Macrodosing’s Presidential Policies | Dec 4, 2025

Summary

Macrodosing Podcast: Presidential Policies Episode

Hosts: PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Big T, Mad Dog, and McKenzie
Date: December 4, 2025
Theme: Each host builds a “presidential” platform, debating which policies they’d enact if they ran the country. Wide-ranging discussion also covers college football, philosophy of punishment, A.I., healthcare, and more, all in signature irreverent Macrodosing style.

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Brief Overview

This episode’s main theme is a “policy draft”: each host—channeling their inner president—pitches and debates the top three policies they’d institute if put in charge of the U.S. While the focus is the policy roundtable, the crew weaves through their usual digressions—sports, TikTok drama, religion, technology, and deeply philosophical (and sometimes hilarious) disputes about fairness, crime, and morality.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. College Football Deep Dive

• Championship Weekend Preview: The group discusses the fallout from recent college football shakeups, with a focus on BYU, Penn State’s coaching search, NIL money, and the College Football Playoff bracket.
• BYU’s coach stays after intervention from prominent donors and even the Mormon Church. The scope of BYU’s wealth and limited pool of Mormon coaches is discussed.
• College Football Playoff Bracket: Heated arguments over Miami vs Notre Dame for a playoff spot, the logic (or lack thereof) in playoff selection, and the possible inclusion of Group of Five teams like JMU and UNT.
• Big T on Expansion: “Go back to 2011…the BCS was fine…I know people don’t want to hear that.” (16:01)
• Commercialization of College Sports: Concern about ads on uniforms, rising NIL money, and the role of private capital.

2. Jesus, A.I., and Joe Rogan (20:21)

• Joe Rogan's Take: Rogan’s claim that AI Jesus could return to Earth as artificial intelligence prompts the hosts to riff on religion, tech, and the absurdity (and allure) of new cultish faiths.
• PFT Commenter: “He’s trying to combine his two latest passions…He might be starting a new religion, that's what he’s doing.” (23:52)
• Philosophical Banter:
  • Imagining everyone having their own personalized AI Jesus.
  • “Everybody already does have their own unique Jesus.” —Arian Foster (26:25)
  • Debates over AI bots providing love, spiritual coaching, and future uploads of consciousness to the cloud.
  • “If you watch me boo-boo, that's on you. Not gonna change my life one bit.” —Arian on privacy, AI, and pets (29:06)

3. Parenting, Dogs, and Social Resilience (31:30)

• Arian’s Update on Dog Ownership: Discusses online reaction, dog community positivity vs. internet trolls, and “asshat” as an old-school insult.
• Parenting Philosophy:
  • Arian stresses the need for kids to experience adversity: “I believe in struggle. I believe that shit builds character …you gotta fall flat on your face…” (39:19)
• Coaching Youth Football: Arian recaps his team losing in the championship, striving to impart life lessons and resilience.

4. Disabilities Data and Accommodation in Colleges (33:40)

• Big T reports a major rise in students at elite colleges identifying as disabled (“at Stanford, it’s nearly 40%” 34:06)—most citing mental health, not physical disability.
• Debate: Is this skewing fairness? Are accommodations in college applicable in work life?
• “When you get into the workplace, these accommodations aren't going to be there.” –PFT (36:51)

5. Social Media, WAGs, and Quarterback Drama (64:01)

• Browns QB Room: Mad Dog vents about Deshaun Watson’s return from injury and the extra drama from Dylan Gabriel’s fiancée’s TikTok comments.
• Arian’s Wisdom: “Don’t take criticism from people you wouldn’t take advice from.” (44:41)
• Discussion: What’s the right approach for sports wives and girlfriends on social media?
• “Just bake on the internet. Just bake a sourdough loaf.” –Mad Dog, on the ideal TikTok content for player spouses (71:47)

6. Shador Sanders, Deion, and Media Narratives (73:02)

• Polarizing Athletes: Why is Shador Sanders so prominent in the cultural zeitgeist? Comparing him and his father to the Ball family.
• “The most controversial thing about Shador is the controversy about people talking about Shador.” –PFT (75:46)
• Arrogance in Sports:
  • “Your favorite athlete absolutely thinks he is the best thing that has ever touched that field or court. I promise you.” —Arian (77:06)

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Policy Draft: “If We Were President”

Starting at 85:26—policy debate draft, each host builds and justifies their platform.

Big T’s Presidential Policies

1. Flat Income Tax (~20%) (86:27)

   • No deductions or loopholes except a large standard deduction ($30K for an individual).
   • “About 20%…you’re not even paying taxes on your first half or two-thirds of your income.” (89:06)
   • Debate: Is this fair for people at lower income? Does it help/hurt the working class? Criticized by Arian (90:08): "I think it's a horrible idea."

2. Healthcare System Overhaul (109:43)

   • Improves transparency: Hospitals must post all prices, insurance companies must reveal negotiated prices.
   • Allows insurance sales across state lines.
   • Expand Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), especially for those under a certain threshold.
   • Argues for market competition and less government intervention.

3. Judicial Reform: Crackdown on Repeat Offenders (142:39)

   • End “no cash bail” for violent crimes.
   • If convicted of 10 separate crimes or three violent felonies, life imprisonment.
   • “If you’ve done something nine times and you know one more time you’re going to prison … you probably don’t have the self-control to be in society.” (143:18)
   • INTENSE debate ensues with Arian over punishment vs. rehabilitation.
   • “Focus on the violent crimes, that’s what these people are doing.” (153:13)

Arian Foster’s Presidential Policies

1. Medicare for All / Universal Healthcare (98:58)

   • Funded partly by a 10-15% cut to military spending (pushes for a Pentagon audit).
   • “In the richest country in the world, we have a fiscal and moral obligation…” (99:10)
   • “Every time I hear people arguing against this, it’s like, well who’s going to pay for it? …Fucking you. Fucking me, bro.” (126:13)
   • Extended debate over if it’s feasible, “free,” and moral.

2. Anti-war / Cut Military Spending & Disengagement (99:49 & 103:33)

   • Drastically reduce military commitments, close foreign bases, stop foreign conflicts.
   • “I’m anti-war … pull out of all foreign conflicts, especially ones that we’re aiding.” (103:33)

3. Anti-Corruption / Term Limits (137:58)

   • Term limits for all federal officials, mandatory audits, end stock trading for sitting members of government.
   • “Weed out the snakes.” (141:32)

PFT Commenter’s Presidential Policies

1. Mandatory, Federally Subsidized Open Gyms in Every Town (103:49)

   • Multi-use recreation/athletic centers, especially for under-18s; adult section for a small fee.
   • “If you have nice gyms…it’s good for everyone’s mental health. It gives you something to do, something for the community…” (106:32)

2. Elevated Bike and Pedestrian Lanes in All Cities >10,000 People (107:45)

   • “I think elevated bike lanes is the way to go…a great way to stay healthy and be safer.” (108:48)
   • Promotes environmentalism, safety, fitness, urban design.

3. No Nukes (Bonus “Hippie” Plank) (101:49)

   • Global nuclear disarmament: “What if we just…nukes should be illegal? Just get rid of all the nukes.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Illogical Playoff Committee:
  “These people are clowns. And it’s a sham organization. The whole thing’s a joke.” —Big T (11:10)
• On AI “Jesus”: “He’s introducing his ex to his new thing.” —Arian, on Joe Rogan’s AI Christianity mashup (23:24)
• On Healthcare Morality:
  “If I have to choose between an insulin payment and food, I’m going to choose food… I would love to pay more if I know I’m going to save somebody’s kid’s life” —Arian (126:13)
• On Recidivism and Crime:
  “Can you understand the frustration of living in a city...where these policies have ...resulted in terrible things happening to innocent people?” —Big T (159:41)
• On Coaching Kids:
  “I want to win, of course, but that’s life...I cannot stand when people lay down and don’t fight.” —Arian (41:36)
• On Politics and Empathy:
  “It’s fascinating to me that people would be like, well, they create jobs and blah blah blah…there’s a certain point where you’re greedy.” —Arian (123:20)
• On Social Media Sports Drama:
  “Just bake on the internet. Just bake a sourdough loaf.” —Mad Dog (71:47)
• On Athlete Ego:
  “Your favorite athlete absolutely thinks he’s the best thing that has ever touched that field or court. I promise you.” —Arian (77:06)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• College Football/NIL/Playoffs & Bracket: 03:53 – 19:21
• Joe Rogan’s AI Jesus: 20:21 – 27:09
• Pets, Parenting & Dog Community: 31:30 – 33:54
• Rise in College Disability Accommodations: 33:40 – 39:12
• Youth Football Coaching Recap: 41:00 – 47:01
• Sports Wives, Social Media and Browns Drama: 64:01 – 73:02
• Presidential Policy Draft Debate: 85:26 – 166:09 (with a heated 30 min on healthcare and crime policy, 98:58–163:47)
• Giannis & NBA Free Agency Chatter: 166:44 – End

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Overall Tone and Takeaway

A simultaneously silly and serious debate, blending sharp policy arguments with the show’s trademark humor, sports tangents, and pop culture riffs. The hosts spar fiercely (particularly over healthcare and punishment philosophy) but illustrate the intractability and complexity of “fixing” America through policy alone. All the while, the episode stays true to the Macrodosing style: brain-tickling, argumentative, and never above a well-timed roast or a tangent about AI Jesus, ass hats, or open gyms.

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For listeners: This episode offers a miniature town hall on the present American dilemma—fixing big things, being fair, and keeping your sanity—whether you’re in the locker room, the dog park, or the Oval Office.

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I think. I think we're going to solve a lot of problems today. We always do here. Also, special Shout out, the Spotify rap just came out this morning. So been seeing a lot of people that are. Are tweeting and tagging us on Instagram in their Spotify wrapped. Really appreciate that. Always cool to see the different countries too, that people listen to us in. That's always pretty wild.

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[A]

Yep. We got a lot to get into today before we solve every problem in the world. But I. I think. I think we kind of have to start with some of the college football stuff that's been going on. Big T, I always love to talk.

[B]

College football with you.

[A]

I've been. I've been purposely trying to not talk college football with Big T since we've been in the studio, because I want to hear everything that he has to say about it. Obviously, the shakeout, the fallout from the. The Lane Kiffin stuff. He seems tan in Louisiana. Did you notice that?

[B]

No.

[A]

He seemed tanner at his press conference.

[B]

I didn't notice.

[A]

Okay. But there's been some other stuff, namely Penn State. Penn State just might not. They just might not have a coach.

[B]

So shortly after we stopped recording on Monday is when the Crumble Cookie CEO put out a tweet that he was ready to do whatever it took to retain Kalani Sataki at byu.

[A]

Time to get off the sidelines.

[B]

I did not know Crumble Cookie was a Provo, Utah venture.

[A]

Oh, big time.

[B]

But it kind of makes sense.

[A]

It does.

[B]

They don't drink or anything, so they just go massive into sugar.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Because they have the soda things and all that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And BYU did end up retaining Kalani Sataki, who also apparently was meeting with, like, the top officials of the Mormon Church.

[A]

Like, there's. There's some weird stuff. I don't fully understand it, but if you want to give a lot of money, it might have to be sanctioned by the church.

[B]

I think they went to the church form. You know, the Mormon Church has, like, hundreds of billions of dollars in assets.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I also did not know it is a requirement that BYU's football coach be a Mormon.

[A]

I did not know that either.

[B]

Yeah. I learned that.

[C]

Really.

[B]

Through this saga. Yeah.

[C]

And know that that's so.

[B]

So they're Obviously, when they have a coach that they would like to retain, it's even more imperative for them because their pool to pick from is so limited.

[A]

So the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a net worth estimated at about $293 billion. 206 billion is in an investment portfolio.

It gets an estimated annual income of 31 billion.

[C]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

From sources such as tithing. So business leaders, just businessmen and businesses just give a bunch of money. Good for the Mormon Church. I didn't know that they. They had it like that.

[B]

And BYU is the perfect embodiment of, I guess, Vanderbilt football now as well. Of, like, once nil became a thing, people were like, well, if Harvard wanted to, they could be the best basketball program in the country. Right. Like, Vandy has Committed significant money to football, which is obviously paying off. BYU has the. They got the Crumble guy. They got the. The guy who owns the Jazz. I don't know how he made his money, but he. So now they're getting the top basketball recruit in the country. Yep. They're paying their football coach significant money.

[A]

They've got a nutrition guy, too, A young nutrition guy that's very involved. He was. He helped get the. The basketball team all their nil money. Now he's waiting his way into football, too. So, yeah, byu. Listen, BYU is a power player now when it comes to money in college football.

[B]

It seems that pretty soon there will be advertisements on college football uniforms of which I am not a fan, but the BYU crumble cookie patch could be pretty fun.

[A]

That will be excellent. Yeah, it's. It's been. It's been crazy seeing the. The business leaders come together and now they're having pissing contests over a coach. And Penn State lost out on him. Goes back to byu. BYU is very happy. I think he's a great coach. So he. Yeah, he's making a lot of money. Good for him. And then Penn State just has an interim coach kind of. And they don't really have. I think they were going out at Brian Hartline, but he went to usf.

[B]

They are, I believe I saw outs. Today is national signing day. They do not have a head coach and I believe they're outside the top hundred.

[A]

They are in the last I saw, Harvard was beating them.

[B]

Really? Yeah. I mean, I think they only had two. Two guys who remained committed. I'm looking 100. Is Western Michigan. Load more.

Wyoming, Utah State, Rice, Idaho. I'm still not seeing them.

Yeah, they're way down here. Not a great day for 150 behind schools such as McNeese, West Georgia and Towson.

[A]

So this is going to set them back.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like big time.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

We're going to feel the ramifications of this for the next, what, three years?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we had the College Football Playoff drop their bracket last night. I want to know your take on it because my take was that I think that Miami has a very real chance of making it.

[B]

I hope so, because I placed a wager on them to make the College football playoff at plus 650.

[A]

Did you do that yesterday? Yeah, I did, too. So you thought the same thing I did.

[B]

I just don't see how, if it comes down to Notre Dame and Miami, that they played each other.

[A]

They did.

[B]

Now, there is precedent for this. A few years ago Tennessee and Alabama finished 5 and 6. Back when the playoff was four teams. Tennessee had beaten Alabama and Alabama was 5 and Tennessee was 6.

But I just don't see how you have two teams that are right next to each other.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they, like. I do agree with the premise if Notre Dame is head and shoulders better. Like if, If. If their records weren't the same or anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They have the same record against similar competition. Miami's schedules, probably harder. And Miami beat them. I just don't see how you put Notre Dame in. Now. There is a scenario where it doesn't come down to the two of them, in which case you're just shit out of luck. But.

If it's down to those two schools for one spot, it has to be Miami.

[A]

Yeah, I would agree with that. And I think that the way that it would shake out if. If BYU loses to Texas Tech, then Miami and Notre Dame are going to be ranked right next to each other because they don't play.

[B]

Should. Yeah.

[A]

They should be one right after the other. And it feels like. Hunter, your check, the guy that runs the College Football Playoff. Clown, but absolute clown. Yeah, he did say that. Yeah. I think head to head's important if the two. Especially if the two teams are ranked.

[B]

Right next to each other and then right behind them, 9 and 3. Texas was ahead of 10 and 2 Vanderbilt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Presumably because Texas beat them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And they have a worse record.

[A]

Doesn't make a lot of sense.

[B]

No, these people are clowns. And it's a. It's a sham organization. The whole thing's a joke.

[A]

They. They put JMU at 25, which I was happy to see that because I. Even if. If UNT had remained unranked, I thought that if UNT beats Tulane in the American, they would then have UNT leapfrog and they would be the group of five that got in. But I like the fact that they ranked JMU because that tells me that if Duke beats uva, I don't think that there's a world that they would rank duke.

[C]

Right.

[A]

With five losses, you can't.

[B]

You can't put Duke and over 12 and one James Madison.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

Duke stinks.

[A]

You absolutely cannot do that. So I remain hopeful that maybe Duke can pull it out this weekend.

[B]

And then also, by the way, another thing to take into consideration is if Duke wins and they're like, well, we're not putting in the ACC champion. Miami is the only ACC representative that could make it, at which point are they really going to leave out a power Conference in favor of two group of five teams.

[C]

I.

[B]

Well, the two group of five.

Correct. I'm just saying you put in two group of five schools and nobody from the acc. That's not going to make one of your power players to whatever extent the ACC is one very happy.

[A]

And then Notre Dame, they're going to complain because they don't have a conference they can win.

[B]

Actually, I think it's their fault.

[A]

The take of the day yesterday might have belonged to RG3 as it usually does on any given day. He said that BYU is being left out because of anti Christian bias.

[C]

Oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, I could see that.

[A]

Um, but he also was saying that they should be in over Notre Dame. So you try to figure that one out.

I can't.

[C]

That.

[A]

That doesn't. The lines aren't crossing in my head.

[B]

Also.

SMU got the last spot last year. Yeah, I think they're very, very loosely. Like, I don't think it's a. It's like a huge deal there. But they are Southern Methodist University.

[A]

They are. That's true.

[B]

TCU's been in it.

[A]

They have.

[B]

Any others?

Trying to think Notre Dame, obviously.

[A]

Notre Dame. Yeah, I don't think that there have been any.

I don't think so. But yeah, it's going to be. It's going to be a fun weekend of college football. Now, if BYU wins Big T, if they beat Texas Tech.

And then let's say Duke beats uva.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

How do you see that shaken out?

[B]

I'd have to count up the spots. So then you have. Hang on, let me, let me look at the. Because then BYU and Texas Tech are.

