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Josh Pate Gives A Behind The Scenes Look At His Interview With Donald Trump | Macrodosing - March 3, 2026
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Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple podcast, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.
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I stopped listening to your answer when you brought up Nestle Crunch. Are you a crunch bar guy?
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C
I've been known to be one.
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B
I love this guy. Man, you crunches. My crunch is my one. One.
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A
That's your one. Pick over Mr. Goodbar.
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B
You could talk me into KitKat and then crunch. Yeah, two relatives in the same family. But I'm a crunch guy.
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B
Always.
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A
Always looking forward to interfacing. Not a lot happened this weekend. So I don't know. What do you guys want to talk about?
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B
Yeah, kind of a light show.
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A
We can just talk about college football.
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B
We have college football coming up. College football coming up.
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A
Yeah. College football coming up on the eights. Yeah. So are we at war?
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B
It doesn't seem like it yet.
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A
Conducting airstrikes. Yeah, lots of striking and lots of airstrikes. We're in the talking stage against war, against Iran. So we've kind of seen this coming for a while. There's been a big build up in the Middle east and on Friday night, Saturday morning, we initiated a lot of airstrikes and we killed the ayatollah reportedly and then like 40 of the next in charge.
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B
Can I ask something before we really get into it? Are we'd been stationing ships and planes and stuff there for weeks.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And they still let their leader get killed instantly. I mean, kind of like what war is to be had.
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A
Yeah. I mean, I guess it's just they, they realized that they weren't going to be able to like to hide out, to have everybody hide from the.
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B
But he was like just in his house. Right. I don't know where it didn't think to move houses.
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A
I don't know where it was, but I think he was. There was some sort of a meeting with a lot of the top brass in Iran and they got taken out. Now if I'm putting on my conspiracy hat, I. I'm a viewer of the TV show Tyron, I don't know if
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B
you've seen it, you've recommended. I haven't watched it yet.
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A
So they had like. I don't know if it was a series finale or the season finale I watched on Friday and then like three hours later were actually at war with Iran. Kind of crazy. Yeah. That's when I think it came out on Friday. And then, I don't know. Is this a big. It's like a big viral ad for Apple tv. Who's to say? But yeah, we've. We launched a lot of strikes. F35s, F15s, F22s, a lot of B2s, some B1s getting in the game. We did have I think three or four F15e Strike Eagles shot down this morning in Kuwait. And I just want to say get out there. A lot of people are saying now the F15 is 104 and 3 lifetime because it got shot down three times today. We're talking about air to air kills here. Okay. It appears that what happened was it was shot down by ground defense systems in Kuwait. Friendly ground defense systems by mistake. Which lends itself to an entire new line of questioning of why did the Patriot systems there not have their friend or foe identification in sync with these F15s? But for the record, as of right now, the F15 Eagle still 104 and oh, lifetime in the skies.
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B
So I hadn't seen this. Have you seen this video?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Of the guy, the pilot of the F15 that got shot down. I guess he ejected in time and these guys in Kuwait come and find him and, and help him.
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A
Yeah. So I, I believe that everybody survived the ejection There were some minor injuries from what I've seen, but I don't think a pilot was killed. But losing four of those aircraft is like, it's, it's not nothing. But I don't think that it was shot down by Iran. In fact, from what I've heard, the only air to air kills that have happened have been from an F35 that shot down maybe some MiG 29s. The, the F20, the poor F22. I don't know if you can figure out a why can't I say this word? Corollary. Corollary in terms of sports or anything else. Big t. But the F22 has been next up and it's been like the goat of the skies and it still hasn't shot anything down. So it's been the unquestioning air dominance fighter for the last like 30 years. Nothing's with it, but it doesn't have any confirmed kills air to air. Besides the Chinese spy balloon. It shot down that balloon off the coast of South Carolina a couple years ago. But it's been like in and around combat. But when we deploy it, opposing air forces, they just kind of like keep their grounded because they're like, if it flies, it dies with the F22 in the combat theater. So it's like so good that it hasn't had a chance to kill yet. Wow.
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B
What does one of those F15 cost?
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A
I don't know what an F15 cost. Not as much as the F35, because the F15 is like an old platform from the 1970s, 1980s, but it's been upgraded recently. So the F15Es are, they're not cheap.
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B
Wall Street Journal just published an hour ago. 30. Oh, only 31 million. I would have guessed three, four times that.
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A
Yeah, yeah, they're, they're older platforms.
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B
Okay.
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A
Like missile trucks. You can put a bunch of on them. So I guess we're kind of at war. I don't know what the objectives are. I do have what the most, the most recent report from the White House is on our objectives, if you'd like to hear. Because they're saying it's not regime change.
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B
So that is my biggest question in all of this, is why.
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A
Yeah, it's, there's a couple different explanations for it. One, we're saying that they can never have a nuclear weapon. But we've kind of been in this dance and negotiation back and forth with Iran for the last 20 years. 30 years. 30 years. And we have been negotiating with them to the point where we Had a deal in place. We tore that up. Then we bombed their nuclear weapons manufacturing facilities. And then we said that we got all of them, but now we have to take them out again because the regime will use nukes if they have them, which they don't. And we want to prevent that from ever happening. Now we're saying it's to liberate the Iranian people, which, listen, I told a bad guy, the regime, bad regime, bad, bad people in charge. But now we don't really have a plan for who. What's going to happen afterwards. Again, it just. We can do this to any country on Earth. That's the thing about the United States military.
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We.
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If we wanted to, if you gave us a month, two months to figure out how to take out the leadership of any country on the planet and how to get past their air defenses and how to fight an aerial battle, that way we could do it and we could dominate at it. But then what? Now we're in the then what category where who knows what's going to happen after this? So I'm seeing that we killed 49 of the most senior Iranian regime leaders. So that's now. Now we're like, who takes over the country?
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B
I don't know.
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Getting PTSD from Iraq.
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Yeah, I mean, no pun. We don't have. We don't have boots on the ground. We're not ruling out putting boots on the ground. But also they said that one of the airplanes that was used in these strikes were the, the A10s. And the A10s are close air support planes, which you don't use those. Except if you have boots on the ground. They're a plane that like, comes in to help out your troops that are on the ground. So I don't know if we do have boots on the ground. We're just not talking about it. But I don't know why we'd send those planes in if we didn't have them.
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D
Yeah, I don't know. This is. It's a very nuanced situation, but I got a homegirl who's, who's from Iran, and she was extremely happy that that dude was killed. Like, she was like almost crying and so was her mom. And so again, I was a nuanced situation, but just gotta see how it plays out. I don't know. I'm anti war, but
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B
I think it's just all very confusing right now. Like, there doesn't seem to be a clear message on why now nobody is pro Khomeini.
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A
Like, no, it's a Good.
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B
It's a good thing that he's dead pending whatever happens after that. But it just seems like nobody's really clear on why this is going on, what the end goal is. Is this going to be a perpetual thing. Like there needs to be a clear message.
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And I don't know if we have a clear message like in Iraq. If anyone out there is too young to remember the start of the Iraq war, it started out being like, this is because they have weapons of mass destruction and they're going to destroy the world. And then the second we started the invasion, it became, oh, we're actually here to liberate the Iraqi people and they're going to greet us as liberators, which they did. Like we took over the country, they tore down that statue of Saddam Hussein. There's inner fighting factions that have that, that were in place in Iraq that a lot of people were excited to see Saddam go because Saddam was a bad guy and he killed a lot of people and he gassed the Kurds and he was just a very, very bad human being and the regime sucked. But then afterwards, now that we've quote unquote liberated that country, what do we do afterwards to make sure that it just doesn't become rife, a rife feeding ground for terrorism for people that now have no job, no direction, and enormous caches of weapons that they can take over. And then a hatred for the United States who just destabilized their entire country. That's what the question now becomes. And Iran has a shit little weapons. I don't know if we're going to be as dumb as we were in Iraq where we take over the country and then we just kind of fire their entire military. And now you've got hundreds of thousands of military aged males on the street not getting paid and it's like, what do they do? I don't know if we have thought that through for Iran. I don't know if we're even going to address it. But our objectives seem to be going back and forth between liberating the country from bad leadership, which is a legitimate thing, that they've got leaders. And there's a lot of people who are very thankful that that leadership is gone, which I understand there's that aspect, there's getting rid of any of their weapons of mass destruction, which I don't know if that was ever a real thing, a real threat that they had. And then there's, they are the world's number one sponsor of terrorism, which kind of just means that they supply weapons and, and that sort of thing to other like, quote, unquote, terroristic organizations around the world. I say quote, unquote because there's a lot that are legitimately, yes, terrorism, but then we can always just designate whatever group that we're currently fighting against as a terrorist and then be like, why is Iran giving them weapons? So there's, this is very complicated. I don't know if everyone's thought through the long term aspects outside of where the United States. And we can dominate any country in the world with our air superiority, which we did. And we proved that, like, Iran had some great, in theory, great weapon systems that they had that they thought could handle a lot of our Air Force and a lot of our Navy. And our strategy was just, it worked pretty good for us in the initial 36 hours, but I don't know what our strategy is for after that. And that's what we have to keep an eye on.
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And it's, it feels odd to me. Y' all tell me if, if you disagree with this. It feels like there isn't even really a party differentiation in, like, people's thoughts on this. Like, I think now there are some people who just hate Trump. Anything that Trump does, whatever. But even Trump supporters generally, I think are like, like, I saw a tweet from Matt Walsh earlier today that was like, well, okay, so we were told it was to destroy their nuclear arsenal, but we already did that. It's not for regime change. But we decimated their entire regime. It's not to free the Iranian people, but now maybe they're free. Just nobody really knows what to make of anything.
