The Hidden Truth of Helen Keller | May 7, 2026

Summary

Macrodosing – "The Hidden Truth of Helen Keller"

Podcast: Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter (Barstool Sports)
Date: May 7, 2026
Episode Theme:
A deep dive into the life, accomplishments, and controversies surrounding Helen Keller, including skepticism about her achievements, discussion of her "miracle worker" Anne Sullivan, and broader skepticism about the public narratives surrounding famed historical figures. The episode also features wide-ranging banter about recent news, including media mogul Ted Turner, cruise ship outbreaks, conspiracy theories, and more.

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles the myths and realities of Helen Keller’s legacy. The hosts and crew question the extent of her reported abilities, debate potential embellishments by her companion Anne Sullivan, and examine why Keller remains such a polarizing folk hero. Along the way, they riff on current events (Ted Turner’s death, a hantavirus cruise outbreak), NBA takes, and scientific experiments on alcohol and performance—all delivered in the show’s irreverent, skeptical tone.

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1. Opening Banter, Ted Turner Remembrance

Timestamps: 08:15–19:12

Key Points:

• Ted Turner has died; hosts recall his legacy as media mogul (CNN, TBS, Braves owner, environmentalist).
• Turner’s legendary feuds (e.g., with Rupert Murdoch) and eye for spectacle (prepared video for nuclear Armageddon).
• His purchase of the Atlanta Braves and transformation into a national franchise through cable TV.
• Fun anecdote: Turner once fired the Braves manager and declared himself manager for a day, until MLB stopped him.
  Quote:
  "He managed the Braves for one game." – B, 17:41

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2. Hantavirus Outbreak on a Cruise Ship

Timestamps: 30:58–41:39, 52:29–100:39

Key Points:

• Recap of a developing story: Hantavirus breaks out on a polar expedition cruise, with several deaths and fears of human-to-human transmission (normally extremely rare outside South America).
• Hosts debate the dangers of cruises, the likely spread, and the conditions aboard minimalist expedition ships (not luxury cruising).
• Science tangent: Incubation periods for diseases and parallels to COVID, Ebola, Black Plague.
• The group jokes about quarantine reality shows, cruise ship accommodations (“prison”), and possible repercussions.
  Memorable Moment:
  "Would you rather be trapped on a cruise ship not knowing whether 150 people had hantavirus or be sitting on a golf cart with Meek Phil?" – A, 35:18

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3. Flopping in the NBA and BAC Science

Timestamps: 19:12–28:47, 42:08–54:18

Key Points:

• Arian Foster rants about NBA flopping and current trends in foul hunting vs. his preferred old-school style.
• Foster’s idea: Officiating changes to discourage flop baiting; PFT says he suggested similar changes to NBA commissioner previously.
• Golf and gaming performance discussion leads to a proposed scientific study: What’s the ideal Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) for peak performance in games like darts or beer pong?
• The group speculates, consults AI (Grok), and jokes about designing an actual study. Quote:
  _"There’s a curve… after two or three beers, you’re really good at darts, then you get bad again." – A, 43:03

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4. Conspiracy Corner: Direct Energy Weapons & Dead Scientists

Timestamps: 54:22–59:57

Key Points:

• A recent pentagon admission of direct energy weapons (e.g., microwave/radio frequency arms).
• The suspicious death of Amy Eskridge, a young scientist in UFO/antigravity research, and online theories about "coincidental" deaths among scientists.
• Hosts discuss the echo chamber of modern news aggregation and their shifting skepticism ("I'm watching this space").
  Quote:
  _"I'm gonna upgrade this from ‘just online conspiracy for points’ to ‘I'm watching this space.'" – A, 59:29

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5. AI & Pre-Crime: FBI Using AI to Predict School Shootings

Timestamps: 68:54–70:32

Key Points:

• News item: Former Trump official claims the FBI is using AI to thwart school shootings by sorting social media and communication data for red flags.
• Hosts reflect on "Minority Report" pre-crime vibes, surveillance, and the real scope of such tech.

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6. Politics, D.C. Culture, and Social Climbing

Timestamps: 60:54–66:11

Key Points:

• Washington D.C. is the most cutthroat social climbing scene in the U.S.—all about networking and professional leverage.
• Hosts reflect on how abnormal professional culture and "what do you do?" questions can be outside the Beltway.

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7. Helen Keller: Debate and Deep Dive

Timestamps: 71:18–106:03

7a. The Official Narrative

• Helen Keller: Born 1880, Tuscumbia, Alabama; became deaf and blind at 19 months (likely scarlet fever or rubella).
• Achievements: Author, activist, first deafblind Harvard grad, traveled to 39 countries, ACLU co-founder, performed on vaudeville, met world leaders, advocated for the disabled.

7b. The Skepticism ("The Hidden Truth")

• Main doubt: Is it possible for one person, totally unable to see or hear, especially from infancy, to achieve these feats?
• Specifics scrutinized:
  • Her vivid descriptions of colors in writing
  • The Frost King plagiarism incident
  • Her ability to learn multiple languages, write books, co-found organizations, fly a plane, perform onstage
  • Consistent changes in writing style across caretakers and teachers

Notable Quotes:

• “You’re in complete and total isolation. There’s just no way…you are just savvy and brilliant with that much limitation.” – C, 91:23

• “I think she was deaf and blind. Didn’t do all the stuff.” – B, 89:42

• "Her death has embellished her resume so much, and I think that was even the case while she was alive." – C, 87:40

7c. Suspicions about Anne Sullivan

• Theory: Anne Sullivan, Keller’s lifelong companion/teacher, often a “handler” who may have co-opted or greatly facilitated Keller’s output.
• Media machine enabled by celebrity friends: Alexander Graham Bell, Mark Twain, Sinclair, etc., who would vouch for Keller in press blitzes.
• The show argues Sullivan sought personal notoriety and that some Keller accomplishments resemble a publicity operation.

7d. Broader Themes

• Disability, representation, and inspiration porn: At what point does amplifying someone's story for hope/inspiration shade into propaganda?
• The limitations of historical verification (particularly pre-1960).

Discussion Highlights:

• Explaining color to those blind from birth; impossible, say hosts, to truly comprehend or describe color.
• "Industry plant for the blind." (A, 104:40)—comparison to Jelly Roll and other celebrities who are heavily promoted.

7e. Personal Takes & Final Positions

• Most on the panel believe Keller was genuinely deaf and blind, did some of what was credited, but much was inflated or accomplished through group effort—likely with multiple ghostwriters/organizers.
• Open admission of skepticism, especially for sensational claims (e.g., flying a plane).

Memorable Quotes:

• "I am not a believer. This is propaganda.” – C, 86:49
• “Do you know who she is? She is Jelly Roll…shoved down everyone’s throat at every turn.” – B, 83:41
• "Imagine you're in total darkness and can't hear a thing...your existence is only inside your own mind." – B, 91:55
• "I think she was a puppet for other people’s agenda." – C, 89:44

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8. Tangential Chats and Hypotheticals

Timestamps: 102:00–104:33

• Deprivation tanks, the nature of suffering, and philosophical "would you rather" about being born blind vs. going blind after seeing.
• Compares the impossibility of being isolated for even a week with Helen Keller’s lifelong state: “But somehow Helen Keller was flying planes. Sure thing.” – B, 104:33

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9. Quick Hits & Outro

Timestamps: 105:03–106:13

• Briefly touch on reality TV (Bobby Altoff, Mormon Wives).
• Reminders from co-hosts that the episode is ending.

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Summary Table: Key Timestamps and Topics

| Time (MM:SS) | Segment/Topic | Notable Quote/Moment | |------------------|-----------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------| | 08:15–19:12 | Ted Turner legacy | “He managed the Braves for one game.” – B, 17:41 | | 30:58–41:39 | Hantavirus cruise outbreak | “Would you rather be trapped...or with Meek Phil?”| | 42:08–54:18 | Ideal BAC/Performance study | “There’s a curve… two or three beers, you’re good”| | 54:22–59:57 | Direct energy weapons, dead scientists | “I’m watching this space.” – A, 59:29 | | 60:54–66:11 | D.C. culture, social climbing | “You introduce yourself, you say your name, then what do you do?” – A, 63:03 | | 71:18–106:03 | Helen Keller: full debate & deep dive | See Notable Quotes above. |

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Key Takeaways

• The pod approaches the miracle of Helen Keller with heavy skepticism, suggesting some claims are exaggerated or were the effort of Anne Sullivan and a media machine.
• The panel aligns on the belief Keller was genuinely deaf and blind, but her feats (as presented) may be an example of historical “industry planting.”
• The discussion opens broader questions on disabilities, media amplification, and what it means to be a folk hero.
• Encounters with the bizarre/lurid in both history and current events (direct energy weapons, cruise ship outbreaks) keep the tone playful and irreverent, while the hosts acknowledge when they’re straying into speculation.

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For New Listeners

This episode gives a classic Macrodosing blend: conspiratorial thinking, history, and skepticism, but with a sense of humor. If you’re interested in forgotten facts, public mythmaking, and unfiltered banter, it’s a must-listen.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Chiclets do you know who she is? And this she is Jelly Roll. She's someone with a great story who is probably a wonderful person, but she was shoved down everyone's throat at every turn. Oh look, she flew a plane. No she didn't. They said, do you know about that? Do you know what they did? They sat her in the co pilot seat for 15 minutes.

