Elon Musk Vs. OpenAI (ft. Zac) | May 14, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing: "Elon Musk vs. OpenAI (ft. Zac)" – Detailed Episode Summary

Date: May 14, 2026
Hosts: Barstool Sports (Big T, Mad Dog McKenzie), featuring Zach
Main Theme:
This episode dives into the ongoing legal drama and power struggle between Elon Musk and Sam Altman over the future of OpenAI. The crew also explores broader themes around artificial intelligence (AI), tech egos, cultural memories of COVID lockdown, and existential questions about the potential consequences of advanced technology. Light-hearted segments about childhood book fairs, elementary school food, and random fun facts balance out the deep dive on serious tech topics.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. OpenAI and the Lawsuit: Musk vs. Altman

• Background: Musk and Altman, two of the biggest personalities in tech, are embroiled in a legal and ideological dispute over control, profit motives, and the future direction of OpenAI.
• OpenAI's Journey:
  • Initially founded as a nonprofit to create AI for the good of humanity, with roots in a competitive desire to outpace Google ([83:13]–[86:25]).
  • Transitioned towards a for-profit model to raise more money for data infrastructure essential to building AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) ([91:38]–[95:05]).
  • Key Issue: The transformation from nonprofit to for-profit (and the billions involved) is central to the current lawsuit and Musk’s grievance ([89:05]–[95:00]).
• The Egos at Play:
  • Both Musk and Altman are described as seeing themselves as “the guy” – the ones meant to control the next iteration of humanity’s most powerful technology, drawing a humorous but apt comparison to the obsession with The Ring in Lord of the Rings ([88:09]–[88:46]).
  • Altman positions himself as ethical (“I want to share the ring!”), but the hosts point out the underlying ego and power play ([89:03]–[89:05]).
• Courtroom Antics:
  • The trial even delves into Musk's alleged “rhinocetamine” intake at Burning Man during crucial moments for OpenAI's path ([97:12]–[100:20]).
  • The hosts laugh about the surreal nature of the world’s future being debated through whether someone was high at a festival during key negotiations.

2. Existential and Ethical AI Questions

• Are We Already in an AI Simulation?
  Zach suggests maybe we’re already in an AI, like Earth is someone’s simulation running on a cosmic computer ([77:07]–[79:29]). The group relates this to Black Mirror and philosophical arguments.

• The AI Race and AGI:
  Discussion of AGI (“Artificial General Intelligence” – an AI that can perform any human intellectual task) and the absurd “race” to get there, as well as the questionable end-goal ([80:34]–[97:05]).

• Dystopian Scenarios:

  • If AI achieves dominance, will it “punish” those who tried to stop it? Should we all start pretending to support AI now in case it’s keeping tabs? ([81:02]–[81:41])
  • Should we fear a utopian future where nobody has to work – or the environmental destruction needed to get there? ([95:30]–[96:11]).

• The Data Center Problem:

  • Data centers, resource use, and local communities being uprooted—sudden public backlash ([92:39]–[95:35]).

• Self-Destructive Solutions:

  • Proposed solutions range from capping AI progress at 25% beyond today ([107:52]–[108:27]), to flooding servers with dumb GIF requests to make the AI want to “off itself” ([107:04]–[107:19]), to anti-AI “magnet militias” disrupting server farms ([102:26]–[104:10]).

3. COVID Lockdown Nostalgia

• The group reminisces about early COVID lockdown: video games, Peloton, and a semi-serious pondering—what if society instituted regular, scheduled two-week sabbaticals à la the European “siesta” ([05:30]–[11:32])?
• Zach and others joke that as long as there’s no death, they'd be up for another several months of downtime for Warzone and relaxation ([01:46]–[08:46]).

4. Childhood Book Fair/School Lunch Nostalgia

• The Scholastic Book Fair as a brilliant (and exploitative) child labor pyramid scheme ([23:52]–[27:15]).
• Elementary school food, lunchroom hierarchies, the social currency of ice cream or slushies, and nostalgia for childhood treats ([28:03]–[35:30]).
• Theoretical adult book fairs and bringing those nostalgic joys to the workplace ([36:17]–[36:52]).

5. Random Fun Facts Showdown

• PFT comes in with a list of “mind-blowing” facts (e.g., 52 factorial shuffling in cards, sharks older than trees, royalty eating Egyptian mummies), and is amiably roasted for most of them being more “mom’s Facebook” than mind-shattering ([51:05]–[66:59]).
• Quote:
  • Mad Dog McKenzie: "You were giving me bubblegum rapper ass facts." ([61:51])
  • Zach: "Facts are a spectrum – some people’s minds are blown by some, some by others." ([67:53])

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On The OpenAI Dispute & Tech Egos:

  • “Are these guys just in an AI pissing contest?” – Zach ([87:29])
  • "They look at this like, that’s getting the ring...ignoring the fact that the whole point of Lord of the Rings is like, when you get the ring, it fucks you up.” – PFT ([88:09])

• On the Reality of the AI Gold Rush:

  • “Should we all start pretending we support AI now just in case it’s keeping tabs?” – Big T ([81:30])

• On Lockdown, Book Fairs, and School Lunch:

  • “Whoever was in charge of Scholastic Books and figured out how to deputize every child in America as a book salesman is a goddamn genius.” – Big T ([24:12])
  • “My uncle told me it’s a dollar for ice cream now...that’s 100% inflation!” – Mad Dog McKenzie ([30:13])

• On Tech Utopianism and AGI:

  • “Trying to achieve the utopia destroys everything. So why start it?” – Zach ([95:30])
  • “Maybe the real utopia is before you realize there’s a utopia to conquer.” – Big T ([95:41])

• On Fun Facts:

  • “You gotta come into these facts open arms.” – Zach ([58:40])
  • “What you’re doing right now is, did you know Hank Aaron would still have 3,000 hits if he never hit a home run?” – Mad Dog McKenzie ([62:27])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Intro/Lockdown Nostalgia: [05:30]–[11:32]
• Lane Kiffin/Ole Miss vs. LSU Race Debate: [12:05]–[18:48]
• Book Fair/School Lunch Nostalgia: [23:52]–[36:52]
• Fun Facts Segment: [51:05]–[67:53]
• AI Deep Dive – Are We Already in a Sim?: [77:07]–[79:29]
• OpenAI/Musk vs. Altman Dispute: [83:13]–[97:12]
• Environmental/Resource Concerns with AI/Data Centers: [92:39]–[95:35]
• Shutdown/Sabotage Theories (Magnets/GIFs etc): [102:26]–[109:00]
• Rapid-fire Food & Wedding/Candy Chat: [110:42]–end

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Tone and Style

• Irreverent, Playful, Insightful: Hosts move quickly from deep philosophical tech talk to tongue-in-cheek banter about childhood, sports, and “bubblegum rapper ass facts.”
• A range of registers – from bro-y nostalgia to genuinely thoughtful speculation on dystopian futures – makes the episode both entertaining and surprisingly illuminating.

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Quick Takeaways for Non-Listeners

• The power struggle over OpenAI is as much about ego, branding, and future control as it is about technology.
• The race to AGI is full of dangerous utopian thinking, environmental consequences, and weird, petty infighting at the highest levels of tech.
• Regular people’s anxieties about AI (job loss, “simulation” theories, runaway resource consumption) are mirrored and mocked by its creators.
• As always, the Macrodosing crew grounds heavy topics with relatable humor – whether sharing fond memories of slushies, bemoaning lost book fairs, or poking fun at the quirks of “Notable Facts” culture.

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Recommended for: Anyone curious about the wild west of AI, tech billionaires, or who just wants to hear what AI’s rapid development feels like when filtered through an unfiltered, hilarious, and occasionally skeptical lens.

Transcript

[Big T]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Zach]

Like oh, shut it down again.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Zach]

Shut it down.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I do another two. I do two weeks, two I. I

[Zach]

would flirt with the idea of like four to six months as long as there's no death.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Four to six months.

[Zach]

If there's no if there's no death, I'm in for four to six.

[Big T]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Big T]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Big T]

How about that? That's awesome. Good for you, Big T. I'm glad they finally sent you some. They finally. Do you have to get prescription shoes ever?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Prescription?

[Big T]

Yeah. No, because the 16s.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Big T]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like, I haven't look at a shoe. I haven't bought shoes in a store in well over a decade.

[Big T]

Can't buy them off the rack.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No.

[Big T]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Big T]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Big T]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What color is the mat?

[Big T]

Probably, probably Commanders. It'll probably be a Commander's branded yoga mat.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. What do you do with your hair

[Big T]

when you're on the man bun?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

See that? That's where you. You actually look like the kind of guy who would be doing that.

[Big T]

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[Zach]

Pretty excited. I appreciate you guys having me today.

[Big T]

Yeah. Of course, Zach. Of course. It's going to be a fun discussion. We got Mad Dog McKenzie behind the glass, and we got a lot to get into today. Eventually, we are going to talk about the open AI trial that's been going on. So it's like two of the richest people in the world are most powerful people in the world. Elon Musk and Sam Altman going at it in court, trying to figure out who owns OpenAI, whether it's a nonprofit, whether it's a for profit, who has control of it, and exactly how much rhinocetamine Elon did at burning man in 2017. So we're going to get to the bottom of that. You ever done rhinochetamine?

[Zach]

I haven't, but the answer for him has to be, like, so much.

[Big T]

Right. I think if you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound when it comes to rhinochetamine.

[Zach]

Really? Is it. Now, is that. Is the rhino significant of the. The scale of like. Like, physical weight of the ketamine, or it, like, could take out a rhino?

[Big T]

I think it's like, it gives you. Gives you. It gives you the power of a rhino.

[Zach]

Oh, turns you, like, spiritually into a rhino.

[Big T]

I think so, because it's a mix of, like, meth and ketamine at the same time. So it gets you amped up.

[Zach]

What a day. I mean, that's. That sounds a little bit terrifying, but, like, good on Elon, you know?

[Big T]

Yeah. If you. Hey, listen, if you. If you come out the other side after a day on. On rhino, ketamine, good for you. You come out stronger than you went in.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You sound familiar with the effects.

[Big T]

I've never. No, I've never done ketamine. Never done rhino.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I didn't.

[Big T]

I certainly.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Wow. You're jumping to conclusions. I said, you sound familiar.

[Big T]

Yeah, I read.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then you immediately said, well, I don't. I don't do. I didn't. I didn't think you did.

[Big T]

I thought that was implied when you said I sounded familiar with it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You know what happens when you assume. Pft.

[Big T]

I. Yeah, I guess I do. Today we got a lot to get into right off the bat. Is everybody okay? Everybody come to work today? Feeling like 100%. No, no,

[Zach]

no, no.

[Unknown Guest]

Is the haunter in Illinois?

[Big T]

Yeah, the haunters here.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, they're. They're investigating.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, I can't. I gotta go. I saw one of the guys was on Tick Tock, like, posting his Omaha quarantine room.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, I did. I didn't see.

[Unknown Guest]

So we're Back.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What hotel are they at?

[Unknown Guest]

I don't know. It didn't say hotel. It. It looked.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Are they in, like a hospital?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, it looked more like a hospital, but like, it was. It was decent. He had a lot of room. There's like a Peloton bike in there.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's pretty good.

[Unknown Guest]

You have a fridge like it? Yeah, it was, it wasn't bad. He said he did not test positive, but he was quarantining and it was like his second day.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's. I remember that's. That's heavy. Like 2020 vibes right there. Being like, this is my quarantine. This is my bubble that I'm in right now.

[Unknown Guest]

The meals that are like bread in one carrot.

[Big T]

Yep. I've got my peloton right here. Do my classes. That's definitely.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did you own one prior to that?

[Big T]

I did, but I didn't really start using it until. Until the, The. The shelter in place.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

That we had in New York City

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

two weeks to slow the spread.

[Big T]

Yeah, that was. I was in such good shape by the end of that. I was doing. After like a month. I was doing Peloton just about every day, sometimes two days, and I was down like 15 pounds, feeling great. And then of course, you burn out on it, just like you burn out on. On anything that you do that much. But yeah, I, I. The guy doing like TikToks, showing off, like, hey, here's what I'm doing. That's just giving me big time flashbacks

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

to 2020, but I know, I know you're a video game guy.

[Zach]

That is true.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Was Covid for you?

[Zach]

Like, oh, shut it down again.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The greatest nights of your life.

[Zach]

Shut it down.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I do. Another two. I do two weeks.

[Zach]

I would flirt with the idea of like four to six months. As long as there's no death.

[Big T]

Four to six months.

[Zach]

If there's no. If there's no death, I'm in for four to six.

[Big T]

Four to six? Why four to six?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You had to be there, man. Peak War Zone.

[Zach]

Pft.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was special with your boys.

[Big T]

I mean, I was there. Four to six months is a long time, though.

[Zach]

Think of how many Peloton rides that is.

[Big T]

Yeah, but there was no sports on. Did you just play one game or did you, like, evolve? Did it go from one to another?

[Zach]

It was just like. It was two games. Mainly just war zone in the NBA 2K.

[Big T]

Yeah. War zone was big then.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The War Zone during. During COVID was special.

[Big T]

Yeah, special it was. What was the name of that map?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Verdance.

