Lane Kiffin Officially To LSU + Arian Got a Dog | Dec 2, 2025

Summary

Macrodosing: Lane Kiffin Officially To LSU + Arian Got a Dog | December 2, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode of Macrodosing is a classic blend of sports analysis, college football drama, and personal stories, as hosts Arian Foster, PFT Commenter, and Big T take listeners through the seismic Lane Kiffin-to-LSU news, the intricacies of the college football coaching carousel, and Arian's life as a new dog owner. The crew dives deep into why college football's chaos, rivalries, and quirks offer something unique in American sports culture, blending humor, sharp insight, and unfiltered opinions.

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Key Topics & Segments

I. Arian Foster Gets a Dog (Django Makes His Debut)

Timestamps: 01:07 – 21:36

• Arian introduces his new puppy, Django: The crew meets Django live on the pod, with Arian describing the breed (Rhodesian Ridgeback) and the joys and struggles of raising a puppy.
• Adjusting to the new routine: Arian shares the challenges – early wake-ups, messes, learning commands, and crate training.
  • Quote (Arian, 05:07): “He's a right now dawg – done pissed three times in my room… he's starting to learn routine though.”
• Emotional side of puppy adoption: Arian admits feeling guilty taking Django from his litter, sparking a discussion on dog social structures.
• Comparing raising puppies to raising humans:
  • Quote (Arian, 16:05): “It’s like having a child all over again, except at least with a child you can put a diaper on ‘em. I think a baby’s easier.”
• The Foster family’s adjustment: His kids’ embrace of Django, with some advice about establishing “hierarchy” when kids are intimidated by the puppy.

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II. College Football Coaching Carousel & Lane Kiffin to LSU

Timestamps: 21:36 – 44:57

• Lane Kiffin leaves Ole Miss for LSU: The group unpacks the saga — from rumors, back-channel chats (including alleged conversations with the Louisiana governor), and the fallout.
  • Quote (Big T, 32:18): “If you stay at Ole Miss and keep doing this, you don't have to win a national title… They were going to give you $13 million too.”
  • Quote (Arian, 31:06): “It seems to me like he’s on a never-ending chase of… I don’t even know what.”
• Drama at Ole Miss: Kiffin called out a local reporter for using the phrase “can’t turn a ho into a housewife” (28:05).
  • Quote (Big T, 28:45): “They beat Mississippi State… then he sees the reporter and says, ‘You want to call me a ho? Why don't you come do it in the tunnel and we'll see what happens.’”
• Comparing coaching transitions: Should coaches moving to new jobs be allowed to finish seasons with old teams? The crew discusses calendar issues, transfer portal chaos, and why college football’s system is so disruptive for athletes and coaches.
• Transfer Portal and NCAA Calendar Issues: Early signing day, coaches switching jobs mid-season, and the “free agency” vibe.

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III. PR Stunts, Dogs, and Lane Kiffin’s Mascot Mystery

Timestamps: 36:29 – 39:37

• Was Lane Kiffin’s “Juice” a fake PR dog? Allegations that the yellow lab “Juice” wasn’t actually Lane’s, but a mascot living with a handler.
  • Quote (PFT, 37:14): “Juice was never Lane Kiffin's dog. He's staying in Oxford with his handler… it was a dog beard, fake dog. We got dogfished.”
  • Quote (Big T, 37:34): “If that's true, that's the worst thing Lane has done. That's public.”

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IV. Why College Football Is Still King & Rivalry Talk

Timestamps: 45:19 – 67:46

• The unique chaos of college football vs. the NFL: Big T makes the argument that no other sport rivals college football for passion, loyalty, and drama.
  • Quote (Big T, 45:19): "There's just nothing like this! This is the best sport that's ever existed."
• All-time rivalry debates: Michigan–Ohio State, Red Sox–Yankees, Auburn–Alabama, Raven–Steelers, Duke–UNC, and how the “stakes” and history make collegiate rivalries feel more real than pro sports.
  • Quote (Big T, 61:05): “There are ten college football rivalries before you get to the next sport.”
• Personal experiences: Arian and PFT reflect on how rivalries shaped their sports fandoms and on “lineage” in college football (47:02, 61:47).
• Random rivalry facts: How “The Iron Bowl” was state-mandated, and how the Michigan–Ohio State “circle the M” moment fell flat (67:01+).

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V. News, Oddities, and Little-Known Sports Nuggets

Timestamps: 50:13 – 56:18

• Apple TV show plagiarizes a 70s film: The crew reacts to “The Hunt” being pulled from release amid plagiarized storyline accusations.
• Famous celebrities in sports: Discussion of rapper Toosie (age 25) committing to play football at Syracuse, and memories of artist-athletes like Master P and 2 Chainz playing college basketball.
  • Quote (Arian, 74:06): "He looks like an average athlete. If he ain't a rapper, he's not getting no D1 scholarship."
• Copyright and college sports:
  • Quote (Arian, 53:21): “Did you know The Lion King was kind of a ripoff of Kimba the White Lion?”

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VI. Listener Voicemails & Fun Segments

Timestamps: 78:17 – 101:13

• Walkout Songs: The hosts pick entrance music for each other:
  • Big T for Arian: “Favorite Song” by Toosie (79:04)
  • Arian for Big T: “Rocky Top”; Big T for PFT: “Enter Sandman”
  • Classic sports hype songs debated: “Firestarter,” “Thunder Rolls,” and others.
• Presidential Policy Prompt: Listeners challenge Arian and Big T to outline their three core domestic policies for a mock presidential debate—set for a future episode.
• High School Sports Loyalty: Advice for a caller who moved to his rival high school’s town—can he root for his old high school until his kids play? Consensus: stay loyal, but cheer for your kids first.
• Recruiting photo shoots and the modern NCAA: The team pokes fun at high school athletes’ elaborate commitment photos and the branding arms race in college sports (95:54+).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Arian’s honest puppy confession:
  “He's a right now dawg – done pissed three times in my room… He's starting to learn routine though.” (05:07)
• Big T on Lane Kiffin’s job jumping:
  “If you stay at Ole Miss… you would have had a statue built, stadium named after you… but there is no job better than LSU, so the only elevation left would be the NFL.” (32:18, 34:27)
• Big T, why college football > NFL:
  “This is a coach who allegedly had a fake dog who is going to a bitter rival… like you just – there’s nothing like that. This is the best sport that's ever existed.” (45:19)
• On rivalry and legacy:
  Arian: “As a football guy… I like watching better football. The storylines, I get it 100%. It's a lineage thing for college football fans.” (46:16)
• PFT on coaching searches:
  "If you're a winning FCS or group of five head coach – please reach out if interested in the James Madison University coaching position." (48:06)
• On high school sports loyalty:
  Arian: “Fuck them kids… but when you play the bae, I'm going with my squad. I'll be decked out in my high school gear while my kids play against their rivals.” (90:39)
• On coaching movement calendar chaos:
  PFT: “The calendar is all screwed up in college football... There’s still football being played and kids are having to decide whether they're leaving their schools while still playing in the College Football Playoff.” (24:54)

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The Show’s Tone: Unfiltered, Witty, and Collegial

• Casual banter, good-natured roasting, and a blend of serious analysis and absurdity (e.g., dog conspiracies, pop culture tangents).
• Hosts openly disagree and challenge each other, especially around college football drama, but always with mutual respect and humor.
• The dog bits (with Arian’s new puppy and Lane Kiffin's fake canine) set the tone: irreverent, authentic, and always ready to chase a tangent.

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Timestamps Snapshot

• 01:07 – Django the dog’s debut and Arian’s adjustment to puppy parenthood.
• 21:36 – Lane Kiffin to LSU: fallout, drama, and speculation.
• 36:29 – The Juice Kiffin PR dog controversy.
• 45:19 – Why college football “tea” makes it the greatest sport.
• 61:05 – Rivalry rankings and debate.
• 78:17 – Listener voicemails: walkout songs, policy debates, high school sports loyalty.
• 90:39 – High school football loyalties and family rivalries.
• 100:01 & on – JMU coaching search, coaching career trajectories, NCAA changes.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is Macrodosing at its best: juggling headlines, big personalities, sports passion, and tangents—from the Kiffin saga to lively discussions on loyalty and rivalry. Whether you’re a college football fanatic, a fan of internet oddities, or just here to hear Arian Foster’s takes on dog ownership, it’s an episode brimming with real talk, laughter, and the joyous chaos of sports culture.

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Listen if you want:

• Unvarnished takes on college football drama.
• A sports podcast where the dog content is as real as the recruiting gossip.
• To understand why nothing, not even Lane Kiffin or a fake mascot, stirs up passion (and pettiness) quite like college football.

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“It’s a soap opera, man. College football is a soap opera… and it’s weird the most meaningful games haven’t even happened yet.” — PFT Commenter (40:40)

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Look at him.

[C]

There he is.

[A]

Look at him. There's Django. Django doesn't have a leash on. You could say he's unchained.

[D]

Ah, Joe. Unchanged. Yeah, so he's. He's pretty chill for his species, but yeah, man, he cool.

[A]

Oh, look at him. Hey, Django.

[D]

Say what's up. So.

[A]

Welcome back to Macro Dosing. It is Tuesday. It is? No. Oh, it's not November. It's December 2nd. December 2nd. Today we're in December. Happy Thanksgiving. Hope everybody had a great one. It's now time for all the other holidays. The war on Christmas is now in full swing and we should fight the war on the war on Christmas on the show. I think we. We did a good job keeping at bay in the first couple years of the show. We took our eyes off the ball. The war on Christmas is back. We're gonna be boots on the ground fighting it. But we got a lot to get to today and it's brought to you by our great friends over at game time. College football seasons here in full swing, tailgates, cheering crowds, the excitement of being in the stands before kickoffs, all that's happening too. If you ever found yourself at a tailgate and decided to grab tickets at the last minute, that's where gametime comes in. Game Time app gives the advantage back to you, the fans. It's the hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in just a few taps, it's easy to use. The game time guarantee means that you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time at the best price. Plus fees are always included. So what you see is what you pay. About to get some some Raven Steelers tickets in Baltimore this weekend. Our researcher, Mike, big Steelers fan. We're going to send him to Baltimore and he'll have a great time at the game. Thanks to game time. Big T, what are you looking at right now in college football?

[C]

I am looking at the 2025 Sunbelt Football Championship. Oh, Trolley.

[A]

Good one.

[C]

At James Madison at a bridge. Fourth stadium.

[A]

Bridge for stadium. Shoker field. Yeah.

[C]

Okay, $71. I can get you into a potential playoff play in game for one of the teams.

[A]

Not Troy.

[C]

Not troy.

[A]

Yeah. With JMU I think is 20 point favorites in that game. 22 and a half it went up.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Crazy. So yeah, that'll be a good game. Important game. I've actually got back to back conference championship games this weekend. Kind of crazy.

[C]

You're. And you're rooting for Duke on Saturday.

[A]

Yeah, Duke's Duke.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's an all Duke weekend.

[C]

Could be a nice parlay.

[A]

It could be a very nice parlay. I might cook that one up. But use game time if you're shopping for tickets and you can get a great deal. We'll give you 20 bucks off your first purchase if you use promo code macro. So download the app, create an account and redeem code macro. Get 20 bucks off with game time. Swipe, tap, ticket. Go download the game time app today. All right, we're back. It is Tuesday, December 2nd, and this podcast just got a new member, Aryan's dog.

[C]

Climb it up.

[A]

Aaron got a dog.

[D]

He did it.

[A]

He did it. If I can change and you can change, then anyone can change.

[D]

Let's pump the brakes. I didn't change. I've had a dog before.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I still don't like yalls dogs. I just like this dog. And so I ain't changed. I ain't changed too much. But it's like a. A little uptick of a change. We could say maybe.

