Inside the Data Center Boom | May 21, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing: "Inside the Data Center Boom" (May 21, 2026) — Episode Summary

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives deep into the cultural, economic, and environmental conversations surrounding the explosive growth of data centers, particularly as they relate to AI. Co-hosts Arian Foster and PFT Commenter (joined by their regular cast, including Big T and Mad Dog) dissect recent alarmist rhetoric about data centers—exploring how much water they actually use, what their local impacts are, and how the AI gold rush is reshaping society. The conversation also ranges widely, touching on athlete development in college sports, the legitimacy of modern magicians/mentalists, Google’s AI transformation, social media nostalgia, and the ongoing conundrums of American wealth and power.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. College Sports and the Changing Nature of Athlete Development (03:01–29:13)

• Competition and Player Development

  • Arian Foster shares a pivotal personal story about how competition in college pushed him to improve, emphasizing that “competition breeds greatness” and lamenting that NIL money and the transfer portal may be reducing this dynamic.
  • PFT and Big T discuss the explosion of the transfer portal and its surprising risks: “Over half the student athletes who enter the portal each cycle do not successfully move on to another college program.” (E, 21:21).

• Facilities and the Experience Gap

  • Foster waxes nostalgic about how state-of-the-art facilities at major universities create a haven for player development, far beyond what the NFL or smaller schools can provide.

• Economic Reality of College Athletes

  • Emphasis on realistic expectations for young athletes, and the inflated dreams pushed by agents and parents. “Your kid is probably an average athlete and that’s all right, man.” (D, 22:14).

• Life After Sports

  • Multiple anecdotes of college athletes going on to become doctors or finance partners, highlighting the value of leveraging college resources for non-sports careers.

2. Data Centers: Hype vs. Reality (72:41–109:42, with context at 61:01–71:33)

• Origins of the Data Center Panic

  • PFT sets up the discussion, noting the massive spike in social media alarmism over AI-related data centers, specifically environmental concerns (water/power use), “We're gonna have no clean drinking water in 15 years because of the data centers. That strikes me as probably untrue.” (E, 73:02)

• Debunking the Water Use Allegations

  • Cites research: U.S. data centers use about 170 billion gallons of water per year—less than 0.5% of US freshwater use, and far less than “almond production (1.7 trillion gallons)” or even “lawn maintenance (3.3 trillion gallons).” (E, 76:30)

  • Direct refutation of a viral data center scare story: “It turns out her calculations were off by a factor of 1000…and she had to apologize.” (E, 80:13)

• Legitimate Concerns

  • Arian brings up cases where small town water supplies have been affected, emphasizing that even if the overall share is small, the local impact can be significant (D, 79:25–80:53).
  • “You’re just basically at the mercy of companies…not able to combat a Google or OpenAI in court to fight these kind of things anyway.” (D, 82:24)
  • Nuisance: noise, zoning battles, and community pushback are real.

• Economic & Policy Perspectives

  • Data centers generate much higher GDP per unit water than agriculture: “Per 5 gallons of water usage, data centers = $132 GDP; almond production = 2 cents.” (E, 79:12)
  • Proposals for compromise (e.g., requiring community investments when building data centers): “If you want to build a data center, you have to build a park and basketball courts.” (E, 85:22)

• Broader Tech Skepticism

  • Both hosts agree they’re skeptical of corporate reassurances and worried about AI’s social impacts, but caution against misplaced environmental panic.
  • Comic relief: “Billionaires want to put up data centers…and you gotta trick them into giving people a playground!” (D, 85:22)

3. AI, Google, and Consumer Data (61:01–71:33)

• Google’s Pivot to AI Search

  • Big T breaks news about Google’s shift toward an AI-powered search experience: “They're trying to move more fully toward the AI companion thing...hurting smaller websites who rely on SEO and Google to drive traffic” (E, 61:04).
  • The group speculates that “all these companies...aren’t sure how to monetize it” but are collecting behavioral data with a long-term goal of possibly replacing staff via automation (D, 63:59).

• Ethical and Societal Questions

  • Concern that companies’ main goal is “a consumerism hellscape” and more intimate data collection to target users.

4. Magic, Mentalists, & Skepticism (48:34–59:58)

• O’s the Mentalist Debunked
  • Discussion triggered by a new expose: “Magic ain’t real, dog. This don’t exist in our world, in our universe. I wish it did. That’d be lit.” (D, 52:24)
  • The panel distinguishes between entertainers (magicians/illusionists) and exploiters (mediums who prey on grief).
  • Riff on nostalgia: exposes of magicians “Magic’s Biggest Secrets Revealed” was formative TV.
  • Quote: “You got to know that the stripper doesn’t like you…. The same with magic.” (E, 59:02)

5. Other Notable Side Topics

• Political Cynicism & Stock Trading Scandals (33:28–45:03, 37:17)

  • Chat about corruption in Congress, specifically stock trading by lawmakers.
  • “This is corruption, Connor! This is clearly corruption.” (D, 38:39)
  • Skepticism of both parties’ willingness to fix systemic issues.

• Wealth Inequality and the Billionaire Class (86:49–98:08)

  • Arguments over whether billionaires are inherently exploitative.
  • Arian’s philosophy: “If I was a billionaire…I would be feeding the fuck out of people. I would be dumping all my resources into people helping people.” (D, 87:22)
  • The difference between being wealthy as a worker/athlete and as a capitalist owner is debated.
  • Debunks myths about the amount of wealth held by billionaires versus other high-net-worth individuals.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Data Centers

• “We’ve had thousands of data centers for years…most people don’t even know that they do. But now that it’s an AI thing? People are catastrophizing it.” (E, 73:51)
• “Golf courses in the United States use a trillion gallons a year. I don’t think we’re stopping that anytime soon.” (E, 76:12)
• “If the problem is we don’t want them in small communities, taking [over], nobody wants that. But…they’re gonna go somewhere. I think we need to figure out where.” (E, 84:17)
• “I would be a dope compromise. But it’s funny that billionaires want to put data centers in and you have to kind of like, trick them into doing it…like, ‘Give ‘em a playground’.” (D, 85:22)

On Magic and Reality

• “Magic ain’t real, dog. This don’t exist in our world, in our universe. I wish it did. That’d be lit.” (D, 52:24)
• “You got to know that the stripper doesn’t like you…. The same with magic.” (E, 59:02)

On the Transfer Portal and Athlete Development

• “Over half the student athletes who enter the portal each cycle do not successfully move on to another college program.” (E, 21:21)
• “If you don’t see my value, then somebody else will…which isn’t untrue. But competition…that shit breeds greatness.” (D, 13:11)

On Wealth

• “If I was a billionaire…I would be feeding the fuck out of people.” (D, 87:22)
• “The greatest con billionaires have pulled is to make people protect the wealthiest people who continuously f*ck them over.” (D, 91:42)

On Tech & AI

• “All these companies don’t exactly know what they want to use it for yet. They just know they want to use it.” (E, 63:07)
• “You have probably one of the most successful businesses in history and you want to alter its DNA to test what happens…” (D, 68:19)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 03:01 — College football competition, NIL, and transfer portal
• 13:11 — Arian’s personal story about athlete development, competition
• 21:14 — Transfer portal statistics and risk
• 29:13 — Transition to political and magic conversations
• 48:34 — Mentalist/magician skepticism
• 61:01 — Google’s AI transformation & data collection
• 72:41 — Main segment: Data center boom—fact, myth, and alarmism
• 76:12 — Comparative statistics: data centers vs. golf & almonds
• 84:17 — Where should data centers go? Community impact
• 87:22 — Wealth, billionaires, and exploitation
• 101:18 — Youth/age in Congress, generational disconnect in tech use
• 105:41 — Closing thoughts on AI, scams, and the future

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Final Notes

Throughout, the episode features the hosts’ trademark blend of irreverence, storytelling, and skepticism, laced with sarcasm and humor. Their take: the data center panic is overblown in the grand scheme, but real local concerns remain. AI and tech are inescapable—embrace and monitor them, but don’t buy corporate hype uncritically. And whether you're thinking about sports, magic, or wealth, always look beyond the surface.

End of Summary

Transcript

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[E]

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[D]

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[C]

Mackenzie is in and out. She's busy being a director.

[D]

Beautiful. We still got Lil Man's out. He's still running the streets, running the sports streets.

[E]

He's busy doing puff pieces for Lane Kiffin.

[D]

You know, I saw him posing with Lane. Give me your top three questions you'd ask Lane Kiffin.

[E]

I mean, I would have more time to prepare for this interview than right now, but I don't know. They did a good job. They did ask him, like, would you have done anything differently? Which he kind of answered talking about at Tennessee. No. Well, I think they did say they were talking about Ole Miss specifically, but then Big Cat asked him about most of the places you've left. There's been turmoil. Like, or do you think you kind of draw that sort of ire upon yourself? But they. They did a good job. I was just messing with pft, but

[D]

I would ask them, what is your goal as, like, a head coach? Like, what. What is your goal as far as, like, I. I would think, like, clearly it's not legacy, right? Because usually, like, college coaches that want to succeed in that high fashion, I think they. They usually like sticking to one place and building that out for their own as their own legacy. But this is. He's had like four or five of the most prestigious jobs a college coach can have. And it's like, I would just, like, what is your. What is your. What is your goal here? Like, I assume he's to win, but I would probably drill down more on that if he just said to win.

[E]

I think it's pretty clear. This is me hypothesizing. But he could have stayed at Ole Miss, a program which he had built to be very competitive, very successful, forever, never been fired. He may have won in that. They damn near won the national championship last year after he left. He could have won a national championship there. Is it as easy as it is at lsu? No, but he could have done it. He would have had a statue outside the stadium. He would have had a street named after him. I think it's pretty clear he is after. I think he has some vanity, no pun intended, given his recent Interview in Vanity Fair. That's something I would have asked about. But, yeah, I think he wants to. He likes being in the headlines, and that's fine. You know, there's a place for that.

[D]

He wants to be like the college football Kim Kardashian.

[E]

He is a successful enough coach to continue getting opportunities that give him the ability to remain in the limelight.

[D]

I don't disagree with that.

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[D]

That. That is the thing I noticed about a lot of some of college coaches. A lot of them fail upwards, too. There's a lot of falling up in college football.