[A]

I want to tell y' all some real quick. I was up in that plane. I looked down from that plane. That's I used to be in that prison.

[B]

And I don't want to disparage Jelly Roll because he seems like an amazing guy with a great story and I like some of his music.

[A]

See, but my, my wife told me, you get your you get out of that prison, you act right, Jelly Roll. And I said, I'm up here in this plane right now, mama. I ain't never coming down. Welcome back to Macrodosing. It is Thursday, it's May 7th, and today's episode is brought to you by Quints. And lately I've been a little bit more intentional about what I wear day to day. Been trying to not dress like a slob all the time. And when I look good, it's because I'm wearing quints. I'll wear one of my polo shirts I got from there, one of my linen shirts. Maybe wear that in the office. People are like, what's going on? What's the story? Why, why are you dressed like an adult? Because I'm using Quince and it's comfortable, it's affordable. Everything works without needing to overthink it. It's just good, high quality, lightweight, breathable, comfortable clothes. They still look put together and they're clean. They've got 100 European linen shorts and shirts from just 34 bucks. I love their European. The, the linen shirts. I don't have any of the shorts. I got to get some of those. But the shirts that I have, the linen is so light, it's breathable, it feels great. And their pants also hit that same balance. They're relaxed, they're comfortable, but they're polished enough to wear pretty much anywhere. Everything is priced 50 to 80% less than what you'd find at similar brands. Quince works directly with ethical factories and they cut out the middlemen. So you're getting premium materials without the markup. You can refresher every day with luxury that you'll actually use. Head to Quince.comDose get free shipping on your order. 365 day returns. That's Q U-I-N-C E.comDose Free shipping. 365 day returns. Quince.comDose all right, welcome back to Macrodosing. It is Thursday. It's May 7th. I'm very happy to be back in the studio. Just got off an airplane, did the red eye. Finally got some sleep on a red eye. First time that's ever happened. There's only like three hours of sleep, but I've never been able to sleep on a, a plane before, so maybe I'm just getting anything. What's that?

[C]

Did you take anything?

[A]

Nope. Didn't take anything really.

[C]

Just good old fashioned American sleep.

[A]

Just two beers?

[C]

Yeah. You took some.

[A]

Couple beers. Cover. Just a couple small beers.

[C]

Wait, you drunk beer on a plane and at Red Eye?

[A]

No, no, I had a couple beers before I got on the plane.

[C]

Oh, I was like that. That might be a problematic conversation. That's, that's, that's a problem.

[A]

What, drink beer on a plane and

[C]

you on a Red Eye?

[A]

Yeah, probably.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless it's like at the very start of it, you have one beer.

[B]

Well, you left at what, midnight?

[A]

I left at one, so yeah, that probably would be A problem if you start drinking beer at 1am the guy next to me had, I want to say two or three scotches on this flight. Good for him. He was an older guy. But yeah, I had one beer before I went on stage at the Netflix's joke live show that we did in la. And then I had one drink while I was on stage and then that was enough to like knock the edge off and send me a.

[C]

For all of your fans and you know, and us co workers that know exactly why, why you were there, what you were doing, explain it to those that don't because, you know. Yeah, some of, some of them might not. We all, we all do though. We all know exactly what.

[A]

It was a great time. So we, we went to Las Vegas for Max's bachelor party and then from Vegas we went to Los Angeles for a live show at the Netflix is a joke comedy festival. We're at the YouTube theater and it was, it was a good time. It was like a two and a half hour live show. The second time that part of my take has ever done a live show. And so it was, it, it was fun. It was filled with like some guests that we know that were out in la. So we had Jerry o', Connell, his lovely supermodel wife, Rebecca Romain. She was there, she came out on stage and she gave us a hug. She kissed my cheek. No big deal. She's very funny, very nice lady. And then we had Blake Griffin came out as well.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

And Ryan Rosillo. So it was a, it was a good show. Kind of like a 10 year anniversary show that we decided to do. So it was fun. I don't know that we're going to do too many more live shows because we don't really like to travel that much when we don't have to, but it was, it was really cool, very fun experience. And then hopped on the red eye, flew back here because I wanted to, I wanted to sit with you guys and I wanted to, I wanted to talk about Helen Keller. So it's good to be back and, and Big T, hope you had a good bachelor party. Hope you enjoyed it. I, I listened to some of the show, meaning I listened to some of the clips, but I didn't have time to actually listen to the show.

[B]

Do you see what the Rockies are doing?

[A]

So what are the Rockies doing?

[B]

No, Well, I mean we don't want to, we don't want to go through the whole thing again, but they're, there's some interesting numbers coming up with the

[A]

50, 50 yeah, so I. I did. I saw that clip. Yeah. I didn't know if the Rockies had responded to you or made a public statement, but it sounds like you're like a bloodhound. You're on. You're sniffing something.

[B]

But they did. You see? They did it again on Monday.

[A]

Did they?

[B]

Same. Same prefix. It's.

[A]

It's not adding up. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Something stinks to high heaven.

[B]

We'll have to see. Okay, guys, it's grit week.

[A]

This is the part of the football

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Thousand percent. I'm trying to find if I have a brave side over here.

[A]

He's a billionaire. He. He owned the Atlanta Braves. He founded Turner Broadcasting. So we're talking, you know, tnt, tbs. He founded CNN as well. He famously had a video ready to go in case the world was destroyed, in case of nuclear war.

[B]

It's the naval ban playing. Nearer my God to the. I believe.

[A]

Yeah, it was ready to be broadcast just in case everything went to shit.

[B]

They still have it, do they? I think. I think, yeah. If stuff ever goes down, I think that's what they use.

[A]

That's what we'll be seeing. He. He lived a hell of a life.

[B]

Incredible.

[A]

Just. Just married. Divorced three times. Made more money than just about anybody. Got into a bunch of feuds. I think he owns the world's largest herd of bison.

[B]

Yeah. Ted's Montana Grill. We got to go tonight, Bowling Brook.

[A]

What do you think Ted would eat?

[B]

I think you got to get the bison burger. He owned. I don't know what the exact percentage is. Some unreal percentage of the state of Montana. Yeah, it's like 15% or something crazy.

[A]

So yeah. RIP. To, to Ted Turner.

[B]

Turn, turn the Atlanta Braves into a national brand.

[A]

It does feel like the Braves are now team of destiny.

[B]

I mean, I'll agree with you. I don't want to. I don't. In 2021, Hank Aaron passed away. Braves won the World Series 2026. They come out with the TBS City Connects a couple weeks ago. Currently, what are they, 26 and 11. Best record in baseball. Ted Turner unfortunately passes away.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It does seem that things could be aligning again. And what a wonderful story that would be for Mr. Turner.

[A]

It would be a crazy story. Yeah.

[B]

I, I mean what a. That, that would be a great send off. Rest in peace. Legend, you said Married three times.

[A]

I believe so.

[B]

I know of Jane Fonda.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

I know Jane Fonda.

[B]

I don't know the other ones.

[A]

Jane Fonda. I don't know the other, the other ones. People of note.

[B]

I'm not sure.

[A]

Or just, just Ted's wives. I mean, I'm sure there were people of note, but I didn't know if there were otherwise famous.

[B]

Ted Turner owns between 115 and 150,000 acres of land in Montana.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

That's.

[C]

That.

[A]

I'm going to say that's too much land.

[B]

You think?

[A]

Unless he's owning it for the purposes of like just not having anything else built on it.

[B]

Well, that's where the, the bison come from.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And that's, that's why he started Ted's Montana Grill. He's like, I have all these bison.

[A]

Yeah. I still don't think it's, it's. No one person should own that much land. But if you're going to own that much land, I like the idea of buying it just to keep everybody else off it. Just have like completely untouched land. Like you're not going to build stuff on it. Not going to try to develop like a planned community, especially in a place like Montana.

[B]

I don't know how reliable this is, but landreport.com says he owns 2 million acres total.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

Across the United States.

[A]

Holy. Does it, does he have any. He's got to have kids.

[B]

I, I would imagine.

[A]

I haven't heard anything about his kids.

[B]

Yeah. So. Turner ranches. With approximately 2 million acres of personal and ranch land, Ted Turner is one of the largest individual landowners in North America.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Turner Enterprises also manages over 45, 000 bison across the various Turner ranches. And it looks like they are in Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico and South Dakota.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

He was born in Cincinnati, Ohio, so

[A]

he's I guess you only in America for Ted Turner. That's one guy you can say that about. Right.

[B]

So, I mean, what's his net worth then? Nothing is dead as of yesterday.

[A]

Zero, brother.

[C]

It all goes back to the earth.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Kids own it, I'm sure. Kids.

[A]

And. And I mean, we're gonna have similar situation going on with the. The Murdoch family too soon.

[D]

I just watched that documentary. Yeah, Juicy. It's literally just succession.

[A]

So these guys, Ted Turner and. And Rupert Murdoch were like bitter rivals for a long time because they were both doing the same, and they were just, you know, anytime you. You become that powerful and that. That rich, you have to have, like a sworn enemy. And they were just. They were too similar to the point where they would, like, compete against each other. They hated each other. I think Ted Turner challenged Rupert Murdoch to a couple fist fights, like some boxing matches. And. And then they kind of realized, hey, let's just put all this, all this squabbling aside. We can both do really well if we work together, if we just kind of stop being enemies. So I think they ended up getting along for the last, like, 15 years of. Of Ted's life. But, yeah, it was like him and. Him and Rupert were the two guys that controlled the media in the United States. And now it's just Rupert.

