Brace Belden Is Back To Talk Epstein Files | Feb 19, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing Podcast – February 19, 2026

Episode: Brace Belden Is Back To Talk Epstein Files

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Macrodosing, hosts PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Big T, and the rest of the crew welcome back Brace Belden, a noted authority on the Jeffrey Epstein case and half of the Truanon podcast. The episode tackles the recent massive dump of Epstein files, breaking down what’s real and what's speculation, the political fallout, internet conspiracies, and the unnerving depth of elite connections. Sprinkled throughout are lighter moments about current news, Olympic romance, college basketball, and banter about food and geography.

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Major Topics & Discussion Points

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1. Boneless Wings Controversy (02:48–06:46)

• Big T shares the latest legal drama: a federal judge rules boneless wings can actually be called "wings," sparking an extended food definition debate about what constitutes a wing, burger, or meat.
• PFT Commenter fiercely objects:

  "That judge is an idiot. It's not wings if it doesn't have, it's got a bones to be wings." (06:49)

• The group riffs on meat combinations (burger with bacon vs chicken/beef combos), highlighting how food naming conventions differ in the US and UK.

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2. Looming War with Iran? (06:47–14:39)

• Big T and PFT discuss rumors and online speculation about possible US/Israel strikes on Iran, referencing 4chan posts predicting strategic assassinations and military movements.
• PFT gives a technical rundown of US aircraft deployments, the role of tankers, AWACS, and what an operation might look like.
• The hosts debate the reliability of military pizza tracker signals and discuss CENTCOM’s military oversight.
• Big T brings up pre-revolution Iran nostalgia and the weaponization of “hot 1950s Iranian women” imagery in American media and propaganda.

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3. Olympic Romance & Athlete Gossip (15:03–21:34)

• Segues into relationship dramas in the 2026 Winter Olympics: a high-profile breakup between US and Canadian women’s hockey players facing off.
• Discussion of other Olympic romances, proposals, and public breakups, like the bronze-medalist skier’s televised confession to cheating.
• Broader observations on the interconnectedness of elite athletes and the unique intimacy—and drama—of niche sports like figure skating.
• E:

  "How can you not be romantic about hockey?" (16:48)

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4. Nationality in Sports & The Case of Eileen Gu (24:46–28:35)

• Explores the contentious issue of athlete nationality: should competitors only play for their birth country?
• Big T espouses a hardline stance:

  "You get to play for the country where you were born and that's that." (26:40)

• Focus on Eileen Gu, the US-born skier who competes for China, and broader abuses in global sports representation.

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5. Athletic Supernovas & Human Limits (35:38–39:15)

• Arian reflects on his own athletic prime and the fleeting nature of athletic dominance.
• Lively speculation about the ceiling of human performance—will we ever see someone run 100 meters in one second?
• Usain Bolt’s legacy, Joey Chestnut as “the goat” of eating, and the awe of being BEST in the world history at something.

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6. Epstein Files Deep-Dive with Brace Belden (41:44–129:50+)

a. What’s Real and What’s Fake? (41:44–46:46)

• Brace rolls in and immediately addresses confusion:

  "It has been sort of an extraordinary look into the various quadrants of American society…” (43:11)

• Confirms that the social media landscape is rife with both authentic file leaks and elaborate photoshops—sorting fact from fiction is overwhelming.

b. Political Theater and Congressional Posturing (45:03–54:01)

• The hosts break down Congress' clout-chasing response to the file dump, the Clinton testimony chess match, and how redacted police lineup names led to public finger-pointing.
• Brace:

  "It's a game of chicken that kind of everybody is playing right now." (48:46)

• They joke about a mutual, destructive Clinton-Trump scandal, poking fun at the absurdity of such political crossfire.

c. Trump’s DOJ & Butterfly Effects (54:01–57:45)

• The group traces the indirect consequences of the 2019 Epstein arrest back to Trump’s choice of labor secretary and the dominoes that fell due to that appointment.

d. The Bumbling of the Epstein Investigation (55:45–59:42)

• Brace details the institutional failures in both the initial plea deal and this latest file release, detailing career casualties like Tom Pritzker and Kathy Rummler.

e. Kathy Rummler, Bill Gates, and the Women’s Network (56:34–100:08)

• Brace outlines Rummler's “Uncle Jeffrey” relationship, the possibility of “devil’s threesomes,” and multiple elite connections.
• Discussion on Bill Gates' repeated association with Epstein, Melinda Gates’ divorce, and how Epstein functioned as a matchmaker/pimp for high-powered, socially awkward men.
• Explains the network of women around Epstein—some initially victims, some possibly co-conspirators (Nadia, Karina, Leslie Groff)—and legal hesitancy to prosecute them further.

f. The “Whoops” Phenomenon and Epstein’s Emails (86:33–93:15)

• They dissect Epstein’s strange, callous use of "whoops" in emails, sometimes after a death or traumatic event, sparking debate on whether it’s a calling card or just his sociopathic indifference.
• Brace:

  "Epstein is like, he emails like, he's such a weird email. Like, he emails like, you text." (86:59)

g. Smuggling, Lost Evidence, and File Gaps (104:02–106:55)

• Explains lost evidence: the mysterious contents of Epstein's townhouse safe, seized by lawyers before feds could grab it.
• Underscores: There is likely no true "smoking gun" in these files; most incriminating evidence was never retrieved.

h. Pizzagate, QAnon, Bannon & Internet Conspiracies (108:30–113:05)

• Brace recounts how Pizzagate, QAnon, and 4chan culture grew attached to the Epstein mythos, with both organic and manipulated origins.
• The bizarre real connection: Steve Bannon was advising Epstein and filming him for “hundreds of hours” as QAnon was peaking.

i. International Elite, Bannon, and Espionage (116:16–123:44)

• Brace teases his upcoming project on the Bannon-Epstein dynamic, Epstein’s global role in facilitating meetings between power brokers (Thiel, Bannon, Saudi royals, Gulf states), and how these shadow deals may have impacted global politics—even referencing Epstein’s early involvement in Bitcoin infrastructure.

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7. Zorro Ranch and Untouched Evidence (128:51–129:50+)

• Briefly, the group acknowledges the Zorro Ranch in New Mexico—a facet of the Epstein empire that remains woefully under-investigated and may have been his intended population genetics “lab.”
• Brace:

  "They never raided Zorro Ranch. ... Now the noobs are starting to find out about Zorro Ranch. You're a Day One ranch head." (128:54–129:02)

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Memorable Quotes & Banter

• Brace Belden:

  "What's the point of eating a baby? It's so small. It's like a chicken wing." (44:17)

• PFT Commenter:

  "It's not wings if it doesn't have... it's got to have bones to be wings." (06:49)

• Big T (on sporting nationality):

  "You play for the country where you're from." (27:03)

• Arian Foster (on athletic dominance):

  "I was the best running back in the world that year." (38:48)

• E (on Olympic romances):

  "How can you not be romantic about hockey?" (16:48)

• Brace (on Bannon and Epstein):

  "Bannon excites Epstein in a way that few other people do. He gets really excited talking to Bannon, and it's like almost flirtatious..." (121:40)

• Brace (on the “whoops” emails):

  "He uses whoops whenever anything bad happens to somebody else." (91:37)

• Brace (on social media and fake vs. real Epstein docs):

  "...the for you page is like 50, 50 photoshop’s and then other real stuff." (43:11)

• PFT Commenter:

  "There’s just so much shit to go through. ...there's 20 different things in these files that in a normal news year... would be the story of the year." (88:47)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:48–06:46: Boneless wings court decision & food semantics.
• 06:47–14:39: Online rumors about war with Iran, military analysis, propaganda.
• 15:03–21:34: Olympic romance gossip, figure skating relationships.
• 24:46–28:35: Nationality disputes in Olympic sports, Eileen Gu.
• 35:38–39:15: Athletic outliers and human limits.
• 41:44–46:46: Brace Belden on the confusion in the latest Epstein file leaks.
• 45:03–54:01: Congressional reaction to the files.
• 54:01–55:45: The DOJ, Alex Acosta, and Trump administration butterfly effects.
• 86:33–93:15: Analysis of Epstein's "whoops" email response.
• 104:02–106:55: Missing evidence from Epstein’s safe.
• 108:30–113:05: Pizzagate, QAnon, Bannon, and origins of internet conspiracies.
• 121:40–123:44: Bannon’s global ambitions and connections via Epstein.
• 128:51–129:50+: Zorro Ranch: what it was and why it still matters.

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Notable Moments

• The team’s collective dunking on food marketing and judicial logic regarding "boneless wings."
• The elaborate, satirical riffing on whether Clinton or Trump would try to out themselves as “taking the fall” for Epstein-adjacent crimes just to stick it to each other.
• The grim humor surrounding the repeated “whoops” emails by Epstein after deaths or calamities among his circle.
• Brace’s deep dive: Unpacking how the real action was not just the sex crimes but Epstein’s centrality in the shadowy, transactional world of global finance, politics, and science.

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Tone & Style

The tone is irreverent, darkly comedic, and at times gleefully conspiratorial—balanced by Brace's methodical research, skepticism, and focus on context. The crew is intellectual but never lets seriousness crowd out bits, asides, or food debates.

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For Your Next Listen

Brace Belden will return for a future Zorro Ranch deep-dive. For a more detailed breakdown, subscribe to Truanon and follow the Macrodosing crew.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[PFT Commenter]

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[Brace Belden]

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[Brace Belden]

He's like my wife and I went in to Jeffrey Epstein's house in 2005 pre conviction and he showed us this massage table and we said, this is, this is the disgusting man. We will never speak with, interact nor be around him ever again. Within one year. There are emails released. Jeffrey, my wife and our children would love to come to your little island.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big T]

Well, we have two massive stories today. We could start with either. Okay, so you have. We might be at war with Iran. If you want to start there, understand. There's another big story, though. A federal judge has ruled that boneless wings can be called wings. So which of those would you like to take first?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, this sounds like a bunch of bullshit. Boneless wings are not wings.

[Big T]

You don't agree with Judge John J.

[PFT Commenter]

Tharp Jr. John J. Tharp? No, I do not. I, I will defend to death his right to say it, but I, I disagree with what he says.

[Big T]

Yeah. In a, in a suit against Buffalo Wild Wings, a guy said that they can't call boneless wings wings. The judge has ruled. He claims he thought boneless wings were real chicken wings with the bones removed. He says Buffalo White Wings products should be called something different. Yeah, sorry, that wasn't the. A reasonable consumer would not think that Buffalo Wild Wings, boneless wings, were truly deboned chicken wings reconstituted into some sort of Franken Wing. That is what the judge concluded.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I, I, I disagree with the judge because I feel like a wing is a thing.

[Big T]

I do see that argument.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. Like, if, if you were to say that we sell a chicken burger, but it's just a, like a breast, a chicken breast. That wouldn't be a burger, would it?

[Big T]

I think that is what they call.

[PFT Commenter]

It in England, though, a chicken burger.

[Big T]

Any sandwich is a burger.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, that we're talking about in America.

[Big T]

I understand.

[PFT Commenter]

If you may, if you sold a chicken burger in the United States, it would, the reasonable, the reasonable thought would be that it would be like ground chicken that's formed into a patty.

[Big T]

Do you think a half chicken sandwich, half burger could go crazy. Oh, like a double cheeseburger. But one of the patties is a chicken sandwich.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Without mincing meat.

[Big T]

Would that work like a, like a.

[Aaron]

Beef patty and then a chicken.

[Big T]

Correct.

[Aaron]

Patty on top?

[Brace Belden]

Hell, yeah.

[Aaron]

That'll work.

[PFT Commenter]

I just, I don't know. There are certain meats that don't. It's tough to have a meal as condiment for another meat. Like bacon.

[Aaron]

Not.

[PFT Commenter]

You can put bacon on another meat and it gets along fine.

[Aaron]

So, so when you go to Hibachi, right, What is the main thing they do? They got the, the surf and turf, right? You can get this, the shrimp and steak. You can get the lobster and steak. You get the lobster, steak, and chicken. All that with fried rice.

[Big T]

I would argue this. The seafood is not traditional meat.

[Aaron]

Why would you argue that.

[Big T]

Because it's more of a. It's seafood.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a plus.

[Big T]

It's a different thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Meat. How are you.

[Aaron]

How are we defining meat?

[Big T]

I mean. Yes, by the technical definition, it is, but you can see what I'm saying. It's not like. It's not as close as beef and chicken.

[Aaron]

I feel like this is a fail.

[PFT Commenter]

Thing that I'm not. Yeah. In my opinion, it's like one. You got to have one that's leading the dance and one that's going along for it. So if you got a burger with bacon on it, the. The burger is leading.

[Big T]

Thousand percent.

[PFT Commenter]

And the bacon is following and complimenting.

[Aaron]

You want a side dish to your main dish?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. If you have. If you're doing surf and turf, the main dish is the steak, and then you've got the backup dancers, the shrimp. But they're all. They're part of the same production. If you're doing chicken and beef at the same time, that's like having two lead singers in a band.

[Big T]

So you think it couldn't work?

[PFT Commenter]

I think it would.

[Aaron]

It would.

[Big T]

If you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.

[PFT Commenter]

Right, Right. That's probably a better way to put it. There are some bands that have two lead singers, but it doesn't always work. You need somebody that's the lead singer and then somebody that's doing backup or overloaders.

[Aaron]

And it'll be an overload.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Like a big piece of chicken and then a big piece of steak next to each other. I think that's fine if you have them on different plates, but you can't have it. It's not the same meal. This town ain't big enough for the two of them.

[Aaron]

Interesting.

[Big T]

All right, so, yeah, Iran. We're at war.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, war with Iran. By the way, that judge. That judge is an idiot. It's not wings if it doesn't have. It's got a bones to be wings. So what is the Pentagon pizza tracker telling us? Big T, that's what.

[Big T]

I haven't checked it today, although that is. That has been proven to be. But we'll check it out.

[PFT Commenter]

I did look at some of the posts that you sent over regarding possible war with Iran. There's a lot of planes. We got a lot of birds in the air right now. We've got 22 tankers, 13 transport aircraft like the Hercules, and we've got an E3 AWACS, which is pretty standard. Like, we've. We've got AWACS on constant patrol in that part of the world. So I don't know if there's more AWACS that are traveling around right now, but we do have a lot of tankers and a lot of transport aircraft. The exact things that you would want and need to be mobile if you were planning a large scale operation and needed to do air to air refueling. So it does seem like that's, that's not an operation you would typically launch. Just like in terms of training because it's expensive.

[Big T]

Did you read those 4chan posts?

[PFT Commenter]

I did not read the 4chan posts.

[Big T]

So these I guess were from a few days ago from someone on 4chan. I posted yesterday with a 36 hour timeline. We're now in the 24 hour window. Look for a significant number of Iranian leadership to be exterminated. The leadership of Iran is made up of a secret council of 22 military and political leaders who meet regularly in a bunker in Tehran. One of their members is a Mossad agent. Needless to say, this group goes first. Israel knows after the last few years this is the time to end this shit show. And tactical nukes will take out most of Iran's missile infrastructure in the first strike. Tehran will go in the first wave with a false flag attack set up for Israel to kick things off. Venezuela was a test for what is happening. A large part of the Iranian military and leadership will be vaporized in the opening salvos.

[PFT Commenter]

So this person is saying that there is one member of the Revolutionary Guard or the High Council that is a Mossad agent, a turncoat.

[Big T]

That is what I said.

[PFT Commenter]

Giving themselves up and saying, hey, we're having the big meeting, the big secret meeting. We're all together. It's going to take place at this time, this location maybe.

[Big T]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

I've been watching a lot of the TV show Tehran recently. Have you even heard of that? Because I hadn't heard about, until maybe a month ago. But it's, it came out in like 2023 for the first time. It's still going. It's on Apple tv. I, I'm just, I'm hooked on it. And this sounds like this is, it's just a plot out of Tehran.