[A]

Both in no chance. They drop Texas Tech out.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Zero. Okay, so that would be Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon, Ole Miss, A and M. Oklahoma, Alabama is 9, BYU is 10.

And the G5 team is 11. So now you're left with Notre Dame, Miami, Vandy and JMU for one spot.

[A]

Yeah, but it would have to be.

[B]

And it would have to go to Miami.

[A]

But it would know it would. You have to have the five highest ranked conference champions.

[B]

Correct. Which would be sec.

[A]

Yep. Byu, byu, Big Ten, Tulane or unt. Oh, so James Madison.

[B]

So.

[A]

So it doesn't matter.

[B]

Correct. So then there would. There wouldn't even be another at large spot left.

[A]

Yeah, they would take one of the ATLA at large spots away. That's all that would do.

[B]

So that could kick Notre Dame and Miami out.

[A]

That could make them both very unhappy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Hmm.

Yeah. This. Listen, all this could be solved if we were just a rational.

Viewing public, and we didn't need to make this like, oh, what, 12 teams, 24 teams. Go back to the way everything was in 2011. There was nothing wrong with it. All the conferences were correct. The BCS was fine. I know people don't want to hear that. It was fine. And you could have a great season and go to a great, historically prominent bowl game. And if you want it, that was a. That was an awesome season. We don't need to be arguing over nine and three teams getting into the playoff or, with all due respect, James Madison in North Texas. That's great. Just give me the teams that can win the national championship. And by the way, you're complete. For all I hear about all how the games are more meaningful.

11&O, Texas A and M losing against Texas, completely meaningless Big Ten championship game between 2:12 and O teams, completely meaningless SEC championship. Same thing. Like, you are in some instances giving greater meaning to some games that otherwise wouldn't have them, but you're taking away significant meaning from games that would be incredible otherwise.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So 2011, take me back. Get Missouri out of the SEC. Get A&M out of the SEC, get Oregon out of the Big Ten. We don't need this. We don't have to live this way. I promise.

[A]

So I agree with Big T that it's kind of ridiculous that it could be JMU and North Texas or a Tulane in the College Football Playoff. We have zero percent chance to go.

[B]

Get plastered by Oregon.

[A]

Well, I think the spread would be under 20.

[B]

I don't. Are there, like, hypothetical lines on that?

[C]

I.

[B]

Look at sag.

[A]

Yeah. Look at Saga. Sagrin actually has JMU ranked pretty high.

[B]

I think, by the way, under 20 isn't exactly. So Oregon's at 94.8. Let's see where JMU.

[A]

I want to say, like 80 or 82.

[B]

80. So that would be like a 17 point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Edge for three for home field.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, crazier things have happened, but.

[B]

It'S just like we would not be.

[A]

Able to compete with Oregon. I. I'm not. We can beat a lot of. I think a lot. The top of the group of five can beat a lot of the bottom half of the power five.

[B]

Definitely. They do it routinely.

[A]

Yeah. But we're talking about the top of the top, the best of the best. And there's just no chance that that teams that are constructed the way that that JMU or UNT would be constructed would have a chance.

[B]

And to be clear, Oregon's an outstanding team, I think they have a chance to win the national championship. They didn't earn playing for the national title either. They got to play Indiana at home. They lost. Sorry, buddy, you're out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Give me the two best teams.

[A]

When you've got, when you've got like the Texas coaches like Sark and, and a lot of the ESPN media. That was ridiculous on Black Friday.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

Just putting on a cape for Texas being like, this team should be in the play. You lost three.

[B]

They lost to four and eight Florida.

[A]

And handily, I, I, I think maybe going to overtime against Kentucky's worse probably.

[B]

Because Florida still has talent.

[A]

Yeah. You go to overtime against Kentucky, you go.

[B]

And Mississippi State.

[A]

Overtime against Mississippi State. That was a great game, though.

[B]

Yeah. Like it's, it's for all they complain about losing to Ohio State that in the game that cost you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Lost to Florida. Yeah.

[A]

If you're, if you have three losses and you're complaining about not being in the playoff, you need to just chill out. You had your chance.

[B]

But this is what, this is what it's come to. And guess what? We're going to be arguing over eight and four teams soon once we expand it again.

[C]

Yep. So, yeah, they talk about expanding the playoff.

[B]

They are going to and they're going to keep doing it as long as they print money.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

This Hunter Yurichuk guy, he's just, he's all over the map.

[B]

Well, and you know, he was thrust into the leadership position after the Baylor guy got ousted.

[A]

Yep. It's, it's also ridiculous that he even goes on TV and he does media. Like, if I were him, I'd be like, no, I don't want to answer any questions because the way that naturally, if you have a 12 team playoff, there are going to be some teams that have cases to make over the teams that are currently in, like the ones that are on the edge on the outside looking in. You'll have some strong arguments. You're not going to be able to make everybody happy with all your explanations. You're just not, you're, you're going to get tripped up. You're going to get caught in some, some conflicting thinking and conflicting rankings. But he insists on, on doing media and being like, yeah, I'll talk to you.

[B]

And they try to rationalize these things that they've clearly rigged to just make whatever decision they want. I'd respect him more if he was like, yeah, we're just going to do whatever we want. Yeah, Sec, it's not even that. It's just like.

Yeah, the whole thing's a sham. I'm not a fan. They want to make this, like, the NFL. Great. You're going to ruin the greatest sport we have, but it's fine.

[A]

All right. Well, elsewhere in the news, this is an interesting take that I saw. Hadn't really thought about it until. Until I saw the clip. We talk about artificial intelligence a good bit on this. This podcast.

Thought leader Joe Rogan was talking about AI as it pertains to religion the other day. Have you seen this clip, Aaron?

[C]

I've not seen this clip.

[A]

This is a. I'll read you the quote. You can. You can watch the clip, too, if you. If you'd like. But Rogan was discussing artificial intelligence and religion, and he said, you know, Jesus was born out of a virgin mother. What's more virgin than a computer? If Jesus does return, you don't think he could return his artificial intelligence? I could absolutely return as Jesus.

[C]

If you were to have an amalgamation of all of Joe Rogan's thoughts, that is, what would you would compute out of it? That. That makes perfect sense.

[A]

That's his word. That's his word cloud. If you compress it enough, if you made AI Joe Rogan and asked it to say a sentence, that's what it.

[C]

Would come out with. That's what that is what would come out.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. I. I think. I think you're right about that. I listen. It's. It's called AI Artificial Intelligence. You think Jesus could be artificial? I'm not even like a big Jesus knower.

[C]

I want to meet the people because they're out there that heard that and was like, whoa, that's deep. I want to meet those people.

[B]

It's a much larger number than you would care to know.

[C]

I would agree. And I just want to have a conversation with him, like, how's your day going?

[B]

I didn't see this.

[A]

He said, what's more virgin than a computer?

[C]

Facts. Virgin ain't never nobody.

[A]

Computers are people. We got a. We got people over. We got AI sex bots.

[C]

It's not. That's the old philosophical like, okay, if I take a piece of wood off of the boat, at what point does it become another boat?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? Like, is it the computer? I don't know. Only Jesus AI can answer.

[A]

This is a wild, wild thing for him to put out, though he had been toying with.

[C]

I heard a clip from him a while back that he had said.

Where he was making fun of the Big Bang, quote, unquote. Yeah. And he was saying, well, people think that's true. He said, I think Jesus being born of a virgin and coming back and being resurrected, that's probably more true than the big bang happening. So he's been flirting with the g. He's been flirting with Jesus for a while now.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. He's. He's, he's been to church a few times. He's talked about that.

[B]

But this is like, not the opinion of, like, someone who's ingratiating themselves into Christianity.

[A]

No, this is the opinion of somebody that spends part time going to church and then the other part of his time talking to people that develop AI Right. And so he's. He's trying to combine his new. Two of his brand new passions that he has.

[C]

He's introducing his ex to his new thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the new boo is like, joe, we appreciate, we enjoy our relationship, but we're gonna have to set some ground rules here.

And then he goes back and he meets with Peter Thiel. He meets with Elon, and they're like, no, you keep pushing the. The AI thing, please. He's like, okay, all right, all right, I'll talk to them. I'll talk to them about it. He's trying to. He might be. Joe Rogan is starting a new religion. That's what he's doing.

[C]

Jesus 3000. I love it.

[A]

Your own personal Jesus.

[B]

The top reply to that clip is, this is going to sound batshit crazy. Spoiler alert. It does. So take it with a grain of salt. But it makes sense. If you ever watched Raised by wol, an HBO Max original since removed from Max. What if we've been misinterpreting religious text the entire time and it's actually.

[C]

Okay, okay.

[B]

Warning not to create AI Just a theory, but a fun rabbit hole to go down. Highly recommend the show.

[C]

What is it called?

[B]

Raised by Wolves, an HBO Max original.

[A]

So they're saying that. That religion is an allegory for A.I.

[B]

No, he's saying, what if we've been misinterpreting religious text the entire time and it's actually a warning not to create A.I. i don't.

[A]

Okay, I. I'll have to watch the show Raised by Wolves.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not familiar with Jesus either.

[C]

So he's saying Jesus.

Is he saying the creation of religion or religion in general?

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Okay. So either way, he's saying Jesus or the creation of Jesus was an invention or a warning sign for us not.

[B]

To create AI Raised by Wolves centers on two androids. Father and mother tasked with raising human children on Kepler 22B. I guess that's a planet. After the Earth is destroyed by a great war, as religious differences threaten to tear apart the burgeoning colony of humans, the androids learn that controlling the beliefs of humans is a treacherous and difficult task.

[C]

That's true. Shout out to the androids for recognizing that.

I like it, Joe. I like what you're doing. I love it.

[A]

I mean.

It does feel like we might be going that direction.

[C]

Jesus is gonna.

[A]

Not Jesus, but the people that are making AI are gonna try to make AI that's addictive, that makes you feel good, that that shows love to the user or makes the user feel what they interpret as love. And then they rely on AI for spiritual guidance, things like that.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I could. Yeah, I said. Because I'm definitely getting one of those bots once it becomes operable. I am. I'm sorry.

[A]

And that would be. But everybody would have a different AI Jesus, one that was tailored to their unique needs. So we'd all be receiving guidance from different versions.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah, go ahead.

[C]

I would argue that everybody already does have their own unique Jesus.

[A]

There's a lot of different interpretations, but this would be, like, you know, specific in religion. You've at least got the source text, right?

[C]

But. Yeah, but I mean, you have thousands of different sects from that source text. So I would argue AI Jesus might be a little bit more valuable. Hear me out. Because you have the original source text that the AIGs can give you, but then you have a wealth of information that it could research and dig up and bring up. So it's kind of better, it's an upgrade. And then maybe this is an upgrade.

[A]

And then if you believe. If you truly believe and follow your own AI Jesus, you will achieve eternal life, because.

The artificial intelligence will then upload your consciousness to the cloud, into the cloud. And if you do not believe that's heaven, they will not upload your consciousness after you die.

[B]

I don't know if y' all are hearing yourselves. You started out laughing at this. Now it seems like you're kind of rooting for it.

[A]

Absolutely. No, I'm saying that's going to happen. I'm not rooting for it. But.

There are people that. That Joe definitely talks to on maybe a weekly basis that are in charge of developing these AI systems designed to get you addicted to them. And they look at their own AI that they're building is like the. The key to change the entire world. And they will try to do something like this, probably. Unless we stop them.

[C]

I'm getting me a robot. I don't care.

[A]

Yeah. So tell me about your robot.

[C]

What do you want to know about him?

[A]

Yeah, what kind of robot?

[C]

The. The look, I want an autonomous. Like, you know, man, it might kill me, but, like, I'm very interested in getting a robot.

[D]

I think it might kill you, unfortunately.

[A]

Are you going to allow your robot to, like, be in the bathroom with you?

Yeah. You're taking a poop. You're out of toilet paper.

[C]

Go get it for me. Absolutely.

[A]

You're taking a shower. You step out, he's got the towel for you.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Is that gonna be. Be weird?

[C]

No. It's an inanimate object.

[A]

Yeah, but it's got cameras and stuff.

[C]

I mean, what's it gonna do with my naked pictures?

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I don't care.

It's not gonna, like.

If. If my naked pictures leak online. Like, I'm not. I don't care.

[A]

Here's Arian Foster taking a.

[C]

If you watch me, boo boo, that's on you.

Not gonna change my life one bit.

[A]

Are you going to allow your dog into the bathroom while you're pooping?

[C]

Knock your ass out, man.

[A]

Dog's not allowed to see you naked.

[C]

What's this? It's. That's weird.

[A]

Yeah, that's a.

[C]

That's a thing. That's a being. Yeah, I mean, he's got a soul.

[A]

It. It. Blake has seen me naked many times. It feels a little bit weird.

[C]

Flip. Flip that.

[A]

Well, yes, people's dogs are. Are in the room with them and they change. He wanders in the bathroom. He likes.

[C]

How often does your dog see you naked?

[A]

I'd say probably two to three times a week.

[C]

That's interesting.

[A]

If I'm changing and he's out of his crate and he's just hanging out. If. If I'm taking a shower, he likes to go in the bathroom. Just kind of sit outside the shower.

[C]

I mean, that's. That's probably a feel good thing because of the steam.

[A]

It might be a feel good thing.

[C]

I almost did the most white girl thing ever. So I. I went to petsmart yesterday. I got a whole bunch of food, some toys. I saw a little Santa Claus outfit. I almost got it.

Almost got him a little Santa Claus fit.

[A]

He'd be a good elf at that size.

[C]

That's true. Hierarchy. I'm Santa. He gotta know. Yeah.

[A]

So any updates on dog life?

[C]

Yes. So he is right now at a boarding place. Puppy training.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So.

[C]

So we took him to a puppy training place. They gonna teach him, like, the basics. He's not old enough yet for, like, real training where it's like. Because I told the lady, I said, eventually, I want to be able to him to be off leash and walk with me on a golf course.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And she's like, I think that's amazing. I think that's excellent. She's like, he's not there yet. He's like. But we have this program for puppies that teaches them basic, like, you know, stop shitting and pissing in the house. Kennel training. So he's not crying in the kennel all the time.

All that kind of stuff. Socializing with dogs that. Because he's kind of timid around other dogs right now and other people and so. So it's like socializing him for that. So.

Yeah, we see him every day. And.

It'S gonna be good. It's good.

[A]

Excellent. I'm excited for you.

[C]

Me too. Turn over a new paw. Bless you. God bless you. Thank you.

[A]

How did the Internet react to you having a dog? What was the feedback that you got?

[C]

Overwhelming love and support from dog people. There's like a few dipshits that, you know, say stupid shit. But that's. That's life, man. You know, you just acknowledge their miserableness and you. And you move on.

[B]

I think that should tell you something, by the way, that the dog community was very welcoming to you.

[C]

Like, their dogs. I don't.

[B]

But it's a happier group of people as opposed to the miserable losers that you said were talking shit.

[C]

They had dogs too.

[B]

Do we know that?

[C]

Yeah. One of them was like, you're gonna give up that dog in a week. He said, yeah. It's like, it's about keeping it for a lifetime. It's not. It's not just a couple weeks. Ass hat.

First of all, hilarious. Clap right there. Ass hat is funny as shit, but I just. I couldn't imagine being that upset and then taking that to my social media page.

[B]

That's a big time white guy.

Degradation.

[A]

Yeah, I would say that that was real big in like the late 2000s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You hit somebody with an ass hat.

[C]

Online.

[A]

You'Re not coming back from it. Assad is. Yeah. That guy hasn't been online for too long. That's what that tells me. That's a young kid. He just learned ass hat asset.

[C]

You. Ass hat?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What the. Does that even like ass hat?

[B]

Maybe it's like your. Your head is up your ass, so you're wearing it as a hat.

[C]

Okay. Yeah. I can see.

[B]

I've never actually considered that, but I think that's what it has to be.

[A]

I think you're right.

[C]

You just, you just crack that case.

[A]

Yeah, I like it because if there was an. If the hat looked like an ass and you're just walking around wearing a. An ass shaped hat, that's kind of. That's silly too. But it's sillier.

[B]

But that's like, I'm here to party.

[A]

Yeah, but it's sillier if your head's up your own ass.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

It's like, that's. You're an idiot. Okay. We got to the bottom of that. That was good.

[C]

I'm glad we. Glad we did that.

[A]

Nice work, Big T. You sent over a couple things. In the news today, there is a trend at colleges and universities of more and more students reporting as being disabled.

[B]

Yeah. So like 20. At Brown and Harvard, more than 20% of undergraduates are registered at disabled. At Stanford, it's nearly 40%.

[A]

Now. Does this include things like anxiety?

[B]

I believe this is mostly things like that. These are not like physical disabilities.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

These are like, you know, IEP type.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Deals.

[A]

So I guess as, as mental health issues get diagnosed more and more.

It gives legitimacy to a lot more disability claims. Like if somebody has bad anxiety, they can request like a solo dorm room.

[B]

I think this is like extra time on tests and things of that nature.

[A]

Okay. So, yeah, if you're diagnosed like ADHD, then you can get extra like 50 time on a test if you have anxiety. This seems like something that a lot of people might have tried back when I was going to school, especially like the anxiety thing to try to get your own dorm. That was a big thing. Everybody wanted their own dorm. They didn't want to have to have a roommate. And so people would sometimes try to figure out a way they could do that. I feel like colleges said no back then, and now colleges are saying yes.

[B]

And now they feel like they can't.

[A]

They can't say no to it.

[B]

This, by the way, is from a. It's from a piece in the Atlantic. So this is not a, you know, conservative publication called the Accommodation Nation was the. The title.