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Yeah, I mean, they've, we've heard the Iranian regime constantly refer to us as being the Great Satan and Israel as being the little Satan. And in standing with Israel, I think that was a pretty big force where Netanyahu wanted help and wanted support in this fight against Iran. So now it's like we've got ourselves an alliance fighting this country that wasn't really a direct threat to us at all. And now we're maybe getting involved in another long term quagmire in the Middle East. But as JD Vance said, the difference is all those presidents that we used to have were dumb, and now we don't have a dumb president. So we'll figure it out this time. But here's the thing, all right, I've seen people saying, like, you don't have the information that the government has, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. In my lifetime, I'm just going to do this See if I can think of it off the top of my head. Ronald Reagan was the first president. When I was born, Ronald Reagan did the Iran Contra thing where he was doing arms for hostages, lied to the American people about what was going on with that. George H.W. bush got us into the Iraq war, volume one, with Kuwait to. But. But he also was involved in funding both sides of Iran and Iraq when they were fighting with each other. So they lied to us about what was going on with that as well. Then Bill Clinton fired some missiles at, like, a soap factory, and that one might have been in Africa, but there was another one that was in the Middle east to distract us from getting a blow job for Monica Lewinsky and said that was under the name of defending us. Also the USS Cole disaster that we then did not respond to, which became 911 with Al Qaeda. Then George W. Bush going to war with Iraq because It was about WMDs, but really it was because they tried to kill his dad. And then after that, Obama shooting a bunch of missiles at American citizens overseas, ignoring atrocities in Yemen, bombing people in Yemen. Then you have Syria. Then you have Syria. And then you have the initial Trump administration and the Biden administration ignoring Saudi blockades of Yemen, where now we've got hundreds of thousands of people dying over there that we kind of don't care about because of our business interests with Saudi Arabia and a lot of different things going on with how we've treated Iran via negotiation or via threats of warfare now via warfare. So it seems to me like for the last 40 years that I've been alive, we've got a pretty good track record of having our leaders lie to the American people about what we're doing in that part of the world. So I'm going to be skeptical until I hear good reason why we should be doing it and why we should be over there with any sort of, like, permanent stake outside of the oil that comes through the Strait of Hormuz. But it feels like that's what most of it is about usually over there. I don't think that we would particularly care about that part of the world if they weren't so vital to getting gas. I don't think that's. Is that lib of me to think that. I don't think that's lib. I think that's pretty realistic.
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D
That's pretty on brand for the U.S. didn't Trump say like last year that we struck Iranian nuclear sites?
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Yeah, we did.
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Yeah, we did. And so that's Midnight Hammer.
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That's what's, that's what's confusing, I guess because he said it was totally obliterated, but now we're taking out their missiles.
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You know, I'm not a conspiracy world,
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but you know, the streets is talking. Streets talking. We could be carrying Israel's lunch form, doing a dirty work. Yeah, that would also be on brand format. Like I said, I don't know, but streets are talking.
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Iran has, they've definitely funded a lot of the terror against Israel, a lot of the attacks against Israel. They've been key to a lot of the violence that's happened over there. So I would understand why Israel would want some help in taking them out, which we have been happy to provide. But again I, I go back to like what we said when we did this in Venezuela. Like did, did your life get better? I don't know that it did. I don't know that anyone's life here got. But now it is. If you're an Iranian citizen that has lived under that regime, yes, 100%, your life, your life did get better. And there's a lot of people in the United States that have family back over there that hated that regime. Yes, your life is better with the absence of that regime. But then what's going to spring up in its place afterwards? And how stable is that country going to be afterwards? That's the question that you have to, we have to wait and find out.
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D
This is a dumb planet.
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It is a dumb planet. This is dumb plan. But I, again, the most important thing you can take away from this is that the F15s did not get shot down in an air to air combat situation. So the 1040 lifetime record that stands to this day.
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B
How many planes get shot down air to air these days anyway?
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Not a lot. Not a lot. So if you ever have, I don't know the exact numbers, but like if you get one pilot that shoots down two aircraft, that's like a big day in terms of global aviation. You remember that Pakistani and Indian Air force battle that we had? That was the biggest air battle that we've had since World War II. Because you just don't, you don't see it as much anymore with planes that are now shooting like a hundred mile missiles.
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B
Right.
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So you don't really get into the dog fights anymore.
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B
And also the ground to air stuff
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is so advanced that you're way more likely to get shot down via an ground to air, surface to air missile.
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B
Right.
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Than you are anything else. By the way. There's been, there's Been so much, so much video game content that's been passed off as being.
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B
I. I got. I got. Got by one.
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A
Yeah, there's been a lot of it. Did you get caught by that. That plane that was like flying away from the missile. That missile. Here, here's.
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B
That's a video game.
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A
It's a video game, but it's like in that movie Behind Enemy Lines with Owen Wilson, when you see a plane that's like flying around and a missile that's just chasing it the entire time. That's not how it works. Like, the missiles are so much faster than the planes are, where if there's a missile that's going to hit a plane, it's going to slam into it. Really. It's not going to be chasing it like through the woods or anything.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And yeah, if. If a plane is like going about the same speed as a missile, that the plane's going to win, I guess, steer away from it.
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B
I guess I can say I didn't get got because I saw it and I kind of. I assumed it was real, but I checked and then I found that it wasn't. So I guess I didn't get got completely.
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There you go. It's been. Yeah, there's. But I've seen a lot of people that have gotten got by. By video game content recently.
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I trusted, but then verified.
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A
Yeah. So in conclusion, Ayatollah Khomeini is dead. I died like a dog, I think. Died like a dog. I think my mood, a minute. A job might be dead as well.
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B
Saw that.
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A
I didn't know he was Michigan.
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B
University of Michigan.
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A
He's a big. He's a big Wolverine fan. Yeah.
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B
Is that true?
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A
Yeah, it is.
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B
Yeah, that's real.
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There's some great tweet. He's had some sports takes over the years. Yeah, look it up.
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B
I remember his name from 10, 15 years ago. I didn't know he was still around.
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Yeah, he's been. He's been hanging around for a while, so I think he's dead. Pretty much their top 50 people are dead. Trump said. Now the problem that we're running into is we've killed so many of the guys that we had maybe pegged to take over the country that who knows what's going to happen.
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B
Here's an article from the Detroit Free Press in October of 2018. Ex Iran President says Michigan football will return to glory days. Yeah, I did not know this. What is his connection?
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I don't know. Did he go to school there? He's also been Very vocal about Colin Kaepernick over the years.
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D
What are you talking about?
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The former president of Iran, Mahmoud, a minute ago.
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D
No, I'm saying, what is he. What is he talking about?
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About cap. That. That cap should be back in the league. Okay.
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Yeah. What? Okay, so here's a tweet from September of 2018 from him. The NFL season will start this week. Unfortunately, once again, Kaepernick is at. Kaepernick 7 is not on an NFL roster, even though he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And then someone said, dear Mahmoud, we have much bigger problems here. Michigan is 8 and 8 in its last 16 games under Jim Harbaugh. Also, college football is the only authentic football. Cordially Fred. And he replied back with a hard work ethic. Inshallah, the U of M will return to its glory days. Is this real?
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A
Yeah, it's real. That's actually him.
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D
That's hilarious, though.
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B
That's crazy.
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D
Dictators and authoritarians like sports too, though.
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B
Yeah, but I wouldn't have had him pegged for a Colin Kaepernick guy.
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A
It's tough to nail him down. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, we can't just. When you think you know a guy. What else we got in the news today? We've got scientists that confirm biblical earthquake. Big turkey.
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B
Yeah. Arian, did you. Did you read about this?
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C
Yeah.
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D
That's not what happened, but I'm gonna. I'd like to hear your version. Go ahead.
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B
Well, what's not what happened?
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D
That.
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B
Are you saying exactly the way he just described it? Okay, that's not what I see. You don't know what I said yet.
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D
I was talking to pft.
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B
They confirmed. They confirmed in earthquake.
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D
Get off the road. Get off the road, brother.
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B
We on the same. They confirmed an earthquake that happened between 26 and 36 AD. That sounds very much like the earthquake described in Matthew when Jesus died.
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A
How do they confirm it?
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B
Hold, please. I lost my place. The Dead Sea itself lies in a deep basin formed by this movement and is the lowest place on land. On Earth, the region has experienced frequent earthquakes over the past century. In historical and archaeological records show that quakes have occurred there for at least 4,000 years. Scientists found layers of sediment beneath the Dead Sea that appear bent and disturbed. They believe these distortions were caused by ancient earthquakes triggered by movement along the fault line. By studying sediment layers at Ein Gedi Gedi near the Dead Sea, the team was able to read the Earth's history year by year. Each year, the lake deposits a Layer of sediment, a heavier winter layer and a lighter summer layer. By counting these layers, called varves, researchers can figure out how many years passed and identify unusual events like earthquakes. Some layers were deformed, meaning the sediment was bent or broken. Scientists interpreted these deformed layers as evidence of ancient earthquakes. By tracking these layers across two core samples, they built a timeline of earthquakes and yearly sediment deposits from 31 BC to 31 AD. The sediment also records climate conditions, such as after a major earthquake in 31 B.C. the summer layers were thinner and contained more gypsum, which suggested a drought. Historical records like those written by the Jewish historian Josephus described famine and dry conditions in Judea at the same time, supporting the evidence from these sediments. Last paragraph. Using the timeline, scientists tried to identify which earthquake could match the one described in the Bible at the time of Jesus's crucifixion. Based on their analysis, the quake most likely occurred between 26 and 36 AD during the period when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea. So it seems they identified a big earthquake in a 10 year period that would match when Jesus died. Not necessarily within 10 years.
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A
Yeah, within a 10 year span. Okay. And how many earthquakes happen in that part of the world and how frequently?
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B
Well, they said there's been earthquakes there. I don't, I don't know how many in that 10 year period.
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A
Okay.
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The team also compared these sediments to other earthquakes reported in the region, including quakes in 1937, 47 and 48 A.D. none were close enough or strong enough to have left the same marks in the ide sediments.
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A
What do you think, Aaron?
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D
I think it's confirmation bias. The lead author of the study, he said, all right, I got it pulled up, hold on. He said, if I had a do over, I would never have mentioned those years. Since the, since the only relevant textual information of our three conclusions was the date range of 26 to 36 A.D. we, we are not New Testament scholars and did not try to add textual informations to come up with an exact
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B
D. Yeah, I don't think they said
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D
they weren't set out to like prove that. I think they were just doing like geological work and then like a biblical. Either a website or a person trying to fill the claim used that.
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B
Yeah, I don't think, I think it's fair to say they, they found an earthquake that matches the time that there's an earthquake described in the Bible. I don't think they were trying to confirm that.
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A
Okay.
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B
And I don't think you can like the evidence Matches. It does not necessarily. You would say confirm.
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A
Okay. I have a question, Big T. And this, this might make me sound like
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D
there's an earthquake in a ten year window, right?
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B
I mean, yeah, they didn't pinpoint this
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might make me sound like a non believer. I just want to, I want to preface it with all this.
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B
Well, you are.
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I don't, I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to disrespect anybody's faith or any of that.
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B
I don't care at all. I don't, I don't need this.