[E]

See, I think that about the NFL. I'm not saying that doesn't happen in college, but the NFL just rehires the same. You know, between head coach and coordinators, there are, what, 66 or 96, excuse me, head coaches and coordinators. And they just rehire the same ones all the time. Like, it's very rare that they hire a guy from college or that, you know, someone you know, new climbs the ranks. It's always the same guys.

[D]

I'm sure there's exceptions to this, but from my experience, if you got talented cats in the league, you gonna win, right? To me, college is more of a developmental ground for sure. And what makes a good college coach is, hey, you gotta teach him how to be a young man. And I think that aspect of college has kind of gone down the wayside because of the money aspect of it. It's hard for a kid to listen to a coach and say, hey, it's time. You gotta be on time. You gotta be accountable. You gotta do this. You gotta do this. If I'm making $2 million a year, it's hard because that would be the leverage that you hold over the kid's head is like the reasons why you need to do these things so you can set yourself up to be a successful person. What does it mean to be a person? Boom, boom, boom. But now it's like, I walk into college, I'm a millionaire or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even like 50 grand. If I get 50, 60 grand. That's a lot of money for a kid. And I just can't see the developmental part happening anymore. Which is why I feel like a coach, like Glen Kiffin kind of is what college football is now. Like, whatever, man. Let's all just get this money together and play good ball.

[E]

To your point about development, to show you how old of a concept that is Now, Tennessee this year is either going to start a red shirt freshman who was a very high four star at quarterback or a true freshman who was a five star at one point the number one quarterback in the country. It used to be even five years ago that was a, an enviable position to be in that you would have those two guys competing. All right. Whichever one of them comes out, that's going to be your guy. Sure, they're young but very talented players. People talk about Tennessee next season as if they don't have a quarterback like that. They're just going to, they're going to play with 10. Like, oh, you don't have, you didn't get a senior $5 million transfer in the portal. Oh, you're, you're dead. Having two guys compete for the job used to be the way it worked. That's, that's how it used to go.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

The landscape has changed and now, now it's good business to go get somebody who has been through the college system a little bit.

[E]

And I agree with that. I, I, you know, if Tennessee had gotten one of the transfer quarterbacks this year, I would have been thrilled in doing that. And you let those guys sit for another year, whatever. But like, it used to be that you had to develop your own players.

[D]

Yeah. And that was part of the skill set of being a coach. And also, who was it that, Who was it that said it? That was like, it was a part of a character development from the athlete's point of view of like, like, I remember when I was coming out my, my red shirt freshman year, they were playing and I've told him this to his face and plenty times afterwards. My redshirt freshman year, I actually was behind Monterio Hardesty and he, this is actually, I don't know if I've ever told this story. We were playing Ole Miss. We were playing Ole Miss and he had started to beat me out. And the Ole Miss game came, and Trooper Taylor, our running back coach Gerald Riggs, was the starter at the time. He calls Monterio, and I'm right there by Troop, and he don't hear him. And he's like, Dario Terry. Everybody's like, I don't know to this day, actually, I didn't realize him where he was, but I think. I think it was. Oh, I think it was Ole Miss. But he. He puts me in. So he puts me in, and I do pretty well. And then I come back out. Material comes in a little later on. I think he tears his acl. And from that standpoint, you know, I took my games to the next level, and we kind of traded carries from here and there. But that kind of changed the trajectory of my. Of my career. Excuse me, but what developed me most as a player was that competition of. I used to. I was a film junkie, so I used to sit in the film room and just. Just over. Over consume that stuff. And so I watched all of his practice reps, Every single one of his practice reps. Monterio. I was like, what is. He's doing that? I'm not doing that. The coaches love about it so much. And I figured it out. He was disgusting at getting upfield. It doesn't matter what. Like, I had a tendency when I first got. Because I was so much faster than everybody in high school, I would just beat everybody to the edge. Well, in college, guys are a lot faster, and so they cut off that angle, and so they coach you to get up field. And so we didn't have anybody on a roster previously or to that point that got up field the way that he did. He was explosive as shit. One of the most explosive people I've ever seen get up the field. And so when that clicked, I implemented that into my game. During the off season, I got up field. I exploded. That's part of the reason why I developed the dead leg, which helped me so much in the NFL. And I've told Montero that for years afterwards. I was like, dog, you spearheaded my career because you were so good at it that I had to study why. Why you were. Why did the coaches love you so much? But it was that competition that I saw something he was better than me at. And I took it upon myself as a challenge to get better at that shit so that I could develop more of my game so that the coaches put me on the field. It feels like that kind of shit is gone, or at least it's fading away that kids aren't necessarily scared of the competition. They're just like, well, if y' all don't see my value, then somebody else will. Which is not untrue. It's just competition, Especially in the athletic field. That shit breeds greatness. If you. That kind of person, if you cut from that kind of cloth, which I, again, I feel like I was the best ever. And I feel like every athlete should feel like that. But if. But if you. But if you. But if you run into somebody that's better, what does that do to you? Like, how do you react to that situation? And then you could take this in life as well. I tell people all the time, like, dog, if somebody has a better value set or somebody, they see value in somebody else that more than you, what are you going to do to outwork that, to change that perception? And it says it's a character trait. But anyway, that. That was a. That was an extremely pivotal point in my career, in my life. And I just, like, that shit's gone, dog. Like, just leaving. And.

[E]

And the scenario you're describing, a ton of guys do this. They're like, all right, well, I'm not playing at Tennessee, so I'm going to enter the portal and I'm going to, you know, I'm going to go to Ole Miss or Texas or whatever. They're not looking for guys who weren't playing at Tennessee. They're looking for guys who either were playing at Tennessee or were tearing it up at Tulane or James Madison or whatever. So then you end up transferring to Texas State, and then it turns out you're not as good as you thought you were, and now you're at Texas State and you're not playing or you're not playing well, and then now you try to transfer again, and now nobody wants you, and you end up just in the portal and you have no job anywhere.

[D]

That is actually a good. I wonder. There's got to be some kind of stats of the success rate.

[E]

There is. I saw it the other day. Let me.

[D]

I would love to see that while you're looking for it. But, like, the stats of the success rate of the transfers. Because, like, when you transfer, what I think, like, so if I'm. If I go to a big. So if I go to Ohio State and I'm like, well, they don't want me, I'll go somewhere else. If you go to another big school, I feel like that's probably good. But if. Let's say you do it again or a big school isn't interested in you because they're looking for somebody who could play. Now you go to a smaller school, the big schools have the better coaches, they have the better facilities, they have the better infrastructure around being an athlete. I tell college kids who ever ask for advice this all the time. Like dog colleges have, it is a haven, it is a, it is a, it is everything that you need is there. They have nutritionists, they have weight rooms, they have coaches, they have experts, therapists. Anything that you need to get better, if you decide to get better, you will get better there. So, like take advantage of all of that stuff. If you go to a smaller school, I'm sure they have a similar infrastructure around. But it's not like the big colleges. It's nowhere near. Like, if you, I mean, shit, last time I walked into the Tennessee facilities, I was like, man, if I had this shit, I'd have been way better.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, college, I don't know what the top NFL facilities are, but big time colleges are way nicer than NFL facilities.

[D]

It's not even close because they're not recruiting right. You know what I'm saying?

[E]

You're stuck there. You got what we got.

[D]

It is what it is. And it's not only that. It's like, and they have nutritionists and they have staff and stuff like that. But at that point in time, you are the CEO of your own business. Like I was the CEO of Arian Foster Incorporated. So I had to take it upon myself to invest in my body, invest in my mind, to invest in my nutrition, to further my career so that I can continue getting the income that I wanted. It's on you at that point because they're just like, yo, we have a, we have a farm system that's never ending then. And we're actively trying to replace you all the time. And so off if you want to, somebody else will come get a job done. That's how I looked at it. That's how it is. But I think a lot of times kids don't understand that aspect of it and understand that opportunity and youth is wasted on the young. But like the opportunity that you have in those college systems, man, sometimes I wish I could just go, if I could do that for like a month, I'd be in the best shape of my life. If I could go sit, go, go live in a dorm room at the

[E]

University of Tennessee, there's a non zero chance we could make that happen.

[D]

I probably could if I wanted to, but I don't want to. Well, actually that would Be pretty fire.

[E]

That'd be a sick video.

[D]

It would be a dope video. I get to golf every day. I guarantee this.

[E]

I know some people at golf courses out there, too. I.

[D]

Can we hook it up. But imagine this. I get to neglect all my responsibilities for a month, two months.

[E]

Yeah, you do have kids and stuff.

[D]

So I said, yeah, it was a hypothetical two months. I neglect all my responsibilities, and I live in a college dorm and my entire purpose is to get better at golf. In two months, my handicap's dropping four or five strokes. I guarantee it, though.

[E]

You think you get to scratch?

[D]

I think I could. And for the people saying, no, it's nothing, dog. I work. People don't know how to work, but I work, dog. It's different. I will. I will. At the height of my crush, like there was a point in time, I was working out three times a day. But I do it smart. I did it effectively. I was not the best athlete in the world, dog. I worked myself into. And I think most people can, but it's. You gotta have discipline.

[E]

But anywho, you think you could get the University of Houston or Rice to be like, listen, this summer, let me come in just every morning for a month and work with.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I could. I could go to any gym in any college and they'll. Yeah, tell them who you are. People, they love that type of. Just because it gives it, you know, a little bit more.

[E]

No, for golf.

[D]

I'm sure. I'm sure I could. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure I could. But who knows?

[E]

It'd be a fun video.

[D]

No, I don't want no former Pro bowl learning how to golf for my golf coaches. No. Out of here.

[E]

I don't know. Colleges are weird about shit. I was going to say about the facilities, though. I do think some of that is going to go away because part of the reason the NFL doesn't have facilities like that is they're spending way more money on their players. Which colleges are now? And so for a long time, colleges just had money coming out their ass. They're like, fuck it. Build a. Build a mini golf course and a slide. And, you know, we do whatever we want. Now Clemson has a slide in their facility. You can slide down from the. The second floor down to the first floor, but now you got to pay 800 grand for your right guard so you don't have all that money just flowing all the time.

[D]

I'm. I'm of the old. You seen one of the Rockies? I don't know which one were we Fighting the Russian.

[E]

Yeah, it was a Rocky. Three people, I don't know, four people are going to get mad. I watched it. It was fine. It was good.

