Con Artists & Master Manipulators | June 18, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing: Con Artists & Master Manipulators

Podcast: Macrodosing (Barstool Sports)
Episode: Con Artists & Master Manipulators | June 18, 2026
Hosts: PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Big T, Mackenzie, and others
Recording Date: June 17, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives into the world of con artists and master manipulators throughout history—exploring the psychology, legendary stories, and cultural impact of famous schemers. Woven through are discussions on sports rivalries, viral moments, streaming culture, and current events, all delivered with the hosts' signature humor and irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sports Rivalries: The Art of Manufactured Hate

[06:01–24:00]

• Saddest Rivalries

  • The hosts debate which sports rivalries are pathetic, mostly “manufactured” or unreciprocated (e.g., UConn inventing a rivalry with UCF: "the civil conflict").
    • "They just made up this fake rivalry and Big Cat really wants the trophy.” (Big T, 10:00)
  • Jim Harbaugh’s story of inventing a rivalry flag to hype up meaningless games.
  • College football and MLB get credit for real rivalries; pro sports rivalries generally feel less intense now due to free agency and businesslike atmospheres.

• Saddest NFL Rivalries

  • Titans/Jaguars and Panthers/Falcons get labeled as meaningless.
  • “The Panthers almost have like a cuck rivalry situation going on.” (Host, 14:46)

• International Rivalries

  • US-Mexico in soccer highlighted as intense and dangerous.
    • “I don’t think I’d ever go to a US-Mexico game in Azteca. Like, I think that’s legitimately dangerous.” (Big T, 22:39)
  • Other soccer rivalries: England-France; Senegal-Morocco’s disputed final.
    • "Senegal is our champion, and Morocco is just the champion at complaining." (Host, 21:15)

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2. Viral Fame, Media, and Streaming Culture

[46:31–61:01]

• The story of "Freddie," the German fan road-tripping through America for the World Cup, who gains fame and is swept from simple adventures into influencer high-life—raising questions on authenticity versus commercialization.
  • “The charm was in the simplicity...now he’s getting private jets and five-star hotels.” (Big T, 46:32)
• Comparison to YouTube golf content: original “regular guy” appeal now replaced by overproduced influencer content.
  • “What tends to be more attractive to me is the low quality, like grainy film that sht is recorded on. I think when sht is just getting too good...I tend to back up.” (Arian, 53:22)
• Debate over new media, live streaming vs. traditional podcasting, and what younger generations value.
  • “I think we’re old media at this point. I think the streamers are the [cutting edge].” (Big T, 80:08)

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3. Cultural Notes, Rivalries, and Miscellaneous Banter

[25:28–45:00 & scattered]

• Light-hearted arguments over ballpark food promotions, baseball dessert, banana pudding, and “chicken nugget” origin.
• Stories from international travel, like Qatari royal fans of Barstool, and camel racing in Qatar complete with robot jockeys.
  • “They’ve got robot jockeys...this is a must.” (Big T, 69:20)

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4. Con Artists & Master Manipulators: Deep Dive

[90:13– End]

Famous Schemes & Grifters

• Frank Abagnale, Jr. (“Catch Me If You Can”)

  • Exposed as perhaps "the con artist who conned everyone into thinking he was a great con artist."
    • “History’s greatest con artist as portrayed in a Hollywood film by an Oscar winning actor might itself be a con pulled off by a guy who is at one point just an average con artist.” (Host, 91:52)
  • Double-layers of deception—Abagnale fabricated exploits and sold his legend.

• Victor Lustig (The Man Who Sold the Eiffel Tower...Twice)

  • Dressed as a French government official, solicited bids to “dismantle” and sell the Eiffel Tower for scrap.
    • Sold a "money box" scam to gullible buyers.
    • Wrote the “Ten Commandments for Conmen” (see below).

• Charles Ponzi

  • Ran the original "Ponzi Scheme" using international postal coupons; not the first to use the tactic, but the most infamous.
    • “Would you rather be Charles Ponzi and have the scheme named after you, even though you weren’t the first to do it?” (Host, 104:40)

• Gregor MacGregor

  • Falsified an entire country, “Poyais,” selling land and fake bonds, resulting in settlers' deaths and bilking millions out of investors.
    • “Awesome name, great name. But he made up a fake country.” (Big T, 105:38)

• Modern Grifters & Socialites

  • Anna Sorokin (fake heiress in New York)—using confidence and privilege to manipulate the wealthy and powerful.

• Fine Art as a Grift

  • Discussion of the art world being built on appraisals, tax write-offs, and often questionable value.

Notable Quotes on Conning

• “It’s listening, not fast talk, that lands the con.”
• “Never boast. Let your importance be quietly obvious.”
  – (From Victor Lustig's “Ten Commandments for Conmen,” 118:01—see full list below)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On LeBron James possibly copying Arian’s pantry story:
  “I don’t think LeBron James needs to take Arian Foster’s life story, man. He got a good one.” (Aaron, 03:53)
• On soccer flopping:
  “If you flop in the penalty area...chances are you’re going to score a goal. And a goal is worth a ton in soccer.” (Host, 85:55)
• On Messi vs. Ronaldo:
  “Ronaldo is Drake, Messi is Kendrick Lamar.” (Host, 83:48)
• On fine art and confidence games:
  “You throw some paint on a canvas, get someone to appraise it at $200,000, and then it’s a tax write off. That is a Ponzi scheme.” (Big T, 116:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Rivalries: College, Pro, and International
  • [06:01–24:00]
• Ballpark Chicken Giveaway Banter
  • [25:28–30:00]
• Viral Fame, Media Decay, and Streaming Discussion
  • [46:31–61:01]
• International Experiences: Qatar and Camel Racing
  • [64:00–70:00]
• Intro to Con Men, Discussions of Abagnale, Lustig, Ponzi
  • [90:13–106:01]
• Victor Lustig’s “Ten Commandments” for Con Artists
  • [118:01–119:09]

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Victor Lustig’s Ten Commandments for Con Artists ([118:01])

1. Be a patient listener.
2. Never look bored.
3. Let the other person reveal their politics first, then agree with them.
4. Same with religion.
5. Hint at sex talk, but don’t push it unless they bite.
6. Don’t bring up illness unless they show concern first.
7. Never pry into someone’s personal life. They'll tell you everything eventually.
8. Never boast. Let your importance be quietly obvious.
9. Never be untidy.
10. Never get drunk.

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Tone, Style, & Structure

The conversation is highly conversational, loaded with jokes, sidebars, personal anecdotes, and spot-on asides. The hosts keep things lively, jumping between deep dives on historical con artists and the latest sports news or fan culture debates.

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For Your Convenience (If You Haven’t Listened)

• This episode provides a thorough, funny, and actually insightful look into the personalities and tactics behind some of history’s wildest con artists.
• You’ll also get a dose of sports nostalgia, current events, and media commentary—with plenty of the hosts’ irreverent, playful energy.
• If you ever wondered how confidence tricks work, or what separates a legendary scheme from common fraud, this one’s for you.

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Next week: Tune in for more sports, conspiracies, and brain-tickling takes—plus Big T’s honeymoon recap!

Transcript

[Host]

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[Aaron]

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[Host]

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[Aaron]

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[Host]

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[Big T]

Listen, listen. I hope he does listen for whatever Trump has done a lot of dumb. The pool looks way, way better. And you can't say it doesn't he. He's fixing the pool.

[Host]

Well, he did. He fixed the pool.

[Big T]

And then people are going to act like the pool was never was. Always looked like this.

[Host]

Now he fixed the pool and now the pool is. Is fighting back.

[Big T]

Is it?

[Host]

Welcome back to macro dosing. It is Wednesday. It is June 18th. Sorry, it's. It's Thursday, June 18th. Bad start, bad start to the program. We're recording on Wednesday, June 17th.

[Big T]

A little behind the scenes.

[Host]

Thursday, June 18th. And we're back in studio. And happy birthday to Mackenzie as we're. As we're recording this. Happy birthday Mackenzie.

[Mackenzie]

Thanks. Yesterday.

[Host]

Well, it's. Wait, it was Tuesday. Yeah, I'm so bad. I thought. I thought it was Wednesday.

[Big T]

29 again. 20.

[Host]

My mistake.

[Mackenzie]

29 again.

[Host]

This is off to. We're off to a rousing start here. I'M gonna blame the. The WI fi being down at the Chicago office.

[Mackenzie]

It is.

[Host]

Yeah, it's not good. It's spotty.

[Big T]

I'm watching soccer right now. Just fine. Maybe I'm using all of it.

[Host]

You're using all the bandwidth?

[Aaron]

Yes.

[Big T]

4K.

[Host]

You're sucking up all that Internet over here. Aaron, how you doing?

[Aaron]

I'm doing good. How you doing, man?

[Host]

I'm okay. I'm all right. Just. Just trying to. Trying to grind through this week because I just keep thinking about the next U.S. soccer game.

[Aaron]

Same was it. When's the next game?

[Big T]

On Friday, 3 Eastern.

[Aaron]

TGIF. Yep.

[Host]

Hey, before we get started with anything else, I saw that clip of. Of Aryan talking about the pantries the first time that they saw a pantry in his life. Didn't know what it was. And then LeBron James went on a podcast and told the exact same story. Word for word, bar for bar.

[Aaron]

Pretty similar.

[Host]

It's interesting. Yeah.

[Aaron]

I could chalk it up to shared experiences, you know, as a. As a young, poor man in America.

[Host]

Okay, all right. So we're not. We're not willing to say that he's taking your life story.

[Aaron]

I don't think LeBron James needs to take Harry Foster's life story, man. He got a good one.

[Host]

I mean, if he starts. If he starts trying to tell a story about, like, being a 13 year old trying to, like trying to hit on prostitutes and then being like, get away from me. You're 13. Then. Then I'll start asking.

[Aaron]

Wasn't. Wasn't trying to. That was going down.

[Host]

What's up, lady? How you doing, ma'?

[Aaron]

Am?

[Host]

Brought you some flowers.

[Big T]

It was a little on the nose, though.

[Host]

Yeah, that's pretty on the nose. That's the thing is, like, I'm sure other people have the story too, or a similar experience where he told it was. Was remarkably similar.

[Big T]

You know what's disrespectful about it? If it's true, which we don't think it is. But, I mean, he told a very is. It's not that he stole the story. It's that he thinks our show isn't big enough that people would notice.

[Host]

That would be a slap in the face.

[Big T]

He's like, yeah, I saw this clip. I'm going to jack that. It's from a show nobody watches.

[Host]

Now, I have heard from a mutual friend of ours who's actually also a mutual friend of LeBron's. Interesting that there's some other NBA players that listen to our podcast, so shout out to you if you're if you're in the NBA.

[Mackenzie]

Hello, NBA.

[Big T]

What. What teams?

[Host]

Let's say in there in the South.

[Aaron]

Okay.

[Big T]

Interesting.

[Host]

Yeah, they're in the South.

[Big T]

Like really south or like the South?

[Host]

The South.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

Let's just say I look forward to the rivalry with the Wizards in this team.

[Big T]

Okay. That leaves us, I think about.

[Host]

We're about to. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

I have a.

[Aaron]

Who are the.

[Host]

Who are the Bullets and the Wizards who are rivals? Good question. I think.

[Aaron]

I don't know that I've ever thought about that, actually.

[Host]

All right, so going through my. My history as a fan, I can remember two distinct rivalries that we had. We had two rivalries. One was The Cleveland Cavaliers. LeBron James when he was first with the Cavs and he hadn't won yet. Yeah. Mad Dog's got this look like I never thought about the Wizards at all.

[Mackenzie]

Well, nobody beats the Wiz. But why?

[Host]

Well, because when LeBron was first coming

[Big T]

up, the Wizards were really good.

[Host]

The Wizards were okay, I think. I don't think we ever got above, like a 4 seed. Certainly didn't win 50 games in a year, but we had some good playoff battles. Gilbert Renus and LeBron James. Oh, there's a big rivalry for a little bit. It was like a two year rivalry, but we consider that to be like a pretty heavy one.

[Aaron]

Okay.

[Host]

And that's actually. That's really the only rivalry I can remember us having.

[Mackenzie]

Wow. I didn't know we had this animosity between us.

[Host]

Oh, yeah, it goes way. But it's hate week whenever the Cavs are in town.

[Mackenzie]

Got it.

[Aaron]

But yeah, my favorite forgotten point guards of all time, Gilbert Arenas and Baron Davis.

[Host]

Yes, Baron.

[Aaron]

Baron Davis was a. Oh, my. You people forget, like, how unreal. Like, had every facet of the game. Like, and with Yam on a. Would absolutely take it down. And Yam is writing somebody nuts in the face.

[Host]

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[Mackenzie]

Baron Davis upset. He should have gone Farther on Dancing with the Stars too.

[Host]

Oh, really?

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, he was just on last season. Yeah, he.

[Host]

I mean, he can do it all.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Would you say the team that this guy is on, the city is more known for like chicken wings or barbecue sauce?

[Host]

Chicken wings. Which are. Which is this city known more for chicken wings or barbecue sauce? I think.

[Big T]

Or beaches?

[Host]

The city.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

I. Between those three, I'm not, I'm not really feeling a strong connection to either really. Or all of them. No. If I had to. If I had a gun point on my head and said, what. What is this city known more for with these three, I think I would probably say barbecue sauce.

[Big T]

Okay. I. Okay.

[Host]

All right. Something interesting to mull over a little bit.

[Big T]

If you had to compare the city to a card in a deck of cards, what card would it be?

[Mackenzie]

The queen.

[Big T]

Okay. We're on the.

[Host]

It would be the queen.

[Big T]

Why was that a difficult thing to choose?

[Host]

Because I don't think that city is known for barbecue sauce.

[Big T]

The state is.

[Host]

No, it's not. It's known for a type of barbecue

[Big T]

and a sauce and a distinct sauce

[Host]

and a flavor profile that goes along with it.

[Big T]

All right, I've got a guess.

[Host]

Okay. But yeah, so shout out to the NBA players. Just hope, you know that next year it's on site because no more Mr. Nice Guy. What do you think are the saddest rivalries in sports? We always talk about the big rivalry games, but which are the. Which are the ones where it's a team that's like, that's desperate to be hated by somebody.

[Big T]

Civil conflict.

[Host]

Yeah, that was. What is it?

[Aaron]

What's the civil conflict?

[Big T]

The civil conflict is a rivalry that was completely made up out of thin air by the University of Connecticut. And they said, UCF Central Florida is our rival now. And UCF was like, what? And they were like, yeah, it's the civil conflict. We're making a trophy. And then UCF beat the hell out of them. And Connecticut was like, congratulations, hard fought. Here's your trophy. And they left it sitting on the field. And doesn't Big Cat have. Have a beat on where it's at?

