The Business Plot: Coup or Conspiracy Theory? | March 26, 2026

Summary

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Macrodosing — "The Business Plot: Coup or Conspiracy Theory?"

Episode Date: March 26, 2026
Hosts: Mad Dog McKenzie, Chaps, Chief, Uncle Dave
Podcast: Barstool Sports

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a lesser-known chapter of American history: the Business Plot, a 1930s conspiracy where wealthy industrialists allegedly plotted a coup against President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR). The crew unpacks the details behind the plot, the enigmatic General Smedley Butler at its center, and the wild political atmosphere of Depression-era America. Along the way, expect tangents on video game habits, generational political shifts, the quirks of travel and AI, and the modern relevance (or disappearance) of military celebrity.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Catching Up and Table Setting

Timestamps: 02:11–15:43

• The crew notes today’s lineup (no PFT or Arian, both out for this recording).
• Light, playful opening banter about bluffs, geography, and traveling to places like Arkansas and Hawaii.
• Extended riffing on celebrity attractiveness (Kristen Bell vs. Mila Kunis vs. Anne Hathaway), with a running debate about what it means to be an "all-timer."
  • "Anne Hathaway is an all-timer? I think she's like, classically beautiful." – Chaps (10:29)
• Pop culture talk: movie references, hall pass lists, and Jason Segel’s infamous scene in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall."

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2. News and Pop Culture Tangents

Timestamps: 15:43–39:03

• Puka Nacua in the News:

  • Serious allegations discussed with some skepticism and jokes about biting incidents and Seinfeld references.
  • "Great receiver, just seems to be in the news for some problem stuff recently." – Mad Dog (16:59)

• Seinfeld vs. Curb Your Enthusiasm:

  • Debated whether Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld is the better main character and their styles of comedy.

• "Dinner With 3 People" Thought Experiment:

  • Riffs on Dodgers pitcher Tyler Glasnow’s viral “Jesus, Muhammad, Dave Chappelle” answer.
  • "You live stream that. Tell me that doesn't go insane." – Chief (22:16)
  • Extended back-and-forth about which three celebrities/historical figures they’d invite, and dinner logistics with Jesus.

• Video Games & Movies:

  • "I'm more of a video game guy. I don't do a ton of movies." – Mad Dog (30:03)
  • Tales of PS5 theft and secondary market purchases, building up to a compare/contrast of gaming vs. movie buff habits.

• Addiction, Routines, and Sleep:

  • Crew shares their personal routines for falling asleep (audiobooks, TikTok, podcasts).
  • Discussion about the addictive nature of TikTok and apps reading keystrokes.
  • "Doom scroll to your sleep." – Mad Dog (43:07)

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3. AI, Tech, and Changing Daily Life

Timestamps: 46:30–63:37

• Apple Maps Adds Ads:
  • Rant about big tech companies inserting more ads into paid products.
  • Reminiscing over MapQuest and its old-school sponsored routing.
• The Fate of MapQuest and Corporate Tech Histories:
  • "AOL bought MapQuest in the year 2000 for 1.1 billion." – Chaps (49:14)
• Sora and AI Usage Stats:
  • The OpenAI video platform Sora is suddenly shuttered, prompting speculation.
  • "OpenAI uses more than New York City and San Diego combined." – Chief (54:08)
  • AI’s power and water consumption, as well as its creeping omnipresence discussed, with humor and some serious concern.
• Trades vs. Tech Jobs:
  • Running joke about trades like plumbing outlasting AI jobs. Joking business pitch for a women-only plumbing service.

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4. America's Place in the World & Economic Freedoms

Timestamps: 79:00–86:21

• US Global Rankings Tangent:

  • Heritage Foundation’s Economic Freedom Index—U.S. only ranks in the 20s.
  • Scandinavian countries are held up as models of high happiness and social security despite higher tax burdens.

• Social Policy Abroad:

  • Intriguing examples of policies that encourage higher birth rates, like monetary grants in Hungary.

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5. Main Story: The Business Plot

Timestamps: 67:37–101:23

Origins and Players

• Smedley Butler:

  • Legendary Marine general, two-time Medal of Honor recipient, called “the ideal American soldier” by Teddy Roosevelt.
  • Butler’s book, "War is a Racket," is cited as formative for veteran affairs and antiwar views.
  • "If you’re in the Marines, I’m sure you hear about him... Chesty, John Basilone, Smedley." – Chief (73:51)

• Gerald McGuire & The Wall Street Conspirators:

  • McGuire, a bond salesman and Wall Street type, returns from fascist Europe inspired by Mussolini and Hitler.
  • Allegedly approaches Butler to lead a plot to overthrow FDR—possibly with financing from DuPont, JP Morgan, and (speculatively) Prescott Bush.

The Plot Itself

• Butler is asked to front a new “Liberty League” at an American Legion conference, recruit military men, and organize a coup or “civic action” to oust FDR.

• Butler exposes the plan to Congress rather than participate.

• "They bet on the wrong horse." – Chaps (73:31)

• Historic context: the 1930s were rife with political extremism, economic hardship, and flirtations with authoritarianism, even in the US.

Legacy and Why It's Forgotten

• The event is mostly buried in popular history. The idea of a military coup in America at the time is largely ignored or played down by official histories.
• "I feel like most people don’t even know about Smedley Butler in general." – Chaps (73:44)
• The group discusses why American military figures no longer achieve celebrity status as in Butler’s or MacArthur’s time.

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6. Military Celebrity & Modern Politics

Timestamps: 86:21–101:16

• Explores why General-level military figures don't have the same prominence today.

• Mentions other military political crossovers: Eisenhower, Grant, Jackson, McCain, etc.

• "It's pretty common though… the major players in history." – Chief

• Discusses recent and modern candidates (Mattis, Petraeus, Crenshaw) and their (lack of) viability for the presidency.

• Stories about personal voting histories, political realignments post-9/11 and the mortgage crisis, and how candidates like McCain and Kerry were treated differently as veterans.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "War is a racket." – General Smedley Butler (repeated by Chaps, 68:05)
• "You live stream that [Jesus, Muhammad, and Dave Chappelle at dinner]. Tell me that doesn't go insane." – Chief (22:16)
• "AI uses more power than New York City and San Diego combined." – Chief (54:08)
• "They bet on the wrong horse." – Chaps (73:31)
• "I feel like most people don’t even know about Smedley Butler." – Chaps (73:44)
• "It's pretty common though... the major players in history." – Chief (87:25)
• "There's only... I've always said he's one in a billion." – Chaps on White Sox Dave (34:44)
• "Cookie time. Mid midday. Cookie then. You're having their lunch at 11." – Chief, on his grandparents' wholesome routines (105:04)

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Supplemental Deep Dives & Fun Sidebars

• Bluffs, Archipelagos, and Billabongs:
  • A running side joke on obscure landforms and Chaps’ love for "the best bluffs in America."
• Historical Rankings and Social Policy:
  • Discussion about the statistical ranking of US freedoms and happiness compared to European nations, especially Nordic countries.
• Travel and Life Philosophy:
  • Chief shares his method for ultra-light solo international travel, aiming for a new country every six weeks.

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Jason Segel, Anne Hathaway All-Timer Debate:
  06:12–13:33
• Tyler Glasnow’s "Dinner with 3":
  20:17–25:58
• Business Plot Deep Dive:
  67:37–101:23
• Military celebrities, presidential runs, and modern political polarization:
  86:21–101:16

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Tone and Style

The conversation is loose, irreverent, and full of jokes and digressions typical of Barstool podcasts. Even serious topics are handled with a mix of curiosity, skepticism, and humor, with each host bringing personal anecdotes and modern context into the mix.

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For Listeners New to the Episode

This episode blends contemporary and historical takes on conspiracy, leadership, and American anxieties—sprinkled liberally with running jokes and pop culture debates. Beyond simply retelling the "Business Plot," the crew uses the story as a lens for examining what leadership, trust, and dissent look like in both past and present America.

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Disclaimer:
Ads, promotional sections, and non-content banter have been omitted from this summary for clarity and focus.

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Transcript

[Chaps]

Hey, macrodosing listeners, you can find us

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple podcasts,

[Chaps]

Spotify or YouTube Prime.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Number two, he goes Muhammad.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Which stark contrast to Jesus. But I guess in the same realm of like he said he's not religious, but if you want to talk to.

[Chief]

There's a billion and a half people that would disagree that they're on different realms. Seeing that Jesus. No, the whole dinner would turn into

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

like, I'm the son of God.

[Chaps]

No, you're not.

[Chief]

You don't know that. You want to get them together. Why would you not? It'd be like the biggest meeting of the minds ever.

[Chaps]

Yeah, but Muhammad is like, you're not the son of God. You don't know that. He does say that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, well that's like the correct difference.

[Chaps]

Yeah, like Jesus agrees.

[Chief]

I'd like to see him hash it out. Okay. I think we could we get to the bottom of a lot of stu.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Chaps]

Happy to be here. My filling in for PFT or Aryan today.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So you're in PFT seat.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And yeah, so I would say you're in for PFT again. Okay. And we didn't have a fill in for Aryan on Tuesday but today we Do Uncle Chaps.

[Chief]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Welcome back.

[Chief]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Thank you, boys for joining me.

[Chaps]

I like this crew.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, this is a solid three. So, yeah, PFT will be back next week. From everything I understand, but nobody tells me anything. So I think PFT will be back next week. Aryan is in that golf tournament. I don't know what days that that is, but he'll be back at some point and we'll have the regular crew. But today we have myself, chief and chaps. How we doing, boys?

[Chaps]

I'm good.

[Chief]

I just got back from Arkansas.

[Chaps]

What were you doing there?

[Chief]

I went for a draftkings. Me and Donnie went and did a little day tripping there. So we left yesterday morning and came back that same evening. Arkansas, Northwest Arkansas. Underrated. Beautiful.

[Chaps]

Is that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I was shocked. I love to do the Hot Springs.

[Chief]

Is that. That's how. We didn't go to Hot Springs. We went right around the University of Arkansas. But it was great. What were you gonna say?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They love talking about northwest Arkansas. They're like, ignore the rest of the state. But northwest is good.

[Chief]

They. Everybody, like, even the airport on the screen when you're going there says northwest Arkansas. Doesn't say Fayetteville or Bensonville or anything like that. Northwest Arkansas. I have to admit that place is beautiful. Like the natural scenery, the bluffs. I'm a big bluffs guy.

[Chaps]

You love a bluff.

[Chief]

I love a good bluff. Did a little jumping off bluffs into the water yesterday.

[Chaps]

You ever been down to. Oh, what's the name of. I'm blanking on it. Starved Rock. Been there yet? Oh, take your family down to Starbucks. Some good bluffs down there. Okay. If there's a bluff, I'm in. I'm in.

[Chief]

I want to find the best bluffs in America.

[Chaps]

Okay. Bluffing.

[Chief]

I think I'm going to Columbia next month, and I think there's some bluffs down there.

[Chaps]

Bluffs. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What distinguishes a bluff from just a mountain?

[Chief]

I'll tell you this. I don't know because you hear about.

[Chaps]

No idea.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I don't know that if you showed me a lineup, I don't know that I could identify the bluff.

[Chief]

And the Ozark mountains aren't mountains, they're plateaus.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Sure.

[Chief]

Like it's the Ozark Plateau region. So there's a lot of different types of geography that I'm not.

[Chaps]

So it says here a bluff is a steep, high bank, cliff, or slope, typically with a broad, rounded face formed by erosion along a body of water. So starved rock. Definitely a bluff.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Chaps]

You should check only, like 90 minutes from here.

[Chief]

I like bluffs. I like archipelagos, too.

[Chaps]

Oh, yeah. Archipelagos are nice.

[Chief]

And I'm. I can be talked into a billabong.

[Chaps]

I don't know what that is. I thought it was like a surf brand.

[Chief]

Yeah, yeah. It's like a little body of water, like, so, you know when you go to the beach and you have that little area away from the main body of water and it'll form like a little body of water in the sand, like still on the beach. That gets, like, really, really warm. Yeah, that's a billabong.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The. The hotel I'm staying at in Hawaii when I'm going this summer has, like, a man made big. One of those, like, within the hotel.

[Chief]

Where are you going in Hawaii?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm doing half in WI and then half on the North Shore of Oahu.

[Chief]

Are you a curry guy? Do you like curry?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Not really.

[Chief]

Okay. Yeah. Like the Japanese curry specifically. So there's various types of curry. Like, Jamaican curry is different from Indian curry, different from Japanese. Chinese. But the Japanese curry is my favorite kind of curry. And there's a place there that I absolutely love called Cocos and Waikiki.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We've got a list of restaurants to go to and they have a ton of, like, Asian food, obviously, because it's probably closer to Japan.

[Chief]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The west coast. Yeah, They've got all sorts of stuff there. I've. I've never been, so I'm looking forward to it.

[Chief]

Yeah, it's great.

[Chaps]

You'll love it.

[Chief]

And Waikiki is beautiful. There's Waimea Falls. Is there, like, if you're going up to the North Shore, highly recommend. If you can rent a car, do that because you're. You're going to see so much more and get out of, like, Waikiki.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, that's the plan. And then we're. The half were staying at the hotel where they filmed for getting Sarah Marshall.

