Jayden Daniels Suffers Season Ending Injury | Nov 4, 2025

Summary

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Macrodosing Podcast Summary

Episode: Jayden Daniels Suffers Season Ending Injury
Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts/Cast: Eric (PFT Commenter), Big T, Aryan (Arian Foster), Mad Dog McKenzie
Main theme: The episode covers Jayden Daniels’ season-ending injury, the impact on his team and coaching, hot AI takes in sports media, robot butlers and tech, wild sports betting wins, college football and basketball updates, and some fun detours into dog ownership, city populations, and rugby.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode pivots around the news of Washington Commanders QB Jayden Daniels’ gruesome season-ending arm injury. From there, the crew dives into topics ranging from coaching accountability, injury-related superstitions, and sports AI, to practical/absurd tech (robot butlers), dog adoption, city living, and college basketball anticipation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Jayden Daniels’ Injury: Fallout, Blame, and Morale

[08:50 - 13:00]

• PFT Commenter opens up about watching his favorite team’s game, which started great but turned tragic when Daniels’ elbow “exploded.”
• Reaction to the play: All agree on the graphic nature; Mad Dog McKenzie refuses to watch, and Eric dubs it “the ugliest looking arm injury that I’ve ever seen during a football game.”
• Blame game: Eric notes Daniels was playing "when he shouldn’t have been," as they were down 31 points and he was already hurt (“He shouldn’t have been in the game to begin with.”)
• Injury details: Not a fracture, but severe dislocation/ligament damage. Eric: “He should not play another down of football this year.”
  • “It bent back like over 90 degrees in the wrong direction. And he’s... he’s done for the year. I’ll be the first to report that he’s not playing this year.” — Eric [10:13]
• Coach accountability: Summary judgment is Dan Quinn made a “very bad” mistake, but Eric isn’t fully out on him for one mistake.
• Hexed stadium talk: Big T and Eric debate whether it’s concerning that Daniels’ injury occurred at the “same yard line in the same stadium” as RGIII’s infamous injury, part of a long line of serious injuries at the venue (Alex Smith, Adrian Peterson, Joe Burrow).

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College Football Playoff Scenarios & Big News in CFB

[05:27 - 08:22], [55:21 - 59:43]

• Playoff math: Eric is “hoping the American Conference eats itself and JMU finds its way in,” assigning a “25% chance” based on his “proprietary” gut formula, which the crew teases.
• Coaching carousel: Discussion about big job openings and rumors. Mentions of Coach Bob Chesney potentially moving, and the firing-watch on Hugh Freeze (with a humorous account of Freeze’s canceled golf tee times foreshadowing his ousting [54:08]).
• Playoff projections: JMU, Indiana, and various group-of-five contenders get predictions and betting odds analysis.
• Tennessee heartbreak: Big T recounts his trip to the Vols game, the electric atmosphere ruined by “turnover, turnover, turnover,” and a stat breakdown of red zone disasters [59:02+].

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AI in Sports Media and Daily Life

[20:38 - 25:11], [34:48 - 37:13]

• Sports AI hot takes: Fox Sports is launching “Sports AI,” a bot meant to serve up “opinions and hot takes on demand.” Crew tries getting ChatGPT to give a “hot take” and judges its output.
  • Big T asks for a Mahomes take: “That’s not that hot.” [23:38]
  • Mad Dog has GPT critique their own “Pardon My Take,” rating it a “decent hot take.” [24:40]
• Skepticism: Eric doubts bots can “do hot takes like sports people do.”
• Business utility: They discuss a New Yorker article detailing that, despite heavy AI investment, “most firms see no profit and loss impact from AI really at all.” CEO confidence in AI is plummeting (“dropped from 82% just last year to 49% in 2025.” — Big T, [36:46]).

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Tech Tangents: Robot Butlers, Self-Driving Cars, and the Future

[25:09 - 32:25]

• The NEO robot: Mad Dog looks into buying a $20,000 robot butler called Neo— “creepy as shit looking,” not fully autonomous, expensive, and requires VR training for custom tasks.
  • “Honestly, it freaks me the fuck out.” — Aryan [26:25]
• Race & robots: Crew riffs on robot color options (“It feels a little bit weird that we’re having like race… robot race.” — Aryan [27:07]), joking about getting a “white one for the ancestors.”
• Home tech skepticism: Consensus is it’ll be years before robots are truly useful—“I guarantee you that the first, like, 10 years of this home robot, it’s going to be way more trouble than it’s worth.”—Eric [29:10]
• Self-driving cars: They debate consumer trust, legal, and insurance troubles for widespread adoption; agree that cell phones are causing current spikes in pedestrian deaths.

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Sports Betting: Wild Parlays and Casino Tipping

[37:55 - 42:56]

• Jerry’s massive win: Jerry hits a longshot four-QB parlay for $100,000. Eric cashed out early ($9K) and side-bet, netting ~$14K; Jerry let it ride and hit the full payout.
  • “Jerry won close… pretty much a hundred thousand dollars.”—Eric [43:03]
• Tipping debate: Group debates how much you’re “supposed” to tip dealers in casinos after a big win. Range of answers, most agree: don’t feel obligated, but “take care of people.”

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Dog Ownership, Adoption, and Corgi Hate

[14:29 - 18:12], [99:36 - 101:18]

• Mad Dog is dog-shopping: Wants a “cool dog, not just ‘doing it to save a life.’” Eric proselytizes rescue adoption: “You can accidentally do a good thing.”
• Call-in segment: A listener pushes for corgis (“I will not be getting this little rat looking… muskrat looking… hell no, I ain’t getting that.” — Mad Dog, [99:43])
  • He wants a dog with presence: “I need a killer. I need somebody who, like, if you look at him, you’re like, I ain’t… no, I ain’t with him.” [100:19]
• Eric’s real-life dog protected him from Chicago police:
  • “The cops did not want any part of approaching my car. …Blake’s barking in the background, and after a couple seconds... they stepped back a little bit.” [100:51]

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Living in Cities: What’s the Sweet Spot?

[98:33 - 110:54]

• Listener asks optimal city size.
  • Mad Dog: ~200,000, “big enough for good hospitals, small enough for little traffic.” [104:34]
  • Big T advocates mid-size metros like Knoxville (pop. 198K city, 870K metro).
  • Eric: Cities like New York are fun for a weekend, not for living: “Why, why would you ever willingly want to live in New York City?” [105:43]
• Underrated small cities: Aryan suggests Charleston, SC, and Minneapolis.
• Least traffic: Oklahoma City comes up as America’s least congested big city, but tornadoes “would get old.”

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Brief Sports Roundup: World Series, NCAA Hoops

[44:36 - 49:33], [61:46 - 63:18]

• World Series Recap:
  • “It was an amazing... game 7 of a World Series, like, I’m new to baseball, but it had to be the best series of all time, at least in the conversation, right?” — Mad Dog [44:30]
  • Laments those base running errors are “the worst way” to lose crucial games.
• NBA/Mixtape nostalgia: The crew riffs on old And1 Mixtape legends and how streetballers fared (and didn’t) in the NBA.
• College basketball preview:
  • Big T projects Tennessee will be “top 5 at some point.”
  • They rundown powerhouses: Purdue, UConn, BYU, Kansas, Duke—with Carlos Boozer’s twin sons getting hype.

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Fun Tangents & Closing Highlights

Dog content: Eric’s dog helps with cops; Mad Dog’s quest continues.

Rugby: Aryan attends first rugby game (All Blacks vs. Irish at Soldier Field) and the gang explains the haka and rugby traditions.

Philosophical/career advice (Listener segment, [87:54 - 98:33]):

• “No shame at all in moving back with your folks if that's what it takes…” — Eric
• Aryan and Mad Dog stress: help around the house, be an asset, appreciate time with parents (“How you do anything is how you do everything.” — Mad Dog)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dan Quinn’s accountability:
  “I’m not fully out on Dan Quinn because I think the players love him. ...But that was about as bad as it can get.” — Eric [11:05]
• On robot race:
  “It feels a little bit weird that we're having like race... robot race.” — Aryan [27:07]
• On letting AI do sports takes:
  “I feel like John Henry, the steel-driving man going up against the steam powered drill.” — Eric [22:12]
• After the parlay story:
  “I put in 100 bucks to win 50 grand... After the first games, you had three of the four quarterbacks... I had a cash out option of $9,000. ...I took it.” — Eric [38:51]
• On sports heartbreak:
  “I can deal with losing, but when you’re there and it’s like you squander just the coolest atmosphere... It sucks.” — Big T [57:40]
• On plausible city sizes:
  “Big enough to where I have good hospital equipment if I need it, small enough to where I don’t gotta worry about the traffic being crazy.” — Mad Dog [105:09]
• On adults moving home:
  “If you’re living with your parents, don’t treat it like living with mom and dad and we chilling. Treat it like, yo, I don’t want to be a burden to this household, I want to be an asset...” — Mad Dog [94:16]
• On New York as a city:
  “Why would you ever willingly want to live in New York City?” — Eric [105:43]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 08:50 — Jayden Daniels injury discussion, anger at coaching, gruesome detail.
• 10:28 — Blame, should not play again this year, team fallout.
• 13:11 — Stadium “curse” injuries, superstitions.
• 20:38 — Trying AI-generated sports takes live.
• 29:08 — Robot butler quagmire (“trouble than it’s worth”).
• 38:51 — Betting win/cash-out/casino tipping debate.
• 44:36 — World Series wrap-up, “best series,” pain of base running errors.
• 55:21 — College football job “openings power rankings.”
• 61:46 — College basketball top teams preview.
• 87:54 — Career/life advice to a listener moving home.
• 99:36 — Dog breed advice/corgi hate/Dog-protected traffic stop.
• 104:34 — Ideal city size discussion, NIMBYism, city recommendations.
• 112:23 — Tease for next week’s murder mystery party rundown.

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Overall Tone & Style

The episode is high-energy, irreverent, full of in-jokes/insider riffing, but willing to slow down for moments of sincerity around jobs, adulting, and learning from setbacks—always served up with pop-culture riffs, memes, and the group’s signature blend of skepticism and humor.

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In short:
The crew dissects Jayden Daniels’s catastrophic injury, erupts into playful arguments about AI’s threat to sports banter, the absurdity (and racial implications) of robot butlers, the realities of tech and betting, and muses about the logic of city living—before landing with heartfelt, practical advice for listeners. Their signature: never skipping the jokes, but not flinching from bleak fandom or real-life challenges.

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For next episode:
Tease for a full rundown on the murder mystery party!

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Transcript

[Eric]

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[Big T]

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[Eric]

I don't ever see myself as being I have a, a robot butler that lives in my house guy. But if you told me like you can have a white robot or a black robot that does all your chores for you and you get to control all the time, I, I think I would probably take the white one. I think, I think that would be just for oppos. Yeah. For like, you know what I'm saying? Right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I didn't think about it like that. I just. Crazy.

[Eric]

Yeah. But there will be some people that do the opposite. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then that's get the white one just one time for the ancestors that might get the white one. Yeah.

[Eric]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

As they.

[Eric]

As they say.

[Big T]

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[Eric]

That's a great deal. I sometimes I don't know if Big T knows when I'm joking or being an idiot when it comes to college football. When I said between the hedges.

[Big T]

They have hedges.

[Eric]

They also have hedges.

[Big T]

Almost certain.

[Eric]

Tell me about the hedges in Starkville and how does Oxford get away with.

[Big T]

Being a lot of us? South Carolina has them. Are there hedges here? I'm pretty sure there are. I'm. There's, like, bushes in the end zone. It's not. It's not as manicured. It doesn't look like, as Georgia.

[Eric]

You know What? I might FaceTime Brandon Walker right now and see if I can get the scoop on the hedges and how they've allowed Ole Miss to become the hedges school.

[Big T]

You mean Georgia Ole Miss.

[Eric]

Oxford has hedges, too, right?

[Big T]

Oh, they might. I don't know. But Georgia, when you say hedges, people think of Georgia.

[Eric]

Yeah, but I feel like Ole Miss definitely has hedges.

[Big T]

Yeah, they don't have hedges. They have, like, trees and bushes in one of the end zones.

[Eric]

Okay. All right. Let's just FaceTime Brandon Walker. You think he'll pick up?

[Aryan]

They might be live on.

[Eric]

They are. They are. Let's see if he picks up. He should pick up. This is gonna be mean.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Damn.

[Eric]

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[Big T]

Don'T need to speak about college football.

[Eric]

Okay. We can talk about college football later.

[Big T]

No, we can do it.

[Eric]

Okay. I was just going to say I've been. I've been doing a lot of scenarios. I've been looking at all the possibilities and a lot of that has to do with the fact that I've got. I've got a dog in the fight. And I'm hoping that the American Conference eats itself and JMU finds its way in. I put it in my own personal metrics. I think we have about a 25% chance of making college football playoffs.

[Big T]

That's really high.

[Eric]

No, I think it's very possible. Well, first of all, we have to win out.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

How'd you calculate that?

[Eric]

Because I, I thought to myself, well, it's not 50. It's probably less than.

[Big T]

Certainly is not.