[Host]

I don't think they're giving that one up.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

Whoever has it is not going to give it up.

[Big T]

Yeah, but. So they just made up this fake rivalry and Big Cat really wants the trophy.

[Aaron]

Is it just a one time deal?

[Big T]

I think for a couple years. Yukon was like, yeah, that's our rival. And UCF was like, no, it's not.

[Host]

It's like, we don't think about you at all.

[Aaron]

Whose idea was this?

[Big T]

But Bob Diako, the former coach at UConn.

[Aaron]

Okay, so he's trying to get his. Yeah. This guy's gone.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think so.

[Host]

Fun story that. That Jim Harbaugh told us one time when he was at San Diego. He was trying to get the boys going for a rivalry, too, and he invented a trophy, complete with a flag. Like a rivalry flag that you could capture. Like, kind of like a pennant in baseball. I like that he brought it. I want to say it was against Dayton. It was against some Ohio team. I'm gonna go with Dayton on this one. And so they traveled to Dayton and they beat Dayton, and then they started waving the flag around on the sideline. But Dayton had no idea that they were playing a flag game. They had no idea that there was a trophy on the line. So Harbaugh just brought his own trophy to the game, beat the other team, and just said, we got the trophy. What are you going to do about it? And they're like, what trophy? What are you talking about? I love stuff like that, though. It's what makes college football great. Like you said, it is the stupidest sport.

[Big T]

Yeah. That's what makes it awesome.

[Host]

And the stupid stuff is what makes it absolutely incredible.

[Big T]

Trying to think of more sad rivalries. Like, obviously, there are ones where, you know, Oklahoma State never beat Oklahoma, but that's it. Like, those schools still really actually hate each other.

[Host]

So I wouldn't put that one's particularly sad because no matter how much you hate Oklahoma State, you hate Texas more.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

If you're at Oklahoma.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

And you. Actually, I think you respect Texas to a certain extent. You hate them.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

But you respect the rivalry. You do not respect the rivalry with Oklahoma State.

[Big T]

Agreed.

[Aaron]

That's top five rivalry right there. That's cold. What is Red River Shootout?

[Big T]

Yeah, I can't say that anymore because awoke. It's the Red river rivalry.

[Aaron]

Right, Right.

[Big T]

Do you think I still say shootout? For the record, do the.

[Host]

The Florida Rebel, you, the Florida Panthers, and the Tampa Bay Lightning. Would you consider that a Florida hockey rivalry?

[Big T]

I don't know enough about the NHL. I just.

[Aaron]

I.

[Big T]

There are very few pro sports rivalries I respect. Very few.

[Host]

Which would those be?

[Big T]

Yankees, Red Sox, I respect. Cubs. Cardinals I respect.

[Aaron]

Not the Brewers.

[Host]

Cubs.

[Big T]

No, that's. Honestly, that's kind of a sad one, because every time they play In Milwaukee, it's 90% Cubs fans.

[Host]

Well, yeah, well, we've been.

[Aaron]

We've been waxing our ass last.

[Big T]

Yeah, I know. The brewers have Been a better team.

[Aaron]

Yeah. So they just needed me on the squad. That's all they needed.

[Big T]

NHL, like, I know there are big rivalries, but it's, you know, when you're playing an 82 game season, it's just not. I guess baseball is double that, but whatever. NFL area. And what are your top NFL rivalries? Like? Those are the ones that, like. Because it's football and I lean more on the college side, when I see NFL quote rivalries, it just doesn't hit for me.

[Aaron]

Yeah, I mean, anytime you do professional sports, it don't really hit like that. But I would say Pittsburgh, Baltimore, that's a good one. They don't play a lot, but when they do, and this is probably nostalgia for me, but the Cowboys and the 49ers, when they just. Maybe it's just the color aesthetic and back when I was growing up, that shit. That shit feels good. That's. That's about it. That is. There's really. You don't really have rivals like that in the NFL. The division foes is probably more accurate.

[Big T]

It's the Texans and Colts on rivalry weekend.

[Aaron]

Yeah, they don't really hit like that. No.

[Big T]

Honestly. Well, the saddest one is Thursday night. Titans, Jags.

[Host]

Yeah. Yep. That was sad for a couple years when they do the mustard jerseys. That was a very sad rivalry.

[Aaron]

That whole color rush was whack.

[Host]

Yeah. But it was also, like, kind of cool because it was like the uniforms a little bit different.

[Aaron]

I'm glp when it comes to my sports uniforms.

[Host]

That is true.

[Aaron]

I'm classic. I like them classic. Get all that new age foo foo out of here.

[Host]

What do the Panthers say their rival is?

[Big T]

I think the Falcons and Saints, both of whom are bigger rivals with each other than the Panthers.

[Host]

The Panthers almost have like a cuck rivalry situation going on.

[Big T]

So maybe they have the Bucks. Maybe they're like, we got the Bucks. And then the Falcons and Saints have each other.

[Host]

Maybe. But I still feel like the Bucks, to me, the Bucks big rival is the Saints.

[Big T]

Well, then they're cucked as well.

[Aaron]

You know, I like Green Bay and Minnesota. I like that robbery. That's like a nice little up north. It's not bad.

[Big T]

See, I think the packers would be the Bears. Yeah.

[Mackenzie]

I think the Bears are the bigger one for them. They hate each other.

[Aaron]

Could be, too. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

I just feel like, you know, I

[Aaron]

say the biggest one. Baltimore, Pittsburgh. That's the biggest one.

[Host]

The. The Bucks. I think the rivalry with the Saints is largely just a byproduct of Mike Evans and CD Deuce, just constantly fighting for the last, like, 10 years.

[Big T]

CD Deuce.

[Host]

I forgot. Yeah. CJ Gardner, Johnson.

[Big T]

I was unfamiliar with that.

[Aaron]

Oakland and. Well, just the Raiders and the Chargers. That. That was a big rivalry. That's me, because I'm from San Diego. Another one was the Raiders and the Chiefs. That's. That's a pretty big one, too. Raiders and Chiefs is a big one.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Rivalries is trying to. In. In professional sports are kind of just not the same anymore.

[Host]

It's not the same.

[Aaron]

Lakers and Celtics.

[Host]

Yeah. Rivalries in basketball are just. They're. They're different. If you didn't have a rivalry that was started back in, like, the 1980s, it feels like you don't really have a die hard, hated rival. Maybe I'm misreading a little bit, but it does feel like the main ones are the ones from. From, you know, a couple decades ago.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Free free agency.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And, you know, as I'm going through it in my head, the ones I named that I respect, I think it's that in baseball, in those rivalries in particular, those games this year being played on the same field that Ted Williams played the Yankees on or that Ozzy Smith played the Cubs on.

[Host]

Right.

[Big T]

You know, like, there's. There's still an element of history.

[Host]

The environment matters.

[Big T]

Yeah. Whereas, you know, you're playing at Acrisure Field against the Ravens. Like. Okay.

[Host]

Yeah. The more. The more corporate it feels, the less intense the rivalry gets.

[Big T]

Yeah. And then college football, same thing. Obviously, a lot of those games played in the same places for the last 50, 60, 70 years.

[Host]

Yeah. College basketball, too.

[Big T]

Yep.

[Host]

Yep. What about World Cup? Any. What are the biggest international rivalries? Do we have a Raven Steelers?

[Big T]

I mean, us in Mexico, in terms of hate, has to be up there, Right.

[Host]

I think it would definitely be in

[Big T]

the top five, because in Europe, like, they're better teams, obviously, but I don't know who really hates each other short of like, you know, Scotland and England or.

[Host]

Well, there are some teams that have historical, like, actual wars between them that they've. Like England and France, sure, they hate each other. I don't know how much. How many times they've played consequential soccer games.

[Big T]

Like when Spain and Portugal play. I'm sure that's a rivalry to some degree. But are they, like, you know, do they hate each other?

[Host]

I have to imagine Spain, I don't know, because parts of Spain hates itself, so I don't know how much they probably, like, see Portugal's point I get it.

[Aaron]

Does that even mean. I get it?

[Host]

Portugal. I mean, Spain's got, like, three different districts that are always like, hey, we're gonna leave.

[Big T]

We're not Spain.

[Host]

We're not Spain. If you call us Spanish, we'll. We'll drive a car bomb up to you.

[Aaron]

There's Spaniards that don't call themselves Spanish. Yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

The what. What's the region? Castile.

[Host]

Yeah. Because they're the ones that speak when they say, like, votros with the lisp.

[Aaron]

Okay. They got a little. Little accent. They're trying to succeed.

[Host]

They have. I think they're on good terms right now. I think that there hasn't been. It was off and on for a

[Aaron]

while and maybe, like, what is their country's pronouns? How do they identify? I think it's called Spanish.

[Host]

I. I don't want to. I don't want to mislabel it. I'm not an expert in that. In the particular conflict. But they. They definitely look at themselves as being distinct from the rest of Spain as a whole.

[Aaron]

They not like us.

[Host]

They're not like. Yeah. I mean, there's a big rivalry going on right now in Africa because usually at the. At the World cup, all the African teams and their supporters kind of. They root for each other. It's like rooting for a conference like the sec.

[Big T]

Yeah. Zah roots for every African team.

[Host]

Except this year.

[Aaron]

As he should. This should.

[Host]

This year, there's a. A big rivalry between Senegal and Morocco, and they've muddied the waters enough to the point where I don't remember who's right about the rivalry because they played each other in the African cup for the champion of Africa, and I don't know who won because they both claimed that they won. There was like a big controversy in the game. I don't know who ended up winning. Having the. The higher final goal total at the end of the game, because they're both adamant that they. Good job. To whoever lost that game for successfully making people so confused about the result that we don't know who the champion is.

[Big T]

Senegal beat Morocco 10 in the final on January 18, but that scoreline has been officially changed to a 3 nothing victory for Morocco as a result of several Senegalese players walking off the pitch in protest during the match.

[Host]

So this, the Senegal team won, but they also had players leave.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

Like before the game was over.

[Big T]

With the score 00 in the 8th minute of stoppage time, referee Jean Jacques Ndala awarded Morocco a penalty for a challenge by El Haji Malik duf. Moments earlier, In$had ruled out a Senegal goal. After the penalty was given, Senegal head coach Pepe TL encouraged his team to leave the field in protest with only Saudio Monet remaining.

[Host]

Okay.

[Big T]

The match was paused for 17 minutes, during which Monet encouraged his teammates to return. When they did, Diaz's Paneka style penalty was easily saved by Senegal goalkeeper Eduard Mindy, and the match went to extra time when Pepe Gay scored Senegal's winning goal. So they got a penalty. Senegal said, that's bullshit. Left the field, came back, saved the penalty, and went on to win the game. But they said, actually you lost because

[Host]

you left, because on a technicality.

[Big T]

So Senegal one.

[Host]

Okay. Senegal is our champion.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

And Morocco is just the champion at complaining.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

To the point where we forgot who won. Okay. All right, Good to know. But then Morocco ended up tying Brazil the other day, right?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

So who knows? Oh, that's Argentina versus Brazil.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

I don't. I can't remember the last time they played for anything like, super, super, super important. Unless. Wait, did they play in the finals in 1990?

[Big T]

What was the last Copa America?

[Host]

I don't know. But they do play each other, obviously, a lot. I would say Argentina. Brazil is up there. Argentina against England. Just based on. They've played some pretty important games against each other.

[Big T]

This is a guess. Or Uruguay and Paraguay.

[Host]

The battle of guys.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

The Guy Bowl.

[Big T]

Are they.

[Host]

I don't know. They probably do hate each other because they're probably fighting to see who, like, the third biggest fish in South America is.

[Big T]

There is no significant geopolitical or cultural rivalry between Uruguay and Paraguay.

[Host]

That should change. Have a little pride.

[Big T]

But, yeah, in terms of. I think, pound for pound, like, especially given the fact that we haven't been the best at soccer historically. Like, US Mexico is really up there.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Like, I would never. As much as I want to, because I think it would be an unreal experience. I don't think I'd ever go to a US Mexico game in Azteca. Like, I think that's legitimately dangerous.

[Host]

Yeah, it's dangerous. It's like going to Philly.

[Big T]

I've done Philly and Philly for a Braves playoff game, and that was bad enough. That's. That's honestly the only place I've ever had, like, any. Any gruff.

[Host]

Any gruff at all.

[Big T]

Any trouble.

[Host]

They gave you some gruff.

[Big T]

Yeah, there was gruff.

[Host]

Let me tell you.

[Aaron]

What kind of gruff. What kind of gruff did you have to.

[Big T]

There was. There was a lot of. There was a lot of talking. Some. Some drunk Guys hand checking, getting up in your face there. Yeah, it was.

[Aaron]

There was gruff nighties basketball.

[Big T]

Yeah. And they won the game, which made it worse.

[Mackenzie]

Didn't you experience gruff at the Kentucky game too?

[Big T]

There was a slight amount of gruff leaving this past year's Kentucky. Tennessee basketball game in Lexington. But I mean, that, that was crazy.

[Host]

There was some gruff I experienced in, In Hong Kong for the. The rugby tournament there. That was mostly just a lot of a shitload of drunk people. It's mostly just getting hit with piss. I don't know if I can consider that to be gruff. It's just they indiscriminately throw the piss, so it's not like I was being targeted. They were also hitting themselves with piss.

[Aaron]

Typically implies an impatient or unfriendly outward demeanor. Gruff. Gruff. I think I've always like, known what that word meant but never really looked it up, you know?

[Host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big T]

You give somebody gruff.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Give me a lot of gruff right now. That's my next. Like, somebody give me a little attitude. You give me a lot of gruff right now. You calm that down a little. Too much gruff.

[Host]

Let me tell you. I. I ran into Big T at Wrigley Field last night. I. I can't imagine the, the duo that you were with getting a lot of gruff from people.

[Big T]

No, no gruff.

[Host]

You guys walked by and I was like, like half the offensive line of Northwesterns here.

[Big T]

We had. We had one person ask if we were brothers. We're like, no.

[Host]

I could see it.

[Big T]

Just pals.

[Host]

I could definitely see it because I, I was talking to, to my friends and, and their son and I was like. I was like, yeah, those are, those are my friends. I work with that guy and then I know that other guy and they're like, oh, they brothers? I was like, I could. I understand why you're saying that, but no, but no, they're not. They just, they. They found each other. It's a beautiful love story.