[Big T]

Once a year someone recommends you an Apple TV show and I've never heard of one being bad. Yes, everybody always loves the Apple TV stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a, it's a good show. If you like espionage, if you like political thrillers, there's a lot of subtitles. So it's almost like you're reading a book because I think the the show is in like three different languages. It's in Farsi, Hebrew and English maybe, maybe some more. But all this stuff is just like. It sounds like it's an episode of Tehran. And in this other post that you sent over, they're saying they're expecting 50 fighter jets in the next 24 hours. F35s, F22s and F16s. If you'd like, I can break down a little analysis of what each aircraft would be expected to do.

[Big T]

I think we have to.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so this to the moon, Big dog. All right, so these, these are strictly. Not strictly, but these are primarily air to air combat aircraft right here. The F35s, the F22s and the F minus 16s. I would imagine that the F35s would be the advanced scouts. We'd send them as close into enemy territory as we could. The goal of those F35s would be to identify any surface to air missiles or anti aircraft missile locations. It would then paint those with its radar, mark them on radar. Then we'd send up the F16s and the F22s behind that. The F16s would fire their anti radiation missiles at the targets that the F35s have already designated. Meanwhile the F22s are up in the sky providing air cover and shooting down any aircraft that even start to take off. That seems like that would be a winning strategy that pretty much couldn't fail. That's why you pay all that money for the F35 and the F22. But that would also just imply that we're taking out surface to air missiles and then we're going to like do an invasion of Iran. Is that, where's your. Is that what they're saying? Invade?

[Aaron]

Well, that's what I was going to say. Where's your pizza tracker account?

[Big T]

It did indicate last night that there was higher activity than usual at the dominoes near MacDill Air Force Base. Which is where CENTCOM is. Can you tell us about centcom?

[PFT Commenter]

PFT Syncom. Syncom is central command.

[Big T]

And that's different than the Pentagon.

[PFT Commenter]

It's different than. It's a central command.

[E]

That.

[Big T]

That's all. That's all you got?

[PFT Commenter]

That's all I got, yeah.

[Big T]

Look into centcom.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's one of those rooms that has a giant screen that's a map of the world that everyone stares at from their computers. And then you've got guys that stand up and point at it.

[Big T]

Is a unified Combatant Command headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida. It directs military operations in 20 plus nations across the Middle East, Central South Asia and surrounding waters.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big T]

Sounds like what would take care of this kind of deal.

[PFT Commenter]

Sounds like it. Yeah. So I don't know if I, I don't know what this all means. If we're just going to try to bomb the leadership like that random dude on the message board said. I don't know. We'll see. I don't think we're at war right now, but we could be by this time tomorrow. What do you think, Big T?

[Big T]

I don't know, man. What we have, we did take out like a high ranking Iranian dude once before.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he was like their rock star. He was like their national.

[Big T]

I can't imagine if we take out 20 of them, they'd be thrilled. But they have you seen, they're talking shit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's what they do.

[Big T]

Have you seen them today?

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't see him.

[Big T]

They're kind of like come and take it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's which.

[Big T]

Lord willing, everything is fine and there are no lives lost in, in whatever takes place. But that kind of, I mean that kind of makes you wonder. Gonna go get them.

[PFT Commenter]

They're kind of asking for it. I think what they have to do is they have, they're, they're, they're unpopular amongst the people that they rule. So they have to really lean into like. Yeah, I, I dare you. Try, I wish you would try something United States, because you are the great Satan and we will wipe you off the face of the earth. They have to lean into that rhetoric heavy in order to maintain the, the control and the power that they have. Because the second they start to look weak, then all people high up start to like turn on each other. It all kind of crumbles. Yeah, I, it's funny seeing people post pictures of like pre revolution Iran because it was like a very, very different country before the revolution. But all the pictures are just like, I can't believe how hot all these Iranian chicks were back in the 1950s. Like, look at this picture of this hot Iranian chick from 1954. That's really the, what they're leaning into, which is, I gotta be honest, it's great propaganda.

[Big T]

Like if you can't, you can't find it anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

If you want people, if you want American red blooded American males to, to take the side of your cause, your revolution or be like, look how hot these chicks were the 1950s.

[Big T]

That's soft power.

[PFT Commenter]

And they went to, they went to college, they were in sororities they were. Listen to same music you did. And they were hot. You're missing the fact they were hot. And now America's like, you know what? They really were hot. We should do something about that. We should do some. Get the F22s up there. What else we got? What else we got today, Big T?

[Big T]

We did Boneless Wings.

[PFT Commenter]

Heated rivalry.

[Big T]

Yeah. Mad at Meline. I know your favorite show. Are you familiar with the. The reverse heated rivalry that's going on in real life right now?

[E]

I've. I've seen whispers of it. It's like, X Hockey exes are playing each other in the gold medal game.

[Big T]

No. But not even X's. They broke up during the Olympics.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no.

[Big T]

They just broke up. Mackenzie this, like, yesterday.

[PFT Commenter]

And they're like, did they break up for the game?

[Big T]

Well, if you'll notice. If you'll take a look in your screen.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

There is parentheses that says, T is calling that this is fake for promo.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[E]

So it's. I can see that. An American woman and a Canadian woman.

[Big T]

That's correct.

[E]

Who were dating on the. On their respective hockey teams who broke up.

[Big T]

Reportedly, reportedly this post.

[E]

What are their names?

[PFT Commenter]

This post has been deleted.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's that. There was an Instagram live video of one of them. I'm not sure if it was the American or the Canadian saying, yeah, I'm single.

[E]

Do we know that? Can I have a name?

[Big T]

I'd be great.

[PFT Commenter]

If you could find them, I would. I would think this is a good strategy if you are dating somebody that's on the team, you're about to play, and you got. You have to break up for that game.

[Big T]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Dump her right before the game, maybe get back together afterwards.

[E]

I mean, Hillary Knight, I think, is an American woman, and she started seeing someone at the last Olympics, and they just got engaged yesterday. At this Olympics, this says US Defender Caroline Harvey and Team Canada forward Darrell Watts. That's who it is. Look, hockey is a. How can you not be romantic about hockey?

[PFT Commenter]

That's a great point.

[E]

That's what everyone always says. That's awesome, though. The Olympics. I know. You said the other day, the Olympics has no juice. There's been a lot of interesting romance subplots happening in these Olympic Games that I am having a lot of fun watching.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, go on.

[E]

The guy who got bronze and then declared that he cheated on his girlfriend.

[Big T]

Yeah. Weird post.

[E]

Post match.

[PFT Commenter]

That was weird.

[Big T]

And then she told him, like, I can't forgive you. Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, forget it off.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[E]

And she was like, why would he put Me in this position.

[Aaron]

Yeah, I missed this. I missed this. There's a dude who won, he got.

[E]

And then he got a bronze medal in, I believe, a certain skiing event. Yeah. And his post race interview, they were like, you know, how do you feel? And he basically used that time to say, I made the biggest mistake of my life last week. I cheated on my girlfriend. And I, I, I, I'm so sorry. I would do anything to get her back. And kept talking about it at his, like, press conference. And then the girlfriend, the, like, she basically made a statement. She was anonymous, but she made a statement being like, what you did is unforgivable. And you have now put me in this insane position where you have just thrown this dirty laundry out there for the world. So that happened.

[Aaron]

Wow.

[E]

Breezy Johnson, who is like the number one skier from the US she got engaged after one of her runs, like on the bottom of a run. Like I said, the two women got engaged yesterday. Who started, who are met or started dating at the last Olympics. This heated rivalry thing. Then there's, there's a lot. There's a lot there. Not two Olympians, but Chloe Kim and Miles Garrett have been a treat to watch. And he was wearing her face on a shirt. I think that's great. The, the Winter Olympics have been very, very romantic, I think. Logan Paul.

[Big T]

I notice you skipped one.

[E]

Oh, Jake Paul and Jake Paul. Well, yeah, them too. I, look, I don't like Jake Paul, but them too. They're part of this in terms of, I think Miles Garrett is a superior partner. But either way, Juta, she won gold. Jake Paul had a crying fit in the stands. Yeah, I think there's a lot, there's a lot of romance in the Games, I think, and that brings people together. And then Mikayla Shifrin, who's another American women skier.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[E]

She's engaged to a, I want to say Swedish or Norwegian, one of those countries. A skier in his own right as well. So I think it's just interesting how many, how like how many romances play out on the world stage like that.

[PFT Commenter]

I think if you, if you are a dominant athlete at a niche sport, you spend a lot of your time around other dominant athletes at their niche sports. Because your, your main events are usually at the same places. You probably train in the same climates, communities.

[E]

Oh, Madison Chalk and Evan Bates. They're ice skaters who are married. American ice skaters who are married. They were, they've been partners for 16 years. And for like the first 11 years, they were completely platonic. And then he like, admitted he was in love with her and now they're married.

[PFT Commenter]

What a moment that must have been. I got. I have to know how he.

[E]

Is that the one that the documentary is out? Yes. Yeah. And he said, like, watch it. He said, I. I think he, like, blurted out I love you after one of their performances. And he was like, well, I've done it now, haven't I? And then she was like, I don't know. And then she's like, wait a second. Maybe I do love you too. And now they're married.

[Big T]

Are. I don't want to put this on them if it's not correct. Are they the ones that stunk it up?

[E]

They got, they're the ones that got silver and France won and it was.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, they're in love, though, right? But they won the real, real gold medal.

[Big T]

They didn't stink it, but they messed up more than they were. Like, they were supposed to be unbeatable and they lost.

[E]

No, that's the quad God. I think you're referring to these people.

[Big T]

Is he a figure skater?

[E]

Yes. Yeah.

[Big T]

Oh, maybe. Is he American?

[E]

Yes.

[Big T]

Yeah. There was an American figure skater who was supposed to be unbeatable and stunned.

[E]

That's the quad God. That's Ilya Malin and Amber Glenn, who is a female women's figure skater from America. She also had a less than satisfactory performance yesterday. But Madison Chalk and Evan Bates, they got silver to a French team that also has icky, icky romantic pasts, possibly. And then they're married.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[E]

But I think a lot of those ice dancer, like, pairs are.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to go back. I want to go back to the, the duo that was together for 11 years professionally before the guy said anything about it. Because I would have to imagine that in that scenario, divulging your long held love for, for your partner is probably. You probably have a conversion rate of about like 1% on those types of stories, right?

[E]

Oh, I feel like it'd be higher.

[Brace Belden]

You think?

[E]

You don't think.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like there would be, it would be more of a progress. Like if you guys were attracted to each other, you would have at least dabbled at some point in the past, right?

[E]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's say two people are. They're young, elite athletes. They're both early 20s, and they're attracted to each other. They're working together eight hours a day, holding each other, throwing each other up in the air. At some point you're going to show interest in the other person.

[E]

Right. And also, I got the numbers wrong. It was not 11 years before he said anything was five.

[PFT Commenter]

That's still a long time. Still a long time to be. Maybe they were both dating somebody and then they both became single.

[E]

I think also when you're that elite of an athlete and you have like a partner of that nature for that, you're like, I'm not here to date you. I'm here to win a gold medal. Like. Yeah, you're not even. She was like, I wasn't even focused on him like that. Like, I was too busy skating with him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They're almost an obstacle.

[E]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, I have to figure out how to not let you cost me a gold medal.

[E]

Right. Because then. And I also learned that several of the pairs that were in the Olympics are like exes. Like, a lot of ex partners still skate together because they tried.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[E]

And it didn't work out. But then you're like, well, we skated together 12 years. Or, you know, whatever.

[PFT Commenter]

You're also the best. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[E]

And you know me, I know you, so. So we kind of have to just work through that as well.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[E]

I would think it'd be the worst setup. If that's your husband or wife and you're just watching them be intimately intertwined.

[Brace Belden]

With someone else, what would be the.

[PFT Commenter]

Worst sport for you to watch your significant other participate in?

[E]

That's up there.

[PFT Commenter]

Ice dancing? Figure skating.

[E]

Because there's not that many sports that are like. Like co. Ed partnership. Like that. Yeah, that's. That's got to be high up there. Or like dance in general.

[PFT Commenter]

Dance. Competitive dance.

[E]

Dancing with the Stars. Dancing with the Stars.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[E]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Do they do mixed volleyball?

[E]

I don't think they do. Now that I think. I don't know.

[Aaron]

I think they do. I don't know about.

[PFT Commenter]

In a winter, but definitely not a winner.

[E]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

But volleyball, because after. After every point in volleyball, it's like mandatory that you get together and everyone just hits each other's butt. Yeah. Okay. Good job. Here's your butt. Okay, cool. Next point.

[E]

I don't know if they do it like, I don't think they do professionally. Yeah, no. Yeah. It's just your, like coed, like beer, league, recreational. But they. In the Olympics, it is not combined sport. It's single gendered.

[PFT Commenter]

What's going on with this, this USA slash Chinese skier?

[E]

Oh, Eileen Gu.

[PFT Commenter]

Eileen Gu. I remember learning about her four years ago, and then I. I banished her to a part of my brain that I only accessed during the Winter Olympics. And so I'm trying to bring her back. If I remember, she's A traitor.

[E]

Yes, I believe. I believe that's what you would call her in this scenario. She was born and raised American. Chinese American, goes to Stanford, grew up, I believe, in. In California, a free skier. And I don't know, would it be abjected. And is. Is skiing for China.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the difference? Like abject.

[E]

Defected or defected. Yeah, maybe that's. Yeah. And is skiing for China instead of America, even though she was born and raised in America, goes to school in America, Her. I believe her parents are immigrants and. Yeah. Chooses to compete.

[PFT Commenter]

So she compete for the Chinese. She competed for the United States at the World cup in 2018, 2019.

[E]

Okay. She's also 22, like, now. So she's young.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[E]

So eight years ago she was 14, 15.

[Big T]

No disrespect to this young woman. And I. This is more soccer than anything else that I want this to happen in. But her specific. So she competed for the United States and is now with China. Banned. Done. You get one country and it has. And. And I would prefer it's the country you're born in. This. Because soccer is the worst about this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I mean, France. How many of the French soccer team are from France? Like three or four of them.

[PFT Commenter]

I would very much like it if Messi were to defect to the.

[Big T]

I mean, he lives here.

[PFT Commenter]

He lives here. He's as American as some of the other guys.

[Big T]

It should.

[E]

You.

[Big T]

You get to play for the country where you were born, and that's that.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think about now? Like, you had some sports like baseball in the Olympics. And God bless the Italians, they don't have a lot of, you know, native, homegrown Italians.

[Big T]

Then don't play baseball.

[PFT Commenter]

What about some of the guys that are in Major League Baseball? They're not Italian that might have an Italian grandfather.

[Big T]

No. You get to play where you were born.

[E]

What about Jake Malasek?

[Big T]

You get to play for the country you're from.

[PFT Commenter]

So what should happen to a guy like Jake Malasak?

[E]

Yeah, Jake Malik's trying to go to.

[Big T]

I'm aware what should happen to Jake. He's flying all over the world playing with a lacrosse team for a country that he only goes to to play lacrosse. And I love Jake, but we gotta. We. We. The answer to where do you draw the line? Is always somewhere, and I'm choosing to draw the line. And you get to play for the country where you're from.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that's a reasonable take, big.

[Big T]

T. Because now we get into these situations where. Oh, well, my mother's father Is Canadian. So, you know, whatever.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If you just want to be in the Olympics and you might not have.

[Big T]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Have the ability, but a lady like Eileen. Eileen goo. She clearly had the ability. She could have been on the US Team.

[Big T]

She was.

[PFT Commenter]

She wasn't here and she is. I. I'm getting a notification. She just won a silver medal. That's a shame. Yeah, that's a shame that she got the silver.

[E]

She. She got two silvers this Olympics and has become the most decorated free skier, women free skier in history. And I believe British reporter asked her, do you view this Olympics as two golds lost or two silvers won? And she was like, what the.

[PFT Commenter]

Dude, Great question.

[Big T]

That's a great question.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a fant.

[E]

She was like, I am the most decorated free skier in women's history, and you're going to ask me if I just lost two golds after I earned two silvers?