[B]

I did want to touch on one thing. Mad Dog, you said it's like succession.

[D]

Well, I guess succession is like the Murdochs.

[B]

Yes. Succession is based on.

[D]

Well, I understand that, but watching the documentary, it is crazy how so many of the plot points in succession led to things happening in the family. Like, succession happened and then things happen in the Murdoch family. Does that make sense?

[A]

Yeah. And also, I think in that documentary, they said that people in the Murdoch family, they didn't realize that it was going to be based on them so much. Like, they were surprised to see, like, oh, that's us.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Or it was like they. When they saw the episode of the father dying.

[D]

Yeah, it was the father dying episode.

[A]

They had not. They had not had a trust set up, planned out what to do when Rupert died.

[D]

Yeah. Not a trust, a succession plan.

[A]

Yeah. So even though that show was, like, about them and about the succession of the family, they still didn't know until they saw that episode. They're like, oh, we should probably figure this out.

[D]

Right. Because obviously Rupert Murdoch is still alive. So they got to kind of flash forward a little bit in a weird way by seeing that episode and seeing then, you know, what happens in the rest of that succession season.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And then it basically that succession episode airing led to basically their family being people torn apart. Is a. Is a dramatic way to put it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It. Because it happened in real life to them, and it is crazy. But it didn't end the same way the show did. I will say that. But no, the Murdochs are. Are fascinating.

[A]

Anyways, so, yeah. What are your thoughts as a Braves fan? What are your thoughts about old Ted?

[B]

I mean, he's a legend.

[A]

Change the game.

[C]

Change the game.

[B]

He took over a struggling franchise and, I mean, he bought the team in the 70s, right?

[A]

Yeah, I want to say late 70s.

[B]

Yeah. So, like, they were still pretty new in Atlanta. Atlanta wasn't known for, you know, sports at that time and turned it into one of the biggest franchises in professional sports that has fans all over the country. Because he put them on national TV every night.

[C]

Yeah, he.

[A]

Yeah, he's like, we're going to put. We're going to. We're going to put them on the most powerful thing that we have, and that's cable television.

[B]

Like, when I was in Denver Friday night, It was probably 70% Braves fans, and a lot of them that we talked to just lived there. They're like, yeah, we live out here. We've been watching them since the 80s.

[A]

Yeah, it's like at the time, cable TV was a joke. People like, no one's going to watch your team if you hide them on cable. It's a newfangled thing that no one is going to pay attention to. Well, Ted was right. Plus, he got to do the Sanford and Son reruns during rain delays, which is incredible.

[B]

You know, my favorite thing he ever did. And I don't know how many people know this story. I think it was. It was probably late 70s, like, when he first bought the team, because I know he was really young. He. The team started terribly. They lost like 20 games in a row or something.

[A]

And.

[B]

And he fired the manager. I believe he told him, like, you're fired for a month. He was like, I'm going to figure out what's going on, and if I determine you can come back, then we'll figure it out. And he went. He literally walked downstairs to the clubhouse, was like, I'm the manager now. And he managed the Atlanta Braves for one game, and then the next day, Major League Baseball called him, was like, yeah, you can't do that. And so then he had to. I don't remember if he brought the original manager back or if he hired somebody else, but he. He managed the Braves for one game.

[A]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

I think you should. If you pay. I mean, now, I don't know what he paid for the Atlanta Braves.

[A]

I would do that. I would absolutely do that.

[B]

Yeah. Now if you pay $3 billion for a baseball team, you should get to do whatever the hell you want.

[A]

I would absolutely. I would 100% do that. Um, just for like one day, one game. A meaningless game, like maybe the second leg of double header against the last place team. Fuck yeah. Managing that team. I paid a lot of money for that team.

[B]

Ted Turner purchased the Atlanta Braves for $12 million in 1976.

[A]

And it's probably worth. I'm going to guess I was. Four billion.

[B]

I was going to say four. Four and a half.

[A]

Four billion. Pretty good.

[B]

This says 3.3. And I think obviously if the Atlanta Braves go up for sale there, it's going to be a bidding war. I think it would go well above that.

[A]

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[C]

They played yesterday.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

All right. All right. Yeah.

[C]

I. I shot at 83 yesterday.

[A]

That's your comment regarding the Lakers. I like that. Can we make a quote card about that? I shot an 83 yesterday. Aryan Foster on the Los Angeles. On his Los Angeles lakers losing game one.

[C]

Yeah. And it was the. The course rating was 76. So it was. It was a tough course.

[A]

Okay. All right. Yeah. I mean, good for you.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the tips.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. I mean this, this day keeps getting better and better.

[C]

Tell me how they did. My brother laid on me. I do not know.

[A]

They lost. I. I was unable to watch the. I was unable to watch the fourth quarter because we were on stage for it. But the Thunder just looked.

[C]

I need three things. I need three things. I need one. What was the score?

[A]

Okay, what's two and three?

[C]

I'll give me this. I'll give them to you when you give them to me.

[B]

108 to 90. Oklahoma.

[C]

108 to 90. Okay. That's that's pretty. It's pretty handy. Okay, two. How much points did Brian have?

[B]

Hold, please. 27 points. 12 of 17 from the field, negative six plus minus.

[C]

That's efficient. I'm not mad at that. Third thing. How many flops did SJ have?

[B]

I did see a clip of that. It seemed to be a lot.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I figured. How many free throws did SJ have? Throw me a fourth.

[B]

He was, oh, two of three from the line.

[C]

They're not calling them. They're letting him play.

[B]

I did. In the clip I saw, there were several that went uncalled.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. No, I like that. I mean, you could tell he going flop. Like, that's. Listen, I respect all talent in the NBA. I preface all my basketball takes with this. They're the best basketball players in the world. Right. It's just certain aspects of the game I'm not a fan of. And I became less and less interested in the NBA as this era has commenced.

[A]

It's just.

[C]

Is what it is. But. So when I watch sga, I don't think I've ever seen him not flop multiple times in a game. So it's. It's just something I'm not a fan of. I know the people out there that. Whatever. Whatever, man. That's from a different era. It is what it is. Old man yelling at claps. That's me.

[A]

He is good at foul baiting. I'll give him that. Like, he's the best at it. I think he might be better than Harden. He's like, Harden.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Harden, I think, was more. I think it was more creative. Like, I don't know that SGA would be able to do the. That he does now without the vision of James Harden doing it before and kind of like unlocking that strategy. But I think that SGA has taken it and made it like an art form.

[C]

You could have changed the course of. Of NBA basketball. Pft. And you dropped the ball. You had a interview with the commissioner and you could have told him how to fix flopping. Or he's brought it up.

[A]

I know how to fix flop, Arian. I did.

[C]

Oh, you did?

[A]

You told him that when we interviewed him a year ago. Yeah.

[C]

You told him how to fix flopping.

[A]

I said. I said, your idea.

[C]

You. Oh, I need to start watching you more, man.

[A]

I said, your idea. I said, I said make it. Make the flops reviewable after the game, after the fact. And issued technical fouls and fines if somebody flops. That's your idea, right?

[C]

Well, that's part of it. The other part is you make it if you initiate the contact. So if you pump fake, if you pump and somebody's in the air, they're now a defensive player. And if you, if you initiate contact into that defensive player, it's an offensive foul. That would eliminate this shit. I would be such a big basketball fan if this was not a part, but I just can't. Is.

[B]

But you're saying you could still legitimately, like, pump fake, and if a guy comes flying at you, that would still be a foul. Right?

[C]

Give me the scenario.

[B]

Like, I mean, you pump fake on a three, guy comes flying out at you, and he felt like that could still be a foul. It's just if you're like jumping into him. Crazy.

[C]

This is where, okay, this is where there's a little gray area, right? There is nuance. And I think this part should be reviewable intent. If your intent as a, as a shooter is to launch yourself into the defender, then, yeah, the fouls on you. Because if you, if you, if you, if you jump into a guy, I mean, if you pump and you jump in and a guy is jumping into you, he has no, he has no way to correct himself. Like, that is what it is. If, if the intent is. If I'm up in there and we. And we crash. Yeah, you can't, you can't foul the shooter. But if your intent is to get him in the air to jump into him. Nah, because, I mean, they review everything else. They review blocks, they review. They review text, they review everything. So if there's a genuine concern about. Nah, he jumped into me. Let's review it and move on. It will. It will. I don't think it'll stop at wholesale. It's going to take a generation of kids thinking that is soft, which not trending in that direction, but it's going to take a generation of kids saying, I don't want to play that style of basketball that weak. Like, I teach my kid, my son. Right. Do not. Do not. Do I, I. No. You grounded? No. You're trouble if you flop. You don't flop, dog. I don't. I don't play that. I don't care.

[A]

I like that. Be the change.

[C]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry I don't watch you more as a friend. I should, I should be part of my take.

[A]

It's all right.

[C]

Subscriber.

[A]

You're busy. You're busy golfing. And it was a very tough course.

