're. You're a guy who goes by DC Drano and you post like pro. Elon Musk memes. You post memes of a guy who your ex girlfriend had a baby with her when you could not. Because your nuts are sour. And so, you know, you don't gotta wear. You don't gotta. You shouldn't be wearing. You should be wearing a cloak of morning. That is weird.

[A]

That is weird that he's such a big Elon Musk guy. Knowing what we know now, could you.

[B]

Imagine being like, yeah, I love the guy who's just my ex girlfriend and having a baby with her. I mean, that.

[A]

That's a man that's committed to the country. Brace. That's a man that's willing to put country over any personal feelings he might have.

[B]

What do you think, Aaron? I'm interested to hear what you think about. Do you think that. Do you think what Elon's doing is. I feel like, is it cool?

[C]

No, I don't. No.

[B]

Because you're a father, Bryce.

[C]

Wait, what part?

[B]

The part where he's having like a bunch of different kids.

[C]

Hey, we listen and we don't judge, you know, Man.

[B]

Hey, play the up. You know?

[C]

I mean, it is what it is. I have made many mistakes. Not as many as Elon, but. Amen. He just seems I'm in all my children's lives.

[A]

Brace, do you think that he is having these babies naturally through natural conception, or is he mailing his sperm out because that's something that, that Epstein, he had like a big fantasy, right, of starting like a. An army of child soldiers that were born from his sperm.

[C]

Well, I know that this thing is like, human population. Is it like, he believes that we should procreate to the max because he thinks that we are, like, struggling population wise. Like, we need to have more.

[B]

Yes. Although I mean no disrespect by this, and he's obviously on my beliefs. I don't necessarily. If I would include you. And we.

[C]

What you mean that?

[B]

I think he thinks the white man is dying out. And he's like, there's too many. There's too many blacks and, and Asians. But yet. Yeah, he's like. He's like there's. He. He thinks. I mean, and he won't say it outright, but like, you can kind of tell by the way, like, he always talks about, like, third World immigration explosion. Right? So, like, there's too many people in Africa, there's too many people in India, there's too many people in China. But at the same time, Western Europe and the US but particularly the white demographic in the US are not having enough kids. And so he's like, trying to create these sort of super babies. Although he, I will say, one of his ex wives, who unfortunately has me blocked on Twitter just for a little light harassment. Not even sexual. Siobhan Zillis is half Indian. So he does have a half Indian. He has a quarter Indian kids. Four of them, including the newest announced one as of last week, Selden Lycurgus. But he, I. He is doing exactly the Epstein thing because Epstein had this, like, plan in New Mexico. He was like, I'm gonna do a spot sperm bank, basically, and I'm going to invite beautiful, intelligent women. I'm going to inseminate them, and we're going to repopulate the Earth. Which I'm like, I didn't know the Earth was being depopulated. Yeah, I didn't know that we were going down. And. And Musk says essentially the same thing, except sometimes he brings Mars into it. And some of these are natty, some of these are natty. But I'm going to be real with you. Pft. And I don't know if you want to hear this. And I can't unfortunately, say everything. I know. Some of these are naughty.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

No, I know so.

[A]

You know, some of these, like turkey baster.

[B]

No, from penis in vagina.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

So Elon, can you imagine, Elon, I want everybody right now. Well, except for you guys that I'm talking to. To imagine Elon Musk's like a face when he's doing. Oh, oh, yeah, like going. He's like.

[A]

I think he's like, Elon. Elon would be the kind of guy who. He would nut super fast. Like, I'm talking maybe two seconds. He'd be like. That's actually the most efficient way that you can. You can ejaculate because it allows you to move on to your next mate. And in caveman days, if you could ejaculate faster, you could populate the earth faster.

[B]

Okay, but this is confusing.

[A]

A predator would catch you in the act of coitus, and you could be hunted by a saber tooth tiger unless you ejaculated immediately.

[C]

Hey, if you stutter a few more times, you got that down.

[B]

I think you could do. I think you could do it. Yeah. I'm guessing right now you just sound like Adrian Ditman.

[C]

You don't sound like Elon Musk.

[A]

Yeah, I'm close.

[B]

Yes. Yes. I think that. I think that Elon. I mean, I. I guarantee also, he's like taking some. That is doing some to his nuts in a crazy way. He's also got the robot dick. What's the robot dick? Oh, man. You know what a French tickler is?

[C]

I do not know what a French tickler is.

[B]

I don't really either, but it's like a. It's like a condom that, like, has some bumps on it, I think. But I heard a long time ago. I've heard this from two different sources, and these are real sources that Elon has a. Something's up with his dick. And later. I. Or I. I. Not later. For one of them, it was later. But, you know, I inquired further, and I've learned from two sources who don't know each other, who got this information independently on their own, if you can. That's how that happened. He's a robot dick.

[A]

So he has something installed. Now, the gentlemanly thing to do would be to have almost like a little proboscis installed above your penis so that you. Clitoral stimulation and penetration. I feel like he's not. That's not where his mind went.

[B]

No, I think. I think I'm guessing at this point. I've talked to a lot of people. I talked to a guy who has a penis, a robot penis. He's the invention of something. The inventor of something called the Lovetron 9000, which is a series of beads that are implanted subdermally along the shaft of the wiener and powered by an external battery source and vibrate in some way. I spoke to him on the phone at great length inquiring about how this would go down. And he said that the primary obstacle from production of these things is batteries. What does Elon have?

[A]

Lithium.

[B]

Access to lithium. A lot of batteries. Why do you think he needs that lithium? Because he needs that robot penis to keep going. But I heard this from two people who. Well, one of who him and one of whom who talked to somebody who was with him for a long time and he's got a robot penis of some kind. And whether it's like an exoskeleton or it's like a. You know what I'm saying? Like it's like a, it's like something you sort of like a scaffolding you put on top of it or it's a, it's a sub, sub, I guess cutaneous implantation, I don't know. But I think that I've also heard that outside of, and I've heard this from like real, actual, genuine, straight up reporters, that there is a baby farm outside of Austin that he has many more babies at. So we're up to the Official count is 14, but there's more.

[A]

A baby farm. If I had to guess where a baby farm would be in Austin, we're thinking maybe Southeast Austin.

[B]

Do you know, I don't know about, I don't know enough about Austin. I've been to Austin. Every time I go there it looks completely different.

[C]

So I expect every time you go something changes though. And nobody that's from there wants you there.

[B]

Yes, yes. It's crazy. I, it's like every last time I was there, I was looking out upon the vast vista from my hotel room.

[C]

Poetic.