[Eric]

So then I thought, okay, what's less than 50? Oh, yeah, 25. So we. We'd have to win out and then we need.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That was. That was. That was the formula.

[Eric]

Formula? Yeah, my. My proprietary college football playoff formula.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I love it, man.

[Eric]

So we've got. Obviously a lot of teams from the American are looking good, looking very good, as is San Diego State in terms of the group of five team that's going to make the. The playoff in the automatic qualification spot. But JMU could very well do it. And if they do make it, then I put that at about a 25% chance that we would have a crazy matchup in the first round. There's a possibility that's going to be JMU versus Indiana in the first round.

[Big T]

Indiana's gonna get a buy, so they.

[Eric]

Probably will get a buy or I guess.

[Big T]

Oh, no. Cause Ohio State could beat them, so they might not.

[Eric]

Yeah, if Ohio State or.

[Big T]

Well, I guess it's just top four now, so. Yeah, they actually probably will.

[Eric]

Yeah. If Ohio State crush. I think there's a good chance that Indiana still is top four and gets a buy. Even if they, if they, like, lose in a close game to Ohio State. I think that's a possibility.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

When I hear a fun fact.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

JMU's James Madison.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did you know that James Madison was the shortest president?

[Eric]

I did know that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

At five foot four.

[Eric]

I did know that. Yeah. That is a fun fact. He had a silver tongue, though.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Kind of. Kind of odd. You went there.

[Eric]

It is kind of odd. Yeah. We have a statue of James Madison on campus and it is a life size statue of James Madison. It's like the least impressive statue that you'll ever see.

[Big T]

So you're almost to the top of it.

[Eric]

I'm. I tower above it. I tower above the statue of Jesus.

[Big T]

Well, he's 5:4, so you should be. You're only like half an inch 5:8 below it.

[Eric]

5, 8. 5:8. But yeah, JMU Indiana in the first round of the playoff would be a pretty incredible situation to have Sig going up against his. His old team. Just something to keep an eye on.

[Big T]

Yeah. They are plus 400 to make the playoff, which is a 20% implied probability.

[Eric]

Look at that.

[Big T]

But they're behind Memphis, North Texas and South Florida.

[Eric]

But all those teams play against each other. Yes, Memphis and South Florida already have, but, yeah, something to keep an eye on. I did bet them preseason. I forget what the odds were on that. It was. It was pretty good. So I'm hoping that Jamie makes it. And against Indiana would be crazy.

[Big T]

A lot of big jobs open this year. Good opportunity for Coach Bob.

[Eric]

Yeah, I saw this morning Ben Denucci shout out the Denucci Hive out there. He said that we should lock up Bob Chesney right now so that he doesn't go. I got news for your brother.

[Big T]

Yeah. He's not signing that.

[Eric]

This man's probably going to leave. But we can talk more college football in a second. Big T. We allow you some time to get your thoughts. Unless you want to go off on it right now.

[Big T]

I don't. I don't. I don't know that I have many thoughts.

[Eric]

Okay. So last night. Last night was fun. Last night was. We got to watch football last night. Always a good time. Love NFL season. Love being able to watch Sunday Night Football. That was a treat. I watched my favorite team play on Sunday Night Football last night. That was pretty cool. The uniforms were great. Then Jaden's elbow exploded. So that was tough. That was a tough watch, that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, Jaden got hurt.

[Eric]

Yeah. It might be. It might be the most gruesome arm injury that I've ever seen.

[Big T]

Oh, you haven't seen it in a football game. You gotta go watch it right now.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Is it. Is this throwing elbow?

[Eric]

No, thankfully it's not.

[Big T]

Left arm.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, he'd be right.

[Eric]

Yeah, you should be okay.

[Big T]

You should go look at it. I mean, he'll. Long term, he'll be fine. But I mean, you. Oh, dude. I mean, you see it.

[Eric]

Yeah, I know.

[Big T]

Snap.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, well, I'm gonna go look at that.

[Big T]

Why?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You want me to look at that? I don't like looking at it.

[Big T]

You support it for context.

[Eric]

You should watch it just to be informed.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I'm straight. I heard enough. That's. I hate. I hate looking at injuries like that.

[Big T]

I can't.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I can't watch that.

[Eric]

It was a. Yeah, it was a bad injury. I. I think it was the ugliest looking arm injury that I've ever seen during a football game. Fortunately, it was his non throwing arm. He shouldn't have been in the game to begin with. They were down 31 points in the middle of the fourth quarter and he was coming off an injury anyways, and so he was in the game and then he was out of the game. Looked to be in a lot of pain and he's. I saw the reports saying that he didn't break anything. It's just dislocated and he. He tore a bunch of ligaments and stuff. So he could in theory return this year. Let's just make one thing clear. He should not play another down of football this year.

[Big T]

It's not broken.

[Eric]

No. No fractures.

[Big T]

Really?

[Eric]

Is that crazy?

[Big T]

Yeah. I mean, his elbow goes to the front of his arm.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, Just clean. They call that clean snap. Then that's good.

[Eric]

Yeah, it. It bent back like over 90 degrees in the wrong direction. And he is. He's done for the year. I'll be the first to report that he's not playing this year. Dan Quinn is probably on the hot seat now for having him in that game. I don't think that Dan Quinn should be fired. I think that our defensive coordinator probably should. But Dan Quinn, it was. It was a very bad mistake. Don't get me wrong, it was about the worst mistake that you can make in a situation like that. I'm not fully out on Dan Quinn because I think the players love him. Everybody plays super hard for him, and I think he's. I think he's a good head coach. So I don't want him. I don't want him gone just for this one thing, but that was about as bad as it can get.

[Big T]

Are you at all concerned that Jaden Daniel's injury was suffered on the same yard line at the same stadium as Robert Griffin iii, the last dual threat, promising quarterback that the Washington football franchise had.

[Eric]

Well, you're just skipping over Taylor Heinecke.

[Big T]

Sure.

[Eric]

When it comes to that, but it was fact check. Not at the same yard line. It was on the same yard line on the opposite side of the field.

[Big T]

That's the same yard line. There's two of them.

[Eric]

I. Yeah, what you just said, there's two of them. So it's not the same.

[Big T]

That would be like saying if you ate an Oreo and I ate an Oreo, I would say we ate the same thing. We didn't eat the exact same cookie, but we ate the same thing.

[Eric]

That's different.

[Big T]

No, you just kind of got owned.

[Eric]

No, no, no, I didn't. And I'll tell you why. It makes a difference where you're, where you are on the football field. Robert Griffin was on that yard line in his own territory. Jaden was on that yard line going into score and the opponents.

[Big T]

Why does that matter?

[Eric]

It makes a big difference. Okay, it does. If it was, if it was on the same, same spot of the field and you're going towards that end zone and one, you happen to be going away from that I would, I would give you that point. But in this one. But yes, I have thought about. To answer your question. Yes.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well.

[Big T]

Oh, so I was going to say that it sounded like you weren't concerned, but now it seems like you might be.

[Eric]

I have thought about that. We need to get out of that stadium. I know that the timeline is like 2030 to move into RFK Junior Stadium and we need to advance that timeline a little bit. We need to change the schedule. We need to update the vaccine schedule. When it comes to, when it comes to that stadium.

[Big T]

Has anyone called it that publicly yet?

[Eric]

What? RFK Jr RF.

[Big T]

It should be RFK Stadium Jr yeah.

[Eric]

I've been calling it that. Yeah, I think, I think that can catch on. But yes, it's concerning because if you look at that field, you've got a long history of Robert Griffin, Alex Smith.

[Big T]

Joe Theisman at home.

[Eric]

Joe Theisman was at RFK in D.C.

[Big T]

But it was a home game.

[Eric]

It was a home game, but a different stadium. Right about. Yeah, 30 minutes away. You also have Adrian Peterson towards ACL there. Joe Burrow tore his ACL. I just saw him. What's that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I just saw him. Adrian Peters.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He was at my little league game just this last weekend.

[Eric]

Did you have a kid playing?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Ironically, there was a. Yeah, he has a kid that plays on I think the lower division team.

[Eric]

But he was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Standing there with some other Cat who played for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And there was a. This is a sign from your Jesus, Big T. There was a, A. A wagon full of pit bulls. And I was like. I was looking at a. Getting a dog and they go, word. I was like, yeah, not, not one of those. But yeah.

[Eric]

Wait, so a wa. Like a wagon full of pit bulls for sale or just like somebody.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I didn't ask no questions. And when I see dogs, I go the other way. You know, I adapt him up. Say, what's up? Said, damn. Looking for a dog. But not one of those holies you were they his. I, I don't, I don't. I don't ask no questions when dogs are involved. I'm out.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Big T]

Except for the one you're trying to get.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I haven't tried to get one yet. I, I did attempt this week and you pointed me in a direction. I did attempt to Google dogs, but how to go. It's. It's tough because it's just. They all look like scammy ass websites. All of them look like. All of them, like scammy websites. So there's no, like, official place to go to. And then Maddie was trying to convince me to get a used one.

[Eric]

No, no, but Aryan, she's right because I'll tell you why. And I'm not saying that she's wrong.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm not saying I'll tell you why. No.

[Eric]

But I'm not saying that you're going to get a dog with baggage or anything like that. You won't find a. You won't find a.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But it sounds like you're about to tell me to get a dog with.

[Eric]

No, I'm telling you, if you're looking for a mix of a lab and a pit bull, there's lots of dogs out there like that. That might be the number one most common dog in America. But is it really? Yeah, I think that most dogs that are like in a shelter anywhere, those are usually lab pitbull mixes of some, so they got other stuff in them too. But if you, if you look for a puppy, you won't find many breeders that are making like half lab, half pitbull puppies, because that's not like a dog that people generally go out and pay money for. So you'll find a lot of pit bull breeders, you'll find a lot of reputable lab breeders, but you won't really find anybody that's like dedicating themselves to making lab pit bull puppies. Now if you go to any rescue website, any adoption organization, they have puppies, too. They have puppies that are the exact same age. I'd say, like seven to 11 weeks is the spot that you're looking in. And they'll have a lot of lab Pitbull mix puppies. And they're so young that at that age they don't have, like, they haven't grown up in a home. They haven't, hopefully.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What's that in human. Human weeks? 7 to 11 weeks. How old is that?

[Eric]

I mean, it's just like. It's an infant.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You got.

[Eric]

You got an infant on your hands.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Still a baby.

[Eric]

Still very much a baby. Seven to 11 weeks is very, very, very much. It's a very young puppy. And so if you get one of those from a rescue place and you adopt them, you will find lab Pitbull mixes everywhere from, like, legitimate rescue organizations that treat their dogs well, feed them well, look after them, have volunteers that, like, pet them and take them on walks. They'll usually have all their shots. And you can find a dog that is very much still an infant little puppy that doesn't have any bad habits or anything like that, doesn't have any history of abuse, and then that. That can be your dog, and then you can raise it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, Might have been. Might have been correct then. Maddie, my apologies.

[Eric]

It's okay. Yeah, because if you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

If you thought she was trying to give me. Give me some. Some bruised ego.

[Aryan]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Puppy with a. With a bite, and he's ready to attack.

[Aryan]

No, no, no. Adopt, don't shop.

[Eric]

So. Yeah. Or you could just get one out of the wagon.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, there's a. There's a saying about this. Adopt, don't shop.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Eric]

You just.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Why do you know so much about dogs?

[Eric]

Me?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. That probably sounded a little accusatory, not having it. Curious about, you know.

[Eric]

Well, I'm not like chaps. Where I've like, spent time training them and raising them as a. As a job, but I did. I worked for that rescue organization when I was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, that's right.

[Eric]

Yeah. Getting them adopted. So I spent a good amount of time. I learned a little bit about the. The industry, I guess you could call.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Is an industry.

[Eric]

It is, but there's. Yeah, there's a lot of. A lot of homeless dogs out there. So if you can adopt a little puppy, then you're.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We already established I'm not doing this for moral reasons. I'm not trying to save a dog. I want a cool dog. Right. That's why. That's why I'm doing this. Let's not get it twisted.

[Eric]

You know, I got you, but you can. You can accidentally do a good thing. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The two things could be true at once.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Last week, I was, like, at 65 about getting a dog. I'm, like, up to, like, 68 right now.

[Eric]

I could tell That's.

[Big T]

That's a substantial increase.

[Listener Caller]

It is.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Big T. It is. I've been.

[Big T]

You went right over 6, 7.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I couldn't do it. I should have said 67. I've been shopping the idea with my kids, and they're like, what the you? And I was like, yes, me.

[Big T]

I think that's been everyone's reaction.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. My oldest, I literally said, she's like, what the you? I was like, yes, yes. She's 16. Yeah. Me.

[Big T]

It's.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's. It's getting close, man. 68. So almost somebody pulled his trigger, man. Not on the dog, but, like, on getting one. I had some dude sweet me, like, I don't know if your sarcasm. My sarcasm detectors off or you really talking about beating a dog. No, I'm not gonna beat the dog's jokes. I'm not. When you potty train him. I'm not actually gonna beat the dog, man. I'm not a beater. I'm not a hit. I grew up abused. I'm not gonna be abused. Abusive.

