Inside the Algorithm | Oct 16, 2025

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Macrodosing Podcast Detailed Summary

Episode: Inside the Algorithm

Date: October 16, 2025

Hosts: PFT Commenter, Chaps, Big T, Mad Dog McKenzie

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Episode Overview

This episode of Macrodosing dives deep into the omnipresent yet elusive world of ALGORITHMS—specifically how social media platforms and the wider internet use them to shape public opinion, manipulate emotions, and even impact democracy. With their signature irreverence, the Macrodosing crew discusses the history, hazards, and future of algorithms—while riffing on sports, nostalgia, news, and pop culture.

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Table of Contents

• The Algorithm Theme Setup
• Sports Fandom, Generational Loyalties, and Identity (01:23–06:00)
• Taxes, Government Efficiency, and Political Color (07:18–15:38)
• Recognizability of Songs Across Generations (18:17–31:36)
• Social Media Algorithms: The Core Discussion (83:49–129:13)
• Algorithmic Bubbles and Information Fragmentation
• AI, ChatGPT, and Digital Content Creation
• The Platform Publisher Dilemma & Content Moderation (170:04–174:06)
• Media, Legacy vs. New, and Political Leanings
• Nostalgia Break: Twitter’s Beginnings & Digital Heritage (161:27–182:45)
• Random Rapid-Fire: From National Anthem Rankings to Buc-ee’s and Costco
• Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

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The Algorithm Theme Setup

Timestamp: 00:59 onward

Big T pulls up suggested talking points for approaching the episode’s theme, generated by AI:

• “We’re all in a giant psychological experiment."
• “The algorithm might already be God.”
• “Is the internet even real anymore?”
• “The algorithm radicalized your uncle.”

These set the stage for a wide-ranging exploration into how algorithms shape everything from music trends to radicalization and even our grocery ads.

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Sports Fandom, Generational Loyalties, and Identity

Notable segment: 01:23 – 06:00

• The crew muses about generational fandom—using Pittsburgh Steelers fans as an example of how identity and algorithms can interplay.
• Chaps: “Do your kids like the same team as you? Then you’re probably not a shitty dad.” [02:50]
• The importance of tradition, regional allegiance, and how internet communities (and algorithms!) can either reinforce or erode these bonds.
• Discussion of making household “trades” when parents support rival teams.

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Taxes, Government Efficiency, and Political Color

Notable segment: 07:18 – 15:38

• Playful banter about last-minute taxes, extensions, and irritation at government shutdowns—highlighting how algorithmically presented news can amplify frustration.
• PFT shares a story about Jim Traficant, an eccentric Congressman famous for one-liners:

  "He would end every speech by saying, ‘beam me up’ and then he'd walk away." [11:39]

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Recognizability of Songs Across Generations

Notable segment: 18:17 – 31:36

• What’s the most universally known song in America—National Anthem, “Country Roads,” “Sweet Caroline,” or a kids' song like “Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star”?
• The discussion drifts into how even music familiarity is influenced by social algorithms, generational differences, and viral moments.
• They muse about “Mr. Brightside” overtaking British stadiums (“They almost took over ‘Mr. Brightside’ in England” [24:29]) and modern missteps like changing the “Alphabet Song.”

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Social Media Algorithms: The Core Discussion

Notable segment: 83:49 – 129:13 (and throughout)

• The crew jumps into the heart of "algorithmic manipulation":
  • How algorithms reward outrage, amplify polarization, and shape what content users see for maximum engagement.
  • Al Gore quote: “Algorithms are the digital equivalent of AR-15s.” [84:01]
    • Big T: “He also said they should be banned. Just ban all algorithms.” [84:09]
• Discussion of moving back to a strictly chronological timeline as a possible solution.
• Example: Facebook formerly awarded the “angry” reaction more weight than a "like," incentivizing creators to provoke outrage.

Algorithmic "Bubbles" and Information Fragmentation

Timestamp: 122:33

• Chaps shares a conversation with Ken Burns on historical information flows:
  • "People now are much less factually informed than people in the 1700s, which is shocking...you consume news basically to confirm your confirmation bias."
• The same event can look totally different depending on your algorithm-feed (example: coverage of Chicago protests).
• Midas Touch and Libs of TikTok cited as parallel “rage-farming” entities with opposing ideologies.

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AI, ChatGPT, and Digital Content Creation

Notable segment: 100:23–108:43; 106:05–108:43; 104:22–105:35

• How AI is changing search (ChatGPT vs. Google) and generating content for podcasts and news.
• Example: ChatGPT is now allowed to create erotica for adults with age verification (Big T: “That’s what it is. It’s not about making money... it’s about democracy.” [105:35])
• AI-generated avatars making money on Instagram ("There’s one natural resource that’s never going to go away—and that’s horny dudes." – PFT [104:26])

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The Platform/Publisher Dilemma & Content Moderation

Notable segment: 170:04–174:06

• Fundamental question: Should social platforms act as neutral “platforms” or responsible “publishers”?
• Section 230 explained: If you're a "platform," you're not legally responsible for user content (unless it's criminal, like child porn).
• Crew consensus: Crimes must be removed; but classifying political speech, health misinformation, or “outrageous” content is far more complex—and slippery.

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Media, Legacy vs. New, and Political Leanings

Notable segment: 154:18–159:09

• Spirited debate on whether “the media” is inherently right- or left-leaning in 2025.
  • Chaps: “All the social media accounts... especially TikTok... there is like Zuckerberg with Meta... there is not an accurate statement that the media is left-leaning anymore.” [154:18]
  • Big T: “Old legacy media is still predominantly left-wing, but a lot of new media... is more right than left.” [155:42]
• Consensus: Legacy media leans left, but “new media” (social platforms, podcasts) leans right, or is algorithmically agnostic—whatever keeps attention and makes money.

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Nostalgia Break: Twitter’s Beginnings & Digital Heritage

Notable segment: 161:27–182:45

• Longtime users reminisce on the "good old days" of Twitter—chronological timelines, Favstar, the importance of public likes, and manual retweets.
• PFT Commenter recites his first tweet (“I thought the real refs were going to put a stop to every concussion hit... Oh, they suck just as much." [181:07])
• Conversation on how digital platforms capture (or fail to preserve) our personal and social memory.

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Random Rapid-Fire: From National Anthem Rankings to Buc-ee’s and Costco

• Sports tangent: Best national anthem renditions (Whitney Houston vs. Chris Stapleton), football team turnovers, and the existential dread of rootless fandom.
• Buc-ee’s appreciation (“It is one of the most underrated sandwiches there is” – Chaps, on Buc-ee's turkey melt [47:31]), Yeti cups, and the efficiency of Costco’s black card.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Algorithms and Anger

• PFT Commenter [84:25]:
  “Once you introduce the algorithm into social media, that’s when they can start programming what they want you to see. And typically, what generates the most engagement is things that make people angry.”

• Big T [84:51]:
  "There are a ton of problems with Twitter/X now, but I do like that I have my timeline of things that I have said I want to see, and they're in chronological order."

On AI

• PFT Commenter [104:26]:
  “There’s one natural resource that's never going to go away—and that’s horny dudes.”

On The State of the Internet

• Chaps [122:33]:
  “I would argue that people now are much less factually informed than people in the 1700s, which is shocking.”

On the Rules of Engagement (Drone Strikes)

• Chaps [41:10]:
  "I had to have positive identification when I was like, in Iraq... you had to get shot at first to be able to... [fire back]. And now it’s like, ‘Oh, those guys are on a boat. They might be [cartel].’ You can kill them."

On Social Media Addiction

• PFT Commenter [114:07]:
  "The algorithm really got me addicted for the first couple months I was using it. I would just lay in bed, swipe up, swipe up, swipe up... and I'd look up and it had been like an hour and a half. This is not good for my sleep."

On The Political Media Split

• Chaps [156:46]:
  “The major news networks that are on, like, Fox, ABC, Sinclair Media... that's right-leaning... I think you could have made that argument probably during the Bush administration... I don't think that's the case anymore.”

On Free Speech Limitations

• Chaps [172:29]:
  “I should be able to be as dumb as I want.”

On Human Content Moderators

• PFT Commenter [153:19]:
  “They would have to sit and watch all these videos and then flag them... Those people had like astronomical rates of depression and anxiety... [Facebook] had to build chill-out rooms for them to go sit in and meditate.”

On the Futility of Escaping Ads

• Chaps [145:06]:
  "You look at one jacket that's flannel lined on the inside, next thing you know you get a hundred jackets on your TikTok.”

On What Kids Consume

• Mad Dog McKenzie [22:21]:
  “I wouldn't trust any kid to know any song at any moment in time.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Algorithm Talking Points Setup: 00:59
• Steelers Fandom & Generational Sports Discussion: 01:23–06:00
• Taxes, IRS, & “Beam Me Up” Congressman: 07:18–15:38
• Most Recognizable Songs in America: 18:17–31:36
• Chronological vs. Algorithmic Social Media: 84:01–86:14
• Misinformation and Conspiracy-Lure Online: 122:33–125:06
• AI, Erotica, and Memory Issues: 104:22–108:43
• Publisher vs. Platform Law (Section 230): 170:04–174:06
• New Media vs. Legacy Media Leanings: 154:18–159:09
• Old-School Twitter Nostalgia: 161:27–182:45

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Episode Tone

The crew balances goofy banter, deep skepticism, and real technological concern—never shying from calling out double standards or their own blind spots. It’s smart, cynical, and sometimes surprisingly heartfelt.

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Conclusion

“Inside the Algorithm” is a sprawl of internet culture, politics, nostalgia, and genuine unease about the ways unseen math now directs our society. With precision and humor, the Macrodosing hosts dissect how we’re already living inside the algorithm—and why that might be the biggest conspiracy yet.

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(For brevity, ads, sponsorships, intros, and outros have been omitted except where part of the wider discussion.)

Transcript

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big T]

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[Chaps]

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[Chaps]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Chaps]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Chaps]

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[PFT Commenter]

See app for availability terms apply. Give me a talking point that, that I might approach this topic with for you.

[Big T]

So it gave me. We're all in a giant psychological experiment. The algorithm might already be. God, is the Internet even real anymore? And the algorithm radicalized your uncle.

[PFT Commenter]

It's kind of like Pittsburgh. There's more Steelers fans elsewhere in the United States than there are in Pittsburgh.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Because when they leave Pittsburgh, they hang on to that, like, for generations. Like, if you, if you're born in Pittsburgh, you grew up rooting for the Steelers, and then you move to San Francisco when you're like 25, you move to Florida. Yeah.

[Chaps]

Take over the. You take over Everbank Stadium.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. You are going to be a Steelers fan for the rest of your life. Your kids, God damn it, are going to be Steelers fans. There's going to be Steelers bars. You can have a room that's just the wallpaper is terrible.

[Chaps]

Towels.

[PFT Commenter]

And you're never going to give up that part of your life.

[Chaps]

Nope.

[PFT Commenter]

And then their kids.

[Chaps]

And you're going to be a Ben Roethlisberger defender.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And they win just frequently enough that the kids will stay rooting for the Steelers for sure. Like, you don't. If you try to do that with the Browns and you move to a different city, then eventually your kids are going to be like, why did you make me become a Browns fan? But as a Steeler fan, it's like, yeah, okay, that's. That's who I am.

[Chaps]

I think if Chicago gets really good McCartney could do that.

[PFT Commenter]

You think so?

[Chaps]

With the Jags? Yeah. And I mean, realistically, how many times is he going to go to Florida to watch the Jags comparatively to how much we could go here?

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Big T]

Yeah, I've actually thought about that with my kids, like, if I live here or whatever, what teams would they like?

[Chaps]

You're such a big fan of yours that they would like yours. Unless you're a shitty dad. But like, I feel like that is like the barometer. Do your kids like the same team as you? Then you're probably not a shitty dad.

[Big T]

But like, my dad's from St. Louis. He doesn't care nearly as much about sports as I do. But like, I. There. There was never even a question like I'd like to the teams where I was from.

[Chaps]

Yeah, but you're a die Hard. So I feel like that's different. That's like a passive fan or like whenever they're good type of fan. But if you're watching every game and your dad's super into it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like, my dad was a big Dolphins fan. Hated him. Jags, he was a big Marlins fan. Braves. He was a big University of Florida fan. Florida State.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's funny.

[PFT Commenter]

Rebelling.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I, I also think that you have to make an agreement almost at birth if you and your spouse root for different teams. Like what. What is.

[Chaps]

Especially like Kate and Pat.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Kate and Pat.

[Chaps]

That's a tough one.

[PFT Commenter]

So Philly and Washington is what they. They split up somehow. Pat got the Commanders over over the Eagles, but Kate got the Phillies over the Nationals, which is. I think, I think that's fair.

[Chaps]

I think that's a good trade.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

I mean, around.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I mean, if you want to look at recent World Series, I think.

[Big T]

The Nationals, but Super bowl immediately. And then we recording, by the way.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we should. Yeah, we should put all this in. Okay. But yeah, if you're making that trade. Phillies 76ers. Then it should be Capitals Commanders was the one that, that shocked me. I thought that Kate would insist on. My kids are going to grow up being Birds fans.

[Chaps]

You absolutely can't take the Nationals over. Yeah, the Phillies.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Chaps]

Or you can't take.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't take the Wizards.

[Chaps]

You definitely can't take the Wizards.

[PFT Commenter]

No. Imagine raising a child right now to be a die hard Wizards fan.

[Chaps]

Would you? Do you think the Wizards are the most boring team in the NBA? Like as far as fandom and everything.

[PFT Commenter]

Combined, I think they might be the most boring team in sports.

[Chaps]

Could be.

[PFT Commenter]

I challenge you to find me a team that's more. More boring than the Wizards, because at.

[Chaps]

Least Orlando, if you're talking about Orlando, you can be like, their uniforms with Penny and Shaq were the best. What do you have?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, nothing really. Orlando also, they've got a fun, young team. They're gonna be good this year, right? They're gonna be really good.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But, yeah, you don't really have it. You have the couple years that Michael Jordan played for the team.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Gilbert Arenas, the Gilbert Arenas years where they. They almost shot each other. You've got a couple years of John Ball.

[Chaps]

Yeah, true.

[PFT Commenter]

And then you've got like, there's some good young players right now. I like Bub Carrington. I like Alexander Saar. I think that they might be. They might be kind of fun this year, but. Yeah, no, you're right. It's like there's no. There's no more boring team. At least with the 76ers, like, you are always in the conversation. Yeah, they haven't really won anything, but you're always like, part of the discourse and you're trying to win something and. And you've got like an MVP on your team. It's exciting.

[Chaps]

And they're going to spend.

[PFT Commenter]

They're going to spend. And it's Josh Harris, which great owner. Big T. I don't know if you saw this. Did you take a look at any of the Epstein files that were released last week?

[Big T]

No, this is the first I'm hearing of this.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, there were a few pages that were released. One said something about like a. A lunch with Elon, or no invitation to Elon to come to the island. And then there was an invitation that was on that same page. Big time ricochet shot, because everybody was focusing on the Elon part of it. So that document got, like, circled around the Internet a lot. Also on that same page, there was a brief mention of inviting Josh Harris to a lunch. The. The owner of the Commanders. But I had actually, I looked into it beforehand because Josh Harris was in the Carlisle Group and they have like, their hand and everything. The owner of the. The Baltimore Orioles, also a Carlisle Group veteran, look into them. That could be an entire episode. But Josh Harris got one of the guys from the Carlisle group. I think maybe the CFO or the COO got him kicked out because of his connection to Epstein, was like, we can't. We can't have this guy around anymore. So I think Harris was like, in those circles in terms of his co workers were like, entrenched with this guy. And I don't Think he ever met with him.

[Chaps]

But I feel like it's different to get invited than accepting the invitation.

[Big T]

For sure.

[Chaps]

Like you can't control what you're invited to. You can control if you accept the invitation.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And then what you do at once, you accept the invitation. But yeah, you can invite if. That's a great way to incriminate people. Yeah. Just invite them to a bunch of stuff.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Formally invited. This is macrodosing, by the way. And it is Thursday. It is 16th. October 16th. Big T's, right as always. October 16th. I hope you guys got your taxes in yesterday. That was the extension deadline.

[Chaps]

Oh.

[PFT Commenter]

Hypothetically, some of us might have used the extension.

[Chaps]

Taxes are none of my business.

[Big T]

I think Mad Dog does the extension. Right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I just did my taxes last week.

[PFT Commenter]

Love that. I just did mine yesterday.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Congrats.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, just happy Tax extension signed off on them yesterday.

[Big T]

They told me the government shut down, but I did notice we got paid today and there were still taxes taken.

[PFT Commenter]

Out, which I didn't appreciate. Yeah, they. Hang on.

[Big T]

Must not be too shut down.

[PFT Commenter]

There should be just a brief moratorium on, on tax collection as well.

[Chaps]

Yeah. If you're not doing your job, I shouldn't have to pay you for it.

[Big T]

I mean, if it's shut down. Shut it down.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

This is my first year having to pay taxes and not get a refund.

[PFT Commenter]

That's. That's quite a welcoming to the real world, isn't it? Yeah. You're like, until now, April 15th was a great day for you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I was expecting quite a fat paycheck and then I got hit with you actually owe us hundreds of dollars instead.

[Big T]

But that's better than getting like a massive refund. That just means you gave the government an interest free loan for a year.

[Chaps]

True.

[Big T]

I mean I'd rather pay 300 bucks than get a four thousand dollar check. That was like I should have had this money the whole time.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But getting that four thousand dollar check.

[Big T]

Right? But then, but then you're. I, I would just rather I try to zero mine out as much as possible.

[Chaps]

That was the only way I was getting a new baseball glove when I was younger. Tax return.

[PFT Commenter]

Tax day. Yeah, I love that. So I've, I've had to like do a lot more homework on my taxes over the last like five years than I ever have before. Because once or twice a year Big Cat and I will do like either appearance or like a quick live show and they give us a check for like 50 bucks or like 100 bucks. For this live show. And then you get later on.

[Chaps]

That's it.

[PFT Commenter]

Your tax guy. Well, it depends on what it is.

[Chaps]

So, like, guys are worth way more than $50.

[Big T]

I think he's doing a bit.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I'm talking about, like, occasionally they'll bring, like, the cameras into the studio and then get, like, five seconds of me and Big Cat saying something, then that ends up in somebody's commercial somewhere, like in an Instagram reel or just, like, in the background of something. So. No, it's like 100. Yeah. Probably more than 50. There was actually one appearance that. That I did at I think Zany's. I think that was like 45. But I didn't do that to, like, get paid. I did that just because I was hanging out with, like, Nick and a bunch of the other people here judging a roast battle. Yeah. But there's, like, five different organizations that have paid me somewhere between, like, 45 and 200. And then I have to go back because my tax guys, like, hey, can you find the. The 1099 form that these guys sent you at the end of the year for, like, the 200? And I'm like, no, no, I can't find. I can't find any of that.

[Chaps]

And no one would care about that.

[PFT Commenter]

I have no idea where that is.

[Chaps]

But you are in the tax bracket where people would care. Like, I. I feel one of my buddies work for the IRS, and he's like, look, if you make less than $75,000 a year, the IRS does not give a about you, because they're like, the money that they would pay to go after you to get their taxes would cost them more than you're going to bring in.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. Did you know that the. The IRS is one branch of the government that makes money?

[Chaps]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

They generate. So every time they hire a new IRS agent, that person more than pays for itself, I want to say, like, five times pays for itself. And revenue that they bring in.

[Chaps]

Oh, they bring in.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So it's like the most efficient branch of the government in that way. You wouldn't think that. You would not think that. So that's why they keep hiring these folks.

[Big T]

Big T, don't get me started on.

[PFT Commenter]

The IRS come out in internal rectal service. That's exactly right. There was a congressman, I want to say, from Ohio. Do you remember Mad Dog? Do you remember a guy named Jim Trafficant? An absolute legend of a dude.

[Chaps]

A long time stoolie.

[PFT Commenter]

Long time stooly. Yeah. A long time stool.

[Chaps]

Newton mask guy.

[PFT Commenter]

This guy. Absolutely. Yeah. He knows who Broke the air conditioner.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Whoa, what an interesting looking dude.

[PFT Commenter]

Very interesting looking dude. Very interesting guy. He served in Congress, I want to say maybe like, I don't know, I'm just taking guess, 10, 20 years, something like that. And he would constantly address the, the open floor of the Congress and he, he would constantly refer to the IRS as being the internal rectal service and how they're stealing money from everybody. And he would end every speech by saying, beam me up. And then he'd walk away. He'd just scream at people for like five minutes and then walk away every day like people started tune this guy out. And eventually he got charged with corruption and went to federal prison. But yeah, Jim, Traffic can't. I want to bring up some of his greatest hits because he had some all time quotes that he, he entered into the congressional record. That's got to be a toupee by the way, right? Look at that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I was just gonna ask if you know the origin of that hair.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he was, he was just an eccentric guy.

[Chaps]

I feel like he's handsome.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, why does it take me to a menswear website? Let's see. He was over the top, pugnacious, in a class of his own. For much of his nearly 20 years in Washington, Trafficant was the king of the one minute speech in the House and able to spout off on any topic while wearing a cheap suit and his hair piled high at top his head. I don't think they should have brought up his cheap suit like that. Feels like an unnecessary shot.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The Ohio lawmaker would often end his tirade with a phrase, be me up. To show his indignation, the House expelled traffic in 2002 following his conviction. Conviction on federal corruption, bribery and tax evasion. Served seven years in federal prison. He talked about bras at one point, maybe. Was this to Nancy Pelosi, Madam Speaker. It started with the training bra and then it came to the push up bra, the support bra, the wonder bra, the super bra. There's even a smart bra. Now, if that is not enough to prop up your curiosity, they got a new bra. It's called the holster bra. The gun bra. That's right. A brassier to conceal a hidden handgun. Unbelievable. What is next, a maxi girdle to conceal a Stinger missile? Beam me up. I advise all men in America against taking women to drive in movies who may end up getting shot in a passionate embrace.