[A]

Yeah. You have a dog? You. You now. Do you love your dog?

[D]

Love? What is love?

[C]

Oh, it's a good start.

[A]

I think he loves.

[C]

He's just.

[A]

He's too proud to admit that he loves it.

[D]

I like him. I mean love. Love is an interesting concept in general. You know, he's a little right now. I'm gonna be honest though.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

He's a right now dawg him pissed three times in my room. He on my carpet this morning. He's. He's starting to learn routine though. You know, he's starting to learn routine. The crate has been a big help. I don't do it for punishments.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Just do it. But I do do it for break time because sometimes he just, he's just gonna. He just chews everything dog. And so you. Except for the chew to get him he 30 chew toys and he chooses everything else but the I gave him. But no, it's been fun. I taught him how to sit already.

[A]

Smart dog.

[D]

Yeah, he's pretty smart. Taught him how to sit with the help of chat GPT. Yeah, it's been fun. A lot of energy this little has. But he sleeps a lot. Definitely sleeps a lot. Yeah man, it's been, it's been interesting. A lot. A lot of compliments. People that like dogs love him.

[A]

Cool.

[D]

So this is just a. I'm tired of though. I had to get up at 3:30 this morning go let him out, go pee. Yeah, fun. Yeah.

[C]

I saw SVP was, was excited. You got the same dog.

[D]

Yeah, he's in the Ridgeback family. Shout out to SVP man.

[A]

Yeah, I think he's a. A serial Ridgeback owner. I think this might be his second Ridgeback that he's had. And Aaron, this is a. It's a big step. I'm glad. I'm happy for you. It's a sweet little dog. His name's Django. I would love to see Django.

[D]

Yeah, his name's Django. Hold on, let me see if I can corral this.

[A]

All right, here he goes. Making his podcast debut. It is Django Foster. That's a cool name. Kind of, it kind of sounds Australian. Django Foster. Reach back.

[C]

Australian for dog.

[A]

Australian. Australian for good boy.

[C]

That's not a bad Australian you got there.

[A]

I, I fade in and out between Australian and British whenever I do it. Look at him.

[C]

There he is.

[A]

Look at him. There's Django. Django doesn't have a leash on. You could say he's unchained.

[D]

Joe. Unchanged. Yeah. So he's, he's pretty chill for his species. But yeah man, he cool.

[A]

Oh, look at him. Hey, Django.

[D]

Say what's up?

[A]

Look at all that loose skin you got. Django. I love that. Gonna grow into that.

[D]

Yeah, he got some big ass paws and you know the Internet says you know, get him used to like touching and feeling and like. So when he's eating and stuff. I'll touch him and shit.

[A]

Yeah, like yeah, that's smart.

[D]

They're pretty cool, man. He's pretty cool.

[A]

Yeah, you're right, though. A little puppy, you have to let him out all the time.

[D]

Every fucking like three or four hours he has to go do stuff.

[A]

They got tiny little bladders and so whenever they drink water just goes right through them. Hey, buddy. How we doing? Django. Yeah. You did good. Good job, Aaron.

[D]

Still can't kiss me in the mouth, though. That weird.

[A]

That's fine. You'll get there.

[E]

Hold on.

[D]

We're gonna put him in this. Hold on.

[A]

Okay. That's a great dog. That's a great dog. I'm very happy for Aaron.

[D]

Hey, is a cup of coffee possible.

[A]

For the dog?

[C]

You tell us.

[A]

No. Very bad for the dog. Yeah, don't give your dog coffee real.

[C]

Quick while he's gone. And we talked about JMU football. Condolences on the departure of coach Chesney.

[A]

Bob Chesney. Yeah. So the thing is he's a great, He's a great coach. I hope that he's going to be able to, to coach throughout the playoff if Jamie makes it. I know the report was that they plan on letting him do that.

[C]

I think so, yeah.

[A]

We'll see what happens. But I think he will. I think that at this point, if you're losing a coach to a, to a power conference, all the group of five schools seem to be rather chill about letting their coaches move on and, and it's not like a big drama filled exit.

[C]

Right.

[A]

We're friends. We know that. We knew that this day was coming. It still kind of sucks. So now, now I guess I'm in the coaching search bucket. So I need to, I need to get with my guys and figure out who we're going to hire because I want the next up and coming guy. He's probably going to leave in two years, but this is, you know, this is the life that I choose.

[D]

Mike Vick.

[A]

Mike Vick for jmu.

[C]

So they good this year?

[A]

You just put Django away.

[D]

Who cares? Mike? He couldn't hear it.

[A]

The Duke dogs, I mean, can you imagine the pictures of Mike Vick next to her mascot?

[C]

They went one in 11 this season.

[A]

Listen, I think Mike Vick has, he's paid his society. He's. He knows a lot of football. He knows the area that. I'll say that about Mike Vick. He'd be able to recruit the out of Virginia.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. You give it, you give a guy like that access so he can get talent.

[A]

Yep. So so this morning I'm actually behind on the news. Big T. I did not actually hear about Bob Chesney until I sat down at this desk like 15 minutes ago.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, I, I had, I, I do this once every like six years. I fell asleep last night, did not set my alarm. I usually wake up at 8:39 regardless on a Monday morning. It's a late night sometimes on Sundays for, for part of my take. So I, I usually go to bed around like 2 2:30 and then I'll wake up right at like 8:30, get ready to come in on Monday. This morning I rolled over, I looked at my phone, it was 11:15. Wow. The panic that sets in.

[C]

That would explain your text at hold please. Yeah, your text at 11:26am at 9:33 MacKenzie said, would you guys be able to start at 11:15 or 11:30, Arian? And I said yep, no problem. PFT at 11:26. Said my bad guys got to go at noon.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is fine.

[A]

Yeah, I try not to do that. And that's on me for being late. I'm usually pretty good about. I, I usually do set an alarm. I guess I forgot to last night. But when I don't set an alarm, I usually wake up anyways at 8:30 or 9. But the, the feeling that you get when you look at your phone, it's 11:15. You planned on being awake like two and a half hours ago. And all the text that you missed, all the stuff that you have to catch up on, it is the most anxiety inducing moment ever.

[C]

See, I actually am envious of your ability to do that. I wake up at about between 7 and 7:30 every single day, regardless of what time I go to bed.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If I go to bed at 10, I will wake up at 7. If I go to bed at 2:30, I will wake up at 7. That's just what time I wake up. So I'm keenly aware of that. Anytime I, on a Friday night, I play video games too long, I look up and it's 115. I'm like, this is, this is going to suck tomorrow morning because I'm waking up at 7.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

That's just what time I wake up.

[A]

Yep. It's good to have that internal alarm and I usually do. But this morning it was all different. It was. But yeah, it's, it's a stressful way to wake up, being behind on everything, behind on the news. But we're back. We're back. I feel like I'm, I'm locked in right now for this episode, mostly because of Django is so happy and excited to see Django for the first time. Are you letting him sleep with you?

[D]

No. What the. Listen, I told you, I ain't. Like, I'm not. Like, he's not gonna kiss me in the mouth, not gonna sleep with me. He sleeps. I allow him to lay on me when he's resting. You know what I mean? That's. That's, that's all right. But, like, as far as, like, sleeping in my bed? Nah, dog. Hell no. He's still a dog. You know what I mean? But he's just the homie. Like, you know, like, he sleeps in a little crate beside my bed.

[C]

Are you going on walks with him or just, like, letting him out in the yard?

[D]

No, I. I take him on walks every day. Like, twice. Twice a day. Love that. Not that interested in ducks as I thought he would be because we got a duck pond, like, right by the crib, and he just kind of, like, looks at him and then go on about his little smelling business. Don't know how he interacts with other dogs yet. I took him to the fence of another dog who's like a little. One of those little purse dogs. He always be yapping when we go to the duck pond. And Django's kind of scared. He didn't know what to make of it. But I know he. I know he's been around like his brothers and sisters because, like, we. We got him from a farm. Like, these people own, like, a farm. There was chickens and cows and goats and she was crazy. So he's been around other animals and stuff in his life, but, like, in the city, he hasn't really yet, so we'll see how that goes. And that was that. That's another note that was kind of sad, too. Prying him away from his family. That was kind of sad, dog. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, I had second. I had second thoughts while his mom was, you know, I mean, like, I was like, damn, I'm about to kidnap this.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But the thing is, they. It's natural for them. Like, they're.

[D]

You can justify how you want. I am.

[A]

Do you think that if you. That if humans did not adopt dogs, you think that they would just live with their, like, parents and grandparents and brothers and sisters until old age?

[D]

I don't know about old age, but they're pack animals.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Are they not? I thought.

[A]

I mean, I know they're descended from.

[D]

Wolves, and wolves are definitely pack animals.

[A]

They're social animals. I I guess that'd be interesting to find out, like, what, what happens, what happens with like wild dogs?

[D]

Well, they're domesticated now, so. Well, yeah. Yes. Dogs are considered pack animals and they naturally live in social groups for survival. Yeah.

[A]

So how much.

[D]

No, I definitely connected. Huh.

[A]

How much does he eat now?

[D]

He's like two, three times a day. And he. We mix in. The lady told us to mix in some wet food with his kibble and she suggested which kind we get. And so we mix in the wet food with his kibble and kind of make him. It's like his vegetables, you know, we got to make him eat his vegetables. So he eats pretty pretty much the. They told us to get one of those, what was called slow feeding bowls. Yeah, I had no idea what that was. But apparently if he, his type of breed, if he don't get a slow feeding bowl, he just inhales his food. It doesn't really chew it or something, I don't know. So he has to like, kind of work for it a little bit in his bowl. So. Fun times, man. Up early and late.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Cleaning up pissed. That's the thing that's pissing me off the most is this little be peeing everywhere dog. And you have to attack it. You got to get a certain chemical to dry it up and to vacuum it. It's just, it's a hat. It's like having a child over again, except at least with a child you put a diaper on them. You know what I mean? I think it's easier to raise a. Like a, like a baby. I think a baby's easier.

[A]

Yeah, good point. I agree. They're in.

[D]

I'm serious. I got five of them. Like, babies are like more delicate, but when they're young, young like that, they just, they'll cry. Sure. But I could deal with the crying, the puppy cries. It's just the constant monitoring, monitoring. And you gonna. Something up, you're gonna chew something, you're gonna rip something down. You got. And my house isn't puppy proof, so it's like everything is a. Is a target for him. And with the baby, it's like they, they start to understand. Well, I don't know. We'll see, man. But as of right now, easier to raise a human.

[A]

I like that. I appreciate that. I hope that anybody out there that would yell at me for, for saying something like that heeds Aryan's words because Arian knows. He knows.

[D]

Wait, is that controversial?

[A]

No, I, I say that sometimes just to piss people off. Like I'll be like, yeah, I got a dog. It's pretty much harder than having a baby.

[D]

And then a puppy is for sure.

[A]

There you go. There you go. No, you do have to let a dog out all the time. You got to make sure that they're not chewing on stuff. It took until Blake was probably, I'd say nine months old to let him kind of like be on his own in a room that I wasn't in because, yeah, they like to chew. And we have to get you a Hank chew toy.

[D]

Well, now, see, I've seen this joke flying around on me at Twitter so much, but I have no idea what is the reference. What is a Hank chew toy?

[A]

No, it's just a great dog toy that we invented at part of my take. And so we sold it for Black Friday. It sold out within five minutes and.

[D]

All right, send me one.

[A]

Yeah, we'll get you one as soon as we get. Actually, you know what? I think I have one in the studio. They're sold out right now, but I can package one up and send. Send my personal one to you, Aaron.

[D]

I appreciate that, man. Have Hank sign it.

