Mark Sanchez Charged With Felony Battery | Oct 7, 2025

Summary

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Macrodosing: Mark Sanchez Charged With Felony Battery | Oct 7, 2025

Release Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Big T, Mad Dog McKenzie
Podcast: Macrodosing (Barstool Sports)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode covers three main stories:

• The evolving case of former NFL QB Mark Sanchez, who was hospitalized after being stabbed in Indianapolis, then charged with felony battery.
• A deep dive into the discourse around Taylor Swift's latest album, exploring fan theories, political takes, and the impact of her immense fame.
• A rundown of NFL, college football, and postseason MLB action, highlighting running back prospects and coaching changes. The episode is peppered with the crew’s irreverent humor, tangents into music theory, and commentary on AI's effects on culture and media.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mark Sanchez’s Stabbing & Felony Battery Charge

Timestamp: 06:19–13:47

• Incident Recap:
  Mark Sanchez, working as a Fox commentator in Indianapolis, was hospitalized after being stabbed in a confrontation with a 69-year-old grease truck driver.
• Twist in Events:
  It was initially assumed Sanchez was a victim, but as police reports emerged, it became clear he was arrested and charged as the aggressor.

  "He got stabbed in the torso, but... anything could happen. Like if you get stabbed a couple times, it's anything artery, shit go down." – PFT Commenter (08:44)

• Details of the Altercation:
  • Sanchez reportedly yelled at the truck driver, attacked him, and was pepper-sprayed and stabbed in self-defense.
  • The driver was also injured, pictured in a neck brace with a visible facial wound.
  • Reports suggest Sanchez may have been running wind sprints in an alley prior, leading to speculation about his state of mind.
• Reactions:
  The group is baffled, jokes about “the worst hangover ever," and references ongoing developments:

  "You wake up, you're in the hospital, you've been stabbed. Then you find out as soon as you recover... you're going to jail." – Big T (10:50)

  "Is he on drugs? It's gotta be drugs." – Arian Foster (10:07)

• Potential Evidence:
  Both parties purportedly filmed each other during the event; video footage may come out soon.

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2. Taylor Swift’s New Album & Internet Discourse

Timestamp: 13:47–36:01

• Initial Reactions:
  Mad Dog McKenzie and Mackenzie like the album but recognize it's not Swift’s best work. They highlight the upbeat, lovestruck tone and specifically mention the "Travis Kelce penis song."

  "His love was the key that opened my thighs." – (Lyrics read by Big T, 16:03)

• Political and Cultural Theories:
  The internet is awash with speculation:
  • Some claim Swift’s talk of marriage and kids is “pushing a conservative agenda” or is MAGA-coded.
  • Others allege white supremacist undertones due to lyrics about future children "that look like us."
• Hosts’ Take:
  The crew dismisses these wild claims as internet overreach and a symptom of Swift’s outsized fame.

  "This is the problem with the Internet… big incentive to say crazy shit and come up with a theory…" – PFT (20:26)

• Album Structure:
  Only 12 tracks, no deluxe version, as Swift stated in interviews.

  "Quit with your stupid fan theories. It’s just 12 songs, there’s no deluxe, there’s no anything." – Mad Dog (35:38)

• Fanbase Dynamics:
  The group discusses the challenge of meeting fans’ expectations at Swift’s level of superstardom and notes that both blind support and hate are inevitable.

  "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." – Arian Foster (23:38)

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3. Side Tangents: Football, Baseball, and Music

Timestamp: 36:01–56:51

NFL & College Football

• Commanders' RB Jacory "Bill" Croskey-Merritt:
  • Arian gives practical RB development advice: “Hills. You gotta live on the hills. Run hills in the offseason… and track workouts.” (42:33)
  • Shares offer to personally coach Croskey-Merritt, if reached out.
• Golf Chatter:
  • Recap of Pinehurst trip, the “shamble” format, and anecdotes about Barstool’s Riggs during COVID-19 (45:01–48:16).

MLB Playoffs

• Brewers' Playoff Run:
  • Brewers’ division win discussed; Arian worries about Jackson Chourio’s hamstring (49:27).
  • The team debates DH rules, pitching changes, and playoff strategy.
  • Arian openly “looks ahead” and says Philadelphia worries him most (54:51).

College Football Coaching Drama

• James Franklin’s Uncertain Future:
  • After Penn State’s rough loss to UCLA, speculation swirls about Franklin’s longevity and the outsized financials of his contract (68:51–70:40).
• UNC/Patriots Social Media Drama:
  • UNC staffers reportedly forbidden to post Patriots-related content due to Bill Belichick’s ongoing feud—potentially hurting their own recruiting (71:02–74:09).

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4. Sports Culture: Paul Finebaum, AI, and Unhinged Fandom

Timestamp: 74:09–87:29

• Paul Finebaum for Senate?:
  • Reports that ESPN banned Finebaum appearances after he considered a Senate run and announced on rival network Outkick. Story may be more about internal policy than partisanship.
  • Recap of legendary Alabama-Auburn feud: the “Al from Dadeville/Harvey Updike” Toomer’s Corner tree-poisoning call-in (81:49–84:49).
  • Lane Kiffin, Lane’s difficult relationship with Finebaum, and SEC caller lore.
• Music Theory Tangent:
  • Arian discusses pop chord progressions (“C, G, the four chord song”) and debates which Swift song, “Father Figure,” might appeal to him as a music-head (37:11–39:15).

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5. AI Deepfakes & Media Anxiety

Timestamp: 87:29–97:11

• AI Deepfake Anxiety:
  • Debate over the growing ubiquity of AI-generated videos (e.g., a Mark Sanchez deepfake this week).
  • Skepticism about profitable business cases for AI, but pessimism (Big T) and cautious optimism (PFT) about tech investment bubble.
  • Arian admits to using AI to make a joke video, but stresses: "Other than that, it has no utility. Two chuckles here and there." (94:32)
• Upcoming:
  • Tease to discuss Sam Altman AI-related murder conspiracy on Thursday’s episode.

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Notable Quotes

• On Mark Sanchez:

  "I've never seen a bigger twist… five hours later, it was actually, he's under arrest. He was the aggressor." – Big T (13:03)

• On Taylor Swift’s Album:

  "I think a lot of my favorite songs of hers are from when she was down bad... but [this album] is very much a tone of 'I am happy and I'm shouting it from the rooftops.'" – Mad Dog McKenzie (31:43) "Her prestige has outgrown her presence." – Arian Foster (23:53)

• On AI:

  "We're 10—I think in 10 years you will not be able to tell, like genuinely, you'll have no idea if something's real or not." – Big T (90:02) "Nobody really likes it. I don't see a big market for this. I just see artists getting pissed off." – Arian (94:10)

• On the ever-increasing expectations placed on artists:

  "It's tough when fan bases have expectations of artists because they always gonna let people down in their head… You always gonna get let down…" – Arian Foster (34:24)

• On coaching controversies:

  "It's very evident that the James Franklin experiment, they're never going to win anything. Last year is probably as good as it can possibly get for them." – Big T (70:26)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamps | |------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Mark Sanchez stabbing & charges | 06:19–13:47 | | Taylor Swift album & public reactions | 13:47–36:01 | | NFL RB analysis: Croskey-Merritt | 41:43–44:13 | | MLB playoffs: Brewers focus | 49:18–53:57 | | College FB: Coaching drama | 68:51–70:40 | | Social media, Belichick, UNC/Patriots | 71:02–74:09 | | Finebaum for Senate, sports caller lore | 74:09–87:29 | | AI, deepfakes & business skepticism | 87:29–97:11 |

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Memorable Moments

• The hosts’ confusion and immediate pivot as the Mark Sanchez narrative flips: genuine surprise and dark humor.
• Big T reading out the “Travis Kelce penis song” lyrics – awkward, hilarious group reaction. (16:03)
• Arian’s running back coaching tips ("Hills! Run hills in the off-season...") (42:33)
• Anecdotes about SEC football fans, including the infamous Toomer’s Corner tree poisoning.
• Mad Dog’s balanced, “non-internet-poisoned” take on Taylor Swift’s music and fan dynamics.
• Debate over AI utility, with everyone admitting they've only used it for trolling or memes.

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain their signature irreverent, sometimes chaotic style—quick to joke, debate, and meander. They weave in personal anecdotes amid sharp culture and sports commentary, skewering media narratives and internet hysteria.

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For listeners wanting sports news, pop culture insight, and off-the-wall analysis with lots of laughs, this is can’t-miss Macrodosing.

Transcript

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[Big T]

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[Arian]

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[Big T]

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[Host]

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[Arian]

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[Host]

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[Big T]

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[Host]

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[Big T]

Really good.

[Host]

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[Big T]

Auburn is playing Georgia. I've got. I've got a little under the radar one for you that I think could. Could end up being the result of the day.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Big T]

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[Host]

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[Big T]

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[Host]

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[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

The big TE's. That big T puts out every week. It's. It was 3 and 2 on the year going into the weekend. I told my friends about it. I, I marketed for you. I was like, this guy's hot. He's. He's hotter than a pistol. Best sports gambler I know right now. And if you want to take a series of bets, that looks on paper to be real chicken shit sometimes, but it gets results.

[Big T]

Take the big T. Elaborate on that.

[Host]

Well, okay, so here's, here's my example. And you're going to laugh at my example. I was looking at the spreads that you had, and I was like, we're, we're buying 11 points on Navy. But we actually ended up needing.

[Big T]

How many did you need?

[Host]

We needed exactly 11 points.

[Big T]

All right.

[Host]

Why I can't shit on that one. Yes, yes, that was, that was good. I. But the concept is I, I get a lot of points.

[Big T]

Get them within critical numbers.

[Host]

Yeah, within critical numbers. And every leg hit going into the last one of the night, the nightcap.

[Big T]

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[Host]

And so here's first half looked okay, here's the thing.

[Big T]

Well, first quarter, I'm counting it as a loss. The big tease is three and three on the year, still up nine units. However, the final play was Cal plus ten and a half.

[Host]

Yep.

[Big T]

They got up 21 to seven.

[Host]

They did.

[Big T]

You could cash out, which I did. For almost the full win of the big tees.

[Arian]

Wow.

[Big T]

So I won the big tees now, but again, I gave out a pick. The pick did not hit.

[Host]

You can't do that, Big T. The.

[Big T]

Pick didn't hit, but they were. You were 24 points clear. And the cash out was quite juicy.

[Host]

Yeah, it was.

[Big T]

And now they proceeded to spend the next three quarters getting their doors blown off. I've never seen anything like what Cal did on Saturday night. But, yeah, it was a loss. It counts as a loss. 3 and 3. But I hope there were some people out there who maybe took a little. A nice little cash out.

[Host]

Yeah, well, I did not cash out. I went down with the ship.

[Big T]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Host]

Yeah, it's okay. But, yeah, in theory, the big T look pretty good. The Big T's look pretty good.

[Big T]

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[Host]

I love that we're getting ahead of it. We're getting the early numbers. Yeah. Before they. They switch later on in the week. Do you have any inside information?

[Big T]

No.

[Host]

Okay.

[Big T]

Never do.

[Host]

I love it when the line shifts, though.

[Big T]

Yeah. I got Missouri at five and a half. It's down to three.

[Host]

Yeah, that's not that.

[Big T]

That's straight up. Not in the tease.

[Host]

Huge weekend. Where do we want to start? Do we want to start?