[C]

Okay? So back to back days, I went 79 and I went 83. Oh, it shouldn't have been the 83. It really should have been like an 86. Yeah. People happen, though.

[A]

I respect you for saying that. Most people, myself included, have said things like, yeah, it was an. It was a 91, but it should have been an 85.

[C]

I mean, I'm just, I'm realistic. People happen, though, right? We're on. So it's. It's me, a buddy of mine used to play for the Chargers, Clyde Drexler, and another one of our good friends. So it's Clyde and my homeboy Reggie versus me and my other dude who used to play for the Chargers, right? We have a 2v2 match, right? And the first, first one to ten has to take. Has to take the other duo out on a. On a steak dinner, wherever. Wherever in the city they want. And there's this place that if we win, I'm going to take these motherfuckers to where it's like thousand dollars stakes. So I'm bust they ass. But we down right now. We down by two. But anyway, so we on hole 18, we down one, and we got to win this hole to tie. So I hooked my tee shot left. I got it back in Play. I have 100. It's a par 5. I got 170 out, right? But it's over water. It's over water. And I'm like, I gotta go for it.

[B]

We.

[C]

A little bit of wind into me. So it was one. It was 165 to clear. 170 to the pen. I'm like, I could muscle a seven. I should have took a six.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But in the back of the green is bunker, right? And I. I got a birdie, right?

[A]

Okay, so.

[C]

So I go for it, right? I come up short, hit the water. They celebrating. They like, game over is what it is. So I, you know, if you, if you, if you go into the hazard, you can drop on. On the line of where the pin is as far back as you want. So I took a little bit of space. I dropped and dropped in the fairway. You could drop. It was all legal drop. So I'm shooting five. So I'm shooting five. I'm shooting for par from like 132 out. Take a, Take a pitching wedge again. I probably should have took a nine. Cause I was into the win, but I was adrenaline pumping at that point. I was like, I could get it there, hit the green. That bitch rolls in for a par. Wow. I hold, I hold out from like 130something over the water. It was beautiful, dog. It was gorgeous. So, yeah, I mean, I was.

[A]

I was.

[C]

I accepted a bogey and a double in my head already, but I hold it out for a par to shoot at 83. Now they got par, tied the hole, so, you know, we lost by one. But it was. It was an amazing moment. It was. It was great.

[A]

That's pretty incredible.

[C]

It was dope, man.

[A]

I'm happy to talk of the town. I'm happy, really.

[C]

I've never been happier for a loss. That was. That was a dope, dope moment.

[B]

Are you, like, best friends with Clyde Drexler now?

[C]

We play a lot of golf together.

[B]

That's what it sounds like to me.

[C]

Yeah, we play a lot of golf together. It's. It's become a nice little friendship. Yeah. I consider him a brother, you know. Love that. Yeah. Cool. And it was really fun about a OG like that. All the basketball talks, like, you know how we sit around kicking shit about basketball. Like, he has a different perspective that he likes to. Like yesterday for we on the tee box and I told him my favorite center of all time is Hakeem. Like, nobody can convince me differently. I like a skill. And he was like, no, listen, that's my brother. But. And I was like, it doesn't sound like it. Yeah. And so he's. So he's explaining to me why he's not the best center of all time. His favorite is Wilt. Well, which I. I don't disagree with them. Like, I don't think Hakeem is the best, like, stat wise or anything like that. I just think from my perspective, like, that's how I like my center to play. Back to the basket with unbelievable skill. Set down low. Like, I haven't seen any center. With his footwork and his agility and his skill set, he was like, but, boss, it took like eight years to develop. He didn't just. I was like, I get it, bro, but I got. That's the era I grew up in. That. That's. That's why he's my guy. But it's good to have those conversations because he has, like a. A perspective. I mean, he's a Hall of Famer, you know.

[A]

Yeah. You know that Hakeem, he was a goalie in Nigeria for soccer. Yeah, he was a soccer goalie. Which is. I mean, people think of, like, okay, yeah, you're.

[C]

You're huge.

[A]

You're tall. You got big wingspan. Probably good. A good goalie. Most goalies aren't that tall. I would say, like, the Majority of. Of successful goalies are between like 6ft, 6 foot 4, somewhere in there. But if you're too tall, it's super hard to get down low. But because he was so athletic, he could cover those low shots too. But yeah, he, he was different. I. I like Hakeem, too. I think Hakeem's offensive skill set is something that we. I don't think we've seen. I'm trying to think of another skilled big man like that, that, that's been around since. I mean, like, you look at Giannis. Giannis has way more strength than Hakeem, but I would not say, like a refined offensive game like he had.

[C]

Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Like, that's, that's what I like from my center. Like, you know, like people, people in my era usually say Shaq's the most dominant, and they always use the word dominant. Right. And I, I don't think I necessarily disagree with that. But if you was to look at who gave Shaq the most issues, absolutely, it was Hakeem. Hakeem kind of shut him down.

[A]

And Hakeem did most of that shit in the important games during Ramadan when he wasn't. When he wasn't eating or drinking during the day. Yeah.

[C]

That's facts. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just. I just. I love Hakeem, though. He got a special place in. In my heart.

[A]

Yeah. What if your drive was fueled with more, like, more protection for more time on the road? Shelby Power Nitro plus provides more protection for longer lasting engines. So it helps you keep your engine running like new for whatever drive is ahead. Shelby Power Nitro plus engine performance that lasts compared to minimum detergent gasoline. With continuous use of Shelby Power Nitro plus and gasoline direct injection engines, actual effects and benefits may vary. See shell us more protection for more information. All right, looking at big T sheet that he sent over for today, some stuff in the news. I don't know that much about hantavirus, besides the fact that I hear about it once every like three years and it's usually. I feel like it's usually New Mexico.

[B]

This is my first time hearing about hantavirus.

[A]

Like, watch out if you, if you run into a mouse or a rat in Colorado, you're going to die. Cuz they've. You got the hantavirus now.

[B]

Did see some rabbits in Colorado. No rats, though.

[A]

No. Well, yeah, they're probably all sick and dead from the hantavirus, but now we've got hantavirus on a cruise ship. So first of all. I thought we learned our lesson regarding cruise ships when. This is why you will not find me on a cruise ship.

[B]

I gotta tell you, as a cruise guy, this is upsetting.

[A]

Well, no, I mean, if you're.

[B]

If you might be a former cruise guy.

[A]

See, if you're really about that life as a cruise guy, you should be excited by this, because prices are. Prices are about to drop. Yeah, if you're. But I can tell that you're not fully committed to the. You're not as fully committed as you thought you were.

[B]

If this can get me on one of the new Royal Caribbean ships for cheaper, I'm all in.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Maybe you're a cruise guy, but, yeah, this is. Don't be going on cruises. People like, did we not learn anything from the floating prison ship of diarrhea?

[B]

Yeah, but that wasn't. That was just. That was a. A mechanical malfunction that still stay clear.

[A]

It's a. There's a pretty clear warning. And then when Covet hit, we had that one. That one ship that was just filled with people that were sick, and we didn't want to let that back into the United States because the numbers go up. So they were just floating out in the middle of the ocean being sick. Now we've got hantavirus on a cruise ship, and it appears to be spreading from person to person. Is the fear right?

[B]

Well, yeah, it definitely has.

[A]

So historically, hantavirus has just been like, you touch. You touch mouse poop that has hantavirus, and you can get sick. This time, it's like, we think that it's spreading, which is not. It's not good. It's not a good development. I guess maybe they could. They could be getting it from, like, contaminated water supply or if there's, like, some food that they all ate. But it sounds like it's spreading person to person is what they're worried about.

[B]

Three people have died.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

And then others. Did they only take them off to, like, go get them medical care? Did some people. I heard some people were on a plane. Like, I guess they got off at one of the stops, I assume.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And because one of them was on a plane, and now it sounds like they're gonna dock in the Canary Islands.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

But, yeah, it seems like it's a bad deal going on on this ship.

[A]

Yeah, I. I did see somebody saying that. Scientists, they say, like, hey, this. This is really bad. Do not take every precaution necessary to avoid getting hantavirus, because if you do get it the mortality rate is. It's very, very high, so 30 to 50. But that same person was saying the silver lining in a disease like hantavirus is similar to Ebola in that it kills you too fast. So it kills you so fast that you don't have the opportunity to spread it like you would Covid, which wouldn't kill you. If it did kill you. Wouldn't kill you for, like, you know, well past when you could spread. You could be walking around for like four days.

[B]

I did see that. Didn't the Black Plague kill you really quickly? And that's still.

[A]

But I think that was. That was like mice and. Or maybe we just blame the mice for that. I forget the rats. I think it was the fleas that got. They got him.

[B]

So what are we gonna do?

[A]

I don't know. I don't know. So there's a. There's a new case that's in Switzerland right now that was a passenger that was on a cruise. 150 people are being sequestered on this cruise ship right now or quarantined. I guess I should say that that is tough. Would you rather be trapped on a cruise ship not knowing Whether or not 150 people had hantavirus or were going to die or be sitting on a golf cart with Meek Phil, what's. You pick your poison.

[B]

So one carries a greater risk of death, but I still feel the other is worse.

[A]

I would. I would personally, I can't be on a cruise ship. I just can't do it. I can't do it.

[C]

I think.

[A]

I think I'm gonna die never having gone on a cruise.