[Brace Belden]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

That's how you do the media.

[Big T]

Mick Cronin would shoot somebody if they asked him.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I.

[Aaron]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

That interview with MC Cronin was just all time college football brain or. Sorry, all time college basketball brain. That's what. That's a. Coach McKron is. Is feeling a lot of pressure. He ejected his own player last night from the game. His own player got a technical.

[Big T]

He's had a week.

[PFT Commenter]

Mick Cronin thought, that's. No, that's. That's deserving of flagger to get out. You're out. He ejected his own player all. Well, by the way, mind you, Johnny Fanta came on part of my take yesterday. We recorded this on Tuesday afternoon, and Johnny Fanta was like, we've got some college basketball coaches that are losing their minds. I was like, who are you talking about? He's like, mick Cronin at ucla. He said that before Mikron would then go on in the next eight hours to eject his own player from a game and then scream at a reporter for raising their voice at him when he was simply just asking him a question.

[Big T]

Well, that was the. He said the question was, what do you think about the Michigan State students section chanting something at one of the players? I think, yeah. And he goes, you think I give a damn about the student section? Congratulations. That's the dumbest question I've ever been asked. And then the reporter's like, oh, okay. Like, I thought it was a. You know, I just wanted. And then goes, did you just raise your voice at me?

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And like, no, he didn't.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's all on tape. Everyone could hear you raise your voice. Dude, that. That is a man who is, as the kids would say, he's. He's crashing out.

[Big T]

You know who they almost had instead of Mc Cronin at ucla? Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, who did they almost get there? Trying to remember. That was what, 2017, 19. 2019.

[Big T]

I don't know who they had agreed to hire Rick Barnes and they couldn't. They didn't want to pay the buyout and it was like done deal. Rick was going to ucla and then they. They didn't end up paying it and they got McCronen instead.

[PFT Commenter]

That would have been a weird fit. I think Rick Barnes at ucla.

[Big T]

I think to a man of Rick Barnes age, that's still like the premier job in college basketball.

[PFT Commenter]

True. And that said McCrone, he hasn't done a bad job at UCLA. If you look at like the totality.

[Big T]

Of it and done a good job.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not good right now. It's bad right now. It's very bad right now. But there were a couple really good years for ucla, so I guess he.

[Big T]

Was his first year. They went to the fake final four or second year.

[PFT Commenter]

Second year. Right.

[Big T]

Yeah. Because first year got cut short, so. Yeah, they did go to the. The fake final four.

[PFT Commenter]

Did they go to the championship game?

[Big T]

No, that was the Jalen Suggs shot. Remember? Jalen Suggs beat him at the buzzer in the final four. And then Gonzaga got blasted by Bay.

[PFT Commenter]

By Baylor. Yeah. That game was over after like one minute.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Canada has just beaten Chechia.

[Big T]

Yeah, I had it pulled up.

[PFT Commenter]

So that means that and overtime, depending if the US handles business against the Swedes, it will be us against Canada.

[Big T]

No, we'd play them in the gold medal game. We would play them in the gold medal.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. If the US Handles our business against Sweden.

[Big T]

This is the quarterfinals.

[PFT Commenter]

This is the quarterfinals.

[Big T]

Get your. Get your puck right.

[PFT Commenter]

My pucks. My puck's wrong. I thought that we handle business to get. So who else do we have to beat?

[Big T]

I think the other semi final or the quarterfinal is Finland against.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no. Crosby, you got injured.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

No, damn it. That's bad.

[Big T]

It's Finland and somebody that we would play in the semis.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm sorry, I'm just broken up about Crosby. That sucks.

[Aaron]

How old is Crosby? I feel like he been around for a while.

[PFT Commenter]

Crosby is approximately 39 years old. That's my guess.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

It was both. Okay.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[Big T]

38.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[E]

You guys almost have the same birthday area. And you're both born in August.

[Aaron]

Ah, my fellow Aquarius.

[E]

You're not.

[PFT Commenter]

You're not Aquarius.

[E]

You're not an Aquarius.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Aaron]

He is back in training. I have a session with him tomorrow and she texts us. She usually has two packages where she takes him for a month and then he stays with us for a little while and he takes it for another month. She hit us and she was like, he's doing so good that I'm suggesting that we condense them and we. I forget her suggestion, but so basically he's. He's outperforming what she thought he was going to do and he's doing like a really good job. So we are, we're excited about that.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that. I love that. Still really cute.

[Aaron]

I'm a big dog. He's leaving Cute and entering Beast Handsome.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, nice. Yeah, he'll get to Regal one day too.

[Aaron]

That's a Regal. Someone walk down the street, he's like, what?

[Brace Belden]

A Regal?

[Aaron]

Yeah. Animal.

[PFT Commenter]

You have dog like that? That dog can flip the switch, go from like adorable to stately in a heartbeat.

[Aaron]

A stately.

[PFT Commenter]

Just stately.

[Aaron]

Oh, stately.

[PFT Commenter]

Stately.

[Aaron]

A Stately about to kick the bucket.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no. Stately like this. This dog could decree something and I would have no choice but to follow it because he's wise. All right, what else we got today? Anything else y' all are burned up about?

[Big T]

Did you see Jack Bower?

[PFT Commenter]

Jack Bower, starting pitcher.

[Big T]

He came in in relief, but I think eventually he'll probably be a starter relief pitcher.

[PFT Commenter]

Wears number 24. Yeah.

[Big T]

Throws 100 as a freshman.

[PFT Commenter]

That'll be good for the, for the commentators.

[Big T]

I mean, he. You got to be a beast, right? Yeah, I think he was. He was the number one left handed pitcher in the country.

[PFT Commenter]

So you have to wear. I like the confidence that your name's Bauer and you wear 24.

[Big T]

You don't have a choice.

[Brace Belden]

No, you do.

[PFT Commenter]

You do. You do have a choice.

[Big T]

And everyone would say, how are you not number 24?

[PFT Commenter]

They'd say that as a joke and it'd be like, oh yeah, that'd be kind of funny. But if you go out there and you're like, yeah, I'm that dude, I'm gonna wear 24, that to me says like, okay, all right monster. And that's, that's a guy I want closer.

[Big T]

And it's, I mean he had to have been named with the knowledge that he was being named if not for that Jack Bauer. They knew about it. He was born in what, oh 6, oh 7.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. Way after the show came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This kid has greatness in his DNA.

[Big T]

Through 102 as a senior in high school.

[PFT Commenter]

That's not safe.

[Big T]

Probably not, but it's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

At some point, like God bless him, I hope he has a great career. At some point humans aren't going to be able to throw a ball any faster.

[Big T]

I think we've reached that point.

[PFT Commenter]

At some point humans aren't going to be able to run any faster.

[Big T]

I think it's baked in for baseball teams now. Like, yeah, we're, we're signing Paul skeens to an eight year, 300, whatever million dollar deal. We understand two of those years he's going to be out.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Because it just, that's, that's the way it is.

[PFT Commenter]

God bless his arm.

[Aaron]

Usain Bo. I think about a lot, like, I don't think we're going to see that. 30 years. No, I'm giving it 30 years that, bro. Was it 9, 9, 19. 19 and the 2 and then the 100. I think it was 9, 5, 8. My memory serves me correctly. Yeah, I don't, that is just abnormal. A long legged sprinter, that's just not nice. Just not a normal cat. So yeah, I give it 30 years. I think there'll be a spike here and there though.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you'll see some outliers. But at some point it's just like the human body can't, can't do things.

[Aaron]

That's kind of the nature of evolution though.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. But nobody's ever going to be able to run 100 meters in one second.

[Aaron]

I'm not going to say never.

[PFT Commenter]

What?

[Aaron]

I can't say never. I don't, I don't know. What if our society develops in a way that it is beneficial for humans to run as fast as humanly possible?

[Big T]

It is now. It's, it's not, that's not, I mean it's not necessary.

[Aaron]

Half of over half of America's obese.

[Big T]

It's not, it's not necessary, but you can make a lot of money doing it.

[Aaron]

Yeah, but it's not necessary. I don't know. Anything can happen with evolution. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the limit. It's all on the limits of the DNA in the environment. I don't. And I don't know that I can't say that.

[Big T]

You said he ran a 9, 5, 8, 100 meters?

[Aaron]

I believe so.

[Big T]

So what would that be in a 40?

[Aaron]

Like 3, 8 something, 3 something easy times 40. But also the scary thing about you.

[Big T]

Saying was 3, 3, 8, 3. If. If meter and yard were exactly the same, which they're not, but they're pretty close.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

He's the fastest man ever walked Earth. I remember one time I was watching, I don't know who it was, but Usain broke the world record. And like, there was an older head who. I think it was Maurice Green or something like that was an older head who used to have the world record. He's like, yeah, you know, he's young. He's still got a lot to learn. I'm like, can't do that in track. He's the best to ever do it. End of discussion. There's no. There's no. He's got a lot. No, he did it. He did what he needed to do. The goat.

[PFT Commenter]

There is nobody that will. I. You can say demonstrably, like, nobody's ever eaten more than Joey Chestnut. No one's ever run faster than Usain Bolt in the history of the world. That must be so awesome to be like, I'm faster than anybody that's ever lived ever.

[E]

It's.

[Aaron]

It's amazing. Yeah. I had a small feeling like, that one time after my 2010 season, or I led the league in rushing all purpose yards and touchdowns. I was like, I was the best running back in the world playing the usa.

[Brace Belden]

But it was small, though.

[Aaron]

Like, yeah, I did. I was with the best in the world this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Legit. Yeah. Oh, good.

[Aaron]

All right.

[PFT Commenter]

Anything else, guys? I love talking to y'.

[Brace Belden]

All.

[PFT Commenter]

We got. We got Brace coming on to talk about the Epstein files and the updates on those of which there are many, many twists and turns and also credit to Brace. There's a lot of people that have become like, they've. They've tacked themselves onto the Epstein files in the last, like, three years or so. They've just kind of gone. Gone along for the ride of. Of the clout. Brace has been knee deep in this game since before anybody paid attention to it outside of, you know, a couple reporters down in South Florida that did very important work. But like Bryce has been all over this with Liz and subscribe to Truanon and give them all the support that you can. We love Brace, so let's get him on the show. All right, before we get to Brace, he's brought to you by Pebble. Quick question. Are you hiring in another country right now? Because once you do, things can get complicated fast. But that's where pebble can help. You could send offers in minutes to anyone in the world, get them onboarded fast. Pebble is an AI powered global human resources platform built for founders, HR leaders and operators who are hiring and supporting teams all around the world. Pebble helps you hire, pay and manage talent in over 185 countries fast onboarding that can be done in minutes. Instead of juggling separate tools for contracts, payroll, benefits, compliance, pebble brings everything together with built in guidance and local expertise to support you. It's especially helpful if you're managing teams internationally or if you're planning to grow the fastest growing companies in the world. Use pebble to stay organized and reduce risk and founders use it to scale faster without feeling like they need to become HR or compliance experts. The bottom line, it simplifies global people operations so you can spend more time growing the business and supporting your team. Sign up for pebble for just US$399 per month per employee and receive 30 off benefits. Go to High Pebble AI to get a free estimate. That's H I P E B L dot AI for a free estimate. And now here's Brace. We welcome back maybe the most special guest in, in the history of the lore of macrodosing podcast. Brace Belden. Brace, it's good to see you. You've been, you've been a little podcast slut recently. You've been just making the rounds. You've got. Who, who's the best? Who do you like being with the best out there?

[Brace Belden]

Oh, it's, it has to be 100% Macrodos and conscious.

[PFT Commenter]

Don't lie to us. Don't lie to us.

[Brace Belden]

Brace, who's the best?

[PFT Commenter]

I know you tell Pablo Tory that same thing.

[Brace Belden]

No, no, I don't speak to him when I go in there. It's not like here where we, we joke around and we talk a little beforehand. No, I go in there, I don't look him in the eyes. I look after the screen and I just do my job.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Brace Belden]

I only feel comfortable with you guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's, that's business. When you're on with Pablo, with us, there's like that, that deep connection.

[Brace Belden]

It's. It's pure pleasure.

[Big T]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, we're glad that you're back on. There's been a lot of happening. And I was just talking to, to Zach, one of the guys that works here at Barstool, and he was like, so how much of the stuff that's coming out about the Epstein files is real and how much is fake? I was like, that is entirely dependent on what corner of the Internet you're looking through. Like, what. How are you holding up the prism of, of social media? To your eye, which angle are you looking at? That is going to be 100% determinative of whether or not you're looking at stuff that's actually in the files or just stuff that people are whipping up out of Photoshop for posting. I've noticed that if the for you page on x.com the everything app, it's all happening on X. The for you page is like 50, 50 photoshops and then other real stuff. So I can understand why a lot of people have been seeing these 3 million documents that came out and they're like, I have no idea which ones are real and which ones aren't.

[Brace Belden]

It has been sort of an extraordinary look into the various quadrants of American society. I guess various would be the four quadrants of American society, but I don't want to detail them here, but into the various sectors of American society as to what they're focusing on. Because Pizzagate came back in a big way. Some of the QAnon stuff has come back, but it never really went away. But it's definitely coming back a little bit. And then you have guys like Ted Lieu, one of. I got to. I can't stand this guy. He loves a press conference going out there and being like, donald Trump ate a baby. And I think it really is where there's warring factions of who. Who thinks if. If you think Hillary Clinton ate a baby or if you think Donald Trump ate a baby or if you think a no baby is being eaten all.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's impossible.

[Brace Belden]

What if they shared a baby right now? Big T? I don't know. I can't say for sure. And you can never be for sure. But it doesn't seem like anyone ate a baby here. But it's. People are going totally crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

And I think now when you say.

[Aaron]

Baby, do you just mean any human or just baby?

[Brace Belden]

I'm gonna go ahead and say I think cannibalism was not high on the list of these guys's pleasures, but I think a baby in particular also. What's the point of eating a baby? It's so small. It's like a chicken wing.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, this.

[Aaron]

Yikes.

[Brace Belden]

Hardly anything there. It's mostly bone. No, I don't know how many bones babies have, but it is. It has been crazy to see. And it is. I think that this is kind of an unprecedented situation where this many documents related to a story that's this hot have come out with this little context or. And this many redactions. And so it's. There's all these sort of individual puzzles that people are doing and these, you know, it's. It's like crossword puzzles that they're filling in for themselves without really that many clues. And it's led to a lot of.

[PFT Commenter]

Confusion, a lot of confusion out there. Ton of confusion. And I think even some of the members of Congress are getting confused by it because it's almost like they are now in their own clout. Chase to be the first, because we get this massive dump of documents. There's no possible way that anybody can process these or begin to process and determine which are the important documents, which ones aren't. Like, you can't do that in a day or two. That's going to take months. And it's going to take like, everybody, like thousands of people going through it independently. But you've got some people in Congress that are very thirsty and trying to get, like, their takes to the front of the front of the line. And I think Rokhan has done a pretty good job. I think that Massie has done. They've both been, know, relatively consistent with wanting to just like, force as much of this stuff to the light as possible. But then they got a little bit over their skis and they started reading the names because they went into the. The skiff and they were able to see the unredacted names. And it turns out that some of the names that were redacted were redacted because they were in police lineups. They were like. I don't know if they were volunteers for police lineups or if they were criminals that got, you know, brought into the line. I don't know how that works in, in New York City if there's like, if that's a day job that you can have where you just, you know, you volunteer to be in a police lineup twice a week and you get 100 bucks. But yeah, some of those names get out there and then like, oh, yeah, well, Maybe we should be a little bit more careful with, with who we actually name. But yeah, then there's a whole back and forth with the Clintons and where do we stand on that? The Clintons, they're in a big game of chicken with Congress right now to see if they're going to provide testimony. Is that what's up?

[Brace Belden]

As far as I last checked, the Clintons and I hope they get to do it together and sit next to it.

[PFT Commenter]

That'd be cute, wouldn't it?