[Eric]

So, yeah, positive.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Fret not.

[Eric]

Positive reinforcement. It actually works.

[Big T]

Fret not.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Oh, I know it works when you beat him.

[Eric]

You're gonna be a good dog owner. I know you will.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, look at you.

[Eric]

Well, I can't wait to meet the dog. Well, if.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. 68 is not 100.

[Eric]

Yeah. We've got stars, got a line. We're gonna be selling these maybe. Maybe the toy of this. Of the summer. We're gonna be selling it for the wintertime. But it's a. It's a stuffed dog toy, and it's Hank. I put out some pictures of it already, but it's. It's Hank as a dog toy, and Blake is obsessed with this thing. He absolutely loves it, and he takes it with him wherever he goes.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And.

[Eric]

And I can't wait to bring Hank over again, because I think Hank met Blake, like, a year ago, but he hasn't been over in a while. So I want to bring Hank back over after Blake's been obsessed with the dog toy and see if Blake just goes nuts. Like, oh, my God. It's. I don't know if he's going to try to bite him or if he's going to be like, it's my best friend, but he's bigger.

[Aryan]

It's like when dogs see their favorite toy, like as a mascot, like big. But this will just be like a real human.

[Eric]

This will just be Hank. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pumped for that. Big T. This isn't on your sheet, but I. I accidentally discovered something yesterday that I'd like to talk about with you guys.

[Big T]

What's up?

[Eric]

So when I was prepping for part of my take yesterday, I was trying to do some research on stats. Let's say that five times yesterday I was. I was trying to do some research on wide receivers in the NFL who's led the league in receptions, yards, touchdowns since week four. So trying to do like a small sample size. I'm not really a spreadsheet guy, so I don't, I don't know how to do my own when it comes to that. So it's just like look up all these stats and then write them down and figure it out. And as I did that, I found that there are now these AI for sports websites that you can go to.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Eric]

Or apps that you can use. I don't trust them because I don't think that they do a good job of staying up to date. But as I was looking through them, I found. And now this is a company that we kind of have a business partnership with Fox Sports. I would say not kind of. We do have a business partnership with Fox Sports. Um, but I. It took me to a page on their website that I had never heard about before. It's called Sports AI. This is not an ad, by the way, because I'm just learning about it right now. Sports AI built for sports fans backed by Fox Sports. So there's a landing page for it. And it looks like this landing page came out in August, but they don't. They still don't have the actual AI machine up there. So it sounds like maybe it's something that they're working on that they haven't put out yet. But I was reading about this, this website, this robot, and they say that it's going to be able to give you opinions and hot takes on demand. Is this coming for our job?

[Big T]

It's bad news.

[Eric]

I feel like John Henry, the steel driving man going up against the steam powered drill. It says ask sports AI for bold takes or a second opinion on a hot button issue. Whether you're defending your team or talking trash, Sports AI is ready to jump in. I don't think that they're going to be able to build a bot that can do Hot takes. I don't.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think, I think they are.

[Big T]

I mean, can Chad GPT not do that right now?

[Eric]

Ask it.

[Big T]

What do you want a hot take about?

[Eric]

Give me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Here's a hot take. If you get that, you're a dory.

[Eric]

Give me. Give me a hot take on. Let's see, give me a hot take on Patrick Mahomes. And I'll tell you if I've heard of this hot take, because we've had a lot of them. We've had a lot of takes on Patrick.

[Big T]

Patrick Mahomes isn't just the best quarterback of his generation. He's already changing how we judge greatness in the NFL and it's breaking the goat conversation. If Mahomes retired tomorrow, his resume of three Super Bowls, three MVPs, constant AFC dominance would still outshine what most hall of famers did in 15 year careers.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He.

[Big T]

He's also doing it in an era designed to prevent dynasties with salary caps, free agency, churn elite defenses, and viral level media pressure, and still making the Chiefs look like a cheat code. Basically, Mahomes isn't chasing Brady's legacy. Brady's legacy is going to end up being measured against Mahomes. I don't think that's that hot.

[Eric]

That's not that hot. Also saying he's not chasing Brady's legacy. Brady's legacy is going to be measured up against Mahomes.

[Big T]

Well, that's just a.

[Eric]

That's saying that he is in fact chasing.

[Big T]

That's just a tense issue. Brady's is done. His is not right.

[Eric]

But I'm saying that he, he is the way that that sentence is constructed, he is very much still chasing Brady. Anyways, I give that like, I give that two skip Baylesses.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I got one. I said give me a hot take about the part of my take podcast. Oh, no, it's not that bad. They said hot take. Part of my take stopped being a sports podcast years ago. It's basically a pop culture comedy show that uses sports headlines as a cover story. PMT's real genius isn't the sports analysis. It's in how PFT and Big Cat built a meta universe inside of inside jokes and their audience treats like lore, Coach O Impressions, Blake Borders, worship, Football guy, et cetera. The interviews are almost secondary to the banter parody of a sports media tropes. It's ESPN meets South Park. South park actually loved Red Zone. That's a very. Okay, pretty good take.

[Eric]

All right. I mean, yeah, that's a decent hot take. I do think we yeah, I'm not going to argue with. I'm not going to argue with the robot. Not going to argue with the robot. Nice try, robot. Did you just.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You see the new joint that came out? I guess it's not new, but it's making the rounds. It's. I shouldn't. What is it? The new AI robot that you can now order? No, what is it called? I just sent it.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Yes.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What was it called? I forget what it's called, but anywho. So I, I looked into this and it's not.

[Eric]

Oh, Neo.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's what it's called. Neo, the home robot. So you can literally order one and it's like a iRobot thing.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I looked at it a little deeper into it and it's not autonomous like they say. It kind of is. Like, it has like preset thing, so it's meant to like do your chores. It could pick up clothes, it could fold your laundry, it could, you know, pick up trash, whatever the case may be. So it has like preset things that it's designed to do, but it can't. You have to teach it things. And the way that you teach it things is that there is a somebody at the like. So if I wanted it to say, open my garage and take my trash out, I would have to program it through a VR step by step sequence. And so like somebody at the company will have VR and kind of like coach it what to do and then after a while it'll get the steps on how to do whatever the task it is that you want to do. So it's not like fully autonomous. You can't just say, hey, do this, you know, do that. You got to kind of have like some kind of like VR component to it. Because I was, I was about to get one.

[Aryan]

Honestly, it freaks me the fuck out.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's 20k right now. It's very creepy too. It's creepy as shit looking. But I mean, I just, I like, I like it. I don't know.

[Aryan]

Yeah, it says for any, but. Oh, sorry.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, go ahead.

[Aryan]

So just says for any chore that Neo doesn't know yet, owners can schedule a 1x expert to guide it through unknown tasks, helping NEO learn while getting the job done. And that it can. You can schedule when you want things to be done from it. So if you want like, say like, Neo, I need you to fold my clothes at 6 and then I need you to wash the dishes at seven and they'll just do it and you don't have to say anything Also, I don't like that it comes in different colors.

[Eric]

You don't.

[Aryan]

It feels weird.

[Eric]

Think they should be all white.

[Aryan]

There's, like a white, and there's like a white, a black. There's a black one, a white one, and then, like, one other color. Maybe like a gray. I'm like. It feels a little bit weird that we're having, like, race. Robot race.

[Eric]

Gotcha. Yeah.

[Aryan]

Do you know what I mean?

[Eric]

I. I don't ever see myself as being. I have a. A robot butler that lives in my house. Guy. But if you told me, like, you can have a white robot or a black robot that does all your chores for you and you get to control all the time.

[Aryan]

Right.

[Eric]

I think I would probably take the white one. I think. I think that would be just for office. Yeah. For, like, you know what I'm saying? Right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I didn't even think about it like that. I was just crazy.

[Aryan]

Isn't that kind of weird?

[Eric]

Yeah. But there will be some people that do the opposite.

[Aryan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

And then that's what I'm saying.

[Eric]

Right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

One time for the ancestors. That might get the white one.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

40 acres in a robot.

[Eric]

It. That would be. Yeah. I think just make. Yeah. Gray, metal.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Neutral.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Make them, like, stainless steel, like a refrigerator.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Blue one, easy to clean. I was absolutely gonna get one, but it's not fully autonomous, so this is, like, one of the first ones to roll out in homes. I'm gonna wait, like, five years till it's perfected and it's really autonomous. I'm gonna get that one. I ain't gonna angle. I ain't gonna jump the gun.

[Big T]

I'm watching it try to close a dishwasher. And you should not spend 20 grand on this.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes. It's not ready. It's not ready yet.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

This is the.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

This is the. This is the first. This is the first iPhone. Well, actually, that was pretty fire. I was pretty. It's not even that.

[Eric]

But also, like, this is something that's going to break down all the time in my. Another thing I have to worry about fixing and, like, updating the firmware on. Yeah. Store, like, getting. Getting a new app on my phone and then debugging the app, logging into my account on my robot.

[Aryan]

It just freaks me out.

[Eric]

I guarantee you that the first, like, 10 years of this home robot, it's going to be way more trouble than it's worth. I'm going to be, like, at work and get a notification that my robot fell down on the stairs.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He got to get up. You got to get up. I just seen. I didn't see some of the robots do backflips and shit. Get your ass up.

[Eric]

Yeah. Oh, I forgot to charge my robot. Damn it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Got it. Yeah, I think it self charges, though. Think you could be like, yo, go charge yourself and it'll walk to a station.

[Eric]

I love that. I think we're still a good like 30 years away from having any of these robots that would actually be useful and seamless. No, but like, but I mean a useful one that's not a pain in the ass.

[Big T]

What, what does that mean, pain in the ass?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

5 to 10. 10 is stretching it to 5 to 10.

[Big T]

I'd say 10.

[Eric]

How long till we get driving cars? Like self driving cars everywhere?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think that's very, I mean, we.

[Big T]

Maybe could kind of have that now if everybody wanted to manufacture those.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

People are gonna scream freedom and shit. That's gonna be a little bit longer. That's more of a human user thing. I think we could do that now. But people are like, no, but freedom.

[Big T]

I mean, we have them.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I think most people wouldn't. I think most people don't want one.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I not. Well, yeah, I guess I'm not most people. I would absolutely. That's, it's, it's way better you would minimize traffic fatalities.

[Big T]

Oh, I, I don't disagree. I just think people over the age of say, 40 just wouldn't trust that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Speaking as I'm not maybe 45 or 50. But yeah, it's probably the boomers, not the millennials, I think are all probably before that.

[Eric]

I just wouldn't, you know, who knows? I wouldn't fully trust a self driving car.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Because I don't fully trust.

[Big T]

You can still drive them.

[Eric]

Right. But they like, they're, they're so early on that they can make mistakes, but.

[Big T]

They'Re, they make mistakes generally at a lower rate than people do.

[Eric]

Right.

[Big T]

But I was reading. What was it that I was looking at? It wasn't about cars, but it was some sort of AI thing. And it was like, I think it did use the example of cars, of would you accept, you know, let's say humans have a 90% success rate or, you know, a 10% accident rate, whatever. And robots have three. But then someone, you know, dies in a car accident at the hands of a robot car.

[Eric]

Right.

[Big T]

Would you accept that? And it's like, well, people want there to be like responsibility, I guess.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

It was the Waymo CEO that was talking about this.

[Big T]

Is that what it was.

[Aryan]

Yes. Yeah, it was this woman interviewing the Waymo CEO asking like, do you think people will accept a death caused by a Waymo? And the CEO obviously said yes.

[Big T]

I think it's, it's anecdotal, like the, the family of the person that it happens to would go ballistic and rightfully so. But it's like we have those happening now. It's just there's a person that did it.

[Eric]

And that's the issue with American society when you have like everything built up around litigation is that if you, if a corporation creates a self driving car and then that car does something that directly leads to an accident that should not have happened, then in America you sue that company and their liability has to be like through the roof. Their insurance.

[Big T]

Yeah, I can only imagine.

[Eric]

Yeah. I think, don't.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Wait. Waymo does that already. Right? Waymo. Waymo has those self driving, like Uber.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What do they have? Do they have any kind of like protection for liability?

[Eric]

I'm sure they do, but it, but if something like bad happens and the car just freaks out, you know that company's getting sued. I do know that, like whether or not they have an ironclad liability clause, like there will be, it'll be national news. I think the real story when it comes to like driving deaths in America, pedestrian deaths. So right now pedestrian deaths are at their highest, I believe in like 50 years. That's getting worse.

[Big T]

Do you think that's because of self driving cars or what's the impetus of that?

[Eric]

I think it's, I think it's cell phones.

[Big T]

Yeah. But I mean those have been around for years now.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Not to this extent.

[Eric]

Yeah, I think it's a combination of cell phones by drivers and cell phones by pedestrians as they're walking.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I don't know. I haven't seen any data on this, but I'm with that.

[Eric]

And when you look at cars in America, like they keep getting bigger. I guess they, they kind of reached a. They're still very big, but for a while there it was just like get, get the biggest car you can. And in other countries, I'd be interested to see what the, the pedestrian fatalities are like in, in European countries where they don't have the big cars.