[Chaps]

Nice.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Which is supposed to be like one of the nicest spectacular. Okay.

[Chief]

Honestly, her like Kristen Bell in that. Unbelievably attractive.

[Chaps]

Agreed. I had a good movie showing her

[Chief]

back then, but, yeah, she was on my. She was on my hall pass list with my wife for a long time.

[Chaps]

Right.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't even. She's not even the hottest one in that movie.

[Chief]

Yeah. I would go Kristen Bell for me in that particular environment, I think I'm

[Chaps]

still going Mila Kunis, but I did love Kristen Bell as well.

[Chief]

I just think her personality is adorable as well.

[Chaps]

She's cute.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, she's cute.

[Chief]

Yeah, she's a cutie. Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's a good movie. It is not a. Not. Not a bad choice.

[Chief]

Unbelievable. Dong on Jason Siegel, too.

[Chaps]

He had to write that in, right?

[Chief]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you got to find a way. If you got a penis like that and you're, like, writing, you got to figure out a way to work that in there.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You think that was real?

[Chief]

Oh, yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I think so. I thought so.

[Chief]

You think?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Uncle Dave]

I mean, he's a really tall guy.

[Chief]

Yeah, he's got a long wiener, too.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah, I saw that movie.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. It's either he asked to put it in and it's real, or it was put in for him, in which case, I think it's fake.

[Chief]

No, I think it's real.

[Chaps]

I think it's real.

[Chief]

I think it's real because they are all, like, buddies. Everybody that's on that show together, and they're like, dude, he's got a hammer. We gotta. Absolutely.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Maybe.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Has he ever. Did he go on, like, a run? Like a Jeter run after that movie came out?

[Uncle Dave]

How I met your mother?

[Chaps]

No, I mean, like, dating.

[Chief]

Yeah, probably.

[Chaps]

Because otherwise, like, what's the point?

[Chief]

Just for us to be talking about it?

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I mean, imagine exposing your penis 15 years later. Then you got three on a cup podcast.

[Chaps]

True.

[Chief]

That's a dynamite dick.

[Chaps]

I hope he gets this clip.

[Chief]

Yeah, that would be nice.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Comment all about Jason Siegel's fiance and dating history.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

How is this an article?

[Uncle Dave]

He's engaged to a dancer who's beautiful.

[Chief]

Yeah, checks out.

[Chaps]

Let's see. I gotta take a look at her.

[Uncle Dave]

She was a so you think you can dance contestant.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, Kayla Radomski appeared as a Laker girl in the HBO TV show Winning Time.

[Chief]

Oh, Shout out. Mark Titus.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Is he in that show?

[Chief]

No, but he was almost Kurt Rambis.

[Chaps]

Really? Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, I remember him saying that now.

[Chaps]

Yeah, she's. She ain't bad looking.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Mad Dog, who is Alexis Mixter, or is she an unknown?

[Uncle Dave]

Mixter.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

M I X T E R. Dated Michelle Williams for a year.

[Uncle Dave]

Oh, I do remember that.

[Chief]

Heath Ledger's ex wife.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah, well, widow.

[Chief]

Oh, that. Yeah.

[Chaps]

Good bone structure on Alexis Mixter, but not my type.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Linda Cardellini.

[Uncle Dave]

Oh, yeah, she.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What do I know her from?

[Chief]

So, to answer your question, no, that is not a Jeter typewriter.

[Uncle Dave]

No, no, you know her from. She was in Scooby Doo. She was in Freaks and Geeks. She was in Dead to Me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, I know her from something far more ridiculous. I Know her from the Daddy's Home series?

[Uncle Dave]

Yes. She was the mom in Daddy's Home.

[Chaps]

Would you say Siegel is attractive?

[Uncle Dave]

I think he's handsome.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I think he's looking.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Dude.

[Uncle Dave]

I also think he's. Let's see how old he is, because

[Chaps]

I would say, like, he has the

[Chief]

personality that would be more attractive the more you get to know. I would agree.

[Chaps]

Which is why I was asking about the Jeter run. Because he's tall.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Handsome.

[Uncle Dave]

Six, four hammer, big T. What's your guess?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Gotta be 52, 46. See, I was thinking 40s, but then I was like, he looks like he could have been in his 40s in all those. Forgetting Sarah Marshall.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah. He's kind of. He hasn't really aged a ton. I would say he's aged gracefully.

[Chaps]

Good for him.

[Uncle Dave]

I think he's handsome. I do think he also. I wouldn't say he's like, super. Super, like, hot. But his personality.

[Chaps]

Correct.

[Uncle Dave]

Very much bumps him up a weight class.

[Chief]

He's like the Anne Hathaway of men.

[Uncle Dave]

Anne Hathaway literally dropped dead gorgeous no matter what.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. No personality. And Hathaway's an all timer?

[Chief]

I think so.

[Chaps]

I think.

[Uncle Dave]

Oh, my God.

[Chaps]

I think she's like, classically beautiful.

[Chief]

All timer, wow.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes. All right.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You don't agree?

[Chief]

I. I wouldn't say all time or.

[Chaps]

No, I think.

[Chief]

I think.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think most dudes would say, oh, really?

[Chaps]

I don't think most dudes would.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't think so either. Oh, should we all text a random dude right now and see what they say?

[Chief]

I'll let me face.

[Chaps]

All timer, to me means, like, Adriana Lima. Like, that's. When you say, like, all timer.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The fact that that's who you go to as an all timer is nuts.

[Chief]

All timer for me. Jennifer Love Hewitt.

[Chaps]

Yes. Jennifer Love.

[Uncle Dave]

I think literally there's a meme that's like, my buddy just woke up from a 15 year. 15 year coma. What should I tell him? And it said Lebron James and Anne Hathaway. Still doing it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right. I'm texting a random guy. I have one friend whose thoughts on Anne Hathaway. I know, and he would agree, but I'm not texting him. I'm texting a rando. Is it reasonable to assert that Ann Hathaway is an altimer?

[Chaps]

Why do you say saying Adriana Lima is an Alzheimer is, like, propaganda? Preposterous.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Not necessarily preposterous, just like, it's interesting that that's who your mind went to.

[Chief]

First, you know what?

[Chaps]

Like, most beautiful women who have ever lived. I think Adriana Lima is near the top of the list.

[Uncle Dave]

Yes, but that's a different thing, you know?

[Chaps]

Well, what's. What are we talking about?

[Uncle Dave]

She's. She's a supermodel.

[Chaps]

Right?

[Uncle Dave]

Like, Anne Hathaway is an actress who. Who has. I think. I think actress and supermodel is different. I just think it's a different.

[Chief]

You know what? I'm gonna recant. I'm going through pictures of her. She is gorgeous. She's. I don't think she. She's not like, pin up. You're gonna buy her posters from Spencer's and put it up on your wall whenever you're 15. Like that. She's not that type, but she is.

[Chaps]

That was Brittany for me.

[Chief]

She is like, if you're going to like a Vogue release party, you want to bring somebody that looks like Anne Hathaway.

[Chaps]

Yeah, if you're going. If you're going. Yeah. Some kind of black tie event.

[Uncle Dave]

Classy woman.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I mean, she was in Princess Diaries. I mean, Chief.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'll let you read the response, which I'm not going to read out loud, but just suffice it to say the person I texted. Agreed.

[Chaps]

Yeah. He referenced. We could say love and other drugs.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Where she's good movie topless. Quite a bit.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Nice. James.

[Uncle Dave]

The person I texted said she's in the hall of really good, but not the hall of fame.

[Chaps]

She's Paul Konerco.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, that's disgusting. That's disgusting.

[Chaps]

She's Tony Romo.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, she might be Albert.

[Chief]

Everybody knows. Respects the game.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

She's Albert Pujols.

[Chief]

Albert Pujols. My God, I can't believe y' all are 700.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I know that. That's an all timer.

[Chaps]

That's.

[Chief]

Yeah, if you're gonna.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And again, like you said, when you think all timer, I don't think. Think of necessarily the hottest woman you've ever seen. For instance. I don't think of a woman Aryan does not find to be attractive. Margot Robbie. I don't think of her. When I think all timer. Incredibly hot, I think of someone like Anne Hathaway.

[Chaps]

I feel like the Wolf of Wall street is when she exploded. She was all time in that, but

[Uncle Dave]

she was only like 23 in that movie, which is crazy.

[Chaps]

Crazy. Yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

But yeah, like, that's one of the hottest correct times anyone has ever. Like, that's one of the hottest people that's ever existed in that exact moment in time.

[Chaps]

Correct.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah. She comes out of like the bathroom of the closet or whatever in that movie.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I've seen it.

[Chief]

Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with the scene.

[Chaps]

Yeah, Good scene.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Good movie. Good scene.

[Chief]

Great movie.

[Chaps]

Relatable scene. Except for like the. You know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right, well.

[Chaps]

Yeah, anyways.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right, cool. Shout out.

[Chaps]

Good show, guys.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. All right.

[Chief]

And that's the show.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Chaps]

That was a jarring headline.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He's been in the news several times the last few months for stuff that you just don't want to be in the news for.

[Chaps]

What else has he been. You want to read the headline here?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. So he. He allegedly shouted an anti Semitic phrase and then also bit a woman. I'm curious how those two. He had to interact with each other. A woman in Los Angeles claims Pukinakua made an anti Semitic comment and later bit her so hard he broke her skin. Allegations, the RAM superstar says, are total bs so he denies them. The alleged victim, in an application for temporary restraining order lays out what she claims happened on December 31, 2025, after a group outing in Century City. The woman says the night got off to a rocky start after the 24 year old allegedly said something about Jewish people which distressed her. Unfortunately, the woman says the remark was just the first act in what became an escalating course of rude or vulgar, threatening, violent and harassing conduct. His lawyer, from what I saw, like, didn't even dispute the biting because they, they have like pictures of it and he was like, oh, they were just messing around. Just classic horseplay. But yeah, I don't.

[Chaps]

Just a nibble.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I mean, great receiver just seems to be in the news for some problem stuff recently.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that's quite the bite mark. Yeah, that's like. That looks like a shark bite.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Do you. This is like that old Seinfeld episode where they're trying to match up a pencil with a guy's teeth marks to see if he bought the right car. He wanted to buy a famous actor's car.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You've. You've missed me with Seinfeld.

[Chaps]

No Seinfeld for you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No Seinfeld for you.

[Chief]

I can deal without it. Yeah, okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I. I've watched one episode in its entirety and it was an episode where I guess they were highlighting the absurdity of the show. I think in the episode of the show, Jerry Seinfeld was talking about creating a show that would just be Seinfeld.

[Chief]

Yeah, he was bringing it to NBC

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

season three or four and making fun of how stupid it is.

[Chaps]

Correct. Show about nothing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But to someone who views the actual show as. That it was just kind of a meta, like, so you see it too kind of deal.

[Chief]

Well, that was the point. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

It was very intentional.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But like, other people would find that funny. If you like the show. I don't like the show, so I just find it off putting.

[Chief]

Are you a Larry David guy at all?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, but I haven't. I've seen a couple episodes of Curb your enthusiast and enthusiasm and I've seen clips that are funny. I've just not. It has not struck me as something I need to sit down.

[Chief]

And I think Curbs is miles better. I would agree. Seinfeld, I think Larry David is a better main character. Jerry Seinfeld is a fucking horrific actor. At least Larry David's bad acting is hysterical.

[Chaps]

So Larry David has said in a com. In an interview Somewhere that he's such a bad actor that they don't have, like, real scripts. They have, like, ideas, and then they kind of, like, improv or they might have a line, and then they improv and improv and just try to get, like, the best.

[Chief]

It's perfect.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

The way that they do it.

[Chaps]

I can't actually act.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I don't think you could take it seriously enough. His relationship. Larry David's, like, interactions with his daughter are amazing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They're so funny.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Because they're so much alike.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Like how she'll just start going off on some random inconsequential thing. And he's, like, fired up about it, too. She's like, somebody waved me when I let him across the street. I don't need you to wave.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Just get across the street.

[Chief]

I'm letting you go. I don't need.

[Chaps]

We don't need to have this whole interaction.

[Chief]

And then they just start ripping together for, like, 10 minutes. Beautiful.

[Chaps]

Yeah. It's nice.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Sorry. I was just reading Puka's lawyer's statement. They seem to pretty unequivocally deny the allegations, so.

[Chief]

Oh, yeah, you're not going to come out and just be like, yep, that was me.

[Chaps]

No, the bite is indisputed. There's a photo of it.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

So.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But yeah, we'll see what happens with that. You know, one of the top receivers in the NFL, but might be a weird guy happens. Did y' all see. I sent over. Do you know who, Chief, you obviously do. Chaps, do you follow Tyler Glass now at all? You know of his work?

[Chief]

Not familiar with Tyler Glass.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He's a. He's a really good pitcher. He plays for the Dodgers. He was asked the three people, living or dead, he would like to have dinner with. I assume you haven't seen this.

[Chief]

No.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. Don't watch it. Well, okay. You'd never be able to guess.

[Chaps]

Okay. Probably guess one.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I think one of them is maybe the most famous person who's ever lived.