[B]

And I am really.

[A]

I'm very okay.

[B]

You wouldn't let me take you on a cruise.

[A]

I mean, it depends. I could be talked into any.

[B]

You got to see these new ships they got. Man, now I'm looking if. If this is the ship.

[A]

You know, I love a good deal right above all else.

[B]

If the picture I'm seeing. Okay, so, yeah, here's the evacuation. This is the ship. This is not a cruise. This is a boat. They're. They're on a. They're on a boat.

[A]

Oh, so it's not that nice.

[B]

You got to be on a ship.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I mean, they got these things. It's like Disney World on the sea.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We got to get you. I don't know what the thing is.

[A]

I haven't been to Disney World in a. In probably 23 years.

[B]

I don't know what cruise line this is, but. But we'll get you on it. Look at this thing. Dude. That's a cargo ship. That's not a car.

[A]

You're right. That doesn't. That looks like.

[B]

What is this?

[A]

I don't know. Some sort of like. It looks like one of those boats that they take out on a great lake. Like the office party.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

When Michael Scott took Dunder Mifflin.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Out on like the lady of the Sea or whatever. That's kind of what that looks like to me.

[B]

What cruise line is this? I'm not even seeing the name. But that's not a cruise. If you got on a Royal Caribbean, one of these new ships they got, I think you could have a good time on a cruise.

[A]

They're saying that it's the Andy strain of the hantavirus,

[B]

which meant.

[A]

Well, yeah, which means unlike most hantaviruses, Andes can transmit person to person in rare cases with close, prolonged contact, such as being in a enclosed environment like a cruise ship. I guess the real fear is that maybe it's a strain that we don't know about that is more likely to transmit person to person. Because if that happens, then that ship might be. Might be. What happens to you when you get hantavirus? You just. Is this a poop thing?

[B]

I have no idea.

[A]

Is this like an upper respiratory like we deal with, with, with your Covids?

[D]

Hantavirus symptoms begin one to eight weeks after exposure, starting with early flu like signs. Fever, fatigue, and intense muscle aches. Within four to ten days, this rapidly progresses to severe respiratory distress, including coughing and shortness of breath due to the fluid in the lungs, which requires immediate medical attention.

[B]

So you just slowly suffocate till your lungs fill with enough fluid to kill you?

[A]

Yeah, it's. It sounds like. Like what, what Covid does, just at a much, much deadlier rate. Like, would you say 30 to 50% more?

[B]

That's what I saw somewhere for like

[A]

the average hantavirus or. Is that Andy's hantavirus?

[B]

I'm not sure. I'm looking it up.

[A]

That's not good. And how long was the. Was the gestation period? Is that what you call it? No, that's. I know that's when you're. When you're pregnant, how long? It might be gestation.

[D]

It says the symptoms begin one to eight weeks after exposure, and then from there, four to 10 days later, your

[A]

lungs are going to go, oh, okay, so that's not good either.

[D]

I. I don't think it's good because you can be exposed similar to Covid. I feel like in the Beginning too. Where it was like you can be exposed and not show symptoms immediately.

[A]

I, I meant to say incubation period. Incubation very different from gestation.

[D]

I saw your point.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

But yeah. 35 to 50 in extreme cases.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Can you imagine being someone on that cruise who isn't sick?

[A]

Nope. Nope. Sure can't. That seems like hell. Which is why I, I, I, I will no longer say never. Because I could be enticed to go on like a super tacky cruise ship vacation at some point in my life.

[C]

It's fine. It's, it's cool. I don't know that I'm do it again, but it was, it was cool. It was dope.

[A]

I'd say 99 chance that I will not get on a cruise ship in my lifetime. And I'm okay with that.

[B]

You're not gonna believe I'm on the website of this, this cruise ship in quotation marks.

[C]

So.

[B]

Named after Jodicus Hondius, a Flemish and Dutch engraver and map maker, the 353 foot MV Hondius is a purpose built environmentally friendly expedition cruise ship designed to sell the rough and rugged waters of the world's polar regions. A 350 foot ship in rough and rugged waters already sounds terrible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And do you want to know what it what the price starts at per person? They have 10 through 19 day cruises on this ship.

[A]

That is. Those are very, very long options.

[B]

Starting price for which one it starting at per person. I guess. This is the cheapest.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

$7,800. And this isn't even, this isn't a cruise now. Terrible that these people or having to deal with this. But. It's a bad cruise.

[A]

Very bad. I do not. I want no part of it. I want no part.

[B]

But look at this.

[A]

Good for you.

[B]

This looks like a hostel.

[A]

They pro have they slashed the prices yet?

[B]

It doesn't seem.

[A]

They're probably going to need to take some time to disinfect that ship. I would imagine.

[B]

This isn't even a twin bed. What is that?

[A]

Yeah, that's like. That's not even a daybed. It's not even a cot. It's prison. That's a prison. See, look at that. Those are those rooms right there on this. What's the name of the ship?

[B]

MV Hondius.

[A]

The MV Hondius that is now adrift with 130 people that are quarantined because they might have hantavirus. This the rooms in this place. It is a prison.

[B]

That does look like a Have you ever seen the Swedish jails on like those shows? That's what it looks like.

[A]

It is indistinguishable from a Scandinavian prison on the inside.

[B]

I gotta show, but like, look at that. That's a cruise, brother.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now that's nice. That's a good solid American cruise.

[B]

Yeah, we're gonna go on the utopia of the seas. Can we expense that? Yes, it's. It's for research.

[A]

Speaking of research, I have an idea for maybe might be suit suited for either a science fair or a barstool after dark stream. But I would like to do something about this. And thinking more about it. I've always been very, very interested in the science behind hitting the perfect BAC ratio. Now what do I mean by that? Well, we've all played beer pong, we've played darts, we played golf. And we might start out and we stink when we're sober. And then after like two beers, three beers, you're really good at darts, you're really good at beer pong. All of a sudden you're really good at golf. Then you're like, this is awesome. I'll just have some more beer. Then you drink more beer. And then you get bad at all those things. There's a curve.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's my mission to find out what that exact golden ratio is of bac. And I think I can. Yeah, I think we can do it in a scientific manner. I think it's possible. I. I'm not a scientist, so I might need some help from somebody who actually has experience setting up a scientific study. But it would go something along the lines of shoot a thousand beer pong shots on one cup. And then you might have. You know what? You probably shouldn't do that the same night that you're gonna drink beers because you're probably gonna. You're gonna naturally get better at shooting the beer pong shots over the course of like the entire night. See, this is why I need somebody to like, explain how to set up the study. Maybe you set that up ahead of time. You shoot a thousand beer pong shots or 100. Maybe you do 100, you find out what your percentage is, and then you get somebody else to shoot 100, find out what their percentage is, and then you then drink two beers in quick succession. And then you go out, you shoot a hundred more shots.

[C]

Then you'd have to, you'd have to measure.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Your BAC after each. Yeah, okay, I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. Yes.

[A]

You may love this measure The BAC you measure. I. I don't know. You measure, like, your body weight and then how much alcohol you would need to, like, achieve a certain BAC level. And so you. You would want to get, like, a measurement at 0.0, a measurement at 0.04, and then a measurement at, like, 0 point, like.08, which is the legal limit. I don't know. Or maybe you want to, like, break it down even further than that and go, like, 0.02, 0.03, 0.04. I don't know. I need to figure out the exact science behind it. We could do the beer pong. We could do darts. We could do something to do with golf. I don't know how to do that. And then any other things that I can think.

[C]

This is where I've noticed it in my life, is where, like, I got. I got a bunch of gaming buddies I game with in the. In the valorant game. And so we all get on, and, you know, I'm okay. I'm cool. I'm cool at the game, but there's every now and then, like, you know, so I had some drinks, and they'd be like, hey, only a few. Because when I have, like, a few, I'm like, in flow state. And they are like, yo, you popping off right now. You know, I get. I get cold, like, because they're. They smurf with me, so they're, like, higher level than I am. But I get. I get in this flow state when I drink a little bit where we're right. We're neck and neck. I'm with them. But then there comes a point in the night where I just. It goes downhill, and I just become horrible. Yeah, you're right. This is. This. I love this study.

[A]

You know how it goes. And I'm not saying, like, obviously you shouldn't drink and drive. That's not what I'm saying. But there is. I think there is some science to the idea that if you're doing something like throwing darts or like, throwing a beer pong shot, that if you have, like, a small amount of alcohol in your system, you might be better at that one thing, because it releases your inhibitions just enough while not screwing up your motor skills. But then obviously, like you said, Aaron, you drink too much, and then everything goes to. It might also just be a false confidence that goes along with having a couple beers. And you think that you're really good, but you. But you're not that much.

[C]

That's. That's what I think.

[A]

I think that's why I want to study.

[C]

I think what happens. This is just my. This is my hypothesis. I think what happens is, is, like you. A lot of times when we do anything, we second guess ourselves and there's just a lot of thinking that goes involved and that I think it's like a deterrent to your success or whatever you're trying to do. And I think that little bit of. Turn that off and let's just do this a little it. You know, that little bit of it, I think goes a long way in your success and saying, like. Because, like, in the game scenario, there's, like, things I would never do. Drink. Because I'm like, oh, you know what I'm saying? I might. If I. If I peek this, I might get shot. Whatever. When I'm like, these dudes, right? Like, I don't care. And then you just play more free. I think when you play more free, come a little better. You. Right. I like this.