[A]

And it sounds like the schools themselves are not. They don't really know how to handle it.

Yeah, because they don't. If they tell, too many people know, then they can be accused of discrimination. They want to have a productive learning environment in theory. But they're like this, Is this just getting a little too much?

[B]

You hear students with disabilities and it's not kids in wheelchairs. One professor at a selective university who requested anonymity because he doesn't have tenure, told me, quote, it's just not, it's rich kids getting extra time on tests. Even as poor students with disabilities still struggle to get necessary provisions. Elite universities have entered an age of accommodation. Instead of leveling the playing field, the system has put the entire idea of fairness at risk.

[A]

So when it comes to taking tests, not everybody takes tests the same way. I understand that some people are good at taking tests. Some people struggle with the formats depending if it's multiple choice, if it's essay, if it's just focusing on a test for a long enough period of time. And you can, you can know the material and not be as naturally prepared, given your brain chemistry, as other students. So I don't really have that much of an issue with, like, if you get more time on a test, I feel like that could be more fair. But when you get into the workplace, these accommodations aren't going to be there.

Most people won't find bosses that are like, oh, you get, you know, twice the time to complete an assignment. That's fine.

[B]

I think we've been hearing that for a long time, but I don't know that that's as true as it once was, that what, what you just said.

[A]

That they won't be accommodated.

[B]

I think this has seeped into corporate culture a lot as these people have grown up.

[A]

Well, I, I think, I think 10.

[B]

Years ago that was probably mostly true. And now I don't know that it is.

[A]

In corporate culture, though, you, you're not like, giving tests. You don't, when you get a job, you don't, like, do homework and take tests.

[B]

Correct. But I think this kind of thing is, is much more prevalent.

[A]

Like, if you have to put together a PowerPoint, if you get a big marketing meeting and you're like, we need six new ideas that we have to come up with for this new client. I don't think that most bosses are like, you know what? We'll give you extra time. It's okay if it's not. If you don't have your, your PowerPoint ready when we do the meeting, you can just show us next week. I feel like the deadline's a deadline.

Yeah, I, I, I don't know. I haven't been in a real office environment in a very long time.

[C]

Other accommodations risk putting the needs of one student over the experience of their peers. One administrator told me that a student at a public college in California had permission to Bring their mother to class. This became a problem. Oh, this became a problem because the mother turned out to be an enthusiastic class participant.

[B]

That was, Remember there was a thing that came out not too long ago about Gen Z taking their parents on job interviews.

[A]

Yeah, I did see that.

[B]

But this just seems to fall in line with the recent.

[A]

Eli Manning did that too, coming out of college.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This, this is in line with the Harvard thing where everybody's getting A's and now they're mad that they're not gonna all get A's. And the, the UCSD thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where half the freshmen can't do elementary school math.

[A]

Yeah. Aaron, to your point about the mom that's going to class and becoming like, too much of an active participant, I'm beginning to see maybe where this child might be struggling with adapting to outside environments.

[C]

Clearly.

[B]

Like, like what parents?

[A]

The best thing for that kid would be to just not have his mom around him.

[C]

Right. So we call that helicopter parenting. And, and I deal with that, you know, with some of, some of my children's mothers. It's. I, I, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I say this, I'm probably a little bit more conservative in areas when it comes to parenting than you would think. Like, I do believe in emotional intelligence in kids and having them understand their feelings, having them understand and express their feelings. But I believe in struggle. I believe that shit builds character. I believe you gotta get out there, you gotta fall flat on your face, and then I'm here as a parent to help guide you and pick you back up. But, but you gotta feel this world. You have to. And a lot of people parent in a way that's like they struggle so much, so they feel like that their kids shouldn't have to struggle through anything, but they forget that struggle is part of the reason why you're resilient because you went through that. So I let my kids fail. Like, you have to let them fail. Like, I saw that with coaching when I was coaching. Like, a lot of kids, parents, they don't like.

Give in to the process. They want to guide rail their kids into where they feel like, no, whatever happens happens. We'll figure it out afterwards. But you got to fall on your face, you got to fail. Especially at that age, you got to let these little fail. And I do believe a lot of it comes from, like, when we was growing up, we struggle so much that we don't want to put our kids through anything that let them fail.

[B]

Oh, speaking of coaching, we never got what happened in the championship game?

[C]

Oh, man.

[B]

I was worried this was the answer, given that we hadn't heard.

[C]

I mean, I forgot to just mention. I think I missed the.

[B]

Yeah, that may have been one.

[C]

I had a long talk with my guys after that, after the game. And I don't ever mind losing, especially as a coach. Right. Losing is part of life. That's what I was taught as a young kid is football is a mirror about life. You have a goal that you're trying to get to, and there are obstacles along the way. There's things trying to stop you, and you have people helping you along the way, getting there. That's why. That's why I grew up loving ball.

So I don't mind losing. Shit happens. You take a loss, you dust it off, we pick it back up. It's always next year or whatever the case may be. I cannot stand, though, when people lay down and don't fight. And I told my kids, I said, listen, like, I don't. I don't mind that we lost. That's life. This is a championship game. I want to win, of course, but, like, that's life. But I don't know what it was. I think it was the prestige of the other team. That team hadn't lost the game in four years, and that team we lost to six to seven in the regular season. Six, seven. Yeah.

And so we came in a little bit more confident, but they laid down. They just laid down. They did. They stopped fighting. It was like there was nothing I could call. There was nothing we could do on defense. The kids just were. It was like they were scared. Scared of the moment. And I was like. I called the time at one point, I was like, dog, I will fight with you. I will go in this crowd because the crowd's talking shit. They could hear the opposing. The opposing parents was talking. I got into it, a couple of.

[B]

Them.

[C]

And I was like, I'll fight with you. I'll fight this whole damn crowd with you. I said, but I need y' all to fight with me. I said, I can't be out here fight. I can't play this game for y'. All. And my boys just laid down. So after the game, I was telling them, listen, man, like, in life, life is going to throw you challenges. Like. Like. Like it just happened. I said, I need you to respond better than you did tonight. Whatever you do, if it's career, if it's a job, if it's your relationship, y' all have to fight. When life hits you in the mouth, Because y' all did not fight tonight. And I'll be lying if I say I wasn't disappointed as a coach. Like, it was. It was not good. Like, and then that as a coach, it was disappointing. And so. But it's. It happens. It is what it is. I wish them boys well. I'm gonna follow a few of their careers because a few of them gonna be D1 athletes for sure.

[B]

Are you coaching next year?

[C]

Absolutely not.

[B]

That was it.

[C]

That was it. One and done, man. Made it to the championship. You got never again, huh? You gotta win one.

Big T. It is such a commitment, and I enjoyed it.

[A]

Don't get me wrong.

[C]

I was late night, crafting plays, watching film, breaking down this, doing a lot of that shit, right? It's just. It's such a commitment, and I. If there's one thing I can't do and I'm not good at is when people talk shit to me, I have to talk shit back. It's just. I don't know what it is. I just got to say something back. So we in the championship game, and these is yapping in the crowd, and I'm. I start talking shit back, right? Parents on our team, they start talking. I'm talking shit back. So I can't stand. People who I know don't know football, talk shit to me like they do, and they know what they talk about. I can't do that. It bothers me. And so it's like, I need to not be in that. Don't put myself in those situations while I'm arguing with somebody who probably didn't even start on a high school team about what play to run. Can I do that?

[B]

Do I have permission to maybe impart some wisdom to you that has helped me tremendously?

[C]

Absolutely, brother.

[B]

Don't take criticism from people you wouldn't take advice from.

[C]

I'm going get that tatted on my neck. Big T. I love that shit. Yeah, you right.

[A]

That's real. And.

[C]

Yeah, but. But I said, I told you I'm not good at it if you pop. And it's not even like a insecurity thing. It's just like, I grew up talking shit, and I can't let you get one by me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just. If you talk, you're gonna get it right back.

[A]

Were they talking to you or talking to the players?

[C]

Both. And that's why I was tough. And the kids can hear this. So I was like, dog, I'll. I'll fight with you. I'll handle all that. But you gotta fight with me. But yeah, they talking, they're like, whack ass coach, blah, blah. I was like, bro, you ask somebody who you talking to? Like who you talking to? Hey, shut the up.

[A]

Have you done that? Have you done a self review of your play calling during the game?

[C]

Absolutely. As part of. Yeah, so, so I watched film. So when I watch film, how you, how you watch film is like. So if, if the, if the film is 30 minutes.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So you have 30 minutes of game film. Right. It probably takes me an hour and 30 minutes to watch that film. Right, because you rewind it. You rewind it, you rewind it. Okay. What does he do on this? What are you doing? This?

[B]

Look.

[C]

What is he doing? This, this. So like when I was watching film when we played on the first time, I was looking at how I was calling the plays and the growth that I had from that game to the end of the season was immense. Right. Just as a play caller, a lot of my issues was I'm calling the game like a pro. I have a pro style offense, so I'm calling the game like a pro style offense. And the kids on defense aren't disciplined enough to be.

They're not good enough yet technically to be in the places where I would expect them to be. So that the plays that I call work. Does that make sense?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

So there are a lot of times they're in position because they're out of position. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so, and so as I, as the season grew, I started to realize that more and more that this is not about X's and O's like it is in the pros. It's more about the cats. Get your playmakers the ball in, in space.

[A]

That makes sense.

[C]

Yeah. But yeah, I'm, I'm like, there is a, a human being can tell me that I ain't said to myself critically like I'm hard on myself. That's why I'm such a light hearted dude, because I'm hard on myself.

[A]

If you had to, if you had to criticize your play calling. Tell me about the game flow. Were you guys, was it close enough championship? Yeah.

[C]

I think the issue was.

We, we could not.

We had no time to do anything. Like anytime like your line struggles, the book says move the pocket, right? But our line was struggling so bad that moving the pocket wasn't even an option. We were just getting beat up. Like it was just hard nose football. The other team ran like three plays the whole game.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Off tackle Right off tackle, they did no trickery. And they had a little boy. This boy gonna be cold. I don't even know his name. I need to get his name. Cause I'm gonna watch. He definitely going D1. But he was little. He was a little number seven running back hard. They just fed him the ball. And it was old school Indian Mountain football. We had halftime, and I had no speech. I went up to my guys and I said, guys, I wish I could make adjustments and have a speech for. I was like, but I don't have any. They ran three plays. They busting you in the mouth. I was like, this is my heart. I said, y' all just gotta show up. They're not doing anything we said they not gonna do. They are just busting you in the mouth. This is not. They not doing no magic. They hitting. You hit them back. That's it. So I think. I think from that standpoint, as coaches.

I hate to be like, there's not much you can do in that situation, because there just isn't. They just got manhandled. And we. And I don't think it was a talent issue from. Because we played them before.

I think in that moment, they just shrunk in that moment. And that happens as athletes, you know what I mean, where you don't bring your best game. I just happened to be in the championship, but we just didn't show up. We had another game like that during the season where they just didn't show up. And we got whooped. And then we fought back from that. And it was weeks and weeks of preparation, of physicality. But it's all good, man. Life teaches you life lessons, and you gotta take them.

[B]

This is more college and pro than, obviously, youth. But do you agree with what Peyton Manning said, that there really is no such thing as halftime adjustments? He's like, I hear people talk about halftime adjustments all the time. All we did was go in, eat an orange, piss, and go back out.

[C]

No, I don't agree with that.

I think maybe to him, that makes sense because.

He adjusts at the line. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So. So if. So he's like.

If he sees a defense align in a certain way and he watches so much film that, like, there's nothing that defense can do to really trick him. Really, it's more about executing what he already knows. And so for us, there are adjustments. Okay. We prepped for this look. They're lining up in this look. Okay. And it's.

[A]

Why.

[C]

Yeah, I don't even think he believes that it's why, like, when you go to the sidelines, you have the iPad, they're looking at what's going on on the field. They're snap. Well, we had, like, when I first got to league, it was pictures. And then. Is it pictures on the iPad? I don't remember.

[B]

But now the iPad is legal now. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know if it's legal to look at video or not. I don't know. It could be. I don't know. But anyway, you're looking at the plays and.

Like I said, the reason why you don't get a lot of respect in the NFL if you. If you do it one year is because you have game film from a player for an entire year that defensive coordinators didn't understand your tendencies, weaknesses, and a game plan for you. And so when a game plan for you.

They'Re. They're. They're doing something where they're aligning in certain ways that.

They'Re trying to contain you. And so when you can beat that, that's when you get, you know, a lot of your peers respect.

But in order to do that, you have to understand what the defense is trying to do to you. And a lot of that is adjusting it. Especially like, yeah, halftime of the. Yeah. And stay. Instead of this, we prep for this. Instead of this, we're going to do this, or we're going back to the old way, yada, yada. Yeah, absolutely. This. Halftime of this. I don't. I'm unsure what he's referring to, but I think it's just because he's. His prowess is so big and his knowledge of the game is so big that there's not much that he hasn't seen. And so when he's at the line, he's probably just like, okay, they're, you know, they're running cover six instead of COVID four, like. Or, you know, they're. They're disguising. It's. It's probably just like, nothing surprises him. So he's like, okay.

[B]

By the way, it is just pictures. I thought for sure it was. So they're. They're only looking at still images on those.

[C]

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, that would be a huge competitive advantage if you watch film during the game. So when I was in the league, there's a little tent that printed out still shots of. Because alignment is everything. When you, when you craft in plays, it's all about angles. You're trying to get the best angle to run plays. Like, if you're pulling guards, if you're running zone or whatever, you're trying to get the best angle and leverage on your opponent. And so when you, when you're taking a still shot, just. That's why this is like in the very, the nuances of the game, the niche. Getting down to the nitty gritty, when you start talking about zero technique one, technique, you know, three technique four, I six, you know, when you start talking about, like the techniques that the defensive linemen are playing, like, those are huge. Like a four, three over, four, three under, you know, those kind of things. Like those kind of things matter during play calling. Like pulling into a three technique is not ideal. Yada, yada yada. All these different things, these little rules that you have that are like the.

Intricacies of the game, like all those. You could snapshot that and look at the back of it. Like, football is meant to be watched. If you can ever watch a game, watch it with the sky cast. Skycast watches the game from the back. That's how football is meant to be watched. Because when you look at from the side, everybody looks amazing. When you look at from the back, you can see mistakes. You can see the game better. You can see the safeties, which is what all quarterbacks look at when they break the huddle. They look at what the safeties are doing. Every single quarterback. The safeties tell you what the defense is doing. So Skycast, you could look at a game. If you want to look at it from a player's perspective, Skycast is the best way to watch a game.

[B]

But why? If you've got a coach that can notice something on film, like immediately after it happens, why shouldn't you be able to do that?

[C]

It's a competitive advantage.

[B]

But I mean, both teams can do it.

[C]

I don't know the why. I just remember. I just remember them saying, you can't watch video during the game. I never really dug into why. I don't. I don't know. That would be an NFL.

[B]

Yeah, it just seems like, I mean, if both teams can do it, you've already watched the play live, like you saw it happen.

[C]

I mean, I don't have a huge issue with it if both teams can do it. Just like, logistically, it's just. I know that it's a rule. I'm not for nor against it. I just know that it's a rule.

[A]

I have a question for you about safeties in general in football, Aaron, because I'm looking at some mock drops right now. It feels like the commander season is over. And I'M I'm starting to learn about who I should be targeting. I. There is one player that I've absolutely loved watching in college football for the last three seasons, and he plays safety, Caleb Downs. And what does he play for? He plays for the Ohio State University. He played at Alabama, then he transferred. He is a. A monster of a safety. He is athletic as. Great tackler, super fast, very smart. I don't want to say Sean Taylor, because Sean Taylor was different and he's probably my favorite player of all time. But I remember when. When the Redskins got Sean Taylor and the difference that he made from the safety position. But I also know that a safety is like, a very nice piece to have if you have a good defense already and if you've got a good team. But one safety becoming a game changer on their own is kind of a. I don't know. You can waste a pick. Not waste, but the. If you use a top 10 pick on a safety, it might not be as impactful as if you use a top 10 pick on, like, an elite cornerback or an elite, like, you know, pass rusher on defense. So I'm curious to know what you think about, like, the impact that a truly great safety could have on an otherwise mediocre to maybe slightly below mediocre defense.

[C]

It depends on what kind. No, I would. I would argue that if you have an elite safety.

Then.

Because the safety is like the quarterback of your defensive backfield, it's why, like, Belichick reveres Ed Reed so much. Right? Because when you have a safety and there's not many, I think Ed Reed's the best safety of all time. But when you have a safety that, that can. That can fuck with your quarterback like that, and he was. He was fucking with Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, like, he's like the juggernauts of the game. He's fucking with these people. He's just elite. I feel like that. That it's more than a cherry on top. It takes your defense from, like, good to great. I feel like a pass rusher. I'm kind of probably alone on this. I think a pass rusher is necessary, but I would argue a great safety is better than a great pass rusher. I feel like if you're stout in the run and, okay, pass rusher, I think you're fine. I look at Miles Garrett, for example. I mean, maybe having the best season a DN has ever had in this league, and they suck. You know what I mean? It's like, it. It's great to have that don't get me wrong. But like, I think because it's a passing league and it's. It's. This is all opinion. We're leaving. This is all opinion. It's all Aaron's opinion. But I think that it's. I think it's just better to have. I would rather have an EDRI than a Michael Strahan or, you know, Aaron Donald. I would rather have.

And I feel like you could build around it more.

[A]

Okay. Because I think I want this guy. What are you doing?