[B]

And thank you. It was. Well, I was, of course I was gooning. So day two of a gooning situation and I opened the blinds and, and I looked at, I was like, there's. I've genuinely never seen so many cranes in my life. And I'm like, I cannot wait for more B2B, SAS and crypto exchange companies to come to this fucking town. Right?

[A]

Oh yeah, it's going be, it's going.

[C]

To be Silicon Valley in 30 years.

[B]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[A]

And a bunch of companies that, that do software as a service, but they exist to serve like one larger company and they just keep, keep going at it in hopes that one day they'll get acquired. And they always do get acquired. It always works out for them. I used to live in Austin for like nine years. The first place I worked, there was a. A dog adoption place. And I say. I always say that I was selling used dogs. I would just show up outside the. The Petsmart or a grocery store and I'd have, like, a van filled with these dogs. It was a shitty, shitty organization that the guy just. One day he left, and I think he moved to Mexico in the middle of the night. And so he just abandoned this entire thing. And there were probably 200 dogs there that we had to figure out what to do with these dogs after this guy left. But I'm thinking the old site for that, the kennels, all that stuff, we had a small medical area for the vet that feels like a perfect compound for Elon's potential child farm. And it's not too far away from the Tesla factory there. So I'm going to look into that because he might have just taken over my old kennels and I was just nutting it.

[B]

That could be true. It's, you know, you know, Screaming Jay Hawkins, who I love, like, genuinely, like, one of the best early rock and roll musicians. There's a website, when I was younger, it was actually one of the first websites I ever heard about, called Jay's Kids, where if you're one of the kids that he had on tour with, like, a groupie who he never talked to again because he just, you know, left town that night, you could sign up and go to the family reunion. He had something like 40 kids.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And I think that Musk is going to beat his record. I mean, the only people. So, like, I think the guys with the most kids I actually know. Oh, my God. I know a guy with, like, 55 kids. I know a dude who was a illegal sperm donor for lesbians in the 90s, and he has 56 kids because of it, because you can only donate a certain amount of times. And I think at that point it was kind of tricky if you were like a lesbo to, like, you know, because they were like, we don't. There's too many moms or whatever. It was like, you know, like legislation or whatever. Like you couldn't adopt. And so he would. Or not adopt. Excuse me. Like, there was like. It was harder for lesbians to get babies back then. I don't know. That's what he told me. And so he basically, like, donated his sperm to, like, 55, 56, maybe more. And he's got something like 55 kids out there.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And he taught. He's, like, friends with a lot of them. And he found out he went on a podcast and talked about it, and one of our listeners realized that he was his dad during that episode and got in touch with him.

[A]

Oh, that's kind of what's. Yeah, so there are rules where it's like, sir, you've donated enough sperm, you can't donate anymore. Or he was just servicing a clientele that could not. That was being denied access to the sperm.

[B]

And he, you know, he's not a weird. I mean, he's a weird guy, but he's not weird in that way. He was just like, yeah, I don't know, something to do.

[A]

What do you think the all time record is? Do we have like a modern era?

[B]

Like Genghis Khan, obviously? Yeah, right.

[A]

We got bagpipes going.

[D]

We're missing the bagpipe show.

[A]

Yeah, there's a bagpipe show out there.

[D]

The first I heard of it was the email we got five minutes ago, but it said, the bagpipe show's fixing to start.

[A]

Okay, we got a bagpipe show here, Brace, if, if you're interested in that. Actually, Brace, I. I did have another Epstein related question with you because you're somebody that's. That studied this before Epstein killed himself. And when Epstar allegedly killed himself before Epstein's death, I feel like this was not. It wasn't. His story was not nationally discussed like it is now. It wasn't an essential issue. And upon his death, it became more so a conservative issue to talk about Jeffrey Epstein. I feel like before his death it was. I heard more people on the left talking about Jeffrey Epstein than after.

[B]

After.

[A]

What do you think?

[B]

Do.

[A]

Do you agree with that assessment that now more conservative people are talking about it? And if so, like, do. Do you know why that happened?

[B]

I think it's. It's. I think that's generally correct. I think it became like a very partisan thing because of Bill Clinton's involvement. And the Democrats refused to sort of like push Bill Clinton out of there. And also the thing is, like, a lot of this kind of came out in like 2016. Not came out, but like, it started getting a lot of attention in 2016 as well. And Hillary Clinton was running for president. And so it's like Chelsea Clinton went on a yacht trip. There's a famous picture of Ghislaine Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, but she also went on a yacht trip with Ghislaine Maxwell. Like, these people were really close. And the thing is, Trump, who. I don't think even if you like Trump, you're like, that guy's done some Nasty shit to women, no doubt. Right? Or even. Yeah, even if, like, you're a voter of him. I mean, come on, look at the guy. Or just the. He's in the modeling. And so, you know, that industry is disgusting. But Trump was smart enough to break it off with him probably on divergent strategies of rape in the early 2000s. And. And. And so, you know, say, like, that guy.

[C]

He likes him young.

[B]

Yes, exactly. And, dude, Eric, can you imagine if there was, like, a video of you and Jeffrey Epstein? Like, the one of Trump. Jeffrey Epstein. How do you even defend that? You're like. Oh, yeah, we were just. We were talking about, like, golf or something. No, like, you're, like, joking around with him while there's a bunch of chicks walking by.

[C]

This is the thing where I feel like they redacted a lot of. And they're gonna redact a lot of. Because, like. Yeah, you said we did. We don't know what he did. Right. But he was a part of. I think a lot of his cover was, like, charity work, like, philanthropy stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And so that is tough because it's like, what if, under the guise of that, he used his influence and his power, whatever the case may be. So, I mean, I'm pretty sure that there were probably people that didn't have nefarious intentions that. I mean, there had to be. I mean, or maybe there wasn't. But, like, I would. I would think that not everybody he shook hands with is a pedophile. You know what I mean? Like, it's. That. That would be tough.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And so anybody he's ever associated with then becomes guilty. That's. That's tough, dog. I don't. This is why.