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A
Wouldn't the same science that they're using to show that there was an earthquake at this time 2000 years ago be the exact same type of science that has been used to show when dinosaurs walked on the planet and that the earth is much older than it says that it is in the Bible?
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B
I think you are ascribing a necessary young earth theory that isn't like not every Christian is a. Is a young earth theorist.
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A
Okay, all right. I might be. I might be discrediting young earth.
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B
Well, no, there are people who believe that, that there are some who don't.
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A
How old do the young earth people think the earth is?
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B
I've heard 6 and 8,000 somewhere about 6,000 years old.
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D
Maybe a little over 6,000.
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A
Okay.
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D
They just follow the lineage of what is Abraham. That whole lineage.
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A
Okay, that was just my question.
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B
There are some who believe, like Adam, how Adam was not formed as a baby. The earth was created with an inbuilt age.
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A
All right, I got one other thing I want to get to today. It is the anthropic stuff. Have you been paying attention to this?
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B
I know of it. I'm not well versed in it.
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A
So my understanding is that anthropic. They are an AI firm that has been creating their product Claude for the last several years. And it's now I've been using Claude and you like it.
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D
Every day for the last two weeks you enjoy is an interesting technology to say the least.
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A
So they have, they have withdrawn themselves from working with the Department of Defense saying that there are two red lines that they had in their negotiations with the government that they would not cross. And those two lines are that their product will never be used as an autonomous killing piece of software where humans are taken completely out of the loop. So they don't want their AI systems to be responsible from cradle to grave of identifying a threat, killing the threat without a human being being the one that okays it. That was the one red line that they are not okay with. The other one is they don't want their software to be used for mass surveillance of United States citizens. And the Department of Defense said they are not comfortable with those things. So they have terminated their relationship. Although I do think that Claude was used in some of the plans and the attacks in Iran, so.
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B
And Maduro.
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A
And Maduro, yeah. So they're using. They're off boarding. But it's like a long term.
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B
Which. What does that mean by the way? What do you mean that Claude was used?
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A
Like, I don't see that's. That's the question I had is like there's a lot of. There's a lot of words that people are saying, but I don't know what these AI systems have been authorized to do inside of our Department of Defense. I don't know what they're doing. And I don't think a lot of people truly understand how much of that entire branch of our government is being run by artificial intelligence right now. What do you use it for, Aaron?
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B
It's been making apps.
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D
There is a technology that this dude came out with. I forget his name, something Finn. It's called openclaw. Open Claw is kind of changing the game. And my engineer, but I think it's going to be mainstream and maybe by the end of the year. Open Claw is basically a. I guess the best way to put it is a. And I'm not an expert in this, so I don't. I just know what I've been been taught. My buddy's an engineer and we've been kind of grinding. We vibe code now. But Open Claw is basically like a. It's this. It's a program that allows the. It allows your AI to be interfaced with your.
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B
Any.
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D
Any app that you want. So like say you want to connect your AI with your messages, your WhatsApp, your Discord, your doordash, whatever the case may be. And it allows it to kind of like interweave itself with it. So you're like, so I have it for Discord and I have a separate channel because there's still a lot of security risks with it. And so Claude is like one of the best ones out probably. And so Claude, you have Claude and you have Open Claw. Openclaw takes an AI and allows it to interface with like let's say Discord, right? So right now I have a channel in Discord where I give it certain permissions. And so I have an entire. Like I have a Mac Mini and so it is in my Mac Mini So I could say, I could type in and say, open up Google and research this and it'll do that. I can say whatever. It's like coding is kind of like, it codes for me. So, like, I've just, I've just been building, like, small stuff here and there. But, like, it's. I think it's going to birth, like, you know, the dead Internet there. Yeah, I think it's going to birth that and it's going to expand, that's going to explode because you're going to have an influx of people understanding now that they can go, you don't need a person to code anymore. Like, it's. I'm coding and I don't know shit about coding. But, like, I'm starting to understand it, like, slowly but surely, like, there's stuff like I can do now, like small stuff, like I can debug what's going on, but still I use the AI to do something. And so it's, it's, it's really going to be a matter of how creative can you get with it. Like, how creative can you be and think of what you can do? And I really think this is limitless and it's, it's gonna be dangerous. So I kind of wanted to get ahead of it, so I'm understanding it on a very surface level. But like, like I said, me and my buddies, we, we just, we, we sit and we code for like, hours. We're building stuff, we're building small apps. He's building. And then I'll, you know, he'll, he'll kind of walk me through like, all these different things, like Getting accounts on GitHub. And GitHub is kind of like this. It's where your app lives, it's where your, whatever, your building lives and teaching me all about branches and different things about coding. It's really interesting. But long story short, Claude is like, probably one of the best AIs out. And OpenClaw has kind of unleashed that inside of any given app. And it's kind of wild. I think what's, and it's, what's. What's going to end up happening is some of these robots get active, they going, they going to use Open Claw or a program like Open Claw, and it's going to give it, like, life almost. It's, it's fascinating.
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A
So, yeah, give me an example of, like, if I let it into my, my messages.
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D
Yeah.
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A
What could. If I just, like, let Claude off his leash, what would he do?
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D
Right.
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C
Well, you.
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D
So the, the first thing that they teach you to do when you get into it is like, give it a, A constitution, right? Give it boundaries and give it rules. Now what hackers are good at at is finding that and then telling it to do other things. And so you got to be very careful. And that's why I'm not giving it any access to, like, any of my personal shit. It's just I bought an entire different computer for it to live on. So I guess, what can it do? It could read all your messages. It can answer messages for you, say, hey, anytime, Big T, text me, just respond off or whatever. Right?
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C
Anything.
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D
It could do anything. Like, and if you. Let's say, let's say. Let's say I want to connect it to my doordash, right? I could say, I can give it a prompt and say, okay, I'll set up a camera in my fridge, monitor all of the ingredients in my fridge. Tell me what, I can make you go even deeper. You can be like, okay, I'm gonna give you access to my doordash, look at all the ingredients from my fridge for a week. And then when things get low, reorder all my groceries for me. And it'll just, it'll just do it.
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A
Okay?
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D
And it's, it's. And that's like the low level, like I said, it's going to be able to do, however, like, whatever you could creatively come up with. It's. It's fascinating.
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A
Okay.
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D
Like, like right now I'm creating a golf app that is fire. So it's like a golf betting app to where, like, you can bet your homeboys on the games that you play. And. Right. Like, I got like, 22 games programmed, and I'll show you when it's done, when the beta test is out. But, like, this is Fire. Like, I'm, I'm just doing it for the, for the, for the cats I go up with, but I think other people are going to want it because I'm adding so much other to it. Shit's gonna be fire.
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A
Yeah, I am a little bit. I'm wary to put it just like, let this AI system loose on my.
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D
Well, don't do that. They, they, they say don't do that.
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A
Like, there's a lot of people who will be doing that, I would imagine, Abs.
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D
Absolutely. And those people, that's, that's, that is Darwinism is what it is. Like I said, I have an entire different computer system that this lives on. I don't give access to none of my real stuff. Like, none of my Emails, I created an entire different email, Apple id, all that is brand new just for him to live on. And it's just, I'm just experimenting. I'm creating apps, I'm building websites, I'm researching and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the future. It's here, dog. Like, it's here. It is absolutely here. Have you seen the seed dance stuff?
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A
No.
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D
See, dance is a, a video AI maker that I think launched in China, dog. That is crazy. It, it is not. I don't know, man. Like I said like that the more and more I look into, more and more I'm like, okay, I gotta stop fighting this. This is here. Like, learn this. It is here. It's not going nowhere. These companies are investing billions and billions and like, as much as I want to be like, yeah, but there's no usage of it, it's there. It's going to happen. Something's going, something going to shake. I mean, the government is starting to get involved. Like, this is, this shit is crazy though. So just get some kind of surface level understanding of what's going on and like, and keep up on it because this is going to be, I think open claw or like a technology like open claw is going to be mainstream either by the end of the year or in the next year.
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A
The guy from Anthropic that was like, we're bowing out of this. We'll try to help the Department of Defense if they, if they need to transition to somebody else. Like, I kind of respect what that guy's doing, which is walking away from giant military contracts. And then you see thirsty ass Sam Altman be like, we'll do it. We have, we have none of those safeguards in place that we need to care about.
- [38:44]
D
Yeah, I don't know if I like that guy.
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A
I don't think I do.
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B
There's, I don't think anyone.
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D
There was another. I don't know if it was Sam Alton, but there's another dude. We're talking about AI music, which again, I'm diametrically opposed to AI music. But there's this dude, he was like, he was getting interviewed and he says no, so nobody really wants to make music anymore. It's so hard. It's so taxing. You gotta sit there and learn a whole new instrument. You gotta write all these lyrics like, nobody wants to do that. I, I wanna, I wanna be able to make music just by the pushes
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A
of buttons and like, no, what the
- [39:16]
D
are you talking about, bro? Yeah, somebody needs to back slap this in his head. I hate this dude, but it's like that's. That's where we're going.
- [39:24]
A
This guy's just being lazy. It's like nobody wants to learn an instrument. Yeah, that shit's hard to do. And that's what makes it great.
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D
Yes, that's what. That's the beauty of it. Yes, absolutely. But again, they don't care. They don't give a fuck. And they're gonna. This is gonna happen. This is gonna be. This is gonna happen.
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B
I saw a tweet that said we only had a hundred years of recorded music and video before AI. And so like in. In 500 years, like it may. It will have been odd to have lived during that period.
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A
Yeah, the time period where you were making shit.
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B
Yeah. How long?
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D
I've seen a wild stat. T. Rex lived closer to us than T Rex lived close to Stegosaurus.
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A
That is crazy.
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D
Yeah, that's wild dog.
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B
What's the one about the pyramids?
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A
Oh, the pyramids existed like Caesar was
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B
closer to now than the pyramids or something.
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A
Or like Cleopatra. Cleopatra, that might be closer to us.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Than she did the pier.
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D
I don't know, like a sort. I think Cleopatra lived closer to the building of the first Taco Bell than she did the pyramid. The building of the pyramid.
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A
All right, well, we'll have more to dive into on. On Thursday's macrodosing. As this stuff shakes out overseas. It feels like wave one was the initial bombing targeting took out their leadership. Now Iran's going to try to respond somehow. We don't know what's gonna. It's kind of a scary time to be. To be involved in Mideast politics because nobody has any idea what's going to happen over the next three days. And if they say that they do, they're lying to you. But we will talk more on Thursday. Anything else?