[Chaps]

I mean, that's good, solid advice.

[PFT Commenter]

That's good. This is good congressing. He's at one point Said, if you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm going to eight. Six on the Richter scale with gastric emissions. That'll clear this room. He was a fart terrorist. When I go to the floor for the final execution, I'll wear a denim outfit. I will walk in there like Willie Nelson. Combination of John Wayne, Will Smith, Men in Black, James Brown, maybe do a Michael Jackson moonwalk right up to the stand and ask unanimous contempt to undress and revile the House. Just threatening a strip.

[Big T]

Guy's a wild card.

[PFT Commenter]

Real wild card. Mr. Speaker. The Gettysburg Address is 286 words. The Declaration of Independence is 1322 words. Government regulations on the sale of cabbage are 27,000 words. Mr. Speaker. Now, if that is not enough to stuff your cabbage roll, regulations cost. Cat. Cost taxpayers. 400 billion a year. $4,000 per year, per every family, each and every year, year in, year out. Unbelievable. It's so bad, if a dog urinates in a parking lot, the EPA declares it a wetland. Yeah.

[Chaps]

What's a cabbage roll? Is that a dick?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. It's a stuff your cat cabbage roll. Like maybe an appetizer.

[Chaps]

Oh, I thought it was. He was referring to, like a body part.

[PFT Commenter]

A cabbage roll would be a nasty thing to call a penis.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Tender, but if it's stinky.

[Big T]

Tender cabbage leaves wrapped around a savory filling, typically consisting of ground meat, rice, and seasonings. Oh, that's like a spring roll kind of cabbage burrito.

[PFT Commenter]

A cabbage burrito. There we go. We were talking right before we started to record. That's Chaps, by the way.

[Chaps]

Hi.

[PFT Commenter]

Chaps is here. Aryan is in Vegas right now up to no good. This. The. The sight of him almost losing his virginity.

[Chaps]

Whoa.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you remember that. That story Aran told?

[Big T]

I do not.

[PFT Commenter]

He went to Vegas when He was like, 13 years old and he saw a prostitute and then started hit on the prostitute.

[Big T]

Now I vaguely recall. Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he started. He tried to seduce the prostitute and she was like, you're too young, buddy.

[Chaps]

Get.

[PFT Commenter]

Get away from me. So, yeah, he's standards. Yeah, yeah. He's out in Vegas right now. And so it's me, Big T. Chaps. Mad Dog McKenzie.

[Big T]

Convenient.

[PFT Commenter]

Very convenient. Yeah, that was an ass kicking last night.

[Big T]

Yeah, they're in bad, bad spot.

[PFT Commenter]

Brewers got their ass kicked. Big T, where do you stand on game one? Bryce Turang, bottom of the ninth inning, bases juiced, inside pitch, and he. He jumps out of the way of it.

[Big T]

I mean, it's. It's a Reflex. But you gotta. You gotta try to stand in there. Yeah, I understand. I believe it was like a slider. It wasn't a fastball, if my memory serves.

[Chaps]

To be fair, the sliders are like 93 now.

[Big T]

Sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I was going like 90, probably 90 minutes.

[Big T]

It would have hit him in the thigh, though. He'd have been fine.

[PFT Commenter]

My thing is that I would have taken that one. I would have gotten hit, but not.

[Big T]

I would like to think, not out of choice, that you just don't have the reflexes.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

My reaction time would not allow me.

[Chaps]

To get out of the way of that ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Um, but yeah, also, if I had to think about it and I knew it was coming, I'd just be like, okay, just bite down. Just. Just take a shot to the leg. And then maybe. Maybe your career is over at that point. I think my career would probably be over if I got hit with a 90 mile an hour pitch.

[Big T]

I respect that. He wanted to hit the ball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Didn't work out, but that's baseball.

[Chaps]

Yeah, you dream. Bases loaded.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

It's not taking a ball off the thigh.

[Big T]

I mean, it would. He would have been a hero had they won that game. But, you know, you do that hundreds of times. Your body is trained to get out of the way.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Hey, this is Rhea from Chicks in the Office. Sunday scaries are officially canceled. Abercrombie's new Sunday sets collection is taking their place. Made from their iconic soft AF fabric, these matching sweatshirts and sweatpants will give you that cozy Sunday feeling every day of the week.

[Chaps]

But.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But we can't forget the OG the A and F essentials collection. Specifically their viral essential popover hoodie that just came out in tons of new colors and prints. Permission to start living in sweats shop Abercrombie in the app, online and in stores.

[PFT Commenter]

That's very true. Before we started taping, we were talking about the most recognizable songs in America. Like, what song do you think that more people in the United States currently would be able to recognize? Sing along with. What's the criteria here? Big D?

[Big T]

I mean, it was Chaps's question. I think it's just that you know the words too, right?

[Chaps]

Yeah, because we were talking. I mean, I think you have to get rid of the National Anthem and Amazing Grace.

[Big T]

I don't know that the national anthem's in the running.

[Chaps]

Like, all the words. Like, I think I have. My wife talks about it a lot with me. I don't remember the words of any song. Like, there's even Songs that I have listened to thousands of times. I don't know all of the words.

[PFT Commenter]

What about songs from when you were, like, 13 years old?

[Chaps]

No, like, I just don't like. If you ask me, any song that I've ever liked, I cannot tell you the lyrics of it. I've always been fascinated by people that are on, like, American Idol that could go up there and they'll just sing a ton of songs and never forget or, like, the artist. Because I'm like, how do they do. I can't remember a song.

[PFT Commenter]

Just the memory part.

[Chaps]

Yeah, there's some, like, church songs that I knew because I would, like, sing them in church, but, like, songs on the radio. I don't think I know a single song's lyric.

[Big T]

What percentage of Americans do you think know all the words to the Star Spangled Banner? According to a 2018 YouGov poll, all of them.

[PFT Commenter]

That's tricky. Yeah, there's a lot of words.

[Big T]

49.

[PFT Commenter]

Are we talking about the. The secret third verse, too?

[Big T]

No, just.

[Chaps]

I don't believe 49. At all.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, 49. I think people.

[Big T]

You think it's lower?

[Chaps]

I think that.

[Big T]

Well, that's what.

[Chaps]

I think.

[Big T]

That's self reporting.

[Chaps]

I think if you did, like, a civics test, they. No way.

[Big T]

Well, that's what I was saying when you said we got to take out the national anthem. I don't think it's in the running.

[PFT Commenter]

I would count that as a song that people know because, like, they. Yeah, they can sing along to it. They might not get every word perfectly, but they've.

[Chaps]

They know that.

[Big T]

Like, if you know the song, you know the song.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but there's so many words in that. I. I would count that as they know the song.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I would, too. Like, if you can. Oh, say, like, everybody knows that and, like, the ending. So I feel like that would count. Amazing Grace. I think even if they don't know the words, people recognize that song easily recognizable. As far as pop culture song, I think it's Country Road.

[PFT Commenter]

Country Roads is probably up there. Country Roads is actually. That might be one of our finest exports.

[Chaps]

Could be.

[PFT Commenter]

You watch the. The NFL games in Germany, and the entire crowd sings along to Country Roads.

[Chaps]

Very popular song in Japan.

[PFT Commenter]

Really?

[Chaps]

Huh.

[PFT Commenter]

I didn't know that.

[Chaps]

It's on every karaoke list out in town.

[PFT Commenter]

Wow. And it was also written about Western Virginia, not West Virginia.

[Big T]

Correct.

[PFT Commenter]

And Maryland. It was also kind of written about Maryland.

[Big T]

I think the answer to your question is probably, like, a children's song, like Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.

[PFT Commenter]

Rabc.

[Big T]

Well, I forget if we've talked about this, you know they changed the Alphabet song. Do you know about this?

[Chaps]

I've heard about this.

[Big T]

It's horseshit.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I will never do that.

[PFT Commenter]

No, the Alphabet song's a banger.

[Big T]

It's like H, I, J, K, L, M, N and get that on my face. Yeah, it's. It's nonsense.

[PFT Commenter]

Elemental P. Yeah, Got rid of it. Elemental P. It's fun to say.

[Big T]

They got rid of the element.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I don't like that.

[Big T]

In terms of a pop culture song though, I had one and now I've lost it.

[PFT Commenter]

I would say Mr. Brightside might be up there. Excuse, Young.

[Big T]

What's the song I just had coming.

[PFT Commenter]

Out of my cage and I've been doing just.

[Big T]

Oh, sweet Caroline.

[Chaps]

Sweet Caroline would be up there.

[PFT Commenter]

At least the chorus.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah. It's pretty elementary and also written about.

[PFT Commenter]

A 13 year old girl. Kind of interesting.

[Big T]

Well, what are you gonna do?

[PFT Commenter]

What are you gonna do? It was a different time.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What about respect? Aretha Franklin?

[Big T]

I don't think the kids know that anymore.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I don't think the kids know that.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't think so?

[Chaps]

No, I'm trying to think of one.

[PFT Commenter]

Mad dog and my kid. I know.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know if like young kids do though. I don't know if young kids know a single song.

[Big T]

Yeah, they just know Tick tocks.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They just know six, seven.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I like actually wouldn't trust any kid to know any song at any moment in time.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Yeah, I agree. But I feel like 67 is about to end.

[Big T]

I don't know.

[Chaps]

41'S back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Wait, what 41, what is that? Isn't that the Hoopa?

[Chaps]

Oh, 6, 7, 41. It's in the same thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Look it up.

[Big T]

I don't know about 41.

[Chaps]

That's the benefit of having I have a middle schooler.

[Big T]

But see I'm. Well, I'm very familiar with 6.

[Chaps]

7:41 is the other one.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the B side.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, but is it individual or is it Only correlated with 6 7?

[Chaps]

6 7? It's the opposite end. It's the polar opposite of success.

[PFT Commenter]

You're gonna be in gangs form around the jets and the Sharks.

[Chaps]

Yep, I love doing that. Like, what's one of my favorite parenting things right now? When my kid who's 13, all the buddies come over and I just use middle school slang. Like I. I watch so many tick tocks about it just so I can with my kids.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Dad's chopped right now.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I'll come in. You are so unchapped mewing right now. Mewing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

That's the Rizzler thing. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I would say any child below 16, don't trust them to know a single song. But I think 16 year olds know.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think. I think they know songs.

[Chaps]

They definitely know something.

[PFT Commenter]

Kids know songs.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What songs do they know?

[PFT Commenter]

You sound like Auntie right now.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Am I on Garn.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Oh, damn.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's tough.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I think respect isn't one that people.

[Chaps]

No, I don't think respect is either.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Maybe not in the usa.

[PFT Commenter]

Party in the usa. That's a good one.

[Chaps]

No, olds don't know that.

[Big T]

That's.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

If this was England. England has so many songs they know. Actually, it might be Seven Nation army, just.

[Big T]

No, that's Sandstorm.

[Chaps]

See, I don't think they could tell you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't think they could tell you that. That it is Seven Nation army, though. I think they're like, oh, it's that song that they play football games.

[PFT Commenter]

They just know to chant to it. But in England, they know. They know Seven Nation Army. They know that. Really? Well, they know Mr. Brightside. They almost took over Mr. Brightside over in England.

[Big T]

Well, they know a bunch of songs. It's just all to three different tunes. And they're about soccer players.

[PFT Commenter]

They know Oasis. Don't Look Back in Anger.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Champagne Supernova.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. So Sally Can Wait.

[Chaps]

That might be the. I think that's their best song.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree.

[Chaps]

That song's so good.

[PFT Commenter]

It is. They've got some bangers.

[Chaps]

Do you think Jack White hates Seven Nation army now?

[Big T]

Yes.

[Chaps]

Because he's not like a pop guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like that. It's played in every sports stadium. Not like a huge sport guy. I bet he hates that. He wrote it.

[PFT Commenter]

And he is the kind of guy that would, like, turn his back on his own creation because it went too mainstream.

[Chaps]

He never plays it ever.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I bet you he hates that song. I bet you a lot of. Obviously, Jack White and the White Stripes, not one hit wonders, but I think one hit wonders grow to hate their own song.

[Chaps]

Without a doubt. Like Chumbawamba.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Chamberwamba is like a band of. Of English anarchists. Yeah. Like actual anarchists.

[Chaps]

And they're known for some silly ass song.

[PFT Commenter]

And they're known for a silly ass song that was the most commercialized thing ever.

[Chaps]

You know who. One of my favorite bands that has been plagued with that too. I think Bare Naked Ladies are, like, drastically underrated. Their album, Rock Spectacle that they put out that's like semi live is. If I was. If you gave me five albums that I could take to a deserted island, that would be one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I agree. Bare Naked lady is very, very good band. They're in it. So when you say that there's a song that they probably hate or you're talking about it's been. Yeah, one week.

[Chaps]

Yeah. But I know that they made, like, $45 million off the licensing of that song, so that probably helps.

[PFT Commenter]

Underrated Bangers by them the Old Apartment Broke Into. That's a great song.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Brian Wilson.

[PFT Commenter]

Brian Wilson. Or is it Ryan Wilson?

[Chaps]

I forget.

[PFT Commenter]

Brian Wilson. That's a great song.

[Chaps]

And that.

[PFT Commenter]

That was recorded live, right?

[Chaps]

Yeah. Yeah. That song is unbelievable.

[PFT Commenter]

And we're even exposing ourselves if there's, like, some real B L fans out there that are listening. They're like, these guys are casuals. Because we're naming. We're naming singles big time. Bare Naked Ladies. But, yeah, they. They had, like, a Die Hard following the Pro. They probably resented the success of Bare Naked Ladies a little bit. It's like, this used to be our thing. Now it's Carson Daly's thing.

[Chaps]

I bet they also really hate the fact that their name was Bare Naked Ladies. I think that kept them off the radio for a long time.

[PFT Commenter]

It might have.

[Chaps]

Because back in the day, you throw on something, you're not getting that song played on the South. In the South. Like, you have WAP from Jacksonville. They're not saying, we got Bare Naked Ladies. Like, that's not happening.

[Big T]

I'm sorry. There's a radio station called wape.

[Chaps]

It's a little W, A, P, E. And their little mascot that they would have, like, on the billboards with WAPE on it would be a huge silverback gorilla.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome. Yeah, that's a great, great name for radio station. But I. I think Bear. Bare Naked Ladies is a good name for a band, especially if you're just, like, starting to grow now.

[Chaps]

Because I think it would work now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Live next Tuesday at Reggie's Bare Naked.

[Chaps]

Ladies at Riot Fest. You would think that'd be a Riot Fest band. Imagine if they come out there. It's been one week, like, right after Slayer.

[PFT Commenter]

That might be one of my favorite lyrics to sing. It's been.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that's good. Chicken to China. The Chinese chicken.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Very underrated band. All right. Anything else? In terms of the most popular songs that everybody in the US Knows, Anything coming to mind?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I hate to be that person, but is Love Story By Taylor Swift on absolutely not.

[Big T]

Not even close.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, never mind. Goodbye.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's super popular amongst a large demographic, but I think there's a lot of people that don't know it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Totally fair.

[Big T]

I don't even think that's her most popular song. I'm just.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

For some reason you're saying most popular songs ever. I'm thinking of, like, songs that they play at weddings that everyone sings to.

[Chaps]

Oh, my heart will go on I.

[PFT Commenter]

Will always love you.

[Chaps]

That's a big one. I bet most people know that one because it crosses, like, generations from when Dolly Parton released it to now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

I don't know if the Youngs know it. Like, I don't think my. Well, maybe my kid, because he hears it whenever I'm in the shower.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

I'm a huge Whitney Houston playlist.

[Big T]

I don't think people know it's a Dolly Parton song either.

[Chaps]

No, probably don't. I know she wrote that in Jolene on the same day.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That's the best day ever.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That is the best songwriting day of all time.

[Chaps]

That day probably made her $100 million.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think the most popular riff of all time is?

[Chaps]

Maybe. No, I would say my favorite riff of all time is when Prince played my guitar. Gentle weeps. Yeah, I think that's the best I've ever seen anybody play guitar.

[PFT Commenter]

A great solo, but in terms of riff, I think might be smoke on the water.

[Chaps]

But that's more bass, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, this guitar.

[Chaps]

Oh, is it?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's up there. Walk this way.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I don't know what the.

[PFT Commenter]

I would think crazy train.

[Chaps]

Maybe Stairway to heaven.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think crazy train's up there too.

[Chaps]

Crazy train will probably be up there.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, it's probably maybe satisfaction by the Rolling Stones.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Just real quick. I will always love you by Dolly Parton has 11 million views on YouTube. How many do you think Whitney Houston's has?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I'm gonna say like 500 million.

[Chaps]

I'm gonna say.

[Big T]

Not even close.

[Chaps]

I would say 1.3 billion.

[Big T]

1.8.

[PFT Commenter]

Holy damn.

[Chaps]

She'd be raking in that super chat money.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, my God. It's a great song. It is. When she sang the national anthem. That might be. There's a lot of national anthem discourse. That is probably the best national anthem.

[Chaps]

It's either one or two. I think it's one. Stapleton's is right up there.

[PFT Commenter]

Stapleton's is really good. What about the guy in Jacksonville that played the American flag guitar before the. The Chiefs, Jaguars, playoff game. Remember that guy?

[Chaps]

This should have been Derek Trucks.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Chaps]

But no, I don't remember that one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Whitney Houston before the. It was Bill's Cowboys Super Bowl, I think, in 1991. And it's like right when the US launched into desert Storm.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And so like patriotism was at an all time high.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then she gets up there and she fucking nails that national anthem. Goosebumps.

[Chaps]

And then they have the flyover when she's hit. Like it's the perfect timing. It won't get better than that.

[PFT Commenter]

That's when America peaked.

[Chaps]

That's probably peak America.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, the. The pre game for the 1991 Super Bowl. That's.

[Chaps]

We can't really make America great again because of that bathtub.

[PFT Commenter]

Which bathtub?

[Chaps]

The one she died in.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Rip.

[Big T]

Oh, wow.

[PFT Commenter]

Rip. And also shout out to Dolly. Still kicking it. Still banging it out. She looks great, by the way.

[Chaps]

Dolly.

[PFT Commenter]

Dolly looks great.

[Chaps]

Yeah. We had a scare last week, didn't we?

[Big T]

Well, we talked about. That was her sister's fault.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. That's some bad sister fake booking. Yeah, bad.

[Chaps]

She probably. She went crazy viral for it, though.

[PFT Commenter]

She did. She got those. She's gonna lean into heavy fake news. Yeah, yeah. And we're gonna get into the algorithms later because we did some research on social media algorithms. So that's gonna be the topic for today's episode. Big T's got some news that he dumped into the news file. The. The macrodosing news closet. Let's go in there, take a look. This first story, Big T, very funny. I was laughing about this last night.

[Big T]

He knows how to do it, man.

[PFT Commenter]

Donald Trump is very upset. He's. He's mad. He's mad online because Time magazine, they. They just. Him, he got by Time magazine. Here's what he posted on Truth Social. Time magazine wrote a relatively good story about me, but the picture may be the capital W worst of all time.

[Big T]

I love that. The woe.

[PFT Commenter]

The vote. They, quote, disappeared my hair and then had something floating on top of my head that looked like a floating crown, but an extremely small one. Really weird. I never liked taking pictures from underneath angles, but this is a super bad picture and deserved to be called out. What are they doing and why? All right, when I saw this, I don't know about you guys, my first reaction was to go find the picture and look at the picture. This is what. This is what we do at barstool. If there's like a bad picture of. Of big cat, like a bad angle, we'll be like, please delete this from the Internet.

[Chaps]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

But he did that to himself.

[Chaps]

Also, a mini crown is called a tiara.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's a good point. Did they disappear his hair? Did they Photoshop his hair out?

[Big T]

His head is, like, blocking the sun, so the. His wispy hair gets entangled with the. The halo of sunlight.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so that's what it was. So the small halo was actually the sun burning through his wispy hair, creating an illusion. Now, what about. What about his neck?

[Chaps]

His neck?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. See, I would. How many beers to Trump's neck?

[Chaps]

Zero.

[PFT Commenter]

Zero beers. It's. It's a nice neck. Let. Let the band play neck.

[Chaps]

You're getting at least the tip in.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a. It's a bad picture, I'll give him that. But I don't. I don't think I would have even noticed.

[Chaps]

Not even. The worst picture he's taken is the worst picture he's taking when he's playing tennis with his fat dumper out in the white pants.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that was a good one. I saw one recently where he's doing an extreme lean. You know, the Trump lean, where he just goes, like, 45 degrees forward? Pretty much. I don't know. Yeah.

[Big T]

Did you see him dominate Macron the other day?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big T]

Oh, you got to look up the handshake with Macron. Just absolutely put him in a body bag.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big T]

Held him there for, like, two minutes.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's see this. So our leaders greet each other. President Trump treats. Here we go. He's shaking his hand. They've got their. He's. Macron's got his arm around Trump's back. Now they're doing, like a. Was like a dap fist, and he's.

[Big T]

Trying to try it out, and Trump's just not letting him.

[PFT Commenter]

They're arm wrestling. I might disagree with that. That analysis, Big T. Why is that? Because Macron has obviously shaken hands with Trump many times. He knows what Trump does with, like, the polls. I think Macron is doing his own polls.

[Big T]

I think at the end, he gives one little one, but Trump is holding him there.