[B]

I know. But the thing is, like, we. We. I don't like most of who's been associated with. So I'm like, the Stephen Hawking thing is crazy because. So Stephen Hawking. Oh, that's friend of the show. So I don't. And a sponsor, he went to the island, and there's a picture of him in a submarine that they had specially outfitted to get his little freaky. No, I'm not gonna say what it was, but to get his. His little chair on there. And so the only time that Stephen Hawking's ever been able to go on a submarine, probably the dream of a guy like that is because of Jeffrey Epstein's largesse. But. Yeah, no, I agree with that. Like, it's. It's. It. It kind of. Epstein becomes like, a convenient way to, like, settle political scores. And so I Think that, like, whatever stuff gets released will be, like, redacted to serve Trump, right? Like, to, like, be like, oh, he was friends with this Democrat. This Democrat. He friend with this Democrat. But, like, he was bipartisan dude, Steve Bannon, who I love, but I love him because I really like kind of, oh, fish fat guys. I don't like his politics. I love. I love everybody. I love everybody, but I love Bannon because I love an oath. And. And he is. His politics I'm not familiar with, but I enjoy looking at him. And. But he was hired by Jeffrey Epstein in 2019 to do media training for Epstein team and took like, 20 hours of interviews. And then when it came out that this happened, he hastily, like, reassembled like, two minutes of interviews into, like, an anti Democrat, like, like, hard interview that he was doing against Epstein and released a trailer for a documentary that, like, four years later has never come out. But, like, one of Trump's, like, architects of his victory was Jeffrey Epstein's, like, last known employee. And that just makes. No, there's, like, just nothing about this on the right. You know, you. You can have, like, that's why I'm saying it's like you can have free Galane and you can have Jeffrey Epstein's employee and one of his friends, like, be the people who are in charge of these disclosures. And it's like, okay, well, that's like the, The. The foxes are in charge of the hen house. You know, it's ridiculous.

[A]

Yeah. It seems like it's the man. If he was doing what we think that he was doing, which is getting blackmail on the most powerful people in the world, he probably amassed just as much on either side of the political aisle. I think that Bill Clinton is. That's. I think you're right with that. Like, Clinton is the big, splashy name on there, but. But also probably, like, he's got contacts. Like, he was friends with Donald Trump. Although that one interview that you're saying here, that was. It was funny because it was Trump, like, firing a warning shot via the news media saying, it's been said that Jeffrey Epstein likes them young, and it's no secret. He certainly does. And. But he's saying it with, like, a smile on his face. But just knowing that Epstein will listen to that, he's like, oh, Donald's ready to explode on me any second.

[C]

And that's. And that. And to me, that's the thing, because it's like, you'll hear a lot of, like, the QAnon. The whole Q is like, Trump's gonna expose the under ring pedophile. Right? But it's like, yo, you a piece of. If you do know and you ain't saying. You know what I mean? Like, if you, if you know and you ain't saying, like you're a piece of. Yeah, like you're guilty, you're, you're implicit. And so it's like, I don't, I don't know, man. I don't think anything's gonna come of this at all, actually.

[A]

I think one guy that, yeah, Brace. I'm gonna predict that this is another guy that you absolutely love. Because I, I, I, I, I would understand why. I love those guys.

[C]

I love it.

[A]

I love centrally implicated.

[C]

I love him because you're keeping me on it.

[A]

He was Bill Clinton's, I think, personal attorney, and I believe he was also an attorney or he's acted in support of Donald Trump. Alan Dershowitz.

[B]

Love the guy. Yeah, we can call him right now.

[A]

This is one guy that I don't know. Why does he still keep getting paid to go on the news to talk about stuff? I don't get it. Well, Alan Dershowitz, he was also, Wasn't he, Epstein's attorney?

[B]

He was Epstein's attorney. Correct. He negotiated the plea deal with Alex acosta in the 2000, 2008 case where a lot of these documents came out.

[C]

Let's set up an interview with him.

[D]

My, my biggest question, Brace. So you have his phone number, but he didn't seem to, like, know who you were.

[B]

Yeah, I've called him like five or six times.

[D]

But, but, so how did, how did you come in contact with him the first time?

[B]

I don't remember. I have, like, a lot of dude. I have all the British cabinets phone numbers. I have everybody's phone number. I just call people sometimes and see what they got to say. I don't, I think someone just gave me his number. I mean, he's like, you know, he obviously, he picks up first ring. There was a while I was calling George Santos like every day, but Tory blocked.

[A]

Oh, he gives everybody his phone.

[D]

He'll answer.

[B]

Yeah, he just like, But I'm saying, like, like, I'll just call, like if I'm giving, like a person's phone number, like, not like everybody, but like a guy like that who's gonna pick up first ring and just start talking, you know.

[C]

That's hilarious.

[A]

So, so Alan Dershowitz, it's interesting because he can say that, you know, the, the lawsuit against him was withdrawn by. That was Virginia. What Was her last name Jeffrey? Jeffrey, yes. But he also, if he was Epstein's attorney that negotiated the plea deal, you would think he would have had some insight into what was going on with Jeffrey Epstein and why he was able to get that plea deal.

[B]

You.

[C]

Big news.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah. The other. Other case. I want to talk to you about, Brace, because when we hear Epstein, I feel there's a lot of people like looking back at the past and being like this, this is what used to happen. This is how bad this was. I can't believe we allowed this to go on. This type of stuff probably still goes on to this day. If you think that people aren't courting famous powerful people, rich people, celebrities, what have you to do something illegal for blackmail information for later. It's. It's still going on. So there is like a modern day version of Epstein, whatever version that might be. Do you think that that might have been Diddy?

[B]

Man, listen, I saw nothing at those parties that I haven't seen in a thousand other parties. No, I do. Yeah, Diddy was. I mean, listen, I think that. I don't know if he was blackmailing people necessarily in the sense that Epstein was, but he was definitely like using. I mean, have you seen that picture of Cuba Gooding Jr. I mean like that one. I was like, damn, these guys were up to something so crazy. I think it was like both operating like, you know, in like a almost like organized criminal way and also in an Epstein way like that. Like that seems to be like sort of Diddy's M.O. i mean the. That like has been rumored about that guy for so long and how he's been able to sort of skate by it for so long has been extraordinary, shocking.

[A]

I think he killed Biggie.

[B]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

[A]

Yeah. Aaron, we're just talking about Diddy. Your thoughts?

[C]

Did he kill Biggie?

[A]

No, I'm just on the Diddy parties.

[C]

Yeah. That's wild, man. I can't even. I ain't never seen nothing like it.

[A]

So can't speak on it because he might be.

[B]

Never been to any other party like the one we went to.

[C]

Who are we? Brace?

[B]

When you and I went to the white party seven years ago.

[C]

Brace, I don't know you outside of this screen right here.

[B]

I didn't know myself that night. I mean it was crazy. It was frankly crazy. It was frankly crazy. I think there's a lot of people who probably did some pretty embarrassing up stuff with Diddy who like don't really want that to be like out there. I mean the Meek Mill he got. I feel bad for the guy. I mean he really got torn the up over that. Yeah. And so I can imagine that a lot of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no pun intended. Actually. No, I do intend to put.

[A]

Meek Mill vehemently denies these allegations. In his post on X the Everything app, he says.