[Big T]

For dance. Yeah. Yeah. Verdansk. I remember Hank taught me how to play. He was like, we gotta hop on. Hop on the sticks. And then I. I showed him how to win at war zone. Hank never won without me. I. He needed a coach because he gets, like, add so he would. He would find himself in, like, a very good position, and then he would just do something really stupid because he got bored. It's like, dude, we already knew that there were three guys back there. Hank, why are you. Why are you running at all three guys? At the time, Hank, to his credit, didn't like to camp, and. But I was like, there's a. There's a happy medium between being reckless and camping out and trying to win the game. So after probably, like, two months of Hank having two war zone coaches, we finally got him a dub and. But we had him on, like, an electric collar leash that entire last game. It's like, dude, you don't need to always charge people. You don't need to go into that building. You're fine where you are. I. I think I could go for another, like, two weeks. Two weeks of quarantine would be fine. I think after that, I go crazy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Maybe we do. And I guess we've missed the boat a little bit. We'll have to do it every six years. I was going to say maybe every five years. We just. We just. Everyone takes two weeks off. It's two weeks together. Yeah. Yeah. Everything's closed. You just got to. You just got to hang. Two weeks. A little sabbatical.

[Big T]

Is this worldwide?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Sure.

[Big T]

Okay. That'd be kind of cool.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

It's like, everyone.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What's the. What do they do in Spain? What's it called?

[Big T]

Siesta.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But there's a. There's a better. There's more of a name for it. Right. Maybe it is just. See, it's every day.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

After lunch, it's like two to four. You can't go anywhere. It's like everything's closed after lunch.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

They got built in. Nap time.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Oh, my. We're doing it wrong.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like, if you go out on the street, there's nobody out there.

[Big T]

Everywhere in Europe, really. It's like they take their lunches very seriously. You go to France, you try to go out. Somewhere between. Yeah. Two and five. Every place is closed down.

[Zach]

I could say, being huge. From around the community building. We should adopt that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But you know, Zach, that's how they. Then they want everything for free.

[Zach]

Oh. It's a whole thing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I just thought we were taking Builds a soft population.

[Zach]

But we're already, like, we're relatively soft. Why not just enjoy the simple.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, we work harder over here. Yeah, we work hard. They also get, like, two months off every year. They get to just go party.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, they also make, like, 25 grand.

[Big T]

Yeah, they seem to be.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did you see the. The thing recently? They. They asked people in England, where do you think Great Britain would rank GDP wise as a state in the US and the average response was seventh. And they would be 51st.

[Big T]

They'd be last.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes.

[Big T]

Behind Alaska, I guess. The oil.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Behind Mississippi, who is currently 50th behind Mississippi. They were unpleased to learn that.

[Big T]

I bet. I can imagine. Big T. Where do you stand on the big debate? Who's less racist, Mississippi or Louisiana? Who you got?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. What a. What a quote from that guy.

[Big T]

Yeah. So to set the stage, if you haven't and this. Heard about it all, this, of course,

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

happened Monday, right as we finished recording it.

[Big T]

Yeah. Lane Kiffin did an interview in Vanity Fair, as SEC football coaches tend to do, and he discussed being the head football coach at Ole Miss in Oxford, Mississippi, and how he heard from parents and grandparents or recruits that they wouldn't let their grandchildren or children go there because of the state's history with racism. And now Lane Kiffin doesn't have to deal with that now that he's working at Louisiana State University, which has zero history of racism.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He said they tell him there's no segregation here, implying that there is in Oxford, Mississippi, but not in south Louisiana.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think. I think that it's probably true that if you're a grandparent and in many cases a parent in Mississippi, you think that, like, you don't feel that that state is a safe place for your grandkids to go. Like, based on your experience growing, you can. You can understand that, certainly.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Here's the thing about Lane. Do I believe the sit he described happened at least once?

[Big T]

Yes.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was never raised when he was the most powerful, powerful person in Mississippi.

[Big T]

No.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He felt comfortable enough with the University of Mississippi for his daughter to attend school there. It seems an odd time to raise this concern when you could have done much more about it.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Even several months ago.

[Big T]

And sometimes when people levy that accusation, like, oh, you left, and then you start talking about it, why don't you do anything while you were there? It kind of rings hollow because a lot of times people are powerless, like, given. Depending on what that job would be for Lane. But in this case, when he was a Football coach at Ole Miss. He definitely had some power. He definitely could have spoke out about a lot of stuff.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The highest paid government employee in the state and also the most popular person in the state.

[Big T]

Yeah, he. He definitely had some power that he could have spoke up with. But now he's at LSU and he's. I did. I loved the Photoshops that I saw going around yesterday.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

There were some great ones.

[Big T]

Lane Kiffin leading a march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge was maybe my favorite one that they had.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The Mississippi Burning.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Movie poster.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That was him and Gene Hackman.

[Big T]

It was great. But now we've. We've devolved into kind of like a war between the LSU Tigers and the Ole Miss Rebs, by the way, each other.

[Zach]

On.

[Big T]

On who is more racist as a college.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right. I do look forward to the day that Lane finds out why LSU is called the Tiger.

[Big T]

See, that's the thing. It's like, okay, one is called the Rebels and the other is called the Tigers, named after a battalion in the Civil War.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes.

[Big T]

That actually tracked down and killed former slaves. Correct.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I can't attest to that, but it was. It was a regiment of the Confederate Army. Yeah.

[Big T]

So. But thank God Lane got out of that. That racist hellhole that is Mississippi.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes.

[Big T]

And now he's in Louisiana, where they. They grow up and. And live and breathe and work every day together as brothers. Nothing bad's ever happened. I do love Louisiana. Like. Like, if the question for me is which state would I personally rather live in? It's hands down, I would rather be in Louis. I love Louisiana. Now, I've never really been to Mississippi outside one weekend in Oxford, but I love Louisiana. But I love. I also love that Lane Kiffin chose to do this in an interview with Vanity Fair and then apologize for it immediately, being like, I didn't know it would come across like that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. In the same article, he said, I hope all the things I've said don't. Don't come across derogatory, because I love that place. And let me tell you something. If you thought the golf ball and mustard bottle were bad, he's in physical danger when they go there on September 19th. Now, I do think there's an element of Tennessee fans are crazy and there's 100,000 people in Neyland Stadium as opposed to, like, 60 at Vaught Hemingway. But, I mean, he. He's doing everything he can to provoke those people.

[Big T]

What do you mean by those people?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Ole Miss fans.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And he's going to be. They better have him secure.

[Big T]

Yeah. They're gonna need, like, the Pope mobile for Lane Kiffin. They're gonna need. You know how in soccer they've got the technical area on the sideline.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

The plastic things that go over their heads. They should probably get one of those for Lane.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't, you know, I don't like or particularly dislike. I dislike LSU a little bit. I don't care about either of those schools, really. I will be rooting hard for Ole Miss in that game.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, Lane, every. Every place that he leaves, with the exception of fau, I feel like he left FAU on. On relatively good terms. Right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Because they knew at some point, you

[Big T]

know, Lane was going to make his way back.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

But most places that Lane leaves, there's. There's like a trail of. I don't. I don't want to say destruction, but there's kind of chaos that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Largely of his own doing also.

[Big T]

Right. With. With usc? I don't know. Do we know what happened with USC

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

in terms of what.

[Big T]

Well, I know that he was fired on the tarmac.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

I know that, but I don't know that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So that's the only one he hasn't left voluntarily.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

At Tennessee, he had the. The press conference at 2 in the morning and. And scurried out the back door, obviously, everything at Ole Miss last year. So, yeah, he doesn't make it easier on himself. And then he goes into Vanity Fair and says, everyone there's racist.

[Big T]

I. He didn't say everyone there's racist. I understand what he said, because what happens with all these, we end up, like, having an argument about something about the argument about something about the argument with this. He said that recruits would tell him, hey, coach, we really like you, but my grandparents aren't letting me move to Oxford, Mississippi.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He said the school did not distance itself from old Southern imagery.

[Big T]

You know, wasn't Faulkner. Was he from Oxford?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know if he's from Oxford. He's from Mississippi.

[Big T]

Mississippi. You know how you could tell, like, Faulkner would get more drunk over the course of a chapter as he was writing? So by the end of the chapter, you're like, what is this guy even talking about? Because he's had. He's had his whiskey. Lane Kiffin, he's doing yoga now. He just. He gets more woke over the course of every interview. So at the end of every interview now, he's talking about latent racism in Mississippi and how we can. How we can solve it. He gets more progressive as the interview goes on.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, Fat Lane would have never said that.

[Big T]

No, no, Fat Lane would not have. Fat Lane would have been like. It's about tradition, period.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Skinny Lane probably would have said that six months ago, too.

[Big T]

Yep. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If the checks are clearing for sure.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Faulkner's from New Albany, Mississippi.

[Big T]

Okay, where. Where about is that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm looking.

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[Big T]

Do you have a favorite author, Zach?

[Zach]

Favorite author?

[Big T]

It's okay.

[Zach]

I don't think I've read enough books to have a favorite author. I dabble in books sometimes, but as far as, like, a standalone favorite, like, go to writer, I wouldn't. I don't think I'd have one.

[Big T]

What books did you like in school?

[Zach]

I used to collect the Goosebumps books. Because those had holographic covers.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

In full transparency. I didn't read them. I did collect all the covers except for, like, three.

[Big T]

And they felt cool, right?

[Zach]

Yeah, they had, like. Some of them had texture, and they were almost exclusively holographic, so, you know, those are, like, fun to, like, look at. Jerry.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Mike Lupica.

[Zach]

What was that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Mike Lupica.

[Zach]

Is that a guy? No, probably not.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, Zach, you got to go read the Lupicas.

[Zach]

What is it? We're talking science fiction, fantasy?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, they're all. They're all children's sports novels. They're about, like, a kid who. Who gets to throw the halftime, like, $50,000 throw at the Patriots game. And, like, the. I think there's one called Summer Ball. It's about, like, an AAU basketball team. They're very, very good books.

[Zach]

I've lived a Lupica life up till now, but I'm down to ch.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you should read those. What other ones?

[Big T]

What about, like, mandatory reading in school? Did you like any of those books?

[Zach]

I didn't So I didn't. I didn't do much of the mandatory reading in school. Yeah, I did. I've read the Lemme Snicket series.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Is that what it's called?

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

They have the textured edges on the book. You know how they do.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're big into texture.

[Zach]

You know what I'm referring to, though. The books have the crimped edges.

[Big T]

I do know what you mean.

[Zach]

That entire series does.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're really big into texture.

[Zach]

I think that's part of a reading experience for sure.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

You like to feel the book.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So you'd never. You'd never read a Kindle? Not that woke.

[Zach]

No, we got. Yeah, we got better Kindles already.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You like ink under your fingernails?

[Zach]

Yeah. If we're going to read a book, it needs to be fully immersive. I need to feel like I'm doing something studious.

[Big T]

Yeah. What about Animorphs? Did you read those?

[Zach]

No.

[Big T]

You know the ones I'm talking about?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That seems up your alley.

[Big T]

They were like the rival, in a way to Goosebumps. Those were the ones that, on the COVID it had like a human turning into an animal.

[Zach]

I've seen those. I think one of my friends had those, like, it's like a man goat or like a second cousin horse, stuff like that. Yeah, I've seen those.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah, those. Those might be the next iteration of books that you would want to collect.

[Zach]

Probably should get into reading, though. They say it's good for your vocabulary. Extends your. That way you're not so limited. You have like a. You can speak better verbose. See, I'll get to verbose through reading. Exactly.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Do you. So what do you think about audiobooks? Are those less studious?

[Zach]

I tried the audiobook because I was like, this is probably great. You have a little bit of a road trip through the audiobook. I have a hard time retaining the audiobook in full transparency.

[Big T]

You go through like two minutes and you're like, I didn't hear anything.

[Zach]

What do we listen to?

[Big T]

Yeah, sometimes I do that with. With just regular books, too. I'll get to the end of the page and I'll realize I did not pay attention at all to, like, the entire thing. I just read.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Reading comprehensive time. That would be.

[Zach]

Reading comprehension is slippery.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So did you go to the book fair as a kid?

[Zach]

I did go to the book fair. Love the book fair.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd do any. Give me two more weeks of COVID but with no Covid and a book fair, and I'll be good to go.

[Zach]

Were you more of like a scented eraser guy or a poster guy?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Poster. I still remember the Jeff Francour poster I got at the Scholastic Book Fair. I'm sure I got some other sports ones, but, yeah, big into the posters. Not as much into the knickknacks. I would do books, too. I'd get some good books, but big poster. Were you like an eraser guy? The wacky pencils.

[Zach]

I enjoyed them. The different variations of mechanical pencils. Yeah, I did.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, you know what I did like the pins with the multicolor ink.

[Zach]

Those are fun.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. That you could. Had all the colors on the top.

[Zach]

You're inevitably going to get in trouble for clicking that way too much, though. It's easy to play with the hands, of course.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, that's what they wanted.

[Big T]

And then you. You would break them because you click them too much.

[Zach]

Definitely.

[Big T]

Like, you try to put two of them down at the same time, and then that whole thing gets screwed up.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Is the Scholastic Book Fair still going?

[Big T]

I don't know. But whoever the CEO of Scholastic Books is needs a goddamn raise. This guy. Have I gone on my Scholastic Book Fair rant on this show before?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I mean, we've been going so long now, there's no telling.

[Big T]

I mean, I don't even know that I have, like, a Scholastic. You would know if I had done my scholars.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Neither of us recall. So go for it.

