Conspiracy Roundup With Dante and Jerry O’Connell | May 28, 2026

Summary

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Macrodosing | Conspiracy Roundup With Dante and Jerry O’Connell

Podcast: Macrodosing (Barstool Sports)

Hosts: PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Dante, Big T, Mad Dog, McKenzie

Guests: Jerry O'Connell

Release Date: May 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This special “Conspiracy Roundup” brings actor Jerry O’Connell (Stand By Me, Jerry Maguire) and Barstool’s Dante face-to-face, celebrating their budding bromance alongside PFT Commenter and the regular Macrodosing crew. The episode is a lively, irreverent deep dive into several popular (and not-so-popular) conspiracy theories and adjacent cultural topics, with Jerry playing comic skeptic to Dante’s enthusiastic theorist. The discussion moves from Jeffrey Epstein and alien bloodlines to pandas, nuclear weapons, and online dating strategies, blending humor, incredulity, and genuine curiosity.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Friendly and comedic debate over major conspiracy theories.
• Exploring how uncertainty, media, and modern anxieties fuel alternative explanations for world events.
• Highlights the cultural moment where conspiratorial thinking is both widely mocked and embraced.
• Jocular but thoughtful reflection on the roles of skepticism, trust, and just loving a good story.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein: Suicide or Something More?

[10:51–34:14]

• Jerry’s Stance: Thinks Epstein killed himself, citing Occam’s razor—“the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.”

  "I think the guy just killed himself." (Jerry, 12:59)

• Dante’s Counter: Heavily skeptical, arguing Epstein’s hyper-connected life, history of blackmail, and surveillance make suicide unlikely.

  "Nothing about Jeffrey Epstein was simple." (PFT, 13:18)
  "He spent his whole life building up blackmail... Does a man like that hang himself?" (PFT/Dante, 19:54)

• Evidence Raised:
  • Cameras failing at the exact time of the death.
  • Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein’s brother both expressing doubts about suicide.
  • The existence of a documented plan to “divert” the media with a fake body—outlining possible body swap theories.
• Jerry’s Reaction: Slightly swayed—grants murder is possible, but draws the line at “Epstein is still alive” claims.

  “Okay, Dante, I'll give you this in this round: there's a possibility he was murdered” (Jerry, 34:10)

2. 23andMe, DNA, and Alien Bloodlines

[41:00–53:51]

• Dante’s Claim: 23andMe’s DNA data (after bankruptcy) is being used by intelligence agencies to track rare “Nordic” (allegedly alien) bloodlines.

  “Supposedly the CIA has been scouring through these DNA files...they believe that the Nordics have mixed with humans over the years” (Dante, 45:50)

• Jerry’s Skepticism: Doubtful, chalks up tall Dutch relatives to genetics, not ancient aliens.

  “If you go to Holland, they're all tall... Are they aliens? No, they're just different.” (Jerry, 51:00)

• Humorous Admissions: Jerry confirms wife (Rebecca Romijn) appears in “Epstein files” due to modeling (not illicit reasons).

  “My wife is in the Epstein files. Four times.” (Jerry, 31:36)

3. “Pandas Aren’t Real” Theory

[53:51–63:56]

• Dante Recaps Internet Theory: Pandas may be genetically engineered, don’t appear in ancient Chinese art or text, exhibit odd evolutionary quirks, and may be a modern invention tied to Chinese soft power and Western fascination.

  “There’s no documented history of pandas...The color patterns look designed, not evolved.” (Dante, 56:32–59:54)

• Jerry’s Counter: Genetics constantly evolving; pandas are real but maybe a product of natural oddity, not artifice.
• PFT’s Joke: “[Eye patches are] a known cartooning trick.” (PFT, 59:53)

4. Aliens, Disclosure, and Government Shifts

[63:59–70:27]

• Dante’s Reflection: Wonders why the government so abruptly reversed decades of UFO denial and ridicule, now openly discussing aliens.

  “Now all of a sudden, the government's like, yeah, you guys are right. They're out there.” (Dante, 65:06)

• Jerry’s Testimony: Shares a funny “UFO” sighting story (Montauk, NY, 1990s), theorizes it was Air Force tech, not aliens.

  "I don't believe that was an alien...Show me clear footage, and I'll agree with you." (Jerry, 68:13)

• Consensus: More skeptical, believing government disclosure is political distraction or culture play.

5. Are Nuclear Weapons Fake?

[73:34–81:11]

• Dante Relays Internet Theory: Claims that Hiroshima/Nagasaki were exaggerated, and most nuclear tests were faked for propaganda.
• Jerry and PFT Respond: Strongly reject; citing extensive historical, physical, and ecological evidence.

  “I got to apologize to the people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima for hearing this. Because it happened. It was real.” (Jerry, 74:59)

6. Cultural Sidebar: Dating, Technology, and Social Media

[112:46–118:59]

• Topic: New online dating strategies: “How will I get there?” as a gold-digging or status-probing question.
• Dante: Admits to sending Ubers for dates, but calls out influencer dating “games” as manipulative.

  “The one that's really messed up is the one where they text a bunch of guys in their phone...seeing which guy will be the sucker.” (Dante, 118:30)

• Roundtable: Amused, a bit exasperated at modern dating trends.

7. Sports Oddities, White House UFC, and Bat Dogs

[121:37–152:09]

• White House UFC Match: Mixed reactions—regards it as peak 2020s spectacle, anticipates bug-swarm in D.C. summer.
• World Cup Soccer: What would happen if USMNT won? Would it top NFL in ratings? (Consensus: Yes, temporarily.)
• Bat Dog Injury: Debate around a minor league baseball player’s injury due to team’s bat dog; Dante and PFT declare “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners.” (A running joke about unwavering loyalty to dogs ensues.)

8. Conspiracies, Insecurity, and Human Nature

• Jerry’s closing insight: Conspiracy theories often arise from uncertainty, insecurity, and a desire for catharsis when facing confusing or tragic events.

  “A lot of these conspiracies come from things that we are completely insecure about, touching on those insecurities.” (Jerry, 98:43–99:10)

• The episode closes on mutual respect: Jerry concedes “maybe” on Epstein, Dante lauds Jerry’s skepticism and humor.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• PFT Commenter: “Nothing about Jeffrey Epstein was simple.” [13:18]
• Jerry O’Connell (on conspiracy escalation): “You can't just stop at maybe he was murdered...You have to take it to 'he wasn't murdered at all; he smuggled his body out.'” [27:36]
• Dante (seriously–but joking): “I'm at the point now where I'm not even positive he's dead.” [26:40]
• Jerry (on 'alien bloodlines'): “If you go to Holland...they're like fucking giants...Are they aliens? No, they're just a different [kind of people].” [51:00]
• PFT (on pandas): “Known cartooning trick.” [59:53]
• Dante (on dating): “The games are fucked up. The game that I think is most fucked up...they text a bunch of guys in their phone while they're out at dinner with their girlfriends and they see who can get the guy to buy them and their friends the dinner.” [118:30]
• Jerry (on conspiracy roots): “A lot of these conspiracies touch on things we are very insecure about...nuclear war, wild animals, China...it all comes back to insecurity.” [98:43–99:10]

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Important Segments by Timestamp

• Epstein conspiracy debate: 10:51–34:14
• 23andMe, DNA, and alien/Nordic bloodlines: 41:00–53:51
• “Pandas aren’t real” theory: 53:51–63:56
• Aliens/UFO government disclosure: 63:59–70:27
• Nuclear weapons (are they real?): 73:34–81:11
• Modern dating games: 112:46–118:59
• White House UFC, sports spectacle: 121:37–123:39
• Bat dog baseball mishap: 147:43–152:09
• Conspiracy theories & insecurity in culture: 98:43–99:53

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, fast-paced, locker-room humor with streaks of genuine curiosity and cultural critique.
• Strong contrast between Jerry’s comic skepticism and Dante’s willingness to “just ask questions.”
• Pop culture and sports references abound—podcast never takes itself too seriously but lands some thoughtful points about uncertainty, information, and belief in modern life.

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Bottom Line

A lighthearted yet probing episode that covers a buffet of internet and real-world conspiracies, with Jerry O’Connell as both skeptic and comic foil to Dante’s knowledge dumps. While most wild claims get playfully debunked, the episode leaves room for philosophical questions about trust, information, and why outlandish theories can be so attractive in anxious times.

Standout Moment: Jerry’s willingness to update his beliefs slightly on Epstein (“there’s a possibility he was murdered”), and the recurring joke that his wife’s stature and travels put her in every conspiracy file imaginable.

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Transcript

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[C]

First of all, I don't that. That that term sounds a little. It might offend some people, but you know, I. I cross bred with a Dutch lady. That's why my kids are like Paul, you know, like.

[B]

No, I don't mean. I don't mean ethnicities. I mean alien race and human race.

[A]

But no, you were just saying that his wife might be an alien. I think a lot of the stuff is striking a little too close to home for Jerry. That much is clear. I think you're, you're. Hey, when you're getting flacked, that means you're over all the right targets. Not that.

[C]

You know what? Maybe later tonight I'll. I'll swab my wife, see if she's a secret and send it over to Dante. We can do a test.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah, I'm, I'm so excited. I mean, I said this on, on your other podcast, on that other podcast that I believe. Dante is literally the most interesting man in the world. And he's got some, he's got some out there ideas and theories that, you know, I sort of question a little bit. I'll tell you also where this is coming from. They have a family member, not going to say who, trying to keep the family intact. Who last holiday we were seated next to each other at a table. It was hot. There was family all over the place. And this family member said to me, just out of the blue, you know, the. We were talking about something and they said, yeah, well, that's. It's like the moon landing. It's a bunch of. I sort of laughed and I could tell they were serious, and this is a close family member. And I said, you're. You're kidding, right? About the. About the moon landing? And he said, no, man, it never happened. It was. It was fake. It was a government operation.

[A]

Look up the Van Allen radiation belt, Jerry.

[C]

The Van Allen radiation belt.

[A]

Dante will tell you about it.

[C]

Yeah, see, this is where it gets a little crazy, guys. Like, that's something that the Internet made up. And like, it's sort of my job here, make sure that. Sorry.

[B]

No, I agree that it gets crazy, but for the opposite reason. Because there's such a thing as it.

[A]

Yeah, because sometimes the truth just sounds crazy. It's almost like too stranger than fiction. It's crazy how true it is.

[B]

I got it. Before we get into this, Jerry, I got a. I got a question for you, by the way. You. I'm not just saying this to pump your tires. You look amazing. You look like you're on a modeling shoot.

[D]

I do want to warn Jerry, just very quickly.

[B]

We.

[D]

Jer. We don't go as long as we used to on this show. We've had some four hour episodes, but we go a little long. I don't know if you wanted to get a little more comfortable or how you're going to work on that, but we. We go a little while.

[A]

We're not planning on four hours, by the way. Have you guys. You guys have met before, right? Big T. We've.

[D]

We've had a brief interact or two.

[A]

Yeah. All right, so, yeah, Jerry, big team. Then we also have Mad Dog and McKenzie. They're producing. So just making sure you got the lay of the land here.

[B]

They're great. They're all great.

[D]

You look sick as hell. I just want to make sure that you'll be comfortable for an hour.

[A]

We don't. We don't got to go for two hours. We don't got to go for. But if you got like an hour, hour and a half, I think that that would be plenty. Is that cool?

[C]

I don't think I could be more comfortable. This is like me and my element.

[B]

Perfect.

[D]

Perfect.

[A]

All right. Perfect.

[B]

All right. That said, you look cool as hell.

[A]

You do.

[B]

That said, I gotta ask why you are where you are right now is this. Are you ashamed or afraid to be in your house talking about this stuff? Is that why you're like, down the street? Is this like what my friend does when he has to make a phone call that he doesn't want his wife to hear? He like, says he's going out to get something and he drives around. Is that what this is?

[C]

Dante, I gotta say, you're very astute. I am down the street from my house. My spouse is currently in my house. I don't have like a home office or something. I have a little closet area where I do a lot of my fantasy work, fantasy football work, but I didn't want to sit in the closet for this. Yeah, I drive about less than a mile away from my house where the cell service. I'm directly under a cell tower right now. I'm sure you have some sort of theory about that. I'm OK. The 5G hating me. I don't think it causes Covid.

[B]

Dude, I gota. I gotta admit.

[A]

It's not that it causes Covid. It's that if you get the jab and you're around 5G, it'll send signals to the. The nanobots that are in your blood to like, reactivate. That's what we're. You're being intentionally obtuse, Jared.

[B]

I'm not on. I'm not on board with that one either, Jared. Don't worry. I don't. Listen, I don't believe. I don't believe in everything.

[D]

Did you get the jab, Dante?

[B]

Yeah, I did. Sadly.

[C]

How many times? How many times?

[B]

Just once. And you know what sucks? I waited until the very, very end and I caved. My. My ex pressured me into it. I had to go to Italy, and Europe was letting anyone in without it, so I got it. And then like a month later, they were like, ah, we don't. We don't care about that anymore. It's over. So disappointed in myself.

[C]

You should have just. You. You should have just. Kai. Read it. Should have just. Aaron. Aaron did. Just waited until.

[B]

Hey. But what I was saying is, when we were in Vegas and you were talking about the live show, I thought you were full of it. When you were telling these guys on PMT that your wife had no idea who they were, who these people were. I thought you were just playing that up. And then I heard from everybody that was at the show that she was legit. Like, who are these people?

[A]

Yeah, it was great.

[B]

So you live like a double life.

[C]

Yeah, except my. My. My lovers Are, you know, bar, barstool. Like, I. I mean, honestly, like, my lover should be, like, a young Italian woman who, you know, English is her third language. You know, it. It. It shouldn't be, like, coming on macrodosing and talking about, like, the nanobots are talking to me through this 5G tower

[B]

that I'm looking at.

[C]

You know, I should be. I should be with a hot young chick. Like, let's be honest here.

[A]

You know, this is very sad. Sad period of adultery for you in your life. It's like, I'm gonna go talk to Dante.

[C]

My other lover is Dante. And Big T. Yeah.

[A]

Mickey smokes. That actually might. He. You and Nikki smokes, might actually fall in love with each other if you spend too much time around each other. He's got game. He's got game for days. I was hoping that we could pick up a little bit. Dante mentioned, you know, the experience in Vegas that we. We shared together, that dinner where you. I think that's when it became, like, officially official that, Jerry, you. You love Dante. You thought he was very interesting. There was one moment at that dinner where I think it really got. It was almost like you were teasing him, which is very cute to watch. We were talking about Epstein, and then Dante asked you what you thought about Epstein. You're like, I think. You know, I think he just. I think he just killed himself. And then. And you knew what you're doing with that, and. And Dante, like, started responding. It was, like. It was a nice little back and forth. I. I could see you, like, just kind of, like, needling him a little bit. Dante was falling for it hook, line, and snickers. So we could. We could either start there, or we could dive into. Into something else entirely or.

[C]

I don't know. I want.

[A]

I want you guys to get in something you're passionate about.

[B]

We could start there.

[C]

Let's just start there. Let me just say my piece. And then. And then I'm sure Dante has an opinion on this. I. I wasn't saying it to needle him. Epstein came up, as you know, he often does in conversation.

[A]

Conversation.

[B]

Bachelor parties.

[C]

Yeah. Just dinner conversations, you know, can you pass the creamed spinach? I think Epstein killed. Killed himself. I. I think when you start getting into the Internet and missing footage and surveillance footage, and you start getting into things that security guards purchased right after or right before Epstein. Mr. Epstein's death. I mean, we all agree Epstein was a monster. We agree on that, right? A child molesting monster.