[A]

Oh, that's good. Yeah, I'll have Hank, like just. I'll rub it on Hank so it'll get some of this scent. And then when your dog meets Hank for the first time, he's gonna be like, it's my best friend. Except he's huge now around.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, so by the time I. Yeah, if he ever meets him, then Django gonna be huge too. Yeah, he gonna be a big ass dog.

[A]

I think so. What are they saying, like 110, 120 pounds?

[D]

The lady said 120 to 130.

[A]

Yep, it's a good dog.

[D]

I like, I want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna soft get like a softy at heart. But if somebody walk in, you know what I'm saying, he can give it to you if we. If it need be. That's what I want it.

[A]

Good protection dog.

[D]

Yeah. And he's. He's a gorgeous looking dog. Like, his coat is exactly what I was looking for. Remember I told you I was looking for like a fox red lab at first, but like I found a ridgeback with that red tint.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Yeah, man, I'm excited. It's fun.

[A]

It's been a fun experience.

[D]

It is tough as shit, but like, it's. It's fun. It's fun to be a part of. Kids love him. Kids absolutely love him.

[A]

Are they gonna take care of him? They're gonna help.

[D]

They already have my daughter, 16 year old, she been on him when he, when he was in the car and we was riding him back, he threw up on her. And she was like, hey, this what mama gotta do.

[A]

The game is the game.

[D]

The game was the game. So everybody loves him except for my youngest. She's, she's the, she's the youngest. So he like, naturally he tries to like. And maybe you can give me some experience here because this is kind of like odd to me. Anytime she's by herself, he like goes directly to her, like, and she just kind of like turns her back. She's kind of intimidated because he's, you know, he's not trying to like bite her, but he's like, he's like very excited to see her when everybody else kind of like can chew him away or at least calm him down a little bit. She can't. And so like every time he sees her, he's just on her.

[A]

Yeah. So some kids are like that and they'll, especially younger kids, they'll move away from the dog and try to get away from it. And that makes the dog want to go after you more because it's, it becomes like a game. If they see like a kid, if it's a little puppy that sees a kid like running away from it, it will just chase that kid because it's like, okay, they're trying to get away from me. That means I should probably chase them. So it's like a catch 22. It's just something she'll get better with when she gets more comfortable with the dog.

[D]

Yeah. My seven year old was like that at first, but I told her, you have to like, I don't know if this is the correct terminology. I was like, you have to establish it like a hierarchy. Yeah. So that he knows that he's lower than you in the back. And like once you kind of stand your ground, he kind of just like leaves you alone. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, I would just say don't tell your kids, like, don't run away from it.

[D]

Got you.

[A]

Yeah. Stand your ground from him.

[D]

Don't, don't misgender my dog.

[A]

Stand your ground from him.

[D]

There you go. Yeah, not like too much, but, you know. Yeah.

[A]

Not. Yeah, not like Castle doctrine, but just, you know, ten toes down.

[D]

There you go.

[A]

Ten toes down around this dog. Let the dog know. Well, congratulations. I look forward to watching Django grow up and become a happy, well adjusted, beautiful young dog.

[D]

My, my ultimate goal is for him to walk the course with me. That's my ultimate goal. Off leash. Walk the. Walk the course.

[A]

Very cool.

[C]

Would your club allow that?

[D]

Doesn't matter if he's a service animal. Oh, I'm gonna go full Karen on with that one.

[C]

I would love that.

[D]

I mean, it helps with my anxiety and such.

[A]

Very cool.

[D]

Yeah. Shout out to me for getting the dog.

[A]

Shout out to you. I'm happy. I'm very happy for you, man. Honey, grand big T. You want to talk a little? Little Kiffin? I can't wait to hear your insights. Not much news on Lane Kiffin, but, I mean, everything that happened over the weekend.

[C]

No, I mean, did something happen? I don't.

[A]

Oh, well, yeah. So Lane Kiffin, very unfairly, will not be allowed to coach the team that he doesn't coach anymore.

[C]

To be clear, you did just advocate for your coach to be allowed to coach the team he doesn't coach anymore.

[A]

There is a mate. There is a. That's a great. That's a great fact or a great line for you to use an argument, but I think you know that it's much different from what Lane is it. I don't think ucla. And let me check. You know what? There's been a lot of realignment recently. So let me see if JMU and you actually are in the same.

[D]

It's a bad argument.

[C]

Eric, I think I know what you're about to say. Yeah, just continue, because I want to make sure.

[A]

Okay. So the difference is that Lane Kiffin left Ole Miss to go to a hated rival in their own conference.

[C]

Sure. Much better job.

[A]

Much better. Well, it's a. It's definitely a better job, but, I mean, you're in the same conference.

[C]

It's a much better job, but you're.

[A]

In the same conference.

[C]

I understand that.

[A]

That's. I understand it's degrees. And they left on, shall we call it acrimonious terms.

[C]

Literally threw his clothes out in the street.

[A]

Yeah. So if you go to a conference rival, you can't be coaching your team, your old team, after you've already accepted the offer to leave to their hated enemy.

[C]

I don't disagree.

[A]

And you're also probably going to be recruiting some of those same guys to come with you 100%. Now, with JMU, I would be surprised if Bob Chesney didn't bring some of the JMU players with him to ucla, actually. But I also think that those are the players that would be in the transfer portal no matter where he ended up going. He's not going to be bringing, like, it's going to be our best players that Leave next season in this offseason. And yeah, probably some of them will follow coach when he goes to ucla. But you can't fault a guy for taking a power forward job, a job as prestigious as UCLA football coach, and leaving Harrisonburg, Virginia, on his way out. Like, I can't. I can't blame a guy for taking that job.

[C]

No, you don't blame him. But I mean, the same circumstances that exist at UCLA as they do at lsu, like, they need to coach. They're. They're hiring you. They're paying you a lot of money.

[A]

I think that Bob Chesney will still be committed to coaching his best football as JMU has a chance to go to the College Football Playoff. Something that, that would be unthinkable to me even 10 years ago or eight years ago.

[C]

I don't have a problem with it. I'm just saying everybody's saying there's no way you can allow Lane Kiffin to coach. And I agree. But like, the same deal should apply to everybody, should it not?

[A]

Well, in theory, yes. I agree with that. I think that the calendar is all screwed up in college football.

[C]

Yeah. It's insane. Signing day is as people are listening to this tomorrow.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is nuts.

[A]

So you have to.

[D]

Really.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And the transfer portal that. The time of year where you have to make those decisions, it's all screwed up because there's still football being played and kids are having to decide whether or not they're going to be leaving their schools that are still playing perhaps in the College Football Playoff. And they have to. They have to make that decision while the year is going on, while the. While the season is still in play. So the calendar is all screwed up. You got coaches that are leaving all week this week. And I don't blame. It's not really the coach's fault. It's not the school's fault. It's the calendar's fault, which I guess is set by the schools, but it's not a good system that's in place. You typically don't have this in other sports.

[C]

Yeah, it is crazy.

[A]

So, yeah, I mean, I wish. I wish nothing but the best for Bob Chesney. Yeah, he's. He's been a great coach. I wish that he was at JMU for longer. But again, goes back to. If we're going to be a stepping stone, school might as well be the best one out there, and we should be able to attract a pretty good coach. Now, as. As per Lane Kiffin, the way this saga played out was kind of Nuts. His name obviously has been talked about for months right now. Is he going to stay after this year? Is he not? And I thought as recently as a few weeks ago that he was going to stay at Ole Miss, but then everything shook out at LSU and there was a report. Actually, I want to read this report because it came out on November 11th. This is from Peter Hamby. This is LSU Lane Kiffin News. Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry continues to get personally involved in the Tigers coaching hunt. At a political fundraiser in Baton Rouge tonight, Landry said he had spoken to Lane Kiffin, quote, for two hours about the LSU gig. But he also joked that Matt Moscona knows more about the job search than he does, per source in the room. Matt Moscona is a host of After Further Review. That's a ESPN show in Baton Rouge. His radio guy. That post was flagged for false information by Community Notes. It said, this is false information. Matt Moscona clarified it never happened, and even called the governor to confirm that he never talked to Lane. When I saw this report from Peter Hamby, I was like, Peter's probably right about this.

[C]

I mean, given the level of power the governor seemed to have had in this situation, I'd be surprised if they didn't speak.

[A]

Yeah, I think that on or before November 18, the governor of Louisiana talked to Lane Kiffin on the phone for two hours about the coaching job. I think at that point, Lane Kiffin agreed that he would take the job. And then he kind of just kept dragging it on. I think what Lane was doing, he was just trying to not have to say anything publicly because he really did want to coach Ole Miss throughout the playoffs. And he was just hoping that if he didn't say publicly that he was leaving lsu, that he would be allowed to do that and stick around.

[C]

My thing is, I think there's really nothing he could have done up until Friday. Friday is when he started to make things really bad. The thing with the reporter was insane. The hoe into a housewife deal.

[A]

Did you see that, Aaron?

[D]

Was that the AI thing?

[A]

No. There was an Ole Miss podcast or journalist, and on a show recently, they were talking about Lane leaving. Is he going to stay? It seems like he's flirting with all these other schools. And he said it's the old saying, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife.

[C]

About Lane Giffen, which, whatever you think about the phrasing, he was correct. He was saying that Lane's going to be Lane, he's going to leave, he's going to make it a fiasco, which is what happened.

[D]

I've seen a couple hoes turn. Turn their life around, but. So I don't. I don't judge, but it does look to be an accurate depiction of the situation.

[C]

He. And so I guess if you didn't hear that he, like, went after the report, they won on Friday. They beat Mississippi State. And he sees the reporter walking off the field and walks up to him and says, you want to call me a hoe? Why don't you come do it in the tunnel and we'll see what happens.

[D]

That's what that was about.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay. So that little white boy called him. Oh, yeah.

[C]

So he gets into that thing on Friday, then, like, goes at him again in the post game press conference. Then Saturday, it starts kind of leaking out. Like, hey, something's happening. Something's going on. And it keeps dragging out, keeps dragging it out. Then Saturday, he tweets from his dog's Twitter account, hey, do you think dogs are allowed at the SEC championship? Because they would have made it had Alabama lost. And I started to think, because it seemed pretty much inevitable at that point he was going to lsu. And I was like, well, you don't tweet that, right, if you're leaving. Like, what a weird thing to do. And then he had a meeting at the athletic director's house for hours and hours, and there was a report that he was watching the Iron bowl at the football facility with Pete Golding, who's the new Ole Miss head coach. And Golding said to him, like, you should go. Get your ass out of here and watch that at home. This isn't your office anymore, which I love, but I. All of that, like, before that, I don't really know what he was supposed to do. If he announces he's leaving before the Egg bowl, he's a traitor. Everyone hates him like they do now. If he. He was trying to stay and coach the playoff, which, like, I understand why he's not allowed to do that, but if he had up and left the team, they would have said that was bad, too. I think he handled it the last 48 hours very poorly. Yeah, but other than that, like, I mean, people are going to hate him regardless.

[A]

Yeah. If you make this move, you're going to be hated. He. It sounded like he could have made this announcement after the Egg Bowl. You're right.

[C]

I think if he comes out Saturday morning and says, guys, I'm. I. I loved my time in Oxford, like, I've made this decision to leave, I understand. I'M going to be, you know, reviled for it here, but I think this is a great opportunity and what we were able to accomplish here was incredible. Like, people still would have hated him. Would have been way better than what happened.

[D]

Link, My only thing with this is like, it seems to me like he's on like a never ending chase of like, I don't even know what.

[C]

That's correct.