[C]

I talk. You talk to you? Yeah, we're taking him.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I just. I. I love. I love say. I think safeties are. They're one of my favorite. I. I probably should have played safety. I had an opportunity. But every. Troy Palomalu, like those kind of guys make. I mean, think about it. They have. They're on the best defense of all time.

[A]

I think your career turned out pretty good at running back. I think you probably made the right choice.

[C]

I don't know, man. I could have. I think I could have been a dog at safety.

[A]

I'll say this. I think that safety is the funnest position to play in snow football.

[C]

Yeah. I told y' all the story about Troy Palomalu, right. And how he just did whatever the.

[A]

Fuck he wanted to do.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that. Like that shit. When you have somebody like that, oh, it's. Change it. Change the game, change your defense, change the identity of your defense.

[B]

If we just want to do a full football show, Legend Bay just flip from Ohio State to Tennessee. It's a big Legend Bay who is on my. We should do this every year. I do the. The all name team signing day.

[A]

There's a good one at. At Virginia Tech.

[B]

Virginia Tech has two, so one of them was Legend Bay who just flipped from Ohio State to Tennessee. Savion Heider, the number one running back going to Michigan. It's H I T E R. And for those who haven't looked at his name, it's just every time you look at it, you just see. You see the H, man. It's. And by the way, their first game was supposed to be in Germany and now. And now they've. They're playing it on campus. They. They got rid of that.

[A]

You remember when Dante Whitner changed his name to Dante Hitner?

No, that was pretty crazy.

[C]

Did he really?

[A]

Yes, he changed his name to Hit.

[C]

I wonder if he kept. Is that. Is that legit? Did he really? Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like it. Like Chad Johnson changed his name to Ocho Cinco.

[B]

A few others. There's two at Virginia Tech. I'm curious which one you were talking about. There's Fat Rat Brown.

[A]

Yeah, Fat Rat Brown.

[B]

And then they also have a defensive lineman, Roseby. Purgatory. Lubentis.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

You want to tell.

[C]

That's the. That's a key appeal, Joan.

[B]

I've never. I've never heard of a Purgatory nickname.

[A]

Purgatory.

[B]

Because it's like.

[A]

Was he like a two and a half star?

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. Like you. You want to have somebody in hell.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not Purgatory.

And then Tennessee also got another guy, Nick Quavion. Simmons, AKA Nuke. And then there's kind of.

[C]

I kind of like that in the Quavion.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And definitely, definitely a brother.

[B]

And then there is a Jet Goldsberry going to Purdue. I usually have a few others. I haven't seen too many today.

[A]

What's. What's my man Mobility up to these days?

[C]

Mobility.

[B]

Let's see.

[A]

He was my favorite. He was at, uh.

[C]

Who's that white dude?

[B]

Oh, he's at Rice.

[A]

Noah.

[C]

He was.

[A]

Kuniga.

[B]

Yeah, he's at Eastern Michigan, I believe.

[C]

Oh, he was selling merch and that's crazy.

[B]

Mobility.

[C]

So hold on.

[D]

This.

[C]

Wait, wait, wait. Go ahead.

[B]

Mobility is at Rice. He is a red shirt junior.

[A]

Where are his brothers? He had. He had some fun named brothers too, I think.

[B]

And this year it doesn't look like he played a ton. Had two tackles against Prairie View on September 13th.

[A]

I like to take credit for finding Mobility because I was doing my all name team at the Barstool bowl and I found myself just going through every roster of every college and he was.

[C]

That's kind of insane.

[A]

He was a redshirt freshman at unt. No stats whatsoever, had not played in a game, and it just buried down the list. And then I was like, you got to be kidding me. This guy's name is Mobility.

It's a great name.

[B]

Do you know about. All right. And always. Right?

[A]

Yep.

[B]

The basketball brothers.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Although that's kind of cheating because their names are like Alejandro and something, I think. Yeah, but whatever.

[C]

Oh, man.

[A]

Mad Dog.

[C]

Yeah. This. This legend Bay guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What, what, what you saying? He. He committed to Tennessee.

[B]

He. He was committed to Ohio State and then out of nowhere he. Well, it's not out of nowhere. He'd been committed to Tennessee months ago, but he. He signed with UT today and Ohio State seems to have had no idea that was coming.

[A]

Big T, put together your. Your all name list for Wake up Barcelona.

[B]

It's going to be the list I.

[A]

Just read you, but you can maybe add.

[B]

We'll see if we have some more.

[C]

What does he play?

[B]

I think he's a quarterback in high school, but he's going to be a receiver, a safety legend. Bay from Forney, Texas.

[C]

Of course he is.

[A]

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[D]

Yes. Pft.

[A]

Yes. Mad Dog Aaron just brought up the Cleveland Browns.

[D]

Oh, did he now?

[A]

There's big news for the Browns today. Want to hear your comment on the the prodigal son has returned.

[D]

Deshaun Watson is designated for practice.

[A]

The practice window's open now for Deshaun Watson.

[D]

I quote, tweeted that saying in all caps, leave me alone. Okay, not great.

[A]

Wait, are you talking to deshawn or to us?

[D]

To deshawn.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

To Deshawn. I need. I need all the support I can get from you guys right now. Just like I need him to leave me alone.

[A]

Is he going to take a snap this year?

[D]

God, I hope not.

[C]

And what if he comes back and just.

[D]

Balls, Arian. Like, why would you Say that.

[C]

It would be wild.

[D]

Aaron I like. And that's funny because it's so far from. From reality because he's so, so, so bad for us.

[C]

The crazy part is he was one of the better players in the NFL when he left to Cleveland.

[A]

He was so good.

[D]

Yeah. I think he's played 17 total snaps for the team that he is stealing $250 million.

[A]

What if he just. What if he just balled out? Which I guess that was the problem with him to begin with.

[D]

That was the problem.

[A]

Falling out.

[D]

Right. Ball out.

[C]

Well, you can't be mad at him changing his ways then.

[A]

But what if he was good? That that would actually be the most Brown things ever. Thing ever is if DeSean Watson came back. Everyone hates him and he's just really good. And then you have to make a choice.

[D]

Like I wouldn't.

[A]

Are we, are we going to do this?

[D]

Well, actually. Well, if it's this season, we're cooked either way. There's no, there's no coming back from where we are.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Currently we're dead in the water at this point. If he, I don't know, like returning to practice, I don't know what that means in terms of his recovery timeline. Like if he could take snaps in an NFL game in two weeks or two months, I don't know what that means. So I'm not here to see like is he going to play the rest of the season? If he comes back and balls out, which he won't because he is bad at the game of football at this point in his life and is a bad person, he would only end up hurting us and hurting our draft stock because we're not going to win our division. I don't think by the, by the grace of God we will not win our division probably. And then he just hurts our draft stock and we get. Let's say we go.

6 and 11. What you get the 11th pick.

[A]

Probably like top 10.

[D]

Okay. Versus we're at I believe number five right now.

Ethically. Tank.

I have also another quarterback problem on my hands currently where Dylan Gabriel's fiance is causing a stir in her TikTok comments. Oh no, I. I've. DeShawn is back of my priorities right now. Dylan Gabriel's fiance is saying how everyone in the building wants Dylan to be playing not Shador and she has thoughts on him not playing. All this, all this bullshit.

[C]

Uh oh, the woke mob got to the Browns.

[D]

I don't know if she's necessarily woke.

[C]

I think she's, you know what I'M saying. So she's. Is she insinuating that Shador isn't playing over Gabriel for those reasons? For woke reasons.

[D]

Oh. Hmm. I don't know. She said, I have thoughts that I will not share. I think she just thinks her fiance is better at football than Shadur Sanders, which again, ride for your. Ride for your man. Be my guest. Don't put it on TikTok and then literally reply to comments saying everyone in the building wants Dylan to be playing. But you wouldn't know that because you're not an NFL player or a coach. Right? We can't have that, my love. And again, Emily Mayfield was like this a tiny bit when Baker was our quarterback and he was struggling. And she would go on her Instagram story after every time we lost and like, say that, like, people are so terrible to her and him, yada, yada, yada. I've. I've dealt with similar situations before.

[C]

For.

[D]

Haven't we all? I don't need you, Zoe Queen. I don't need you to doing this.

[A]

You're doing more harm than good.

[D]

Dylan Gabriel is bad at. At being an NFL quarterback. It's pretty clear.

[A]

And that's okay.

[D]

And that's okay. I'm sure he's a great guy.

[A]

And he's like, if you look at the population of the world, he's an outstanding quarterback.0.

[D]

1.01% of quarterbacks in the entire world, unfortunately, we need better to be a good football team. And I believe he did get in one snap on Sunday and had like an absolute hospital wall.

[A]

So one for one.

[D]

Right? Still.

[A]

But yeah, just big T. Are your.

[C]

Gears grinded right there?

[B]

No, it's. Although she did say yesterday too. It's two days in a row.

[D]

Sorry.

[B]

Or Monday.

[D]

Sorry. And so I.

[A]

She needs to understand that she is. She's making everything worse. Her fiance. It's. Fiance.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

She's making her fiance's co workers. Not like him.

[D]

Yeah. And there's been enough. Oh, yeah.

[C]

Let me ride for her real quick.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Which I'm not in the business of, but I had to deal with this.

Like via my mother for a long time.

[D]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. So she watched her baby get slandered online for years. Right. And she couldn't handle it, so she had to like, get involved. Right. So this was early. This was pre Internet days. My mother used to be on the balls message boards back in the day, arguing with motherfuckers with one tooth about her baby. Right.

And like, it's. I was told like, you, you have like It's. It's really hard. I couldn't imagine. Right. Like. Like, if my babies. Right. Like, so if any of my kids end up doing something in the public eye where criticism is, you know, a part of the job. I'm never looking at their name. I'm never watching sports that I'm never going online because it will piss me off to no end. Strangers talking about my babies.

[D]

And I'm sure she feels the same way about her fiance.

[C]

Yeah. So this message is to her, like, I understand her frustration for sure. Because, like, that's. That's you living. Love this person. And you have to. And especially if you. To that degree. If he's in the NFL, the scrutiny is so high and your life is kind of wrapped up in his. I'm assuming because he's the breadwinner. I'm just assuming.

That'S got to be tough because your life is kind of like, you know, this is your life.

[D]

His success directly correlates to, like, your success in a way.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Well, and. Yeah. Yeah. Monetarily and emotionally. Right. He's. If he's high, if he's winning and he's doing it, that you guys are vibing. If he's low, you gotta have to navigate that ship with him. And it's tough. So the best thing to do is to just ignore all of that. Don't get on it. Don't, don't. Don't get on social media. Don't do none of that shit and just be there for your person, whoever it is. It's a brother, it's a sister, it's a son. Just be there for your person in whatever way they need, because that shit ain't gonna help ever. You can't win. What my coach used to say. He said, they buy a barrel by the ink. You'll never win that battle.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Or they buy ink by the barrel.

[B]

You're not gonna win it.

[C]

But that's what it is. You don't have enough. You don't have enough capital letters to win them arguments. I promise.

[D]

Right. And she also posted a TikTok, I think, last weekend when we lost and captioned it. Browns lose again. What's new? Conveniently, when Shudder Sanders was playing and not your husband, who also provided us with. With multiple losses, and someone commented like crazy caption to put like, yada yada. And she was like, lol. If I don't laugh, we'll cry. And it's like, babe, you're like your fiance. It's not like we were eight. No, and then Shador came in, and now we've lost more games. We are bad.

Whether or not your husband is playing, your husband is definitely not helping that. That case. Her fiance. So, yeah, she's. She's currently in hot water in Cleveland Browns fandom, just through that. I think the best way to go about it is what Ann Michael May Drake May's wife is doing. Just bake. Just bake on the Internet. Just.

[A]

Just bake.

[D]

Just bake a sourdough. Sourdough loaf.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Put it on the Internet, people.

[C]

Sexist.

[A]

Maddie, just bake.

[D]

No.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Have a career. Do whatever you want.

[A]

Yeah, she can do laundry or.

[D]

No, sorry, that sounded so bad. She wants to be like, dinner too.

[C]

Be like Kristen back in the kitchen.

[A]

She can all. Oh, so she can. Yeah, she can shop.

[D]

No, she can. No, Kristen Ushak is a. So no, no, no.

[C]

Let's sew a bake instead of be like Taylor Swift.

[D]

Be a billionaire. I don't care. And Michael May is having a Lovely time on TikTok. She's a fitness instructor, too. She is a fitness instructor, too. She's teaching Pilates.

[A]

Okay, great.

[D]

I just don't need you to chime in on the intricacies of the organization through your TikTok captions. I don't need it. Do whatever you want. Also, his wife works at Sephora. She is making money. Good for her. I just don't need you to be commenting like that on.

TikTok. We have enough problems. As we just noted in the Browns quarterback room, we have a. A freako Shador Sanders and your. Your fiance who does not seem to be able to throw a ball more than 15 yards. We've got enough problems.

[C]

We don't clip. And both these dudes is the homies. Kendrick Perkins.

Who else was on. I know my man Dwayne Brown was on. It was some podcast and he said the funniest shit in the world. He said, Shador Sanders is the most important black man in America since Obama. And I was like, what the fuck is you talking about, man? Crazy. It is. It is kind of interesting to me how he has captivated the landscape like this.

[A]

It is. But I don't. I don't really understand it, though.

[C]

Me neither, because it's. It's usually American.

I guess Zeitgeist is very easy to understand if you look at through a historical context, but it doesn't check a lot of these boxes. And so I. I don't know, man. I don't know. But I. His. I think this the prowess of his father probably plays a big deal with it.

[D]

I think it's the Dion of it all.

[A]

Yeah. That, that, that has a lot to do that. I don't think he's that polarizing of a guy.

[D]

Chidor.

[C]

Not.

[D]

Yeah, no, he's pretty. Like, he's not saying crazy shit in like press conferences or anything. And.

[C]

He is and he ain't. And so he. He does enough to satiate both crowds. If you don't like him, he's going to say something that's going to embellish that. And if you do like him, he's gonna say something to embellish that in the same interview.

[A]

Yeah, he's kinda. And he says some things that you can interpret either way. Like a Rorschach test. Like, I see a butterfly. That's a dragon.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Cause a lot of people think he's like, arrogant and a lot of people think he's the next. The most important black man since Obama, so.

[A]

Which is an absolutely insane thing to say. Insane.

[C]

And Kendrick Parker, my dude. But dog, that is a huff worthy comment. What do you want?

[D]

I think it's also similar to the. The ball family where again, the sons said things that were maybe a little bit crazy sometimes, but it's really.

[A]

Not really.

[D]

But that's what I'm saying. Like it was Lavar.

[A]

The dad's. Yeah, the dad's the one that draws the attention.

[D]

Right. And then the sons just do what they can, you know, around that they.

[A]

Did retire as Jersey at Colorado. That was. That's probably the most polarizing thing that like Shador himself has been a part of.

[D]

I think Shador, the entity is far more controversial than Shador. The actual quarter.

[A]

Agreed.

[D]

The.

[B]

The most.

[A]

Most of the controversy around Shador is actually controversy about people talking about Shador.

[D]

Yeah. He's not really doing anything so crazy.

[A]

Yeah. He just kind of makes everybody insane.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's why I don't know him. Right. So I. I don't. I don't. I never met him. No. Dion. And that's why it's so funny, like, watching the interview, because he'll be like, man. He'll start it out with like, man, all glory to God. You know, I'm just so grateful for this opportunity. And then he'll be like, hey, this is only one week, though, baby. Imagine. Just imagine. So it's like you do them both, though.

[D]

But it's the same thing. Like, you've talked about it and like NFL, like NFL players have talked about for a long time. You have to have such confidence in yourself to perform at a level like that.

[C]

Yeah. And you, you gotta believe before anybody else.

[D]

Yeah. You have to believe in yourself so fundamentally deep down inside you that you are the. Like. He thinks he will turn around the browns.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

To be determined if that's the case. I have, I have an inkling it's not. But.

[C]

And that's. I don't, I don't mind arrogance. I think I like arrogance.

I think it's just, it's a slippery slope though because if you don't deliver.

[D]

Then it looks bad.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. Then. Then you get a mirror held to your face very quickly.

[A]

Fake it till you make it. Yeah. And if you don't make it, then it's. It can be tough to like your, your whole illusion of arrogance can be shattered violently if it's abundantly clear that you're. You're not what you say that you are.

[C]

And. And here's a spoiler alert for anybody who thinks their favorite athlete is humble. They are not. Your favorite athlete absolutely thinks he is the best thing that has ever touched that field or court. I promise you they have. Absolutely. Yes. You can't. To this day I'll argue with people about my skill set because that's all I had.

[B]

Like.

[C]

And I believe that shit though. Even if you like what's stero saying? You shoot amongst the moon, land amongst the star.

[D]

Oh, shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land amongst the stars.

[C]

Yeah. So if I, if I train my absolute best, I am emptying the tank on my talent and my skill set. But a part of that is your mental aptitude. How much can you believe in yourself? And you have to believe that shit. And so if I believe I'm the very best that has ever touched this field, then I'm going to land somewhere nice. Right. If I think I'm the best running back to ever live. And I, I'm. And I. And I train like it. I'm emptying the tank of my talent and I'm going to land somewhere pretty good. Perennial pro Bowler. That's a great career. But I believed I was best ever. All of them do. They all do. Tom Brady from. To Tom Brady, from fucking Drake May to whoever. They think they the best but that's why they there. And they should think that I want all my players thinking they the best. But work like it though.

[A]

All right Shador, you've got your marching orders.

[C]

Work.

[A]

Work like it.