[A]

I would like.

[C]

Great stuff.

[A]

I would like to discuss this with a scientist, an actual scientist that can help me set up a. A proper study and help us achieve what we want. Big T, can you ask one of your little AI friends online, see how they would set up a study? Yeah, now that I don't want to use the AI idea.

[C]

AI friends online.

[A]

Yeah. I want to talk to an actual scientist. I want to talk to, like, a real person that's gone to school and, and has experience setting up studies. But I'm just curious what they would say, what the, what the setup would look like from a robot. Also, Danny Woodhead, scoring update. He is tied for fifth place at Omaha. After one hole. He made a par. It was a four on the first hole of the. Of the day. Now he's on a par five.

[C]

You can't see. Is there a certain place he has to get? Does he have to win it? Like, what's the.

[A]

I need to look that up. There is a certain place that he would have to get, and I don't know what that place is right now. Okay. 78 players will be competing for four qualifying and two alternate places. Okay. So he has to. He's got to get in the top four.

[C]

Type for fifth. Let's. Let's do it, Danny.

[A]

And he's done it before. Danny's done it before. He'll do it again. I think he finished second place a couple years ago in this. In the local qualifying. And then he was just like a couple strokes away from making the US Open, where Bill Belichick would have caddied for him and I believe he would have worn a part of my take hat. We were in discussions to to sponsor Danny that offers still on the table today.

[B]

Would you like chat GPT's answer?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Tell me what what your little robot said.

[B]

You can't ethically or legally design a study that tries to find a quote ideal blood alcohol concentration for performance like golf or beer pong. Alcohol impairs coordination, reaction time and judgment in a dose dependent way. So the premise is already on shaky ground and pushing people to higher levels to test that would raise serious safety and ethics issues.

[C]

Sounds like propaganda like.

[D]

Well, didn't the police do that with upft?

[A]

They did. The police did do that with me that. Are you saying that the police are.

[C]

We all know that police will never do anything ethical. So unethical.

[A]

You know what this sounds like one of these woke AIs that you're using.

[B]

It is most use.

[A]

Grok is what you need to use.

[C]

Yeah. Grock.

[B]

Yeah. Let me ask Rock.

[C]

Oh by the way Mecca Hitler Gro. Yeah, ask him what he thinks.

[A]

Yeah, we can. I will consult Dr. Joseph Mingel who did many famous studies. Also. Did you guys see the Elon thing yesterday?

[C]

Nope. Late on me.

[A]

Oh, oh, I. No, nobody here saw it.

[B]

I don't see anything from him, remember?

[A]

That's right.

[B]

I have his name muted.

[A]

There's some strong, some strong evidence. I'm not going to say it's official. There's some. Some strong circumstantial evidence that Elon Musk might be controlling his mother and his father's Twitter accounts.

[D]

Oh, I did see this.

[A]

So Elon tweeted out the other day. My grandmother was a housekeeper in England. He was talking about like the working class roots that his family came from. And then his mother, May Musk, who has tweeted lots of very, very nice things about Elon over the years. His mother tweeted out, your mom told me she was cleaning toilets in Liverpool boarding house as a child. When I met her in 1966, she was sewing linings for a furrier in a small windowless room behind the store. So that's Maye Musk quote tweeting Elon, who is talking about his grandmother and May Musk saying, your mom told me she was cleaning toilets, seemingly referring to herself in the third person, but then saying when I met her in 1966 afterwards, which doesn't make any sense when she would like meet herself. So people are theorizing that this was meant to be a tweet or excuse me a post on X from Elon's dad about Elon's mom, but he accidentally sent it from his mom's account. I think that's probably. That's really the only explanation that makes sense.

[C]

I would.

[A]

This was gonna fly under my radar because I don't follow Elon's mom. But Brace replied to it.

[D]

That's how I saw it too.

[A]

And said, aren't you his mom? Which put it rather succinct. Succinctly. I think so. We'll see.

[B]

That is interesting. Grok gave us a whole thing.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

He's got your perfect.

[A]

This is why. This is why we grock.

[B]

He's super Grock now. Did you know that?

[C]

Great.

[A]

Let the big rock.

[B]

To identify an ideal BAC level for activities like golf or beer pong, I design a rigorous controlled experiment study that balances science, ethics and real world functions. The gold beat. To test whether there's a sweet spot, probably a low to moderate BAC around.02 to 0.06, where relaxation boosts performance and enjoyment without crossing into impairment. And then he goes into this whole thing. Define ideal clearly. Primary outcomes Secondary outcomes Participants study design Alcohol dosing and BAC measurement. He's got the whole whole thing. I'll send it to you.

[A]

Okay. All right. I mean, it sounds like Grok's hypothesis is similar to mine, which is like somewhere between.02 and.06.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Would be the best. I feel strongly about that.

[B]

Six sounds high.

[A]

It depends from person to person.

[B]

By the way, I, I watched a video recently of these guys being like, we're going to drink till we get to 0.08, which is obviously the, the driving limit. And they were, they were drinking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like maybe I'm a narc.

[C]

Maybe.

[B]

Feels a little high.

[A]

It depends from person to person. So some people at a 0.08 are what you'd call a functioning drunk. Meaning, like you would not know that they were, they were legally drunk unless you breathalyzed them. Like, when I did that test with the police department, I was fine. Like, I, I passed every single exam, even up to like a 0.11 or 0.10. Now granted, back then I was drinking a lot more than I am now. I, I, I rarely drink. I go out like maybe once a week maybe, but really it's like once or twice a month where I'll really get after it. But my, so my tolerance is much higher back then. But in these tests, I, I would just be able to do like the walk, the stand, the Alphabet all that thing, but. Except I could not do the pen tracking with my eyes.

[B]

That's how they get you.

[A]

Because at the side it starts to flutter and you can't fake that. But yeah. So it also would depend person to person. I think there'd be some people that if they're like a 0.05, it would affect them more than somebody else at a 0.05. But it's about finding out like, you know, the averages. Listen, this is just the start of the science. We have to. We got to take baby steps, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Fan of the study, brother.

[A]

Yeah, do it. All right, what else we got in

[B]

the news today other than haunt a virus now? Well, I mean, define in the news you're gonna say it never happened.

[A]

Okay, tell me the.

[B]

You're familiar with all these scientists in recent years that have died of self inflicted gunshot wounds or mysteriously disappeared.

[A]

Smart people have died. Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So one of them, I believe her name is Amy Eskridge. Forgive me. This, there's. Look at this. Look at it. How am I supposed. Well, one just went away, but anyway. Yeah. Amy Eskridge was 34 when she died of a self inflicted gunshot wound in 2022. She was a scientist dealing with a lot of UFO research and like anti gravity type stuff. She described before she died and claimed to be hit with some sort of direct energy weapon. I'm trying to find her exact claim. Eskridge claimed that one of the firm's operatives had used, quote, an RFK band emitter run by five car batteries strung together from inside an suv. The K band is a specific set of radio waves that can be converted into rays and directed at enemy targets. And then yesterday, the Pentagon confirmed their use of direct energy weapons.

[A]

Okay, the. The direct energy weapons thing, I'm not surprised that the government is using it. Like we've heard. We've heard a lot about them before. I guess kind of surprising with the timing of them confirming it after. After this. This lady died in 2022.

[B]

Yeah, several years ago.

[A]

Okay. Now I'm doing the thing where I click the link from that story, which was the New York Post, and it took me to the Daily Mail as a source. Daily Mail is hit or miss. I think that's putting it.

[B]

I think this was in several publications.

[A]

That's what I'm reading through that. I'm trying to find out where the Daily Mail gets it from. Which, by the way, they were also the ones that reported that lawsuit, the JP Morgan lawsuit last week.

[B]

They had it first.

[A]

They had it first. Yeah. And it seemed, it seemed fishy from the get go. There were a few things that didn't add up.

[B]

You and I discussed it that morning.

[A]

We did, we did talk about that morning. You made the great point that women don't use the word cannons, which I

[B]

think seems that may be the case.

[A]

It's a very valid point. Big Cat disagrees, by the way. He says Nancy Pelosi uses the word cannons, but I think he meant that he uses the word canons to talk about Nancy.

[B]

Yeah, I find that very difficult to believe.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So let's see. Do they have any other sources about this? I don't see anything. Right.

[B]

I mean, you know, the lame stream isn't putting this out.

[A]

So I did talk to Dante a little bit about this over the bachelor party and I asked him what he thought was going on and he looked at me, he goes, dante, dude. You know, I, I felt very self conscious following up about that because I'm like, I, I feel like I should know. Like, Dante made me feel like I should already know. So I don't want to feel stupid in front of Dante. But I was like, what are we, are we talking about like some secret project, like some sort of fuel that we don't know about? And Dante's like, they're talking about clean energy. Clean energy, meaning like energy from water? Energy from just, you know, you don't have to use fossil fuels from it. You don't have to spend money on energy. It levels the playing field internationally, globally. It's like, that makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense, Dante.

[B]

In 2020, Eskridge said she intended to present new foundational research on anti gravity, but required authorization from NASA before doing so. In a 2020 interview, Eskridge said she co founded the Institute for Exotic Science as a public facing Persona to disclose anti gravity technology, adding, quote, if you stick your neck out in public, at least someone notices if your head gets chopped off.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

Ominous.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

This is a Newsweek, by the way. That good enough for you?