[Mackenzie]

It is. They went on a date last night.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

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[Aaron]

See?

[Host]

Shell us more protection for more information. Also, I got a bone to pick with Chicago Cubs. I got a bone to pick with you guys. I forget what inning it was, I want to say. Maybe I'm going to just throw a dart and say the sixth inning. The Cub struck out the side. After the second strikeout, they put a little message on the. On the video board in left field saying, if the Cubs strike out the side in an inning, everybody in attendance gets free chicken. It was only up there for, like, five seconds. I felt like I was crazy because I looked around, I was like, oh, we get free chicken if this next guy strikes out. And everyone's like, what are you talking about? Then there was no audio announcement. It was just a brief moment on the Jumbotron. Sure enough, next guy up, 1, 2, 3, strikes out, struck out the side. I high fived the guys around me because it's like, yeah, we got chicken. We got chicken. And then everybody else was like, we? What do you mean, we got chicken? I went. I asked Big T, I was like, do you know anything about this chicken deal they got going on? And I assume, Big T, I mean no disrespect, you are all things chicken related. You would be my go to guy.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Host]

And then I found out later, you got to download an app, and then you have to open up the app right after the game within the geofence parameters of Wrigley Field.

[Big T]

We opened it right after that and it gave us the free. The free nuggets.

[Host]

Oh, so you didn't even have to wait till after the game? No, we were told that we had to wait till after.

[Big T]

Did you not get it?

[Host]

No, we got it.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

We got it. So we got. It's eight free nuggets. Yeah, that we got. But the Cubs do. It's almost like you're trying not to advertise that. You're, like, trying to be sneaky about giving away the chicken.

[Aaron]

As they should, though. Yeah.

[Host]

If you're going to give away the chicken, give away that. You make it a thing that people know about.

[Big T]

I mean, they put it on, it's like.

[Aaron]

It's like a hole in one car. You don't really want to get that away.

[Big T]

You know, they did put it on the big screen in front of the whole stadium, briefly.

[Host]

You weren't familiar with it?

[Big T]

I wasn't paying attention.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

See that fine print, fine print type?

[Host]

You blink and you miss it at the stadium.

[Aaron]

I.

[Host]

If you're going to do a chicken giveaway, you don't. Don't try to say it out the side of your neck. Say it with your chest. I want the whole stadium getting into. Okay, third strikeout. Come on this is for all the chicken right now. Like when they do it at a basketball game. And. And it's. If you miss two foul shots and like the last opponent misses two foul shots in the last minute of the game, everyone gets chicken. And then Boban steps up there and he bricks two shots on purpose to give everyone. I want it to be a moment that we can all enjoy in the ballpark together. And I. I feel like it was. Listen, I'm not going to complain about no chicken. I mean, because we got the chicken. But it would have been nice to have that moment of togetherness with people around us all cheering for the chicken and knowing that the chicken was coming. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Big T]

But we got it.

[Aaron]

Brewers fan. I think I'm with the Cubs on this one. What the chicken is for whoever makes the effort to get the chicken. That's a lot of chicken to give out. Think about if everybody came and got the chicken. That's a lot of chicken, dog.

[Big T]

I think they want that because they figure you're gonna. You're gonna buy more than just the, you know, the free eight count.

[Aaron]

But it's free.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

See, the difference between.

[Aaron]

Maybe the chicken's already bought. I don't know.

[Host]

Difference between me and you, Aaron, is I want everybody to have chicken, not just the. The 1% of people who are paying attention.

[Aaron]

Yes. Known, greedy Aryan. I don't want. Nobody had no chicken.

[Host]

But I did get my chicken, so thank you for the chicken.

[Big T]

Also, you told me it was a sandwich.

[Host]

I thought it was a sandwich, too. Based on the. The restaurant that was giving away the chicken. I assumed it would be a sandwich, but it was not. It was the nuggets.

[Big T]

That's because they want you to buy the sandwich when you get there.

[Host]

Because then you're like, oh, well, it's just the nuggets.

[Big T]

Right. Well, I'm not leaving here without saying,

[Host]

then you gotta get a sandwich to clean you up. Nuggets of the appetizer.

[Big T]

Then you get an. I gotta get an ice cold beverage.

[Host]

The ice is good. And then maybe some dessert, too.

[Mackenzie]

What's your dessert of choice at a chicken restaurant?

[Host]

I think the. When they have the banana pudding, it's pretty good.

[Mackenzie]

Do they actually have the pudding or

[Host]

is it the shake they've got? I know I've had the shake. I don't know if I've ever had the pudding. Do they actually make the pudding itself or is it just in milkshake form?

[Big T]

Big T. I think it's a milkshake it's really good. But it would stand to reason that they would have it solo as well.

[Host]

Yeah. Before you put in the shake like

[Big T]

Portillo's, you can get the cake or the cake shake.

[Host]

Right? And I'm pretty sure they actually have cake that they make.

[Big T]

They do.

[Host]

Before they put it in the shake.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, they do stick a whole thing in.

[Host]

Yep.

[Aaron]

I baked the cake with my daughters last week, my two little ones, 8 year old and 2 year old. And I don't know that I'm ever gonna have cake again. So she. She watches that show. Is it cake on Netflix? She loves that. And it's. It's more interesting than I would have thought of. Like, if. If I'm like in a. A network executive and somebody comes up with a pitch for a show and they're like, yo, got a bunch of bakers in there just gonna see if it's cake or not. I'd have been like, yo, get the fuck out of here. But it's pretty interesting. Anywho, she was like, I want to do it from scratch. And I was like, okay, I love you. We'll do this. Knowing I don't eat cake and I don't bake, I was like, it. We both. So we. We did the cake and we get all the ingredients and my God, is it unhealthy as I'm talking, Butter, milk, different kind of milk that I've never seen before. Weird milk, flour. The sugar on that is insane. And it's just. And it was a little cake. I can't imagine a big cake that makes me never want to eat a cake ever again. It was like halfway. You know how when you was little and your mom's bacon and you come and dip your finger in the batter when we. When it was time for the battle, I didn't even want to touch it. How. How nasty it was. This is me not a sweets guy,

[Big T]

but that's why it's delicious.

[Aaron]

It was. It was too much sugar, dog. That was like diabetes.

[Big T]

We were cooking diabetes, the Neyland stadium cake we had at my wedding. The. There was an aroma coming off the cake of just. You could smell the. The sugar in it smelled delicious.

[Aaron]

I could. That. I don't even think I could smell at that point in the wood.

[Host]

Oh, it smelled.

[Mackenzie]

Mackenzie and I were like sniffing the cake. It was so good. But then no one. We were nervous to cut in or we didn't have. No one was cutting it.

[Big T]

Love to know what happened to that thing.

[Host]

I think somebody stole all of it.

[Big T]

It's entirely possible.

[Host]

Made out like bandits. Afterwards, there is a ton of sugar that you just pour into cake.

[Aaron]

It's just a bunch. And then the butter, too. Butter's not that bad. But when in the. In the amount that we put in the cake, I feel like that could

[Host]

stop a couple hearts.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Host]

I feel like butter is one of those cyclical things where it's every. Every couple years, butter becomes bad for you again, and then it gets good for you

[Aaron]

in moderation. Yeah.

[Host]

If you're listening to this in Chicago, come out to the dozen tonight. Would love to see their live show. Final Four. We're trying to run it back.

[Mackenzie]

All of us will be there besides Arian.

[Aaron]

I was supposed to be the commissioner. Like, I never heard. I agreed to it. I heard nothing all year.

[Host]

Did you have any rulings to make?

[Aaron]

No. That's what I said. Yeah, I got you, brother. I'm there. But I was supposed to come down to the. To the finals and just be there. But it's all good.

[Host]

I mean, it sounds like you did a great job as commissioner. Like, everyone straightened up and they were like, we better get our act together because Aran Foss is a commissioner now.

[Aaron]

Yeah. No cheating. I'm coming. Lay the hammer down. Pause.

[Host]

Yeah, that's right. It's like.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

When White Sock Dave was a commissioner. Just everyone. The league ran amok.

[Aaron]

Exactly.

[Host]

Big T, looking at the sheet you sent over today, the FIFA Peace Prize winner, whoever that is, is going to be helping the winner of the World cup to lift the trophy.

[Big T]

I don't like this.

[Host]

You don't.

[Big T]

Unless we win it.

[Host]

If it's anybody else.

[Big T]

Yeah. Like Trump's going to be standing up there with. With the French.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah. He doesn't give a fuck.

[Big T]

Lifting the trophy.

[Host]

What if it's. What if it's Iran?

[Big T]

I mean, it won't be.

[Host]

I know, but what if.

[Big T]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mackenzie]

He's a narcissist. He just wants the trophy. Hold it.

[Host]

That could be the funniest possible moment. If he's holding it up and handing the trophy to Iran, let him deliver

[Big T]

the trophy to, like, Infantino. Is that his name? Infantino? Let him deliver it to him, and then he leaves.

[Host]

Don't.

[Big T]

Don't be lifting the trophy with a foreign nation.

[Host]

Is this kind of like, don't give the trophy to the owners after they win, like the NBA?

[Big T]

No, I think it's the opposite. If you're the owner, do whatever you want. You bought the team. Okay, but if you're this is another country that wins it. Now listen, I'm. I'm putting us winning it back on the table.

[Host]

Yeah. Because of this?

[Big T]

No, just because. Just because we're awesome.

[Host]

Okay.

[Big T]

I don't think it's going to happen, but I'm putting it on the table. But assuming it's not us, you know. Don't. Don't do that.

[Host]

Don't do it. Who do you like in the US Open this weekend area?

[Aaron]

That's a good question. Have you seen the court? This, this is the type of course I like can't like the, the. The far rough is really like usually you hacking it out of there. Love that. Nothing more that I love to see them pros struggle. So I like somebody with a really good all around game here that doesn't struggle off the tee a lot. I like calling Morakawa man.

[Host]

Really?

[Aaron]

Yeah. I like calling Morakawa here.

[Mackenzie]

He just had a kid too. Baby bump.

[Host]

That is true.

[Aaron]

He did. Right. Right after he won the. What was that? Pebble.

[Host]

It's interesting because we, we had this guy Shane Bacon on part of my take yesterday and he.

[Aaron]

He gave name.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

He gave a preview of the world or of the. The US Open and he gave us like a bunch of names to be on the lookout for. And then at the end we're like okay, give us one guy who's not going to win the US Open. Like a big name that you can say like you don't think he's going to do it. And out of everybody he picked Colin Morikawa as a guy who won't do it.

[Aaron]

All the more reason for my dog to step up and knock it out. Why he say why he say not? Do you give reasons?

[Host]

I think I'm trying to remember what his reasoning. I don't think he got too mean with it or too like deep in it.

[Aaron]

I was thinking about technical. Like I was thinking like a technical reason.

[Host]

I don't think he got too analytical with it. I'll have to go back and listen to his reason why. I think it's more like it's a. It's a course that will beat you up mentally to the point where he thinks it favors guys that are kind of used to dealing with bad shots and getting out of trouble

[Aaron]

that see that mine's the opposite logic. I think he. He's not very long. He's not a long player.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

And so. And so we just had a baby, you know. Gotta be had a little length to him. But he don't. He don't like I I, I, I picture him not getting in a lot of trouble. He plays a stock pretty, pretty much stock fade off the, off the tee. And I, I think if you keep it in play Tiger, you said it's pars win US Opens and majors. So I think if he just keeps within his game, don't try to do too much. I think he's gonna be all right. He's been playing well this year. He won Pebble. He was in like the top 10, and I think in one or two majors. Who's Shane Bacon? Who is this guy?

[Host]

He almost qualified for the US Open. He's a, like a golf journalist. And he did the, he did golf's longest day. He made to the final day of qualification this year.

[Aaron]

Sounds like a hater to me.

[Big T]

So his logic was you actually don't want to be too good his light.

[Host]

So when Colin Morocco wins, it's usually because he is just absolutely sticking shots around the green, like approaching his ball striking is amazing. Yeah. Like his iron game, he's, he's getting on the green in two, like hitting greens and regulation on a par four. And he's leaving himself like 15 foot putts that he's making. And like he's being very accurate with the irons. On this course, it's more about like, you're gonna have a lot of shitty, like unlucky shots where you might land on the green. Ball rolls off wind with your shot, blows it off the green and it's rough. And it's about people that, because it's going to be looked at as being almost like an unfair golf course at times. And so guys that are used to dealing with up shots and maybe not being, being in the, in the traditionally best positions to score low on certain holes, those guys mentally will be used to that and be able to capitalize on it.

[Big T]

This is like the, every time some athlete that's in, you know, crazy chiseled shape strains and oblique and you get the takes. Like, actually he's, he's too ripped. You need a little fat on you.

[Host]

Yeah, that's probably why my legs keep, I keep tearing the muscles and stuff.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

So that's, I'm gonna stop any form of working out because of that. But yeah, that's essentially the, the take that he's going with. You're right.

[Aaron]

Interesting. I think that's gonna be fun. I'm gonna be glued to the tv.

[Host]

I think I like Scotty just because of the vibes. It's, he's, it's his birthday.

[Aaron]

He's Due to win something. He's kind of been. For Scotty's standard. He's kind of been struggling to get. To get it done. I know. I think he's had one win this year. That's it. And usually that shit he rattled off like, what, nine wins or something last year or the year before. Mm.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Is the US Open getting World cup mogged?

[Host]

It is to a certain extent. It's also getting parade mogged because you've got the Knicks parade on the same day as the first round, also taking place in New York. And the Open's on Long Island. It's out at Shinnecock.

[Big T]

Imagine taking the Lir Lirr back to Penn Station after. After that.

[Host]

No, thank you. No, thank you. Sounds terrible. The. The traffic around Shinnecock is always terrible too, because there's one road that takes you back to the house and then up to the golf course. It's like, where's Shinnecock? It's Long Island. It's out in the Hamptons.

[Aaron]

Oh, that thing gonna be crazy this weekend.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's gonna be nuts. The parade should be fun too, in New York. Good weekend for New York sports right now.

[Big T]

And there's World cup games going on there.

[Host]

There is, yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

Good. Great sports weekend. I would even say we're going to talk about some of the best con artists of all time in just a minute. And before we do, we got some ads that we got to get to. And also we get to get to. We get to get to these ads because you know me.

[Big T]

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[Host]

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[Big T]

Every time I hear about a Memorandum of Understanding, it's always in a a college football context and that never goes well because it generally means that you like didn't make it to the contract. Yeah, like Greg Shiano Signed an MOU with Tennessee and we. We put a stop to that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Anytime you hear about the mouse, it means something is. Is being held up.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Host]

It means that they want to declare their intention to do a contract.