[D]

You didn't had prime jobs, you had a Tennessee job, you had a USC job. So to me it's like, what are you chasing? You know what I mean? Like, to me, you have a great situation. You have an SEC school that you have taken and made a real competitor out of. Was it three 10 win seasons in a row? That's a, to me, if I was a coach, that's what I would dream. I don't even know that I would want like a huge job, like an LSU job. Because if you don't do what you got to do in the next three years, they're going to get rid of your job 100%. So it's like you, you take Ole Miss, you make them a competitor, you a staple, and you a legend in that place. Is that not what you want? And that's what I don't understand what he's actually chasing. Like, I would love a reporter to ask him that question. Like, what are you actually chasing? And maybe is he just chasing like a championship maybe? I don't know. I mean, that could be the case. But it's like to me, that's just me as a competitor. I like to build from the ground up. That's like if I was a, I would love to build from the ground up. And to me, that's a prime example how you could change the conference's future. You can change that school's future because you have a great solid foundation there. You understand how the portal works. You can get, you can recruit. Now, like, what are you chasing, dog? I don't know.

[C]

I do think, honestly, unless he screws it up in various ways, I think he's probably going to kill it there. Like, I think the resources you have at lsu, I mean, Brian Kelly's the only coach there, what, this century that hasn't won a national championship?

[A]

Recruiting is easier in Louisiana.

[C]

You automatically get every kid in Louisiana. You can recruit nationally in Texas and Mississippi and everywhere else. Like, I think he's probably going to kill it. But like, this is what I'm saying.

[D]

I don't, I don't know that. Because you had that opportunity at Tennessee and you dipped at the first year.

[E]

Right.

[D]

Was it the first year? It was the first year.

[C]

Yeah. It was only their year.

[D]

And you go to usc where that's. That's prime real estate, too. So you're prime real estate in a top notch SE school and a top notch at the 10 Pac 10 school coming off of a dynasty. So you've had those opportunities before which you squandered. I'm skeptical.

[C]

The problem, but what I was going to say is if you stay at Ole Miss and keep doing this, you don't have to win a national title, you don't have to win the sec. If he just does what he'd been doing, he would have had a statue built in the stadium named after him.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's like LSU is unquestionably a better job. No question about it. Whatever you want to say, he has made Ole Miss into a great job. It's nowhere near lsu, but, like, you had it. They were going to give you $13 million too, like.

[A]

Yeah, but.

[C]

But listen, if he goes there and wins two titles, like, nobody, nobody's gonna say anything. I agree. And I think he's probably gonna do really well.

[A]

He should do well. It's. Now, if you think that the drama at Ole Miss was messy at the end, and it was, there's a lot of opportunity for drama in Baton Rouge, too.

[C]

Oh, it could be incredible because you've.

[A]

Got the governor involved, you've got all the state politicians, you've got all the big donors at LSU that like to throw their weight around, that they're big personalities down there and he should win. And. But if you told me like three years from now this exact scenario plays over again and Lane leaves for an NFL job, I would believe you.

[C]

And that's what's really interesting is that's really the only level above. There's no job better than LSU.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You could say there are a couple, but LSU's top five unquestionably. And I think there's an argument it might be the best job in America. So really, the only elevation that's left would be the NFL if he wants to pursue that again. So I'd be very curious, like, because like Arian said, he has been on a constant ascent. It's whether he got fired or moved on. Like, he's always been gunning for the next job.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And now that that doesn't really exist.

[A]

Yeah. The NFL, though, I, I do think, I think that's the next one for him because that it didn't end well. With him, obviously, with the Raiders, Al Davis put together, like, a. A slideshow, an overhead projector that he wheeled out. Do you remember that big T?

[C]

Oh, yeah. I don't, but I know of it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Al Davis wheeled out an overhead projector and. And gave a presentation on why he. He was firing Lane Kiffin. It's pretty crazy. It was a. It was a wild scene. Did not work out for him in the NFL. If things start to go sideways at LSU.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

That's.

[A]

That's the next step.

[C]

If he goes 9 and 3 next year, they're going to be pissed.

[A]

They will be pissed. Yeah. I think it's like, national championship in the next four years. Get to a. Get to a national championship game in, like, the next three.

[C]

And by the way, LSU plays at Ole Miss and at Tennessee next season, which will be very entertaining to watch.

[A]

And we still got games going on, too, and Ole Miss is going to be in the playoffs.

[C]

Yeah. We got to figure out. I'm not the first person to say this. We got to figure out this calendar. It's insane.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The playoff feels like an afterthought.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like. Like, players are leaving, coaches are leaving. Like, your whole point, your whole goal is to get to the playoff, and then you get there, and guys like, hey, I'm leaving for another job. I'm entering the portal. Like, we got to figure this out. It needs to be maybe like the NFL, where if you want to coach who's in the playoff, that's great, but you got to wait until after that's done, and then signing day should be after that as well. Obviously, you don't want teams missing out on signing day because of that. Put it back in February. I know everybody thought this December thing was a great deal, but now we play till the end of January, so it's a whole mess.

[A]

It is a whole mess. Maybe the biggest scandal, though, that emerging from Lane Kiffin leaving Oxford and moving to Baton Rouge is the saga behind his dog, Juice Kiffin. Juice Kiffin, the unofficial mascot of Ole Miss Yellow Lab. Yeah. Well, Juice might not have ever been his dog. Area Juice is staying behind in Oxford. According to the Internet, they're saying that Juice was never Lane Kiffin's dog. He's staying in Oxford with his handler, who he has always lived with. It was a PR Stunt dog. It was a beard. It was a dog beard, fake dog. It was a dog that does exist, but it was all dogfished.

[D]

We got dog fished.

[A]

Yeah. The relationship was all for show. And so Juice Kiffin Is not Lane's dog. He's not going to lsu. He's going to stay in Oxford. That's where he lives. He has a whole family in Oxford. That is not Lane Kiffin. And I feel like I've been lied to.

[C]

If that's true, that's the worst thing Lane has done. That's public.

[D]

I would agree.

[A]

He left his dog on the tarmac.

[D]

Damn. You would never Aryan fake like, I had a dog. Like, why?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Does that win you favor? Like, do y' all like that kind of shit? When people have dogs, you think highly. More highly of them?

[A]

Well, I. I don't know. I. This was a whole. A big PR stunt that the university pulled off. They lied to us too.

[C]

It doesn't sway my opinion tremendously, but it does help if somebody's got a nice golden retriever. I'm like, you know what?

[D]

That.

[C]

That guy's a good guy.

[D]

What the fuck? Why?

[C]

Because. Because he had a dog and he had a Twitter account. It was fun. But now that's fake dogs.

[D]

So you don't even have a dog?

[C]

Well, not yet. I've actually. I almost got a dog, like, a week ago. There was a very good dog that was on the market. It was a Chihuahua rat terrier mix.

[D]

What the fuck? That sound like one of them small little thing.

[C]

It's small. Ish. Yeah. But Lane Kiffin's had some fun tarmac moments now.

[A]

He's an all time tarmac guy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All time. Getting flipped off by everybody at the airport yesterday, getting left on the tarmac at usc. Big T, would you stay?

[D]

Wanting to be. He's a perpetual bad guy. It's.

[A]

He likes the drama.

[C]

Yeah, but he kind of like, we need those.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And he kind of loves it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Not even kind.

[D]

He does like me.

[A]

It's perfect for college football.

[D]

Shout out to Scarface.

[A]

It's per. Do you think that. Would you think more highly of Lane Kiffin if he. When he. He left Oxford, if he actually took Juice with him, even though Juice was never his dog and never lived with him. That's real.

[C]

I feel like you have to.

[A]

I would. I would respect that move. If he, likes, kidnapped his. His fake dog and he was like, let's make this real, babe.

[C]

If the dog's name is Juice Kiffin and you move, you got to take the dog.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, sorry.

[A]

All right. It's a very valuable bargaining chip.

[C]

Juice Kiffin's Twitter bio is unofficial. Ole Miss mascot. Only child of Lane Kiffin that can be trusted with a credit card. Previous Home at Wild Rose Kennels. Sounds like might still be or something.

[A]

So they. Yeah. I mean, the slam on. On Lane's daughters. That's implied in the Twitter bio of his fake dog. Is kind of wild, isn't it?

[C]

Have you seen. There's a TikTok of his daughter. She buys something. They're at, like, a mall, and he's like, how much was that? And she says, like, 800 bucks or something. And he checks his pulse. That's good.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, imagine Lane Kiffin flying away on a jet with Juice, his formerly fake dog, and Marty Smith, both taken hostage.

[C]

That's actually. That's a great movie premise. A football coach takes another job, but he has to keep his fake dog.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That was a mascot for the team.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And then. But the dog's real. Shithead.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is ruining everything. This is. Yeah, it's a. It's a crazy. It's a soap opera, man. College football is a soap opera. It just kind of. It's. It's weird that the games are still going on. Very meaningful games. The most meaningful part of the season hasn't happened yet.

[C]

Right. This is.

[D]

I thought this wasn't the last season of the game of the season.

[C]

This is regular season.

[A]

And then we've got conference championships this weekend, and then the playoffs.

[C]

Ole Miss is in the playoff and could. He can't even conceivably win it.

[D]

So y'. All. And y' all are saying, don't let him coach. Or you are. Eric.

[A]

No, I. I don't think.

[C]

No, you can't.

[A]

You can't.

[D]

I would say if I. If I'm the. What is it? A GM or AD I don't know what it is in college. If I'm the.

[C]

Both. Right?

[D]

You should. They should have both.

[C]

Right.

[D]

I'm leaving it up to the players because. Yeah, I get the loyalty thing. Yeah, you leaving to somebody. But, like, we grinding for this season, and if we have an opportunity to win this thing, hey, man, let's finish what we started.

[C]

Kiffin claimed the players wanted him to coach. It seems like that's probably not true.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. As a GM Or. Yeah. Ad Whatever. I go to him. Hold. Hold up.

[A]

Hold.

[D]

A. Players only meet, no coaches involved. Like, let's put it to a vote. Y' all want him. Y' all want to finish what y' all started? Or y'. All. Or y' all want to do an interim. Because if you do an interim head coach, unless there's somebody else, like, so a lot of times. A lot of times coaches are like, just the face, and they're not actually involved. I don't think that's the case with Kiffin, but sometimes there's, like, a coach who is as involved as the head coach and is probably a little bit more liked as well. So sometimes those interim coaches could be like, hey, now, our real guys at the helm. That could be the case. But just hold. Just hold the players on the meeting, say, yo, y' all want to finish what you started? Because it's still. You still got a chance to win this motherfucker.

[C]

So they didn't even name Pete Golding, the interim. He's the new permanent head coach. They just went ahead. Their coaching search lasted two hours.

[D]

Really.

[C]

He was their defensive coordinator and who the players seem to love, but you just can't. If you've taken another job with a conference rival, you just can't coach there anymore. Just period. End of story. And I do understand, like, but that's on him to want to. If you've built a team that got to the playoff, it should be on you to want to. If you want to coach him, then coach him, then be the coach here. Like, that's.

[D]

I am excited because Dick Bartel finally came around. He put out a tweet expressing that sentiment. Like, yo, you know, it's just. It's just business. Yada, yada, woo. You know, players can move on. He's such a. I don't want to, you know, talk shit about.

[C]

He's an old man.

[D]

I mean, he'd just be riding the wave or whatever's popular. Because now it's like, oh, business as usual. Whatever. That's. That's the case when it's. Before, you were so loyal to the whatever, though. But I'm. I'm of the ilk. Like, like, yo, I. I get the loyalty factor. I. I get it. But that. There. There is a point to that. After the season, I'm pretty sure there's going to be people that are transferring into the transfer portal. Portal. They get to finish out right now. What if one of those players from the transfer portal go to LSU or go to a Tennessee or go to another, you know, conference.

[C]

That's going to happen.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. So, like, why do they get to. Why. Why are they not? You know what I'm saying? I've always been like, even when Kiffin left, that was my opinion. My opinion of Kiffin was like, yeah, shitty. But that's business. Like, in no other. In no Other, like genre, other than sports. Is this considered weird?