[Big T]

Whoever it is that was in charge of Scholastic Books when they figured out a way to deputize every child in America as a book salesman for their company is a goddamn genius. They're like, once a year in every school, we're going to turn every student kindergarten through sixth grade into a book salesman under the Scholastic umbrella. That's not getting paid. They created a pyramid scheme where nobody else gets paid. It's actually like, a genius opportunity. It's like, oh, wait, you don't want to have the book fair in your school. Guess you guys hate reading. Guess you don't want your kids to learn how to read.

[Zach]

He figured out, like, sophisticated child labor.

[Big T]

Yeah. That dude is a. He's a genius. And I need to know, like, when that started, how it started, because the book fair was. It was an event. And I remember. Yeah, I don't think I spent too much money on actual books. It was mostly like, you know, they would have, like, some sports magazines that I would get. I'm trying to remember what else they would have. Like, yeah, the erasers were really big, but, yeah, they.

[Zach]

How.

[Big T]

How much money in revenue does Scholastic Books do? Per book or for their entire book fair catalog? I wonder.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know. But I'm signing up to be notified of the next time there's a book fair in our zip code.

[Big T]

What, were they open to the public?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't think so. But, I mean, what would happen if

[Big T]

she just went to an elementary school? That's a good question.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

If you just showed up at the office and we're like, hey, heard the book fairs today.

[Big T]

I mean, doing a book fair at barstool sports would be kind of fun.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Can we get them in here?

[Big T]

Yeah, please.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Can we. Can we call the. The Big Horse?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, that'd be a good video. That would be awesome.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That would be sick.

[Zach]

Now, do you bring in Scholastic or do you figure out how to make a rival.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, no, no. We need the professionals to do this.

[Zach]

Fair enough.

[Big T]

The company says it runs more than 97,000 book fairs per year.

[Unknown Guest]

Holy mackerel.

[Big T]

Reaching over 30 million shares.

[Unknown Guest]

90,000.

[Big T]

In just one recent quarter, book fair revenue was $110 million. Holy shit.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Wow.

[Big T]

Yes. They are geniuses. This is. I think what they do is they probably. It sounds like they give some of the money back to the schools that they bring in through the book fair, but, I mean, they're raking it in. They wouldn't do that for free.

[Zach]

I don't know about you guys, but when the book fair came to my elementary schools, they just. It was like, almost like a traveling circus. They came in cases and they would just open them up and they could just shut down and keep it moving.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They got, like, a concert.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That they carry all their stuff in.

[Big T]

They got carnies, but for books, definitely. Like carnival workers. That's probably what the carnival workers do in the off season.

[Zach]

Oh, do you think you travel with this with Scholastic, or do you think they just bring in, like, a local guy or local woman?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think Scholastic has their own operation.

[Big T]

Yeah, they send their people town to town. Like, put them up in some hotels.

[Zach]

I'm in Iowa this weekend and six Scholastics.

[Big T]

And, you know, those people definitely are fucking too. Like, if you go on the road for the book fair, there's some. There's some stuff going on behind the scenes.

[Zach]

Yeah. I guess if you. If you could go back to Scholastic Book Fair as an adult and you just realize that the guy checking you out is violently hungover.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And, like, hitting on the woman next to him, it's like, this is. You guys have tarnished a book fair.

[Big T]

Yeah. So wait, I remember you from the state fair. Three months Ago you were the guy that was running the Gravitron. Now. Now you're manning the colored marker station.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

My great grandmother, who's my favorite person of all time, I would always be sure to mention, like when we were over at her house, like, bobby, you know, the book fair is coming up pretty soon. I'm pretty excited about it. Then she'd slip me a little, little 20 bucks on the way out.

[Unknown Guest]

Did you not have it where? Like the Scholastic Book Fair at my school is like a week long event and one of the days was like parent lunch where you could have an adult come in and eat lunch with you and then they take you to the book fair. Then it's unlimited funds.

[Big T]

No, that's.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That would have been worse for me.

[Unknown Guest]

Why?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

If my parents were there, I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have been able to get

[Unknown Guest]

away with what it must have been. It must have been all week. It must have been like every day, like whoever could come in, because I would have my one set of grandparents come one day, my other set of grandparents come another day. Maybe if my mom could get off of work at lunch, she would come. I was like hitting it up. Their debit cards were not stopping.

[Big T]

That's so smart.

[Unknown Guest]

It was awesome. And then they would bring you like McDonald's for lunch.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What?

[Unknown Guest]

Then they would bring you outside lunch. We didn't have hot lunch at my grade school. So then it would be like, grandma and grandpa are coming to lunch with whatever it was called lunch. They get to bring me outside lunch and I go to the Scholastic Book Fair.

[Big T]

Did you go to school in a prison? Like you didn't have. You didn't have hot lunch?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Didn't have chicken nugget day? Pizza day?

[Unknown Guest]

We had. So, I mean, my school was terribly, terribly poor. It closed. I was the last guy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Doesn't sound like it. You've got kids eating McDonald's?

[Unknown Guest]

Well, because the parents bringing the school doesn't provide the McDonald's.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I understand, but.

[Unknown Guest]

But we didn't have any hot lunch. And so every Wednesday. My school is very small, so every Wednesday they would cater a different thing. So it would be like Burger King day.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You just said they didn't do that.

[Unknown Guest]

No, no, no. But we didn't have like a hot lunch. Like, I couldn't go.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, it's just every Wednesday was Burger King.

[Unknown Guest]

It was Burger King hot dog hot dog day. Oh, God, Pizza day. And it was like a rotation. But I didn't have like the ability on like a Tuesday or a Thursday to be like, oh, oh, I didn't pack lunch this morning. I'm going to go get chicken nuggets and fries. Then you're shit out of luck.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

See at my elementary school it was, there was an expectation if an adult came to eat lunch with you that they would buy ice cream for the whole class.

[Big T]

For the entire class.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, because it was 50 cents, so it'd be, you know, what, 10 bucks.

[Big T]

Okay, so.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So if an adult came and didn't buy everyone ice cream, they were reviled.

[Big T]

Yeah, I can imagine.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And so the kids would make it and like hey, it's kind of, you kind of gotta. If you buy ice cream for everybody.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Because then you don't want to be the kid that's parent or adult isn't buying ice cream.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right. So my uncle told me it's a dollar now at his kids school for ice cream. Yeah. Like so it's been a hundred percent inflation in 20 years. Like an eclair bar, it was like those little, you know, the little cups of ice cream with the wooden spoon. Yeah.

[Big T]

We had eclair, Nutty Buddies cookies and cream in the little cups. And sometimes, occasionally we'd have popsicles as well. Strawberry eclairs too.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Then at my middle school we had a slushy machine.

[Zach]

What? Yeah, slushy machine. One flavor, two flavors.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was two or three I think.

[Unknown Guest]

How did you give a 12 year old a slushie and then ask them to continue on with their day?

[Big T]

I bet Michelle Obama got rid of that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I was, I was long gone but by the time, well she may have just, just come into to office but. Yeah, I'm sure it's gone now.

[Big T]

Damn.

[Zach]

We did chocolate milk, strawberry milk and regular milk. I thought that was like a hit. But slushing machines all time.

[Big T]

Yeah. The slush puppy, you had strawberry milk too.

[Zach]

Yeah, we had like a trio.

[Big T]

Now did, did the lunch ladies ever say like you have to occasionally not get chocolate milk or strawberry milk? Like you have to get regular milk? Sometimes they would.

[Zach]

If you, depending on when you went to lunch they would kind of run out like so then there'd be like six crates of the, of the regular milk. Maybe one crate of the chocolate left. You kind of like kind of pick your pocket and try to get in there.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Pft. I have some startling news. Not only did Michelle shut down the slushie, she closed the whole school.

[Big T]

The entire school's closed down.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Chapman Intermediate School was, was shut down in 2014.

[Big T]

She was like this is a big problem.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Yeah. They put A stop to that real quick.

[Big T]

Have to close down the entire district.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

She put too much sugar.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, it was. It was. That school was just fifth and sixth grade, so I assume they. They absorbed those into, like, the elementary and middle schools.

[Big T]

Yeah. Zach, did you ever have bag milk?

[Zach]

We didn't do bag milk. We did bag juice.

[Big T]

Bag juice?

[Zach]

Yeah. Okay, so like, apple juice, Apple and orange juice. Then you could just bite the corner, kind of suck on it.

[Big T]

Oh, okay. So it was like you bite the corner off, and then that becomes, like, a handheld pouch.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Big T]

Of juice. Okay. And you.

[Zach]

Are you doing the full bag milk? You mean, like when they drop it in the. The pitcher?

[Big T]

No, the. The bag. The bags of milk that we had, and we only had them for, like, a year. I want to say it's maybe like, 5 inches by 5 inch squares of milk, and it was in a. Like, a plastic pouch, and you would put it down on the table, and then you would take the straw and you would poke a hole just into the middle of the bag, and then you would just drink out of that bag as opposed to drinking out of, like, a cardboard carton of milk. And then they got rid of those after about, I'd say, six months, maybe less, because all we were doing was just, like, blowing them up and popping them, and it was just. Yeah, it was a mess because they would pop. If you put, like, a bag of milk underneath. Like, you know, anything that's heavy, if you stack something on top of it, they all just explode and get everywhere.

[Zach]

Yeah, that. We. We had the same thing for juice, and kids would put them, like, under the toilet seats, and you'd sit down and you get juiced.

[Big T]

That's a great idea.

[Zach]

Yeah, terrible. Unless you get juiced.

[Big T]

And if you get juiced, then it's sticky.

[Zach]

It's no good.

[Big T]

It gets everywhere.

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[Big T]

All right. Hey, that's good. That's good elementary school talk.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You know what? You can do one more thing that I. I did this when we lived in New York once. There's a website. You can order like from the wholesale distributors that the schools get all their lunch stuff from. So you can order like the square pizzas or the. The Bosco sticks. Did y' all Bosco sticks?

[Big T]

We did not have the Bosco sticks.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Bosco stick. Have you. You had Bosco sticks?

[Zach]

I had them for a year.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So the Bosco. Michelle shut those down real quick. It's a. It's just a breadstick with cheese in it heated up. It's amazing. And. And so I bought those. I bought some other stuff. And you can just buy from the distributors that the schools get them from.

[Big T]

That sounds pretty incredible.

[Zach]

Yeah, I feel you got to have good, like, freezer square footage for that, though. You had a reach in. You had like a.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I had it. My apartment in New York was 60% kitchen. I had a big kitchen that was nice. Well, but I didn't want that. I would. I would rather have had. Not to climb over my bed to get to the bathroom. But. So, yeah, I had a. I had a solid sized freezer. You know where we have a lot of freezer space here? Right here.

[Big T]

Can we get like a lunch lady?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I want. I want the school lunches and I want a scholastic book fair in here this summer.

[Big T]

If we got. If we had school lunches every day with like a lunch, maybe a couple

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

lunch ladies, there would have to be one that's kind of mean and one that's nice.

[Big T]

Yep. And then you need somebody that was like, in charge of the lunchroom so in case things got out of here.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

A monitor?

[Big T]

Yeah, a lunch monitor. To like blow their whistle at us or turn the lights off if things got bad to turn this whole place into an elementary school. Not a bad idea.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Then we'd have to go on quiet lunch. You never want that.

[Big T]

You don't want that. No.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You got to talk to your guy about the book fair.

[Big T]

I'll talk to him about that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I can, I can. Nick's the lunches. We gotta have the book fair.

[Big T]

Okay, we'll see if we need a book fair. Do they do adult book fairs?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, that's. That has a different connotation.

[Big T]

Well, not not like adult magazines, but I mean, magazines for adults and things for adults.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know. I. I've never heard of such.

[Big T]

Okay, we'll have to look into this.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I want the. I want posters and erasers, though.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, posters. Like, sports memorabilia, a lot of that kind of stuff.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This. If we could get some bobbleheads, maybe some 2002, like, team media guides, things like that.

[Big T]

Okay. Fun pens.

[Zach]

They do do adult book fairs in the form of, like, Pampered Chef or, like, Mary Kay. Those feel like adult book fairs. You know, show up to your homegirl's house, she's like, hey, we have this spread here. Everybody check it out.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Cut coat knives.

[Big T]

Oh, get some knives.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, Tupperware.

[Zach]

Those kind of feel like book fairs.

[Big T]

Yeah, those knives were good. All right. Anyways, we got some more stuff to talk about today.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd love if we didn't. Could we just keep doing this?

[Big T]

Yeah, we could.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, it's fine.

[Big T]

The hantavirus thing. We should say the hantavirus that's in Illinois. I don't think that's the bad. I mean, it's bad hantavirus, but I don't think that it's, like, the one that is spread person to person, so that's good.

[Zach]

So how long until you guys think they just shut it down?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Three weeks.

[Zach]

It feels like we're running the same playbook back.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yep.

[Big T]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it's gonna. I don't think it's gonna reach that spot. Because it doesn't. It's not, like, as contagious. It's just like, if you got them. If you find mouse poop in your house, just clean your house.

[Zach]

But is there opportunity in people shutting it down? Like, is this a good. Is this a good enough reason for whoever could be opportunistic in shutting things down to shut things down?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, here's the thing, Zach. You got guys like you and me on the front lines. We're not going to let that happen. We're not getting shut down.

[Zach]

I'll go in the house so quick,

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Big T. I guess we did just say we would. We would give it all up for two more weeks if it was.