[Brace Belden]

Because they, I mean, just maybe it'll rekindle a little bit of a flight. Maybe they'll have, as we were talking about prior to recording, maybe they'll have sex in a, in a, in a restroom of a, you know, some large department store or a chain Mexican restaurant afterwards. But they, I believe, are going to do a video testimony behind closed doors. And I think what they want to do, and I might be wrong on this, I don't have it in front of me. I think what they want to do is they want to do a open door testimony meaning, or I think they want to just do it in front of Congress. Unless Wexner, I think, is being deposed either today or later this week, there's a lot of movement happening here. I don't know if it's really going to amount to much. I don't think like, I don't know if people are assuming that Bill Clinton's gonna come out here and be like, yep, you know, I'm in front of Congress. I gotta tell the truth. Me and Jeffrey, kids together, you know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

I didn't think it was wrong. I can't do really a Bill accent here. But, but the pressure is sort of on them. I don't know really what, because you gotta think of, you gotta zoom out and think of the political game that's being played here. Right. I doubt many of the people, like, I think it's comer, that's, that's Colin Clinton up, really think that they're going to about to like crack the case with Bill Clinton or whatever. But I think it's a way to use the Epstein files to damage the opposing political party. Now I'm not so sure how. I mean, obviously Bill and Hillary are like very associated with the Democrats, but I'm not really so sure like what lasting damage that will have to the party. And the reality is, is that people both at the top echelons of the Democrat Party or who wants the top echelons of the Democratic Party and in the current administration kind of Basically did the same shit with Jeffrey Epstein.

[Aaron]

Right.

[Brace Belden]

And so it's, it's, it's a really, it's a gay, it's a game of chicken that kind of everybody is playing right now.

[PFT Commenter]

It seems like if I was Bill Clinton, and let's say Bill Clinton is, is completely, he's innocent of any crimes as it pertains to hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sure he's guilty of a great many crimes throughout his days. But in this instance, let's say, let's say he's got truly nothing to be to be worried about. Very unlikely. But hypothetically, he's got to hate Donald Trump, right? Like he, he has to, he has to hate Trump based on the fact that he would. Bill Clinton was this close to getting Hillary out of his hair for eight years and then Trump comes along and now she doesn't have a job, she's at home all the time. They hate each other. Like he's got to hate Trump just for that reason. If I was Bill Clinton, I'd just be like, Donald gave me head. It was best. Yeah, I, I, I gave him a blowjob too.

[Brace Belden]

Like that testimony was correct.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I would just, I would perjure myself and just be like, yeah, listen, me and Donald, we all the time and just like mutually assured destruction. Let's, let's all go down with this ship right now. Donald.

[Aaron]

Where we at with that rumor with the, with the Donald and Billy?

[Brace Belden]

I am going ahead and saying, as somebody who obviously didn't believe it at all, now I'm like, yeah, you know what things happen, you know, you have a couple apparel spritzes, you know, it's maybe, maybe, maybe Hillary's out on the town with Huma having the rumored lesbian relationship together. Maybe it's time to just, I don't know, getting your dick sucked by a guy. Isn't that gay? I think it's within the margin of error. No, if you've, if you're, think about it like this. If you're a guy like Bill Clinton and you've had sex with so many women throughout your life, rumored one blowjob from a guy isn't really going to affect the score that much. I'm not a Moneyball guy. Actually, I am a Moneyball guy. I'm a Moneyball guy. And we look at this, the average here, right? We look at the averages of bats to other the Mrs. And if you get millions of home runs and you get one bunt, you know, it's like, it's not really Affecting the average that much.

[PFT Commenter]

It's an outlier.

[Aaron]

Are you a bunter?

[Brace Belden]

Are you a bunter? He got a. He got a little bit of bunt from Donald.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[E]

And.

[Brace Belden]

And it's gayer, obviously. And there's nothing wrong with this. I'm just saying, objectively, it's gayer to suck a dick. It just. I mean, and again, that's not saying. That's not putting a moral judgment on that. It just is. And so Donald Trump, he is doing mutually assured destruction, but it's like if one country had a billion nuclear missiles and another country only had a million. You know what I'm saying? And so, like, if Donald Trump is Russia or something, in this case, Russia is annihilated, but America, most of it's just annihilated.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You know, you got to be first to market with the blowjob talk so that you can make sure that you're the one getting the blowjob.

[Brace Belden]

Exactly, Exactly. Exactly. Precisely. But. But I think Trump is.

[E]

Trump's.

[Brace Belden]

His entire handling of this has been so strange that I would not be surprised if tomorrow, Donald Trump was just like, yeah, you know what? Actually, Bill sucked my dick. Yeah, it might have happened.

[PFT Commenter]

It's been. I was thinking about that going back all the way to, like, the. The mid-2000s, when he's on the radio and he's saying, like, yeah, Jeffrey Epstein, listen, it's no secret around town. He likes a good time and he likes women. Some are said to be even younger than the ones that I like. Like, Trump was definitely. That was not just him gassing up his buddy Jeffrey. That was him, like, as he likes to do, do a little warning shot out there in public, like, hey, I'm going to compliment you, but just so you know, I know some bad shit about you. Yeah, there was that. That goes all the way back. That was like, what, mid 2000, I think. And then him going to the sheriff at some point and saying, like, jeffrey Epstein, bad guy. But, Glenn, she is the worst. She's evil. You need to look into her. Then the rumors that Trump was, like, wearing a wire or he was doing some informant work, but that doesn't seem like it was with the FBI. That seems like it was the local sheriff's department. So I don't know if they had the budget to, like, strap him up with a microphone and sent him into Mar A Lago or whatever. And then it seemed like things were okay, at least behind the scenes between Epstein and Trump. For a while, Epstein was advising some of his closest Advisors, like, he was working with Bannon, and there was a lot of ties in between who Epstein was talking to and the people that were close to Trump. And then something happened where Trump was like, arrest this guy now. Or the doj. The doj. Something happened. And I don't know. I don't feel like it's crazy to think that Trump, in his first term was attempting to be the guy that was in charge of the doj, like he has been now, like, exerting that level of power. He might have still been, like, playing nice with the norms at the time. But I have to imagine that Jeffrey Epstein doesn't get arrested without Trump sign off on it.

[Big T]

Right.

[Brace Belden]

You'd think. I mean, if it's. It's functioning even halfway like the DOJ is functioning now, you'd think so. I mean, it does seem like Bill Barr had carved out a little fiefdom within the Trump administration.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Brace Belden]

But, you know, you have to remember that none of this would have happened. This is what blows my mind so much. None of this would have happened if Trump had not gotten nominated and then gotten Alex Acosta to be the Labor Secretary. Because Alex Acosta, who negotiated that plea deal on behalf of the federal government, where Epstein just faced state charges for sex crimes, this investigation was sort of quashed. People from the government side ended up working for and with Jeffrey Epstein later. And if he had negotiated that plea deal, which also gave Epstein's unnamed co conspirators immunity, then there wouldn't have been this Perversion of Justice series that came out in the Miami Herald. This wouldn't have led to all these questions about Acosta's performance during the plea deal, his resignation, and then this sort of, like, firestorm. I mean, that. That is what kicked off the. The investigation that eventually got Jeffrey Epstein arrested. It is like Trump pushing over one domino or stepping on one little butterfly, and then all of these cascading effects happen to the point where now this is the biggest national news story. What, six, seven years? Seven years. Six years.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel like this is.

[Brace Belden]

Don't do that big. I think you did it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You did it. You forced him. I was in trap.

[Big T]

I don't have a choice.

[Brace Belden]

You're right. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Because you're what, 19?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

28 years old.

[Brace Belden]

That same thing.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

You're youth master. But. But it's. It's just crazy because it's these years after Jeffrey Epstein's death, it is just like it's not going away, you know? Yeah, it's. It's come back bigger than ever.

[PFT Commenter]

The man who wouldn't die.

[Brace Belden]

That's a Trump called.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a Trump and it's.

[Aaron]

It.

[Brace Belden]

I just can't believe how completely bungled this has been from the beginning if. Because the reason that all of these documents are being released like this is because Trump, who had promised to release the Epstein files, entrusted this to Pam Bondi, who had such a botched rollout back a year ago in last February where she handed up those stupid binders. And because of the backlash against that, now we have this and it's just, it's led to Tom Pritzker having to resign. It's led to Peter Mandelson being investigated for criminally in the uk Kathy Rummler. And this is this one hurt because obviously, you know, I work for Goldman part times. Having to resign as lead counsel for Goldman Sachs, it's just, it's a massacre.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah, let's talk about, about Kathy Rummler because I was not very familiar with her game. She was a, a lawyer for Barack Obama. Was she an official White House attorney? Yeah, official White House.

[Brace Belden]

She was White House counsel, but I don't exactly know what her job. Yeah, Deputy White House counsel and then just regular White House counsel. So she's like the lawyer who's advising Barack Obama.

[PFT Commenter]

So she referred to Epstein as Uncle Jeffrey. That was like her pet name for him. Sounds like they were pretty close. Yeah. So there's one email that said, I'm working on a PR strategy for M.J. white v. Elizabeth Warren. And then Epstein reported, Good, MJ is good. And Rummler said yes, and EW is the worst. So they were having like behind the scenes conversations on how to deal with like Democrat infighting at the time. Also, quick aside, Jeffrey Epstein might have been the worst typer in American history. Like just in terms of, I think it's intentional speed. Is he, is he going for speed?

[Big T]

But they're all, even the people who send emails to him, they're written weirdly like that. I don't know if it's a code or something, but I think they were writing weird on purpose.

[Brace Belden]

If you're talking about the weird formatting stuff and apologies, my Internet might be a little bad right now if you're talking about the weird formatting stuff, that is an error in uploading the files. But Rummeler is crazy because not only was she getting advice from Jeffrey Epstein and advice in Jeffrey Epstein, she seems to be having had an, having an affair, an active affair with Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer that he was kind of like overseeing. There's a distinct possibility of a devil's threesome. A so called devil's threesome between Jeffrey Epstein, his lawyer Reed Winegarden and, and Goldman Sachs chief counsel Katherine Rumbler.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, this is crazy. It, it, it touches everybody. There was that guy Brad Karp. Have you read about what Brad Karp was up to?

[Brace Belden]

Oh my God. He had to, he just had to resign, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So he resigned. He was what law firm? It was Paul Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton Garrison. Sounds pretty prestigious. So right before Epstein got arrested, he had like the most important project that he was working on at the time was trying to get Brad Karp around at Augusta National Golf Club. And so he, he and Steve Bannon were teamed up together trying to get Karp into there. I don't think they ever got him in before he got arrested. I would just like to see behind the scenes documentary of Epstein and Steve Bannon trying to figure out which levers to pull which wheels to Greece at Augusta to, to get Brad Karp around there. Because at some point you, you just get so much money that you, you have to develop these side quests. And I think a lot of guys, the final boss of side quest is just like get me around at Augusta.

[Brace Belden]

Is it that hard?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, very hard. So they didn't, they didn't let women golf there until like I want to.

[Big T]

Say 15 years ago.

[PFT Commenter]

Like. Yeah. 22,005, 2007 post 9 11. And. And brace. Guess who the first female member was.

[Brace Belden]

I could not even imagine.

[Big T]

You could.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you could. You could. You're on the right track already.

[Brace Belden]

2005, 2005, 2005 Post 911 going to be Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Big T]

No, in a more official capacity.

[Brace Belden]

In a more official capacity. I'm trying to think of famous women, but unfortunately I'm so pretty famous that it's difficult for. Is she not famous?

[Big T]

No, she's a woman.

[Brace Belden]

She's famous. Let me see. And she golfs or she just likes to be in a club.

[PFT Commenter]

She does golf. She's not known for golfing, but she does play.

[Big T]

She was known at one time for another sport endeavor.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. And. And somewhat still to this day this is.

[Big T]

But not her most official.

[PFT Commenter]

Her. Most of you might recognize most of her official business in the United States government.

[Brace Belden]

In the United States government. Oh, it's got to be. Who was the lady, you know, talking about? She was in George Bush.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yep. Connie. Really? Connie Cond. Condoleezza Rice was the first.

[Brace Belden]

Condoleezza Rice.

[PFT Commenter]

She was the first female Member at Augusta National.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, there we go.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, okay, we'll give you one, Grant.

[Brace Belden]

You guys had to give me a lot of hint. Hints, but that's. Yeah, she. She's a good. What other sport did she do?

[PFT Commenter]

So she. This is.

[Brace Belden]

Wait, she's Jerry Rice. Dead name, but she.

[PFT Commenter]

Brace. I don't even know how to begin telling you this story.

[Brace Belden]

Jerry Rice is black. I assume he was white because of the name.

[PFT Commenter]

So. God. Elisa Rice. Right now, she is the part owner of the Denver Broncos.

[Brace Belden]

She's what?

[PFT Commenter]

She's in an ownership group with like, the. The Waltons, the Walmart family. I think Peyton Manning might be in that group too. But so she's got like a small percentage that she's. She's tied up there. But back in 2017, I believe the Cleveland Browns, they fired their coach, as they are. Want to do. That's. You know, they typically do that once every year and a half. Two years. Mad Dog.

[E]

Yeah, that's usually.

[PFT Commenter]

So they. Yeah, so they. They fired their coach. And then Adam Schefter, who is the. The number one newsbreaker in terms of NFL News Online, he tweeted out because it's a coaching search, and part of his job is to be like. The Cleveland Browns are now interviewing Greg Williams to see if he will be a fit for their head coaching position. You know, he tweets this type of stuff out. One day. He tweeted out. The Cleveland Browns are expected to interview Condoleezza Rice for their head coach position. This is real, and apparently it. The Browns were considering it even though Condoleezza Rice has never coached football. I don't think she's ever played football. I don't think she's ever coached a sport. She didn't have any ties to the NFL, but there was somebody in the Browns organization that wanted to hire Condoleezza Rice to be the head coach of the Browns. And God damn it, every morning I wake up and I just wish that that had happened, because that would have been the best story ever.

[Brace Belden]

That's. She's. She's had a lot of experience commanding large groups of people. And so I think that I could see, like, think about this. Pete Hegseth, right? Patriots coach.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

We got. We could do. We could do rfk, Junior Warriors. Like, I think a lot of these people, their skills can translate. Like, it's like, you know what I mean? Like, if you're good at jumping, you know, you can probably be like, a pretty good employee at, like, I don't know. Yeah. A place with a Lot of tall shelves like these things. Like, it's not like you just have to do the same job all the time. If you. You learn skills and they're applicable and they're transferable.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I just wish that they. I would have loved to see her, like, with a whistle and like, the challenge flag that she's thrown onto the field. It would have been a great story.

[Brace Belden]

Are there any lady coaches?

[PFT Commenter]

No. Lady. There are some lady assistant coaches.

[Big T]

Yeah. Like strength coaches and stuff like.

[PFT Commenter]

Like that, I think doesn't count.

[Brace Belden]

There's not. Has there ever been a lady.

[Big T]

There's a few refs.

[Aaron]

A lady ref, too. Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah. But that's rude to make women refs.

[PFT Commenter]

It kind of is.

[Aaron]

Why is that?

[Brace Belden]

Because everyone hates the refs.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. It'd be funny if every ref was a woman.

[Brace Belden]

You. You want.

[Aaron]

You want equality? You should equal opportunity get yelled.

[Brace Belden]

I know, but it's like, make one of coach first, right?

[PFT Commenter]

There might be one in. In basketball, there's. There's been a couple really good female head coaches, either in the WNBA or assistant coaches in the NBA, and there's always rumors that they'll be hired to be head. Excuse me, head coach.

[Brace Belden]

I'm just saying if I get a lot of. I mean, maybe I'm thinking of the. The NBA here, but if a lot of, like, short, sort of portly Jewish guys can do it, there's nothing wrong with, like, any woman doing it, basically. Especially Condoleezza Rice.

[PFT Commenter]

I just say. I think it would be funny if. If they were all women. So it's just always just nagging.