[Big T]

Right.

[Host]

Officially, but they don't want to do the contract yet.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Host]

If you hear mou, if you hear letter of engagement, that's another one too. Sometimes where it's like, it's psychologically, you're making somebody write their name down on an official piece of paper so they feel like they're bound to some sort of an agreement that they haven't actually hammered out yet. But we're getting there. I think we're getting there. I'm not. I'm not smart enough to know exactly what's going on, what makes it official, what won't make it official.

[Aaron]

There you are.

[Host]

But I think it's happening. I don't know when it becomes official. I don't like. That's. That's very funny. It's like wars can be ended by people signing a legal document.

[Big T]

How would you have them ended?

[Host]

I don't know. They just like, one side gives up.

[Big T]

That's kind of how it's always been, though. Appomattox courthouse.

[Host]

Yeah. No, it's just. It's a funny concept to me because war is like the most brutal, violent thing ever. And then they get together and they, like, write their name down. You're like, okay, I. I promise that I'm done fighting. Okay, I promise, too. And they shake hands.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, that's how it goes.

[Host]

That's how it goes. How she goes.

[Aaron]

Einstein said. I think he said something like, paraphrasing. It was like something like the only time, the only way to have a warless world is going to be where children refuse to fight other people's battles.

[Host]

Mm.

[Aaron]

Facts.

[Host]

Big T. You also sent over a link to everyone's favorite World cup traveler, Freddie.

[Big T]

Yeah. So I loved this guy.

[Host]

Talk to me about Freddie.

[Big T]

Freddie is traversing the United States, following the German national team and going to some other games, and has gone super viral on X, the Everything app. And now. But. So his original charm was like going to Waffle House. He drove through Gainesville, Georgia, and was like this. This is the coolest town I've been in. Like, you know, all this stuff. But now he's gotten so famous that, like, J.J. watt is putting him in a five star hotel and they're going on tours of NASA and they're getting private jets to the Ella Langley concert where they're going Backstage. And it's like the, the charm was in the, the simplicity.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Of like we're road tripping through America and seeing all this stuff we've never seen before. Not that if I was in this guy's position, I wouldn't do the exact same thing because they're getting these unbelievable opportunities to do really cool stuff. It just, it's, it's lost its luster to me and I'm sad, I'm disappointed.

[Host]

I, I agree with that. It's, that's. I think you put it in a really perfect way where it was Freddy seeing and doing things that might not have, like, the biggest marketing initiatives behind them, might not be thought of as being like, high ticket items that you can still love in the United States. And then now that he's, you know, developed a following, now it's like we're going to show, we're going to show

[Big T]

him the high life and it's not his fault. People are offering them to do all these things.

[Host]

And you're on a trip that you planned probably like six months ago with your buddies and as far as you knew, you were just going to be like in the back of a car for eight hours driving across. Now, now you're getting offered, like private jets and great hotels and you're hanging out with superstars. You're like, yeah, this is insane. Yeah, there's going to be a movie that's made about, about this trip. It's gonna be terrible.

[Big T]

It's a good premise.

[Host]

It's a good premise for. It's going to be. It's going to be terrible though, because it's going to be like, all the companies are going to like, look at this as a way to also get like, bonus double advertising if we can be in the Freddy movie.

[Big T]

There is a show out right now. It's called Off Campus. I caught about 20 minutes of this show when my wife was watching it. It's. It's terrible. But in addition to being terrible, it's just one gigantic ad for Liquid Ivy.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, it's the funny.

[Big T]

They're like, like they'll walk into a room, be like, hey, can you talk me that Liquid iv. I just love the, the rapid rehydration. It's. It's stunning. It. I can't believe anyone watches that show and can, like stay in it because the whole thing is just Liquid iv. It's nuts. Also, Freddie, he's doing all this on a burner Twitter account. But, like, so he's posting pictures of himself and his buddies doing all this stuff, but he blurs their faces out and puts emojis over them.

[Host]

Yeah. It's weird.

[Big T]

It's like we don't. We don't care. Like, you can. You can just show us your face.

[Host]

It's. It's very strange. It's like he's like the. Either a criminal or a victim of a crime.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

The way he's covering up his identity.

[Big T]

Maybe he just, like, took too much time off work in Germany.

[Aaron]

It's like his boss.

[Host]

His boss doesn't know that he's in America. He's like, I'm. He told his boss, like, hey, don't worry about boss. I'm just, you know, feeling sick. So I'm going to be home for a while this week. And then he's getting like. He's the most famous German person in the world right now.

[Big T]

I mean, they give you three months off a year. I can't imagine it's a problem.

[Host]

I hope that that's what it is. That he's like, he's not allowed to be there or like his. His girlfriend doesn't know that he's in America with the fellas on a trip.

[Big T]

That's. That could be a good movie. Yeah.

[Host]

Yeah. If he's got a girlfriend at home, she thinks that he's, like, on a business trip to, like, I don't know, Switzerland. He's like, I'll be back soon. I'm going to miss you. I'm not going to have any fun. Don't worry about me. We'll go on a vacation when I get home. And then he's like, in the United States. And how now has found himself to be, like, the center of the world's attention.

[Big T]

That actually is a great movie.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Accidentally becoming super famous and now you

[Host]

can't get out of it because of a white lie.

[Big T]

And then they bring you on state. Ella Langley brings you on stage, and the girlfriend's there.

[Host]

Or she's like, streaming it at home.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host]

And then. Then he starts dating Ella Langley.

[Big T]

At this point, that would. From where we are to dating Ella Langley is a smaller leap than where it started to where he's at.

[Host]

I mean, that would be maybe the ultimate, like, butterfly effect thing of chance ever in terms of a romance story.

[Big T]

Yeah, I. I'm still a little. I still think there's a small chance this is a psyop of some sort.

[Host]

I think that there's some copycats. I think there's copycats. When. When Freddie, when he first. First came out, it did occur to me like, this is everything's going viral that he's putting out there. But I did understand why it's so popular and I got it and I enjoyed it. But I said there's going to be some copycats that see how successful this is and he's going to try. They're going to try to do it in like a worse way. So there are definitely some fake ones out there. My new favorite thing, I love the, the Japanese fans.

[Big T]

They're awesome.

[Host]

The Japanese fans are. I mean, Aran's always been right about the Japanese. Great people.

[Aaron]

Sounds like there's a joke, guys.

[Host]

No, no, you just, you've always, you've always. Yeah, you've been the number one Japan guy on this podcast.

[Aaron]

That's true. I have.

[Host]

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[Aaron]

I echo the sentiment. Big T has been growing to me right with. But with YouTube Golf, right when you first started watching YouTube Golf you really love. It was just dudes playing golf courses that were regular golfers at regular golf courses and now they're playing flown around a private jets and they plan all the PGA tournaments before the players get there.

[Big T]

Except for our YouTube golf show which is great and then.

[Aaron]

But we regular guys regular golf course shooting regular scores.

[Big T]

No, no, no, no. Our Barstool's golf brand which is fantastic and everyone should watch.

[Aaron]

Stand by my story. I like regular dudes playing regular golf course. I'm not hating, you know what I'm saying? Because I play really good golf courses as well. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying that's, that's the, the feeling I get. It's almost like when Instagram was like first kicking up. You loved the. You know what I'm saying? The cats doing this and that was that was. And now Everybody has these 38k videos. And what tends to be more attractive to me is the low quality, like grainy film that shit is recorded on. I think, I think when shit is just getting too good, I think that's. And maybe that's the, you know, some psychological, psychological work I need to have done on me. But when shit gets too good, I tend to back up 10 to take a step back and not enjoy it as much.

[Host]

You know, what, what we discovered. And when I was writing the part of my take book, I talked about this a little bit and flex. No, I was just. It was a good chance. No, because it was a good chance for me to like think about some of that stuff and actually like work through it via like writing it all out. And when we, when we were first coming up, everything in sports media was like dudes wearing suits and sitting on like a 5 million dollar set with the best lighting in the world and digital TV screens all around them. And that's all well and good and it was super fancy and stuff, but also it had kind of the opposite effect for a lot of people where every time something wasn't that great or there was like a small imperfection, your expectation was raised so high because you're like, oh, this is an authoritative man in a suit telling me this. It's my boss talking to me. So if my boss gets something wrong, then that sucks and fuck him. But then we were doing it in like the opposite way where everything looked like a little shitty and more authentic. And so if there were fuckups, it was like part of, it goes into part of the charm of the show that we're doing as opposed to being something that you look at and point to as a reason why actually this sucks. And I think I, I think that there's. Yeah, there's some element that's at play with that in YouTube Golf for sure.

[Aaron]

And so, so like when I like the reason why I started like what first. I think what first got me into YouTube golf was actually good, Good, good good was like the first, my first introduction where there was some like a really good player, some good players and there was like shitty players and I can't. You kind of fuck with it, you know, like you kind of like. And you fuck with the. You fall in love with the personalities and stuff like that. And I think what ha. What happened was and what's happening. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like it's going on the, the, the cream of the crop in professional golf. There's only so much that could play at that level, but there's this tear underneath it that is starting to take advantage of people, like, watching good golf. And, like, so they're kind of taking over the YouTube golf space because I, I, I can't, I can't crack the, the psychology behind it. But I think, like, they, they realize people enjoy good golf, and so they're kind of just taking, taking over the, the space. And I don't, I don't know how I feel about it. And it's like, I don't know, maybe I'm just old man complaining, but I'll still watch some of it. But it's just, Roy was just asked if he watches YouTube Golf, and he's like, nah, I don't watch that.

[Host]

Interesting.

[Big T]

How could it.

[Aaron]

As I'm saying, he probably don't like to watch shitty golf. I kind of like watching shitty golf with good personalities. Yeah.

[Big T]

I can't imagine they would want to watch golf at all.

[Aaron]

That's what I, I struggle to. Like. If I was like, I remember Tiger, like, back in the early days. This is like, in the 90s. He got interviewed, and he was like, I thought when I got to be a professional, that, and I did it all the time, I would get sick of it. He's like, I am not sick of it, and I just love it even more. And I can't believe I get to do this for a living. I, I think that that's how I feel right now. Like, I don't know, like, all, like, it's been raining for, like, two weeks in Houston. I haven't golfed, and I, I'm starting to get a little upset at the weather. I'm not gonna lie, because all I want to do is golf. And I don't know that if it was my profession, that I would get sick of it because I enjoy it that much. Golf is such a leisurely, fun activity, and you could do it all the time. I don't, I don't. It's not like football for me. Like, football is painful, and it hurts, and you don't get to play it that much, and I don't want to play it that much. Even when I was playing it, I was like, I can't do this every day. So I don't know, man. I don't know if he maybe watching golf is funny. Like, I still, I go to sleep, the Tiger highlights, Rory highlights. Like, I like watching this. I don't know, man. Maybe I am a fan, though. So it was. Might Be different.

[Host]

I think some. Some guys pretend that they don't watch, but I think most golfers at some point do that. Like, if that's your job and that's what you do for a living and you hear about, like, some entertaining video where there's guys on a golf course and something crazy happens that you'll never expect, like, they're going to be interested in watching it at least. I think Roy's going to see big T shot. Yeah, actually. All right, so here's. Here's the question. Will LeBron James watch.

[Big T]

No.

[Host]

A second of the macrodosing golf video that comes out.

[Mackenzie]

I mean, he already might know who facility is. I think that LeBron Internet Invitational. So there is a chance.

[Host]

I think. I do think it's going to make its way at least in clip form across LeBron James.

[Mackenzie]

He obviously saw the pantry clip.

[Big T]

He's seen this show before.

[Host]

Yep.

[Mackenzie]

So he knows we exist.

[Aaron]

Yep.

[Big T]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna go as far as to say open invite to LeBron anytime he'd like to join.

[Host]

Yeah. Come on show to discuss.

[Big T]

Yeah, we can make it work.

[Mackenzie]

We can do a golf video with him. We'll let him have it.

[Host]

Discuss the golf clip that you watched.

[Mackenzie]

He was just on a podcast the other day that I had never heard of. He said he could never be with a stay at home mom. Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, really?

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, he said he's. Yeah, he's getting flamed a little bit for that.

[Big T]

Wait, is his wife not a stay at home mom?

[Mackenzie]

I believe Savannah is a. Is a businesswoman. She might have. I think she deals in the business of LeBron James. Yes, but he said he doesn't want to have a woman come home and just be sitting on the couch. Sitting on the couch doing nothing.

[Big T]

Hasn't he made like a billion dollars?

[Mackenzie]

I think that's what he said. No, I think the problem is I've made a billion dollars and you're just gonna sit on the couch. Wait, Aaron, what's your take? Because I think the problem is that's not what stay at home moms do.

[Aaron]

Yeah, I gotta feel him.

[Mackenzie]

Uh.

[Aaron]

Oh, I understand what he's saying, man. Like, I think that. I think in his position and mine to a lower extent, you get a lot of people who are looking for a meal ticket. And if you are in a relationship because all your basic needs are taken care of, you can just chill. You retire, you done for life. And while that may be the case, it's unattractive. You know what I'm saying? It's not, it's not attractive, me waking up, still having. Or still wanting to. Right. I don't even have to do. But I wanna, I wanna do a podcast. You know what I'm saying? Keep some, keep some footprint on the game. I wanna go play golf. I wanna, I wanna, I got, I got a couple businesses I work on on the side. Like small investment stuff I do just, just to stay active and stay alive. Like you are reaping the benefits, which if we're together, you know. I agree. You know what I'm saying? Like, I agree. Like, that's something I, as a man want to take care of my woman. But in the back of my mind I'm like, you don't want to do nothing. You don't want to like, attempt. You don't want to follow any dreams. I don't know how after a while I could see how you, like, you got to go do something.

[Big T]

Can I say that's different if you are like dating someone versus if it's your wife of 20 years and like y' all have children together.

[Aaron]

I don't think it is.

[Mackenzie]

I was gonna say it's different for obviously like you because the wife could get away with like doing nothing if you have all this extra help. But I think the argument is like a stay at home mom is. Is working.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Mackenzie]

During the day and like doing things with the kids.

[Host]

It's rare that you would come home

[Mackenzie]

and she's like sitting on the couch. Yeah.

[Host]

Just like watching daytime TV or something.

[Mackenzie]

But I do 100% like your situation. Obviously that could be the case.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, it would definitely be contextual. But I can understand his. Especially a man like that who's one of the most successful in terms of like career driven goals. Humans that have walked the planet. Like, I. You would want to probably see somebody who has a little bit of. A little bit of giddy up to him, you know, like.