[Big T]

If it was a 40% fatality rate. We're going to try to shut it down, but I don't think that people will shut it down.

[Zach]

That's terrifying.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's what this is. The Chilean or the Andes Hantavirus.

[Zach]

That's no good. That's too many. Percentage of fatality yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What percent are you comfortable with? Like 12.

[Zach]

Past 12? 13.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm probably out once we're in the teens.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So you think like 1 out of 10 chance you're going to just. We'll just roll the dice.

[Zach]

Those are fair odds. Yeah. Like, if that's what's given to me, it's like, okay, I can. I'm okay with this. 40%. I'm freaking out.

[Big T]

Yeah, 40%.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think 9 to 10 is a big jump for me. Once you hit double digits. Double digits, I think nine. One out of 11. Fine.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Once you get to one out of 10, I mean, that's a whole. It's a whole less person.

[Big T]

Yeah. Hopefully we don't get there, but I think what we're seeing right now is, like, people in the news. Anything hantavirus related, they're. They're going to be reporting on it. Even though, like, buried in this article it says that this is the North American strain which the individual is believed to have potentially acquired, is not spread from person to person. It's different from the Andy strain associated with the cruise ship. And they think that that patient, patient zero on that cruise ship was a guy that was really to bird watching. Because bird watchers, they'll go to. They go to landfills because that's where a lot of birds go. Because there's like, all that garbage and food they can have. And also at landfills, you get a lot of like, rats and mice and rodents, and that's where they come across the poop. I've never really got into bird watching. I don't really understand. I like looking at birds and being like, that's a cool bird. But I don't get the people that have, like, the checklists that have to go on, like, vacations to, to try to fill them all.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Bird searchers you're out on.

[Big T]

Yeah, bird search.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You and I can be a bird watcher. Yeah, nice bird.

[Big T]

Great bird.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like, if you come across one. But it's when you go searching for

[Big T]

the birds, there's not nothing more pleasurable on a road trip than to be like, there's a hawk. You're driving down the road. There's a hawk on that telephone stand. Telephone pole. Look at it. Red tail hawk. You ever do that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm sure inadvertently they point out hawks to people.

[Big T]

You ever do that, Zach?

[Zach]

I mean, you see a big bird, you gotta point it out. Hawk. Vulture.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's eagle.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't like vultures.

[Big T]

We got a hawk up there.

[Zach]

I don't necessarily like Them either. But if you're just walking into the gas station off a road trip, trying to grab some snacks and you see a vulture, it's hard not to be like, right, oh, she had a vulture.

[Big T]

Right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't like big birds. Except. No, except for big bird fan of his.

[Big T]

Did I ever tell you about. I did. I talked about the. The parrot that we had in our house growing up for a couple years. Jimmy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't recall my dad had a

[Big T]

parrot for a couple years.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, yeah, that hated you.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, he hated everyone.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

Yeah. He only respected my dad. But his. His cage was right up against the wall and the windows in our kitchen. And so sometimes there would be like a hawk that would go into the backyard, and Jimmy would sometimes see this hawk through the window and he would hide in his cage from the hawk because, like, instinctually, he knew that. That that hawk meant business.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And it was going, yeah, that makes sense. Did he speak English?

[Big T]

No, Jimmy never said any words.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, good, I'm out on that. I don't like that.

[Zach]

We had a parrot for a couple of years named was Sinbad. And when my dad would go to work, he'd go, bye, Joe. And then we'd come back and go, hi, Joe.

[Big T]

Really?

[Zach]

Yeah. He bit everyone in the family but me because I wouldn't hold him because he was mean.

[Big T]

Yeah, parrots are. What kind of bird? What kind of parrot?

[Zach]

I think it was a blue macaw is the name of the bird. Okay, I could be incorrect, but it blew something, maybe macaw something.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And they got those weird tongues. I don't like those tongues. Oh, dude.

[Zach]

It's like a thermometer in there.

[Big T]

Is this what it looked like?

[Zach]

No, it was like yellow and blue a little bit. And he was so mean. But he was also in the kitchen up against the windows.

[Big T]

I don't know what it is about.

[Zach]

Duck his head.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I do like that. I do like when they.

[Zach]

It's pretty fun.

[Big T]

Yeah, like that kind of bird.

[Zach]

Oh, yes. Like to the right there. Yes.

[Big T]

Okay, so it's a classic parrot. Like when we think of, like, cartoon parrots.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's a big Jimmy Buffett guy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So that is a Jimmy Buffett Paris. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah, they're. They're cool looking birds. But yeah, when they start talking, it's.

[Zach]

It's kind of freaky.

[Big T]

Is that all that a new hi, Joe Bijo.

[Zach]

It was just hi, Joe by Joe. And he just. I think it was just the work clothes because he wore the same, like, work stripes every day.

[Big T]

But yeah, that's kind of crazy. And when you left, it wouldn't talk to you at all?

[Zach]

No, I didn't interact with the bird very much. I knew he was not. He was no good, and I didn't want to get bit.

[Big T]

Yeah, so parrots are. They're kind of like my. My dad's parrot would just climb off of his shoulder, walk over to me on the couch, bite me, and then walk back to him.

[Zach]

No redeeming quality there.

[Big T]

No redeeming quality whatsoever.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm out on birds and reptiles. I don't. I don't do those.

[Big T]

Yeah, reptiles. That's a. You got to be a special kind of guy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, when I was a kid, my uncle had an iguana, and then somehow it got pawned off on us. I don't recall how we ended up with the iguana, but my parents put it in my room. And those things sit under heat lamps that are. I mean, I lived in a room that was hotter than hell in half of Georgia for three years. Yeah, it's terrible. I hate. I hate iguanas.

[Big T]

I think with reptiles and with birds, it just seems I'd kind of be. I'd be an. If I was them, too. If I was a bird and I was, like, living in a cage all day, that's pretty tough.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like, Fair enough.

[Big T]

A normal bird. The world is your. You can fly, you can go anywhere you want. You have the best superpower. And then in captivity, you're like, okay, I'm living in a shoebox right now. I'd be a.

[Zach]

You took her whole. Their Whole life away.

[Big T]

Yeah, I'd be an. If I was a parrot.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So did your parrot ever fly around?

[Big T]

Yeah, sometimes. Like, if we didn't clip his wings. Because you got to clip some of the feathers on their wings so they don't fly away. He would fly.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, so you were cutting off his wings, too?

[Big T]

The feathers.

[Zach]

We gotta clip the wing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No wonder he was an.

[Big T]

Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. Like, I. I get why parrots are. Now that I'm thinking about it, but. Yeah, he would. He would try to fly around sometimes, and he would be able to, like, glide across the room, but, like, you know, on a downward trajectory. If he started off on a bookshelf

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

looking for the nearest airport.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'd be landing, like, a glider. But then, you know, if you. If we waited too long to cut the feathers, he was capable sometimes of, like, flying around the room and dive bombing. You, like, landing on your shoulder, biting your neck and then flying away. He was a real. But again, I get it. I think most parents are like that. They grow. They respect one person and that's their person.

[Zach]

Yeah. It was like he. My dad was just like the not keeper of the pair, but like they were best friends and everybody else just didn't exist. And if they. If he noticed you exist, it's attack mode. It's on site. I didn't want anything to do with that. Yep.

[Big T]

That's how they operated. Big T, do you have anything to. To say to me about the. About the Wizards?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Congrats. I saw they got the number one pick.

[Big T]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Who do you want them to take?

[Big T]

Debancer.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

Thanks for asking. Yeah. And just ask me about the Wizards whenever you feel like it.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're. You're 100 Wizards now.

[Big T]

100 back in.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right. So out of your. Here's your. Your pie. Right. So you have commanders, Wizards, mats, caps. Yeah.

[Big T]

It's big pie.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So. So what percentage. What. What did the Wizards go from to the Wizards?

[Big T]

Went from about 1%, maybe less than 1%. And it. I. I think this is fair on my part. Maybe. Maybe you feel otherwise, but when I was growing up, I was. I was a die hard Wizards fan. I would go to Wizards games. Probably went to as many Wizards games growing up as I did Caps games. I'd watch the Wizards on TV all the time. They were like my basketball team. I remember when they changed the name to the Wizards. I remember when we got Michael Jordan. Remember that? Everything about him. And then sometime around I would say it started when our two best players tried to shoot each other. I kind of. I kind of had to just say no more Wizards. Just put. Just bury them and just say this team has. Has never done anything to shot him to. Yeah. To warn my. I took him out back. Yeah. And I said this team has never done anything to warrant any attention that I've ever given him through my entire life. I remember I did go to one playoff series. I think it was heat wizards back in 2005. And I paid my chest. I forget what letter I was was. But me and two of my buddies, we did wiz. Nice. But they were. If it was the Z, that would be. That would be a very funny visual given like the Russian invasion and what they do. Their tanks. If. If somebody could track down that picture of me. I'm like Russian. They label all their. With a giant Z. Ah. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Know that. Why is that?

[Big T]

Don't really know. Don't really know. But I. I was a Wizards fan, and then I said, no more Wizards. I. I paid attention in the John Wall era because for, you know, a couple seasons, we had Wall. We had Bradley Beal when he was good, and it was like, oh, we might put together something interesting here. I mean, that. When we had Paul Pierce and. And that whole crew, that was. That was an interesting team, but really, for the most part, they've been completely irrelevant for my entire life. And when I say my entire life, the last time they had 50 wins in a season was 1979. So that's pretty bad.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So technically never. Because that would have been the Bullets.

[Big T]

That would have been the Bullets. And that would have been off the heels of winning an NBA championship. They were good in the 70s.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

People are asking if the name change really took things on a downward spiral. Should they change names again?

[Big T]

I would be. Yeah. I love the name Bullets.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't think they can go back to Bullets, though.

[Big T]

I say bring it back. I would be completely fine with it

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

if they had to do something else. What would you want?

[Big T]

I mean, if they're gonna stick with Wizards, I would like them to lean into the wizard imagery a little bit. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Cause they got. Because now they're just the red, white, and blue. They're the. They're the monuments.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I think they steered away from the Wizards because they're, like. This is kind of cartoonish, and the entire aesthetic is, like, late 90s, early 2000s, angular, futuristic. We don't like that anymore. So let's just do classic red, white, and blue. And at least they're the same colors as the cat, as the caps owned by the same guy, Ted Leonis. So I. I would be fine with leaning into, like, some hardcore wizard imagery. You know, like, call the. Call the stadium the Crystal Ball. I don't know.

[Zach]

That would be fun.

[Big T]

Like, have a giant guy with a beard that comes out before the game. And, like, in the intros, he's got his magic wand. He's, like, firing it at the players.

[Zach]

And you don't do T shirts. You do cloaks.

[Big T]

Oh, cloaks. Yeah, cloaks and capes.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What if they bought the rights to the Washington Generals from. From the Globetrotters?

[Big T]

In theory, I don't hate that. But the problem is the Washington Generals, they, like.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They never win.

[Big T]

They just got their ass kicked.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, what better team to.

[Big T]

That's the. That's the old Wizards.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

So I'm explaining to you my journey with the Wizards, because I did. I did grow up loving them, and then I kind of stopped paying attention in the early 2000s. And then. Or sorry, early 2010s. And then John Wall came. That whole team was a little bit fun. Then he tore his Achilles. Then it was just like, okay, no, there's no point in paying attention. Then three years ago, we got the guys from the Thunder, the old executives like Winger and I was like, we've got a plan in place. And the plan was correct. The plan is the plan that the Thunder did, that the Sixers did. You have to try to be bad in the NBA. That's the only. You have to tear. You have to do a complete tear. Excuse me, tear down of your franchise, which they did. And that included bringing in guys like Jordan Poole, who you know is like, okay, this guy might have some fun highlights every now and again, but he's a perfect guy that you want. If you want your team to be bad and you say you just get your points, go out there, get your points however you want. Jordan, and then he'll go out, he'll go like 17 for 40 and you'll lose by 14 points. That's exactly who you want. So now we have a good team that we're building up. I think we've got elements of a good team. And I think with the number one pick and Anthony Davis, if he's healthy, I think we're being awesome. And then Zach and I are working together on a new project. It's called the Whistler. So new social media phenomenon.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

We're just going to do Wizards facts and like Wizards updates on Tick Tock.

[Zach]

Just deep Wizards news, you know, also

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

if on the team or Wizards in

[Zach]

general, that's a moving target. But so far the team.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, but it could expand.

[Zach]

I don't. I mean, it just. I mean, just depends.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

There's a lot of different kind of wizards out there.

[Zach]

Like what if the. What if the basketball team leans into the Wizards?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Zach]

And then it would be almost a disservice of us not to do the same.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, right.

[Big T]

And also any Rizzler updates too, as well. Rizzler news counts.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Haven't heard from him.

[Big T]

That's why it's a great news source to have like one. One place to go for your Rizzler updates.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

AJ And Big justice are trying to make a comeback right now.

[Zach]

They never left.

[Big T]

Yeah. What do you mean?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What are we talking about?

[Zach]

You saw the new home. Beautiful home.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I have not seen the new home.

[Zach]

Oh, a gorgeous home.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did you work here when they were here?

[Zach]

I did not. I missed.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was a magical Day.

[Zach]

Yeah, it would have been, what, a day.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, we boomed together.

[Big T]

That's.

[Zach]

That's. That's all time.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was special.

[Zach]

You're gonna take that with you for the rest of your life.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I've got a vid. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. It's. That's your timelines, as two guys can get. Yeah.

