Celebrity Kidnappings & the Business of Ransom | Feb 12, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing Podcast Summary

Episode: Celebrity Kidnappings & the Business of Ransom

Hosts: Arian Foster, Big T, Maddie, Eric
Date: February 12, 2026

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Overview

This episode, intended as a deep dive into celebrity kidnappings and the business of ransom, is classic Macrodosing: what begins with a loose check-in flows into broad, humorous banter and eventually settles into a detailed, conspiratorial, and sometimes philosophical examination of real-life kidnappings, ransom economics, and tangential tales from sports and pop culture. The hosts discuss recent and historic high-profile abductions, the ethics and logistics of paying ransoms, the role of police and media, and the strangeness of existence itself. As always, their signature off-beat humor and lively debates are present throughout.

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Episode Highlights

1. Valentine’s Day and Modern Dating (03:05 - 22:00)

• The crew opens by exchanging plans for Valentine’s Day and gripes about modern restaurant reservations, complaining about prepaid “personal seat licenses” for high-demand nights.
• They launch into a debate about who should pay on first dates, delving into gender roles, social expectations, and the etiquette (or fakery) of the “fake wallet reach.”
  • Big T: “First date, man should pay every single time. Second and third also, but if you’re dating someone ... then she can, if she wants to pay for something, then that’s great.” (09:31)
  • Arian Foster: “I always pay and always will, but I just don’t think I should have to.” (08:39)
• Maddie offers the women’s perspective: more effort and risk are put into dating as a woman.
• The “love languages” concept gets scrutinized—Arian loves acts of service and critiques the original book as poorly written but culturally widespread.
  • Arian: “It’s one of the worst written books I’ve ever read ... but I think it’s a good little gauge.” (16:23)
• Spirited exchange about gifts, what means “romantic effort,” and why Arian throws away Christmas cards immediately:
  • Arian: “Don’t send me your Christmas cards. I’m just going to throw it away.” (21:13)

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2. Current Events: News, Lasers, and Government Dysfunction (23:27 - 36:00)

• Arian announces he’s deleted Twitter and asks about alternative news sources, leading to reviews of Apple News.
• Big T details a bizarre incident: El Paso International Airport’s airspace was closed after a suspected Mexican cartel drone incursion, later revealed to be a laser test (possibly over a party balloon).
  • “So it seems ... they shot down a balloon thinking it was a Mexican cartel drone.” (25:34)
• The group muses about secret U.S. military technology (“Do you think we could have invisibility cloaks?” —Arian, 26:42).
• The discussion moves to U.S. politics after referencing a tense congressional hearing about the Epstein files:
  • Maddie and Arian agree the spectacle is “political theater” and lament the poisonous political climate:
    • Arian: “We just need to wash and get everybody that’s currently in politics out. Let’s start over.” (28:47)
• Reflection on whether there could ever be a “unifier” in US politics again, with both Arian and Big T expressing deep skepticism.

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3. The Epstein Files, Ransoms, and Cover-ups (36:00 - 44:00)

• Big T recounts Trump’s alleged phone call in 2006 distancing himself from Epstein and implicating Ghislaine Maxwell.
• The hosts express doubts about the depth of institutional involvement and the likelihood of the truth ever surfacing.
  • Arian: “From all the resources of these higher-ups that are doing this, this has been a really sloppy ass cover up.” (41:38)
• They review reports that crucial security footage from Epstein’s cell was intentionally erased.
• Big T drops advanced vocabulary (“metastasized,” “deluge”), leading to a humorous mini-lesson on word meanings.
  • Arian: “I’m going to use it three times a day ... My toilet bowl is going to metastasize with boo boo.” (39:18, 39:29)

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4. Philosophy: Existence, Consciousness, and Time (57:01 - 64:17)

• Deep existential musings: Arian ponders the randomness of existence, consciousness, and the odds of being alive.
• The gang touches on time, memory, and sleep:
  • Arian: “You don’t ever think that this is just weird? Like, we’re just thrust into existence. And what even is existence?” (57:39)
  • Big T: “I would be scared to go to sleep because ... I’m asleep for eight hours, but it doesn’t register to me as any time.” (61:57)
• They refer to movies like Inception and Inside Out as springboards for their thoughts.
• Reflections on the five-year anniversary of Macrodosing.

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5. Main Topic: Celebrity Kidnappings & Business of Ransom (67:41 - 122:47)

The Nancy Guthrie Case (68:24 - 86:57)

• The disappearance of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie’s mother, Nancy, is analyzed in detail.
• Ransom notes were sent to TMZ, demanding bitcoin; the family offered to pay and posted a public video, possibly using coded language on FBI instruction.
• Ring (Nest) doorbell video showed a masked intruder, retrieved even though the subscription had lapsed—leading to debates about surveillance and privacy.
  • Arian: “I operate in a way that is always thinking that somebody’s watching ... That’s just how I live my life.” (73:20)
• FBI tracked Bitcoin wallets and transactions as part of the investigation.
• Ransom demands: $6 million in Bitcoin. The group debates the morality and practicality of paying ransoms for kidnapped loved ones, especially for elderly parents.
  • Arian: (Joking, before relenting) “If it’s seven figures and my mom is 84 ... I don’t know.” (87:07; later confirms he would pay.)
• The dangers of extortion frauds (third parties offering tips for bitcoin), and how law enforcement responds.

Ransom Mechanics & Famous Kidnapping Cases (103:17+)

• Discussion of historic ransom strategies (marking bills, plotting delivery, serial numbers, the FBI's methods pre-digital era).
• Exploration of the Frank Sinatra Jr. (1963), Charles Lindbergh baby (1932), and Kim Kardashian (Paris, 2016) cases.
  • On Sinatra Jr.: “He offered more than quadruple [the ransom]. He offered a million.” (104:13)
  • Lindbergh case triggers a tangent on “world’s greatest crime hoax website” and the world of amateur web sleuths.
• Kim Kardashian’s Paris ordeal is recounted, with attention to celebrity vulnerability, security measures, and the “Grandpa Robbers” gang.
• References to unsolved high-profile cases (JonBenet Ramsey, Madeleine McCann) and their rumored links (sometimes conspiratorial) to larger criminal or Epstein-related networks.

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6. Offbeat Debates & Pop Culture Shoutouts

• The hosts riff on everything from favorite words and numbers (juxtaposition, serendipity) to Bitcoin and NFT scams.
  • “I've never been more right than that whole craze ... it was the dumbest shit I think I’ve ever witnessed live.” —Big T on NFTs (97:46)
• Memories about sports jersey retirements, athlete superstitions, and notable NFL player stories (Michael Irvin, Roddy White).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “I always pay and always will, but I just don’t think I should have to.” — Arian Foster (08:39)
• "The only criteria for this podcast is that we tickle your brain." — Show ethos, demonstrated throughout
• "From all the resources of these higher-ups that are doing this, this has been a really sloppy ass cover up." — Arian Foster on Epstein (41:38)
• "I would be scared to go to sleep because ... I’m asleep for eight hours, but it doesn’t register to me as any time." — Big T (61:57)
• "I operate in a way that is always thinking that somebody’s watching ... That’s just how I live my life." — Arian Foster (73:20)
• "If it’s seven figures and my mom is 84 ... I don’t know." (Joking) — Arian Foster, on ransom limits (87:07)

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• [03:05] – Opening banter on Valentine’s Day, first date economics
• [16:11] – Breakdown of love languages and book critique
• [23:27] – Deleting Twitter, switching to Apple News
• [24:23] – El Paso airport closure and military laser tech
• [27:13] – Conspiracies, Epstein discussion, government dysfunction
• [57:01] – Philosophy of existence and time
• [67:41] – Introduction to the main topic: celebrity kidnappings
• [68:24] – Nancy Guthrie case: details, theories, privacy debate
• [76:00] – Debate on paying ransom, government’s role
• [103:17] – Frank Sinatra Jr. kidnapping, Lindbergh case review
• [116:13] – Other famous kidnappings (Kim Kardashian, JonBenet Ramsey, Madeleine McCann)

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Memorable Moments

• The “fake wallet reach” as a recurring dating etiquette theme—playful but revealing of modern dating politics.
• Vocabulary lessons (metastasize, deluge, juxtaposition) woven into the kidnapping narrative.
• Extended existential tangent: “This is a very weird situation we’re all in ... but we kind of just going about our day.” — Arian Foster (57:52)
• A recurring thread: Would you pay a $6 million ransom for your 84-year-old mother? Hilarity (and tenderness) ensues as Arian navigates between humor and heart.

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode blends irreverence, curiosity, and genuine philosophical inquiry. While the kidnapping topic is serious, the hosts maintain their signature tone: skeptical, humorous, and honest, mixing cold-case intrigue, real-life ethical dilemmas, and sprawling sidebars. If you want an episode that surveys true crime, modern anxieties, viral moments, and the absurdities of being alive in 2026, this is quintessential Macrodosing.

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Transcript

[Arian Foster]

Hey macrodosing listeners.

[Big T]

You can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple podcast, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

[Intro Host]

What's up guys? It's Big Cat and Hank here and the countdown to the biggest game of the season is on. Hank, how are you feeling about PFT potentially owing you $80,000 for the big game?

[Arian Foster]

I feel so good. I feel so confident. I feel so excited that I already.

[Big T]

Went out and stocked my fridge with twisted tea.

[Arian Foster]

So I'm ready for the big game.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Intro Host]

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[Big T]

She did. She did make fun of my University of Tennessee credit card which I which I didn't appreciate.

[Maddie]

Joke's on her. Now she's getting married and now she's.

[Big T]

Driving six hours to Lexington, Kentucky to get yelled at by toothless yokels after blowing a 14 point lead. Lot of big T believers in Lexington though shout out to those people pregame. Everyone was very nice pregame postgame. There were two problems.

[Maddie]

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[Big T]

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[Arian Foster]

Welcome back, good people of the US and they and other places. Where's our most like, outlandish listener base? Like, we got listeners in, you know, X country or place.

[Big T]

I remember one time when the. The Spotify data came out, we had some in. It might have been Latvia, somewhere like Eastern European.

[Maddie]

We have a couple from like New Zealand, Australia, I think.

[Eric]

I don't.

[Arian Foster]

We didn't get.

[Maddie]

Technically, that's really far away.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out to the. The Macadosians in New Zealand. Well, anywho, it's February 12th. Valentine's Day is upon us. You got any yelling, any plans? Valentine's. Valentine's Day plan?

[Big T]

No, I do.

[Arian Foster]

What you.

[Big T]

What you got?

[Arian Foster]

What you got cooking, Big T?

[Big T]

We are going to some new Italian restaurant that's recently opened here that's I guess, all the. The rage. But by the time I booked it, you know these restaurants now, Aaron, you can't. If you want to go to a restaurant on Valentine's Day, you can't just make a reservation. You have to buy a ticket to give you the opportunity to spend more money at their restaurant. This is what these people are doing now.

[Arian Foster]

So what? Explain it.

[Big T]

So you have to buy a ticket saying basically the ticket is your. Like, I pledge to spend $50 at your restaurant. I pledge. So it's. It's a personal seat license for restaurants. So yeah. So. But by the time I booked it in January, they only had tables for three available. Which. Why do you even have tables for three on Valentine's Day? Maybe that's something people are doing now. I don't know. But. So I had no we don't kick shame.

[Arian Foster]

This is a kink shame free podcast.

[Maddie]

So I had the polyamorous community.

[Big T]

I had to buy a three top table for Valentine's Day with three tickets. So I have to spend $150 on this dinner, which probably that would have cost that anyway. I guess.

[Arian Foster]

What's a reasonable price or a date night for a nice.

[Big T]

With whom?

[Arian Foster]

This is a lady. Okay, fair question. This is a lady you're courting. Lady.

[Big T]

You're courting.

[Arian Foster]

What's a. Huh.

[Big T]

I mean, I think it. The. By the number of data, it changes. First date, I would say no more than $80.

[Arian Foster]

Okay.

[Maddie]

Fourth.

[Big T]

I think it goes up by maybe 20% each time.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Big T]

Maybe 25%. All right.

[Arian Foster]

Your first. Okay. It's the date that you're going to ask her out to be your girl.

[Big T]

Then. Then. Yeah. Then. Then that's like a nice dinner at a nice restaurant, you know, 200. I don't know.

[Arian Foster]

Got you. Okay. So the first date, you spending $80. Where y' all going?

[Eric]

Drinks.

[Big T]

So there's a. There's a new thing that I've noticed online, which is that I. And I think this is the proliferation of dating apps. People won't go to dinner on a first date anymore. Like, it's. It's expressly forbidden. And I think it comes from guys being scared that they're being used just for like a free dinner.

[Arian Foster]

You know, I'm with him though, so.

[Big T]

I think people exclusively almost go to bars or mini golf or something for a first date.

[Maddie]

I don't know.

[Arian Foster]

I'll keep it a bit. I. I'm all for chivalry.

[Big T]

Oh, don't agree. Don't have a bad take here.

[Arian Foster]

This is what bae. It's bad take. It's a bad take. Why the fuck am I all. Why do I gotta pay for dinner all the time?

[Big T]

Well, not all the time.

[Maddie]

$40 million.

[Arian Foster]

But we both gotta eat. I'm just responsible for your nourishment because I could run a football. Well.

[Big T]

I would say the male is responsible for that, period.

[Arian Foster]

I see why.

[Maddie]

I've heard women explain it like this, where as the woman has to inherently. And I'm not saying that you two are part of this problem. I am just saying men, if you're meeting someone for a first date and you've never met them, say you met on Hinge or Tinder or Bumble and you're going on a first date. There is a lack of familiarity with that person in terms of. Men can be dangerous sometimes. So you're already putting your trust into this person not harming you. One, two. Women have to put in on average more effort. They have. They get their. Or they do their hair, they do their makeup, they get. They have more of an outfit. They are putting more on the line for the date than you are. So you then must pay. I am not. I'm just saying that's what people say.