[C]

Well, here's why it's different. If a player entered the transfer portal right now, they wouldn't be allowed to play anymore. They're. They're doing it after the season. It's. It just so happens.

[D]

But it don't work like that though, with coaches though.

[C]

Correct. Because LSU needs a coach like that. Signing days Wednesday. Like they're prepping for next season. Like they need their coach. And you agreed to go do that, so go do it.

[D]

Yeah, but I guess the difference would be you got to finish. That's. That's what I teach my kids. Finish what you started. Yeah, I get it. Probably feels yucky, but we grinded for a 10 win season. That's hard to do in the SEC.

[C]

11.

[D]

Let's finish this thing. 11 wins. Come on, man. Let's finish this thing out. I'll see you on the other side. It'll be that much better. See, I'm the type of cat, like, if he leaving me, I'm not going with him. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm gonna whoop your ass. Cause they play next year, right?

[C]

Every year.

[D]

This what you love.

[C]

Play in Oxford.

[D]

This what you left. See me, that's the type of dude I am, though.

[C]

This is why, though, anytime someone tries to give me any sort of argument of why the NFL is better than college football, there's just no argument that can exist in my mind because this is a coach who allegedly had a fake dog who is going to like a bitter rival. And like people went to the airport to cuss him out as he got on the plane and they threw his clothes out in the street. Like, like you just. There's nothing like that. This is the best sport that's ever existed.

[D]

You like the gossip, dude.

[C]

It's a. It's better than any reality show that's ever been put on television.

[D]

You like that? See, I. I don't. I don't like the gossip.

[C]

It's not even gossip. It's just like that fan experience that's part of it. But that you don't get that in professional sports.

[D]

It's okay. You like. You like tea, Big T?

[C]

Sometimes.

[D]

Yeah, I understand the argument is it's better football.

[C]

Yeah, that just.

[A]

That.

[C]

That doesn't do anything for me.

[D]

I feel you. And as a football guy, I guess I could, I could proclaim that, right? Yeah, I like watching better football. Like, so it's. It's hard to watch really bad football. Like, I get frustrated right and so when you watch the NFL, there's less bad football. There's still some bad football to go on. But, like, they're professionals and you're watching that. Best of the best do it. That is, to me, more appealing. Like, the storylines. I get. I get it 100%. Like, you know, I mean, if you like the drama. And it's like a lineage thing for college football fans. Like, my grandpa went to this school. My grandpa's grandpa drank out of different water fountains at this school. But I get it, though, you know, It's a lineage thing.

[C]

Yeah, 100%. And, like, you can go. Like, when you go to a game, you're going back to where you went to school. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to the Georgia Dome.

[D]

100. Yeah, I get it.

[C]

I might not be going back for a while, but you get to do that.

[A]

You do. All right. A lot of drama. I've been thinking more about who I want as my next head coach. We got a good defensive coordinator. I don't know if he's going to go to ucla. He probably will, but he was a defense coordinator at Alabama. I think he was at Wisconsin for a little bit.

[D]

Who's that?

[A]

Maybe higher from within. Hitchler.

[C]

I'm not familiar with his work.

[A]

He's a very good defensive coach. I don't know if we're going to hire from within that. You know what's crazy. So Bob Chesney, he coached at Holy Cross. That's Bill Simmons school.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

So he's Bill Simmons guy. Then he moved to jmu. He's my guy now. He's at ucla. He's just. He's leveling up throughout the sports podcasting ecosystem to now where he's Liam Blutman's guy.

[C]

Right.

[A]

He maybe just likes the clout. Who knows? But, yeah, if you. If you out there are a. A winning FCS or lesser Group of 5 head coach, please reach out to me if you're interested in the James Madison University coaching position.

[C]

Think Will Stein would take that job?

[A]

Possibly.

[C]

I think that'd be incredible. Hire.

[A]

Now, what about. What about Mike Shanahan? Not the Denver Broncos, Washington Commanders Redskins football team head coach Mike Shanahan, the, I believe, offensive coordinator at Indiana.

[C]

I'm not as familiar with his work.

[A]

So obviously he's working with Signetti.

[C]

Right.

[A]

He was at James Madison as an assistant. Signetti got poached. What if we poach him back? Would you leave being the offensive coordinator at Indiana to be the head coach at James Madison?

[C]

How Much am I making at each job?

[A]

I'm going to guess at Indiana, you're probably making a million dollars.

[C]

Probably.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think at jmu you'd probably be making about a million dollars.

[C]

The same salary, maybe.

[D]

Yeah. No, I'm not leaving.

[A]

Because you think you can get a better job if Indiana continues.

[C]

Yeah. And you're. You're not opening yourself up to the scrutiny of being ahead. Like, you take that risk and that leap because you're going to make a lot more money.

[A]

Right. He's making 800 grand a year. I think we'd probably be able to give him a raise. I think we could probably get them up to, let's say, 1.1 mil.

[C]

I think you need to double that.

[A]

Cost of living in Harrisonburg. Pretty good.

[C]

Bloomington, not too expensive.

[A]

Bloomington is. They'll eat you alive in Bloomington.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Might as well be in Manhattan.

[C]

I think rent just hit $1,000 there. It's getting tough.

[A]

Yeah, it is tough. What else we got in the news today?

[C]

I don't know, dude. I was. There wasn't a ton. You see this Apple show that's getting canceled because they plagiarized the whole thing.

[A]

What show?

[C]

It was called Hunt the Hunt, and it was a French show that was, I think, getting ready to come out, like, in the next week or 2. And Apple TV has pulled upcoming French thriller the Hunt from its December slate. And now we know why. Creator and director Cedric Ungair has been accused of ripping off the series story from the 1973 novel Shoot by Douglas Fairbairn, which previously was adapted into the 1976 film shoot. And I read the synopsis. Synopsis of both. And they're exactly the same.

[A]

They're the same story.

[C]

Exactly the same.

[A]

So you're allowed to take, like, general ideas.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, what's that thing? There's only like six kinds of the story.

[A]

Yeah. Like, everything's kind of plagiarized from Shakespeare, who probably plagiarized it from somebody else. But it sounds like this guy just took the entire storyline.

[C]

Yeah, it's a group goes hunting and they encounter another group in the woods who shoots one of their friends. So he. So then that guy kills the guy who shot their guy, and then he kind of goes back to living his life, but he thinks they're being hunted by that group. Is the general premise.

[A]

Okay. And it's been done. Yes.

[C]

In the 70s.

[A]

You have to think that if you pitch that show. If you pitch that show, it gets accepted.

[C]

Seems like it got really far.

[A]

You have to be so nervous the entire time that somebody is going to.

[C]

Ironically, that's the premise of the movie.

[A]

What do you mean?

[C]

Like, living in fear that something's gonna happen.

[A]

Right? Yeah. This person became the hunt.

[C]

I didn't even consider that until you said that.

[A]

This person became the hunt. Just going to sleep every night. Oh, my God. I hope they don't watch that old.

[C]

Hang on, hang on. Is this, like, a performance art thing? Like, what if it comes out that, like, this was the whole thing all.

[A]

Along and it's a documentary about it?

[C]

I don't know. Or maybe they just release it later. And now that it got this pub, he was like, I've lived the hunt.

[A]

Well, how does that movie end? The French movie?

[C]

I'm not sure.

[A]

So we got to watch the French movie to find out how the saga of making the new show is going to end, I guess. So this also might just be like when that one person was saying that Kanye was doing some legendary French performance art.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And this was all going to come out, and he's a genius. Hey, you never know.

[C]

He was just nuts.

[D]

It was a. It was a hell of a theory, though.

[A]

It was a great theory.

[D]

The wolves, I think they hear me out. I think that still may have been the case, but Kanye just lost the plot and went and took it too far. Because what I can't. I don't have an answer for is there was a dude in Kanye's circle that was, like, tweeting all of this stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

He was going to do. So he was, like, calling all the shots, and it was, like, all part of the plan. And then, bam, I'm a Nazi. I think he was just like, okay, well, you took it too far.

[A]

It's like Andy Kaufman getting. Getting lost in the bit to the point where you don't know what side's.

[D]

Up could be the case. But so I was looking at their. Do you know the Lion King was.

[C]

Kind of a ripoff of Hamlet?

[D]

No, no. Kimba the White Lion. Kimber the White lion was made. It was a Japanese anime in, like, 19, I think, 1965. And so there's a bunch of, like, different similarities from Kimba the White line and. And the Lion King, I mean, and Kimba the White lion is about Simba, you know, or the. If you marry the storylines, Simba is Kimba. So, like, they even reject the name.

[A]

That was a very lazy job, renaming the main character.

[D]

Yeah, it's pretty bad. There's a. Here I pulled up some of the similarities. Kimba, whose lion cub is lion cub whose father is king of the jungle. Simba. Lion cub, who is Mufasa, who's king of the Pride Lands. Both their fathers die inheriting the kingdom and their sons eventually grow into the role of the king. There's a villainous lion with a scar and a dark mane. There's a wise baboon mentor, Rafiki. The other one's name was Buzara. There's a bird advisor. Hyena. The hyenas were henchmen. There's a bunch of like scene parallels. A whole bunch of. So I was like, yeah, that was ripped off. But they never got they do credit, I don't think.

[A]

Is there Timon and Pumbaa?

[D]

I don't believe so. I don't believe so. Not to my knowledge. There could be though. I've never seen it.

[C]

I just.

[D]

I just. I heard about the story a while back and it. It was like, interesting.

[A]

That is interesting. I did. Statue limitations might be over on that.

[D]

I. I think it. It gained traction. Hold on. Let me see. If. Did they. You know, Disney got long bread. Yeah.

[A]

They'll be able to. If you sue Disney, they're like almost unsuable.

[D]

Pretty much. Man.

[A]

They'll just outspend you.

[D]

No, there was another. There was never a Kimba vs Lion King lawsuit. They never sued. Let me see. They had no interest in suing. They thought the Lion King was a totally different story. Also mentioned they were a small company and didn't want to go up against Disney's legal machine.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

There were protests and petitions in Japan. Hundreds of Japanese animators and cartoonists signed letters asking Denny to acknowledge Tezuka's influence. I guess he was the main dude that animated. Animated or made it. Some American lawyers apparently encouraged Tezuka's side to sue, but they. But they declined. So it was basically saying, ah, Disney too Big.

[A]

Pig T. I. I have one more question for you about the Lane Kiffin saga. Have you seen the. The various Internet accounts that are. Are replying with the same message I have. You got to be careful when it comes to this stuff because at first glance it feels like this is like it's a bunch of bots that were programmed by whatever CAA's like PR department wants them to say. And they were saying, before you guys send hate towards Lane Kiffin, remember you aren't just attacking a player, but a father, a husband, and a Christian. One bad move shouldn't take away what he's brought to college football. And we should be looking forward to seeing him continue to Lead our Tigers. And there's a bunch of different variations of that. That could either be, like a bunch of bots saying that, or it could just be a bunch of people that are pretending to be bots to make Lane Kiff.

[C]

Like, more the latter.

[A]

Like, just posting. Yeah, I think it's the latter too. But when. When it first came out, everybody was like, what's. What ca up to right now?

[C]

That is a reasonable theory, but it is. Yeah, I think it's probably people messing around.

[A]

I think it's just shit posting.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

What else we got to get into today? Everybody have a good Thanksgiving. You guys eat enough turkey.

[D]

We've officially axed turkey as a family.

[A]

Really? That's. We use.

[D]

We do brisket now.

[A]

That's sad.

[D]

Yeah. My mom was the only one that was sad. She was like, it's just like, it's not the same. And I'm like, it's better, dog. It's better.