[Big T]

Well, Arian doesn't know what happened with Mark Sanchez, so I think that has to be first.

[Host]

Okay. All right. Arian, do you know Mark, like, in passing?

[Arian]

I never really met him like that.

[Host]

Okay, so on Friday night, Mark Sanchez was admitted to the hospital in Indianapolis with stab wounds.

[Arian]

I saw that story.

[Host]

And then it continues.

[Arian]

Wow.

[Host]

It continues to develop. Wait, so you do know the Mark Sanchez story?

[Arian]

I just heard that he was stabbed. I didn't know. I don't know. It was. It was a wild thing to hear. Like, typically, older men ain't getting stabbed like that. So I thought it was. I thought it was, like, either a robbery or something crazy happened.

[Host]

So he's what, 38? I think he's 38 years old.

[Big T]

That's it?

[Host]

Yeah. Younger than me.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Host]

But he was in Indianapolis because he's a. He works for Fox, and he was going to commentate the game on Sunday. The The Colts Raiders game. So the story continues to develop and more facts start to come out. And the police start issuing police reports over the weekend. And then it starts to appear that Mark Sanchez was the aggressor in this situation where he got stabbed. And then the Indianapolis police on Saturday announced, we have placed Mark Sanchez under arrest in the hospital.

[Arian]

What.

[Host]

And right now where the story's at and there's probably going to be some more developments after this. So I don't. I'm just going. Based off the facts that we have right now and based off what's been released at the moment, it looks like Sanchez attacked some sort of a truck driver. He might have been like service worker that drops off grease traps or cleans out grease traps or something like that. Or he might be a delivery guy. I don't know. I've seen a bunch of stuff. But the guy was like in a car. Allegedly pulls up near where Sanchez is. Sanchez starts yelling at him. Then he allegedly attacks the delivery guy. The delivery guy says, get away from me. I think this guy's trying to kill me. Pepper sprays him and then stabs Mark Sanchez. And Sanchez runs away and calls an ambulance or somebody called an ambulance and he went to the hot. I think Sanchez is going to be okay. He got stabbed in the torso, but I don't know, anything could happen. Like if you get stabbed a couple times, it's anything artery she go down.

[Arian]

But. So I have a couple questions.

[Host]

So the dude.

[Arian]

Said that Mark attacked him and he was just dropping something off.

[Big T]

He was like, yeah, he was a delivery driver of some sort.

[Host]

He.

[Big T]

I actually just saw a picture. Have you seen a picture of that guy?

[Host]

It's awful.

[Big T]

I did not realize. I mean, this guy is messed up.

[Host]

This guy's. Yeah, he's got a huge.

[Arian]

Send it to the.

[Host]

He's got a huge cut on the side of his face, like massive. He's in a, A neck brace. I don't know when this picture was taken if he's doing better now, but it, it looks like a really, really bad situation for this guy. And I think, I think the driver was 69 years old.

[Big T]

The football star allegedly battered a 69 year old grease truck driver who was picking up restaurant refuse in an Indianapolis alleyway, according to police.

[Host]

And so.

[Arian]

Okay, so the second part is kind of. It's not fun. It's. I, I don't. I'm not big on self defense, but usually you either stab or pepper spray. My man's did both.

[Big T]

He pepper spray, pepper sprayed him and then Sanchez kept going at him.

[Arian]

Gotcha. And so he. Then he. Okay, so he. He had the. He had the. The bat utility belt, I guess.

[Host]

So he was ready. Yeah. And there was another report that. That right before this happened, Sanchez was running wind sprints in the alley.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Okay. What are we talking?

[Host]

I don't know. It's crazy, right?

[Arian]

Is he on drug. Gotta be on drugs, then he's on drugs.

[Host]

I don't know. It doesn't. I'll say this because I don't want to speculate, but it's. It doesn't sound like the behavior of a man who is in sound judgment.

[Arian]

Just corroborated this picture of this dude. Is this really him?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Do we know that?

[Host]

It was in the New York Post. So I'd say pretty kind of corroborated. I've seen them, but I don't think that they.

[Big T]

I mean. Yeah, they're not putting out fake pictures of the guy in the hospital.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Also, those are from. It looks like a local affiliate, not like from the New York Post.

[Arian]

Okay.

[Host]

I just saw the headline that the Post ran. Then I. I made the case that this is. That's the worst hangover of all time that Mark Sanchez had.

[Big T]

You wake up, you're in the hospital, you've been stabbed.

[Host]

Yep.

[Big T]

Then you find out as soon as you recover from the stab wound, you're going to jail.

[Host]

Yeah. A police officer walks in, places you under arrest while you're one. Hungover. Maybe. Maybe hungover. I don't know if you had a mental health crisis or not, but I'm. I'm just. I guess I'm assuming a lot here.

[Big T]

Guessing.

[Host]

I'm guessing you're hungover, you're handcuffed to your hospital bed.

[Big T]

Did they handcuff him?

[Host]

I think they usually handcuff you. Yeah. Well, he was originally charged with misdemeanors, and then I think that got. At least one. Got upgraded to a felony.

[Big T]

Today he is facing a level five felony battery charge, which carries a one to six year sentence.

[Host]

So I. I think they probably placed him in handcuffs, but if not, they at least had a cop come in and say, you're under arrest. And the cop probably stationed himself outside the hospital door. And then you're just like, you're coming down from all that. Also, you have stab wounds, getting.

[Big T]

Perp walked out of the hospital after getting stabbed.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Rough Monday.

[Host]

I can't think of a worse hangover than that. I really can't. There might have been. Yeah. Maybe on Christmas Day, the British troops that Were that were in Delaware when George Washington crossed the river and just ambushed all of them.

[Big T]

Sure.

[Host]

That's a pretty bad hangover. Yeah, Hitler had a pretty bad hangover on D day when he slept in because he was all methed out. And his generals are like, hey, they're invading. They're in France right now. He's like, oh, no, but my tanks, they are all north. I put all my tanks into the north.

[Big T]

What is this that I can't.

[Host]

Well, hey, I can't do Hitler soon.

[Big T]

Is that after he went to Argentina?

[Host]

Yeah, it was a little Spanish. Yeah, my tanks, they are all in the north. I can't do. I can't do German. Bad hangover for Mark Sanchez, but crazy story too. We'll probably learn. I think they have video surveillance of it.

[Big T]

I think I read that they were both filming each other, like with their phones.

[Host]

Are you serious?

[Big T]

I believe I read that.

[Arian]

Yes.

[Host]

Sorry.

[Arian]

Is funnier and funnier. What the. I mean, I hope everybody's okay, but holy.

[Big T]

I've never seen a bigger twist than. I came in here Saturday morning to watch college football and open my phone and saw that Mark Sanchez had been stabbed. And I was like, oh, my. What? And then five hours later, it was actually, he's under arrest. He was the aggressor. Wild golf season is in full swing and getting out there to work on your game is bound to make any day even better. And if you're looking to improve your drive, Chevy Equinox EV is the smartest choice you can make. Bold athletic styling, a commanding presence, award winning tech, and impressive range, all with an affordable msrp. Chevy Equinox EV will put a smile on your face no matter how your scorecard shakes out.

[Host]

Yeah. Crazy. Also this weekend, huge news. New music on Friday. Mad Dog McKenzie.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yep, it's very exciting.

[Host]

Yeah, New pop punk song came out. Peaked in high school.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I know I peaked in high school.

[Host]

Check it out. Playing down Baton Rouge on Friday. Go Tigers at Fred's. Tiger Land. One of my favorite parts in the world. But Taylor Swift released her album on Friday.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes, she did.

[Host]

To mixed reviews.

[Big T]

Well, a perfect score of 100 according to Rolling Stone.

[Host]

Oh, yeah, they're just. That's like.

[Big T]

How much do you think that cost?

[Host]

That's like CBS paying Trump $100 million. It's like they want to be friends with Taylor Swift.

[Big T]

Do you think that was paid advertising or that they did that?

[Host]

I think they.

[Big T]

As a gesture of goodwill.

[Host]

As a gesture of goodwill to the Taylor Swift community. Yeah. But, yeah, mixed reviews. I've heard. Actually, I'll be honest. I've heard none of the songs. I heard 15 seconds of Ophelia and I've read several posts about it. And in my estimation, the posts that I've seen have appeared to be less than. Less than complimentary.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Complimentary.

[Host]

Over. Overall, what are your thoughts?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Mackenzie and I have very similar opinions. We really like the album. I like it. I was talking to Big T before you came in here and before we were recording. I do not think this is her magnum opus. I do not think this is her strongest album she's ever released. I do not like every song on this album. I do not think this is like her strongest sonically, lyrically. That being said, I still like a lot of the songs and think they're very fun and good. I like the Travis Kelsey penis song a lot. I think it's really fun. I think it's really.

[Big T]

You did hear that correctly.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes. There's a song about Travis Kelce being packed. Yes.

[Big T]

Let me get lyrics for you real quick. Ariana, just.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, I can just probably like, you.

[Big T]

Know, read them for you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I love that song.

[Arian]

You know what, Big T, I'm actually cool.

[Big T]

No, no, no. I think you need to hear it to get a. I don't think.

[Arian]

I do.

[Big T]

Forgive me. It sounds cocky. He omitized me and opened my eyes Redwood tree it ain't hard to see his love was the key that opened my thighs.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, it's awesome. I love that song.

[Big T]

Sup, man?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think it's fun.

[Arian]

Clapping some cheeks, dude.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, like, God forbid. I think it's fun. I think it's a really fun album. I think it reflects where she's at in her life, which is obviously extremely happy, extremely in love. I think people are really causing the discourse to be at an all time high in a very idiotic way for a lot of things. But I think it's fun. Again, it's not my favorite favorite album she's ever put out. I was expecting it to be like life changing like crazy. Like music industry shifting based on the way she's not. That might have been a bit.

[Host]

It's gonna change. It's gonna change music.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I. Look, she was. She was hyping it up like a lot. And I was like, damn. She like didn't even say anything. When Tortured Poets came out, which was her last album, she did very minimal, if any, press about it. So I just. She was so over the top with this one, so I was very excited. And the producers she worked with have produced some of my Taylor Swift's favorite Taylor Swift songs of all time. Again, I like a lot of the songs. I think they're very fun. I don't think this is her strongest album, but I like a lot of the song.

[Big T]

Have you heard my personal favorite theory on this album? That Taylor Swift is a covert MAGA operative.

[Host]

Oh, let's go. Tell me about it.

[Big T]

So some are theorizing and this is actually, this is so, like, I don't even know if you're a. Are these Taylor Swift fans or these haters? I don't know who it is.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think I can't tell either.

[Big T]

But they're like, I don't know.

[Host]

Can I just go based on the vibes? Because I haven't heard the theory yet.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

But my, my thought would be that there are people that do not care for, that have said that they don't care for Taylor Swift's music because of her allegedly being too liberal. They probably haven't listened to a lot of Taylor Swift's music, but now that there's this theory, they will say that they support her.

[Big T]

No, no, no, no. It's the opposite.

[Host]

Okay.

[Big T]

It's people who I think do like Taylor Swift and listen to this album. And now they're saying since she is proclaiming that she wants to get married and have children and all these things, she is pushing the conservative agenda and that she is actually in cahoots with Trump now.

[Host]

All right.

[Big T]

Because she, because she's marrying a football player.