[Chief]

Jesus.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He goes, Jesus once strong one. One. Yeah. But he says, like, I'm not a religious person, but I would just like to. To talk to Jesus. Also.

[Chief]

When we have these conversations, people need to say what kind of dinner it is. Because if I'm going to drink with the boys and have, like, go to a steakhouse, have a couple glasses of wine, maybe a whiskey or two, I'm not. I don't want to bring Jesus. I feel like you have one guy that's not drinking at all drinking.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Jesus drank yeah, but he's not drinking

[Chief]

whiskey and he's not getting out of. Out of control. I feel like you're just gonna mind your. It'd be like going with your biggest boss. Free drinks, though, you know, like, it's going. You're going with your boss to drink. Ah. I'll talk to you after.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Let's have a.

[Chaps]

He's got to know what you did anyways.

[Chief]

Yeah. It's like Santa Claus in that way.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Yeah. Okay. Jesus. Jesus.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, so he goes Jesus. One. One. Strong pick.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Number two, he goes Muhammad. Okay. Which stark contrast to Jesus, but I guess in the same realm of, like, he said he's not religious, but if you want to talk to.

[Chief]

There's a billion and a half people that would disagree that they're on different realms. Seeing that Jesus.

[Chaps]

No, the whole dinner would turn into like, I'm the son of God. No, you're not.

[Chief]

You don't know that. You want to get them together. Why would you not? It'd be like the biggest meeting of the minds ever.

[Chaps]

Yeah, but Muhammad is like, you're not the son of God. You don't know that. He does say that. Okay, well, that's like the court.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like, he's kind of the big difference.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Like Jesus.

[Chief]

I'd like to see him hash it out.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Chief]

I think we could. We get to the bottom of a lot of stuff.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, so he has Jesus and Muhammad.

[Chief]

You live stream that. Tell me that doesn't go insane.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, it would do numbers.

[Chief]

Yeah. I mean, if you had. I think a great three for me, just based on this initial two. Jesus, Muhammad, little sass.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He. That's about where he goes. That's about what he does. So. So you have Jesus and Muhamma. You would think the third one would be, you know who. Abraham. I don't know.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Moses Gandhi.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Sure. Dave Chappelle was the three. Okay.

[Chaps]

A little levity.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Muhammad and Dave Chappelle with Tyler Glass.

[Chief]

Now, I feel like you don't get the full Dave Chappelle experience of Jesus. Oh, you might. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But. Yeah, just a fascinating three.

[Chief]

That's a good three. Interesting three. I mean, definitely, if you're going to bring Jesus, I feel like you bring Muhammad, too.

[Chaps]

I just feel like that conversation just evolves into shouting.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

So I'm not interested. I want to have a good time. You bring one of them.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What type of dinner does that strike you as

[Chief]

like, if Jesus is going to be there?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Jesus, Muhammad, Dave Chappelle, and Tyler Glass.

[Chief]

I mean, you're probably. I If I'm bringing Jesus, I'm probably going to get seafood. So then we're gonna get one meal, and then.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Sure.

[Chief]

Everybody could just split it, you know. Yeah. I'm gonna get the fish. Yeah. Oh, well, everybody's having the branzini, but, you know, I maybe go get a deep dish and see.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, this is a more casual.

[Chief]

Yeah, casual. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No wine. No.

[Chief]

Like a. Yeah. Because Jesus is there. Muhammad's not gonna drink. He's definitely not drinking. He didn't drink. So I feel like. Yeah, I probably just go get it.

[Chaps]

They're at odds right away.

[Chief]

Yeah, I'd go, but I'd make. I'd call ahead and make sure it was a place that I could get the kind of soda that I want.

[Chaps]

Oh, you're not drinking either then, huh? You're not having any wine either?

[Chief]

Not if they're not. I don't want to be the only guy.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What do you mean?

[Chief]

Like, I don't. I want to go to a Coke restaurant. I don't want to go to a Pepsi restaurant. I don't want.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay.

[Chief]

I don't want to drink Pepsi in front of Jesus.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, okay. No, that's fair.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

I think this is one of the places you kind of want it to be. Quieter, quiet spot. Yeah.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

So you almost need the Steakhouse Dave and Busters. Jesus just killing skeeball.

[Chief]

That would be awesome. Again, let's get you on Papa Shot.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Imagine what he would do to those little beavers that pop out, little gophers.

[Chaps]

Just look at them, those big rubber mallets.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Whack them all.

[Chief]

Yeah. Whack a mole. That's a good three.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd have fun. It's an interesting.

[Chaps]

It'd probably be fun as long as we. We got to set terms where it's just, like, we leave certain subjects off the table here. Like, I don't want to be arguing about Jesus's lineage the whole time, who his dad is.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Chaps]

You know, See, I would. You want.

[Chief]

I want to get into it. Yeah.

[Chaps]

I don't think you can get by it.

[Chief]

I think you. You gotta have the conversation. Otherwise, a huge elephant in the room.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The thing about. About Jesus, if you have Jesus there, you can't talk to anyone else. You can't have Jesus sitting in front of you and talk to Chappelle.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I don't think I'm talking at all.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And that's fair enough.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I think you just. But I would want Chappelle asking questions.

[Chief]

I don't want Chappelle there at that conversation.

[Chaps]

No, I don't think he fits.

[Chief]

No.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, it's a hard pivot.

[Chief]

Yeah, it's a hard pivot.

[Chaps]

I feel like you.

[Chief]

But he is an intellectual. Like, he's a smart guy.

[Chaps]

You're gonna need a guy to break the tension. But you could do that.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

But yeah, also that group with Kate would be fantastic too. She'd just be apologizing over and over again to everybody for everything she's ever done.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

For existing.

[Chief]

I'm so sorry to ask and talk.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right. Yeah. Do we. Do we have a three?

[Chaps]

These are the questions that I just don't. I never have a good answer to them.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I feel like it depends on what kind of mood I'm in. Like, there are certain days I wake up and I. If I wanted to go out, like when I interviewed Ken Burns, I could go out to dinner with Ken Burns and every night for 10 years and not be bored because the amount of stuff that he knows.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right. And that's a. That's a good answer. Is someone who. Depth of knowledge, conversationalist.

[Chief]

Yeah, somebody like that. I think Ken Burns of. I'll. I'll do. Let's do people we've interviewed want to do that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay. I have one for sure.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Stone Cold.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

He was the man.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And I would love to. To go to dinner with Stone Cold. He was awesome.

[Chief]

I would go. So mine just off the top of the dome. It might be different. If I thought about it for a while, I would say Jon Stewart, Ken Burns, and Woody Williams, the Medal of Honor recipient from World War II, who's a flamethrower guy.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Chief]

Hysterical. And he was like a hundred years old and was still, like, quick as. I feel like those three, like, with Ken Burns history, knowledge, Jon Stewart's like, respect for veterans and things like that in American history. And then throwing in Woody Williams. I would go out with that crew all the time.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

When you say flamethrower, is that a euphemism or is that.

[Chief]

No. Like a legit flamethrower?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, but what does that mean? So.

[Chief]

And pillboxes in World War II, like, on. In Iwo Jima, they would have these machine guns that would go inside these fortified positions on the side of Mount Suribachi. And they. When Woody actually told me an insane story, like they had been doing island hopping campaigns. And I think that a lot of folks, when they think about World War II veterans, you look at, like, Iwo Jima, they did that battle and that was it no, those guys went from like Okinawa to Iwo Jima to like they went all over the Pacific, like constantly, over and over again. So they were learning different things. One day on the, on a, on a beach, they brought in these huge pallets that had these big flamethrower guns that they put the big tanks on your back and you have like napalm that you're essentially napalm you're gassing people with. It's like a legit flamethrower, like the thing that KFC bought, but like a huge version. They did not train on those in the United States. They brought them, they had like the manual they read and they asked for volunteers. Woody Williams was a 19 year old kid who enlisted illegally because he was so young when he went like he went without his parents permission. Got there, they asked him if he wanted to do it. He asked what it did and they told him. He was like, yeah, I want to do that rocks. So he, he put it on and then you would just run up to those pillboxes and you would unleash the fire and you would burn people alive.

[Chaps]

They showed it in Saving Private Ryan too.

[Chief]

They're insane.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Another one I haven't gotten around to.

[Chaps]

Really?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, we talk about this fairly often. I've got, I have an extensive list of movies from 1970 to 2005 that I just haven't gotten around to yet. I might watch some of them. I have. What do I have until. Is it June 1st to watch training Day? What was the date?

[Uncle Dave]

Thought it was June 15, but you may be right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Something.

[Uncle Dave]

I think it's June. Yeah. Just after March Madness and everything.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, it's in June. I have to watch Training Day, Aryan has to watch the Godfather and PFT has to watch something.

[Chaps]

You guys just got to put. Leave AMC running. You'll go bump into all of those movies.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. But yeah, I have a whole list of ones that I haven't seen either because I know I won't like them or I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm more of a video game guy. I don't do a ton of movies.

[Chaps]

Really? Yeah, I haven't, I just, I fell off of video games. I had, I bought a PS5 because I was going to play the college football game and I got FIFA and I had some worker guys in my apartment. I was in the back bedroom with my dog. Stole it right off my, right off my mantle. I didn't know for like a month because then my brother was going to come to my house and watch my dog while I was out of town. And he's like, can I play FIFA? I'm like, yeah, knock yourself out. He goes, well, where is it?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm like, how long between those two events?

[Chaps]

Like, a month.

[Chief]

Wow.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So, like, I just never even didn't notice that it was gone. Never had the urge to play. I think I played that PS5 like, twice. And it was just. I'm like, I'm out. Can't do the video games anymore.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Ben dejiulio and I went to meet up with a sketchy guy in Hoboken off Facebook Marketplace, who was. This is when the PS5 first came out and you couldn't get them. And Ben wanted an Xbox and I wanted the PlayStation. This guy was selling both of them for some exorbitant amount of money. And we went over there and we met up with him, and he seemed. He seemed pretty legit, but, like, they exchanged driver's licenses and, like, all this stuff. And he was like, can we open the boxes just to make sure they're in there? And the guy was like, I can't let you open the box. Because then something about, you know, whatever y. And we were like, okay. So I went home in an Uber with what I hoped was a PS5 and open it up, and it. It still works.

[Chief]

So sweet.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I paid a bunch for it, but I ended up. I mean, you couldn't buy one for a year after that, so I got my use out of it. But, yeah, I still. I'm still rocking with the PS5. I'm sorry that happened to you.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, it sucks because it's just. I was going to give it to my brother anyways. Just take it home with you. But, yeah, it was an expensive thing that I just never used, and it got stolen.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What was the area of work that those people were doing?

[Chaps]

They were repairing drywall because I bought a sauna for my second bedroom, and I needed more power, so they had to knock out a wall to do it. So then I had other guys come in to replace the drywall where there's a giant hole, like the size of a TV in the wall. So they repaired that, and I was in the other bedroom because the dog doesn't like. My dog's a little bit racist.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, interesting.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So I had. He goes nuts when there are people of color in my apartment. So I had him in the back bedroom, and then they're like, hey, like, we're done here. And I'm like, all right. And I went out and like, you know, put him back in there and closed the door. They shook hands. Say goodbye, Gonzo.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Wow.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So white guys, he doesn't flip out.

[Chaps]

He will. Like anybody who's a stranger who comes in, he, like, kind of freaks out, but then calms down. But if it's a person of color, he never calms down.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Interesting.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

It's unfortunate.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What color is the dog?

[Chaps]

He's a multi color. He's a hound. So he's black, brown, white, and gray. So no matter what I wear, I got dog hair showing up on me. Hmm.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. It's tough.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Could be worse. Could be your. Your washer could make your clothes stinky.

[Chaps]

That guy is something else.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah. He's mad at me right now.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Why?

[Chaps]

Because he does.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

About white.

[Chaps]

So White Sox. Dave. Because he does this thing where he parrots people. And on Monday or Tuesday, I called him out because you'll be like. Like on the show today, Rudy, we did a draft, and Rudy called somebody a junkyard dog. And Dave goes, yep, he's a junkyard dog. And he does that all the time. And it's not even necessarily just like, we had a call. We're trying to have this congressman on Ro Khanna, who you've had on.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes.

[Chaps]

And we had, like, a chat with his PR woman, and I said something, and Dave, like, she answered my question. And then Dave repeated the exact same question as soon as she was done, but, like, verbatim.

[Uncle Dave]

And.

[Chaps]

And he just. So I start. I. I brought it up on a show how he just. He does this parrot thing, and he got very mad about that. And then I pointed out on the show, and I just started laughing, and he's like, what are you laughing at? Eddie knew exactly what I was laughing at. And he got mad. He got mad. He's a little. He got a little mad at me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

How long do those last?

[Chaps]

The parrots?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, when he gets mad.

[Chaps]

Oh, it depends. It could be the rest of that recording or something will linger a few days, but he normally gets over it.

[Chief]

I love Dave.

[Chaps]

Yeah, he's. Dave's one.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Very funny.

[Chaps]

He's one of a kind. There's only. I've always said he's one in a billion.

[Chief]

He's easily one of my favorite people at this company. Yeah, he's easily.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, his thing about his.