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B
The. Well, while we were talking about AI, you saw that the AI models, when you involve them in like war simulations, they choose nuclear war 95% of the time.
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A
They always go to nuclear war. Yeah.
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B
And even after they tried to. People tried to get them to stop doing that, they still did it.
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A
We had so many different pieces of. I don't want to say art. We had so many, so many films that came out, so many TV shows that came out that were about the dangers of AI taking over our systems and bombing ourselves. And then the people that make the AI systems grew up watching those sci fi movies and they're like, yeah, that's cool. Let's make that. Yeah, let's make that. We should do it. We've got Josh Pate coming up. Big T and Josh Pate bro out together hard and Josh Pates brought to you by Pebble. If you are hiring in another country right now, you know that once you do, things can get complicated fast. But that's where pebble can help. You can send offers in minutes to anyone in the world and get them onboarded fast. Pebble is an AI powered global human resources platform built for founders, HR leaders and operators who are hiring and supporting teams around the world. Pebble helps you hire, pay and manage talent in over 185 countries with fast onboarding that can be done in minutes. Instead of juggling separate tools for contracts, payroll, benefits and compliance, pebble brings everything together. They have built in guidance. They have local expertise to support you. This is especially helpful if you're managing teams internationally or if you're planning on growing the fastest growing companies in the world. Use pebble to stay organized and reduce risk. Founders use it to scale faster without feeling like they need to become HR compliance experts. The bottom line, it simplifies global people operations so you can spend more time growing the business and supporting your team. Our new standard Discounted pricing is $399 per month per employee. That helps you constrain costs. Go to High Pebble AI to get a free estimate. That's H I P E B L A I get a free estimate with Pebble. US$399 per month per employee. It helps you contain costs. Check it out. High pebble to get a free estimate today. All right, now here is Josh Payton talking tea. Okay. We welcome on a very special guest. I think it's a very special guest. Big T thinks that this is the biggest possible guest that we could ever have.
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B
This is a legacy defining moment.
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A
Josh, you know how when you interviewed the president, that's how Big T views this interview.
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B
I'd say even more.
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A
You are his president.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Have you, have you considered t how many subs you're gonna lose by interviewing me? I mean if we're really trying to court correlate this one versus I hope not many. It's, it's crazy world out there this time of year. First off, you get the reports like you get the analytics feedback. Hey man, YouTube's wiping out some bot accounts this spring. So just be ready. So you don't really know what the cause is. Is it cause we had Trump on? Is it cause YouTube's just doing some spring cleaning. Is It a little bit of both. Do people just hate me all of a sudden? I don't know.
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A
Listen, I, I had your back. I think you saw the clip of what we talked about on this show. I, I said if you have, if the President wants to come on your podcast, I would personally always interview the President. That's kind of how I, I would look at it. I just thought that it was a strange time. It's like right after college football season's over. That's the point that I was making. Then he comes on the show. But then Big T obviously has, has some thoughts about, about you. And I think he's a real big fan of yours, Josh. And so I really kind of wanted to, to let Big T cook on this interview because this is, like I said, the biggest thing that he's ever done. So Big T, I'm just gonna say,
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B
wow, you're just tossing it.
- [44:57]
A
I'm gonna toss it to you immediately. The floor is yours. You got the ball, buddy.
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B
All right, so I guess we started with. Oh, there he is.
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A
Here's Aaron.
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D
Hey, sorry for being a little, you know.
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A
All good.
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B
That's okay. We've started with JP but just barely.
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A
Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta
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D
do, man, you know.
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B
Well, welcome in Aran, Josh. We talked about Trump for a second. I'm just curious. I. Anyone begrudging you just for having the President on? I think that's dumb. You have the president on 11 times out of 10. Did the interview go how you thought it was going to go in the moment? Did you find yourself at all thinking, this isn't exactly what I envisioned it being. And did you feel the same afterwards as you did going into it?
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C
I didn't know how to feel going into it. So it's obviously like a one of one situation. So I kind of tried to, I don't know, stay flexible, stay open minded or whatnot? No, it didn't go at all like I thought it was going to go. What we did was we had them reach out to us and they said, we're gonna, we're gonna do an event down in Rome, Georgia. President kind of wants to do the show. Like, would you be open to it? I said, yeah. I mean, it's not like it's a game week during the year where we have everything regimented. So it's very much a flexible time of year. Yeah, let's do it. And I kind of told the White House comms folks, I said, look, my show is not one where we're going to get Political. Like, we're, we're not discussing strategy on Iran. We're not talking the economy. There's a lot going on in college football. If we want to go down that road, yeah, I'm open to it. So they said, that's all agreeable. So we get down there. We had like 40 minutes carved out for that. Sit down. And they got out of D.C. that morning, I want to say, like two hours behind schedule. And they had an event that night that had a set start time. So, like, your portion of the day is the one that can expand and compress. Like, our portion of the day is the middle of the accordion. And so, you know, I go in there thinking we're about to get 40 minutes with him. I guess a lot of this is out of your control. But then all of a sudden it becomes 10 minutes, 10, 12 minutes. And look like you gotta, you gotta think. If you've ever watched the President talk, it can go really, really long winded. It could go a bunch of different ways, but he could be really long winded. So, like, I had to ask myself, all right, if I know I've got 10 minutes here, do I run the risk of asking like a really in depth question that he just goes eight minutes on an answer with? And you didn't even have an interview at that point. It was just one question, one long answer. Okay, Secret Service is wrapping you. We're done. And so, you know, looking back on it, we got like five questions in. It didn't really dive too deep. There wasn't a ton of meat on the bone. So, you know, you can like Monday morning quarterback it or whatever, but, yeah, suffice it to say, it didn't go the way that I thought it was going to go. Not necessarily anyone's fault or anything like that, but if I knew we were only going to get 10 as opposed to going in thinking 35, 45, that's a whole different ball game.
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A
I, I knew that anytime he does an interview about sports, he's going to figure out a way to talk about the NFL Kickoff rule. And that's, that's his, like, you know, that's, that's his ham and eggs answer. It's like, okay, play the hits. We need to, we need to make sure that college football doesn't adopt the, the NFL Kickoff Rule. How did you get a sense would, did you even get a chance to feel him out on, like, where, where he sees this whole, like the, the government process now getting involved in college sports and the direction they want to Go with that. I know that they're having, like, a meeting with Saban and a bunch of stuff like what. What do you think the government could do, if anything, about the state of college sports?
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C
Yeah, I think the conversation with him off camera was probably more substantive than the interview that we had on camera. And, I mean, he was really open. We were just sitting there talking while they're setting up your shots and everything. It's just me and him at a. At a lunch table, basically talking like, it's your buddy on a Tuesday afternoon and you're just going to get barbecue in your work break hour or your, like, lunch hour. So he said basically something to the effect of, I know it is a mess. We're trying to get all the commissioners, we're trying to get everyone up to D.C. we're trying to do like a roundtable, kind of sit down, get them all in the same room sort of deal so we can be educated on it. Because, like, we don't even know what moves to make necessarily. We don't know what they're willing to do from a federal government standpoint. Where does it even make sense to get involved? Can you get Congress on board with getting involved? And so he was like, it was kind of a I know what I don't know, but I want to know it sort of deal. And then he drops the whole, we were going to have them up there a few weeks ago, then this Iran stuff came up, and so we had to postpone it, and so we had to push it down the road. And so that's what they kind of announced last week that's coming up maybe this Friday. But, yeah, basically what I'm trying to tell you is Iran has prevented college football from getting his act.
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A
God damn it.
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C
Always happens that way. It happened in the 90s. It's happening again.
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A
Yep. All right, Big T, what else you got?
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B
I was actually thinking in the last minute or two, I have this question for you, but I was thinking about it for Trump. Also. I was going to ask, compare your show to a college football program if you had to, to do that. And I was thinking about Trump. I think Trump is Miami.
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A
Okay.
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B
I think he had a run at the. A while ago. Very divisive.
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A
Not Penn State. Go on.
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D
No, but definitely a layup.
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C
There was a better one out there than that.
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B
What's that?
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C
I mean, look, I think he's more ucf, where it really doesn't matter what the outside world claims you've done. If you believe you've done it, you have the banner. You never apologize for it. You're 2017 national champs. And they don't even smile when they tell you that, by the way, we're national champs, 2017. You don't believe us, go to our stadium. There's the band.
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B
You know what kills me about that, by the way, is the logo they made that says national Champions. They put a peach in it, where the O is, because they won the Peach bowl, not the National Championship. They admit in their own stupid logo that they didn't win anything. Regardless, I was going to say about Trump had had a run. Very successful, but very divisive. Dormant for a while.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Then comes back back on the national stage as of the last year.
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A
I like Josh's take, though.
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B
It's like, no, but I do see
- [51:10]
A
that Blake Bortles is the greatest quarterback this country's ever seen.
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B
Nobody's ever seen anyone like.
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C
And there's never been anything.
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A
That's the bottom line. That's the bottom line about it. So, Josh, you. You got to see a lot of feedback from all sides of the Internet after this. I feel like now you. You just. I. I like what you did. You're like, I'm just going back to doing Josh Pete football stuff. I'm gonna start ranking programs. I'm gonna start talking about who hates who. We're just gonna move forward, and we're gonna go back to what made us great in. In the first place. So how do you. How do you. How do you go about coming up with college football content in late February, early March?
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C
To me, like, back before I ever got on a microphone and I just worked normal jobs, I just think, okay, well, what would I be talking about at lunch? Because we did the same thing every day. I worked construction for a little while in the warehouses for a little while. I had the same group of friends. We all lived in the same town. We went to the same barbecue joint Monday through Friday. We talked about the same stuff. Normally, college football was like, 80% of the pie, and then 20% was how broke are you? So, like, the stuff you would talk about off air is really seamlessly transferable to on air. Maybe dress it up a little bit, maybe make it a little more listicle, but you kind of know what moves the needle year round. You just got to bridge it to spring practice. Then if you can bridge it to spring, then you go hit the road and you interview 30 guys and then maybe take couple weeks off in the summer. But I don't. I think if you can cover the NBA Year round. And you can cover the NFL year round. There's no excuse for not covering college football year round.
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A
Yeah. Hey, man, I would agree with that. Would you think of the list that came out, the head Brandon Walker ranked, What was he ranked? Like, number 50th.
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B
Well, he was off it to begin.
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A
What do you think about Brandon Walker complaining his way onto a list of most influential college football personalities?