[A]

Bad guy.

[C]

I just heard one person say bad guy.

[B]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[D]

Yes. You need the, like, the exit row.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Nothing for Mad Dog, but very bad guy. Okay, I don't want to speak for you. I don't want to. Very bad. Explain. Epstein. Mad Dog confirms. Yeah, bad guy. We hear you, McKenzie. Do you also confirm McKenzie confirms. Bad guy, too. So we're all in agreement. Bad guy.

[C]

Okay, bad guy. Great. I think he just killed him. Oh, this is what happened. The suicide note had just come out when we went on that bachelor party, and, well, yes, I'll agree. The finding of the suicide note years later in a book was suspect. I think the guy just killed himself. I think that other guy, Jean Luc Brunel, the other modeling agent who he was in cahoots with, killed himself. I, I just think these guys killed themselves. I, I, I look, are you. Is everyone familiar with Occam's razor?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Yes. The most razor, most probable.

[D]

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

[C]

Yes, great. Occam's razor. The guy killed himself. Dante, I give you the floor.

[A]

I'd like to push.

[D]

I would posit, I would posit that's not the simplest explanation.

[A]

I would also posit that in a. Nothing about Jeffrey Epstein was simple. There was nothing about this guy's life that was anything like your life or my life or anyone that, you know. The guy was, he was quite literally, maybe the most connected person in the world when it came to world leaders, different intelligence services, powerful financiers, a lot of people with lots and lots and lots of money, people that ran in the underworld. The guy had his hand. And it seems like everything, if you've read the contacts that he's had.

[B]

Fantastic point.

[A]

And so I would say that nothing about Jeffrey Epstein is a simple explanation. But I'll let Dante respond. I just want to interject. This is, this is supposed to be about Dante and Jerry.

[B]

So my question for you is. And this is, I mean, no offense whatsoever, I can't tell when you're being serious and when you're, like, kind of great actor being sly. Yeah, you're an amazing actor.

[C]

I'm being serious.

[B]

Okay. So I, I just, I don't even know where to start with this, because I feel like.

[C]

Start at the beginning.

[B]

Like you're, I feel like you're way too smart to truly believe. To truly believe what you just said. And I know how condescending that sounds.

[D]

I feel like that's, like, the biggest thing you can say.

[B]

I know. I feel like an. For saying that.

[C]

Hey, Dante. No, I. Nothing you say will offend Me. And, and I mean, that. That's actually a serious, like, statement here. Nothing you say.

[D]

Will.

[C]

Will. Kind of. I'm actually looking, I'm actually looking forward to hearing what you have to say because I'm looking forward to, to debunking it.

[B]

So like PFT just said. I mean, nothing about this guy's entire life makes a modicum of sense. From the part. From the part where you pick up where he got fired from a public school teaching job and then all of a sudden is managing, you know, basically today's equivalent of a hedge fund.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

He just goes literally from obscurity to, you know, Wall street elite status.

[A]

It's even a little bit crazy in that because he, he went from nothing. He got hired by. It was a private school in New York, and the guy that ran the school was Bill Barr, the former Attorney General was his father. His father ran it and hired Epstein out of nowhere. And then from there he got plunked to. Yeah, be a hedge fund manager.

[B]

Yeah. And. And then from there he's, you know, rubbing shoulder. Rubbing elbows with literally everybody that's, you know, in Washington, London, power brokers all around Europe.

[C]

It was, it was an elite private school. I believe it was the Dalton School, which, I'm from New York. I mean, I didn't even come close to being able to get in or even close even afford it. But you're rubbing elbows with pretty important people if you're going to one of, if not the most prestigious private school in New York. But continue.

[B]

So, Jerry, you know, like, I, I also am not from that world. I know enough people who are close to it, though. And you know, like I do, though, that is not a easy club to infiltrate. And if you are not, if you are not like blue blood, like, you can't just, you can't just crack into that. So the fact that he comes from out of nowhere, he doesn't have wealthy parents, wealthy grandparents, he doesn't have, you know, I mean, it's basically like the Great Gatsby. Like, he fakes his way into these circles and then all of a sudden he gains all this power and leverage. It just makes zero sense, 100%.

[C]

There's no doubts that the guy was, had the gift of Gap and he was, he was a shyster. He was, he was a smooth criminal. He was able to talk his way into situations. I mean, listen, I watched a documentary on him. He basically managed that super wealthy guy who owned the limiteds, ran his finances, who made money actually selling products, actually starting fast fashion Actually selling something.

[B]

Right, but do you think that he. A guy that successful and that wealthy is going to tap a guy with. No. I mean, he didn't even have an mba. I mean, you think he's going to tap him and give him. Give him power of attorney over all his finances and, Dante, I don't want

[C]

you and I getting sued immediately. But there. They had a weird relationship. Okay. And when I say weird, I mean, like. Like, look at my eyes.

[B]

Yes, agreed.

[C]

Strange relationship. Older dude, younger guy.

[B]

Right.

[C]

There's some weird stuff going on there.

[A]

I also think it was.

[C]

I want to see. When we're brought into court for saying this, I want to see them. Like, I'm not saying. I just want to let the jury know I'm not saying anything. I'm just going like this. They had a. They had a strange relationship. A relationship we. Guys like us, Dante could never understand.

[B]

Agreed. Agreed.

[A]

So he gets to a point where he's the, you know, most connected, one of the most powerful people in the world in terms of who he knows. Who's in his Rolodex. Here. Here's Jerry. Why I don't think that he killed himself is because the man spent his entire life building up books of blackmail on all of his enemies. It was very important to him to have everything documented, and not even his enemies, his friends. He had lots of blackmail on his. Yeah, there were cameras that were in all the rooms in his townhouse or cameras all over that house.

[C]

It's not operating right now. I mean, I don't want the bad guys to know that, but I have three cameras in my house, none of which work. But he had.

[B]

He had nanny cams.

[A]

A little different than. Than having a security system when he's got massage rooms with old guys getting jacked off left and right, and he's got it all on tape. What? He obviously has that for a reason.

[C]

So did Bubba the love Sponge. I mean.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, people have cameras in their house. I don't have a camera, like, in my bedroom or anything. I mean, not that anything is, like, worth seeing in there. It's just us watching summer house reunions and saying things like, don't touch me. Your foot is touching me. But, like, people have cameras in their houses.

[A]

You know, I think that's a little bit different, though, than if you're Epstein. You've got lots of illicit activities going on. And I don't think that he. My guess is he probably didn't use them all the time to be like, hey, I know you're thinking about doing this, just remember I got this video of you getting jacked off by a 13 year old. So I wouldn't do that. I think that Jerry, I think that Jeffrey Epstein mostly brought people into his universe, had them at parties where there were some questionable, illicit, illegal things going on. And it was understood that everyone kind of knew everyone's business. And so that made that he didn't have to threaten blackmail because he just knew you would just know that Jeffrey Epstein knows bad things about you. So you don't even have to verbalize all the time. But a guy. What about. My point is that a guy that spends his whole life, like networking via blackmail and via extortion and having these same kinds of connections, that is a man that's got very, very powerful friends and very, very powerful enemies as well. And I don't think that it's some. That's somebody that would end up killing themselves before they got to put all the stuff that they had built up in case of emergency to use in the public eye, which I think he had some backup plans and, and then backup plans to. Backup plans. And here's a safe, and here's how you get into the safe in case anything happens. I think he had all this stuff ready to go. And I don't think a guy like that hangs himself.

[B]

And it was documented they, that when they raided that New York townhouse, they emptied those safe. There's pictures of that safe empty with stacks of CD ROMs, stacks of Polaroids, and none of those, none of those have seen the light of day or ever will.

[A]

So I guess my point is I don't think a guy like that hangs.

[C]

Is this stuff on the. You mean the stuff on the CD ROMs? I have to break up my. I have to break up my Dell from 2000 and put it in there and like, see, it's what's on there.

[B]

I mean, this is, this is when he was doing all this stuff was the 90s and in 2000s, Jerry.

[A]

I got an MRI two weeks ago on my hamstring. And they gave me the results on an MRI or the MRI on a CD rom. And then I was just like, okay, what do I do with this? I. I got in touch with like, every producer at Barstool Sports is like, hey, do you have a computer that's got a City rom? And they're like, nope, nope. Sure don't.

[B]

Yeah, they don't even, they don't even make them anymore.

[C]

We have a Dell at my house that I haven't plugged in. In a few decades, in case Dante comes over with the Epstein CD ROMs, we're gonna fire up the old Dell. Gonna see.

[B]

Oh, so I'm porn from Limewire.

[A]

So, yeah.

[B]

All right, so that's part one, part two, or part 15 of this is the fact that they talked to his co conspirator, Jelaine Maxwell, who says there's no way he killed himself. He was murdered. They talked to his brother, who talked to him almost daily.

[C]

So, so did Ghislaine. Did. Did Ghislaine say he was. That's something that Ghislaine has said, yes.

[B]

She said that she believes he was murdered. His brother. His brother said there's no way he would kill himself.

[C]

I. Right. He didn't know that. I didn't know that. Ghislaine, obviously, Ghislaine had a very close relationship. I didn't know that Ghislaine said that.

[A]

She said, I do not believe he died by suicide.

[B]

His brother said there's no way he would kill himself.

[C]

And I could listen, and I realized that loss in a family is, like, tough, but, like, I could see a brother saying, there's no way my family member committed suicide, but he. Maxwell. I didn't know that Ghislaine Maxwell said that. All right, you're. You're. You're. You're. You. You piqued my interest.

[B]

Okay. He said it for reasons that a psychotherapist would say it, though, not that a family member would say. He said that he was too much of an egomaniac to do something like that, which I think plays into PFT Sense. I mean, this is a guy who got a federal indictment basically wiped off And I think 1991 by. Yeah, by. What's his name in Florida. The Florida Ag.

[C]

No, I know, I know.

[B]

He walks. He walks free and then goes right back to business and actually goes even harder than he was before. Turns the island. Turns the island into Club Med.

[C]

I did not know that. That Ghislaine Maxwell said that. I, I.

[B]

All right. I don't think that's like that. That's like the big smoking gun, though. I'm just.

[A]

I love. I love this. I love that Dante's made a point that might be convincing, Jerry. And now Dante's like, I don't want to talk.

[D]

That's not even all I got.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's not even.

[C]

Here's the thing. So you're saying someone came into that cell and strangled that man?

[B]

Absolutely. And the. The independent autopsy confirms it. The the third party auto autopsy. What do they call it? What do they call the doctor?

[C]

Independent, corner dependent.

[B]

I don't know why I couldn't think of that word. Said that it showed all the signs of strangulation. I mean, there are bones in his neck broken. The bruise marks were from hands, not from a paper sheet. And. Yeah, and then you go into the whole. Okay, cameras mysteriously go down, we're told. And then fast forward five years. Oh, no, the cameras weren't down. We actually have the footage. We're going to put it out. Cash Patel puts it out. Oh, there's an hour missing. Okay, so what, that doesn't raise any red flags then?

[C]

I'm not going to name names. Do you think that certain people, pretty high up, know whether he was murdered or committed suicide and are not saying it?

[B]

Oh, I think that there's. There's no doubt about it. And.

[C]

And let's not get canceled before we.

[B]

Jerry and I. Jerry, I'm at the point now where I am not even positive he's dead.

[A]

Let's go. All right. Let's go.

[D]

You've been seeing the guy walking around?

[B]

No, I. I don't think. I don't think he's. I don't think he's dumb enough to be. I don't think he's like Woody Bulger hanging out in Florida.

[A]

But look at Jerry, right? I think Jerry's nervous.

[B]

I think there's nervous, very.

[A]

That you're getting too close to the truth.

[B]

I think there's very.

[A]

Jerry went to a ditty party. He's connected with some of these same guys. And I think that you've hit something here. Dante and Jerry's like, we can't do this anymore.

[B]

No, I think that they. There's a possibility that. That they snuck him out and that that body wasn't even his.

[C]

That.

[D]

Well, they had a plan, remember? They had a plan to sneak out a fake body.

[A]

There was a plan. This is real.

[D]

To get the Media, Jerry, this 100%. They. They've confirmed this. This is in the papers.

[C]

They.

[D]

They had a plan to sneak out a fake body to lure the media so that they could get his real body out.

[C]

Guys, this is the problem with, like, where you guys are. Where you guys are.

[D]

He thinks we're joking. Tell him, Eric.

[C]

Tell him. You can't just stop at. Maybe he was murdered, which is, like, really far fetched. You can't just stop there. You have to take it to. He wasn't murdered at all. He smuggled his body out of the building. You guys.

[A]

Jerry, I got to tell you this. I got to tell you this, and I know what you're saying. Things. Things tend to snowball here, but this is serious, Jerry. There was a plan in place to wheel a fake body out of the jail to divert attention from the media. There was a memo that you can look up online between a jail supervisor at the MCC and the FBI. So it's in the files, and they had a plan to deal with a large media presence that might show up.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Once Epstein's death became public and the idea was to wheel a fake body out of there. That is an actual thing that's in the files. Okay.

[C]

Yeah. I wanted to. I want to let you know, we all saw that magic movie. What is it now you see me, now you don't or whatever it is. Like, look over here. Look over here. Yeah, I mean, I can understand not wanting to. Like, just by the way I was about to say, God rest his soul, but, I mean, it's Epstein. Who gives a. You know, like, the body's cup. It's a body bag. Like, you could put potatoes in a body bag. Like, who cares? But it. It wasn't to wheel out his living body, to smuggle it out so he can wake up in. Don't make me say it. Somewhere in the Middle east, you know, like, you're. You're going too far.

[D]

No, this show's gonna be incredible.

[B]

Listen, I think at the end of the day, we're talking about a guy who was on such a high level, we don't even. We can't even. We don't even know. Like, we're so in the dark about what level this guy was on and operated and the people that he knew and was connected to that we can't even fathom. Like, I'm trying to equate it to something, like, you would say. Like, it's. It's beyond, like, you yelling at your daughters and your daughters being like, fuck off. I'm. I'm gonna go talk to mom, and mom won't care about it. It's like getting in trouble at school, getting sent to the principal's office and, you know, knowing, like, your mom's banging the superintendent. Just being like, yeah, I. Fuck. I don't care what the fucking principal says. The superintendent's gonna do whatever I tell him to cuz, you know, he wants to fuck my mom. It. It's on that level where I feel like the state of New York judicial system. Epstein was like, what the fuck am I doing here? When are you getting me out of here? This is a joke. You get me the fuck out of here. Get me the fuck out of here. The FBI meant nothing to him. I feel like the people that really pull the strings pulled the strings and he either got whacked or he's off living somewhere with some pretty good plastic surgery in a. In a witness protection program that, like, that's on steroids.

[C]

Were you saying my wife is the superintendent?

[B]

No, no, I pack that analogy. I'm trying to. I'm trying to. To make a metaphor. Shitty job.

[C]

Hey, but, Dante, I'm gonna blow your mind. And this is the honest to God's truth. You can look it up right now. Dante, are you ready to have your mind blown?

[B]

Always.

[C]

So my daughters told me this in a diner late night after a volleyball competition. And this is why I don't do these podcasts in my house. My wife is in the Epstein files. Four times.

[B]

Yeah, see, I can't tell if you're with me or not.

[C]

Somebody look it up. You have. You have. You have producers there.

[B]

All right, Now, I don't. Again, I don't want to offend you, but that doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me. Dude, he was a sketch, you know, he wanted to clone Britney Spears, right? Did you read that part? Did you read that? These are his words. His words. The guy was a eugenics like, freak.

[C]

Oh, yeah. What about the semen thing? Is that true?