[D]

Yeah, it's one of them. Yeah. I mean whatever about the movie, but there's a, there's a, an underlying theme there that I fully believe in. Like the Russian was training with all of this. The glitz and the glamour and the high tech and the this and the body comp. And the this and the damn. And Rocky was like lifting logs and running on the road and like doing the old school. I'm old school when it comes to that shit. All that shit. Yeah. I think some of that information is important, but at the end of the day, head to the road. We grinding. That's what, that's what I believe in.

[E]

Sometimes you need to just carry sacks of potatoes.

[D]

Potatoes. Not even potatoes. Potatoes. Sack of potatoes, stack potatoes.

[E]

By the way, to, to our earlier question, approximately 30 to 40% of NCAA Division 1 athletes who enter the transfer portal do not find a new team at that same competitive level. Across all divisions, over half was that.

[D]

What was that? Was it was the percentage.

[E]

30 to 40 don't find somewhere. So like if you're D1, they don't go to another D1 program. Over half the student athletes who enter the portal each cycle do not successfully move on to another college program. That's across all divisions. So more. All divisions. More than 50% of the people who enter the portal. That's it. They just don't find somewhere else to go.

[D]

That makes sense. I wonder if these stats are. Yeah, they're probably, they probably are. Like in team meetings they'll be like. And look guys, this is.

[E]

Oh yeah, if you, if you want

[D]

to leave, good luck. I could already, I could hear all those meetings.

[E]

Yeah, the people like the, the person we described is precisely the person who should stay where they're at and has a good situation and a scholarship at a big school and like, hopefully you're, you're able to beat somebody out and play, but if you're not like, I mean, you still kind of got a good thing going.

[D]

To our point last episode when we was talking about these crazy ass youth sports parents. It be them, it be the parents that think that your kid is the. Listen, your kid is not. Sorry. Your kid is probably an average athlete and that's all right, man. I know he, he probably has some. Had some touchdowns at your local whatever. But, but, but the odds of this shit happening are very low and I'm very realistic with My kids, too. Like, training my son for basketball right now. I'm like, I think you got a chance to actually go D1. I really. I do think he has a chance. I'm like, but lot of shit can happen, and if you don't handle your business, it's not going to happen. And so we have to keep realistic expectations and make sure you handle all of your other stuff, your grades and everything on. Because I don't have. I don't have a pipe dream for my kids to do anything. I want them to be happy. I want to set them up for success. But a lot of these parents, man, they be gassing their head. Their kids head up, and so now they sitting in the room, they ain't getting a shot. Go home, man. The coach don't like me. Coach ain't playing me. Well, let's just hit the transfer portal, all right? Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.

[E]

And worse than the parents now, they all have agents who are telling you, you should be playing, man. You. You could go play at Georgia Tech right now or Florida State told me, like, they'll. Okay, yeah.

[D]

Do they have any. Any kind of, I guess, vetting system for agents for. For kids now, or is it just.

[E]

I believe so. I think there's, like, a process you have to go through, but I don't think it's very robust.

[D]

It's not even robust in the league, to be honest. But, yeah. Well, good luck to all those youngins who statistically will go pro in something other than sports. It's okay, man. I had a homeboy who. Who was a middle linebacker or outside linebacker for us. He. He's a medical doctor now. Like, he. He was never trying to get to the league. He. He was good as a college. He was really good, but he was like, I'm trying to be a doctor. We were at the time. We're like, what the, bro? That is lame, right? But, like, looking back, I'm like, yo, that was amazing. And shout out to him, like, it's one of the most amazing things where he used all the tools, all the resources, and became a medical doctor. A real one.

[E]

That's good.

[D]

Adam Myers. White Adam Myers.

[E]

Shout out.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Do you know who Aaron Craft is?

[D]

Aaron. I know Marlon Craft is Aaron.

[E]

He actually has a Tennessee tie. He. He was on the recruiting visit that Bruce Pearl hosted. That was an illegal barbecue that ended up spiraling into a bunch of stuff that got Bruce pro fired. But he played at Ohio State for. He was one of the original. Before guys could actually Play seven and eight years. He was one of the guys that people were like, he's been there for eight years. I don't know how he's still playing. And he was. He was a really good college point guard. And. And he's a doctor now. I think he's doing, like, his residency at Ohio State.

[C]

I believe so as well. It's like. Or obviously not doctor, too, but who's that New York Giants player who now is, like, a partner at Goldman Sachs?

[E]

Justin Tuck. I saw that the other day.

[D]

Oh, is he really?

[C]

I saw an interview the other day with him. Probably the same one big T, where he was talking about how, yes, he was playing football to make it to the league and whatever. But he's like, I always had a vision after that. Like, I went to college. I got. I believe he went to Notre Dame.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

And he was like, I wanted to get a good education to further myself so that I could do something like this after. Like, in my mind, being at the end of my playing career did not mean I was at the end of my career. I was, you know, looking for something bigger. And now he's a fricking partner at Goldman. And it was. I will say it was kind of funny. He was holding himself in the interview, like, in a full suit and tie, but he was. You could. Like, he had a reflex where he was holding his shoulders. Like he had pads on. And he was, like, grabbing onto nothing, basically, but just like, he had pads on. It was very funny.

[D]

Yeah, I played against Justin.

[E]

Good player.

[C]

Yeah. Really. But that's such a. I think that's such a awesome move to. Especially if you're in a situation like you were in Aryan, where you don't come from this really rich background and you're giving your family this generational wealth to also have something afterwards. Like, you do this and like, music. And it's all. It's really interesting to see how people use the education that they do get outside of football.

[D]

Yeah. I was unfortunately burdened with a mind that was never satiated with anything else, but other minds who are never satiated with anything else, which leads to the field of philosophy, which there's. There's no career to philosophy.

[E]

Are your credits still good?

[D]

I. I don't even know. Could you.

[E]

Could you finish?

[D]

Probably. I mean, I'm pretty sure I'd have to retake some classes, but I think for the most part, yeah. But I have no interest in finishing for philosophy.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

My family has always pushed me to do it, but I'm like, for What? Like, I don't know.

[E]

You'd get a nice tweet. It would get. It'd get retweeted a lot. Like, UT would be like, oh, look who graduated today. And people would be like, oh, that's cool.

[C]

I mean, they just did it for Ray Rice at Rutgers.

[D]

Oh, Ray Rice, right.

[E]

I saw somebody else the other day, too.

[C]

Who's the one. Who's the one that beat up the woman in the elevator?

[E]

That is Ray Rice.

[C]

Yeah, that was that guy.

[E]

Allegedly.

[C]

Allegedly.

[E]

I only say that to cover our ass legally. I don't. I'm not in favor of him or anything.

[D]

I mean, that was. That was one of my good friends in the league. Tough situation. Not cool. Not okay.

[E]

But not the thing I would have said if I was a co star with Diddy.

[D]

But, hey, man, listen, you know, friends

[E]

with Diddy, Ray Rice, noted avid Michael Jackson defender. It's piling.

[D]

100% piling up. I go toe to toe with Annie Body that thinks Michael Jackson was guilty. Anybody? Anybody. 99.9 of the people that think he's guilty have never even looked into the allegations. But that's neither here nor there. Always. What I was gonna say.

[E]

It might be there from. From what we were hearing. Is there anyone else?

[D]

Not there? It's funny, you mentioned all the. All the defamed people I'm friends with, but you're not gonna mention all the non defamed people I'm friends with. Isn't that interesting how.

[E]

Well, that was just. I'm sure you have some won.

[D]

Why not mention them?

[E]

We've met some of them. Good people.

[D]

Didn't mention them.

[E]

Well, because we. Well, because you talked about Ray Rice, and then I was like, oh, well, did he.

[D]

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[D]

hard pivot think Hunter Biden's on Twitter?

[E]

What? Yeah, I haven't seen this.

[D]

There's a just go to at Hunter Biden and he put out a tweet yesterday that said I'm Hunter Biden. You've never actually heard from me. It's got how much impressions? It's been liked 50,000 times. A lot. And then three hours ago he teased a, a interview with Candace Owens and she, she, she tweeted it out and he, he re quote tweeted it saying she's got questions. I've got answers Thursday. That should be an interesting interview.

[E]

Yeah, I'm watching her her teaser right now.

[D]

Hunter Biden on the Real Candace Owens Show.

[E]

This screams to me a, a plea more so from Candace than Hunter.

[D]

You have my intention.

[E]

I mean this is getting her name back out there as I feel it is beginning to fade. Would you disagree?

[D]

I think the entire political. I feel like there's very few good actors in political discourse. I think there's just a few. I don't know. I don't know that there's a lot of them. I think the majority of it is maybe it started with good intentions, but the majority of it now is keeping up with what's going on and using that as a platform to keep yourself relevant. I don't think that a lot of people actually care about like the political issues that help Americans or help global politics. I'm unconvinced of that and I think she falls in that category. Why might you ask any detractor that disagrees with my statement? I would say the reason is how you have discourse. Right. It's how you engage with these topics. Is it to further divide? Is it to garner an audience or is it to actually understand these things, these nuanced topics that divide us all? I would argue that the people that are extremely divisive and have no interest in not even no interest because sometimes they'll sit down with people from the other side. But I think the majority of it is just clickbait to get your viral. But this is my, my opinion.

[E]

Yeah, I mean I don't disagree with that. It just seems like this is such an odd. I wonder who reached out to who.

[D]

That would be interesting. I'm sure they'll tell us.

[E]

Yeah, I mean I'll watch it. I guess.

[D]

I'm definitely Watching. I've kind of been checked out the political sphere for a while. I probably like a couple months, but I definitely want to tap back in for that.

[E]

You saw we had some primaries last night.

[D]

I did, and I saw what you had on the sheet.

[E]

So our boy vfl, Derek Dooley, was defeated in his Georgia Senate primary by Mike Collins. Almost came in third. He barely got second. But then the one everyone's talking about was the most expensive primary in U.S. history. House primary. Yeah.

[D]

A lot of people were talking about

[E]

this one where Thomas Massie lost his bid for reelection to Ed gallerin in the Kentucky 4th US House district.

[D]

And why this is so controversial, I believe, is because I think there's a growing sentiment in American politics that is a bipartisan thing to get aipac, which is Israel's lobby, to get them out of American politics. And Thomas Massie is reported to have no money taken from APAC and his. What do we be? Incumbent challenger.

[E]

Massey is the incumbent.

[D]

Yeah. There you go. Predecessor, then.

[E]

No, predecessor.

[D]

He.

[E]

Massey is the predecessor of this guy.

[D]

What's the other word for the. The nigga coming in. There's a good word for that. I don't know.