[Big T]

Well, they barely have cars at all.

[Eric]

They barely have cars. Yeah. And also just there's fewer places where people can walk now. Everywhere is, everywhere is a road. But yeah, that's, it's pretty crazy when you look at the stats and just see how many more pedestrians are getting hit and killed by cars. As opposed to like 30 years ago. So maybe Waymo can can help with that. I don't know. Big T in the sheet that you sent over today.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, I didn't look at it.

[Big T]

Don't worry about it.

[Eric]

Tell me about this article in the New Yorker, because I clicked on it and then I got paywalled.

[Big T]

Oh, really?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Oh, I could. I could read it, but it's an AI. There was a study that came out that looked at. Hold please. 300 plus AI initiatives and 50 executives of companies that utilize AI in whatever form or fashion. And it said that most firms see no profit and loss impact from AI really at all. And that even though all their workers use it, there's really been no change in how their business operates and things like that. So more or less, we are overhauling the entire society and economy for this thing that so far it allows people to make funny jokes on Chat GPT and, you know.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Big T]

Take a picture. I did actually, this weekend I Chat GPT did do something that was very useful for me and I didn't know it could do. We were trying to find where the App Store was. This sounds very boomer of me. We were trying to find where the App Store was on my buddy's TV because he has YouTube TV and we had to go to another app to watch college football was a whole ordeal. And we just couldn't find where the App Store was. And I just took a picture of the TV and put it in Chat GPT. I said, where's the App Store on this tv? And it gave me a step by step thing on how to find it.

[Eric]

That's pretty cool.

[Big T]

So, yeah, it can do some cool stuff, but a lot of the businesses that are using it to the tune of millions of dollars of investment say that they're not really seeing the returns on that.

[Eric]

Yeah, that's kind of what we talked about a few weeks ago.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Eric]

Like the. The money that's being funneled into AI is being funneled in there because they can then sell their tools to businesses. And then when the tools don't help the businesses actually succeed, then people will stop buying the AI stuff and then the AI companies will feel pressure from their investors that have bankrolled the whole thing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So that's kind of where we're at right now. So this is good.

[Big T]

CEO confidence in AI strategies dropped from 82% just last year to 49% in 2025.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Love that.

[Eric]

Now somebody's going to come out with a, like a AI betting thing that works and that's what I'm excited about.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

But then sports bookmakers will probably find that same thing. They're probably already using it, actually.

[Big T]

For sure.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like. Like a, like an algorithm for sports betting.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Big T]

I use something similar. There's a website that gives you, like, it's. It's mostly just trends that you could find yourself if you wanted to invest the time. And then it has like a confidence score based on like, it really likes this tonight or whatever.

[Eric]

Yeah, I mean, it's.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't even find that, like, it's just saving work. Yeah, well, yeah, it's just doing what gambling always is. You're playing your statistical probabilities. People do that with cards and dice and all that. There's a statistical probability. So I don't find that. That that bad actually. Did Jerry hit a big pay? But yeah, I saw a tweet, but I couldn't verify it.

[Eric]

Yeah. So what happened was Jerry puts in these real long parlays every week where it's just a little bit of money where you can potentially win a lot. And they're, they're very long shot bets. So they are typically not a great way to like make a bunch of money. But when you do hit, you hit big time. And Jerry put in a parlay yesterday that was four quarterbacks to score a rushing touchdown or to score a touchdown, not passing, just to score a touchdown, whether it's receiving or rushing. And it was Caleb Williams, Daniel Jones, Trevor Lawrence and J.J. mcCarthy. And in the early games, Daniel Jones, J.J. mcCarthy and Caleb Williams all hit. So that's three out of four right there. And the bet was, I believe he put in $200 to win 100,000. If all four of those.

[Big T]

That's crazy.

[Eric]

I put in 100 bucks to win 50 grand. And after the first games, yet three of the four quarterbacks that had scored and Trevor Lawrence was playing in the afternoon game, the later one. And so sometimes when you're like three quarters of the way done on a parlay, the sportsbook will give you an option to cash out. It'll like buy that ticket from you. So I think Jerry had a cash out option of about 20 grand. I had a cash out option of $9000 on $100 bet. And so I took it and I was like, I'm going to take the 9,000. I was, I was out of money in my account anyway, so I was like, I'll take the 9,000. That seems like a pretty great deal for just having bet 100 bucks on this deal. So I took it, and Jerry said he's going to let it ride. Big Cat let his ride, too. And then Trevor Lawrence scores not one, but two rushing touchdowns in that game. So Jerry won a hundred grand off that bet.

[Big T]

Just so you know, just so you hear $100, just so you hear it from someone, you made the correct decision.

[Eric]

I can't look back on it and second guess it.

[Big T]

You hit a 90 to 1.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

That you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I just. I'd have absolutely bought that. A hundred dollars and you get nine grand and Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. Is the. Yeah, I'd have took that easy. Yeah.

[Eric]

Yeah. So. And then what I did was I. I took the nine grand, then I put a thousand dollars on Trevor Lawrence to score, so I could at least, like, taste it if he scored, which he did. So then I got another four grand off that. So I ended up about up $14,000, give or take on it. But Jerry. God bless Jerry, man, what a crazy bet. And then Jerry. Jerry came up to me yesterday. It was so funny, because he is. He's feeling himself a little bit right now. And you know that Jerry's like, he's. He's a grinder. He's a hustler. He's always looking for. For the next thing. And he was like, eric, Eric. There should be a. There should be an option on the sportsbook where if people follow your bet and they hit, they should be able to tip you out, like your dealer at a casino.

[Big T]

I've never understood that, by the way. And I'm not a huge. I enjoy going to a casino. I don't do it often, but, like, if I go there And I lose 500 bucks, yeah, I just lose $500.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Big T]

But if I go there and I win four grand, yeah. I'm expected to give the person who's already being paid to be there, like, some of that money. That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

[Eric]

Yeah, I. I hear what you're saying, and you're not necessarily, like, expected to. It's just a nice thing to do.

[Big T]

I feel like I see a lot of people saying it's kind of expected.

[Eric]

Well, sometimes you'll get a. At a blackjack table, you get a dealer that, like, gives you advice on your hands, and it's like, talking you through it, helping you make your decision. Do you want to. You want to double down here? Do you want to split? Do you want to split and double down?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Do you want to take care of people, man?

[Eric]

Take care of people?

[Big T]

I'm not. And I'M not opposed to. If you just feel you want to do that, that's awesome. That's great. It just seems like, I don't know, Take.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Take care of the people, man. They. They part of the people. You. Your fortune is good. If you don't want to lose anything, ain't nobody expected from you. But if you win something, man, kick them a little something, man. They just doing their job. Help. Help.

[Big T]

Like, what percentage.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Give them? Give them some.

[Eric]

It depends on what you're betting. So if I'm at, like, a. If I'm at a $50 table for blackjack and I win, like, three or four hands in a row, I'll give him, like, 10 bucks.

[Big T]

Okay. But let's say you did what you did yesterday. You hit a 90 to 1.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Let's say you win nine grand.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

How much? What. How much are you giving them to the.

[Eric]

To the blackjack dealer?

[Big T]

Well, you couldn't win 90 to 1 on blackjack roulette. Yeah.

[Eric]

If I win nine grand, probably, like, I don't know, 50.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Eric]

Something like that.

[Big T]

See, I. I usually see people say giving, like, way more than that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I kick them a couple bills.

[Eric]

Yeah, you just.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

If I went nine grand, I'm doing.

[Eric]

A couple bills, Just take care of them a little bit.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Couple honey buns.

[Eric]

But Jerry's idea was so funny. He hits that bet, he's like, I should. I should get more.

[Big T]

So he won a hundred.

[Eric]

Jerry won CLO. I don't know if it was, like, 96. It was pretty much a hundred thousand dollars. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. That's 100 grand.

[Eric]

It's an amazing bet that he put in. So shout out to Jerry. I can't wait to see what he does with it. I. He said. I was like, what are you gonna do with the money? So I'll probably invest it. I mean, what does that mean?

[Big T]

Then?

[Eric]

More bets?

[Big T]

Yeah, he's putting 10. He's putting 10 of it on another parlay next week.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Eric]

He also said he was gonna buy, I think, $50,000 worth of Victor Wembanyama rookie cards as an investment, as.

[Big T]

That's not the worst thing I've ever heard. Yeah, but he's big into cards.

[Eric]

Big into cards. Yeah. Wimby looks insanely good. He's. He is a freak. Man, we should talk about some baseball because the World Series was so good.

[Big T]

Great series.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was. It was an amazing. So I didn't get to catch the game seven until the eighth inning because I had a. I had a murder mystery dinner party, which Was, hey, we as adults got to do more cool shit. That was one of the best things I've ever done. It was so amazing. We'll park that for a second. But we turned it on at the eighth inning and we had drinks, we had sushi, catered. It was amazing. And all the auto homies, we just sitting there watching the game. I was like, yo, this is one of the best games I've ever seen. And for it to be a game seven of a World Series, like, I'm new to baseball, but it had to be the best series of all time, at least in the conversation, right?

[Big T]

One of the best in recent memory, for sure.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Unreal. It was, it was unreal. I mean, you know, you know, shout out to the Dodgers, did they thing, whatever, but great, great baseball game to watch. Yamamoto, my boy, Cole, man.

[Big T]

Beast.

[Eric]

Yeah, that was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, and at the end of the game, Johanna Tassi, number 17, Shatanahisi Coats. He said, thank you, guys, with the most perfect American accent. He might be faking the phone.

[Big T]

No, he speaks English.

[Eric]

He. Oh, he does.

[Big T]

Well, it's not confirmed, but there's. Have you seen the video of him? You know who Cameron Brink is? She's, she plays for the LA Sparks. She's pretty, conventionally attractive. She comes to one of the Dodgers games and he's chatting her up like, like they've been best friends for years.

[Eric]

He.

[Big T]

A thousand percent speaks English, I think.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, the way he said thank you guys was like. I was like, hold on. That wasn't like. There was no accent, though. You could. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you could. You could order from in and out and you would have.

[Big T]

No, he definitely does. At least, at least a working, you know, version.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Understanding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe his, his interpreter is just a homie and he got him a job.

[Big T]

Well, well, you know about the last interpreter.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, was that the whole betting scandal?

[Aryan]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, that might be. It might be, dog. And it allows him to play dumb a little bit, too. So we can't grab a question.

[Big T]

Yep, I am.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm slick. I'm slick to this game, man. I like it, though. What a beast.

[Eric]

Yeah, that was an incredible, incredible World Series. I think it was the best one I've ever watched. Every game had its own little, like, quirks and nuances and drama. And then game six on Friday night, man, and I, I, I, I gave this take on part of my take, but I want to hear what you two have to say about it, because the ways to lose an important playoff game, I think that base running errors might be the worst way to do it.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Because those are the ones that you'll think about when you're old, like for years and years. You'll be looking back and like, yeah, you remember when we got doubled up on second base? Yeah. You remember when we didn't take a secondary when IKF got thrown out at home plate? Like base running errors have a unique place in sports, in the dark places in sports fans minds where they will continue to haunt you for the rest of your life.

[Big T]

Because if you like Kurt grounds into the double play, you hit that ground ball tens of thousands of times over your life. Like you're only going to get a hit in that situation 25% of the time, whatever that happens.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

But when you're. You get doubled off at second base to end game six, you don't take a lead in game seven at third base on the four side at home. Like those are completely preventable.

[Eric]

Yeah. Yeah. It's. It was a crazy, crazy series. Max Scherzer went out there, one last ride for Big Game Max. He did a. I said Big Game Max, by the way. Big Game Max went out there and, and held his own. And in game seven, that was fun to see. And just some unreal plays by the Dodgers. Unreal plays to, to win that baseball game. The warning track fly ball in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded. You got a center fielder that just gets into the game, has no business making that catch. That was Kike Hernandez ball and just steamrolls him to make the. And he had to. And when Kik bounced up, he was like, okay, yeah, thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Am I wrong? In a World Series game, a professional baseball team, that's like, bro, somebody got to make a call right there, right? Somebody got to say, wave them all. Like, somebody like, am I wrong? Like, I feel like that's little League. We got taught to like, yo, center fielder makes the call, he makes the call. Like, I don't know about baseball, but I assume like you call that guy off, right?

[Eric]

I think that, I think that's K's ball. But the center fielder didn't have time for, for niceties, didn't have time to be polite. He was just like, that could have been bad. It could have been bad. But it also. I don't think that Kike was going to make that catch. That was going to be a really hard catch for him.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It would have been a hard catch. But I don't know, man.

[Eric]

I think anyway, made the play. Made the play. It was A great play. And then, yeah, just so much drama in that World Series going back and forth every game was incredible. I woke up this morning. Well, first of all, I tweeted this out, but I woke up this morning and there was a solid minute and a half where I forgot that Jaden's elbow bent backwards last night. And I, I want to. I want to recapture that moment because it was. I was just living in, like, retrospectively, I was living in bliss until I remembered. And then I was like, oh, yeah, that sucked. But I. I was thinking about.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I had a dream when I was a kid. This was when we were, like, really broke. I had a dream that I woke up and it was Christmas and my mom and dad got me a Nintendo 64. And it felt so real. It was like a real, real dream. And then I woke up, like, happy as shit. And then it slowly starts to dawn on you that that is not real life. Yeah, I feel you.