[Host]

Where did, where did the narrative of conservatives are the only one who have children come from?

[Big T]

I mean, that's what I was saying.

[Host]

Ridiculous.

[Big T]

It is ridiculous.

[Host]

But there are a little stank on it. Well, it is, because I've seen this everywhere. It's like people are just saying, you can just say stuff, but you're like, yeah, you're right. Democrats don't want. Democrats don't have families.

[Big T]

It is ridiculous. But you would acknowledge there is a wing, there is a wing of the left that does think that, like, marriage is a problematic institution and that having children is not. You know, there, there are a lot of people who have thought, thought that.

[Host]

I don't think that's what they.

[Big T]

Well, clearly there are, because they're saying Taylor Swift is a, is a MAGA operative.

[Host]

I think there's like two people that are saying that. And then I saw it.

[Big T]

I saw a tick tock of this ad. Hundreds of thousands of likes that said what that kid. I'll. I'll find the video and send it to you.

[Host]

Yeah, because people are gonna, like any crazy shit about Taylor Swift, Maybe.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Also. Also people are claiming that she's similar to that take, that she's a white supremacist. Because in one of her songs, she talks about how, like, she doesn't need all of the extra things in life. She just wants a house with kids that look like us running around. And people are taking that as she's a white supremacist. She only wants just these white people living on her street. And it's like, no, she's marrying a white man and they would have white children. Yeah.

[Host]

This is the problem with the Internet is that, well, you can say whatever. Also, there's like, a big incentive to say crazy and come up with a theory and then. And then get a bunch of people that pay attention to you because of it. So you don't even say that you believe half the time. Or if you do, you've just been, like, conditioned to believe that by going down, like, seven. Seven different layers of, like, absolutely batshit investigations into her shit.

[Big T]

So I sent you one of the videos. It's very long. We don't have time to play a little thing. But just to give you an idea, it has 500,000 likes. Some of the comments she adapts to her boyfriends. She's in her conservative era. That has 65,000 likes. She is a billionaire. She's one of them. There is no such thing as an ethical billionaire. 57,000 likes.

[Arian]

That's fact.

[Big T]

And then. So this doesn't seem to be an extremely fringe.

[Host]

No, but in fact, it's something that big, T. Parts of it you might have agreed with.

[Big T]

Like what?

[Host]

Like the fact that. Why are we. Why are we giving Taylor Swift, like, our full fidelity and bending the knee to her? She's a billionaire that's making money and selling, you know, kind of 500 concerts.

[Big T]

In a different way.

[Host]

But I.

[Big T]

But I don't believe she's working with Trump to promote. Obviously not the conservative agenda. Obviously not of marriage.

[Host]

Or maybe she's got an inside track that Bad Boney is going to be replaced on the super bowl halftime show because Trump's upset. So now she wants to get in with Trump, so she gets installed.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Host]

That's my other favorite thing going on on the Internet right now is people pretending that they're not going to watch the super bowl because Bad Bunnies. He's performing.

[Big T]

Yeah, I don't.

[Arian]

I don't.

[Big T]

I don't care. Yeah, I. But I mentioned that to say that it seems this album is being panned by people of all angles.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I. I also think I was telling this to Big T as well. She is so large and so.

[Host]

Her.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Her fame is so. Her presence is so.

[Host]

I get it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. She's so famous that anything she does is just so blown out of the water in a positive and negative way. There are people who are going to support this album and think it's art and. And it's the best thing that she's ever done. And there are people that are going to think the exact opposite. The spectrum is crazy. It's just. She has hit a level of fame where, in my opinion. And Mackenzie, you may have a different opinion. I don't think anything she ever puts out again will be received in a mostly positive light, at least right at first, like opening weekend. Because there are so many voices that want to talk about her that there will be so many negatives opinions for.

[Arian]

Fade to black man.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Ever. She gotta just go away.

[Arian]

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Happens to everybody.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Like, I. I think she's just eclipsed a level of fame that you can have a normal album release and not.

[Arian]

Well, her.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And I also just don't.

[Arian]

Her prestige has outgrown her presence.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

In what? What do you mean?

[Arian]

Like, who people think she is is bigger than who she actually is.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right, Right. Because she does interviews and stuff. And I'm not saying that again, I don't know this woman personally. Wish I did, but I don't. She does interviews and she's not this, you know, huge presence that is. I'm a. Gives off. I'm a superstar and I, you know, and the most famous person on planet Earth. Like, she really doesn't give that off. And so from what I like, take from that is that she. You can't live up to the name of Taylor Swift. It's just so big and it's so looming. I just don't think anything can truly live up to her fame. And I don't think anyone is ever going to or I don't think she's gonna ever release an album. And every person is going to be, oh, my God, what. What a collection of work. I just don't think. I think she's passed.

[Host]

I also think that there's a lot of people that have made a big part of their lives, like, defending everything that she does. So if there's something that she does, maybe she releases an album that you don't particularly love. That's so. That's okay. My favorite artists do that sometimes. But when that happens, they're like, oh, what do I do? Like, do I have to pretend to like it? Do I like it? It makes them have, like, a. A personal crisis because their perfect person wasn't perfect once. And she's not. She's not a perfect person. I guarantee you that. Like, she's got lots of flaws like everybody else, but I. In a way, I almost. I almost feel bad for her.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't think she cares, though. Like, I think this happens and she's just like, okay, well, I like it. The music. So I don't really. It doesn't really matter to me. But I do also think there's people, like, people who, if they don't, like, you were just saying that, defend her no matter what. There's people on the other side that will, like, hate shit on her no matter what. It doesn't matter. Like, they could love the album, love the song. They'll still be completely. Not give her any. Like, why does everybody love her so much? Blah, blah, blah. So I think that's just like, whenever she does anything, there's both those extremes, and then those people are going at it. But then there's, like, all the regular people that are like, I like, yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? It's an album. I also think the. Tying it to the political discourse of it all. I've seen so many tweets, and again, like, Twitter is just. I can't do Twitter recently. But there have been so many tweets correlating it to the leftist movement and, you know, yeah, the. The whole white Supreme. It's music, like, how many other albums are we doing this for?

[Host]

Yeah, not many.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Kanye wrote, like, Nazi songs. Yeah, yeah. And everyone's like, damn, he's crazy. And then you can kind of go.

[Host]

Her image has crafted very.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I agree. But that's what we're saying. Like, she's talking about wanting to have kids with a white man, and they're like, well, she's a white supremacist, and she is actually teaming up with maga and, like.

[Host]

No, I was saying, like, with Kanye, it's because of, like, what we've grown to expect. There's a difference. So, like, with Taylor Swift, her public Persona has been very carefully manicured to be, like, pristine. Right. That means a lot. That means a lot to her. And she's thought that this is the best way to market herself. And then if anything bad, if anything, like, even in a gray area comes out about her, it's like, A big deal. As opposed to Kanye, who's been fucking insane and crazy and shifted the Overton window on himself so far that nothing can. Can surprise you with this guy. And so when he puts out a song called Hail Hitler, people like, yeah, it's still shocking, but, I mean, it's Kanye.

[Big T]

So can y' all also tell me, I don't know, the AI video? What is that?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

Like, what is it for? Because I see people mad about that as well.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I will also say I am not a fan of her use. If it's AI. I am not a fan of that. I don't appreciate AI in art and pretty much anything else in life. And I think she's rich enough she can pay an animator or whoever it is to make a video. I honestly think it's just. I wasn't really clued in on it. I think it was kind of one of those just, like, Easter egg videos where we don't really know what the point of it is yet. But I honestly didn't look much into it besides the AI discourse. And I don't like that she uses AI if that's what it is. I don't appreciate that. So, yeah, like, I don't know, but I. I honestly have details.

[Big T]

Was it a music video?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, it was just like a promo video for something or like a QR code scan. I don't exactly know what it was. I don't think anyone knows what the exact purpose of is yet. I might have missed it, but I don't have.

[Big T]

You want to know something interesting? Pft. Do me a favor. Are you on Twitter?

[Host]

I am, yeah. X dot com.

[Big T]

Yeah, can you go on your X app? And when I search AI, plenty of results come up. Fine. When I search AI Swift or AI Taylor.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I get an error message.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I have the answer.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

AI Swift.

[Big T]

No, yours comes up.

[Host]

Yep. Okay, I know. What comes up is people saying, what the fuck? Nothing comes up when you search Taylor Swift. AI Taylor Swift's team is currently blocking searches of Taylor Swift AI.

[Big T]

I have found a community note. The phrase Taylor AI has been banned from X's search tab since January 2024, when AI generated sexual photos and videos using Taylor's image began to be shared.

[Host]

Yeah, if I search AI Taylor, it doesn't go through. That's honestly fair.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Host]

Because there was some bad stuff.

[Big T]

I thought. I thought she got her team scrubbing people being mad at her for using AI.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, you couldn't have done that for the past, like, two years or, like, you couldn't have searched that for, like, the past two years.

[Big T]

Got it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Because of the.

[Host]

What about. What about my Take that when Taylor is happy and in a content relationship, then she or people don't identify as much to her music because they like having Taylor write songs about struggles that she went through that they're currently going through.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think that's fair. I think there are several songs on this album that are like, I am so in love. It is sickening. I am so obsessed with my fiance. I love him so much. That's.

[Host]

My boyfriend's got a big cock.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes. Not everyone can relate to that, unfortunately. I. I do agree. I think a lot, you know, a lot of the people that listen to Taylor Swift aren't married. And that's not. That's a lot of people that listen to any music aren't married, whatever. So I think there is a level of relatability because it's like, I found the love of my life. And not everyone, especially like, younger girls that listen to her aren't, you know, with their future spouse yet. That's to be had with any person that sings about that kind of stuff. And I think most people have been through some sort of heartbreak or breakup that she sings about, so I think it's easier to relate to. But I. Yeah, I think it's harder to relate to, but there are a lot of Taylor Swift songs that I don't personally relate to that I still enjoy listening to and still like.

[Arian]

Sounds like it's indicative of the human condition. Her most slappiest slaps are when she's upset and sad.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And so people like blood. People like when people do it bad, man.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I think a lot of my favorite songs of hers are from when she was down bad and going through a really hard time. But a lot of. I. I also have a lot of my favorite Taylor Swift songs that are about her being happy or, you know, or not about love at all, about other things in her life. So, yeah, I think the. She's known for the breakup songs in a major way. She's. She's kind of made that her niche, or I don't know if you can call it a niche, but she's made that her strength. And I think this is an album that is very much a tone of I am happy and I'm shouting it from the rooftops. And not everyone does that. So, again, it's not fun to listen to I'm in love songs when you're single or going through a breakup or whatever it is. And luckily for you or whoever's not relating to it. Taylor has 11 other albums that you can listen to at your greatest convenience that are about those things.

[Host]

Can I interrupt you real quick?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

I'm excited to find out that Mad Dog is a rational music consumer. And you too, mackenzie, you're approaching this with like a very non Internet poisoned brain, which.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Thank you. There was a lot of Internet poison to be had this weekend. I'm also not, like, very musically inclined, so, like, I'm just like. I either like the song or I don't like. I don't know. I don't think there's too much to be overanalyzed. It's like, oh, okay. It's like, yeah, a good beat. Like I'm in. Like, it's really not that hard. Yeah. I just think that, like, there's a lot of Taylor Swift music. She has a lot. This is her 12th album. She has so much music that you can go back and listen to that actually fits any. Any feeling on the spectrum of love or emotion or whatever. And I like a lot of the songs on here, and I think the discourse is like, legit, mind numbing. And I think people just like to talk about her good, bad, whatever it is. I'm glad you think I'm a rational consumer. I really like a lot of the songs. It's not that I'm trying to defend her with my life. I just enjoy listening to them. They're fun and they're not super like. I mean, obviously they're deep in her own way, but like, they're not like soul crushing, like, so deep lyrics. They're just like, fun and that sometimes it's just like fun to dance and sing to fun songs.