[Eric]

That's the.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Would you agree with me?

[Eric]

That's what people say that are like dramatic about it. Yes.

[Arian Foster]

So their argument is this is an investment and I need some of my investment back.

[Maddie]

Not even an investment, but more. I'm reaching my neck out farther than the man is in this situation. So therefore you should pay.

[Big T]

I think it's just the correct thing to do.

[Maddie]

It's just the right thing to do.

[Arian Foster]

Also, I always pay and always will, but I just don't think that I should have to. I think how it should work is.

[Eric]

I honestly agree with Arian on a.

[Arian Foster]

First date, split it. Like, why can't we sp. We both, we both have a drinks. If I. I'll get my drinks because you don't have to pay for my drink because the drinks can. I mean, I was at the dinner the other day, I was like, is it $30 for a drink? Like, come on, fam. It's ridiculous. But like, so I'm not going to put that on you. But like the meals, let's just split, let's just split it in half.

[Big T]

So hang on, hang on, hang on. So you go to dinner, you get an appetizer, you both get something. You get a dessert and drinks. You're going to tell the waiter, hey, I've got the drinks, but then the rest of this. Can you split? You would do that?

[Arian Foster]

No, I told you if, If I have my wife.

[Big T]

But in your, in your ideal situation.

[Arian Foster]

If my ideal situation, yes. I want to date a woman that's like, let's just split it.

[Big T]

Well, that's that what. Which is what I started to say. First date, man should pay every single time. Second and third also, if you. But if you're dating someone.

[Maddie]

Yeah. In a full relationship and she's like.

[Big T]

I want to pay for this. Like, okay, if that's your, your girlfriend or your wife or I guess for wife, it's all the same money anyway.

[Arian Foster]

Me, I think it should be the opposite. Once we together, you don't go, I got you.

[Maddie]

Like, I think. But that's what.

[Big T]

Well, for the most part still. Yeah.

[Maddie]

Yeah. But I think people are saying, like, women want you to prove that you would be like that early on. She doesn't want to have to like, wait.

[Arian Foster]

I think that's where it comes from. And this is why I disagree with it, because I have to prove my fuck that. You know what I mean?

[Maddie]

I mean, that's what dating is.

[Arian Foster]

You proved me. Why do I, Why am I, Why.

[Big T]

The fuck am I on trial?

[Arian Foster]

That's it don't make no sense to me. If, if we, if we first dating, we should split it because we Both and if. And it's not about the money, right? Because it's like, if it's something that you can't afford, we don't need to eat there. I'm not an expensive. I don't have an expensive taste. Let's go somewhere we both can afford. I'm cool with that. That's fine. But if you. If we, if we choosing to go on a date, let's just split it. And then if, If I, if. If this kicks off and you my girl. No, no, don't reach this, this all on me.

[Maddie]

I think sometimes forever also will say, whoever asked to go on the date should pay. So like if Aryan, you asked the woman to go on the date, you should pay because you're offering the invite. But let's say Mackenzie or I went up to a fella at a bar and said, let's go to drinks on Thursday, I should pay because I offered the date up. What do you think about that? It's like invite based.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know. I think that's another silly game.

[Big T]

I just don't.

[Arian Foster]

Because if I agree, I agree. So I, I am partaking in the decision to go. I should pay my way.

[Big T]

I understand your position of, of split it first and then if we're dating, whatever, I'll take care of you. But. But just pragmatically, why not flip it? It's the same amount of money. Theoretically.

[Arian Foster]

No, because I guess because over the long haul. Yeah, because it's not. It's not about the money to me. It's about what the dude. What those dudes are kind of protesting. It sounds like a lot of women. It's almost like an entitlement that I see, you know, And I'm single, so I'd be dating, so I see a lot of women. They'll be like, entitled and so like, we'll go to dinner and they don't even when the check comes, they just. It's. It's not even a thought. I'm not paying for this. And it's like, what makes you like, why can't you even attempt to be like, hey, you wanna. No, no, I got it. You know what I'm saying? That would make me feel better.

[Big T]

No, I do appreciate a face.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I do. The fake.

[Big T]

Oh, no. On my first day with my fiance, she pretended and I was like, stop, stop, sweetheart.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I do.

[Arian Foster]

But that at least shows me that you understand that I am paying and you're appreciative and that type shit. I've been on dates with Girls where they don't even say, hey, I appreciate the meal. I'm just like, well, that's.

[Maddie]

That's rude.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's. That's different.

[Maddie]

But, yeah, I do the. I do the reach behind for the purse and they go, no, no, no. And then I go, yeah, but I.

[Arian Foster]

Also, I appreciate the reach.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I reach.

[Big T]

No, I like it. Because then that also gives you the opportunity to be like, hey, knock that off.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, it's good for everybody involved.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

So, ladies, she did.

[Big T]

She did make fun of my University of Tennessee credit card, which I. Which I didn't appreciate jokes on her.

[Maddie]

Now she's getting married and now she's.

[Big T]

Driving six hours to Lexington, Kentucky to get yelled at by toothless yokels after blowing a 14 point lead. A lot of Big T believers in Lexington, though, shout out to those people. Pregame, everyone was very nice. Post game, there were two problems.

[Arian Foster]

I'm unaware of what you're talking about.

[Big T]

We went to the UT Kentucky game on Saturday and we blew a 14 point lead and lost. And there were. There were two on the way out of the arena that said some very unsavory things that I was just gonna keep walking. She was ready to yell at somebody, period. And I was like, we just, just go. Because she's the biggest believer at the.

[Maddie]

End of the day.

[Big T]

Yeah. But they didn't even know. They weren't yelling at me as Big T. They just saw two Tennessee fans and were saying terrible stuff. Stuff. But that's fine.

[Arian Foster]

Ryder. Love that.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

For the record, you know what I'm saying, You cheating. I always pay. I always do. I just don't think that I should have to. I will do it, though.

[Maddie]

It's hard. It's hard for you because you also are extremely wealthy. It's a hard look if you're like, want to split.

[Eric]

Well, I also get your, like, sentiment because people know you have money.

[Maddie]

Yeah. All of a sudden I got.

[Eric]

So I got bread.

[Maddie]

I gotta share the bread.

[Eric]

They could easily be doing it.

[Maddie]

You know what I mean?

[Big T]

But like.

[Arian Foster]

But I'm thinking. But I'm thinking for the common man too. Right?

[Eric]

Right.

[Arian Foster]

I'm not even thinking about just for me. I'm thinking about for, you know, somebody who. Making a modest living. You gonna put all that on him? You don't want to help out at all?

[Big T]

I think it's different. What I think you're describing is women who maybe, like, expect that or say, like, if you don't do this, whatever, but if you. I think a guy should Want to do that. And it should be, you know, understood that, like, listen, first couple dates, I got it. And then if we're dating, then she can. If she wants to pay for something, then that's great.

[Maddie]

My favorite move is, like, go on a date. Man pays. I go, let's go get a sweet treat. We go get ice cream, baby. I got you. Let me put. Let me put my card down for the scoop of ice cream again.

[Arian Foster]

Nice little. Nice little reverse card right there.

[Maddie]

I go, oh, you got that 150. I'll get you that $10.

[Arian Foster]

It. It is. It is extremely attractive when a woman pays for something. I like that because, again, it's. It's not about the money. It's because one of my. What they call the love languages is acts of service. I'm an act of service guy. So it's like, I look at it like, if you like, if you look at the I'm going through in my life, and you're like, I want to take some burden off of you just so you have a little easier time here. I love that. That means a lot to me. So if somebody's like, hey, hold on, I'm gonna get this meal, that's like, it ain't even about the money. It's just, like, what I'm going through. And I appreciate you trying to ease my life a little bit. I love Big T. What are you. What are the love languages? What are yours?

[Big T]

Thank you for bringing that up, because I have a question about this.

[Arian Foster]

Okay.

[Big T]

I. I had never heard of this stuff until maybe three or four years ago, and now it's everywhere. Where did this come from? It's a book, right?

[Arian Foster]

It is, and I'll tell you, it is one of the worst written books I've ever read. Not gonna lie. And I don't think that it's, like, ironclad. And this is what. Everybody falls in this category. I think it's a melting pot of how you love and how you want to be loved. But I think, for the most part, I think it generally, it gives you a general idea of how to love or describing how people love. And so there's acts of service, quality time, receiving gifts, words of affirmation, and physical touch. And I'm sure there's. There's. There's. There's more ways to love, and there's more ways to be loved, but I think that's a good, like, little baseline. But the book is very bad. It's. It's. It's. I don't know what It. It just. I remember it being like, what? This is so bad. But I think it's a good little gauge on how to. How to love. Like, so, like, if. If somebody, like, really. It's really important for them to, like, spend quality time, and that's really important to them. I think understanding that in a partner and that, you don't look at it like that, but understanding how somebody else loves it gives you a good baseline. Okay. Like, I can't be in this, like, a. Selfishly. I can't just give her the love on how I love. I have to understand how she loves or how she receives love and meet her there. And it's like a little dance. So I think it's a good little gauge.

[Big T]

Yeah, I've just. I've. I've really seen it popping up the last few years, and I. I guess I. The book came out in 1992. It says. So I guess it's been around for a long time, but I. I never really heard about it. I feel like everybody talks about it now.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I think. I think it's very. I came from therapy, so I think as the new age, like this, like, in my 30s, so, like, you know, like 10 years ago, it started being more prevalent. You know, the Internet and people getting therapy and mental health.

[Big T]

You know, it does sound like something that. That a therapist would give you to be very intentional.

[Arian Foster]

There you go. There's no therapy buzzword.

[Big T]

Whereas, like. Like, you listed all those things. I was like, yeah, they all sound pretty good to me. I don't know.

[Arian Foster]

So, like, okay, would you rather have your significant other? Like, what makes you feel the best is if, like. So like, mine is acts of service. If somebody's like, hey, if you have a whole bunch of, like, responsibilities and it's your turn to do the dishes or something like that, right? And she does the dishes for you. That's like an act of service where she's like, I'm gonna take this off your. Off your plate. That's exercise. Or, like, quality time. Always spending time around. So, like, making sure that we spend time together. Physical touch, like, cuddling up and making sure there's always hugging and loving and kissing, like, that kind of stuff. What's the other one?

[Big T]

Words. Affirmation.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, words of affirmation. That's my second, I would say. But somebody, like, telling me how they feel about me or telling me, you know, just communicating very heavily. That's one of my big ones. Or receiving gifts, which is, like, at the bottom of my list, like, could not Care less if you give me anything.

[Big T]

See, that's. That's interesting to me because you just went on a 20 minute diatribe about how much you want a woman to pay for dinner, which would seemingly extend to you liking receiving gifts.

[Arian Foster]

But the caveat was, it's not about the money.

[Big T]

I know, but that's, that's in a way, you receiving a gift.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. So I don't. Nine times out of 10, if somebody gives me a gift, it's what they think I would like. Right. Rather than just asking me. Because very rarely people do. People ask. It's a gift, it's a surprise. Right. But half the time I don't like what you got me.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

So I have to pretend to like it and I have to be grateful when you could have just asked me, hey, if I get you this, would you like this? And I'm like, nah, get me this if you're gonna give me something. And they're like, okay, bet. And then you give it to me and everybody's happy. But because people like the element of surprise, there's just that room. And I don't like your gift a lot of the times. And so there's this awkward, like, now I just have a thing that I don't want. I appreciate the gesture, and that's what I've come to understand. And the book helped me out with that. I used to be like, just don't give me anything. Now I'm like, I appreciate you taking time out of your day to think about me and give it to me. That's how you love you thought about me when I wasn't there. I appreciate that.

[Big T]

I do fall into that a lot as well, where if I want something, I just buy it for the most part.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And then, and then people get you something and it's like, please don't. Because then I feel bad that I don't like it, but I didn't ask for it.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So now I feel bad and it's like, I. Please, like, I. I swear it'll be fine. Save your money.

[Arian Foster]

I used to tell people all the time, like, please, like, all my friends, I like, do not send me your Christmas, like, pictures with your family and your kids. Don't. I'm gonna throw it away. Like, oh, man.

[Big T]

Oh, wow.

[Arian Foster]

I'm gonna throw it. I'm. I'm sorry. It's not going up on my fridge. It's not. I'm gonna throw it away. Nice picture. Cool picture. Not gonna.

[Big T]

I think, I mean, everyone eventually throws them away.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

I'm gonna do it as soon as I look at it. I have no use for this.

[Eric]

You just enjoy, like, looking at it.

[Arian Foster]

No, I get no pleasure.

[Big T]

I see.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, cute family dope. Throw it away. Like, what? What am I supposed to do with this inanimate object that you've given me that you've forced on me, actually, you know what I mean.

[Big T]

Oh, wow. You were assaulted with the Christmas card.

[Arian Foster]

Absolutely. Especially when I requested that you don't give me. But like I said, that was my younger years. Now, I thank you. So I appreciate it. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to print Christmas cards and give me one. You thought of me when I wasn't there. I appreciate it. I look at it in a different light. They still get thrown away. But I look at it very kindly.

[Big T]

Now taking Arian off the Christmas card list.

[Arian Foster]

Please do. Yes, please do.

[Big T]

No Christmas card. Okay.

[Arian Foster]

And you know what? That is an act of service. Big T. And I appreciate.

[Big T]

You're welcome. Don't think you're not getting one this year.

[Arian Foster]

I appreciate you, my brother. See, words of information, hella communication, acts of service, knocking them all off.

[Big T]

But also, Christmas cards are for people that you don't see that often, I feel.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I see you more than a lot of my family.

[Big T]

Yeah, same. I mean, we talk six hours a week. I don't talk to. I talk to one other person that much.