[Eric]

Yeah. It's a tough feeling when you snap back to reality, but I was upset that there's no more baseball when I woke up.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's about to start right back up.

[Listener Caller]

Don't worry about it.

[Big T]

Were you a braves guy in 1991?

[Eric]

I was, yeah.

[Big T]

Because I feel like that's what most people say is one of the best world series ever.

[Eric]

1991 was. I don't remember too much about like the first few games. I remember Ron Gant had a base running blunder. I think it was Ron Gant in that game. Real bad base running mistake in that World Series. Costa Braves. The World Series there. And I remember it was Jack McDowell, right. That pitched game seven.

[Big T]

Jack Morris.

[Eric]

Jack Morris, Jack Morris. Yeah, yeah, Jack Morris. Remember Kirby Puckett's home run Kent Herbeck pulled?

[Big T]

Was that Ron Gantt off the base?

[Eric]

Yep.

[Big T]

Who, who did he pull off?

[Eric]

Ken Herbeck, legendary Minnesota Twin. But yeah, you, I think. Can you look that up? Was it Ron Gantt that made the base running mistake? I think that it was.

[Big T]

What now this is separate from the Kent Herbeck thing, right?

[Eric]

Yes. Base running blunder. And this would completely undermine my take of. You'll never forget that for the rest of your life if I get the wrong person. Braves. Let's see. Base running blunder. Braves. Twins.

[Big T]

I mean, if you Google Ron gant, base running 1991 World Series. Herb X. All that's going to come up.

[Eric]

Yeah, I'm. I'm not a ball knower. I. After I said Ron Gantt a couple times, I. I felt that it was wrong. It was Lonnie Smith. Lonnie Smith, Game seven base running mistake. So yeah, maybe you don't remember the exact names of every player that's made a base running mistake, but also I was, I was six years old. So sorry about that. What else we got to get into today? I've got just a small update on the Internet Invitational. And so, so this is, I was telling these guys before we started taping it broke containment. I found, I found this story in parts of the Internet that I usually don't frequent. I was hearing from people that I haven't heard from in years talking about the, the Luke Kwan thing. And everyone has a very, very strong opinion on it. I actually reached out to Luke last Friday just to see how he was doing because say what you want about how he came across during the video, but that was, that was a rough couple days for old Luke online. It had to be like the, the being the focus of the entire Internet. You never want to be the main character of the Internet. I feel like Luke Juan to a certain extent was the main character of at least a lot of sports parts of the Internet. And so he, he probably went through it and so he, he, he texted me back and we kind of just went back and forth and he was like, hey, I didn't mean to be a dick to you. I didn't think that it was going to come across like that. And I told him, yeah, you were being kind of a dick. But I deal with people who are kind of dicks a lot. And like, I wasn't personally offended by any of it. I knew what my role was going to be in there. I'm not a great golfer, but you know, it's. I, I told him that I enjoyed some of the time that we spent together that they didn't show in the, in the full video. And so I think, I think we're in a good spot. Hopefully we can link up and, and do something together. I think that would, that would be a good time. I'd like to compete against them head to head, handicaps included. So I've been thinking about how I'm going to be spending my time now that the commander season is officially over and I get, I need to distract myself with some things. Number one, obviously, still college football, still going on. Very excited. I'm still going to watch all the NFL and care deeply about that. But you have to fill these, these voids. You have to fill these voids in your life sometimes. And I think I'm just going to get sick nasty at golf. I Think this winter I'm going to get. I'm going to spend a lot of time in the lab. I'm going to get to a place where. Where I'm just stick at golf come next golf season.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I absolutely love that.

[Eric]

I think I can do it.

[Big T]

Do you see how who broke Hugh freezes firing?

[Eric]

Mm.

[Big T]

There. It's some random guy on Twitter who. I don't know if he works at the golf course or how he had access to this information, but he said Hugh freezes Sunday tee time at 1:30 has been canceled. And he said this at like 8am on Sunday. Look for something to happen at Auburn today. And then the news broke four hours later that he got fired.

[Eric]

I love that because that was a storyline kind of going going into this.

[Big T]

And this summer, a message board poster went to Hugh Frieza's USGA page and was like, he's played golf 10 of the first 20 days of June.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And then he hasn't posted a score since then. But it seems he might. He must have been playing this course every Sunday because the guy said his standing tee time has been canceled and it was under his wife's name.

[Eric]

Yeah, well, that's what some people found, his wife's USGA handicap page and they saw that she was still playing, like, at the same times that that Hugh had been playing.

[Big T]

And now he just got a $15 million check to go play as much golf as he wants.

[Eric]

Good for all, Hugh.

[Big T]

Not subject to any offset or mitigation.

[Eric]

Good for you.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

So rank the openings.

[Big T]

LSU is still number one. Even with their whole leadership fiasco they have, I think it will affect their ability to attract the kind of head coach they want, given that you answer directly to the governor.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Florida number two. Penn State three. Auburn four, but it's a distant fourth. And then Arkansas, Virginia Tech, ucla.

[Eric]

You put Arkansas after Auburn.

[Big T]

Yes. They spend too much money on basketball. And Auburn has competed for national championships in the last two decades.

[Eric]

They have they. Well, you could say that they've won two championships this century.

[Big T]

Well, they've won one if. If you ask them.

[Eric]

If I'm looking at the side of.

[Big T]

The stadium, even an Auburn fan won't tell you that.

[Eric]

If I'm looking at the side of the stadium, does that. Do they claim the Jason Campbell?

[Big T]

I believe someone there does, yes.

[Eric]

Yeah. Who's that? Was that Tommy?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Tommy Tuberville and Gene Chiswick.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Like, that's. If you think about LSU and the coaches that have won championships compared to the coaches at Auburn.

[Big T]

Well, I Mean, it's Saban. Yeah. And then it's Les Miles and Coach O. It's not.

[Eric]

You know, those are great coaches. What's your point?

[Big T]

It's not coaching. Royalty. Two of the three of them, Les.

[Eric]

Miles had a great career. Coacho's a king in Louisiana.

[Big T]

Coacho's the man. But he doesn't come to your mind, amongst the Mount Rushmore, lsu. It runs itself, more or less is what I'm saying.

[Eric]

It's. It is more of a well oiled machine.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I mean, Brian Kelly's the only coach out there, last four that didn't win.

[Eric]

A title, I'll give you that. I, I think that if you're coaching at LSU and your boss is the governor, that's a tough situation that you found yourself.

[Big T]

And it's not just the governor, it's that governor.

[Eric]

Yeah. That guy who cares deeply about football and is not afraid to speak his mind on a national. He's got the bully pulpit for you. Yeah. Yeah. So, college football, what a weekend we had. Big T. I'm sorry, I'm sorry about your Tennessee Volunteers. Looks like, you know, the playoffs is, you know, that's, that's a distant memory now.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's fine. It's just. I went to the game, I flew to Chattanooga, rented a car, drive to Knoxville. You wake up Saturday, you walk here, there and everywhere, go into tailgates, whatever. You go to the game. It's the sickest atmosphere you've ever seen. The light show, the everything. And then we just turn it over, turn it over, turn it over. Then it's 1am you get home, I drive back to Chattanooga in the rain, fly home. It's just a. I, I can deal with losing, but when you're there and it's like you squander just the coolest atmosphere. Every Oklahoma fan has been like, that's the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. That's the greatest game I've ever been to. And that's great. Glad, Glad y' all enjoyed Knoxville. It just, it sucks when you do all that stuff. Yeah. Now I've still got tickets to the Vandy game.

[Eric]

That's gonna be interesting.

[Big T]

Yeah, whatever, man.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's tough. You guys can still make a great bowl game, still been a fun season. Dark mode looked amazing.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's the, like, it was so cool. Oh, you should have seen.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But the opening te. Opening TE was kind of.

[Big T]

It was so awesome. And then we just, I had a stat here. It was like the most disgusting thing I've ever read.

[Eric]

Yeah, the tea on the field.

[Big T]

Yeah, that was.

[Eric]

That was cool.

[Big T]

Hang on. I had a. I had a stat. Oklahoma did not have its first red zone possession until there was 312 to go in the third quarter. They only had two red zone possessions in the game. Scored a touchdown on both. Tennessee had five red zone possessions. That went. Touchdown fumble. That was returned for an Oklahoma touchdown. Field goal. Missed field goal touchdown at the very end. Whatever. Tough the dumb game. Hey, basketball season tonight.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Big T]

Mercer, you're on the clock.

[Eric]

Mercer.

[Big T]

Yeah. Get ready.

[Eric]

I love that. I love. And you're very optimistic about this team.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think we're going to be nasty special.

[Eric]

Yeah, it'll be special.

[Big T]

Will be top five at some point this season, probably for a sustained duration.

[Eric]

I love that. I love that confidence that you've. That you've got going.

[Big T]

We've done a lot of sports today.

[Eric]

We have. Yeah. I mean, it's. It is sports.

[Big T]

Real.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Real sports podcast.

[Eric]

Really? That's right. Not just pop culture disguised as sports.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Pop culture with a bunch of inside jokes.

[Eric]

There's been. I saw this one stat from the Commanders. If I can just wallow in my own misery for a moment. We've lost our last three games by 21 or more points. That hasn't been done by any team in the NFL in five years.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Eric]

I would not have thought that.

[Big T]

I mean, that's got to be like the Browns, right?

[Eric]

It was the Jags. And guess what? I got news for you. Probably going to lose again by 21 points to the Lions.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

You got Lattimore out, which is crazy, saying that that's a piece that we're going to be missing.

[Big T]

But, I mean, probably the best game they've played in that stretch was with Marcus. Yeah, I guess several of them were. But the Chiefs.

[Eric]

The Chief. The first half against the Chiefs, who could forget? But yeah, it's. I think it's. It's going to continue to be pretty ugly. I also read a stat today. Big T. Guess how many. How many snaps the starting offense for the Commanders played together. The design starting off. And by that I mean Jaden Terry.

[Big T]

I know what the starting offense means.

[Eric]

Well, I'm not saying all 11 players.

[Big T]

Oh.

[Eric]

But Jaden Terry, Debo, Noah Brown and Echler.

[Big T]

Well, I mean, Echler was hurt from the jump, so probably like 16.

[Eric]

Zero.

[Big T]

I was going to say zero, but I figured it had to be more zero.

[Eric]

The. Yeah, they never played a single snap together all year, but again, we're Moving on past that. I'm just laser focused on getting to be incredible at golf right now and college basketball. I'm excited about college basketball being back.

[Big T]

It's the.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Who's the powerhouses? Give me. Give me five powerhouses so I can start because I haven't watched college basketball in a long time either, so.

[Big T]

So Purdue somehow has all their guys back for, like, the seventh consecutive year.

[Eric]

Yukon. Yeah.

[Big T]

UConn will be very good. BYU actually has the number one player in this class, and they have some good talent.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That happened.

[Big T]

Money.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Is he Mormon?

[Big T]

No. Although he. He has, like, tweeted out him going to, like, a Mormon temple and stuff. Just, you know, but he. No, he is not Mormon adjacent. Yeah, he's not a Mormon. BYU should be really good. Kansas has another, and Kansas will be really good. And Duke, who we played in a scrimmage, they have Carlos Boozer's twin sons, who. One of them is really good and one is just unbelievable. Cam Boozer, he had 24 points and 23 rebounds against UT in their scrimmage.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. All right. How's North Carolina looking? That was a North Carolina fan.

[Big T]

Girl.

[Eric]

They're. I think they're top 25.

[Big T]

They start every year in the top 25. It's a matter of how quickly until they're out of it. They are 33rd on Ken Palm. I don't know what the. The top 25 is, but.

[Eric]

So I guess they. They could be okay, but it could fall apart.

[Big T]

Kentucky is supposed to be very good as well. They spent reportedly like $25 million on their roster.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Big T]

Something like that. And then Florida, the reigning champs, who brought in Xavian Lee from Princeton and then brought pretty much their whole team back except Will Richard and the best part on the team, whose name was Walter Clayton. That was his name.

[Aryan]

They still have that really tall guy.

[Big T]

They have several, but, yeah. You're talking about French guy. Olivier Rue. Yeah, he's like 78 or something.

[Eric]

So he's.

[Big T]

But he doesn't even really play.

[Eric]

Is he going to play this year?

[Big T]

Maybe. I'm not sure.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Real quick, pivot, man. I need your advice. Well, not your advice, because whatever's going to happen is going to happen. Give me your. Give me your take on this, eric. So it's 135 to 147. I'm down in fantasy, and I'm mad because I finally got Brock Bowers back and this man went the fuck off and got me 43 points. Rest of the team kind of shit the bed, but I'm still In it. And everybody's gone on both teams except for I have Dallas's kicker and I'm down 12.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What are my chance?