[Host]

I agree.

[Arian]

You know, so I think it's tough when fan bases have expectations of artists because they always gonna let people down in their head. This was supposed to be the whatever industry stopping or whatever the case may be. You always gonna get let down with like that.

[Host]

Yep.

[Arian]

So I gotta live life with no expectations, man. It makes. It makes this thing so.

[Big T]

Well, I believe she did say when she went on Travis Kelsey's podcast, like, this is the thing I'm most excited that I've ever made.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

She did say that.

[Arian]

Yeah. Don't listen. So it was people that you love just have no expectations. Doesn't matter what anybody says. Life is amazing. Like, that some bads happen. That's what's up. Something good happens. That's what's up. It's great.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I like it.

[Host]

It's a fun Fun album.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I think you would.

[Host]

I'm gonna listen at some point.

[Arian]

How many. How many tracks is it?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

12.

[Arian]

Oh, that's reasonable.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, she did. She said in that same New Heights interview. She was like, it's 12 songs, start to finish. There's no bonus. There's no deluxe. There's no secret double album. It is 12 songs.

[Host]

So quit. Quit with your stupid fan theories.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Shuts it down before it even comes. Yeah. She was like, there's nothing else coming. This is the 12 songs that I've chosen to put on this project. Yeah. That's an Easter egg. Well, I would like it to be Vault. Vault tracks from Reputation, but I'm not.

[Arian]

You look at the origins the number 12.

[Host]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right. But, yeah, it's just. It's just 12 tracks. There's no deluxe, there's no anything. So. Yeah.

[Host]

All right, cool. Good. Taylor Swift recap. I will listen to the album at some point, and I'll see.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Give me a song to throw me like, okay, Eric. Because I'll give it a. I'll give it a chance, but I'm not gonna listen to 12 tracks of it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But that's okay.

[Arian]

Give me, Give me, Give me one. He'd be like, okay, if I like that one.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

My double back.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, Mackenzie.

[Big T]

That's kind of a pressure pack.

[Host]

I don't know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, it is. Do you want a more, like, pop song or want upbeat or more pop guy?

[Arian]

I like depth. I like, I like. I like different chord changes. I mean, different chord choices.

[Host]

I don't.

[Arian]

The ABCG thing. That's more pop.

[Host]

You like diminished chords.

[Arian]

Oh, Dennis. Course. Make that.

[Big T]

So you're saying you don't want the one that sounds exactly like I want you back by the Jackson 5.

[Arian]

Pop songs. I, I, I don't know what you're referencing, but pop songs in general, over time, follow pretty much the same chord progressions because it's what people. It's. It's easiest on people's ear.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Right. A C chord, a G chord, like those kind of that. That core progression is very standard. There's this, like, YouTube video I saw a long time ago that had, like.

[Host]

Like, I was like, I don't know.

[Arian]

100, like 50, maybe 50 pops before chord song. Yeah. And it's just the same every single.

[Big T]

It's Jack. Jack Black. Right. It's the Jack Black's, like, duo.

[Host]

White Stripes.

[Big T]

No, you're thinking of Jack.

[Host]

Oh, yeah. Tenacious D. Yes. I don't see color.

[Big T]

The four chord song. I think it's by them. And it's like every famous song that you can just play on one after another.

[Host]

Yeah, the. It's a. It's a chord progression more so than it is the exact same chords. The chord progression is 1, 5, 6, 4, and the numbers are correlated to the spot in the scale. So if one is doe. Because you was right, you could technically.

[Arian]

You could technically play any song in any key.

[Host]

Yeah, you can move the key around.

[Arian]

Not necessarily.

[Host]

Excuse me.

[Arian]

But people more like major. Major chords are more fitting to people's ears when it comes to music.

[Big T]

It's by a group called the Axis of Awesome with a guy who looks vaguely reminiscent of Jack Black.

[Host]

Tenacious D tribute band.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I think if you want a not upbeat pop song, that. Again, I don't know music as well as you do, Arian. It has some key changes. I don't really know about the chord progression and all of that. I would say Father Figure, I'm a great one is probably a good place to start. A lot of this album is upbeat, so that's a more slowed down. And it's not necessarily. Or it's not about like being in love and stuff. And it takes the name from Father figure and by George Michael and interprets her beat into that.

[Arian]

Perfect.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So it's a similar beat to Father Figure by George Michael.

[Arian]

Father Figure. I'm on it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I would say that that's my favorite bridge on the album.

[Arian]

I'm on it. I would say I'll listen to it after this podcast.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. A lot of them, though, I will say, just are very upbeat. So I would say probably not a lot of them are like that, but.

[Host]

Father Figueroa, I like a dance track.

[Arian]

Every now and then. Tyler, the creator, just came out with a project that's like all dance songs.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was dope, sugar on my tongue and stuff.

[Arian]

But yeah, I'm with it. I'm with it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's my Taylor Swift.

[Host]

Aaron, you were watching the Commander's Chargers game yesterday.

[Arian]

Unfortunately, I was.

[Host]

What do you mean, unfortunately?

[Arian]

I didn't really care who won. I had Herbert as a quarterback in fantasy in my money league and I was going against Jada Daniel. So it was. It was a big matchup for me and they got away with a little cheap touchdown at the end of the game. So I was rude.

[Host]

When's cheap about it?

[Arian]

There was up 20 to 10.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Arian]

The Chargers had no timeouts. They was down by 10. It was stupid. They didn't have to do that. Stupid.

[Host]

Well, yeah, they wanted to make it a they. They wanted to force the Chargers to have to score three times. Three touchdowns seconds with no timeouts, as opposed. Well, follow me on this one. If they kick the field goal on that fourth down.

[Arian]

Blocked.

[Host]

No, they're up 13, right. You have to go.

[Arian]

No, so here.

[Host]

And then two touchdowns would win the game for the Chargers.

[Arian]

But you have to go. You would have to go 90 yards in 50 seconds with no timeouts and then kick it onside and then go 50 yard and snap.

[Host]

No, I'm saying, But I'm saying the Chargers. Okay, Commanders kick a field goal, then they're up 13. Then the commanders have to kick off. Chargers could get a big return. They could get good field position. They could even return it for a touchdown. And then the Chargers are only down six points. Then they kick on sides, they recover and now a touchdown wins the game for them. It's improbable.

[Arian]

Yeah, very. But I wasn't mad at it.

[Host]

I wanted to know what you thought about the Commander's running back. Jacori, Krosky, Merritt, Bill.

[Arian]

Yeah, he looks really good. I think. I don't think you'll see a lot of long runs from like that. I think those are more a couple, like a couple of one offs, like defensive breakdowns and gap integrity. But I feel like he's very, very solid back. Very solid back. That's my first time seeing him, so I gotta.

[Host]

I gotta see more.

[Arian]

But he looks good.

[Host]

He looks really good. Yeah, he's got. He's got great vision. He's. He's really super shifty around the line. I don't know if he's got like the breakaway speed where he'll be able. Like if he gets to the second level. I don't see him like sprinting past cornerbacks and safeties and not getting caught. Sometimes he's fast enough. He's pretty fast, but he's not like elite level fast.

[Arian]

I saw a very similar cat. He plays for Penn State, number 13.

[Big T]

They have two that are really good. I forget if that's Alan or Singleton.

[Arian]

I forget his name. I loved his game because I watched when they played Oregon and I loved his game. And so for. For all you running backs out there that are fans of Macrodosian.

[Big T]

That is.

[Arian]

Yeah, it's K. Tron Allen Knee lift him and. And your boy from the Commanders Knee lift. Knee lift will increase your long speed for the long haul. And how to get knee lift? Hills. You gotta live on the hills. Run hills in the offseason, incorporate hills in your offseason training. And track. Track workouts. Those two will increase your speed, and you can walk off on four. Three guys, like, you know.

[Host]

All right.

[Arian]

Some of us did.

[Host]

So, Bill, if you're listening, hit the hills.

[Arian]

The hills in the off season, dog. Holla at your boy. DM me. I. That's what. That's one thing that's dope. Thing about being, like, an ex player. A lot of cats reach out to me and, like, ask for, like, advice. That's really dope. Yeah, it's really dope. And I'll give it to him. It's like, I'm gonna die with this knowledge.

[Host]

So I'm gonna give him your number.

[Arian]

You have his number?

[Host]

Yeah. Is that cool?

[Arian]

Yeah, of course.

[Host]

Tell them to hit me. Okay. Yeah. This is awesome. Everything's coming together. You're gonna be a big Bill Crosby merit fan.

[Arian]

This was. This was. This was your. This was your. You was playing the long game, wasn't.

[Host]

No, No, I wasn't at all.

[Arian]

I'm gonna start a podcast with Arian when we finally get a good running back.

[Host]

I think. I think he'd be psyched to hear from you, because I. I really do think that this guy has, like, unlimited potential. He's that good. And he was a steal.

[Arian]

Unlimited.

[Host]

Well, I mean, unlimited in that, like, I. I could see him being, you know, top. Definitely top five running back in the NFL as a rookie. This is really impressive.

[Arian]

He looks really good. Yeah, you know, he looks really good. And so, yeah, I'm. If he's really. If he really hits me, I'll look a little bit more at his. At his film. I'll give him some of my critiques and stuff like that.

[Big T]

Do you know where Bill comes from?

[Host]

I do, yeah.

[Big T]

Where?

[Host]

So his grandmother said William.

[Big T]

No, his name's Jacori.

[Arian]

Oh, yeah. I thought you would name. No. I don't get you a little tidbit.

[Big T]

I know. I do know that Bill is a nickname for William. I'm wondering why it's from him.

[Host]

Well, first it starts in committee, and then after some revisions, it goes to the floor.

[Big T]

Okay, so.

[Host]

No, it's. His grandmother just called him Bill. Yeah. So when he was a baby, he reminded her of the cartoon Lil Bill.

[Big T]

Got it.

[Host]

And so she started calling him Bill, and then he's just like, yeah, I'm Bill now. That's my name.

[Big T]

Got it.

[Host]

Yeah, he's the best. Bill, the running back Lil Bell. Let's see what else we got to get into from the weekend. That was Arian. I played Pinehurst.

[Arian]

How'd you like it?

[Host]

All right. So the format that we played was something called a shamble, which is like, all right, so if you're not familiar, it's. I played with Hank, and you both hit a tee shot, then you use the better of the two tee shots, but from that point on, it becomes best ball. So I think Hank and I finished nine under for 18 at Pinehurst number two, which was like, I was. I was super excited about that. But the way that we played, since it's a shamble off the tee, if you end up in one of those native areas that's got the. The sand and, like, the wispy grass. Grass and stuff, you can pick and place within a club length. So even if you hit into that, we could put it in a spot where we'd have, like, a free swing at it. So the course obviously, wasn't as hard for us as. As it would be if you were just playing your own ball the whole time. But the greens there were just. The greens just. They are infuriating there because every green, it's like the first 10 yards of the green, if you land it in there, it's just going to roll back 30 yards, and then if you hit it a little too far, it's just going to roll off the back of the green. So that. That was challenging. The greens were super, super fast, too. But it's. Man, it's a great course. I loved it. I actually ended up in Bryson's bunker, The one that he hit out. The one he hit for Rory on 18. Yeah. So I sold mine about 40 yards over the green. When I hit mine.