[Chief]

And underrated. Smart people always say he's dumb. He does so well on my question.

[Chaps]

He knows. He knows.

[Chief]

He knows. He knows.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

He's not an idiot. He's had, like, far from an Idiot.

[Chaps]

He's had such, like, an awakening. Like, we used to call him our foul little boy because, like, something happened where he Covid. And then he got a very serious girlfriend who's lovely. She's. She's a great girl. But, like, those two things. So, like, the, like, Dave, pre pandemic Dave, a totally different person. A totally different person. So, like, if his. Que. If you were asking him these questions in 2019, I don't think he'd have a shot.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So Covid make him more learned.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

I think he does a lot of documentaries and he does, like, a lot of.

[Chief]

He reads.

[Chaps]

He re.

[Chief]

He audiobooks.

[Chaps]

Yeah, he does some audiobooks.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Which I count as.

[Chief]

I count as reading.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

There was a big blue sky argument over that the other day. Do you see that?

[Chief]

And you know who does. Who else calls it reading? Scientists. Brain scientists. Like, if you read, like, they did these scans where if you put, like, sensors on somebody's brain, the same exact portions light up. If you are reading it with your eyes or if you're reading it with your ears, it's the same exact thing.

[Chaps]

I will say so when I've been kind of light on my reading lately, but I'll usually have the audio book and the physical book, and I'll like, if I'm reading, then I'll go. If I'm in the car, I'll just pick it up where it was. But I have a much harder time focusing on just the audio a lot

[Chief]

of times both at the same time. That's what I like to do. Immersive reading.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Where you read the audiobook and you're looking at, like, a physical copy or a Kindle at the same time, and you're just kind of following along.

[Chaps]

Do you have to speed it up?

[Chief]

Yeah, I easily speed it up. I like, point or like, two speed. 1.5 at the very minimum. But yeah, that's how I. It helps with memorization, remembering things. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I bet. I do audiobooks. I think the Bible is the only book I read physically, because I can't. I can't do that. Audio feels wrong.

[Chaps]

You'd have to have a hell of a narrator. It'd have to be like.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. And also, I just. I like. I take. I take time in the morning and I read it. But then if I'm reading, like, a book, I just do an audiobook while I'm playing video games or something.

[Chaps]

And you feel like you retain the information.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

What's your number one video game? What do you spend the most time On.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, during baseball season. Mlb. The show just came out, so my friends and I are on that.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Two hours a day.

[Chaps]

But you're not. You're not like a backup for Bush, are you?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I play Fortnite a little bit just because it's so. It's so ridiculous that it's actually fun. Like, it comes all the way back around to, like. It's so dumb. It's funny.

[Chaps]

Okay. That's like a first person shoot. I've never played Fortnite before.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. But it's just like, you can be Buzz Lightyear and like, the. An ice spice dance. Like, it's dumb as hell.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What else do we play? FIFA? A tiny bit NHL.

[Chaps]

Also NHL.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

NHL is a good, like, three or four guys.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Playing.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So I haven't done NHL. I mean, it might have been like, N64. Wow. And. But I went through, like, a big FIFA kick during the week with my PS4 during the beginning of COVID That's really it. Like, I just. I'm kind of just done.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's how I got into soccer, was playing FIFA during COVID And I liked Man City's uniform that year. They had the. The like, Tequila sunrise, the pink and green, and I liked that. And so I was like, I'm gonna.

[Chaps]

That's your squad city.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then it turns out their bar in New York was right down the street from my apartment.

[Chaps]

Ah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So it was a. It was a fortuitous deal.

[Chaps]

I do like that all the teams. It's kind of like college sports where they just like. There's a place for Nottingham Forest called the Embassy in Little Italy. And you go there during a game, there's at least 10 people there. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good time.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Speaking of England, there's. There's a bit of an epidemic going on in London. Have y' all seen this?

[Chaps]

No.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The squirrels are vaping.

[Chaps]

Stop.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

People are leaving vapes all over the place, I guess. And the squirrels smell the fruity aromas and they mistake it for food. So the squirrels are hitting the vapes.

[Chaps]

They're not inhaling, are they?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know. It looks like they're.

[Chief]

Yeah, they're blowing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They're on the pins.

[Chief]

They're doing mad clouds over there.

[Chaps]

It is a funny image now that I clicked on the link you sent.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

You would think this would be a problem everywhere, not just London.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Are you a nicotine guy? No. You?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No.

[Chaps]

No.

[Chief]

A weed and whiskey guy?

[Chaps]

Yeah. I like both those two. Maybe I have too many vices because

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I do the pouches.

[Chaps]

Yeah, it's all.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What does that make you? What does that do?

[Chaps]

Dude, I honestly don't know. I don't know. Like, people say you don't feel anything. So if I. I don't really have an addictive personality. So, like, this is now empty. I've got the last one in my mouth. We don't have any of the flavors here that I like, so I'll go like several weeks without having any and not have a problem. But if I have like a 12 milligram one, I am, like, buzzing, buzzing. But if I. But I just kind of, like, routinely just kind of pop them in, maybe I. It might help. They say it helps you, like, relax. They say it helps you focus. Those seem like two different things to me. Yeah. So I don't. I don't know. Suppose.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Would you say it's like a caffeine?

[Chaps]

No, it doesn't. Well, like, caffeine. I am, like, impervious to caffeine. So it doesn't really do. Like, I could have a big coffee at 6 o' clock at night and have no issues. So. So I don't know. No, I don't get, like. It's more of like a head rush when you go from zero to, you know, like a 12 milligram pouch for me. But I know other, like, White Sox. Dave will put like 3:12 in at a time because he grew up on, like, the long cut stuff. And so it just. I don't know. Like, it just. It's almost like a force of habit at this point. But it's like, I don't necessarily need it. Like, I think I could. I, like, I know I could just quit. I'm gonna quit today until they restock the vending machine with the flavors I like. So I don't know, it's just like. Just.

[Chief]

I don't know.

[Chaps]

Makes. Feels good, I guess is why I do it. But I don't necessarily need it the way that some people would say that they need their nicotine fix.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Interesting.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I've just never. I eat enough fried chicken. I can't be doing.

[Chaps]

I knew. I knew a girl who. She had. She would vape and she would, like, have it in the bed and she would be, like, sleeping, and you'd wake up to her, like, trying to feel under your body. She was like, to find her vape in the bed while you're sleeping, so. But, like, she wouldn't be awake. It was just like she would hit. Hit it, while asleep in the middle

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

of the night, I do that to myself. But with AirPods, I fall asleep like watching TikTok.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then I'll wake up and my AirPods are, are under my back and that it wakes me up. And then I got to put them away at 3:00am Yeah, I, I, I'm

[Chief]

bad about if you got to figure out a new system to fall asleep. That's horrible.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chaps]

But you know, if I, if I am sleeping alone, my mind will just race and I'll just kind of be up like thinking about that I need to do. And so I have to put on like an audiobook or a podcast that I've listened to a thousand times, so it's almost like a hypnosis. And I set the timer to go off at like 15 minutes. I never make it to 15 minutes.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Interesting. Are you doing it with headphones in?

[Chaps]

No, I just plug it in and I have like this dog crate that's looks like a piece of furniture and I just set it up on top of there, plugged in to charge it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Playing out loud.

[Chaps]

Just playing out loud.

[Chief]

Oh yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I'm bad about falling asleep watching videos.

[Chaps]

I don't know how you do that, especially TikTok.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't either. But yeah, I got to figure out a better way to go to sleep. I just, it, I think I've got more time and then, you know, I wake up and it's doom scroll. It's already happened.

[Chaps]

Doom scroll to your sleep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But it's. I like it though. I like Tick tock. Even though I'm, I've got, I know I got to get off it. It's bad. It is bad in several ways.

[Chaps]

Yeah. But anyway, it's an addictive app. The most addictive.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. And I know there. I texted someone the name of a college. What were we? Oh, we were talking about Miami of Ohio, who Tennessee beat in the NCAA tournament. And I said that they played our high school and Carson Newman, which is like a D3 school in Tennessee, and to get to 31. And. Oh, the first TikTok I opened that day was of the Carson Newman women's basketball.

[Chaps]

They are listening to you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, they, they track your keystrokes.

[Chaps]

Oh, is that what it is?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, they track what you type.

[Chaps]

Don't love that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, it's terrible. Yeah, and I know it is, but whatever. I'm gonna, but I'm gonna watch it.

[Chaps]

Oh, also, my future brother in law said he met you and your mother.

[Uncle Dave]

Yes, my mother was there and said

[Chaps]

that you guys were lovely.

[Uncle Dave]

Oh, I appreciate that. My mom. My mom was chatting up a storm with half of the Miami football team last week.

[Chaps]

She spoke with him quite a bit.

[Uncle Dave]

I guess she's the one that told me, oh, Chief's future brother in law. And I go, who? Wait, what? Yeah, no, my mom was the one who alerted me of. Of your future family being there. Oh, yeah, no, she. There is nothing my mom loves more than to be in a college bar hanging out.

[Chaps]

Hanging out?

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Chatting the boys.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I love that.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah, she loves it. And she doesn't drink. She's not a drinker. She will drink the equivalent of what she drinks in a year. One college weekend. And that's not even a bad. Like, she's not like, drunk. She just doesn't drink. Yeah, she gets into Oxford, Ohio, special place.

[Chaps]

Something. Something comes over her.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did she go there?

[Uncle Dave]

Nope. No. Her and my father went to Toledo. Yeah. No, she just loves. My parents. Love being in a college town with us. They buy everyone whatever they want. My mom wanted to buy me my hotel room. I said so. Actually, my work will pay for the hotel room, but thanks for the offer.

[Chaps]

Thanks, Mom.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but she's a lovely woman.

[Chaps]

That's. That's what I hear.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

She is. She's great.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Likes to party.

[Uncle Dave]

Loves to party.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Uncle Dave]

What?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And here's my thing about that. Okay, so we work in a business that relies on advertising and we have some great advertisers, but you people can access. These are our product for free. Which is why we need advertising to supplement that, right?

[Chaps]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I've paid Apple $1200 for your damn phone.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

With the implicit agreement that that was the money. You have my money now. Now I get to use your product free from. From those constraints. And now they're putting ads in my Apple Maps. And I think I'm still in the minority on this. I've always found Apple Maps to be perfectly fine.

[Chaps]

I agree.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It has never led me astray on the road. I. I use it if I'm somewhere unfamiliar to find restaurants or whatever. It's. It's been fine to me.

[Chaps]

You're not a ways head.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I will never. I hate ways. I hate the people who talk about ways. And they're like, I can't stand it. Yeah. And then Google Maps. Everybody's like, you got to use Google Maps. I don't want to download another app to do the thing that the. This one already does. But now they're putting ads in here and they're like, oh, go to this now. I might download Google Maps. I don't know. I'm in a. I'm in a tizzy over this.

[Chaps]

Do you guys remember MapQuest?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, yeah.

[Chief]

Yes.

[Chaps]

Where you print out. Do you know that they. They. I want to say this is them. But they would take your route near some of their partners. So they might partner with British Petroleum or 711 or something like that, and they would alter your route ever so slightly to make sure you're driving by those establishments. Yeah, really smart.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I remember I was on a family vacation to Montana to a ski Resort, and MapQuest led us to. I don't know if it was like a frozen lake. I don't remember the exact details. We ended up on a patch of ice somewhere that we weren't supposed to be, and we called the resort, and we were like, hey, we're at such and such. And they were like, do you use MapQuest? And we're like, yeah. He goes, yeah, they take everyone there. You got to do this, this, and this. And I was like, that seems like something that should be fixed.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But, yeah, that was a little scary, but other than that, that's my main.

[Chaps]

Driving a car in a frozen lake would be. That would be scary.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I don't remember exactly what it was. Something akin to that, but yeah. Shout out MapQuest. Like, I think about businesses like that. Do they just not exist anymore at all? Like, that had to be A very big business. Certainly probably had more employees than like, we do.

[Chief]

Yeah, the map version.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And so whaling industry. Yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

And so do they just active website.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. So what do they do now?

[Uncle Dave]

It's.

[Chief]

I think they probably have an app.

[Chaps]

AOL bought MapQuest in the year 2000 for 1.1 billion.

[Chief]

Good purchase.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Wonder what you could sell it for now.

[Chief]

$8.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Probably buy AOL for $8.

[Uncle Dave]

I'm on MapQuest right now, and you can get directions. It's a similar setup to, like, Google Maps, where it has, you know, search places, and then on the map it has different tabs for coffee, food, gas, grocery, and things of that nature. But it's. I mean, similar enough to a Google Maps look.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I've never heard of anyone be like, actually, I use MapQuest. I just really like the interface.

[Uncle Dave]

It's definitely a little bit dated, but it's not. I wouldn't consider it a less accurate product than Google Maps based on what I'm looking at.

[Chaps]

Verizon, which bought AOL for 4.4 billion, spun off MapQuest for an undisclosed amount.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

ChatGPT estimates 10 to 80 million today. That sounds high.

[Chaps]

You know, none of these valuations for tech things ever make any sense to me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's all money laundering.

[Uncle Dave]

Oh, speaking of tech, were we gonna talk about Sora?

[Chief]

I don't know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We can.