[Arian Foster]

That's actually. Wow, when you think about it.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

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[Arian Foster]

Let's get to your. Your list. Today I have deleted Twitter. Done with that app. I gave it. I gave it its last go, but I can't no more.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Arian Foster]

So I don't have. I don't have. I gotta find a new news app. I gotta find a new news app.

[Big T]

There's Apple News, which is a pretty good aggregator, I think.

[Maddie]

I actually really like Apple News.

[Arian Foster]

Apple News. See, I feel like a boomer. Do we gotta download it? Where's.

[Big T]

I think it's probably on your phone. Already?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, Apple News.

[Maddie]

I look at it on my laptop.

[Arian Foster]

So nope, got to download it. Boom. Right?

[Big T]

You know what?

[Arian Foster]

I'm gonna give it a go.

[Big T]

Yeah, it just aggregates all the different publications and you can put what you're interested in and stuff.

[Arian Foster]

Beautiful.

[Big T]

But first on the list was this morning. Did you see what happened in El Paso, Texas?

[Arian Foster]

How I don't have a news at Big T.

[Big T]

Okay, yeah, I guess, I guess you didn't hear about it. So this morning with no warning, the FAA just shut down all the airspace in El Paso and originally said it was going to be 10 days. I think they're like 10 day shutdown, no flights in or out, with no warning, no announcement or anything. So then they've since reopened it. It lasted 10 minutes. I don't know why they said 10 days. Then it came out at about 8 o' clock this morning. The decision to close El Paso International Airport to all flights for 10 days was triggered by Mexican cartel drones breaching US airspace. Officials told CBS News. War department took action to disable the drones. Then it came out that, that apparently wasn't true. Scoop. The unexpected airspace closure in El Paso stemmed from disagreements over drone related tests. Sources told CBS Pentagon had undertaken extensive planning on use of military tech near Fort Bliss. Two sources identified the technology as high energy lasers. Earlier this week, tech was used to shoot down what appeared to be foreign drones. The flying material turned out to only be a party balloon. Sources said one balloon was shot down. So it seems that several days ago they shot down a balloon thinking it was a Mexican cartel drone. But then they've also been testing these lasers that got the airspace shut down and then now it's back open. So I. It was a weird story.

[Arian Foster]

We have lasers.

[Big T]

Yeah. Are you surprised by that?

[Arian Foster]

I'm. I mean I'm completely ignorant. To the US Weapons defense system.

[Big T]

We've got shit that you and I could not conceive.

[Arian Foster]

Really lazy. I always seem like sci fi to me. Like, I'm sure they have like high powered lasers but that can shoot down.

[Big T]

I don't know. But I mean UFOs are military tech. I'm very confident.

[Arian Foster]

I think I'm with you on that one. All the, all the unidentified flying objects.

[Big T]

That we've got stuff that people wouldn't believe.

[Arian Foster]

Do you think we could have invisibility cloak it?

[Big T]

No, but I mean I, I bet we have stuff that if you showed it to Joe Schmo, their brains would explode.

[Arian Foster]

I like, I half don't believe and I have do believe that dude who's that dude? He was on Rogan about how he. About we have a spacecraft and the aliens taught us how to build it or whatever.

[Big T]

I know who you're referencing. I don't recall his name.

[Arian Foster]

I forget his name. Oh, Bob Lazar.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

Bob Lazar. Yeah. I have to believe him, but I also have. Don't. It's. It's a tricky situation. Like. Like some of the shit he says, I'm like, that's bullshit, and people refute it. But, like, some of the shit I'm saying, but I mean, like, how do you square that?

[Big T]

I mean, it seems that for the last 30 years, the world has been run by a shadow cabal of pedophiles. So I no longer rule out anything.

[Arian Foster]

This is getting deeper, man. What is the. Yo. Okay. The thing that I did see today, it popped up on my IG feed was, I guess Pam Bondi is testifying in Congress today.

[Maddie]

Yeah, she's testifying as we're recording this.

[Arian Foster]

And I'm like. It was my first like, can't we all get along? Moment in a while?

[Maddie]

Cause I'm like, she is not on that train.

[Arian Foster]

I'll tell you that much clearly. But I'm like, yo, there's no way we could operate as a society like this. We can't talk to each other like this, dog. Like somebody. I think we just need to wash and get everybody that's currently in politics out. And we just need new people. And let's. Hey, if we go and coexist, we can't do this. Like, this can't be the precedent. And this is, you know, wishful thinking area, but it is toxic. I was like, yo, this is bad. This is. It's like, we're in a bad place right now. This is not good.

[Maddie]

I was watching the start of her, like, opening regards and everything when I was getting ready this morning, and it's. It's just a lot of bullshit. Like, it's just crazy. She. At one point, I saw a clip after I got here, said that she was asked about, I'm assuming something from the Epstein files. I don't know the exact question. And she turned it into, why are we not talking about how the Dow Jones is up and it's over 50,000 points right now? It's like, I do think that those are different things. She started her. Her whole opening remarks talking about how President Trump has made this the safest country in the last 125 years and murders are down and car. She said carjacking specifically, which I Thought was an odd choice, but carjackings are down, assaults are down in specifically D.C. and Memphis. They are the safest those cities have ever been. And Trump has done this on purpose to give us more resources and the whole ICE thing and everything. So she started like that. Again, I do believe all of or a ton of Epstein survivors were in the crowd or the audience because it is about, I believe, the redactions and everything regarding the Epstein files. But I do feel like it's tough to kind of start out your opening remarks with like, safest we've ever been. And then, by the way, secret society.

[Arian Foster]

So loves these children to testify about the, the Epstein files and she starts her, her diatribe about carjackings and homicide.

[Maddie]

Rates and yeah, I think it's.

[Arian Foster]

She was that clearly.

[Maddie]

Yes, she was trying to talk about how safe the United States has been and how her main goal for the DOJ is to make America safe and, you know, make every citizen safe in this country, I think. So I just looked it up. It says online that her hearing was regarding just her management of the DOJ and then specifically focusing on a potential cover up with the Epstein files. But I think it's a wide ranging hearing, obviously. But I watched a ton of it this morning and a lot of it was about how like murder is down. But they were asking that society. Yeah, they were asking her if people are going to be indicted from the Epstein files and things of that nature. And she then told Thomas Massey has trumped arrangements syndrome. So, no, it's going good over there though. I'm sure it's. I'm sure everything's getting worked out and we'll have a nice solution by the end of the day.

[Arian Foster]

It's what I heard. I heard her say she's taking Trump's playbook and she'll just be like, you're a failed lawyer, you're a failed politician.

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Arian Foster]

Come on, bro. Yeah, we can't continue this way. We can't do it, man.

[Maddie]

But yeah, they kept asking her, like different congressional members kept asking her to like turn to the victims, the Epstein victims that were in the crowd and apologize to their faces and she then would just like scream at them.

[Arian Foster]

I mean, I'm not gonna both sides it because I think they're different. Like, I think she's a lunatic. But also like, bro, if you really want answers, like, you, you can't ask people questions like that.

[Maddie]

Right. I think there's a bit of like a theatric. Yeah, it's theatrics, man, but I also think that it's a good way to look at it. Like, you have people literally 15ft behind you that were. That are traumatized for the rest of their life due to the actions taken by Epstein and whatever co conspirators there. So do you not owe them, like, any sense?

[Arian Foster]

Honestly? Yeah, honestly. About what?

[Maddie]

You know, about honesty, Eye contact, Like, but, like.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, but, like, sitting there and saying, turn around and apologize. Yeah, do it to him. Like, what are you talking about?

[Maddie]

Those congressional hearings also are a lot of theater, like, political theater. I don't really know what comes from them. Most of the time they're just like.

[Arian Foster]

It's so that they can grandstand to, like, voters and gain as much attention as possible. So that when you hit the. Oh, I remember him. He. He fought for, like, yeah, we just overhaul. Whole need to be.

[Maddie]

That's what.

[Arian Foster]

Start over, man.

[Maddie]

Our guest Zach last week said. He just said everyone should be gone and we should all revote. Every representative in.

[Arian Foster]

How dope is that guy?

[Big T]

I mean, we do kind of do that every two years, though.

[Arian Foster]

No, no, like, no more. Whoever's in cannot.

[Big T]

They can't. They can't be reelected.

[Arian Foster]

New people. This is. This shit's got it. Something's got to change, though. New people. No, no.

[Big T]

You don't think it would be exactly the same? I mean, I. I'm not opposed to that idea. I just think there's no.

[Arian Foster]

So I think. I think we need a leader like that, like, regardless of. Like. Like, like you voted for Trump, you don't think that he's like a unifier, right?

[Big T]

Not really, no.

[Arian Foster]

Right. So I think that's what it has to be. It has to be somebody that is.

[Big T]

But I don't think that exists anymore.

[Arian Foster]

I don't think it. Yeah, I don't think you're right. I mean, I think you're wrong. I don't think it can. Because in order for, like, a Democratic politician to get voted in, they're going to have to be Trump, but blue, meaning they're going to have to be a populist. They're going to have to be nasty. They're going to have to go after the Republicans. They have to do that, which is not unifying. Like, I don't think we're in a place in society where there can be a unifier, but that's what. That's what's needed. We need a leader to sit down and say, if we go, like, we can't talk to each other like this. We have to be calm because it just has its place in chaos right now. Like, yeah, and this is, you know, I live in my little utopian bubble. But I don't know, man.

[Big T]

Like, I don't think. I don't, as of, you know, the people that we would expect to be candidates for president right now, I don't think there's anybody. That's really what you're describing.

[Arian Foster]

No, I think the rhetoric right now is they think, and it's probably true. It doesn't motivate me. I don't get motivated by. I need somebody to get in there and fight for us. That's not how I get. I'm motivated. Like, who has the best policies that I feel like will help the most people and get health care to people? Like, that's how I vote. But because politicians think that, oh, I have to fight for them, and there's always an opposition, so there's no way to unify when you have to fight. You know what I mean? And the other side of the aisle is the ops. So we got to fight them when in reality, we know they'll do all this theatric shit in these. These meetings in these rooms, and then they go out and they have dinner with each other. They're all friends, which is even worse. But being a dead horse.

[Big T]

What else on your list next was. Well, we just mentioned the Epstein files. So Trump, his. His latest mention in the Epstein files is that when Epstein was being investigated and I guess, arrested in 2006, Trump called the police and said, thank goodness you're stopping him. And he said to look at Ghislaine Maxwell because she's his evil operative.

[Arian Foster]

Wait, I want to make sure I'm hearing it. Could you summarize that one more time?

[Big T]

Okay, so when Epstein first got arrested or investigated in 2006, when he ended up going to jail for like three months or something, Trump called. I don't know if it was the local police or the FBI. According to the summary of an October 2019 interview with Michael Writer, who served as the wealthy Florida enclaves top cop from 2001 to 2009, the future president was, quote, one of the very first people to call when people found out that authorities were investigating Epstein for sex with girls as young as 14 whom he had hired to give him massages. Quote, thank goodness you're stopping him. Everyone has known he's been doing this. Trump was quoted as telling Writer on the call, adding that he, quote, got the hell out of there on one occasion when he was around Epstein while teenagers were present and Then he said. He said of Ghislaine Maxwell. Trump also referred to Maxwell as, quote, Epstein's operative, telling the chief, quote, she's evil, and to focus on her.

[Arian Foster]

And when was this?

[Big T]

I think 2006. Yeah, 2006.

[Arian Foster]

You buy it?

[Big T]

I mean, it's in do that. That happened. Yeah. No, who know beyond that, who knows what. What else his involvement was. But, I mean, that's in.

[Arian Foster]

Because I'm like, okay, if you. If you. If you walked away because you saw the. As much as he was tweeting, like, about all of this, I'm talking about before he was even considering running for president, he was always on Twitter talking shit about any and everything. He should have been sounding alarmed then, like, if he knew. Like, if you knew. Say it. Why didn't you say it?

[Big T]

Seems like there are a lot of people who knew for a long time. And I think the involvement was so metastasized throughout the. The entire power structure of not only the government, but, you know, Trump hadn't been in the government at that time, but he was a very famous, you know, mover and shaker. Like, I think everyone was scared that, you know, if you've talked to him or, you know, have been to the island, whatever, that. That you'd be implicated.

[Arian Foster]

Metastasize a verb of malignant cells or disease. Clearly not that one. To spread injuriously. Street canes have metastasized in our city to transform especially into dangerous form.

[Big T]

Is that a new one for you?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I've never heard that word. That's a good word.

[Big T]

Cancer metastasizes. It spreads.

[Arian Foster]

So negative. Spreading of something.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Arian Foster]

Got you. Good word. Big T W. Metastasize.

[Big T]

Yeah, use that one.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, I'm gonna use it three times.

[Big T]

A day trying to think of a good. Of a way you would need it. I mean, it's a. It's an. It's a bad word. So.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, later on, my toilet bowl is gonna metastasize with boo boo.

[Big T]

What would be the shit that would metastasize? I guess.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, the boo boo in the toilet bowl.

[Big T]

You're right.

[Arian Foster]

You're right. Right? Yeah. I'm learning a new word. Okay, let's. Let's look up another one. Are we? So again, I see why they use it as like an infectious disease. So cancer metastasizes.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's. Its main use is like a medical term.

[Arian Foster]

And how did you use it? Honestly, I stopped listening that his.

[Big T]

I forget exactly what I said, but that the. The involvement of Epstein had metastasized. To the point that everyone who was anyone was somehow connected to him. He had a network.

[Arian Foster]

It got too big.

[Big T]

Yeah. And I think everyone was. You know, if you go to dinner with Epstein once and you take a picture with him or whatever, and then you find out, oh, that guy does bad stuff with kids. Are you.

[Arian Foster]

My brain is just cooking. That's something you asked Pam Bondi, like, why was there a press release? Have we got any clarity to that? Has the White House given any clarity that there was a press release the day before he died? Dated the day before he died?

[Big T]

Oh, yeah. I don't know if. If she was asked that.