[PFT Commenter]

I also think that as they're shaking hands, Trump, he's very good at this. Like, as the person is trying to dominate the handshake, Trump will just break his attention away from the handshake and just point at something random in the crowd to show that he doesn't care about the handshake as it's happening. It's just all very natural to him. But, you know, in this particular instance, I See, I see two men just arm wrestling with each other while saying.

[Chaps]

Hello, just having a good time. Yeah.

[Big T]

That's what he does.

[PFT Commenter]

But yeah, that picture in Time magazine. I also don't think that anybody really cares about Time magazine except for Donald Trump.

[Chaps]

That's probably true.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's the only one. Like, if. If there's a cover story that's not flattering to his administration, he's like, to him, it's still like the most prestigious landscape or real estate in America is the COVID of Time magazine.

[Chaps]

I think that and the Nobel Prize are equal.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. It's things that like, he grew up seeing as like the pinnacle of. You've made it. You dominate American society. But I don't think anybody else cares about Time magazine.

[Big T]

How many individual households in the United States receive a subscription to Time magazine and open it up in print?

[Chaps]

7.

[PFT Commenter]

Are we talking about. Are we including dentists?

[Big T]

Office. That's why I said individual households.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, well, you could probably look that up online. I'm gonna guess like 50,000.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that's probably about right across the board.

[PFT Commenter]

It can't be much more than that, right?

[Chaps]

I mean, paying for a subscription to anything is such an antiquated idea. I mean, there's probably people that are in there, like a Disney plus membership that you haven't used for a while that you just don't have the patience or the will to go online and cancel it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

As of late 2024, Time magazine had a combined print and digital circulation of 1 million. So almost all that is online.

[PFT Commenter]

Gotta be.

[Big T]

I might be. You might have been pretty close.

[PFT Commenter]

And I think the vast majority of the.

[Big T]

And that includes doctor's offices.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think public places. Let's just put that all into one bucket. Whether that's like a free newsstand at like a library or. I don't know.

[Chaps]

I feel like they're more. Magazines are more popular in dentist office than anywhere else. That's the only time I ever look at one now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

And it's usually the high life. I still like to do the mazes on the back.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, the one for. For kids.

[Big T]

Highlights.

[Chaps]

Highlights, yeah. I like to do that one.

[Big T]

Still my life. Different thing.

[Chaps]

True. What is that?

[Big T]

I think that's the. The weed magazine, right?

[PFT Commenter]

High Times.

[Chaps]

High times. I think the high post too.

[PFT Commenter]

If you. If you pick up a highlights magazine, you go for the back maze.

[Chaps]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I go straight for Goofus and Gallant.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I want to see what those boys are up to these days.

[Chaps]

What was your favorite book series when you were little. And why was it Berenstein Bears?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, Berenstein Bears, they were bangers. Just one right after the other. I liked. I liked the Redwall books. Oh, that's a little bit later.

[Chaps]

You know who just gave me that whole set? Tarani.

[PFT Commenter]

Really?

[Chaps]

Because I like. I used to. On fantasy books for the longest time. I've gotten really into them the last year and a half. And he was like, you got it. This is the fantasy book that made me like fantasy book.

[PFT Commenter]

And he.

[Chaps]

I was like, I'll check it out. Then the next day brought in like seven books.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I. I was. I was really into those in like, fourth, fifth grade. I've talked to Nick about that a few times. There was Martin the Warrior. There is Red Wall.

[Chaps]

And it's just like. So if you don't know what it is, like mice and that have like, anthropomorphism.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There. It's like Medieval Times, but every person is some sort of rodent or small animal. Yeah. And so electric. There's like a Martin the Warrior was some sort. I think he might have been a tiny mouse that was really in a battle. There were some badgers that would roll around just up. And then they would have these huge feasts at the end of every battle.

[Chaps]

I haven't read it. I think that might be my next book. I'm doing My People by Frederick Bachman now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

But might go into that.

[PFT Commenter]

Do. Do you think kids these days read comic strips?

[Chaps]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

That's sad. I. That was. Honestly, my favorite book series were just like compilation of comics. So. Like the Calvin and Hobbs compilation. Hobbs was the Far side. Compilations.

[Chaps]

Arthur.

[PFT Commenter]

Arthur was good. Also Outland or Bloom County. The ones with Opus the Penguin.

[Chaps]

Shout out Opus.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, shout out Opus. Those were. Those are great. I spent a lot of time. My parents used to take me to the library sometimes. And they'd be like, okay, check out a book. And I would just always get some sort of comic book. And they're like, we want you to actually read books.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I was like, these are technically books. Just a lot of drawings.

[Chaps]

I want to encourage my kid to read more. So I'll say, like, if you read something and you tell me what it's about, then I will give you money for Starbucks. And so my kid comes in. I'm like, I read a diary of a wimpy kid. I'm like, the out of here. You're 13, you're not 7.

[PFT Commenter]

Also on Big T's news closet that he dumped over here. I'VE not seen this before, Big T. Me neither. But apparently spending time at the beach is very different now than it. It used to be. In terms of being advertised to this one.

[Chaps]

This new story actually triggered me.

[PFT Commenter]

So there's floating billboards that just go up and down the coastline, and they're digital billboards that promote this one for McDonald's.

[Big T]

Wawa.

[PFT Commenter]

Wawa. Get the fuck out of here with this.

[Big T]

I would be. I would be okay with the government stepping in and exerting extreme power in this situation.

[Chaps]

The Coast Guard should.

[Big T]

To eliminate this.

[PFT Commenter]

We got some F35s that are flying over the Caribbean right now that are. That are targeting boats of alleged cartel members and hitting them with air to ground missiles. This is what you should be deploying your ordinance on also.

[Chaps]

That's insane.

[PFT Commenter]

It is kind of insane that we're not talking about that more.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

As a country, it's just like. Yeah, we're just gonna. We got. We're just gonna send our airplanes out into international waters and start up and just see if anybody says anything at all to it.

[Chaps]

Just start killing people. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Let us. Let us know if somebody has something to say. Anybody got a problem with it? Didn't think so. Venezuela. Yeah. It is. It is nuts. It's also crazy that they're just releasing the footage of it.

[Chaps]

Yeah. And bragging about it.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like. Yeah. This is.

[Chaps]

It makes me. You know what pisses me off about it? Because I had to have positive identification when I was, like, in Iraq. Like, I had to see muzzle flashes shooting at me in order to return fire.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like, you had to get shot at first to be able to, like, rules of engagement. And now it's like, oh, those guys are on a boat. They might be. And you could kill them. Yeah. But I could see somebody with an AK47 pointed at me and I can't pull the trigger.

[PFT Commenter]

You have to wait till he misses.

[Chaps]

Yeah. You have to wait till there's a bullet in your arm.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

How. How strictly was that followed?

[Chaps]

A thousand percent by everybody. I mean, there's pro onesie and 2. It's a war crime. Like, without a doubt. Like if for us, but the other.

[Big T]

Side is willing to do it.

[Chaps]

Doesn't matter. You abide by the Geneva Convention. Like, even if they're doing guerrilla warfare, you're. You abide. Like, there was times where whenever I was walking with my dog and we had like a prisoner where one of the company commanders be like, it'd be really cool if you kind of release that dog. On the guy.

[Big T]

Because.

[Chaps]

And I'm like, no way, man.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, that exposes you to, like, severe.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Like going military tribunal, all that stuff. Like, no, thank you. But it, it is very strictly followed.

[PFT Commenter]

By, I think a lot of what we saw in the news about, like, people getting in trouble for that sort of thing. That a lot of contractors were more.

[Chaps]

Likely to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Blackwater guys.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Private contractors that, that had ways of either getting around it or just a group of guys that they were all like, hey, I'm not going to say anything. You're not going to say anything.

[Chaps]

It definitely happened. And a lot of those guys got pardoned. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And when Obama was doing drone strikes on people, like, he, he was drone striking American citizens overseas, and that was, that was a big problem. This is like, I wrote a paper.

[Chaps]

On that actually in college.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah, it's a big problem.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Like, they were like, we stripped you of your citizenship. Can't do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And then we're just going to fly a robot overseas.

[Chaps]

And then in Yemen, where we didn't even have, like, real troops on the ground or anything. Yeah, it was in Yemen.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Like, do you think that they would have done that if there was. If that same supposed terrorist was in, like, Italy? Do you think that we would fly.

[Chaps]

Absolutely.

[PFT Commenter]

A drone over there and bomb? No chance. It would be, it would be like so much more in the news. Since it was in Yemen, people, I think in America were like, oh, we're probably at war over there.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That sounds like one of those countries that we're currently in already.

[Chaps]

So that's why people get disillusioned with the government. I feel like, I mean, whenever Obama was president, they bombed that fucking hospital and bombed a wedding with drone strikes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

And they don't get, get in trouble for that at all. But again, like, if I don't get, if I don't see a muzzle flash, I get in trouble. But you can, you can kill 60 people at a hospital.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

And nothing happens. There's no accountability.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And, and the, the, that we're doing in the Caribbean, it's like, it's just so in your face that it's hard to, for people to grasp. Like, this is extremely illegal.

[Chaps]

Rand Paul. I'm not a big Rand Paul guy, but he made a great point about it. He was like, when the Coast Guard does interdiction and they think that they have somebody that is smuggling narcotics, and about 50% of the time they're wrong whenever they go in and they board a ship. So Even if you do 50% for the same type of action, you're talking about at this point, five, six boats full of people that got killed for, like, not doing anything.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

That's the whole point of due process.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But, yeah, I'm in favor of drone striking these particular boats that have advertisements on them.

[Chaps]

Yes. Same thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's. For a while, all we had to contend with at the beach was, like, the planes that would fly overhead with the banners that dragged behind them. I don't like those.

[Chaps]

Yeah. There should be no advertising zones.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Chaps]

Like, capitalism has gone too far. Whenever you get advertised for a fucking Wawa sub.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What's next?

[Big T]

Well, you can advertise for it, just not in the ocean.

[Chaps]

No, that's what I'm saying. It should be zones.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like, you can't. There are certain things that you can't do within 100ft from the shore or like, with. On the coast. Like, you have, like, a zone, a safe zone around certain areas where you can't do capitalism.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Is the national parks. Do they have that?

[Chaps]

No advertising in the national parks? I don't know. I would imagine so. Because it's a government entity.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you imagine just like a giant, like, apple banner being unfurled on Half Dome in Yosemite? That'd be up.

[Chaps]

It would be.

[PFT Commenter]

I hope we have rules against that. But I would. I would be completely on board for no advertisements at the beach.

[Chaps]

What do you think you would accept as an advertisement? Is there any advertiser that you would accept on the top of Mount Rushmore?

[PFT Commenter]

On Mount Rushmore?

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Part of my take.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Download, like a QR code that subscribes you to part of my take.

[Chaps]

I wouldn't mind saying, how far is it to the closest Buc EE's?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

From on there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Just not cars for kids. No, it's of course for kids. Gets in our parks.

[Chaps]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

At that point, I might just disown my citizenship and just move.

[Chaps]

Not a kid guy.

[Big T]

I was thinking this morning about how I'm like, six weeks away from being able to go to Bucky's.

[Chaps]

Bucky, what's your go to that you get there?

[Big T]

Well, it depends Time of day, so.

[Chaps]

All right, 11:30.

[Big T]

So it's lunchtime now.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So obviously you get some of the beaver chips. You can get the brisket sandwich if you want. That's fine. I like the breakfast stuff better. They have the breakfast burritos. They have the. The tots. They've got all sorts of stuff at great cinnamon Rolls there. So I. I like. And when we're. I'm going to where we'll be driving from Nashville to Knoxville for the UT game. So it'll be in the morning. And then obviously, in terms of the. The snacks and stuff, they have the strawberry sour power belts. It's the best candy you're gonna find. I buy like 10 bags of them and have it stored in my home throughout the next six months until I can go to Bucky's again.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Chaps]

Have you ever had the turkey melt from there?

[Big T]

No.

[Chaps]

It is on the roll is what makes it. It's essentially the same roll that they have, like a bigger version of the one that they have at Texas Roadhouse.

[Big T]

Really?

[Chaps]

Yeah. So, like, the ones that you could put a little bit of hot butter on, they have a bigger version where they cut it in half, and it's a turkey melt on the inside. It is. It's one of the most underrated sandwiches that there is.

[PFT Commenter]

That sounds incredible.

[Chaps]

Yeah. And they use the super shredded lettuce on there, which I really like.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, my God, that makes me so hungry right now.

[Big T]

And then when I'm doing a trip like that, like Nashville to Knoxville and back in the same day, the first stop at Bucky's is very quick. You get a drink, you get a snack, you get out. The second trip on the way back is when you peruse and get some of your items and things like that.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that.

[Chaps]

And a 7.99 Yeti Cup.

[Big T]

Oh, I get it. I get a tumbler every single time I go to Bucky's.

[Chaps]

Why would you not?

[Big T]

Yeah, my.

[Chaps]

I have so many of those in my cabinet that when friends come over, they're like, do you have any regular cups or is it all just yetis? And I'm like, it's essentially all yetis. Like, it is the perfect cup. Like, if you get a soda, fill it up with ice, that bad boy is not sweating. There's no condensation anywhere. And it's going to be cold for like, three hours without getting watered down. It's the perfect cup. Why would you have anything else? A plastic cup. Get it out of my face. Sweating all over my furniture.

[PFT Commenter]

I just love the idea that Big T's got. Like, first trip is for business.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Second trip is for also games in the afternoon. You got to get there there. We gotta. We gotta be there in a timely fashion. Then on the way back, you. You take your time.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Leisurely.

[PFT Commenter]

What's the biggest thing that they sell.

[Big T]

At Bucky's Grills physically grills like big chairs.

[PFT Commenter]

Have they gotten into the giant skeleton market yet?

[Big T]

I'm certain they have.

[Chaps]

Oh, a giant ghost beaver would be sick.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, my God. That'd be awesome. I saw the biggest giant skeleton that I've ever seen in my life at Costco the other day. This thing is it dwarfs? You think you've seen a giant skeleton before? This Halloween is about to be even spookier.

[Chaps]

The one that's like 20ft tall?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that was the old one. This one, I. I want to say is more like 50ft.

[Chaps]

Whoa. That's too much skeleton. It was houses.

[PFT Commenter]

Incredible. I thought about getting one for my roof.

[Big T]

You go to the Costco. It's like, near a Chick Fil A.

[PFT Commenter]

There's a Chick Fil A nearby? Yeah.

[Big T]

Okay. I think we go to the same Costco.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Chaps]

That's sick.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe see you there one time. Yeah. Saturday morning.

[Big T]

Well, I would never, ever go on a Saturday. Is that when you go Saturday morning?

[PFT Commenter]

Sometimes.

[Big T]

That's crazy.

[Chaps]

That is crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Why is that crazy?

[Big T]

You gotta go waiting through a sea of humanity.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, that's when I can go to Costco. You think. You think everybody that's at Costco on a Saturday morning goes to Costco because they're like, this is the perfect time of week to go.

[Big T]

No, but that's the reason you shouldn't.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but when else am I going to go to Costco?

[Big T]

You're telling me you don't have a. Another 30 minutes the whole week?

[PFT Commenter]

I would say Saturday mornings by far are the most consistent time when I would have. And 30 minutes. Are you kidding? You kidding me?

[Chaps]

Yeah. It's an hour process at least. As now that they've gone to Coke and they've gone away from Pepsi. Whoa.

[Big T]

When did that happen?

[Chaps]

In the last, like, two months.

[Big T]

I may not have been. In two months.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Really?

[Chaps]

They went Coke products.

[Big T]

I might. I might need to go tonight.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, there are some times that I'll go to Costco just to get food. Dog food. And in which case I know exactly where it is. I make a beeline for the back.

[Chaps]

Blue buffalo.

[PFT Commenter]

Throw that in sometimes. Well, no, I actually, I do a mix because I do farmer's dog. But then I also, if it's dry kibble, it'll be the Costco brand, like Nature's domain, which is sneaky. A really, really good type of dog food. It is like, all the ingredients in there are. Are very good for dogs. Way better than most stuff you can get at, like Petsmart. And it's cheap too. It's like 39 bucks a bag. But I know exactly where that is. I walk in, beeline for the back. Back corner, toss it in, beeline to the front. That, that's a trip. I can make in like 15 minutes. In and out. But then you got to deal with the whole Costco parking lot thing.

[Chaps]

A one purchase Costco trip is an abomination to the Lord.

[PFT Commenter]

It is. Yeah.

[Chaps]

That's not even taking advantage of your executive membership.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not. I feel like that's a waste when I do that.

[Big T]

But you have the exact.

[PFT Commenter]

I got the exact. Yeah. Not to brag. Black card.

[Big T]

I want to. It's just I don't need it.

[Chaps]

But no, it's a status thing.

[Big T]

I do wish I had the black card.

[Chaps]

It's kind of like getting a United card so you can go into the lounge. Like I don't need to go into the lounge, but it's cool when you can.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you want to see the black card?

[Big T]

Big T. I've seen it. You have a Velcro checkerboard wallet.

[PFT Commenter]

I do, Yeah, I do. It's a RFID blocking though.

[Chaps]

This is about to be a dick measuring contest with, with you. I cannot wait to see your, your executive card.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I bet you're gonna crush me on it.

[Chaps]

I cannot wait to see it here.

[Big T]

Yeah, see?

[Chaps]

Let's see the back ears.

[PFT Commenter]

Look at this bad boy.

[Chaps]

Embarrassing. You could barely see me on the.

[Big T]

Back for a while.

[Chaps]

Yeah, it's even black and white, chaps.

[PFT Commenter]

When did you get your first Costco membership?

[Chaps]

When? What year? Yeah, 2008.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, it says right there on the back how long you've had it.

[Chaps]

When did you get yours? This is my own. My wife had as soon as we got married.

[PFT Commenter]

She got one that says 2015 right there.

[Chaps]

Chat. It does.

[Big T]

What was yours?

[PFT Commenter]

2011.

[Chaps]

How many cards have you got? That's clearly a new card.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't, I don't hang on to it.

[Chaps]

You get a new card, you update.

[PFT Commenter]

I update occasionally.

[Chaps]

Got a real id?

[PFT Commenter]

I, I, I update occasionally.

[Big T]

You have a real id?

[Chaps]

No, cuz I have a, I have a military ID card so I don't have to.

[PFT Commenter]

I got passport.

[Big T]

Yeah, same.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know that I'm ever going to update.

[Big T]

I'm just hoping that eventually they're like we were.

[Chaps]

This is.

[Big T]

Screw it. Whatever.

[PFT Commenter]

How does that make us safer?

[Chaps]

It doesn't.

[Big T]

Doesn't. It was supposed to go in like 2003.

[Chaps]

Yeah, it's the dumbest thing ever. Like who? I mean, even your identity. How many people are on a watch list? Just get rid of it. Like, there's too much to the amount of people that work in a TSA checkout line. I don't. Not security line is insane.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

40 people to watch Kindle go through.

[Big T]

We. We did a TSA thing, I think, last show. We talked about them quite a bit.

[PFT Commenter]

We did. Although I always go out of my way to be nice to the people at TSA because they don't like. They don't like feeling you up or their job. Or their job. Like, they're. They're not happy that they're there.

[Chaps]

I mean, imagine how many times, take your shoes off, put it in a bin. All electronics bigger than a cell phone. Put it in a bin by itself.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Take your jackets off. You can leave your belt on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like, how many times a day can you say that without. Want to blow your brains out?

[PFT Commenter]

You can keep your hat on, sir. Sir, keep your hat on.

[Chaps]

Hold it in your hand, hold it out.

[PFT Commenter]

But there are different rules depending on which line you're going through, like at different airports. And sometimes they get a little snippy with you if you're like, hey, do I have to take my laptop out? And they're like, no.

[Chaps]

Do you not see? This is the Rammer 2017.

[PFT Commenter]

Of course you don't have to, like, I don't know. Listen, man, I know you just work here, but I just fly here.

[Chaps]

I don't.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know all the rules. Big T. Also in the news, you've got a video. I did not watch the 30 minute skip Bayless video that he put out.

[Big T]

I watched the first three or four.

[PFT Commenter]

It's regarding Travis Hunter's baptism. Yeah, can you just give me the. The Reader's Digest version of this?

[Big T]

He was very upset that Travis got baptized the morning of a one o' clock game, saying that he needs to be taking football more seriously.

[PFT Commenter]

I love that. I love that.

[Big T]

And somehow continue doing that for 30 minutes.

[Chaps]

I agree. If he didn't get baptized, maybe he's on side in the. The last little bit of the game. And that Brian Thomas Jr. Touchdown catches. And like, that's actually a touchdown because his toes are 2 inches over the line.

[PFT Commenter]

I like that. Yeah. He thought he was above the law because he was walking with the Lord.

[Chaps]

That's exactly right. You need to walk back behind the line of scrimmage.

[PFT Commenter]

But yeah, Roger Goodell, that's your God.

[Chaps]

And you just look over and it's like your own little Saint Peter that's standing there like, am I too far? And they check back and give you the thumbs up or not. Forgot to check with St. Peter.

[Big T]

I've heard they're not doing that anymore.

[Chaps]

They're not.

[Big T]

They're not, you know, they're not telling receivers. Yeah. If they're on side or not. And then they're throwing flags for it.

[Chaps]

That's stupid.

[PFT Commenter]

That is dumb. They did that to Terry. Terry McLaurin in a game against the Giants, like, five years ago, where he checked in twice with the referee. He's like, hey, I'm off the ball. And the ref, like, looked at him and nodded. He's like, just to make sure I'm off the ball right now. And the ref didn't say. And then they threw. It was like a touchdown. Either a run or a pass to the other side of the field. Terry didn't do anything on the play. And the ref. Boom.

[Chaps]

Flag.