[C]

Elect.

[E]

Well, no, he's not elected yet. He just won the primary. Challenger? Opponent? I don't know.

[D]

Gotta be a better one. It's got to be a better one. Let me. I gotta. I gotta know. Gotta be a better one.

[E]

All the ones you're saying apply to the. The outgoing.

[D]

You're not. You're not. You're not wrong.

[E]

I'm trying to think. I don't know.

[D]

Predecessor. I don't know. His. His opponent that won has taken an alleged $15 million plus from APAC.

[E]

Successor is the word.

[D]

Successor. That's what. That's what I was. That's what I was looking for. Success has taken $15 million from APAC. And I think that's why this one particularly is so controversial. Our dude Zachary, who's on here talking about real. Real estate, he was up there campaigning against this and trying to get Massie specifically for this reason. Is he. He believes this as well. And I do, too. I think that AIPAC is staying. I think any lobbyist in general is a stain on American politics. I think it undermines democracy, and this is, to me, proof of it. This much money should not be involved in politics. Any amount of money, in my opinion. And that goes for both sides, for anybody who wants to. I don't care if Democrats are receiving, and a lot of them are, which is why I'm usually Further left than most Democrats. The reason why I don't like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and all these cats who believe that lobbying is okay, who believe that stock trading for government officials is okay. Fuck no. Get all of that shit out of politics. If you care about free elections, if you care about democracy. But here we are. And your boy just traded some stock too. Did he? Trump did the same shit.

[E]

Oh, I don't know.

[D]

Yeah, I believe he just bought stock in. Let me get my facts right.

[E]

Well, you saw what he said this morning about Israel, didn't you?

[D]

I did not. What do you say?

[E]

He said he has 99% approval over there. And so when he's done with being president, maybe he'll go run for prime minister.

[D]

Like the shit that he said when he first ran, when he said he could shoot somebody on fifth Avenue and get away with it. I am, I know that was hyperbolic. I am fully convinced that he could actually literally do that now. And his sycophantic people that support him would be like it was in self defense. I, I don't. There's nothing he could do. Everything. Not everything. A lot of the shit that they say that they're against or is even un American, unpatriotic, he does willfully and openly. It is. It's hilarious. So, yeah, he trades millions of dollars worth of Nvidia and Apple and Microsoft stock while promoting the companies.

[E]

He's got Nvidia though. That was a good buy.

[D]

This is corruption, Connor. This is clearly corruption. And it's. This isn't the first time he's done this either. Like he'll give a stock tip and then invest or buy or sell. He's been doing this shit. This is insane.

[E]

Yeah. I don't think anybody in government should be able to trade individual stocks.

[D]

J.D. vance backed it. Defend stock trading and spree Trump Financial. Come on, man. Come on, man. This is why I'm saying I don't think there's anything he could do wrong. There's nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. And this is.

[E]

Well, I mean the people who would have to. To make that illegal would be Congress. And they're all doing that. So they're never gonna.

[D]

100. I seen this interview. I am not advocating for political violence. But this was funny. I think it's a. It's a comedian.

[E]

He's about to advocate for political violence.

[D]

I'm not advocating for. But it was, it was funny. It was objectively funny. He was like. He's like. They were Just talking about democracy and stuff like that. And he was like, he's like, do you believe? He's like, he's like, I don't vote and you shouldn't either. He's like, you know, I believe in. He's like, murder all these politicians. And the dude was like, haha, that's very funny. He's like, no, I'm serious, do it. He's like, that's the only thing that will fix this. He's like, they're all in bed with each other. They're all in bed with the companies and the only way to do this is to kill them.

[E]

This was a comedian.

[D]

Yeah, he was a comedian. Yeah, yeah. He. I, I want to say he was dead serious, but I can't tell him what's in his heart. But he was. It looked as though he didn't smile, but the other dude was like, well, I'm not for that. And I'm not either. I don't, I don't think you should, you should kill people, clearly. But that was.

[E]

Thank you for that.

[D]

Well, I mean, you know, legislation, a lot of times is written in blood. Conor not saying we. I'm going to, I'm not going to. I'm not advocating for it, but people feel strongly about something that happens. We feel strongly about something that happens. That's what's. What war is. Does he actually have a 99 approval rating?

[E]

I would imagine not, but who knows? I don't. He said there was a poll. I don't know where, where, where that poll is.

[D]

There was a poll. Let's see. Trump approval rating and Israel. Trump one of the best US presidents for Israel. Majority of Israelis post say 73% of Israelis rate Trump as a better than average president of terms of Israel's interest. This is why he's lost. The far, far right to me in opinion. In my opinion, the far, far right.

[E]

That's part of it. So, so strong support, it seems.

[D]

Yep.

[E]

The. In the Thomas Massie primary, only one age group voted a majority for Ed Gallerin. The, the guy who won and that was people 65 and older. The. He had 65% of those voters. Every other age group, 18 to 29, 30 to 44, 45 to 64 were more than 50% for Thomas Massie. That's interesting, but who votes in primaries? Old people.

[D]

Old people?

[E]

Yeah, they love to vote.

[D]

Well, I think as you age, you just, you realize how important voting is when you're younger. It's like, fuck it, dog. Let's go get these. Go get These holes respectfully.

[E]

And I feel like I'm pretty tuned in. I didn't even know primaries were yesterday. I mean, we're not.

[D]

I knew it was this week. I didn't know it was yesterday. That's my fault.

[E]

Guess it makes sense that it's on the Tuesday.

[D]

I think it is designed like that, brother. Unfortunately, you would think that a country that prides itself on democracy would do everything in their power to make it easier and, and more accessible for its constituents to vote, but that is not the case.

[E]

I think you and I could agree unless you have like a remarkably extenuating circumstance or your military, whatever, one day it's a federal holiday, it's on a Friday, give you a nice three day weekend, you go, you go vote in person. It's, there's a ton of voting places one day and you go vote somewhere and that's it. And everybody's off work. The whole country. Or do a Saturday, you know, whatever. But I feel like Friday, give people a day off. Nice song.

[D]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that there has been legislation that has been proposed from the Democratic side that wanted to make it a holiday, but it was shot down. And there has been several, but I'm just looking about the specifics that I can't. I think it has been introduced at the federal level, but it gets killed. There are some Republicans, but very few, they usually don't toe the party line there, but it is kind of uniformly rejected at the federal level by the right side of the aisle. So you kind of are against the grain on there in your party.

[E]

I'd have to look into that, but I don't see why anybody would really be opposed to that. Especially if you're, if you're reducing mail in voting and things like that. You have to go in person unless you absolutely have to do a mail

[D]

in ballot, I think they say. And I think it was Mitch McConnell if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I think Mitch McConnell. Yep. He called it the Democratic Politician Protection Act. He says the framing being that higher turnout disproportionately helps Democrats. So making it easier is a partisan power grab. And that's kind of the party line there, which I don't think he's wrong there, but I think he's telling on himself. He's saying if we do do this, if we make voting even that will affect the voting outcome in a positive for Democrats. Which explains a lot of the reasons

[E]

why I do think he's wrong. But either way, I don't, I don't care.

[D]

You know, I, I mean, there's. There was that like. So, like, if I go to try to vote in my neighborhood, right, which is a predominantly white neighborhood, I can get in that. This is the presidential election, right. I can get in that there in 10, 15 minutes, easy. But if I go to, like the inner city in Houston, I'd have to wait like six, seven hours to vote, right? And the overwhelming. Not over, but the majority of, I guess people that are in more financial harsheries are minorities and they're less inclined to stand longer lines to vote. I think that's his thinking as well, which is why they pass laws in Texas to where it's like, if you, if you pass out water bottles to people standing in line, that's against. That's against the law. Which is like, explain the rationale in that. You know what I mean? Like, if people are thirsty, stand in line. But it's, but it's clear because, I mean, they say it. I think, I think it does help. It would help.

[E]

If I recall correctly, the consternation about that was it can't be given out by people who work for a campaign, but there's within a certain distance from the polling place. But there's no law against like, giving people water as long as you're not associated with one of the parties.

[D]

So if you. So if you're a Democrat standing in line waiting to vote. I was going to vote Republican, but dog, this man gave me a bottle.

[E]

I don't. I'm just.

[D]

I.

[E]

And I'm telling you what it is.

[D]

No Biden for me because of water.

[E]

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[D]

I wanna. What is this? Oz the Mentalist exposed.

[E]

So we have an interesting perspective on O's the Mentalist because we've met him

[D]

and I've missed that episode.

[E]

Yeah. Wait, you weren't on it at all?

[D]

No, I wasn't on. I had.

[E]

I was doing something battle. And were you on the show yet?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay, so Pablo Torre did an episode of his podcast talking about O's the Mentalist.

[D]

O's is not Oz.

[E]

Yeah, it's O's.

[D]

He already lost me. Why is it O's?

[E]

I don't know. And so he showed several clips where

[D]

actually hate that he had.

[E]

He had another guy on helping to explain some of the stuff that O's does. And like, he seems to be correct in what they're asserting in some of the. One of the clips is. Is Will Compton. And they show how Will may have actually mistyped something in his phone that made the trick, like, kind of not work because he put the wrong name. And so I think the assertion was Oz is working behind the scenes with all these people to, you know, he. And maybe I'm wrong. I don't think anybody was under the impression that this guy can actually just like read minds. Right, that's right.

[D]

That's what I'm confused about.

[E]

He's a magician. Obviously he's doing tricks. But all I can tell you is, is my experience with OS because. Because now everybody has taken that and been like, see, I knew it. They're working backstage and doing all this stuff. All I can tell you is what he did with us in studio. Having never met the guy before, never spoken to him, and he. He did tricks that. I was like, I don't know how you did that. And he. And he even says if you go back and listen to the episode, he's like, big T. I can tell he's a skeptic. He really doesn't think I can get him. And all I can tell you from what he did with me was, man, I. This was been years now. I'd have to go back and watch it. But he handed me a piece of paper and he was like, write the name of one of your friends or somebody that I wouldn't know on this piece of paper. And on the thing, there was a black box drawn in the middle of it. And he was like, write it in this box. So I was. I didn't know what that. Obviously that had something to do with it. So I considered writing it outside the box just to see what would happen. But I didn't. I wrote it in the box and then he ripped up the piece of paper or something. I. Again, I'd have to go back and watch the whole thing. But he got. He knew, like, the name of my friend and his birthday and that. But he. So that trick, I understand somehow something happened with. When I wrote on the piece of paper. He saw it somehow, whatever. He did a trick with Avery where Avery opened a book to a random page and Oz was like, all right, pick the 14th word on that page. And he, like, knew the word. And I was. I don't know how the hell he did that because Avery could have opened to any page on there. And then he did something with pft. I forget what it was, but all I can tell you in my personal experience is the guy did tricks. They were cool. I don't know how he did them. I didn't talk to him before or after that. That was the extent that I had. It seems that in some others, maybe there's a greater exchange of information prior. I don't know.