[Uncle Dave]

Did you have that on there?

[Chaps]

No, I don't know what that is.

[Uncle Dave]

That's the AI, the OpenAI version of the pictures and the videos.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It was the thing that people would make AI videos on. And Disney, I think, was a, quote, acquiring it.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then Open AI announced yesterday. They're just shutting it down. Yeah, completely.

[Uncle Dave]

So it's one win, small win.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But that there's something nefarious behind that. I don't know what's coming after it, but they didn't just do that as like, to be altruistic.

[Chaps]

What do you think that Sam Altman's up to?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, who knows? I mean, if I could answer that. But yeah, I don't know why they shut it down. Because it was supposed. It was a big deal three or four months ago when Disney was acquiring a huge chunk of it, because people were like, oh, they're gonna use yeah, AI and all this. Whatever. I'm sure they already are.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Do you see the trailer for the. The live action Moana movie?

[Chaps]

No.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It just looks like. Like visually looks so terrible. Also, who's asking for that? You know, it's too soon. Moana's not that old.

[Chief]

You gotta have 25 years before you can make it a live action. If it's a cartoon.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, they're just out of ideas.

[Chief]

Yeah, they are.

[Chaps]

But I remember I want.

[Chief]

Christian Anderson is not walking through that door.

[Chaps]

This one makes more sense because at least the characters were human to begin with. I never saw Moana, but the. The Lion King version, the live action Lion King was a disaster. I hated that.

[Chief]

Who would have thought trying to make talking animals a thing.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Would be tough.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Well, I'm not live action because it's fucking cgi.

[Chaps]

Also true. And. But they had like a star studded. They did, yeah.

[Chief]

Cat shout out. Beyonce.

[Chaps]

Beyonce.

[Chief]

Earl Jones.

[Chaps]

James Earl, who was the original too. But they. Yeah, they had all like. It was a. He died.

[Chief]

I think so.

[Chaps]

He might have died.

[Chief]

I think he died like four months ago, didn't he?

[Chaps]

This is ringing a bell. Yeah. September 9th, 2024.

[Chief]

Oh, longer than.

[Chaps]

Yeah, 18 months.

[Chief]

Yeah. But honestly, that's four months. As for a 43 year old.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good.

[Chief]

Thank you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But yeah, so Sora is no more. I just. I'm kind of at the point now I have to opt out with the AI stuff. I. You chat.

[Chaps]

GPT something earlier. Like it was like five or ten minutes ago.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, I know, but that. To get an estimate. Okay, well, that's not exactly. I'm not saying I'll never use it.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm just saying with the. Every day it's something new and I just can't. I. I can up bother myself with it.

[Chaps]

Wake me up when there are overlords.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And I'm dubious of that to begin with. I just hate the people running it. But I just. You know, they're setting down Sora. Their snap face is. Is rebrand. I don't know, man. Do whatever you want.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

You know, stop using so much power. Stop making it. Where there's towns in Texas that won't have any water.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

That's not good.

[Chief]

Yeah, yeah. Bad.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I was reading about the water thing. I think that might be like overblown again. I hate these people. But I was. I was. I forget exactly what the deal with the water was, but it wasn't like

[Chief]

they use a substantial amount of power.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'd have to go find. Oh, I'm sure.

[Chief]

I mean, more like open AI uses more than New York City and San Diego combined.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What?

[Chaps]

More than New York City?

[Chief]

More than New York City and San Diego combined.

[Chaps]

They should have to pay like their

[Chief]

own separate premium or shouldn't be allowed to do it.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

They shouldn't be allowed to ruin natural resources to use that much electricity. And if they do it, they should have to do it sustainably. Like, even if you're like, okay, all of you guys, you could build one nuclear power plant and all it is going to be for is that. Yeah, there's got to be ways to get around it. Like the water situation of how much water it's using, siphoning it off, like all the different natural resources, causing people's power bills to be insane in certain areas. Having different, like surge pricing affected based on what time of day people are using ChatGPT the most.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then they want to sell it back to you as a utility.

[Chief]

Yeah. And then all these people, they don't like the folks that it's affecting. Percentage of people that use CHAT gbt, what do you think it is in the United States? I would guess less than 15.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah, it's not as high as you think.

[Chief]

I think it'd be way less than 15.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like old.

[Chief]

Like, nobody that's in my extended family is definitely not you.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I think it's high, dude. It's every single person under college age and younger. I think you're at 95% college age and younger.

[Chief]

That's not a significant portion.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I understand, but I'm just saying you have that entire population, then you know, my age to your age, I think it's probably 60, 70%.

[Chaps]

2.5 billion prompts per day. Over 900 million weekly active users worldwide.

[Chief]

900 million active worldwide. So that's about. That's about 12%.

[Uncle Dave]

It says since its launch, ChatGPT has been used by 10% of the global adult population.

[Chaps]

34% of adults is what I'm seeing here in the United States.

[Chief]

Yeah, I think that would check out. Yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I think that's only going straight up.

[Chief]

Yeah, definitely.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I mean, it's unavoidable. Like, even with your new updates on your phone, you can't avoid using.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

At this point, you just can't. Like, you can't even fucking go to Wendy's, dude. Like, I went to Wendy's the other day and like, near my house, it's the worst shit ever. Because you're like, I would like to have a double stack. Double stack. And then you're like, can I have no ketchup? It's already moved on. And if it. You can't go back. Like, it won't. It doesn't. And then I go to the window, the person comes like, hey, I actually wanted Large fry instead of a medium. They're like, oh, we can't. Once it's already in, we can't do it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So it was an AI taking your order.

[Chief]

Yeah. And it's like, dude, you're making less money because of. I couldn't add things on. Ridiculous. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And it's like nobody's a fan. You know, it's not like this is a, like a politically divisive issue. Like, I don't think anybody likes this.

[Chief]

There are certain things about it that I think are absolutely incredible. Like what? I'm doing a series where I go through every single country in the world alphabetically and asking certain very like poignant questions about like a certain area. And it can give me information about that, like in a format that I want repeatable. Give it a project. I love it for that kind of stuff.

[Chaps]

I think as great for recipes too. Yeah, it's awesome for us, I think

[Chief]

as if you're like, I have these ingredients.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What can I make as it exists now? Like, yeah, I think there's a ton of practical uses for it and great stuff. But like, I'm talking about the, the founders of these companies demanding that, hey,

[Chief]

make her wear a blue bikini.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Sure.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But like them demanding they be funded by the federal government. And like we're going to take every job and then you guys can figure out what your jobs will be after that.

[Chaps]

Yeah, it's fucked.

[Chief]

Like the, the funniest thing is like, people like, you got to learn to code. No, you don't know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Not anymore.

[Chief]

Yeah. Those guys got fired before anybody else. You got to learn to be a plumber.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

You got to have a trade. I keep trying to talk my older daughter and to go like go to trade school. Go like be for you ladies. Imagine if my kid, 20 years old, went to go to be a plumber or something like that and advertised that it was a plumbing business that only serviced women's houses and it was only women that showed up.

[Uncle Dave]

Love.

[Chief]

Like if you were a 20 something, 30 something professional and you want and you had stuff to get done, you'd feel immensely more comfortable.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Calling somebody like that to your house. Right.

[Uncle Dave]

It's just. Yeah, it's the same thing like Uber now does. You can prioritize getting a woman rider. Yeah. Women. Or like a woman. Yeah. Driver. Yeah. Well, you can. You're the rider. You're the rider. But I'm sure you can prioritize that too. But I think it's a similar thing and I think not that I, I also don't own a home. So I don't have these problems quite yet. But I'm sure that I would feel far more comfortable if like a 27 year old woman was fixing my pipes rather than like a shady, somebody looks like me.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

No, I mean, not. I'm not.

[Chaps]

I mean, yes, but honestly. Yeah, you can say it.

[Chief]

A tattooed ginger fuck comes to your house. Like, I feel uneasy, chaps.

[Uncle Dave]

Doesn't make me uncomfortable, but I know what you mean. I mean, yeah, probably, especially if it was marketed that way of like, you know, I am a plumber for women. I like that idea personally. And people that are going to the trades like plumbing and all that make a lot of money.

[Chief]

Yeah, dude.

[Uncle Dave]

Way, way more money than I think people do.

[Chief]

I collect this for my kid.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah, yeah. Like you can make a very good living. What was it? The other day? I think I saw someone on Twitter, got a job being a mailman and they were ecstatic because they were like, I have punched my ticket to a middle class life that has benefits and a retirement and like I have set myself on a great path.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

For being a mailman. Which you don't think again. You don't think about that as much, I don't think. But those are great career paths.

[Chaps]

And until that fucking coco robot starts delivering mail.

[Chief]

Yeah, right.

[Uncle Dave]

Well, they're going to smash into bus station windows. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The postal service is actually. You want to look into people that make insane amounts of money. Yeah, the postal service, strong union and

[Uncle Dave]

I think, I mean, plumbing isn't going to get replaced by AI. You know, like, can't really.

[Chaps]

I mean. Right.

[Chief]

I mean, you could like. Like the diagnosis part of like what's going on. They could put in a camera. I could probably figure out a different thing. But like the actual doing it going into, like you're not how. I mean, eventually, I'm sure, but like a robot's gonna go upstairs to my house and figure out what's going on.

[Uncle Dave]

But not anytime soon.

[Chief]

Anytime soon.

[Uncle Dave]

No, like it's like you saying that where it's like they could diagnose, you know, a problem with AI maybe. It's almost like the way you said that, it reminded me of like laparoscopic surgery in a weird way.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

Where it's like. Yeah. They can do all of these things with, you know, the tiniest incisions and go in and blow your stomach up and do that. But you still need the surgeon to do it. Like you still need. Yeah. The human dexterity.

[Chaps]

They're getting crazy because my My two best friends, this school from Berkshire are now surgeons. They do like crazy robotics with. For surgery now too.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

But there's still a doctor in the room, like using it. But it is. They do a lot of robotic surgery now.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah, I didn't realize someone or someone I know got laparoscopic surgery recently. I didn't realize that they like super inflate your stomach or if it's like,

[Chaps]

if it's in your stomach.

[Uncle Dave]

Laparoscopic surgery. Yeah, it's basically instead of, let's say like my dad got it to get part of his colon removed.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Uncle Dave]

So let's say if a normal surgery, you know, they like, yeah, do the big incision. They go in da, da, da. For this, for a laparoscopic surgery. They make tiny, tiny little incisions. And again, from what I think they inflate your stomach. They put a ton of air into your stomach to give them more room to work around. And they basically take long. I don't even know what to call it. I'm not the best person to talk about this because I'm an idiot.

[Chief]

No, act like an expert, just saying thank you.

[Uncle Dave]

But they use basically like a camera and they go in and cut it with like they're behind the screen and you're almost like playing a video game.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Surgery.

[Uncle Dave]

Oh, crazy is I guess the better way to call it. But instead of having a huge, you know, five inch scar across your stomach, you have three. Like one on. A lot of the times they go through your belly button. So it'll be like one tiny one on your belly button and then maybe like two on your obliques or something, but it's far less invasive. And they basically just take a long tool and a camera and they do,

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

do, do, do, do.

[Uncle Dave]

And they do little.

[Chaps]

I had that. I had a knee surgery and a wrist surgery where they. It was like the same thing where they made like a little baby incision because I was just getting stuff sucked out of there. And then it was like a local anesthesia and then you could. I remember like watching it on the camera. It was like a black and white camera and they would go in and suck it out. But then for the wrist one, I was 16 or 17, I hadn't grown yet, but the nurse was a friend of my older cousin, so I knew her and she was so hot. And I look like Anne Hathaway all time. Yeah. And I guess that I. And I wouldn't like, I was afraid of girls at this point, but I guess I was hitting on this girl like Incessantly to the point that they're just like, knock him out. Like up, up. His anesthesia. Just put him unconscious.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You could watch your surgery.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like, and you didn't. That didn't freak you out?

[Chief]

Dude, I love doing that.

[Chaps]

No, it didn't bother me at all.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

See, when I had to get my elbow surgery, I tried to watch it on YouTube before and like, see what it was. And it made my anxiety so much worse. I was, I, I could, I watched 30 seconds and I was like, I can't.

[Chaps]

I think there, there are like parts of my body that I would freak out about. Like, I can't. Like, if I ever had to have contacts, I wouldn't be able to. I like can't touch my eyes.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I don't understand how people do that.

[Chief]

I watched them give me a vasectomy.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I think I would be nervous about that too.

[Chief]

That was a good time. That one, the one that gave me the most pause. Oh, my favorite one I've done. There's actually a video. Maybe I'll see if I can find it and send it to you guys. Of me getting my eye cut open.

[Chaps]

Oh, no.

[Chief]

I had banana induced pink eye and I had like a big cyst like on the inside of my eyelid where they had to take it and like lance it open to do like the draining stop and do things with the. I'm doing a selfie video while the guy's doing it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Do not send that.

[Chief]

And I'm like, this is one of

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

the best military doctors.

[Chief]

If you like military stuff, download, subscribe, zero block 30. And the guy's like, I've never heard anybody cut an ad read while I was cutting his eye open. That one was your eyeball. Like my eyelid. Like it looks huge, but it's like going straight into my.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Do not send that.