[B]

Well, he also says how much he loves.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

That. Yeah, he said he said he would. He would. He would run a red light for somebody.

[A]

Multiple red lights. Yeah. So think twice. Maybe. Maybe watch your mouth around Meek Mill.

[B]

I'm not saying Meek Mill did it. I'm just saying Meek Mill was named in a lawsuit and people not did it was. It had done to him. But I'm saying that Meek Mill, instead of sort of being viewed as a victim, everyone's like, ah, you're gay. And so I think there's probably a lot of people who don't want to be like. Who maybe were up like victimized by Diddy. Yeah. Who don't want to come out and say it because like that, you know, people. You know, people don't really have like. No one had like pity for Meek Mill after that. It was just like you were gay with Puff Daddy. Right.

[A]

Right. There was. We. We lost. When you have like a underage children, like in the Epstein thing, there's a lot of empathy. When you're Meek Mill and you're getting torn up, it's like, what did you do to stop this? Meek.

[C]

Yeah, there's also implications of Justin Bieber, dude.

[B]

Yeah. And like something. Something happened to him too. Yeah.

[C]

He on some right now for sure.

[B]

Yeah. I remember when he and his girlfriend or his wife, excuse me, had like simultaneous like brain like injuries a few years ago. I'd forgotten 2021. Like they both had like weird mini strokes at the same time.

[A]

That feels like they took the same like incredibly powerful drug.

[B]

Yeah. Or there was a rumor. The rumor that I had heard is they were doing this weird like brain shock stuff connected through their church in LA and like kind of experimental like therapies that they were doing.

[A]

Have you ever gotten audited at the Church of Scientology bracelet?

[B]

I did it in the Powell Street BART station. Not audited. They just did the shocking.

[C]

How many sequence did they find?

[B]

Not enough. No. But my friend's old roommate started kind of like going just to like he was walking by. He's like, you know, he knows like Scientology is a cult. Whatever. He's like, was like, I'll just go check this thing out. You know, it's weird. And they started like, they started. He like got into it and like eventually had the people had to sit him down. But you can't get go to this anymore. I can't. Like, apparently the Celeb center in la, they used to have a really good brunch there and they would like let normal people in and you could eat there and like you'd see like maybe a Scientology Connected celebrity. But there is a crazy scene of Scientologists. Like, if you move to la, this is why so many people become it. Because like a lot of the people who work on commercials, like, not necessarily in front of the camera, but like the crews and production companies are Scientology run. So you can like get jobs that you wouldn't otherwise, like, be able to get if you just start going to the church.

[A]

I could see that. Just like, it's good for business.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Thankfully, I was born into another showbiz religion and so I didn't even have to. With Scientology.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As you call it, the showbiz religion.

[A]

Well, that's the thing. Like everyone that's born into it's only converts.

[B]

Right.

[A]

To Scientology. Can you be born into Scientology?

[B]

No, you can't child.

[A]

Your birthright. Scientologist. I did not know that. But what a home run for the church to get.

[B]

Tom, you should see their version of the Bris.

[A]

Oh, no, I don't know if I want to see that. Yeah, I don't want to see it, but yeah, whoever signed up, Tom Cruise, like, talk about hitting it out of the park with a convert.

[B]

Oh, incredible con.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What a great site. Actors about to my dog.

[A]

I agree, I agree. I have one more thing to ask you because we were talking about this before you joined the. The show. Aaron and I were. We're discussing our past as. As rascals, when we were in middle school, high school. And the links you would go to, one, to, to find drugs. Two, to figure out a way to smoke those drugs. Whether it was like buying stuff from the store and taping things together, getting aluminum foil. Oh, what was your go to method as. As a youth, a troubled youth. If you were looking to like, what's the weirdest thing you've ever smoked out of?

[B]

Oh, well, the first thing I ever. The first drug I ever did was I smoked salvia out on Apple, which didn't work. It was crazy. But. But the nastiest thing. I don't even know. She said. I mean, I, I listen later in my life, in my youth, I. I was addicted to drugs. Needle drugs, you might say. And I shot up a Gatorade, which by the way, we don't with Gatorade. We. With. What's the. You guys out there.

[A]

Body armor. Body armor.

[B]

Body armor. I would never shoot up with body armor because that is too good for you. And that would be too healthy to do. That'd be like taking. That'd be like taking TRT or something. Yeah, like, I couldn't Grow full of. Of body armor. I mean, it's. Come on, you know, you're not. They're not letting you in the Olympics after that. Yeah. But the nastiest thing I ever did was definitely through a cigarette butt I found on the ground as a filter. I have. I made crack once, and it was so bad. The crack that I made was so bad that it not only gave a guy I was smoking with an ulcer, it popped the ulcer all at once. Yes.

[A]

So it grew an ulcer and immediately exploded.

[B]

Yes. I mutated a guy.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

It's the only time I ever made crack. And let me tell you, people give crack. Listen, I wasn't a crackhead. I mean, I kind of acted like a crackhead, but I was. I didn't. I only. I've only smoked. I smoked crack recreation, and it wasn't a lifestyle for me. But once you smoke it, you're like, I understand the crackhead, and. But you don't really give.

[C]

I've always thought that, though. But. Yeah, they've said it before, but, like, the. For somebody to throw their entire life away to smoke this, it has to be amazing.

[B]

The feeling, it's incredible.

[C]

I can only imagine. Because I. I don't want to be a crackhead, so I'm not gonna smoke crack. That's a wild thing to say out loud.

[B]

But, like, never say never. But. Yeah.

[A]

No, you're just a crackhead that doesn't use crack. I think we all are. It's all. It's inside all of us.

[C]

Everybody has it in them.

[B]

Once I'm in hospice. Once I'm in hospice care.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I'm like, forget the fentanyl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Forget that. Forget the whatever. The morphine. Give me a little bit of crap.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If I'm still here at 95. If I'm still here at 95, I'm going out like that. Maybe not crack, but maybe like heroin or I'll do heroin and like a bunch of hits of acid and just go out on top of the world, you know?

[B]

A guy I knew once bought cat that he was told was heroin.

[C]

That's wild.

[B]

Just cat in a bag. But I. Yeah, I. I used to. Well, we used to. The. The big thing I used to do, we would steal liquor, but we would also sometimes get wine, and we'd mix wine with Coca Cola. We call it sangria. But that was kind of nice to do. That's actually a pretty good mixture.

[A]

It's not bad. They do drink that in Spain.

[B]

But, dude, Once I was in rehab and I saw a guy smoke melatonin.

[A]

Does that you up?

[B]

That's exactly what I asked him and he said yes, but I think it was psychosomatic. Yeah, I also saw a guy smoke the anti psychotic drug Seroquel and I.