[D]

But it reminds me of, like, adults that go to, like, a state fair and see, like, magicians or clowns or whatever the case may be. And they'll be like, no, the. There's a rope on there. Or like, there's a string. I see the string. Like, what do you think magic really is out here?

[E]

Like, yeah, he is good.

[D]

Like, yeah, yeah, he's good. Chris Angel, David Blaine, bro, they're illusionists. Magic is not real. Spoiler alert. Magic ain't real, dog. It's not. This is. This don't exist in our world, in our universe. I wish it did. That would be lit. But like, I don't like. I remember inviting a magician to my kid's house for my kids. I was my house for my kids birthday party and they were just enthralled and there was a couple tricks. I was like, ain't no way they fell for that. But I'm like letting the kids enjoy the day. I'm not gonna call them out. Why I don't think magic exists. I know magic don't exist. Who was it? Randy or get his name.

[E]

Travis Jackson?

[D]

Nope, nope.

[E]

Randy. Randy.

[D]

He was a little man that, that exposed mediums and psychics. I forget his name. Randy something.

[E]

I'm not familiar with this guy's work,

[D]

but anywho, so he, he used to be a magician and so, you know, he knows all the tricks and he knows like there's a way to do anything. Like it's sleight of hand stuff. It's you know, preemptive responses or, you know, concocted a cold reading. There's, there's ways to like dig and figure out information about people or it's like pre planning, whatever. But he took it and he made it his life goal to expose psychics and mediums specifically because like he was like, this is unethical. He think like mediums who, people who claim that they could talk to the other side, talk to the dead. People are preying on people that are actually affected and hurt and grieving and you're preying on them. And he just, he just found it abhorrent. And so he made it, he made it his, he made his life's mission to expose them. And he had an open million dollar bet. He said, if you can prove to me that your powers are real under these set of certain circumstances, then you can have a million dollars. And he would set it up in a way that's like you, you. They can't use their tricks on him. And so, and, and nobody ever met the, the standard obviously, because that ain't real either. I know a lot of good people who are smart that believe mediums can talk to the dead. Like, do you. What do you feel about that? You think people can talk to the dead?

[E]

No.

[D]

Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. No, I agree. No, and I think the mediums are. I think you're a big piece of. If you're, if you're a magician, I think you're cool as hell. That's that's fire to me, dog. Whatever. Like, get the card trick, do the whoop, whoop, whatever. But if you sitting here telling somebody who's lost a loved one that I can communicate with them and then express what they're feeling toward. Oh, backhand treatment every time out of here, that is disgusting to me. But anyway, what is the point of trying to expose an illusionist?

[E]

Yeah, I don't get that either. Apparently, from what I understand, like, a lot of other magicians might not like him and they don't like cutting.

[D]

That makes sense. Cutting. Cutting out of the business. Cutting into the business.

[E]

But, yeah, I, you know, doing an expose on a magician, like, okay, I think it was kind of like an ethical thing. Like. Like, they're saying some of the stuff he does is unethical. Which, like, all right, I guess. But, like, yeah, I don't think anyone with a functioning brain is like, oh, darn, my favorite mentalist O's has been exposed.

[D]

There was a show I used to watch when I was a little kid that it was on Fox, and it was like he was exposing magician secrets.

[E]

Was it the guy with the weird face?

[D]

He had a mask. Yeah, Yeah, I loved that show. I love that show because I used to be in the magic. Like, I wanted to know how to do it. I never thought it was real, but, like, I wanted to know how to do it. And he had, like a. He exposed a lot of tricks, and I remember magicians being mad at him for that. I remember there being a lot of, like, hoopla about him exposing the whatever. But I don't know. I don't go to a magic show and expect to see real magic. I want to be fooled. I want to be tricked. Like, dang cutting, dang cutting in half. What? Are you serious, dog? Yeah, it's crazy.

[E]

That came on like. Like, maybe VH1 for me or something.

[D]

Ah, yeah. I saw prime time tv, baby.

[E]

That was a Fox show.

[D]

I think originally it was on Fox. Maddie fact checked it for me. I believe so, though.

[C]

What was the name of it?

[D]

We don't know.

[E]

We don't know. It was a guy in, like, a zebra mask.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

And he would.

[D]

Tiger. I would say tiger.

[E]

Yeah, but it was black and white, right?

[D]

It was like a black and white mask. He had no, he had a. His hair cover, so he'd have any hair. He had gloves on and he would

[E]

show how they did, like, basic.

[C]

Oh, I remember this show now, too.

[D]

What was it called?

[C]

Hold on, I gotta find it. But I remember what you're talking about the funniest one.

[D]

What I remember watching when I was a kid was he showed the illusion of how the big ones get. They make a car or he made a tank disappear.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Before he told me what it was, I was like, bro, clearly they just moved the camera.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Or the car out of the way.

[C]

Magic's biggest secrets finally revealed is what

[E]

it says on here.

[D]

That's the one. That's the one.

[C]

And are you asking what channel it was on?

[D]

Yeah. What channel did it. Did it premiere on? I believe it was Fox. My memory serves me correctly. Hold on one second. Either Fox or, like, I'm trying. Maybe. Maybe a upn. That seems like kind of vibe.

[C]

Oh, who?

[D]

Upn.

[C]

What's that?

[D]

I don't know. Upn.

[E]

Was that a channel? It was a channel that was like a. Like a public access thing, right?

[D]

Yeah, Yeah, I think so. Was it upn?

[E]

I think. I think that's like a. Like a cw, Warner Brothers type thing.

[D]

Yeah, some like that. Yeah, I believe so. I never. There's. There's a pbs Fox. Look at that. Cte. Who. You Big T. You know what I mean?

[E]

No, I was just. I. I didn't know that was a network show. It doesn't seem like.

[D]

I wasn't saying you. I'm saying.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Just in general.

[E]

Like, your memory still. Still kicking.

[C]

It's on Netflix now.

[D]

All right. Magicians are dope. Stop trying to figure them out. Yo.

[E]

I don't mind figuring them out. Just don't, you know, understand its magic part of it.

[D]

It's like. It is. It's.

[E]

You got to know that the stripper doesn't like you. You know. You know what you're going for.

[D]

I was gonna make a less. A less funny one. Yeah, we'll go with that one. I was gonna say wrestling.

[E]

Sure.

[D]

No, you know, it's not real, but it's fun to, you know. Not for me, but I'm sure, you know, people, soap operas.

[E]

I actually was. As a child, I was. I would vehemently argue with anyone who tried to tell me wrestling wasn't real. I'd get mad about it.

[D]

There's people.

[E]

But then I'd stop. But then I was no longer a child, you know?

[D]

Yeah, exactly. Kids now, like, I believe in magic, and that's important to them. Like, you know what I'm saying? Santa Claus. I'm an atheist. Christmas is not significant to me other than what I've made it to be, which is significant. But when my kids. I never told them Santa wasn't real. Let them believe it. Who cares? It's important to them. Matters to them. Next thing you're going to tell me passes the line. Big T. Get out of here. It's not going to happen.

[E]

Stop.

[D]

Important man.

[E]

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[D]

What is this Google story you got me on?

[E]

So Google is attempting to I think as soon as this week from what I read, they are trying to transition away from the Google search that they've had for 30 years into like almost a fully AI type thing. With the revamped search experience, the new search box simply expands to accommodate longer, more conversational queries rather than making you decide what type of search experience or mode you want to choose at the start of your query. It will also have a new AI powered query suggestion system that goes beyond autocomplete to help people craft more complex and nuanced queries, Google says. Google's AI overviews will also allow users to ask follow up questions in AI mode beginning Tuesday. So it seems they are trying to move more fully toward the AI companion thing it gives you when you Google something now instead of just giving you links to websites which people are saying will hurt smaller websites who obviously rely on SEO and Google to drive traffic to them

[D]

if you've cornered the market. I'm struggling to understand the reasoning for this because to me it kind of waters down AI in general then and correct me if I'm wrong If I'm off base here, like what makes AI powerful is it can scour through all of these different links and websites. I guess it will still be able to, but I would assume that Google is like a huge aggregate of these things. And if that's no longer the case, what's it basically wants to be a chat GPT or a Claude or whatever.

[E]

Right.

[D]

A grok which scours major aggregates of clips, news sources, websites. And it's saying it doesn't really want to do that anymore, it just wants to become another AI.

[E]

I think a lot of these companies see the whole AI ecosystem as the future of not only their businesses but the economy and they're trying everything they can to harness that in whatever form that takes. So for Google, like there was a story that came out recently, Amazon is requiring that all employees like utilize AI in some fashion. So a lot of them are just making up fake stuff for their AI like profile to do to show their bosses like look, I'm using it. So I think all these, these companies don't exactly know what they want to use it for yet. They just know they want to use it. Well, this is why they're a hammer looking for a nail.

[D]

Well, I think it's a little deeper than that actually. I think so. I'm real good friends with a corporate lawyer that works for Amazon and they were telling me that exactly that they're kind of mandated to use, they use Claude and some kind of, they have to be very up to date on the newest AI technology and its inner workings. And what she, she was basically explaining and what she was like, yeah, they're, they're, they're doing it to collect data from us how, how we work workflow, all these different variable inputs to what makes their job them successful at their job. And she's like to eventually replace us. And I was like you, you just said that all willy nilly like it's not, she's like, it is what it is like, but that's what I see what's happening. She was like, I think they're going to eventually try to replace this. And this is what I see. And it's what I see for all these companies and why it's never really been a free market. You have access to all this data which is, and I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here but like you have access to all this data that has been collected from consumers, buyers, sellers, the entire market, trends, whatever. So you have a cheat sheet about what's going to happen in the next wave of things in the next anything that is about to take place in this economy. And I think that's what they're doing. They're just, they're just using to collect more data, user patterns, all of these things to find better ways to sell shit to you. I think, I think that's what the ultimate goal is, is to just a consumerism hellscape.