[Chaps]

Yeah, I don't want to see that.

[Chief]

Yeah, I posted it on ZBT. I think we lost like 5, 000 followers.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Actually.

[Chief]

I had that one and then I watched them. Maybe my favorite one ever. I had ingrown toenails and watched them take the scalpel and go straight down the middle.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I do watch some of those on Tick Tock.

[Chaps]

So I don't think that would bother me.

[Chief]

Eyes would bother me watching and get myself get attacked too. I love all that.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Wrist and knee didn't bother me, but I think like any like actual organ.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Would bother me.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

The toenails, they take a like razor sharp thing and they just cut down into your like to the knuckle on your toe and pull out.

[Chief]

It's a razor. Yeah.

[Chaps]

And a razor sharp razor.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, but I mean, it just cuts through it like butter. And pull out a shard of. Of nail.

[Chaps]

I've never had that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, I watch those on Tick Tock sometimes.

[Chief]

I'm trying to find it. I gotta show chief.

[Chaps]

No, I don't want to see.

[Chief]

Yes, you do.

[Chaps]

The eye.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I or the toenail?

[Chief]

The eye. I don't have a video. No, thank you.

[Chaps]

I don't really want to see the eye chaps.

[Chief]

Yes, you do.

[Chaps]

You're gonna make me see this.

[Chief]

I got. I gotta find it.

[Chaps]

I hope you don't.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We'll get to our main story.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Before you.

[Chief]

All right.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Chaps]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't think any of us had ever heard of this.

[Chaps]

No.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I was just looking up stuff and I came across this and I was like, that would be a good episode. And I wanted chaps because the main guy in this story, other than FDR is a guy named Smedley Butler.

[Chaps]

Wars a racket.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So, chaps, were you familiar with Smedley Butler?

[Chief]

Prior lived on Camp Smedley Butler for

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

really four and a half years. Yeah. Wow.

[Chaps]

I have the book.

[Chief]

Yeah. Wars of racket. Smelly Butler, unbelievable leader. One of only HE2 medal of honors. There's not many in history that have ever done that. And he's actually the only one of only two Marines. The other one I have tattooed on my arm, John Basilone or no Johnny, only wanted one. Smelly, I think is the only one, got two. But he was an unbelievable leader. World War I, the V. The V, the VA as it exists, does not exist without. Really Butler, without a doubt, because they. He went and had like, a big to do on the steps of the Washington Capitol, complaining about how what people were promised after World War I, when they came back and they weren't getting it. And he went to. He actually ran for president, like, to ensure that people would get what they wanted. And that's why when he came back, everybody did what they were asked to in World War I, and companies got richer and war is a racket or is a racket.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. So he, between World War I and World War II, was like the most famous and beloved military person in the country, probably at least amongst other military members. Like, they all loved him.

[Chief]

Yeah, he's a God. Yeah. He's a badass.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. So Teddy Roosevelt called him the ideal American soldier. And over the course of his career, he received the army and Navy Distinguished Service Medals, the French Order de la Tour Noir, whatever that is, and in distinction, ensured his place in the Marine Corps pantheon, earning the Medal of Honor twice. So very famous military figure. And in 1934, this guy named Gerald McGuire, who was a Wall street guy, he dealt.

[Chief]

Show me the money.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. He dealt in bonds and all sorts of stuff. He had been all over Europe and he was in France and Italy and Germany under Hitler, and he just kind of liked the way those countries ran under those leaders.

[Chaps]

Big fascist guy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. So he came back to America under FDR and was not thrilled with the New Deal and things that FDR was doing. So his idea was, I'm going to go to Smedley Butler, this guy who every troop in the United States would die for, and we're going to get him to lead a coup, more or less. So he goes to Smedley Butler and is like, listen, so we've. He and a group of investors that may or may not have involved the. The dupont family, JP Morgan.

[Chaps]

Yep.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Potentially. There's no proof, but there is speculation that. What is George Bush's dad's name?

[Chief]

HW.

[Chaps]

Herbert Walker Prescott Bush.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Prescott Bush, HW's dad. He was potentially among this group as well. And they had amassed this amount of money. They pulled it all together and they went to Smedley Butler and were like, listen, you're gonna. They wanted him to give a speech here in Chicago. And I believe the American Legion, you know, gathering yearly, annual, whatever. And they were like, we want you to get a group of guys that would kind of help us facilitate this overthrow of fdr, more or less the business plot. Right. And so. So they thought Smedley Butler would be on board with them. And he instead kind of just went to Congress and was like, hey, this group of guys wants to try to overthrow your president, you probably do something about that. And late in 1935, Butler went further, declaring in an article for a radical magazine, quote, only the United Kingdom has beaten record for square miles of territory acquired by military conquest. Our exploits against the American Indian, against the Filipinos, the Mexicans in Spain, are on par with the campaigns of Genghis Khan, the Japanese in Manchuria, and the African attack of Mussolini. So he had been all over Central America and in Honduras and Nicaragua and all these different places, kind of extending the American footprint. And he was very averse to that and was really not on board with this plan. And so they thought they were going to run an offshoot of the American Legion called, what they want to call it the Liberty League. The Liberty League was announced on August 23, 1934, on the front page of the New York Times. The article quoted its founders claim that it was a nonpartisan group whose aim was to combat radicalism, preserve property rights, uphold and preserve the Constitution. So they wanted Butler to lead that group, which would then hopefully amass a military following, at which point they could try to overthrow fdr.

[Chaps]

So basically, like, we're going to start a civil war here.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. And I don't even know. I think they were kind of hoping it'd be over quick.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Like that they could just kind of take it because every military member would. Would follow Butler rather than.

[Chaps]

Yeah, they bet on the wrong horse.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this seems like something that people would have heard about at some point and you think really buried.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

In there.

[Chaps]

I feel like most people don't even know about Smedley Butler in general.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I didn't.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I mean he's, he's a. You know, if you're in the marines, I'm sure you hear about him.

[Chief]

But yeah, he's probably one of the three top that you hear. Chesty John Basilone Smedley.

[Chaps]

Yeah. No, it's crazy. Like the 30s just seem like sneaky, like the wildest time in human history or in recent. Recent history because you had like, you had the Great Depression. You had all the stuff with, you know, people returning from War. You had like the Hoovervilles. You had Prohibition and the rise of, you know, people like Al Capone and things like that. Then you had like, the build up to World War II, where like fascism and Nazism and communism, these are all like very popular ideas kind of globally, to the point that in 1939 there was a rally, a Nazi party rally in Madison Square Garden sold it out. 20,000 people showed up being like, yeah, Hitler's onto something with what he's doing over there. So it's just like. It feels like that was like a big inflection point where it was like, very. You had a lot of ideas converging at the end of kind of the Industrial Revolution and then World War II happens and it all kind of goes away. But that was like a very, like, I don't know, like a tipping point for the world. It could have gone a wildly different direction. To have, like, openly 20,000 people attending a Nazi rally just feels like the most insane thing ever. And it was at Madison Square Garden.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And it's interesting that World War II was such a rallying point, whereas now, I mean, hell, we might be going into a war. It doesn't seem like there's any war that would. I mean, short of a Pearl harbor or 911 or something like that, forcing us into something. I don't think there's anything that would galvanize America militarily like, that would get people all pulling in the same direction.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I feel like people maybe had more or less suspicion in the government back then and like, there was more of, like, I feel like. I don't know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know if it was less suspicion of the government, certainly more of a nationalistic, you know, patriotism.

[Chaps]

Yeah. But I think, I think at post 9 11, it was like, you know, everybody was like, all united and.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But even that's a very different world.

[Chaps]

No, I know, but I think if. If something horrible like that happened now, I don't think you would have the same response from the American people. I think people be like, what's this about?

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Oh, I agree.

[Chief]

I feel like you, a vast majority of the population then thought it was a very unprovoked attack.

[Chaps]

Correct.

[Chief]

I don't feel like people would see it and assume that it was an unprovoked attack.

[Chaps]

Exactly. That's, that's, that's what I'm trying to say. That was a much better way to say it.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We have people say that.

[Chaps]

Yeah. About what?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

About like, America deserved 911 and things like that.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

You See that now, that was not. Oh, no, I'm not a thought. I mean.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But I'm saying you have people that

[Chief]

are saying that that one aren't old enough to remember what it was actually like and what actually happened. It's hindsight bias. With the last 25 years thrown in and mixed in. You're developing an opinion over. Over that time, but I feel like that's the difference is.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Unprovoked versus provoked.

[Chaps]

Correct.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But so I'm saying if something happened like that now, there would be that in the immediate aftermath.

[Chief]

The immediate would be. I think you would see a lot more. We deserve this.

[Chaps]

Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

[Chief]

For sure.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Because, like, the way that. And I don't know if you would. I don't know if it's really that different in how we're playing around the world. It's just that the way that we're doing it is so much more, like, obvious.

[Chaps]

And I think people are more aware people. I think people are more aware of our foreign policy missteps because it's been on TV and the Internet.

[Chief]

Social media has been a game changer for people connecting dots and seeing how this has impacted that.

[Chaps]

Yeah. And then you look back and it's like it goes all the way back, you know, kind of to World War I, but with our involvement, it's like, oh, wait, like, we got rid of a democratically elected guy in Iran and put in, like, our. You know, it's all like the Allen Dulles CIA stuff. They were just like, oh, like, we've been fucking around for a hundred years now. So it's like, what. What is the actual cause of this? But it's like, I was 15 when 9, 11 happened. And it did feel like, you know, the narrative was they hate us because of our freedom. They're like, oh, well, fuck you. Like, we. We love the way we live. And it was never like, a conversation about, like. Like, what were the motivations? Why do people hate us abroad? And it was just like, they don't like us because, you know, we had, like, women have freedom and, you know, whatever. That's just like a cult. They made it like a culture war. And that.

[Chief]

The freedom thing is crazy. Like, the way that. That was always, like, for our generation, like, it basically felt like we were the only country that was.

[Chaps]

Right.

[Chief]

And now, like, you get older and you're like, wait, yeah, lots have a lot. Yeah, the same type.

[Chaps]

Right.

[Chief]

And in fact, more and probably more.

[Chaps]

And so, yeah, in lots of cases. Lots of cases for sure.

[Chief]

Even the Heritage, the very, very conservative group is like we're probably like about 28, 29.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Is that right?

[Chief]

Yeah, that's like they say it. Yeah, look that up. What is it?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Who's won?

[Chief]

The Heritage foundation and it's always like the Norway's and Sweden. Finlands of the world.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So here's index of economic freedom from the Heritage Foundation. They have Singapore one. Not sure.

[Chief]

Singapore is like they have the strongest passport in the world.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Really.

[Chief]

Like, like as far as respected and worked with widely. Singapore is one for sure. And then you have like most members of the European Union would be up there as well.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They have Singapore, Switzerland, Ireland, Australia, Taiwan as they're like.

[Chief]

That's economic though.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yes, that's what I saw when I.

[Chaps]

So I. I'm on the actual website for it now and they have it broken into different things. They have an overall score which North Korea ranks dead last. Cuba's right behind them, Venezuela, Sudan, whatever. But Singapore, Switzerland, Ireland, Australia. That's for the overall score, property rights scores. Finland, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Sweden, Netherlands, Austria. Like we're not even. We get. We're slightly behind Lithuania when it comes to property rights, government integrity. We are behind Belgium for that. We got a score of 77.1. I don't know what these scores are based off of.

[Chief]

So do you want me just rip through the top until we get to United States for which like for the overall score.

[Chaps]

Sure.

[Chief]

At Singapore, Switzerland, Ireland, Australia, Taiwan, Luxembourg, Denmark, Norway, Estonia, Netherlands, Sweden, New Zealand, Finland, Canada, Lithuania, Iceland, Chile, Cyprus, South Korea, Czech Republic and then the United States.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You skip Mauritius?

[Chief]

Huh?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Skip Mauritius?

[Chief]

Oh yeah, I did skip Mauritius.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Is that how that's pronounced?

[Chief]

Yeah. M A U R T I U S. Do you know where that is?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's in Africa. Right.

[Chief]

Do you know where at?

[Chaps]

It's islands. Right? Indian Ocean.

[Chief]

Yep. It's off the coast of Madagascar.

[Chaps]

I. I feel like I must have skipped the United States on the tax burden part, but I'm still scrolling Tax burden.

[Chief]

We're pretty. Pretty tax burden. 75 is where we're at.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So when you go tax burden, UAE is number one at 99.9. That means like no taxes.

[Chief]

No, that means the money.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Most taxes.

[Chief]

Oh. The EU has significant taxing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What's their taxes looking like usually?

[Chief]

Like if you like it's 40 is the. For middle class.

[Chaps]

Damn. Denmark might be the place to be then.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm seeing you.

[Chief]

Mark is always ranked number one as far as like government or like citizen happiness as well.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So they, they rank highest in property rights, government integrity. They're very, very high judicial effectiveness. They could be higher. And then other than North Korea, they have the lowest tax burden. And then government spending is the last category.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

UAE has no income tax.

[Chief]

That's right.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So then how do they have the most taxes?

[Chief]

Huh?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You said they have the most taxes.