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C
Well, how else is he gonna get on the list? Yeah, I kind of. I kind of ask it that way. I think the worst thing to happen to Brandon Walker was. I don't know what happened to Big Game Boomer. Big Game Boomer had it going for a long time. And look, even I regret that he just kind of retired from the Internet. And he's the dude who named Brandon Walker number one. Whatever. I was featured on that list. Like, I was appreciative. I finished solid. Top five people took those lists so personally. If you remember when BGB would drop one of his top 20, top 50, like, he dropped the top 50 pizza restaurants in college towns, and I think he made Tuscaloosa's just a Pizza Hut or a Domino's. And they lost it. They lost it on him. And he was so good because he, like, he never sold that. It was a joke. He never sold. And so Brandon Walker being number one college football personality, that's kind of like Domino's being the best pizza joint in your hometown. Everybody kind of knows it's a joke, but you go along with it. You have fun with it. And then the dude disappeared, and now I don't know what we're left with.
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B
Josh, if you had been number one on that list, would you have gotten a maybe 5 foot by 2 foot banner of that made and hung it in your studio?
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C
Think you got to do something. I think you got to invite Big Game Boomer. He's one of those guys who lives like theater of the mind because you've never been able to. To see him because he never put himself out there. He just kind of made his list. So I'd love to have Big Game Boomer. I'd love to bring him to town like. Like back in the day. I can't remember what team it was. It may have been, like, the 92 Alabama team. There was one AP voter that just kept voting them number one, and everybody else had Miami number one. So Bama beats Miami for the national title, and they have their national title parade. And this dude from, like, Arizona, an AP voter, they bring him to town and just added him to the celebration. I would have done that with Big Game Boomer. I would still do that with Big Game Boomer. I just don't know his whereabouts now.
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A
Yeah, he disappeared. We got. We got to track him down. Josh, while we have you, I want to give you the opportunity to apologize to me personally for the disrespect that you heaved at James Madison University this year, saying that they don't belong in the College Football Playoff when they. I believe they were the only team to cover the spread in the first round.
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C
And good for them. Yeah. Backdoor style, but good for them.
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A
Well, you could say back door. I think Oregon played a lot of their starters in that second half. I don't think it was against the backups.
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C
All right, so let's undress this.
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B
Yes.
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C
Because I say a lot, so I've just learned to tune myself out. What exactly did. Did I say that in a perfect setup, they wouldn't be in, or did I say they didn't belong in. In the current.
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A
I think, if I recall, you were one of the. Let's have an adult conversation about James Madison football in that course, where it was like, do they really belong in the College Football Playoff?
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C
All right, let me ask you this.
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A
Oh, wait. Are we having an adult conversation?
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C
Well, at least. TV14. Yeah. Yeah, let's go.
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A
Conversation full on.
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C
Adult adults in the room. No biases, if that's possible. Do you think it's reasonable to suggest 138 teams play the same caliber of this sport?
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A
Are 138 teams as good as each? No. Some teams are better than others, I'll give you that.
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C
I don't mean. So forget teams, because any given year, like, teams fluctuate. I'm just talking about the caliber of program, what kind of resources you're dealing from, what your quality of competition is. In the NFL, we got 32 of them in college football, allegedly. We have 138 teams right now gunning for the same championship. We're supposed to pretend like LSU and UL Monroe are playing the same caliber of the sport, which has always been insane.
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A
I. I don't think that anyone pretends that Louisiana Monroe and LSU are playing the same level of football. No, I would agree with you.
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C
Competing for the same title.
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A
Yeah.
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C
So that's the same level of football, is it not? I know we put different acronyms like. Like G5 P4, but they're competing for the same title. So the point I've always made. And it was. It was James Madison or Tulane this year, but it could be Cincinnati in years past, before they joined the Big 12, was me personally. I know there are a lot of hoops to jump through to accomplish this, but if I could just snap my fingers and have a G5 playoff, I would love that because I'd be able to watch JMU compete for a title they actually have a shot of winning instead of the best case scenario for them being, oh man, we're like the top of the ladder for us. If we get to the top rung and we reach and extend our arm fully, the best thing we could hope to grab is a beat down in like round one. That's always been dumb to me.
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A
A cover, a first round cover. I, I said that was my national championship. If we could cover the spread against Oregon, I don't think that it's, it's not like JMU or other teams in the group of five have a shot to win a full playoff bracket and emerge as national champions. I would agree with that. But I would also say there's probably only four or five teams in the country that do have a chance to do that. And we have a playoff bracket that's much more than four or five teams.
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B
Now Indiana, just.
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C
Here's, here's the one thing I would say. All right, so like Alabama made the playoffs this past year and they just got run by Indiana. The difference in that to me is Alabama has a full deck to work with so they can spend. They have the same resource pool, actually a better resource pool than in Indiana does. So when they get beat down, it's literally. Cause Alabama had the same advantages and didn't take advantage. JMU doesn't even deal from the same deck. Tulane doesn't deal from the same deck. And those are some of the power players at the G5.
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A
I would, I would just point to the first five guys who touched the trophy for Indiana at this year's national championship. We're all JMU transfers.
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C
Yeah, you're actually making the point for me here because I don't think we've ever been further away from the G5 being able to touch the thing than we are right now. I think back in the day you had a reasonable shot to look at Boise or I keep on going back to Cincinnati because they made the 14 playoff as a G5 one year. Those teams could be chock full of seniors that have stuck it out of that program that does not exist anymore. The second you get on the radar. I'm not blaming any kid for doing this. The second you get on the radar, you served your freshman and sophomore seasons at UL Monroe. You're just going to play at Ole Miss, you're just going to play at LSU. So you actually get punished as a G5 team now more so than ever for your success. I don't even know how you would have a modern day Boise or a modern day Cincinnati. It's jmu, and the problem is they got good enough where their coach and roster got ready.
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A
Yeah. I've said for the last few years that if we're going to be a stepping stone, I've accepted the fact that JMU is. It's a stepping stone program. If you're a head coach, you might as well be the best stepping stone there is. Right. So now I. I feel like we've kind of emerged as that's the place you want to go if you're a young up and coming, go to. Or if you're a Billy Napier looking to kind of revive your image, that's the one spot that you can go to and then leverage that to get into a great job after you're done. It's kind of. It's a. It's a shitty place for. For college football to be. I just don't think that a group of five national championship really solves anything because then you might as well just call that we're back to the FCS now. It's like the new FCS is going to be the group of five national championship, which just kind of. It separates a little bit too much for my taste.
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C
Yeah. There's one other mechanism that I'd love to bake in again. I don't know how any of this is legal, but we can just say whatever we want to. So. I've always believed that if you take a kid from a G5 roster in the portal, I would love to see that program have to recoup that G5 team monetarily. So I would love to see JMU make money off the fact that they invested in developing the kids. The kids developed a profile on their dime, and now all of a sudden they go to Indiana or a kid from Georgia State goes to Georgia. That's gonna happen. You can't restrict that. What you can do is you can put in mechanisms where at least they fill their pocket a little bit on the back end instead of being left with their hands in the air.
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A
Yeah, no, that's. That's fair. Big T, I know you got some. Some movie takes that you want to. You want to get into.
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C
Are we going to talk fever?
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B
I. Honestly, I planned. We. You said that tweet about Summer Catch, I was going to watch it last night. I fell asleep at 8pm and woke up at 7. I had a long weekend in Orlando, so I did not get to watch it yet, however. Are you saying fever pitches, good Summer catch is just better or you're anti fever pitch?
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C
I've developed a little anti fever pitch. Not so much so that I wouldn't check out 20 minutes of it if it were on. But you got to understand. So that's like 04.05, right? In that when that came out?
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B
Yeah. Well, it was the 04 season, so it probably came out in 05 or 06.
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A
Yeah.
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C
All right. There was a weird thing happening back then. So I was a kid. I was in high school during this time period. Hardcore Braves fan. I grew up in West Central Georgia, so we grew up despising the Yankees like most of America did. There was this stretch in the early to mid 2000s where I felt like because the Boston Red sox were in ESPN's backyard. And I felt like ESPN Studios must be crawling with Boston guys, which has turned out to be absolutely true. I felt like they were trying to force feed Boston down my throat. I felt like the Yankees, even though I hated them, there was a reason that the pinstripes made me feel something and made people in Denver or Seattle feel something. I felt like they were trying to manufacture the Red Sox. And then I all of a sudden find out there's a movie coming. So I had this one buddy, Jeff, who kind of fell off the Bray's wagon. He goes, red Sox. And so we lost him as, you know, like a fox, a foxhole kind of guy. He tries to sell me on the fact that Fever Pitch made him emotional because they're coming off the World Series. Fever Pitch comes out, I hadn't seen it. And he tries to sell me, like, this is the ending of Field of Dreams Part 2. This is. You're going to get a little teary eyed. You just got to understand what this means to Boston Red Sox fans. I watched the movie and I'm trying, like, right up until the end. Drew Barrymore is on the field. Jimmy Fallon's on the field. I'm trying to wait, like, what's the tearjerker moment here? Of course, it never comes. And I really felt. I really felt like I was played by the movie. And I felt like I was played by a lot of national sports media during that early mid 2000s time period. And I just felt like a lot of what the Red Sox were, were manufactured and they were trying to sell me on Red Sox, Yankees, so much. And I bought half of that. I never bought the other half of it. And then when summer catch comes out, they're just kind of suggesting, hey, there's this thing called the Cape Cod League. There's this girl named Jessica Beal. We're going to take them, we're going to infuse them, and we're just going to toss it out there. Matthew Lillard is in his post Scream era. Freddie Prinze Jr. Finally learning how to pronounce his last name. About that time, Dennehy. Patrick Dennehy, I think was the coach in the movie. And it never tried to be something it wasn't. It never tried to feel me, so it never tried to make me feel some kind of way. So I was much more of a. I was much more of a summer catch kind of guy than a Fever Pitch guy.
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B
All right, so just a couple things. I look forward to watching it. Number two, thankfully, Barstool Sports will never do what you described as trying to force feed Boston down your throat. So you're in the right place. Number three, you and I, both Braves guys, let's say Fever Pitch had never come out. And in 2022, they release a movie. Let's call it Fever Pitch, I don't know. And the 2021 Atlanta Braves win the World Series. And Jimmy Fallon's trying to sell his season tickets at Truist park because he lost the woman he loves. She. She drops down from the bullpen, runs across the field and says, if you love me enough to sell your tickets, I love you enough not to let you. I'm getting emotional creating this in my mind. If that was in a film, your buddy, who's a Red Sox fan, you can. You can understand that.