[A]

Yeah, Newsweek could be. It could be okay. But it's always like it, it's become just a giant nesting doll of like links that you have to click now of aggregators. Yeah, it's like Newsweek says something and then Daily Mail reports it and then the New York Post reports it and then somebody puts just like a screenshot barstool sports, writes it up. Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah. Such is life. All right.

[B]

But I mean, that's kind of regardless of if you think it had anything to do with this, the fact that the Pentagon was just like hey, we have direct energy weapons.

[A]

I'm. Yeah, that is interesting. And you know what, I'm going to upgrade this from it seems like just the new meta to like draw your own conclusions and get Internet points whenever somebody smart dies to be like, oh, part of the conspiracy. I'm gonna upgrade from that to I'm watching this space.

[B]

Okay, thank you.

[A]

I'm watching this space.

[B]

Thank you. Previously you denied the existence of the space, so this is a step up.

[A]

Yeah, I'm still not convinced of the space but I'm keeping an eye on it in case something shows up there.

[B]

That's fair enough.

[A]

In case something shows up.

[B]

Well, 11 dead people have shown. Well, I mean, but I, I, when we get the 12th, we'll see.

[A]

We need a study to go back in time and see what the frequency of scientists deaths was before a month ago.

[B]

That's fair.

[A]

Started to notice it.

[B]

That's fair.

[A]

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[B]

I also think our style of politics encourages the kind of people you're describing to run in the first place.

[A]

It encourages egomaniacs.

[C]

Yeah, I agree. Bunch of term limits.

[A]

Absolutely power hungry egomaniacs. That's what, that's what you're gonna get.

[C]

What's that? Ruth Bader, Ginsburg, Wakanda Forever.

[A]

Ruth Conda forever.

[C]

Yeah, Ruth kind of forever.

[B]

There needs to be in addition to a a cap on the age. There needs to be a, a higher minimum as well. You should have to have had a job for 20 years before you can

[A]

do anything for 20 years. It's a long time to have a job.

[B]

So that's what you're, you're what, 40?

[A]

It's a long time.

[B]

I think that's, that's more than fair.

[A]

So nobody under 40.

[B]

We'd have to work it out. But, but you have to have some, some real world experience.

[A]

I think you do need to have people that are, that are under 40 because, like the, the way that technology is advancing, we have, we have people that are now in charge of making laws about AI that.

[B]

Right. But they're 85.

[A]

They're not 40.

[B]

40 is not old.

[C]

Old.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm saying, like, you would, you would like to have people, I think that would be in their 30s at least.

[B]

I, I think people in their 40s are more than capable. The people you're describing are in their 80s.

[A]

I am, I am not, I am not ready to talk about, like, every latest technology. No, I'm certainly not. I get confused by a lot of stuff.

[B]

I don't think most people in their 30s are either.

[A]

I get confused by a lot of stuff. I don't know what the kids are up to.

[B]

And by the way, all these people have people working for them that are the ages you're describing.

[C]

They do.

[A]

And they're all each other too. That's the thing about those people.

[B]

I'm sure they are.

[A]

Yeah. Living in D.C. long enough, you know, that doesn't. Red, blue, Democrat, Republican. You're. If you're an aide on Capitol Hill, you're another aid on Capitol Hill.

[B]

Small town.

[A]

Small town. Somebody asked me about, about D.C. if I like growing up there. I did. I really did enjoy growing up in the D.C. area. I think it's a great place to grow up. I would never move back. I don't want to move back. And they're like, why? Well, it is the most like cutthroat social climbing scene, professional climbing scene that you could ever imagine. Like, everybody's thinking about their next job. What can you do? For me, I only want to hang out with this person because they know somebody that's there or they work at this department and I think they can give me a good recommendation. It is like. And they're blatant about it. And I actually didn't know this until probably. I had to be at least like maybe 28, 29. That it's not normal when you are introduced to Somebody you say, you introduce yourself, you say your name, that one of the first questions that you ask the person shouldn't be, what do you do? But everybody in D.C. that's like the very first after, like, what's your name? What do you do? Where do you work? And apparently that's like, very, very rude to ask in other places. Like, right off the bat, people don't want to talk about it. I've talked to a lot of people that are like, we don't like to talk about what we do. Like, that's, that's a question you asked me after, like an hour of hanging out.

[B]

I feel like that's very normal.

[A]

I, I thought that it was growing up, but apparently it's not.

[B]

I, I.

[C]

You, you've had that experience?

[A]

Yeah, I have.

[B]

Where were these people got mad at you?

[A]

Well, not mad, but like, I've, I've had the conversation with people. It's like, oh, yeah, we don't, we don't ask people, like, what they do. That's more of a, like, familiar question,

[C]

like asking somebody they body count on the first date.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where was this? Tell me where this was.

[A]

It's more so people that I think moved to D.C. that then experience D.C. and they're like, that's the, it's the first question everybody asks.

[B]

I, I don't think that's a Washington, D.C. thing. I think that's very normal.

[C]

Okay, well, you think it's normal to not ask somebody.

[B]

No. To do it?

[C]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[B]

Oh, hey, nice to meet you. Like, what do you do?

[A]

Like, right off the bat, what do

[C]

you, what do you do for a living? Yeah, it's like one of the first. I had a wild dating experience. Semi is probably like four or five months ago where I had digitally met this Joan. And I was like, I was like, hey, what's going on? Small talk, small talk, small talk. What do you do? And then she goes, you're asking questions for like, a date. And I was like, okay. And she goes, well, you need to take me on a date if you're gonna ask those questions. And I was like, okay. So I kept it bland because she lives in another city. So I kept it bland until then. And then she goes like, you're not really even trying to get to know me. I was like, lady, you just told me not to ask you any, like, personal questions to save it for the date. And then it got really weird. Like she was an actual, like, psycho. And then, and then she was like, yeah, I don't want you to, like, dig too much. And I was like, okay, so I won't. And then later on, she was like, you're not a real man. You don't know how to. You know how to quarter a lady. She said, call me when you drop the skirt. I said, good. I didn't fight myself from calling. I didn't stop. I stopped myself from calling a. In my head, I called her. I was like, what the is you talking about? Like, you crazy, though. I said. I said. I said, have a good day, man. You seem like a great person.

[B]

I was actually with her on the first part. Save it for the show. But then she went off.

[C]

If we meet visually, I'm. So how am I going. Like, how you going to know you even want to get to a date with me if I don't ask deeper questions to see if I'm somebody you even want to hang out with?

[B]

I think if y' all live far away, that's different.

[D]

But, like, the date has to be planned, like, right away if that's the case.

[C]

But I see. And to me, I'm trying to save her because, like, in my mind, I always date women with the. With the. With the notion that they think that I might kill them. That's how I date. And so I try to eliminate that off rip. Say, I am not gonna murder you. And so I want to do this how you want to do this. But if you tell me to back the off and don't ask no deep questions, I'm gonna back the fuck up and don't act. No deep questions. But then if you didn't say, I'm not trying hard enough. I just think you're crazy then. Now you're just crazy. Yeah.

[D]

She seems a little better forward.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

There's a lid for every pot. She just wasn't your lid.

[B]

Was she hot?

[C]

Yeah. That's the only reason why I put up.

[A]

This was really great, really great tweet I saw the other day. I think this is from May 1st from Skyler. Rominous or Romans? I don't know how to pronounce her name. She said there was a guy from Twitter who used to send me flowers weekly for a while. We met IRL for the first time and went to dinner about a month ago. After that, he asked me out again. I thanked him and was honest that I didn't think we'd be compatible long term and shouldn't continue. He hasn't sent me flowers once since then. It's always good to have an opportunity to see someone's true character when they don't think they're going to get what they want from you anymore. Like someone who is genuinely invested in your happiness would have kept sending flowers. I don't know if this is rage bait. I don't know if. I don't know if I'm being trolled. I. I'm unfamiliar with Skyler's game.

[B]

I saw it. It seemed out of it realish.

[A]

I think it might.

[B]

It might because I saw the text that were within.

[A]

I'm going to put it 6040. 6040 real. And if so, I just want to say congrats to this guy for for dodging a major bullet. Good job, buddy.

[C]

Yeah, that is wild.

[A]

Also, good job respecting boundaries. Even though she's like, why you should now break those boundaries. Good job.

[C]

You.

[A]

You did the right thing.

[C]

Somebody. I'll send somebody. I used to date random flowers and like, what's this for? I'm just like, I just care about your well being and your personal happiness.

[A]

Don't expect anything.

[C]

Don't expect anything.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[A]

All right. You guys want to talk Helen Keller?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Let's talk about. I do have one more. Kind of. I saw that Cash Patel is using the FBI is using AI to catch school shootings before they happen. Which this is gonna go well, which if true.

[D]

How so?

[A]

I don't know. He says that they've. They've already stopped some school shootings. He said, what's the point in collecting terabytes of data if you can't sort it out? So I don't know exactly how they're doing. I think. I don't think that they want to say exactly how they're doing it, but it sounds. It sounds kind of like pre crime. Like if you watch Minority Report, right, Where they had the people, the. The cogs or whatever, the precogs that were just laying down in the goo and then just telling the detectives, go arrest this guy because he's about to commit a crime.