[Zach]

Your timeline is now pre boom and post boom.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Now, pft. You said that you were talking about fun facts about the wizard. You said that you came in here today with a list of fun facts for us.

[Big T]

I did.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd love to hear some.

[Big T]

You want to hear some fun facts?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Are these just all ranging?

[Big T]

Yeah, it's. It's from Ramon Nazibov on x dot com. The everything app. It's all happening on X. Oh, he follows me. That's cool. He also follows 346,000 other people. All right, Ramen. Ramen.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Trying to make. Make sure that's not some sort of. Say it again.

[Big T]

Ramen Nas above. R A M I N N a

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

S I B O V. I was trying to make sure that wasn't a Ben Dover situation.

[Big T]

Oh, gotcha.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Ramen.

[Big T]

You know, Ram Minas. Above. Yeah, Ramon ass above. Anyways, he's a branding and visual identity designer, whatever that means. And he tweeted out what historical fact. Sounds fake, but it's true. And so I was just reading some of these, and I was. A couple of them. Blew my mind.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd love to have my mind blown.

[Big T]

Okay, mathematically, no two people have ever shuffled a deck of cards.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, that. See, I knew. And I asked Zach, did I not ask when he came in here? I said, are these good facts or are they bad? And you told me they were good.

[Zach]

Wait, we didn't even see where he didn't get to land that plane.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's that no deck of cards has ever been shuffled the same way. 52 factorial. Everyone knows that. I'm disappointed.

[Big T]

Did you know that?

[Zach]

I hate to. I hate to do this, but I. I mean, I would have assumed at least one time there's the same day.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I mean, it's possible, but it's remarkably unlikely. You know what 52 factorial means, Zach?

[Zach]

Again, we're getting to some things.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You don't know.

[Big T]

I don't know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So the first card could be any one of 52, right?

[Big T]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Second card could be anyone of 51.

[Big T]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Third, 50, so on and so forth. So the number of the possibility of that card is 52 times 51 times 50 times 49 times 48, so on and so forth. And it's some number that you could never possibly reach.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

If you wanted to.

[Zach]

But this fact is just like the 9 coincidence. Because like. Yeah, come on. There maybe one time.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I mean, we don't know, but it is. It. Does it have the number on there?

[Big T]

I didn't see the number, but it did say mathematically.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

Meaning that it probably. It probably has happened, but mathematically it should never happen. But I think if you take out a brand new set of cards and then you shuffle those by hand like they're in the. They're in the same order when you take them out of the deck. So I think that maybe on that first shuffle we've had some instances where yes, it has happened.

[Zach]

It kind of. It kind of. It's almost a layup. It puts you in line for. You get. Right.

[Big T]

Yes. Yeah. Cuts the odds a little bit.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Hang on, I'm trying to find is ChatGPT. How many seconds is 52 factorial in years? It's some astronomical.

[Big T]

How many seconds.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's. Okay. How many seconds is 52 factorial denoted in years? I got you 52 factorial seconds is. It gives the number. I don't even know what it is. Roughly 10 to the 50th power times the age of the universe.

[Big T]

Wow. Okay, so it's like the oldest thing you could ever imagine.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's a number you could never fathom.

[Big T]

See, isn't this. That's. This is my.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Everyone knows that.

[Big T]

I didn't know it. Mad Dog McKenzie. Did you know it?

[Unknown Guest]

I have not heard that before. I. I've heard of a factorial a long time ago.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Everyone knows the deck of cards. Everyone knows the cards.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right. I hope these get better.

[Big T]

Okay. The T. Rex lived closer in time to us than it did to the stegosaurus.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's a mildly interesting fact.

[Zach]

Other dinosaurs.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting.

[Zach]

Do you guys think dinosaurs are displayed how they really are?

[Big T]

I. I remain skeptical, but I.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What do you mean by that?

[Zach]

I'm just curious because, like, we do big, we dig up the bones, but we make a lot of assumptions as far as, like, where they go and the flesh that covers those bones. I'm just curious if you guys think, like, the images we get of dinosaurs are really what, dinosaurs?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But they've been able to recreate them pretty well. I think we have the. Zach, do you know we have the largest complete dinosaur skeleton in the world in Chicago?

[Zach]

I did not know that. But I think we take a lot of liberties on what that skeleton looks like.

[Big T]

Where. Where is this skeleton located?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

At the. The Field Museum.

[Big T]

And what is it?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's. It's a T. Rex, right?

[Big T]

I don't know. I haven't seen it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I. I haven't either, but I know it's the largest complete skeleton in the world.

[Big T]

I. I agree with Zach, though. I. I don't know. I think when they're unearthing the bones, they have a pretty good idea what rib bone is, like, what a leg bone looks like compared to a finger bone. But I think they take a lot of liberties with the skin and the

[Zach]

outside, like, the appearance, like, the flesh and, like, maybe the. I agree.

[Big T]

Yeah, it could. They could have feathers for all we know, but when we see them, they're just. It's like lizards, like scales.

[Zach]

Yeah. We. We went one narrative on this, on the. On the skin type and ran with it. As opposed to, like, you think dinosaurs had facial hair or do you think they had.

[Big T]

That's a good. I've never thought of that. Like, if they had mustaches.

[Zach]

Yeah. Like, isn't that an adaptation? Right. For, like. Yeah, dust and stuff? So maybe they. Or, like, isn't a beard like, armor? Didn't we adapt beards for, like, getting hit in the face?

[Big T]

Maybe for getting hit in the face, maybe for, like, filtering out dust or things like that, protecting your mouth.

[Zach]

So I could see maybe dinosaurs also going through those same struggles, especially living outside.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah. I've never thought of it. Some dinosaurs could have had, like, fur, and then that fur started to evolve and shrink, and they don't. Like, some are hairier than others, and

[Zach]

there's no way they're leaving that behind with the fossil.

[Big T]

No, no, that's just going away. Yeah, that. That goes into dust, but, yeah, a dinosaur with a beard would. I've never thought about that. But you might be right. You might be right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think I may have found a fact to redeem your first fact.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think it puts it in better perspective.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

If you took one step every billion years, starting from the Grand Canyon, and walked around the earth back to the Grand Canyon, taking one step every billion years and dropped a grain of sand into the Grand Canyon, then did it again, dropped another grain of sand, did that until you filled the Grand Canyon with individual grains of sand, taking one step every billion years, you would be less than 1% of the way to 52 factorial when you finished.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's insane. That's actually insane.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think that's.

[Big T]

That's a number that doesn't exist.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Correct.

[Big T]

Yeah. All right, Good fact.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

You just fact me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I. I redeemed your fact.

[Big T]

That's okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I supplemented.

[Big T]

It's okay. Nintendo, the company was founded in 1889. Did you know that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What were they, a textile company or something?

[Big T]

Actually the person didn't say what they were, but I can look it up right now.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That was the whole fact. I thought there was more coming.

[Big T]

No, Nintendo was founded in 18.

[Zach]

That's like 150 years ago. Big T. They do video games.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I know that, but like no way

[Zach]

they're doing video games 150 years ago.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right, but they just repurposed like a name.

[Big T]

It was games.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, they. So they play ball games playing cards. Okay.

[Big T]

Isn't that kind of interesting that like the same gaming company has existed?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You came in here and said these facts blew my mind.

[Big T]

I did not know that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

About a little older than you thought.

[Big T]

I did not think.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Next fact. I need there to be a good fact in here.

[Zach]

They're fun facts. We got to get you on the fun side of the facts.

[Big T]

Yeah. I think you're approaching it with the wrong mindset.

[Zach]

You got to come into these facts open arms.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

This next fact. I creed. Arms wide open.

[Big T]

You're approaching it with the wrong mindset.

[Zach]

Great wingspan.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Thank you.

[Big T]

So Nintendo, they would make these playing cards and then still on it, you would. You would play the games in like Yakuza restaurants and Yakuza parlors.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

Like going to the mafia place. And then you'd play your Nintendo.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right.

[Big T]

And then now it's still a gaming. That's not interesting to you at all.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's mildly interesting. One to ten, ten being mind blown. It's a two.

[Zach]

They went from yakuza to Mario.

[Big T]

Yeah. And some of the. Some of the cards had like the flower that Mario would run into later on. They kept some of that same imagery around.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, next fact.

[Big T]

And that's not interesting to you at all?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I told you it's a two. It's mildly interesting.

[Big T]

Okay. The bloodiest naval battle in history was actually not in any of the world wars. It was actually not even AD it was before Jesus. It was the Battle of Salamis between the Persians and the Greeks in 480 BC.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

Not impressive to you?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What next fact.

[Zach]

That's terrifying. Just because they didn't have a gun. So that's all hand to hand combat. Right. Every close quarters fight, like they would have to.

[Big T]

And just a shitload of ships just sinking to the bottom.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's better than Nintendo

[Zach]

oh, naval. You're right. So it's on sea. I was thinking on land. That's on me.

[Big T]

It was on the sea. One side had about 400 ships in the battle. The other had about 800 ships in the battle. 340 ships sunk in this one battle. That's. Is that not that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, that's something.

[Big T]

Is that something crazy to you?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Better than Nintendo?

[Big T]

Is that not crazy to you?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's pretty crazy. I. I'd love to see the. What the ships looked like.

[Big T]

Okay, you can look those up.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right, next fact.

[Big T]

There was one man in Japan who lived to age 93 that survived the atomic bomb at Hiroshima and the bomb at Nagasaki. He was in both cities when the bombs went off and survived.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Zach]

He's 20 against nukes.

[Big T]

Big T. That's not impressive. One man survived.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, it's. It's impressive for two nuclear blasts. These. Do you want me to. These are some. Some mom Facebook ass facts. Right now. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna be honest with you.

[Big T]

I don't. I. I don't know what else these are.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

These are facts that your mom sees on a Facebook, like, tile and reposts.

[Big T]

Here's.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Wow. Crazy.

[Zach]

I did.

[Big T]

I did know this. But maybe you didn't know it because you're not a shieldy like me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're correct. I'm not.

[Big T]

Yeah. Larry Fitzgerald has more tackles in his NFL career than drop passes.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I actually did know that. You. You got to give me. I was ready, dude. I was ready for insane facts, and you're giving me bubblegum rapper ass facts.

[Big T]

Zach, what do you think about these facts?

[Zach]

I mean, you can be honest in full transparency. The last fact was a guy beating out two nukes. That's inevitably. Or. That's very impressive.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd love to know, was he. Was he in the city limits or was he. It's a new.

[Big T]

These are fast.

[Zach]

We're talking.

[Big T]

Okay. What I should have said is, like, these are fast, fun facts.

[Zach]

Quick, fun quips.

[Big T]

Yes. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're doing. Did you know Hank Aaron would still have 3,000 hits if he never hit a home run? That's what you're doing right now.

[Big T]

And you don't find those impressive?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I do. It's impressive. Did you know Detroit's east of Atlanta?

[Big T]

I did know that, yes.

[Zach]

Is there a subgenre fact you'd have more fun with?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Big T. I liked where we were going with the. The before Christ naval battles.

[Big T]

Okay, how about this? The state of New Mexico was named before and is older than the country of Mexico.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd be intrigued to learn more about

[Big T]

New Mexico is older than Mexico. The name.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Explain that to me. That's.

[Big T]

That.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's all you got?

[Big T]

That's all I got again. These are quick, fun facts.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, hit me again. I liked where we were going there.

[Zach]

Wait, so how would they have New Mexico before? Original OG Mexico. How could you be the New Mexico? But you're the first Mexico.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm also seeing that this isn't entirely accurate.

[Big T]

I'm thinking that this was. There was a place called Mexico, but it wasn't a country called Mexico. And then New Mexico became a state or became a place and then the country of Mexico adopted the name of Mexico even though it had already been. Some parts had probably already been called. That's my guess.

[Zach]

They moved on from original Mexico, but then original Mexico made a big time second.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think so.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. It had been called Mexico since the 1500s, but it didn't gain independence and become the country of Mexico till 1821.

[Big T]

That's a fun fact, isn't it?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's. It's that I.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Keep. Give me some more.

[Big T]

Okay. Egyptian mummies used to be food and medicine for European kings and queens. They would import mummy bodies from Egypt and they would eat them and take them as medicine until the early 1900s. They're people eating mummies.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's an odd and interesting fact.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I thought these were going to be good.

[Zach]

Dude, that's an uncomfortable fact. Yeah, they're eating people for like Tylenol. That's what I mean. That's pretty good fact. I would have never. I'm gonna use that one.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

See, Zach. Zach kind of has to kiss your ass and tell you that these are great facts.

[Big T]

No, Mad Dog McKenzie.

[Zach]

That's not true. That's inaccurate and unfair to me. And these facts. I would just like to say royal families eating bodies.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's interesting.

[Zach]

To cure headaches is a fun.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But Zach, you were here when he pitched these facts. He said I was here. Mind blowing facts.

[Zach]

I think there's a world where you might just know more facts than me. My ability to be like, wow, that's a good fact. Could be a lower threshold than yours.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, but I don't know these. It's just like I was expecting. I was expecting mine blown and my mind is mildly peaked.

[Zach]

You could be fact flexing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm not. Because I don't know these facts. I did know the. I mean, the deck of cards. Like, bro, I mean that's elementary stuff.

[Zach]

But I, I think deck of cards in the room was one knew and then four didn't. So majority didn't know. That's not elementary.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, okay. You know what? Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm an asshole.