[Arian Foster]

Like, that's some to ask them, but.

[Big T]

But that's a real question. So there's. They won't ask it. Like they're just trying to get her in. Gotcha.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, that. That's. That's some shit you gotta ask.

[Big T]

Yeah, I haven't. I haven't seen any official people comment on that.

[Arian Foster]

Like, how is that. That's not like one of the biggest.

[Big T]

And you saw the other day that the FBI someone admitted that the tape that cut out showing Epstein Cell, someone did that intentionally.

[Arian Foster]

I believe they said that they came out.

[Big T]

It was in a. It was in a document, I'm pretty sure. Let me double check that.

[Arian Foster]

This is from all the resources of these higher ups that are doing this. This has been really sloppy. Really sloppy ass cover up.

[Big T]

Okay. So again, I'm assuming this document is real. I. You know, there's. Who knows at this point? Redacted advised that only one hard drive of the camera system was working at the time of the incident. On August 10, 2019, when a DVR went bad, none of the cameras recorded. There was a system failure of DVR2 on July 29, 2019, and the motherboard failed on DVR2 on August 9. The hard drive failure occurred on August 10, 2019. Redacted recalled that there was a body alarm around 4am on August 10, 2019. And he was one of the MCC personnel who responded. Redacted stated that he was one of the personnel who briefly tried to resuscitate Jeffrey Epstein after the incident. Redacted was asked about the cameras. There were two new hard drives. This is really blurry. Sorry. There were two new hard drives to install, but installing the new hard drives would mean that all prior data would be lost. The warden wanted video, and so Redacted was told to start working on the system. He started removing the bad drives in order to rebuild the dvr. He advised an FBI agent was the one who pulled out the dvr. He also advised. He knew that by replacing both hard drives, the system would be wiped and that he had advised personnel at MCC of that. So it sounds like they intentionally got rid of the recordings of what was going on in Epstein's cell.

[Arian Foster]

The. This is crazy.

[Big T]

Yeah, I mean, it's. And again, to some extent, we're all just wasting our time. You're never going to know. Nobody's ever going to go to jail.

[Arian Foster]

You know, I hope this ain't the case, man. I think you're right, but I hope that ain't the case.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, what. There's a deluge of. You got that one right?

[Arian Foster]

The word.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Deluge. Hell, no. Hold on. Let me see that.

[Big T]

I was. I was seeing if. Yeah, that's. That's a. Like a torrential downpour, I was going to say. There's a. They. They. There's a deluge of these documents. They just put it all out there. Come what may, for a few weeks, people will be really mad, and then nothing will come of it.

[Arian Foster]

A great flood of water, a drenching rain, the deluge.

[Big T]

That's one you can use more commonly. Anything that you've got a ton of today.

[Arian Foster]

I'm with your vocabulary today.

[Big T]

Bt I do my best. I forget what I got on the. The English part of the act, but.

[Arian Foster]

It was high, though, like one thing. Yeah. Rain could be a deluge, and it can metastasize.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, you. You wouldn't really use metastasize in that sense, but. Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

A tsunami. That metastasize.

[Big T]

Sure. Yeah. Definitely spreads.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Guy getting waterboarded. That metastasize.

[Big T]

Say that again.

[Arian Foster]

If a guy's getting waterboarded.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

That is metastasizing. What is the water spreading into his. No, I feel like it does.

[Big T]

I'm not sure you're. Tell me what you think waterboarding entails with somebody waterboarded.

[Arian Foster]

You put the towel over the face, and I think they either laying flat or upside down, and then the water goes into. They know. Where they can't breathe.

[Big T]

Yeah. Okay. I mean, yeah, I guess you could technically use the word in that sense.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. You probably shouldn't, but you can. I'm just trying to learn new words, man.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah. I'll see if I can work any more in for you today. My favorite word of all time is juxtaposition. Do you know what that is?

[Arian Foster]

Oh, yeah, I use that one almost. Yeah. Juxtapose. Yeah, I love juxtaposition. I think serendipity. Is my favorite word. Favorite sounding word. And then, you know, the. A. Rudolph. Serendipitous. That's fire.

[Big T]

Yeah. Y' all got a favorite word?

[Eric]

I actually don't.

[Maddie]

I don't know if I do.

[Eric]

I think I do. I'd have to think about it.

[Big T]

Gotta have a favorite word.

[Maddie]

I know.

[Big T]

Talk all day.

[Eric]

I'm not up on words like this.

[Big T]

I mean, I do not have a favorite word. It's the. It's the basis of communication.

[Arian Foster]

All day. What a backhanded compliment.

[Big T]

No, no, I'm just saying, like, people don't think about that. It's. It's the most common thing you do other than breathe.

[Maddie]

Bitches be talking. Still don't cut a favorite word, right?

[Big T]

For real?

[Arian Foster]

That's great.

[Maddie]

I don't. I love when people say yes to me.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

Your favorite word is yes.

[Maddie]

I love when people grant my wishes for me. Yes.

[Big T]

Your favorite word is other people doing what you want.

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Eric]

That's her love language. Yeah, that's her love language.

[Maddie]

Say yeah. Oh, gosh.

[Eric]

Yeah. I don't know if I have one.

[Big T]

You have a favorite number?

[Maddie]

9, 6.

[Big T]

Okay. You sounded unsure.

[Eric]

No, I honestly was like, I have so many favorite numbers. I have to really think about it.

[Maddie]

So you have a ton of favorite numbers but no favorite words.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Wait, how many. How many favorite numbers do you have?

[Eric]

Like, I just have numbers that are in my head. Like, if somebody's like. Like there's different meanings for numbers. I think so. Like, they're all my favorite.

[Arian Foster]

Does this sound like I'm intrigued?

[Maddie]

Autism poking through to you?

[Arian Foster]

Give me a. Give me a good example of a number that means something like 6.

[Eric]

Because my birthday is 6. 1696. Which is also, like, devilish. I know, but that's one of my numbers. The numbers 9 and 7 are, like, important to me because they were like, my dad and grandpa's, like, baseball numbers. So, like, when I was growing up playing sports, I would always try to pick those numbers and then just like, other, like, athletes that I have numbers for, I guess it all relates to sports and numbers.

[Arian Foster]

You got. You got some numbers that you just kind of with.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

I feel that two is one of them.

[Eric]

Just random.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. I. With two. When. That was my high school. My high school jersey number. I.

[Big T]

With two is your number retired at your high school? Yeah, I just see guys do that all the time, and I'm like, surely you got that.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know that. Like, it's. Nobody can wear it Anymore, but it's just like hung up like. Yeah, yeah. I don't think, I always think about that. Like, like this sports is kind of new, like relatively to like earth. So like a hundred years from now, I think it looked like nobody can wear 23.

[Big T]

Well, that's what the Yankees have. The Yankees have so many numbers retired that people are, you know, they're wearing 68.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I, I think there's going to reach a point where it's like, all right, man, let's we honor that person. But like, because there's gonna be a time where there's nobody alive when that person played.

[Big T]

I love what Michael Irvin said about not having his number retired. Have you seen that?

[Arian Foster]

No. What did he say?

[Big T]

He said if, if I, if they retire my number, you get one day and everybody celebrates you and then you die and that's it. And he said if, if. Guys keep wearing 88 for the Cowboys, they make a great catch. They say he looks like Michael Irvin and then, and then he drops one. He says, Mike Irvin would have caught it.

[Arian Foster]

I like that. Yeah, that is nice. Yeah. Shout out to Mike Irvin, man. I have a funny off camera story for.

[Big T]

You've told us.

[Arian Foster]

I told you.

[Big T]

Yeah. Damn.

[Arian Foster]

It's. It's.

[Big T]

No, it was a while ago. It was a while ago.

[Arian Foster]

Big T, it's coming, man. I can feel it.

[Big T]

What are we gonna do?

[Arian Foster]

It's, it's gonna. Love me while I'm here.

[Big T]

All right.

[Arian Foster]

Love me while I'm here. Remind me you love me when I don't recognize you no more.

[Big T]

That, that'd be sad also, like, just, just thinking through that. Like you'd really, if you, like, if you got it bad, like, you know, you'd have no clue who I was.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Like, if you see, if you see a kid who's 25 years younger than you and kind of looks like you, you can make sense of it in your brain. Like, oh, that's probably my kid. That's terrible that, you know, you see me.

[Maddie]

You'll try to run through him.

[Big T]

Yeah. You'd have no idea.

[Arian Foster]

No, but I would be like, how do we know each other? How do we know each other? Let's play it out defensive. How do, how do I know you? Like, huh.

[Big T]

We worked together for many years. We've spent talking on a show. We've spent probably thousands of hours speaking.

[Arian Foster]

Thousands of hours speaking. I would, I would probably come around. I'd be like, damn good to see you, man. Are you doing well? That, that would Be. That would be.

[Big T]

Yeah, but like, that wouldn't even. I'd feel. I'd feel bad.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, sure. One of your friends is about to kick the bucket. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. But, like, I wouldn't want you to have to, you know, put. Put on. Be like. It's fine. I remember.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. No, I mean, you seen the Notebook?

[Big T]

No, it's.

[Arian Foster]

What? Oh, we probably talked about that, too.

[Big T]

I'm sure we have. I'll get to it at some point.

[Arian Foster]

It's. It's one of the, like, romantic, you know, like. You know, women like this shit. I loved it. That shit was. It was. It pulled up my heartstrings, dog. I'm not gonna lie. That shit was.

[Big T]

You need to look up. Just jot this down to look up later. One Tree Hill, The Notebook scene. There's a. There's an African American athlete in the show whose girlfriend gets him to watch the Notebook, and he cries and loves it. And then it's. It's funny. What was I gonna say? Oh, the. I'm in this Vols group chat with a lot of guys who. Most of them are in their 30s and 40s, and the other day they asked if I'd seen the movie Heat, to which I said no, and they all got mad and they said, I have to watch Heat, So that's next on my agenda.

[Arian Foster]

I haven't seen. He did. But I know it's like. It's like I'm down. I. I know there's. It's like a. Referenced a lot in my age group because Pacino and De Niro didn't. Robert Denier. De Niro.

[Big T]

De Niro.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Why did that. What? I feel like there's another. I was missing a vowel or something. Yeah, but that. It's like. It's like a famous one. I need to check that one out. There's a bunch of movies on my list I need to check out, man. What's that one? I. Forget it. It'll come back to me.

[Big T]

I'm gonna have a hard time telling you with. With just that.

[Arian Foster]

Hard time telling me what?

[Big T]

What the movie is. Give me nothing to go on.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, no. It'll come to me. Is there anything else on your list?

[Big T]

No, that was pretty much it. I guess we should mention at this point, if people haven't figured it out. PFT is not here. And he didn't tell us that he wasn't going to be here. He's on vacation, which I knew was coming. He always goes on vacation after the super bowl, but I assumed we would have Been informed at some point prior to this morning.

[Arian Foster]

We were. What time we going? He said I'm out.

[Big T]

Yeah, that was it. Nothing else. Which fine, you know.

[Arian Foster]

Well, no, he deserves. He's a hard working guy, man. Hard working guy.

[Big T]

Need to find out where he is.

[Arian Foster]

What did he say? He didn't say. Wait, hold on. Do y' all didn't know either?

[Big T]

No.

[Eric]

No.

[Arian Foster]

That is kind of funny though.

[Big T]

Yeah, no, I respect it.

[Arian Foster]

And the big T goes, hey, chat. Did we know about this?

[Big T]

When I go on my honeymoon, I just might not tell y' all and just not show up.

[Maddie]

Well, we'll know.

[Big T]

It's not exactly when you think it.

[Arian Foster]

Would be be.

[Eric]

Mysterious honeymoon.

[Big T]

I'll be here the week after the wedding.

[Maddie]

You've told us when your honeymoon is though.

[Big T]

Oh, well, then I guess, you know, I don't remember. But yeah, I guess I'm playing in it right now. It's going to be sick.

[Arian Foster]

What? Where. Where are you going?

[Big T]

Hawaii.

[Arian Foster]

Hawaii. Anything you want to hit up specifically?

[Big T]

Yes. I want to do the ATV tour of the Jurassic park scenes.

[Arian Foster]

They have that there?

[Big T]

Yeah, that like the jungle where they filmed it. You can take an ATV tour through it.

[Arian Foster]

I didn't know. That's actually kind of dope. I've been to Hawaii a bunch. I need to do that.

[Big T]

I want to play golf at the Royal Hawaiian Golf Course. And I mean, she's got, you know, Lord knows how many other things we got to do. But those are my two. We're staying at two different places in.

[Maddie]

Hawaii, so why are you going to like two different islands?

[Big T]

No, we were gonna do that, but it's kind of a pain in the ass. So we're just going to two different places in Oahu and one of them is sick, one's fine.

[Arian Foster]

Out on the course, they're the PGA tourist best players. But in the arena, they're prime time. And season two of TGL, presented by SoFi, is back with lights, cameras, action. We're talking big moments, big personalities, big names in the stands, all on the big screen. Big time matchups with shot clocks. Hammer drops timeouts, overtime and playoffs. It's city versus city, squad versus squad. This sport just hits different under the lights. It's TGL, presented by SoFi.

[Big T]

Keep up.

[Arian Foster]

It's golf. Tune in to every match. Only on ESPN once. Oh, yeah. James Vanderbeek died.

[Maddie]

I know. I just saw that.

[Big T]

Really?

[Maddie]

Yeah. Colorectal cancer.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, he had what?

[Maddie]

Colorectal cancer.

[Arian Foster]

What is that? Oh, rectal. Okay. Yeah. Jesus.

[Maddie]

And it's like I think it's. I think it's a pretty bad cancer to get. Well, obviously, but. Yeah.

[Big T]

Rip.

[Maddie]

Yeah. It's so sad.

[Arian Foster]

Damn. He was in one of. The. One of the only football movies I liked, man.