[Host]

Yeah, like some initiatives, some. Some like interests. But I think LeBron is like describing a scenario that people usually don't find themselves in to begin with. And I don't think that LeBron would. Would find himself in that situation either. I think he just, he might come home and just be like, that's my seat. Like, get up.

[Aaron]

Have a seat in my house.

[Host]

Yeah. What's your seat?

[Aaron]

It's like my couch is like this little. It's like this little, I guess, half rectangle. And like my TV right here. Mine's the back right corner. And my kid, I bring my kid in Right now. I'll be like, yo, what's my two. What's my two rules? They'll be like, no lying. And that's your seat.

[Host]

Yeah, Every. Every dad's got a seat.

[Mackenzie]

Every dad has a seat. Big T's dream, literally 100.

[Aaron]

I walk in. I walk in a room, and they might. I'd be like, hey, yo, they just get. No questions asked. Your ass in my seat.

[Host]

By the way, I just want to compliment Big T. The smoothest discussion of, like, something that your wife does ever. You're. You're brand new to the W word. And you were talking about watching that new show. Yeah, that was like. It feels like you've been saying it for a hundred years.

[Big T]

Okay, good.

[Host]

My wife. Yeah, it was just.

[Big T]

Really? My wife.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

My wife's. My wife's got this show. You know, one of those shows she watches. It was like one of those, like. Like, kind of like, endearing complaint. Like.

[Big T]

It's not a complaint. I like that she likes.

[Host]

That's endearing. I didn't mean complain. It was like a. You know, just something that you notice that might be silly and not necessarily up your alley.

[Big T]

Yeah, no, we do. We do separate, but together time. I play video games, and she watches a show that I don't want to watch, and we are in proximity to one another.

[Mackenzie]

Parallel play.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

Yep. It's good. Also a big T. Just a heads up. Congo has saw Tied up.

[Big T]

Equalized.

[Host]

The equalizer. So it's one. One with Portugal.

[Big T]

This is. This World cup is awesome.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So it's been so sick. And we should have it here every time. Every other.

[Host]

Every time.

[Big T]

I think we. One America and then one. You can go somewhere else then back to America.

[Host]

Yeah, it's so good. I was talking with Donnie yesterday. I went on drop a pen with him and chaps to kind of relive some of the stuff from Qatar in 2022. I'd forgotten so much stuff about that trip just because I hadn't really talked about it that much since we got back. We kind of went there, experienced it, put the video out, and then.

[Big T]

And it was during, like, Thanksgiving, so it was a. Yeah, it is a

[Host]

strange time of year to have it, and I hadn't really thought about any of the stuff that we did. So we're just, like, going through the video and looking at everything that we packed into about, like, 48 hours over in Qatar. And it was. I'd forgotten what a crazy time it was over there. We had. We went up to the Amira's suite on Thanksgiving dinner. That's where we had our Thanksgiving dinner. Just like through a friend of a friend of a friend. He knew the Amira's translator. And that guy was like, yeah, we actually have space available in our, our suite for this game and it's going to be Switzerland against Cameroon. So we went up there thinking that we would get in, drink alcohol because if you're in that type of suite you could have access to alcohol. And then we realized, oh yeah, it's actually the Amir suite. So he says that there's no alcohol in his suite. So we ended up having Thanksgiving dinner with the Amir's translator. And then afterwards we were walking out and these very official guys walk past us with giant bodyguards. And they were wearing the huge long throwing long, long thobes, what they call them, like the big robes and with the white headdress with the black circle around it that signifies that you are a Qatari citizen. If you're a Qatari citizen, you're, you're loaded. Everybody that's actually a citizen there is like a part owner of the world's largest natural gas field out in the Persian Gulf. So you are loaded. And most of the people that work over in Qatar are not Qatari citizens. Like the people that do day to day jobs, they, they bring them in. But these Qatari citizens walk past us with all their bodyguards. We get into the elevator with a couple of them and they see Donnie's got his camera and they're like, where are you from? Donna's like barstool sports. And they're like, oh, we love barstool. We can't get enough of it. And so we go down to the, to the outside of the stadium and we took a picture and put it online. And then we found out later that like one of the guys that was standing next to us in this picture was the ambassador to the United States from Qatar. One guy was like some like the minister of sports in Qatar. It was like members of the like Qatari royal like highest possible cabinet that were at the stadium with us that were like, oh yeah, we love guess

[Big T]

that ass is ambassador to the United States from Qatar. Like the coolest job ever. So you're super rich in Qatar.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And your life is probably unbelievable and then your job is just to come hang out in the United States, like kind of mix it up with, with our politicians and important people.

[Host]

I, so I was thinking about that being loaded in Qatar would be great, but at some point you run out of stuff to spend your money on. It's such a small country, so you have to travel places, you have to like go. So yes, being an ambassador to the United States would be awesome. You have all this, all this brand new to spend your vast fortune on. Yeah, because I'm, we're talking billionaires for these guys. So they come over here and they're like, oh yeah, I could, listen, I could, I could be here for a couple years just spending money and, and then we'll go back home. But yeah, you start to look like how many camel races can you go to? Which by the way, that's not. I know that sounds like it's a racist statement. It is not. They do love camel races in Qatar.

[Big T]

I'd imagine so.

[Host]

Yeah. And they've got robot jockeys on the backs of them. It's poor camels.

[Big T]

What's the point?

[Host]

I think the, that way they don't have to like worry about the health of the jockeys.

[Big T]

But what, why do they need jockey.

[Host]

Because the robots on the backs of the camels, they still whip the camels. It's just robots that are whipping the camels.

[Big T]

Yeah, I can understand why that would be fun to watch.

[Host]

Yeah, it's a weird thing.

[Big T]

How long is a camel racing track?

[Host]

Pretty long, I think. They're fast, they're competitive. They spray paint the sides of the camel's necks to, to like with the numbers.

[Big T]

Four to ten kilometers.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Two and a half to six miles. They're doing six mile camel races.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

They take it very seriously, the Ethiopians of horse racing.

[Host]

Yeah, it's great. Apparently. I don't know, but maybe not the robot jockey part. I hope we, we never get to a point where we use robot jockeys.

[Big T]

I gotta watch one of these on YouTube.

[Host]

Yeah, pull it up. You're also really into falconry over there. I forgot about that. Love the Falcons. Had some weird McDonald's over in Qatar. The Mc Arabia. That's what, that's what our, our actual Thanksgiving dinner was. We stopped by at McDonald's after the game and we picked up a couple Mic Arabia's and their fries which come with like a Peri. Peri shake seasoning. It was, it was a decent time over there. Smoked some hookah, did some illicit drugs that I probably should not have done for the first time.

[Big T]

We got to go to a camel race.

[Aaron]

Tell me.

[Big T]

I'm, I'm labeling this a must do. Have you seen this? They drive alongside the camels. So on the side of the track are all the guys driving Toyotas alongside the camel race with these Little one foot tall robot jockeys on them. Yeah. This is a. This is a must.

[Host]

And that's a million dollar camel race right there.

[Big T]

That's what it says.

[Host]

And so they're driving. They're not driving on the track, are they?

[Big T]

No, off to the side. So there's the railing and then there's a road right next to him. They're all driving alongside the camels.

[Host]

Yeah. That does look pretty cool.

[Aaron]

I didn't know camels can be 40 up to 40 miles an hour.

[Big T]

They're flying.

[Host]

They got all the water in the world in that hump. No, no hydration breaks in a camel race. Got that. The giant keg of water sitting on their back.

[Aaron]

Did you. Did you get on a camel?

[Host]

I did not ride a camel, no.

[Aaron]

Wow.

[Host]

I hear they're nasty. I hear the spit at you.

[Aaron]

I mean, I would do. Yeah.

[Host]

Well you. If you were a camel.

[Aaron]

Yeah, yeah. Like, he was the worst.

[Host]

Yeah. I've wondered that about horses. Like, do horses like it when another, like, creature just jumps on their back and they're like, hey, take me down to the saloon. Walk me to the saloon. I'm going to tie you up. And then when I'm ready, we'll go back. Our horse is like, these people, they take advantage of me.

[Aaron]

I would if I was a horse.

[Host]

Yeah. All right. You want to talk a little bit about some of history's great con artists?

[Aaron]

Wait, hold up. I want to see if the ladies is caught up on Love Island.

[Mackenzie]

Madeline just walked out, but I don't think she watches. I am mostly caught up. Yes.

[Aaron]

Okay. I ain't gonna spoil nothing.

[Mackenzie]

No, you can. I don't.

[Aaron]

I. I was just saving for a later date.

[Mackenzie]

I'll watch it.

[Aaron]

Too spicy. And like, I think this is the first Love island where I'm like, not really rooting for any couple.

[Mackenzie]

No, same.

[Aaron]

I was kind of want carnage now.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Are you watching every day?

[Aaron]

It's every day, my brother.

[Big T]

I know, it's crazy.

[Aaron]

Yeah. We have a familial Love island group chat.

[Mackenzie]

I'll forget. And then I watch like six of them in a row because there's so many.

[Aaron]

That's the better vibe. That's the better vibe.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And they're an hour.

[Aaron]

About an hour 20. Yeah. Yeah. Every. Every. Every night except for Wednesday and Saturday.

[Mackenzie]

Yes.

[Aaron]

At 8:00am or 8:00pm it's my, it's my little guilty pleasure. Big thing.

[Big T]

I, I like it. I, I just. The fact that it's every day.

[Aaron]

It is every day.

[Mackenzie]

It is a lot. I Will say that.

[Big T]

I guess I watch baseball every day, but.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, that is true.

[Host]

Yeah. Okay, Good point.

[Mackenzie]

For a longer amount of time, too.

[Host]

Let me tell you. What if there's one thing, as a man that I hate, but you don't

[Big T]

have to be locked in.

[Mackenzie]

You don't. You don't have to be locked in.

[Big T]

I am, for the most part, but

[Mackenzie]

you don't have to be locked in. It's very like. Nothing they say makes any sense.

[Host]

Can't tell you one thing.

[Aaron]

One thing I hate first.

[Host]

Oh, I hate it real quick. I just. I hate it when I'm trying to. When I make a.

[Aaron]

What?

[Host]

I think there was a point about Portugal just scored. They did. Damn it.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Who?

[Aaron]

Not the Ronaldo guy.

[Big T]

That's fine. Is it Bernardo Silva?

[Aaron]

They all look the same to me. Kind of.

[Big T]

What?

[Aaron]

I have to.

[Big T]

Wait, what number is he?

[Host]

Is he a swarthy gentleman?

[Aaron]

He's got, like, a nice little taper. I don't know what Swarthy means.

[Big T]

Number 20, you're ahead of me. Hang on.

[Aaron]

Number 20. Oh, wait, they didn't count it.

[Host]

Let's go.

[Aaron]

Count it.

[Big T]

Probably offside.

[Host]

Var. Love the robots.

[Aaron]

It was a nice little bicycle kick, too, huh? Hey, high kicking ain't a thing, right? Like high sticking.

[Host]

In hockey, it's dangerous play.

[Big T]

Yeah, you can. If you kick somebody, like, up in the head, you'll get a yellow card or red card.

[Host]

So if there's somebody around, you can't do it. But if you're all alone, you can lift your leg as high as you want.

[Aaron]

Yeah, Gotcha. Okay. All right, cool.

[Host]

Hey, I don't mean to brag or flex or boast on this. I was at one point, one of the best soccer referees in Virginia for under 12 years old.

[Big T]

You know, that's my latest YouTube kick, right now is a youth soccer reference. And he has a GoPro and he's. He's just telling these 14 year olds, like, enough, enough, mate. I've already warned you, haven't I? I love him.

[Aaron]

What.

[Host]

What's the difference between that and the. The police officer from Arizona that you love?

[Big T]

Pretty much the same Deputy Frank.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. They love giving out tickets and cards. Yeah, Like, I like seeing people punished.

[Host]

Big T's got a. Got a thing. I see a sense of commonality in his favorite shows that he watches. Going too fast. Mike, pull over.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's Australian.

[Host]

Yeah, it's true.

[Big T]

This guy's British. What were you saying? You hate when you make a point.

[Host]

I hate when you make a great point. And then a woman's like, well, yeah, actually, that's exactly what you do with sports all day long. And then. And then you're like, she's so right. And I'm. And I'm so angry that she's 100% right about everything.

[Big T]

She said I'm the one that said that.

[Host]

No, she. She said.

[Mackenzie]

I said. I agree.

[Big T]

I said.

[Mackenzie]

I said, yeah. And for a longer period of time.

[Host]

Yeah, longer periods. I just. I don't like it when that happens.

[Mackenzie]

Makes me feel emotional watching it every day. There's a lot of things we could compare to.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

My son did that to me yesterday because I walk in my. My living room and on the big TV, the 98 inch, this, watching this other. Playing 2K, NBA 2K. And so I was just chilling for. I was like, bro, you really watching this play sports? He's like, yeah. I was like, why are you watching him play video? Go play video games. I bought you 2K. He's like, but you do too.

[Mackenzie]

Matching outfits.

[Aaron]

That's another one I'll be watching. I do be watching streamers play. Valorant.

[Big T]

That is the one thing that I still just. I don't get it. And I understand the. The comparison. Like, well, you watch other people play sports, but, like, I just. I can't go play Major League baseball today. I can go play the Major League baseball video game. So I go do that.

[Aaron]

Well, there's levels. I don't really watch shitty people play video games. I watch people who are really nice.

[Big T]

I understand.

[Aaron]

Yeah. I mean, that's the best I could. I think I like the game that much to where I want to see it played at a high level. I can think that's the best way I could describe it, I guess.

[Host]

Yeah, I saw that. I saw Le'Veon Bell is trying to get into streaming and he. He got rejected from Streamer University, which is a. I don't know, like a school teaching a stream better that Kaiser NAT's putting together.

[Big T]

I saw Jalen Brown was applying as well.

[Host]

He's applying too. So Zach.

[Big T]

Okay, nice. Or Zach, he's got to get in.

[Host]

We'll make sure that he gets in. Come hell or high water, he's going to get in. But Le'Veon Bell was upset that he did not get in. And I saw a clip of him talking on his stream and it was like, it was super sad. Like, a bad streamer is a tough thing. Like, he. He really wants to be a good streamer. Like, really bad. And he's just like sitting in his living room talking to the chat. But there's like one person in the chat that's typing something every like minute. He's like, chat. I'm being straight up serious with you right now. Like, it sounds like he is a professional streamer and it's like there's just nobody out there.