[A]

Was like, you just gotta smoke something at that point.

[B]

I gotta smoke something. And this was like at the peak of my like drug using. And even I was like, nah man, this is too weird.

[A]

You can smoke, you can smoke. What is it, Nutmeg? Yeah, nutmeg.

[B]

And that'll, that's, that was a classic thing, I think. I don't know what nutmeg is though.

[A]

Spice.

[B]

I know, but like. Yeah, but what does it do to you?

[A]

I think it's a hallucinogen. I think it like, it really trips you out. It's like psychoactive if you smoke it.

[B]

You guys have smoked dmt?

[A]

Never. I don't think I want to. I don't think I want. Everything I hear about it. There's nothing attractive about DMT to me. The DMT experience has been explained to me that you smoke it, you feel like you go on a journey for an hour, which takes about half a second in real life time. So if you've ever seen that movie Contact with Jody Foster Brace. Have you seen that?

[B]

I have.

[A]

Okay, so at the end when she comes back and she's testifying for Congress and she's like.

[C]

And run that one back too. That, that they need to remake that.

[A]

That's a good one. They're like, they're like, well, your, your video camera, all it came back with in this alleged exploration of the galaxy that you saw, only thing we saw was static. And then they were like, but wait, there were 14 hours of static. 18 when she just dropped through it. Instantly. Yeah. So I've been told. Dmt, you feel like you're going a long journey, you come back and it's the, the molecule that gets released when you die. I personally feel like it's important to have. That sounds like an important molecule to keep in your brain and to not release prematurely.

[C]

See, I look at it, I want to be surprised as an atheist, right. I don't think, like, I have no recollection recollection of anything that has happened prior to 1986. Right? Nothing, nothing. I just, all life up to that point has nothing to do with me, Right. For some reason, like if I was to think there was something after this, the. There's a very small part of me that thinks it would be something like that. Because what is the one thing about the universe that we know is, like, that time is relative, right? And so for a drug to have you experience that in a very real way, like, what, it lasts like 15 minutes. And I've heard people say, yo, I felt like I was in there for a lifetime. Like, I felt like I lived a life in there. That is very emblematic of what space is like. The. The natural origins of our universe is very emblematic of that. And so if I was to think something was going to happen after, after this and my body's decomposing, it would be something like that. I don't. Of course, I don't know. But that, that's why I do want to experience it. I wanna. I wanna see. Because people have had changed personalities after they do that, and that could be. It could be chemical. So I could be.

[B]

Well, it's like, it's like when people talk about. But like, when people talk about ayahuasca and they're like, yeah, you vomit for three days, like, you're shaking all these things. I'm like, or not. I wash. What's the other one? The.

[C]

Yeah, that's the one. Ayahuasca. Okay, well, I'm like, in the wilderness of South America.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to do that. Like, man, I want to, like, not. I want to, like, go to lunch. I got to do, you know, like, I want to, you know, I want to eat chilaquiles. Like, I don't want to. I don't want to smoke ayahuasca and, and dmt. It's for me. I'm also like, if it's a chemical that gets released when I die, I'm like, that's crazy, man. I mean, of course I would do it in a heartbeat. If Joe Rogan returns my calls and says, you can. Come on, you'll be the manager of the comedy mothership. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna grease you up and run you around like a. Like a pig and chase you and all that stuff I'd smuggle with Joe, I'd throw away all my sobriety for Joe. But I. I'm afraid to do it because everyone's like, oh, yeah, you see the machine elves. I'm like, I don't want to see any of that. You know what?

[A]

Leave something for. For your death. I feel like I'm gonna want it then.

[B]

Exactly. Because at least like now, when I, When I, you know, eventually when I'm like, in charge of Everything. And you know, one of my haters finally takes an assassination attempt of me that works and I'm like dying. I can at least be like, oh cool, I get to do DMT now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But like, if I already smoke it, then I'm like, well, I already did my death, you know.

[A]

I hear you. I agree, I agree with that statement.

[B]

Heaven's crazy heavens barstool. The barstool needs to release a religious vertical that I can head because I'm telling you, Aaron, I also don't believe in God, but I've been reading the Bible for the first time. We gotta go to heaven, dude.

[C]

Bro, you want to. Do, you want to do a Bible series with me?

[B]

I would love to. It sounds crazy. Crazy. It's. I'm like, these guys were doing angels. I thought when people said that they were just talking about every woman. And now I realize they're talking about like, God has God. God has shooters that like do his, which is great. And Jesus. And this is the other thing about Jesus. Jesus obviously very controversial because he kind of. My people once had a covenant with God. Apparently involved circumcision and all these other things. Jesus comes down and he's like, we're making a new covenant. And we're like, no, no, no, no, no take backs and we nail his ass up. No disrespect. First of all, we did obviously didn't do that. It's manual labor. So like, first of all, we're innocent. We didn't do that. And second of all, if we hadn't done that, then when they're kind of not. That's like the main thing that he did, right? I mean, he died. He came back to, to life. So why are people mad at us for doing that? Because we hooked it up. We did. Like in sports terms, oftentimes in basketball, which I play, there's one guy kind of puts the ball towards the net and then another even better athlete comes up and puts it in all the way. And so we're doing like a lay.

[C]

It's called, it's called an alley oop. Excuse me, Basketball, which I play, which I play.

[B]

We're doing an alley. And you know, it's a, it's a, it's a nasty alley. Oop. I'm not proud of what happened. What allegedly they say we did. I'm not saying it did happen.

[C]

It was behind the back.

[B]

It was a little bit behind the back what we did, but probably someone else did it. We were just there. We, we're like, yeah, we're in concert with God, who we've known first and we've been really close with the entire time. We're like ali oop. And God comes in and oops it. And. But everyone's mad at us.

[D]

It's an interesting point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Big T, what happened? You're a Christian, a God fear. And I see you at church on Sundays. Never see the bank, but I see you at church. What? What? How do they. How do they. What do they. Why is this? Are people mad about this? It's good that he got crucified. No.

[D]

Yes. It's good for you in a way. Yeah, it is good for me. Yes. It probably.

[B]

People were like, let's go ahead.

[D]

No, I mean, it wasn't great at the time for Jesus.

[B]

Yeah. But he. He's like.

[C]

He had to know it was coming, you know?

[D]

Yeah, he was like, I was part of the whole thing.

[A]

Yeah, he's like about to get that dmt.