[E]

I think that's certainly part of it. But if you're a company like Google, particularly as it relates to the search function, their, their original purpose now they're, you know, $3 trillion company or whatever, but they don't make more or less money I assume from like, you know, if it's their AI or if you search something and they give you the links to the websites. I would imagine I don't know that, but it seems like this is just, okay, let's see what we can do with this, you know, and how well it's going to work.

[D]

That could be a case. But so like when I, when I think of like a cloud or ChatGPT, people develop intimate relationships with them, like deep relationships. And to me as a multi billion trillion dollar company, I look at that as prime pickings for how the psychology of a consumer works. And I could be wrong about this, but this is, I just feel every major company doesn't actually care about people and they care about how we can extract wealth from them via exchange of goods and services. So I don't, I don't even view it as like them just trying to like keep up with the Joneses. I maybe like again this is, I'm going off into Aryan world. Maybe this is just another way because I would assume like my, the Claude, I use Claude a lot, that it knows me more intimate, intimately than my Google search history does. Even though I've used Google search history a Google search longer than I have like a Claude, the amount of time and the way I probe it and the way I've crafted it, it probably knows my spending patterns and economic behavior better than Google does, which I think is the ultimate goal. And I could be wrong about that, but that's just in my heart of hearts I feel like that's all this shit is about, is about how to, how to aggregate consumer spending patterns. I don't know, I could be wrong about that, but I just don't see a, I don't see the point of it. You have a market cornered. You are forever embedded in humanity's lexicon about how to search for shit.

[E]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think it serves like a massive business purpose. I think. I think every company out there is just trying to see what all can we use this for?

[D]

And I. You have probably one of the most successful businesses in human history and you want to alter its DNA to test what happened.

[E]

There's something that people hate, by the way.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. I find it hard to believe. What makes most sense to me is they have found value in it in the back end. Like, okay, we see what Gemini does, right? Because they have Gemini. Okay, we've beta tested Gemini. Gemini gets our consumer. This is what I'm spitballing. But Gemini gets our consumers. We get to know them way better and way deeper than if they just type in what's the nearest restaurant? Because if I do it on a chatgpt or Claude, it's like, what's the nurse restaurant suited to my likes? And you get to go deeper. That's. That's what I feel. I just don't find it as. As blank as. We're just trying to see what. What's popping with this. I. I don't know.

[E]

Yeah, I'm sure there's. There's a deeper thing to it than that, but Google's worked fine for 30 years.

[D]

Yeah, man, we used to. We used to Dog pile stuff. You weren't around for those days. Dog Pile. Sgs.

[E]

Dog Pile.

[D]

Dog Pile was a search engine.

[E]

This is the first I've ever heard of that. I know Jeeves and Yahoo And Yahoo was1ask.com. Or was that just. Was that what Jeeves turned into Dogpow? No, because it was. There was Ask Jeeves and then there was just ask Dot com. I think that may have been Ask Jeeves.

[D]

Could be. Yeah. Could be. Yeah. But I grew up. Dog Pile was actually my. My go to. Like, it wasn't even Google. I used to use Dog Pile all the time.

[E]

Really?

[D]

Yeah. He's dogpower a lot. Back in the message boards days, bro. The message board. That was an era. You missed that era.

[E]

It still is. If you're a college football fan, that

[D]

shit is still cracking like that.

[E]

Oh, buddy. There are. There are people who have been on the message board since the time you're talking about and they have 962,000 lifetime posts and they.

[D]

Oh, geez.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Status. Oh, yeah, that Buddy, you knew here. I've been here.

[E]

Yeah, but message board. I think college football is keeping message boards alive for the most part. I guess you could classify Reddit as kind of a Message board deal.

[D]

I mean, I mean, it was like the first social media, really, right? Yeah, because it's like a little subset of, you know, Twitter has communities or Facebook ads. I'm pretty sure I haven't had Facebook years, but, like, has communities and little threads that you can go back and forth on. Fan pages, whatever. It's like the first. That's like the first version of it. Like, we all have this common interest.

[E]

Were you on aim?

[D]

I was on aim.

[E]

What was your AIM screen name?

[D]

Memoirs of the Sun.

[E]

Oh, interesting.

[D]

That was my, like, when I was little, all the way up until I was. That was my last Call of Duty name too.

[E]

Really?

[D]

Yeah. Memoirs of the Sun. This was. This was Modern Warfare 2 days. Yeah.

[E]

Great game.

[D]

Yeah. If Black Ops 3, they lost me.

[E]

Yeah. I haven't played Call of Duty in a few years. It's just. I mean, how many black ops can there be? You know, they're on six or seven now. No pun intended. They really are. It's like Black Ops 6, I swear.

[D]

No, I'm just letting you know. How many black ops could there be? I'm like, plenty, man.

[E]

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[D]

all right, so we get to the. Our main topic. I was a little hesitant on doing this, but you wanted to dispel some things and talk about this.

[E]

And I'm like, that's a great lead in. Arian. Tell the audience that you're not excited to talk about our topic today. That's always what. That's what they teach you to do. First day of podcasting school.

[D]

My dear Macadosians, there's no way you think that these. This is year five of this podcast, right?

[E]

Six.

[D]

Six. This is year six.

[E]

Yeah, we've. We've gone past five years. We're in.

[D]

Oh, my God. Okay, so we're in year six of this podcast, we're all different human beings. When topics are thrown out, some people are more excited about these topics than others. And that's just how. How you.

[E]

I think this is hot in the streets right now, and I think. I think people need to hear about it, which.

[D]

Which is why I was inclined to like, I want to hear your take. I mean, I. I definitely have a take, but I'm gonna let you lead the way. We're talking about data centers for AI companies. And if you want to, I guess, give the rundown, give the background, and then we could just, you know, duke it out.

[E]

Yeah. So I was. I was intrigued by this because I can't go on Twitter now on my for you page, without just seeing. It's nothing but data center talk. I don't know what I've done to garner that kind of stuff from x dot com, but that's all it thinks I want to hear. So I see a lot of these takes about data centers, and it's. It's. It all struck me as very alarmist. And I'm not an AI, you know, guy. I think I'm. It's a weird topic for me because I'm not. I'm definitely not in favor of the AI revolution that seems to be occurring. But then I see all this talk of the data centers and how they're gonna. We're gonna have no clean drinking water in 15 years because of the data centers. I'm like, that strikes me as probably untrue. So I just wanted to look into it a little more. And I would say after doing that, that I think I was right for the most part in. In those hypotheses. So these data centers are popping up all over the place because as these AI companies expand, they need servers and stuff to run. And we've had thousands of data centers for years. Like, that's how the Internet works. That's how, you know, there's farms of data centers all over the place. I think 40% of Americans live within five miles or so of a data center. And I'm sure most people don't even know that they do. But now that it's an AI thing, people are catastrophizing it and, you know, making it seem like it's this huge thing. So I looked into it, and the thing you hear about is the water that they use so much water, we're not going to have any water left. It's killing the planet. So I did a little research. Aryan data centers for both power and cooling use about 170 billion gallons of water a year. So let's even say as they're. They're rapidly expanding and they're building more. Let's say they do five times that and they get to a trillion gallons a year. Right. Currently, the 170 is less than half of 1% of the US freshwater usage. Negligible golf courses in the United States use a trillion gallons a year. I don't think we're stopping that anytime soon. Almond production in the United States. This is. I'm fascinated by almonds. We might need to do an episode on almonds because apparently they kill all the bees, too.

[D]

Almonds do?

[E]

Yeah. Because that's the thing when. When vegans are always talk about how unethical eating meat and stuff is. The retort from some people is that almond production kills, like, some insane amount of bees. I don't know why that is, but it does. Almond production in the United States uses 1.7 trillion gallons of water a year. So double that of golf courses 100 or so times that of data centers and lawn maintenance in the United States. 3.3 trillion gallons of fresh water a year. So in the grand scheme of things, even if there are 10 times the amount of data centers there are right now, the water is going to be fine. I think what a lot of the consternation is is that people don't like AI, which I'm with, and it's why I'm. I'm not trying to lick the boots of the data center people, but it just seemed like a lot of the stuff people were talking about was a little alarmist. But I think they don't like AI. They don't want to live next to them, which is fair enough. I don't want to live next to any, you know, power plant or tire plant or anything like that. And I think they're using that to, you know, they're trying to come up with everything they can to be like, we can't build any data centers. There's. I think Kevin o' Leary is trying to build a gigantic one in Utah in the middle of nowhere. And it's like, on 44,000 acres, I think, and the population is revolting. It's in the middle of, like, a valley where nobody lives. There's nothing out there. They're purchasing all the water rights. They're going to have, like, their own water supply, their own electrical supply, like, everything. And people are still going nuts about it. And it's like that kind of seems like where they should BE is out in the middle of nowhere where nobody lives, but people don't even want that. So I actually saw this morning, St. Charles, Missouri, which is where my dad's from, they have banned data centers in the town. I don't know where they were gonna put one. I've been to St. Charles dozens of times. I don't know of many places that one would have gone, but they have banned them. So congrats to St. Chuck. But yeah, it's just. Per 5 gallons of water usage, data centers generate $132 in gross domestic product. Almond production generates 2 cents per 5 gallons. So it actually seems like kind of an okay use of water and stuff to like, you know, it's. It's helping the economy whether you're. You're down with what it's doing or not. It's a different conversation. But

[D]

so just in my little small bit of research, I think. I don't think the argument is that. I don't think it's the. The water usage per se. I think that is a part of it. But like you said, when you compare it to golf courses or almond usages, I mean, almond production, it's not. It's not as bad. But I think the. The issue is like, where. And what I'm seeing is it's where these things are being located. So if it's. If it's away and it's by small towns like that, water gets depleted for those small towns, which is problematic.

[E]

But it's. But that's not true. The whole water thing comes from a book called Empire of AI by a woman named Karen Howe. And she detailed a data center in Chile. And she said it consumed a thousand times the water supply of the population of the town. And it turns out her calculations were off by a factor of 1000. And so it was the equivalent of the town. And she had to apologize and say that they made a. The terrible error in their calculations. And then people still run with that, like, that data somehow.

[D]

I think there are plenty of. Or plenty of. There are cases like that where maybe they were, you know, mistaken on the. The reading of the data stuff. But there are cases of small towns where their water has been depleted. Like this is. This is document Chester County, Pennsylvania. Newton County, Georgia, I think was one.