[A]

Deep fried turkey is the way to go. I had an assembly line of fried turkeys at my house on. On Thanksgiving. Big Cat asked me a couple days before Thanksgiving if he could cook his turkey at my house so we could deep fry it. And I was like, sure. I told Donnie that Big Cat was doing that, and Donnie was like, hey, if you have an opening, can I come over and cook my turkey too? And so we just had the porch going with the burner, the deep fryer. Donnie fried his turkey. Big Cat Friday, his turkey. We sat, had a couple beers, watched football while the turkey broken, and then I fried my turkey. It was fun. It was a good time. I like frying turkeys. They always. They turn out so good. They're so juicy. They're crispy. Good Thanksgiving overall.

[D]

Love that. Love that. My mom not. Not Thanksgiving Day, but the day after.

[E]

My mom.

[D]

Paid for a karaoke dj, so the whole family. And then a couple of her neighbors were over, and we karaoke. Shit was kind of lit.

[A]

That's cool. What'd you go to?

[D]

I went to. Well, I. They were picking songs. We were picking songs for each other. So my baby moms was with us, and she chose shy. If I ever fall in love for me. Killed that, by the way, though. Killed that. And then I did Wonder Wall is my. My go to. Go to. And then we all did Neon Moon.

[C]

Love that.

[A]

Great song.

[D]

Good. Yeah, I killed that one too, though. I was. I was. I was kind of on. Yeah. I mean, I was always on my. It's good, man. It's great day. And the games were good, too.

[A]

Really good football.

[D]

Yeah, good games.

[A]

Very good football over Thanksgiving, if you like.

[D]

If you like good football, though, with a lot of juicy gossip going around in the football games.

[C]

But listen, dude, I see a lot of NFL games that are seven to six football, man. Yes. And see, that's the thing. Bad College games are 45, 41. Bad NFL games are 6 to 3. And it's just. I can't watch it.

[D]

I think you don't like football. You like scoring points. I think that.

[C]

No, I like the atmosphere. I like everything surrounding the games.

[D]

I feel that.

[C]

And I do, I do love the games.

[D]

But I watched, which was. It was disappointing. But you talk about the atmosphere, the Michigan, Ohio State game. That's.

[C]

Yeah. Like, it's all. There's nothing like that in the NFL.

[D]

Yeah, that. That may be the best rivalry in sports, period.

[C]

Hmm.

[A]

Red Sox, Yankees.

[D]

I think that got it.

[C]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Rivalries. There are 10 college football rivalries before you get to the next sport.

[A]

No, there's some like, European sports rivalries.

[C]

Yeah, I'm American.

[A]

American sports rivalries. Red Sox, Yankees have to be up there. They do, sure. That's got to be. That's got to be in the top 10.

[C]

The first. Tanner. College football.

[A]

No, I'd say, I'd say Red Sox, Yankees.

[D]

Top five. Top five. Give me, give me five. Give me five. Better.

[C]

Michigan, Ohio State, Army, Navy. I guess. Yeah, you'll do. Auburn, Alabama.

[D]

I'm taking Red Sox. Jake is over. Auburn, Alabama.

[C]

I actually, I'm. I'm woke on the Iron bowl as well. But.

[D]

But the only reason why is because Auburn has not made that interesting in years. Like even the games that they want.

[C]

I don't even know they've had. I mean, this one, they almost won two years ago. Alabama needed the crazy 4th down play to win. Every time they play in Auburn. It's crazy.

[D]

Yeah, I guess I'm less excited to watch that. Well, no, I mean, I, I guess I guess the, the stakes are just different because let's say the Red Sox, Yankees play in the regular season. It's not as intense as it would be in Auburn, Alabama. So you may have a point.

[A]

Texas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas, Texas A and M, Celtics, Lakers.

[C]

Not even.

[D]

Nah. If you said that in, in the late 80s, I would say you had a point.

[C]

And that's what, like professional sports rivalries, the, the regular season games don't mean anything. Yeah, like the Celtics and lakers play on January 13th. Like what, what does it mean? Who cares? The Red Sox And Yankees play 15 times a year.

[A]

Yeah, but there's. I feel like there's enough history and bad blood there.

[C]

I agree. Red Sox, Yankees is a tremendous rivalry.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But it's just different.

[A]

Raven Steelers, see, like, those are.

[D]

Those are good. Those start to enter the conversation. AFC North.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. And I would say if they kept the, the name, I would say Dallas and Washington, but it just don't hit the same. The Commanders versus The Cowboys don't hit the same.

[A]

Now you ask anybody from Dallas and like, yeah, they're. I'd say they're our biggest rival. But Dallas is thinking about Philly.

[D]

That could be accurate. Yeah, but I, I always thought about like on Thanksgiving when Cowboys and Washington play. That shit was always like, yeah, it's different.

[A]

That was a pretty good game last night, though. Surprisingly, the. The Broncos and the Commanders.

[D]

Oh, I didn't even see it. Yeah.

[A]

Commanders had a little fight to him lost in overtime because we, we chose to go for two, which I'm, I'm happy with. I'm glad that Dan Quinn went for two. Who gives a fuck if we lose, try to win the game. Mariota played pretty good for an old guy. He makes some weird decisions sometimes, but.

[D]

Damn, Mariota is considered.

[A]

He is. He looks old out there too. Like, he still. He tries to out athlete everybody and he's lost a couple steps, lost a little bit of that contact balance. And so he, he made a couple mistakes. But yeah, the Commanders there, I'm happy to see that they're. They're not an easy win anymore.

[D]

Oh, usc, Notre Dame.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good one. A lot of history.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Did we discuss on this show how that rivalry came to be or was that somewhere else?

[A]

I don't think so.

[C]

It was like the 80s wives were friends or something and the, The Notre Dame wife liked to go to LA to shop and go to the beach and stuff. So Notre Dame just started scheduling USC so the athletic director could go out there and take his wife.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[C]

And that's how they started playing.

[A]

I love that. Good for them. I would say that in NFL rivalries, there was a. There was a time in the early 2000 teens that Seattle, San Francisco became. It had that same like, Raven Steelers type feel to it. When you had. That was a good one. You had Harbaugh with the Niners and you had Pete Carroll with the Seahawks and you had some crazy atmospheres up in. Up in Seattle for some of those games that felt like it was like bad intentions.

[D]

That's the, that's the one Thing as a sports ball player, I never really took part in like any real big like rivalry like that.

[A]

Yeah, I mean with the Texans, who would it be? The Jaguars, the Colts?

[D]

We didn't handle, there was, there was no rivalry to Texas. Nah.

[A]

I guess Tennessee.

[D]

We never. You don't feel that, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I, I, I, I guess technically Tennessee, Alabama is a rivalry. But it was never, it was never felt like that. It was like, yeah, this is a rivalry game. That was said. But it was never like I didn't grow up watching Tennessee.

[C]

Alabama. I think that's cause you're from California.

[D]

I don't know man. I used to talk to Alabama players though, and they'd be like, I mean yeah, there was a cigar after the game. But nobody really felt, nobody really felt like that.

[C]

I mean Damien Harris said the other day Tennessee was their biggest rival, not Auburn.

[D]

Was it Saban?

[C]

Damien Harris Saban said it too. But the thing about the iron ball is they didn't play the Iron bowl for like 60 years and the only reason they play it now is because the state government mandated it. If they didn't, they still wouldn't play.

[D]

Why would I know? Why would they not?

[C]

It was some, there was some sort of dispute and they didn't play for like half of the 20th century. And then I believe the Alabama government made it a law that those two schools must play in football. So Tennessee and Alabama have way more history than Alabama and Auburn do. It's just that it's an in state thing and the fans are way more like hate each other.

[D]

But yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess it was a.

[C]

Also Alabama just kicked Tennessee's ass for a long time, which kind of took some off of it. But in the last five years it's been, not while I was there, competitive and that's true.

[D]

Well, I think I went well actually. I was one in three with them but we should definitely won the other one my junior year.

[A]

I love the fact that the, the Alabama state government intervened. Yeah, I don't have to play this football game.

[C]

We can ask Chat GPT the whole story. But it was, yeah, they didn't play for 50, 60 years.

[A]

What do you think about Michigan defending.

[D]

The M. Oh, I got one more. Duke, North Carolina, college basketball.

[A]

Yep, yep, good point.

[D]

That's up there.

[A]

Good point. They do hate each other. And the fact that they're so close is kind of crazy. Was it like 20 miles? I'm a Duke fan this week though.

[D]

Where's North Carolina. Where North Carolina at this year? Because that, that was my squad growing up.

[C]

They're solid.

[A]

They're okay.

[C]

They have like a top five ten pick who's a freshman. Caleb Wilson. He's very good.

[D]

Okay, okay.

[C]

Auburn and Alabama did not play each other from 1907 until 1948. The break wasn't because of violence or lack of interest. It was mostly about money control and logistics.

[D]

I mean, but they've been playing each other since the 48. I mean, that's, that's a reverend.

[C]

No, I agree 100%, but it's, it's been talked up a lot in the last 10, 15 years and they've had great games.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It was one I was going to talk about when it came to that rivalry. Obviously you've got the. Oh yeah. Michigan defending the M. Do you guys, you guys.

[C]

Well, Ohio State was like, we, we have no interest in. They like went with their fans on.

[A]

The Michigan circled the M. Yeah.

[C]

Which I think made Michigan look even dumber.

[A]

We must protect this M. Yeah.

[D]

Nah, that's a weak ass move in my opinion.

[A]

Mission accomplished.

[D]

It's like, like if I'm the coach, I'm like, yo, get y' all ass. We lost. They get to dance on whatever they want to dance on. They did. They lost.

[A]

Win.

[D]

You don't gotta worry about that.

[A]

It was funny that Michigan thought the entire time like this is what they came here for was to attack the. We might, we might lose the football game, but we're going to win the war.

[C]

I love that Ohio State just didn't even care.

[A]

Yeah. Not at all.

[D]

I did watch that game and that first touchdown. I think his name is Jeremiah Smith, the receiver that was a thousand percent a touchback. A thousand percent.

[A]

I, I absolutely, I agree with you and I, I'm a person that likes the touchback rule. I really do. Yeah, I think that if you can't maintain possession going over the goal line, that should be punished via a turnover. Every other rule in the NFL and football is geared towards helping the offense with something and you want to encourage defensive players to play to like the very last inch of the football field. That being said, I thought that that particular touchdown wasn't really in the same spirit of why the rules written like the ball came out of his hand a little bit and then he maintained possession and kept running with. Didn't feel like that should be punished with a turnover at a touchback.

[D]

Well, see, you're right because he ran an amazing fucking route. He's going to Be one of the best receivers in the league for the next 10, 15 years. But ran an amazing route. Beat his dude. Caught the ball very clearly but lost control. It's very similar to Cats who score long touchdowns and let go of the ball early. Same vibe. It don't feel like it should be punished. But you didn't cross the plane with the ball in your possession. That is the rule. It was a touchback. Because I think about it like this. If I'm reaching for it, it's goal line, right? Fourth and one, we on a goal line. I'm running for the pilot and I reach for it and I lose control and it goes out of back. That's the time. Touchback, easy. It's the same. Same rule has to apply. I like. I mean, Big T has one of the best rule changes I've ever heard. If you fumble the ball out of bounds at any point in the game, at any place in the field, defense, ball.

[C]

100% turnover.

[A]

Yeah, like, I love that road.

[D]

That would. Because we've geared all of the physical rules to favor the offense. All of them. So they've done nothing to help the defense. Zero. That would absolutely help the defense and help balance it out a little bit more. So at least if you fuck up, you get penalized in there. I love that rule.

[C]

I like you too, Arian. Hard pivot. Actually, this has to do with college football. Are you familiar with a rapper named Toosie?

[D]

Toosie. Toosie. Toosie.

[C]

T O O S I I I've never heard of this guy. He has 1.4 million followers on Twitter, though. No, he. He is committed to play football at Syracuse. Is this kid, like, 17?