[Eric]

Okay, my, my internal percentages like, much like I calculated JMU versus Indiana.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I need that rain man.

[Eric]

Okay. Down 12 and does your opponent have anybody?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Nope.

[Eric]

Okay. I, I put you at 35%. It's not bad because Aubry is special.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he showed up for me sometime this year. We are playing Arizona.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We. Yeah, we. They're playing Arizona and I guess you.

[Eric]

Know, you could score points on them.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But it depends on. We need, we need field goals. We don't need, we don't need extra points.

[Eric]

Yeah, you need field goals. And field goals are getting easier. Did you see the Jaguars kicker yesterday?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, like a 68 yard.

[Eric]

68 yard field goal NFL record.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It used to be 63.

[Eric]

60. Well that, yeah, it was 62 for a while, then 63, then 66 and then. Yeah, 68.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a long ass field though.

[Big T]

What a weapon.

[Eric]

Bombed it. It could have been good from 70.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think that's a wild idea. Kicking over half the field is insane.

[Big T]

Did you see Oklahoma's kicker do what. What he was wearing? Well, first of all, he made two 55 yard field goals. He was unbelievable. Go, go. Search the name Tate Sandell.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Big T]

He was wearing the most. It's a, it has to be the shorts violation. Yeah, he was wearing biker shorts.

[Eric]

So. Yeah, I, when I. So back in my day when I played football, they, they made you wear knee pads?

[Big T]

Yes. Like your pants had to cover your knees.

[Eric]

The kicker had to have knee pads on.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Man's got daisy, dude.

[Big T]

It was crazy and I can't believe like, I don't know if hypo said anything to the refs, but you're supposed to have to come out for a play if you have like a uniform violation.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'll keep it a bean. I'm okay with this.

[Big T]

I mean they don't enforce any of.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That anymore because I got, I got fined so many times for my neep. Not. They are letting them run amok and I'm for it. I'm just mad I missed that generation because few things. One, I believe if you look good, you feel good, you play good. I believe in that. And I was always under the impression like Frank Gore is one too. Covering your knees with knee pads, it don't do right. You rarely get hit on the knees like that. Especially as a running back. Like, we, you know, let us take that risk if that's what we want to do. Right.

[Big T]

They're also little foam.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's not doing anything, ain't going to do shit. And it. And more so than. Than looking good, it absolutely restricts your movement as a runner. And so I'm looking at these younger cats. They are. They're playing much more free. And I was a. I was a guy, I had a long stride, so my stride was everything. And I felt like I was so restricted running in a lot of those pants that they had us in. And it was all a uniform violation. That's why I couldn't do it. I got away with it a little bit in 2014, but they started finding me early on and I started pushing the boundaries. But like this, especially with kickers. I mean, I don't. With kickers anyway, so, I mean, they out there for one or two plays. Let them wear whatever's comfortable. I don't know. Who cares?

[Eric]

Yeah, I agree. The knee pads don't do anything to help if you're. If you're trying to protect against injuries. For a running back, all the injuries come because, like, your foot's planted in the ground. You get hit from the side on the knee, and so you've got an anchor in the ground, which creates a situation where it gets bent back a knee. Like, I don't think people are that worried about going out there and bruising their kneecap.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

N. It's not. It's. It might, but it's just like, who cares? Like, that's the risk we take when we play for you really care about player safety. Then stop hiding the concussion studies.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's true.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Out of here.

[Eric]

That's true. But yeah, I imagine that there's healthcare as a kicker. That helps. Yeah, you're free. Yeah, absolutely. I. I always thought that about basketball too. Like when we hit the peak. When was the peak of the baggy shorts movement? Like 2005, 2000s.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Early 2000s.

[Eric]

Yeah, some of those. It like, it made it way harder to dribble.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

There was a point where the M1 Mixtape dudes was about as famous as a lot of NBA players, though.

[Big T]

For the.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You from the youth anyways, not like the casual sports fan, but like from the youth. The. The draw that they had. Like, it was. It was a thing, man. Them and one Mixtape days.

[Big T]

Have you seen the and one documentary?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's great. Great documentary. One of my favorite basketball players of all time. Man, skip to My Lou Ray for Austin.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Legend. Street ball legend at Rucker Park. Man, I hope he's doing well. Dogs. Always a huge fan of him. When I was. When I was young. It's one of the only autographs I've ever gotten. Yeah, I was. We was at la. He came to LA and we went to the Animal mixtape tour in la. And all I had was like a little towel that they gave out. And he. I remember he was like. He's like, God, I'm tired of signing these towels. Because, like the. The marker don't really go on it. And I was like, oh, man. Just. Just not it though. I was little shout out to Rayford, though.

[Eric]

That's my raer.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Ray for.

[Eric]

Ray for Austin was great. Hot Sauce was incredible.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Hot Sauce.

[Eric]

The Professor.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The professor. He was. A little later after that's when it kind of started getting whack to me though.

[Eric]

Escalade.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Escalade. Same kind of that. That was. I guess, you know, he was. He was. He was a little earlier on, like, I was like the OG days, like Skip Hot Sauce. Main event. Future.

[Eric]

Half man, half amazing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Half man, half amazing. Ali Mo. He was probably a little later, but still he was. He was fire ao. That used to be my shit, dawg. Headache. Headache was cold.

[Eric]

Was there a. Was there a guy named Helicopter?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That was a little later on. I was like, I think four was the last mixtape where I was like, this is dope. 5, 6, 7. It started getting kind of ridiculous, but I think he was a little later on.

[Eric]

That was an era.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was. It was an error.

[Big T]

Indeed.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We used to. Because you had to. You had to go to the. I think foot action was a foot action. You had to go to foot action. Get. And one apparel and you get your tape. So we would go get like a pair of socks or something like that and then go get the tape. Great marketing. Because they. The tape was free. You had to go get apparel.

[Eric]

Great market. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Matter of fact, they changed multi million. Multi billion dollar businesses branding and marketing strategies. Nike copied them. Reebok copied them. They. They was ahead of the curve, man.

[Eric]

Yeah, it was great time. It was great. The reality show behind it, they knew how to put themselves out there. Yeah, it was dope. And then you had a bunch of people being like, these guys should be in the NBA.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I was one of them.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I didn't know what I was talking about, but yeah, I was one of them. I. I did think some of them could play like, so Hot Sauce. Probably not, you know, a lot of his was like, Karen. But I knew Skip could. I was. I used to bank for. I was like, yo, Skip could play in the NBA. Like, nah, none of that street ball works. Sure enough, he. He ended up playing. He got a nice little deal too. He played for Orlando. He played for Houston for a couple. Couple squads.

[Eric]

He had.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He had to me. That's why he's my favorite. He had the best skill set. Like, he could actually play ball. That's what I liked about him the most.

[Eric]

Did you watch watch the highlight of Giannis last week where he took six, six travel? Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I mean, it's. Throw it on a pile of the reasons why NBA is getting hard to watch, man.

[Eric]

I. I found a. A new favorite type of guy, and that is the guy that will defend travels online and explain why they're actually not travels.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's a gather step.

[Big T]

Yeah, he had a four gather step.

[Eric]

So you do the gather. You're allowed to get the gather step as he's collecting the ball, and then he establishes two plant feet and then he steps out, gets a pivot foot, and then he pivots off that. It's like, no. Or I could just watch it and say, that's six steps. Or I could just count when I run out of one hand to count the steps on. I don't care how many gather steps you're getting where the. Which one the pivot foot is, how you've established both. Don't really care about jump stops at that point. It's. If it's six steps, it's a travel whack, yo.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I found this guy on Instagram. Not related, but you said steps and it reminded me. I started following him. All he posts, all he posts all day is picture. He perfected walking backwards. And so he walks backwards to make it look like he's walking forward when he throws the video in reverse. So everybody around him looks like he was walking in reverse. And he's walking. It looks like he's walking forward. And he's just the coolest, smoothest. And there's no point to these videos or these posts, but I can't stop watching them, dog. It is so funny to me, dog.

[Eric]

I gotta find this. Where can I find this guy?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Robin Channing. R O B I N C H A N N I N G That's.

[Eric]

This is pretty incredible.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It is so dope, doc. It's so stupid, but it's so intrigued. I love watching it, dog.

[Eric]

And he.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And he'll, like, look back at the camera and he'll look around and everybody's walking backwards and he. He's walking forward like it's Fire Dog. I want to try that.

[Eric]

This guy's an athlete.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I like him. Innovator. This is what. This is what the Internet was made for, guys like this.

[Eric]

I love this. Mad Dog McKenzie. How are you guys doing? How was your weekend?

[Aryan]

Good. I watched my first rugby game thanks to pft.

[Eric]

That's right. The All Blacks and the Irish.

[Aryan]

Yes.

[Eric]

It was a pretty fun game, right?

[Aryan]

It was very fun. I have zero clue how rugby works, but it was fun to watch.

[Eric]

It was fun. The best play of the game didn't even count. It was at the, at the very end. Did you stay for the end of the game?

[Aryan]

I left a couple minutes before the end, but what was it?

[Eric]

Okay. It was just like a 60 meter try with like 11 offloads and passes. It was. It was awesome. And then that sound.

[Aryan]

Yeah, totally.

[Eric]

I think they said one of them might have been forward and so they called the try off. But it was still. It was cool. I can't find the clip of it everywhere or anywhere.

[Aryan]

I don't know what any of that means. But it was a really cool game to watch and I feel really bad for those boys. I was very. Again, thank you, pft. I was very close to the field. I could hear their bodies smashing into each other.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

In a way that I did not enjoy. And I cannot imagine that that feels good. And I only saw one boy wear a. I'm assuming their version of a guardian cap.

[Eric]

Yeah. The scrum cap.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Is that. Is it only supposed to be one person wearing that?

[Eric]

No, it's. It's. Well, it depends on what level you're. You're playing at. But I. I think they're much more common in non professional rugby for some reason than they are at the pro level. Okay. But yeah, I used to wear one sometimes when I would play.

[Aryan]

Yeah, I. I'm. They were getting thrown around.

[Big T]

They.

[Aryan]

It is crazy how they run into each other like that.

[Eric]

Yeah. I think at the, at the pro level you usually see guys that are in the scrum. Like the big dudes wear them and they're strictly to protect their ears pretty much like when they're doing that thing where they all slam into each other the scrum that you can get cauliflower. You're pretty nasty if you don't have those on. They don't really provide that much protection against a concussion. Okay. But it is something that's there that can. Like, I. I would have stitches sometimes. And then you'd have to put those on over top.

[Aryan]

Okay.

[Eric]

To make sure that those don't get taken out. Okay. But yeah, it's a. It's a violent sport, but they've done a pretty good job. They take the head to head stuff very seriously.

[Aryan]

I can imagine. Because there's nothing. They don't even have helmets or anything. Yeah, it's just straight up.

[Eric]

You're not allowed to hit anybody above shoulder, and if you do, it's usually just a red card. And so this is. This is something. The game may have passed me by. I didn't realize how a guy in Ireland got a red card. And then I looked up later and Ireland had the same 15 guys. Not the same, but they had 15 guys on the field. I guess it's a new rule now where if you get a red card, you have to play down a guy for 20 minutes, but then you can sub a person on and play at full strength just without the guy that got the red card.

[Aryan]

Okay. So I. I know what part you're talking about. And the person I was with was explaining to me, like, oh, if they got a red card, it means that they play one down for 20 minutes. And I said, that's a really long time to play. You know, one down on.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

But then I was looking at it and I was like, there doesn't seem to be a different amount of players.

[Eric]

On the field, though, because there's a lot of guys on the field in a rugby game. So, like, if it's a. If it's a soccer game and you get a red card, then you have to play with 10 people. That can be kind of noticeable.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Eric]

But in a. In a rugby game. Yeah. 14 verse 15. You can kind of get lost in that a little bit.

[Aryan]

But I was like, this doesn't seem that much. Yeah. Or I'm thinking, like, the only sport, I don't really watch it, but like, that I know that from is hockey, where it's like, if you're in the penalty box and then what is it? Like they have a power play if there's one more person. But what's hockey? Five on five.

[Eric]

Yeah. So it'd be five on four.

[Aryan]

So. Yeah, that's way more noticeable.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

So three times the amount of people. I was like, I can't really see this crazy of a difference.

[Eric]

Yeah, you only really notice it in terms of, like, positioning. And if it's somebody that's like in the back line that has got a red card, then they won't have Enough people back to like cover a kick and they'll be out of position a few times. And if it's somebody that's in the scrum, the big boys, then one scrum will just dominate the other because they've got eight verse seven in the scrum. But yeah, when you got 15 people out there, it's, it's, it's tough to really count on the field and be like, oh, yeah, this looks lopsided to me. But before the game, the, the. One of the coolest parts of the day was watching the haka from down on the field, which is the traditional New Zealand dance that they do before the game. You know, like the tribal war chants that, that they do. That was like, that was so intense to see in person. And there's. It's funny because going into these games, real diehard rugby players will be like, I wonder which haka they're going to do because there's multiple hakas that they break out for different occasions. And some are like winning hakas. Some, like, people break them down based off, okay, their record is like 74 and 5 when they do Kamate, and it's 35 and 20 when they do Kapa Pongo, which I think is the one that we saw before the game. But they've, they've nerfed Kappa A Pongo. They've nerfed it because in the past it used to end with the throat slit. Oh, yeah. And. And so that was like the most intimidating thing ever. They would, they would hit you with the throat slit at the end of it. And then in like 2007, they said, we're gonna stop doing the throat slit because it's too violent. But then they brought it back in the mid 2000 teens, and then I think it was like 2020, they took it away again. So we don't get to see the throat slit. Just make up your mind, are you.