[B]

Yes. Zorro Ranch was a laboratory. How about they were gonna, like, dig that up and excavate all that? The guy who bought it, right? There's been no talk about that in a month. That. Yeah, but that went. That went away very quickly.

[C]

I don't want to gross everybody out, but sometimes, you know, you release fluids from your body and you look at it, you know, like. I'm not gonna say you keep it, but you do, like, look at it, you know?

[A]

Okay, I found.

[C]

I have three hits of Rebecca Romaine in the.

[A]

I found one right here. Listed description. World renowned marketing entrepreneur Jean Luc Brunel opened My wife's.

[C]

My wife's former modeling agent. No.

[A]

Yeah. Having discovered faces such as Christy, turning to molded the careers of celebrities such as Sharon Stone, Rebecca Romaine, Estella Warren, Mila Jovich, Monica Bellucci and Jerry Hall. John Luke started the high profile MC2 model management to represent high fashion models in a boutique agency setting.

[B]

That is a murderer's row well of names. I'm not gonna lie.

[A]

He just killed himself. I don't think he killed anybody else.

[C]

Now he was. He was the agent who was affiliated with Epstein, obviously doing terrible things. We all agree they're all monsters, right? Everyone?

[A]

Yes, they are all monsters.

[C]

Monsters. Monsters.

[D]

I didn't say it.

[C]

Do you think the biggest one. But they were very. Yeah, you're right. They were very high connected. Okay, Dante, I'll give you this. In this round, there's a possibility he was murdered. I. I didn't realize that. That Galain piece of information, I will not give you. He's alive somewhere and his live body was. Was funneled out of that building.

[A]

Look at that, though.

[C]

Okay, let's go to the.

[D]

I think that's a win.

[A]

Okay, go to the actual T. I do want to give you two minutes to voice your opinions on Henry Lockwood and the interview with Kellen Moore, because I don't think that you were able to really get everything out that you wanted to in your seven minute interview that you did with TMZ about Hank farting last week. So if there's anything else that you need to add, I. I want to. I want to open the floor. This show is about the first amendment, so we want to let you speak your mind.

[C]

Okay, guys, it's grit week.

[A]

This is the part of the football

[D]

calendar where nobody's watching, but everything gets built.

[C]

Early mornings, pads back on, conditioning, film reps. Spring training in football is all about putting in the work when nobody's cheering yet. And honestly, that's the same mindset behind the Chevy Silverado. This is a truck that is the definition of grit. Long days, dirty work, and showing up

[A]

day after day, no matter the conditions.

[C]

Strong, dependable, and built for the grind. Because grit isn't about being flashy, and

[D]

it's about being ready when it's time to go.

[C]

Check out the current offers and build your [e-mail]. that's Silverado. All grit, no quit. And you can build your [e-mail] today. I mean, the guy definitely farted in the middle of an interview. I get it. He's on a road trip. Your digestive system is weird. When we went on our bachelor party, my digestive system was weird. But, you know, there's ways to not emit gases loudly. You know, you just like, sort of like, hold, like you let a little bit out. It's like a balloon. Like, you can make a balloon go like, you know, or you can like, make a balloon just go like. And. No, I think the guy just shows a lack of respect for head coaches in the NFL and how difficult that is. And people Giving their time to you guys. I. It was just. It was just a lack of respect, and he's not owning it. I mean, like, accountability for me is, like, the first thing, you know?

[A]

I mean, we always say that about you.

[C]

Yeah, just, like, make amends, move on. That's how you move on. This is America. Everyone's into second chances.

[A]

You didn't mention the fact that it was. It took place at the pelicans slash saints facility. They're right next to each other. You didn't bring that part up. You didn't bring up the size and shape of the chair that he was sitting in, which he has been extensively documented. And you didn't bring up the fact that he moved his legs. And it wasn't a fart. It was air that. That got pushed out when he moved his legs. It got pushed out because it kind of squeezed out of his anus. Yeah. Yeah. Through his. Through his butt. Yeah. There was air that was. It was.

[C]

All right.

[A]

So it was. It was repressurizing. So the intern. Inside his anus, there was air that was under pressure, and then the equilibrium error has a tendency to seek equilibrium if the outside air pressure is lower. It went through his. His sphincter, and it made a noise, but it was not a fart.

[C]

Right. So we'll call it a butt queef. You know what? I want to stop talking. This isn't about Hank Lockwood. This is about Dante. I want to get back to my man Dante.

[A]

Okay. I just wanted to make sure that you had enough time to.

[C]

No more Hank Lockwood.

[A]

Okay?

[C]

Celtics. Celtics are gone. No one cares. Next. Next topic.

[A]

Okay. Big topic that Dante sent over.

[B]

Hold on. I want to. I want to. I should have prefaced the Epstein thing with this. I just want. I want everybody to know, and I don't want this to get edited out. Just because I discuss these things does not mean that I believe them. I try to, like, explain this to people all the time. Just because I know about these theories does not mean that I believe them.

[D]

You're just asking questions.

[B]

Exactly. Okay. I am of the mindset that I think to just take something as fact at face value, because that's what it's always been. That's what we've always been told. I think that that is. That is a disservice.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for clearing that up, Dante. I just also. Since we're clearing things up, my wife. When my wife went to Epstein Island, I believe there's a. There's a name for it, like Saint

[B]

Little Saint James, Saint Hades.

[C]

But when my wife went there, my wife was modeling for Victoria's Secret supermodel. Look it up. And because of Epstein's relationship with that older dude, the older dude owned Victoria's Secret and therefore would rent out little Saint Hades for Victoria's Secret modeling shoots. So my wife was going there for modeling shoots, and that's why my wife is in the Epstein files, is because my wife was going there to work. No interaction with Mr. Epstein. None whatsoever. Didn't see any shenanigans. Do want to say early on when all this was coming out, when my wife did say, when we were watching a documentary, I met this guy and then found out one of her model friends was actually dating him. And in a text exchange, I saw, yeah, I went out with him. Can you believe that? And my wife met him at a dinner one night, and my wife told me about the interaction that they had. But I will. I will let my wife tell that on. On next week's macro dosing. Bring her on. See if she'll bring her. Her car down here. And do sit on the. Sit on the. On the zoom with you guys for 90 minutes.

[B]

Any of your wife's friends single? Not friends. Co workers.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Not friends.

[C]

Are you single these days?

[B]

Yeah. Why? Why do you think I'm asking?

[C]

Hey, Dante, you're a catch. I know, but listen, I'm out here in Calabasas. A lot of the ladies I know are like, you know, like moms who are newly single, so you got to deal with, like, step kids and everything. You. You okay with all that?

[B]

I'm great with kids. I love kids, actually.

[C]

Dante, I'm not kidding. You would be a great father. And I'm just saying that from the three days that I. That I spent with you, you'd be really. You'd be a good father.

[B]

I'm a great godfather to two. Two of my friends kids. And I'm a mentor for big brothers, big sisters.

[C]

Yeah, great. You know what? Why don't you start to save some of your Come in a laboratory in New Mexico, and then you can have all the kids you want. Oh,

[B]

true story.

[A]

All right, topic number two.

[C]

Cut that part out.

[A]

Topic number two. 23andMe bankruptcy data sale. And also, this is. This is my favorite part of the list of topics that Dante sent over the 23andMe bloodlines in the news comma alien bloodline sidebar. I'm more interested in the sidebar than I am in the rest of it, but let's Just start with the 23andMe CIA bloodlines in the news. Bankruptcy, data sale.

[C]

You know what? I don't know anything about this. Dante, please explain it to us.

[B]

Oh, this one. See, they're all so touchy that I. Again, I'm just stating. Not even facts. I'm just stating things that.

[D]

Things that you for sure believe.

[A]

Things that. Things that could be true.

[B]

Things that could be true. Thank you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I do not.

[D]

Could the official narrative be true?

[B]

I do not believe this necessarily. I've heard it, and I think it's worth considering. 23andMe ancestry.com as everyone knows, 10 years or so ago, did this big DNA test kit thing where you swab the inside of your mouth.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Send it back to find out where you are.

[C]

You, Dante, can find out which part of the motherland he's from, which to

[B]

me is kind of bonkers, how they did that, but whatever, they're scientists. I'm not. So they would send back these results.

[C]

And

[B]

again, I don't believe this, but there was a high return rate of Ashkenazi Jews.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

For a lot of people. A lot of people that had no clue. Fast forward a few years. 23andMe goes under, and in part of their bankruptcy filings, they decide that they're going to sell off all that data to liquidate assets. And they don't even tell their customers. They like floated it out in a press release or something and they said, basically, if you don't want your data sold or shared, you have to contact us. So and so, before so and so date, a lot of people didn't know that. So a lot of this DNA data got leaked. People against their consent. They don't know who it got leaked to or where it got leaked to. Fast forward again to this past week, and it's in the news that now that, you know, the government is on board with these extraterrestrials visiting Earth and saying that, you know, there's four species that have been documented here.

[C]

And I, I didn't see that story. Tell us what's. Tell us about that story, Dante.

[B]

So there's supposedly four species of alien life that has either visited Earth or has been living here amongst us for a long period of time.

[C]

How long is along? Are we talking, like the 90s? Were they here?

[B]

Like, some people are thinking they, some people are thinking they predate us, predate history. And that's, you know, like pyramids, Egyptians, like ancient, ancient civilizations. We're going, we're talking. So these, these peoples are the reptilians the Grays. Jerry. I'm not. Jerry, Jerry. I'm, I'm not reading this off like a Reddit forum. This is, this is in the news.

[C]

I, I didn't.

[B]

There's Congress, there's congressman. There's Congressman talking about Tim Burchett, real man.

[D]

I want him on this show bad.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Rogan beat us.

[B]

Like I. Dude, I'm not. I know I sound crazy. I'm not crazy.

[C]

Yeah. I gotta tell you, when I hear Reptilian people, it makes me think of another guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Who I'm not gonna mention.

[B]

And, but so here's the, here's the one that really sticks out. And this is, this was a new one to me. They're called the Nordics and I've heard of them and they're based. Yeah, they're, they're real people. But these version are basically 7 to 8 foot tall, like Swedes. Like pale blond hair, blue eyed, just jacked. Like Vikings.

[A]

They walk amongst us giants.

[B]

So this race, is it like, is

[C]

it like bound or like who.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

We talking here.

[B]

I don't know. But this is how it ties into this whole thing.

[D]

Holland.

[B]

So supposedly the CIA has been scouring through these DNA files. I have another, I have another thing that Big T is going to love this after about with the COVID jab. But they've been scouring through all these DNA files trying to find bloodlines because they believe that the Nordics have mixed with humans along the, along the way or over the years and they're trying to track down these people.

[C]

All right, well listen, I will say I never did the 23andMe thing because I thought it was a little weird. And to be honest, I didn't want to find out that my parents weren't my parents. That's really what I didn't want to find out. So I like my parents. I love my parents. They're still with us. Thank, thank goodness. So why didn't do this 23andMe? Because the scary thing was you find out your neighbor is your dad, you know, but who gives a Dante if I took it and they find out I'm a little Ashkenazi or I'm Italian, I'm Polish or Nordic and they sell it. I don't give a. Like I am who I am. Why is that a big deal?

[B]

Again, I don't, I don't care. I'm just, I'm just explaining.

[A]

I think it's reasonable to say that you don't, you don't want Your DNA to be sold to some company that has nothing to do with you that you didn't initially, like, go into business with or sign a contract with.

[D]

Totally agree with you. I would say that was a very foreseeable thing that could happen.

[C]

Yeah. If you're on the record, it's like giving your fingerprint or letting the TSA take your. Oh, by the way, I went to the TSA the other day. I was in the line, and someone said, I'm not doing the face scan. It was like, a whole thing, and they had to go off to the side. It was. It was pretty nutty. But it's like anything else. I mean, isn't it like, every time you let something scan your face, isn't that it? Like, you're in the system?

[A]

Yeah, I guess. With your DNA, the worry would be that a company that, you know, a company you have no idea even exists ends up buying your DNA, then they could use it for nefarious purposes and you would have no idea.

[C]

What nefarious purposes could they use to find out that I'm Polish and from northern Italy? What the. Do I care?

[A]

Well, they got your DNA, so they could. They could. A company could clone you without your knowing, or they could create, like, embryos. And they. They could. They could. Jerry, you've seen Jurassic Park. You're in.

[B]

I think there was also worries. I think there was also worries about, like, insurance companies obtaining it and seeing if you're, you know, predisposed to cancer or predisposed to certain diseases there. I mean, there's people that are legit crazy that have really strong feelings and strong about what can be done.

[C]

If you go get health insurance, don't you have to give blood and everything? I mean, like, they're gonna know, like, everything anyway. I mean, like, listen, if I owned an insurance company, wouldn't you be able to set rates based on, like, all the information that you have?

[B]

Like, I think. I think it's gonna get there eventually.

[A]

But they don't. They don't currently look like. Look at your DNA and say, oh, this person has a 60% chance of developing colon cancer, and then they reject you or your premiums higher like that. That stuff doesn't happen now. They don't look at your DNA to yet analyze, actually, Jerry, So this is. This is interesting. We had a partnership, I think it was, with 23andMe, like, back in 2016, 2017. I sent away my DNA and they wrote back to me, and they go, yeah, there's not enough DNA in the sample. That you sent. Can you send another? So I fill up the tube with my spit again, I send it away. Still nothing. They're like, can you send it one more time? We don't have. We can't find enough DNA. I did a third time, and then after the third time, they were like, yeah, it looks like you fall into the category of people who are non secretors. So. I don't secrete DNA through my bodily fluids.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

It's like in my skin and in my hair. You could, you can still get the DNA through there.

[B]

You could murder somebody.

[A]

But if you need a crime done.

[D]

Yes, I know. Fingerprints.

[A]

Yeah, fingerprints.

[B]

Just wear gloves.

[A]

If you need a, A crime done, I'm a, I'm a non secretor.

[B]

That's official. Awesome. I never knew that was a thing.

[A]

I think it's like 1% of the population might be non secretors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Pretty cool stuff.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

I'm a dry boy. I don't. No liquid coming out of any of these holes. Yeah.

[C]

We also call it shooting blanks.

[A]

Yeah, Massacre. All right, listen, I think, I think we can move on to another topic. There's more stuff that we can discuss here. I want to know about your theory that pandas aren't.

[C]

Listen, let me, let me just say,

[B]

okay,

[C]

I love you and, you know, I think you're the most interesting guy in the world, but it is my belief that there are not four species of aliens walking among us. And that's where the 23andMe thing is. I know you think the Nordic people are aliens and all that stuff. My wife is Dutch. My wife who went to Epstein island three or four times somewhere.

[A]

These are all connecting.

[C]

I go to Holland. They're all tall. They're like fucking giants. Like, are they aliens? Yeah, they're like tall people. Like, even, like the. I don't mean to assign gender everybody, but like, even, like the women in my wife's family, like, you go there, they're like, they're like, they're like massive. And like, my kids play volleyball. Like, you get, like, some people are tall, some people are short. Did they come from another planet? No. You know, I just don't believe in the alien thing. I apologize. Dante. There's not for. I, I, it is my belief.

[B]

You don't have to apologize to me. I'm not, I'm not trying to bash this into your head. I'm just stating. This is, this is a claim out there that I think is interesting. And we're talking about. PFT asked me to send over some good conspiracy theories that I thought were worth discussing. So I sent over a list. So that's. That's what we're talking about.

[C]

I'm allowed to say this because I'm married to one, but if you go to Holland or those. I don't even know if that's considered Nordic, but you know, that region, that. That. That region, they're all like, hello, yes, you come to my shop. Yes, big summer blowout. Yoohoo.