[D]

It says he's 25 years old.

[C]

What?

[D]

There might be a new another Tuesday. T O O S I I correct. It says age.

[C]

Yeah, this is 25. He tweeted for every kid who ever had a dream, make it reality. God's will is the way and no one can stop it. I want to thank my Lord and savior Jesus Christ for giving me the strength to chase what I believe. And so many people told me I couldn't. Thank you to the people who supported me as well. It never goes unnoticed to be born in Syracuse and moved to North Carolina at 12 and haven't been back since. When Coach Fran called, I knew it was a sign from God. With that said, cues, I'm coming home. And he has pictures. Like. Like at a recruit photo shoot.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

What?

[A]

I like his name.

[C]

And then rivals tweeted, breaking famous rapper to see Najeur Granger has committed to Syracuse. It's best known for hit songs like favorite song. I'm confused. Oh yeah. No. 25 year old rapper Nure 2C Granger commits to play football at Syracuse.

[D]

What does this mean? I'm so confused.

[C]

Is this real?

[A]

We're going to see more of that like team?

[D]

Yeah, this feels like some kind of.

[A]

Like that end up signing deals or committing to be scholarship athletes at places.

[C]

I mean honestly, if this is real, which I mean he has pictures like a real recruit would have kind of brilliant by Syracuse. Like hey, two C's on our team. Yeah, come, come here.

[A]

Yeah, no, that helps. That helps the visibility of the program. Helps you in terms of. Yeah, you just get more people paying attention to you.

[C]

Granger played high school football at Rollsville High in Raleigh. His 2015 highlights can be found here.

[D]

So he's on full athletic scholarship to play.

[C]

I guess so.

[D]

Is this. Yeah.

[C]

Let me see how many listens this guy has on Spotify. 3.9 million monthly listeners.

[A]

So yeah.

[C]

So this guy's famous.

[A]

Yeah, he's legit.

[D]

I feel like, I don't know.

[A]

Like all these kids are going to want to light up Toosie. They're going to want to smoke. They're going to want to just let him know that they're there.

[C]

He's not going to play. Right.

[D]

This is not. This can't be real. I refuse to be scammed by this headline.

[C]

It looks like it's. I mean rivals put it out. I think it's real. Here's a picture of Fran Brown with him. I think it's real Chat.

[A]

I think it's real too.

[D]

I don't know, man. I don't know what to say. I'll be, oh, well, yeah.

[C]

Like there's no way you're a 25 year old rapper and you're like, I'm going to go enroll at Syracuse.

[A]

I guess because you have to.

[C]

You have to at least pretend to go to class.

[A]

I know everything's online now at Syracuse. Probably. Yeah, you'd have to. I don't feel like they'll just let you skate. So he's what, 25 now?

[C]

25 years old.

[A]

What if he's nasty? What if he's really good?

[C]

That'd be sick.

[A]

I have a feeling that Toothy will probably be looking to transfer at some point.

[D]

Oh, hell no. I just saw a route.

[C]

I'm watching this 2015 tape.

[D]

Nah, okay.

[A]

He can't play.

[D]

He looks like a very average athlete. Like if he ain't a rapper, he's not getting no D1 scholarship.

[A]

No Syracuse.

[D]

Nah, bro.

[C]

And they are terrible.

[D]

Maybe he's just trying to get.

[A]

He's trying to get a degree.

[D]

He got, he got, he got hands, but not.

[A]

I think he's realizing that a degree is, is the most valuable thing you can have.

[C]

This is actually. This rocks. I. I hope more rappers do this.

[A]

I gotta listen to some of his songs. You know, it was a good, good basketball player was Master P. I thought.

[C]

You'Re gonna say two chains.

[A]

Two chains, too. Yeah.

[C]

I think he played at like Alabama State or Alabama A M. Yeah, I think.

[A]

I think Master P was on the, on the Raptors, like G League squad for a little bit.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Two chains played at Alabama State from 95 to 97. 2.8 points a game.

[A]

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[D]

Hey, guys.

[E]

James from New Jersey here. Shout out to the macro dosing crew. You guys are doing phenomenal job lately. Well, as always, I should say. Quick question for the group. You guys had to pick each other's walkout music. What would it be? Someone's talking smack on Tennessee.

[D]

Glass breaks.

[C]

That's gotta be Big T.

[A]

What do we got?

[D]

What do we got?

[A]

What do we got?

[E]

What do we got?

[A]

So walk out music.

[C]

So we're picking for the other people?

[A]

Yeah, I think you have to pick for each other. Yeah.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[C]

I mean, obviously for Aryan, I am picking favorite song by Tucy.

[A]

That's a good one. Bulls on Parade. Just to bring Aaron back.

[D]

That's mass.

[A]

Arian could have his own music as his walkout. Yeah, that's true.

[D]

Talk that back.

[A]

Knock knock. Yeah.

[D]

Oh, my little baby's bringing me out.

[A]

What's the one? The Watermelon Sunrise.

[D]

Yeah, that's a good one. I feel that's got over a meal on Spotify.

[C]

Yeah. Nice.

[A]

Neon Moon for Big T. I'm just thinking about Neon Moon now.

[C]

I. One of my favorite songs. It doesn't get you jacked, though.

[A]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[D]

I got for pft. I'm doing welcome. I'm sorry. Enter the Sandman.

[A]

Enter the Sandman.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, I would do Free Birds. I thought you're going to do welcome to Atlanta when you first started. That would be an interesting choice.

[D]

Big T. I'm going to do a rocky top for Big T. Love that.

[A]

No, I mean, I might do welcome to Atlanta for Big T too.

[C]

Shout out.

[D]

And for y', all, just any Taylor Swift. So I'll do like a little roller spin the wheel. Taylor Swift song.

[A]

Yeah. Take your pick.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Is there one in particular you guys would want? Take your pick. I mean. Yeah, I don't want to narrow it down. Do you have one? I don't like a funny one. Like, just like Love Story. Like, makes no sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Actually a thing.

[A]

Get the crowd.

[D]

I was just joking. Spin the wheel every Taylor Swift song as of May 2024, and it'll pick one for me. Spin that shit.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Spin that shit. And it landed on Today was a fairy tale.

[A]

Oh, that's cute.

[D]

That's cute. All right. And for Mac, let go with I can't believe they have this King of my heart. Oh, that's a good one. All right.

[C]

How many songs does she have total?

[A]

About like 200. Like 20ish. Here.

[D]

I can't believe they have a random Taylor Swift song generated. I can.

[A]

270Ish.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. I think maybe one of the best intro songs in any sport is Firestarter by Prodigy. You know that song?

[C]

I do, but Aryan doesn't.

[D]

Well.

[A]

Fire Starter, it's like an electronic.

[D]

Song that me up because I was like. I thought you said Prodigy. I'm like Prodigy. Like, ain't no such things as halfway crook. So I'm thinking that Prodigy, it's. This is by the Prodigy.

[A]

The Prodigy, yeah. They also did Smack My Up. That was a. That was a more controversial song by Prodigy.

[C]

I can't imagine why.

[A]

But Firestarter, I feel like there have been a lot of good closers. Yeah, I mean, you can't really go wrong with. With inner Salmon. I'll take that one.

[D]

Enter Salmon. Let's see. Big T. He was in the country. They only make pump up music like that.

[C]

There's one. It's called. It's a song called Loud and Heavy. Let me just.

[A]

I feel like Garth Brooks has a couple bangers that. That you could use for that too.

[C]

Like.

[A]

Like Rodeo.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Rodeo would be a good one. The Thunder Rolls and the Thunder.

[D]

Oh, I sung that too. Karaoke night.

[A]

Thunder Rolls is a great song. Garth Brooks, he just kind of like, lives above the music industry. Yeah, he, like, doesn't have to do shit. His songs aren't on Spotify. He's like, I'll put out an album every five years, available only in Walmart. People buy it.

[C]

He is on Spotify now.

[A]

He is?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Since when?

[C]

What, maybe a year ago.

[A]

No way. Because I thought I looked up Garth Brooks songs, like a month ago. Are you sure?

[D]

Chat that was on Spotify, dog.

[C]

No, I think this is fake or no. Yeah, he is.

[A]

I looked for Garth Brooks, not too long ago on Spotify.

[D]

I don't know this. This is the Garth Brooks that I know. Thunder Rolls. Garth Brook tribute.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, It's. It's looking like it's not.

[D]

It's not him.

[C]

Yeah, I don't think it's the real one.

[A]

I think he's got a couple. A couple features on Spotify like that. Done duets with people.

[C]

I think that's what it is.

[D]

No, but what's the reason? Why is he not on Spotify?

[A]

Because he doesn't have to be. He's just that. That massive. Do the kids today, do they still appreciate Garth Brooks.

[C]

Kids? It's hard to say because I'm 28, but I think people my age do.

[A]

Yeah. When I was growing up, Garth Brooks was country music.

[D]

He was.

[A]

He was like, by far and away the biggest star.

[C]

I mean, he's still selling out football.

[A]

Stadiums and he'll continue to do so, but I don't think he has to, like, play by the same rules that everybody else plays by the recording industry. It's pretty crazy.

[C]

I do think, though, if you're. If you're not on Spotify, like, and you're 18 years old, that's the only way you consume music.

[A]

That's how you find out about new music.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Like, so it will be interesting in 20 years or so. Like, but yeah, I think most people my age still mess with Garth.

[A]

Respect to Garth. He's got a lot of bangers.

[D]

All right.

[A]

Another voicemail.

[B]

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[E]

Hey, this is Chuck from Charlestown. My question is a little loaded, but jumping into it, a hypothetical scenario. So Big T is running for president against Arian and Big T and Arian. You have to outline three domestic policy initiatives you will be running on and why. For example, Trump was immigration, border security, trade economy and nationalism. And then trade cuts. Lastly, would Love Mad Dog, TFT and McKenzie to ask a few questions to poke holes in those policies. Longtime listener, macrodosing and part of my take. It's funny enough, I probably listened to Eric the most of anyone in my life the past several years. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but love you all. Stay handsome, stay beautiful.

[D]

Thanks.

[A]

Shout out to that guy. Thank you for listening. So basically they're like big T, just, just go to war against me and Arian.

[C]

Can we do that on Wednesday? Can we take two days to outline what we want to do? And because I think that's a great question, I just want to take time.

[D]

With that presidential music behind our campaign speeches with it.

[C]

So let's, let's do that for Thursday's show.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I'm okay with that.

[C]

And we'll each come with three and we can do a miniature.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Debate.

[A]

So that sounds good.

[D]

Let's do it.

[A]

Let's have at it.

[D]

That was a great call.

[A]

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[E]

What's up, Macro dosing? This is Joe from New Jersey. I have a question for everybody but Big T specifically. So I grew up in a pretty small town in New Jersey with crazy football fan base and we were pretty good at football. I played football all four years. But recently I moved with my wife and small children to our rival high school town. My kids aren't high school age yet, but they are starting to play sports. Oh, and also for context, I am friends with the football coach of our old high school, which is now where I live's rival and I played our rival in a state championship and lost. So I have some feelings myself for them. But I wanted to know, do I have to immediately become a fan of my rival high school where I live now or can I get away rooting with for my original high school until my kids are in high school age? I'd love to have some answers. Thanks.

[A]

That's a, that's a tough predicament.

[D]

So paraphrase it for me was a little choppy on my.

[C]

He said he and his wife and small children, I think young, have recently moved to the the Rival town of his high school. And they're gonna go to that high school. And he's saying, does he have to like that high school now or only when his kids are there? Why would you. What reason would there be for it now? I don't.