[Arian]

Your man Riggs. When we played in the. The Writer cup, we was. I was. We was talking on the tee box, and I was like, I hate pine her. She's like, why? I was like, she's just ugly. Like, it's. It's not aesthetically appealing to me. It looks like. It looks like a. Ugliness is ugly. And he was like, well, thanks, man. I lived. I live on Disrespect. Your backyard.

[Big T]

Are you familiar with the Riggs Pinehurst lore?

[Arian]

I'm familiar that he lives there on the. On the. On the course, but I don't.

[Big T]

Oh. So I didn't even actually know that, but he lived there during COVID Right. And he was there for, like, several months.

[Host]

At the resort.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

Like, not in his house. He was right at the resort.

[Big T]

And then he left finally that summer, whenever, you know, things opened back up or whatever and sobbed as he was, they. They gave him Like. Like a what. What they had. They had every employee. Yeah. Line the halls and, like, cheer for him as he left. It's quite a video.

[Host]

Yeah, he had the best covet of anybody. Yeah, he was just. He was at a golf resort in a hotel for, what, like, 90 days?

[Big T]

Something. Yeah.

[Host]

And so he got to just play golf every day and. Yeah, he. He did. He handled that, right? Yeah, he had a great time at it. But, yeah, so he lives on the course area, and since it was a shotgun start, the hole that me and Hank teed off on to start the day was the hole that's right next to Riggs's house. And so we. We go up to our tee, and then we see in the backyard, Riggs and his boys back there at, like, 8:30 in the morning, shirtless, hungover, getting started on another day of drinking. And we're like, oh, hey, Riggs, how's it going? He's like, let's go, boys. Hit driver. It was wild. It was a wild way to start the day. But, yeah, it's. Man, it. It's a very fun course to play, but it's. It's super challenging.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Host]

Also, you weren't on the show last week, but shot in 87. Not to brag.

[Arian]

Hey, there you go.

[Host]

We'll see. We'll see. I got a big match today against Hank.

[Arian]

What's the. Are y' all playing for?

[Host]

5,000.

[Arian]

Love it, though. I might call you in the middle and get the rest of my push ups.

[Host]

I should not have told you. I can't tell you anything anymore.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I can't believe that's still going on.

[Arian]

That's the fun about that Bet I could drag it out as long as. Matter of fact, let me get five real quick.

[Host]

How many. How many do I owe you?

[Arian]

45.

[Big T]

I think it's still quite a few. Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, wow. You want five? Still a lot.

[Arian]

Five. Just five.

[Host]

Count them out from a D. That.

[Big T]

2, 3, 4, 5. He did six, but the first one was iffy.

[Arian]

Yeah. Yeah. Can't be getting these bush league push ups, man.

[Host]

So, yeah, Aryan, the Brewers.

[Arian]

You see me shout out to. Shout out to the brew crew for sending me this. Send me this gear we got. You know what I'm saying? Division champs. That's what we do.

[Host]

What was that?

[Arian]

Yeah, we came out swinging. Except it was kind of. Not kind of. It was bittersweet. Cause I don't know the status on Jackson. Cheerio. That's my dog. He went down with a hamstring tightness. You know, I'M well aware of hamstring injuries, and he's saying he's good. His coach saying he's not sure. I haven't got a status since yesterday.

[Big T]

Um, so they had him running yesterday. He looked a little tight, but, like, he could probably play.

[Arian]

See, I, I, I think, I think we rest him. I think we rest in this series. Um, I mean, hamstrings.

[Big T]

What if there's not a next one?

[Arian]

Hamstrings. Because hamstrings are not like, you can't play through them. It'll just grab, and it won't let you extend your leg. And so it's better to err on the side of caution with those. When Jackson. Cheerio. Went down the first time, we went on, like, a crazy run. I'm not saying we don't need him. We're 1000% a better team with him in the lineup. I'm saying I think we can beat the Cubs without Jackson Churo. Although he's, I mean, he's, I think he went first three hits.

[Big T]

Just DH he had.

[Arian]

He had a double. That could be. Yeah, that could be. I didn't know that was an option. I'm still learning this, that the DH.

[Big T]

Is the guy who just hits.

[Arian]

I, I know design hitter is. I just didn't know that you could just come in and hit and that's all you had to do. I thought you had to play some kind of defense.

[Big T]

No, that's what, that's what I'm saying. That's what the DH is.

[Arian]

I'm sorry, Big T. Well, you said learning.

[Big T]

I know. I understand. But then you said you knew what it was.

[Arian]

No, I know what I know designated hitter means. I thought that means you just hit, like, for. I don't know. Yeah, that I'm unaware.

[Big T]

That is a guy in the lineup who only hits. But it can be. But teams use different guys in that. Most of them use different guys in that role.

[Arian]

I thought if you had to. I thought designated hitter was for, you know how, like, so, so Jackson Trier went out, right? He went. And they had a pinch hitter.

[Host]

Yeah, that's runner.

[Arian]

I'm sorry. So, So I thought, I thought I was like, okay, if somebody gets hurt, you can hit for him. You know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't know.

[Big T]

So, like, William Contreras, who's a really good hitter, obviously they don't want him catching 162 games because your knees would give out. So they'll. He'll DH every few days, and then he doesn't have to catch. He just hits. Then Yellich. They DH some nice. Switch it off.

[Arian]

Yeah. Yeah, man. We'll see, though. I'm excited.

[Host]

I'm excited.

[Arian]

I mean, that's how you open up a damn playoff series, though.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian]

I had people tweeting me because Peralta gave up that first home run. People tweeting me, oh, welcome to brewers playoff baseball. Next in. And we answer with, like, four, dog. And it just go, wow, wow, wow. The bats is hot. And this is what I love about this team. We won't be going yard like that. We just be playing, like, the scrappy ball. And I love it, dog.

[Big T]

They were the fun team. They were the first team ever, I think it was nine runs and 10 hits in the first two innings of a playoff game.

[Arian]

Wow.

[Big T]

Which was crazy because the Brave, several years ago, gave up 10 runs just in the first inning.

[Host]

That's great. Yeah.

[Big T]

But I went back and counted. It was on, like, four or five hits. There were a bunch of walks, and I think Freddie Freeman had an error.

[Arian]

And so how.

[Host]

So what.

[Arian]

What was crazy to me is they changed pictures in the first ending. They was like, no, get him out of here. I forget what buddy's name is. Boyer.

[Big T]

Maybe Matthew Boyd.

[Arian]

Boyd. Boyd. Yeah. They got him up out of the first ending, dog. That's. Is that rare? That seems to be rare.

[Big T]

First inning, yes. But in the playoffs, like, you don't have time to play around if a guy's just doesn't have it, like. And the regular season, he would have pitched four innings and just, you know, had to eat some of it. But you just don't have now. But then once you go down nine to one, it's kind of like, all right, they let Siroca pitch for a while, and then they brought in, like, Savali, I think, like, those. At that point, it's just like, go out there and.

[Arian]

But this is why I think we rest Jackson. Cheerio. Is because our strength is our bats. But it's kind of streaky. It goes up and down. Our strength is our pitching. Our pitching is amazing. And I really feel like who. Who we got on the mound today.

[Big T]

I would assume either Priester or see if it's.

[Arian]

If it's Priester, I'm extremely confident. And we. Nova's Ashby. Okay. I don't. I don't hate Ashby. I think he's good. I don't. I don't like that move right there. Because this is the best out of what, five? Five.

[Big T]

You win this one, you're. You're sitting pretty.

[Arian]

We're sitting in the driver's seat. Yeah.

[Big T]

Who do the Cubs have?

[Arian]

Shota really good Noga. What a dope ass name.

[Host]

Yeah, he's fun.

[Arian]

Yeah. This guy. He's not a Brewer. Give a. You thought I was gonna care about him because he has a cool name. Well, you thought wrong.

[Big T]

That guy also shout out to the brewers getting the. The primetime game over the Dodgers and Phillies. Yeah, that's big time.

[Host]

Pretty. Well, I. I don't.

[Arian]

Best team of baseball you talking about, dog?

[Big T]

I. I agree with you. I'm just telling you. Major League Baseball generally, if the Yankees were playing the. The brewers would be at 11am today.

[Host]

True.

[Arian]

You're right. You're right. You're not wrong.

[Host]

True. I also. I. I like. I like Philly at night.

[Big T]

It's still at night. I think it's at 6:00'.

[Host]

Clock. Okay. That's.

[Arian]

That's the team I'm worried about. I think we're gonna walk through this. This. This bracket. But Philly. Philly's like, I'm worried about.

[Host]

You're more worried about Philly than you are about the Dodgers.

[Arian]

Yeah, we swept the Dodgers. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but I'm saying, yeah, I think. I think we got the number.

[Host]

What about the people that are saying, hey, Aaron, you're looking ahead right now. You're up one game.

[Big T]

I don't like this.

[Host]

One game to nothing. And by the time this episode comes out, you might have already lost.

[Arian]

If Aryan's opinions have anything to do with the brewers winning or losing, we got bigger problems as humanity.

[Big T]

I agree.

[Host]

Butterfly effect.

[Big T]

But you don't want to be looking ahead, though.

[Arian]

I'm a planner, Big T. Everybody knows that about me.

[Host]

Yep. That's the thing about area.

[Big T]

That's the irony.

[Arian]

But, yeah, I'm just. I'm just telling you. I'm just. I'm just giving you my. When I see who's in the bracket, I like. When I saw the Cubs, I was like, it'll probably give us a little. A little. You know what I mean? A couple. Couple bows in the crowd. But I wasn't worried about the Cubs. I'm not worried about the Dodgers. But Philly, I. But that thing kind of. You know how I would have been worried about is if the Cubs lost to the Padres. That's what I've been worried about. I felt like the Padres just handle us for some reason. Yeah, but we ain't got to worry about it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Host]

Play of page. It's all about matchups and like the. The weird little nuggets and success that you've had against other teams. There was that one stat that was. Was. Was Kerry Carpenter. I think he's on the. On the Tigers, right?

[Big T]

Correct.

[Host]

And they put up a stat the other night when he was going up against the Mariners that was like, he's 5 for 11 lifetime against this one pitcher with five home runs.

[Big T]

Yeah, some guys, you just have their number like that.

[Host]

It's crazy. But, yeah. Arian, I'm looking forward to seeing you suffer and enjoy the fruits of victory as playoff baseball goes on.

[Arian]

It's a long game, baby.

[Host]

It is. Hey, everybody, it's Vibs. And this is my PSA to remind you that golf season is officially here. Whether you end up in the fairway or in the woods, fire up your round this spring with the official shot of golf. Fireball cinnamon whiskey. Slip a couple minis in your bag for you and the boys so that no matter how you hit them, you're still having a killer day out on the course.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Ignite the fair fairways with fireball cinnamon whiskey.

[Host]

Should we talk about. Very sad story that had a development.

[Big T]

Have to.