[E]

Okay, so I don't know Newton County, I think that's like Covington. So I don't know if that's the same one there. There was a story recently. I think it's Fayetteville, Georgia, and the town was freaking out because they claimed that this company got $30 million worth of water that they didn't have to pay for or something. And there was a drought going on and what actually happened was the county was redoing all of its meters and they were switching it from like an old system to a new system. And they missed one that the data center was part of. And then as soon as they found it, the place paid all of it and it was totally fine. But that somehow turned into a story that the data center was robbing the town of all its water. And like that didn't happen at all. So just in, in what I, what I looked up, it seems that a lot of this stuff is blown out of proportion. But again, I don't love, like, I don't want, I don't want the entire country turning into it like an AI data center on every corner.

[D]

But I think that's, I think that's where we're headed and that's why. So like I, again, I haven't done enough research to sit here and combat and refute every single one of these claims. But just from what I've just brought up, there are towns that have been depleted of water. But even, even if that's the case, there's like a whole legal aspect to it where there's towns not able to combat a Google or OpenAI or whatever the case may be in court to fight these kind of things anyway. And so you're just basically at the mercy of companies saying this is okay. And so, and not, not to mention there are people who are physically affected by this. Like, they saying that if, if they're, if they're in or around neighborhoods or communities, that they're loud, you know, having trouble sleeping, stuff like that, that's, that's something to be considered too. I mean, again, I'm not advocating, I'm just saying what the retort to it is. And this is somebody who uses AI almost on a daily basis. But I.

[E]

You're big, huh? You're big on AI.

[D]

I mean, it's the future. I make it a point and a point to my kids that you have to keep up with technology or else it'll pass you by. And I think you're, you're sitting duck if you, if you're not in the know about our technological advances in society, the scams people can lay on you using, using higher technology than you're aware of. Like, it's just you, you have to keep abreast of it. But I, I don't know enough about it to. To refute any of your claims. But I'm. I'm always skeptical when major corporations are saying something is good for the environment in general. So I. I'll do a little bit.

[E]

If the, if the. If the problem with it is, like, we don't want them in small communities and, like, taking 100%, nobody wants that. But, like, the. There seems to be a bunch of consternation about the Kevin o' Leary one that's out in the middle of the desert in Utah, and that seems like where we should be building them. So they're gonna go somewhere. So I think we need to figure out where that can be and how we can minimize their effects. But I think the whole, like, I think there's a lot of hand wringing that isn't necessarily true. So I think we need to. We need to come together and be like, let's. We can build these in a sensible location with, you know. Also, I saw somebody had a great idea, like, if you want to build a data center somewhere, you have to build a park and basketball courts and something like, down the road. Like, I think that's great. Just figure it out. But. But

[D]

I agree. I would be. That would be a dope compromise. But it's. It's funny that it. Billionaires want to put data centers in, and you have to kind of like, trick them into doing it. I throw the people a bone to help them out, and they're like, I. It. You know, give him a playground.

[E]

I mean, I think that'd be great. It's better than nothing.

[D]

They should be doing that anyway. Dog billionaires are hilarious to me. I see this video of some lady, and she was like, billionaires are psycho. Some of them are like, psycho. Like, a billion dollars is an insane amount of money. And she's like, you have everything anybody could ever want in the history of the human existence, but you also want our attention and our love. You want to go on podcasts and say how cool you are and go to MET galas and, like, what. That is psychotic behavior, though. Like, you. You want to be loved, too, by the public. Big T. If I was a billionaire, respectfully, I wouldn't be here, though.

[E]

Well, so that's. Yeah. So this is. I think, again, my hypothesis was correct. How many billionaires would you guess there are? Because I was going to say, I think what you're describing, I think the real richest people in the world, you'd never know.

[D]

Yeah, there's not a whole. About 300, 400, maybe 3,400. God damn.

[E]

The people that's. And that's what I was. The people that are actually rich. You don't know. You could walk right by them on the street, you'd never know. I think the billionaires that are, you know, the Mark Cubans and the Kevin o' Leary and those people of the world, I think they're few and far between.

[D]

Psycho. Still psychos.

[E]

I would want to own the Atlanta Braves, but outside of that, I wouldn't care to.

[D]

You know, I don't know, man. You know. You know who I would turn into if I was a billionaire?

[E]

Big T. Who's that?

[D]

Jesus Christ. I would be feeding the fuck out of people. I would be dumping all my resources into people helping people.

[E]

That would be great. I don't know that you would transform into Jesus, but I think your ideals are good. Sure.

[D]

I wouldn't transform into Jesus, though.

[E]

You said you would turn into Jesus.

[D]

I know. I said. You know who I would be? I'll be Jesus Christ. I would do nothing but help sick people, poor people, hungry people. That's all I would do.

[E]

I hope that would be the case. Collectively, the 3,400 billionaires in the world hold a historic net worth of $20.1 trillion.

[D]

That is hilarious to me.

[E]

Though that's actually less than I would have anticipated. Right? Because that's only.

[D]

How much is. How much is that of the total global net worth of humans?

[E]

I mean, I don't know if that includes businesses or not. Total household wealth globally is between 450 and 500 trillion. So that is what? 5%?

[D]

Wait, billionaires hold 5% of the of the world's total net worth?

[E]

That's what I'm seeing, yes.

[D]

Cannot be the case, no.

[E]

Some estimates reaching up to 600 trillion. So then it would be like three and a half percent. What, you don't like that? You want them to have more?

[D]

No. Hell no.

[E]

All right, then why are you mad?

[D]

I, I, I, I. I've heard and read numbers different than that. That could be the case.

[E]

This says the top 1% controls nearly half of the world's wealth. But 1%'s going to include way more than 3,400 people. You're in the 1%.

[D]

Yeah, agreed. But again, hold on.

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[D]

But compare. Compare my wealth to a Jeff Bezos.

[E]

Well, that's what I'm saying. The 1% encompasses a lot of people. It's one out of every hundred.

[D]

So. Okay, do that. Do the. Do the 1% global.

[E]

This says nearly half.

[D]

That's more of the numbers I've heard.

[E]

That's you.

[D]

It is me. But. But again, this is. This is where billionaires trick you, though. This is where billionaires trigger my net worth compared to their net worth and how I attained it also. Right. This goes into more economic theory, but how I attained it is not how they attained it. I didn't. I didn't obtain my wealth by exploiting workers. I was a worker. Does that make sense? Who did I exploit obtaining my. My wealth?

[E]

I mean, if. If you're gonna use the same argument that you're gonna use for a lot of billionaires, you could say a lot of people. Oh, the. The concession workers in the stadium.

[D]

That's not. I don't. I don't own that. I don't own any part of that.

[E]

Okay, but like, if that's.

[A]

That.

[D]

That is. That is what, like, Marxism is. It's the ownership of means of production. I don't have ownership in that. The. The. The owners of the company. Divvy.

[E]

But you didn't have to. You didn't have to put up any capital to. To get your job either.

[D]

Clearly. But that's not. That's what I'm saying. That's. You're pivoting. That's not the argument. The argument isn't.

[E]

Well, the reason they own it is because they. They paid to. To take the risk to start it.

[D]

Sure, but that. That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

[E]

Sure it does.

[D]

You don't. You don't have. No, because you can. You can put up all the capital you want to start it. It does not. It is not sustainable without the concession stands, workers, without the players, without the. Without the people that actually make the business go. So we're not saying that you shouldn't be rewarded for your business idea and your risk for starting a company. We're saying that it don't work without further exploitation.

[E]

So then what, and we're getting, we're getting way off track. But just what's the, what is the cutoff? That. So Jeff Bezos starts a trillion dollar company, right? What's the, and by the way, he does, I don't know what his net worth is.100 billion. Whatever it is, he doesn't, he obviously doesn't have that in cash, like which I think a lot of people get misconstrued, but whatever, like what's the cutoff then? What can he earn?

[D]

That, that, that's, that's up to him. And it's contingent on each individual company. But there are plenty of examples of companies that run their business ethically. So there's, there's smaller businesses, there's larger businesses. Ocean Spray is one. Ocean Spray is a socialist company where they're a worker co op, where they all own the means of production, all individual farmers on the means of production. They all collectively make decisions. There's, there's plenty of large companies, small companies that do the same thing. But what people complain about is somebody like Jeff Bezos. You have people striking an Amazon for healthcare reasons, pay reasons, work conditions, stuff like that. When you have yachts and jets and all of this shit, that's what people are complaining about. But, but this is, this is the trick that billionaires pull on people is they say, well, look at the millionaires. They're the same. We're not. I'm not, I'm not the same. Any, Anybody look at this podcast, for example, anytime I have an opportunity to pay people fairly for their wages, I do. And I think, I think, I think you work at Amazon, you should have a livable wage. I don't think that's even a controversial take.

[E]

We actually should. He had an interview that came out, I think this morning with CNBC that I've seen people tweet about and say it's very good. And so we should watch that and talk about it next week because from what I see, he talked about like, yeah, I want all my workers to have health care and this kind of stuff. But then he talked about, from what I understand, and we should probably go watch old thing. But he said like, I'm down with billionaires paying more taxes, but it doesn't solve anything when the federal government is just going to spend it recklessly and it's not going to actually solve any problems.

[D]

So I wouldn't, I don't disagree with that statement, but I think the sleight of hand there is. You are one of the billionaires that constantly lobby for lower taxes. He was a huge proponent of Trump. Trump lowered taxes for the higher class. So if you're going to one hand say, I don't mind if we pay higher taxes, you wouldn't lobby and pay money to see that your political agenda is pushed. That to me, that's the sleight of hand and where they'll always say that shit.

[E]

So he said, quote, we don't have a revenue problem in this country. We already have the most progressive tax system in the world. The top 1% of taxpayers pay 40% of all taxes. The bottom 50% pay 3%. We have a spending problem. And then he said, if I do my job right, the value to society from my companies will be much larger than the good I do through charitable giving. And then in response to aoc, who said, you can't earn a billion dollars recently, he said, the way you make a billion dollars is you create a service that people love. And if millions of people choose your service, you're going to end up with a billion dollars.