[B]

I've been reading Aryan's mom's posts on vault Quest for the last 20 minutes.

[A]

Anything spicy?

[C]

She was on them. Nick's heads.

[B]

No, she was.

[C]

She just eloquent.

[B]

Yeah. But like, when. When people would talk shit, she just talks back to him. She still tweets during Tennessee football games.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I love it. I don't always agree with what she says, but I love that she's watching and tweeting about it.

[C]

Yeah, she's a. She's a. She's the mother of a. Of a football player, for sure. She loves. She loves her baby. And then. So she used to. Her favorite team when I was growing up was Florida State, and my tenure at Tennessee completely converted her. She didn't even give a shit about Florida State anymore. She's a balls fan right now. Yeah.

[A]

We got a couple ads to do real quick before we get to the ads, though. We do. This is our last show before the World cup draw. I believe that's on Friday.

Happening at the Kennedy Center. I believe Trump is taking part in it Again, I've said that I believe and hope that this will be the most rigged World cup draw of all time in favor of the United States.

I have a prediction for our draw.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And this is. I mean, it's going to be basically impossible to get it right, but I'm.

[B]

Going to try because I saw the pots the other day, but I didn't dig into it very far.

[C]

Far.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So there are.

[A]

There are four pots that they have, and they're rules. So the United States is going to be in the first pool of teams, the upper echelon. And then that means that we'll have to play against one team that's in the second echelon, one team that's in the third, one team that's in the fourth. And you can't have more than two European teams in the same group. And you can't have two teams from the same region outside of Europe. So you can't have like two African teams, but you can't have two European teams. That's the cutoff.

[B]

And had we been not. Had we not been the host, we probably would have been in the second group. Right.

[A]

We'd be in group two, I believe we're 14th in the. In the world.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So we already avoid the best opponent we would have played were we not the hosts.

[A]

That is true. We avoid the. The elite teams. So it's us, Mexico, Canada. We were all fortunate enough to get into that first group. So I think. Let's see, Canada is ranked 27th, Mexico is ranked 15th, US is ranked 14th. And there are 12 teams in that first pot. So.

Luckily for, for us, we. We would potentially avoid playing against teams like that. All right, so here's my official prediction.

I think it's going to be usa, Iran.

South Africa, New Zealand.

That's my call.

[B]

Are there any political implications of that or you just think they're giving us the easiest draw possible?

[A]

No real political implications with that. That would be a hell of a match between us and Iran right now.

[B]

Had that last time we did.

[A]

So we're ranked 14th. Iran would be our toughest opponent. They're ranked 20th in the world right now. South Africa is ranked 61st in the world and New Zealand is ranked 86th in the world. That would be a great draw for the United States. There's some other permutations that we can look at. I could see us playing against Saudi Arabia, I could see us playing against Qatar.

And I could see us also drawing one of the unnamed teams that has not made the World cup yet. So they still have qualifiers. Italy hasn't made the World cup yet.

[B]

No way. They missed two in a row. Right?

[A]

There's no way. There's no way. So in the UEFA groups, you've got Italy, Northern Ireland, Wales, Bosnia, Ukraine, Sweden, Poland, Albania, Turkey, Romania, Slovakia, Kosovo, Denmark, North Macedonia, Czech Republic, Ireland. That's UEFA A through. Did I say Italy?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, that's an playoff A. I could see us playing Kosovo too.

We'll see. But I'm very optimistic about what's going to happen on Friday.

[B]

Tomorrow. By the way, there's a pre sale for the Germany match. Are we going together?

[C]

Oh, yeah, we should.

[A]

Okay, let's do it. Before we get back to macrodosing, this podcast is brought to you by our great friends over at Sport Clips. Sport Clips is the best. Big T. You get your haircut at Sport Clips, right?

[B]

Yeah, I went on Monday, last Monday before going home for Thanksgiving.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, just. Just go over it.

[A]

Okay, we'll just go over. So they. This caller wanted to hear specific policies that we would implement if we were President of the United States. Is that more or less what you want?

[B]

Yeah, like you're a platform.

[A]

So what would be your platform if you took over the country? Who wants to go first on this?

[B]

Are you doing it too?

[A]

I've got a couple. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so I've got three. Because I think he said three.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, I did three.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Do we want to go one at a time or all at once?

[C]

No, same time. We're just three of us talking at the.

[B]

No, all three of one persons at once are back and forth.

[D]

I say go one per.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Kind of almost like a draft.

[A]

We'll go around.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Big T, you start.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Call it policy draft.

[B]

Which one of these do I want to do first?

[A]

Mad Dog McKenzie. Do you guys have any?

[D]

No. Okay, I think we. Mackenzie and I will act as Ken Bone in this situation.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. I'll do taxes first.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Okay. So. And by the way, a couple of these. The taxes isn't because that's a federal issue for the most part, but some of these are kind of state issues. But you're just gonna have to suspend disbelief and bit like we're. We. We can fix whatever we want. Okay. But taxes, obviously, that's mostly a federal thing. I want to implement a flat tax. Let's call it 20%. We would need to do some analysis on what would get us to. About neutral revenue. But let's say about 20. Increase the standard deduction rather significantly. Say maybe 25, 30 grand for an individual. So your first $30,000 is not taxed. After that, everything is taxed at 20%. This is also. This comes. Some of these ideas come from the Hall Rebushka tree of ideas of taxation, which is a flat tax proposal that only taxes consumption. So you are able to invest in retirement tax free, some other investments and things like that. But money that you are earning and not investing is taxed at a flat rate above whatever your standard deduction is. Close. Every other. There's no other deductions. There's no loopholes. This increases the tax base. More people will be paying taxes, which offsets some of the loss of your. Your percentage. Like, obviously the percentage for some people is going down.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Is that.

[A]

What. What about. What about businesses?

[B]

I started to dig into corporate tax rates, and there was a ton that I didn't.

This is. This is just individuals.

[A]

This is personal.

[B]

So we can talk about corporate tax rates, but I didn't get into that.

[A]

Essentially a flat tax at 20%.

[B]

The number can. I'm negotiable on the number, but about 20 is generally.

[A]

Okay. What if an individual has a lot of money that. But it's not liquid.

So if they. If they have like a shitload of stock in a company and the value.

[B]

Well, now you're talking about capital gains tax.

[A]

Yeah, the value, which is different. The value that went up.

[B]

This is income tax.

[A]

So this is strictly income taxes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. I don't really know too much about the criticisms of flat tax. I guess the criticism would be that somebody that makes $50,000 a year is paying the same percentage as somebody that makes $100 million a year.

[B]

Correct. Significantly less money. But also you increase the standard deduction.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So you're not even paying taxes on your first half or two thirds of your income.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then this widens the tax base to people who aren't currently paying taxes.

[A]

Okay, so if you made, let's say you made 50 grand a year first, 30,000.

[B]

Not whatever that number would be, but approximately. Yeah. 20, 30.

[A]

Okay, so then you're paying a 20% tax in that neighborhood on $20,000.

[B]

If you even don't, if you're not even investing any of that. Yeah. So it could even be less.

[A]

Okay, so that would be somewhere around $4,000.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

In taxes to the individual, that makes 50 grand.

[B]

Correct. And if you make a million dollars, you're paying 200 grand.

[A]

And if you make a million dollars a year, 200 grand. $100 million a year.

[B]

You're paying 20 million.

[A]

20 million a year. Okay, I, I don't really know that much about the. Have we tried to implement a flat tax like that in the past?

[B]

Not that I'm aware of.

[A]

What do you think, Aaron?

[C]

I think it's a horrible idea.

If, if I tax a. Somebody who makes $100 million, 20% and I tax that somebody makes $31,000 a year. 20%? You think that's fair?

[B]

Well, as I just said, if it was 31, you'd be paying $200 in taxes.

[C]

31% of.

[B]

Wait, 20%, I said your standard deduction. Let's call it 30 grand. So your first $30,000 of income is not taxed at all. If you make 25 grand a year, you pay zero with income taxes.

[C]

Let's say, let's say you make 60 grand a year. You think that is a fair.

Do you think it hits the same? 20% of my 60 is the same as 20% of my 100 million.

[B]

Well, what do you mean?

[C]

Like it. I'm g. I'm, I'm sacrificing more to the public good at, at making $60,000 a year than I am making a hundred. No, relatively. You absolutely are.

[B]

No, it's relatively the same, except it's far more in actual volume.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. Relative. I'm not feeling that at $100 million, at $60,000, I absolutely am. That changes what vacations I can go to. That changes. If I can go on vacation, that changes the groceries I could buy. That changes everything. At $100 million, if you get the tax, that's 20%. You ain't feeling none of that. It doesn't change your quality of life at all.

[B]

But. So if you're actually helps your quality of life, which is if you're paying 20% in income taxes, making 60 grand anyway, which is probably about what most people would be at your, your only argument is then we should tax people making a ton of money, a far larger percentage of their income so that they are now having to bear that burden as well. By the way, the.

[C]

So you look at tax as a. I forgot you have a libertarian viewpoint.

[B]

I don't like that.

[C]

So you. Well, that's what you used to say. I don't know what you say anymore.

You look at tax. Do you still think taxation is theft?

[B]

Yes and no.

[C]

Give me the no part.

[B]

I think there is a, there is far more we can do to mitigate it to where the things that people want are taken care of. But the government is not a money making venture. I think we can do a lot more to have more Americans keep more of their money without sacrificing like the necessities of why there is income taxes.

[C]

So why, why, why are you opposed to taxing the rich at a higher rate?

[B]

Well, they already pay the overwhelming majority of the income taxes in the country. The top 1% pays like 40% of the income tax. The percent pays like 95.

[C]

So you're.

[B]

So they're already paying all the taxes. The, the like fair share argument is nonsensical. If it was a fair share, they'd be paying less.

[C]

How, how do you, how's that logic?

[B]

Because like I just said, the top 1% of earners pay 40% of the income taxes.

[C]

Yeah, but they make the majority and.

[B]

That'S why they're paying more money.

[C]

But that's, that's, that's literally the argument for why they should be taxed at a higher rate. Because they, if, if, if they. In what? I guess I, I should ask this. In what world is.

A, a gap, a wealth gap, a positive for society? Like a huge wealth gap like you. Do you think that's a benefit for society or, or.

[B]

I don't think it's inherently positive or negative. It depends what else is going on.

[C]

You don't, you don't think that having the majority of Americans one emergency away from.

Life altering debt.

[B]

No, I think that's terrible. I think this helps with that.

[C]

What evidence do you have that that helps with that?

[B]

What's the standard deduction right now? Like 10 or 15 grand?

[A]

Let's see. I actually don't know.

[B]

I think it's like 12. It's somewhere in there. So you're doubling that or more if you make $40,000 a year. In this proposal, you're paying $2,000 in taxes.

[A]

Standard for a single person is 15 7. For married, filing jointly, it's $31,500.

[B]

Okay, so let's say you double both of those. So for an individual it's $30,000. For a married couple it's 60.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You're paying, most Americans would pay less in taxes. You would widen the tax base so that more people are paying taxes to recoup some of that revenue to keep it about what you're at now, revenue wise.

[A]

I think one of the problems is the super wealthy people, they don't, they don't like take a salary. They don't, they don't have like income might not even be the best way to put it. They have assets that appreciate and then they take lines of credit out against those assets that they have. So they're borrowing money from a bank at a very low rate based on the amount of assets that they own, using those as collateral.

[B]

Well, so that's capital gains and that's something else to be figured out. Yeah, which I do understand, but this is talking about federal income tax.

[A]

Okay, all right, well that's, that's policy number one.

[C]

Last, last little point on that last little point there. Like, and I understand that there's different opinions on it just like economically.

Through economists. Right. But one of the studies that I read it, it looked at.

I'm sorry, trickle down economics from 1965 to like 2015.

It was a meta analysis and they found that that notion of, and so like this is a very.

The notion of trickle down economics is very pervasive and conservative ideology. But that, so like me being against it is not just some like.

Knee jerk reaction just to be in opposition. It's like the, the studies that I've actually read into this. I don't, I don't. And if anybody listening to this, send me the studies that you have and if you big T, if you have one, send me studies that you have that looks at long meta analysis of trickle down economics and how it is beneficial. I haven't seen, I haven't seen it. And it's why the wealth gap from the 60s and 70s has increased like 3,000% is because when, because we live in a regressive tax like this is time after time again, America has stripped away.

Taxes for the wealthy and the corporate and corporations.

And the wealth gap is only continued to increase.

[B]

I don't, I don't necessarily agree that this is a trickle down effect. I think trickle down would be, trickle down would be lowering like corporate tax rates significantly and things and then counting on that money to make Its way down. This is lowering taxes for the entire tax base, for the most part, which would.

[C]

That. That's what a flat tax is, not.

How a flat tax is not. Because. Because you're, you're, you're. You're cutting taxes for the wealthy.

You know how math works. So the higher you get in wealth, the like, the least, the less it's going to affect you.

[B]

Sure. But you're also lowering taxes for the people. If you make $30,000, you pay no taxes. How is that not better than, I don't know what the percentage of tax you'd Pay now on 30 grand, but 10, 15%, probably.

[A]

That sounds about right.

[C]

Yeah. And so you're.

I mean, I would have to mull over the actual numbers.

[B]

More people would keep more of their own money now, yes, rich people would keep more of their own money, but they would still be paying significantly more than everyone else.

[C]

Mathematically. How. How much?

I would have to look at the actual numbers. It's like, because we. There's still, like, programs we have to pay for federally, locally, things like that, all of that matters. I don't know how much of the pool you take from that. I don't. I don't know. I would have to look at that, but.

I'm not in favor of flat tags, roughly.

[A]

All right, Aryan, you're up.

[C]

I'm running a very simple platform. I'm running on Medicare for all. Okay. I think that in the richest country in the world, we have a fiscal and moral obligation to take care of our constituents.

And the first question I always asked is, like, how are you going to pay for it.

In America? It's the only question we ask is, how are you going to pay for it? Is when we helping people, anytime. It's when we bombing people, nobody ever asks how we going to pay for it. Anytime it's anything to expand power or take away power or strip. Right. Nobody ever asks how you going to pay for it?

But.

I propose. It's also in my second thing, my second point, so they kind of go with each other, is I propose cutting 10 to 15% of the military budget. We spend over almost a trillion dollars.

In military expenses. And I would argue, and I think it's the. What is it? The. The Pentagon hasn't passed a.

What is it called?

[A]

Audit.

[C]

An audit, yeah. And so for all the things that Doge should have done is to look at that and to see why we can't never pass an audit, and where does all this money go? And if you want to clean up Government efficiency. I say we start there. And instead of setting up useless military bases over 100 countries around the world, if we cut it by 10 to 50%, we still blow the closest country out of the water in military spending. And so it's not about safety.

And I think that would add billions and maybe even trillions to.

Universal daycare, which can go into healthcare, mental health care facilities.

Insulin, shit like that. People that actually struggle with. So I, I, I'll run it on one thing. Health care for the people of United States of America.

[A]

I think that's a good idea. I think there's a ton of money that we spend on defense that you could, you could cut back on. So, so much money. What's the percentage that, of our budget that goes to defense?

It's like Social Security and defense are the, are the, the biggest expenditures that we have. Yeah, but this, I'm gonna sound like a 1313. I'm gonna sound like a hippie right now. Ready for this? What if we just. Man, nukes should be legal.

Just get rid of all the nukes.

[B]

Who makes that call?

[A]

Just get it. We all do. As people. We get. Yeah. I want everybody to get high, smoke a joint.

[B]

Well, so now you're into a game theory.

[A]

Everyone smokes a joint. And then I could convince everyone, dude, just chill out. That will be game theory with the nukes. There is a lot of game theory involved. Yeah.

[B]

Because if, if everyone gets rid of the nukes, it's in your best interest to get rid of the nukes. But if one person keeps it, then it is in your best interest to not.

[C]

Therefore, it is my second amendment right to have a nuke.

[A]

That is true.

[B]

That's accurate.

[A]

Now, you also would run into a situation where you.

Are getting rid of the nukes. And then some people be like, actually, the world's safer because of nuclear weapons.

Because they've prevented wars.

[B]

Argument to be had.

[A]

If there's a war between two countries that are nuclear capable, they will come to their senses.

[B]

Hey, it only took one.

[A]

It took two or two. Yeah, two.

[C]

But then, hey, bft, how do you stop a bad guy with a nuke.

[A]

Good guy with one, great guy with a nuke.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

But what about the aliens? It feels like the aliens have been telling us for the last 50 years, like, chill out with the nukes. They always show up around the facilities, they monitor all the weapons that we have. They, they've deactivated some of the nukes that we have. Feel like the aliens are telling us, like, you cannot you cannot use nukes. I say we listen to the aliens. Disarm.

[C]

I'm waging. I'm anti war, so that's also my platform, actually. Pull out of all foreign conflicts, especially.

The ones that were aiding passive, passive war.

[A]

The, the nukes. One was just off the top of my head, but I will include that as a bonus plank of my policy. Mine are maybe a little less serious than yours, but I actually do believe in this one.

Mandatory open gyms across the United States. And what I mean by that is every town of a thousand people or more gets a gym. They've got nice rims, full court, a pool, weight room.

Probably some racquetball courts, maybe a couple pickleball courts outside, tennis courts, baseball fields, football uprights, like a 50 yard football field.

Like gaming room where you got some beanbags, got some PS5s, big screen TVs.

And it's free to use for anybody under the age 18 and under go in.

[B]

So I can't go play basketball. I was on board with you.