[B]

You don't think that's kind of weird?

[C]

Do they look weird when you see them? Yeah, they're like weird people. They're like. I love them. Very kind. You know, I'm all about the European Union. I love your I love descendant. Look at my 23andMe if I ever did it. But they're like. Yeah, they're. Yes, they're. They're weird. Judge people physically. They're. They're weird looking. Yeah. Are they aliens? No, they're just a different.

[B]

So why do you. So why do you think the CIA and the intelligence communities are trying to track down people that they've crossbred with humans that they've crossbred with?

[C]

I mean, like. I mean, first of all, I don't. That. That that term sounds a little. It might offend some people, but, you know, I. I cross bred with a Dutch lady. That's why my kids are like, Paul, you know, like.

[B]

No, I don't mean. I don't mean ethnicities. I mean alien race and human race.

[A]

But no, you were just saying that his wife might be an alien. I think a lot of this stuff is striking a little too close to home for Jerry. That much is clear. I think you're. You're. Hey, when you're getting flacked, that means you're over all the right targets. Not that.

[C]

You know what? Maybe later tonight I'll. I'll swab my wife and see if she's a secret and send it over to Dante. We could do a test.

[B]

Jerry. I'm not gonna lie. These are two that do. I had no idea that your wife was going to be in the Epstein files and that she was of Dutch.

[A]

All right, all right, next topic. Dante thinks that pandas aren't real, so you have the floor. Dante. Pandas are not real.

[B]

He does not think that pandas aren't real. But he is hip to the theory that a lot of people have brought up some pretty good lies. Yeah, it's gaining steam.

[A]

Okay, tell me about the pandas aren't real theory.

[B]

All right, so this Is a fairly new one.

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[B]

so I don't know it often.

[D]

I'd assume so, because I've seen.

[A]

Jerry, how many.

[C]

How many.

[A]

How many pandas do you have in your backyard right now? You got a whole family.

[C]

How many pandas in my backyard? But I saw the pandas. I think they were in San Diego. Ling Ling and Zing Zing or whatever. The ones that came over.

[B]

Yeah. Jerry, you know how much. You know how much we pay to rent those a year? China gets a million a panda a year.

[C]

Worldwide, I bet they sell a lot more tickets. It's worth it. It's like. It's a good investment.

[B]

But I went. They've. I think they've gifted out something like 70 something of them. And they gift them. But then they say, oh, yeah, you gotta. You gotta pay up.

[A]

Follow the money. It's like when somebody gives you a CD on the street, you gotta pay out. And then it's like, oh, thanks for your cd. And they're like, yeah, but now it's gonna cost you.

[C]

Dante, you work in nightlife. We went to go see that famous DJ who just pushed a button on his. On his I. On his ipod. And then, like, he was playing all those things. What was his name again?

[B]

Tiesto. Like, probably the most famous one of all time.

[C]

Yeah. Not playing anything there. Sorry. Just saying that knob he was touching was not doing anything. That's the. That's my conspiracy theory. I dare you to debunk it. But he is a performer that people pay money to come and see you. And I. Well, you got me in for free. But people pay money to go see him. Ling Ling and Zing Zing. Whatever the pandas are. People pay money to go. I know.

[B]

I get it. I'm just saying it's not this. This act of goodwill that the CCP likes to make it look like there's a price tag that comes with it. I'm just saying they're not free bears. Yes, they're not.

[A]

It's like the cherry blossoms.

[B]

And some people don't even think they're Bears.

[A]

Go on.

[B]

So do you know that before the early 1900s or late 1800s, there's no recorded history of pandas existing in Chinese literature, art, or culture? The. The oldest civilization that has documented history. There's no documented history of pandas. Don't you think that there's dragons? There's every other kind of animal you can think of in all their artwork and all their architecture and everything? There's no pandas. Kind of weird.

[C]

Yeah, I guess so. I don't know. Maybe they were, like, hidden. I mean, there's no record of, like, you know, fish at the bottom of the ocean or crustaceans that are hidden. Bottom of the ocean. Like, we're finding new species all the time.

[A]

I.

[C]

Maybe they were camouflaged in the snow in the rock and they couldn't see them. I just.

[B]

Here, I'm gonna. I'm gonna read you. I'm gonna read you. I'm gonna read you what I got.

[C]

First Western pandas. I've seen them with. With. With my eyes. I've seen them.

[B]

Listen, I know that they're. They're alive, but there's a lot of new species of animals that have developed over the years. So the first Western awareness. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[D]

So the pandas are real, but then they're not?

[B]

So listen, just. Just hear me out on this. First documented Western awareness. March 11, 1869. French missionary Armand David, who I don't know, was shown a black and white pelt in Sichuan skin, not a live animal. First Westerner to see a living panda. German zoologist Hugo Weigold purchased a cub in 1916, 47 years between discovery and any Western actually laying eyes on one alive. First live.

[C]

First.

[B]

First live giant panda brought to the Western world was a cub named Su Lin, acquired by an American fashion designer. Ruth Harkness, who bought Su Lin, brought her to the United States in 1936. In 1929, Chicago's Field Museum got two mounted pandas stuffed on display courtesy of the Roosevelt brothers, Theodore Jr. And Kermit, who shot them on a hunting expedition in China.

[C]

Hate that. Now there's no need to kill them now. Here.

[B]

Here's where it gets. Here's where it gets. That's kind of interesting. National Geographic itself admits ancient Chinese texts rarely mention the native animals. Read that again. The most charismatic mammal on Earth, supposedly endemic to one of the oldest continuously documented civilizations in human history, barely appears in their literature. This is what I already said. Compare that to tigers, dragons, cranes, monkeys, even pangolins, which I don't even know what that is all over Chinese art and writing for millennia. Pandas, completely silent till the 19th century. The color patterns look designed, not evolved. The eye patches are too perfect. Make them look bigger than they are, which is a known cartooning trick.

[A]

Known cartooning trick.

[B]

They're classified as carnivores, but they eat bamboo, which their digestive system can barely process. They have to eat 30 to 84 pounds of it a day to be full. They have a thumb. That isn't a thumb.

[A]

It's not a thumb.

[B]

It's a modified wrist bone.

[A]

Also a known cartooning trick.

[B]

They famously cannot or will not reproduce in captivity. They have to be artificially inseminated. All right.

[A]

Non secretors.

[C]

Yes, that part. Could you imagine being in a cage and someone saying, perform, go. And people are watching you.

[B]

When the cub. When the cubs are born, they're radically underdeveloped.

[C]

Like. Like a Lights out guy porn playing candles. Like, shut. Don't look at me. Don't look at me.

[B]

So here's the theory. The theory is that they're a manufactured species, a creature with no real ancient cultural footprint, paraded into Western consciousness by a fashion designer that conveniently became one of China's most lucrative soft power assets.

[C]

So what are you saying? That they were. That that they're painted? That they're genetic? What are you saying, Dante?

[B]

I'm saying. I'm saying that. I'm not saying that I believe this. I'm saying that people think.

[C]

Yeah, other people.

[B]

That they were. That they were bred like dog. Like, dogs are bred. There's dog breeds now that make no sense. I. I know people that own huskies made. Bred with Pomeranians.

[C]

You ever seen a husky? Husky palm. They are super cute.

[B]

So cute.

[A]

Now, there is a zoo in China that has painted dogs to make them look like pandas, but they get caught pretty quickly. Those are. Those are the funniest looking pandas that you've ever seen.

[C]

Now, that is funny. I think. I just think genetics just sort of are maybe always evolving. And I think. I think pandas are. Pandas are real. Can't believe I just said that. I think pandas are real. Everybody. I mean, maybe it might be a genetic. Like it may be a new creature, but I don't think. I don't think anyone bred them for that. I think they just. I think a. I think. Oh, gosh, I hope this isn't offensive. I think a. A bear with sort of darker colorings and a bear with lighter colorings made. A bear with darker and lighter colorings.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where does this Tie in to you now.

[C]

I mean, I'll tell you where it ties into this Dante is that a lot of these conspiracies. Okay. And this is where it gets a little weird. Have to do with reading. Okay. And that is some science fiction stuff. I think it's an obsession with sexuality and like being. We're talking a lot about insemination and secretion and giving someone a baby and aliens are probing and getting inside of us and making new species and. Yeah, I think a lot of this has to do with the lore of being inseminated and you're pregnant with a different kind of being. So that's where it gets a little like. It's like. It's pretty sexual. All this stuff. It all comes back to sexual. Which is why I think we like, I. We're. I think a lot of these conspiracies get off track. A lot of it is. I mean, look, we all want to be probed or probe somebody. That's like a human desire, you know? But like, I think it gets a little weird and I think people go on the Internet when it's a little like, yeah, it's these aliens called the Nordics and that's how we got wimby. And it's like it just gets a little like. I think it's like a little.

[B]

That would make sense, honestly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He is a friend.

[A]

They call. They call him the alien. It's like sometimes they. They're obsessed with giving away their own symbology. You know, they want. They like to leave these little breadcrumbs out there.

[B]

Great point to get away with it

[A]

because it makes them feel. It makes them feel good when tricky to your face.

[B]

Here's my million dollar question for you, Jerry.

[A]

Million dollars.

[B]

And I would say I was saving this dollars since we already touched on the alien.

[A]

Known cartooning trick is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

[C]

By the way.

[A]

That is. That is a great explanation for why pandas are real.

[B]

Again, not mine. I don't want credit.

[A]

Million dollar question.

[B]

Do you just like your spidey sense tingle or any red flags go up when you consider. And now this is fact. Up until the last couple of years, the science community, the intelligence community, world governments were hard out on alien life, extraterrestrials, UFOs. To the point where anybody who came forward saying that they witnessed or saw anything, they destroyed. They didn't just brush off or brush under the rug. They destroyed these people. They destroyed their credibility. They called them kook. They committed them to Institutions. For decades, this went on. Remember the National Enquirer growing up in, you know, supermarket checkouts? I mean, every. Every week it was like lunatic, you know, farmer in Iowa, like, yeah. And like to your point, like anal probes and, you know, they were abducted and sexual experiments performed on them. And then they were dropped back off. Now all of a sudden, the government's like, yeah, you guys are right. They're out there. We're going to start disclosing all this information.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It doesn't really make sense. So where does your head?

[C]

Okay, I'm going to tell you.

[B]

I want to hear.

[C]

First of all, I went fishing in the 1990s, late 1990s, with two of my friends off of Montauk Point, Long Island. It's sort of the easternmost point of Long Island. We were in a little like a 17 footer, and it was a little scary taking a 17 footer. You had to wait till it was calm because it's a smaller boat, you know. And we're out in what they call the rip, which is where the Long Island Sound meets the Atlantic Ocean. And there's a lot of where they

[B]

call end of the world.

[C]

Yeah, that's what they call it. That's the. That's the nickname for it.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Gorgeous. Gorgeous town, gorgeous place. So you fish the rip, which is the Atlantic Ocean meets the sound, and the bigger fish from the ocean eat the smaller fish from the sound. So it's sort of a. It's sort of a feeding place. Can you guys still hear me?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah. So it's. It's sort of a feeding place. We're fishing there at night. We had to wait till it was calm. We saw a craft above us with weird lights going like this. We saw it with two other guys. I could get them on here. Okay. We were seeing it. We were like, what the hell is that? We were pointing at my friends saying, he's a virgin. Take him, he's a virgin. We had some funny jokes. You know, we were drunk. You shouldn't vote and drink, but we were drinking that night. And

[A]

why did you try to get the aliens to take your virgin friend? Like, as a guy that had had sex before, it shouldn't be like, take me, I've known the pleasures of a woman. My young friend has not yet become a man yet. Let him try.

[C]

I know. Well, it was just a joke. Like, like, we're gonna sacrifice the virgin or whatever.

[A]

Okay. They want somebody pure. Got it right.

[C]

Want to probe someone who's pure, gets back to sexuality. I Told you. But the thing then zipped off, and it was surreal. And we were like, we just saw an alien. We just saw an alien. That's where it ended. We didn't go to the press. We didn't, like, say anything. I mean, I'm saying it now publicly, but you're probing that I talk about this. I don't believe that was an alien. I think it was. There is an Air force base out there. I think it was some sort of. And I look at all the footage of all those things that. Airplanes, clock and everything. There's specs. There's no real clear footage. We don't have any clear evidence. Again, this is where it gets like, oh, it's secret. It's redacted. There's grainy footage. Show me clear footage, Dante, and I'll agree with you. But there's no clear footage. So I'm gonna have to side with no aliens yet. Yet, Jerry.

[B]

I agree with you. I agree with you. Now, the fact that the government is forthcoming with this makes me think the other way. I distrust the government so much, and

[C]

I don't want to be called a cuck F word. I think that's this current administration who's sort of into the salacious, sort of like, let's give him a little something. I mean, the JFK files never got released, right? So we don't know what happened there.

[B]

Amen.

[C]

I mean, they always talk about. I think they did release all the Epstein files. I know you say a lot was redacted, but, like, I don't think there's anything else there.

[B]

There's still 3 million. There's still 3 million files.

[A]

There's a lot they haven't put out.

[B]

Yeah, three million.

[C]

But I, I think they just, I think they use the sort of alien file stuff as sort of like, we're in this other situation. Let's detract it. Can we? And it's. I think this current administration is into being in the headlines, and UFOs are in the headlines. I don't believe there's any alien life. I, I, like, like, let's go, like, show yourself. If not now, when? Like, this is it. So I, I just, I, I, I, I just don't think there's a conspiracy to, to withhold.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Alien information.

[A]

I do think it's interesting, as Dante mentioned, that it used to be you were called crazy, but now it's like, we have people that are in the government giving interviews, talking to people that do podcasts, and, like, putting more of that information out there than the guy from Blink182. Tom DeLonge has. Has been working with the government to like, declassify things. Jerry, my personal theory on this is

[B]

that broke up one of the best bands of our generation because he was called insane.

[D]

People call you crazy now if you say there's no aliens, that's true.

[A]

Yeah. Well then.

[C]

Then call me crazy.

[D]

No, I'm with you, Jerry. I haven't seen it yet.

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[D]

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[D]

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[A]

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[B]

Yeah, I think I have one of those on right now. Do you? Yeah.

[A]

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[D]

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[A]

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[A]

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[D]

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[C]

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[B]

No, I, again, I am far from a physicist, an expert, again. I've just read these things and they're worth scratching your head and talking about, I feel like, because some of the points that are made do kinda, you know, make you, make you ask questions. There's a guy named Akio Nakatani who wrote a piece called Death Object which argues that nuclear weapons don't exist. He pointed out that here, or his claim is that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually conventional firebombings dressed up firebombings on steroids, and that every test since then has been faked and exaggerated to keep the Cold War terror balance going. Film studios, elaborate set designs, a lot of miniature sets filmed to look like life size mushroom bombs. Again, Jerry, I'm not saying, I'm not saying I buy this.

[C]

I got to apologize to the people of Nagasaki and Hiroshima for hearing this. Because it happened. It was, it was real. I'm a huge Dan Carlin fan. For those who don't know, Dan Carlin is a historian who comes out with podcasts on, like, like the Ottoman Empire on World War I. And he does these long. He takes years to do them. He doesn't sell them on itunes or anything. You got to buy them from his website. It's really weird. You got to download them. But Dan Carlin. Dan Carlin. Dan Carlin. He, he suggested a book On World War II, something about the history of nuclear armament. And, and I forget what the book was. I didn't really read the text of what we were going to be talking about. I apologize. But the nuclear arms race is for real. Those tests were for real. That test that happened underwater in the Pacific Islands was for real. There's still coral damage and damage from that.