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C
I'm okay with that because I get emotional watching actual game footage. Like, if you put on the 92 NLCS, I could listen to Skip Carey's radio call of Sid Bream Slide. I could Listen to Sean McDonough give one of about 50 legendary play by play moments that he's ever had. That's real life. My whole cool question was, wait a second. So the Braves and the cubs are the two teams throughout the 90s that are being broadcast on superstations. Why are the Red Sox trying to be forced upon me like America's Team part B? Why shouldn't it be the Cubs who were losers in that era? So the Braves were winners. So I questioned back then why we never got the movie.
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B
I would love One we did. We did get Trouble with the Curve, which we also discussed last week. Oh, not the best film. Were you in on Trouble much in the same way as you described Fever Pitch? I find the plot kind of dumb.
- [65:46]
C
I don't know what clue what even happened. I've seen it twice, I've seen it three times. I, I don't know what's happened.
- [65:53]
B
Timberlake has a good performance in that movie. He's solid. What gets me in that movie is that the, the villain is Shaggy from Scooby Doo and that just removes me from the film completely.
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C
Well, also, I mean, the best prospect in the movie looks like he picks up a baseball for the first time two weeks before they started filming.
- [66:11]
B
Yes. Bo. What's his name? Bo Gentry. Is that his name? Yeah. But regardless, I'm still a Fever Pitch guy. I've seen it probably 60 times. I have some more like in depth college football. If we want to do college football. Josh, Everybody asks who the next Indiana is. Turned out it was Indiana, but I'm not. There will be no next Indiana unless you can hire Kurt Signetti away. Cause that, that's an irreplicable set of circumstances. Who's the next Vanderbilt though. A team that seemingly comes from nothing to a level where it's competing on a national stage with top level talent. And maybe it's a, it's a school that has a ton of money that hasn't spent it yet, or a, an up and coming coach, but they can get to that level. Not necessarily. Maybe they can win a national championship, but they don't have to jump there immediately.
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C
I actually think it may be USF. I know they're G5 right now. I think USF is probably going to be in the Big 12 or the ACC or whatnot over the next few years. But they are loaded. I mean they're disproportionately loaded at that level. Heartline went down there. I mean he fell into one of the best positions you could ever fall into as a first time head coach. Now it's up to him to make something of it. But like I, I, I'm kind of privy to a lot of these guys. Whether it's Summerall at Tulane or goal ish@USF. I've talked to them a lot about the offers they've got and I think it would surprise people how many legit big time jobs those guys turned down. Because the way you would think about those jobs 20 years ago versus the way you think about them today's totally changed the USF job is like one of the 30 or so best jobs in the country. 30, 35. I haven't like charted it, but that's a really good job. And that's one where they haven't had success yet. They haven't really flashed, they haven't made the playoff or anything. So I think it's going to take a lot of people by surprise when it happens, but I don't think it'll be too long before it happens.
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A
What do you think about Virginia Tech?
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C
They could make noise immediately like the thing that happened with Virginia Tech when you. I went up there this past, I don't know, year at some point, and it was when Brent Pry was still the head coach who wildly is now the D.C. and they were just kind of explaining how badly they dropped the ball in recruiting the state of Virginia for a long time. They just checked out on it. I remember talking to Franklin when he was at Penn State and he said, it's crazy, like how routinely we can go into Virginia and get kids. I've had Beamer at South Carolina tell me it's not really that much of a fight against Virginia Tech when we've gone in there. And it's crazy because like, Shane Beamer knows that program very well. And so they had guys come in there and kind of drop the ball. So they've got to pick that back up. And I don't doubt James Franklin will do that. I just think you're kind of running up against the precipice now of an entire generation of kids who will not have known Virginia Tech as a contender. You got to be careful, like when you get into your 30, 35, 40 year old age range, you still associate Mike Vick, Virginia Tech, those mid 2000s teams Thursday night, their place is going insane. They could legitimately compete for a national title. They're in the top 10 of the BCS standings. It's been a long time.
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A
It's been a while.
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C
That time goes by really quickly. And now if you're 21 years old and someone tries to sell you on the vibe at Virginia Tech, the energy at Virginia Tech, hey, they could be a contender again. That 21 year old looks at you and says, what do you mean again? Yeah, like, what do I, what do I not know? Is there, is there something that happened back in the day?
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A
Yeah, it's tough for, for guys to be like, well, you get this lunch pail, right? We got the lunch pail. And you're gonna Love that. A 21 year old kid from Newport News is going to be like, yeah, no, that really doesn't do it for me. But I do think that I. You're right. Like, when I grew up in the. In the 90s, it was like Bruce Smith was still kind of fresh in the back of people's brains. And then Mike Vick comes, and then, you know, after that, you get a little secondary bump with Marcus Vick. And then the Eddie Royal years, they've had some good players, and since then, they've dropped the ball record recruiting in state. But I do feel like they got a big cash infusion and the school is realizing we need to take this, we need to invest now, or else we're going to be permanently left behind. So I would say that Virginia Tech in that conference would be. Would be a big one to watch. Big T, what else do you got? I know you just want to chop. You've got, like, a million questions. You're.
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B
You're kind of interjecting with so much time.
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A
You're so happy to just be chopping up with, like, a real ball knower. So I'll let you get back to it.
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B
Josh, you released your ideal conferences yesterday. If college football, if you were placed in charge, which I think would be a fine decision, I think you and I both know that'll never happen. It's going the opposite way rather than that way, unfortunately. But I love, as I'm sure you do, I love when college football was a regional thing. It had a national element, but it was a regional sport. Like, I love watching Tennessee, Kentucky, teams that have played for 100 years. I like that kind of thing. As opposed to, oh, Tennessee's playing Oklahoma this week or Ohio State's playing ucla. Is it. Is it completely gone? As a regional especially, we have nothing in society that isn't national or international anymore, like the Internet. Everything is just. Everyone's involved in everything. There's nothing anymore. Maybe baseball has a little bit of that where you pay attention to your team and that, but that's. I just. I feel like we don't have something that's regional anymore like we used to with college football. And it seems like I don't see the path to regaining that.
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C
Here's the path, all right. There's the. The idealistic stuff, which is just make a graphic because it's a random Sunday in March, which is what I did last night. There is a legit way that you could accomplish this, though. Now we'd have to go further down the road that people don't want to go down. To get there. So if you believe the Big Ten and the SEC are hell bent on gobbling up all the value properties in the sport, you probably aren't too far off base. So walk that thing through to a conclusion. Let's say the SEC does go in for, for lack of a better term, just kind of gobble up a majority of the acc. The Big Ten just continues and maybe gobbles up a majority of what is the Big 12. And you know, you've got basically the teams that comprised all those conferences that I listed last night. It's just they're all in this SEC bubble or this Big Ten bubble. I think if those conferences were smart, what they would do is they would gobble, gobble, gobble as quick as they can, grab it all up, buy the intellectual property while you're at it, and then as soon as you've got all the commodities, just reestablish what I put on that graphic last night because no one really cares if you're watching a game in Houston, Texas. You don't really care that the University of Houston is now in the Southwest Conference, but it's a subsidiary of the Big Ten. You don't really care. You just care that, wow, we got regionality back in conferences. We've got more conferences. We only have 10 teams per conference, so everyone plays everyone in a given season. And we don't have a team in Los Angeles playing a conference game in New Jersey anymore. So I think there's a way to do it. It does really require a couple of entities gobbling up most of the sport. But if you parse that thing out the right way, once you've gobbled it up, it looks no different than me going and buying a Nestle Crunch, like the Crunch bar in my hand and that tinfoil wrapping and that blue wrapper and that red iconic logo. I don't care what conglomerate owns it. I just care that it looks the same and tastes the same as it did when I was a kid. And if you can accomplish that, I don't really think fans care how you accomplish it now. What would really be great is if you package that with a new TV deal so that instead of these silos of these conference TV deals, you know, Texas is playing on Fox one week and they're playing on NBC one week and they're playing on cbs and you got Clack calling the game in Seattle one week and Tallahassee the next week. I'd love that. That's one of the parts of the NFL I really wish college football had is just one singular TV deal instead of this thing right now. Why would a person at Fox be incentivized to promote SEC football at all? Why would a person at Fox be incentivized to promote the playoff at all? They don't own any of that, which is stupid. In the NFL. You work for NBC Sports. It's in your best interest to promote the NFL as a whole. Number one, you've got playoff games. You've got a Super bowl every few years. You've got a package on Sunday night which eventually is going to feature most every team in the league. And we don't have that in college football right now.
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B
So two things. We'd have to go to the Supreme Court for that. Right? Because that's a, that's a Supreme Court ruling from the 60s or 70s. But secondly, I, to be honest with you, I stopped listening to your answer when you brought up Nestle Crunch. Are you a Crunch bar guy?
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C
I've been known to be.
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B
I love this guy, man. You love crunches. My crunch is my one. One.
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A
That's your one. Pick I over Mr. Goodbar.
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B
You could talk me into KitKat and then crunch.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Two relatives in the same family. But I, I'm a Crunch guy.
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A
I put that in it.
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C
Do you have a, do you have a dark horse candidate? Because I've got one I stumbled on the past few years accidentally one Halloween that was Never on top 10 for me growing up. But the, the Heath bar, I don't think it's nearly enough.
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B
I'm not, I'm not in on the Heath.
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C
Have you tried it?
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B
A long time ago. A long time ago.
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A
I think the toffee makes big T think like that's a, that's a bit European for his taste.
- [75:40]
B
It could be. I, I, maybe I need to try one again. My dark horse was going to be. I'm a dark chocolate guy. I'll do anything. Dark chocolate as well.
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A
I, I always say Milky Way. For me, above Snickers, I put that, I think the peanuts get in the way sometimes.
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B
So you're. So you're and a Mounds guy. Not Almond Joy, Correct?
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A
Correct. Yeah. Okay. But also Mounds dark chocolate, Almond Joy milk chocolate.
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B
Sure.
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A
But yeah, I prefer the, the smooth, rich taste of Milky Way over the peanuts, which sometimes they just get in the way. There's too many of them on a Snicker.
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B
Do I recall correctly, were you not here when Dana Beers didn't know that that was the difference?
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A
I was there.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That Almond Joy's got nuts. Mounds Don't.
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B
Do we need to go back to college football? Are you Arian, you got any candy? Takes
- [76:30]
D
really like candy.