[Chief]

Who? Denmark. I said UAE did. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's why.

[Chief]

Oh, I thought you said the eu.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, uae. Oh, no, I know. Europe.

[Chaps]

You're taxed out, then Denmark does.

[Chief]

I misheard you. I thought you said. Okay, yeah, I thought you said the eu.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Uae.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So then Denmark has the highest tax burden on their citizens and they have the lowest score.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That makes sense.

[Chaps]

Yes.

[Chief]

Because they have, they have free college, they have free health care. They have like, maternity paternity leave for 52 weeks.

[Chaps]

Well, and that was our guy Merle's. So he finishes career playing hockey in Sweden and met his wife there. And I think they're moving back or have moved back. But they had like three kids. They would have a kid, do the maternity leave right up until the threshold, pregnant again, have a kid right up. And it's like three years. And then. So they had like three kids in nine years or something like that. And they're like, all right, we've exhausted the system. Back to America. So I think he's. I think he's moving upstate New York. But they, it's just like a policy that's put in place because their birth rate was so low. They wanted to encourage people to have more kids, so they just removed the burden.

[Chief]

They do a lot. Like Hungary did that too.

[Chaps]

Did they?

[Chief]

Yeah, they give you $100,000 grant. You can apply for a hundred thousand dollar grant, and if you have one kid, you can pay it back interest free over the course of 30 years. If you have two kids, you can repay it over the course of 20 years. Like, or something like, they add more time. And then if you have three kids or more, then they completely waive it. You don't have to pay back.

[Chaps]

Damn.

[Chief]

Because they want more kids. So they have like a lot of bid benefits for having children there. But the thing is, it's targeting like poor people more so because that incentive does. Is not effective to, like, the richer class.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

And a lot of people say that that is by design because they want to have more people with lower SES scores. Lower. So continue to vote in a certain way.

[Chaps]

Huh.

[Chief]

Targeted.

[Chaps]

Interesting.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But yeah, we're.

[Chaps]

We're not doing great.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No, UAE's tax policy sounds good to me. No personal income tax on salaries or private income, 5% value added tax to most goods and services, 9% federal corporate tax.

[Chief]

Yeah, all you got to do is just completely nationalize all of their, all of your natural resources like oil and use that money to for good. I mean we could definitely do that, but BP and Exxon would have a big issue with that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

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[Chaps]

No, hoover was before MacArthur who fired MacArthur. MacArthur. While MacArthur was fired, it would have been in the 50s, 40s, because he was the, he. He was like the general in charge of the Korean.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Truman.

[Chaps]

Truman.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So truman fires Douglas MacArthur.

[Chaps]

Well, MacArthur was like. Because MacArthur at that time the generals had the authority to launch nukes. And they were like he was thinking about doing it in the Korean War. So then they like changed the policy and like you gotta go.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

If, if MacArthur, if, if people had done this with MacArthur, like people wanted MacArthur to try to like become president and try to.

[Chaps]

Yeah, that in the.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Maybe not overthrow the government, but he had a massive support.

[Chief]

It's pretty common though, and like for it and it hasn't happened yet with like the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but there. Schwarzkopf was like super popular. Colin Powell was super popular. Eisenhower got elected. Ulysses S. Grant, like there's like throughout American history.

[Chaps]

Jackson.

[Chief]

Yeah, the major. Washington. Well that's what I'm saying the major players in history. It just hasn't happened in this current environment. But I could see that. That taking place for sure. We're just getting to the age now where people that are in the war on terror popping up. Like there's certain. What's his name from Arizona. Ruben Galleo is like getting more popular as a senator and he's like an anti war war guy because he fought there. The Graham trainer dude from Maine. Like you have certain people that are getting more and more popular. Dan Crenshaw, probably the biggest bag fumbler for that because he has like the look and the demeanor and. But just turns out he's a idiot.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But those guys were all just like pretty regular soldiers, right? Not. Yeah, not like generals.

[Chief]

Yeah, like the generals one. I feel like for the general you have to have a big win. And that's true. The biggest ones that came from that class. Mattis would have been one. But he never had like those political aspirations. John Kelly was the chief of staff the first time.

[Chaps]

Stanley McChrystal never really did anything political. Right.

[Chief]

He was involved a little bit, but not nearly as much as the other guys. John Allen, a Marine general as well, whose son was killed.

[Chaps]

Petraeus.

[Chief]

Like Petraeus. But he fucked it up by leaking classified information.

[Chaps]

Yep.

[Chief]

So we had some of those big generals, but nobody has.

[Chaps]

Yeah, Baldic.

[Chief]

General Bolduc was. He was one of the first special forces guys that was on the ground in Afghanistan. Actually rode horseback in.

[Chaps]

No shit?

[Chief]

Yeah, they rode horseback in. But he turned out to be like a fucking lunatic.

[Chaps]

Okay. And we never really had like a. Unless I'm blanking. On somebody like a viable presidential candidate who was a Vietnam war veteran either. And maybe it's the same thing.

[Chief]

John McCain.

[Chaps]

John McCain. John McCain.

[Chief]

Pretty big one.

[Chaps]

That was an oversight.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Rest in peace.

[Chaps]

John McCain. Yeah. But I guess he ran. What did. How many times did he run?

[Chief]

Twice.

[Chaps]

He ran against Bush in 2000 and then just.08. That was it. He didn't run before that. The 90s, he might have, but those are the.

[Chief]

Those are the two big ones. Yeah, for sure.

[Chaps]

Yeah. And I suppose John Kerry too.

[Chief]

Yeah, John Kerry. Maybe the most done dirty of any veteran I can remember in a long time.

[Chaps]

You're talking about swift bolts or whatever. I don't really know about that.

[Chief]

He actually got shot. So like the thing with the Purple Heart. The Purple Heart is not like a buddy. Like you can put your buddy in. Like if me and you were in the same unit, I outrank you. I could write a glowing report for you to get you like a Bronze Star or something like that. He did this. I can really exaggerate it. To get a Purple Heart, it's comes from a medical doctor.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Like the doctor has to identify that you got injured in combat. Like for me, like I have awards for bravery. So like, like Nam with a V. They have to get witness statements. They have to like do all kinds of research. You have to have multiple people that saw all the things that I did. Multiple people vouch. They have to write out these paragraph long, like give the situation was hazardous duty pay, all of that. It took months for that award to get finalized. I had a Purple Heart in the system by the time I left the hospital. Because it's that automatic. Yeah, for the most part. There is some people that it could take a long time, but like 95 of Purple Hearts are not that way.

[Chaps]

Okay. Yeah, it was McCain, just 2000, 2008.

[Chief]

Yeah, I was, I was there. One of my favorite memories was being at the debate in Long island of President Obama, then Senator Obama and John McCain. I was there with a big ass dog, Santos, his name, Czechoslovakian shepherd, weighed like 150 pounds, massive. And I was standing behind the debate stage where McCain and Obama were going to come out to the sides and John McCain goes, that's a big dog. And I was like, yeah. He's like, I've been around the military for a long time. That's the biggest working dog I've ever seen. And it was the biggest one I had ever seen too. I was like, yeah, he's a big boy. And he was like, can I pet him? And I was like, no, Senator, you can't. And Barack Obama goes, well, I'm not going to ask the same question. I don't want to bet him that's a big dog. So. But he was always really cool with them too. Like, both those guys were awesome. That was a fun, fun thing to

[Chaps]

do and be a part of.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I was just curious. I was looking at the 2000 Republican primaries. So Bush obviously one ran away with the delegates. McCain got a few. There was only one other guy who received delegates. I've never heard of this guy. Do y' all know who it was?

[Chief]

I do. And that's who I voted for.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Really?

[Chief]

I. Well, maybe not delegates. I'm surprised. Mike Huckabee. Mike Huckabee definitely ran into. That's who I voted for.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm only seeing that there were.

[Chaps]

I thought he was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You voted for Mike Huckabee?

[Chief]

That was my first for My first presidential election.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Really?

[Chaps]

I could have sworn he was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm only seeing one other guy that got delegated delegates. His name is Alan Keys.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Black guy.

[Chief]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs.

[Chief]

When did Mike Huckabee drop out? That's who I voted for in the Florida primary.

[Chaps]

2008. Right?

[Chief]

No, because it was before I went to Iraq.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know. I'm. He must, he must not have made it to the end.

[Chaps]

Says 2008.

[Chief]

Huckabee. Yeah, I know. He ran before that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Mike.

[Chaps]

He ran an 8 and 16 is what I'm showing.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I'm not seeing anything in 2000. He won seven states in 2008.

[Chief]

Maybe it was 2008. Then I've misremembered who I voted for first. Then who could it have been?

[Chaps]

Alan Keys.

[Chief]

Definitely wasn't Alan Keys.

[Chaps]

Were you able to vote in 2000? How old are you?

[Chief]

18.

[Chaps]

You were 18. Okay.

[Chief]

Huh. Well then I've misremembered this. I've told this story 20 times. It might be inaccurate. That's surprising.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You're wrong.

[Chief]

No, because I mean, I definitely would have voted before then. I remember voting for Bush before I went to Iraq.

[Chaps]

So that was either 2000 or 2004.

[Chief]

2004.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Chief]

Who was the Republican guy in 2000? That was the list that you just said.

[Chaps]

Alan Keys withdrew during primary. It was John McCain, Bush, Steve Forbes, Gary Bauer, Orrin Hatch, who is a senator from Utah, Lamar Alexander, Pat Buchanan, Herman Cain, Elizabeth Dole, John Kasich from Ohio. Dan Quail ran a guy from New Hampshire named Bob Smith.

[Chief]

Shout out Bob Smith.

[Chaps]

Shout out Bob Smith.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

All right.

[Chief]

Well, that's not who. But I, I just went on the record. I did in fact vote for Mike Huckabee, which I think is maybe the most shocking fact.

[Chaps]

That is a shock.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I still can't tell if you're doing a bid or not.

[Chief]

I, I mean, I went to Southern Baptist Seminary. Dude. He was a, he was a two term governor from Baptist minister. Who was the governor of Arkansas. He was my guy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Wow.

[Chief]

Super against abortion. I was all in.

[Uncle Dave]

What was your first election that you voted Democrat in?

[Chief]

Probably when I voted Obama on the second one. I voted for McCain in 08 and then I voted for Obama in 12 over Romney. Yeah. And that's just because I like had worked with President Obama and saw like how much he actually cared about what was going on in the world. I thought that he had done a really good job. So that's who I voted for.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's fascinating because I think in the last 10 to 15 years, the switch that people made was like, Trump got a lot of Obama voters. So I think there's people who went that way. But you made the switch before that.

[Chief]

There was absolutely nothing that would have made me vote for Trump ever after he said no.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I know, but I'm just saying.

[Chief]

I'm saying because of. Even before, like, politics involved, based on what he said about John McCain, like, when he got captured, like, that was immediate disqualification for me forever. Like, just that alone. The level of disrespect that it takes to talk shit about somebody's service who is legitimately hung by meat hooks for hours at a time, for months at a time, both of his legs broken 6 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton. Like, to me, that was a disqualifier.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm just saying I'm curious how many McCain voters Obama got.

[Chaps]

I bet you Obama got a ton of Bush voters.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You think?

[Chaps]

Yeah, yeah,

[Chief]

yeah. I mean, the way that. How the war was going and the surge, like, and people just wanting something just totally different. I feel like that's the swing of politics. After eight years, you're going to get something insanely different.

[Chaps]

And also that was right at the time of the mortgage crisis, too. 0708 09. So, like, like that was that. I think there were a lot of people who probably voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004. The war is going terrible, the economy's a disaster. He had the Katrina thing that they're like, probably like this guy, and they swing over to Obama and he wins in a landslide.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. Yeah. That's an interesting voting history.

[Chief]

Mm. Yeah.

[Chaps]

Seeing like, personal development history, too.

[Chief]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the things that I thought have changed as I've gotten older.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I didn't. I wasn't always a super lib.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Did Huckabee get close?

[Chief]

I think he was like, in second. Yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah. I think he won Iowa, if I recall.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, I saw that he won New Hampshire. Yeah. McCain, 137. Huckabee won eight. Romney 111.

[Chaps]

In where? Iowa.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Just like, contests.

[Chief]

Oh.

[Chaps]

Oh. Contest over other.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Now that adds up to 56. So I guess it is like Puerto Rico and all that. I guess they throw in there.

[Chief]

I would doubt it. I don't know.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It says contest 1, 37, 11 and 8.

[Chief]

Maybe the two main ones. Like the main one, main two. And then you have like, Nebraska.

[Chaps]

Nebraska split. But do they do that at the primary level, too? They split that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I don't know, it was McCain. And then Huckabee had a few more delegates than Romney, but Romney won more contests and had more popular votes.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

And then Ron Paul had almost nothing.

[Chief]

I liked Ron Paul.

[Chaps]

I like Ron Paul. I still like Ron Paul. There was. There was that one thing that a document leaked in the Epstein files where he was basically talking about all the presidential candidates. And someone. Someone searched Ron Paul. It's like, yeah, like, we can. We got all these guys except for that fucker Ron Paul. Yeah, it's like the one guy who can't be corrupted.

[Chief]

I had no idea until recently that Rand Paul didn't graduate from college.