[PFT Commenter]

No touchdown.

[Big T]

Brutal.

[PFT Commenter]

Such. Yeah. You know what? The Bible should be the NFL rule book.

[Chaps]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what. That's what you swear upon when you step on this field. I love that Skip's at it, though. Know, I. I really do. And he knows how to push all the buttons. The thing is, though, I do think that Skip Bayless believes almost all the dumb that he says. Yeah.

[Chaps]

Because you can't be that passionate about fake for that long.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's just naturally kind of an.

[Chaps]

And you can't retire from takes.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you can't.

[Chaps]

If you're in the take biz, you. You take until you die.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he.

[Chaps]

He.

[PFT Commenter]

He tried doing that for a little bit, but then he was like, I. I just miss it too much. Hey, Ernestine, do you want to do a podcast with me so that at least all these takes that I'm giving you, we can monetize them somehow. We can talk about who's on your hall pass list.

[Chaps]

Talk about LeBron versus Jordan.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. That. She probably got sick of that conversation.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah.

[Chaps]

Leaving Costco with his one bag of dog food, and he's like, so who do you think is better?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And just get into random debates with people all day. I. I think a guy like that can never get out of the take business. Truly. I think that's. It's so far deep in his blood that he will always. He always going to be like that. But we've seen a real. A real boom of dudes starting podcasts with their wives.

[Chaps]

How do we feel about it?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know. Like RG3 did the same thing.

[Chaps]

Yeah. KD.

[PFT Commenter]

KD did the same thing. I think it's convenient. I think you get to, you get to spend time with each other.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But I don't know what the, the target audience is for people that want to watch a guy and his wife debate sports.

[Chaps]

I also don't get when people like argue with their spouse in public. I feel like that's a weird thing to do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Because guess what? There's going to be like certain things that bleed through into your sports arguments that you're, you're putting out. If you're putting it out as content. There's gonna be like little things that you're upset with each other for that's gonna just get broadcast to the entire world.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And that probably isn't the healthiest thing.

[Chaps]

I don't even like talking serious stuff in an Uber. Yeah. People I know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Much less the Internet.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But yes, Capela is going to be. He's gonna be there for a long time. He's gonna be in our lives for a long time.

[Chaps]

Maybe. How old is like 79?

[PFT Commenter]

He looks good for his age.

[Big T]

He's not that old, is he? He looks, I bet he's 68.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh.

[Chaps]

I think he's out of his 60s.

[PFT Commenter]

You think so?

[Big T]

I think 72, 73, 74.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Damn.

[Big T]

Wow.

[PFT Commenter]

Old. This man works out President. This man eats the same lunch every single day. Turkey sandwich. He has the same workout routine that he's done for like the last 30 years, 40 years. And this is all he knows. He's. He's not going to change. I bet. Yeah. He's riding high off this Vandy for sure. Big tears. Are you scared of Andy?

[Chaps]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Not even a little bit?

[Chaps]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you respect Vandy?

[Big T]

They're solid team this year.

[PFT Commenter]

But you don't respect them.

[Big T]

Depends how you define that word.

[PFT Commenter]

You're taking them lightly.

[Big T]

No, I'm not. Buddy. You do this thing every time. I've got Alabama this week. I have six games before I get to Vanderbilt. They're not on my radar.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Chaps]

That's fair.

[Big T]

This is the third Saturday in October is this week and you're talking about Vanderbilt. I don't care about Vanderbilt. And the week we're playing New Mexico State. I don't care about Vanderbilt. I care about New Mexico State.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big T]

This is a one week business.

[PFT Commenter]

Give me a prediction about Alabama, Tennessee.

[Big T]

I don't know. I don't think, I don't think we're going to win.

[PFT Commenter]

You got a chance. Yeah.

[Big T]

We have a Chance, we're an eight point underdog. It's. It's college football. I wouldn't pick us to win.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Chaps]

Do you view them as your biggest rival? Like, I know historically, Alabama, Tennessee is one of the bigger.

[Big T]

It just depends, like, the age group of people you ask. Like Tennessee fans, 40 and older would say Alabama, no question. I think younger people would say Florida. But now that game's going away on an annual basis. Really? Old people will say. Some would say Kentucky.

[PFT Commenter]

Really?

[Big T]

I think Tennessee. Kentucky is one of the most played games in the history of college football. And then obviously there's Vandy. So there's a few. But yeah, Bama, I. Especially now that we've won two of the last three and it's competitive again.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I feel like that rival rivalry went away a little bit because they beat the brakes off y' all for so long.

[Big T]

So it's good that that's a fun game again.

[Chaps]

It was same thing with us with the Colts, with the Jags and Colts. That wasn't a rivalry for a long time.

[PFT Commenter]

But it's back.

[Chaps]

It's back.

[PFT Commenter]

Jags are good.

[Chaps]

Ah. I wouldn't be surprised if we lost out and I wouldn't be surprised if we got 11 win.

[PFT Commenter]

Are you just saying that because you're scarred from that. That season a couple years ago where you started out so hot?

[Chaps]

No, I'm saying it because I think they're. I think they're bad. Like, I don't think they're a good team. Like, everybody's kind of gassing them up. The plays that Trevor has made, there's been so many dropped interceptions in the red zone. He overthrows. I feel like I want to. I have a take for you on wide receivers and turnovers.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Chaps]

If a wide receiver is running a deep post or nine route and is open by more than two steps and the quarterback overthrows him by five yards, that's a turnover.

[PFT Commenter]

The effect on the game is the same.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Maybe even more so because you. It's not just a fumble that you had at the 45. You for sure, with NFL wide receiver speed, gave up six right there.

[PFT Commenter]

Unless they end up scoring a touchdown on that drive.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Like, yeah, third down, it's definitely a turnover. Yeah. But I feel like if you. That's such a big play to miss. And he's probably missed five, six of them this year.

[PFT Commenter]

He's also the king of throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage.

[Chaps]

And he came in, he was supposed to be this cerebral guy like Andrew Luck style Super smart. He plays like an idiot.

[PFT Commenter]

He forgets where he's on the field.

[Chaps]

A lot because he's flustered. I feel like he's flustered a lot. Like this week when they were like, oh, he gave up 33 pressures. He held the ball forever.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they'll be okay.

[Chaps]

I don't think there'll be a schedule works out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I don't think they're going to win the division because the Colts are so.

[Chaps]

Good, which is weird.

[PFT Commenter]

It is very strange. But I think they'll be in contention for wild guard for sure.

[Chaps]

I mean, just based on their schedule, they have the Rams this week and then they go. They have the Titans still. Twice that they have to play.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

They have Houston one more time. They have the Raiders on the schedule. So realistically that should probably be four wins. They might lose to the Texans. Texans. Because they typically split. But either way that's three more. So you get the seven for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Well, I guess for sure. Not for sure, but probably most likely. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What do you think about their turnovers? Because their defense has been like lights out in terms of causing turnovers, Forcing, or are they lucky? Turnovers.

[Chaps]

I feel like most turnovers are lucky. Now. The only ones that they have a bunch of punch outs, which I think is earned turnovers.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

But like, fumble. Some of the fumbles I don't feel like are earned turnovers. Some of the picks that come off of, like, deflections, I don't. I don't know if that. I think turnovers basically always are kind of lucky.

[PFT Commenter]

There's some. Yeah. There's an element of luck that's in there, especially with fumbles like which way the ball bounces off the ground.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Like that interception that Devin Lloyd took back for 99 against Mahomes. I feel like that's kind of a lucky one.

[PFT Commenter]

A little bit lucky. Yeah. I think. I think Jaden Daniel's fumble was. I was not bad luck. That was just a bad play.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Bad play. It's going to take me a few weeks to fully get over that one big T. You know, college football is in full swing.

[Big T]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big T]

Big T. Well, you, you talked about how much you love Vanderbilt, so I, I looked at LSU at Vanderbilt this week. Vandy favored over a top 25 team, I believe I saw for like, I forget what the number was, but it was insane. First time in a very, very long time.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy. I, I, I think LSU is going to beat him. LSU's a flawed team, don't get me wrong. But I will be betting on lsu.

[Big T]

Make some money on that.

[PFT Commenter]

And if I go to the game, tell me some of the deals that you can get.

[Big T]

I can get you in on game time for $122 in Section Q at. It used to be Dudley field, now it's first Bank Stadium at Vanderbilt. Dudley. Whatever. 122 bucks.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Chaps]

Brian Kelly. LSU is a much better job than Penn State.

[Big T]

Brian Kelly would maybe do it. He's proven he'll take a lateral move just to kind of reset his clock and until people get pissed off at him again.

[Chaps]

Yeah, but that's not a better job.

[Big T]

I think it isn't.

[Chaps]

I think LSU is one of the best jobs in the country.

[Big T]

Yeah, they can talk to all these people. They want. Signetti is not leaving Indiana for Penn State. I think he's 64 years old.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't think so?

[Big T]

No. Why would he?

[PFT Commenter]

Money.

[Big T]

He will make a ton of money.

[PFT Commenter]

He's from Pennsylvania.

[Big T]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

He's got ties there okay.

[Big T]

He's already created a better program at Indiana than what Penn State has right now. And he can make the same amount of money at a school with less pressure where he's never going to get fired.

[Chaps]

They're playing a lot of nil money too.

[Big T]

Like they're, they have money now.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think that Penn State. Yes, there's expectations there, but the James Franklin tenure is kind of proven that you can have the expectations, but as long as you're pretty good, they'll keep you around. It's only when you fucking suck.

[Big T]

I would actually argue back to back.

[PFT Commenter]

Games against teams that you're 20 point favorites to. That's when they'll fire you.

[Big T]

I would actually argue that they've set an implicit expectation that we expect to win no fewer than 10 games every single season. And if you don't do that, we'll can you at the first opportunity.

[PFT Commenter]

But these were really bad losses.

[Big T]

They were with what was supposed to.

[PFT Commenter]

Be a great team.

[Big T]

He also went to the College Football Playoff semifinal last year. He did and has won, I believe 34 games the last three years.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but so what?

[Big T]

Coaches, you don't have to sign up for that.

[PFT Commenter]

You don't have the expectation of national championship or bust. You have that at lsu.

[Big T]

I don't, I don't know that I agree with that.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, they, they are not big fans of Brian Kelly right now.

[Big T]

Now some aren't.

[PFT Commenter]

I would say a lot.

[Chaps]

He was never a fit, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And that's also true. It's like they're. They will. They were overlook anything as long as you win. But if you don't win, they at least have to like you.

[Big T]

I understand why James Franklin was fired. And if that's what Penn State wants to do, by all means. I think they've set a dangerous precedent that they don't quite understand the ramifications of yet.

[Chaps]

I feel like with one of those jobs with Signetti going to Penn State, there is something, if you're in one of the big four conferences, of being the best coach in the history of that school.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Penn State will never look at somebody else as the best coach in the history of the school. He's already the best coach in the history of Indiana.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Can be like an absolute God in the state if he, if he continues to win nine, 10 games a year. He is the goat.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, what do you think about sneaky name SEC guy Kaylin DeBoer.

[Chaps]

What?

[Big T]

Listen, I, I respect you a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I do. As a, as a person, as a professional. Can you explain to me why the hell Caitlin DeBoer would leave the University of Alabama?

[PFT Commenter]

I will.

[Big T]

For Penn State.

[PFT Commenter]

I will.

[Big T]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

The fan base has shown him that they expect perfection, and if so, does Penn State? No, Penn State does not expect perfection. James Franklin's entire tenure has been a.

[Big T]

He won 10 games a year, and they fired him the first chance they could.

[PFT Commenter]

That is not. 10 games a year is not perfection. At Alabama, you lose to Florida State, and, like, you. You can't go grocery shopping.

[Big T]

I think if you pulled the Alabama fan base right now, it is dramatically different than it was six weeks ago ago.

[PFT Commenter]

It was. But if he loses a game, then they're like, this guy. This guy's a piece of.

[Big T]

That's what comes with football at Alabama.

[PFT Commenter]

This guy ain't sec. And that's what I'm saying. Like, that does not come at Penn State. That comes at Alabama.

[Chaps]

Probably the same amount of money for much less stress.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big T]

I. I think y' all are really undervaluing the fact that James Franklin has been motherfucked there for years for going 10 and 2 and just got canned because he lost a couple.

[Chaps]

But he was there for 11 years.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They're like, fuck this guy. He can't win a big game. But the next year, they're like, okay, this is the year for James Frank. Like, they don't. At Alabama.

[Chaps]

Two years in a row at Alabama's out.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, at Alabama. You know, Big T, you know that if. If James Franklin had the same track record at Alabama as he had at Penn State, he would have been gone five years ago.

[Big T]

Maybe.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, that's why.

[Big T]

That's. That's coaching football at Alabama. They pay you well for that kind of stress.

[PFT Commenter]

Listen, Big T, I respect you, but I have no idea what you're talking about when you say that you can't see a world where. Where Kaylin DeBoer is at least thinking it would be nice to not have, like, bomb threats against my house because I lost to Florida State.

[Big T]

If you would like to make a friendly wager that, Caitlin, I'll. I'll give you great odds.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, yeah, because he's not. I mean, he's not great odds right now, but I'm just saying, I. It's not the craziest thing to think.

[Big T]

It's the craziest thing to think.

[PFT Commenter]

Disagree.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I don't think it's the craziest. You know who I always thought would be a fantastic college coach, and he's never done it? Gus Bradley.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like, his personality and how like bubbly he is and like encouraging. Imagine your kid is going to school, like let's say he's at Penn State. You know, he's going to have a decent amount of nil money and it's got Gus Bradley that comes walking in the door. I think so many moms and dads would love that guy. If he could find good coordinators, he would be an amazing college head coach.

[PFT Commenter]

I just think that it's, it's tough to go to college from the NFL because there's so much stuff that goes along with it that is not part of your job. And what's made you good at being either a high profile coordinator, a head coach in the NFL and he might have the personality for it, but then there's a lot that you have to learn in terms of recruiting people that you have to talk to. The whole nil thing, the portal, it just seems like, it seems like a ton of stuff that you, I the only guys that have been good at it.

[Chaps]

Belichick.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Belichick's up there. Pete Carroll.

[Chaps]

Carroll.

[PFT Commenter]

Pete Carroll was great. He was a coach for the Patriots and then went to, to USC and just dominated there. You can make that case for, for Lane Kiffin as well. But I guess Lane had the background in college before he went to the NFL, then flamed out in the NFL, came back to college and, and has had a good amount of success there. But yeah, it's Matt Roll too. Matt Rule. Yeah, Matt Rule. But he was a college guy.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Up to the NFL, then back to college. I think it's easier. I don't know. What do you think? Have there been. What are the, the best examples of a college coach that has gone to the NFL and had like an enormous amount of success?

[Big T]

I mean, Carol did it both ways. Yeah, yeah. It's much it. Neither is easy, but it's infinitely easier to go from college to the NFL. Like coaches rave about assistants when they go from recruiting 360 days a year to go into the NFL and having like an off season, they're like, my life is so much better.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Going back to college would be, it'd be tough.

[Big T]

Who's the. Jeff Halfley. He was the Boston College head coach briefly and then now he's the. Is he the DC for the packers or something?

[Chaps]

College to NFL is easy. That Tom Coughlin by a mile.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I believe he said, like, I'm not going back to college coaching halfway.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He was the head coach at Boston College from 2020 to 2023.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you've had some, some people that were head coaches in college that have taken coordinator jobs in the NFL.

[Chaps]

It's.

[PFT Commenter]

It's pretty crazy. I am worried about a little bit, not necessarily Penn State, but a school like Virginia Tech or UNC. If things don't work out with Belichick taking JMU's head coach Bob Chesney, I feel like they. Kurt, Kurt Signetti's.

[Big T]

He's a northeast guy.

[PFT Commenter]

His success at Indiana, I think has, has put a big target on Bob Chesney being like, maybe it's. Maybe it's a system school.

[Chaps]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe they're just cranking out coaches there. And I feel like Bob Chesney's. He's done good enough with the Dukes where he will get a Power 4 offer this off season. And I, I don't know that he's going to turn it down.

[Big T]

By the way, all these schools that have already fired their coaches. If you line up all the coaches that are actually on the market, James Franklin's probably number one.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He's going to get a good, a good job.

[Big T]

Like if he wants to coach again, he can get another great Power 4 job.

[Chaps]

He could go back. He could do the Rutgers program and go back to Virginia Tech. Wasn't he Virginia Tech?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I actually think it'd be funny if Penn State hired Vandy's coach again, but I don't think he's leaving.

[PFT Commenter]

Who's their coach now?

[Big T]

Clark Lee. He's a Vandy graduate and he has done a good job there, but I don't. I don't think he's itching to leave.

[PFT Commenter]

Who do you like for. For Arkansas.

[Big T]

Arkansas. I mean, they should try to hire James Franklin.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

They spend too much money on basketball, so I don't know how attractive of a job it is, but I don't know. I haven't really heard any names linked to them yet. So.

[PFT Commenter]

I just want Coacho back.

[Chaps]

There's so many big schools with opening kind of exciting.

[Big T]

This year is going to be crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Florida's pre. Opened.

[Big T]

Yeah. They've kind of already.

[Chaps]

State probably too.

[Big T]

Florida State might. Auburn might. Oklahoma sneaky might. And then some of these schools are going to get sitting head coaches.

[PFT Commenter]

Who do you like for Florida, Lane?

[Big T]

If Florida will take him.

[Chaps]

You think that's a better job than Ole Miss?

[Big T]

Florida? Yeah, not even close. I think Florida has a case to be the best job in the country.

[Chaps]

Oh, I don't.

[Big T]

It's top five.

[Chaps]

I don't know, man. They struggled for so Long now.

[Big T]

Well, they've hired shitty coaches, but the recruiting base is incredible. The athletic department is one of the best that's ever existed. They have plenty of money. I think Georgia should be the best job in the country, all things being equal. But Florida is right up there. Yeah, it's going to be. It's going to be a crazy coaching carousel.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Chaps]

What happened to him?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, they said it was groin, and then pro football doc, he's like, I. I can't really say for sure what it is, but there's only one type of injury that would be a groin injury that led to hospitalization. Twisted. Twisting your balls. Oh, testicle torsion. Text. Yeah.

[Big T]

What?

[Chaps]

Oh, yeah. What?

[Big T]

What?

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, big T it when, like.

[Big T]

They, they switch sides or like.

[Chaps]

No, it gets wrapped around like tetherball.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Like one of them twists up and then it cuts off blood. And then if you don't go to a hospital, they have to take it, take it out. That's when I had my most Recent kidney stone. That's what I thought that I had because the pain was just like localized and in my nut. And so I went to the hospital and they like fast tracked me through the er. There's like a big waiting room. People, they're like, we need to get this guy an ultrasound. Then they did the ultrasound on my balls. And she was like, good news. There's blood flow. It's not twisted nut. I was so happy. I also felt so bad for the lady that had to do an ultrasound on my scrotum.

[Chaps]

Yeah. The lady that cleaned me up before my vasectomy. I felt so bad for her.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Do they talk about. Did you talk about the commander's game?

[PFT Commenter]

I did not talk about the commander's game yet. That's. That. That was my recap right there.

[Big T]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Big T]

That's the second time this show I've had no idea. If we're leaving something in, if we're.

[PFT Commenter]

Taking it out, I think we leave all that in.

[Chaps]

Yeah, talk. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, nut talk. I. I will talk briefly about the game on Monday night. That sucked. That sucked. It sucked. Everything sucked about that. Sucky. Way to. To lose a game. The refs actually tried to give the game to the commanders and we lost one of those, which you can't do.

[Big T]

Everyone on this show on Monday lost except me.

[PFT Commenter]

Congratulations. Yeah.

[Big T]

Monday Night Football shout out big come.

[PFT Commenter]

Up for the Falcons. Yeah. Sorry, Mackenzie.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, it's okay. Everybody's people are. Other people are worrying me. I'm not worried, but everybody else is worrying me.

[Big T]

There's no shame in losing to the Falcons. Falcons. Falcons might be pretty good.

[PFT Commenter]

The offense is like I was saying that it's that an eighth, an eighth. I'LL say a sixth grader even could design an effective Falcons offense. It's just like get the ball to Bijan.

[Big T]

I mean, imagine if they had more than one wide receiver.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, get the ball to Drake London. Get the ball to Kyle Pitts. And yes, that's exactly what you should do as an offense. Bijan is so good in space.

[Big T]

I believe Drake London was the only receiver who caught up pass on Monday night.

[PFT Commenter]

That's pretty nuts. Wow, that's crazy.

[Big T]

Pitts had a couple, but he was the only wide receiver.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm also like, you're not worried, McKenzie? I'm also not worried about Jaden Daniels. That was a, it was a bad play. He screwed that up. He knows he screwed it up. I don't think that he's a bad quarterback. I think he's a very, very good quarterback. I think he'll figure it out. That's not like there's nothing in his game that leads me to believe that that's going to be a problem for him. Like you could take other quarterbacks and say if you fumble in a clutch moment like that. We're seeing a pattern. And now we're beginning to doubt with Jaden. It's like the opposite. He's been so good in the clutch moments over the course of his career so far. I'm not going to be worried about that until it starts to become a problem. I think he's going to figure it out. Everything's going to be fine again. I don't think that we're going to win 12 games this year like we did last year. Our schedule is so much harder this year than it was last. But I still think that we'll be a good team. I think we'll be fighting for a wild card spot. I think that we might even, we might win a wild card game. But I don't think that the team, especially the slow ass defense, our old defense, is going to be able to take us to the super bowl next year. That's the super bowl season. I might even get a tattoo. Washington Commanders 2026 Super Bowl Championship I've.