[Brace Belden]

I mean, think about this. If they just made all the teams men, but everybody in the organization, from the coaches to the tow boys, women. Yeah, I think that would be. I think that would go a long way with solving a lot of the problems that we have in society today, I think.

[Big T]

So real quick, just before we got off on Condoleezza Rice, if I told you you could play 18 holes at Augusta National Golf Club, but you would be mentioned in the Epstein files, and there would be a 15% chance you would go to prison, would you do it?

[PFT Commenter]

For what?

[Big T]

To.

[PFT Commenter]

But what would the charge be?

[Big T]

No, I mean. I mean, you're in the Epstein files. So there's.

[PFT Commenter]

There's the Epstein files and there's the Epstein files.

[Big T]

I. It's not. It's not the worst, but it's not good. You go to prison for six years. If. If you're convicted like I.

[Brace Belden]

It's going to be tax.

[PFT Commenter]

Tax evasion. Can we say.

[Big T]

I Was thinking a little worse than that, but that's fine.

[PFT Commenter]

Tax evasion. Never went to the island.

[Big T]

You visited the island. But it was. It was just a quick. It was one night. It was a quick stopover.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, six.

[Brace Belden]

And there's not like corroborating stuff with other people being flown out.

[PFT Commenter]

Was he there?

[Brace Belden]

Did go.

[Big T]

Yes, he was there. 15 chance at 6 years.

[PFT Commenter]

I gotta say no to that. I think. I think setting foot on that island. Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

Which.

[PFT Commenter]

Which is a crazy.

[Big T]

What if you didn't go to the.

[Brace Belden]

Six years is nothing in a low security prison.

[Big T]

Also, it's only 15.

[Brace Belden]

Only 15. You're out in three.

[Aaron]

But I can't golf for six years.

[Brace Belden]

They probably got golf.

[Big T]

There's an 85 chance nothing happens and you just get to play again.

[Aaron]

Yeah, but. But that. But if you're convicted of anything, then your name is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, convicted.

[Brace Belden]

Because the Epstein stuff. If I was in my. I mean, I don't care about golf, so I guess I wouldn't do this anyways. But you know, I would just do it so that. Because PFT couldn't. And so I, you know, if I was in my 60s, you know what. You know, there's probably good medical care or probably not that good of medical care, but there probably is medical care. Low security prisons. Just other rich guys. Yeah, probably half the other. I probably know a lot of the guys in there because they're also probably the island with me. So it's just like, you know, I'm away, I get a little vacation. You know, maybe I'll write a, you know, a. If I did it style book call. I. I didn't do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Just imagine swapping stories with. With the fellas in there.

[Brace Belden]

Exactly.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Just reminiscing about old times on the island.

[Big T]

So you would.

[Brace Belden]

My boy did 10 years in a federal penitentiary and I think Indiana. And he was in there with all kinds of interesting guys. Like, it was like he was in there with a terrorist. He was in there with a couple other bank robbers and a guy who is actually innocent and I think is maybe gonna get freedom. And so it's like, you know, you meet a lot of good guys. Not good guys, but you meet a lot of guys.

[PFT Commenter]

A lot of interesting guys.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like. Yeah. You're guaranteed to have something to talk about at all times. If you're in a federal penitentiary.

[Big T]

Five percent. Would you go 5%?

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe. Maybe. But the thing is, like, you keep.

[Big T]

In mind you're still in the fight.

[PFT Commenter]

You touch that island one time and that sticks with you.

[Brace Belden]

Let's stop.

[Big T]

But you get to play amen corner.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true.

[Brace Belden]

I want. I want your guys's advice on something. So Howard Lutnick, the commerce secretary, and I will say ashanda for the goam. Because the way he talks, we shouldn't be having that accent anymore. That we should be leaving that accent sometime in the 1950s. It doesn't make us look good, especially post October 7th. We can't be talking in Howard Lutnick voice anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

The one on the news where they asked him about the first time meeting the guy. You go back and you listen to that. It's just. It's. He's laying it on a little thick.

[Brace Belden]

He's like, my wife and I went in to Jeffrey Epstein's house in 2005, pre conviction, and he showed us this massage table and we said, this is. This is the disgusting man. We will never speak with, interact, nor be around him ever again. Within one year, there are emails released. Jeffrey, my wife and our children would love to come to your little island. Maybe we'll bring some other children there. It'll be a nice weekend together. Oh, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, call me. I know you're Traveling right now. 2012, four years post conviction. Yeah, I'm gonna send you an email. Call me. It's just like, you forgot you went to. I could understand if you forgot to tell a guy to call you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

What I can't understand is how to forget to your visit to the island. It's like, have you just been to so many islands with so many pedophiles that you were like, you know what? He just blended in. Yeah, no, it's like he is. He was. He deliberately lied and to, of all places, the New York Post, which is just shameful. I mean, what an amazing, amazing newspaper. Shameful to lie to them. And then he. He's still just. He's like, kind of not really. He, like got called into front of Congress. He was like, oh, I guess I forgot. I don't know. It's just. It drives me crazy. I mean, there so many guys have. Have lied.

[PFT Commenter]

I. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna kind of defend Lutnick on this one because on. On face value, it looks like he. He lied and then he got caught in a massive lie. I think what happened was he told the truth. I think that in that interview that he did on the news, he went to Jeffrey's apartment, He saw the massage table. He was there with his wife. Jeffrey goes, I get the right kind of massage and I Get it every day. And I think Lutnick looked at his wife and he said, this is disgusting. We're never going to hang out with this man again. I think all that's true. And then Lutnick went home and emailed Jeffrey Epstein, like, hey, dude, that massage table thing rocks. Let's hang out sometime. But he was telling his wife, like, we can't hang out with this man anymore. Now. Then you fast forward and they're vacationing in the Caribbean. Maybe she's aware of the fact that now they're going to this disgusting man's island.

[Aaron]

Who.

[PFT Commenter]

Who's to say? But my general reaction was, I think Lutnick told his wife how gross he thought that was. That here's a man that's getting jacked off 24 7. He's like, that's terrible. I could never imagine a life like that. That sounds awful to me. But in reality, he was like, I want to hang out with this dude some more.

[Brace Belden]

Yes. You know, I'm pretty sure. Is it Edie Lutnick? I think it's. Edie Lotnick is Howard Ludnick's cousin, I believe was helped Ghislaine Maxwell start Terramar, her Ocean Conservancy thing. Okay, so these guys are all friends together.

[PFT Commenter]

That's.

[Brace Belden]

I don't believe that's in the Epstein files, but she's still got some tweets up about it. I mean, these guys were just like, fr. I don't understand what the point is in trying to, like, dissemble or lie to people. Because it's like, if you were a rich guy, for some reason, for some reason, you were hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein at least once. And like, that's the thing. I don't really understand Jeffrey Epstein. Like, people can ask, and there is sort of an explanation for how he got some of his money, but it's like, what did he do? What was his job day to day besides get massages? It's a little mysterious. And for a guy who was so inactive in many ways in terms of actually working, he certainly rubbed shoulders with the guys who are, like, moving a lot of money around. And he rubbed shoulders with them frequently. And it still is. I think this is what a lot of the questions about, like, what exact service did he provide to these people? Because in some instances, yes, there's like, what appears to be maybe, you know, moving money around. He was a. He looks like he was a tax shelter guy, probably laundering in some. In some ways as well. But, like, why was Bill Gates hanging out with him so much like Bill Gates has people to do all this for him. It is just really. It's unclear if you think it with a guy like Howard Lutnick. You know, it doesn't. We don't see any financial transactions between the two of them, but it just seems like he's a guy that Lnick liked.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

So give me, give me where you at with the Bill Gates saga and all this?

[Brace Belden]

I mean, listen, Bill, a guy looks like Bill Gates, I don't know what that's like, Right? You know, kind of ugly, glasses, five foot six, four, maybe even two, you know, obviously fantastically wealthy and highly charismatic. But, you know, Bill, I, I don't. I don't know what it's like to be like him. I think that he probably relied on Jeffrey Epson to meet women. It really seems like he was relying on Jeffrey Epstein to meet women. I think that Melinda, now Melinda Walker, Knee, or however you pronounce it, N, E. Then the E with the little hyphen or excuse me, apostrophe on it. Gates, she, I think, knew that this was happening, and then when it became very public, she was so embarrassed and saw a good opportunity and divorced him. But I think that he was probably cheating on her with, with girls that Jeffrey Epstein introduced him to. I don't know the ages of those women. I think there's been one woman that's been. Been, I think, sort of publicly announced, which was a Russian bridge player. But it seems like it might have happened more than once. And not only that, but like one of Bill. Bill Gates is like top scientific advisors. Boris Nikolic was like, fully one of Jeffrey Epstein's best friends during this entire period. He, in fact, he and Jeffrey Epstein hooked Kimbal Musk, Elon Musk's brother, who's on the board of Tesla, SpaceX, all these companies, they hooked him up with a girlfriend and they're like all these emails back and forth, congratulating each other, talking about it, you know, in very explicit terms. And so like, you know, it's kind of a little bit of a boys club happening here. And Bill Gates is. Isn't necessarily a core member, but he's definitely a member.

[Aaron]

Yeah, wait, time out. Because now, now, now, now, if, if this is the case, you're kind of not. You just the p. The picture you're painting is kind of giving some of these dudes an out where it.

[Brace Belden]

It.

[Aaron]

What you're saying. It could have been not all nefarious underage like trafficking, and it could be that he's A matchmaker.

[Brace Belden]

Well, all right, so let's just take the case of Kimball Musk. So Kimball is Elon's more loser but slightly more handsome brother, right? I don't want to say handsome. No, he just looks less up.

[PFT Commenter]

He looks cool. The cowboy hat. Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

He does wear a cow.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got a. He's got a good vibe to him.

[Brace Belden]

He wears a cowboy hat at all times. And this came from, and I heard this from one of his employees. He made one trip to Austin, Texas, and then bought a cowboy hat there and then has not taken it off since.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that. That's so perfect.

[Brace Belden]

He's a Burning man guy. He appears to teeter on the edge of polyamory, if not, you know, going over into this endless abyss on occasion. And. But he's kind of like second. You know, he's very much second fiddle to his. His significantly more neurodivergent brother, Elon, although Kimball himself seems to lack a certain amount of social growth race. And so we can take from the emails kind of like this is almost like an example of some of what Epstein did for people. So Epstein in 2012 and Epstein and. And Boris Nicolic and I think maybe Tom Pritzker at one point hang out with Elon and Kimble. And then there is a. I believe a second meeting, certainly one scheduled between Elon and. Excuse me, between Epstein and Kimball, just without Elon during that meeting. It appears that Epstein and Boris Nikolaik introduce Kimball to a young woman. Now, this young woman whose identity is known, she is. She is kind of in Epstein's entourage, so she has been traveling with him since she was very young. She first appears on the flight logs And I think 2004 when she was 18, which means that might have. They might have known each other prior to that as well, and dates. Epstein has some sort of sexual relationship, romantic relationship with him, but also works for him as sort of a, you know, he had all these sort of women who just did tasks for him as well. And those are. Those are in the. In the files. We've known about that for the pilot, not. Not the pilot, but in a similar role to. To Nadia, his. His lady pilot, you know, but sort of just like a. A pretty young woman he has around and sometimes it seems like hooks up with important men in order to, I don't know, maybe help Epstein learn things to help make connections, maybe for slightly even more nefarious reasons than that. So he and Boris introduce this woman to Kimball. They hit it off, and they have a whirlwind romance for the next. I think it's like six months. It goes from around October of 2012 to sometime in the spring of 2013. And Epstein is getting like reports from this woman on her relationship with Kimball and it seems like he's kind of helping her manage it. And now remember, 2012, 2013 is like Elon's making a lot of moves at this point and, and Epstein is very interested in these. And Epstein's also courting Elon at this point. And so it's like he's doing a sort of double pronged approach where he's making approaches to Elon and, and he's also having kind of one of his employees date Elon's brother. Now there's another instance where Kimbal Musk is having a birthday party at the Four Seasons here in New York City and Epstein appears to send a group of unnamed young women over and like there's no information about them, but young women over to Kimball Musk for this birthday party in this suite. And it sort of seems, which the password I think was riot to get into the party as well. In fact, I don't think it was.

[PFT Commenter]

I know it was right being the name of the, the, the Russian punk slash anarchist band that was.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Imprisoned by Putin.

[Brace Belden]

Yes, correct. Yeah, yeah. And, and, and so we don't really know. I mean we, all we can see is it's in the emails here. But if I had to take just a, a contextless slice of these emails not knowing anything about any of the parties involved, I would say that it appears this Jeffrey Epstein man is functioning as somewhat of a pimp for, for people like Kimball here, you know, where he has these, these people kind of at his beck and call it. So later the same girl that, that dates Kimball actually goes on to marry in a lesbian, a sham lesbian marriage. Jeffrey Epstein's final main girlfriend, a, a dentist named, well, Epstein puts her through Columbia Dental School named Karina Shuliak, who was the last person he made a phone call to. So this woman is basically like Epstein's like decades long employee that he sort of deploys at one point to date Kimball. And so this woman's overage. Like there's no, there's no like question about this. This woman is an adult. But Epstein also wasn't just into teenage girls. Like Epstein liked young women as well. And, and so it's not completely like, like it's not some sort of new revelation that we're learning this, but I think it is a really interesting insight into how he operated this because he, he performs the same service seemingly for, for a number of people where I'll have people over the house and they'll have like another email chain with one of his assistants being like, bring four, four or five girls over as well.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that it shines a light into a part of, part of our world where if you get rich and you get famous, a lot of times you're a big fucking dork and you don't really know how to talk to women. Maybe you haven't had that much success talking to ladies in the past. And if you know a guy that you can just count on to have like attractive women around, that's a guy that you are going to want to hang out with repeatedly. Because that is, that is your social life now. That's how you, that's for the first time in your life you're able to talk to a woman. And you're kind of just putting up a blinder to the fact that, oh yeah, she's talking to you. Because either one, she's like kind of been kidnapped or two, she's being paid as a, a working lady that is contracted, you know, via the services of Jeffrey Epstein. And that's how you get power over these guys. Because then they look at you and if you're Jeffrey Epstein, Kimball Musk looks at him and he's like, this guy is how I get laid. Every time I hang out with this guy, I'm having sex. And so then you start to develop those friendships and you become just like their confidant. And with Bill Gates, so Bill Gates, the whole thing with him and his. I think you're right. I think he was unable to talk to women. I think that Jeffrey Epstein always had women available for him to sleep with. Maybe some below the legal age, Almost certainly some above the legal age. But he had a weird relationship too with his, his like college girlfriend or his high school sweetheart. Did you know this about Bill Gates, that he, he had an arrangement even while he was married to Melinda, where once a year they would get to go hang out for a week on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. So Bill Gates would get a vacation with his high school girlfriend every single year. And they get to go like ride dune buggies and go play putt putt golf together. Kind of a weird situation.

[Brace Belden]

If you made me go, he had a hall. I mean, no disrespect to my high school girlfriend, but if we took a vacation together once a year, you would find me hanging from a branch by my own hand within the first 10 minutes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

Wow. It is. You know, there is something actually kind of sweet about that. No, it's not sweet. There's something kind of also really weird about it as well.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, very, extremely disrespectful to your current wife.

[Brace Belden]

I mean, Mike. Well, who knows what arrangement she had, right?

[PFT Commenter]

That's true.

[Brace Belden]

Maybe she gets to another rich hot guy like Jeff Bezos.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But it is very weird. It. But also sweet. It's like. Yeah, we get the. The quote that I read was we get together and we get to play putt putt golf while talking about molecular biology. It's a wonderful getaway that we have.

[Brace Belden]

I would be hanging within 5 minutes, not 10 minutes.

[Big T]

Brace, can you. Can you tell me about this plant that's been in the news the last couple days? Do you know about this?

[Brace Belden]

What is there a new plant?

[Big T]

So there. There was a plant reportedly on the island that would turn people into zombies or something. It's. It said it takes away your free will.