[B]

I'll tell you what else is also real though. Look out Mountain Studios. It's an Air Force filming unit that has admitted that they retouched photos.

[C]

Well, we all recouch photos, Dante. The photos I posted of you and I, I did a little like face tuning on stuff you gotta like. I mean it is also propaganda where you're showing the other team like, fair, fair. Hey man, we, we got some pretty sick bombs. Look at this mushroom cloud. Like you just touch up a mushroom cloud a little bit like. But I mean it's pretty documented, you know that like nuclear fission, atomic fission was used as a weapon and it was mass destruction. And Nagasaki and Hiroshima happened and it was to sort of send a message to the rest of the world like, we're not afraid to use this, this weapon. We'll use it. It was also a testing dev. It was also, you know, an excuse to test it. Like, I don't condone the use of nuclear weapons, but I mean, glad we

[B]

have that on the record.

[C]

You know, I think, I think that, I think I'm a firm believer that this entire situation that's happening in Iran is all about getting that dust out of no dust, no bucks is all about getting that dust out of Iran. It. I, I think it's a real thing and I think it's really scary. That and that book that they made that shitty movie about was really good about the, the nukes that, that come over. I, I forget what it was called. It was another Dan, Dan Carlin's suggestion.

[A]

I, I do believe that there were obviously like, there have been lots and lots of atomic web. I just think that the numbers are a little bit overstated. I also, if you look into like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I didn't realize this until a few years ago that Nagasaki was not the original target for target number two. It was supposed to be Kokura, Japan, which was a, a bigger military destination. And flying over, they flew over it three times to try to drop the bomb, but the cloud cover saved them. And Harry Truman had specifically told the pilots, don't drop the bomb unless you can visually see the target and where you're bombing. We're not going to use the radar. We're not going to do if the clouds are up there. So they aborted that raid. And then they went to the secondary target that day, which was Nagasaki, flew over that one time there was a cloud cover and they were about to turn back and go home. And then one of the guys Inside said, look, I see an opening in the cloud cover. Let's go over there, drop the bomb. Other people that were there that day said that there was not an opening in the cloud cover, but the plane just wanted to make sure that they dropped the bomb on the mission. So they flew over Nagasaki a second time, dropped the bomb, like, three miles off target, and then flew home. But, yeah, Kokura, Japan, was supposed to be wiped off the face of the earth that morning. And because of a few clouds, it wasn't pretty crazy.

[B]

So proponents of this theory point out, and they also point to Chernobyl, saying that the flora and the wildlife is. I don't know if I would use the word thriving, but the way that it's bounced back does not make sense or concur with what would happen with radiation at the levels that they claim.

[C]

Remember in Fantasia, the thing with the wildfire comes around, and then everything grows again. I mean, I could see that happening. Remember that Fantasia? Yeah, Storyline.

[A]

Like, nature's healing. Like people aren't there to. To polluthier. So I've heard. I've heard about the wolves. I've heard about the Chernobyl wolves that roll around.

[B]

There's a pretty good theory. I don't know it well enough to bring up on here, but about Fantasia, we'll have to talk about it next time I see you.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's some deep. Jerry. I don't know that you're ready to get into.

[B]

I'll learn up on that, Jerry.

[C]

You know what?

[B]

I'll tell you, though.

[C]

Just give it to me. I want to hear what's wrong.

[B]

I don't. I don't. Honestly, I don't know. Well, I don't know well enough to bring it up. I don't want to sound like an idiot, but dumber than I already have.

[C]

It's a cartoon. It's.

[B]

Where this.

[C]

It's a.

[B]

But there's a lot of. There's a lot of symbology, a lot of it. But, hey, where this theory falls apart from me.

[C]

The classic animation trick. Wait, what was the saying?

[A]

A known cartoon trick.

[B]

Yes. Where this. Where this. Where the nuke. Where the nukes don't exist. Theory contradicts itself. Doesn't fall apart. Contradicts itself for me is.

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[B]

All the claims from ex military,

[C]

I

[B]

guess, officials that claim aliens have locked down nuclear warheads and silos anytime. There's been, like, heightened tensions around the globe. This has happened not just in America, but in other countries as well. So supposedly, the aliens are looking out for humankind. They don't want us to wipe ourselves off the earth.

[C]

Well, if. If they did exist, that would be cool. Them. I do want to say, if you get any information, Dante, from someone who is ex military or ex CIA, I have a real problem with that information because, look, not to generalize the stereotype, but, Dante, if you're a part of a crew, if you're a part of a familia, okay, like the CIA or like the military, and you're part of a family, when you're. Let's say you retire and you're done with that family, you don't talk about the. The family. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

America. I got it.

[C]

Yeah. You know exactly what I'm talking about. So these guys who are former military who come out and are now willing to tell the truth, I immediately debunk it and distrust it, because, look, I'm going to put myself in their shoes. I've. From Hollywood. I've been in Hollywood since the 90s, since the 80s when I was in Standby Me. When I was the husky kid in Stand By Me.

[A]

I.

[C]

I've, like, dated people. I've had relationships. I've had some. I've had some crazy times. Crazy. Okay? I'm not joking. They're gonna die with me. I might whisper them to you, Dante, and say, please don't repeat this. And if you repeat it, I'll just deny it. But I would never publicly come out and say anything because part of the family. You understand, Dante?

[B]

Yeah. You have integrity.

[C]

So when these ex military guys come out and say, well, now I can talk about the aliens and stuff, I don't buy it. I don't buy it at all.

[B]

Great point.

[A]

All right. That's a fair point, Dante. One more thing. John Pelletier, the Maui police chief who is Also the police chief of Las Vegas during the Las Vegas shooting at the Route 91 concert.

[D]

Wait, what? I didn't even know that part.

[A]

And he's now named in a. A Diddy lawsuit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, so I did. I did a little bit of background research on this. The police chief of Las Vegas during that incident, a guy named John Pelletier. And he also. He moved to Maui to become the police chief there ahead of the. He moved there before the giant fires.

[C]

So far, nothing wrong with this. Cops change towns all the time.

[A]

That's. Okay. So that's. That's the background that I have on it. I believe this. We might get into some directed energy weapon theories based on some of the literature I'd started to read. But I wanted to have Dante explain that because I. I just dabbled in it earlier this morning on my walk to work. Not to brag. I walked to work this morning.

[B]

This is just one of those ones that makes you scratch your head because of the coincidence. And yeah, I get what you said. Police chiefs change locations and jobs. But yeah, he was the Metro police captain and incident Commander at Route 91 Harvest Festival shooting, October 1, 2017.

[C]

Terrible, terrible situation.

[B]

Absolutely terrible. Very, very shady. That was 2017. Four years later, he became Maui police chief. December 2021. After 2020, after 22 years at Las Vegas PD the Lahaina fires hit August 2023. So a couple years later, same guy, two of the most controversial mass casualty events in recent history. Then, on top of those, he was added as a co defendant to Diddy's sexual assault lawsuit in March 2025 with allegations that he was involved in covering up a 2018 incident while still a Las Vegas captain. The accuser claims he posed as security for Diddy's detail.

[A]

Now, it's important to also note with that the same lawsuit that mentioned Drew Ski before Drew Ski was famous. And Odell Beckham, which they both denied. And also a judge has dismissed that it was a civil lawsuit that was filed. Which was since dismissed.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Just want to. I wanted to. We're not trying to get sued.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

We want to add that important context.

[B]

So, yeah, same guy. Two very inopportune places. And the theory says that it wasn't a coincidence.

[C]

Guys, guys, this is where this show gets a little, like, off the rails for me. It was a devastating fire. It happens. There are fires in that area. You can't blame one person because they were affiliated with another monster. We can all agree that Diddy is a monster. Let's hear overwhelming oh, absolutely.

[A]

Monster. Allegedly affiliated monster. Of course.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Monster.

[C]

Monster. Thank you.

[A]

Might not actually be affiliated.

[D]

Notice Aryan didn't say anything.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Not. Not allegedly. Whatever. I. I think I'm. I'm. I'm defending this cop. I don't think, like, you know, I live here in la. I have heard all the crazy theories about the wildfires that happened just a couple of miles that way. We had a big fire here a few years ago, I think eight years ago. It was a big fire. It was a truck that hit pole, that hit the power pole that started it. You know, I think when something devastating happens, you look for these conspiracies and everything. And I gotta say, it's just. You know. You know what? I'll. I got a conspiracy for you. It's climate change. It's hotter now, things are drier now. Things burn more. You know, I. I don't think we can blame one person who's in a position of authority for a devastating wildfire or a directional microwave weapon.

[A]

It's a direct energy weapon, Jerry. You're being intentionally. You're intentionally mischaracterizing that. And you know. You know. You know that direct energy weapons exist. I'm not saying that it started the fire, Jerry. I think Jerry's too close to all this. That's what I think.

[C]

No, I'm not. I'm not close at all. That's what's so beautiful about this. I'm not close at all. I'm as far away as possible. That's what's so great. Getting back to the beginning of our episode, Occam's Razor. It was a fire. Devastating. We're so sorry for all the loss, all of it. It's not. It's not one person firing a. A microwave gun. Come on, everybody.

[A]

All right?

[B]

It wasn't a person. It was a satellite.

[A]

Is a satellite, Cherry.

[C]

It was not a satellite. It was not a satellite. It was not. Think about it, guys. Think about it. Dante. It was not a satellite. You know, I'm gonna tell you something about satellites and phasers, okay? And I'll. And I'll give you a conspiracy thing. I moved to Los Angeles decades ago. Okay, I'm not going to say anything because I don't want us to get sued. I stayed away from a certain church, a group of people, the whole time. There were some people, very attractive people, always at parties or bars, would be like, hey, come on over here. It's really good. It'll help you organize your thoughts. It'll help. Do you feel insecure? About stuff. Do you feel like you've worked more like, come over. This will clear everything up. Of course I feel insecure. We all feel insecure.

[B]

Travolta's crew.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. Don't say any names. Don't say any names. I don't want to. I don't want to get in trouble. I don't want anyone with cameras on their foreheads coming up to my door. Like, I don't want that. Okay, that was something Dante said. That's not. To the jury right now. That was something Dante said. I didn't say that.

[A]

Okay?

[C]

I stayed away from this crew forever and ever. Okay.

[B]

How long were you trying to be recruited?

[C]

I'll tell you how it happens. You're out at a bar. I am heterosexual. Ish. And a young lady would come up to me, hot and start talking, drinking, partying, young friends. Hey, we're going to an after party. Let's go. Come on, girls. Go to an after party. Going to a house. And you'll see some sort of signage or something for where you're going. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And literally, they're like, at the gate. Like, it's okay. Come on. It's. It's fine. It's not a big deal. What are you doing? Come back. And it's like, whoa, whoa. No, no, no. I'm not going in there. I'm not going in there. I can't afford this place, okay? They take a percentage. And I got an agent. I got a manager. I got a lawyer. Forget about it. Not to mention taxes. Years. I. I stay away from this crew. I. I stay away from it. I used to smoke cigarettes, okay? I love cigarettes. Terrible habit. Kids even vaping, like, careful of that nicotine. It just catches you. Is everybody still with me?

[A]

We got you. We got you. Loud and clear.

[C]

So work. They made it very hard to smoke. They had what's called a butt can. So when smoking became really bad, they would put a butt can, like, a hundred yards away from. And you'd have to sit there and just, like, you'd have to run over when I got a break. And just, like, chain, like, two ciggies, like, and it's like. And it's. And it's degrading. And everybody's watching you and waiting and, like, just sucking on that cigarette, you know, like, just getting it in and you just. It's just. It's degrading. You're just sucking. Sucking it down.

[B]

For a bucket.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

Over a bucket.

[C]

Over a sand bucket. Because that's where you put your buttos. I'm standing there one day, and I'm just like, I gotta break. And I run over, and I'm like, you know. And guy, muscular guy, young guy, comes over. He's standing there, and he's, like, watching me, like, suck. Suck on my siggy. And I go, hey, man, you want a siggy? Like, and you want someone else to smoke with you? You know, you don't want to be the only. Only degenerate at work. And he goes, nah, man, I don't smoke anymore. I quit. I went, holy. No. How'd you do it? How'd you do it, man? And he was like, got the lasers. And I was like, what lasers? Like, you know, you hear lasers. Satellite lasers. You get, like, excited. Like, I want to be like, yeah, that sounds like something that's interesting. Let me read the rest of this theory. Lasers. And he said, yeah, over in Santa Monica. Here. Here's. Here's the card. Go do it. It's great. It's like laser treatment. And you. I haven't wanted a cigarette. I'm like, I haven't wanted a cigarette since I call the place. I'm desperate to quit smoking. I'm desperate to stop standing over a butt can. Like, oh, give me a cigarette, Daddy, please. I go there. They give me a book, a binder like this thick, asking all kinds of questions. Sexual preference, desires.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

Most embarrassing moments. And I, like, kind of fill it out, but, like, you know, I withhold some information. Some things I want to keep inside, you know, and. And repress them. I give, like, sort of as much as I can, and I hand the book over, and out of the back comes the hottest woman in a lab coat. Absolute smoke show. 11, 12, 13. She goes, okay, come back. Come back to the examination room, please. Jerry. Jerry o'. Connell. I go back and I get in the room and I go. I sit down in the chair and I go, honey. She's like, got a clipboard and a lab coat. And she's like, okay, thank you. So the smoking cessation lasers treatment will start soon. And I was like, well, honey, you're not a laser. You're not a scientist. Who are you? First of all, I'm getting your number when this is done. But what is this place? Who are you? This is not real. You're not real. You're not. You're not a laser. Like, I thought a guy. I hate to generalize and stereotype and assign gender, but I thought, like, Albert Einstein was going to come out of the back, you know. And you. You guys are still with me, right?

[B]

Yes, yes. I had to my seat loud and clear.

[C]

And so I was like, what is this place? Who are you? She looked like. She looked like a playmate. She was beautiful. Don't judge people physically. Beautiful, Dante. Beautiful. And I was like, who. What is this place? Who are you? And then it. It hit me, and I was like, oh, my God, they must have leaped through my book, said, this is what he's gonna react to. And I was like, you're a part of this large church, aren't you? And she was like, what? And I was like, un fucking real. I've lived in this town for 15 years, and you never got me until right now. Tell me you're a part of that church. And she said, we are affiliated with that church. And I went real. You got me. You got me in here. And you know what? They preyed on my weakness, on my smoking, on my sucking on cigarettes at that butto. Sucking on them. And they got a guy who hook, line, and sinker. We have a sequel. We have a magic cure. And it's with lasers, by the way. She went in the back, she came out with a toy gun. Was like a battery operated toy from, like, Chinatown, like. And I literally walked outside and just ripped the dome just right out there. And. But it does get back to all this. I think a lot of these conspiracies touch on things that we are very insecure about, things that we are very doubtful, very fearful of. Nuclear war. Okay. Pandas aren't scary, but I guess wild animals are scary. I.

[A]

China. China's scary. That's. That's. That's the fear in that one.

[C]

Yeah, but I'm saying I think a lot of these conspiracies come from things that we are completely insecure about, touching on those insecurities. So that's just my. That's just my point about.

[B]

That's a great point.

[D]

Can I just say?

[B]

A great point.

[D]

We should have led with that whole deal. Secondly, Jerry, I'm curious, though I fall somewhere between you and Dante. It seems on. On most of this, does that experience that you just named and other experiences you've had in Hollywood not lead you to be a bit more skeptical of things?