[Chaps]

Always thought that we should, after like the super bowl, we should sell the team that lost the Super Bowl super bowl championship shirts.

[Big T]

We as in barstool or society?

[Chaps]

Both via barstool.

[Big T]

I tried. I went to the Louisville, Michigan Final Four national championship game. That was 2013 and Louisville one. And I was with my uncle and we were leaving and we were like, you know, nobody else in the world will have the Michigan national champion shirts. Like we should try to get them. And we went up and down to every person selling them, and nobody would do it. They say they get in huge trouble.

[Chaps]

Well, we could print them.

[Big T]

Yeah, right. We could.

[Chaps]

Like if you didn't use the actual team logo, like if it just said Jacksonville Super Bowl Championship. I guess they have the phrase super bowl trademarked.

[PFT Commenter]

They do, yeah. And the trophy.

[Chaps]

Yeah. And the SB Whatever.

[PFT Commenter]

World Champions.

[Chaps]

World Champions.

[PFT Commenter]

World Champions.

[Chaps]

World Champions. Big game champs.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Could you do super bowl all one word? Probably not, because super bowl is two words. They probably have that trademark. The one word. You guys want to talk algorithms?

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Isn't it weird that the name Al Gore is in the word algorithm in the Internet?

[Big T]

I have a quote from Al Gore.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, hit me.

[Big T]

I don't know if you saw it. Oh, you want. You want to just lead with it?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

He said that algorithms are the, quote, digital equivalent of AR15s assault rifle.

[PFT Commenter]

15 is what that stands for. Yes. By the way, if you're not familiar.

[Chaps]

Yeah, true.

[PFT Commenter]

But that's. That's a. There's a lot to unpack in that statement.

[Big T]

He also said they should be banned. Just ban all algorithms.

[Chaps]

So I wouldn't mind that if we went to an actual timeline, again, that would be electric. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So that's. A lot of people have testified before Congress that that's what you should have on these social media apps. Like, there's a Facebook whistleblower that said just, I think in 2021, we should go back to chronological timelines on everything, because once you introduce the algorithm into social media, that's when they can start programming what they want you to see. And typically, what generates the most engagement is things that make people angry.

[Big T]

There are a ton of problems with Twitter slash X now, but I do like that I have my timeline of the things that I have said I want to see, and they're in chronological order. And then you can give me. Also give me the one that you think is what I want, and I'll pick and choose.

[PFT Commenter]

The for you page.

[Chaps]

Yeah, the for you page on Twitter is insane.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't use that at all.

[Big T]

All I would say I use it more than. Because, like, I only. I have so many people muted that my chronological timeline only refreshes every, you know, 20, 30 minutes or so.

[PFT Commenter]

How often do you mute people that you find on the for you page?

[Big T]

Never. I'll just scroll past it.

[PFT Commenter]

They. I hate the for you page.

[Big T]

Why?

[PFT Commenter]

I hate it. It's just filled with the. The last stuff that I want to see.

[Big T]

I would Argue that's because you haven't used it enough for it to generate what you want to be seeing.

[Chaps]

I don't know about that, man. I see all kinds of shit that I hate.

[Big T]

Yeah, see, I hear people saying that. I hear people say there's like people getting killed and stuff on their for you pages. Mine is ut, Braves, Falcons, and then a little politics thrown in there.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like, it's not just a for you page, which I don't think I've seen people getting killed on the for you pay. But like, when you watch a video, the next one that. That shows up, that's usually a pretty good one. And then the one that comes after that, that's when you see some dark. And you're like, why. Why are you feeding this to me?

[Big T]

I never roll the videos. Why is it if I watch one, I'm out after that?

[PFT Commenter]

But yeah, I mean, Twitter used to be entirely chronological based. Facebook used to be chronological based. Then they changed that up because they figured, okay, that's how we can start feeding you the stuff that will make you more likely to engage and spend more time on our app. And then we can, we can sell all that data and say, here's what we found out about user behaviors. Here's where we can put ads in. It becomes like a big money making tool on their part. And it's probably. It's definitely not healthy.

[Chaps]

For sure. Not. I mean, I deleted X from my phone just because it got so bad that I ended up. Every time I use the algorithm or use the app, I was pissed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

So now I just schedule everything for work from my laptop and then it becomes really none of my business what's happening on there. Yeah, that's the same thing I do with barstool blogs. Like, because the comment section is so insane now. It's like an old 4 channel. I don't even schedule my own. I write it, give it to Nate and then just. I forget that I ever posted it.

[PFT Commenter]

Let Nate drop it.

[Chaps]

Yeah, it's none of my business.

[PFT Commenter]

Nate's problem.

[Chaps]

Once it goes into the draft, it's none of my business.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, with. With the. The whole like non chronological piece of it and how they've figured out where to make their money, and that's via anger. They got a dick. They got you addicted to anger being. To being mad online and it's not good for you. But I guess a lot of people are like, this is how World War III is going to start, actually. Breaking news, I saw Alex Jones a couple days Ago, he declared that World War four has started. Oh, what was three? I. I don't know, but three is. I guess it's over. Or maybe we have two world wars going on. Did we win Same three? I think we did. World War III champions.

[Chaps]

Damn. Back to back to back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Three, Pete. Let's go, usa. Yeah. We skipped right to World War four. I. I don't know. I'm not deep enough into the album, Alex Jones lore at the moment to understand what World War iii. Oh, I. I know why he said World War Four. Because Trump stopped World War iii.

[Big T]

Got it.

[PFT Commenter]

That was happening. And so now we're on to World War four. What was World War iii? I don't know. Whatever. Whichever of the seven wars that Trump stopped.

[Big T]

Oh, Iran maybe was going to be the start. Remember that?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There was Iran, there was Ukraine, there was the Beirut explosion. You remember that? When that happened, that was the start of world.

[Big T]

Oh, giant. Many years ago. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. That was the start of World War iii.

[Chaps]

When they bombed somebody in Doha.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. Yep. There was Israel, Palestine, obviously. That was also a World War iii.

[Chaps]

Iran or India, Pakistan.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. World War. Yeah. Also part of World War iii.

[Big T]

That one week with Iran, though, people were really starting to talk about it, that, like, this was going to be a problem. Problem.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And then it just disappeared.

[PFT Commenter]

When you bomb. When you bomb a new country and you. You go after their nuclear facility.

[Big T]

But you're talking about recently. This was. This was years ago, I believe Biden was president. May have been at the end of Trump's first term.

[Chaps]

Soleimani. Is that what you're talking about? When they bombed Solomoni.

[Big T]

That could be it. It was. It was something with Iran, the Trump.

[Chaps]

Administration that did Solomoni, and.

[Big T]

And people were like, this is going to be the beginning of World War Three.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Because it was after they had bombed the base. I think it was Al Assad. They had bombed it and nobody got injured. And so they killed Soleimani.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Soleimani was like a rock star in Iran. He was like.

[Chaps]

And they volleyed some back that intentionally missed.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. And when we killed Soleimani, I don't. That was not in Iran. I want to say it was Saudi Arabia. Iraq. I forget, I forget.

[Chaps]

I don't think it was Saudi Arabia. I think it was Iraq. That was, like, on the border, essentially.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So he, like, flew into an airport. They tracked his car afterwards. Then they fired a Hellfire missile into it.

[Chaps]

Hellfire missiles are cool as.

[PFT Commenter]

They're crazy. Have you seen the ones that this might have Been the one that killed Soleimani. It. It's got. It doesn't have like a big warhead on it, but it's got blades that come out. So it's designed to like localize the damage done to just that one area. So it's like a flying fan or like a flying razor blade that hits you and it causes like enough propeller? Yeah, pretty much. It's just like knives that shoot out of the side of the. Giant knives that are just designed to chop you up. I think that's what we got Solomani with.

[Chaps]

But you'll never find Marines happier than whenever there's Hellfire missiles that go down. Hellfire missiles and A10 runs.

[PFT Commenter]

A10 runs. Rip the A10. Yeah, I think they actually killed it this time.

[Chaps]

It's awesome. Yeah, the old Warthog.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Calling close air support. The sound of that gun must be a great sound.

[Chaps]

Oh my God, dude. Like I've been where they lay them overhead and it was the first time I learned what the phrase pink mist was like. Well, not learned what it was, but saw it in effect. Yeah, it is unbelievably destructive and I.

[Big T]

Totally know what that is. But for people who don't.

[Chaps]

So like an A10 is primarily a gunship. They do have the capabilities of having some smaller missiles and drones dropping missiles, but it's primarily a plane that uses essentially large scale machine guns. I think it's 20 millimeter cannons that it has, which are large rounds, like much bigger than a.50 caliber. So whenever it goes down, it creates a wave of essentially big bullets. And so whenever they do that, it fires at such a cyclic rate and you don't have to worry about the barrels bending or anything like that like you would with a 50 caliber machine gun. It lays nothing but destruction. So like they're using situations like I was on a rooftop in Karma and with there was like 50, 60 dudes that we were fighting and it was pretty heavy. There was 12 of us in the house. And whenever we were getting like they were getting closer and closer and closer, we called it an A ten gun run. And whenever it came over, that was the it. That was it. Like so many people just completely like vaporized.

[PFT Commenter]

So the bullets, they're like high explosive rounds too. So even if they don't hit you, if they hit nearby you, it's like a little mini grenade that will take you out if you're standing like five feet from where the bullet hit.

[Chaps]

Yeah, they can have like incinerary that if you put it into like a Car that'll completely disable not just like it up, but it also like burns, essentially. So they have that. They have ones with tracers. They have all kinds of different rounds that they can use in those that have different. Like the exploding ones like he was talking about it that I don't understand why they would get rid of that weapon. Like, if you talk to infantry guys, guys on the ground, it's their favorite. That could be in support. That's in Aerosport.

[PFT Commenter]

They essentially built an awesome gun. And then they said, how can we make this gun fly? And then they built. They built the plane around the gun.

[Chaps]

It's a flying machine gun. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

The A10 is the one. It's usually got like the. The mouth with teeth painted on the nose of it.

[Big T]

Just to be clear, I was familiar with the A10. I'm 1% offended y' all would think I wouldn't be. I was referring to pink mist, but okay.

[Chaps]

Oh, pink mist is when a body is basically just completely destroyed and the blood that is sprayed looks like pink mist in the air.

[Big T]

That's crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

We've got a. We got a new plane that's about to drop.

[Chaps]

New plane drop.

[PFT Commenter]

New plane might be dropping soon. The F47, sixth generation. They're flying it. It's done some test flights yet. We haven't seen it yet, but we're about to see it for the first time.

[Chaps]

Is it one you can see or is it invisible?

[PFT Commenter]

You radars cannot see it. Okay. The human eye can.

[Chaps]

Hopefully it's not a bigger piece of as the F35.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, chaps, I'm gonna. I'm gonna disagree with you about the F35, Jeff.

[Chaps]

35 stinks. Why? Because they're always broken, dude. Like 80% of them aren't operable.

[PFT Commenter]

Embrace debate. They have. They have a higher than average grounded time than other planes. You have to spend a lot of time servicing them for every hour it flies. I forget how many hours you have to spend, like making sure that it's going to be able to fly again. But when it flies, it's awesome. Yeah, okay. Yeah, we can agree about that.

[Chaps]

They just don't like. I feel like we can. We have the capabilities with other older jets that have insane capabilities that we don't really. I think it's. I mean, I'm just tired of so much defense spending. It's preposterous that people are hungry in this country and we need another hot. Like we're so much more advanced than any other military in the world. We spend more money than the rest of NATO combined by a long shot. How much do you need?

[PFT Commenter]

I agree that the price tag is just insane.

[Chaps]

Now, if they wanted to boost Navy, like, if they wanted to do aircraft carriers, more warships, that would make sense because China's up in there is a ton, too. But more money on air. We dominate the air anyway.

[PFT Commenter]

I think we're. We're doing more money on air to prepare for a hypothetical war against China. Like, if they need gunships, if they launch all their J10s and J20s, we want to have an F35 that's up there being a quarterback, that's like telling all the other planes where to shoot their missiles. Yeah, but we are. Yeah, we spent a shitload of money. And then you see Trump, like, I think it's six months ago, said that he is now designing a new plane. Personally. The. The F35 2 or no, F35 3 Super Lightning.

[Chaps]

He's drawing it up.

[PFT Commenter]

He's drawing it up. That's literally what he did.

[Chaps]

It's going to look like the plane version of a cyber truck.

[PFT Commenter]

He said that he liked the F35, but he would like it a lot more if it had two engines instead of one. Because when he flies in a plane, are you more comfortable flying in a single engine or one that's got a backup engine in case one goes out?

[Chaps]

I like that.

[PFT Commenter]

So he, he's designed which.

[Chaps]

If. Why not three. Triples is best.

[PFT Commenter]

Triples is safe. If you were to put a second engine on the F35, you pretty much have to redesign the entire frame.

[Chaps]

It would be a different plane.

[PFT Commenter]

It would be a completely different plane. But we're going to do that. I actually, that's one of those things. I think he just said one time that people in the defense industry are going to be like, let's just. Let's just not give an update on how the Super Light.

[Chaps]

I disagree. I think the defense industry would love it. Like Lockheed Martin and Boeing would be chomping at the bit to design a new one because they're going to get paid billions and billions of dollars.

[PFT Commenter]

Again, I don't think that they have enough people right now to work on the Super Lightning. I think the.

[Chaps]

The light, that doesn't matter R D money.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I think that the F35 program has just been, like, so many people working so long trying to fix everything that's going wrong with it that they. They simply do not have the bandwidth and they're just hoping that Trump's going to forget he ever said that and they'll probably be right. I mean, he can only have room in his head for so many of his ideas. So he'll say something and then he's going to forget about it, and then they just won't give an update on that. And they got their hands full with the F47 project. But my prediction, I'm calling my shot. We might see an F47 at the super bowl making its debut flight.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that would make sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, wouldn't it?

[Chaps]

A showman.

[PFT Commenter]

Although he doesn't really like the super bowl right now. Anyways, back to. Back to the algorithms, the social media algorithms, they're designed to make you angry. They're also. I. That's a little bit misleading saying that they're designed to make. They're designed to make the companies more money whatever way possible. So if they find out that making you angrier via content that they directly serve you is going to translate to more time spent on their. Their app, then that's what they're going to want to do.

[Big T]

Wasn't Howard Stern that said, the people who hate me listen for twice as long.

[Chaps]

Yeah, they don't hate nobodies.

[PFT Commenter]

They don't. Do you guys remember when Google came out for the first time? Big T, you probably don't.

[Big T]

I am 28. I do not.

[Chaps]

I mean, yeah, kind of.

[PFT Commenter]

The first time I remember using Google, I want to say, was like 2000, 2000.

[Chaps]

That sounds about right.

[PFT Commenter]

Because before Google, there was ask.com, ask Jeeves, there was Ask Jeeves, there's Lycos. Yeah, Remember that?

[Chaps]

I forgot about that one.

[PFT Commenter]

But yeah, Ask Jeeves was your Internet butler, that you would just ask a question like you do with Google, and then it would give you, like, pages of shit that you couldn't really sort or parse.

[Chaps]

The original Alexa.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So you had to know what websites to go to back then. You couldn't just figure out, like, if you had an idea like, oh, I wonder what the most efficient way to water crops in rural, like, Midwest America is.

[Chaps]

Zone six of gardening.

[PFT Commenter]

You'd have to go to either like, yeah, Home and Garden magazine, or you'd have to type in, like, I.A. edu and hope that that took you to the Iowa's website.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then see if they had any information on there about. About how to grow crops.

[Chaps]

The websites look like absolute dog.

[PFT Commenter]

Dog geocities everywhere. Yeah. But then in 2000, Google figured out how to send crawlers out across the the Internet and take pictures of websites and start to categorize them. So you could just search on there and then that would take you. Their algorithm was so much better in terms of figuring out what you were looking for, that they just dominated. Google for like a tech company has been just dominant, just absolutely dominant in the search game. Everything else has changed over the years. You've had like, disruptors, but nobody's really like, Microsoft tried to do it with Bing. There's been Firefox. Firefox? Yeah.

[Chaps]

What's the new one?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, there's a new. There's new Microsoft.

[Chaps]

Go.

[PFT Commenter]

DuckDuckGo has been around for a little bit.

[Big T]

I mean, everyone just uses chat GPT now.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Like, I know people who have completely eliminated. They've. They use AI for everything. That should just be like a quick Google search.

[Chaps]

And AI is wrong all the time, dude. Like, doing these questions that I do around the office.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

It is wrong so often.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Because I'll be like, what are the top five airports in terms of travel, like, for passengers? And then it'll give me some weird one that I'm like, there's no way that Madrid is in that. And I'll be like, can you check number three to see if it's actually. Oh, good.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Chaps]

Yeah, good catch. Like, what. What the fuck are you doing here?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Thank you for telling me I'm wrong.

[Chaps]

Also, AI is an absolute travesty. Like, because they're like, open air will use more power than New York City and San Diego combined this year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I keep seeing stuff about that, particularly about water.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I'm not very well versed in how it's drying up reservoirs, but they use it for cooling.

[Chaps]

They run the water through cooling and then there's an evaporal evaporation process. There was one that was on Lake Michigan that they wanted to do, and eventually they were like, no, it'll replete Lake Michigan much faster than it should. And it's one of the larger freshwater lakes that there are. That we can use.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So think about. Think about like a standard desktop computer that you might have big T. If you have it in a small room, it emits heat. Right. So you walk in that room, it's a little bit warmer than normal there. These AI companies are building these giant data centers that are filled with essentially computers, like, packed, like ever that. Just rows and rows and rows and rows of nothing but CPUs that are running.

[Big T]

Sure. But Amazon has that. We've had that forever.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. But the AI engines need so much more of them to do their AI compilation work or whatever the.

[Chaps]

They Do.

[PFT Commenter]

Got it. So they need way, way more of them. And so in order to cool off those rooms so that the, the computers themselves don't over overheat and break, they need a load of air conditioning and they need to draw water for that to cool all them off. So yeah, they're using just insane amounts.

[Chaps]

Of energy more than New York and San Diego combined. Is absolutely wild.

[PFT Commenter]

It is wild. And I think that should be illegal. Chat GPT is definitely going to come out with their own browser soon. Right?

[Chaps]

I mean they kind of is like their browser, the amount of websites that it'll already search.

[PFT Commenter]

But like when you, you have Google Chrome installed on your phone or on your computer and then you go, you use Google Chrome to go to chat GPT.com I feel like at some point Chat GPT is just going to have their own Internet browser.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And have everything based around their AI. But I think the problem, you're right. The problem with them right now is they get way too much easy stuff.

[Chaps]

Wrong. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But eventually they might not, I don't think.

[Chaps]

I mean, if it continues learning. How do you roll that back?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we talked about this a lot last week because we talked about the, the whole open AI copyright lawsuit going on with like the New York Times.

[Chaps]

And a bunch of other places on writers information stealing.

[PFT Commenter]

All the, everything that is in Chap GPT is actually stolen from somewhere else.

[Chaps]

There was a guy that, I saw the post where he, he wrote this article on a substack that he created this woman who, blonde hair, like based off of people that live in Norway, like perfect tits essentially. And he started the account on Instagram with her just doing regular stuff like talking in the car. Occasionally she would be like doing outfit of the day. He said that he gained 350,000 followers in 30 days and made 28 grand from this fake AI person.

[PFT Commenter]

That's crazy.

[Chaps]

And he was like, if you want to make decent money, this is all you have to do.

[PFT Commenter]

There's, you know what? There's one natural resource that's never going to go away and that's horny dudes.

[Chaps]

Yeah. And I shouldn't say perfect tits because that's in the eye of the beholder.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. There's some, some like them low, some like them high, some like them big, some like them small. Yeah. I, I love how Elon is on Grok just promoting that. You can add a girlfriend to any picture.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Did you see what Open AI said today or yesterday?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big T]

That they're going to start allowing users to engage with erotica.

[Chaps]

Oh.

[Big T]

Their platform.

[Chaps]

Now we're talking with gas.

[PFT Commenter]

That is super dangerous.

[Chaps]

Just nothing but a horny generation.

[PFT Commenter]

Horny generation. And also, like, being able to, like, make your own deep fakes of people that exist in real life. And your pictures.

[Chaps]

Folks, let's bring back Jugs magazine.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

You don't need all this stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

I like my. I like analog porn.

[Chaps]

Yeah. You know, give me the squiggly titties again.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This is going to put prostitutes out of business.

[Big T]

Yeah. Starting in December, open. I will let adult users access mature content, but only if they verify their age.

[Chaps]

Oh, not doing.

[Big T]

Sam Altman says it's part of treating, quote, adults like adults.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what it is.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not about making money at whatever it's about. Just it's about democracy.

[Chaps]

But I bet it would learn, like, my chat gbt because I use it for, like, the questions and stuff. Stuff. Trying to find different obscure facts, which after a year and a half of doing that, it's becoming difficult. So I'll use it and it learns, like, what you like. Like, if I ask a question, it'll be like, do you want this in terms of stuff for drop a pen, top five or around the office? So if that's the case and you're doing it for erotica.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

All the things that you're really horny for have got to be right there.

[PFT Commenter]

When you. When you're on Chat GPT, do you tell chat GPT I'm doing this for my. Around the office?

[Chaps]

Yeah. You can kind of train it, like where you say, I want to create a different series where you don't repeat information like most people use it for a simple question. If you give it very detailed instructions, it could follow along for that. Like, you can say, for instance, even though it still fucks it up, if you're writing a brief, pull all information that's relevant for this specific topic, giving these parameters and this time period. I don't want you to make anything up. Cite your sources. It'll do, like, if you give it 15 point of, like, guidance, that's what it'll pop out. So you can do it. Like, my spouse will use it when she will go on and it'll be this big report. She could go in and be like, summarize this report. Find any inconsistencies, find any punctuation errors, and check resources for factual information. And it'll go through it in, like, a second and do it.