[Host]

So, Aaron, are you familiar with the. The Kyron Lacey story at all?

[Arian]

Yes.

[Host]

So, not.

[Arian]

Not like the details, but I was. I'm aware of what happened.

[Host]

The general outline is that he was. He was charged, I believe, with vehicular manslaughter, maybe like, failure to render aid, something like that, essentially. Charged with. With killing somebody.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

By driving recklessly. And then he took his own life very sadly. When was that? Like, January, December, last winter. And his lawyer at the memorial service was like, I got you. I. I'm gonna take care of you afterwards, Karen. Like, the facts are going to come out, and I'm not going to give up on this. The lawyer gave a very interesting interview. I don't know what channel it was on. It was like a podcast setting, but they were both wearing suits. I'm not sure exactly where this was, but he gave an interview and he presented his entire case, his evidence that he had collected and built up over the last, like, what, nine months or so. And it appears that it's pretty cut and dry that Kyron Lacey was driving a car that was behind the accident, like, quite a distance behind the accident when it happened, like, he was a hundred yards away from the crash, behind it. And then for whatever reason, the cops in this case coached some of the witnesses to say that Kyron Lacey's car caused this accident. And it's on body camera. Like, you can. You can see the cop coaching a witness and being like, make sure to say that. That you had to get out of the way of this car. Like, he told him what to write, and then the guy apparently didn't even sign his name to it and indicated on the paper that it was like, what, falsified or not falsified, but not his legitimate thoughts on the witness statement. So there's going to be a lot of fallout, I would imagine, for that police department.

[Big T]

I mean, has to be. I. I just don't understand, like, how long have they had this? Because this is what, eight, nine months ago now.

[Host]

I guess Freedom of Information act stuff takes a while for. And the cops are probably trying to not release some of this.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

But, yeah, it's. It's super, super sad what happened. And I'm interested to see where it goes from here because it seems like a really, really up thing that the. That the police did and they made it very public that they were like, this is our guy. He did this. And the guy that died, unfortunately, he was, I think, like a Marine. Like a former Marine, something like that, I think.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Host]

And so they turned it into this, like, whole thing and pinned it all in Kyron Lacey, which is complete. It looks like it was complete and total. And it ended, like, very tragically for him, too. So, yeah, hopefully they'll be able to. To do something about that with the police department.

[Big T]

Good for that lawyer.

[Host]

Yeah, he did it. He did a very good job of explaining it. And like, that's a. That's a guy that you would want in your corner as an attorney, right? It does. Let's see, what else do we have to get to today, Big T, I.

[Big T]

Think that was most.

[Host]

Are you teed off about anything?

[Big T]

I had another football one and I didn't write it down. Talk about something.

[Arian]

I watched one more game. I watched the Bucks and the Seahawks and it's rare that I'm like, impressed by offensive coordinator. Everybody runs the same, right? The Buccaneers offensive coordinator is. I fucking love this dude. I absolutely love this dude. I forget his name, but he. His play calling and his offensive sets and format. I love the way this dude runs offense. I'm a fan of him.

[Host]

Yeah, that was a really fun game to watch, too.

[Arian]

That was a fun. It was a dope game to watch.

[Host]

Great uniforms.

[Arian]

That's. Yes, bro. Aesthetically pleasing. They had both throwbacks on. That was beautiful. Love that.

[Host]

Josh Grizzard is his name.

[Arian]

That man is. He got a. He got a fan of Me, I think he's going to be a great coach. How long has he been. I don't even know nothing about him. I, I've never watched the Bucks.

[Host]

The man is from Lizard Lick, North Carolina.

[Big T]

Love that.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Host]

And he went to, he went to Yale and then got his masters at Duke.

[Big T]

Now I did. This guy played football.

[Host]

Probably at some point he played football at Yale.

[Big T]

We're getting too many Ivy League data analytics guys in football. And I love, I love strategy. I love being the best football team you can be. And if those are the guys who can do it, by all means. But I just, I feel like we're getting a little too into the weeds with that.

[Host]

The offenses are more exciting, but at what cost?

[Big T]

And I love that. I'm just saying at some point we may look up and it happens gradually.

[Host]

And then suddenly we don't have any men left.

[Big T]

I didn't say it. I'm just saying this is football.

[Host]

Yeah. Too many dorks in football. Not yet, but, but just keep your eye on it. Yeah, yeah, keep your eye on it. I agree with that. I like a certain amount of my football to be populated by just total, complete meatheads.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

Yeah. But yeah, this guy, he's smart. He went to Yale, he went to Duke, then he coached for the Dolphins for a while and then came over to Tampa Bay in 2024. The problem with if you're, if you're Baker's offensive coordinator is that every off season you're, you're going to go somewhere else. Like Baker's not going to have a guy stick around for a couple years. At some point we just need to be like, hey, maybe Baker's really good at football.

[Big T]

Is anyone denying that?

[Host]

They did deny for a long time, sure.

[Big T]

But I mean, he was also bouncing around as a backup from team to team.

[Arian]

It's not, yeah, he had a couple rough years. I mean, he wasn't playing. But I think he's really good right now. I, I, I was watching his pose and what I like about him, he got yellow dog in him, you know, I mean, I have my thing against quarterbacks who slide and talk shit. I got, I got a feeling about that. But other than that, he'll, he'll, he'll bark at you, he'll chirp at you. And I like my quarterback to talk shit. I hate the, the old fashioned, like take the higher road quarterbacks. Fuck all that. I need if we gonna be in a trenches with me, man, we gotta bang together.

[Host]

Yeah, I, I agree with you. If you slide and then you get clipped as you slide and then you get up and you get in a guy's face. Not really a fan of that. But Baker also tries to run people over sometimes. He's gotten a little bit better about that ever since he got. He got banged up when he was with the Browns.

[Big T]

You know what, what team you need to watch, Arian, you need to watch Georgia Tech play because their quarterback uses his body as a battering ram. He doesn't even, he doesn't even pretend to try to throw the football. He just runs it every play and tries to run over people.

[Arian]

Yeah. My best friend coaches for them. One of my best friend.

[Big T]

Nice.

[Arian]

Anthony Parker.

[Big T]

Ask him about Haynes King. Haynes King. I don't know how he is able to play every week.

[Arian]

I'm gonna look at him.

[Host]

Aaron, what do you got going on this week?

[Arian]

This week I just got my new wedges, woods and hybrids in. I'm waiting on my irons. My driver came and so I'm adjusting to that. And so I got a couple golf matches set up. Big money golf matches out here. And that's about it, man. It's my daughter's fall break, so we're vibing and I was going to go on a vacation, but I'm so dedicated to this podcast that I said, nah, baby, we can't travel. We got, we got to stay here. We got to feed the people.

[Host]

I appreciate that.

[Arian]

So. Yeah, no doubt.

[Host]

That's very big of you. Big T. What's, what's the state of Tennessee football right now? It's a big week for you.

[Big T]

Good. Got had a bye week. I'm a little concerned that Bobby Petrino, they also had a buy. Is going to come out with a little razzle dazzle. I think they might have a little dead cat bounce to them.

[Host]

Do you think that Bobby Petrino is just going to take over that program? Not let it go? He's like, you're not going to hire anybody.

[Big T]

I mean, he did immediately fire all their defensive coaches as well.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So he does seem to think he's the head coach.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Yeah, I guess we'll see. Talk to Bobby Bones this week. He, he, he does. He said they don't like have the talent to beat Tennessee, which is probably should be true. But like Bobby, they're going to have two or three trick plays that we need to be ready for.

[Host]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm, man, I'm excited about this slate. This is a great slated college football, great week.

[Big T]

These, these are the weeks for why we do It.

[Host]

This is great.

[Arian]

Lay it on me.

[Host]

What it is. We got. We got Red River, Texas, Oklahoma. That's always good.

[Big T]

Please say shootout.

[Host]

Red River. S out.

[Big T]

Don't let it be erased from history.

[Host]

I actually wasn't trying to erase it. I, I just refer if you.

[Big T]

But now Texas.

[Host]

A lot of times you call it Red river, but yeah, now you have.

[Big T]

To make a point.

[Host]

I got to make a point. The Red River Shootout.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

Which is always a good game or usually good game, no matter if, like, a team is ranked or not. It's just, it's fun.

[Big T]

Arian, what if I told you There's a top 10 matchup this week between Oregon and the University of Indiana?

[Arian]

I, I'm. I would believe you. I've seen Indiana. They ball the last couple years. They've been kind of on.

[Big T]

I think they're better this year than last year.

[Arian]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Missouri, Alabama. There's one more big one.

[Arian]

I saw. I saw Penn State lost the ucla.

[Big T]

Yes, they did. Ucla, who had not led for a second of football this season, which included losses to the University of New Mexico and who else Crib. They lost to another group of five school, I think. And they went out there, fired their coach, and they had Nico looking like the best quarterback in the country. So credit to Jerry Newheisel and who's the interim head coach. I apologize for forgetting.

[Arian]

Is he playing. Is the ex Kennedy quarterback play?

[Big T]

Yeah. And he had looked like dog for the first four weeks and then looked unbelievable on Saturday. Had five touchdowns.

[Arian]

Nice.

[Big T]

Yeah, they're. I hate that.

[Arian]

Huh?

[Big T]

Huh?

[Arian]

You kind of hate that how you see your ex with a little. Nice little boot thing. You don't like that?

[Big T]

No, I, I thought it was hilarious that they beat Penn State. And also he's looked. I, I again, 1% of me still wants to feel bad for him because he's clearly listening to people who do not have his best interest at heart. I just can't get there. But good for him. They won. They won a game. Wait, I think it was.

[Host]

You weren't rooting for UCLA because of the Nico factor.

[Big T]

I didn't. I wasn't rooting for them. I think it's funny that they won. I didn't. I don't care one way or the other. Like, we have an awesome quarterback. We're really good. He made a poor choice. Sorry about it. Best of luck. I think he probably, like, may have saved his NFL aspirations with that game. Like, things were going downhill quickly.

[Host]

Yeah, it was crazy because UCLA Bloodman was telling me this. They hadn't had a lead all year.

[Big T]

Correct. Had not led for one second, much.

[Host]

Less won a game.

[Big T]

And then they.

[Host]

They had not been ahead in any game.

[Big T]

And then they did not trail against Penn State.

[Host]

That's crazy. What do you think this means for. For James Franklin?

[Big T]

I. I wrote that. It is. It's over. Just whatever form that takes. I don't know if you can't fire him. Anybody that thinks they can fire him, they can't. He's owed $56 million. Even if you wanted to. That puts you behind the eight ball tremendously in an era where you have to pay your players. He's not going to be fired. Now, do they make it remarkably uncomfortable for him for the rest of this year and maybe encourage him to seek employment elsewhere? Certainly could be a choice.

[Host]

How can you do that? What are some ways.

[Big T]

There are. There are power brokers who can put pressure on coaches to maybe listen, we love you mean it. But it's. It's time to maybe. Maybe go elsewhere.

[Host]

So I feel like the. The easiest way to do that would be like withholding nil money, but then that just makes the team worse.