- [76:30]
B
That's right. That's right.
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D
I guess back in the day, I used to like Reese's. The Reese's Cups. And when you put them in a banana that go.
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B
Now this is the first time I'm hearing of this.
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D
Yeah, yeah. Open a banana, break off a little piece, put it in there, eat it. This is unbelievable. My grandpa RP he taught me that.
- [76:52]
B
I guess people do peanut butter and banana.
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A
A crumbled rhesus into a banana sounds pretty incredible.
- [76:58]
B
So then you throw the chocolate and people do chocolate in banana too.
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A
Yeah, okay.
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C
Yeah, yeah, that's. I can guarantee you. I like that. Never tried it before.
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A
Yeah, I'm going to, though, like 100%. I'm already in.
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B
I had one more college football. JP and you may have just touched on this. If you were to completely restart college football from scratch. You're the commissioner. Everything is completely up to you. What is something that most people would say is untouchable that you would alter?
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C
Oh, man. Well, it's probably what we just talked about. Like, it's probably the conference set up in the TV deal stuff. That's probably what it would be. Because think about what works downstream of that. Take an Ohio State fan, for example. I know this because we just did it on the show last night. They've had something like six and five noon kickoffs the past two years. All their big games are noon kickoffs. It's all in the same network. And you just know, like, if you're a season ticket holder at Ohio State and you got a big home game, you just kind of know I'm gonna have to get there at 6am If I'm gonna tailgate it all, I'm gonna have to get there at 6am or night before. We're never getting a prime time game unless it's a playoff game. That Tennessee game is the only big primetime game I remember in Ohio Stadium in Fort Forever. I just. I don't try and model. I don't try and model college football after the NFL a whole lot. I stay away from that. But there are things the NFL figured out a long time ago that I wish college football would figure out. I think that would be. Those would be two of them, really.
- [78:28]
B
Okay. I feel like people like would. Would like that, though. Is there an un. Is there an unpop. Is there something you would do that would be unpopular?
- [78:37]
C
No. Okay. I would have to divorce my emotion on this. I was never a big playoff guy, but I know most people are. So like, even if I ran things, you couldn't go pure dictator on people and say, my way goes no matter what. I would have to do some solid focus grouping. I would find out people want the playoff and we can't go back in time. You can't wipe people's memory. So once they've experienced the playoff, you can't go back in time and then make them unsee the playoff. I'm always a regular season guy, so I'm like the third or fourth week in October. That's the peak of the year for me. Which is way different than pro sports where you're just building towards the. The culmination at the end. College football's playoff and the end of. It's always felt kind of anticlimactic to me as opposed to the heart of the season, which is the regular season. But I get it. It's very popular. It makes everybody a lot of money. It makes us a lot of money. I just, if I had it my way, it's not nearly as necessary, I guess. And the expansion especially was not nearly as necessary as a lot of people thought it was.
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A
So when. When Hypo says 2014, I can't believe he said that.
- [79:40]
B
I can't believe I can.
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C
I would say it if I were a coach. It's. I'm heavily incentivized. That's why I told.
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D
What did he say?
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C
I was talking to head coach. He was saying, oh man, I'm all for expansion. And I said, respectfully, mountains of respect to you. I don't value coaches opinions on playoff size. I don't value an athletic director's opinion on it. Because these people are now in this zero sum world where you either made the playoff or didn't make the playoff. And that's what's on your resume half the time. You have it baked into the incentive portion of your contract. Like, of course they want the playoff as big as you can possibly make.
- [80:16]
B
Totally.
- [80:16]
C
That's why I'm not really listening to them.
- [80:18]
B
Totally agree with you. It's in their best interest to have it that big. Is it in their best interest to say it like, Because I think it makes Hypo look like, oh, you only think Tennessee can make it if there's 12 more teams in it.
- [80:31]
C
At this point though, you've got entire conferences floating out 2014 proposals. I don't really think people even care what an individual head coach says. I don't even think people. It's it's not even on people's radar. It may make the headlines on your local websites and whatnot for a day or two, but I didn't even know Hypo said that as an example. I wouldn't even know where it came out of his mouth.
- [80:51]
B
I actually don't either. I just saw it this morning.
- [80:53]
A
I actually, I, I agree. I think every coach is going to, they're going to say something like this, especially if they're in a Tennessee position where it's like, yeah, 24 team playoff would be great.
- [81:01]
B
To be clear, we made the 12 team playoff you did make and would have made the 14 playoff if South Carolina didn't have our place. But it's a separate conversation. But guess what they're going to say when it's 24. Oh, well, if only it was 36. Yeah, I mean we would have made it last year.
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A
64.
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B
It's coming. I mean, I don't know, man.
- [81:20]
A
It will be a. It does feel inevitable for, for TV ratings and for, for the money and the revenue that could come in that we're going to continue to expand it to a point where it's. Where, where it will lose a lot of the appeal for. I, I don't want to say like the real fans, but the die hard fans of the sport that'll be sacrificed to the masses. So just get used.
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C
I just can't stand how the. There's such a lack of ingenuity, like there's such a lack of good ideas being able to build valuable products that in the absence of that, when everyone starts to go broke, they just look over at this atm, it's got a playoff logo on it and they just say, we'll just make it bigger. Just make that thing over there bigger. That's our fail safe. It's like raising tax rates, man. We got the city and a bunch of debt. We just have to raise taxes. We always know we can raise taxes. Well, in college football their version of raising taxes is all right, we got ourselves in a mess. We're paying ourselves way too much money. We've run up this debt. Let's just make the playoff bigger. That'll bail us out. And unfortunately it works.
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B
The smartest guy we got.
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A
I, I heard there was some coach that brought this up. So I'm not passing this off as my idea, but I heard it somewhere a couple months ago for the Bulls. Why don't we just take the Bulls and make them week zero?
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C
Yeah, it was new Heisel.
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A
There you go. Yeah, Great idea. I think by New Heisel, where it's like, you want these games to mean something. Okay. Make them part of the regular season. We get some out of conference matchups we don't normally see, and it's week zero and. And nobody's sitting out for it. I think everybody's happy with that, right?
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C
Yeah. Not every. No one will be happy with anything. Like you won't get a consensus on it. I didn't think it was a bad idea at all. What you can't do is just stick with the way it is right now because that's a failed concept at this point. So, like, you have to have an idea. So for all the people who push back on that and they hate it as an idea, I'm like, okay, well, what's your alternative? You can't just shoot down an idea when we have a problem without bringing a counter idea. The other one that we talked about on our show a couple of months ago, Stephen Godfrey had a version of this that he put out there and I kind of tried to build off of it was if you take like six bowls, Pop Tart Bowl, Citrus bowl or whatever, and you look at that week after conference or the week of conference championship games. You remember this past year how Vanderbilt randomly tried to schedule a game. They tried to randomly get a 13th game to get a 13th data point. What, what that made me think is I think Texas tried to do it too. That made me think, or if we really want a 13th data point, then let's go all in on that concept and try and salvage bowl season in the process to where you, you go get half a dozen of your highest profile bowls and have them lock in for that conference championship week and have, you know, number, number 11 versus number 21 or whatnot. And so you have matchups featuring teams that are kind of on the bubble right now, but you count it as a data.
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A
Yeah. It becomes like an at large playing game.
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C
It's B, it's kind of a play in game. But if you think about it, you could technically lose that game and still make it, depending on what your rank going in. But the real appeal is if you're ranked 21st right now, you got one more shot and you're doing it in the Pop Tart Bowl. So we kind of salvage bowls. But anyway, someone's going to push back on any of those ideas. To the people who push back, I always just ask, well, what are you going to do instead? What's your plan?
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A
Yeah. And I feel like nothing's going to get solved permanently until there's some sort of. Some sort of. I don't know if it's players union or collectively bargained agreement that happens between the players and the schools. That feels inevitable. And it feels like once we know what that looks like, then we can really plan for the future in this sport. So. Yeah, but I, I do appreciate the, the ideas. You're an ideas man, which, which I always like. And I agree with you that if you're going to disagree with what's going on right now, give me, Give me a solution. Give me something different that we can do.
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B
What about spring games?
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A
I don't like spring games. Football is for the fall.
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B
No, but the bowls are glorified practices anyway.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So instead of Tennessee playing Illinois and Nashville on December 30th or whatever it was with nobody in attendance, play that game in April. That counts as your spring game. Get rid of all the bowls that are in New York and Boston and all that. Play them all in the south where it's warm, it's nice weather, and you play it as your spring game against somebody else instead of a scrimmage at your own stadium. I'd be there with bells on.
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C
Well, this, to me, was where you always solved the FCS problem. Everyone had a problem with SEC teams playing, like, East Tennessee State in November. And so, like, I've always wondered, well, why won't you let Tennessee bring ETSU to Knoxville and scrimmage them as their spring game? Pay them some money, get a TV network behind it. They'd be happy to. They're like endless amounts of inventory space for television products that time of year. So, I mean, if Elon wanted to come to Georgia, and that's Georgia spring game, ESPN or SEC Network would happily write the equivalent of the check that they would get in the fall. What are they getting, like, between $500,000 and $1 million to play those games? So just cash the check in the spring. And then you also solve this problem of these dead scheduling weeks that pop up late in the year in the fall, which no one wants to watch.
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B
So. But you would then have to require those games be replaced with power conference opponents, I assume.
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C
You would think so. You would think so. But also the way I think it should be is I wouldn't require you to do it in the spring. I just want you to have the option. Because I talked about this one time and I had, I had some guy hit me up. He was a defensive coordinator. He said, no, you can't be forcing us to try and play a somewhat real game for our spring game. I said, I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm telling you enough teams out there want to do it that I want them to have the option to do it. That's all I want. Because if you're like, the pushback is always, you need to get rid of the FCS games in the fall. And then the counter to that is, well, playing us is their financial lifeblood. That's how that school cashes a check that funds themselves. So then the retort for a long time is, oh, well, I guess we just have to eat it. Well, why not just play the game for the spring game? That way you don't have to watch it in the fall and they still cash a check and they still get to survive and we actually get a somewhat reasonable product for a spring game. TV networks are happy. Everybody's happy. I thought at least, is this just
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B
my imagination or have spring games gotten worse in the last five to 10 years?
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C
I feel like last year, last year they sucked because everyone tried to bail on them because you had a post spring portal window.
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B
That's true, too.