[C]

I'm just not skeptical because maybe I inherently trust society and life and just think that people don't wake up in the morning and think, how can I lie today? You know, I just don't think I understand being distrustful of things and people. And look, life Is hell. I mean, it's just a fucking shit show. It's a nightmare. But I just. I don't think the world is as distrustful as some people make it out to be.

[B]

Is it hard living in Hollywood with that mindset? I feel like you have to be in the minority. Unless I'm completely wrong.

[C]

No, I think it's a pretty sane place. I think. I think California is a pretty progressive state. So I think that with. I. I just. I don't think, you know, there's a mayoral race happening here in Los Angeles right now. Okay. And it really is. It's dividing this city. Okay. And it sort of gets back to one of the earlier conspiracies that we were talking about. You know, people are very angry about that, and they have a right to be about that fire that happened and why reservoirs weren't filled and why. And these are friends of mine who I know that typically don't get upset about these things, you know, So I think when big, devastating things happen, I think it, It. It opens the door for larger conspiracies, which I don't. I personally don't believe are the case. But I understand how people can, Can. Can adhere to them. Thank God I don't live in LA County. I live here in Calabasas, where all the Kardashians live. So I don't have to vote for either Mayor Bass or Spencer Pratt. But it is. It is dividing the city. And by the way, it is rooted in conspiracy and, like, where money is going and why wasn't there water? I mean, the conspiracies run deep. Deep. People saying that the fire. People wanted the fire to happen. It's. I don't believe that's the case. I don't believe anybody wanted that fire to happen. That's. That's. That's my belief.

[A]

Well, a lot.

[C]

A lot of. A lot of chemtrails above me. Maybe we could get into that.

[A]

They don't. They don't talk about those. I thought a beautiful moment from today's show was. Was Jerry acknowledging the fact that there's a chance that Epstein might not have killed himself.

[C]

Oh, well, you know.

[A]

Did you change your mind about anything today, Dante?

[B]

Jerry made a lot of really good points. And besides being just a great guy and one of the better looking older men I've come across in a long time. Older. You're very smart. You're very smart. Like really, like, legit. Like, very intelligent for an old guy, it's shocking.

[A]

You still got your brain. You're still Very sharp, Jerry.

[B]

No, you made.

[C]

You made a sense.

[B]

You made a lot of sense, Dante.

[C]

I love talking to you about this stuff. I could do it all day and night. It's. It to me, it's the most interesting stuff to talk about. And you know, what kind of show would this be if I was just like, yeah, yeah, you're right, Dante. People from Holland are all aliens.

[B]

Hello.

[C]

Yoo hoo. Big summer blowout. I am from space. I'm going to probe you. You are going to get my secretion. It works unlike pft.

[A]

We got. We got more stuff that we'll have to get into at some other time.

[C]

I gotta go out to lunch with my wife.

[A]

All right, tell her I say hi, Jerry. All right, tell her, Tell her.

[B]

Thanks so much. This was awesome.

[C]

Love you.

[B]

Excited. Excited to see you in Chicago in a couple months.

[C]

Yeah, we're gonna have a lot of fun. Oh, let me plug. StandByMe Live is coming to Indianapolis and then we're doing a road trip to Chicago in the middle of June and we're doing it at the Chicago theater. Anybody at barstool, if you want tickets, just text me. We, we watched Stand By Me, which was the movie I was in. That was the like. Sorry.

[A]

Very huge role. Large, very large role. Maybe the biggest role you've ever had.

[C]

I was the husky kid in Stand By Me and we watched the movie. It's so fun to watch it with like 2,000 people. And then we have a discussion, me and the other co stars, of what it was like shooting. It's really, it's so emotional. It's very emotional now that Rob Reiner has passed, God rest his soul. It's just, it's a really fun night. It's at. It's in Indianapolis and in Chicago in the.

[B]

By the way, by the way, you did an incredible job honoring him after, you know, that was a tragedy. But thank you.

[C]

Thank you, Dante.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, he was a job. He was a big part of my life. He really like my mentor. And when he's gone, it's like the world is very different for me now, you know, And I. He's. He's. He's. He's always with me. He's always with me. All right, guys, I'm gonna go to lunch with my wife. Love you guys.

[A]

All right, thank you very much.

[B]

Thanks, Jer.

[D]

Bye, Jerry.

[A]

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[B]

Amen.

[A]

Right? You got some Hollywood lib like Jerry o', Connell and then you have a Midwest. I don't even know what to call you. Dante, you are on the red team when it comes to trivia, but your, your theories are, are kind of all over the political spectrum, which I appreciate.

[D]

He's a maverick.

[A]

You are a maverick. Play by your own rules.

[D]

It's dangerous.

[A]

There's some other stuff in the news if we want to get into it real quick. Real quick.

[B]

Would love to.

[A]

Did you watch the Enhanced Games?

[B]

I heard the lead up to them and I thought it was crazy, but very on brand for where we are as a society.

[A]

It was also big. It was a big nothing.

[B]

So that's, that's what I was going to say. I didn't even know that they happened. And then I saw the highlights, if you want to call them that, and it was like it didn't even compare to the regular Olympics.

[A]

Not, not even close. The 100 yard dash or 100 meter dash was 9.97 seconds, which would have been the world record in like 1960 something. So basically they got a lot of second and third tier athletes that were just like, yeah, I'll do, I'll do steroids. And then they were like, watch these humans become superhuman and nothing using the most modern technology. And I think that there's a neat little allegory there for, for the way people like Peter Thiel see the world sometimes, which is these, these tech oligarchs, they think that they're living in the science fiction future. They think that they're 500 years from now in in a movie that they saw when they were a kid. And they're like, we've achieved the technology to make humans into superhumans and bioengineer them to be the super soldiers of the future. And really none of the technologies anywhere close to being agreed in that remote ballpark. But they do think that they're these very important figureheads when it comes to changing human biology and human evolution. And they think that are almost like a God status. So they create things like the enhanced games to show off the technology that they've been working to support as like the visionary of the future. And it's just nowhere close to being what they say it is.

[B]

Well, perfect segue from that is. Did you see Elon's comment, I think it was late last week about neuralink and how in 2020, 28, so two years from now he is claiming that people with neuralink are going to be able to download an NBA All Stars jump shot into their brain.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

That's a claim that she made.

[A]

Okay, all right. Which NBA All Stars jump shot would you download into your own brand to recreate?

[B]

So the picture that I saw with the article was Steph Curry. Wrong.

[A]

I agree. That's wrong. Wrong answer.

[B]

I'm not saying that that would be my answer, but I'm saying that's who

[D]

the correct answer is. Klay Thompson, best shooting form there's ever been. Is Klay Thompson one?

[B]

Not Ray Allen.

[D]

No, not Ray Allen's actually a little like unconventional. It's very short shot.

[B]

Not Reggie Miller, not Larry Bird.

[A]

Reggie Miller had was very unconventional. He almost like a two handed release. Old Red Chat.

[D]

Klay Thompson has the most pure like textbook shooting form of all time.

[A]

I would download Sean Marion's.

[D]

You could probably just go figure that out.

[A]

But you'd be good. That like that's what made Shawn Marion such a hilarious basketball. He had the weirdest looking shot, but it went in. It worked.

[D]

Mark Titus beat him in the Chili's

[A]

three For me that's true. Yeah. People forget that. They don't talk about that anymore.

[B]

All right, you're right. It's a very high release that kind of like Larry Bird kind of like Larry Bird like straight over the head.

[A]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that NBA players jump shots will not be widely available for download into your own brain in a year and a half.

[B]

I don't, I don't even want to live in that world where that is possible. Like why are we trying to get to that point? Is what I don't understand.

[A]

I mean, I think some people think it would be sick to have a wet jump shot.

[B]

But isn't that like what video games are for? Isn't that what virtual reality is for? Like, why do we need to make that real, actual reality?

[A]

Yeah, I think people are. Nobody is happy with their limitations anymore. A limitation is a form of insecurity that everybody has. It's like, okay, I will never be a professional hockey player. I'm not that good at skating. Would I want to download a program that made me instantly great at skating? It would probably be fun for a few minutes. But also I think it might be one of those things where it's like, I didn't earn exactly any of that through hard work when I was growing up. And like practice.

[B]

Exactly. It's the journey.

[A]

Yeah. If you like, if you gave everybody the ability to play guitar at a world class speed right now and you download it, you plug it into your brain, you pick up a guitar, you know all the scales, you know, you've got every song that's just memorized in your brain, you know how to play it all. I think that would be very bad for creativity because you don't have any of the journey that goes along behind it. You don't understand why these different things sound the way that they do. You're not going to be able to evolve and build off it.

[B]

You're just given something and you no longer appreciate Jimi Hendrix. You know, like, you're like, oh, I can do that. That's nothing special anymore.

[A]

Yeah, if everyone can do everything, then nothing's impressive.

[B]

Speaking of insecurities, I thought that was the best point Jerry made in his little final statement was that uncertainty, tragedy and insecurity definitely opens the door for the human mind to want to justify or blame or reason on things. I thought that was a great point.

[A]

They will pray on that.

[B]

I thought that was a great point

[A]

they will prey on for sure. Also, we're not saying what organization that was. It could have been anybody. It could have been anyone.

[B]

What a life that guy's got, man.

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[A]

Big T sent this over today. I've not heard of this strategy yet. The new strategy when it comes to dating, of trying to figure out how wealthy the person is.

[D]

This is big on online right now. There's a lot of discourse about this.

[A]

So you say you're invited on a date. A gentleman invites a lady on a date.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And the lady is taught to reply, how will I get there? Question mark.

[D]

Apparently this is. From what I understand, this is being taught by, quote, dating coaches in large cities.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

So that women will show that they know their worth. And it is, I guess, supposed to be a passive aggressive way of saying that you expect to be Ubered somewhere,

[A]

pay for a car.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Mm.

[D]

And so a lot of men are running into this and questioning it's, how

[A]

will I get this?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Now. Or is it not just the men not knowing how to describe, like, give directions. What if it. What if the men. The man was just like, okay, you're gonna make a right onto Hudson, then you're gonna take a left cross town on. You're gonna go on.

[D]

Well, this avenue would not. A lot of this discourse comes from this Reddit post where a guy said, I was talking to a woman for a few weeks. I've been on two dates in Manhattan and FaceTimed a few times. I invited her to Williamsburg for a brunch date. She said yes, then asked how she'd get there and if I would send a car for her. I assumed this was a joke since she lives in Greenwich village. So like, 15 minutes away. I laughed and said I had full faith in her to make it to Brooklyn. She quickly called off the date and broke things off completely. Is this a common expectation in NYC dating?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And then a bunch of people replied saying, like, yeah, that's the new tactic that the dating coaches are teaching.

[A]

Well, I don't know if what they did with the. The L train, if they ever ended up shutting it down. I don't think that they did. But it's really easy from you just. You go to. I think it's like 12th Street. 14th. 14th Street. Yeah. There might be an entrance to 12 too. You'd go to 14th and 8th. Yeah.

[C]

And take that.

[A]

I think I'm talking about the one that's closer to, like, the hospital, which might be. You might be able to get down there on 12th.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But yeah, same station, essentially. And you just take the L train and it will take you all the way out to Williamsburg.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You can go to Bedford. You can get off at the Bedford Stop.

[C]

Yeah, about a 20 minute ride.

[A]

It's very easy. And I think it's what, like 275, something like that?

[C]

Yep.

[D]

Oh, they raised it, I think. I believe it's 290.

[A]

290 now. 290 to get there. Pretty cool. Mass transportation. Yeah. Also, it'll be way faster than. That's. That's what I don't understand about this. In New York, it's way slower to take cars usually.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I guess, depending on what time of day we're talking about, to get across town and go all the way to Williamsburg, you might be looking at like 25, maybe 30 minutes in a car if it's bad traffic. So I don't know, how will I get there? It makes you sound kind of helpless when you say that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How am I supposed to. How do I. I don't know, but I'm here. How do I get there where you are?

[D]

Also, that's an interesting dynamic. A Williamsburg male in Greenwich Village, female dating each other.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like crazy.

[D]

I feel like it would be reversed.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Yeah, I feel the same way.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

Now we're assuming they would move in together at some point, Right.

[B]

Do you think it's called off the date?

[A]

Yeah. Would it be more likely for them to move in together In Greenwich Village?

[D]

Is not moving to Williams Williamsburg. Oh, see, I think if you want

[A]

to settle down, she would move to Brooklyn.

[D]

I don't think someone living in the Village is. Is looking for Williamsburg.

[A]

I lived in the Village. I would not be looking for. For Willie.

[D]

Right.

[A]

I'm a village.

[D]

No village to Willie.

[B]

All.

[A]

Yeah, you. You can go.

[B]

You're a villi villain.

[A]

I'm. I'm a villi villi till the day I die.

[D]

I could see that T shirt would have gone nuclear in 2013.

[A]

Yeah, nuclear going vil. You could go villy to Willy. But I think that's if you're. If you're maybe having a kid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I think if you're moving in

[B]

together, may I suggest Greenpoint?

[A]

Okay, well.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Okay. X factor compromise. I think that village will you get more space and Willie. Yeah. So if you're, like, looking to have a kid, start a family, then I don't understand how people have children in New York. It's not child city.

[D]

No. You see them sometimes, like, they go to school and stuff, and you're just like. I forget that those exist here.

[A]

They just spawn. They just spaw in. In. In New York City. I don't think people actually. They sit down, they're like, let's have, let's have a family of four children in New York City. I don't know where they would live. They're just really rich. Yeah. Yeah, you could be really rich. Or you could just have city kids that like, instantly, the second they step outside, become way, way, way cooler than you are. And those kids would never say, how do I get there? Those kids would have five different ways to get there.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Depending on which train in which corner you wanted to. To enter and exit out of. They're city biking.

[B]

Oh, I was gonna sit this one out, but I feel like I'm doing a disservice to guys out there. I send Ubers.

[C]

Do you gentlemen.

[D]

Would you, would you if someone said that, though?

[B]

No, I, I do. I do automatically. Right.

[D]

But if you make a mess, that's fine. That's fine if you want to do that. But if, if a girl said that to you, would you not be.

[B]

Usually I'm like, what's your address? They're like, why? I'm like, because I'm gonna pick you up.

[D]

That's fine. If you want to do that of your own.

[B]

Yeah. But the games, I definitely agree, the games are fucked up. The game that I think is the most fucked up, that these girls are coaching these girls on doing. And they're not dating coaches, they're influencers.

[D]

Sure.

[B]

They're these girls that are like telling these girls how to game, the dating system and all that. The one that's really messed up is the one where they text a bunch of guys in their phone while they're out at dinner with their girlfriends and they see who can get the guy to buy them and their friends the dinner or the meal or the lunch or whatever.

[D]

And they're not even there.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

No, no, no. They'll be like, so say there's three girls out at, at Tavern on Rush. They'll each text three or four guys and say, hey, I met lunch with my girlfriends, blah, blah, blah. They'll strike up a conversation. Oh, cool. Yeah. So and so a guy said he was going to send us money, but he like is ignoring her or whatever. He's. He's a cheapskate or whatever. The bash. Another guy, a make believe guy, seeing which guy will be the sucker and say, oh, here you go. And that is then mom or whatever. This is like a big thing. Like, I've talked to a lot of guys and this has happened. This happened to me a few times. I've been like, I'm not a Idiot. Like, that's. That's really messed up to me, but that's crazy. But I'm also the Uber guy, so know, maybe I shouldn't be talking.

[A]

So when you say, like, what's your address? Is anybody ever, like, I. I don't know you yet. Are we talking about, like, girls you meet online?

[B]

No, there's a few. No, not. Not, like, I don't. I don't do, like, dating apps and stuff.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No, but when, like, you ask a girl out, right, to dinner.