[PFT Commenter]

One thing it's not good at is sports.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Bad for Stats, it doesn't know.

[Chaps]

Very bad for stats.

[PFT Commenter]

It messes stuff up all the time.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I've tried to check it. We did. We even did the. We'd roll that 100 side dice thing and then try to figure out a player that wore that jersey number in any sport. And we would ask chat GPT and we give us some answers that were just completely untrue.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Like, I asked at one time for one of these questions that I wanted to do. It was around the super bowl. What team has scored the most touchdowns in NFL history? And it was like my computer started smoking. Yeah. It's like, we have no idea.

[Big T]

I do what Chap said for this show.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

I take our prep sheets and I put it in there. I say, summarize this with all relevant information for the macro dosing podcast and create, like, segments and talking points that would be good on macrodosing. It's like, okay, here you go. Today it said, would you like a few macrodosing style segments or talking points, parentheses, like how PFT or Aryan might approach it with humor or suspicion? I said, yes. And then it gave me some. Okay, so it's good for stuff like that.

[PFT Commenter]

Give me a talking point that. That I might approach this topic with for you.

[Big T]

So it gave me. We're all in a giant psychological experiment. The algorithm might already be God. Is the Internet even real anymore? And the algorithm radicalized your uncle.

[Chaps]

That does seem like some of your tweets.

[PFT Commenter]

It does. I do. I. I don't think I have an uncle that's been radicalized.

[Big T]

And then underneath each of these is, you know, talking points and. Okay, different stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

Interesting.

[Chaps]

One thing I hate about algorithms, like, for instance, a gardener. Now, I've been trying my hand at gardening, and I'll look up on Tik Tok. I want to watch a video of how do I deadhead my moms correctly? And then for the next three months, all I see is people deadheading mums.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like I moved past that.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I don't care about that anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

That was a fleeting interest.

[Chaps]

I did a lot of log splitter blogs whenever Covid was going around. Yeah, I don't care about log splitters anymore. One that I do appreciate. However, this is one of my big hobbies on the Internet that I will always watch. I love watching murderers get sentenced to life in prison.

[Big T]

I love sentencing.

[Chaps]

Yeah, dude, sizing videos are the best.

[Big T]

I've said this recently, but I'm right now. I'm big on police body cam videos, and there's a judge in Houston named Judge Fleischer.

[Chaps]

I'm. I'm familiar with the bow tie.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big T]

And I just watch all his videos.

[Chaps]

There's a Judge Stevens that's in Kamal County. He was my judge when I got in trouble.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah?

[Chaps]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

Remember that?

[Chaps]

When he came across the Tick Tock, I was like, that gave me more PTSD than anything ever happened in Iraq. So I was like, oh, my God. But he does. There's another one that's in San Antonio, and she is ruthless. Like, she'll get. Especially if it involves kids. Like, the state will recommend six years on a plea bargain, and she'll look at it and she's like, I'm not accepting this. What he did was egregious. If he's pleading guilty, I'm not saying that he's guilty because I haven't adjudicated him that. But if that is the case and he puts in this plea, he's absolutely not getting six years. So roll the dice if you want to. Or go to trial. Oh, wow. Which is wild. Which is in their purview to be able to do it. Those are great. And I. Lately, I've been like, the First Amendment auditors. Have you ever seen those? I feel like you would love those. It's guys that will go out, they'll be sitting on, like, a sidewalk filming a business, and people will come out, okay, yeah, I do that. But some of them get into little bras, a little bit of fisticuffs and what have you, where somebody will approach and grab the person's camera or try to, like, get in their face, and then they hit them with pepper spray or, like the bear spray. Watching the reactions of people that got pepper sprayed is fucking hilarious. Yeah, it's the best.

[PFT Commenter]

They, like, start to walk away and hold their eyes, and they realize how bad it is and then just fall down on the ground.

[Chaps]

Yeah. There's one guy from. I've seen it probably 100 times on TikTok. He's from Kentucky, and he's like, I'm. I'm from this small town in Kentucky. You don't want to. With me. I will kill you where you stand. Gets pepper sprayed. And then he's like, God, he starts walking into different cars, tripping over, like, the curb. It's hilarious.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I watched one last night of a guy who walked up on a cop calling a tow truck on this car because the. The VIN was covered or something, and he's like, I'm gonna tow it. The guy's like, what are you doing? And he was like, I'm going to tow this car. Is it your car? He goes, no, I just. I'm just walking around, whatever. And for 10 minutes, he's just, like, accosting this cop, and he won't say that it's his car. And then finally, like, 20 minutes later, I watched this for a long time. The. The cop finally gets the tow truck to come. He's like, what are you doing to my car? He's like, so it is your car. And then. Anyway, it was better if you watched it, but. Yeah, I just watched those all day.

[Chaps]

Yeah, the sentencing videos are the best.

[PFT Commenter]

The one judge that's like, I know that you're maintaining your innocence. What do you think should happen to the person if we find them?

[Chaps]

Oh, yeah, the guy with tattoos all over his face.

[PFT Commenter]

They should put him underneath the jail.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I think they should put them underneath the jail.

[PFT Commenter]

And then the judge is like, okay, that's what I'm gonna do.

[Chaps]

Life without. Yeah, Life without the possibility of parole.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. The algorithms, they got you guys, for sure. I've been served a lot of stuff on. I see it mostly on. On YouTube. The algorithms that it. That it puts me in and then the shorts. Algorithms that I'm in for. YouTube shorts is way different from anything else.

[Chaps]

I.

[PFT Commenter]

It just knows that I like to watch ammunition videos to see if stuff will penetrate. Like, other things. It's like I've got this 45 pound plate for weightlifting. Let's see if a. If a 45. If it. Desert Eagle. Yeah. Break through. And then I watch in slow motion. And I have zero interest in guns or ammunition, really. And. But I'm fascinated to just.

[Chaps]

Will it go through?

[PFT Commenter]

I like hits. Yes, it does. I like watching stuff break. It's got me dead to rights on that one.

[Chaps]

I have a question for you. So it's no secret that we're different politically. How is your current coverage for what's happening in Chicago with ice?

[Big T]

Like, I don't see a ton of it.

[Chaps]

Okay. I really checks out.

[Big T]

I really only see, like. I'll see people complaining about it, certainly, but then it's mostly responses to that. I don't see a ton of stu. I don't. I don't get a ton of political stuff on Twitter, honestly.

[Chaps]

I mean, like, TikTok or anything. Like, I see a bunch of, like, TikTok.

[Big T]

I don't think I see any.

[Chaps]

Okay. Yeah. I feel like that's different, you know? Like, I feel that's like. They do learn what you see, and they will craft whatever you hate.

[PFT Commenter]

They do. I, I got to the point where I don't use tick tock anymore.

[Chaps]

Yeah, Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I just, because the algorithm, it, it like it really got me addicted for the first couple months I was using it.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like I would just lay in bed, just swipe up, swipe up, swipe up, and I would find, I would look up and I'd been doing that for like an hour and a half and I'm like, yeah, this is not good. It's not good for my sleep.

[Chaps]

I told you, just talking in general, that I've basically stopped scrolling social media for the most part. And now whenever I want to, I have like the Kindle app on my phone and I read instead. Like if I'm bored in like a waiting room or something, I no longer scroll social media. I just read.

[PFT Commenter]

So when, when Google started, they sent their crawlers across the Internet, took a snapshot of everything online, categorized it, made their, their search engine way more powerful than anything else. And then they came out with their, their slogan, the company slogan, which was don't be evil. Which is.

[Chaps]

That was the original Google slogan.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And it's a good thing to say, but when you think about why a company would make that their slogan, you start to figure out that they understand that the product that they're creating is very capable of being evil. Like if you're starting, you start a muffin company. Oh yeah, don't be evil. Hey, you're going to be tempted to be evil, but we're not here to be evil.

[Chaps]

That's an evil ass cupcake company with.

[PFT Commenter]

These muffins and cupcakes. Like unless you're actually putting like drugs into your cupcake. We're just going to put a little bit of hair one in these cupcakes. I thought we're talking weed. Or weed.

[Chaps]

That'd be fine.

[PFT Commenter]

People are going to love these cupcakes. Well, yeah, I think even if you started like a weed cupcake company, you wouldn't say don't be evil.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Because eventually you start using lower quality cannabis that has like pesticides because you want that your profit margin to be higher, right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But would that even be evil? Yeah, I guess it kind of would be evil. But you only say that about your company that you're starting if you think that there's a high possibility that you could become evil at some point.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And then they came out with the Android operating system because Google would learn about you as you were searching things. It would figure out what the relevant search results would be given your history using Google. And then they came out with Android so that they could monitor when you're not online. Like in everything that you do across it. Like on your, on your Android phone, it's like all that's, that information is going right to Google.

[Chaps]

I also think on the Android aspect that the Android operating system on, for Americans at least, would be a lot more popular than the iOS if whenever you downloaded anything on an Android phone, that dumbass notification on the top bar was never invented. Like, if you're just trying to download the Facebook app, it should download that. I don't need a notification on the top that I have to scroll down, dismiss. People didn't want that. It was ugly.

[PFT Commenter]

So I, I haven't had an Android since 2010, 2011, I think probably the same for me.

[Chaps]

So I don't like 2008.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't remember that much about the, about the bar that would pop up. But I know that when I switched to an Apple it was like, yeah, everything's very easy on this phone. Which is probably information that they've, they, they designed that based on all the, all the research that they've done tracking everybody's motions on any sort of electronic before. So that's an algorithm of its own. And then they made their icons designed to be like candy, where you look at, you look at all the icons.

[Chaps]

And you're like, ooh, that's a nice candy thing.

[PFT Commenter]

That's comfortable having that on my phone. I like looking at that. But yeah, then when Google came out with the Android operating system, that was their way of taking everything that you did online and storing all that data and then being able to serve you what they thought that you would be most likely to enjoy or interact with the most. And especially on social media. What, what those companies have found out was that the most polarizing things are the ones that get the most engagement. They get your reaction. Facebook for I think three years, switched up their algorithm, which rewarded you for doing the like, angry face at a much higher proportion than if you had liked something. Because they knew that if you're mad, that means that you're going to stick around longer. But one thing that I thought about when I was doing some research for this is that with all the incentives that they have to like, treat the world like a funhouse mirror, where it's like the most polarizing things get distorted and overrepresented compared to just people that are relatively normal at some point, that's not going to make companies Like Facebook money. If everyone is, like, too polarized against each other and society starts to reflect that in too big of a way, I feel like they would be like, whoa, we. We got to turn down the anger dial.

[Big T]

Like, why would that be?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I disagree with you.

[Big T]

I don't agree with you at all.

[PFT Commenter]

You think that if, like, society got to the point where, like, everyone hates everyone else, like, right now, Brother, look around. I. I know that we're. I know that we're, like, getting close to that level, but at the end of the day, these are. These are, you know, in some cases, publicly traded companies, and their mission is to make money, and you start to make less money if the world, or at least this country as a whole, is too volatile.

[Big T]

No, I think you're actually describing precisely what makes them money.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that's what I think too.

[PFT Commenter]

You think that if. If, like, there was a civil war in this country, like, people in the streets, like, armed against each other and, like, militias going around.

[Big T]

Okay, well, that would escalated it quite a bit, but.

[Chaps]

And also that would reduce the amount of time people were on those. So.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Chaps]

If you're fighting a war, I think that that completely changes, but I think that that could be the escalator of why, like, I. Yeah, I think that seeing so much social media, that is terrible. Like, if you feel like everything is represented by, like, what Midas says or what Libs of Tick Tock says, like, all of those things, then you are going to be radicalized and the margins are going farther and farther and farther. Like, what used to be a moderate now doesn't are back in the day. Like, there's not Mitt Romney types of political people that are super into politics now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

You either have to be one end or the other.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But I guess we're saying the same thing, which is at some point, it would be not in their best interest to keep radical. I'm not saying.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I feel like that's way down the road.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we haven't reached that point.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I think once people start fighting each other in the streets and there's less use, then maybe they make you come together and. But I doubt it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Because if the economy as a whole starts to tank for whatever reason, and that. That could be any number of things, but if the economy starts to tank, then there's less companies, fewer companies that are spending their ad dollars on Facebook, and then Facebook starts to feel that in their bottom line.

[Chaps]

Big T. Will you search on your chat? Gbt? If Ukraine's Internet usage and Social media usage went up since the onset of the war with Russia.

[Big T]

Oh, please.

[Chaps]

I feel like that's a good barometer.

[Big T]

Maybe that might want that specifically on chat GPT, not Google.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, but whomever. But the end point of that would be did Ukrainian companies spend more money on social media or less money advertising on social media since the war started?

[Chaps]

Yeah, I bet. I bet Russia spent more. I bet they both have, actually.

[PFT Commenter]

You think so?

[Chaps]

Yeah, I think that having that. So when I was talking to Ken Burns the other day, I felt like that gave me so much to think about as far as the way that we consume news. In that interview, he talks about the Postmaster General, Benjamin Franklin, and how instrumental Benjamin Franklin was to the war effort for the American Revolution. And he started talking about how news back in the day didn't. There was no such thing as like opinion pieces. Everything was fact based about what was happening. And they tried really hard to not do it through the lens of people those newspapers went down from all the way from where he lives in Vermont and New Hampshire. They would be reading those newspapers in places like Savannah. So the entire country is getting the same news that's based on fact. People don't consume news that way. You consume news basically to confirm your confirmation bias.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

So I think that's what we're doing now. And where does that kind of stop? So the onset of modern media has made us. He said that I would argue that people now are much less factually informed than people in the 1700s, which is shocking.

[PFT Commenter]

About current events.

[Chaps]

About current events. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, what's current and not. I guess it wouldn't be super current because that's going to take. I mean, getting from Vermont to the newspaper, going to Georgia take a good amount of time. But the point remains that people were more factually informed than now. Because you can ask somebody that is on either side of the spectrum and they're going to have completely different views. That's why I asked Big T what he sees about Chicago. For me, based on my ideology, I'm seeing like things like it's close to Kate School where people are running away from tear gas, cops are getting tear gassed at like places like Broadview that they're all over the place causing destruction. Big T probably sees Kristi Gnome standing there saying that we're doing a great job and we're eradicating crime from Chicago. Like the differences of the same exact news story are remarkable. And if you show somebody else on the other side that doesn't have your same Algorithm.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

What? The news that they see is totally different.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm glad that you brought up the, The Midas company too.

[Big T]

The.

[PFT Commenter]

What are they called? Midas Touch.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Or whatever. Those guys suck.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that, I think that they are kind of like they're, they're vultures.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I feel like whenever you have that type of news source, there's enough to give factual information that should make people elicit the same type of response instead of taking things out of context.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like, I feel like if you want to inform people, inform them accurately. There's enough stuff that's going on now that will elicit the same type of reaction without essentially twisting it to make it fit your narrative. There's enough that's in your narrative that you don't have to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they saw libs of TikTok and they said to themselves, we're going to do that exact same thing, except on the left. And it's.

[Chaps]

I wouldn't say to the same level.

[PFT Commenter]

Probably not, but. But the same, like, general behavior. Yeah.

[Chaps]

I definitely wouldn't say to the. I mean, Midas isn't causing anybody to call in bomb threats to children's hospitals or anything like that, like Libs of Tick Tock did.

[PFT Commenter]

That is true. But it's the same thing where they're trying to. They're trying to make you mad and they're trying to like, get you as radicalized as possible, because that's what feeds.

[Chaps]

Their bottom line, for sure.

[PFT Commenter]

And, and it's working right now. I'm just saying that, like, in the, in the distant future, hopefully, if it ever gets to that point, the algorithms are only going to poison us to the extent that they can make their parent company's money. And then once they start losing money, then I think you would see some changes.

[Chaps]

I mean, think about when. What happens if there's a big event, the amount of scrolling that takes place after something significant, a terrible event that happens. They're getting all that more data. You're spending so much more time. So I feel like just like media companies have really benefited from Trump being president across both. Because people consume much more news. The amount of time that people spent watching Fox News and CNN and MSNBC was drastically down when Biden was president, comparatively to a Trump administration. Because there's something happening every single day. People are locked in either cheering or booing, but it's happening either way. People are consuming media much more.

[Big T]

Yeah. I'm really fascinated that you think like, Charlie Kirk gets killed. Social media was the hottest it's ever been.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I'm saying at the end of the day these are, these are capitalist companies and they exist because they make money and.

[Big T]

But you seem to think that the worst things get, eventually there will become some diminishing returns.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I'm saying.

[Big T]

Whereas I think the evidence points the other way.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm saying if there's economic instability is what I'm getting at. If things, if the division gets so bad in this country that the markets crash because you can't make a realistic projection about how much money you're going to make over the next year because there, something's going on in the country where people aren't spending their money.

[Big T]

That has happened to some extent recently.

[PFT Commenter]

But if it gets what I'm saying, if it gets bad enough.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Then it would be in their economic best interest. Yeah. To, to change the dials a little bit.

[Chaps]

I agree that like I feel like if things get out of control and the economy really starts to suffer because people are actually fighting in the streets.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

That causes the economic downturn and that causes advertisers to have much less information that are. I mean look at what happened to Twitter essentially. At first, whenever so many advertisers pulled back, the value went way down. So they kind of drew back on their algorithm. Then when advertisers came back, they pushed it back up again. So I do think you're right about that. Once advertisement dollars start to dry up a little bit, I mean you even see, see that in places like barstool for a while under, like when we were under Pen and if you had certain divisive things that came out like Mincy and you had different advertisers, they're like, we don't want to be involved with that unless he's fired or removed. Or like if there's a old video, that surface of a rat song that has like that somebody's saying and advertisers want to pull away. That changed the way that we approach certain types of content here.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's, that's naturally how it goes because advertisers, they get their budget from the forward looking models of their own company's financial future. And then okay, now you have X dollars to spend in the next quarter, next two quarters and they forecast everything. If things are bad, you're going safe, then you're going safe mode. And I feel like that could be, that, that could be something that would happen if things got. But now if somehow the, the opposite happened where we're like fighting each Other in the streets, but somehow everyone's got a good job that they're making money from, whether via crypto or like some other weird thing. And somehow people are walking around spending money. And these companies like Facebook X, you know, I guess Instagram, which is part of Facebook Meta, if they're still making money, then they have no incentive to turn those dials down. Then they just keep cranking it out and things get worse and worse and worse. But as our economy set up right now, I think it would be that if there was massive amounts of instability, there would be less spending on products, less advertising dollars, definitely. And they would respond to that.

[Chaps]

Actually, is that return on investments not nearly the same.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. While you're here, this is something interesting that happened this week. Big T Have did you pay attention at all to the Pentagon's new media requests?

[Big T]

I have seen things about it. I haven't delved into it a whole lot.

[PFT Commenter]

So, Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, is that his official title now? Yes, Secretary of Not official.

[Chaps]

There's no such thing as the Secretary of War.

[PFT Commenter]

Is it the department?

[Big T]

I thought they changed it.

[PFT Commenter]

Is it just executive order that has to be.

[Chaps]

Congress does that. Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So executive order says it's now, but it's still the Department of Defense.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's the Secretary of Defense. He put out new media guidelines for any sort of war correspondent or Pentagon reporter. And I believe the requirement was you may not report anything about the Department of Defense that is not given to you via an official channel at the Department of Defense. Such as a press release.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Pao the Public affairs office.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. A statement that came from a PR person or was signed off on a PR person.

[Big T]

And.

[PFT Commenter]

And they said if you want to be credentialed to cover the United States military, you have to sign this pledge saying that you won't use any sources. You won't. You won't do anything that's not coming from an official channel. And then every single media company that was previously, previously credentialed refused to sign the pledge, except for one, which is, I think, oan. That's Mike Gundy's favorite channel, right?

[Big T]

I believe so, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he watches a lot of oan. So they're the only ones that, according to the rules that they put in place, will remain credentialed. I don't think that they're going to take away the credentials. Credentials from everybody, Right?

[Chaps]

No, that's the promise. Like it. He even talked about it in a Cabinet meeting, I think yesterday.

[PFT Commenter]

They're Going to follow through on that.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And so it'll just be Oan that's at these press briefings.

[Chaps]

And because they had one, the amount of misinformation in those statements is bananas. Like saying that you can't. That there was reporters walking around near classified areas. Categorically untrue. Like, you can't even be a. Like. For me, for example, I had a secret security clearance. Not top secret or anything like that. I had to have my ID present. You have to put your phone away. Like before you go into one of the skiffs. They take your phone, they make sure that you don't have any recording devices on you. There's all kinds of shit that they do. There is no reporters that get anywhere near those zones.

[PFT Commenter]

Now, if that was true, wouldn't that just speak to the Department of Defense having lax security policies?

[Chaps]

Yeah. I mean. And they don't like it. This is a much to do about nothing like this. I feel like this is a crazy move to make. I mean, when you have very conservative outlets like Newsmax and Fox News saying that this is not something that we're going to sign one, I think it's. It is a blatant violation of what the First Amendment is supposed to be. And the freedom of the press is essential as far as having accountability. Especially in departments like the Department of Defense, like they have. There's a book called Generation Kill, which I served with a bunch of the people from that book. And they have a reporter, Evan Wright, that is embedded with them. Without people like Evan Wright, even though it's from Rolling Stones, without different media sources that can report accurately on what's happening. Travesty are great things. You have a military that isn't accountable. I feel like the press is one of the only things that can keep you accountable. And there's multiple like perspectives in that decision that don't want to sign off on that. Like your Fox News that typically have glowing reports on Republicans shitting on the Democrats. MSNBC that does the exact opposite way. When those are actually aligned and saying this is wrong. That's a. I feel like that is a blatant violation of the First Amendment.