[Big T]

Yeah. I don't think it's anything like maybe they get rid of assistance. I don't know exactly what form that takes, but there are ways that they can try to. Maybe they try to negotiate a reduced buyout. I don't know why he'd do that, but maybe that's part of it. And there are schools out there. If you're James Franklin, you can. I don't know how much he makes. Eight, nine, $10 million. Go make seven at Virginia Tech where they will love you for. For a decade and then this will probably happen again. And then you can go somewhere else. Just keep. If you can win nine or 10 games a year, they're going to like you for a while. And then you wear out your welcome after 10 years or so, and then you go do it at one more school and then you retire with $100 million. Like there are pretty good. Yeah.

[Host]

Pretty good gig.

[Big T]

But it's very evident that the James Franklin experiment. They're never going to win anything. Last year is probably as good as it can possibly get for them.

[Host]

That's the top. Yeah, they were very good last year.

[Big T]

They were pretty good. That's Penn State. Pretty good.

[Host]

I. They were at the top of their powers. It was like they were in the national championship discussion till the very end.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

That's pretty good for them.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

The playoff help.

[Big T]

They were pretty good.

[Host]

Yeah. There's another college story that Big T, you've been all over unc.

[Big T]

Interesting one.

[Host]

Yeah. First of all, let me know if anybody out there went to the ludicrous concert that started at 9:30 in the morning.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

Right before UNC versus Clemson. Clemson kicked the shit out of UNC on Saturday.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

It was a final score.

[Big T]

I think it was 38 to 10. But it wasn't that close.

[Host]

It wasn't. And UNC looks. Looks bad. They look like a program that's just not. They just don't know how to play football. It doesn't look like they have a head coach.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

But it turns out their head coach is Bill Belichick and things are going off the rails. Then there was a story that in Belichick's ongoing feud and his divorce with the Patriots, he's not allowing UNC to post anything related to the Patriots on social media, namely anything pro. Drake May. Because Drake May obviously went to unc, was a star quarterback there, was then drafted by the Patriots, who's now playing very well in the NFL, and he instructed. Or his circle. Can we call it a circle?

[Big T]

The report was that there was a directive from somewhere in the football department that there is to be no mention of the New England Patriots.

[Host]

I don't know if it's a circle, if it's two dots connected by one straight line, but people around Belichick have told the social media team, don't post anything about Patriots players.

[Big T]

I think it's not just social media. Like nobody is to mention the Patriots in any capacity.

[Host]

But then they did. UNC did post a picture of Drake May.

[Big T]

So that report came out this morning, I think at like 7am and then at 9, they finally posted one video of Drake May from last night.

[Host]

Got it.

[Big T]

After having posted nothing when their one good recruiting tool, they have went on the road, beat the best team in the NFL and looked awesome.

[Host]

I would love to know what that conversation looked like.

[Big T]

I assume there was probably a crisis meeting of some sort this morning.

[Host]

Yes, a crisis meeting.

[Big T]

Someone please find one video.

[Host]

Now. Do you think that. Do you think that Belichick was involved in that crisis meeting?

[Big T]

I don't know.

[Host]

Or do you think they went rogue? They were like, hey, we. We have to think this is bad because if. If this was a rogue post, Bill's not going to take kindly to that.

[Big T]

I think you'll know in short order.

[Host]

If that was rogue. I think you will. I think. And it's not like Bill is scouring Facebook, but I think he probably has People that are.

[Big T]

He would be alerted, that are close.

[Host]

To him, that would pass that information along swiftly.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think someone probably told him, like, hey, we gotta. We gotta put up one video of Drake.

[Host]

Maybe that would be.

[Big T]

Because now. But. But now you're in a lose lose, where every comment under that is like, oh, now you do it.

[Host]

Like, I could see this actually developing into a bigger thing, which. If Bill was unaware after. After his. His posse gave the orders not to post anything Patriots related, if the UNC staff went rogue and then Bill finds out from whoever his source might be that monitors social media that's close to him, someone that's more young and in touch with how people are consuming those types of things, they're not going to be happy at all that UNC went behind their backs.

[Big T]

I would imagine he was involved.

[Host]

Now if Bill was involved, I wonder if Bill then had to sell that to his team, his hypothetical team. I don't. Again, don't know who that would be. And if that started a fight between them.

[Big T]

What's the worst tweet in the last 24 hours? UNC waiting till Monday morning to post one video of Drake May or James Franklin on Sunday tweeting game week. Let's go one. And. Oh, Northwestern, Northwestern, Northwestern.

[Host]

Wait, what?

[Big T]

So he posts every Sunday. He's like, it's game week. Nittany Nation.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Time to go one. And. Oh, and then the opponent's name three times.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And. And they got boat race by ucla, the worst team in college football. And on Sunday morning, he posted time for Northwestern. Oh, my God. And the comments were even more incredible than you can imagine.

[Host]

Well, what's worse? Him making that post or him very clearly not making the post?

[Big T]

Making it.

[Host]

Really?

[Big T]

Yeah, I think so.

[Host]

What about when teams don't post the final score?

[Big T]

I do hate that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

But this, you just know, like, you just take a week off, dude. It's fine.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Also, that's the coach, not the official team account.

[Host]

True.

[Big T]

Because the coach is getting more personal vitriol for that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Clemson people are asking if the downfall of the Clemson football program stems from not posting the final score from the 2022 Orange Bowl. Still haven't posted it.

[Host]

I was unaware. I'd forgotten about that. I remember that being a scandal at the time, but there's a lot of stuff that's come across my desk in the last three years and that's fallen off.

[Big T]

But if you look at. That's when things really started to go downhill.

[Host]

If you're dabo, dabo as Dave says if you're Dabo Sweeney, what's, what's the next step for you? It feels like this is maybe the, in getting there at the end of the line with Clemson.

[Arian]

He's like one of those political Congress guys, right?

[Host]

He'll run for office somewhere. I could see that.

[Big T]

I could see that.

[Host]

I could definitely see that.

[Big T]

He'd make a good politician too.

[Host]

I hate that you just put that out in the universe that we're in.

[Arian]

I hate him so.

[Big T]

Well, speaking of guys, the Paul Feinbaum story.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Breaking today.

[Host]

Paul Feinbaum me and Big T were talking about a little bit before we went on the air. Feinbaum potentially running for Senate in Alabama. He's allegedly been banned from appearing on ESPN shows which.

[Big T]

Which was reported by Clay Travis. It was at the ESPN pr. Vice president comes out and immediately says this is patently false.

[Host]

Patently.

[Big T]

And then on three confirms the report.

[Host]

Yes.

[Big T]

So it does seem like that's probably true.

[Host]

So the way that I've seen the story framed so far is that he's being banned from ESPN because he's a Republican. Now. I don't, I, again, this is, I'm, I'm just guessing. This is me like trying to put together a story on the fly, which I usually don't like to do. But this is such a ridiculous story where it's Paul Feinbaum running for United States Senate that I'm just going to, I'm going to go ahead and speculate. I know a little bit about how things happen at ESPN and the behind the scenes stuff. My guess is that ESPN has told their employees, do not go on competitor shows, do not go on other sports networks to do shows. And you see some of that with the Netflix Christmas Game, where last year they were just like asking people who already had jobs at other employers, hey, we'll pay you a lot of money to do the NFL game on Netflix. Now ESPN is like honestly kind of smartening up from a business sense and saying we shouldn't just like loan out our top talent to help our competitors. And they said, okay, you're not allowed to appear on any of these types of shows anymore. I'm pretty sure they have one of those rules in place as well for outkick. And I think by Paul Feinbaum going on that show, I think that's what triggered ESPN to say, either we're going to suspend you or like whatever, whatever they told him. And then I just think they didn't tell their vice president pr, who's now.

[Big T]

Looking like a clown, which feels Very odd.

[Host]

It does feel very odd. But the way things work at ESPN is usually like the vice president, pr. They. They bring you in when they have to. And so sometimes that would feel like.

[Big T]

A situation you'd have to.

[Host]

If Pitaro is having a conversation with Fein Bomb, I think that it would. It would get to PR quickly, but probably not as quickly as Fine Bomb would then go to Outkick and say, hey, I've been banned. Maybe that might be the first call that Fine Bomb makes.

[Big T]

Probably.

[Host]

Pitaro probably has to alert like a few other vice presidents and then pr. That's my guess. Again, I don't know. I have no inside information about this in this specific case. That's my guess as to what happened. But this is good for Fein Bomb, I think, for his political chances.

[Big T]

Another source has confirmed to WBRC in Birmingham, Alabama, that Paul Feinbaum has had his appearances on ESPN programming canceled. Who do you think that source was? Seems like this might be the same source that's calling all these people to confirm the report.

[Host]

I think it's probably the same source.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

I think it's probably a pretty good source.

[Big T]

Yeah. Pretty close to it, I'd say. I think.

[Host]

I'd say so. I don't think it has anything to do with Paul Feinbaum saying, I'm a conservative.

[Big T]

I think there are other plausible explanations, but I don't think that's out of the question as being part of it.

[Host]

Because the one thing ESPN cares about is they care about making money.

[Big T]

I think it is a confluence of him going on an Outkick show to make this announcement.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Big T]

The announcement itself and the fact that he seems like he might not be particularly thrilled with ESPN at the moment.

[Host]

Yes. I would say that he probably. It was an antagonistic move by Fine Bomb to do this on Outkick, knowing the relationship that they have with espn, whether he's like, going into another contract or the. I don't know where he's at with his. His career and. And when that's going to be up for negotiation. But I think that that was a calculated move that Fein Bomb pulled. One, to, I think primarily to get the word out there to his target audience. And then two, as an added bonus, kind of like just jabbing ESPN a little bit. And then I think ESPN is now in a pissing match with him and they're like, no, we're the big dick here. We're espn. You don't get to disobey us. And then now it's going to become a whole story.

[Big T]

He signed A multi year extension last August.

[Host]

Okay.

[Big T]

I think he's got a run now.

[Host]

Yeah, he's burning the boats.

[Big T]

Like, let's go.

[Host]

This is a burn the boats move.

[Big T]

Then he can go work it out. Kick. If he loses.

[Host]

Yeah, he's probably going to win. I think he's going to. Did you hear what. What Lane Kiffin said about Fine Bomb?

[Big T]

No.

[Host]

Yeah. On part of my take, he was like, yeah, if that gets him out of my hair, then, yeah, I'm happy that he's running for Senate. More power to him.

[Big T]

Well, you know their history, don't you?

[Host]

I don't know. Was that the Joey Freshwater thing?

[Big T]

I don't know about that, but Fine Bomb had words about Kiffin when he was at usc.

[Host]

Oh, yeah. Something like. And that sort of thing.

[Big T]

And kind of. I think Kiffin at one point, like, blamed him for him being fired at usc.

[Host]

Really?

[Big T]

Yeah, they did. I think they patched things up a little bit, but they did not have a great relationship.

[Host]

Arian, do. Are you familiar with the lore of Paul Feinbaum and Harvey Updike?

[Arian]

Nah.

[Host]

It's one of my favorite sports stories of all time. All right, so you know Fein Bomb, right? We've talked about Fine Bomb. He's.

[Arian]

You mentioned him. I'm pretty sure.

[Host]

I know if I see he's known for having the funniest and also insanest callers that will call into a show and just yell about they should fire their coaches on like Mondays after college football is over. It's a great show. I. I used to listen to it before it was like simulcast on espn, all that stuff. It's just, it's very entertaining to just hear people, like crazy fans call them up and yell. Now the, The Harvey Updike story. I want to get this right. So Harvey Updike was an Alabama Crimson Tide fan.

[Big T]

Correct.

[Host]

And Harvey Updike was upset because Auburn beat Alabama.