[D]

He's making a. Yeah, he's making a capitalistic argument. It's ridiculous. But he's looking at it from a ownership standpoint. He's not looking at it from an Amazon truck driver standpoint or a warehouse worker standpoint where none of that works without them. It doesn't, it can't. It will not survive. Jeff Bezos is not going to give you all of these packages delivered to your doorstep alone. So you need workers. And they're just arguing, give them livable wages, health care, all of these things. And we would argue a portion of the means of production. But I think the con that this country has pulled over people's eyes the most is to protect the wealthiest people that continuously them over. And I get put in that category. And the argument I hear most is partly why I got off Twitter, because I get tired of looking at that. But people like, well, you could just give all your money away. That's just the silliest argument in the world. It's just silly because that won't change. That won't systemically change anything. If Aaron gives all his wealth away, then I'll just be broke and I'll have to go back to work and I'll be repeating the cycle. And I am, I, I exist in this system, but I do my best to try to change this system. And I did that on purpose because I believe that everybody should have a fair share and working livable wage. If y' all are doing all the work that we are, why shouldn't you? I feel like that's. That's not an unreasonable ask. There's this company I came across on Instagram. It's a soap company. And she's like, we're a communist company. Like, top to bottom, she's like, I don't make a penny more than any of my workers. And she runs it like that. She runs. Everybody owns part of the business. They all make decisions and they're doing really good. And to me, that's. I don't think you view that as, like, morally, I guess, any. Any more or less moral than any, like, business owner. And I think that's. That's. That's, like, probably the biggest divide in our politics, which. It's neither here nor there.

[E]

Well, that. That also. So that depends on several things. But, like, so Amazon has 1.5 million employees. Okay, so when you say everyone gets a me a part of the means of production, what does that mean? They all get stock or they all get, like, a dividend check? Like, some.

[D]

Some of them. Some of them do get stock. So it, like, I would have to sit down and go over all of the numbers, right? But I'm almost positive they don't get, like, they don't get. They get compensated, they get working wages, but they don't own any part of the company. They don't make any. Any. Any decisions. I'm not saying every single Amazon employee should make decisions, right? But there's a. There's also a big reason why major corporations don't like unions, because unions make sure that people get the wages that they want, fair working conditions, health care, all of these things that, in my opinion, is essential to a happy society, comfortable society. Again, anytime I hear this argument, it just blows my mind that it's not even. I don't know how people argue against it. I do understand. It's like, people off. I had a conversation with my homeboy one day. He's like, I'm gonna be a millionaire. I'm like, you probably won't. And it's nothing to do with his work ethic. Has nothing to do with kind of the cloth he's cut from. I think he's a hardworking dude, good dude, solid dude, has a good product. I said, but in order that have so many things have to fall into place and so many things have to happen in order for you to get that, that's just not likely. I said, I hope I'll do everything in my power to help you, but I just, it's just not likely. Like it's a pipe dream and I think the more this society goes on, the more and more it's happening. The wealth wage gap is growing and so I don't know. Let me get off my soapbox. What do I know? Oh, shout out to Bezos though.

[E]

So the data centers, how did we get there? Oh, well, we were the AI companies and all that.

[D]

Yeah, they're gonna, they're gonna do what they want.

[E]

Yeah. I think in terms of the data centers, I think we both agree, like nobody wants them popping up in every town in America.

[D]

I think it's inevitable though, it's gonna happen.

[E]

I mean, from what I. My rudimentary knowledge, you don't need now again, we've never seen companies like Anthropic and OpenAI and all these. We don't know what they're going to turn into. But like we have the entire government run on data centers that are already in the United States and I don't know that I've ever seen one. So I feel like we can probably get away with it not being remarkably intrusive, but I don't know.

[B]

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[D]

We need younger motherfuckers in Congress. Younger motherfuckers in Congress that will work.

[E]

How young?

[D]

That's a good question.

[E]

I think, I think I said on this show recently, 40 to 70. I think that's how, how old you should be to be able to serve in the government.

[D]

I think 70, you gotta get up out of there. I think 65, you done.

[E]

All right.

[D]

Not saying that. I got, I got, I got, I got parents that are in a, in the latter part of 65, still got all they wits, still whatever. But like, nah, I had to teach my pops how to, how to work AI and he's like, he's like, he's like poking it with a stick. Like he'll, he'll with it and he'll like, you know, For a few days, not touch it because I gave him access to mine and he wanted to work on this project. I was like, I was like, no, you could do this PowerPoint in 20 minutes with AI. He's like, Really? I was like, yeah. So I got all this data from him, put it in there. I had the, had the whole PowerPoint thing. I was like, you have to fact check and stuff because it still makes some mistakes. But he went through it and he's like, this is, this is crazy. When he, and that's why I reached out to him like a week later. I said, have you like, you know, upgraded it, done anything to. He's like, yeah, you know, I'm working on it, man. I'm bringing myself there. He just like, doesn't trust it. So he doesn't. And so I, he, There's a tab in my, in my little chat history where it's his PowerPoint and he hasn't even gone back in. I can, I can say there's been no, no activity.

[E]

You're watching him like a professor?

[D]

Well, no, I wanted to see, I want to see what he does and how he interacts with it. Because again, I believe that keeping up with the, the, the technological advances in our society will do nothing but aid you. I may not agree with them, I may not agree with how ethically they ran or their purposes, but it's here whether we like it or not. And so you might as well know what's going on. And so I'm explaining this to him and he's like, fascinated and he, he, he saw what it can do, and I think it's kind of like fucked with him a little bit. Like, hey, yo, like, what is this shit?

[E]

Yeah, but you're watching him like a professor. You know, they have that, that software now where they can watch as you type a paper to see if you used AI or not.

[D]

Well, no, no. Like, so, like, I got my cloth open right now and I'll just, I just go into the chat and I realize, look, let me see if he's done anything. Nah, still, still there. I, I, I do that like once a week. I'll check and see if he, if he's done anything. I'm not like, watching, I don't know. Nah, I hope he, I hope he does, though. I hope he, obi gets this. It's, it's, I think, I think it's important this can go haywire, especially because have you seen these shits, these new scams where they like the face, whatever thing? Like they can like, you can like, FaceTime people with that filter of people that they aren't. And like, they can do it. They could do it to somebody that, that you know. And so they could. You could be FaceTiming your moms or something. She's like, hey, can you let me like, he. Throw me like a thousand dollars or whatever the case may be. And it's, and it's your. It is your mom's face and voice like, that is on the, on the horizon. And that's, that's why, like, I want my parents to be like, my mom laughs at her mom right now because she got got by a, like some phone company scammer. She's like, mom, you gotta be more careful. But I'm, I'm trying to show my mom what's on the horizon of the scamming that's about to happen. It's. It's going to get wild. So you have to, like, have safeguards around your folks who aren't up on this. So that's why I like to stay up on it. And I'm sure when I'm decrepit, my, My kids are gonna be like, pops, well, stop answering those emails.

[E]

Yeah, I think if you're like 50 to 60 right now, in 10 years, it. The stuff's going to be bad. Like, what, they're going to be unrecognizable?

[D]

Yeah. Because I'm pretty good at identifying AI videos, but there are a couple that have gotten me where I'm like, there's no fucking way. There's no way. Like, there's this dude who put out one who was like. He's like, right now this is AI. You're looking at an AI model, and it's like, he's like, look at the dust on my hat. Look at the. And. And people are saying it's AI. It looked really shit to me. I mean, there's been some animal videos that look real to me, and it's like, you gotta be careful, dog.

[E]

Yeah. I think in five or 10 years, we can't even fathom the, the scams they're going to be able to have.

[D]

And I think it's so hilarious that, like, our. The. The. The production of AI and the. How good it's gotten is forever measured to how Will Smith eats spaghetti.

[E]

Yeah, he's getting better.

[D]

He's really good. There was this one with the open seed one where there was scene cuts and he was eating the spaghetti. I was like, this shit is crazy.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Five years from now, I'm not going to be able to tell. I don't think I'm going to be able to tell.

[E]

Looking forward to it.

[D]

Absolutely, my brother.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

That, that is the talk on data centers. Data centers, if you're less, you know, bougie. I don't, like I said, I, I've done minimal research into it and it's not my, my bag.

[E]

But wait, do you think there's a class divide between people who say Data and data?

[D]

Maybe not class. It could be regional, but there is a divide. I'm not sure how to categorically, I don't. How do you say.

[E]

I've said both. I think I typically say Data,

[D]

yes,

[E]

a Data, but I, I don't know that I've noticed any sort of divide in the people who say one or the other.

[D]

But I'm skewed though, because I think the reason why I say Data is because Data is a key character in one of my favorite shows of all time is Star Trek. He was the number two officer for Captain Picard. His name's Data.

[E]

And we all knew that.

[D]

Yeah. And when people say Data, I think of the Android who was like a. He was, he was AI, he's artificial intelligence who developed, I wouldn't say a soul, but he developed some cognition. That was, it was, it was interesting, interesting to explore in the early 90s about AI's development into, you know, sentience. There were some dope episodes about that. But anywho, Data, Data, potato, potato. We're all human beings, man. Except for Jeff Bezos.

[E]

Could be a robot.

[D]

Nancy Pelosi, that'd be fire.

[E]

Or a lizard person.

[D]

Now that's a conspiracy. We've done that one, right?

[E]

I think so, yeah.

[D]

David Ike, David Ike was a conspiracy theorist about the lizard people and he said one of the firest shits ever. This is why I don't care how much you disagree with somebody. Doesn't mean they can't say dope shit. He said, he said, he said, because I'm getting too close to the truth. And when you get too close to the truth, they can assassinate you or assassinate your character. In my case, they've chosen the latter. And I was like, hey, that is fire. That is a great quote. Yeah, I love that quote. Don't think there's lizard people, though.

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[D]

I think that concludes our episode today. I think Eric is back on Monday, right?

[E]

No, you and I are back on Monday that we're going to record in five minutes on Tuesday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we'll do some episodes here.

[D]

Yeah, I'm going to be. I'm going to be live in studio and we're going to put out a golf video. Are we gonna do breaking 80? Yeah, let's do breaking 80. That should be fun.

[E]

Hopefully you, Eric and myself.

[D]

Yeah, this should be easy. Easy, easy tats. We. Maybe we should break par.

[E]

It's gonna be tough.

[D]

I don't think so, man. I mean, I've shot in the 70s.

[E]

Maybe 75.

[D]

Breaking 75.

[E]

We'll figure it out.

[D]

I like that one. Breaking 75 with the fellas and the ladies. All right, man. We appreciate y'. All. Love y' all and stay safe out there in these streets, man.

[E]

Goodbye.