[Big T]

Seeing Varsity Blues.

[Arian Foster]

Varsity Blues. Damn. I was blanking. Yep.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Damn. Born in 1977. Life is weird, man. You know, I'm getting mad at that. Like, I didn't sign up for this. Like, why you're just here. You just threw me in the mix, and I just gotta eat and live. She's kind of weird when you think about it. I think about that a lot, actually. Usually.

[Big T]

Would your alternative be, you were just never born?

[Arian Foster]

I don't know.

[Big T]

You've lived a pretty sick life.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, sure. But, like, I just. It's weird. It's this. This. You don't ever think that this is just weird? Like, this is odd. Like, we're just thrust into existence. And what even is existence? Like, I can feel, see, touch, hear, taste. What does that mean? Because there's such a little part of the electromagnetic spectrum we experience, so there's a whole bunch of shit we don't experience about the existing universe that we're in. Like, cats can see UV ray light. Like, why can't you? Know what I'm saying? Like, it's just. Everything's weird. Oh, this is a very weird situation we're all in. But we kind of just going about our day. Odd man is very weird.

[Big T]

I can't think about that for too long.

[Eric]

No, me either.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, but see, that's what happens, because when you retired, you think about that all the time. Because you're like, what the am I? Like, what do I do? You have to fight. You set goals, do things that you like. I don't know. It's weird.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think it's good that you got golf or you'd be doing too much thinking.

[Arian Foster]

I don't. Bro. Golf has saved my life. This is bro being retired at this age. And granted, yes, I understand. I'm very pro. I understand all that. But it's weird. It's weird because, like, I'm supposed to be, like, doing things, and I don't have to do things. I do things because I. I have to do things, or else I sit around thinking about. We're on a ball, a globular bowl ball that's moving through space at, what, a thousand miles an hour?

[Big T]

Oh, it's got to be faster than that, right?

[Arian Foster]

Thought it was like, a thousand.

[Big T]

Hold, please.

[Arian Foster]

I could be wrong about the speed.

[Big T]

67,000 miles an hour.

[Arian Foster]

So thousands of miles an hour. Oh.

[Big T]

Rotates on its axis a thousand miles an hour. And then orbits the sun 67,000 miles an hour.

[Arian Foster]

Go ahead, Fino. Yeah. Orbiting around the sun, which is just a big ass nuclear fusion. Weird. I'm not even high. You know what I mean? I just. It just. This is what. This is where my brain goes. You don't think that is like, you just. It didn't. It seems. It does not bother you.

[Big T]

It doesn't bother me. I. It. It's crazy.

[Arian Foster]

It's wild.

[Big T]

What would bother me about it?

[Arian Foster]

Why are we here? What are we doing here?

[Big T]

Well, I have an answer for that. You're not gonna like it.

[Arian Foster]

Jesus.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

You almost. You sound like someone in the last two minutes that could get there, bro.

[Arian Foster]

If he. If he gave me sufficient evidence, I'm all in.

[Big T]

Some would say that the truth is written on your heart. You've just, you've just talked about it.

[Arian Foster]

The truth. See, the truth is written on my heart. See, like, come on, you know.

[Big T]

You know the difference between right and wrong.

[Arian Foster]

No, we don't. We don't agree on that. There's no way we can know the difference, right or wrong.

[Big T]

But for a lot of things you do.

[Arian Foster]

See what I'm saying? It's those gray areas.

[Big T]

But you just said like the. The Earth is moving 67000 miles an hour around the sun. What even is the sun? It's a giant flaming ball of gas that we don't even know how it suspends itself in the middle of space. What is space? Don't even get me started on that.

[Arian Foster]

And that's the kind of. It's actually kind of cool when you start them out what space is. But still, like, what the is this place?

[Big T]

I know.

[Arian Foster]

And even. Okay, let's say Jesus is. Yeah, let's. Like, like I'm in. I. I would love for there to be a God. Like I'm rooting for that. I would love for that to be the case. Don't think there is. But it's like I would like to exist still. You know, I mean, I don't want to just like not be here. I mean, all I have is knowing how to be here. I don't know what to. You know.

[Big T]

Wow. I do sometimes think about all the thousands of years that happened before I was born.

[Arian Foster]

No recollection.

[Big T]

And it just doesn't. Yeah. Like the earth was. Was happening even. You know, your parents obviously were alive for decades before you were. And it's like they existed In a world where I didn't.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Wild.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

That's. Consciousness bothers me. Consciousness bothers me because it's like, what. What does it mean to, like, actually exist?

[Big T]

You know what I used to get really tripped out on? I would be scared to go to sleep because I was like, it makes no sense that I'm asleep for eight hours. But I don't. It doesn't register to me as any time.

[Arian Foster]

So I have a little theory that, like, your perception of time when you're sleeping is completely warped. And this could be true or not true. I don't know. Maybe there's studies on this. I don't know. But I've never looked into it. But so like, I. You seen the movie Inception, Right? Of course. So one of. That's one of my favorite movies. All time. So like in. You know, when they go. A dream within a dream within a dream. It's like 50 years down. There is only like an hour out in the real or whatever. Right. So one time I was sleeping and my alarm. I can hear my alarm clock in my dream, but I feel like I had an entire dream after I heard the alarm. So I heard the alarm and then. And then I wake up and I'm like, dog. I feel like I was asleep for entire night after I heard the alarm.

[Big T]

I've had that happen.

[Arian Foster]

That shit's what. Because you're like. Your perception of time is just warped.

[Big T]

I've had the alarm be incorporated into my dream.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Where the noise is somehow. It's a fire alarm going off or something. So then it doesn't register that it's the alarm going off.

[Arian Foster]

We should have a. Have we done a dreams episode?

[Big T]

That sounds like something we did.

[Maddie]

I believe so. We did very, very early on one. Because I remember. I believe that Billy and Big T got in a huge fight during that show.

[Big T]

Well, I mean, that. That could be any number. If I feel like at five years we should get Amnesty.

[Maddie]

Yes, I agree. Yeah.

[Big T]

We've been doing this kind of a long time.

[Arian Foster]

Kinda five years.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Wow.

[Eric]

Now think about that.

[Arian Foster]

That's pretty cool, man.

[Maddie]

Our show would be in kindergarten.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. It shows older than some of my kids.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

One of them.

[Maddie]

One of them.

[Big T]

Unless you. I'm. I'm gonna strategically plan the. The ages and births of my children to where they're the oldest in their grades so that they're the best at everything.

[Arian Foster]

Was it Tipping Point?

[Big T]

There's. Yeah. I forget what it's called, but there's.

[Arian Foster]

Something about one of those Malcolm Gladwell Books. I forget. Hit a couple of them. Oh, man.

[Big T]

When is the five year.

[Maddie]

It is February. I want to say 26th.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, it's coming up. Should I fly out?

[Maddie]

I remember where I was when I listened to the first episode and I knew none of you.

[Big T]

Where were you at school?

[Maddie]

Miami University.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Maddie]

And I was walking into my.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, God, you listened to the first episode?

[Maddie]

Yeah, I listened to all the episodes before I started working. That's why I work with you guys.

[Big T]

She was. She was a big fan.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I didn't notice. He was over here. He was creeping on us. And then you.

[Maddie]

Well, then I got the job.

[Big T]

That's kind of fire, because she was. When we. When we interviewed the interns, she was the only one that was, like, excited.

[Arian Foster]

Nice.

[Maddie]

I mean, I had no.

[Arian Foster]

This is the first time I'm hearing that story. I had no idea.

[Maddie]

Well, yeah, you weren't on. I remember that. You weren't on my interview, but yeah.

[Big T]

Oh, really?

[Maddie]

No, it was him. Coley. Or. Sorry, Aaron wasn't there, but it was like, you, big T, Coley, Billy. Pft. But. And Avery. But yeah, no, I remember I was walking in. It was my senior year of college. I was walking into my, like, senior journalism class of whatever variety. I remember what building I was in, and I was like, I love this show. This is such a good show. And then here I am.

[Arian Foster]

I agree.

[Maddie]

But yeah, I was. I was. Arian, I was making TikToks about this show before I worked for the show, and sending.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, my God, please, do you have them?

[Maddie]

Maybe somewhere. And then sending them to Avery, like, on Instagram, being like, hey, I'm a big fan, in case you want to use these for social. Now look at me.

[Big T]

I didn't know that part.

[Arian Foster]

Yo, please, please try to find those.

[Maddie]

Those TikToks. It was about you guys talking about Alex Jones.

[Big T]

That was the first episode.

[Arian Foster]

It was the first.

[Maddie]

Did I tell you or did I tell you?

[Arian Foster]

That's kind of crazy.

[Maddie]

It was about how it was. The tick tock was about how you guys didn't believe that he had had sex with 150 women by the time he was 15.

[Big T]

I remember that.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Big.

[Arian Foster]

Definitely not to do.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, Arian, I was like, first on the train, clearly. Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Well, shout out to you for stalking your way into a nice little job, man.

[Maddie]

Yeah, it's worked out pretty well.

[Arian Foster]

I had no idea. Please find those TikToks and send them to the group chat if you have them.

[Maddie]

I will. I'll get a try.

[Arian Foster]

It Shout out to young, young Maddie the fan.

[Maddie]

Thank you.

[Arian Foster]

Grinding her way up on it. That's. That's fire.

[Maddie]

February 23rd is for when that was made, so I'll have to go look at the exact date for the first episode.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Shout out to us. Shout out to the Macrodosians.

[Big T]

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[Arian Foster]

All right. If anything else, we can get to the title of the episode, which is Kidnaping celebrity Kidnapes thy ticket. Lady Jennifer of Coolidge. Well, many thanks, good sir.

[Big T]

Here is my Discover card.

[Maddie]

They accept Discover at Renaissance fairs?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, they do here. Discover is accepted at the places I love to shop.

[Eric]

Getith with the times.

[Big T]

With the times.

[Arian Foster]

You're playing the loot. Yeah, and it sounds pretty good, right? Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide, based on.

[Maddie]

The February 2025 Nielsen report.

[Big T]

Yeah. So how closely have you been following the Nancy Guthrie situation? Aryan? I guess if you're not on Twitter. Not. Not remarkably.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, no, just. I have no. Nothing. I know nothing about it.

[Big T]

Okay, so I guess we'll. We'll start from the top. You know who Savannah Guthrie is? Today show host.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, my mother told me who she was. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. So her mother is currently missing, and there was a. There were two ransom notes, I believe, that were sent to TMZ. TMZ's kind of been weirdly in the. In the middle of all this at every turn, which I guess TMZ is.

[Arian Foster]

How I first found out that Colby died. That was the first.

[Big T]

They had it first.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I was, like, looking for, like. Like, legit sources, and TMZ had the source from the whatever to whatever. And I was like, I hate that. I gave them a click. I don't fuck with them, but they. They be. I hate them in general. I think they're the bane of society. They're the big reason as to why we are the way we are. They be on a shit.

[Big T]

I actually Saw that tweet, like, five seconds after it went up. I had TMZ on a. A Twitter list for blogs and stuff, and I just happened to refresh it as that tweet went up, and it was. It was very surreal. So TMZ got a couple of ransom notes from whoever allegedly has Nancy Guthrie demanding bitcoin in exchange for her return. So obviously, TMZ turns that over to the police. Whatever. This was more than a week ago now. Then Savannah Guthrie and her siblings, I believe, put out a video saying, we'll pay you. Just bring our mom back. And then there was a weird part in that video that we discussed the other day where she says the line from Silence of the Lambs. I saw some people hypothesize that that could just be how the FBI tells people to talk in those videos. Like, hey, say this. And maybe on the movie, they consulted with law enforcement people who said, this is what we would do. I don't know. Yes, that makes sense. Yeah, but so they put that video out. In the last 24 hours, a lot has happened. So there's footage from a. Is it a ring camera.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Or a nest. A nest camera, which is not ring. Yeah. Same thing from her home of a masked individual walking up and going into her house and disabled the camera from the grandma's home? Yes, from the morning that she disappeared. The crazy thing is she. The camera wasn't on, and she had. Her subscription had lapsed, so she. It was dead. In. In all essence, it was supposed to be not active. And the FBI can still get the footage off that, which I guess in this instance, you would say is good. I don't know that I would say that's a good thing.

[Arian Foster]

Generally, we live in a surveillance state. It is what it is.

[Big T]

It's beyond surveillance state, though, because when you think surveillance state, you think the cameras on the street are watching you. Okay. Like, in the middle of New York City, it's going to be hard to get away with anything. The cameras in people's houses that aren't even supposed to be on and aren't allegedly connected. FBI could just pull the footage right off.

[Arian Foster]

Even if it's not connected. So hold on. It's not. It wasn't connected to the. It had to be connected to the Internet.

[Big T]

Oh, I don't know about Internet. But she wasn't paying for it.

[Eric]

Like, I think it was like the subscription you pay for keeps all the footage, but she wasn't paying for it. So it deletes it after, like, five hours or Something So they had to.

[Maddie]

Go into asking the back.

[Arian Foster]

That's what I'm asking. That's. That's what I'm asking. Pam Body. How is the FBI able to garner footage? And is the FBI capable of getting into all of our systems?

[Big T]

Clearly they are, but yes, except. Do you remember Apple, I think, went to the Supreme Court with them over the. There was a guy who. There was a shooting in California somewhere and Apple refused to get into the iPhone.

[Arian Foster]

I remember that.

[Big T]

And they went, I think, to the Supreme Court. Whatever ended up happening with that, I.

[Arian Foster]

Think they won that case, Apple, if I. If I remember correctly. Did they not.

[Big T]

I want to say so. So maybe they still can't get into iPhones if it's locked. But I mean, if they can, they can do whatever they want.

[Arian Foster]

They can do whatever they want.

[Big T]

But I guess if. If it's locked and they can't figure out your password, they might not be able to get into your phone.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know enough about it. I'm just not. My bad.