[PFT Commenter]

Especially when you think that Hegseth used to work at Fox News.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And his old employers are like, no, we're not signing that bullshit.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I mean, and even like the founding father said that like they talked about the freedom press, that what do you have? What do you have to hide? If you're the president United States, you need to have people that are holding you to account.

[PFT Commenter]

Big T. What do you think about that?

[Big T]

Yeah, I don't. I don't have many thoughts on it. Obviously, it seems like it's a bad deal.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, bad deal.

[Big T]

I haven't read into it a ton.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, pretty much like black and white. That's what happened. I don't think that there's like this is all based on what the Pentagon has said and then what the news organization.

[Big T]

Do you think it was done intentionally to get them to not sign on to it? Because it seems, from what I've heard, to be pretty egregious.

[PFT Commenter]

They probably had a. Yeah, they probably thought to themselves, a lot of places will not agree to this. They probably knew that you weren't going to get, you know, your CNN's, your Ms. Washington, Washington Post, New York Times. They knew that they would not sign on to that. So that ultimately leaves us with One America News.

[Big T]

Also. It doesn't sound particularly enforceable.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, their enforcement is going to be. They will not credential you.

[Big T]

Right. So then why not just do that after someone, like if someone leaks a story and then it's printed in the Washington Post, then you can take away. I mean, you shouldn't. But then if that's what you wanted to do, why do it preemptively?

[PFT Commenter]

I think they're doing it so that you're not allowed to ask. They're not going to have any unfriendly parties ask questions at the press briefings. That's again, they don't do press.

[Chaps]

There's only been four since they've taken over, or maybe even three.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Chaps]

That they've actually given like press, like press conferences.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. They don't want to have those people in the building.

[Chaps]

But they say this is what is infuriating about this process is like people like Sean Parnell, who's one of the main spokespeople for the Department of Defense, he'll come out and say this is the most open and transparent administration in the history of the United States. Meanwhile, saying that there could be no sourcing, no actual journalism. And people in journalism don't report on classified information. It's just typically not something that they do like war plans or anything like that. There is a level of secrecy that comes about. If they know that an operation is pending, they don't typically talk about that. But to say you're the most transparent and then say you can only report on things that come from, like, official channels. I mean, that's like asking the Washington Post when Dan Snyder, like, you can't you can't report anything that doesn't come from our social media team.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, we are. We're winning off the field.

[Chaps]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

That's where we're doing our. That's. What was his name? Bruce. Not Bruce. George Allen. That's what he. Yeah. You're pretty much just being an extension of public relations, which is not what you're supposed to do.

[Chaps]

That's not journalism.

[Big T]

To be fair. That is how college football programs try to operate.

[Chaps]

True, but they don't.

[Big T]

I understand. Yes. But college football coaches, if they could do that would.

[Chaps]

Oh, absolutely.

[Big T]

And they do.

[Chaps]

They might be the biggest tyrants in America.

[Big T]

Oh, yeah. And they're crazy. Like they. Was it Oklahoma a couple years ago, had some students that like their balcony could see onto the practice field.

[Chaps]

Oh yeah.

[Big T]

And somebody was injured and they. They reported on like one of the kids was a journalism student or something.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And they reported and the coaches went nuts.

[Chaps]

Didn't that happen with Notre Dame when Brian Kelly killed a kid?

[Big T]

Well, no, that he. That was their video guy and they had him up on like a scissor lift in a hurricane and it fell over and killed him.

[Chaps]

But didn't they try to keep the details?

[Big T]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Chaps]

I'm sure about what actually happened.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think that they were like super forthcoming with the fact that they had a guy up on there in like a severe thunderstorm.

[Big T]

All of that is alleged, by the way.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, no, it's the. The kid unfortunately died.

[Big T]

Did pass away. I'm just. I don't know what kind of fault was established legally.

[PFT Commenter]

He was on a scissor lift.

[Big T]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

During. Allegedly during a storm.

[Big T]

I think those are the facts according to reports.

[PFT Commenter]

But yeah, I mean that's actually, that's a great way to put it is just imagine. Imagine your college football program offer operated in the same way they try to. They try to.

[Chaps]

The Jaguars entire organization would just be about victory Monday. The four times a year they get it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Report on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's. It's not. It seems like a little too blatant. Like it seems like this, this is something that everyone's agreeing on as a bad idea, but they. They want to be Baghdad Bob.

[Chaps]

Think about how rare that is. I mean it did happen in the Biden administration when everybody on him for the. And rightfully so for the withdrawal of Afghanistan. That was one where every single news agency like came together and like this was up. Everything was wrong.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

I mean zbt, like I said that President Biden should resign design and so should like the chairman. So should the department of like the secretary. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's completely botched.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So, like, I feel like when it's got to be egregious for everybody to be like, this is, this is up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I do think, like, ideologically, obviously all those outlets are very different. But when someone tries to attack like journalism as an institution, I do think they all stick together more than people would realize.

[Chaps]

I would agree with that. Like when they did the White House press corps, like there was going to be a rotation and you had like podcasters essentially doing the White House press pool and that like Tim Pool being in there is crazy.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like, you have different people that have really no business being in there that are in there. Like there was a bunch of news organizations that came in like, what are we doing?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. When you had that guy Dom Lucrative, the guy from Twitter, he's just like a guy with a big Twitter account that was invited to be in the, the press corps this year.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

He's the guy that got banned from Twitter like five years ago because he, he somehow got his hands on like a piece of child porn that was used to convict somebody and then posted it on Twitter with his own watermark on it. Like he dropped his own watermark, put it online, they banned him. And then Elon was like, I kind of like this guy though, because I agree with a lot of the other stuff that he says. So I'll overlook the, the child porn. Get him back on there. Yeah, it's, it's.

[Chaps]

That doesn't go bode well for his invitation to Epstein Island.

[PFT Commenter]

No, no.

[Chaps]

Like, ah, this is not that bad.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So, yeah, that's just a brief aside regarding depending the stuff that you've. All the consequential reporting that's been done on our Department of Defense in the last probably 250 years has been stuff that they did not want you to know about.

[Chaps]

But again, like PFT or Big T is online a lot. Like you're an online guy. Not seeing that I think is an example of the algorithm. Like that is like there's a certain positive or negative slant that you're doing based on what you're typically seeing is you're not going to get that information about what's going on in the Department of Defense in that regard.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. Like, imagine if Biden had banned every reporter from the Pentagon.

[Chaps]

It would be unbelievable news.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Be pretty crazy. Other social media algorithm stuff. Instagram. They are, they're guilty of doing a lot of, a lot of stuff to mostly young people psychologically. And a lot of that's rooted in, like, comparison comparison and like seeing really attractive people on there. And then they make. They make you feel bad about your own body because you're not perfect. Even though people that are uploading their own shit, they're not perfect either. But they have filters that make them look really good. And there have been a lot of studies done showing that you can actually get yourself into a pretty big hole of depression and anxiety if you use Instagram too much because it just gives you an unrealistic standard. And when, when they were acquired by Facebook in 2012, I remember everybody was like, what is. Why did Facebook just pay a billion dollars for this company? There are 13 people that work there as far as we can tell. They just have really nice filters. They've designed, like, filters for photography and then they started to bring it into. Into the meta universe and figure out different algorithms that they can use to feed you the stuff that's more likely to make you engage and then that. I don't know. I guess Instagram is useful for a lot of stuff, but I.

[Chaps]

It might be the least useful of all the platforms.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you think it's the, like, the funnest still the most pure?

[Chaps]

I wouldn't say pure by any means.

[PFT Commenter]

Mad Dog says no, but she shook her head.

[Chaps]

I think Instagram is the least useful. I feel like Twitter for sports stuff, it's still probably the best for breaking news of things that are happening. TikTok for me at least is probably the most entertaining because it's like old school vine, essentially, where there is a lot of people doing funny shit and like having funny rants.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Chaps]

Instagram. The fuck is it for? At this point?

[Big T]

I think you're not in the target demo.

[Chaps]

That's fair because I'm old.

[Big T]

I'm not either, but yeah, that's very fair.

[Chaps]

What do you. What do you all think?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Mad Dog McKenzie Graham is shopping? Basically it's ads at this point. It's Times Square. I think it just wants to be tick tock, like with reels and everything. It's just like trying its best to be tick tock, which I think it's like, similar.

[Big T]

Well, every good thing Instagram's ever had, they stole from somebody else. Yeah, stories.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then they love to ruin it.

[Chaps]

Right? Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like they're currently ruining their layout right now.

[Chaps]

I think TikTok did it with stories.

[Big T]

Yeah, I don't understand TikTok stories, but whatever.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think Instagram has just turned into more of like, advertisements than Anything. But I think it's, that's the trickle down of like them being like meta because I haven't been on Facebook in a long time. But it's just like ads and like AI slop. But Instagram for me is like where I see the most blatant advertisements out of those social media apps.

[PFT Commenter]

I would say what's the, for you, what is the like general price range of stuff that they're advertising? Is it cheap stuff or is it expensive stuff?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I would say Tick Tock is like the cheap stuff. Like the Tick Tock shop. Like get this, three for $4 or whatever. I'd say Instagram. Unfortunately they know me so well. It's just stuff that I would buy. Like it's stores that I shop at already because they track all of my, you know, cross platform data. So it's like all of the stores I shop at on a regular basis. So I wouldn't say it's like, I would say it skews more expensive, but it's just stores that I already spend my money at.

[PFT Commenter]

I imagine that's something that's personalized too to whoever the user is.

[Chaps]

Oh, big time.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It is things that I, I sometimes get things of ads of things I already own.

[PFT Commenter]

Interesting.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like that's how well they know me.

[PFT Commenter]

I would be curious because I don't, I don't scroll Instagram that much. I would be interested to see like what it thinks I would buy. How, how far will I have to go till I see an ad? Do you think?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Three scrolls?

[PFT Commenter]

Well, if you, you don't do TikTok. No.

[Chaps]

So I occasionally will look at the TikTok shop and if you look at one jacket that's flannel lined on the inside, the next thing you know you get a hundred jackets on your TikTok.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's see, Mitchell and Ness has been advertised to me because I buy a lot of stuff.

[Big T]

Good brand.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

I got the meta Ray Ban sunglasses one scroll in.

[Chaps]

I got a fluffy pajama set for women. I don't know, I don't know why. See my first ad and we're not.

[PFT Commenter]

Talking about suggested for you, right?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, this is like pure advertisement.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm getting a lot of suggested for you. I'm not seeing a lot of advertisements.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

My advertisements always come clicking on a story.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Chaps]

It'll be oh yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Intertwined within me going through stories. That's when I get the most ads because they can just link directly from there.

[PFT Commenter]

Got it. You've got the, you've got the link Tap that you can put in.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And they do the same thing that Twitter does, pfc, where it's more sensitive to make you click on it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I've noticed that a lot, actually. So Twitter kind of dialed that back recently, probably because of you. But I've seen that in. There's an online game that I play. There's a game on my phone that I'll hop on like once a day or so. And when you go to, like, the store, part of it, if you're swiping through, if your thumb, like, grazes one of the things that you have to pay money for, like actual cash, it. It takes you to like, complete checkout immediately. It's so much more sensitive. I don't think that they should be allowed to do that. That should be something that's. That's put into place by like, the person that makes the phone. The company that makes the phone is like touch sensitivity. You can't have links be more touch sensitive than the rest of the article or whatever you're scrolling through. Yeah.

[Chaps]

And on that same kind of vein, shout out California Big T. You might agree with this that on ads in between, like, commercials, they now are required to have it at the same volume as the actual show.

[Big T]

So I've seen this over the years. I thought that the US Congress did that a while ago, because I remember hearing about it and then it never.

[Chaps]

I don't think it actually got signed into law. I think it was. It was one of those bills that goes through, and then maybe the Senate didn't pick it up or whatever. They didn't send it back and forth, but that would be. I can't tell you how many times I've been jarred a wig because of what's going on on Hulu.

[Big T]

I've noticed the Thursday Night Football broadcasts on Amazon prime are particularly bad about. About this.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what the worst ones I've. I've seen recently? YouTube TV. If I'm watching. If I'm watching playoff baseball, the ads that have the. The things on the screen that you can click on and say, like, take me to the store. Those are like twice, maybe three times as loud as the rest of the game. It shocks me every time I come do it.

[Chaps]

And it makes me not ever want to buy anything from those companies.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I hate it.

[Chaps]

I hate it.

[PFT Commenter]

And I know that they're doing it on purpose. They're just so much louder that I'll have to get up and turn my TV down. I'll have to like, grab the remote, like Four or five times a night. And then he's cut that shit out.

[Chaps]

Then you cut that out. And if it's a podcast, can we be done with an ad every four minutes?

[PFT Commenter]

Agreed.

[Chaps]

Trash.

[PFT Commenter]

Today's macrodosing is being brought to you by our very good friends. Oh, no, I'm not gonna do that. I'm actually not gonna do that right now.

[Chaps]

YouTube TV.

[PFT Commenter]

But actually, so some people complain about, like, a lot of ads on different podcasts on Barcelona sports. There's a lot of them that we don't actually do that just get piped in. So when we're. When we're doing our ad reads, we think that there's going to be, like, a normal amount of ads that are put into an episode. And then people are like, what the fuck is up with all these ads that you guys have? I'll go back, listen to it. I had no idea that some of those were going to be in.

[Big T]

I had people text me about ads in our show, and they're like, what is one was in Spanish.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They were like, it's Spanish ads.

[Big T]

I was. I have no idea what you're talking about. And because those.

[Chaps]

Because we don't watch our own shit.

[Big T]

Right.

[Chaps]

We don't really know.

[Big T]

I was here. I don't need to listen to it.

[Chaps]

Yeah. And then I look, I looked on, like, the. Drop a pen and I signed because I do Premium. I feel like YouTube. Premium is if you use YouTube a lot and you're not using that 1299.

[Big T]

Or whatever it is a month.

[Chaps]

You're an idiot.

[Big T]

I got it a few months ago, and I can't imagine ever going back.

[Chaps]

Right. It's. I feel like that is one of the. I. So about every two or three months, I'll go through and cancel every single streaming platform that I have, except for Hulu and Netflix, because I use those the most. Most. Getting rid of YouTube Premium is not something I'll ever do.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I can never go back. And I get mad now if I try to watch a music video because some of those still have ads. I'll get so pissed.

[Chaps]

Yeah, you got to listen to your Travis Tritt without fucking ads.

[Big T]

Exactly. It's not a great day to be alive without an ad coming before it.

[PFT Commenter]

So. So Meta has actually had a bunch of very public things that have come to light where they. They have to apologize for the algorithms being, like, too violent or making people too angry. So there was. They like to talk about the Arab Spring as being a great example of how Facebook can be used to help Democracies and help people escape oppressive regimes. Which was true. That the Arab Spring, the uprisings in. In the Middle east and across parts of Africa. That was. They used Facebook as a tool to share what was going on and kind of started a revolution that got real world results after that. But since then, they've kind of strayed away from that a little bit, even though they like to. They like to pound their chest about it. They've been accused of suppressing news from Arab countries, like from Palestine, putting warning labels on videos that come from countries that they are not currently actively supporting. And at one point, they said that they should ban the phrase Allahu Akbar on all Meta platforms because it could be in a video that's related to terrorism. But Allahu Akbar means God is great.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And. And people say that all the time in regards to a lot of stuff. And then in 2025, Meta had to say, my bad. We. We should not have served you all those reels of a man getting trampled to death by an elephant. Sorry about that.

[Chaps]

I feel like that's fair.

[PFT Commenter]

That's fair.

[Chaps]

It's a good retraction.

[PFT Commenter]

A lot of people saw the. The trampling to death video and it got really, really violent with a lot of other stuff like dead bodies, animal abuse. And then Instagram was like, my bad. But they. They fixed that immediate problem, but they did not fix the. The driving reason behind it.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Which is still. That's going to keep. It's going to keep popping up. Some people saw when the elephant. The guy was being trampled by the elephant. There was another video of a guy that was getting chopped up by a helicopter and a guy who shoved his face into boiling oil and gorilla glue on her hair.

[Chaps]

That was bad.

[PFT Commenter]

That was a bad one too. So they. The tech news site 404 made a list of the content on one user's feed, and that included a man being set on fire, a man shooting a cashier at point blank range, videos from an account called People Dead Daily, and a pig being beaten with a wrench.

[Chaps]

Jesus.

[PFT Commenter]

And so the company said that the uprising in graphic videos was not our fault, but it was. It's something that we will look into. But they also have. The thing about Meta and Facebook is they've got the. The content like administrators, the people that. That have to watch all the videos that are uploaded. And I think AI is starting to do a lot of that now. But for a while it was like, every video that's uploaded, there would be rooms at Facebook where people would have to sit and watch all these videos and then flag them to be removed if they were too violent. And those people had like astronomical rates of depression and anxiety. Oh, I bet. And they had to build like chill out rooms for them to go sit in and meditate because they were just watching like snuff videos all day long. And that was a human being's job that they had.

[Chaps]

Geez.

[PFT Commenter]

But they've cut back on those a little bit because of AI. So sometimes you see stuff like the elephant video slip through the cracks. TikTok, Tick Tock has been, I don't know where are we on TikTok right now? It's, it's been divested from China and it is now under United States control.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Isn't Larry Ellison buying?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Oracle. Yeah, Oracle is, is paying a lot of money for it. I saw that the former CEO of Tick Tock, he made an interesting suggestion for a board member. Do you know, do you know where I'm going with this? The former CEO of Tick Tock said that Baron Trump should be a board member of Tick Tock because I guess he's a power user and he convinced his dad to not shut it down in the United States. That would be, that would be interesting.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I feel like it's a hard, hard sell to say liberals own the media now.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it's like the tech companies, they're run by guys that like to make money. And so whoever is in charge, they will suck those people off.

[Chaps]

I mean, you got Bezos that, you got Bezos. That is the Washington Post guy. He's a Trump guy. You have Elon at Twitter, Newsmax, oan Fox News. CNN was purchased by a dude who's a little bit right leaning. So that one is no longer as conservative. Even Jake Tapper took like a little bit of a right turn whenever that happened. There's not. Besides msnbc, what other big news organization is out there? New York Times, I guess you could say. Yeah, but like all the social media accounts, especially Tick Tock, if Larry Ellison buys it and Baron's on the board and Trump has his fingers in it, there is like Zuckerberg with Meta there. I don't think that's an accurate statement that the media is left leaning anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I don't think that it's by and large left leaning. I do think that if, let's say Kamala had won, I think that Facebook, especially with Zuckerberg and a number of other places would, they would play nice.

[Chaps]

They go with the win, they go.

[PFT Commenter]

With whatever is Going to make them the most money.

[Chaps]

But as of right now.

[PFT Commenter]

As of right now, yes.

[Chaps]

It's definitely more right leaning than anything else.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So would you agree with that, Big T?

[Big T]

I think the legacy media is still predominantly left wing, but a lot of new media, like legacy.

[Chaps]

And as far as what, like regular.

[Big T]

New York Times, Washington Post.

[Chaps]

Washington Post is a Bezos product. He.

[Big T]

But Bezos is not a Trump guy.

[Chaps]

I mean, he's in the Oval.

[Big T]

He like, he don't.

[Chaps]

He donated a ton of money.

[Big T]

I'm. He's donated to Democratic politics. The, the, the editorial lean of the Washington Post is not conservative.

[Chaps]

They stopped the opinion piece whenever Trump was going against.

[Big T]

Yes, like that.

[Chaps]

Because of a direct.

[Big T]

Okay, fine. Okay, fine. So the Washington Post. But msnbc, cnn, all of the, you know, all that kind of stuff is still predominantly left.

[Chaps]

The major news networks that are on like Fox, abc, a, Sinclair Media. Yeah, like that's right leaning. Like they get their talking points. I just don't feel like anymore. I think you could have made that argument probably during the Bush administration and maybe the Obama administration. Probably Obama administration. I don't think that's the case anymore.

[Big T]

Okay. I, I think it definitely is, but new media, I would say is more right than left.

[Chaps]

Yeah. What would you say? I, I think the only ones that you could say are really left leaning would be MSNBC in the New York Times. Other than that, it's either central or right.

[Big T]

Npr.

[Chaps]

Np. I see. I don't think NPR is as left leaning. Definitely not.

[Big T]

Oh, yes you do.

[Chaps]

Pbs, npr, NPR is. But I don't feel like it's not at the same level as these social media sites for sure.

[Big T]

I think for a certain demographic it's up there. But yeah. But yes, on online, I think there are certainly new right media outlets that didn't exist 10 years ago.

[Chaps]

I mean, if you look at like Facebook, for example, the biggest podcasts that exist on Facebook are all conservative. Every single one. Like you have Ben Shapiro.

[Big T]

But those are independent things.

[Chaps]

Sure, but that's based on algorithm.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like who is recommended for you based on the algorithm that Facebook exists under.

[Big T]

Yeah. If you go look at like podcast charts, there are a lot of right wing podcasts that are at the top for sure.

[Chaps]

Especially that are pushed by like meet Meta. Like those podcasts are huge. Shapiro is not nearly as big without Facebook.

[Big T]

Sure. I don't think any. I think there are a ton. We're not as big without Facebook.

[Chaps]

Like that's fair.

[Big T]

I would say any media organization that relies on social media Is is heavily dependent on Facebook.

[Chaps]

I just see so often people are like the left leaning media. I don't feel like that is the case.

[Big T]

I think there's a pretty sharp divide between old legacy media and new media.

[Chaps]

Even old legacy media, like I, I, CNN is a little bit right at this point. You have, I mean again, MSNBC or the New York Times. The Wall Street Journal is right leaning.