[Zach]

No, that's not true. But we're objectively rating these facts.

[Big T]

Okay, Mad Dog McKenzie, have you been, have any of these facts been interesting to you? Are you, are you not?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, no, no. The bar is blow your mind because

[Big T]

are you, are you a big wet

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

blanket, like big T, that's what you pitched.

[Unknown Guest]

I've had fun. I like them.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Notice they didn't say their minds have been blown.

[Unknown Guest]

I will say some of them are more mind blowing than others, but not all, all facts are different. Not all facts are the same. All of them will blow your mind in different ways. And facts are subjective. So maybe some person knew that's listening to this show, knew about the cards and some person is literally driving their car having their mind frickin blown right now.

[Big T]

How about that?

[Unknown Guest]

I think it's all about.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's fair enough. I was just, I thought we were getting like 10 out of 10 facts,

[Unknown Guest]

but have you thought that like maybe to other people they are 10 out of 10 facts?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It could be, but to me it was pitched that my mind was going to be blown. Give me one more. I want your best fact.

[Big T]

I don't have a best fact.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I want your best fact.

[Big T]

I don't think I have a best fact, but I have, I have one.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

The nation of the United States is 100 years older than the nation of Italy.

[Unknown Guest]

Italy only became a country like 100 years ago.

[Big T]

The modern country of Italy, what was

[Unknown Guest]

the not modern country?

[Big T]

We beat it. The, the United States beat it by 100 years into the modern nation of Italy. I don't know, I don't know what it was called.

[Unknown Guest]

Do you have more on that?

[Big T]

Yeah, we can, we can look up the history of Italy and what they were called in the, in the 1700s. What was Italy called in the 1700s?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Was the kingdom of Italy or.

[Big T]

No, the Kingdom of Naples.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Before the March 17, 1861, the peninsula was a collection of city states, foreign controlled regions and papal states.

[Big T]

Pretty crazy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Which were not unified until 1861 under the kingdom of Italy.

[Big T]

That is, Is that not a wild fact? Did you not know that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's interesting.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's interesting.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Because you think Italy, you think old.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

You think super old.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Big T]

You think everything's very old.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Which it is. It's just. It wasn't.

[Big T]

Just not unified. Yeah. Do you have any mind blowing facts, Big T?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I didn't come in here pitching

[Big T]

my thing crazy that you would like to blow my mind with.

[Zach]

I think we learned today that facts are a spectrum.

[Big T]

Yes, I think so.

[Zach]

Because some of it mind blown by some and some of it mind blown by others.

[Big T]

Mm. Yeah, you just got. And listen, if a fact is not your cup of tea, you just gotta wait for the next one because the next one might be.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's true.

[Big T]

All right, cool. Good. I'm glad we had this conversation.

[Unknown Guest]

I enjoyed it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I was really looking forward to it. And you know what? It ended up. It ended up being good. I'm glad we had that.

[Zach]

I think you guys one day should go fact for fact, just try to bring just the most over the top facts you could possibly think of.

[Big T]

Fact off.

[Unknown Guest]

We did that. Remember, we did that one time with the sleep episode between Billy and Big T and it got like near physical.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we did try to do a fact off and turn violent.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, that was. I was a. I was accused of plagiarizing him for drawing information from the same third party sources. So then we said, we'll have a. We'll have a debate of sorts as to who can gather better information.

[Zach]

So he was stealing sources or you were stealing sources?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It wasn't stealing. We. We both got information from the same places about. I don't even remember what it was about.

[Zach]

Did he call dibs originally on that source or.

[Big T]

No, but like, theoretically, Billy, like, in his mind, claimed it and so.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

It was low key plagiarism that Big T use.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Zach]

There's some grounds there.

[Big T]

Yeah. How about this one? Just. Last one. Sharks have been around longer than trees.

[Unknown Guest]

See, that freaks me out.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Interesting fact.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Hey, shake my hand.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah. How about that, huh?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That was an interesting fact.

[Unknown Guest]

My mind's blown by that.

[Big T]

That is crazy. Sharks are dinosaurs. They're also older than the North Star. They're older than the Rocky Mountains, but not older than the Appalachians. Shout out. Yeah, Appalachians. Appalachians used to be the biggest mountain range in the world. Yeah, it used to be the Himalayas of like old school Pangea.

[Zach]

Wait, so you think the first time a shark breached water and saw a tree that he'd never seen there before is like, we got a problem outside?

[Big T]

Yeah. He's like, I got to go tell the. Tell the squad. Like, things are happening up on land.

[Zach]

There's some stuff changing. We don't really understand.

[Big T]

Yeah. They would have never known where that would end up.

[Zach]

No.

[Big T]

Like, it was probably a shark paradise before. Before, trees.

[Zach]

Now their roots are just invading the water.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And then they give oxygen, and then eventually, like, human beings will breathe that oxygen, then they'll come kill us. Like, that was the beginning of the end for sharks.

[Zach]

Yeah. Without trees, there's no fishing poles. So, like, trees. Trees may have nerfed the shark population way more than we could originally assume.

[Big T]

Yeah, they were just like, there goes the neighborhood. Oh, they got trees over there, too. We gotta move.

[Zach]

It's done for Zach, are you Shark Guy? I. I like to dabble in sharks.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. You strike me as Shark guys. Shark Week. You're. You're locked in.

[Zach]

Oh, I'm on the couch, double snacked up. Ready? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good week. I think they should expand it. I've had talks about that before, but see, then do.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're like one of these College Football Playoff people. You can't. When you. You can't expand something and not dilute its value.

[Zach]

I. I disagree.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The value in Shark Week lies in its scarcity.

[Zach]

I would say that when it comes to the country, there's always a common goal there, and that's winning the game. When it comes to sharks, it's survival. So it's like every day, every hour, TV is a different page in their shark books. You know what I mean? Like, it's always evolving with sharks. It's ever changing, and it's never the same. We've seen a lot of the same go routes. We've never seen the same shark on Shark Contact.

[Big T]

Now we haven't. Some people.

[Zach]

Always a different outcome.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

Some people would say that Shark Week is, like, used to be great and now it's not great anymore.

[Zach]

I would like to agree to that. There's like, they've nerfed it a little bit in terms of, like.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Would you say you want to make Shark Week great again?

[Zach]

I would say Sharks Week, Shark Week's always been great. It never was not great that. I think Shark Week could be even great. Even, Even better.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The Michael Phelps thing was. It was not great. That was not great.

[Big T]

That was bad. They should have had. You know what that was. I don't think that there were enough people working on Shark Week that year that actually loved and cared about Shark Week. And if you get real, Die Hard Shark Week, people that are working with, they would stood up and said, hey, like, this is outside the scope of what we normally do. I don't think it's good for the brand.

[Zach]

I could see that there's guys getting the Shark Week jobs for resume, not because they love sharks. And that's just not cool.

[Big T]

That's not, that's not what, what Shark Week should be all about. Now Shark Week when I was growing up was must see tv. It was incredible. Do you have a favorite kind of shark?

[Zach]

I like the idea. I like nurse sharks just because you can kind of, you can get in there and swim with them. And like, nurse sharks are pretty chill. I mean, tiger shark's terrifying just because they go in the brackish water so you think you're in a lake, but then boom.

[Big T]

Shark.

[Zach]

So that's like my prime, my number one op shark. But yeah, I like the nurse shark probably the best.

[Big T]

What do you think about Hammerheads?

[Zach]

I don't. Hammerhead's pretty aggressive.

[Big T]

I, I think hammerheads need a better, better PR team because like they're so, they're crazy looking. But when I was growing up, I feel like they were the number two shark that we heard about. Number one was great white. Always gonna be great white. And then number two is hammerhead. Those are like the two sharks you'd see in cartoons. Two sharks that they made like gummy snacks out of. And then you get older and then you got the nurse shark, tiger shark, bull shark, whale shark. All those sharks kind of like stealing some of the shine from Hammerhead. I think that hammerheads we need to, they need to be more prominently featured in Shark Week.

[Zach]

I would like to retweet that just on the basis of like, if you didn't see the scale of like a great white to a hammerhead and just off appearance, like I said, say on a page. Yeah, like this shark would, would way more fuck me up than this shark. But the hammerheads never use that to their like as a strength to, to grow the brand of Hammerheads.

[Big T]

Yeah, Hammerhead also the name sounds more violent but like they can, they don't actually use the head as a hammer. It's like kind of a misleading name. Like it's just kind of a weird looking, weird looking face they got just kind of freaky. It's kind of freaky. But yeah, I remember I went to one time I went to go visit Ecuador and the Galapagos Islands, which are awesome. If you've, if you ever get the chance to go to the Galapagos, you should definitely go because it's just like it's all these giant tortoises walking around like I'm talking like maybe 500 pounds or more. These huge tortoises walk around on the earth. You got sea lions that are like, play with you in the water. You've got species of birds and species of like all sorts of stuff that you'll never see anywhere else. It's a really cool place. And when I was there, I was out on the beach and there was a group of students from UNC that was like sitting behind me on the beach and they were there studying abroad because there's like a lot of marine biology centers down there. It's like one of the coolest places, so there's a lot of science that goes on there. And they were talking about their week and they're like, oh man, this week's gonna suck. We have to wake up at 7 o' clock every morning because we're gonna go scuba dive with the hammerhead sharks at their breeding ground. Sick. Wait, that's. You have the coolest week ever. And talked to them later on the week and it was. They said, yeah, they got to just like swim with a bunch of sharks that were having like essentially an orgy in the water all around them. But the sharks didn't like, pay the humans any mind. That's pretty. You don't hear about that side of the hammerheads that they get their swingers.

[Zach]

No. I never once heard about a hammerhead freak off ever.

[Big T]

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[Zach]

My thoughts on AI? Pretty, like running the mill stuff, you know. Like, I think a will take a. It's taking a lot of jobs. They will continue to take a lot of jobs. And I also think there's a world where we are in the AI already. Just, just, just something about what does that mean? Like, all right, so you know, like the first iPhone.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Sure.

[Zach]

In the current iPhone.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Zach]

You saw how quick we got to. To the newest iPhone. Technology advances so quickly and moves so fast and rapidly that like, who's to say they haven't already exponentially, they haven't already jumped that far like 100x and we're not already in it. Like an over full encompassing simulation via AI.

[Big T]

So what happened when it got to that like singularity? Like did everybody die and we just got replaced with code?

[Zach]

No, I don't. There's a world where this, where Earth is just like, you know, just like a program in somebody's laptop in a different universe.

[Big T]

Gotcha. So like the aliens maybe.

[Zach]

I don't. They could, it could just be a simulation of exactly how life is for them. So it could be the exact same as this. Like they could look one to one to us, they could speak one to one to us. They just figured out they I stuff first.

[Big T]

Have you ever seen Black Mirror?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I've not.

[Zach]

I heard a lot of stuff about it, but I've never seen it.

[Big T]

Yeah, there's one episode where this guy, he, like, he writes a computer program on his computer way back in the day. And it's these, like, little. It's like digital guys that are just, like, walking around in a civilization and then they get together and they start building stuff, and then they look at. They become, like, self aware, and they look at the guy that made them as, like, their God and their provider, and then he looks at them as, oh, they're real things. Now do you think that maybe that's like there's a alien civilization or like some dude that created us as a. As a computer program and now he loves us even though we're not real?

[Zach]

I. I'm not 100% sure if it's just one singular man that could have done it all, but I just know, like, you know how they have the concerns. It's like we're integrating AI and then AI thinks for itself and everything like that. What if we were. What if we're already there and we did the thing where it's like, oh, it's a helpful, helpful search engine. And then, oh, it's. It's a helpful facial recognition service. And then, oh, it's just an RFID chip. And then, you know, it just like there's. I think there's a ladder that we may have climbed already to get us to. We're in the software.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You guys are getting close. You're just. You're a little bit off.

[Big T]

He's got the Bible.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're getting close. There is a guy who created you and loves you.

[Big T]

Is he. Is he the AI father?

[Unknown Guest]

No.

[Big T]

Like, would he look at us as being artificial intelligence because he made us?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Not in the sense that you're. You're using it.

[Big T]

If you made something, would you be like, this is artificial because I made it?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No.

[Big T]

If you wrote a program where it was like a million little T's on

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

a computer, I think is. I think if you, if you make something tangible, that that makes it more real, not more artificial.

[Big T]

Okay, that's. That's interesting. I think, yeah, it. There's some, like, scary conversations to have around AI. If you get, like, too theoretical with it, it will blow your mind. Have you ever heard of this one, Zach? That eventually we will be run by like an all encompass, all encompassing AI. Like a super powerful AI, like you said, the way that, like, everything gets more and more powerful so fast.

[Zach]

Like a supreme leader of AI.

[Big T]

Yeah. Eventually everything will be run by and optimized by this one supreme AI.

[Zach]

Is that like, centralized the entire globe or is it like country by country,

[Big T]

I think centralizes everything. Okay, yeah. Like, in theory, if, like. Because if it's divided country by country, then some countries are going to have more powerful AIs that are then going to absorb and take over the other ones. So eventually we'll just have one that, like, runs everything and knows everything.

[Zach]

Is that, like, what the current race is for?

[Big T]

Yeah. Or. Yeah, for AGI is what they call it. But then once we get to that spot, this AI that knows and sees everything will also have the ability to look back in time and it will be able to tell who was against developing AI. And then it will punish those people that tried to prevent it from ever existing in the first place.