[Big T]

Never unlock your phone for the police. Make them get a warrant.

[Arian Foster]

I operate in a way that is always thinking that somebody's watching, like law enforcement, like, so even like the cameras in my house, like in back of my mind that they are always capable of looking at what's going on. That's just how I live my life. I don't know if that's paranoid or.

[Big T]

Well, no, they are.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. This is how I do it. So, like, if I was to be a criminal, if I was to do crime, I would not have a camera in my house. That is your. Right there. I'm exonerated for any future crime I'm accused of because as I live, if I was to do crime, I wouldn't have cameras in my house, period.

[Big T]

Yeah, I mean, and now you just carry around a. A camera, a gps, a.

[Arian Foster]

That shit's. Be like some of these criminals, dog. I'm like famous.

[Big T]

You.

[Arian Foster]

They can ping you at whatever location you're at. So you're sitting. If you go commit a crime or leave your phone, like, hate to help you out here, but.

[Big T]

Well, so in the.

[Arian Foster]

In the.

[Big T]

In the Nancy Guthrie situation, the guy demanded bitcoin. And I think I saw as of yesterday, the FBI maybe sent him like $300 or something. And the wallet, the bitcoin wallet was opened and they could tell what phone it was opened from. So I think they. They may have a lead on that.

[Arian Foster]

Really?

[Big T]

I think so.

[Arian Foster]

And they haven't made it public yet?

[Big T]

No, there hasn't been an arrest or anything. There was a new ransom letter today sent to tmz. There's a new note in the Nancy Guthrie case, but this one doesn't seem to be from the kidnapper. Instead it's from someone offering to give up information on the kidnapper. TMZ received received the Note just before 5:00am Pacific, and the sender claims they've tried unsuccessfully to reach Vanna Guthrie's brother Cameron and sister Annie by email and text. The note goes on quote, if they want the name of the individual involved, then I want one bitcoin to the following wallet. Time is more than relevant. Is quick question. Is that a crime? Which I guess it's extortion to say like I haha, I know who did this, but it's not me. But give me money or I won't tell you. That's got to be a crime, right?

[Arian Foster]

I don't know. Because you're not, you're not saying I'll give them over. You're saying I'll give you the information I have, which I don't know if that's. It's shitty. I don't know if it's a crime though.

[Big T]

I think it's got to be extortion.

[Arian Foster]

But you're not a part of the extortion. You're just, you're. You're extorting the situation. I don't know that you're extorting somebody. I guess in essence.

[Big T]

Also, I think I saw one bitcoin. That's what, 60 grand?

[Arian Foster]

I think it's down, by the way.

[Big T]

I. Yeah, I think I saw that. They're offering 50 grand for any information that leads to like an arrest or something. So you could just do that the.

[Arian Foster]

Normal way with him. They're only asking for 60 grand.

[Big T]

Well, he said one Bitcoin. That's about what a bitcoin is, right? Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Right now it's at 60. I just had it pulled up. 67,000.

[Big T]

Are you in bitcoin?

[Arian Foster]

No. When you said bitcoin, I was like, I wonder where it's at? And I just had it pulled up. But hold on. You kidnapped a grandma for 60 grand?

[Big T]

No, no, no, no, no. This, this isn't the kidnapper.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, this is the, the information.

[Big T]

Correct. I think the guy wanted a ton of money.

[Arian Foster]

Guy once gives a tip for 60 grand, I would call this bluff. I don't even think he would. I bet you he doesn't have a tip. He just, he's just trying to get free bread.

[Big T]

There is a legitimate Bitcoin address in the note. And it is a different address from the one in the original ransom note received by TMZ and two Tucson TV stations. Two Tucson TV stations. Wow.

[Arian Foster]

Is asking for money to give. Hold off.

[Big T]

Oh, tmz. Listen, it's unclear if this. If the sender of this note is legit, but interested. One bitcoin is worth about 66 grand right now. You'll recall law enforcement is currently offering a $50,000 reward, so. Yeah. Like, why are you even.

[Arian Foster]

Okay, so, yes, asking for money from a third party in exchange for providing information to the FBI is a crime, specifically potentially qualifying as bribery or public corruption if the intent is to influence or receive benefit related to an official act or Testimony. Federal Law, 18 U.S.C. section 201. Big T. Criminal license is the act of corruptly demanding, seeking, receiving, or agreeing to accept anything of value in exchange for an offense. Official act, violation of a lawful duty or witness testimony. This applies to both the person offering the bribe and the person soliciting it. Wait, so it isn't. It's not really.

[Big T]

That makes sense.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Yeah. The FBI will never demand payment or personal financial information from a private citizen to investigate a crime or in connection with the tip. Any call or email asking for money while claiming to be from the FBI is a scam.

[Big T]

Also, this is an aside. Did y' all see the media person who ordered pizza to her house?

[Maddie]

Yeah. And then the delivery driver went up to the door.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

What a nut job.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. No, put me on. What happened?

[Big T]

So, obviously, there's news trucks camped outside this woman's house 24 7. And one of the journalists who was there ordered a pizza from Domino's to that woman's address. So the Domino's driver shows up and walks up to the front door not knowing whose house it is, I guess. Right. He's doing his job, and everybody freaks out. And then the guy, I guess, was like, oh, sorry. That was for me. Like, you can't. I guess it's. It's never been explicitly stated, but I would have assumed. Assumed? You just can't order pizza to a crime scene.

[Arian Foster]

Is it. I guess it is a crime scene. Yeah. That's. What a. Yeah. What a. What a dumbass.

[Big T]

My senior year of high school, we ordered a pizza one time to see what would happen. Didn't go well.

[Arian Foster]

You ordered a pizza Where?

[Big T]

To the school.

[Arian Foster]

What happened?

[Big T]

The pizza driver showed up to the office, and the office called our teacher and was like, did you order a pizza? And she like, no. And those of us that Did. She knew exactly who it was. And I don't recall exactly what happened. I just remember we did not get the pizza. I don't know if. So I assume they didn't pay for it. I guess they just turned the guy away.

[Arian Foster]

Damn.

[Big T]

Yeah, Ms. Jenkins was not happy.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, shout out to Ms. Jenkins, man.

[Big T]

All right.

[Arian Foster]

What else would the. Where. Where were you at?

[Big T]

Yeah, so. So the FBI just got that new note today. The. The police have been taking all sorts of stuff in and out of her house. They towed a car today or late last night, I think. And so now, you know, people are really starting to get going with their theories. You can see the guy's wearing a ski mask or a shy ste in the video. And some people have. What. That's what the kids are calling it, right?

[Arian Foster]

I mean. Yeah. It's just funny hearing it from you.

[Big T]

What, from a white.

[Arian Foster]

I didn't say that. Why you guys got to bring racing to it?

[Big T]

No, I know. I just. I know that's what the kids call them now.

[Arian Foster]

From. From a Connor.

[Big T]

Right?

[Arian Foster]

Funny hearing it from a Connor.

[Big T]

Right. So people are. Have tried to put together who it looks like. The prevailing theory is that it could be a guy in the band of Savannah Guthrie's brother in law. So there's a picture of these three guys. They're in a band and it's vaguely reminiscent. And there's a post on a Facebook group that says, hey, I have some inside. Some inside from here in Tucson. Assume that's supposed to be inside info. My best friend's sister lives next door to one of the Tamasco's bandmate. The police have been present all day and we're getting updates that it's getting heavier. He's been missing for over a week also. I'll keep updating as I get more info.

[Arian Foster]

Now I don't have any.

[Big T]

I don't want to present that as fact, but.

[Arian Foster]

So they don't have any more footage. The only. Because she has cameras in her house, I assume. Right.

[Big T]

I don't know. We. I just know of the one at the front door that captured the guy going in.

[Arian Foster]

Interesting. Where did I see somewhere where they were like. They were like digging and there's like a hole somewhere or something like that.

[Big T]

Yeah, the septic tank. Was that Madeline, do you know was that at Nancy Guthrie's house or the sisters?

[Maddie]

This is the first time hearing of the septic tank hole.

[Eric]

I think it was the sisters.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Eric]

I think we mentioned it last. Last episode.

[Big T]

Oh, no, it was Nancy Guthrie's house.

[Maddie]

Oh, it was. Okay.

[Big T]

Yeah. Cop seen searching septic tank behind n. Nancy Guthrie's Arizona house.

[Arian Foster]

In latest twist, that that's Nancy Guthrie.

[Big T]

Is the mother who's missing.

[Maddie]

The one who's missing the.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, so her house. Okay, so they were checking her. Okay, so they didn't find anything. Yeah.

[Big T]

Three detectives were spotted sticking a long pole down the manhole behind the house. Although no further information has been released, they did detain a guy last night and question him, and then he was released. So I don't. That doesn't necessarily mean one way or the other, but he seemed to be very adamant that he had no involvement in it.

[Arian Foster]

Yikes.

[Big T]

So, yeah, I hope she's okay. I don't know if they're treating it as a. A homicide or if she's still out there.

[Arian Foster]

Well, they said they would pay. Why? Why haven't they paid? Are they being advised not to pay or what's the. I don't understand.

[Maddie]

I don't think they're revealing, like, every single one of those details, possibly.

[Big T]

All I heard was that they paid a little bit yesterday and they found, like, where the wallet was being accessed from. So maybe that helps them find the guy.

[Arian Foster]

So, I mean. So the FBI is telling them not to pay then?

[Big T]

I guess so.

[Arian Foster]

Because, like, okay, are you paying in that situation?

[Big T]

Yeah. If I knew she was alive, I was gonna say.

[Eric]

But there's also no. Like, you just have to trust that person. Like, okay, if you pay me, we're getting.

[Big T]

That's the other thing is usually, you know, there's some proof of life that I don't think they've received.

[Arian Foster]

So. Hold questions. Now, are they in communication currently with the kidnapper or is it just they've had one?

[Big T]

I don't know. I think they're doing kind of the video thing back and forth publicly.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Savannah Guthrie, the one who's on the Today show, has been posting videos basically talking straight to the captors, saying, we will talk. Please, we want to. We want our mother back. Like, talking straight to them.

[Arian Foster]

So they don't even know she's alive?

[Maddie]

No, they don't. And also the mom is an 84 year old woman who cannot walk for more than like 50ft unassisted, and also needed certain medications to stay alive. Like most, you know, 84 year olds. And they're like, she's without her medications, please. Like, but they were making sure that they. When this first happened, like 10 days ago, they were like, she is of cognitive mind. She is. This is not like An Alzheimer's. She, you know, just got up and walked out the door type of thing where she wandered off like she was sharp.

[Big T]

The. I guess her pacemaker had an app on her phone or something. And they said it quit communicating with the phone. Whereas even if you die and you have a pacemaker, it. It keeps going for, like, years, I think, sending electrical pulses to your heart or however it works. And they said it's quit communicating with her phone. So I don't even know what that indicates unless it was tampered with in some manner. But. Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

So this may be mean, but it would be a real conversation. How much are they asking for?

[Big T]

I don't know if that's been released. I assume it's a ton of money.

[Arian Foster]

I assume it's seven figures.

[Eric]

It says the FBI is offering $50,000 reward for information on the disappearance. A report indicated the ransom note demands $6 million in Bitcoin. Is that what we already talked about?

[Big T]

No, we. So, okay, so that makes sense. Seven figures.

[Arian Foster]

So, all right, I'mma keep it a b. If it's seven figures. And my mom. 84. I don't know.

[Big T]

Oh, man. Ar.

[Eric]

And she listens to this podcast.

[Arian Foster]

Ar I know. I love.

[Eric]

She's a fan.

[Big T]

She's a. She listens to the show.

[Arian Foster]

That's my heart right there. I don't know. 84.

[Maddie]

Aryan, come on.

[Big T]

Hey. And. And in a. You know you have $6 million, right?

[Maddie]

Aryan. Also Aryan.

[Big T]

It would. You know, it's still 6 million, but.

[Eric]

Like, would it crush you?

[Maddie]

But also Aryan. Think about, would you want your mom? Like, you never know where she is. Like they want. I think they're also starting to.

[Arian Foster]

You're right.

[Maddie]

Justice.

[Big T]

Hey, Justice.

[Maddie]

And they want their mom back on their body.

[Big T]

I'll be the one on the show. Ms. Burns. Bernadette, if I had $6 million, I would get you back.

[Arian Foster]

I'd get her back. I did have to think about it, though. 84, though, it's. It's.

[Big T]

Oh, you mean in the. In the most precious time you have left with your mother.

[Arian Foster]

And she can't walk.

[Intro Host]

He said.

[Big T]

Oh, man.

[Maddie]

Oh, my God.

[Eric]

She can, but she's not. Like, she's.

[Maddie]

She's not gonna run a marathon tomorrow.

[Eric]

She lives by herself.

[Maddie]

Arian, if your mom got snatched in the middle of the night, you would do anything in your power to kill.

[Big T]

You can have 10 years left.

[Maddie]

I know you and your mother means a lot to you. She. She would be found somehow, some way for you.

[Eric]

Yeah, I agree.

[Maddie]

Because even at the end of the day. You just want to know what happened besides anything else. What happened? And if she's not alive, you want her body.

[Arian Foster]

She can't walk though.

[Maddie]

Oh, my God.

[Arian Foster]

No, I'm just joking. I'm actually going to do it, but I'm like saying like there was like zero thought, like 84. No, let's do it. There's got to be a half, a little millisecond where he's.

[Big T]

I mean, I also assume, and this is pure conjecture, I have no idea how this works. Maybe. Well, so this is what. Maybe we should look into this. Obviously the FBI, every authority is involved. They don't just let you send $6 million to a criminal. Right. Like, are they paying it if someone.

[Arian Foster]

They're not gonna. They're not gonna reimburse you.