[Big T]

I believe this was after the 2010. The scam Newton, the Cam back. Yeah, Bama was up big. Cam Newton led a huge comeback. They went on to win the national championship.

[Host]

Yeah. So Cam Newton, or as. As Alabama fans would call him Scam Newton because he got paid when he was in college and that's.

[Big T]

That's way less than he'd be paid.

[Arian]

We all did. Yeah, we all did.

[Host]

Alabama wasn't doing that. So. So after Cam Newton beats Alabama, Harvey Updike calls into the Paul Finebaum show and he says, well, I had the last laugh because I just went to Toomer's Corner and I just poured poison on all them oaks. Now Toomer's Corner is a place at Auburn where they like celebrate everything. It's. They throw like toilet papers over the trees there. They call it rolling. The oaks, the oak trees. It's like a very special place for. For Auburn fans. And Harvey Updike calls Paul Fine Bomb to announce that he is poured. I forget what type of poison it was. It's a very specific tree poison that he happened to have on him. But he drove to Auburn multiple hours. I forget where he lived, but it was like a long road trip that he made.

[Big T]

I remember the, the name he called into the show as was Al from Dadeville.

[Host]

Al from Dadeville. Pretty sure that is a great.

[Big T]

That was his alias.

[Host]

That was a great alias. And he said confessed to poisoning all these oaks. And sure enough, he did poison a lot of the oaks. And a lot of them had to be cut down like ancient. I'm not ancient, but like, you know, very old historic oak trees. And then he got arrested and they caught him after the fact. And then, yeah, it just became like a. An Alabama legend. But that, that's the only. That's the only show that that could happen on. It's. It's good for college football.

[Arian]

I've never heard of that.

[Big T]

Went to prison for a little while, I believe.

[Host]

Yeah, I'm pulling up the. The story right now. He poured herbicide. Al from Dadeville. Yep. Oh, they were. They were century old oak trees at tumor's Corner. And so he was arrested. He pleaded guilty to felony criminal damage and he went to jail. He was owed 800 or he owed 800,000 restitution and he paid less than $100 towards that fine. College football, baby. It's the only place you can get a story like that. Also when I give a shout out, this is a. An advertisement, but it's also a personal endorsement. Big T, you'll join me in this one. Sax underwear.

[Big T]

You should just play the audio from when you walked in here and told me how right I was.

[Host]

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[Big T]

Yep.

[Host]

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[Big T]

Yeah.

[Host]

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[Big T]

Aaron, we have some here for you. We gotta send them to you.

[Host]

I feel supported, man.

[Arian]

Let me know. Let me send it to.

[Host]

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[Big T]

That's a nice little design you got there.

[Host]

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[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I don't think so. Like, I've thought about it when I'm bored, but I've never actually attempted to try it whatsoever. Yeah, I've never, like, gotten the knitting itch. Knitting or like, needle pointing is kind of a big trend now. I have. I have started to get the itch for needle pointing but knitting now.

[Host]

And I was trying to trace back where this new, like, uptick in knitting interest came from because I was like, this is. Is this an industry plant thing? What's going on? But Jennifer Garner is actually taking up a strong interest in knitting and needle pointing, and she's been very public about it. And ever since Jennifer Garner got interested in it, then everybody else all of a sudden start to pay attention. Aaron, have you paid attention to that at all?

[Arian]

No, I'm not. I'm unaware of the knitting frenzy going on.

[Host]

Are you a Jennifer Garner fan.

[Arian]

Castmate? You know what I mean?

[Host]

Oh, yeah, that's right. What's she like?

[Arian]

I didn't. I shook her hand. I didn't really meet her like that. Sure, she's cool.

[Host]

You guys in any scenes together?

[Arian]

There was a deleted scene at the end we were in, but it never made the. The cut.

[Host]

What were you doing?

[Arian]

You all right, man? It's getting a little.

[Host]

I'm just curious.

[Arian]

Getting a little weird, man.

[Host]

I'm just curious.

[Arian]

It was. We were celebrating Sunny Sonny's drafts picks. It was me, Chad and Kevin Costner and Jennifer Gardner. It's a draft party.

[Host]

Sounds really nice.

[Arian]

What's up, man? Good.

[Host]

Sounds like a really nice person. I'm good. Are you good?

[Arian]

I'm straight. Are you straight?

[Host]

Oh, I know you're straight. Trust me.

[Arian]

No, no, brother, it did not go down. Brother, don't be disrespecting Jennifer Garner like that.

[Host]

Oh, okay. All right. I'll stay with you.

[Big T]

Rather protect.

[Host]

I'll stay away from Boo.

[Arian]

That's crazy work. Mint is still 15amonth for premium wireless. And if you haven't made the switch.

[Big T]

Yet, here are 15 reasons why you should. One, it's $15 a month. Two, seriously, it's $15 a month. Three, no big contracts. Four, I use it. Five, my mom uses it. Are you, are you playing me off? That's what's on going happening, right? Okay, give it a try.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Host]

Yeah, that's really the story I want to get into was knitting. I was very interested about knitting. So we just consider that topic discussed. There was one other thing though, last week. Do you see the AI video of Sam Altman?

[Big T]

Yes.

[Host]

These are getting.

[Arian]

Before you get into the the specific, these are getting. Who wants this dog? Nobody wants the cabal. This is, it's getting out of hand, bro. It's almost like I just seen one Kobe Bryant streaming him playing 2K Thomas and yo, Skippity Chat. What's going on?

[Host]

Chat. Come on.

[Big T]

I saw one doing it of Mark Sanchez this morning talking about his incident and you could tell it was AI but I think we're 10. I think in 10 years you will not be able to tell, like genuinely, you'll have no idea if something's real or not.

[Host]

So the good news is because I think we've been pretty, pretty consistent about our takes on AI, that there's just so much bad that can happen with it and Nobody's asking for 99 of it. And that AI is like, everyone keeps saying it's the, it's going to change all these industries. And in order to fund AI, you have to have a potential business case for it at some point.

[Arian]

Right?

[Host]

But the business cases for AI have appeared to be like staggeringly weak. Like all these companies are like, yeah, we're, we're losing tons of money investing in AI right now. Nobody likes it. It makes a lot of errors. And if you make small errors in the job that it's assigned to do, it ends up costing your company money. It's a product that's not ready for business use at this, at this stage. And so now companies are starting to scale back on their investments in AI Meaning that these giant companies that have invested billions of dollars into like data centers, the technology behind it, software developers. Now their funding is starting to look a little bit dicey to them because they told the people that were loaning them money that they're going to get billions of dollars in return on the back end once all businesses start to use it. And that appears to not be happening at the pace that they thought it was going to happen. So it might, I'm for the first time in a while I'm like a little bit hopeful. Oh, I don't know that some of the AI companies will start to go away a little bit.

[Big T]

Start to start to what they're making. They're the most valuable companies on the planet.

[Host]

They're the most valuable companies because investors say that they're the most valuable.

[Big T]

Okay. They give them that tails off by 20% which is a massive number. They're still in the most valuable companies in the world.

[Host]

They could be, but I feel like it's going to be cascading effect because in order for them to actually be a solvent business, they have to have customers that are paying them instead of just getting money from investors. Right.

[Big T]

Eventually.

[Host]

Because eventually the investors are going to pull back on their investments. They're not going to get returns. The company is going to be in financial trouble because they've, they've taken all that money and they've gone probably. I actually don't know the financials so I won't speculate on that. But they've, they're very forward looking, the AI companies are. So they're making lots of investments into all this infrastructure and then if they don't have any money coming at all, then they'll have to dial back on their infrastructure or maybe they'll be in a bad financial situation as well and have to sell themselves off piecemeal.

[Arian]

I don't know.

[Host]

For the first time in a while.

[Big T]

I think you're being remarkably optimistic.

[Host]

Well, I've been very, very pessimistic about it. And so I think like any small bit of good news I think is, is great for me just my mental state about it. But yeah, the video that Sam Alt of Sam Altman in a like a Target or Walgreens or something like that where he's shoplifting.

[Big T]

Yeah, like that one. You could tell. But I mean we're getting closer.

[Host]

It was very, very close.

[Arian]

I saw Tupac, I Saw Tupac walking with Eminem in what looked like a Costa Rica vibe. Not Eminem. I'm sorry. Bruce Lee. Tupac walking with Bruce Lee. He said, hey, y', all, look who I just. I sound just like him. And then he was rapping, riding in a convertible top with Bruce Lee. And whoever wrote it kind of has bars because it sounded cold. Knew it wasn't packed, though, because he had a very. A much more simplistic rhyme scheme. But, yeah, it's just. Nobody likes that. And to your point, I don't see, like, how is this going to be profitable aside from maybe the movie industries, but even they're kind of dying as well.

[Host]

But there was that. The AI Actress that's taking. Taking the Internet by storm according to her marketing team.

[Arian]

Nobody really likes it. That's what I'm saying. I haven't really. I don't see a big market for this. I just see artists getting pissed off and, like, it's for trolling. Trolling and pissing off artists. That's all I see is utility for. I hate it.

[Host]

It is. It is a very valuable tool for the trolls, though. You have to admit that.

[Arian]

Facts. Yeah, I actually used. I actually used it a little bit.

[Host]

Really.

[Arian]

So I'm at. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I do a lot of golfing out here with Clyde Drexler.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Arian]

And. And me and my buddy who used to play for the Chargers, it'd be. It'd be him versus one of my other homeboys. We all coughed together, and so we up on him 2. 1. And he was like, yo, he's basically talking shit. He. That. This. This. This match was in the. In the. It's already in the bag. And so I did an AI version of Clyde Drexler. Count as chickens before they hatch. And it's him in a Portland Trailblazers jersey just counting chickens. Yeah. But other than that, it has no utility. Two chuckles here and there.

[Host]

I agree. It is. You're right. The people that are getting the most out of it right now are just people who want to piss people off online. And if you're actually trolling Sam Altman by putting him into a shoplifting video, I think that's. That's a good way to use it, I think. Make as many embarrassing videos of Sam Altman Elon Musk as you possibly can. The people that are actually, like, calling the shots on all this. By the way, did you see the Sam Altman interview with Tucker? It was very funny.

[Big T]

Have you seen any clips very recently?

[Host]

I think so. I saw it recently. He basically, like, just accused Sam Altman of murdering a guy. And then.

[Big T]

And then.

[Host]

And then Sam got very, like, nervous about it and was like, this is very awkward. I don't know. I don't know any of the background behind the story.

[Arian]

It was like, oh, I forget. It's wild. That was a while ago, right?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Arian]

Basically, Sam Alton got a accused of, like, murdering, like, one of the dudes that allegedly started up open AI and it's like a deep Internet conspiracy theory about how there was a guy that he's either whistleblowing or he started it or something like that, and that Sam Altman got him. Got him offed.

[Host]

Well, okay. According to AI Claims regarding Sam Altman's death and murder are false. There's conspiracy theories that have been amplified by Elon and Tucker Carlson. Should we. You want to do that on Thursday's episode?

[Big T]

Sure.

[Arian]

Which. Which one?

[Host]

The Sam Altman murder conspiracy.

[Arian]

If it's juicy enough, if there's enough details to, like, go into, it's like, incredible.

[Big T]

Tucker thinks there are.

[Host]

We'll look into it down, though. All right, well, we will see you guys on Thursday. Until then, love you guys.