[A]

Yeah. So I actually lived this. This is a. Interesting question. This was my life growing up. My mom was a. Was a teacher at a high school and then she lived. We lived in a neighborhood where I would grow up going to the rival school, even though she worked at the other one growing up. It was South Lakes High School. That's where my mom taught South Lakes when I was, when I was just a tiny little kid. They had this really good basketball player there and his name was Grant Hill, and he played when my mom was a teacher there. My parents used to take me to all the South Lakes High School games. Growing up, I was like a die hard South Lakes basketball fan because I grew up watching Grant Hill. Then later on, Joey Beard, who was like the next Grant Hill, he didn't work out when he went to Duke, but it was like, okay. I thought that I was a South Lakes family growing up. And then as those guys leave South Lakes, I start going to less of their games. Now I'm realizing I'm in Herndon. I. I'm supposed to hate South Lakes. And then I just said, okay, it. I'm gonna hate South Lakes. I'm a Herndon High School guy. My mom did not care about Herndon unless it was a game that me or my brother were playing in. So she remained like a South Lakes High School person even though we lived in a different. A district that sent us to the rival, if that makes sense. I think that's what this guy has to do. Like, you, you can't. You can't walk away from the school you went to. But when your kids are playing in games that you just have to be a fan of theirs.

[D]

I think it depends on your experience at school.

[A]

So, like, also true.

[D]

If you had a good experience and, and like you was, you had great, you know, faculty staff. Like, I'm always gonna ride for my high school. Like, I love my people that changed my life. You know, shout out to Mr. Gusto, Dennis Pugh. Those people changed my life at Mission Bay. It helped me propel me to, you know, give me the stepping stone to everything I wanted to do in my life. That shit. Fuck them kids. I'll root for you in any game that you got, but when you play the bae, I'm going with my squad I'll be decked out in my high school gear while my kids play against their rivals. I'll be rooting for my kids, though, for sure. But that'd be a fun little family rivalry, though. That's the kind of shit that makes family stuff fun.

[A]

What do you think, Big T?

[C]

Yeah. I don't see the reason you would need to do anything until your kids are there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then at that point, you. You. You get the. You join the quarterback club and you get the little. The. The parent hat.

[A]

You get the ribbon.

[C]

Yeah. Just make sure everything you. You wear says, like, parent on it or as your kid's number or whatever.

[A]

Yeah. Has to be about your kid.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think you can be walking around just supporting the school in general.

[C]

Right.

[A]

On a random, like, Tuesday afternoon.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But.

[A]

Yeah, I think that. I think that's totally fair.

[C]

But, yeah, if you're. If your kids are in third grade, like, unless you're just dying to go to high school football games, which I do understand. It's something I love to do.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

What's the update on Downers Grove?

[C]

We lost in the semifinals to Brother Rice. It wasn't particularly close.

[A]

Damn it.

[C]

But that's a great season for the boys. Shame. Shame we didn't make it all the way. But next year, I think we. I think we graduate a lot. Talent, though.

[A]

But that's Downers Grove. They just reload.

[C]

Yeah. We don't rebuild. We are. Yeah, we don't rebuild. We reload.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's it. There's no rebuilding.

[C]

So next season. Looking forward to it. I'm going to. Now, I kind of. The problem is Tennessee has a basketball commit who goes to a high school, like, down the street from here. And I'm looking to go to those games. So I feel like my basketball high school might be. This school might be different.

[A]

I don't know that you can do that homie hopping.

[C]

Yeah, but I'm not. No, no, listen. I'm not a fan of the school. I just want to watch Marquis Clark.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't care about the team.

[D]

Go watch him. You can't switch.

[C]

That's what I know. That's what I'm saying, though. I don't. I'm not like. I won't care about this school after, what. Once he's gone? I just want him to do well.

[A]

You can. Yeah.

[C]

You can go.

[A]

Appreciate the player. Watch the player.

[C]

Yeah. That's all I care about.

[A]

Okay. But I don't. You can't be. You can't Be a fan of two different high schools in different sports.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

If you have. You're a man that has absolutely zero ties to either.

[C]

Well, I, I've made some inroads with the parental community at Downers Grove.

[A]

Okay. All right. That's fair. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And then come baseball season, Jim Tomy's son is committed to Tennessee and he goes to a school around here.

[A]

So you're. You're going to have like three different schools. You root for high school. Again, those you root for in different sports.

[C]

Those are just temporary. As long as. As long as those kids.

[A]

Transactional.

[C]

I just want to watch the future stars of UT play. It's. It's like the appeal of minor league baseball tomorrow. Stars today.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You're such a die hard, I'm scouting.

[A]

Tennessee fan that you're going to go to the games and support the future volunteers.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

Okay. But you can't, you can't find yourself rooting for those.

[C]

No, no, no, no. Never. I would never buy merch of those schools. I've got five DGN hoodies.

[A]

Are you telling me that you would not buy Jim Tomi's son's high school jersey?

[C]

I mean, if he becomes really good at ut, that'd be kind of sick.

[A]

It'd be pretty.

[C]

But they're not selling jerseys.

[A]

Make your own.

[C]

We'll see. But that. Think of what a sick jersey. I think you wait till that kid's in the majors and then a tome. A Tennessee jersey would go crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Would I have a Todd Helton Tennessee jersey? People, every time I wear it, people love it.

[D]

Because of the Internet. Is that still a thing where like growing up you would hear. And probably not as prevalent, but you would hear about somebody who was bombing in the city. Right. And then you go watch their games and the gyms would be packed. Like, is that still a thing because.

[C]

Yes, but it's not the same because.

[D]

My kids have never really done that. Like they don't go to like other, like other schools and to go watch other people play. And I'm like, they don't really care like that because they just be scrolling on their phones and it's like you don't really get the same feel when so and so is playing. So and so and they meet up and the gym is packed and you can't get in and standing room only like that. I grew up. That was the shit.

[C]

It's not the same. I remember all my family, a lot of them went to Georgia Tech. They're all Georgia Tech fans. And I Remember when Derek Favors was in high school and he was like five star, top five player in the country and he had committed to Georgia Tech and he was from Atlanta. And they're like, we got to go watch this kid. Like he's going to be like a star at Georgia Tech. And we went and watched one of his high school games and it was, that was like a. Still a thing. That was maybe 2008 or 9, but now with the Internet, like you know about high school kids in, in California, like, it's just, it's a, it's a different thing thing.

[D]

I remember I missed the early Internet where you heard about cats, like on Rivals.com or something like that, right? Where it's like, hey, there's a four star recruit out in Sacramento and he hard like, you know what I'm saying? And then you. And you see where the visits he went. But it's like you not. There's no rankings like that. Well, I guess there was rankings, but it just wasn't as big as far as like the social media around it. And then now Cats is like, these recruiter visitors be killing me, dog. These dudes be taking full photo shoots and shit. It should be killing me. I was with one of my boys at Georgia Tech. Maybe I told the story on this podcast, but I was one of my boys at Georgia Tech who coaches for him. And we walking around, he's like, he said, pull up, pull up on him. And he's like, I'm hosting a couple recruits. So I'm just kind of like walking around and shit. And he's like, he's like, well, we'll meet them up. We'll meet them later. They're going upstairs on top of the. One of the roofs. I'm like, what are they going on the roof for? He's like, they're taking a photo shoot. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, that's what they do now, bro. They do photo shoots. And all of them doing all this. It's a different time, man. It's a very different time than when I was, I was coming up.

[C]

They actually made it an NCAA rule that you can only do photo shoots on official visits now because all the schools got so sick of doing them like every single weekend.

[D]

Band. Yeah, they should just cut that out. No foot. Like for what a kid's.

[A]

Because.

[D]

Because the university has to pay a photograph. I guess it's good for the photographer or whatever. But it's, it's a lot, though. It's a lot equipment, man. Got to give you all the size. I bet he's sick of that, too.

[C]

That's why they made it to where you can only do it on officials.

[A]

That's true.

[D]

Shout out to my dog, Chicken Hawk at the University of Tennessee.

[A]

The school's invested a lot of money in those cameras that spin around you.

[D]

It's a lot. Oh, it's a show. I. I don't like that. Performative. It's never, never been my vibe.

[A]

We're always going to have those Brian Kelly pictures though, in those videos from him, like holding the L's up, doing the dances. You think Brian Kelly's going to get his name hasn't been out there.

[C]

He got too much money and he's old. I think he'll.

[A]

He's done right off in the sunset.

[C]

That's what I would do. He's in his 60s, I think.

[A]

Yeah, but he's also a psycho.

[C]

A ton of money, a guy like that, he's not.

[A]

That guy's not built for retirement.

[C]

Yeah, but he's also an asshole, which doesn't help you get hired. You're probably still be the coach at LSU if he wasn't an asshole.

[A]

Correct. His wife is going to be like, hey, you got to get out of the house.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Get a job. Come on, man.

[C]

Jmu.

[A]

Jmu. Listen, if Brian Kelly becomes the.

[C]

Would you rather have Brian Kelly or the current head coach at South Dakota State? Don't even know what his name is.

[A]

I'm just, I'm just saying South Dakota State, they're. They're a respectable program.

[C]

I think they're really good.

[A]

Yeah. No, yeah, Him, South Dakota State, Brian Kelly's. He's not going to take a job like that seriously.

[C]

That's actually too good of an FCS program that I picked. Because you wouldn't leave South Dako State for jmu. I don't think maybe you would.

[A]

I think you would. Division one. Jay, listen, JMU, there's a good chance that they become an ACC school in the next 10 years.

[C]

That'd be great.

[A]

Five to 10. I'll say. Sunbelt needs to keep up.

[C]

Former JMU guy Jalen Carey is serving a very needed role on Tennessee's basketball roster right now.

[A]

Love that.

[C]

He's our enforcer.

[A]

We're serving needed roles.

[C]

Yeah. He's not like the best basketball player I've ever seen, but he's an intimidator and I, I like it.

[A]

Well, our guy, our best player from last year is like Villanova's best shooter now.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Jamie's a great incubator.

[A]

It is. Yeah, I'll agree with that. I would like to not to step up from being an incubator into being just a cradle.

[C]

It's like you know, the, the like co working spaces where in Austin or Atlanta or wherever they build these little tech startup hubs where they'll give you like some office space.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then like big companies come out of there. That's what JMU is.

[A]

Yeah. What is that? Y Combinator. That was the one in Silicon Valley for a long time.

[C]

Oh really? Yeah, I've heard the name of that. I just don't know what that is.

[A]

Yeah, that's. Listen, I'd like at some point for JMU to just kind of be their own thing and be a destination. Not a, not a stop.

[C]

We get to the ACC and that's.

[A]

When that happens on the journey and but yeah, this is kind of. You got to get a deal with where you are in life right now and that's where we're at right now. But I mean I'm kind of excited to get into the coaching search. I wish that there'd be some more big names out there, but now it's just about like finding people that other people tell me are smart coaches.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Like you got to find the next guy. That's why I'm less interested. Even if it is like okay, Coach O. John Gruden. Big names like that, while they'd be fun to have in Harrisonburg, it's really about finding who the next like 30 year old, 30 to 40 year old young head coach that wants to get hired by a Power 5 school or Power 4 school and, and, and have them stop at JMU for a few years. I did think that Signetti would be he might retire, but I thought he was going to be a Duke dog lifer, but that didn't happen. All right, anything else we want to get into today?

[C]

I don't think so.

[A]

Big week this week. Nothing really gets done around offices in America between Thanksgiving and Christmas and New Year's.

[C]

Once Thanksgiving hits, it's the year's over as far as I'm concerned.

[A]

Yeah, just, just leave that out of.

[C]

Office reply on because now we got three weeks until Christmas. So I mean what. You know, and then after Christmas we're off completely. But most people just kind of go phone it in.

[A]

Yep. All right, well we will see you guys on on Thursday.

[C]

Happy 2026.

[A]

Happy 2026.

[D]

Love you guys.