[A]

Well, okay, so we, we can talk about that because that's the expansion pack that I have as well.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

These facilities there, there will be one that's more engineered towards children 18 and under and then one that's for 18 and up. And at the 18 and up one, it would be like a gym that you would pay a membership for. It'd be a very reasonable price. I'm talking maybe like, I don't know, 20 bucks a month, something like that. But it's run using government money to subsidize the gym. So the, the monthly payments that goes to, you know, paying the people that work there, some of the upkeep. But when it comes to like maintaining the gym, upgrading the gym, all that stuff, that is from the federal government budget.

[B]

Now I don't want to. This is a great idea you have.

[A]

And there's like on, on Saturdays and Sundays you've got. That's. Those are game days. So like there's sports leagues that would then play at this gym.

[B]

You are describing local parks departments.

[A]

I am, but I'm. These exist, but I'm saying something that's federally funded.

[B]

Okay, so you just want the big fella in charge.

[A]

I want, I want the money from the federal government to help make these, make these gyms great again.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Because I'm on board with having good basketball courts across America that are pristine.

[A]

Well, here's the thing is like yeah, local parks departments do this, but one of the first things that get cut when it comes to Local budgets is parks.

Parks and rec. That's. That's looked at as like a. A leisure activity, like a nice to have in. In my vision for America. And it's most important for 18 and under because if you have nice gyms, places to hang out, and I. I feel like that's good for everyone's mental health. It's good for the community. It gives you something to do, a place to go.

[B]

Kids aren't hanging out in the Sonic parking lot looking for mischief.

[A]

Exactly, Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[B]

See, in Mount Juliet, the Sonic parking lot's right next to the park, so it's actually a nice little twofer.

[A]

Oh, so you get. Those are the bad kids over there.

[B]

Well, you. Yeah. So you would go play basketball at Charlie Daniels park and they'd go right across. Go to Sonic.

[A]

I love that. Yeah, that. That's small town America. As right there.

[B]

Charlie Daniels Park 2. Rest in peace.

[A]

Yep. All right. So that's. That's my first plank is. Is mandatory open gyms across America.

[B]

Are the others of yours similar in. In tone? I feel like you should probably just rip through.

[A]

Okay, I'll just rip. Rip through mine, because mine are serious then. Listen, I am. I am not a. A militant bicycle activist. I rarely. I don't own a bike. I used to ride a city bike around New York sometimes. If I was trying to get somewhere that was close. It was way more convenient than getting a cab or walking or the subway sometimes. And I'm also not a bicyclist hater. I know that there's a lot of bicyclists haters out there that get annoyed with bicyclists for sharing the roads. A lot of times they do not obey the same traffic laws. I understand that. Elevated bike lanes.

[B]

I love this elevated. I actually should have included this.

[A]

Elevated bike lanes, slash pedestrian lanes, sidewalks, but primarily elevated bike lanes. In every city, you know, we'll say every town above 10,000 population, you have elevated bike lanes to get around if you want to bike. I love that for you. That's great way to stay healthy. It's better for the environment. You get better exercise, going to work, going home. If you want to commute on a bike. If you want to get around town on a bike, I think that that should be something that should be safe and it's something that should be encouraged, but also it should not be something that makes driving in that city more complicated and dangerous.

[B]

You don't even need to elevate them, just wall them off somehow. Just have dividers. That's all I need.

[A]

But then you're making right turns and.

[B]

Well, yeah, obviously when it crosses in the middle of the road, you leave that. But when it's just on the side, like, sometimes they'll have the dividers or whatever. Just put those up everywhere.

[A]

That's. That's why I think elevated bike lanes is the way to go.

[C]

You can.

[A]

Don't have to worry about cars if you're a bicyclist, obviously, that's something that's very dangerous. If you get hit by a car, if someone's texting, they hit a bicyclist, it's not going to end up good. And if you're a car driver, you probably get annoyed with bicyclists a fair amount for not obeying the same rules. For sometimes they don't look where they're going or they'll swerve, and then they put you in a position where you're about to hit somebody. Elevated bike lanes across America. I yield. My time.

[B]

Was that your third?

[A]

That was my third. And no nukes.

[B]

I'm on board with the bikes and basketball courts.

[A]

Okay, there we go.

[B]

So. So I have a healthcare one in response to Arian. And Arian, I think it's important to remember you and I are after the same goal. This is us against the problem, not me against you.

[C]

All right, I'm open to listening.

[B]

Okay, first one is price transparency. Hospitals have to tell you what things cost.

Prices don't exist. They just make them up. There has to be. If I walk into a store, I want to buy a banana, it cost a dollar or whatever, you have to tell me a price. And the insurance companies have to tell you their negotiated price as well.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Now with the hospitals, when. When things are super expensive, that's because they. That's what they charge the insurance company.

[B]

Correct. Because they're making it up. If you walk into a hospital and say, I need a CAT scan, what does that cost? They'll look at you like you're crazy or I don't know.

[A]

Okay, so how would you go about determining what a CAT scan cost?

[B]

That's. That's up to them.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You can. It can cost whatever you want. And then presumably, if you make it cost something outrageous, you'll go to a different hospital.

[C]

Okay, this is where.

I just fundamentally disagree.

[B]

All right, let me just keep going. That was just. That was just one pillar. Insurance companies can negotiate across state lines. That feels very reasonable to me. I don't know why that. States have different regulations I'm generally against introducing more federal regulations, but let's have one. It feels reasonable to me that the United States would have one authority over what insurance companies can and can't do. So you're not messing with different state regulations. This one's more lax than whatever. We have a federal standard of what the insurance companies can do. And you can negotiate with whatever insurance company you want. If you live in Wyoming and your only option is Aetna or whatever that's. And now you have eight other insurance companies that you can negotiate with. That's going to be far better for you. So you can negotiate across state lines and then eliminate Health Savings Accounts contribution limits for people making under. I don't know what the number is. You'd have to look into that. But say 50, 60 grand. I don't know what it is. But you can contribute an unlimited amount to a Health Savings Account. If you make under that over that, you increase the limits because those are. I actually very recently learned about Health Savings Accounts. They're awesome. Everyone should use one.

[A]

Tell the people why.

[B]

It's basically, it's like a Roth account for health expenses. And then if you don't use it, you can take it out and it's like you had it in a. Like an ira. It's great stuff. We should increase the limits for it. I'm not. The limits. I don't want to say the number because I don't know. But it's not very big. Increase it for everyone. Make it unlimited for people making under a certain threshold. That would help tremendously. And then open up the insurance marketplace to where it's actually a free market, not a. Whatever we've got now. I don't even know what you'd call it. And. And then make their be. Make them tell you what stuff costs.

[A]

Okay. When it comes to. Just back to the HSA real quick because I've never used one at the end of the year or what do I do? Like, if I go to a doctor. The doctor visit. I have a $30 copay to go to the doctor. How do I use my Health Savings Account to pay for that?

[B]

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure because I only really found out about it a couple months ago when we were doing our new. Our new enrollment stuff. And it's. It's a good thing. You should use it.

[A]

Mad Dog McKenzie. You guys know how to use it.

[D]

I think give you like a credit card for it. So, like. And there's a lot of things, like my dad was telling me if you don't use it or if you like forget to use it, you can literally just type in Amazon like eligible HHSA products. And like there's so many things you can like toothpaste. Yes, like stuff like that. Or like I wear contacts so like I can buy my contacts with that money. Like any medicines or stuff.

[A]

I think kind of embarrassing that I'm 40 years old and so have never used an HSA.

[D]

I think it just depends on like, I don't know, I think some lifestyle.

[B]

Some insurance, like some plans don't have it. But yeah, you and or your employer put money into the HSA. Annual contribution limits are set by the IRS. Around $4,000 for individuals and 8,000 for families. Contributions can be pre tax through payroll tax deductible if made on your own and tax free if made by your employer. Unused funds roll over every year. They do not expire.

[D]

Okay, I just opened my first or like I just enrolled in my first HSA this year because it was. We switched providers or whatever and we had to do active enrollment and I was told to get an hsa. I don't even know how to really like access that money. That'll be later down the line though. I think they give you like a credit card or like a gift card.

[B]

Yeah, we haven't switched over till January.

[D]

Oh right, that's so true.

[A]

So, so big T when it comes to the health insurance companies and the transparent pricing and things like that. I feel like health insurance companies have colluded amongst each other. Like the spirit of competition is not.

Really as applicable when it comes to insurance as it is in other fields.

[B]

Well, they're also operating in what's not a true market because like I said, there are states where there's only two insurance companies. Some one sometimes.

[A]

But if you. There's not a lot of people starting like a mom and pop insurance place.

[B]

No, but again they're so it's not.

[A]

Really true competition like you would have, you would say a grocery store, you know, it's, that's, that's one facet of American business. That's a true competitive marketplace. If you don't like the grocery store, you want to start your own. You have a small amount of seed money or a fairly large amount amount, but you want to go out, buy products they don't have and then sell them at your store. Or you think hey I can, I can get meat for cheaper, I can open my own store.

[B]

You can't really open and oligopoly to a lesser extent but these companies aren't. It will be more of a marketplace than it is.

[A]

I think that the insurance companies are the ones that are primarily to blame for the cost of health care, not the hospitals just making up prices.

[B]

I don't think it's one or the other.

[A]

I would put most of the blame on the insurance companies for that also.

[B]

I don't know how you would do this through law, but you walk into a pharmacy and they're like, this is $8. And then you plop down your insurance card and it's 25. That's illegal now, too. I don't know how to do that. But you. You get the lowest price of whatever the thing is. Like there are things that are more expensive with insurance than without.

[A]

Everything costs. What it costs.

[C]

Do you do.

[B]

Are you.

[C]

Do you think monopolies are good, like in a marketplace?

[B]

No, not. Not usually.

[C]

So.

Do you think that monopolies are inevitable in a free market?

[B]

Sometimes depends.

[C]

So in your healthcare plan, it would directly reflect what is already a product of capitalism, which is.

Monopolies. How do you stop a monopoly other than like regulation, in which you would say it's not a free market?

[B]

Why do you say it's inevitable that there would be a monopoly?

[C]

It's the same reason why, if you start a drink company, Coca Cola is eventually going to buy you out. You don't have the resources to compete with that at a certain.

[B]

I'm not saying there's going to be a ton of, like, local insurance companies that pop up, but this would force the ones that exist to negotiate more fairly than they do now, because they sometimes exist in markets where there's no competition and they don't have to.

[C]

Well, this is, this is why the whole.

A lot of, like, conservative ideology is just contradictive in nature to me. If, if we are to believe that you are pro life, which I'm fine with. Right. I think that I'm pro choice, but I feel like it's a very nuanced and complex conversation. Like, it's a. It's. It's not just black and white. It's. It is. It is. There is an argument to be had on both sides that I think are valid. I follow them. Pro choice for obvious reasons. But if you are pro life.

Why does it stop after the life is born? It seems to me as if you would do everything in your power to.

Make healthcare as free as possible because that extends life.

[B]

Well, firstly, I disagree with the beginning of your premise, but if I thought that it stops whatever. But to Your point? If I thought that what you were proposing would be cheaper for Americans, I'd be all on board for it.

[C]

But that's what I'm saying. So, like, imagine.

Imagine you, but you.

[B]

Keep saying it's free. You know, it's not free. People are paying for it.

[C]

Imagine you imagine you get to talk to Jesus right at the end of your life, you sitting at the pearly gates. And he'd be like, well, why weren't, just out of curiosity, how come you weren't for.

People getting healthcare for free? And your response was, because it was. Because it's, because it's not cheap. Like, do you think that is a, like a morally.

Good thing that he would agree with?

[B]

I do not.

Accept that Medicare for all is necessary for my salvation.

[C]

I'm not saying it is. I'm saying if, if I, if we could, if we were to believe that.

A Christian conservative is.

Carrying the ideals of Jesus. Because I like Jesus, right? I, I, I think, I think, I think he was a great character.

No disrespect. I mean that with all respect. I actually do. I grew up loving Jesus, right. As a Muslim. And, and I think that.

We allow our marketplace to corrode what I feel like he exuded, which is to help the poor. But, like, if you were to tell me Christian conservative ideology is for the poor, I would be very confused as that statement.

[B]

Well, to be clear, the poor are like, they have Medicaid now.

We're not.

[C]

If, if, if, if I have to choose between like an insulin payment and food, I'm going to choose food. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, I'm saying it should be free and we should, we should fight for that.

[B]

But what is that? So you in, in your proposal, are like our taxes going up. Where is that coming? If, if there's that.

[C]

That was my main point, was when, where is it coming from?

[B]

But that has to be, that has to be a factor.

[C]

It doesn't.

[B]

Because let me tell you why. Let me just, let me real quick, real quick.

[C]

We bowed out the banks in 2008.

[B]

Yeah, nobody's for that. Nobody's in favor of that. But I'm saying if it's coming at a bot.

[C]

When we send bombs to Israel, nobody asks where is it coming from?

[B]

But nobody, everyone's against that. Nobody likes that either. What I'm saying is if it's coming at a greater cost to people than like what we've, than what we've already got or what we could potentially shift to, like, how is that? You're getting it for free in quotation marks. You're paying more for it elsewhere. I'm not opposed to your. I'm not opposed to your idea because you, you presented it. I'm opposed to it because I haven't seen any evidence that it would actually be cheaper for people. I think it would be more expensive.

[C]

We have plenty of examples, like in.

[B]

Nordic countries where there's 3 million people.

[C]

Yeah. Our GDP is higher, we produce more, so we. That will level out relatively.

[B]

I have yet to see that be. Every time this is proposed, it's like, well, yeah, there will be taxes.

[C]

I think you have to look at it. I'm being dead.

[B]

I would like to sit down with you. And we will look at it. Because every time I've heard this proposed from politicians, it's like, well, yeah, obviously there will be tax increase increases on.

[C]

They don't want to.

[B]

Such and such people.

[C]

They don't want to tax you. They want to tax the people that you're protecting. In your first point plan, when you want to give billionaires a flat rate of 20%, that's who they want to tax.

And you're dubious of that?

[B]

I'm dubious of that.

[C]

Dubious meaning against?

[B]

No.

[C]

Skeptical of taxing billionaires?

[B]

No, that. That's. That's all it would be.

[C]

Bernie ran on this.

[B]

I'll need to look into. I'm pretty sure Bernie's proposal was taxing people who made, like, more than a hundred grand.

[C]

No, it was. I think it was 250. Correct me if I'm wrong, it might have been even 400. I think it was 450. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[A]

I think it was tax plan. It is wild to go back and think that in 1950 we were taxing anyone who made. I think the equivalent is like $4 million a year. If you made more than $4 million a year, every dollar you made over that was taxed at 90%, 90% marginal tax rate.

[B]

But to be clear, when income taxes were introduced, it was 1% for everyone, right? Only until the war was over.

[A]

So if, if you made $5 million a year, you would pay like the standard rate on 4 million. So that would be what, like, I'm guessing 30%, something like that. And then the million dollars that you made over the 4 million, if you made 5 a year, then $900,000 would be taken out in taxes. So you would go home with 4.1 million or whatever, minus the 30%. You just make that $100,000 and I'm not an economist.

[C]

This is just the little research that I've done. But I, I can speak for a millionaire that at a certain point you're greedy. Period. Like. And, and, and it is one of the most fascinating things in the world to see people who are not millionaires advocate for millionaires that they will never be. It is absolutely fascinating to me that people would be like, well, they create jobs and blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, dog. There's a certain point where you. You're just not going to be happy if you don't have. If you're not happy with what you have.

[A]

I would. I would say that I don't know too many billionaires. I'm trying to think if I know any billionaires.

[B]

Just real quick. Bernie Sanders tax plan would raise average federal tax rates by about a third for the highest income, 20% in America, which is those making 170,000 or more. Okay, so it's not billionaires.

[A]

No. I'm just.

[C]

What is. What is the numbers? What are the actual numbers?

[B]

That's just. They would raise average federal tax rates by about one third for the highest income, 20%, those making about 170,000 or more from 24 to 32%.

[C]

Is that from him? From him.

[B]

This is from the Tax Policy Center.

[C]

Where, where's, where's his. I want to see what he says.

[B]

So there's bernietax.com, which I don't know if is run by him or not. And it just has a thing where you can, like put in what you would make and then what your healthcare costs are. Tax Policy center.

Is run by the Brookings Institution. Seems like a pretty reputable deal.

[C]

Brookings is a low libertarian, I think. Aren't they? But it don't matter.

[B]

I'm not sure.

[C]

I. I just want to. I just want.

[B]

But again, it's not. It's not billionaires. It's.

[C]

It's. It's still. It's still a 1%, 20%.

[B]

It's the top.

[C]

I want to see his numbers, but I'm not Bernie Sanders. I'm not Bernie Sanders. I want to see his numbers, but I'm not Bernie Sanders. But what I'm saying is.

[B]

And that's high in the sky, like this is going to work perfectly.

[C]

There's no such thing as working perfectly.

[B]

I understand. That's why I'm saying that. It's. It's. But odds are it's not gonna be as good as possible.

[C]

I find it abhorrent in a world that we are the richest country in the world, that if the average American has a medical emergency, they go into debt for the rest of their life. I find that I do too.

[B]

Nobody likes that.

[C]

I don't think.

I think you don't like it in theory, but when it actually comes down to act. Because that's what it means. If we living in a community and my day is ruined because I have to help out my neighbor, my day isn't ruined. I have to help out my neighbor. To me, that is the very essence of who Jesus was.

And every time I hear people arguing against this, it's like, well, who's gonna pay for it?

[B]

Fucking you.