[PFT Commenter]

I saw this headline. It's. It's the, the plant. The drug that's used in Colombia to drug. It's kind of like that, but it's. It. It's like a. It's a roof variation of a roof. It apparently leaves you like semi conscious for days at a time. And I've read a bunch of stories about dudes that go down there on like, sex tourism. They end up meeting like a prostitute or a stripper. The stripper drugs them, then they withdraw all the money from their account over the course of like three or four days. And then they wake up, they don't remember anything.

[Big T]

Email show Epstein asked a close confidant about, quote, trumpet plants with the pedo financier potentially referring to the highly poisonous Angels trumpet toxin.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

Interesting. Wow. I had no idea about that.

[Big T]

Scopolamine seems to be the drug that that plant produces.

[Brace Belden]

Yes, Scopalamine. Yeah. God, I remember that was like a Vice documentary about. That is how I. How I heard about originally. Wow. I had not seen those. But that is. That is interesting. It's weird. Epstein actually also seemingly. I mean, I don't know. This is obviously a little different than just being on drugs, but Epstein hated anybody on drugs or who was an alcoholic do. I don't know. I mean, I feel like at the point that you're on the island, I'm not really sure that you need the, the zombie drugs.

[PFT Commenter]

I was going to say that the, the trumpet plant would be good, I guess if. If you had somebody on the island that Was not. They weren't truly prepared for what they were about to see or do on the island, and they were resistant to it. Then you just get the trumpet plan out and then, boom, you've got a.

[Aaron]

Movie about this with the Channing Tatum. Is it Channing Tatum? Blink Twice, Link twice.

[E]

Similar vibe.

[Aaron]

Very sick movie I thought I was watching because he's usually funny movie type shit. That is not a funny movie, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Brace. Do you know?

[Brace Belden]

I haven't seen it. I haven't heard of it.

[Aaron]

That is horrible. It's basically a movie where a guy charms women to get on an island and they just have a good time and they end up staying. And one girl starts getting a little weirded out, but everybody's cool. But they find out later on, spoiler alert. You know, but they found out later on that every night they're being drugged and raped by these dudes, like, these massively wealthy dudes. And then that's my fault because I was like, I like to watch movies where I don't know what's going on. Like, I don't watch the trailers. Like, oh, this looks dope. Let's see what it is. Yeah, my fault, because if I knew where the was going, I would never click that. It was, it was like a plot twist. Like, yeah, he's using funny, chilling movies.

[PFT Commenter]

And I was like, yo, this is. What the is this? Brace, have you seen any of the. The, the emails where Epstein's like, whoops. Where it seems like whoops might be a code word for that person died and now there's people making, you know, drawing.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, it does seem to be. It does seem to be. I mean, it's so hard because Epstein is like, he emails like, he's such a weird email. Like, he emails like, you text.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

You know what I mean? And like, you texted somebody you don't give a about. And so everything's like one word or like two misspelled words, but there's a few. And so he, like, he responds whoops to a few emails in particular. And yeah, it does kind of seem like, I mean, I don't know if it means he killed them, but it does seem like, at least in one of them, if I'm remembering I don't have in front of me that somebody dies in it.

[PFT Commenter]

And he's just like, whoops, I, I.

[E]

It's RFK jr's first wife is one. He responded, whoops.

[Aaron]

Oh, wow.

[Brace Belden]

And that is a woman who died, killed herself. And of course, Epstein and RFK Jr. Friends, you know, they went. They went on a couple plane rides together. I believe they dug up dinosaur bones.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. When they went fossiling together.

[Big T]

Speaking of people killing themselves, maybe the best that I recall the. The original uproar about. Not original, but the. When it got the loudest was Epstein didn't kill himself. Epstein didn't kill himself. You know, years and years ago. And now it's more or less. I mean, they've released. They had a fake body ready to roll out of the. The. The thing so that the media wouldn't see him, that they admit that the camera was cut off. Some like, I mean, he didn't kill himself. And it seems like they kind of just put all that out there and nobody really cares anymore, I guess, because more of this has been exposed.

[PFT Commenter]

And like, I. I go by what Dan Bongino says and dude, dude, he killed himself.

[Big T]

I've.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, I've seen the footage. But I. Did he. Dude, he killed himself.

[Big T]

I don't care whether he did or didn't, but I. But it seems like so many people cared about that. And now it's kind of been confirmed that he didn't. And it doesn't seem like that's getting the attention it would deserve.

[PFT Commenter]

I think there's just so much shit. There's just so much, so much stuff to go through. It's like every. There's there's like 20 different things in all these files that in a normal news year, let's say, what do you think the most regular news year ever was? I'm going to say like 2000.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, 2000 probably would be 2000.

[Big T]

Was 2000 one of the craziest elections we've ever had.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, election year, I guess. Yeah. Pre election 2000, because the election only really got crazy at that last part. But pre election 2000. So for most of 2000.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'd say most.

[Brace Belden]

Maybe say 99. I mean, I guess. Okay, Y2K but every year. And Y2K wasn't really that bad, you know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that was after Monica died down a little bit. Right. Okay, so 1999. Let's. Let's. 1999, most regular news year that we can remember. There's 20 different things in the Epstein files that would be like the story of the year that you would lead off Nightline with for. For three months in a row. And there's just so much stuff that it's impossible to focus on the fact that, yeah, this guy Jeffrey Epstein looks like he probably didn't kill himself. Looks like there may have been a fake body that was smuggled out of the prison. Maybe the, the real dead body was also taken out of the prison. But they also had a fake one just in case to draw eyes off of the, the cameras like you mentioned. Big T. None of that has lined up with what they originally told us.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, they also say, I think that they're saying that the noose there was like some news that they found that wasn't the news used that he like or some sheets that he didn't kill himself with. I, I actually, I want to go back to the whoops thing real quick if that's, if that's all right not to derail us. You know, I actually there's been so much that I just haven't seen because again there's 3.5 million files and obviously a lot of those are kind of repeats or whatever. But like I'm looking at this right now and this is a, A email or. Yeah, email between him and someone else in 2017. Turns out Ornella was raped when she was 18. Anna just told me today. And then Jeffrey Epstein responds. Whoops. And like Jean, he's, he's messaging Jean Luc Bernal, who also died in prison on sex trafficking charges in France in 2012. Subject. He deserves it. And then the body is just Whoops. It's like he uses whoops whenever anything bad happens to somebody else. And like, yeah, it is straight. Like even this sultan's mom died in Colombia. Whoops. Like he sends that to. Where is it to now? I'm off of it. I think he sends that to Kathy Rumler. It's just, it's, it's a little bizarre the way that he uses or no, he sends it to Eva Dubin.

[PFT Commenter]

I have to catch myself like getting too far down into like, you know, absolutely brain rotted conspiracy theory. But it does say a guy like Jeffrey Epstein who is clearly a narcissist, one of the, one of the biggest narcissists of all in addition to other things. But like his whole plan on like repopulating the earth with his, with his progeny and all that. He felt very highly of himself. He was clearly a manipulative person that was trying to control the affairs of the entire world and the elite. Definitely that would be, that would be a guy that would drop a calling card every time one of his plans to have somebody killed came to fruition.

[Brace Belden]

Or he's just an. Because look at this of this one. This is from his ex girlfriend, Eva Dubin. At Mount Sinai with my mom. She just had surgery for acute appendicitis. He writes news whoops. That's your ex girlfriend. If your ex girlfriend messaged you. My mom is in the hospital right now. I'm with her. Are you hitting her with a whoops?

[PFT Commenter]

Probably not a whoops, but you could also look back through like all the typos and, and his just general demeanor in terms of emailing and just imagine that he's just getting jacked off every time.

[Brace Belden]

Absolutely.

[PFT Commenter]

So it's like a little. He's a little distracted at them.

[Brace Belden]

Absolutely. Yeah. It just. He says whoops so often, it's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

The whoops is, are. The whoopsies are nuts.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah. And it's like to. What is this one? My mom is a bit sick. This is from another girl from Karina Shuliak. My mom is a bit sick. Won't be a good idea for them to come over today. Whoops. Okay, like, what is that?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it is. Might have been like his suggested.

[Brace Belden]

Is this just the only way that you know how to respond? Maybe it's just his trauma response to things. He's like, oh, your mother's whoops, you know, Whoops.

[Aaron]

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[PFT Commenter]

Keep up.

[Brace Belden]

It's golf.

[Aaron]

Tune in to every match only on espn.

[E]

Can I ask a question? Yes, Grace. About the. I've like the kind of the core four of the women that he's surrounded himself with, specifically Corinna and Nadia. And both of them are kind of just around still. Like, it got revealed recently that, um, Nadia is basically like a Buddhist in a Buddhist cult now in New York. And Karina Schuliac just graduated from Columbia this past year. Like, what happens to. To women like that who most likely started in a. In this whole scheme as a victim and then turned into, I guess you could call it a co conspirator. And they're just walking around and like also possibly still living at the East 66th Street Apartments. What do you do with women like that or people like that, I guess in general. And like, how are, how have they kind of gone on this long not having a similar Fate to Ghislaine, if they were. And like Leslie Groff as well, like, who was his assistant for 20 years. How are they kind of just like being in Buddhist cults and like, becoming doctors and like nothing like. And not getting deposed or like anything.

[Brace Belden]

Well, it is. I think it's so strange that it seems like from the files there were an FBI investigations into possible co. Conspirators. And even if you're taking the most minimalist view of this in that these women that were directly surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, who, according to, like, testimony and to, you know, the FBI's own investigations, seems like they helped him get girls over and. And certainly would have maybe participated in some of this trafficking. There's descriptions of threesomes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[E]

His truck, I. His. He's. She's getting his trust, right?

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Karina Shuliak, I think he willed her like $50 million and I don't know. Yeah. And possibly was married to him or at least. At least, maybe He. He says. At least they say that there was a ring promise, an engagement given to her.

[E]

It.

[Brace Belden]

It doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, Leslie Grof in particular, this seems like somebody who is well aware.

[E]

She has a vault of information.

[Brace Belden]

It seems totally. And like, it's unclear. Had Sarah Kellen as well. Like, it's unclear how deep the FBI or DOJ went on this. They see they definitely know about it. And there seems to be preparatory materials to go after. I think it's Kellen in the, in the, in the documents. Like, it seems like they were preparing a case against her and then just kind of gave up. And I really want to know what precipitated the giving up on that because, yeah, again, there are some people who. It's like, yeah, like Nadia, you know, the rumor was that he bought her when she was a teenager. Yeah. Yeah. I. I wouldn't be so surprised if that was not far from the truth. But. But like, yeah, then she turns into. Then he sort of like controls and manages her life and she becomes this pilot and this sort of burning man person. And then with Karina, you know, she's also from. From Eastern Europe. He marries her to Kimball Musk's ex girlfriend and puts her through Columbia Dental School, when, in fact, I think two people at Columbia just got in major trouble because clearly she was let in sort of around the regular admissions process by Jeffrey Epstein's influence. And I mean, I'm just like, what if that's your dentist, man?

[E]

Right.

[Brace Belden]

I mean at least she has a career set up for, you know, dentistry is obviously high rate of suicide, highest of all doctors.

[PFT Commenter]

Is that true?

[Brace Belden]

But yeah, yeah, but like were they.

[E]

Involved in those like non prosecution agreements?

[Brace Belden]

That's the thing is like we don't know because it's unnamed co conspirators. The timing lines up. Not with Karina. I think Karina came around a little bit later or at least we have papers on her from later. I don't know. She could have been around right then. But, but, but definitely I think with Nadia I feel like was around in 2007, 2008. I don't know. It is again, there's this, there's this NPA that like kind of prevented them from going any further. I, I don't know if the Jeffrey Epstein 2019 prosecution was going to. Maybe the DOJ thought that that would sort of, you know, make the, the, the 2008 MPA void and so they could prosecute other people or they just didn't really care that much and just wanted to go after the big name. But it does seem like they were preparing cases against other people. Now I would not be surprised if because of the uproar caused by these, that there are prosecutions against like, excuse me, Kellen and Groff.

[E]

Well, Leslie Groff I feel like knows every single thing that happened.

[Brace Belden]

Dude, her and Cecile de Jong on the island. It's like these two are like. I mean Groff knows everything. Like Groff is literally. She knows like all the bodies are buried, like more. And she was around through the Ghislaine period until, until the end.

[E]

Because not only was she involved in the email, she cc'd on every single one. Like she didn't miss a beat everything.

[Brace Belden]

And she's in charge of like, okay, Jeffrey Epstein wants to put up this girl at the apartments. Leslie Groff is the woman that like arranges this. Leslie Grof is the one that's sending for instance the Elon Musk thing when Epstein visited Space X. Leslie Grof is sending over Elon's assistant the passports of the three or four girls that's accompanying Epstein. So like she is aware of all this. She's like arranging meetings with lawyers for, you know, for, for some of the girls. She's like, I mean every single thing Leslie Groff is involved in. And it's absurd to me that she is not being kind of investigating. I mean if Ghislaine is getting charged with trafficking for some of this stuff, I just do not see how Leslie Groff is not.

[E]

Yeah. Or conspiracy, too.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, exactly. Conspiracy. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So you were talking about. You wouldn't be surprised if there was actually some prosecution who's going to prosecute him, though. Like, is the Department of Justice going to do it? I don't think that they're number one. Even if they thought like, hey, we need to get some more scalps, we have to act like we're doing something. I have, like, zero faith in them being able to just logistically, just, you know, ham and eggs, blocking and tackling, being able to pull off a successful prosecution of this case.

[Brace Belden]

I mean, Bondi at the top. There is nothing but just, like, slavish devotion to Jeffrey. Excuse me, not Jeffrey Eppsy, Donald Trump. And so, you know, I think it's really. If Trump is like, no, this is. There's nothing happening here, that means nothing will happen. The doj. Because if Trump is saying that this is just all a Democrat plot, then there will be no prosecutions related to the actual coconspirators. Now, there might be prosecutions related to, like, maybe contempt of Congress if somebody doesn't want to come testify, but I doubt that they're really going to reopen this investigation. They're under a lot of pressure, but again, like, the big man's word is, is kind of law around there. And so we don't really have an independent judiciary that can, that can decide to do this kind of stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

He's, he's probably got one or two names in that, in that list that he's had some rivalries with over the years. You know, just whatever, whatever beefs really rich, powerful people get into each other with over the years, like, oh, this guy cheated in a game of croquet in 2004, and he's always been a prick. And so, yeah, we'll throw him under the bus. Even if he told Bondi, like, go after that guy, I, I don't know that she'd be able to actually pull that off, given what her skill set seems to be, which is yelling at people.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah. And, you know, she is good at yelling at people.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to be very clear about that. Like, if Pam Bondi wanted to, she could have been an extremely strict substitute teacher. Like, kids would not have been fucking around on her watch.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, yeah, it is. You know, it's hard to say. I think Congress taking this into their own hands is good in some ways. I, I, so much of it seems to be political grandstandy that I don't know what can actually come of it, if that makes sense. Like, I don't know if Ted Lou is really the guy that's, like, actually wants to get to the heart of this. I think this has really become a political football for a lot of these guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Ted Lou, when he speaks, and this is not like, I'm not talking about his accent or whatever, just. Just how he. How he arranges his thoughts, There's a lot in common with the guy that went up to Minnesota and did the daycare fraud thing. They have the same cadence. They have their. Their synapses seem like they're connecting at the same level as each other.

[Brace Belden]

And Ted lose, like, surely too.

[PFT Commenter]

And Ted Lou's also a guy who's like, this is going to slap on Twitter, so I will put my thoughts online.