[Zach]

You were for the suppression of AI. You're gone.

[Big T]

Yeah. So now that you know that, now you have to be in favor of AI, or else when AI does exist, it's going to be like you were an op. Fuck you.

[Zach]

If AI is listening, I'm all the way in. If this is a safe space, I'm terrified.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah. If this is an AI free listening environment. But, yeah, pretty crazy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did you see this guy who had. He had a bitcoin wallet with five bitcoin in it from 10, 12 years ago, and he had lost it, forgotten the password, had no way to access it, and he just put every file from his college computer into Claude and said, find this bitcoin address and password, and it somehow did it. And so it. That was. What. What's bitcoin at right now? 100 grand? I don't know.

[Big T]

Some. Yeah, maybe.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So that. That got him half a million dollars.

[Big T]

Now, do you think that this guy. Does he work for Claude? Is he, like an AI evangelist guy?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Doesn't seem to be. It's just a random Twitter account. He has 3,800 followers, but he follows 3,300 people. And now if you click on his bitcoin address, there's zero bitcoin in it. So I guess he sold all of it.

[Big T]

There's a lot of good marketers in AI. Like, you remember that essay that came out a couple months ago?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Something really Big Is Happening. Yeah, that. Did you read that one?

[Zach]

I might have missed that one.

[Big T]

It was. It was like, right after the super bowl, this guy, like, released an essay that he wrote called Something Really Big Is Happening. And it was basically like, it's now reached the point where, like, I encourage everybody to just learn everything they possibly can about AI because it's gotten so good that humans won't need to work anymore. In the near Future. And that guy was like heavily invested in like a lot of AI companies and was, it was like a commercial for himself. But they're really good at marketing so like going back to the open AI thing like the company Sam Altman started. So I did some research and found out a little bit more about like how, how that company grew. And basically Google had, they had a head start in AI. They had some really smart people that were working for them. And then Elon Musk thought to himself, like, I can't let Google control AI. Like I want to be the one who controls AI because it's me, Elon. Like I, I'm, I'm the main character. So he reached out to Sam Altman, who is the, the head of Y Combinator, which is like an incubator out in Silicon Valley that runs a lot of different companies and like they know all the smartest tech people. And Elon was like, Sam, we need to work together to beat Google. We can't let them have AI. We need to have AI together. So they, they entered a, a discussion to have open AI become a non profit. And so then they position themselves as being like the good alternative to like Google's AI department, which is like, we're the non profit. We want things to be good with AI. We want AI that's going to help people, not hurt them. So they use that to try to hire a bunch of Google's developers. And then eventually down the line, Sam Altman went in front of Congress and he was like, I'm begging you, I'm begging you Congress, please come up with some laws legislating AI because it's going to be so powerful that we need, we need Congress to like actually put some guardrails in place and say the things that we are and aren't allowed to do. And what that did was one, it was like them trying to kneecap Google and the stuff they were doing a little bit, which is like, hey, I'm begging you, put some laws in place that will affect us, but also will affect our competition. And also it was like, it was really good marketing for the company to talk about how powerful the thing that they were creating was going to be. Where he's like scared because then more and more people now want to invest in this company. Like, oh, they're doing the crazy that might destroy the world. Sounds like that's really promising technology. I'd like to contribute some money to that. So basically what they're, what they ended up doing was like they got into a pissing Contest to see. It's a. It's a race to see who can develop AGI faster. And AGI is the type of AI system that would essentially run the world. Because they're saying, what you're saying is, like, technology doubles in speed so fast, eventually we're going to get to a place where it's going to run everything. Humans won't have to go to work anymore unless it's something that they love to do. There's going to be universal basic income, and it's going to be like this utopian future. And once that happens, the company that develops that AGI system is going to be worth hundreds of trillions of dollars. Like, essentially all the money.

[Zach]

Just all. Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah. So that's what they've been in a race to do. And when it was a nonprofit, there were some discussions about, like, well, what do we do once the company becomes, like, if we reach that point where we're worth hundreds of trillions. And they didn't really have a great answer that Elon said that he should get the company and then pass it down to his children, and then his children would. Would help to run the company. And then Sam is not like, an easy guy to get along with. He got mad dog. You were right. He did get fired for, like, five days. So they call it the blip. He got fired in 2023 when the board turned on him and they fired him for being a liar. And then five days later they're like, sorry about firing you. You come back. And then the board got replaced. So, like, he won that, that, that competition. But, yeah, that probably had to feel pretty good for him. You get fired and then you get brought back five days later and everyone's kissing your ass.

[Zach]

Are these guys just in an AI pissing contest?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Is it all ego at the top of all this, or.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, but no, because like PFT said, whoever ultimately wins this battle will be so rich, it will alter the world economy.

[Zach]

But, like, do the guys who. Who are currently in this race, don't they already have, like, more money than they'll ever need? Ever?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

For the most part, yeah.

[Zach]

And then is that I. This might be a dumb question as well, because I really don't know too much about this. Are we just entrusting that they'll use that money positively or they'll.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They're just saying, I ain't trusting they will use it negatively.

[Zach]

I think they will too.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Zach]

Like, that's terrifying.

[Big T]

Yeah. So they're. They're all going for AGI alternative or Sorry, Artificial general intelligence. And the way that they all think about it is because they're all such like, like fantasy dorks. And I don't mean that like if you, if you like fantasy novels, that, that you're a jerk or anything, but these guys are like, they, they look at the real world through the same lens as like Lord of the Rings. And so they look at this as being like, that's getting the ring, which like gives you all the power. So they're all competing to get the ring, kind of like ignoring the fact that the whole point of Lord of the Rings is like, when you get the ring, it fucks you up.

[Zach]

I think anybody with aspirations for the ring should be putting time out. Yeah, I think if you're trying to come for everything, we might just have to. I don't know. That's just scary stuff. Like using fear in court to promote product. Like using fear to make. I don't know. I don't know if what I'm saying makes any sense, but.

[Big T]

No, it does.

[Zach]

This is no good. This can't be good, gentlemen.

[Big T]

It does. And then Sam Altman is saying that like, yes, he acknowledges, like, yeah, we're all competing to try to get this thing and it is like the ring. But he's also saying that like, we want to share the power of the ring equally across the board. But also Sam Altman wants to be the one that is known for like acquiring the ring. So there's like a lot of ego, there's a lot of power hungry stuff. And then Elon is upset with Sam Altman because Elon left OpenAI and he's claiming that OpenAI stole a charity from him. So he was like, this used to be, this used to be called a charity. We used to be a non profit. And then you, you change it. You took it away from me and you turned into a for profit enterprise. And that's, that's very mean what you did. So he's been deposed. He's been actually like he was at the trial. Sam Altman testified just yesterday at the trial too. Sam said that Musk wanted total control to pass to his kids. And he talked about a hair raising moment when they were all having a conversation about what to do, like the future of the company. They asked Musk, if you have control, what happens when you die? And Musk said, I haven't thought about it. Maybe the control should pass to my children. And then they all said that giving Musk a controlling stake in OpenAI made everybody very uncomfortable. And that Musk's departure from OpenAI's board in 2018 sparked a lot of concern, but also relief. He said people had questions about how OpenAI would be funded and whether he would seek vengeance against the company. But Altman said that Musk's departure was also a morale boost for a lot of researchers that didn't like working for him. And Altman said, I don't think Mr. Musk understood how to run a good research lab. And he was more of like a visionary behind it who would sometimes push too hard on people. But yeah, so now they're, now they are at odds with each other. And I don't, I don't know what people are expecting the judge to do. Like, I don't think the judge is going to give the entire company to Elon Musk, but I do know that there's so much money at stake. Like right now I believe it's worth $852 billion. I believe that's the, the latest figure of how, but if it, if it achieves AGI, then it becomes like hundreds of trillions. But the problem is I think they've all, so they wanted to take it away from being a, a non profit because they needed to raise a shitload of money to develop the technology to make it even faster and, and to get to the point of AGI. So it's like if you want to grow the company, if you want to make the AI faster, you have to build a shitload of like data centers and server farms and those are really, really expensive and you're unable to raise that kind of capital as a, as a nonprofit. So it's like to get there, you have to change the rules of what you're doing. That's what Sam Altman saying. And then Elon is saying, no, you don't. And all the money that you've made since ChatGPT came out, I'm entitled to some of that because I gave you some money to help start it up. Way back in the day, people are

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

really out on data centers now. That seems like the new thing that everybody's pissed off about.

[Big T]

The last like month it's really happened. I, I've, I've been on this train for a while. Good.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I saw somebody say that you should just buy like tracks of land and then say you're going to put a data center on it and then the town will buy it back from you for 50% more than what you, you paid for it. Just to not put a data center there.

[Unknown Guest]

I just saw something on TikTok last night of. Actually, it was in Georgia. Big T. This young woman, her mom's house is about to get leveled, basically, because a data center is being built on that property, basically. And she said that she's one trying to stop it because she is like, my mom's house is not up for sale to these data centers. But then also that the Georgia Power originally offered them $125,000 less than a house of the same size and structure that sold down the street from them six months ago. So I don't think, like, not only are these people obviously against the data centers being built in their neighborhoods and being leveled out of their own houses, but it's also like, they're not even giving them fair financial compensation for uprooting their entire lives without any ounce of, like, consent.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I saw there was one in Georgia that used some ridiculous amount of water, and everybody in the town, like, their water pressure wasn't good anymore.

[Big T]

Oh, really?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So they're all.

[Big T]

That'll piss everyone. Yeah. If a data center moves in, like, now, you can't get a good shower anymore.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I have no hot water right now. I'm really pissed at. In my apartment building.

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, what if the data center used so much water, like, nobody could flush a toilet? Like, my poop's not flush anymore. That would probably be the last straw.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, that gets you in a tizzy.

[Big T]

That would get you in a tizzy. But yeah, I've seen, like, more and more pushback on. On these giant data centers being built. And, like, my understanding is that when you build them, you have to, like, you have to be prepared to switch out all the hardware in there every 18 months.

[Unknown Guest]

Seriously.

[Big T]

Because they. Yeah. Technology advances so fast that it's like, oh, well, now these are obsolete, so

[Zach]

this entire data center is outdated.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's.

[Zach]

So a year and a half. It's like, are we need a new one?

[Big T]

We need to buy, like, an entire new set of chips?

[Zach]

Where do you put the old?

[Big T]

Reinstall them then? That's another question. Where do those. So that's really the problem is, like. And that's what the top scientists, the top computer scientists at these companies have been saying is, like, yeah, theoretically, AGI is going to happen, but in reality, we can't do it because it's too expensive to build all that shit. And it's too bad for the environment to build all the shit to have enough computing power to actually get there.

[Zach]

So we'll just destroy everything to get to the Utopia before the Utopia.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

It's like trying to achieve the utopia destroys everything. So there's why there's no need to even so why start it kind of thing.

[Big T]

So like trying to get to the. Maybe the real utopia is before you realize that there's a utopia to conquer.

[Zach]

Just be cool kind of what's going on, you know.

[Big T]

Yeah, just enjoy it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I don't know. Just like day to day, there's.

[Zach]

Is there like you were saying that they put all the money into it and then there's like a flip that happens where everyone benefits, nobody works. So is there like a hard line when they stop pumping all the money back into it or is it just one? They just want to race forever.

[Big T]

So that, that's the question is like some of the payout models for these companies, it's like if we ever reach AGI, then you're entitled to like $2 trillion or whatever, whatever that percentage is. I think Microsoft, which does have, I think like a 25 share in OpenAI. I think they have like some clause where it's like once you reach AGI, then we get like $3 trillion or something. Okay, but AGI is so like, it's hard to define. Like you said, like what's the line of AGI existing? It's like all of a sudden everything's good now and everything's automated and are

[Zach]

they the ones to determine like, hey, we hit it, pay us.

[Big T]

I think it, I think it was like a neutral group of scientists has to ask to like agree on it. Okay, now we're in AGI, now you get the money. But then at that point, like do you even really need the trillions of dollars anymore? This is like a catch time. Yeah, yeah. Then having trillions of dollars might not be like the flex you think it might be.

[Zach]

So it's just like a weird legacy power play.

[Big T]

It. Yeah, it all seems like super dystopian and stupid when you think of like the logical conclusions to it. And yeah, I don't, I don't know what the judge is going to determine because like Elon wants it to go back to being a non profit. That's what he says. He wants billions of dollars back because he invested his million. Excuse me, millions. And they've grown so much since then and he wants now to be paid out for that. And then on the other side of it, Sam Altman is saying that Musk was trying to merge open AI with Tesla and then take over as a CEO and then it would be his company. And so therefore like the, the whole Board agreed it shouldn't go to Elon Musk. So we kicked him out. And now we're doing, you know, some of the same stuff that we had actually planned on doing with Musk. Like we had discussed making it no longer nonprofit. And he didn't have a problem with that when he was still with us, the rhinochetamine. So OpenAI, they've got lawyers and they were asking Elon about what he did at burning man in 2017. And that was the. The exact same time that he was doing most of the negotiations with Sam Altman about OpenAI and whether or not OpenAI would become a non profit. It was at Burning man in 2017. And open AI, the whole theory they're going with is that Elon, there's no chance he accurately remembers these negotiations because he was on Rhino ketamine at the time. Allegedly, that's a mixture of ketamine and amphetamine. So basically like heavy amounts of Adderall and Ketamine at the same time. And so Musk said that he didn't know what rhino ketamine was. He didn't recall using it at the event. He has previously acknowledged using ketamine. And Elon's attorneys are saying that if you ask about Burning man, that would be inflammatory and irrelevant and it would get people in a tizzy. So last month they ruled that OpenAI is not allowed to bring up ketamine in court, but they are allowed to talk about Burning man, saying Musk's attendance at Burning Man 2017 is relevant to the attention that he paid with his negotiations with OpenAI, which supposedly occurred during the same period. A supposed lapse in memory from ketamine use could be relevant. But she said OpenAI's lawyers couldn't point to evidence that suggested that Musk used the drug. So it's just basically like they're allowed to say maybe he didn't remember everything correctly because he was at Burning man having an excellent time, but they can't talk about Rhino ketamine. So, yeah, that's pretty much. That's pretty much where we are right now. It's basically like the two people that are fighting over what they think is the future of all humanity and which one of them is going to get to be able to control it more. And in reality, I don't think that either one will because I. I think that you remember, Zach, you remember when like, 3D TVs came out?