[B]

But yeah, he got DMT twice. Yeah, that's true. Did he get a double dose? What I don't understand is I'm like, okay, yeah, like, we, we did that and he suffered. He died for our sins. First of all, unmarried, so didn't suffer that much. And second of all, because his wife would have been Jewish and boy, that would have been. But second of all, what if, like, okay, so what if I died a way crazier way? Like the for instance, the rack. What if they kill me on the rack in like 1500? Aren't I kind of be like that? Jesus wasn't even that bad. Like, this is way worse. And so like, do you get to go. Is there like a players club in heaven where, like, if you got. If you died in a up way too, you get to hang with Jesus.

[C]

Is there a vip Whoever suffered more gets better status?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Game recognized.

[C]

Game.

[A]

Welcome to the club.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Vip. Get behind the ropes.

[B]

I can't wait to go to heaven. I do want to wait to be clear. But I it when I get there. And I'm gonna be. Because they're gonna make me. They're gonna make me young again, but I'm just like, it's gonna be incredible forever. I'm in paradise.

[A]

Can they make you, like, do you get to do cool bad when you're up there? Because some of the most fun stuff to do is. Is bad.

[C]

That's why. Yeah, that's why I'd be out.

[A]

But if you. If you like that and you accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and savior and you still got to heaven, Would you be allowed to do all the things on earth that were considered sins?

[D]

Like what?

[A]

Wow. Everything's.

[D]

There's no sin.

[A]

Everything's a sin, though.

[D]

No, that's not true.

[A]

So what do you.

[C]

All the fun. All the fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not if you win, Brace.

[B]

Yeah. Because then you're. Because you're. You're making things bountiful. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. If you lose, then it, it makes you do things that you don't want to do, like steal or DM college athletes on Twitter and be like, hey, you piece of. Why'd you miss that layup at the end of the game? But if you win, it's all good.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess. I guess that's what I understand. It's like sports gambling is probably the number one most virtuous thing you can do on. On earth. Right.

[A]

I would agree.

[B]

But I have a feeling that Jesus. The regime in heaven would be like, no, in heaven. And so I get there and I'm like, okay, well, this is the main thing, the only thing that gives me joy. So I'm supposed to be just being heaven, Being like, oh, I loved your basketball game. You did a really good job. No money at the end of it. For me. It just seems ridiculous to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, because Christ would allow. Christ if he was. They had parlays back then and they were doing it during the crucifixion. Like, oh, I bet they get three. I think they get the nail in. And like three. Three hammers. Christ would have been like, you know what it's I for? First of all, I forgive you. First of all, I forgive you. But second of all, let me get 20 on that. Because it's something that everybody loves.

[A]

And also he gets. He gets the most shout outs after games, like if the team wins. Like, and that's true.

[B]

How could. What. How could me supporting a Christ fearing individual. Right. Monetarily.

[C]

Oh, man.

[B]

With risky parlays that I spent all of my money on. In fact, I'm addicted to it. I'm going broke and I've ruined my life, etc. Etc. Etc. I'm ruining my life for guys who like Christ and I'm not allowed to do this in heaven. Make it make sense.

[A]

And some of that money goes to the guys that love Jesus. Because the league has official sponsorships with the gambling companies. The more they make, the more ends up going, you're paying their salary by losing. By losing bets.

[D]

Should we try a strategy in the NCAA tournament of only betting on either Christian schools or players who we know have publicly professed their faith in Christ.

[A]

I think so. I think that's good, dude.

[B]

No big T. This is what we got to do. We have to create a Christian sports gambling fucking app, dude. This is how we make big. We have to make a Christ centric sports gambling app. And we could do other too. Like, we can add. Like, is there going to be a miracle this year? Like, like, whatever. Like, we could bet on how many abortions or whatever's going to happen. Like, but anything Christ centric, we could, we could just got to get in this app and we could make a million. These event market things, Cali, whatever are legal now. And I'm saying I like all that stuff, but it doesn't seem like it's God focused. It's God conscious. And to me, I am since reading, since getting like a third of the way in the Bible over the past two years, like, I'm becoming God conscience conscious. And I'm like, I need to put my money where my mouth is. I mean, I. You hear about this, guys. They make you give 10% of your money to the church.

[A]

Tithings, tithing, tithing.

[B]

They tax you. And I'm like, if they're going to tax, let us give something back.

[C]

Easy.

[B]

Taxes, taxes. I know, we're not rocking. We're not paying those anymore. Guys, don't worry. Trump is taking care of us. Trump is taking care of us. We're paying. We're getting bitcoin. We're getting. Which is God conscious. We're getting bitcoin. We're get. We're not paying taxes. He's defunding the irs. I got, so I got a little while ago, my FBI FOIA back. This is just one page of it. And they're like, we can't release any of it to you. And I was like, it. I thought it was because I was under active investigation still, which I think I technically still am, but it's not. I think I just under investigation, but it's just going to be open forever. I hit up this lawyer and he's like, don't worry about it. The FBI is completely in disarray since Trump took office. And so if there's anybody surveilling you, they've like been reassigned or like demoted for being woke. Like, it's. You're good.

[A]

That's awesome. That's. Congratulations, Brace.

[B]

I'm good. I can do whatever I want.

[A]

That's very cool. I like the draft. King of kings. How about that?

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Let's make it happen. That'd be big for inevitable pope race. Oh, yeah. Money on the post.

[B]

Oh, my God. Guys, we gotta get in on this.

[C]

Like, when's he gonna. Like, when's he gonna die?

[B]

Well, and then who would.

[A]

The next Pope.

[B]

Then who.

[A]

Who wins in general.

[C]

That's right, dude.

[B]

And we should. We could talk some of them up, too, to make sure they don't become Pope. Yeah.

[A]

Do they. Yeah. Insider. Insider trading. When they do the conclave, do they narrow it down? Can we bet on, like, who's going to make the final four?

[B]

There are favorites already. There are. I will say the Filipino guy. I am rooting for him.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Brace. I was saying on part of my take that I. I want a fat Pope. How awesome would that be?

[C]

I like them.

[B]

I would love a fat Pope.

[C]

I feel like the Pope should always be a little hefty.

[A]

I want no obese. Like, just the fattest guy that they can find.

[B]

Something that I like seeing is when a fat guy has rings on every finger. Yeah. You know, there's something soothing about that.

[A]

It's like he knows his own power.

[B]

Yeah, he knows his own power. I think. I think. And this is. This is a. This is also advice to any. Any, you know, hefty listeners out there. If you are fat and you don't want to lose weight, just get. Bedeck yourself in jewels, tools, and like, you will. It grants import and it grants, like, it grants a certain type of, like, I don't know what it is. It's scary. It's scary because if you. If I. If you're brought in front of a fat guy with a big ass chain and like, five gold rings on every finger, including thumb, you're like, oh, like, this is the dawn of dawn. This is Christ to me. And so, like, I agree, like, there's nobody who has access to jewelry like the Pope does. And so I'm saying Pope needs to be fat and bejeweled. But I do want the Filipino guy to win because I might meet him this summer.