[Brace Belden]

I mean, that's the whole problem with all of this, is, like, so much of this is just being performed for fucking Twitter. And, like, it's. It's. You have an interesting dynamic where a lot of Trump's executive branch, like, appointees are Twitter heads and respond directly to stuff from Twitter, but Trump himself is kind of removed from that in more response to stuff from Fox and Friends. And so it like, sort of trickles down to him. And so he doesn't give a fuck about the Epstein stuff at all. Like, okay, maybe Reid Hoffman is like, a guy that he could kind of go after, but it's not worth it to him. Like, he's just rather be like, this is all a hoax. It's all fake. There's nothing going on here. You know, I. I think a lot of people think that there's going to be some crazy stuff in these files that, like, oh, we're going to go have sex with a child together on this and this date. The reality is the DOJ would not release that if they had it. I don't think that Epstein was communicating in that way with people, but the DOJ is like, he's not that stupid. He's not going to email, like, explicit crimes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

In that way under any circumstance. I think, first of all, he also used WhatsApp and Signal, neither of which we have in these files. Second of all, these aren't even the full list of files. And again, third of all, there's not, like, there's phone call transcripts or anything, which he called people on the phone quite a lot, as we know from the message pads in that. That. That were taken into evidence in the Palm beach home. It's like, I think people are expecting there to be a smoking gun from this or like, literally an Epstein list. Of like this guy, this kid on this date or whatever. And that's just. That was never going to happen. The DOJ is not. They are very stupid, but they're not stupid enough to. To. To put out a document that fully incriminates them in ignoring like, that would be the scandal of the century. If during this, like, drop this tranche, they released an email that was like clear evidence that there was child sex crimes happening outside of the remit of the investigations that already occurred, that would be, again, I cannot stress enough, that would be one of the biggest scandals in American history. And they're just not. If that document exists, they're not releasing it. There's also, I, I should add, there's a lot of stuff that the DOJ did not get in the. In the initial raid on Epstein's townhouse, there was a warrant that for some reason did not allow the FBI to take the contents of Jeffrey Epstein safe, at least not all of them. They went out and they got the warrant fixed and they came back. But in the meantime, some of Epstein's lawyers came to the house, open the safe and removed things from it. That is just what happened. And so there is stuff in here that we just don't know and we probably will never know. We can infer some stuff, and I would, I would say that there's kind of a lot of stuff you can infer from, from some of this. And this paints in kind of an incredible picture of the way that Epstein operates or operated, I should say. But people who are looking for there to be like one smoking gun document, that's just not how really like this stuff. And by this stuff, I mean even in. In the broadest sense, investigation generally works. Like, you actually have to kind of like figure out the story lines that go with these. You have to find corroborating documents. You have to find who these people, you know, say Bannon and Epstein are talking about like such and such foreign leader. You have to. You can figure out even in the documents, like Sebastian Ker from Austria, the who Epstein introduces Steve Bannon to. You find that Epstein knows him through a Norwegian diplomat that he's friends with and yada, yada, yada, and obviously not talking about something criminal here. I'm just talking about something slightly nefarious. But the pimping stuff, you know, you see Epstein arranging from girls visiting a house at a certain time. Now, Epstein's not saying in these emails these are girls for sex with these men. But you can act, you can kind of question, well, okay, why Are you bringing four girls over when you just have Bill Gates's science adviser coming over?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you know, no, it's, it's all fair. And I remember when you first told us, the first time we had you on the show, you talked about the townhouse and the warrant and the stuff that was in that safe that will never get to see and that, that is probably the stuff that's as close to a smoking gun as we can get. And by smoking gun, I, it's probably, you have to assume where all the backed up footage of the security cameras from all those rooms went. Right. And that's, that's what you'd have. And it's gone. And I don't think that whoever took it is going to bring it back. Probably just destroyed it. Considering the, the number of powerful people that would have been implicated, even like threatening blackmail as like a lone wolf blackmailer against all that, those people that had been to that house, that seems like you're signing your death warrant. So I think all that stuff's gone. I, I wanted to ask you about. You mentioned Pizzagate earlier and so you've seen a lot of people being like, see, told you Pizza Gate was real. We called it 100 true. But there is a very fascinating story between maybe kind of the origins of Pizzagate QAnon, Jeffrey Epstein and maybe Steve Bannon, but not in the way that like the original Pizzagate was real at all. But the vibes, the vibes are still coded the same way. So what do you know about the, about the start of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory and how Epstein, maybe Bannon are tied to it?

[Brace Belden]

Well, it's been a while, it's been a while since I got over this stuff. But a lot of it started, not all of it, but a lot of it kind of came from 4chan and certainly a lot of it gained steam on 4chan and particularly the, I believe the poll message board where a lot of politically incorrect, politically incorrect where QAnon did come out of and because Pizzagate kind of gave rise to Q or at least in a spiritual sense with his predecessor to it. A lot of the Pizzagate stuff also came out of the leaked Podesta emails from WikiLeaks. What I thought was interesting is Epstein meeting with Christopher Poole, the guy who started 4chan, I think in 2014 team is. He's meeting with him on I believe a number of occasions. And that is interesting to me because I don't know if, I don't know. I know that he later went on to work I think he works at Google still, but I don't really know exactly what he and Jeffrey Epstein would be talking about. I've been meaning to kind of like, try to research more on what he was actually doing in that year, because I'm not. I was never a forchan user. I'm not a big 4chan head.

[PFT Commenter]

Were you a. Were you a something awful guy?

[Brace Belden]

No, I was not. Not nothing.

[PFT Commenter]

You were independent.

[Brace Belden]

I was on heroin during a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Of the period where the ultimate message board doing those things.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

And I, I perused the message board Blue light, but it's not a. Not a user of it. Okay. Or it's not a poster on it, but. But I. It's okay. So like, Epstein meets with Christopher Poole during this period. Actually on the day that the poll message board starts, he meets with him. That I've seen a lot of people be like, oh, interesting. Like, did Jeffrey Epstein give him that idea? I don't think Jeffrey Epstein gave him that idea, but maybe he did. We don't know. I think that would take some spinning up to go meet with Jeffrey Epstein, then immediately start this new board, but it's possible. But then the friendship with Bannon, I think is really interesting because Bannon was a big pusher of the pizza gate stuff and the QAnon stuff. And Bannon was able to kind of like translate that into support for Trump in general and as this sort of like and, and, and sort of kind of this anti elite, really sort of vulgar populism that, that he was employing at this point. And, and it turns out that like, Bannon is just pretty much a, like within months after getting fired by Trump after the Charlottesville disaster is like, with Epstein, hanging out with Epstein all the time, advising Epstein, taking, you know, hundreds of hours, he's saying, or like a hundred hours, I think he said 100 hours of, of video of Epstein and seemingly is like one of his best friends during the period where like QAnon is like going crazy. I mean, 2018 was banner year for Q and one of these main guy. And you know, QAnon was spread a lot to like guys like Jack Bozobiec and sort of the Breitbart sphere of people, which of course that was Steve Bannon's entire, like, that was his apparatus. And so he kind of was one of the originators of this like, alternative ecosystem, this like independent media ecosystem that really embraced a lot of the QAnon stuff while at the same time hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein and like getting meetings set up between like him and the Saudis by Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. And so we see this like hidden world at work underneath this independent media sphere that is like something I've never seen before. I mean it's really. I, I knew that they were friends, but I did not know the, the extent of their friendship. It's really been kind of, I've been actually really focused on that. I'm doing a big project sort of around that that I'm hopefully gonna have done in the next few weeks, but it has just been kind of crazy to see. But then the Pizzagate stuff comes up again in this entirely. I don't want to say organic, but much more organic way with all the Jeffrey Epstein messages, especially all these ones with him and his urologist.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

Where people are like, look is a code word because in one he's talking about pills for erectile dysfunction and then the, the Dr. Harry Fish is like, well go, you know, have some pizza and grape soda afterwards. But it seems like Harry Fish actually just loves sending Jeffrey. I've seen pictures of food he ate, including at several point, or, excuse me, at one point a pig pizza of a cheese pizza. I think cheese pizza or maybe not cheese pizza and a grape soda. And so I don't think it was code. I think that they were really eating a lot of pizza. And Jeffrey Epstein does meet people at the pizza place by his house a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Or it could also become almost self referential at some point where like if they were a part of like, you know, at least discussing the Pizzagate stuff, then they're making jokes about it, then they start to refer to pizza and stuff in their own emails the way that you would like on a text thread with the boys. There was somebody that came up to, to Dave, Dave Portnoy when we were in San Francisco for the super bowl that was screaming at him about the elites. And he knows what he does with all the pizza because Dave does all the pizza reviews. And watching Dave try to figure out the pizza reviews, watching Dave try to figure out what the hell this guy was talking to him about when he was accusing him of being like a, you know, a member of the grand Jewish conspiracy of like child enslavement was very funny to see. Dave like tried to understand what this guy is even talking about.

[Brace Belden]

That's so yeah, he's like, oh yeah.

[Aaron]

Has he ever caught on? Has he ever caught out?

[PFT Commenter]

Cuz I saw the video, he was just like, you keep saying they, who's they? Who's they? Who's they? And the guy just was like, you know who they are? Dave. Dave was like, I have no idea. I like to eat pizza. I. I put pizza in my mouth. I. I eat pizza. It's good. I make videos about that.

[Brace Belden]

Where did you guys get pizza in San Francisco?

[PFT Commenter]

Where did Dave go? I don't. I don't know. I'll tell you what. San Francisco. Call me a lib if you must.

[Big T]

I will.

[PFT Commenter]

One of. One of the best cities in this country.

[Brace Belden]

It's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

It's incredible. Now I. Like, I was telling people you don't want to be in the. You know, was it Union Square area? No.

[Brace Belden]

Or 10?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And that's where lot of the hotels happen to be, but you. You get outside of that part of town. It's amazing. It's beautiful. Great food, great people.

[Brace Belden]

You walk around. It's awesome. It's. Yeah, it's. It's. Oh, my God, man. North Beach, Russian Hill to even Portola in the south. It's just. It's amazing.

[PFT Commenter]

Marin County. I went to visit my uncle's old house. He lived that about a block away from the corner of Haight and ashbury back in 1967 through 69. So he was like ground zero. Ground zero of. Of whatever was going on. That's where he was. And so I went to go visit his old house and walk past it, and then I walked down onto. Onto the main drag there, and I looked around. I was like, if you lived here during the late 60s, you would hate so very much what this street is right now.

[Brace Belden]

Oh, hate street. I will say this hate street has sucked since I was like, I could remember. It is always. It's like, no one I know, I've lived there. I've lived off of Haight Street. Lower hate is fine, but upper hate, like, where the hippie stuff is, it's just like a weird tourist trap. But it's also kind of weird to get to from other neighborhoods. It just sucks. It sucks up there, but everywhere else is pretty awesome. And there's pretty stuff around there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

But the hate street, like, sort of drag itself up there. Blows.

[PFT Commenter]

Designer furniture stores on Hayden's. Like, this is. This is pretty terrible right here. But the. That said, the entire neighborhood around it.

[Aaron]

Beautiful.

[PFT Commenter]

Awesome place.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

Brace, is there anything else. I know that you have to go. Is there anything else that you want to rip into real quick? Something that you've been caught up either with the Epstein files or a project that you're working on?

[Brace Belden]

Well, so I've been doing this on the on the ban and text and the Bannon interview with Epstein. And I think it's so sort of fascinating, the text that, that we see. And I, I've been kind of going through them one by one and trying to figure out all the context between behind all the stuff that they're talking about in here. And I think it sort of shows what Epstein is capable of doing at a real level, which is kind of more than I think I would have even surmised or thought prior to these, these messages coming out, which is that he has real connections with like, real prominent government officials throughout the world. I mean, the fact that Epstein is able to arrange a meeting between the Prime Minister of Austria and Steve Bannon itself is just. I mean, I think it's, it's, it's pretty incredible. And these, these meetings with the Saudis, these meetings with the, with the, the Emiratis and Epstein, Bannon kind of letting Epstein in on his like, weird nationalist internationalist project that he's doing in Europe where he's trying to like meet with alternative for Deutschland in Germany and all these sort of populist groups or radical right wing groups in other places. It's kind of interesting. And Epstein adopts in this role a sort of disinterested, apolitical observer and helper. And so he's just trying to be helpful to, to Bannon. And it is. One has to kind of wonder what he's getting out of this. And a lot of the times when the conversations turn to maybe touch your subjects, Epstein will automatically say, switch to phone. Like, yeah, not okay for text. And you know, it there. It speaks to something more major happening there, like a project actually happening here. And again, these people hung out together in person a number of times.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

And we just don't know what they talked about, but we can kind of get the contours or the outlines of it from, from these text messages. And it seems to be something pretty major. I think another thing too is Epstein's just his, his ability to, I don't know what, attract these, these people. Peter Thiel. Right. Like, Peter Thiel's involvement in Epstein is like so much more intense than was previously reported. He's always been rather vague about it or, or purposely vague about it. But it seems like at one point Epstein may have like gotten an investment or, excuse me, rather invested in, in Peter Thiel's fund or into one of his companies. I don't have the email in front of me right here. And he has these sort of financial links with all these People across, like, the world that. That does sort of show us. I mean, there is a international elite, which is not a secret, but that operate in this way with these strange little sort of like, nexuses, right? Like, Epstein had his guys. He had Boris Nikolaik. He had. He had Miroslav from. From the Slovak Republic, or rather Slovakia. He had, you know, like HBJ from the. The UAE or, excuse me, from Qatar. He had all of these guys that were kind of in his, like, circle that he was able to deploy at certain times. And like, his involvement in the. For instance, the. The Gulf crisis that happened, I think it was from 26, 2014 to maybe 2018, when Saudi Arabia had planned to saw Qatar off into the ocean. And it seems like Epstein is, like, doing some pretty crucial backdoor diplomacy in, within Gulf politics at this point. And you have to wonder, like, how he even got to that point where he had those connections and that trust from people.

[PFT Commenter]

The one audio clip that came out was he talking to Ehud Barack, where he was saying, like, you should look into this guy, Peter Thiel, and he runs this company called Palantir and was like, misspelling his name, misspelling the name of the company. It was still like, very new to him. But for some reason, Jeffrey had in his mind that, like, this guy is the future of all the stuff that you want to do, and he will be massively successful. I'm going to link you guys up, and then we can all kind of share in the fruits of this relationship as it grows together. And then just to follow up on the first thing that you said, where you're saying, like, Bannon going around with. With Epstein, meeting with all these foreign heads of state, people running for. For office in different countries, the way that you just kind of set that up, that seemed like the most sinister thing that. That I've ever heard. Like they were up to something. It sounds like it was big. It sounds like every country in the world is plotting something and we don't know what it is, so.

[Aaron]

Well, then, because Trump said. Trump recently said about Epstein, and they were. They didn't want to get me elected or something like that. And so to me, what from I've seen, it was kind of the opposite. But that's what I was thinking of. What you said when you first said it was like, okay, the. That you're working on, is it alluding to that kind of wanting to coerce or influence elections, things like that?

[Brace Belden]

Well, I mean, that was Bannon's whole goal, right? I mean, Bannon. Ban is the one who had sort of invented the Flood the Zone strategy. I wonder. And Bannon also. I mean, we can. We can. We have to take this into context with Bannon's other involvement with billionaires Miles Guo, who we love the rapping and raping Chinese dissident. Bannon was arrested on his yacht, and so it seems like Bannon was looking for benefactors and Epstein was one of them. And somebody, you know, he later found Miles, who of course helped him leak the bizarre Hunter Biden laptop stuff. Like, it's really strange how that story even happened in the first place. And then it all coming out on one of Miles Bo's weird Chinese websites. You know, it. It is. I don't know exactly what's happening. I'm trying to figure it out. I mean, there's. There's something kind of along those lines that I'm working on, too, with Epstein's development in Bitcoin. And I'm working on this with a. With a Coinbase journalist that I know because he was in there pretty early. I mean, he wasn't in there super early, but he was in there pretty early and. And seemingly involved in some infrastructure stuff, maybe some early Coinbase stuff. I think, again, I don't have it in front of me, and I kind of want to just figure out exactly what the story is. How does. How did. How did Epstein play a role in any of this stuff? What that might mean, if it means anything with Abandoned in particular, I don't know. I mean, it just seems like that. That Bannon excites Epstein in a way that few other people do. He gets really excited talking to Bannon, and it's like almost flirtatious in his. His dialogue with him, where he kind of calls him the devil or playfully teases and says, you know, you're like Hitler, but in a. In a sort of jocular, joking way. And I. I really just. The two men seem to have been very attracted to each other, and I want to know what that led to. And so I'm still in the fairly early stages of this project, but it's going to be a. I think a pretty. One of the longest podcast episodes ever made, even.