[Chaps]

I thought he was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I thought he was.

[Chief]

He left Baylor University and went to, like, before he graduated and back in the day had a provision that if you got in and you passed a certain level of test and you had people that vouch for you could get in. So he's a doctor from Duke University who never got a bachelor's degree.

[Chaps]

Did not know that.

[Chief]

Isn't that crazy?

[Chaps]

It is crazy.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I mean, I guess if you take the MCAT and, you know, I mean,

[Chief]

it's not that crazy comparatively to the rest of the world. The rest of the world doesn't do that. Like, if you're. You can go straight to dental school and be a dentist, that is your college. Like, you can. Like, there's a lot of other countries that you can do that where you don't need to go. That's why it's harder for other people to go to different colleges overseas and then come here because they don't meet a lot of the criteria.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Could you not theoretically still do that? Like, if you just. If. If you go to college for a little while and then you're like, I'm way smarter than this, and you take the MCAT and kill it.

[Chief]

I'm sure that there might be schools. I'm not aware of any schools that.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

It's unlikely, but.

[Chief]

But yeah, there definitely is. As far as, like, the bar. Like, you don't have to go to law school to be a lawyer in Texas. You pass the bar, you could do it. There's certain things that you can't do. Like, there's certain aspects of law that you can't practice, but you can go be like a public defender. You can do a lot of law without going to law school.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You don't have to be a lawyer

[Chief]

trying to do it. Yeah, true. You don't have to be an elected member of Congress to be the speaker of the House.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I found that one out more recently.

[Chaps]

I'm finding it out right now. How do you become speaker of the House?

[Chief]

They vote for you.

[Chaps]

Just the people in Congress.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Because remember a couple years ago, I guess it's when Johnson ended up becoming the speaker. They were trying to get somebody.

[Chief]

They were. They had floated the idea that Trump could go be the speaker.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Is that what it was?

[Chaps]

That is what it was.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

They had that. There was talks about Michelle Obama at one point. Like, our country is just ridiculous. Just like totally unsafe.

[Chaps]

We know that name.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

All right. Well, is that all we got, gang? I just thought the, the, the potential overthrow of FDR was an interesting.

[Chief]

Yeah. Early.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That I'd never heard before.

[Chaps]

Early into his presidency too.

[Chief]

Also bring back cool names like Smedley.

[Chaps]

Yeah. What happened to that name? Yeah, you would think that that would. It's not a great sounding name.

[Chief]

Smedley.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That sounds like it. It lasted in middle names for a little while longer and then eventually you just get rid of it.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

That's like when you're, when you have a lot. Someone's last name as a middle name, it's like, oh, why do you have that weird name? It's like, oh, it's my mom's maiden name. That's how it. That's how it continues.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

I wish my. So I'm named after my grandfather on my dad's side. My dad and my grandfather, Matthew Mitchell Cawthran. And I wish that I was named after my mom's dad because his was ready for it. Sanford Roscoe. Damn. Roscoe. I would be in Elite. Roscoe.

[Chaps]

Roscoe's a good name. I also feel like that's a good dog name.

[Chief]

Ross. Excellent dog name. Yeah.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

We actually almost. If Lady Mae was a boy, we would have named her Roscoe.

[Chaps]

Really?

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Because I live not far from Roscoe Village. I think if I got a puppy when I lived in Roscoe Village, I would just name him Roscoe.

[Chief]

Yeah. And my grandfather Roscoe was a propane salesman. Had polio hopped around all over the place and almost had to go into an iron lung when he was little. Ended up being my longest surviving grandparent.

[Chaps]

Really.

[Chief]

88.

[Chaps]

Damn.

[Chief]

It's a good life after having like polio as a, as a young kid. Yeah. Would go around on a Little Rascal Scooter was. Had a radio show actually, like in local. Small town Florida. Palaca, Florida. He had a radio show on Saturday mornings where people would call in and ask him questions about plants like vegetables and like, oh, I'm having trouble with My crate myrtles. What could I do? And he would give you like little tips on how to take care. And he had like his. He would take his little Rascal scooter and put the buckets that had like the clippings that he would make and he would put them on his Rascal scooter, go from his backyard to his front yard and sit out there on like Sunday Saturday afternoons and sell them to different people for like three bucks.

[Chaps]

Damn.

[Chief]

Yeah, Legend.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You don't get lives like that anymore.

[Chief]

No, you don't. No. Him and Nana, they had two matching lazy Boys. Pretty sure both of them were on the spectrum too. But they had the same exact Lazy Boys that they would watch every single Braves game together. And they like had the same light on both sides of their chairs. Same chairs every single day that I can remember. They had the same exact lunch. They had a fret. They only. My Nana would go to the grocery store if there was bread in the house that was older than two days. She would not eat bread that was older than two days old. Would get shaved ham from the same exact spot.

[Chaps]

Nice.

[Chief]

He would use the spicy mustard, she would use regular. They would both have half and half tea. Like half decaffeinated, half caffeinated tea. And they would watch all the Braves games together and they would hold hands the first two innings and then they would go on their separate way.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's the dream.

[Uncle Dave]

So cute. That's genuinely big teas.

[Chaps]

That's love.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

No. Yeah, I. Yes. Eat the same thing every day. I want my own share. Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly.

[Chief]

Oh, and they had, they would eat. She would eat regular Rice Krispies cereal with cut up banana in it. He would eat Raisin Bran and then they would come back to the kitchen at 10:15. Legitimately, I'm not kidding. Every day that I can remember my life. 10:15 to eat. Have a small cup of coffee and a cookie together at the. At their. That's a table.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

10:15pm 10:15am oh, okay.

[Chief]

Cookie time. Mid midday. Cookie then. You're having their lunch at 11 o'. Clock.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Damn, that rocks.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

You'll appreciate this as a 90s viewer of the Atlanta Braves. Have you seen the new. The new theme song for the new TV channel? So the Braves broke off from their t. They have their own TV channel now.

[Chief]

Okay.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

They're their own station and the theme is like a remix of the 90s TBS song. It's pretty cool.

[Chief]

They could, if they did that, they could bring me back in the fold.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah, you should Go look it up.

[Chief]

Because I don't now that I'm. The only reason why I cared about the Astros was because I lived close and it was the one that was on TV and my kid was interested in watching. But they could. The Braves could get me back, but I'm also open to moving again to the Cubs or. Or the White Sox. The White Sox would be easy and great just because it's so cheap.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

And it's, like, super easy to get two from.

[Chaps]

See what they do with the stadium. If they put the stadium in that one in the 78th, I think they'll be cool.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

But the. The soccer stadium's being built there. Right.

[Chaps]

So there's. It goes. Soccer stadium, river, train tracks. The guy, Jason Ishvia, who's, like, the heir, he's going to eventually buy out Jerry when Jerry goes. Just bought all that land, and the thinking is that he's bought it for the future.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

So it would be even closer to downtown significantly. Okay, that'd be cool.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So. And like, you would if they Ori at the stadium. Right. Like, you could hit home runs.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

River, you could hit. Like, you'd have balls disappearing into the skyline.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, yeah, it should be the other way, right. Be facing the skyline.

[Chaps]

Yeah. So. Well, that. And like, if you were where the soccer field is, you. You couldn't really orient it that way. So you could hit balls in the skyline, but just moving it across a river helps with that. Something with, like, the way where the sun sets or something else. Reading an article about it. So, like, it's actually a better spot, still an active Amtrak train depot. So they'd have to just do something about that. But that's. That's what they're thinking, that they'll put the baseball stadium across the river from the soccer stadium, and it'd be like this whole complex.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Who's riding trains in Chicago?

[Uncle Dave]

A lot of people.

[Chaps]

I don't know about Amtrak trains.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. I'm not talking about the subway.

[Chief]

Yeah. I think Amtrak, good amount.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Going from the city to the burbs.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

We're like, that's the system.

[Chief]

Oh, the Amtrak.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I'm saying, like, who's taking Amtrak from Chicago to, you know, it goes to, like, Atlanta or whatever.

[Chief]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Dave]

It goes to Cleveland.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Northeast is the only place I've encountered people who use Amtrak because it's. It's efficient up there, and it makes sense. And people don't have cars.

[Uncle Dave]

Yeah. I think it's a good option to have in Chicago, but I think you

[Chief]

can go all the way to Miami. On it from Chicago.

[Chaps]

Really?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Florida has a train now that's supposed to be good. The bright line, it goes. I'm not sure where all it goes, but it's supposed to be a good train. It's only in Florida.

[Chief]

There's a train that I want to take that's from. Actually from Chicago to San Francisco. And you go through like the northwest of the United States.

[Chaps]

They have one that goes all the way up, like through Canada too. You could take it like, you know, through the. Through their Canadian planes, through their Canadian Rockies. And then you end up in like Vancouver.

[Chief]

I'm a big train guy. I'm going to ride the train when I'm in. I'm going to Amsterdam. Taking the squad there, my family in June.

[Chaps]

That'd be fun.

[Chief]

Had good travel this year.

[Chaps]

Yeah, you really have.

[Chief]

Yeah. Budapest, Copenhagen, Amsterdam.

[Chaps]

I'm going to go to Arkansas.

[Chief]

Ghent, Arkansas. Columbia next month for a week. Staying at a hostel for the first time.

[Chaps]

You got to look for any bluffs down there.

[Chief]

Look for. Yeah, Bluff my dick off. Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

What's in Colombia, other than the obvious?

[Chief]

I just find it to be an interesting place. I want to go to like all the old barrios. And I'm gonna go out like the hostel that I'm staying at, you can. They have all these different tours that they do every day. And you can go like four hours outside of Medellin. Like you could do all kinds of.

[Chaps]

Of things. Like the. I'm gonna go solo trip.

[Chief]

Solo trip. Gonna go to a coffee farm and they have like this spa where they like rub you down with Colombian coffee.

[Chaps]

Sounds nice.

[Chief]

And you can bring it home, you can roast your own. Like there's like the. There's so many things that look unbelievably interesting around that area. I was torn between Peru, Colombia and Chile and decided to go with Colombia.

[Chaps]

I've always wanted to go to Chile.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Chaps]

Patagonia.

[Chief]

I do too. I do too. One day I'm trying to go somewhere out of the country at least every

[Chaps]

six weeks this year. That. Jesus Christ.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's a lot.

[Chief]

Yeah, I've saved up a ton of miles. So I'm just firing those off and just waiting. And like, I go to Google flights. My whole process is go to Google flights and search in the next six months. The cheapest flights for a seven day period and whatever pops up as the cheapest. That's where I'm going.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

That's.

[Chaps]

It's quite the life.

[Chief]

So I think in August, I think I'm Going to go to the Philippines. Either Philippines or Vietnam.

[Chaps]

How much is a flight to the Philippines?

[Chief]

800.

[Chaps]

That's it.

[Chief]

If you search it that way.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Like if you look for specific dates, it's going to be expensive. But if you're willing to go. And I don't need a carry. I don't even need a carry on. Like in these spots that I'm going, I'm doing everything in a backpack.

[Chaps]

Okay.

[Chief]

So I'm like, I got these pants that are super thin, but they're for hiking, so you're not gonna get like burrs and. And you can roll those up really tight. I'm gonna bring three pairs of pants, like four shirts, wash while I'm there. Or like textiles are so cheap in a lot of these places that you could just buy a shirt.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

That you're there like August. I'm gonna bring a couple shorts and travel really light. Only make reservations for three days even though I'm there for seven and just see what's going on everywhere I go that day. I don't need to go back to the hotel that I was at. That's kind of my plan.

[Chaps]

That's awesome.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Love that.

[Chaps]

Yeah.

[Chief]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Well, thank you boys for joining today.

[Chaps]

Anytime.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Yeah. So next week I know we'll have PFT back. I. I think we'll have Aaron back. I don't know.

[Chief]

Also, let me plug an interview that we have. When is this coming out?

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Tomorrow.

[Chief]

Okay. So Monday. The episode that we do with on Drop a Pen is with dude Sealantour, who's probably my favorite youtuber. He went to Papua Indonesia, not. Not New guinea. But he stayed with cannibals.

[Chaps]

Jesus.

[Chief]

He like described like what it was like being with the cannibals there. And he was also in the hotel that got hit by the Iranian drone in when he was like getting ready to go to Oman. And so he had to stay in Dubai for like another four or five days. And he told us about that really cool interview.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Can I ask you a quick question?

[Chief]

Sure.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

I saw a video of a press guy in. I think it was Israel somewhere in the Middle east. And a rocket landed like 50ft from us him and he seemed to be fine. How. How direct of a hit do you have to take to like depends on

[Chief]

the type of munition. So like there's some munitions that are impact that aren't necessarily going to explode. He just got lucky that he didn't die. But like different types of munition have different types of explosions. So like you can have a mortar round that acts like a grenade, or you can have, like, an RPG that's around the same exact size, that does a completely different type of damage damage. So the type of bullet, the type of round, the type of munition makes a huge difference. So you can have one that's designed to take out a building that might not necessarily explode into shrapnel.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

[Chief]

Like a blunt force versus an explosion.

[Mad Dog McKenzie]

Right? All right, cool. Thank you, guys. We will be back next week. Goodbye.