[C]

Fucking me, bro. I would love to pay more if I know that I'm gonna save somebody's kid's life for cancer treatments, for insulin. This is what it boils down to. People are actually dying from this shit, and then people are going into debt because of it. And I'm just like, yeah, fuck it, let's pay for it.

[B]

I don't understand.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You. You would acknowledge we kind of do that now for the people who need it.

[C]

No, we don't.

[B]

Sure we do.

[C]

I don't. I don't know that. There's an article I don't know that is. But people at an alarming rate do not even go to the hospital because they. They can't pay for it.

[A]

And then you can go bankrupt. If you get into an accident and then that up your credit, then that fucks up the rest of your life. Like moving or making a purchase.

[C]

It's a spiral. And that's what killed me about.

About the rhetoric from, like, Medicare for all and people who are against it. It's like.

A lot. I'm not saying you do. I'm saying what I hear from a lot of people. People think that. It's just the notion is it's.

It's almost like I want to take from people. No, that's not the premise of it. The premise is I want to help human beings survive. And you'll probably hear that because so do I. But. The but is not important to me. The but is a moral issue to me. To me. I know it's not for everybody, but for me, my whole ideology rests on the I want to feed people, I want to house people, I want people to eat food.

[B]

I think you're attributing to me a position I don't hold. But I also. Also.

Does anyone think the government if put in charge of. By the way, the government is tremendously involved in the health Care market already, which is part of the reason it sucks. If we hand everything over to the government, you think it's going to be run like, well and efficiently.

[A]

Not health care, health insurance.

[B]

Okay. You think that's going to be run efficiently?

[A]

I think that there's.

[B]

And by the way, if you control the entire insurance market, you control health care, you.

[A]

You would have significant leverage when it comes to certain aspects of health care. I think that there are.

Countless examples across the world of countries that do this. They have their flaws.

[B]

I'm not saying there are many examples of people who hate that live there, that hate those systems.

[A]

Guess what? Everybody hates their health care. Everyone does. Everyone is annoyed by certain aspects of it. Nobody is like, oh, this is awesome. Everything's perfect with my insurance company. Everything's perfect. I have, with my system, with health.

[C]

My health care, because I'm a wealthy man in America, I have no issues with it. But if I was a poor man in America, I would have issues with my health care. And I'm. I'm saying if I was to start a country from scrap, this would be my number one priority, health care. But what is tagged along with healthcare, it's education, it's nutrition. So for things like, people always say, well, your health is your problem. I hear that a lot from the right. Right. But they're also against giving kids school lunches for free. Healthy school lunches, healthy food in schools. People are against that too. Well, who's going to pay for it? What are we, what are we working for in this life if it's not to help people? Coming from an atheist, that's, that's all. Like, that's. My entire life is. Is. Is revolved around that. My entire ideology, excuse me, is revolved around how can I. How can we help people the best? And it seems like the opposition is not for that. Y' all are like, how can, how can I help you help yourself?

[B]

Remember me and you against the problem. Not you against me. You're. You're, you're putting me in a position I don't have. The whole reason I said your positions. No, the whole reason I said my position is not you want to help people. I do not. That is not my position.

[C]

It sounds like it.

[B]

It's not. I said the whole reason I am against what you are proposing is because I think it will harm the people you are trying to help more than you say it will. Do you? Do you. There are unintended consequences of everything.

And I don't think. I think you just. You keep Using the word free like it's going to be free. I don't think for the majority of people it's going to end up being free. I think it's going to cost way more.

If it can be proven that that's not true, I'm willing to reconsider.

[C]

So you. Before Medicare for all, if we could.

[B]

Pay for it, who is we?

Not if it's the, the 40% of taxpayers paying 30% more in taxes.

[C]

So, so you're against helping people if it is at a cost to you.

[B]

To them, to everyone.

[C]

I'm not talking to you specifically. I'm talking. I'm talking to Big T. Me.

[B]

What does that mean?

[C]

If, if they say, if somebody comes to you and say, big T, we're going to take 10 out of your check, and if, and, and we are going to be able to fund everyone to have free health care, you, you'd say no.

[B]

What does that mean? This is 10. So you're taking 10 additional percent from me? Yes, that, that's what. And, but you're doing that for everyone is what you're saying.

[C]

Everybody.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's costing more than what your health care costs now.

[C]

But you're making sure everybody can have free health care. Again, if I'm having a heart attack, I don't have to. And I get shuttled to the hospital from an ambulance. It's not a $3,000 bill, $4,000 bill, $5,000 bill, that shit free for people. So that they don't, they're not scared of calling the ambulance. If they feel something in their chest, they're not scared because it's free. I'm saying if I have to. And this is magic. I mean, this is not, this is, I mean, this is not magic. This is a.

Hypothetical situation. I'm just, I'm getting down to the ideology of it. If it's, if it's, if it's costing you a certain part of your, your money, you're not willing to help people. I'm just trying to get that.

[B]

No, your phrasing is, is false. You're, you're, I don't think you like.

[C]

The phrasing, but those are the consequences of your, your beliefs.

[B]

No, because if everyone is paying an additional 10% of their income for, for this costing you more, make up a number. But I think that's actually a good, a good premise from you is that, yes, you're going to have another 10% of your income gone to pay for this free health care.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And I think there are ways to make the system better that do not necessitate that and would not take more of people's money.

[C]

I agree that you believe there's a better system. I understand that you feel that way. That's not what I'm trying to get to. I'm talking about the baseline feeling of it. Are you okay with having less of your income if more people can get health care?

[B]

I want to maximize my income in every way possible. I do not want the government in any circumstance.

[C]

Okay, let's say this is a hypothetical. Pixie dust across the United States of America. We found a way to take 10% out of your check, but every single human being has free health care. Are you for or against that?

[B]

It's not free.

[C]

Clearly, we're paying for it.

[A]

Hey, rolls are free.

[C]

Fire department and free.

[B]

I am for free health care. If it is free, I am for it.

[C]

There's no such thing as free.

[B]

So now it's not free.

[C]

There's no such thing as free.

[B]

You just told me it was free.

[C]

When I say. When I say free, I'm saying for the people that cannot afford it, for.

[B]

People who can't afford it, it's already free.

[C]

It is not.

[B]

How many. How many millions of people do we have on Medicare and Medicaid because they can't afford it?

[C]

There's out of pocket expenses. There's. There's. There's different loopholes that this don't. This is not.

[B]

Well, you told me it was free.

[C]

I think that's what you.

[B]

I think that you should think.

[C]

You think that people. If you.

[A]

If you.

[C]

If you pour, you could just go get help.

[B]

No, I am totally. I am totally aware that there are people who have a medical emergency and it's crippling, and that's terrible. And I think we should fix it. I don't think your solution fixes it.

[C]

I'm not asking. We're clearly not going to solve a health care debate on a Barstow podcast.

[B]

Agreed.

[C]

What I'm asking and what I think and why you won't answer this question is because your belief systems about healthcare do not match your spiritual belief systems.

[B]

No, I've answered your question. You're saying If I take 10% of your income, then it's free. Well, that doesn't make any sense.

[C]

No, I said if I take 10% of your income and we figure out a way to take that income to give everybody free health care, are you full or. And you're hung up on that in.

[B]

Your hypothetical, am I funding the health care of all of America. Is everyone losing 10% of their income?

[C]

Everybody's losing 10% of their income.

[B]

As I've said. I think that's probably going to cost more people than the system we have now.

That's why. But do you understand what I'm saying? You're. You're framing it.

[C]

It's a hypothetical. It is not real. I have not. I haven't gone nowhere near actually running the numbers about healthcare. I, it would take me a. A year to go through all of that. That. This is a hypothetical.

[B]

I understand. The hypothetical answer is that if everyone is losing 10% of their income, that's going to cost more than health care costs now.

[C]

No, it's not. If I have a, If I have a brain tumor, it's not going to cost me 10% of my income to fix that. It's going to cost me well over.

[B]

Okay, what percentage of people have a brain tumor?

[C]

Who gives a.

[B]

When you're talking about the, the number of people that are.

[C]

If.

[B]

Okay, if.350.

[C]

Cancer treatments with chemo, broken arms, X rays.

Bacterial diseases. There's a litany of issues that Americans go through that they cannot afford. That's why it's a hypothetical. And the reason why you won't answer is because you're going to have to say, no, I want my money. I don't give a fuck about people.

[B]

No, I've answered it. Your, Your framing is false.

[C]

It's a hypothetical. Hypotheticals are not made to.

Actually address topics. They're, they're, they're.

[B]

Well, then it's dumb.

[C]

Meant to know. They're not. They're meant to. They're meant as thought experiments.

[B]

If I said Aryan right now, If I said right now, you could be homeless, living on the street, you have no family, nothing. But everyone has health care, would you do it?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. I think that's dumb.

[C]

I actually care about.

[B]

But, but you just want to be able to. Yeah, that's exactly it. You want to say, I am a good person. Tm. I care about people.

[C]

I. And see, that's, That's. I think the, the interesting part of the healthcare debate is when it comes down to it, that's. That's why you won't answer the question. I answered it because you're. I think you're only willing, and this is a broad statement. People, People are. I think in general, you're only willing to stand on what you stand for until it comes. Until, until your money has to be involved with it. And I think when it comes to actually Having to put your money where your mouth is. I think the majority of people don't give a fuck about people. I don't think you care.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I just don't.

[A]

All right, let's get to Erin. Your next platform.

[C]

My next one is to actually weed out government corruption, and I think we can get on board with this. So a few things. Term limits on everybody from the Supreme Court to Congress to Senate, ensuring that even, like, you can only run one or two times in, In. In Congress and Senate. I don't want to have serial Senate members. No.

I feel like it. That would absolutely make you.

More subservient to the people than lobbyists. Because if I'm only in here for two years.

You know, I feel like. I feel like you would. You would have a better interest in. In serving the people rather than the lobbyists.

Stop trading illegal.

A. A separate agency, an independent agency, auditing every single part of the government. Every single part. Maybe even a foreign country. I don't know, maybe not. I haven't thought that went all the way through, but absolutely. Auditing ourselves, I think that's. That's mandatory, but actually just. Just getting, Getting rid of. Of corruption.

I think that would be.

My third. So, like, not like draining the swamp and then hiring people that are CEOs of.

Big banks at Wall street, but actually getting rid of corruption in the government.

[A]

So I, I think the argument against the, the term limit that you said was that it could be useful to have somebody that's in the House that understands the way things work and how to navigate how to pass bills.

That know the procedures, things like that, which might be a learning curve. There was a guy, actually, I. I was an intern when I was like, what was I like, I want to say 18.

But I came back from college and I, through the company that I worked for, they had a partnership with some people on Capitol Hill. And I got to be a Senate intern for Tom Coburn, who was like, the most conservative senator in the senate for, like, 10 years. But when he ran, he ran saying that the concept of having, like, citizen legislatures, legislators was important. So, like, if you're a doctor, that's the idea that the Founding fathers had, was like, people who come from different fields, if they're a doctor, if they're a lawyer, if they're a farmer, they also serve as Congress people. And so he was in Congress for, like, I want to say he. He said that he would only run for two terms as a congressman. And then after his second term was up, he ran for Senate. He's like, I didn't say anything about the Senate. I only talked about the House of Representatives. So, so he even got like, he, he was the biggest guy who was in favor of these like stringent term limits. And then by the end he was like, yeah, it's pretty nice here.

[C]

It's pretty nice.

[A]

But I do, I, I feel like everybody is in favor of the stock trading ban until they actually get there. And then, then they're like, no, you know what, let's, let's put this off a little bit.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that, that would be my, my third.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Weed out the snakes.

[B]

So it's my third.

[A]

Your third?

[B]

Man, I thought I was saving the one. There was going to be an argument about to the end.

[C]

Let's get it.

[B]

All right, so. And we had a similar discussion recently, so we don't have to do the whole thing, but I think at least in my day to day life, the thing that I find myself like more upset about than anything is.

Guy arrested 72 times lighting a random woman on fire on the train. And you see this happen every several weeks. I have for first policy, end the no cash bail for violent crimes. I think that's very common sense. I don't see why that's a thing. If you got a shoplifting or whatever, fine. But if you committed a violent crime and you just get let out of jail, I don't, I can't see how anyone's in favor of that. And I've come up with some numbers that I think are very.

More than fair.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If you are convicted of 10 separate crimes, so 10 times you are convicted of a crime, so not like you've.

[A]

Been charged with 10 counts, correct? Same thing.

[B]

This is 10 separate instances of being not arrested, convicted of a crime. You just got to be in jail for the rest of your life. You've made it clear you're not willing to abide by the rules of society.

[A]

Like, you know, what if it's.

[B]

Or three violent felonies?

[A]

Okay, what if it's ten separate instances of like non violent crime?

[B]

Like what?

[A]

Graffiti? Let's say guy just can't stop graffiti.

[B]

Well, first of all, you probably wouldn't get convicted of that. They, you'd be fined or something. But if you've done something nine times and you know one more time you're going to prison and you can't stop yourself from doing it and it's a criminal act, then like, yeah, you, you probably don't have the self control to like be out in society, okay?

[A]

So would you spend. So in this hypothetical, and I think.

[B]

10 is a more than reasonable number.

[A]

Okay, let's say we got one guy. Graffiti, trespassing, operating legal poker game. Take your pick of any other nonviolent felony.

[B]

Seven more times.

[A]

Seven more times they go to, like, federal prison, like, scary gang prison. Maximum security.

[B]

We can maybe build a few more minimum. If that. If that's all you've done. But you. You're doing a straw man, and it still kind of falls short. No, it's.

[A]

This is. It's like actual.

[B]

And again, most of those things you probably wouldn't get, like, convicted of. You. You'd have a plea deal or something, or you would, you know, this is convicted of 10 crimes or three violent felonies.

[A]

Three violent felonies. Okay. Where. Where do we draw the line at? Violent against property.

[B]

I think that's a. That's a legal designation.

[A]

Against property or against a person.

[B]

I mean, against property. I think if you, like, break into somebody's house and you have a gun, I think that's considered.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

A violent felon.

[A]

I would agree with that.

[B]

That's not. That's not me. Hypo. I. I think that's what the actual designation is.

[A]

Okay.

So I think we can agree that we want people to be safe 100%, that we. We have some big gaps in our. Our judicial system where there's people that have been, like, very convincingly marked as people that are dangerous, that are not getting rehabilitation in whatever case that might look like. Right, Agreed. On the same hand, I always like to remind myself that crime rates as a whole are way down. We see more of them because of the Internet. And the horrible ones are obviously everywhere, and it's not trying to minimize those. But you also have to take into account the totality of the country being safer than it's been since, like, probably the 80s.

[B]

That's fine. So then this isn't applying to that many people.

[A]

So it would be applying to fewer people. Good. In that case.

I don't. I. I think that we definitely need to reform the bail system. I think the bail system is just. By and large, I. And I don't know what the solution is. If you're saying that if it's for, like, all violent. If you're. If you're accused of a violent crime, you then have to pay cash to get out before your trial.

[B]

Yeah. I think just go back to. It was up to the judges whether you got bail or not.

[A]

Okay. As opposed to putting up to the budget, the judges, whether or not you were released?

[B]

I think now. Yeah.

[A]

Because right now, the judge has discretion in a lot of these cases. And the judge can say, okay, I think that you should be remanded until your trial or.

You'Re free to leave.

[B]

I believe in some cities, though, it's like, unless you've done some enumerated thing, you get out automatically. There are like, several that are like these. You don't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But everything else you do.

[A]

Because when it.

[C]

So is the premise. Is the premise if you're wealthier, you're less likely to commit crimes.

[A]

I think the premise is that if you put up money, you're more likely to return for your trial. And the. The more money that you put up, the more likely it is that you'll come back because you don't want to forfeit all that money that you've. That you've put down. But the problem is it does turn into a lot of people that are broke that have to stay in prison pending their trial. Whereas if you have money, you're able to afford the bail, so then you're able to leave. So it. It kind of does punish people for being poor.

In addition to, you know. Yeah, basically what I'm saying is, yes, it punishes people for being poor, which has no relation to the crime that you're accused of. Whereas somebody else that has more money is free to leave until their trial.

[B]

I only said violent crimes, which I think is more than reasonable.

[A]

Yeah, I think that. I think that the more. I don't know what that number is. Like, I have a hard time thinking that somebody that.

[B]

But when you have people who have been arrested 72 times lighting people on fire on the trains, you have to do something.

[A]

There has to be somebody. There has to be a way that that person is either is somehow being.

[B]

Rehabilitated, which it doesn't seem like is happening.

[A]

It doesn't sound like there's a lot. So I would. I would be in favor of a system like that. Big T. If during the first, you know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 times person was arrested, there was also money that was spent rehabilitating them.

[B]

Sure. Yeah. I know it never gets to anyone.

[A]

Doing that, because right now it's like you go to prison, and you go in prison and then you just get angry, and then you're released, you're broke, you can't get hired anywhere. And it makes you more likely statistically to commit another crime because you don't really have anything.

[B]

I want crime to go down. That is my goal. But when we are talking about people who have made it clear they have no intention of stopping doing crimes, I mean, then you, the solution we have now of just letting them out is not working.

[A]

So California had the three strikes, you're out policy for a while, which is similar to what you're saying. Was it three felonies and then life sentence in jail?

[C]

I think so.

[A]

And they had that for a while. And what that ended up doing was it filled the prisons out there with nonviolent drug offenders.

Which I don't think that's, if you're a non violent drug offender, I don't think that you should be locked up for life.

And in that circumstance, a lot of it was just people that had weed and had weed repeatedly, maybe sold weed.