[A]

I was thinking more along, like, the dating app. If you were telling somebody, hey, what's your address? Might be a.

[B]

Some of them are like, wait, why? And then you're like, oh, because I was gonna pick you up or send you a car. Some are like, oh, wow, that's amazing. Thank you. Some of them are like, no, I'm good. Which. Either one is usually a good sign.

[A]

Have you ever said, how am I supposed to get there and wait for them to call you an Uber?

[B]

No, that would be. That would be, like, fun, though.

[A]

That would be fun. Like, can you imagine that? If a girl is. Is calling you a ride, I want to make sure you get there safe.

[B]

Babe, That's a Nicky Smokes move.

[A]

Make her pay.

[B]

That is a movie. We.

[A]

Do you think he would.

[B]

Oh, I bet he would.

[A]

Just so he could tell the story about it.

[B]

Yeah.

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[A]

All right, what else we got in the news today that we want to get to? I want to talk a little bit about the. The UFC that's going to happen on the White House lawn, dude, in a few weeks, because I saw you, you had some thoughts about it.

[B]

Dante, when we were talking about where we're at as a society, I almost brought that up. Like, the fact that this is happening is no offense to UFC fans out there. It's just like, what are we doing? Like, what are we doing?

[A]

My initial reaction to this. And I actually saw Dana White brought this up when he was in a podcast too. If you're from the D.C. area, you know that there is something that is synonymous with any time that it is hot outside, when it's hot, humid, anytime. I'd say between like March and probably October.

[D]

Shootings.

[A]

Not shootings. No, not shootings. Big T. Nats.

[D]

They do have those, though.

[A]

And I'm not talking about the baseball gnats. I'm talking about. I'm talking about the, the bugs G in ats. They are everywhere. In the summer, they're all over your face. If you go outside, you're going to get sworn. If it's humid, you're gonna swarm by these tiny little gnats. And if you're doing a. A fight on the White House lawn, there's going. These bugs are going to be everywhere. Having a field day with these fighters. They don't. I don't think they bite. I don't think that nat. They might bite, but you don't really notice them as being biting bugs. They're just buzzing around your face the entire time. You're going to see a ton of gnats at this fight. And I don't think that there's a way that you can get rid of

[B]

them, especially with all the lights.

[A]

Yeah, they're going to figure out a way the gnats will be involved. And they're the biggest pricks in the world. I hate them. As a main reason why I will never move back to D.C. is those bugs.

[B]

And I thought you were going to say the humidity.

[A]

Well, that's part of it. Yeah. Because it is. It's built on a swamp.

[B]

Oh, I don't know. Every time I'm there in the summer, walking around, I'm always like, how do people wear shirts and ties and sport coats and they just got to be soaking wet when they step outside.

[A]

But I used to take a train to the city and I would. I would walk from the train station like maybe three blocks to where I was doing an internship. And in that three block span, I would have. I would have to bring a separate shirt to change into.

[B]

I believe it.

[A]

Once I got to work.

[B]

Work?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know how people do it. I'm. Oh. Do you ever think. I always think weird stuff when I'm dealing with extreme weather. Always. Like, how the hell did people back in the day before heat and air conditioning, like, do it? Like, what possessed them to settle? Like in Chicago in the wintertime, I'm always Like, what the hell were people thinking settling here and how did they survive?

[A]

Yeah, what would you do? Like in Arizona before air conditioning?

[B]

Yeah. Like you can't get away.

[A]

It doesn't make any sense to me.

[D]

Well, you could insulate places, like for heat. There was nothing you could do for ac. Like, how did anybody live in Georgia?

[B]

Yeah, great. Like, great question.

[D]

My great grandma said when she was a kid they'd go to her grandparents house in Florida. No air conditioning, nothing. I was like, what? What'd you do?

[A]

You can't. Yeah, it's impossible to live there. Impossible. I. Yeah. In Canada. I don't know how anyone lived in Canada in the wintertime. I guess they were just hardier people. They were just tougher people back then.

[B]

Had to be.

[A]

And everyone smelled. That's the thing you have to remember is everybody used to smell real bad all the time. Some still do, but everybody smelled bad until like 50 years ago.

[B]

I know. That's brutal. Brutal.

[D]

There's a lot of discourse on X.com right now about air conditioning and Europe and their desire to not have it.

[A]

A lot of places don't have ac.

[B]

Yeah, dude. If my family in southern Italy, they don't. Some don't even have fans. Go there in the summertime, it's 110 degrees and you're just like, like still air, no movement. It's just like you're in an oven. Makes no sense. I think your body gets used to it after a while. It has to.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

But yeah, I did see one tweet that said the one thing Americans are right about is ceiling fans. We should have those. I was like, y' all have ceiling?

[B]

No, dude, it's crazy.

[A]

That's pretty brutal.

[B]

Ac. Why? AC is a luxury in most places

[D]

in Europe, but they've like, they've conditioned themselves, no pun intended, to like hate it. They're like, oh, it sucks. Actually, we don't want that. That's crazy because they can't have it.

[A]

It also, it does. It dehydrates the air. That part is true. Makes the air dry, but it also makes you very comfortable to be indoors on a hot day. I. I don't know what's their main point against it? Just like you're releasing a lot of Freon into the atmosphere.

[D]

I think it's just that, like, it's an American thing. We don't do that here. I saw one day, I think in France there's a myth. I don't know if it's perpetuated by any specific groups, but some People believe if you cool a room to 15 degrees more or less than the outside temperature in Fahrenheit, that you will develop like a disease, really. So if it's 90 outside and you have it below 75, they think you'll get sick.

[A]

Like if you're going in and out, if you're like changing temperatures all the time.

[D]

I'm not even sure if that was part of it. I'll see if I can find it.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know about that.

[B]

I thought it was just an expense thing. I thought it was just so crazy expensive.

[D]

No, they claim that, like, none of the houses there can handle it because they're all old and built for, like, to be really insulated and shit. To which I would ask why it doesn't get like, remarkable like England in particular, where there's no ac, really.

[B]

Right.

[D]

It doesn't get like bitterly cold there, from what I understand. Rains a lot.

[B]

Interesting. That's why that become a thing on Twitter.

[D]

It all, I think every summer, usually there's. There's a little bit of discourse about it once it reaches like. Like it'll be 83 degrees in England one day and there'll be like two people died of heat stroke.

[B]

Oh, yeah. A lot of people die in the summer over there from more people die

[D]

in Europe of heat stroke than die of gun violence in America.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

How many people die of heat stroke every year in. In Europe?

[B]

That's a lot.

[A]

Well, I guess there's a lot of people that live in Europe too, when you think about it.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Not as many as live here. Not nearly as many.

[A]

I think there's more people in the entire continent of Europe.

[D]

350 million.

[A]

Yeah. Let's see how many people live.

[D]

Well, that. If we're not counting.

[A]

Let's see. I. I could be wrong.

[D]

Are we counting Russia?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, all of Europe. 743 million people.

[D]

How many? That's Russia.

[B]

Yeah. Russia's got to be half that.

[A]

Russia has 146 million.

[B]

Wow, that's so less than.

[D]

Okay, so 6.

[A]

Yeah. So we're looking at about 6 million people or. Sorry, sorry. 600 million.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Close to twice the size of the United States. So it would make sense that, that there's a lot of heat stroke deaths over there. Just in terms of deaths in general.

[D]

Approximately 60,000 people die each year of heat related illness in Europe, and there are 45,000 gun deaths in America, most of which are suicides.

[B]

Big T, what are your thoughts on ufc? White House.

[D]

I didn't know about it until a couple weeks ago.

[B]

Seriously?

[D]

Yeah. I don't. I don't do the UFC thing. It doesn't cross my desk.

[B]

I am always astonished about. I'm. I'm from the generation that remembers when UFC was, like, banned. Like, you could not. You had to, like, go to shady video stores and rent them on vhs. They were like ultimate knockouts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, the way they used to do the original tournaments would just be, like, one guy takes on all comers. Yeah.

[B]

And it was like. It was always like, the Gracie family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was all these, like, foreign foreigners, and you'd watch them on vhs, and now it's, like, on network television once a week. It's, like, crazy how mainstream it's become, and big. It's become to the point where it's the first sporting event being held at the White House. It's, like, crazy to me.

[A]

It is not so much. It's increased in invisibility, for sure. It was like the.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The. The bastard stepchild of boxing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When we were growing up, it's, like, very much a young person's game. And then slowly but surely, it just, like, completely started to dominate combat sports. Now boxing's in a tough place. If they're not doing celebrity fights, they're not selling tickets.

[B]

I know. Which is a shame, because a good boxing match still is so fun to watch, so exciting.

[A]

There's just too many bad boxing matches. That's the problem.

[B]

Way too many. I feel like the best boxers got swallowed up. Up into the MMA circuit. It will be a spectacle, though. I will watch it because it's gonna be.

[A]

I want to see what happens.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But the other thing is, I've been to. It's a South Lawn, Right.

[A]

I'm not sure.

[B]

I think it's on one. It's not that big. Like, how are they gonna set this thing up? And how many people are gonna be at this?

[A]

I don't know. I think it's gonna be a miserable experience to go. To do. That's. I would.

[D]

Are they allowing. I don't think you. I can't imagine you just buy a ticket.

[A]

I think that there will be a crowd there.

[D]

I don't. I think it'll be a couple hundred people of, like, VIPs.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I think it'll probably be more than a couple hundred people. I think it'll be a decent amount. I don't know that you're just gonna be able to buy tickets to go to it, but I would say it would probably be Over a thousand. But I think it's gonna be a miserable experience outdoor in the summertime in Washington D.C. the bugs. It could rain. What happens if it rains?

[B]

Great question.

[C]

I don't know.

[D]

Did you see that Centennial High School graduation in Tennessee?

[A]

No.

[D]

They had an outdoor graduation and they were like, it's happening, rain or shine. And it was a monsoon and they just had kids sitting out there just getting drenched.

[A]

Rain or shine. We said rain or shine.

[D]

And that's in Franklin, Tennessee, which is a. An ultra high net worth area. I imagine they pissed off a lot of people that they would not like to have pissed off.

[A]

Yeah, I could imagine that. Let's see the White House, ufc. How many people will be there?

[D]

What other sports could you play at the White House? I guess you could do basketball if you really wanted to.

[A]

4300 invited guests and a free public viewing event at the Ellipse that will accommodate up to 85,000 spectators.

[D]

What is the Ellipse?

[A]

So it's like kind of. It's near the, the National Mall.

[D]

You told me where it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

As to what it is.

[A]

So is it like it's part of that? The National Mall?

[D]

Oh, it's not like an arena or something?

[A]

No.

[B]

They're gonna project it on something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I assume

[A]

it's a park that's like. Right. So it's the National Mall and the White House. It's connected by the Ellipse.

[D]

I don't understand these public viewing. They've been showing these for the Knicks and I don't know where this is, by the way. Like, are they, are they shutting down 7th Avenue?

[B]

I think it's right outside MSG.

[D]

But all outside MSG is like very busy streets. I don't know where they're doing it, but. But these, these public things where you're just jam packed shoulder to shoulder for three hours watching. I love the community of sports. I. It's incredible. It's one of my favorite things. I could never ever do that.

[A]

It looks like it's on 33rd between 7th and 8th Avenue.

[D]

33rd. So they have to shut the street down.

[B]

That's right by the office.

[A]

Yeah, they. So when I was in, when I was in Montreal for the, the Caps Canadiens game last. Last summer, they have like the biggest watch party right outside. They probably shut down, I don't know, like six blocks in Montreal and it's just filled with people wearing Canadiens jerseys watching the game outside. It's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, they've showed a few of those and it looks like tens. It looks like 10 to 20,000 people out there.

[A]

Yeah, there's a lot of people. Those Canadian, the French, Canadians, they. They know how to party.

[D]

Even if you can bring a chair, that's different than stand insult shoulder to shoulder.

[B]

I know there's got to be lots of booze involved. That's the only way I can see it being tolerable and fun.

[A]

I saw a commercial because we just announced the. The roster for the US Men's national team. First of all, Big T, do you have any comments regarding who was included and who was left off of the US MN T. Roster?

[D]

I mean, people are talking about Diego Luna getting left off like it's a. An egregious snow. We don't. There are, like, three guys that, if they were left off, I'd be like, well, that's insane. And other than that, Diga Luna ain't

[B]

one of them who chooses the coach. It's his soul. It's not like a board or committee.

[D]

I'm sure there's input from other people, but it's the head coach.

[A]

It's his call. Yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

That's like, big responsibility. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I think. I think the three would be Christian Psilich.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

If we were saying to leave him off, but also, like, funny if we had, you know, another winger that, like.

[B]

But.

[D]

But yeah, it'd be insane to him. McKinney.

[A]

McKinney.

[D]

Robinson.

[A]

Robinson. Tyler. Adams.

[D]

Adams. Yeah.

[A]

Balagun.

[D]

Only due to the fact that we don't really have any other strikers, and

[A]

also, we'd probably lose them forever if we left him off this team.

[D]

Yeah. But. But like, you know, if. If Tim Ream wasn't on the team.

[A]

Right. Joe Scally would be insane to leave him off.

[D]

You're a big Joe Scally guy.

[A]

Big Joe Scally guy. Are you familiar to Joe Scally?

[B]

No.

[A]

You're familiar with Security Mike?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Security Mike's nephew.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

Yeah. Joe Scally is on the U.S. men's National Team. Yep.

[B]

Get out of here.

[A]

Actual nephew.

[B]

Where's he from? Like, New York Jersey. No way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where's. Where does he play? Like, mls, I think.

[A]

I think he might be playing in Germany.

[B]

No.

[A]

Or Italy. I don't know. He's bounced around.

[B]

How is he not told. Told me this.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

He's the most interesting guy.

[A]

Fox for Wake Up Barstool. They were like, hey, we're putting together. We're getting custom shoes for some of you guys to promote the World Cup. Give us, like, your size. Give us your, like, the city that you're from. Give us the name of your favorite player on the men's national team. And don't tell Mike this, but I was like, okay, yeah, my name is. I said, security Mike is my nickname name. That's what they call me. My favorite player is Joe Scally. And then I found out Mike's shoe size behind the scenes, so we're gonna give him a custom set.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

World Cup Joe. Scout issues.

[B]

So sick.

[A]

That's a security mic on the side.

[B]

That's. You're a good guy.

[D]

He does play for Manchin Gladbach.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Germany.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

He's. He's. I don't know if he's going to be a great player, but it's. We're gonna be rooting for him. And then the goalkeeper situation is kind of up in the air. We don't know if it's gonna be Turner or Freeze or what.

[D]

Yeah, we thought for a while we had, like, a bunch of good goals, goalies. And then it turns out we don't really have any.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, Turner was pretty good in the last World Cup, I'll give him that.

[D]

It's a long time ago.

[A]

He has not been playing well recently for his club side. And Freeze was pretty good in the. Was it the Gold cup last year?

[D]

Yeah. Remember Zach Stefan? Where is he? He was supposed to be next up.

[A]

So I. I bring that up because I saw a commercial the other day that was kind of like what we're talking about with the outdoor viewing experience, where it was like, what if the US Won the World Cup? And it was like beers were. Or it was like different bars and stores were sold out of beer, and it was just a massive party in the United States. I think that's probably a little bit of a pipe dream. I do think that it would be. It'd be crazy if we won the World Cup. I don't know if, like, cities would shut down entirely, but I do think that there would be, like, we might. We might get a federal holiday out of it. I. I could see because, like, Baron is a big soccer guy. I could see Trump finding out from his son, like, hey, this is a massive deal. Also, like, he's made a big deal of the US And FIFA being, like, hand in hand if we won the World Cup, I think Trump gives the entire country a day off work.