[Big T]

I know, but I just. I don't know how that works.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know how that works either. But like, like, yes, I'm absolutely gonna. I'm joking. But there is some thought that goes to. I. I give $6 million for moms. Like that changes things. You know what I'm saying? That changes things.

[Big T]

What, like your. Your relationship?

[Arian Foster]

No, of course not. Happy you're alive and we're here. Let's enjoy these last 10 years. But we're not going to enjoy them as much, I'll tell you that.

[Maddie]

Jesus.

[Arian Foster]

It's not your fault that we're not going to enjoy them as much. I'm just letting you know where we at. You know what I mean?

[Maddie]

So I. I'm trying to find out online what the ransom, if people get it back. And it says 83% of organizations that paid ransoms after cyber attacks. So not kidnapping necessarily, but just were demanded ransom, were targeted again and still lost anyways. But it says that usually you will not get that money back because it's in crypto and it will be quickly laundered. You think the government kind of covers that?

[Eric]

Right.

[Big T]

But how much money does Savannah Guthrie have?

[Maddie]

Probably a lot.

[Arian Foster]

Here's a good moral question for you, big T. Are you okay with the government setting up a tax funded fund for kidnapped people?

[Maddie]

Like a ransom slush fund?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Is this. Is this like an addendum to what taxes people already pay or this is just part like a line item in the budget.

[Arian Foster]

They find a way to.

[Big T]

I think we kind of should have that. Like we. I was. I've been talking about this guy so much on the show recently, but I was on the way back from Kentucky. We listened to a bunch of his podcasts. John Kiriakou, the CIA guy, he said that CIA agents have an unlimited budget to give people whatever they want if they think they can get information from him. He's like, so if you want. If you want your kid to go to Harvard, done deal there. In Harvard, we pay for the whole thing. If you want, you know, a million dollars, we give you a million dollars. So I feel like we kind of could have that.

[Arian Foster]

If. Yeah, if he says that, then they. Then they could pay the ransom.

[Big T]

Yeah, certainly.

[Maddie]

Also, it says Savannah Guthrie's net worth $40 million, much like that sounds. She gets. It's estimated she gets paid 8 million a year at the Today Show.

[Big T]

Eight million a year?

[Maddie]

It's estimated.

[Big T]

Us.

[Arian Foster]

That sounded like a little hate in that.

[Big T]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Maddie]

She brings smiles to millions of people's faces.

[Big T]

That's a lot, though.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Get it how you live, Savannah. Yeah. No, I would ask for the record. I'm just joking. I would absolutely pay the money to my mom, but. Ain't gonna hurt. You can't just lose 6 million and.

[Big T]

Not feel it like you're not. You're not taking her out to lunch when you pick her up.

[Arian Foster]

I'm absolutely taking her out to lunch when I pick her up. It's not her fault. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't be mad at her. I'm. I'm mad at the situation for sure. I'm like. I mean, we had got. We got to go through the trauma and I'm down 6ms. God, bro, you can't just make 6ms. Like, you got to grind for that.

[Big T]

Whoo.

[Eric]

Would you.

[Big T]

Would you start the market ripped last year. You'd be fine.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Did you get back on the field?

[Arian Foster]

No. Hell no.

[Maddie]

Coaching.

[Arian Foster]

No. Days is over. I. I would pursue some kind of money making venture, though, like where I would. Like. Actually, we would not be doing this podcast no more, I'll tell you that. Guys. Sorry.

[Big T]

Oh, that would be.

[Arian Foster]

I got shit to do now. I gotta really grind for this shit. You know what I'm saying? I got kids. I got kids to feed. Big T. You know what I mean? We gotta get this shit cracking.

[Big T]

Pft. And I would be the last ones left. We'd have to get somebody else.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Who's another 2010s? NFL. That would be good doing this. I may have to come back with a list for you on Monday of if. If your mom ever got kidnapped and you had to pay 6 million and you had to quit. Of another NFL player from my childhood that we could get.

[Arian Foster]

To keep. The show goes on.

[Eric]

Would you have to be Tennessee too?

[Big T]

No, but I'd prefer it. Right.

[Maddie]

What about Roddy White?

[Big T]

I would love Roddy White. So Roddy White lived in.

[Arian Foster]

Hey. I mean because you loved him so much and that's the goal. If my mother was to get kidnapped and Roddy White comes on the show, you would be the first suspect.

[Big T]

I'm just saying I don't love him that much. But he, he lived in my grandparents neighborhood when I was a kid and he had a custom Falcons 84 golf cartoon that I would see down at the pool sometimes and it was so sick. Saw him down there once but I was too scared to say anything.

[Arian Foster]

I'm thinking about getting crypto because it's down.

[Big T]

You don't need all that. Dude.

[Arian Foster]

I gotta make $6 million. Big T do. It's time to start.

[Big T]

You've got plenty of money making 8% a year. You don't. Do not get involved in crypto. Crypto.

[Arian Foster]

This is. No, no, not, not. I mean I'm not getting involved in crypto but I'm talking about like bitcoin.

[Big T]

Like getting one that's crypto. But like, I mean one. Yeah, that's fine.

[Arian Foster]

Like if I just got one and just like let's see what the market does.

[Big T]

But here's my thing about bitcoin. Jack Mack, who we've had on the show a couple times, he's number one bitcoin guy and he talks about, you know, if you buy bitcoin at a hundred thousand dollars and it goes to 60, you still have one bitcoin. Well, you know how I know you don't believe that? Because people only talk about bitcoin in its relation to the US dollar. Like, oh, bitcoin's down today. What's it down in USD? So if these people actually believed the bullshit they were peddling, we wouldn't even talk about it in its relation to.

[Arian Foster]

The US dollar because you don't talk about it. It's worse than pesos.

[Big T]

Do you big T. No, but if they actually believe that it's worth a bitcoin, then what it's, you know, its fluctuation wouldn't matter.

[Arian Foster]

No, I'm with you. I was just making fun of them. No, you're right. Like I've been me and you've been in lockstep with this guy. We had Jack Mac on. We had. Who else? Remember we had that dude?

[Big T]

Yes.

[Arian Foster]

There was like his name.

[Big T]

I see him on Twitter all the time. He has a brother yeah. What's his name? The bitcoin guy?

[Arian Foster]

He's like a crypto again.

[Big T]

This was four or five years ago.

[Maddie]

Yeah, we had him on the show.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Oh, Pompomiano.

[Maddie]

We had the.

[Big T]

Wait, is it Andrew? Is that his name?

[Eric]

Oh, it might be.

[Maddie]

Oh, we had that guy on the show.

[Big T]

Or Joe. It's a Pompliano. I think there are two of them.

[Maddie]

Pompliano.

[Big T]

That sounds correct.

[Maddie]

It is correct.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

I remember. I remember asking him, like. I just remember being like, yo, this is not gonna. He. He, like, he. I remember asking him something. He was like, I mean, yeah, but, you know, he's. It was very, very slim. Flimsy arguments. I remember that. But no, I don't think. I think it'd be fun to just watch. Like, it's not going. Like. I'm like, I never gambled with rent money, but just to see what it does. Because, like. Okay, so it's down right now. So I think maybe in another electric site or something could do it to make it spike. And I could just. I just get a cool little 60 grand for doing nothing. You know what I mean? Maybe.

[Big T]

Yeah. Would you sell it, though?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I don't what the fuck I'd do with it. I don't fuck about that shit.

[Big T]

I mean, it's been over a hundred fairly recently.

[Arian Foster]

Remember having those stupid fucking monkey pictures people were buying?

[Big T]

Yep. I've never. Listen, I've been right a lot. I've been wrong occasionally, but I've been right a lot in my life. I've never been more right than that whole craze we.

[Arian Foster]

I remember me and you was like, yo, this is dumb. This is fucking stupid.

[Big T]

And now they're going for $20 and people paid 2.6 million.

[Arian Foster]

That that whole craze was Internet brain rot on steroids. Like, you need to log off. You're buying a picture of a monkey that you can screenshot, dog.

[Big T]

Do you remember there was an actor, like a D list actor who. Who was like, please help me. My. What were they called? Bored apes. My bored ape was stolen. Someone, like, hacked into my account and stole it or something. And he said, I spent $800,000 on it. It was the guy. I got to find this guy. Act Bored ape stolen. He's like a Seth Green. He's like the. He's been a sidekick in, like, a bunch of movies. What movie is this guy from?

[Eric]

I know. I can picture him.

[Maddie]

I know who he is. Yeah. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Austin Powers.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

He's in, like, random Stuff.

[Big T]

If you see this guy, you'd go, oh, that guy.

[Maddie]

Radio days Can't Buy me love.

[Eric]

He's the family guy.

[Big T]

Family.

[Arian Foster]

The most expensive board ape ever sold was in an auction by Sothbees in September 2021. Sold for $24 million.

[Big T]

You should go to jail for that. If he bought that.

[Arian Foster]

Fucking, I wish I had got in on that dog just to fucking. I would sell so many bored ape pictures. That was the dumbest shit I think I've ever witnessed live.

[Big T]

It was comically moronic. And people were treating. They were like, you just don't get it. These are. This is. Nobody can have this. I own it. It's like, okay, you can. Like at least baseball cards. Like, I under. I understand that to an extent. There are. They're rare to different degrees. There's a physical thing that you have that you know, if you have a. What's the Mickey mantle cards in 1952 or 57? If you have one of those, like, that's really valuable. This is a. It's a shitty picture of a monkey. It's on a computer, though.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know, man. That. That was a fun time. Yo, the like. I just look at like the. Like, what is. Like, how is this, this time period gonna be like authored by historians in 400 years and like somebody's gonna have a footnote. Like the people were actually paying millions of dollars for pictures of vapes.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Absolutely fascinating. That. That whole was hilarious.

[Big T]

And again, not even a painting of an ape. A computer picture. And then do you remember there were these spin offs of buying sports cards that were NFTs, but there were. Yeah, I think it was called NBA Hotshot. Everyone in the office was hooked on it for a month.

[Arian Foster]

NBA, were they. Were they just NFTs?

[Big T]

Yeah. And it was like you could buy a hot. No, but it was like a highlight. Like it'd be a five second clip, top shot. Yeah, yeah. And it was like. So a LeBron dunk. You'd be like, I own this LeBron dunk. And it's like, well, well, what does that mean? Because I can watch it on YouTube and it. They. No, no, no. I have the NFT. And I mean, those got to be worth 50 cents now.

[Arian Foster]

So what would be interesting if. If the. If any of those major sports leagues would sell the rights to those clips that would make those valuable?

[Big T]

Sure.

[Arian Foster]

Like. Like, because I can't use that. Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't. I mean, they could. That would be. That should be. Actually, I wouldn't hate that idea, I.

[Big T]

Mean, they kind of have already sold them in having media rights deals with broadcasters.

[Arian Foster]

True, but can you imagine if they open up? Because, like, we can't. Like, you guys can't. Like, if you post something about my playing days, like on. On the gram or whatever, you can't post the highlights of me playing. Correct, Correct.

[Maddie]

We don't have the rights to NFL.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, right. Imagine like you could buy the rights to a clip that would be fire.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, but like, because the NFL and ESPN or CBS or whoever already owns it in conjunction.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. And that's weird in itself. I can't post a video of some. That I did. It's wild.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Shit's wild. Is there anything on. In the. On the gun three. We'll go through some more of these kidnappings.

[Big T]

No, you can do. You can do some.

[Maddie]

Unfortunately, there is nothing else.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. Just kind of hopefully waiting to see what happens.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Very sad situation. I know I joke a lot, but that shit sucks. And Mom, I absolutely, of course I would pay the money, but God damn. Damn, she would hurt. Dog. You can't just lose six sevens and be cool. But yes, I'm paying. I'm paying it for you moms. All right. There's some more kidnappings, famous kidnappings. And this one was interesting. I had no idea about this, did you? Frank Sinatra Jr. Got kidnapped.

[Big T]

I know, I've heard that, but had never looked into it at all.

[Arian Foster]

I had no idea. On December 8, 1963, Frank Sinatra Jr. He was abducted from his dressing room at Harris Lake Tahoe. And then the kidnappers demanded $240,000. What is the equivalent in 1963?

[Big T]

I'm going to guess. Can one of y' all look this up? I'm going to guess that 240 grand in 1963 is worth. $921,000.

[Arian Foster]

How close is he?

[Maddie]

2.5 million.

[Big T]

Wow. I was going to go higher, but that's an odd.

[Arian Foster]

That's an odd number to cut it off at. Like, why not?

[Big T]

It was probably. It was probably like two.

[Arian Foster]

What do you mean he's.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking of the equivalent. Yeah, that is weird.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, like 240. That's so specific.

[Big T]

Like, maybe that's what his dream house cost.

[Arian Foster]

250 quarter million. Like, why the. It's 240, dog. I don't know. Anyway, for several weeks, two former high school classmates in Los Angeles, Barry Keenan and Joe Amsler, they had been following him around.

[Big T]

Excuse me.

[Arian Foster]

From city to City. And their plan was to snatch him and demand money from. From Frank Sinatra. The senior Keenan, he was, he was 23, he was addicted to painkillers that he pretended to deliver a package to the young sister's dressing room. And when he opened the door, him and Amsler, they had some pistols on him. They entered the room, they tied him up, they tied up a friend of Sinatra junior who was present. And then he blindfolded him. See, this is, this is how you do crimes. This is how I, in my. I like this. You run up on them. You know what I'm saying? I mean I don't like that. But like this is, you know, saying there's no cell phone pings. This is, this is what it was. They drove him to a suburb of la. There was a third conspirator. Conspire. Conspirator. Yeah, I did that right. John Irwin, he was 42. God, Dick. He might have been 42 years old. And he's two 23 year olds coming to you. So y' all got a plan to go kidnap the most famous. I got, I got a plan to kidnap Bad Bunny's son. You know, that's. It's crazy and like 40 and I'm like no dog. Like what? Or maybe his, maybe it was his idea. Anyway, so the, the John Urban, a 42 year old, he called Frank and on December 10, he demanded 240k. Sinatra agreed to pay it, but actually offered more then quadruple. He. He offered a million. So he was like give me my boy back. That's, that's actually wild. So he was. So how much is a million? Do that math. How much is a million? Back then, eight. Damn. He'd have easily paid the six. He made the ransom. But the FBI recorded the money's serial numbers and his son was released unharmed after two days. This is how they got caught. Irwin, the 42 year old, he bragged to his brother about it and it was national news. And so his brother dimed him out, called the FBI and all three of them were arrested and convicted. Originally they were sentenced to 75 years life plus 75 years. They argued in court that Sinatra junior had essentially arranged the kidnapping to promote his own career. But it. They eventually threw appeals, they won less lesser sentences though Amsler and Irwin served three and a half years and Keenan just one more year. So they only got out for like three or four years.