[Big T]

So you think, wait, cut this. I've got a sneeze. No, I had, I had a sneeze coming. It went away.

[Aaron]

Now leave it.

[Big T]

Yeah, it's fine. So you think there's an opportunity in there to become Le'Veon Bell's like number one fans?

[Host]

Number one. Oh yeah, that's a good point.

[Big T]

And he would love us.

[Host]

I actually, yeah, I. It's more, it's not the quality of his stream. It's just like the way he was doing the stream and there wasn't really anybody there, but he was talking to people that weren't there. It was a little bit sad to watch.

[Big T]

We could be the whole chat. We could, we could dominate the galaxy and then he'll, he'll love us.

[Host]

What would you call, what would you call like, the die hard fans of Le'Veon Bell?

[Big T]

The Bell Cows.

[Host]

Oh, damn, that's good. Big T, that's good.

[Big T]

Liberty Bells and Bill Cows.

[Host]

Now let's go back to Bell Cows. That was good. The bell of the balls.

[Aaron]

What I, what I figured out really fast because I, I used to stream on Twitch and unless you're a. I guess like a polarizing figure or a current athlete to build an audience on, that is not easy. You can't just throw your name like, it's, it's hard to do like you, you, like there was like spikes I would get every now and then. But like, to have a consistent audience, I think the, at the, at my peak, I probably had like 150, 200, which is good. But like, you can't just like at the start for like the first year, it was like 20 people, 30 people. And it's like it took. I did it for like a year, year and a half. But that, that is not easy to do, man. I, I got a lot of respect for streamers because you, it's, it's. I remember. You mean, you know, Destiny, the streamer. Yeah, I got in a few back and forth. Not back and forth. We had a few conversations and there was one time, like when you're, when you're Twitch streaming, like you, if, when, like when you sign off, you can send your audience to another streamer. Right? And so I remember when I was just streaming. I had, like, 30, 40 people in. We just talking. We just chilling. And you develop, like, a little relationship with them. That's pretty cool, too. And. And all of a sudden, bam. I got, like, 2, 000 people in there. And I was like, what the? And I'm like, what the. I don't know what. Why y' all here? I didn't. I was new to the game. And then you felt like you had to perform and entertain, which I hated that part. And that's why I. I kind of got over. Because, like, I feel like you started to feel obvious. I started for, like, a job, was a. With it. But that's just. This is not easy, though.

[Host]

Yeah, that's. It's about, like, being consistent, too, right?

[Aaron]

Yeah. Screen. So I did four. Four days a week. That became too much. It was too much.

[Host]

I wonder what the kids are thinking about, like, people. Because there's no bar to entry. There's no barrier to entry to be a streamer.

[Aaron]

Right.

[Host]

But when a kid sees a streamer, they're like, oh, my God, you're a streamer. That's so cool.

[Big T]

I think that's like, you know, when you. Or, you know, I were kids, everybody wanted to be a football player, you know, athlete, whatever. I think now they all want to be YouTubers.

[Mackenzie]

Really?

[Aaron]

Yeah. It's a viable career path now.

[Mackenzie]

We're podcasters.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I think we're. I think we're old media at this point.

[Mackenzie]

True.

[Big T]

I think the. The streamers are the.

[Host]

Yeah. They look at us and they're like, why. Why don't you just do the podcast 12 hours a day?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

Why is it recorded and just by yourself and live? Yeah.

[Aaron]

I be wanting to do more live, but y' all seem to not want to do more live.

[Host]

I would like to, if I had

[Aaron]

the time, like, just Q A, like, vibing with the fans live. That would be fun to me.

[Host]

I would absolutely like to, if I. If I had more time to do it.

[Big T]

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[Host]

Aaron, have you paid any attention to the.

[Aaron]

No.

[Host]

Nothing. Nothing.

[Aaron]

Maybe. I don't know what it is.

[Host]

New Zealand?

[Aaron]

No.

[Host]

In the World cup they're called the All Whites.

[Aaron]

No, I thought they was All Blacks.

[Host]

That's the rugby team.

[Big T]

Yeah. Is there a really. What's the explanation?

[Host]

So the rugby team was first they were the All Blacks because they would wear all black and still do.

[Aaron]

And then.

[Big T]

Fair enough.

[Host]

The soccer team wears traditionally a white uniform. So they're the All Whites. Their basketball team is called the Tall Blacks.

[Big T]

I did know that.

[Host]

Yeah. And then their badminton team for a while was called the Black Cox because it's a shuttlecock that you hit. And they, they had to, they had to dial that one back after a while they said that one is. We tried to get more attention on our sport. Turns out was not great attention. So we're going to stop calling ourselves that.

[Aaron]

Some of us are just born on that team.

[Host]

Yep. You can't adopt it. But yeah, they are. The, the All Whites in soccer got

[Big T]

a good draw the other night.

[Host]

Good draw. And then Australia, the Socceroos.

[Aaron]

So watching Congo and Portugal, when y' all said it was on, I just put it on in the, in the background and stuff. It's kind of, it's you, it's, it's like thrill seeking almost. I get the appeal. It's like every time down is an almost score, you know? Okay, I, I, I get it. I get it. And when does finally happen? You like, hey, yo, I get it. Yeah. All right. Yes.

[Host]

It's, it's pretty cool. It's a fun sport. Especially when you get like entire countries involved on the edge of their seats

[Big T]

and then when you see just a perfect pass that goes through two defenders and it's just perfectly waiting for the gu. Runs onto it, crosses it in header for. It's, it's perfect.

[Aaron]

And this, this dude is one of the, was one of the ghosts, right?

[Big T]

Number seven, Ronaldo.

[Aaron]

So he, he's one of like, he's, he, he's done, right? Like, cuz I'm looking at. He's just not moving.

[Big T]

Yeah, no, he's, he's washed.

[Aaron]

Looking a little messy.

[Big T]

Still out here doing it.

[Host]

Messi's out here scoring.

[Aaron]

Hot. Hot.

[Big T]

I think last night was like the definitive. I mean there's just no, there's no conversation.

[Host]

No, you can't. The, you know what The Ronaldo fans remind me of like, these are, they're Drake fans. Ronaldo is. Ronaldo's easy.

[Big T]

No, Drake is. Drake is still making good music.

[Host]

This is, it's the easiest comparison I've ever made. Is Ronaldo is Drake, Messi is Kendrick Lamar.

[Aaron]

This is going to, this is going to end. You know what? I don't know enough about the soccer comparison, but I've seen enough Kendrick Drake debates online to like, that's going to piss off Drake fans.

[Host]

Well, they're. Because they're going to be double mad because they're pissed off that Cristiano Ronaldo hasn't scored in this World cup yet as of now. But Drake had. Yeah. I mean, Messi had three goals yesterday.

[Aaron]

Did he really?

[Host]

World class goals, Hatrick.

[Aaron]

Wow. That's probably got to be exciting as

[Big T]

first ever World cup hat trick.

[Aaron]

Oh, really? Oh, that's, that's like something that's never been done. And that kind of puts the goat debate.

[Big T]

Well, just him, his first. Oh, I'm sure it has. It hasn't happened a ton, but. Right.

[Host]

It is very rare. But yeah, he did it and he's what, 39?

[Big T]

Yeah. I saw one guy say, I, I, I put Ronaldo fans on the same level as flat Earthers

[Host]

at this point. You just got to go down with the ship.

[Big T]

Yeah. Then I saw one guy say, I'm closer to Ronaldo than Ronaldo is to Messi.

[Aaron]

So this is like a deep rooted rivalry that I really like. I always heard the question, like you'll hear random people ask Messi or Ronaldo. Messi. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like LeBron. It's the LeBron or Jordan conversation I hear a lot. Right. I just didn't know like the lore

[Big T]

was this deep and they played on for a long time. Messi was at Barcelona and Ronaldo was at Real Madrid. So they played every year and those were like massive, massive games. And, and, and Ronaldo had the edge for a while, I think, but now

[Host]

it's, it's not close.

[Big T]

It's not even a question.

[Host]

Kobe was a messy guy. He told when he met Messi, he said to his face, he goes, you are the goat.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Host]

So he got stamped by the mamba.

[Aaron]

Yeah,

[Host]

certified.

[Aaron]

Where did the, where did the flopping culture come from in soccer? Like, how did that start? Was it always like that? Because I, I mean, I just turned it on. I've seen six of them that were like, get the up B. Like the game.

[Host]

It's been like that for. For a long time I don't know who the first guy who decided to flop was, but for, you know, for a long time soccer didn't have instant replay or anything like that. And it still to a certain extent does not really punish flopping as much as it should. But yeah, it was just like worth it to fool because like I'll put it this way. If every time SGA flopped and got a call that he should not get, it gave 20 points to the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's kind of how it is in soccer because if you flop in the penalty area and you get a penalty kick, chances are you're going to score a goal on it. And a goal is worth a ton in soccer. So the reward for. For a good flop is just like so, so high.

[Big T]

Guys, Ronaldo just missed like a. Oh, I saw.

[Aaron]

He just. It was. We talking.

[Big T]

It wasn't an easy shot, but it was couple feet.

[Host]

Oh man, that's too bad.

[Aaron]

Is he. Did he be looks maxing?

[Big T]

Yeah, kind of. He's kind of the original looks maxer.

[Aaron]

OG looks max.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

He's definitely had some Botox and that. You could tell.

[Host]

Yeah. Maybe some of the Ozempic. Maybe you got the abs done.

[Aaron]

I don't know about Ozempic. He. He runs for a living.

[Host]

He might have gotten the abs done though. He likes to take.

[Aaron]

Is that a real Adam's apple? Is that real?

[Host]

He might have got some looks back.

[Aaron]

Some.

[Host]

I think he got his Adam's apple done too.

[Aaron]

That look like it's a real apple in that.

[Host]

You guys want to talk a little con artist?

[Big T]

Yeah. Ronaldo.

[Host]

Yeah, he. He's. He's tricked you guys.

[Big T]

Penalty merchant.

[Aaron]

Yep.

[Host]

How many? What's.

[Aaron]

Start with the last one on the list.

[Host]

Last one on the list. What's the last one on the list?

[Aaron]

Shout out to the Reese. Shout out to the research guy.

[Host]

Yep. Let me just say he's trying his best to clean up that pool.

[Big T]

Listen, listen. I hope he does listen for whatever Trump has done a lot of dumb. The pool looks way, way better and you can't say it doesn't he. He's fixing the pool.

[Host]

Well, he did.

[Big T]

He fixed the pool and then people are going to act like the pool was never was always looked like this.

[Host]

Now he fixed the pool and now the pool is. Is fighting back.

[Big T]

Is it?

[Host]

Yeah, it's not a good looking pool right now, but it looked good.

[Big T]

Well, it wasn't before either.

[Host]

Well, the thing is like the pool was. It's not a. It's not A swimming pool, sure.

[Big T]

And he was like, for reflecting and it wasn't reflecting.

[Host]

He's seen a lot of swimming pools in his day and he, he approached it with the most Florida type mentality, which was like, I'll get the best pool cleaning company.

[Big T]

Call the pool guys.

[Host]

Call the pool guys.

[Big T]

To fix the pool.

[Host]

Yes, we're gonna fix the pool up. Maybe put a diving board in. We'll see how that goes. And then it's not really the way that it's built. Not meant to be a swimming pool. And some of the water that's coming in is coming in from a tidal basin in the Potomac River. And there's stuff in there that you don't see in your everyday run of the mill pool. And the filtration systems aren't up to code as they would be at, say, a fine hotel. So he's kind of. He's learning on the job a little bit. But it did look great. And I hope he fixes the pool. We can all agree on that.

[Big T]

Interior Department spokesperson said the residual algae is part of the normal startup process and they're removing it. Nano bubblers will maintain the pool and keep it algae free.

[Host]

There we go. So we're shocking it right now with

[Big T]

the hydrogen peroxide, the nano bubblers. Everyone knows this.

[Host]

That's. That's. Isn't that what Russell Wilson was selling? Water with nano bubbles in it?

[Big T]

Now that you say that, something does ring a bell about that. But I couldn't tell.

[Host]

That was Russell Wilson's anti concussion water.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

That had the. If you drank enough of the nano bubbles, it would protect your brain cells.

[Big T]

So maybe we need to be looking into the nanobubblers.

[Host]

Maybe fill the entire pool up with nanobubble technology. Yeah, hey, it's Hannah Montoya.

[Mackenzie]

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[Host]

Yeah, I mean, we could talk right off the bat about Frank Abagnale from Catch Me if youf Can.

[Aaron]

A fantastic movie.

[Host]

Really good movie. Now he might be like a doubly great con artist because so we. We've seen the movie, he was portrayed by Leonardo DiCaprio. And then at the end of it says that he now works for the FBI where he helps them figure out how to avoid being Conned or how to make things tougher to duplicate. Essentially just like if you can't beat them, join them and hire the best, the best con artists to tell you what they would do as a security consultant. But the funny thing is there was a book that came out written by Alan Logan in 2020 called Catching Truth While We Can. And apparently Abaniel was not that great of a con artist back in the day. And a lot of the stories from the movie and from his books are grossly exaggerated where he just stole from a couple families and small businesses before he got caught. So he was such a good con artist that he would. He conned small time businesses and then made up a lie about how he was conning the biggest corporations in the world and then sold his story where he became famous as history's greatest con artist. So history's greatest con artist as portrayed in a Hollywood film by an Oscar winning actor might itself be a con pulled off by a guy who is at one point just an average con

[Big T]

artist, but that actually makes him a better one.

[Host]

Correct. Pretty crazy, right?

[Aaron]

So like real con artists are like stolen valor from this guy.

[Host]

But I don't think they can say that anymore because he pulled off the ultimate con, which was getting everyone to believe he was the Goat Connors.

[Aaron]

I could see the psychology, right, Flip.

[Host]

So it's, it's tough to argue with that. Like the results kind of in the process of making the movie you could be like, yeah, this guy's a, he's a fraud. But now that it came out and, and that's kind of the story that's going to be, that's going to be remembered by everybody. Yeah, I think, I think he ultimately won.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And I mean, no telling how much he got for that movie.

[Host]

Yeah, probably good amount. Probably got laid a few times off that movie. You know, that's me, Frank Cabaneo.

[Big T]

Great film.

[Aaron]

It's kind of a, is an amazing film. But that's, that's. Yeah, I guess he accomplished his goal. He was an average ass con artist and turned into one of the greatest just by talking about how he was the great. I mean that's what your boy Donnie you just was. It was that line in the Art of the Deal that he said he's like, you just keep telling the truth. I mean, you just keep telling the more you say something, the more people believe it or some like that in his, in his book.