[B]

I could see that. I. I think that's a pipe beyond a pipe dream.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I just want them to advance. Yeah, that will be. I mean, I remember the women's World Cup. I don't know if you guys were here in Chicago, but they did a huge watch party in Grant park for the semifinals and the finals and they people like, went crazy. Like Grant park was packed for. Was a big deal.

[D]

Pft. Let me ask you a question. If the US won the World cup on Sunday, September 30th 13th, obviously it takes place a couple months before that. Let's say it takes place on Sunday, September 13th.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

On the same weekend as Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas, 49ers, Rams.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Bills, Texans, Tennessee, Georgia Tech.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I gotta be honest with the Alabama,

[A]

Kentucky, the NFL slate. I listen, I know it's 49ers. Right. But that's a game in Australia. This can be a weird.

[D]

Oh, is it?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, you're right. Bucks, Bengals, Packers, Vikings, Cowboys, Giants, Broncos, Chiefs.

[A]

Where Commander's Eagles.

[D]

Commander's Eagles on Monday morning, where is the winning the World cup discussed first, you think?

[A]

Yes, I don't think it's fair. Well, yes. Winning the World cup, it's first. It's the World Cup. If we won the entire World cup, it's. Yes. It's number one. It's.

[D]

How quick do they move off it? Does it take up the entire A block?

[A]

No, no, I think certainly not. Wait, who's playing Monday Night Football?

[D]

Broncos. Chiefs.

[A]

Yeah, we. Okay. Patrick Mahomes leads on Tuesday. Yes. If he, if Patrick Mahomes comes back and his ACL is fine or whatever and the Chiefs win Tuesday night.

[C]

Yeah. Or.

[D]

Oh, I wasn't even going to Tuesday. I was saying how long on the shows on Monday morning?

[A]

I think you.

[D]

Is it the entire A block?

[A]

Entire A block on Monday. But then, like, that's a. It's the Chiefs on Monday Night Football. So it'll probably be buried like, at the end of the show by Tuesday, but it will lead that first day. If.

[D]

Would it be the highest rated program on that day if it was on at the same time as the NFL?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

In the U.S. yes.

[A]

There's a lot of people that would watch soccer if it was the the US in the font. It would be like. It would be like soccer fever here to stay.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, people have been saying that for years, and here we are two weeks out and like, I don't really

[A]

think if we won the World cup, if we won.

[D]

But I'm just saying that they. For years people have been saying sport of the future. The 2026 World cup is going to revolutionize sports in America.

[A]

Well, that's what they told us in 1994, when we hosted 94. And it did. Soccer got a lot bigger in 19. I'm. I'm probably one of the. I'm a 94 World cup convert. I don't think I gave a shit about soccer until the World cup was here in the United States.

[B]

It was awesome.

[A]

And then I watched, like, every game.

[D]

I was like, you still kind of don't. Outside of national.

[A]

Correct. I don't care. Outside of. Yeah, I guess you could say, like,

[D]

international, which is a really interesting thing because I also love U.S. soccer, but it's. You get so few opportunities.

[A]

That's kind of what. That's what I like about it. It. I don't have to fill up my calendar.

[D]

Right.

[A]

But when I'm into it, you get. I think it's a combination of. You get. I do like soccer. I like watching soccer at a high level. And also you get the flags and the geography, which I also. I'm a fan of. Big fan of maps. So when you combine those two of my interests, I'm like, okay, yeah, I can. I can give you three weeks of my life. So, yeah, I'm pumped. And also, there's just so many games. I. I think I said this on Wake Up Barstool. I'm going to give you a little. A little betting tip. I'm not a financial expert. I'm not. I'm not good at betting. I just want to lead off with that. I'm not good at gambling. I've lost a lot of money gambling. I'm gonna bet every single tie in the opening round of the World Cup. So in the group stage, I'm betting every game to be a tie this year.

[B]

Based on what?

[A]

Based on the fact that you always get weird ties between teams that are much better and teams that get, like one emotional goal and then they just have all their players play defense and they pack the box. They call it parking the bus. And they just play, like solid defense and they tie the game. One, one.

[B]

I like that strategy.

[A]

You get weird ties in the group state.

[B]

I like that strategy.

[D]

So I'm seeing most of these hover between plus 2 and 300.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Germany, Curacao. I can give you 18 to 1

[A]

on a draw that won't. See, there's some that they definitely will not be draws.

[B]

But if it does.

[A]

But what if it was.

[D]

So how many first round games are there?

[A]

Well, there's a difference. Where it's like, this time we got what, 48 teams in the World Cup?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I have a question.

[A]

So I Don't know how that math works. I'm not. I'm not a math guy.

[D]

I have a.

[A]

Way better than.

[D]

Every team plays three games, but then, like, they're in the same game. So it's not. I don't know how many games it is.

[B]

I have a question. Why does FIFA not open up this World cup with a US Game? Like, it's. What is Brazil, Egypt? Is that the opening game?

[D]

No, it's gotta be Mexico.

[A]

Mexico.

[D]

It's one of the host countries. I think it's Mexico. It might be Canada, actually. Okay. I think it's Canada, but it's not us.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Okay, that. All right, that makes more sense then. Okay.

[D]

Yeah, no, the one the host country always plays the first game, which it should be us. I don't know why it isn't, but.

[B]

All right.

[D]

It's one of them.

[B]

That was. That was a question. And then have you guys heard. This is probably common knowledge to real soccer fans, but the FIFA like, requirements, what they're doing in these stadiums.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Oh, and in terms of what there.

[B]

That is a lot that could mean going in. And so my friend, like, runs a company that has a suite covering up Foxborough. No, taking everything down off like the walls and in everywhere.

[D]

They're not even calling them the names of the stadium. It's like the Atlanta Stadium.

[B]

Throughout the concourses, in the suites. There can't be any NFL anything, any team, anything. They're literally like taking everything down, putting everything FIFA up.

[A]

It is crazy.

[D]

And the Falcons had to get special permission to not have to cover up. You know, the roof on Mercedes Benz Stadium, it has that like camera shutter enclosure.

[B]

Right.

[D]

That when it closes, it has the Mercedes logo.

[B]

Right.

[D]

And people's like, you have to cover that. And they're like, well, that's going to be really hard to do because it's on the roof. And we would have to. And they had. They went through a whole thing and finally FIFA was like, okay, I think that's the only corporate logo that will be uncovered during the whole thing.

[B]

Crazy.

[D]

That isn't an official.

[B]

They probably had to pay up for. Yeah, probably crazy.

[A]

FIFA, they. They know how to make money. They know how to take bribes. They're the greatest to ever do it.

[B]

Yeah. They swing a big stick.

[A]

They do, yeah. So not only that, they also are installing, like grass fields, making all the

[B]

putting grass in the turf stadiums.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No way.

[D]

The players won't play on it.

[B]

I don't blame them. But I didn't know that they could Even do that.

[A]

Well, they would, like. That's. They've got you fooled. That's what they've been saying to, like, the. The NFLPA for years. Because every NFL player wants to play on grass, right? And the stadiums are just like, yeah, we can't do it. Sorry. But then FIFA comes in, and they're like, hey, these need to be grass. And they're like, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes.

[B]

Mr. Gino, I did not know that if the NFLPA had any sway at all, that would be a major sticking point.

[A]

Just like, leave them. Yeah, all you have to do is just leave the grass there. Just don't take the grass out. But I'm. Yeah, I'm very excited for the opening match is Mexico against South Africa. Same game that was in South Africa. They played Mexico to open up the World Cup. I believe that was a tie.

[D]

Well, they scored first, right? South Africa did. That was a. Like, a huge deal.

[A]

It was a massive goal. One. One tie, I believe. But that would have been one that would have probably paid out, like, five to one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

South Africa against Mexico. And there will be 72 opening round games.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

So I'm gonna. My experiment will be to.

[D]

So you're gonna need to go 20 and 52 probably.

[A]

I need 20 ties. Let's see. We need to see how many ties.

[D]

Like, the.

[A]

The tie percentage.

[B]

If you get. If you get some big ones, though, it'll offset.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A lot of those Ls.

[A]

Yeah. I'm sure that, you know, the gambling people are smarter than me. They thought through these scenarios before, but that's just gonna be my strategy. Plus, that way I can, like, if I'll be watching a lot of games I don't care about, and there'll be a goal, and then I'll be like, oh, I get to root for Sweden now, you know? Oh, I get to root for Switzerland now. And be fun. All right. Anything else we want to get into today? That was a good episode. I like talking with. With you and Jerry Dante.

[B]

Oh, it was great. I'm. Thank you guys so much for having me.

[D]

Just real quick, where do you fall on bat dogs? Did you see the bat dog incident?

[A]

Yeah. You got to have your head on a swivel if you know there's a dog there. Like, you can't be mad.

[D]

So you think it's the guy's fault?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

You think it's a dog's fault?

[D]

100. The Tulsa Drillers, they're suspending the bat dog program they announced today.

[A]

Well, that's not the dog's fault. The dog was doing what it was

[D]

taught to do, which is the problem, which is why it needs to be removed.

[A]

There's no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners.

[B]

Great point.

[A]

There might be a few bad dogs out there.

[D]

I can only imagine the phone call that the Dodgers gave to the. The Tulsa Drillers and just the. The reaming out that happened.

[A]

How bad was the. You want to just explain?

[D]

Yeah. A player for the Tulsa Drillers. Forgive me, I have briefly misplaced his name. Kendall George. I believe he's the number nine prospect in the Dodger system. Really good player. He's having an awesome year. He scored on a play and is running into the dugout and the bat dog for the team is running out to get the bat and he has to swerve to avoid him. And I think suffered, they think, like a pretty bad injury to his knee trying to avoid the bat dog, careening out of the dugout.

[B]

Yeah. That's not the dog's fault. That's just a freak accident.

[D]

It is the fault of the people who have the dog in place of a bad boy.

[B]

I mean, if you give me the choice, I'm taking the dog all day.

[D]

So that's what I'm. And I said this. The upside of the bat dog is maybe a few dozen people chuckle in the first inning and there's no. No reaction the rest of the game. The downside is the number nine prospect in your system suffers a serious injury.

[A]

Nobody could have seen this coming.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, this. I don't remember this ever happening before.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. Are you going to suspend the bat dog program? Are you going to cancel the bat dog program?

[D]

That's what they said. I'm told the Tulsa Drillers are planning to suspend their bat dog program after Kendall George's freak injury this week. Dodgers still waiting on a final medical opinion per source, but fear he suffered a patellar injury.

[A]

Did.

[D]

That's bad. That's kneecap.

[A]

That's a really same one. Now, he should have looked where he was going. Is he afraid of dogs?

[D]

I mean, have you seen the video? I have seen the dog comes darting out of the dugout out.

[A]

Yeah. Well, that's what dogs do.

[B]

Has a duty, doing his job. That sucks, too, because, you know, that dog is like a team mascot. The players all love him.

[A]

It just wants to do.

[D]

It's not Kendall George.

[A]

It just wants it. Well, that. You know what? That's another thing. It's like how long and Kendall George been with the Team, right. Probably not that long. You probably didn't have a close relationship.

[D]

You think the dog wouldn't have done this to someone else?

[A]

A dog that it was familiar with?

[D]

Well, maybe the dog should be a little more. Are familiarized with the top 30 prospects in the organization and only go after some guys that are hitting.180.

[A]

I don't know. I would actually. I would go the other way. I would think about calling this dog up to the big leagues, because this dog, it tells me that you always hear managers be like, I don't care what number you got on your back. I don't care if your name is Otani or if it's Smith or Jones. Everyone's got to earn their starting spot. This dog seems like it treats everybody the exact same. No star treatment.

[D]

George has played 43 games with the Tulsa Drillers all this season.

[A]

Okay. And what position does he play?

[D]

He is an outfielder.

[A]

Okay. So I'm just wondering who on the Dodgers benefits from this? Follow the money.

[D]

Hitting.333 this year. Yeah.

[A]

So somebody wanted him.

[B]

Doesn't matter. He's not coming up in that organization.

[D]

It might have been a trade piece, and a big trade this year might have turned into Jordan Alvarez in a deal. It's a shame.

[A]

All right, well, I'm. I'm in favor of dogs on sports teams. Sorry, that's just. I'm not going to change my mind on that.

[D]

All right? I mean, how many people have to lose their kneecaps?

[A]

I guess at least. At least five more.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

I can tolerate up to six in a season.

[B]

You should take your case to Eddie. Eddie will agree with you.

[A]

It's big time. Like, yeah, I've been saying this for

[D]

years, and I. I love dogs, but that. That's not the place.

[B]

I don't know if you do.

[A]

When you have. When you say, I love dogs, but you don't really.

[B]

Look, yeah, I agree.

[A]

It's unconditional. I love dogs, period.

[B]

Agreed.

[D]

Even when they. They do bad stuff.

[A]

Yeah, especially when they do.

[D]

If a dog killed someone, you still love that dog?

[A]

It depends on who. Who they killed.

[D]

Killed one of your friends. Killed your best friend.

[A]

Dude, were they asking for it?

[B]

Ridiculous. Hypothetical.

[A]

Yeah. Like if somebody was. If somebody's breaking into my house and Blake grabbed them by the throat.

[D]

Not Blake. A dog. You don't know.

[A]

Oh, stranger dog.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Just killed one of my friends outside my house.

[D]

Sure.

[A]

I'd have to.

[D]

You said you love all dogs.

[A]

Case by case. Well, that. That's not a real dog.

[D]

You have to give me shirt is

[A]

you have to give me a real dog. Do I love. Do I love Hitler's dog, Blondie?

[D]

Well, now you're blaming innocent parties.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know.

[D]

Unless you. Unless you put forth the theory that some do with Max the Grinch's dog, that he is actually the cause of the evil.

[B]

Whoa, I've never heard this one.

[D]

Oh, this is a big thing.

[B]

You need to break this down for me. I never heard this.

[D]

There are people who claim that. That the Grinch's dog Max is actually the source of all the evil because he let me. Let me re.

[A]

Familiarize myself, like pulling the strings behind the scenes.

[D]

Yeah, there's a really good post online about it. Yeah, I. I can't find it. But just know that there are people out there who believe Max to be a bad dog.

[A]

I think that's. That's misassigning the blame. I think that's a sad state of modern affairs where no one can take accountability anymore. You hated the who's deal with it. Don't blame it on your dog. You know, like Son of Sam blamed it on his dog.

[D]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. So that a dog was talking to him, told him to kill all those people because no one can stand up, raise their hand, say, I'm a bad guy. You gotta blame it on your dog. Now I stand with that. That Bat dog. What was his name?

[D]

I don't know. You don't even know. I don't know that I ever saw his name.

[A]

Bat Dog, Drillers name. Let's see. It's probably a cute name. The Gnats have a cute pup too. Its name is Natty. Natty's a boy. The Bat dogs for the Tulsa Drillers are named Floki and Mia. So they've got two different.

[D]

Well, which one is.

[A]

We need to find out players and did they. Did they suspend both of them? And if so, why is Mia paying for the sins of Floki or vice versa? There's a lot of questions that I have about this. I'm going to wait for more facts to come out. All right, well, we will see you guys next week on Macrodosing. Thanks to Jerry o' Connell for joining. Thanks to Dante for joining. Great conversation. Look forward to diving into the rest of that list at some other point, Dante, because we. I think we went about like 4 for 9 on the topic station over. So we got a lot more to get into.

[B]

Thanks, fellas.

[A]

All right, love you guys.