[Aryan]

Gonna throat slip me or not?

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

But it was awesome. And every single person there was like, so freaking cool. Like, it was the coolest vibes.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

So many Irish people. So many Irish drunk people. I sat in front of a Macrodosian. He was very nice. He said, so I see you're not watching any college football today. I said, nope.

[Eric]

Good.

[Aryan]

But they were very nice, very intense vibes.

[Eric]

Yeah, it was, it was, yeah, for the most part, like a friendly audience because I think everybody there was just so happy to be watching some of the best rugby players in the world.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Eric]

In the United States, they did run out of Guinness, though. I tweeted that and that was a legitimate thing. They ran out of Guinness 10 minutes into the game. I was listening to a stadium operations person that was getting on the walkie talkie and that was panicking because they ran out of Guinness in the stadium, which is shout out to the Irish. Great job. Well done guys.

[Aryan]

It was really, really cool. I had a lot of fun. It was very interesting.

[Eric]

So there's going to be a third now because Ireland won the first one back in 2015, 2016 and now new Zealand won this one. So I think they're going to try to do it in like three years. They won't wait another 10 years. But I think there will be a third and I will be there no matter what.

[Aryan]

Why was this one in Chicago?

[Eric]

Because the last one was in Chicago too.

[Big T]

What?

[Aryan]

Just.

[Eric]

Cuz I think there's a. Yeah, there's a lot of rugby players in the Midwest, a lot of rug. There's like a built in good sized community and a lot of Irish people. A lot of Irish people here as well. And it was a sellout again.

[Aryan]

I mean it was crazy.

[Eric]

Yeah. Getting to see that in an NFL stadium. I don't know why the Bears let them do that, by the way. Well, it's not the Bears, it's the. The city of Chicago. But that field definitely got chewed up.

[Aryan]

Yeah, probably. It's also crazy. Like I had never been. That was my first time at Soldier Field.

[Eric]

Oh.

[Aryan]

And I was very overwhelmed by the experience. I don't think Bears games seemed that popping.

[Eric]

Leaving Soldier Field is one of the worst experiences in sports.

[Aryan]

I still think MetLife is the worst to leave.

[Eric]

Yeah, There's a few out there. Soldier Field just is annoying because you have to spend about an hour walking to get anywhere.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

But it was really fun. Thanks. Pft.

[Eric]

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[Big T]

I would love to see that.

[Eric]

I think it would look good.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What do you mean by clean for that man?

[Eric]

Like a nice tight, almost like a fade on the side. Feathered, shorter, shorter mullet but goes down to the shoulders for that man. I don't think you're. Matter of fact.

[Big T]

Are you talking like a Theo Vaughn look?

[Eric]

I don't want to, I don't want to say like Theo Vaughn, but why not?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Mullets are the worst haircut in existence. Dog.

[Eric]

I disagree. Bowl cut.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Naturally you think, no, I'll take a bow. I'll take a bowl over a mullet though. Mullets are bad.

[Eric]

You think like a classic bowl cut just like straight across you. You would take that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Talking about three three Musketeers. Bowl cut. Edna mold. Bowl cut. Way better than Mullers are horrible.

[Eric]

I think you're just being close minded. No, I think I could pull it off.

[Aryan]

How tight would you have it on the top and then how long would you have it out the back?

[Eric]

Pretty tight. I'd say probably like maybe 2 or 3 inches on the top, then down to the shoulders in the back.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like a spiked mullet.

[Eric]

Then I could spike it on special occasions.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Eric]

When I was feeling frisky, bruh.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd be looking at. Mullets are bad to me, man. This is my personal opinion, you know, don't, don't anybody. I don't want anybody to get all frat.

[Eric]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's just them shits are ugly to me though.

[Eric]

There was one guy on, on Ireland that had a, like a high ponytail. But Aaron, I was watching him before the game and we've talked about the, the edges on this show before and that's, that's primarily a thing in the black community when you have, you know, the, the edges that are really well done and you line up. Yeah. This guy, I, I don't know if he was 100 white. I don't know what his, what his background was, but he was, he was white presenting at least. And he had, he, he put edges on himself. Like he cut the first, the first strip of his hair was trimmed down to like, I don't know, just a few centimeters. And then he combed that out in the front. I've never seen that on a, on a white presenting individual before. Was not the strongest look.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I would have to see it. I don't know what that would look like.

[Eric]

Yeah. All right. Anything else you want to get into? Do we have voicemails? Let's hit a voicemail. Experian is your big financial friend helping you find ways to save, manage your credit and apply for cards labeled no Ding decline, no approval, no Ding Download the Experian app today.

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[Listener Caller]

Hey Mac and Pod. Love what you guys do. This is Alex from Minnesota. I just have a quick question. Mostly for Aryan and pft, to be honest. So my situation, really quick, just to give some groundwork, I guess I'm just getting out of like one of my most. The best job I ever had just didn't pay the best, I guess. But the connections I made were like amazing. The way I fit in was just amazing like never before, you know. And so I moved back home with my parents and it's been tough getting a job. So I'm curious, like, if you were in my situation, what would you guys do differently or what have you been through like in the past that maybe you could relate or something? Yeah. Also, Mac, you're really cute.

[Eric]

Sorry. Here we go.

[Aryan]

Thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I see you.

[Eric]

Right.

[Big T]

Snuck it in.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So the question was he, he has a. He has a job or he's having trouble getting a job and he moved back with his parents?

[Aryan]

Yes, I believe he is. Had to leave his last job that he loved because it wasn't paying enough. And then he moved back in with his parents and is struggling to find a new job.

[Eric]

How old was he?

[Aryan]

I don't know if it said his age. I don't think he said, I have.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

A, I have a take on this. I'm all for. And this is like contingent on your parents situation, right? If your parents are comfortable and, and, and they're fine. I'm all for being able to move back in to get on your feet. Right. I believe, I believe that that's what that was a parent before. Like I tell my babies all the time, like, you forever have a home with me. But there is something to be said about standing on your own too. Like there's a, there's a balance. Like if you have, if, hey, I gotta move back in, hey man, that's what you people afford. It brought you in the world. Right? But I, I do believe at some point you, you gotta, you gotta lock in and whether that is what, whatever that looks like my, myself personally, like I. And this is entirely, you know, situation, circumstances and everybody else. Um, I, I, I just, I told my mom when I was 18, this is when I, I was, I was undrafted. I hadn't, I was, My future was very uncertain. I took all my clothes out of her house, and I was like, yo, I'm not coming back. Like, I'll find, I'll figure it out. And whether that meant being sleeping in a car or I didn't care, I, I was just not gonna go move back in. My mom, my mom has so much to deal with that I wasn't going. I felt like I would have been a burden to her. Right. And like I said, this is entirely different situation. I don't know your circumstances and the dynamic, but that's just. Was my mindset was, I don't give a. I'm not going back home. But I, like I said, I want my kids to feel comfortable enough that if they find themselves struggling in the world, they always got a home with me. Always. And so, but it's, but it's a balance. Like, if I feel like my kids is, like, taking advantage of me, we're gonna have to have a conversation and there's gonna be, there's gonna be, you know, benchmarks that they have to hit in order to stay in my home with me. Right. They can't just be chilling. Like, we got to work towards being a better productive citizen. So it's, it's give or take. I, I think, I think in this economy right now, I think that's a smart move. I'm all for stacking, saving, and then finding your own way.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's a fair answer, I think. And this isn't like blanket advice for everybody, because everyone's circumstances, like Arian said, are different. But I do think that there's no shame at all in moving back with your folks if that's what it takes for you right now. I think the bigger circumstance is finding a job that you really, really care about, that you're passionate about, that you're good at. And for some people, they're money motivated and they want to make money by any means necessary, and that's what their goal is, and that can be fulfilling for them. But for other people, I think it's more important to find a job that you actually like, really deeply care about, because even if it doesn't pay that much money, I still think that being in that line of business or that line of work will lead itself to you being more fulfilled long term, where you will think of ways to make more money doing the same type of job, because you'll be thinking about your job. You'll be thinking about work even when you're not working. And you'll naturally find a way that will become more advanced, advantageous to you professionally, even if it's not that much money at first. And it might not be a situation where you're in an industry that you'll ever be rich by doing that job. But you could find a way to make much better money in that same job. You could find a way to do something that no one's ever thought of before in that same line of work and make a lot of money. But I think my personal advice would be to find something that you deeply care about and, and find a job in that realm and then kind of let everything take off from there. But that's. Everyone's circumstances can be different. It doesn't always work out the way that you had it planned up. You want to make sure that you're working with somebody that is a good person, that would have your best interest at heart as well, and that you're not being taken advantage of either. But, yeah, my first advice would just be to find something that you deeply care about and not try not to worry as much right off the bat at how much money is coming in and, and figure out a way to, to work your way up in that field. That's, that's kind of the direction I would point you in. And again, I don't know how old this person is either. So, you know, I, I don't know if we're talking to somebody that's in their early 20s, somebody in their early 30s, but a lot of times in your 20s, you get caught up by looking at people that are around you and see how much money they're making and how successful they seem to be. And then you kind of. You will pressure yourself into doing something that you might not actually love. And you just feel like you have to keep up and try not to fall into that trap. Just focus on, on finding something that you are passionate about and that makes you excited when you wake up in the morning. And then hopefully from there, the money will follow.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's great advice. I will add two things because you mentioned something. There is something to be said about, you know, looking at the Joneses in your 20s and say, oh, look, they look what they doing, look what they had, like, lock in on what you do. But that shit can also happen in your 30s, too. Like, you don't have to have it all figured out. In your 30s, man. I see a lot of peers that are in my age group that are, you know, struggling still. And that's all right, you know what I'm saying? That's all right. But you know, by the time it's ticking and it is time to, to get in gear. But so I would say the second piece of advice is if you are living with your parents, don't treat it like living with mom and dad. And we chilling, right? Treat it like, yo, I don't want to be a burden to this household. I want to be an asset to this household. And that I was taught young, how you do anything is how you do everything. So they shouldn't have to ask. You should never leave a dirty dish in the sink. You should always clean up and pick up that yourself. Little shit like that. I think a lot of people move back into their parents and it's just like when they grew up and your mom's gonna do your laundry and I'm like, don't do that. You're a grown man now. You know what I'm saying? Like that's how you start to get into correct mindset in order to live on your own and provide for yourself. It's like little shit like that, making sure that you are a ghost. Like they don't notice any negative consequences of you living with them. That's all positive. Damn. He's really been an asset since he moved back in. He's helping around the house. He's doing things. I'm not even asking him to do nothing. I know a lot of people and that doesn't sound like I'm talking to a child. But it's not like there's a grown adults who live with people that just expect people to take care of them and stuff like that. Like I said, I don't know you brother. But I would get other advice. If I was never to stay with anybody and I would find myself in some hard times, that would be my first thing is I'm an asset here and I'm going to be out the way. This is not my space. This is not my home. If you want your space and want your home, go grind to go get it and tell them you're a guest and treat that shit like with respect. Cause that shit can get annoying. Family members moving in and they feel entitled. You on like, let's say you little shit, right? Little shit like you on they couch, on they side of the couch and that's where they sit and you just happen to be that shit pisses people off. They might not say nothing. You know what I'm saying? But that shit makes people upset, and that can turn into resentment over a certain period of time. So you also make sure that you are asset and you not. Hey, man, if anything I could do to improve, like, let me know. Always, Always tap in and check and communicate. That would be advice I give.

[Eric]

Yeah. And living with your folks, it might. It might not always feel like the best setup that you got, but, you know, in a couple decades, you look back on that and be like, that was kind of cool that I got to spend more time with my parents.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Springboard. Yeah. Oh, I saw a status cray. I told my daughter this. I don't know how accurate it is, but I think it was like 85 of the time that you want to spend with your people is before you leave college. That's wild.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

To think about. That's a lot of the time, like. And so you go on about your business. So if you. If you happen to be with your family, I enjoy that. Yeah, that's a. That's a good point as well, because that's why I. I. My pop, she's 65 now. 60. Something like that. And, you know, when you start to see your parents age, it kind of like you can. You can feel it a little bit, man. You get a little emotional sometimes. So at any point, I'm always like, yo, pops come through. You know, moms, you know, I'm always trying to visit anytime I can, because that, hey, this time ain't waiting for nobody, man. I was talking to my nephew. I just think it's 20. My nephew's 20 something. And I'm like, I don't feel 39. You know, my mind is still that young, ambitious little kid, but I don't feel. Feel what? My body telling me I am. And that's. And. And you talk to old folks, they feel the same way. 80 years old, they're like, I don't know what happened. I just wake up. Time get us all, dog. So enjoy that.