[Big T]

That's kind of wild.

[Arian Foster]

That is kind of wild that when.

[Big T]

You talked about the FBI tracking the serial numbers, that seems to be what the play was back in the day though? Yeah, because Charles Lindbergh's baby. I didn't know about this. So his 20 month old son got kidnapped in March of 1932 and they received a ransom note demanding $50,000 that was left on the windowsill of the baby's nursery. During the search of the kidnapping scene, traces of mud were found on the floor of the nursery. Footprints, impossible to measure, were found under the nursery window. There were no blood stains in or about the nursery, nor were there any fingerprints. Then a week later they get another ransom note at the demands increased to 70 grand, so. But then they ended up finding the baby's body. He had been killed and. But In May of 1933, the Federal Reserve bank of New York discovered 296$10 gold certificates, one $20 gold certificate, all Lindbergh ransom notes. These bills were included among the currency received at the Federal Reserve bank on May 1st, 1933 and apparently had been made in one deposit. Immediately upon the discovery of these bills, deposit tickets at the Federal Reserve bank for May 1 were examined. One was found to bear the name and address of J.J. faulkner on West 149th Street. Despite extensive investigation, the depositor was never located. But then in August of the next year, they discovered more gold certificates in Yorkville and Harlem in New York City. And as each bill was recovered, a colored pin marking the location of the recovered bill was inserted in a large map of the metropolitan area indicating the movements of the individual who might be passing the ransom money. And so that's how they tracked down what was this guy's name? Bruno Hauptman, who lived on 222nd street in the Bronx.

[Arian Foster]

Solid can never name.

[Big T]

And he was found guilty of murder and in 1935 and in 1936 he was electrocuted. I did find in researching that though. If you'll allow me to find in my tabs here, Lindbergh Kidnapping hoax dot com. There is a website that looks like it's straight straight out of 1997 of someone who is devoted their life to letting the masses know that this kidnapping of this baby who was murdered is actually a hoax. And this guy's got. If you'll just go to that website again, Lindbergh.

[Arian Foster]

What is it? What is it?

[Big T]

Lindbergh Kidnapping hoax dot com. This guy has all sorts of evidence and stuff on the ransom notes. Every other word is in quotation marks to the first ransom note was quote found by Charles Lindbergh on the windowsill in the nursery. However, he forced everyone to ignore it for over two hours. Even though he said it was ransom note from the quote kidnapper. He just puts everything in quotation marks and it's. I mean this guy cares deeply about this incident. You got to give him that.

[Arian Foster]

How do you spell Lind?

[Big T]

Is it L, I, N, D, B, E, R, G, H?

[Arian Foster]

I was doing U. Okay. Lindberg kidnapping hoax dot com.

[Big T]

Not an ad.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, yeah. This is definitely 1997 message board vibes.

[Big T]

I mean he's got FBI files of Russian spies that were somehow involved in this. Yeah, it's. There's way too much in here to even possibly. I'll go over. But this guy cares, man.

[Arian Foster]

Holy. This is. See this kind of. I like. I like this like this. I'm not going through all of this, but so the. He has all these like. This is done horribly by the way. But just he has like. It's sectioned off for like evidences to. How like to prove his point. Here's a couple of them. DNA and the ladder. Contrary to public knowledge of this case, there has never been an iota of hard evidence linking Hopman to Hopwell, New Jersey the night of March 1, 1932. Except for a ladder. And then ladder has a. That has an entirely new page it takes you to. Which has all this other. Hey, I don't know, man. According to the reporter Laura Vitray in the Great Lindenberg Hullaboo, most mysterious of all clues in the kidnapping is that three seated section ladder itself. The colonel's conviction that it was used in the kidnapping has been unservedly endorsed by the New Jersey State Police merely because a trial. A trail of footprints were. Were found leading from beneath the baby's window to the spot where it had been dropped. Yet it was such a ladder as it. As is frequently frequently used on construction jobs. And can over. Can over. Construction company of Princeton, builders of the Lindenberg home admitted it was lumber similar to that employed on various jobs by them. Every expert who has ever examined it has agreed it was made by a master carpenter. Although in two of two of its sections the rings were carefully mortized and in the. In the third they were hastily nailed on. It would not have been unusual if the latter had been one that was lying about in the Lindenberg estate. So they never linked them to the actual ladder.

[Big T]

Yeah, I guess my. My inclination is that this guy is probably incorrect. But it's hard to say that because he knows 10,000 times more about this than I do.

[Arian Foster]

So yeah, like I'm never going through all this is a Lot of. But he. He has dedicated a good portion of his life to not believing this.

[Big T]

This is actually. I kind of respect the hell out of this. And I think I want to find some relatively obscure but still noteworthy historical event that nobody is the world's foremost expert on, and I want to become the number one expert on that thing.

[Arian Foster]

There was a time I did this. I did this. It was with the Michael Jackson allegations, but there.

[Big T]

But there are people who have studied that extensively.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I didn't uncover anything new. I just. I just uncovered all of the broth of evidence that is out there. And I mean, dog. I was reading depositions. I was. I was looking at. I was looking at everything. Like, there was so many. So much like layers and layers and layers of evidence. And I got. I got sucked in for, like, two months. Waking up, reading about this, researching about this, reading books, reading the. I got. I got. He got me. He got a hold of me, which is why I believe he's innocent. But I could be. You know, you never know what goes on in those rooms. But there's. There's. There's a lot of evidence. Proven and proven. The contrary.

[Big T]

Dead now.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Rip Goat.

[Big T]

I got it. Yeah. I. Maybe by Monday I'm going to think of something that I want to become the world's number one expert on that nobody's really.

[Arian Foster]

I kind of did that with the. What was it? The. Not. Not nearly to the extent, but I definitely look deeper into it. The. What were those murders in.

[Big T]

In Europe.

[Arian Foster]

And you can go tour where they were. Jack the River.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah. In England.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. I kind of got into Jack the Ripper as well, because that. That was. That's a fascinating.

[Big T]

But again, like, those are. Like, there are people who have PhDs in that. It's got to be something like this that people know about, but nobody's ever cared to be an expert on.

[Arian Foster]

You want to do some. Some investigative journalism?

[Big T]

Yeah, I just. I respect the hell out of this guy dedicating his life to having an opinion that, like, nobody really cares about one way or the other. Like, he might be right. I don't know. Who cares?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. I'll do it with you, man. If you. If you pick an interesting one.

[Big T]

All right, what kind do you want to. Again, it's so weird because it's got to be like. It's like when you do a PhD, doesn't it? Or a dissertation for your PhD doesn't have to be on something that nobody's ever done before. Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

It has to be something that you you're trying to. You're trying to prove you know your subject in a way that, like, and. And doing it with an argument that nobody has had before or seen before.

[Big T]

Like, so it's hard to. I'm gonna look into some stuff. We'll see.

[Arian Foster]

I'm in.

[Big T]

Dog.

[Arian Foster]

I'm in. Other famous kidnappings was. I did not notice either. Dog, Kim Kardashian was kidnapped.

[Maddie]

She was. Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

I had.

[Big T]

You don't remember?

[Maddie]

She had all of her jewelry stolen.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah. It was a big deal in Paris.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember. So she was in a hotel in Paris when two men knocked on the door. First of all, are you staying, like, not with, like, with security in a hotel? There's no security. I don't know, man. Like, how do you. Your Kim Kardashian. You don't have, like, on guard. Security like, you should Kim Kardashian.

[Big T]

I'm sure they do, but, I mean, you know, those guys may be.

[Arian Foster]

So they knocked on the door dressed as police. Okay. Well, no, no. Wearing a gown. She was tied up with plastic cables, and they put duct tape over her mouth and leg. Mouth, eyes, and legs. So they made off with, like, what, $4 million engagement ring? That's a lot for an engagement ring, dog. And Kanye had got her that two Cartier Cardi. Cartier. Cartier, Cartier, Cartier bracelets, Rolex.

[Big T]

Yeah. I know you're not like, a huge jewelry guy, but you are too rich to not know how to pronounce Cartier.

[Arian Foster]

No, the first time I heard a Cartier, I was on the sidelines when I was playing with the Dolphins and one of the homies. I forget his name. He was a db but he had a breast. And it said. And it said that. I said, what is that? He said, he's like, man, quit playing, man. I was like, I don't know what that is. What is that you playing? I was like, dog, I just genuinely don't know what the that is. I don't have jewelry, dog. What is that? He's like, you don't know Cardi Cardier. I was like, nah, he was wearing that.

[Big T]

Playing in a game.

[Arian Foster]

We were both on the sideline in Jersey. We were both. Yeah, I. It's not my. Not my bag. I don't, like. I'm not, like, a designer dude. Like, I don't have, like, a bunch of designer. Now golf. That's different, you know, I mean, I'm in the know. I'm in the know. In 2021, 12 people were charged in connection with the robbery. One of them, Eunice Abbas. Again, that's another fire kidnapper name. Wrote a book about it. I' ma butcher the out of this. Josh Sequestra. Kim Kardashian. I kidnapped Kim Kardashian. I'm assuming that's in French.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Sequestra. Notably, one suspect has been reported to have died in the nearly 10 years since the robbery occurred. Collectively, the group has been widely referred to as the Grandpa Robbers due to the advantage advanced ages of almost all of them.

[Big T]

I can't believe that was in 2016.

[Arian Foster]

I have no recollection of this.

[Big T]

2020 just really ruined time because it was like a whole year that didn't count. So now everything's just thrown off. If you asked me, I would have said that was like 2021.

[Arian Foster]

I know why I retired in 2016, and I just wasn't, like, involved in society. I was kind of like on my journey back to self. The beginning.

[Big T]

Were you, like, depressed?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. But happy as well. It's a very weird feeling. You're.

[Big T]

You're.

[Arian Foster]

You're mourning. You're mourning a version of yourself that you always. That you. That you worked your entire life to be. But, like. Excuse me. You're also proud of yourself, but you're also extremely sad to see that part go. But you're also happy because you don't have to do it anymore.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

It was a very odd, emotional roller coaster for me. It was hard to parse out. That's why I started therapy. I was like, I don't know how to. These feelings are very conflicting. I felt, you know that inside out, that movie.

[Big T]

Mm.

[Arian Foster]

Brilliant. Brilliant. Because at the end, you realize there is no happy without sad. And sometimes they're the same. Brilliant. That's how I felt.

[Big T]

Love that.

[Arian Foster]

Thanks, man.

[Maddie]

Have you seen two kidnappings? Two HYP or famous kidnappings that were never solved? JonBenet Ramsey and Madeleine McCann have both been possibly connected or not connected, but people are suspecting that Epstein has something to do with both of them.

[Big T]

Really?

[Maddie]

Did you guys look at this?

[Arian Foster]

JonBenet Ramsey.

[Maddie]

Look at this. I'm sending it in the group chat. The police sketch that Madeleine McCann's kidnapper has looks eerily similar to Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Big T]

Wow. There's a good documentary out there about Madeleine McCann.

[Maddie]

Yeah. And so Madeleine McCann was mentioned in the Epstein files when her documentary came out. And someone emailed Jeffrey Epstein saying, you know, Madeleine McCann documentary, something, something, something. And so it was talked about in these files that were released. And then Jonbenet Ramsey. I believe there is a picture of JonBenet Ramsey. Now this I may have been got a bit. But there is a picture, slash familial connection of JonBenet's parents to Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Big T]

I have a theory on JonBenet Ramsey, and I shouldn't say it's not my theory. It's. I've adopted it, though. You know who she is?

[Maddie]

Katy Perry.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

That's a conspiracy.

[Big T]

You should look into that.

[Maddie]

Yeah. You think that. Do you think that's true?

[Big T]

No, I don't know. I just know that some people think that.

[Maddie]

Yeah. But the Ghislaine Maxwell Madeleine McCann sketch is freakily similar. And I mean, unfortunately, it would kind of, I mean. Vanished into thin air.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know that I care enough to look deeper into it, but that is wild.

[Maddie]

Yeah. But. Wow, that's. Those are just my two connections I wanted to make about kidnappings and the news currently, but.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, that's crazy. Well, that concludes macrodosian for the day next week. I'm sure Eric will be back. Who knows? You know, we hope.

[Eric]

Not us.

[Big T]

I'll tell you. We'll find out Monday at noon because he ain't gonna tell us before then.

[Maddie]

What if he's actually not here? Vacation?

[Big T]

He might not. He might not be.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know. I don't know, man.

[Maddie]

We're joking. This is a. This is something that could happen.

[Arian Foster]

Like, clearly. Look, he left his glasses. They're just sitting there and everything.

[Big T]

I'll find out when we do.

[Arian Foster]

Yep. So maybe he'll be back next week. Maybe not. But appreciate y' all stopping in, spending some time with us because, you know, life is weird, man. And we appreciate you just spending a little time with us because this is. This is a wild place to be a part of. Appreciate y'. All. Love y'. All.

[Maddie]

Make sure you get your girlfriend's flowers.

[Arian Foster]

Couldn't pay for their dinner.