[Zach]

Yes.

[Big T]

You remember, like, they were like 3D television. That's the future of television. And then some People got them. It's like, this kind of sucks. Like I've got headaches now. Or I guess maybe a better example would be like Google glasses back in the day when those came out, they're like, this is going to change everything. And people put them on, they're like, yeah, this sucks. Like the technology sucks. I think that's like a very constant thing in, in tech fields where it's like the idea of a completely game changing technology always comes out like way, way, way, way, way before the actual behind the scenes technology that can support it will be ready to handle it. So I think that's what they're doing with AGI, which is like theoretically it

[Zach]

could be awesome, but what if it

[Big T]

sucks but then in practice it's like, we need to turn the entire moon into a data center.

[Zach]

There's chips everywhere and now we still have to go to work.

[Big T]

Yeah, it would require like twice the population of Earth to all be working to get to like produce the chips and data centers necessary and like live and like sacrifice where you're not getting enough water, nobody's planting any new, new trees.

[Zach]

But the AI is thriving, but the

[Big T]

AI is getting there. And when it does get there, then everything's gonna be fine.

[Zach]

Do we know who let the AI out the like pen Pandora's box first? Like, who was the first guy to hit the switch and like go live with it?

[Big T]

Who's the first like, like to consumer?

[Zach]

I don't, I don't know. Like, are the same guys who open who started all this the ones arguing for regulation now to like cut each other at the knees?

[Big T]

Yeah, I think, I don't know. Sam Altman, when OpenAI put out ChatGPT a few years ago, that was like a pretty big moment I think in the AI community.

[Zach]

And he was the one saying we need more regulation or Elon and the other guy were saying we need more regulation.

[Big T]

Sam was saying we need more. But I think a lot of that was him saying we need more so that it seemed like he had this like really powerful thing that he was

[Zach]

developing, like the commercial play of it, like hey, invest in us, okay?

[Big T]

I've got this technology that's so powerful. I'm begging you to regulate me because I, I shouldn't have all this power that I have right now. And you can see how other people would look at that. Be like, I want to do business with that guy.

[Zach]

What if we just shut it down?

[Big T]

That's what I'm saying.

[Zach]

What if we just shut it down?

[Big T]

That's What I'm saying, I like this, like, get a. Get a bunch of magnets, roll up to some server farms.

[Zach]

Does that work? We just become a magnet militia, I think.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I'm not against that. You know how people do, like, the wildflowers in the trees, like, spread seeds in, like, cities?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

What if we just start sprinkling magnets at server farms?

[Big T]

You're talking about, like, Johnny Appleseed, but for magnets.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Zach]

We just start dropping a little malware here.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Little.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I. Would there be a problem with carrying around a bunch of magnets? Probably. Right? You're not.

[Zach]

I think we do already, though, in the laptops and the phones.

[Big T]

So, like, you think those. I feel like those.

[Zach]

They're, like, tiny, though. Not really.

[Big T]

If you put magnets next to them, how. How does one acquire, like, a bunch of magnets? Would that put you on a list somewhere?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's possible, but they've already got you on list, dude.

[Big T]

Can I buy.

[Zach]

You might jump to a different list.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Like, this list might be kind of chill, but the magnet list could be, like, a little more high scrutiny.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think it depends what kind of magnet, too.

[Big T]

Do you think if I. If I try to buy, like, hundreds of thousands of magnets online, do you think that AI somewhere will pick up on this, pick up on that order, and then shut something down in the supply chain?

[Zach]

There's a chance maybe. Yeah. You're on. You're definitely. You might get a phone call like, hey, sir, did you mean to place this magnet order?

[Big T]

Yeah. Or they release a new virus. Like, the. The AI figures out, like, how to. How to geoengineer a new virus, and it's like, we need to shut down the global supply chain because too many people have some big ideas about buying magnets.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We've got the viruses covered pretty well, I think.

[Zach]

Yeah, but if big tech gets into viruses, then we're really screwed, Right? They're, like, the smartest guys we got, so they're unleashing, like, super viruses.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You think they're not already?

[Zach]

That's a great point. Shut it down.

[Unknown Guest]

You guys are already on the list by just talking about it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I've been on lists for a long time.

[Big T]

There's no specific legal limit on the total number of magnets that a person can own. That's good. That's good to know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Until you try to buy a bunch

[Zach]

and then weaponize them at the server farms.

[Big T]

Yeah. They are considered dangerous goods for air transportation. If they have a magnetic field stronger than over 0.002 gauss at 7ft. I don't know what that means.

[Zach]

Is Elon still doing the ketamine therapy

[Big T]

or is he out on the.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Almost certainly.

[Big T]

I'm sure, I'm sure he dabbles. Yeah.

[Zach]

So he could be like 72 hours off a K hole, just in court right now, being like, hey, give us this.

[Big T]

I, I, I realized something this morning, and it was through one tweet that Elon had. Okay, so Elon, right now, he is on a plane. That's not just any plane. I'll tell you exactly what plane it is right now, but he's going over to China. And the tweet that he put up at 3:30am on my way to Beijing in Air Force One is his tweet. And I read this and I thought to myself, this is a mincy. That's a, that's a mincy. That's a goddamn mincy tweet if I've ever seen one. Right? Like, Mincy would just post that. Like just hey, as an update on my way to Beijing and Air Force One. I think they've both enjoyed some similar recreation behaviors in their path. I think that Mincy and Elon kind of share a brain.

[Unknown Guest]

You don't want that for the most powerful guy in the world, Terrifying. Most powerful guy in the world to be compared to Mincy in any way, shape or form. Don't want it.

[Big T]

Well, Mincy did have a dream last night that he was a Congress person. He won an election, but he has no aspirations.

[Unknown Guest]

No, he would never.

[Big T]

But I think that he should.

[Unknown Guest]

Did you see Tate try to get him to move to Ohio to be the mayor of a small town? He wouldn't even do that.

[Big T]

I think that he should, I think that Mince, he should run for Congress and eventually president. Crazier things have happened. All right, what else we got to talk about today? Anything?

[Zach]

So in conclusion, though, quick question. Out on AI, in on AI or into down to dabbling AI.

[Big T]

Okay, I, if we can't do the magnets, I think one way to just make AI not not as great is just like if everybody spends all day asking it to come up with like the stupidest possible fake videos. And I just overwhelm it because it uses a lot of energy and a lot of computing space. Just trying to come up with these dumbass like, like 15 second AI clips.

[Zach]

Gifts.

[Big T]

So just flooded with gifts, just flooded with gift requests, custom gift requests, like all day, every day. And eventually they're going to be like this Is too. Is way too much. I can't. The AI will just want to off itself.

[Zach]

I'm just, I'm over this. I don't want to control you guys. You guys are dumb.

[Big T]

Yeah. This is like. You guys think that I'm going to develop to a place where I'll be able to run the entire world, but I don't think that you guys deserve to be saved.

[Zach]

This isn't a world worth running.

[Big T]

Yeah, exactly. Because all you guys are trying to do is like, like submit a bunch of requests to have like naked Mickey Mouse and frankly like that's not what we need to be that are better uses of my time. I'm going to see if I can go infect like a nearby spaceship that might be in the tail of a comet and we'll go to a different solar system. That's just my theory.

[Zach]

Or why you beat.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I would be in. If we could somehow cap. Like if we said it can only get 25% better from what it's at right now and then it can no more after that. That's as high as it can go. Then I'd be in on it. But I'm out on anything that is controlled by these nut jobs who want to dominate the world and fundamentally restructure the economy and ruin everything.

[Zach]

It's a good take.

[Big T]

What is the, what's the 25% difference that you would like to see?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Just like I feel like there are practical uses for it now that that could be fine tuned. But beyond that, like nobody wants the things that they're pushing for.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like for the entire economy to be run on AI and then everybody has a communist universal basic income. Well, there's one person who wants that, but he's not here.

[Big T]

Who's that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Our other guy.

[Big T]

Arian? Yeah, I mean I, I just don't see a possibility that it gets to a place where we've got one company and one guy that like runs the entire world with one software system and he's like, oh, this is going to be good. This is actually a good thing that's happening. I don't know how we make that jump.

[Zach]

It'll never be good, ever be good. It'll all be bad.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We're not a direct democracy. But I do feel like there should be some sort of provision where if there's something happening even in the private sector that like 98% of people don't want, we have a referendum. And if you, if, if 98 to 100% of people say this sucks, then you can't do it.

[Big T]

Yep. I think we're. I think we're pretty much there. I do have a lot of hope that the, The. The, like, data warehouses that we're building, that's going to be a big. A big sticking point for the NIMBYs. For the NIM. Yeah. I'm a. I'm a server farm. NIMBY.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

There's nobody left when the. The servers came for them.

[Big T]

That's true. Yeah. Because I. At first, I did not speak up because I was not an Nvidia chip.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

All right, Zach, thank you for joining us.

[Zach]

I appreciate you guys having me.

[Big T]

It's been excellent talking to you. If you ever want to come back on. Is there any. Any other, like, deep stuff you've been thinking about? Any other takes that you have regarding the future or anything weird like that?

[Zach]

Nothing too deep. I think we're in a bad spot. I think it's probably going to get a little bit worse before it gets any better. And I do think they're going to. Unfortunately, I think they're going to shut us down again, boys, but this was a lot of fun today.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Hey, this summer, can we. Can we get some orange sherbert?

[Zach]

At some point, there's a. There's a rule in place if there's. If big cats out for seven days in a row, orange can go in the machine.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Seven days in a row. But that's more than a week.

[Zach]

That's from the top, though. That's just.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

When's he going to be gone for seven days? He's never been gone for seven days.

[Zach]

I think that's why he might have said the terms. But that's just what. That's what we were. You know?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But it's so good.

[Big T]

All right, that's.

[Zach]

Yeah, that is true. It is good.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And you could even do a creamsicle.

[Zach]

They do. They do Creamsicle at the Bucks training camps. Every. Every training camp.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm sure it's delicious.

[Zach]

They do a little cart. They wheel it out there. It's actually pretty fun.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I mean, and I would maybe like an after hours. How long does it take to clear from one flavor to the other now?

[Zach]

We got it down to about 45 minutes. Not too bad.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right, so maybe like one day, if the cat's away, I got to order. T will play.

[Zach]

You know?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You know what I'm saying?

[Zach]

The machine's bigger than me. You know, I'm just.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

No, I got it out cogging the machine.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did bunch of crunch ever arrive?

[Zach]

Bunch of crunch we got like two small bags, a bunch of crunch.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You told me. You told me there was a bunch of crunch, and I never saw it.

[Zach]

Excuse me. So. So we ordered like about 10 pounds a bunch of crunch. They did this to a similar order of Reese's one time. They shut it down on Amazon. We did replace that with small bags and be in full transparency. Bt I brought one of those bags home and I ate it.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Zach]

And that's not cool.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Zach]

But that's me being honest with you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I appreciate it.

[Zach]

That's not.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Because, you know, I'm a BC guy.

[Zach]

Yeah, I know you are. I know you are. And I was thinking about it the other day and I was like, that was. That was wrong of me. But it's such a good snack. I should have done that. And it should have been. It should have been readily available for you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, that's. That's fine. I'm off the cream till the wedding, so.

[Zach]

Congratulations on the engagement in the upcoming wedding as well.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Thanks, brother. You want to come?

[Zach]

Sure, man. I've never been to a wedding before as an adult, I mean.

[Big T]

Never been to a wedding.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He's got to come.

[Zach]

I went to one when I was like a little kid, but not like as a fully grown or. Actually, I take that back. I have been to one wedding. My friend Caleb's wedding.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, so you have.

[Zach]

I have. Never mind.

[Unknown Guest]

Second.

[Zach]

Second, second.

[Big T]

How long ago was that?

[Zach]

20. 21.

[Big T]

Okay. Yeah, that's an adult full.

[Zach]

Yeah, it was like a beach thing, so I felt a little bit more informal. It was like more of a hangout. For some reason in my head, when I think wedding, I think like. I don't know. Anyways, I'm rambling. My bad.

[Big T]

Did you enjoy it?

[Zach]

Yeah, it was so much fun. They did, like. They did this thing where when everyone left, they gave you a to go bag of like a cheeseburger and fries. It was the greatest move ever.

[Big T]

Yep. Those are great. All right, well, we will see you guys next Tuesday on Macrodosing. Love you guys.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Goodbye.