[A]

Oh, yeah?

[B]

Where? In Rome? I might go to Rome for a political religious conference and hopefully meet the Filipino dude.

[A]

I love that, man. I'll tell you what, when you're hungry out there, you start acting like a.

[B]

Rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being.

[C]

All out of sorts. That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed. Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate. It's like the MVP of candy bars. And when you bite into it, boom. It sorts you out. Get your Head back in the game.

[A]

Of life, satisfying your hunger.

[D]

Remember this, Snickers handles your hunger so.

[A]

You can handle everything else.

[D]

Snickers satisfies, man.

[A]

That's a winning play. I love that for you, Brace. Also, one thing I'd like to see get into, which I'm personally very invested in, is the new Enhanced games that are coming out. Have you heard of those?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

The Enhanced Games I'm. I'm very into. Especially when you see who's running it.

[B]

Well, who was that fella? Who was that fellow who won all those. Those damn home runs? Barry Bonds.

[A]

He won a lot.

[B]

He won a lot of those home runs. And what city was he from? San Francisco.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

But yet he was not given some kind of award because he was rumored to be doing the same things that everyone else was doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That era is done. We are. We are moving. We are in the Enhanced Games right now. I thought so. I've always been like. Because I don't really. What do you call it? Exercise. But I was like, if I didn't exercise, but I took a lot of steroids, I feel like I would end up looking like Sam Hyde. But I do want to. And I, I really. What I want to do is I want to. I want to get a bunch of guys who got nothing to lose. I want to inject them with cocktails of my own device and supplied to me with chemicals that I buy on various Chinese websites like Temu or even Sheehan. And I want to put them in the. I want the Belden team to go in there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, I. I think Barstool should get. Should start like, pumping you guys full of things.

[A]

Yeah. We've got.

[B]

And get you in the game.

[A]

We've got a large stable of freaks, myself included. Like, we're not. Not very athletic. We've got unusual bodies. It would be an interesting little petri dish to see if we gave, like, world class steroids. I want clean stuff for all the fellas around here.

[B]

How many. How many actual ex pro athletes work at. At Barstool?

[A]

Well, let's see. Aryan does this podcast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ex professional athletes. Pat Bev, we just lost. Well, he's a current.

[D]

Lost a couple.

[A]

He's current professional athlete.

[B]

Pat Bev. What game did he play?

[A]

Play basketball.

[B]

I mean, sport he played. Oh, yeah. I ran into him on the court a couple of times.

[A]

He did play in Israel this. This last year.

[B]

And why would I be playing there? Why would I be playing?

[A]

I think you could play anywhere you actually. Level of Competition probably higher in Israel. There's a compliment.

[B]

It's probably higher.

[A]

Everybody balls over there. I think that might be it for former professional athletes.

[D]

Whitney Biz.

[A]

Oh, yeah, sorry. Biz and Wit. They played NHL hockey.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Biz. Actually, you should look into this brace. Our good friend Paul Bissonnette got attacked by a mob of Irish travelers in Arizona. So they were on like a little golf trip with the fellas. These guys are from Texas, but they're gypsies that live in the United States. There's a vast network of Irish travelers and they make their money going town to town doing like driveway repaving scams. So they talk to somebody that's got a weird driveway and they're like, hey, we'll repave this for you. Give us 50. And they got weird accents. It's like half Irish, half deep Texan. They get the 50 down, they leave town, they go to the next town. They get into fights everywhere. Every restaurant they go into, if they're drunk, they will start a fight with the wait staff, with the customer there. They just fight everywhere. So our friend Paul Bissnet saw this group of what he thought was just golfers coming in, and they go up to the. The hostess and the manager at this restaurant that that Biz was in and they start a fight and they start shoving the manager. Biz steps up. Biz played in the NHL for years as a goon. He didn't really score. He was a gooner.

[B]

He.

[A]

He went out there and he would, he would fight. Like that's what he did. So Biz was like, hey, leave these people alone. They're good hard working people. Which in his Canadian accent sounds so funny to hear. He's like, leave him alone. And then one of them punched Biz. And then Biz started fighting like six of these guys at the same time. Knocked a couple of them out, got taken out of the parking lot. They chased him, and then they all got arrested. But now I'm. I'm so interested in finding out more about this subculture that I was not even aware of until like four months ago.

[B]

But you should look, they have. They had a. They had a TV show called my, I think My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding that revolved around the lifestyles of a lot of these people. I love that once a group of these guys came into my friend's pizza place and they stole every single napkin.

[A]

That was their getaway.

[B]

No, they just. That's all they did. They. They didn't order any pizza. I think one of them like hemmed and hawed at the counter. But they just stole every single napkin from there from like the dispensers and then left.

[C]

Left.

[A]

You think they probably toilet paper on the road.

[B]

I probably just threw it on the street. I love these guys. I mean, it's incredible. I think it's cool when you find out that there's a new kind of even more insane white guy. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I thought. I thought we collected them all.

[B]

I know. I thought we had all of them. But like, I gotta tell you, Top. I've been thinking about this for a while. Barstool racial rankings of the craziest type of craziest white boys there are. And this is not necessarily a good thing. The boars got to be number one. The boars freak me the out. I don't the evilist accent and no disrespect any. I don't think there's any boars. Listen to this. Evil is accent. Scariest history and craziest present. After that, we're gonna have to go somewhere like Albania. And again, I like the Albanians. I'm afraid of the Albanians, which you I hope you respect if you're Albanian. Listen to this. I love the Albanians. And some say you aren't white. I say you maybe are because you own all the Italian restaurants in New York now. Albania is number two. And we got. Might have to have the Irish travelers as number three.

[A]

There might be three. There are some. Some actual Caucasians that I would put up there too.

[B]

Like who? Like Azerbaijan.

[A]

Azerbaijan. There's some crazy.

[B]

That's a Turk.

[A]

It's a Turk. Okay, you know better than I do. What about the. What about the Uzbeks?

[B]

I had dinner with an Uzbek friend last night. Great guy, by the way. Fantastic jeweler. Riddle me or not. I'll riddle you this. You know. So you 47th street here in New York City. Well, the diamond district, you know, where all the my people are. At the front you see Ashkenazis, but in the back making all the jewels, that is Uzbeki Jews doing that. But he said when he was a kid. We went to hot pot last night. He said he was a kid, he doesn't eat lamb. Because when he was a child in Canada, his parents took a lamb and like all the Uzbeki Jews did this. It was like they all did it. They killed the lamb and then smeared the blood on the. On the. The faces of the. Of the. The first sons of the family.