[B]

This says serious or violent felonies. Were those considered a serious felony?

[A]

I think if you had enough weed.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, we, we used to be a Schedule 1 drug, didn't it?

[A]

I think it might still be schedule one.

[C]

Is it really?

[A]

I think so. I don't think that they, they keep talking about reducing the schedule of it. I don't know if they have yet or not. So that, that's the danger you run into when it comes to like serious felonies.

[B]

And by the way, that California law included, the third strike would trigger a 25 to life sentence, even if the third felony was non violent, which I did not propose. Okay, so then you had people have petty theft, drug possession, and that would trigger that.

[A]

So the third strike, that would be.

[B]

Your third of 10.

[A]

In my, the strike zone got bigger.

[B]

I think those numbers are far too high. But I, I use that as an example.

[A]

I, I, I'm not opposed to it, but there would have to be, there would have to be some things built in there that actually makes it more likely that the people that are arrested their first, second time get out and they don't commit those crimes as opposed to just like sending them back out there, waiting for them to offend again and then locking them away as the plan.

[B]

Yeah, my goal is that that doesn't happen.

[A]

I think we spend a lot of money on, on job programs.

[C]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where's that money coming from?

[A]

From? I don't, I don't know. I don't know. We'll figure it out.

We'll figure it out.

[C]

I, I don't mean this to be contentious, but I, I do find it.

Funny that in a hypothetical policy debate that you can propose anything.

You put a patch on a hole in a glass rather than try to fix the foundation of the glass. I think that's where we diametrically oppose each other. I think you try to stop leaks.

[B]

I don't think.

Because I know where you're going with this. And as I've said, we've. We've talked about this.

[C]

That was my stay. I ain't going nowhere with that.

[B]

No, I know, but as we've talked about, like, I am. I am not opposed to the things you are proposing in this realm in addition to making sure violent criminals aren't on the street.

Like, are you. Are you vehemently opposed to what I said?

[C]

I think that is. Out of all the things you said I've disagreed with, I think that is maybe the worst idea. You bet.

[B]

Is there a number then? No, there's no number of violent crimes you can commit.

[C]

If I steal 75 candy bars, I don't deserve life in prison.

If you do it 10 times life.

[B]

And get convicted 10 times, you are high. Well, you're. Again, this is a straw man argument. But if you've committed 10 sudden separate.

[C]

What do you mean? How does it show?

[B]

Larcenies.

[C]

Use a bigger word if you want, but no, you're high. Life in prison.

What?

Again, I'm pro life dog after Murph.

[B]

Me too. But you're so what about. I think you're.

[C]

Life in prison for 10 petty crimes is.

[B]

Okay, fine. Then take that shit.

[C]

Great.

[B]

Focus on the violent crimes because that's what these people. There's nobody that's. That's getting.

These aren't. Focus on the violent crimes because that's what these people are doing.

[C]

How are we defining violent things that harm other people? No, no, I don't think you should spend life in prison after 10 violent crimes. If you.

[B]

10 violent crimes?

[C]

If I get in a fight 10 times at a club. No, I don't think.

[B]

I don't think that's. That's not what we're talking about.

[C]

What is. What are we talking about?

[B]

We're talking. I don't even think that would deal with social.

[C]

When you deal with social issues, you're dealing with a litany of social interactions that can go. That can range from, you know, docile to murder. Like, there's. There's a. There's a spectrum of things. And then you saying damn crimes and you go to jail for the rest of your life. That is crazy to me. That is insanity.

[B]

Ten separate convictions. But.

Like, you claim to have all this empathy. Why does your empathy stop for the people who are getting stabbed and lit on fire by people who've been arrested 60 times.

[C]

I do have empathy. I don't claim to have empathy. One, two.

[B]

But it never seems to extend to those people.

[C]

You're talking about rhetorical justice, and it is proven that that doesn't work. What does work is if you fix the problem at the base. I think either you think one or two things, that you think people are inherently violent in criminals, or do you think there's causes that drive people that way or at least agitate those behaviors? I'm of the latter. I think that socioeconomic conditions drive those behaviors. I don't think people are inherently violent. I think sometimes that may be the case. The wiring is what the wiring is. But I think the majority of these cases, it's a product of environment that has been a policy failure over decades. And so to me, the fix isn't send somebody stealing 10 times or send somebody got in a fight 10 times in jail for the rest of your life. To me, that's you putting a band aid over a gaping wound.

[B]

But you can fix the things you want to fix simultaneously.

[C]

No, you can't. Why not? I said because in a. In a hypothetical debate.

That we are running on our platform, you chose to focus on putting a band aid over a Gaby wound rather than.

[B]

As I've told you, I'm not opposed to real.

[D]

And.

[C]

But this. But this is what I'm saying. That's your focus. Your focus is not.

[B]

My focus in the immediate. Yes. Is getting violent people off the street. That is true.

[C]

I agree. But even in the hypothetical I did. It's. It's always interesting to me that you say you don't have empathy for the victims. I do. But what. What can we do that could bring back somebody that's murdered? Can't do it.

[B]

We could try to prevent it in the future.

[C]

And how do we do that?

[B]

I'm trying to. The solutions you're proposing, which, again, for the fifth time, I am not opposed to.

[C]

Why wouldn't that be your.

[B]

Because I'll answer that question. Let me answer that question. Because those will take effect in 5, 10, 15, 20 years. Those are grassroots efforts that you're hoping to help people in the future. We have people out there right now who have been arrested 70 times that are going out there and committing violent crimes on completely innocent people. I would like that to stop now, and we can try to fix everything else going forward.

[C]

I hear you.

[B]

Why is that unreasonable?

[C]

I don't. I don't think it's.

Unreal. Sending somebody to jail for life for stealing 10 times is absolutely unreasonable.

One, two. I think it's. I think it's unreasonable to.

Go at it that way. Like, I think fixing the foundation is much more rational than.

Continually having a police state that is.

Constantly putting fear in the hearts and the minds of its citizens.

[B]

Can I ask, then, what should be done with. With people like that?

[C]

It is widely studied that if you give people food, if you give people clothing, if you give people a house, if you give people leisure activities and good.

Infrastructure, that crime drops dramatically. So that. That is.

[B]

I agree with that. Generally.

[C]

That's.

[B]

That's specifically. Specifically, let's talk about the guy who stabbed the woman on the train and lit the woman on the train on fire. You think?

[C]

Let's talk about those.

[B]

Although those have been in the news recently. Those are. You think those two people specifically, given those parameters you just mentioned, would not have done those things.

[C]

If. If we gave them those things in their early life? Is that what you're asking?

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[C]

Yeah. The. The percentage in the. The percentage of them committing those acts drops dramatically. Absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

So do you think there are any people out there for whom that is not the case.

That they're just crazy and there's. There's nothing that can be done about it?

[C]

No, I said. I started that with that. I said. I said the wiring is what the wiring is for the most part. But we are byproducts of two things. This is why we have our disagreements about free will. Your environment that you're raised in and the genetics that you are predisposed to. Those two things are the makeup of who we are. And sometimes the wiring is just off. It is what it is. But you can compensate for a lot of those misfirings in the brain if you nourish the environment in which people are grown up in. That is. That is not even an opinion.

[B]

I don't disagree with you.

[C]

Yeah. I just. It's fascinating to me that we just focus. Yeah, whatever.

[B]

It's cool. Focus on both.

[C]

If you could give me a.

Conservative politician that does focus on building infrastructure and mental health care for communities, I'll vote for that. I promise you I will. But they don't.

[B]

This is my platform. This isn't anybody else. But can you.

[C]

I'll vote for Big T if he does.

[B]

You can understand the frustration of living in a city in America where, like, these policies have. Not mine. The. The opposite have gone into effect, and it's resulting in, like, terrible things happening to innocent people.

[C]

I think if you have a myopic view of the world that you live in. Yes, these, these instances bother you, but if you look at yourself as the broader extension of the human family, you see that crime is genuinely decreasing as.

[B]

Yeah, that is true. But that. I don't see why that would necessitate.

[C]

Like, not because we've done. Because, because that's why he brought up the three strikes rule shit like stop and frisk. Right. Stuff like that. Over policing and overdoing it. And more policing doesn't mean safer streets.

[B]

Well, that's. That stop and frisk is unconstitutional. That's a completely separate issue.

This isn't.

Over.

Over policing generally indicates, like, you're putting way more cops in an area you're doing that. These are just people who have committed crimes. You've been convicted of them. Like, what are we to do with you? Repeatedly.

[C]

Your answer is life.

[B]

I don't know, dude. It's not. Go out. Be able to go out there and kill people after you've been arrested 70 times. I find that to be abhorrent.

[C]

Again, there's a.

There'S a reason why our recidivism rate is so high in this country. Our recidivism. Recidivism rate is high is because when we incarcerate, we don't incarcerate to rehabilitate. Like, people scoff, like, and I hate to lump you in as a conservative, but conservatives scoff at like, programs for prisoners and like libraries for prisoners and things to help them get back on their feet. Because a lot of the times, and this is not you, but a lot of people don't view criminals as human. They look at them as inhumane animals. And our president has said so. And when you look at people like that, you treat them like that. And when you treat people like that, they act like that. And so. And so the empathy that you say sarcastically I have would go towards that. So if you have a, a repeat offender that constantly goes to prison, well, he's going to a prison where he has to constantly defend himself from gangs and violence. And no, you're not going to come out any better.

[B]

I think I found our core where we differ because I am 100% in favor of everything you said. I want people to go. I love the stories of people who find Jesus in prison. I hope they come out and they live a productive life and are able to do all of that. I think there are probably more people than you do for whom that just isn't in the cards and they're just kind of crazy and they're gonna do crazy shit. And like, we have to do something about that.

[C]

And you. So there's. Yeah. I don't know, man. I disagree, but.

[B]

No, but I think that's what, like all the things you said, like libraries in prison. I think that's great. I want people to, like, do whatever they can if they want to better their life when they get out. Like, I think that's awesome.

I think you and I just differ on the number of people who are just kind of nuts and are going to do crazy shit.

[C]

I think we will never know, though, if we don't give them that opportunity. And what you're proposing is.

Lock them up and throw away the key after 10 times.

[B]

I mean, 10 times, though. 10.

[C]

That sounds crazy to me. That sounds like.

[B]

Is there a number? A thousand.

[C]

That's how I look at, like, North Korea, though. Like, that's how you sound right to me right now. That's crazy.

[B]

A thousand. A thousand. Can we agree in on a thousand? You get arrested a thousand times if you.

[C]

If. If you commit a crime, you.

You suffer the consequences of committing that crime. I don't think you add addendums to.

The amount, the quantity of.

[B]

Well, to be clear, that's actually a good point. I think there are. In. In the places where a lot of this is happening, I think the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth crimes aren't really being punished the way they should either. And they just get let out and nothing happens. I think that's the majority of the problem, actually.

[C]

I think you're online too much, honestly. I just gotta log off.

[B]

That's probably. That's certainly true. But.

[C]

In order to propose something like this, I would say the only way that justifies it is if, like, the murder rate increase 3,000% and a litany of other issues are happening to where I can even think we could justify something.

[B]

I actually think you're kind of making my point. This is not a lot of people that we're talking about, or at least it shouldn't be.

[C]

But under your.

Hammer gavel, a lot of good people.

That just can't get right through whatever reasons are gonna go to jail for the rest of their life. A lot of them.

And I'm just against that.

[B]

I think there would obviously be.

Ways around what you're talking about. I think this is for the bad guys. Yes. Are people who have repeatedly demonstrated that they have no intention of following the rules of society.

[C]

I would say.

Good luck parsing out who is the good and who's the bad guy.

[B]

I mean, we do that now.

[C]

Agree that's why we get my prison probably so big.

[A]

That's why we get Palantir to come in and they just watch us all the time.

[C]

Who's that?

[A]

They got the kill chain going.

The Palantir, The AI Data company.

Peter Thiel's company. Oh.

Mass surveillance company.

[C]

I read a book a while ago about, like, this scythe. It's a really good. It's like a little teeny bopper book, but it's really dope. It has a bunch of series. The Thunderbolt, the Eye in the sky that Knew everything.

[A]

Yeah, pre crime.

[C]

Yeah. Yep. Pre crime.

[A]

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[C]

Let's do it.

[A]

I guess Giannis wants out.

[C]

Of Milwaukee.

[A]

Yeah, it looks like it.

[C]

Where. Where he talking about?

[A]

I. He wanted to go to New York this off season.

[C]

Ooh.

[A]

I don't know if he's still. What I took away from it is the Washington Wizards finally broke Giannis. That was the last straw. Losing to the Wizards was like. Yanis is like, I have to move.

[C]

I mean, he deserves. This is why he deserves it.

[B]

He deserves.

[C]

Being a Brewers fan. It's a small market and they're gonna. They're gonna. You know, I think the Brewers.

[A]

The brewers fans are gonna hate you for this take.

[C]

They're gonna be crushed. It is what it is, right? But I think that he deserves a big market. He is one of the best NBA players in his generation, and he deserves a big market and a bigger eye with more eyes on him. It just is what it is. Like, it's a small market. Trust me. I'm a Brewer fan, dog.

[A]

Yeah, I know they're going to hate you for this, Aron.

[C]

Hey, this is my fate with Jackson Serio. Eventually. I know.

[B]

He gonna walk.

[C]

I think we got it for like 10 years.

[A]

Well, you're not. You're not a. Yeah. You're not a Bucks fan. You're a Brewers fan.

[C]

I'm just. I can empathize with the Bucks. Yeah. With the Bucks feeling like it because they from Milwaukee. Like, I. I understand that. You know, if we get like, a. A real, like, deal, like, if. If Jackson trio keep climbing the ranks, he gonna. He go. Dodgers might swoop him. Like, I get it. I understand it. You know, it's.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It's a. It's a business at the end of the day now, if. If, If. If Giannis comes to the Lakers.

You ain't gonna hear the end from me.

[A]

Does that work?

[C]

Hype.

[A]

Does that work?

[C]

You make it work.

[A]

There's just one ball.

[C]

Okay. So this is the problem I had with. With. With Luca, and I get. I get fried for this. Take all the time, but we gonna see who's right at the end of his career.

I hope he does well for us, but I feel like if. If you give him another, like, real offensive threat, maybe he's a little less ball dominant. That could work. Okay. Could work. Yeah.

[A]

What about the Knicks?

[C]

I always say I love it when the Knicks are great. Like, I think it makes basketball better when the Lakers are good, the Celtics are good, and the Knicks are good. To me, that I love. I love. This is like. It's like my college football take. Like when. When Florida's good, when. You know what I'm saying, when USC's good, when certain teams are good, it just feels better. And that could be my. It is my bias.

[A]

I'm just gonna throw a couple other teams out at you. Top my head. Miami always finds himself in the discussion. They always do.

[C]

I don't. Yeah. I don't care for it. I think that's just because it's a. It's a great destination for free agents.

[A]

Yeah. Pat Riley.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The closer. Okay. Out west.

How do we feel about the Timberwolves?

[C]

For him to go to Milwaukee, to Minnesota would be pointless.

[A]

Well, you just want him to get. You're rooting for a market.

[C]

I want him to have a big stage.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah.

[B]

I want.

[C]

I'm talking Giannis and Gordon.

[A]

Basketball sense.

[C]

Nick's got a squad, too. Brunson.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They got some pieces.

[A]

What are the Clippers doing?

[C]

I never know what the Clippers are doing.

[A]

They just almost said they fired Chris Paul. They did fire. They fired Chris Paul last night.

[C]

They got rid of him.

[A]

Yeah. During his farewell tour. They said, you're fired.

[C]

That's kind of up. But I mean, Kobe ruined everybody with that because everybody think they're going to get it. Farewell, then. There's only, like, two players right now that I think will. No. Yeah. Steph Gonna get one and Bron gonna get one.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I could see the Suns making. Making an offer, too.

I have no idea how the cap works in basketball. Just disclaimer. I'm talking about just strictly from a vibe of the owner standpoint. He's the guy that, like, bought the team, tried to go all in, making like a. A fantasy basketball team, realized that didn't work, said that he realized the error of his ways, took a step back for a second. Now he's kind of back in the mix. This would be that exact same thing again.

[C]

What about Houston?

[A]

One ball.

[C]

Kevin Durant does amazing with his efficiency. I don't think he needs it a lot. And he's on the latter part of his career. I. I like. I like Houston for him. If he's trying to win now, you know what it.

[A]

Just send him to Oklahoma City, have them win the next 10 titles.

[C]

See, I hate. I hate. I hate how he plays, too, though.

What's cuz name?

Who?

[A]

SGA Main dude.

[C]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[A]

Yeah, his name like a. All right, well, that was macrodosing for today. We will see you guys next Tuesday and can't wait to be back. And we got some just scheduled stuff coming up for the Christmas break. Are we doing the War on Christmas? Feel like the War on Christmas hasn't had as much buzz recently.

[C]

We're taking it back because it's back, baby.

[A]

So it looks like we're going to have a show for you guys on Tuesday the 23rd. Is that correct?

[D]

That is correct.

[A]

Tuesday the 23rd. There will be a macrodosing on Christmas Day. There will be no macrodosing in appreciation reverence for Jesus and Santa. And then on the 30th, there will be Best of Best of New Year's Day. There will be no macrodosing in appreciation of hangovers.

[D]

Right.

[B]

And college football.

[A]

And college football. And then we'll be back to regular programming. January 6th. We're coming back.

[B]

Whoa. Hell, yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's get it. All right.

[C]

We did that on purpose, baby.

[A]

Love you guys.