[Big T]

Did you read the Art of the Deal?

[Aaron]

No, I just. That excerpt is pretty famous.

[Big T]

Ronaldo just missed again.

[Host]

Oh, no. Was it even closer this time?

[Big T]

It was about the same.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, man.

[Big T]

A few feet outside the post, this.

[Host]

Are they better without Ronaldo? Should they bench him?

[Big T]

Probably.

[Host]

I think they should. It's yet embarrassing at this point.

[Aaron]

Has he done something to, like, piss people off? I sense a lot of disdain from y', all, from. From the boy.

[Big T]

He's. He's a pretty arrogant, you know, guy, but, I mean, he's one of the greatest soccer players ever. Like, that's fine. I think. Just. There's just no more. There's no more discussion. Like, he's. He's. He's been lapped, and that's fine.

[Host]

I think also, like, in comparison to Messi's personality, it's like, which one of these guys do you think would be a more fun guy to hang out with? Like, who's. Who's more of a normal guy? It's, like the biggest blowout of all time.

[Aaron]

Huh.

[Big T]

Also, he looks like a Greek God. And, like, Messi's what, five, six?

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And he just. He can do stuff that nobody has ever been able to do.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

When's Messy playing again? This will be my first time watching him. When is Messy playing?

[Host]

Well, he played last night, so probably like, a. A little bit less than a week from now. When is Argentina play next?

[Big T]

They play Austria on Monday at noon.

[Aaron]

Monday at noon. I am locked. That's right when the pod starts. Perfect.

[Host]

We'll see you there.

[Aaron]

We'll see you there. Prime time.

[Big T]

Y' all have fun?

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I don't know.

[Mackenzie]

Honeymoon.

[Big T]

Big T. I think I've missed one or two episodes of this show ever.

[Host]

Mm.

[Big T]

And it was very early.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, I don't think. I think you missed one for Omaha, maybe.

[Big T]

No, I did it. I did it from Omaha. That was the guy. The. The. The. You want to talk about a con artist? The Mandela effect guy. Yeah, it was like, you know, Coca Cola didn't used to have a thing in the. Well. Yeah. They changed the logo in the last 130 years.

[Aaron]

Yeah, that guy was. That guy was interesting.

[Mackenzie]

I don't think you've missed one since I've been working on the show.

[Big T]

Yeah. Y. Y' all have fun.

[Mackenzie]

I don't think we've ever had an Aryan pft.

[Host]

Steady. Yeah, Steady T. Always here.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Interesting. That's. That was the original idea with me.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Me and you, Erica, we've never had a solo episode.

[Big T]

That's time for everything.

[Host]

That's wild. My other favorite con artist from this list is Victor Lustig. So he. He Sold the Eiffel Tower twice. Shout out to this guy, like, you hear about dudes that say, like, he could sell you the Brooklyn Bridge or whatever. This guy actually sold the Eiffel Tower. Obviously did not have any right to sell the Eiffel Tower. But he got dressed up as like government official in France and he used, he had 47 different aliases. So in France he would, he would meet businessmen and then he would talk to them about arrangement that he has. He sent out a bunch of like notarized letters that he made using like fake seal machines and stuff, claiming that he was represented the French government. And because of structural instability in the Eiffel Tower, they had to disassemble it. And they were selling it to people who would want it for the metal from the Eiffel Tower. So if you wanted to help the country disassemble the Eiffel Tower, because it was going to fall over if they didn't take it down, then you could pay him for it. And they were interested in selling it to the highest bidder. So they said because of engineering faults, costly repairs, and political problems, I cannot discuss the tearing down of the Eiffel Tower has become mandatory. And he got a bunch of bids from it. There were so many people that were like, yep, okay, we want to be involved in buying the Eiffel Tower. And then he went on to trick people in the United States too. He had a money box scam. So Lustig's money box was a pretty entertaining invention that he had as far as cons go. So he would, he would bring a bunch of businessmen around and he would like, almost like he was doing like a street performer act. And then he would show them, I've got this money box. It magically produces money. So he would do a demonstration where he would put a hundred dollar bill into the slot of the machines. And then after chemical processing, the machine would then spit out $200 bills. And he called it his, his money box.

[Aaron]

Oh yeah.

[Host]

And so he would sell the contraption for $10,000 to businessmen.

[Aaron]

And what's, what's that back then? What's 10, what's 10 racks back?

[Host]

Oh, a lot of money. I'm going to guess 1918.

[Big T]

I mean, got to be a million.

[Aaron]

Is it that much? I thought I was going to go like what, 100k? 150?

[Big T]

No, no, no, no. You said 1918.

[Host]

Yeah, let's say 1918.

[Big T]

1918. $10,000. 221.

[Host]

That's a great deal if that for, for an actual Money box.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

So. But it was his buddy that was like hiding inside the box with $200 bills that would just, like, push those out. Yeah, but it's his money box. And if you. Listen, if you actually had a money box, why would you. Why would you take your time traveling around the world selling more money boxes to people? Wouldn't you just hang out in your house and. And you would just. Your job would be to use the money box?

[Aaron]

He just wants other people to experience the joy that he had being able to create currency on call, I guess.

[Host]

So that would be the big question that I would have, though. So he. Then he went to the United States after he got busted for selling the Eiffel Tower, and he did the money box scam when he was in the US and A. Yeah, he was. He was getting in trouble for some other scams, like run of the mill scams. And a Texas sheriff tried to arrest him. He goes, let me show you one thing before you arrest me, sir. Can I interest you in a money box? And he. He gave the detective or the. The sheriff in Texas a money box to let him off of the arrest. And they're like, wait a second. This is a fake money box. It used to be so easy to. To trick people.

[Aaron]

Yeah. There's no. It's just.

[Host]

It's just you.

[Aaron]

You. And there's no way to track him afterwards either. That's a bunch of crazy happened back then.

[Host]

Yeah. He also. He had a giant counterfeit operation in the U.S. and it was so big that it was, like, reported on in the newspapers and the economy. It sent it, like, into a small scare because nobody could trust their currency because this might be one of Lustig's dollars that he made and put into circulation. So a con man so good he almost wrecked the economy. There's also the original, the OG Charles Ponzi. You familiar with Ponzi's game?

[Aaron]

Yep.

[Host]

He was Italian immigrant, and he. He got a job at bank Zarossi, which was mostly other Italian immigrants in Montreal. And the bank went out and Ponzi was now on the streets. So he started forging checks, he started smuggling stuff. He got thrown in jail, and then when he got out, he thought to himself that there might be a way that he could use the mail, he could use his connections to just start making money. So in the rise of Mr. Ponzi, there was a business correspondent from Spain who was interested in learning more about Ponzi's journal that he had enclosed a small paper square that put Ponzi's imagination into overdrive. So it was a small scrap of paper. It was an international postal reply coupon, and the spanish correspondent enclosed it into prepayment of reply postage. So it's bought in a Spanish post office for 30 centavos. It could be exchanged for u. S. Stamp worth 5 cents, a redemption rate. It was fixed by an international treaty, but the spanish peseta had fallen in relation to the dollar. So in theory, someone who bought a reply coupon in spain could redeem it in the united states for a 10% profit. So buying coupons in countries that had weak economies increased that margin. So it should be possible to make a killing if you buy large quantities of those coupons in certain overseas countries and then redeem them in countries with strong currencies. He called it the securities exchange company. And he promoted his idea, saying that you get double your money back plus interest within 45 days. And he hired a bunch of sales agents who got 10% commissions for every investor that they pulled in, and then somebody underneath them that would get 5%. And the scheme got bigger and bigger, and he took the payments, and instead of using them to actually ship the stamp coupons, he just took the money for himself. Then he gave the portions to pay off the previous investors, and then that's how the scheme got so big. So in theory, he had an idea that could work, but it also, I think once he get it started, to get a bunch of investors, it seemed like a whole bunch of work that he didn't really want to do when he just had the money right there in front of him. So he didn't think it through in the long term. And so then there was ponzi's publicist by the name of William mcmasters, who revealed the fraud scheme and reported them to the authorities. So his own publicist turned men. You know how much he got in jail? Three and a half years for inventing the ponzi scheme.

[Aaron]

Did he invent it?

[Host]

Yeah, well, it's the name probably. Probably not the first guy to ever run the scheme of, like, taking money from investors and then using that money to pay off previous investors. But he had, like, a large enough scheme and where they named the ponzi scheme after him.

[Aaron]

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna see who. I don't think it was him.

[Big T]

I mean, he gets the credit for it.

[Host]

He gets credit for it. Yeah.

[Aaron]

Vision is history, my goats.

[Big T]

Gregor mcgregor.

[Host]

Okay, what do you like about Gregor mcgregor?

[Big T]

So this guy here goes real quick.

[Aaron]

The first to operate a ponzi scheme was a guy by the name of Adele Spitzer in Germany. And then after that was Sarah Howe in 1879. So I think, yeah, his was probably just the biggest.

[Big T]

The largest.

[Aaron]

But like, there were. There were documented cases of doing that before. So I remember. I remember that about him.

[Host]

So would you rather be like, would you rather be Charles Ponzi and have the scheme named after you, even though you weren't the. The first to do it, or would you rather be one of the earlier ones who did it? And now they get no recognition for the scheme that they ran.

[Big T]

Ponzi for sure.

[Aaron]

No. I mean, nah. Cause not like your family that wasn't. Pieces of shit can still carry on their name knowing their daddy or their grandpa was a criminal. And you still good. But now if your last name is Eric Ponzi, you like, it must be.

[Host]

It must be tough for any of his relatives with that name to ever, like, be a salesperson.

[Aaron]

Right.

[Big T]

You think they kept it? You think there's still Ponzi's out there?

[Host]

There's definitely some Ponzi's around. Yeah.

[Aaron]

Like the scheme.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, I like the scheme.

[Big T]

Same ones, actually.

[Host]

He made me. I'm out. You said Gregor McGregor?

[Big T]

Yeah. First of all, awesome name, great name. But he made up a fake country.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

In the 1800s and told everybody in Scotland, like, hey, this place is awesome. You should all like, move your money here and go there and live there. It's amazing. He called it. What was the name of the country?

[Host]

It was like, next to Honduras, right?

[Big T]

Yeah, it was Poyais. P O Y A I s. And so he sent all these people to Honduras.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Took all their money, and then they all got there and realized it sucked. And they all died of malaria and disease. And then they. The Scottish government, like, was going after him and telling people, do not listen to this guy. Don't go there. And so he ended up, like, going to Venezuela in exile and then eventually died.

[Host]

So he didn't. Never actually paid the price for it.

[Big T]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Host]

So, yeah, I think two hundred and fifty Scottish settlers died on the trip. And then he tried to do the same con again in France too.

[Big T]

Yeah, I mean, it kind of worked.

[Host]

The first time he ran it back, he's like, yeah, I can't do this. I can't pull this on the, on the island anymore. But I'll get the French. They'll believe me.

[Big T]

He got £1.3 million selling fake government bonds to the country of Poyais, which is the equivalent of $5 billion today.

[Host]

Holy shit. I guess if you're gonna do a scheme, do a big scheme, right?

[Big T]

Yeah. Became a billionaire.

[Host]

Like, why are you. Why would you waste your time doing, like, small time? There have been some con artists, some great con artists that have made their name off of, like, being fake psychics in the past. Like, the people that can bend spoons. Where do you stand on that? Where do you stand on, like, psychics being labeled as con artists?

[Aaron]

Agreed.

[Big T]

If they are presenting it as if they actually are psychic and then, like, someone goes there who's, you know, vulnerable or in a bad mental space, then like, yeah, you're being a con artist. I think most people understand it's fake.

[Host]

Right.

[Big T]

But, you know, maybe that's giving too much credit to the masses.

[Host]

Like, if you bring in who's the mentalist for training camp, is he. Is he being a con artist when he goes to visit the Seahawks?

[Big T]

And again, like, I think most people, like, there was a, you know, a show who recently did, like, an expose on O's the Mentalist. Like, yeah, I think most people were where he's doing tricks. Yeah, it's, you know, it's kind of his thing.

[Host]

It's for entertainment.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

I guess the point that they made was that he's, like, writing books and teaching people how to read. People being like, I have an ability to.

[Big T]

Okay, then, yeah, that's a little different.

[Aaron]

But found a poll that said 40% of Americans believe in psychics, with nearly one in three people claim that they have experienced a psychic moment themselves.

[Big T]

All right, then. Yeah, maybe I was giving people too much credit.

[Host]

What is it?

[Aaron]

Yeah, man, I think you were.

[Host]

What does that mean? Have experienced a psychic moment. I knew that was going to happen.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Host]

It's also like, some confirmation bias probably in there.

[Aaron]

You had. You had. You had a, you know, a feeling, a belief that some was gonna happen. Now, Big T, where would you place miracles in this little pool of things that are unlikely?

[Big T]

Not at all. Part of it.

[Aaron]

You think miracles are a thing?

[Big T]

Yes.

[Aaron]

Gotcha. Miracles. Good psychics out.

[Big T]

Psychics aren't actually doing anything.

[Aaron]

Some would argue neither are miracles.

[Host]

But miracles. Can't you appreciate miracles as being something that's so unlikely as to be worthy of being celebrated?

[Aaron]

I think they're the same. It's the same thing as chance. Like, it's a miracle. Me and you met.

[Host]

Could you not celebrate that, though?

[Aaron]

I do celebrate chance all the time.

[Host]

So we're just talking about a different name. Are you talking about specifically, but also

[Big T]

the difference is you are describing things that happened and then you can ascribe to them whatever you want. Whereas a psychic is just saying things that are just not true.

[Aaron]

Well, I think some people, like pastors and like mega preachers kind of play on the same vibe.

[Big T]

Like some, some sometimes.

[Aaron]

So like, like if you, if you have cancer and you cure it. Miracle, you know what I mean?

[Big T]

Can be.

[Aaron]

Well, that's what you're saying. Plenty of people die of cancer every chance.

[Big T]

That's true.

[Aaron]

Yeah. I don't like it. As long as it keeps you going, man. Whatever you got to do to, to stay happy in these times.

[Host]

One of Chicago's best con artists was one of the greatest to ever do it. In fact, he, he might have invented a phrase that we were just talking about earlier in the show. Big T. Chicken nugget.

[Big T]

What?

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Host]

You want to know where that came from?

[Big T]

I do.

[Host]

This guy named Joseph the Yellow Kid. Whale. W E I L. How would you say that?

[Big T]

Wheel.