[A]

That was like a tradition.

[B]

Yeah, but I think they're technically Asian. But My boy looks Puerto Rican.

[A]

Okay, so I'd like to say instead of the Uzbeks, Chechens. What about them?

[B]

Chechens are the scariest white people ever exist. Yes.

[A]

They're terrifying.

[B]

I'm so scared of them.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I've never met them. And they fight on every side of every war, which I like now, or at least every war in that region. Like, they were in. On every. Literally every side of the Syrian civil war. They're on both sides of the civil. Of the, of the. Excuse me. The. The Russia, Ukraine war. They just love to fight.

[A]

It's in their blood. All right, well, Bryce, thank you for joining us. We appreciate. We love you.

[B]

We love. I love being. I love Barstool.

[A]

I learned some stuff today, Brace. Who do you love more? Barstool or Steve Bannon or Laura Loomer?

[B]

Oh, if bars. If Barstool was able to collab with Loomer and Bannon, I think that we would have a. We'd be. We'd be in different territory right now. I don't think there would be an MSNBC anymore. I think there'd be a Fox. I think it would just be Barstool. And. And another thing, you've told me off air that you think Barstool should replace all media.

[A]

Yeah, I do.

[B]

Including weather.

[A]

That's a fact.

[B]

And. And I fully agree.

[A]

And children shows Barstool.

[B]

Barstool is left wing. Barstool is right wing. Barstool is right in the center.

[A]

All right, thank you, Brace. I appreciate that. I will. I will talk to Swig. I actually don't have Swig's info. I think I met him.

[B]

Like, I don't either. He blocked me. And, you know, the only other people who blocked me are women. And I just want. I just want to be clear. Women associated with the, you know, the head of Doji, who, by the way, just got his phone number today, so you have a lot of fun with that.

[A]

Wait, who's.

[C]

You got.

[B]

I got Elon.

[A]

You got the muscle phone number, but.

[B]

Yeah, no, I have Elon Musk's phone number now.

[A]

All right, well, I, I. Please tell me what you do with that.

[B]

I want to be pregnant.

[D]

Okay, now, is it. Does he. The. The messages I saw from that Ashley Sinclair woman, they were on like a telegram or something?

[B]

Signal?

[A]

I think so.

[D]

So he uses that. He. He doesn't use imessage. Right?

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I. I think so. I mean, he probably. He probably does. Can you imagine having deleting messages on for your. She's not getting that she's, she's, she's. I think she, she played her cards wrong.

[A]

I think so too.

[B]

I, I know the baby's docs. I have the full docs of the baby. Not the full docs. I don't have the length. I partially do the baby and it's. I love the baby, but it's a partial docs and I gotta tell you, Elon, my brother, you gotta, you gotta watch it. Elon, I love you. I love your body. I don't like your politics, but I love looking at you. I think it's extraordinary the way you look because you look like sometimes in the 90s when they draw comic book characters and they had so, so many muscles in so crazy places that weren't even real. They have that for you but with organs. So you have like four kidneys and like you're like a gizzard or something. And Elon, I just want to see. I want to see. Elon, I want you to die of natural causes. I don't want you to die, but you will die. You will die. Everyone dies. I want you to experience a DMT blast that you will love, but I want to be there for the vivisection. I will do anything that it takes.

[A]

The funniest take I saw on the baby was that she put it out on Valentine's Day because she was pissed off that he was not hanging out with her on Valentine's Day.

[B]

It's 100% true. Yes, it's definitely what it was. And he. And because the ex wife, Siobhan Zillis, who does also mute Siobhan and block me. I just want to see. I just want to get in your life. I don't want to be in your life. There's a man's not in your life enough. I'm a man. I could be in your life. You know, I love technology related things, you know, the space coming, all these things that your husband, or not husband, whatever he is to you enjoys. I can fulfill that role. I can raise your beautiful children. Selden Lycurgus. His, the child's name is Selden Lycurgus. Man Lycurgus.

[A]

Like that's a type of acid, isn't it?

[B]

No, it's. It was a. It was, I think a Roman guy.

[A]

Oh, is The L&LSD, what does that stand for?

[B]

Lesbian.

[A]

Lesbian. Les Lucy. Yeah, I could call. I actually think that if you called Elon with an Arnold Schwarzenegger like 1996 soundboard, he'd be like, oh, this is so. This is so funny.

[B]

This is the funniest thing. Yes, I. I might try to. I. I've been thinking a lot about how to do. I don't know if it's illegal. I gotta look up if it's illegal to just say his number on our show. I think it might. It might be, but. But, but it's because it's a work number. It's his dog number or his doggy number. But, But I'm gonna. I'm gonna do something with it.

[A]

Think about.

[B]

I think I could trick him.

[A]

You could think about the downloads though, you get for that episode. The entire episode is just Elon Musk's phone number. And it's a five second long episode. Probably get millions of downloads.

[B]

I mean, one of our highest rated episodes was we pretended to do an interview with AOC and then just like didn't put any audio in. And that's like, got more downloads than almost any other episode. No, it was all interstitial audio.

[A]

How'd you do that?

[B]

Like, so people kept thinking that it would start and then people thought there was a glitch, but there was like a. Yeah, we got a lot of downloads on that.

[A]

It's good. Got a game, the system. Well, thank you, Brace. You're the man. Appreciate you joining and. Yeah, please tell us. Follow Brace online. Follow at True non Pod on X, the Everything app. It's all happening on X. Where else can they find you? Because I want. I want people, if they enjoy Brace on macro dosing. You should listen to him on his own program too.

[B]

Yeah. There we go. True, not true. And on Pod. That's it.

[A]

All right. We love you, Brace. Thank you for joining us.

[B]

Love you guys. See ya.

[A]

All right. That was Brace. I love Brace. You guys love Brace. Brace loves everyone. Great guy, radical, centrist. So that'll do it for today's episode of Macrodosing. Learned a lot today. Made some friends, some laughs, some tears. I hope to see you guys next Tuesday on Nano Dosing. Aaron will be in studio next week in the building.

[D]

And Champ week.

[A]

And Champ week. Big T. Big week. Let's go, Big T. What is Champ Week? Conference tournaments A and M beat Auburn. Is Tennessee better than Auburn?

[C]

Where.

[D]

Where did you get this from? I don't. I. I don't get it. I really don't get it.

[A]

I think I'm. I'm busting your balls. A and M. I actually I. I called that last night. Not to brag.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Felt like a good spot. Good let down spot for Auburn. All right, we'll see you guys next week. Love you guys.