[PFT Commenter]

I've started to read the Tea Leaves a little bit about Bandit. He seems like he has become Persona non grata. Like they.

[Brace Belden]

I don't know, he keeps.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I. I go by what Cat Turd says and Cat Turd I said I had. Now I have to turn my back. Like that scene in Goodfellas, where was it? Paulie hands him like 400 bucks and says, now I gotta wash my hands of you. Cat turd, I think, has officially abandoned Steve Bannon. So that to me says PFT's Mount.

[Aaron]

Rushmore of Truth so far includes cat turd and Dan Bongino. Well, it's a good list.

[Brace Belden]

We're going pft. We don't need cat turd anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's true.

[Brace Belden]

We don't eat cat turd.

[Big T]

That's true.

[Brace Belden]

I, you know, it is. It is. Bannon is, is in a strange place because again, he's like, still he has Trump officials on. During the election, he had a bunch of Trump people who would later serve in the Trump cabinet on, you know, in, in the war room. I think they're one of Rumble's biggest shows. He's still really plugged in on the right wing ecosystem. I think he's still getting charged. I don't know if those are state or federal charges, but his fraud thing where he ripped off a bunch of people who gave him money to build the wall and he just pocketed it. I think he's, he's awaiting a pardon from, from Trump or at least if it's state charges, then pressure from, from whoever to pardon him. You know, he's been going around, he gives these sort of scary interviews that, oh, Trump, you know, we have a plan for the third term. I think he's kind of bullshitting there, but, but he's definitely trying to ingratiate himself back into the Trump orbit. But it's also like maybe he never left. It was one of those spy who came in from the cold situations where he was sort of exiled. But it's like, actually you have to go do your work in secret out there. I don't know. But, but certainly at the time that this relationship with Epstein was at its height, his star had not fallen as far as it's fallen today. And so, you know, I do got to wonder, like, what, you know, going so immediately from Trump to Epstein is just, and the fact that he talks so much about Trump with Epstein and then Trump has presumably been made aware of some of this stuff. He just doesn't really seem to care. I mean, he, the day that some of this stuff came out, he actually had, he posted a picture of Bannon at the White House on True Social.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. He does not care. I think he's, he doesn't have any reason to care. Like, as, as far as he is concerned, nothing's, nothing's going to happen to him. He'll be, he'll end up being fine, he'll find somebody else to take the fall for it and then if he does, like lose midterms, then he'll figure out who to blame at that point. But yeah, I, I don't, I don't think that I'm, I'm pessimistic that there will be any actual consequences for anybody that are in the United States that are in the files. I think that there's some motion going on in Europe and some other countries that are actually following up on some of the leads and they'll be prosecuting. I don't think that any of the elites in the United States are going to end up facing any true consequences for anything that that's in this contained dump of files.

[Brace Belden]

I don't think so either.

[Aaron]

Can you give us a sneak preview of what you've accumulated or are you saving that, putting, leaving that in a whole the bandits?

[Brace Belden]

I, I, I, I'm still still working on it. Are you talking about with the ban and stuff?

[Aaron]

No, I'm just talking about in general because you said you've been working on this project and, or I think it's Pocket.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, yeah. Or it's going to be a little, maybe a video podcast thing. I don't know because it's going to be some, some of it is. I'm just going through the.

[Aaron]

Give us a little chick fil a sample.

[Brace Belden]

I do want to, I'm, I've, I've been trying to ask people and in interview people, which I'm still waiting on, on some responses for that on what Bannon might have been getting up to in Saudi Arabia and any of his golf links. But again, it's all, it's still pretty earliest stages. I've just been trying to like get all of the stuff in front of me and read through it and I just started going through the text messages, not even the emails, with sort of a, in annotating each of them with which maybe I'll try to do also like put out some annotated version of them and, and give the context for those. But, you know, it's, you know, you guys know that, that this is completely not what I'm working on. But Bannon was, you know, Biodome.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

You know, I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

What is that?

[Brace Belden]

There's a, oh, there's an awesome movie. I think it's called Biodome.

[PFT Commenter]

It is Poly Shore.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah. Polly Shore is in it and, and boy, that's a horny guy in real life. But, but it was like an experiment of a biodome it was like a dome where they had these different, you know, ecological systems in there, and people lived in there and studied them, and they didn't leave. Bannon's company eventually bought it, and Bannon was actually the person who shut it down. And so they saw Bannon's face on the screen being like, biodome's over. You guys got to be out by the end of the day. It was a real thing. And then they made the joke. Movie was kind of. Or the comedy movie was about it, and. Fellas, I gotta go.

[PFT Commenter]

Brace, next time, we gotta talk more about the ranch, because I feel like we haven't talked.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah, we didn't even talk about the ranch. And then, you know, they knew. Never rated Zoro Ranch.

[PFT Commenter]

They never raided it. And now the.

[Brace Belden]

They never raided it.

[PFT Commenter]

Now the noobs are starting to find out about. About Zoro Ranch. You're. You're a Day One ranch head.

[Big T]

I don't even know.

[Brace Belden]

I'm a Day One rancher, dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you've been. You've been talking about the ranch. You've had time.

[Brace Belden]

Oh, Zoro. Big T. We got to take it out of the ranch. They're turning into a Christian retreat, which we respect. We love that.

[Big T]

That's nice.

[Brace Belden]

Although Christians should never retreat. It should be a Christian advance. But we. We.

[Aaron]

We.

[Brace Belden]

It is. Yeah, it is. That's kind of where he seems to be. And especially its proximity to the Santa Fe Institute. It seems where he, like, wanted to turn it into kind of his lab.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. To. To populate the earth with his progeny and.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Do, like, actual. Actual evil scientist experiments. All right, Brace, thank you for your time. We love you, and it's always nice. I like seeing you on other podcasts. It makes me want you more. So I'm like. I opened up YouTube, and then you're talking to. You're talking to Sam Cedar, and I'm like, he doesn't. He doesn't treat you like. I.

[Brace Belden]

That's crazy that after a Jewish holiday.

[Aaron]

That was a fun collab for me, because I. With Majority Report.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

I watched. I've been watching it for years, and I seen you, and I was like, look at this, my man.

[Brace Belden]

But, fellas, you know what? I. I got some ideas, man. Why don't I get a few emails together? We'll do another one of these.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Brace Belden]

And we can go through some.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's go, Zorro. Let's see. Let's. Do I need to learn about just.

[Aaron]

A monthly annual Epsilon file?

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. All right. Thanks, Bryce. See Ya, my dog.

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[PFT Commenter]

Advice advisor Braces Brace is the best. I was texting with him yesterday to set this up and he was like, yeah, what kind of updates you want to talk about? I was like, pretty much anything that's happened the last two weeks. And then we started talking about the report that came out that the FBI investigated somebody that made an accusation about Trump that was found credible. And I was like, yeah, that was my brother's report. And he's like, oh, that's your brother? I was like, yeah. And so we, we talked about that a little bit. That's, that's a wild one because so little transparency behind the scenes. My brother hit me up on like Sunday or Saturday and he was like, have you seen this in the Epstein files? I was like, no. He just sent me a PowerPoint that the FBI put together themselves and there's like an, a PowerPoint presentation of why Epstein's being prosecuted, why Maxwell's being prosecuted. And one of the reasons, one of the witnesses, why they're prosecuting them is also a witness that implicated Trump in something. So the government is in a weird place where they can't call that witness unreliable because to do so would mean that their case against Maxwell was unreliable. So they would have to almost throw out that conviction if they were to admit that this. And it's all, it's all in the files. Like, it's not like this is based on any sourcing or talking. That's just like an example of how there's so much that's been dumped out there that there's just not enough time to go through it.

[Aaron]

Yeah, it's going to take years to parse through all this. Wasn't the Original why he started first.

[Big T]

Getting.

[Aaron]

Probed was because two girls in high school got in a fight for calling one like a.

[PFT Commenter]

Or whatever the case may be.

[Aaron]

And. And they figured out why is because she was going to the Epstein Island.

[Big T]

Really?

[Aaron]

Or the Epstein place.

[Brace Belden]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

So that she was going over there and they found, I think she was getting money for it, maybe giving. Giving Epstein massages or something like that.

[E]

She. And then, sorry, two girls got in a fight. One called the other a prostitute. The school went through her wallet and found $300 in cash. And then it was found that it was from Jeffrey Epstein. And about, I believe, 15 other girls in that school were also being victimized in whatever way by Epstein. And that was in, I believe, 2006, which tipped them off. And that was kind of the. Yeah, it goes to show the straw that broke the camel's back in a.

[Aaron]

Weird way, if we have mean girls.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Mean girls set this whole off. So call your fellow student classmates.

[Brace Belden]

Horse.

[Aaron]

You never know what you're gonna uncover.

[E]

Yeah, that was a big. That's kind of like a big tipping point. And then there's like we. The Zorro ranch thing.

[PFT Commenter]

You got to get up to speed.

[Big T]

I'm just looking at it right now. This is the first I've ever heard of.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. He had a ranch out in the middle of nowhere that was set up to be like a futuristic laboratory for like eugenics and designer children and all sorts of crazy shit.

[E]

Am I making this up? Did Alan Dershowitz have something big to do with that? Or am I. Am I maybe just.

[PFT Commenter]

Alan Dershowitz is very. A very litigious man.

[E]

I understand.

[PFT Commenter]

So I will say that Alan Dershowitz has been in the news a lot recently in regards to the Jeffrey Epstein situations.

[E]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

And that Alan Dershowitz did not, I repeat, did not take off his underwear during the massage. He's been very clear about that. The underwear stayed on. If that's what you were going to ask. Let me stop you right there, but thank you. The underwear stayed on.

[Big T]

Aryan, this Zorro ranch not too far from where you grew up, huh?

[Aaron]

If you were to create a sex trafficking eugenics paradise, that is a beautiful place to do it.

[Big T]

Weather looks great in the picture.

[Aaron]

I'm seeing new Mexic New Mexico. Landscape is gorgeous. The sunsets, the sunrises, the.

[PFT Commenter]

The.

[Aaron]

The. The topography. It. It is gorgeous place to go, like, for, like with landfill places, low foot traffic. It's. It's a beautiful place.

[PFT Commenter]

It's be.

[Aaron]

It's a horrible place to grow up. Because there's not a lot of.

[PFT Commenter]

To do.

[Aaron]

But for like adults, it's a great little easy. Easy town to.

[PFT Commenter]

To.

[Aaron]

To go away from.

[PFT Commenter]

Why don't more people live there? There's no. There's.

[Aaron]

There's nothing drawn into it. It's desert. There's no professional sports teams. There's no attractions. It is the center of a big drug trafficking, though, because it's the center of I25 and I40. So a lot of drugs travel through there. So growing up, I was. I was around lots of drugs. I thought it was normal, but apparently it was not.

[PFT Commenter]

What are the. What are the top places? If you look at a map of the United States that make you wonder, why don't more people live in this area?

[Big T]

I mean, you're pretty much limited to like, here west. Right? Because east of here people do live pretty much.

[PFT Commenter]

People be living.

[Aaron]

I would say I could go the opposite. Why do people.

[PFT Commenter]

I would say, like, yeah, I've got.

[Big T]

A couple for you.

[PFT Commenter]

The intersection of North Carolina, Tennessee. Why don't more people live there?

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, that is the most beautiful part of America.

[PFT Commenter]

There you go.

[Aaron]

Tennessee is gorgeous.

[Big T]

But I mean, people live there. I guess it's not big cities or anything. Anything.

[PFT Commenter]

More people should live there.

[Big T]

Yeah. No, stop.

[PFT Commenter]

It sucks. Don't go there.

[Big T]

Stop. I want to be able to live there someday. So stop going there.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, so where. What's your number one? Why do people live here?

[Big T]

I mean, New York City, if you're.

[PFT Commenter]

Not rich, you live there.

[Big T]

I. That's how I have perspective to wonder why people do it.

[PFT Commenter]

I think a lot of people pull a big T and they're like, yeah, my work's taking me here. This sucks. I don't want to live here anymore. Then they move.

[Big T]

I feel like the sentiment that of living in New York City and not liking it is. Is uncommon.

[PFT Commenter]

Really?

[Big T]

I think so.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe it's just the people.

[Big T]

I got in an argument with Bailey Carlin about this one time. Bailey Carmen was who he, you know, loves New York City. And he was like, there's a reason every person in Nebraska dreams of living in New York City. And I'm like, well, I live here. Kind of stinks. Be honest with you.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I also think that that's very much like a Disney Ification of New York. Like, everyone that grows up in small town, like an Omaha suburb, every boy grows up dreaming of the bright lights of Broadway. I want to make it to the big city. Pop. I want to be on the stage. Pop. Now you're gonna. You're gonna learn to. To ranch these cattle like your grandpappy. But pop, I've got a gift. I want to share it with the world. Like, there's some people that want to live in New York, but I don't think that it's like. Not everyone's obsessed with your city, right? It's a fine city. It's actually a good city. I. I like it. I don't want to live there. But there's. You can't really knock what New York has in terms of, like, all the stuff it's got.

[Big T]

Everything does have everything.

[PFT Commenter]

Do anything that you want in New York City, Chicago.

[Big T]

There are plenty of negatives. I do see why people.

[Aaron]

And golf in the winter.

[Big T]

Huh?

[Aaron]

Can't golf in the winter.

[Big T]

But I hate. Look at me today.

[PFT Commenter]

Shorts.

[Big T]

Got the shorts on, short sleeves. 60, baby.

[Aaron]

Go get you some sound.

[Big T]

I wonder if the driving range is open.

[PFT Commenter]

Might be maybe talking.

[Big T]

I. I haven't been out west that much, so I can't. You know, I don't have that perspective.

[PFT Commenter]

The Oregon coast, to me, seems like a. A lot of real estate. Why don't people live there?

[Big T]

Rains every day.

[Brace Belden]

It's.

[Aaron]

It has like the least amount of sunshine days, right? It's very cloudy. That can be a drain on people. I know a lot of people. I am not like this because I love the overcast. A lot of people, their mood is kind of tied to sunshine. Mine isn't. I feel like it's mother putting a little blanket over me and tucking me in. I enjoy it. But most people are like, you know, I need sunshine. I feel dreary. I feel bad. High suicide rates.

[Big T]

I would have said I was unaffected by that until I moved here. And then you get one 60 degree day in February and it feels like my entire life has changed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I haven't seen the sun in four months.

[Aaron]

I ain't black Old son, won't you come?

[Big T]

That's interesting. We all thought of a different sons. I was thinking ain't no sunshine when she's gone.

[PFT Commenter]

And I was thinking Kid Rock.

[E]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And you were thinking Soundgarden.

[Aaron]

What's, what's, what's. What's a Kid Rock, son?

[PFT Commenter]

Picture with shell Crow.

[Aaron]

Can't say that I've heard it.

[PFT Commenter]

Been fueling up on cocaine and whiskey. Yeah. It's a good song. Good tune. I would say, why don't more people live just in. In. I know there's a lot of people that live there, but San Diego should have more.

[Aaron]

Nah, they got enough people.

[PFT Commenter]

San Diego everyone should want to live in San Diego.

[Aaron]

Beautiful, beautiful little. Beautiful little gym and not a lot.

[Brace Belden]

Of people know about.

[PFT Commenter]

So that was. That was a fun conversation with Brace. I love bracelet.

[Aaron]

I am.

[PFT Commenter]

I am always happy to see him on whatever podcast because he is a. He's a delight. Smart guy. And I can't wait to get into the Zora Ranch. Any last words for today's episode of Macrodosing?

[Big T]

Goodbye.

[PFT Commenter]

Love, you guys.