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C
And they all said, we don't want to put our players on display for everyone else to scout. And they were kind of right about that. So now the NCAA comes along and says, oh, only going to be one portal window. And everyone's laughing at it behind the scenes because everybody still thinks that all you have to do is withdraw from Tennessee and enroll at Miami for the fall semester.
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D
And you don't.
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C
You don't even have to enter the transfer portal. It's not like you have to officially do that, especially if you're a grad transfer. So there's a lot up in the air still about how legitimate spring games can be, but again, we're trying to offer solutions.
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A
Give me your. Give me your college football playoff for next year. Give me.
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B
I'll.
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A
I'll let you just name top 12, just not necessarily the playoff top 12 teams going into next year. And then this time next year, we'll go back, we'll look at it, and we will judge you very harshly.
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C
I would have Notre Dame winning the whole thing right now.
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A
Okay.
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C
I would have Texas there. I will have Miami back there. I'll have Georgia back there. I will have. Did I say Ohio State already? I'll have them there. Oregon will be there. Texas Tech will be back. Houston, a very surprise entrant into the playoff this year.
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B
Have you been counting? I haven't been counting.
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A
That feels like Eight. I was just thinking about.
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C
I'm going to put. I'm going to put Alabama in. I'm trying not to go too heavy on the sec. I just live in the south, so I start in the south, trying to figure out if. If A M or LSU are going to be my other SEC team. Let's go. Lsu? Why not? Lane Kiffin makes it in his first year and, Man, I don't know if I'm sold on Michigan yet. I got a Big 12 in there already. I've only got one ACC, but I don't know where else I would go in the acc. I don't trust Clemson. I don't trust Florida State. Maybe Virginia Tech comes out of nowhere. They did have a highly ranked portal class. Don't know what their schedule looks like, though. Penn State schedule is really workable. I just don't know if year one, the bonfire gets cranked up with Matt. Could happen, though.
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A
You think this is Dabo's last year?
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C
He's in a weird spot. Like, can you envision Clemson firing? No. In the traditional sense?
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A
No, I can't. I. I feel like he'd be like, you can't fire me. I built this place.
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B
I can see it now.
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A
You can.
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C
You really could. You really could see.
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B
I agree. It's insane. I think it's insane. There's so much money at stake and. And what? As much as you want to say that, like, fan sentiment doesn't matter. And yes, he's been incredibly successful there. If they go 7 and 5 or 8 and 4, like, they're going to be at the gates and at some point you have to make a decision based on your customer base and what they're willing to accept. Now, maybe. And again, maybe it's not fired. Maybe it's mutual parting of ways. Whatever I.
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C
Look, if it happens, and I agree with you, man, if they go 7 to 5 again, it's. The situation's kind of done. And if you look at their roster, last year was the year it was supposed to happen. Because I remember going into last year and I was talking about it like, don't even think about 2026. You don't want to know what's coming in 2026 because you have not recruited well. You refuse to use the portal. You got all your senior guys, you got your veteran quarterback. That's this year. Worry about this year. Well, the problem is they won seven games. So the year it was supposed to happen, it didn't happen. They should be much worse this year on paper than they were last year. And so if that does manifest itself in terms of final record, the way I think it would go down is it gets really contentious. It's really ugly and uncomfortable during the season. And then they kind of let him know and we never get the full detail, and they negotiate a reduced buyout in exchange for him being able to say, I'm retiring. That is the way I think the quote unquote firing of Dabo would really have to happen.
- [92:24]
B
But you don't think he'd go somewhere else? I think he. He jumped somewhere else.
- [92:28]
C
I think he's got a lot. He believes he's got a lot of ball left in him. Now. The way I looked at it is, like, if you know anything about Nick Saban set up, he was making a ton of money at Alabama. He got a raise to go do tv. So if I were looking at that climate and knowing how in demand Dabo would be for tv, I'd look at it and I'd say, if I were Dabo, I'm what, early 50s? Something like that? Like, he. He should have a decade of Runway left if he's winning. I always said, if I were one of these guys, I'd go do TV for, like, three or four years, fully planning on getting back in. I would just wait until the landscape looked more manageable for me and Nil and Portal and whatnot. Like, that stuff's kind of gotten settled and figured out. In the meantime, I'd go make $10 million a year doing TV.
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A
It would be a great deal. Josh, I got one last question for you here before we let you go. And it's just. I don't know how much you can say about what, you know, behind the scenes about what's happened at at UNC in the last 12 months. Is it going to be any more chaotic next year, or have we. Can we just expect the same level of chaos to continue? Or maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe. Maybe Belich straightens it all up. Maybe they. They look competitive, they feel a good team this year, but it feels like the two options are like, is it going to remain the same or get worse?
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C
So I don't know anybody in that program. I don't know Bill at all. I don't know Michael Lombardi at all. So I'm going pure, secondhand on this, But I've talked to some kids recently that were through there on recruiting visits and official visits and stuff like that, and the vibe they describe is so disjointed and, like, discombobulated. They Kind of left with more questions than they went there with. But I. I hate saying that because, like, I know what happens. I know that gets clipped and it gets used in negative recruiting for North Carolina. I don't mean it that way. It's amplifying what I've already thought, though, so. I already thought it was going to fail. I already thought it was going to be a disaster, especially if you hired him and paid him that money. Expecting North Carolina to be in playoff contention, because I didn't think that was ever going to happen. So I don't know. I don't hear many good things from over there, and I don't really know what. I said this on our show last night. We were talking about coaches and must win mode this year. I know Norvell's in must win mode at Florida State. Everyone knows that because there's an established standard of winning there. I don't really know what the bar to clear at North Carolina is. How do you know he's succeeding? Like, what are the metrics? What are the barriers?
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A
I don't know either. I think it's just, like, have a functional football team and make Michael Jordan happy.
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C
I don't think MJ's. He. He can't be very happy watching.
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A
I don't think he's ever happy. I think that's what makes him so great.
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B
They'll always have that first drive.
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A
Yeah, that for. Oh, that first drive was incredible.
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B
My best bet of the season was loading up on TCU after North Carolina
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A
scored on you Bet him live.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Genius move. Yeah.
- [95:28]
B
Josh, I have one final question. It's a two parter, but the second part existing is predicated on your answer to the first. How would you grade my performance in this interview?
- [95:39]
C
I think you've been good. You maintained more eye contact than I did. You had a well structured list of questions. And I could tell there were three or four different rabbit holes that you thought about going down that you did not go down.
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B
One in particular. Yeah.
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C
Yeah. And I could feel that. So I feel like there was a lot of variety of content. This was not surface based. There were several layers to the cake. I would come back, I would do it again.
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B
Okay. So the second part will indeed be prompted. I consider myself a Padiac, as you know. Can I tell people that you're a big T believer?
- [96:16]
C
Yes.
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B
All right.
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D
All right.
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B
Hell yeah.
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A
Got it.
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C
Yep.
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B
Yep.
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A
Good question. Big T. Thank you.
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C
If we could do family and friends first.
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B
Okay.
- [96:26]
C
And then maybe as we get to know each other better, then Maybe you just kind of share it with your general social circle and stuff like that. Basically, a trial period is what I'm asking for.
- [96:36]
B
Done.
- [96:37]
A
Yes. We won't make this public just yet.
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B
I'll just tell fiance and I've got two friends that need to know today. That's it?
- [96:44]
C
You've got two friends or you've got two friends that you're gonna tell today?
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B
Two friends that need to know today because you have. I have more than two? Yes.
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C
Okay.
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B
Yep.
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D
That's good.
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B
Yep.
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A
All right. I thought that went well. It's the start of a beautiful relationship. Now, how jealous is Brandon gonna be? That's the other question. Question. You did kind of. You slandered him a little bit.
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B
No, I just asked if Josh would have a big banner if Big Game Boomer named him the number one.
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A
I'm just curious if you've thought about the repercussions coming from within these walls with Brandon. Like, I don't know if he's going to do as many tick tocks with
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B
you now, come what may.
- [97:17]
C
Has he. Has he bothered to come on this show?
- [97:20]
B
He's been on a couple times, yeah, he has.
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C
Okay.
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B
I did have one more. One last question. You're a big weather guy. Is there something going on in the weather community we should be aware of right now or is everything good to go?
- [97:35]
C
I am a big believer in the next 10 to 14 days, we'll see our first tornado outbreak of the season. I also think it's going to give a really false sense of spring. And there's one more pulse of pretty legit cold come in in mid to late March. But then it's storm chasing season. I'm gearing up for storm chasing season. Like that's what I'll be doing for the next three months.
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A
I love that. I have noticed in the fall that we've. We've had a few more weather delays when it comes to college football than we have in years past. I tend to think it's a big conspiracy that the more weather delays we have in college football, the easier it is to sell all sorts of climate change propaganda to people in the south because their college football is getting delayed. So it makes it more realistic for them.
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C
Yeah, just add inventory.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, it greatly behooves the network to have a weather delay.
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A
Right. That's how we grew up watching Braves games. And we, we were. We were fed reruns of Sanford and
- [98:21]
C
Son and Andy Griffin. I know Andy Griffith because of rain delays.
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A
Exactly. All right, well, thank you Josh, we appreciate it. Big T believer, Josh.
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B
Thank you, Josh.
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A
And yeah, we will, we will tap in with you as we get closer to college football season or in case you find yourself in the middle of a giant political turmoil. And we just need to check in on you and your mental health and well being. But thank you for coming on the show. Appreciate it.
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C
Either way. I appreciate it.
- [98:45]
A
All right. Thanks, Josh. That was Josh Pate. He's the man.
- [98:49]
B
What a great interview.
- [98:50]
A
I'm so glad that you've got your best friend.
- [98:53]
B
Yeah, I mean, we have to keep it low key for a minute, but then we'll really. I mean, if we could. I didn't want to push. I didn't want to push. It sounds like we could, we could get an in season visit.
- [99:03]
A
I think so. Yeah. And I think Brandon's going to be very jealous. Okay. Very jealous. I'm just warning you.
- [99:08]
B
Yeah, I mean, I, I didn't, I didn't want to push first, first talk, but I think, I think we're in a good spot.
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A
I think so. All right. Thanks to Josh. Paid for coming on.
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B
Thank you, Jake.
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D
Don't, don't love bombing there.
- [99:18]
B
I'm trying not to play cool.
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A
Big T played.
- [99:21]
B
No, I did, I did. I was, I was totally cool.
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A
He was an okay guest.
- [99:23]
B
Yeah, it was fine.
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A
All right, love you guys.
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B
Goodbye.