[PFT Commenter]

It's always the New York Post.

[Chaps]

The New York Post is right leaning.

[Big T]

Well, yeah, but I would hardly put the New York Post with any of this.

[Chaps]

It's one of the biggest publications that people get like on.

[PFT Commenter]

They know how to do headlines.

[Chaps]

Yeah, they know how to do headlines.

[PFT Commenter]

They love their headlines over there.

[Chaps]

I just feel it's like a misnomer at this point.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I think that there's some of.

[Chaps]

The biggest worst case scenario or best case scenario. It's even. It's definitely not left leaning.

[PFT Commenter]

It's like the, the more people that work there, it's more likely to be left leaning. I think like the bigger institutions, I.

[Chaps]

Think Again, Meta, Twitter, TikTok employ way more people than the New York Times, I would imagine.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I guess I'm thinking about in terms of like that being a platform which then promotes or punishes news articles. News sources.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Like Twitter is the major news source of America.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. For breaking news, for sure. Can we just. I brought this up, I think a couple weeks ago, how bad Twitter would have been on 9, 11, like how much dog would be out there?

[Chaps]

I don't know. I feel like that might be, that might be a come together kind of instance because that's what happened across the board anyway.

[PFT Commenter]

Even because we didn't have Twitter. I'm, I'm, I was just fixing to.

[Big T]

Say I actually think it's something that you can't quantify because the country was so united after that. But social media didn't exist. Which is one of the things that has made it the opposite.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, true.

[Chaps]

And every single news agency was like, this is terrible. Yeah, obviously it was terrible.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There would be people that would, would say like, good, I'm glad this is happening. And then those people would get amplified through a lot of people that were like, hey, look at this person over here. They get a lot of attention. And then next thing you know, people are saying, oh, everyone's like happy that this happened.

[Chaps]

That imagine the people that would get fired if that happened now.

[PFT Commenter]

So there would be, it would be.

[Chaps]

Dwarf, Charlie, Kirk, Shit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. It'd be crazy. And then there'd be people Saying, oh, this is so and so. Who did this attack? Oh, no, I've got evidence saying that it's France that did this. Look what I just found.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Is this AI like, all kinds of dumb shit.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. It'd be bad. When Twitter put out their algorithmic timeline in 2016. I. That's when I think that the company started. The app started to die, like, a very slow death. I liked it when it was just straight up algorithmic or not algorithmic, straight up chronological. Everything's. If you want to scroll back and find what somebody said five hours ago, you can do that. It's just about what people are saying right now.

[Chaps]

Especially sports. It was so much better for sports.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you remember the old manual retweets that you would do?

[Chaps]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So before the retweet button became a thing. Big td. Are you familiar?

[Big T]

So I remember when, quote, tweets were very different.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Manual retweet. I'm not sure.

[PFT Commenter]

Before there was a retweet button, you would just copy and paste what somebody said, and then you would type RT in front of it and then put their handle and their entire tweet.

[Big T]

I think that predates me a little bit.

[Chaps]

So it'd be like, for instance, I'd be rt. Pft. Commenter. How are you getting ready for this NFL Sunday?

[Big T]

Yeah, so I remember when, quote tweets, you had to do something similar to that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, for a while.

[Big T]

Tweets.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you. You used to have to do that when you were, quote, tweeting something. But, yeah, for a while it was just. And it used to be. It wasn't a. It wasn't a heart.

[Chaps]

It was alike.

[PFT Commenter]

It was.

[Chaps]

It was.

[Big T]

It was a star. It was a star favorite.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that was. That was contentious.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Chaps]

It was like, what the is this? Yeah, this is a travesty on levels that have never been seen.

[PFT Commenter]

You could go to. You could go to somebody's Favstar account or Favestar account. You remember those. To find out what their best tweets were, the ones that had the most stars on them.

[Chaps]

Getting rid of public likes was also a travesty. We would have never had the moment where Ted Cruz, like, what's her name? Chase something.

[PFT Commenter]

Chase the. The stepmom porn or whatever.

[Chaps]

Yeah, we had never had that moment.

[PFT Commenter]

Did that on 9 11. Yeah. But that was. That was an intern that hacked into his account and then liked that video.

[Chaps]

That's one of the things that when people are like, oh, the social media, Internet, barstool, it's like dude, do you think Barstool's given 18 million followers on Tick Tock or whatever the it is to an intern?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So when they switched up, people were very upset at Twitter for doing that. And it was all tied to user growth because it turned out that the bottom line really liked the non chronological timeline because it allowed you to take more control over what your users saw. And they added 9 million users in the first quarter of 2017, which was a lot for them.

[Chaps]

Geez.

[PFT Commenter]

And then now the for you page is kind of the next step going along with that. Do people use Twitter spaces anymore?

[Big T]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a big thing.

[Big T]

Not as big as it was three or four years ago, but yeah, it's still a thing.

[Chaps]

That's more Tick Tock live.

[Big T]

Yeah. Now, definitely.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. And then obviously Elon's been criticized for a lot of things that he did with Twitter. Jack Dorsey was also criticized for a lot of stuff that he did with Twitter too.

[Chaps]

Can I give Elon a shout out?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Because I'm not a huge Elon guy. I don't think that would be a surprise to anybody. Starlink on planes is an absolute game changer.

[Big T]

That's what I've heard on United now.

[Chaps]

Dude, I came back, I was flying back from Tucson. I did this High Noon event and I was coming back and it was when the Jags were playing the 49ers and I remember thinking, God damn it, that sucks. It was the only flight that was to Chicago from Tucson that day. So I couldn't even like change it. And I saw a guy when I was walking to the bathroom because I didn't even know Starlink was on there. And I saw him watching a different game and I was like, wait, what? And so I bought it and it was perfect. No buffering, nothing throughout the whole flight. And I was like, this is awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

That's awesome.

[Chaps]

Like now I think free too. Yeah, now I think I want to schedule flights at that time because my four hour flight from Tucson to Chicago or three hour flight, whatever, it was best flight I've ever had. I like, was completely locked in. I would be doing the same exact thing on my couch as I did in seat 12B.

[PFT Commenter]

That, that is awesome. That is very cool. I like that. I. I've actually thought about getting Starlink.

[Chaps]

Not first class.

[PFT Commenter]

Sometimes I daydream about like, what I'm going to be doing in like 15, 20 years and I think about getting like an RV and just driving around. I got Starlink. I got the Internet everywhere. I could Even do a podcast if I wanted to. If those are still a thing. It does seem like awesome technology.

[Chaps]

Yeah. There's a dude that's on Tick Tock that's walking around the world. Like, he's doing the longest track. I think it starts in like China and it ends in Europe or something like that. It like all the way in Norway. Like, it's the longest way that you can actually walk.

[PFT Commenter]

Is he gonna survive?

[Chaps]

Yeah, like he's. It's like 580 days that he's been doing it and has made his way through the subcontinent of India now and is like moving on. But he has Startlink and he said it's the only way that he can upload his. And it's also remarkable that he's been doing it for 5, 500 and something days and only has like 40,000 followers.

[PFT Commenter]

You would think that that is crazy.

[Chaps]

The guy that had eels in his basement had way more.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, I mean, eels get numbers results.

[Chaps]

You'll put asses in the seat.

[PFT Commenter]

The problem with the walking across the world thing is, like, if you do daily updates, the place that you were at the day before is going to be pretty much the same as where you're at.

[Chaps]

He does only every four days.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, that's cool.

[Chaps]

Yeah, he does like, these are the highlights of the last four days of me walking around the Earth. And he tries to do at least 15 miles every day.

[PFT Commenter]

I can get on board with that.

[Big T]

How long is that going to take?

[Chaps]

I don't know. It's got to take forever. But he relies on the kindness of like villages. Like he gets taken in and he talks about like, these are. Every single place that he goes is real remote. He just always says, like, when he shows up, people are super into what he's doing. And because he has Google Translate and Starlink, he can let them know what he's doing and they all think it's cool. So they bring him in. He gets all like the authentic meals from places like he went to. I think he walked through Mongolia where he went and had like yak milk beer essentially. And like he goes through. He can try all kinds of different stuff. He goes out and he just either camps or he stays with a family that's in that village. It's awesome.

[PFT Commenter]

That is very cool. Get to learn a lot about the world also.

[Chaps]

I feel like that's a super privileged thing.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a very privileged. You have to have. You have to be bankrolled by something.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

You can't just be broke and Say, know what I'm going to do? I'm going to walk across the world.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I mean, I imagine he's making some money on different social media places, but his videos don't go crazy viral.

[PFT Commenter]

But you can't start that up even if you are making money. It's like, okay, for the first two months, I won't be making, I won't have a cent in my bank account from this.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

So I hope I survive the first two months in Siberia.

[Chaps]

Yeah. But there's also a lot of places that he's going that I don't think it would make fuckle difference if he had money or not. Yeah. Like, because, I mean, they're not exactly taking USD in some of these spots in Bangladesh.

[PFT Commenter]

With Twitter, they, they got into a lot of trouble in the late 2000 teens, early 2000s, because they, they were suppressing certain stories and they were blacklisting certain users. I think a lot of that came from a desire to call some misinformation to try to get off the platform. But then they ended up banning some people, suppressing some stories that were actually true. And that led to Elon wanting to buy Twitter to be like this, this is a place for free speech. We have to protect all speech. And then I, Elon has, I don't think, really lived up to that. I think he, he promotes speech that he likes and he suppresses speech that he doesn't like on his platform. If it was like completely. Can you imagine if, if Twitter, this is a problem with Twitter and social media in general in terms of whether or not they want to be a publisher or if they want to be a platform. So if they're going to be a publisher of information, that means that they have a duty to edit and censor things that their users post on their platforms. So if a user posts something on the platform that is factually incorrect or put somebody else in a dangerous position, if they like get doxed or whatever it is. If you're a publisher, you have a duty that once you're alerted to that, you have to try to take that content off your website because otherwise you can be held liable. If you get. If something happens and they can sue Twitter or they can sue Facebook and be like, you're a publisher and you did nothing to take this off, off, and now something bad happened, you're liable for it.

[Chaps]

But don't they get rid of or around a lot of that with user agreements?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So there's, there's a special law that's written in place section 230 we talked about a little bit last week. But that essentially it draws the line of being a publisher and being a platform. So if you're a platform, that means that you can post whatever you want on there and that you will not be held to the same standard as like if somebody.

[Chaps]

4Chan.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like if somebody wrote an article in the New York Times and was like, this person just got accused of murder, then that publication could be sued if that person was not actually accused of murder. So when it comes to social media platforms, it's like they have almost an obligation to let any free speech go or else they could be regulated just like any other news source or media publisher. But since they don't, it's interesting because you, you don't want your users to just say whatever they want.

[Chaps]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

There should be. Can we agree that there, there should be limits?

[Big T]

Depends what you mean.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. Like if you post the home address of somebody online and bomb making instructions.

[Chaps]

That's a tough, that's a tough one because I feel like that is slippery slopish. I feel like the only way that you can get around that is essentially the Supreme Court's ruling on pornography. Like, you know, when you see it type of thing. But overall, like, I thought it was terrible that every, like that they started flagging misinformation or quote, misinformation about COVID Yeah. I think that's a blatant violation of free speech. And the government getting involved with that. Biden getting involved with that. I thought that was incredibly wrong. Yeah.

[Big T]

I have seen how slippery the slope is. So I am very hesitant to. I lean on the side of whatever you want.

[Chaps]

I do think that they're like, for example, I think revenge porn, like if you're posting explicit images of someone else with. Without permission, I feel like that's one thing.

[Big T]

Sure. I'm talking about information.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Or information.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like if I want to say that if you eat a ton of fire ants, then you'll get rid of COVID I should be able to say that.

[PFT Commenter]

So there, there are laws.

[Chaps]

I should be able to be as dumb as I want.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. There are laws in place that say if you, if you post revenge porn, that's a crime and you can be tracked down and sent to prison.

[Chaps]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

Doing that. But if website knowingly has tens of thousands of their users posting revenge porn on this platform that can be seen by millions of people, do they then have a duty to also take that down? That's what the question is.

[Chaps]

I think if it goes again, I don't think the government should enforce that. I feel like the free market should probably enforce that. I feel like if you had a platform that was flooded with child pornography, that would be a platform that a vast majority of decent people leave. Yeah. So I feel like that would be a self destructive thing to do now. I feel like the government, if you put up pornography because sharing of pornography like that, like child rape and stuff like that would be. That's against the law anyway. So I feel like the distribution of that would still be punished because it is against the law. Law to do that. Rightfully so. Because it's the exploitation of minors and all of that, obviously.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. So whatever you want to say. And then let people decide whether or not they like you or not.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I feel like it's a different whether or not you, you can't allow crimes. I think like the, like, if you are a platform, I don't think you can allow the spreading of crimes which child pornography would be.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Chaps]

Or any of those types of things.

[PFT Commenter]

Right.

[Chaps]

But there, I mean, like you said, there is murders on there. There is people getting set on fire self.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Like all that stuff.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So now, now that Elon is in charge, he's started to like devalue things that he disagree. Disagrees with. And then people are mad at him now for being, hey, you're not a free speech absolute guy.

[Chaps]

I mean you could see that if you sign up for a brand new Twitter account, you're not getting Midas touch first.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. Right. You guys on Snapchat at all? Oh, by the way, one more thing with Twitter for that. There's, there's a new thing that they're unveiling, I think to select users where you will be able to see what country every person on Twitter is based in. That could be very funny. I, I hope that they roll that out for everybody.

[Big T]

That would be, that was my understanding.

[PFT Commenter]

It would be shocking to see like people that are not based in the United States that you thought were based in the United States.

[Chaps]

I think there's gonna be a lot.

[PFT Commenter]

Of Russia, a lot of Russia. There's gonna be a lot of Pakistan, a lot of India.

[Chaps]

India.

[PFT Commenter]

There's. There's actually a lot of white supremacists that are just Indian guys that are running Twitter accounts, making money. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. Yeah, I don't really use Snapchat either.

[Chaps]

I don't even know how to use Snapchat.

[Big T]

Are y' all still on Snapchat?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I Snapchat one person a day and it's my mom. Yeah, yeah, I know, adorable. I still have it, but it's mostly just like I used it in college and it like saves all my videos there. So I like go back and look at those.

[Chaps]

But yeah, I feel like that's a thing with the super young so their parents don't see it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, there was. I don't know if this is still a thing, but the, the youngs basically text on Snapchat. They don't text on imessage like they text in the whatever chat. So I think that is a big thing. But then they also have like their own version. I always get notifications for it annoys me of their like Instagram Reels or TikTok. They have basically algorithm that you can scroll. I'm not quite sure where the footage comes from. I have never spent more than. I've never purposely spent time on that. But they have their own version of a algorithmic.

[Chaps]

You know, from what I understand, Barstool gets a ton of money from our Snapchat.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They have. Snapchat has like the highest rate of payment for their creators, probably because not as many people use it or like, you know, not as many people talk about it anymore.

[PFT Commenter]

I determine what's popular amongst the youth based on if. If people are taking a selfie at a Barstool event, the app that they're taking the selfie in natively. And I see just tons of Snapchat.

[Chaps]

I do too.

[PFT Commenter]

Way more than I ever thought that I would.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that surprised me at first.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, like, what are you doing? Yeah, it's just, we're sick. We want to flick up, let's flick up. Take Snapchat. Yeah. I was on Snapchat for a little bit because I heard that it was the future. And then I was like, I'm too old for this. I don't. It doesn't make sense to me. And some people have accused Snapchat of being like a platform where you can like sell drugs. There was a guy in Utah that like accused it of being like a drug trafficking website. I got news for you, buddy. In any new app that has person to person interaction, you're going to figure out how to sell drugs and send nudes on it.

[Chaps]

What do you think the hardest platform was to learn? For me it was Reddit by a country mile.

[PFT Commenter]

I browse Reddit sometimes. I don't contribute to Reddit.

[Chaps]

I don't ever contribute either. But like learning how to use that, at first, yeah, I was like, how do you even find stuff here?

[PFT Commenter]

There have been. Let's see. I mean, Instagram wasn't. There's a lot of stuff that still confused me about Instagram. Although I did learn I can go live with my sunglasses on there.

[Chaps]

Oh, you're. I thought you meant your normal sunglasses that you wear.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I was like, well, yeah, the meta shades that I have. I can go live.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I could go live while also wearing sunglasses.

[Chaps]

I was like, cool, dude. So can we.

[PFT Commenter]

So I'd say, like, there's a lot of stuff about Instagram, like, a lot of features that I don't completely understand on there. Twitter was. For a while, it was hard to learn at the start. Now I feel like the barrier to entry is way, way lower than it used to be. But for a while it was like, wow, what world am I in right now? This is crazy.

[Chaps]

Do you remember what your first tweet was about?

[PFT Commenter]

There's a website, right?

[Chaps]

I remember mine. It was about. I think my very first one that I ever tweeted was at Skip Bayless, and my second one was at Zach Braff.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, Same positive stuff.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I was like, zach, I love the show. Would, like. It would be awesome if you commented. Yeah, this was like, probably 2011 10, something like that. Before I was extremely online, I think.

[PFT Commenter]

Might have been in a reply to Pro football talk.

[Chaps]

That. Would that make sense?

[PFT Commenter]

That would make sense, right?

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

How do you. Is it like my first tweet find my first tweet.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I just remember when you would get a reply back then from a celebrity, it was like the biggest thing that could ever happen to you.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And like, now it's just like they're always replying to people or like saying, like, even like with cameo, it's like, you can buy that now sort of thing. I mean, Kevin Durant will respond to you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Any day of the week. But it's like back in the day, I remember, like, Yeah, I don't know, like random people, if they responded to you was like the biggest thing or if they liked your tweet or if.

[PFT Commenter]

Like a brand responded to you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, holy shit, Arby's is talking to me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes, exactly.

[Chaps]

Try that on. On chat. Gbt. What was pft Commenters first ever tweet. I wonder if it can find that.

[Big T]

By the way, there was like a 9% increase in Ukrainian Internet usage from 2021-24.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, I'm gonna look up my first tweet, then. I'll look up. I'll look up all your guys first tweet. Actually, if you go to advanced search on Twitter, it should be pretty easy to do.

[Big T]

Chat. GPT couldn't find your first tweet, but it linked me to a spat you had with John Rocker.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh yeah? What did it say?

[Big T]

So I'll. Let me see if it. So you said In February of 2014, I won this round versus John Rocker at John Rocker book.

[PFT Commenter]

That was his. Yeah. That was his Twitter account.

[Big T]

Yeah. It appears he appears to have a different one now. A honor to compete with a worthy foe. See you in the playoffs, John. If you're not suspended for dick medicine, then he must have responded something that's now gone. And you said, actually I didn't play because there was were flashy. It's so hard to read these when you typed like this because there were flashier Terry Pendleton type hip hop titans who were divas and they took my spot. Commie Terry Pendleton type hip hop Shout out Terry.

[Chaps]

He's one of my favorite players growing up.

[PFT Commenter]

He was Great. First tweet. October 2, 2012. Replying to Pro Football Talk. I thought the real refs were going to put a stop to every concussion hit. Oh, they suck just as much. Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Chaps]

What's mine?

[PFT Commenter]

Let's see.

[Chaps]

It's gotta be.

[Big T]

How are you finding it?

[PFT Commenter]

Advanced search. Okay, chaps, Your first tweet. March 17, 2012. St. Patrick's Day. Irish meets white trash. Hashtag green. Hashtag PBR. March 18. Nothing is a reward for yard work like a cold beer in a tepid shower hour. True.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that one holds up.

[PFT Commenter]

Then later on that day, you had a nice little day.

[Chaps]

Hell yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Toaster strudels and parks and Rec with my wife. Perfect. Sunday night. Hashtag Lil Sebastian. Hashtag Treat yourself 2012.

[Chaps]

I love it.

[Big T]

That one holds up too.

[Chaps]

That's hilarious.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, my God, that's great. Then there was I want to follow actual hashtag Coney on Twitter, but I can't find him. We should start a group to look for him. You're early on that, Coney.

[Chaps]

I was?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Good for you, Big T. When did you sign up?

[Big T]

I have no idea. I tried to find it, but it's just giving me tweets from the last, like, couple years.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's on your profile.

[PFT Commenter]

Like.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like on your profile page. What year you started?

[Chaps]

Oh, 13 years ago. I. I still eat toaster strudel and watch Parks and Rec.

[PFT Commenter]

With your wife.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Good for you. Still at it.

[Chaps]

Yeah, the main show I watch actually one I only really watch. Watch one show now and it's Strictly Love Island. It's the only show I watch. There's like 60 episodes of the one from the UK. I've watched three seasons so far. And there's no one insight that's so much fun to watch.

[PFT Commenter]

I haven't dipped into that one yet.

[Chaps]

It's terrible tv. But, like, at the end of the day, when you watch any other show, like, let's say you're watching Severance, you have to be locked in. You can't have, like, a conversation while you're doing it. So, like, if you're spending time with your spouse, I feel like it's so much better be like, look at this dumb bitch or assholes hanging out. Look at this dude. What a douche. Like, you can talk throughout it and make fun of people and nobody else hears, but you can be as absolutely mean as you want.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Big T]

All right, well, PFT has to go to the convenience store convention, something which I might check out. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, chaps, for being here. Good talk and we will see you guys next Tuesday. I believe Arian should be back. And pft. Have fun at the convenience store.

[PFT Commenter]

Love you guys.

[Chaps]

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[Big T]

Do that as well.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Chaps]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Chaps]

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[PFT Commenter]

Hey, what does all in one mean?

[Chaps]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Chaps]

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[PFT Commenter]

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