[Host]

Wheel. So he was born in 1875, died in 1976. He was loan collector in Chicago. So they had a loan sharking industry back in the day in the late 1800s. And so he noticed that some of his co workers were hanging on to some of the extra coin around the margins. And he was like, I'm not going to turn you into the boss as long as you give me like a little percentage of everything that you're skimming off the top. So they said, yeah. And he started to make a little bit of money. He started working with another grifter by the name of Frank Hogan. And then there was a Chicago alderman that they called Bathhouse John. Bathhouse John Coughlin. Great, great nickname for the all time nicknames.

[Big T]

We need some nicknames for these aldermen we got now.

[Host]

Yeah, was, was a big fan of the comic book Hogan's Alley and the Yellow Kid. So one of the guys was named Hogan and he was like, so you, you must be the Yellow Kid, which is what they called Wheel. And so he worked around Chicago with another con man by the name of Doc Merriweather. And they started doing like snake oil sales. So it would be like elixir that would cure anything that you had. And it was just basically water that was in them. But they would sell it as an elixir, made a bunch of money doing that. They would wear various disguises and they would take stray dogs, they would give them a bath, and then they would sell them on the street and be like, this dog is purebred. And people would pay A lot of money for them. Great con. They tried to sell Cook County Hospital for $150,000. Did not get away with that one. They opened a fake bank and they stole 500,000 through an investor who thought he was a crooked banker. And he scammed Mussolini himself out of $2 million doing that.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Host]

Which is. I think it's actually kind of a brilliant con, is you start a fake bank and then you tell other people, like, hey, I'm starting this bank and I'm going to take a bunch of money from it, and my boss isn't going to find out. So if you give me some money to invest in this fake bank that I'm conning other people out of, I'm going to cut you in on my profits. And then you just take that person's money. It's kind of like a double con. So he got. He got 2 million bucks from Mussolini himself out of that one. Then in 1989, we sold a chicken to a wealthy prospector passing through Illinois for the price of a golden nugget. It's from that rumor that the term chicken nugget stems from.

[Big T]

Hang on, you're telling me there were no chicken nuggets before 1989?

[Host]

1889.

[Big T]

Oh, I think you said 19.

[Host]

Oh, sorry, 18.

[Big T]

I was also very confused by that, because if you were getting. If. If a con man passing through town was getting you in 1989, that's just.

[Host]

That's on you. Yeah. Anyone passing through town should not get anyone in 1980. But, yeah, so there was a wealthy guy and he had. He had, like, small nuggets. And so to get the chicken, he just gave him a small nugget. He goes, this is my chicken nugget. And then that's the first recorded usage of that term. Great tie. Awesome tie by the lads in the Congo.

[Big T]

Congrats to the Congo.

[Host]

The Congo. You've done it again.

[Big T]

A lot of ties.

[Host]

Really, really tough morning for. For Ronaldo. Stands out there.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Damn, what a great messy last night and then him and him today.

[Big T]

I see.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I don't know how you defend that.

[Aaron]

You play the hits. That's what Drake fans do.

[Big T]

They both have hits.

[Aaron]

Both kind of hits.

[Host]

Brother Aaron, do you have any. Any other con guys that you'd like to discuss?

[Aaron]

Not me. I'll talk about most of the ones on a sheet. There was Annika Sorokin.

[Big T]

Was.

[Aaron]

Was an interesting one that she was a German lady that had like a fake 60 million dollar fortune and she just used her confidence in white Privilege to scam New York banks, hotels. This is like, this is pretty recent. It was 2016-17. So she would like find luxury hotels to travel and launch like exclusive. An exclusive arts club. So she just walked in and said, this is what I'm. This is what I'm gonna do. And got a whole bunch of, A whole bunch of bread for it. So I got like two years though. So it wasn't like as notoriety notable as the other ones, but I thought it was funny.

[Big T]

I have one and it's every like procurer and seller of, quote, fine art. Because that is a, that is a Ponzi scheme.

[Host]

Okay, tell me more.

[Big T]

Well, they, you, you throw some paint on a canvas, get someone to come appraise it and say, this is worth $200,000, and then it's a, it's a tax write off. Right.

[Host]

I, I'm not exactly sure how taxes

[Big T]

work on art, but there's something like that where they can, they can just pay somebody to appraise it at something ridiculous and then they get a lot of financial benefits for it.

[Host]

Yes. They. Yeah. And your money stays parked there. And I, I then think it becomes more money laundering.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

So if, if you have your money that is invested in fine art, then you can sell that.

[Big T]

Oh, you. If you donate artwork to a qualified charity, an appraisal is required to substantiate the value and then you can. So you get a, an appraisal on this art you donated, and then you donated $200,000.

[Aaron]

Got it.

[Host]

And they can just say however much they think that it's worth.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

And artificially.

[Big T]

And I'm sure you can pay somebody under the table to give you a real nice appraisal.

[Host]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they. I would call that like. Yeah, it might be a con. I also was under the impression that at least for a while, until a couple years ago, I did not know that con meant confidence. I thought it meant like con as in, like going against something like pros and cons.

[Big T]

Ah.

[Host]

But it means confident. Like if somebody's super confident in the way that they act and what they do, then it makes you want to give up the money and give it. I got conned. I'll tell you the other one of the all time great con men that we're not talking about is the dent. The car dent guy.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

That did that work on my old car.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

And popped it right out. And then I got home and I was like, wait, wait a second. That wasn't the wallet. Inspector. And I was right and he stole all my money. Good for him, though.

[Aaron]

So the, The. The Victor Lustic guy, he created ten commandments for comment. So this is. This is the. The top 10 commitment or the 10 commandments for. He used it for. He Write a list of rules for aspiring grifters. Okay, Number one, be a patient listener. It's listening. It's listening. Not. Not fast talk that. That lands the con. Two, never look bored. Three, let the other person reveal their politics first, then agree with them. Four, same with religion. Let them show their hand, then share their faith. Five, hint at sex talk, but don't push it unless they bite. Six, don't bring up illness unless they show concern first. Seven, never pry into someone's personal life. They'll tell you everything eventually. Eight, never boast. Let your importance be quietly obvious. Nine, never be untidy. Ten, never get drunk.

[Host]

Never get drunk. Why? Because you might let the con slip or maybe just.

[Aaron]

Yeah, I think, I think this is alluding to what you was talking about. Confidence. Like, I think, I mean, if you're running a con, none of this is. Has anything to do with the actual con. It's more about exuding confidence and, and kind of marketed it to whoever you're trying to con. So I think when you're drunk, people are less trustworthy of drunk people. So maybe that's a little white flag. If someone's drunk around you, you know, they're not trying to con you, or if they are, they're shitty at it.

[Host]

I think also if you're. If you're like, really into the con game, you have to be hyper observant at all times to, like, see how your mark is reacting to things,

[Aaron]

maybe,

[Host]

or maybe just you're bad drunk and you. You get hammered, you just give up the game, like, immediately. Ah, I told him that I was doing a Ponzi scheme last night. Fuck.

[Big T]

No.

[Aaron]

I, I think that's. I think that's what it is. I think it's. It's because, like, people are in. In the moment, right? The, The. The grifters grifting are selling that shit. Snake oil salesmen are extremely personable, extremely like, likable, charming, charismatic, like all that shit. And so it don't. It ain't until afterwards you feel like. Or you. You notice that they. They got you. And so that gift of gab is, is. Is a real thing.

[Host]

I, I also think that if you are a con artist and you get drunk, like your whole. Your whole job is to tell lies. Like, you believe them. And if you get hammered, you're probably. You're not going to remember all the lies that you told him. So you can't keep your story straight.

[Aaron]

Yup.

[Host]

That type of thing.

[Aaron]

Mark Twain never. He said if you never lie, you never have to remember anything.

[Host]

Yep.

[Aaron]

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[Host]

the world blinks awake.

[Aaron]

At Boar's Head, we rise with a mission to deliver craftsmanship worthy of your table. A slice of something special folded into

[Host]

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[Aaron]

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[Host]

All right. Anything else?

[Mackenzie]

Would you consider Brendan Sorsby to be a con man or con artist?

[Host]

Oh, thank you for bringing that up.

[Big T]

No, no, just a different dumbass.

[Host]

I think He's. He's a guy that made. He's made some mistakes and I mean, it all came out in the wash. Big T. He's. He's not going back to college football for him.

[Big T]

But Texas Tech made real fools of themselves.

[Host]

They did. And they're. They're kind of unlucky that they were the first ones that had to deal with it because I would. I would assume that most major programs would. You think over 50% would have reacted, maybe not as foolishly, but like the same. The same intent, which is like, we still want him to play football for us.

[Big T]

I think any school that spent the amount of money they spent for him to be their quarterback. Yes. Would have wanted him to continue playing. I don't know how many would have chosen the. The route that Texas Tech did.

[Host]

The. The press conference, the 24 minute video or whatever.

[Big T]

They put out a lot of. A lot of dumb stuff coming out of Lubbock the last couple of weeks. But yeah, he's not going to play there. So. Yeah, I guess all's well that ends well.

[Host]

How good is he?

[Big T]

I think he's a. He's a really good college quarterback. I don't know how well it translates to the NFL.

[Host]

Really good college quarterback. Better than Kate Club Nick.

[Big T]

I think damn near anybody's better than Kate Club Nick. Why? Why Kate Kubnick.

[Host]

I think Memes said that Kate Club Nick is like, he's going to be

[Big T]

something currently or years ago.

[Host]

He just loves Kate Club Nick.

[Aaron]

I don't know.

[Big T]

Is he on the jets or something?

[Host]

I believe he's on the Jets. Practice.

[Aaron]

Okay.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah. He's horrific.

[Host]

So you would take. If it came down to it, I'm

[Big T]

closer to Cade Club Nick than Kate club. Nick is to Brendan Sorsby.

[Host]

Got it.

[Aaron]

All right.

[Host]

Yeah. I don't know if anyone's going to take advantage of the supplemental draft. Probably wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

[Big T]

If it Takes said all 32 teams are going to be at his pro day.

[Host]

All right. All right. That would be. That would be so interesting. Like, if this guy actually became awesome and some team was just able to claim him. I'll be watching.

[Big T]

Arian. Did y' all ever get anybody out of the supplemental draft?

[Aaron]

I don't think so. No. I forgot about that shit.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

Who are the most notable players to be picked in the supplemental draft?

[Big T]

Bo Jackson.

[Host]

Josh Gordon was supplemental.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

And Bo Jackson was too. Dang. Okay.

[Mackenzie]

Brian Bosworth. Chris Carter.

[Aaron]

Chris Carter, I believe. Wow.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

I saw a clip today of Chris Carter. I forget the other brother's name, man. Forgive me, but Chris Carter, Randy Moss, and then the receiver that was on the Vikings before Randy Moss, and I didn't notice. This is a hell of a fact. Chris Carter and the other receiver. I forget his name. They have four seasons where they both went back to back to back to back thousand yards, and then they drafted Randy Moss. That's kind of fucked up. Yeah, that's fucked up.

[Host]

That is crazy.

[Mackenzie]

Bernie Kozar, Brian Bosworth, Chris Carter.

[Host]

There's been a few good players.

[Big T]

Terrell Pryor, the last supplemental draft selection was Jalen Thompson in 2019.

[Host]

I actually. I thought Terrell Pryor was going to be a decent quarterback for a little bit.

[Big T]

Jamal Williams, a solid receiver for a couple years.

[Host]

Very good receiver.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Host]

We do have some breaking news real quick. President Trump has spoken on the Orion deal, and here's what he says. Let's listen to him this way.

[Aaron]

If it works out, I'm going to take the credit.

[Host]

If it doesn't work out, I'm blaming J.D.

[Aaron]

you better be careful, J.D.

[Big T]

oh, he's still got it.

[Mackenzie]

It's so annoying that he's so funny.

[Big T]

He's the funniest to ever do it.

[Host]

Big T, you're going to want to look at Howard Lutnick over his right shoulder as he's just riffing. Look at this. Just look at him.

[Big T]

Just.

[Host]

Lutnick's having a grand old time. Just eating it up. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Good joke, sir. Thank you, sir. And Marco Rubio is not.

[Big T]

We're gonna blame it on JD

[Host]

Marco is not having a good time listening to this speech.

[Big T]

You think he's Next up or J.D.

[Mackenzie]

howard Lutnick.

[Host]

No, Marco, it's going to be probably. Probably between the two. I don't think that JD Is going to do so. So well when it's just him. I think that he's.

[Big T]

I think. I think they're trying to groom Marco.

[Host]

I think there might be two, because JD Is not. What would say, like, he's. He's not well liked by either of the groups that he sometimes tries to appeal to. He's kind of like. He floats back and forth too much. I think people read through his outside and they. Underneath it all, they see a guy that is like very much online and very much like a poster.

[Big T]

I. I just think he'd do anything for power.

[Host]

Yeah. Yeah. I think he makes a lot of people uncomfortable.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

So I would guess between two of them.

[Aaron]

Marco.

[Host]

Marco's wanted this for forever.

[Big T]

I mean, did he run in 2012?

[Host]

He did run in 2012, yeah. Yeah, yeah. This is probably one of his last shots. So I think it's going to be Marco ultimately. And then I don't know who the Demps are going to do. What are the markets telling us right now? Big T. Who's first amongst the Dems?

[Big T]

It was Kamala at one point.

[Host]

There's just. There's no way.

[Big T]

So, I mean, this is poly market, so take it for what it's worth, But Gavin Newsom, 24%. John Ossoff, 10%. He's the senator from Georgia, AOC, 9%. Kamala, 7%. And then Josh Shapiro, Buddha judge Andy Bashir.

[Host]

You say Westmore from Maryland.

[Big T]

He's at 1%.

[Aaron]

Okay.

[Host]

Yeah. No idea.

[Aaron]

All right, but if Pete wasn't gay, it'd be a easy, easy, easy win for him, but people ain't ready to vote for no gay dude.

[Big T]

The latest New York Times polls, the top share of support is Kamala Harris at 20%.

[Host]

There's just no way.

[Aaron]

Run it back, baby.

[Host]

There's zero.

[Big T]

I'd be fine with that. I. I would. I think she's a worthy adversary.

[Host]

I think. I think most. Yeah, most Republicans out there would. They're. They really want to. They want a second crack.

[Big T]

We would be willing to grant her a rematch.

[Host]

Yeah. Just immediate. Yep. I bet she would take that, too. Yeah, I mean, I bet she'd be ecstatic. And the best candidate to skip the primaries again. All right, well, we will see you guys next Tuesday. Big T. Have fun on your honeymoon.

[Big T]

Will do.

[Host]

Love you guys.

[Big T]

Goodbye.