[Eric]

But in the moment, if you're, like, in your early 20s and you're. You're living with your parents, I. It does feel like it's. It could cramp your style a little bit.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You cramping they style.

[Eric]

That's true.

[Big T]

Go live somewhere else.

[Eric]

They would.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They. They trying. They trying to knock the cobwebs off. And you over here, cock block.

[Eric]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right.

[Eric]

We got another voicemail.

[Aryan]

Yep.

[Listener Caller]

What's up, Macrodosing crew? My name's Barrett. First of all. Arian, you're looking for a dog. I think you should get a corgi. We've got one just the most happy. Go. Lucky dog. You know, it always matches the vibe. If we go on walks or hikes, it's down. If we want to take a nap, it's always down for that. Sometimes it'll sleep until about noon in the afternoon, 12 o'. Clock. So can't beat that. But they can be a little stubborn too, and independent. So it's up to you if you want to have fucking corgi hair everywhere. And then a question I wanted to ask is what is the optimal city population for you guys to live in? I've lived in a town ranging from 2000 people all the way to a city that was about 750 in the metro area, and now I live in one at about 90,000 people. And I gotta say this, is this 90,000 cities about hitting the sweet spot for me just in terms of not being too heavy on the traffic, but having enough stuff to do and, you know, all the grocery store being two minutes away. So let me know what you guys think, what the optimal city size is for you. Love the pod. Thanks, Bye.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

First and foremost, my brother, I appreciate your suggestion and I will not be getting this little rat looking.

[Eric]

I love corgis, man. Corgis are cool.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Cory. Hell no, I ain't getting that. This. He has a nerve to say he's gonna be. Have an attitude and independent. Independent? What, you, you, you need me to feed you dog food or you gonna die on these streets? You better not have the nerve to be independent, you little, you little muskrat looking.

[Eric]

But hell no, they're cute. They're little gremlins.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Your dog, of course, my brother. No, no, no disrespect to the college dog, but the one I'm looking at on the screen for me, I need, I need a dog that has a little bit of like, something to him, you know what I'm saying? Like, I need a killer. I need somebody who, like, if you look at him, you're like, I ain't.

[Eric]

No, I ain't with him.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, he's soft with me, you know, lady in the bed with a freaking street. No, swipe. Lady in the streets with freaking. A bed. I need that dog.

[Eric]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Nice to the family. Lovable, lovable. But I need a killer. When you look at him, hey, I'm back. I'm like, don't worry. He, he, he's, he's cool if you cool?

[Eric]

Yeah. No, Blake's kind of that way. I got. So I got pulled over on Saturday morning here in Chicago, and the. The cops did not want any part of approaching my car. It was pretty great.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

A lot. Because Blake.

[Eric]

I like that Blake was in the.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Back, like, anti police. Okay, okay.

[Eric]

Blake was in the back seat, and he was just. Just barking his head off.

[Big T]

Super.

[Eric]

Because you got two strangers coming up to the car. He doesn't know what they. They look like they mean business. And Blake's just like, I'm going to let them know that I'm here. And so I just cracked the window, and they. They stepped back a little bit from the car, and they were, like, shouting their questions because they didn't want to get too close to Blake. I was like, that's a good boy. That's a good dog right there.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Yeah, I need one of them. I need.

[Big T]

What were you doing?

[Eric]

But, like, some administrative issues with the car. I might not. I might not be the best at. At updating registration stickers.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm so at that. Yeah, I'm horrible with that. I am not like a good adult when it comes to like that.

[Eric]

And then the. The. I. I had the New York license, and the cop looked at that, and he was like, how long have you lived here? And I was just like, a little bit.

[Big T]

I'm pretty. That's like 90 days. You have to. To get it. Yeah, you're supposed to.

[Eric]

Yeah, three months. He was like, how long is a little bit? I was like, just a little bit. I was not gonna. I was not gonna.

[Big T]

So you never told him?

[Eric]

Never told him. And then after, like, a couple seconds, meanwhile, Blake's barking in the background, and after a couple seconds of that little standoff, he's like, okay, you know, it's a citation if you've been here longer than 90 days and you haven't changed your license. I was like, yeah, don't have to. Don't have to say anything.

[Big T]

And that was it.

[Eric]

No, if he had pressed harder, I just would have been like, I would. I'd prefer not to answer, respectfully, sir. But, yeah, we. We had.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

There was one cop, Sovereign citizen. You hit him with the sovereign citizen.

[Big T]

You don't have to answer.

[Eric]

There's a reason that they're asking you those questions, and it's not to try to get you out of getting a ticket, right?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't answer questions, sir. I don't have a question.

[Eric]

Yeah, be respectful. I'm not. I'm not like the sovereign citizen or anything. Like that just There's. I'd like to assert my Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate myself.

[Big T]

You will never answer a question that will get you out of something that a cop has already decided you have done.

[Eric]

Correct.

[Big T]

If they are asking you questions, and obviously if you're getting pulled over, that's one thing. But, like, if you were the suspect of a crime.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Big T]

You are never going to talk yourself out of it.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So you should never say anything.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I got pulled over one time, and I was speeding, clearly. But he was following me for, like two miles, and I was jamming, was not paying attention at all. Just. And I had, like, some shoes, and I was.

[Eric]

I was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

When I had a test, I had some shoes in my. In my rear. Rear Rear window. Jesus Christ. And I couldn't. I couldn't see behind me. Really that bad. So he was flying for like two miles, and he hit the Pull over that on the. On the mayfall. I said, oh. And I pulled over. He's like. He's like, why are you having me following you? I was like, no, I did not hear you, dog. That's my fault. Hands up. I was like, why you pulled me over? He's like, you were speeding. I was like, you're correct.

[Big T]

I was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

My brother. It was a black dude gave my license a little bit.

[Big T]

A little bit.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

A little bit of privilege. Came back and said, hey, man, slow down. I said, you're right, dog.

[Big T]

Was this college NFL.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

This is. This is. This is post career. This is in Houston.

[Big T]

Oh, really?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. You know, putting the oblonged ball over a line has got me out of. Got me out of life.

[Big T]

That's a benefit to staying in Houston. Is that like, you know, if you move to somewhere else, name recognition fades over time, but Houston, you'll always have it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I don't pull it. I just gave him a license. I was ready to take my ticket. He, you know, he showed love. It's the Brooklyn way.

[Eric]

But the question was from the guy, what's the perfect size city to live in?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, shit. Yeah. I was at like, 200,000.

[Big T]

So, see, I always. I. When I say the population of a city, I always say the metro.

[Eric]

Yeah, Metro area.

[Big T]

So I looked this up because you're talking about the actual population.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. So, like, the actual.

[Big T]

So, like, I was in Knoxville this weekend, and every time I go back to Knoxville, I like it more. Knoxville's actual population is 198. Metro is 870. I think that's. And I was going to say about that size. It's got a downtown that has stuff to do, nice little area, but you have plenty of space to live. There's not insane traffic all the time.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's, that's, that's my metric. I want it big enough to where like I have good hospital equipment if I need it, but small enough to where, like I, I don't got to worry about the track being crazy.

[Eric]

Right?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like, that's, that's my metric.

[Eric]

And that's perfect for like a big college town too, because they got good hospitals there.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, naturally they should.

[Eric]

Yeah, I guess. But no, you're right. Like people will look at the United States and be like, I wanna move to New York City. It's been my dream to move to New York.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Why?

[Big T]

I agree with you.

[Eric]

Why, why would you ever willingly want to live in New York City?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

A lot of movies make that shit seem cool as fuck. Lot of pop culture stuff. But New York is not the way. I don't like it. I love to visit. Yeah, visiting is amazing. 3, 4 days fun. Love it.

[Big T]

But living there, to any prospective New Yorkers, just understand you need to make 150 grand to have like an acceptable quality of life.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Now. And now if you, if you're going to go make 200, you can live fine in New York and probably have a pretty good time.

[Eric]

But there's also the thing about New York is unless you make an obscene amount of money, you still have to deal with a lot of the same stuff that makes New York hard to live in.

[Big T]

Yeah, you're taking the subway.

[Eric]

Yeah. If you're a billionaire, then I'm sure it's fantastic to live in New York.

[Big T]

For sure.

[Eric]

Get your helicopter ride down to the shore or I guess probably not the Jersey shore if you're a billionaire. Probably to probably the Hamptons.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Probably commuting every day from Greenwich, Connecticut. Probably a pretty good life for that guy, I would say. Yeah, like 200,000 is a really good sweet spot for city. Very good. Now what's, what's the best city out there right now? The best small city out there right now that is still kind of under appreciated. And one that doesn't have a lot of traffic either. Is. Is there a next up city that we should be talking about more?

[Aryan]

I have two options. One may be out of this race is Charleston next up or is Charleston already here?

[Eric]

It's here.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Okay. Charleston. I'm biased because I just really enjoy when I go there. Minneapolis rules.

[Big T]

It's a major city.

[Eric]

Twin cities. There's two of them.

[Aryan]

Oh, is that too big of a city to count?

[Eric]

No, I mean, I appreciate you putting Indianapolis or Minneapolis on the map. Do they have.

[Aryan]

I love it there.

[Eric]

What's the traffic situation like up there?

[Aryan]

I've been there twice for like a weekend and I experienced like little to no traffic. That was upsetting to me.

[Eric]

If there's, if there's a major city in America that has good traffic, I feel like that goes a long way into quality of life.

[Aryan]

And I also like it because the airport is extremely close to the city and so it's not like the hellhole that is the o' Hare International Airport.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Where I have to drive so far away to get there. It's right there.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Chat GPT gave me Greenville, South Carolina. Chattanooga, Tennessee, which I did consider mentioning. Asheville, North Carolina. I feel like that's blown up at this point. Danville, Virginia, Danville Bordertown and Rutland, Vermont Braves affiliate. Used to be in Danville, Virginia.

[Eric]

It's. I actually haven't been there in a very long time, but when I was a kid, Danville was, was nothing to write home about.

[Big T]

Says very strong affordability, downtown revitalization. Good fit for those seeking quieter lifestyle or lower cost base.

[Eric]

Also pretty close to the Jersey or to the Carolina shore, which is nice. The Outer Banks. Let's look up the major cities.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Temecula. Temecula is like the middle point from San Diego and la. Yeah, that's a nice city.

[Eric]

When I think of Temecula, I just think of the guy that tried to fight a dude on Christmas Day.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You remember that down there?

[Eric]

I think they were arguing about Kobe.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think so. I remember that story.

[Eric]

And they drove to Temecula on Christmas to meet a stranger to fight him.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's hilarious. Gotta log off, fam. Although I have told plenty of people to pull up.

[Eric]

So I, I also. Big T just asked Chat GPT for the best major cities in terms of traffic. Abu Dhabi was number one.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Eric]

Al Baja, Saudi Arabia was number two. And Taif, Saudi Arabia was number three.

[Big T]

I don't.

[Eric]

Who's funding Chat GPT right now?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Foreign.

[Big T]

I'm not drawing any inferences from that.

[Eric]

No. Well, I don't think women are allowed to drive there. So that cuts down on traffic by 50%.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It might have a point, actually.

[Eric]

I don't know the traffic. I don't know the traffic laws. I do know that when I was growing up, yeah. Women couldn't drive in Saudi Arabia. Okay. So now this is telling me in America, the top two Detroit Michigan and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, are number one and two. Oklahoma City had the least traffic congestion in the world in 2023 for a city of its size. Okay. All right. I could see myself living in Oklahoma City.

[Big T]

Professional sports team. Professional sports championship caliber.

[Eric]

The tornadoes would get old.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Tornadoes. I'm out. Fuck, yeah.

[Eric]

That'd be terrifying. It's just like at any given time, the whole city might just be destroyed.

[Big T]

I feel like that's a city, too, where if someone asks you where you're from and you say Oklahoma City, they make a value judgment on you just based on you saying that, like, okay, you're a middle of the country, like, bland. There's nothing interesting about you.

[Eric]

Maybe your parents are billionaires. Maybe your mom's an Internet sensation who doesn't cook her own cookies.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Who is this?

[Eric]

No, this is what I would say.

[Big T]

This is just what he would think.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, okay.

[Big T]

It. It sounds remarkably specific, but that's very specific.

[Eric]

You got to recognize your kids.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Maybe put.

[Eric]

Maybe kids are more famous than you are. I don't know. I don't know if I'd say all that. All right, well, that was this week's macrodosing nano dosing. We will see you guys on Thursday to get back into it. Oh, Aryan, do you want to save. Oh, do you want to save the murder mystery stuff?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's passed.

[Eric]

Give us a complete rundown on the murder mystery stuff on Thursday's show. Can you do that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Just remind me. Fct.

[Eric]

Okay. I'm writing it down right now. Microdosing, macrodosing. Wednesday, full rundown on the murder mystery party Man Hunted.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Grange.

[Eric]

Love it. All right. Love you guys. See you then.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Peace.