[B]

But that's been happening for years, though.

[A]

Well, you can't really get arrested for.

[B]

No, but there. You're being spied upon.

[A]

Yeah. Being spied upon. Yeah. But my, My theory or my thought is that maybe they're using it to like just read everybody's text, everybody's social media posts. And there's a certain algorithm that catches words. Like words that anybody could agree upon would be like, okay, this person's actually. He has committed a crime in like committing a threat, like a direct threat, and we caught it and it was flagged and we got him. I hope that's what they're doing.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what everyone just says they're using AI now to whatever extent what that means, who knows?

[A]

Yeah, some people just have software.

[B]

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[A]

All right, let's talk hk Helen Keller, the goat. Is she the goat?

[B]

The wo.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Embrace debate. Big T. You said the wot. The worst of all time.

[B]

Well, to be clear, most of my qualms are not with Helen.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think she had an attention seeker by her side.

[A]

So her, her cause was co opted. Yes, by the miracle worker, Ann Sullivan.

[B]

Correct. Okay, so I think an was was after the tabloids.

[A]

Let's talk about it a little bit. Helen Keller was born in 1880. Not a lot of pictures, not a lot of cameras back then. There were some childhood pictures that were taken of her, but it's not like we had, you know, vast troves of video evidence like we would have if she were born today. She was born 1880. It was in Tuscumbia. Tuscumbia, Alabama. And also I noticed this when I was looking up information about Helen Keller. Almost every picture from her childhood is it's of her with a different dog. And I don't know if I got got by the Internet, but I saw a picture of her as a baby with what appeared to be like a 65 pound jacked up pit bull. I saw a picture of her when she was a child with like a border collie. Every picture I see she's with a different dog. I don't know if her, her family like just got her dogs to hang out with or to protect her, but big, big dog person, I guess. So she was born 1880, when she was a Child. She had, they think, scarlet fever. It might have been rubella. And she lost her sight and her hearing. So she's been very, very famous because there's a movie, the Miracle Worker, that was made about her. She actually went on to do pretty incredible things. Regardless of whether or not she was completely blind and completely deaf. She led a very fulfilled life. She was an author. She graduated from Harvard's Women's College. She traveled to 39 countries, which pretty big deal back then. She helped to found the aclu. She was a partier. She was friends with the guy that invented the telephone, Alexander Graham Bell. She's friends with Mark Twain, published author. And she became, like, super, super famous as a disability activist because she was trying. She was trying to bring braille to the forefront in the United States and stressed the importance of educating disabled people to live better lives. So she did a lot socialist. She was. Yeah, she was a socialist as well. She was. And she was like, anti Hitler in 1933 before anyone else was. She was very outspoken. Interesting figure. I think, Big T. I think where a lot of the argument comes into play is I don't think that her being described as being deaf and blind necessarily implies that she is a hundred deaf and 100% blind. Like, if you're blinded as a child,

[B]

it's marketed pretty much that way. I don't know what the. Man, I sound terrible. I don't know what. What she claims, but that was my understanding.

[A]

So I've got, like. I've got family members who are legally blind, but they walk around, they can't really see unless they look, like, out of the corner of their eye, but they, like, have the, like, handicap privileges. And legally they've been declared blind. They can't drive or anything like that. So there's like, it's a spectrum of. Of how blind you are. I think in Helen Keller's case, she is. She is marketed, as you put it, like, kind of towards the all or nothing end, where it's like she can't see anything, she can't hear anything.

[B]

This says she lost her sight and hearing after a bout of illness when she was 19 months old. That sounds definitive to me. But.

[A]

And so she was. She was put in touch with Anne Sullivan.

[B]

She had no usable sight or hearing for communication. Okay, that's from the Perkins School for the Blind. So the claim is completely blind, completely deaf.

[A]

Okay. So she went to the Perkins Institute for the Blind, and they had a teacher by the name of Ann Sullivan. And Ann moved in and taught her braille taught her how to read lips, which. She's blind. I don't really understand. Maybe just like, feeling people's mouths. Taught her fingerspelling, and eventually taught her how to talk. I think a lot of people think that Helen Keller was not blonde, was not deaf, because it's hard to even imagine how somebody that is blind and deaf could learn how to do all these. All these things. It's. It kind of like breaks our brain to try to comprehend that somebody, like, writes the word water on your arm with water, and you're able to learn what that word is and what it means. That's. That's hard for us to believe.

[C]

She would also do things like, in her writings, describe colors in detail, which is, you know, from a sightseer's perspective is like. It's a little sus. It is a little sus. Like, I. I do understand that, but she did a lot of, like. I mean, the accusations, I think, are warranted because she did so much and was so limited.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[C]

It does beg the question, like,

[B]

you

[C]

guys are explaining to do. There's a lot of shit you did.

[A]

Well, just. Yeah, tell us how. Yeah, because this is. It's. It's crazy that you were able to accomplish all this. Yeah, I. I understand the skepticism 100. I do. She did the. The stuff where she's talking about her, like, where she's. You're talking about her writing, and she's using, like, very flowery language and talking about colors. I think her argument was that she, like, studied literature, and so she read authors that would talk about that stuff. So then she kind of, like, learn to copy that and understand it.

[C]

But she still says to me. Because I'm like, okay, that's their experience of the world. Why would that be your experience?

[A]

She was also accused of plagiarism at one point where she, like, wrote a book, like a fictional story.

[B]

The Frost King.

[A]

The Frost King. She wrote it as a birthday present for a guy by the name of Michael, and he was the director of the Perkins School for the Blind. And it was a story that was very similar to a book called Frost Fairies. And she got caught because the guy that ran the Perkins School for the Blind put that short story that she wrote in the alumni, like, newsletter. And people read it, they're like, hey, that's actually just based on. On this other one. And then they kind of had a falling out after that because they're like, hey, Ms. Sullivan, are you. Are you just plagiarizing things and claiming that Helen Keller is writing them. But then Helen Keller got very embarrassed and she was like, I must have just remembered the story. And I tried to write fiction, so I'm not going to write fiction anymore. So there was like a plagiarism accusation on her desk. And there's also accusations that her writing changed after she switched teachers and like guardians from Ann Sullivan to somebody else. There was like a different, different style could have been explained because she, she got older. She was like 50 at the time. But some people say, like, hey, this is actually evidence that Ann Sullivan was writing all her. And now she's not anymore.

[C]

I mean, yeah, yeah.

[B]

There was also in the, the plagiarism incident what struck me as a, a 19th century court or this might have been 20th century at that point. Coordinated media response in that Alexander Graham Bell, Mark Twain, Edward Everett Hale and some other people all came out were like, no, she didn't plagiarize. That's terrible. Like when you see the clips of who's the company that owns all the local news stations?

[A]

Sinclair.

[B]

Sinclair, yeah. Like when you see them all say the same thing.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

It struck me as that these are

[A]

the big names, these are the heavy hitters of that era.

[B]

I mean, if those three come out,

[A]

you're listening and they have your back. Yeah. So I could also see an explanation of like, hey, when, when Helen Keller writes stories, like, keep bear in mind, she, she can't see and she can't hear anything. So when she writes them, her handwriting is, you know, she'll skip words sometimes she'll just give you the nouns and try to tie those together. And then an Sullivan goes in, she cleans it up and she turns it into what she would call the, the finished prose. Like an editor that could be. That I think a reasonable person would expect. Maybe sometimes there's an editor for this person that literally can't see or hear when she's writing. We're just going to clean up some of the typos. And like sometimes the editor gets way too involved and adds words in and writes in their own voice. That could have been an explanation, but that's not the explanation that she used.

[B]

And it would have been easy for this Anne Sullivan to remain unnamed in the shadows if it was all Helen Keller doing.

[A]

Did seem like she wanted some press.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.

[A]

Yeah. It seems.

[B]

I think she, I think she sure did. I think she wanted us to still be talking about her.

[C]

She. She graduated cum laude from Radcliffe College.

[B]

Which one learned to.

[C]

I don't fucking know.

[B]

Helen Keller. You're talking about.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Learned to read and write in braille in English, French, German, Greek and Latin American. Learned to speak verbally despite being deaf. Mastered the Tadoma method, hearing by placing fingers on a speaker's lips and throat. She learned to use a typewriter. She wrote 14 books. She co founded the ACLU. She was part of the Socialist Party of America. She helped pass legislation establishing commissions for the blind for over 30 US states. She lobbied Congress for federal funding for blind services. She visited 35 countries on five continents as an ambassador for the blind. She toured Japan. She received the Presidential Medal of Freedom of Honor from lbj. She received honorary doctorates from Harvard, Temple, Glasgow, Berlin. Whit Wasterstren. She co starred in a movie, Deliverance. She performed on vaudeville circuit for four years. She became an accomplished swimmer, horseback rider, tandem bicyclist. She learned to sail and dance. Dog. No. You know and no.

[B]

A thousand percent. You're absolutely right. But. But something has just hit me.

[A]

That's a lot for anybody.

[C]

That is crazy.

[B]

Do you know who she is? And this. She is Jelly Roll. She's someone with a great story who is probably a wonderful person, but she was shoved down everyone's throat at every turn. Oh, look, she flew a plane. No, she didn't. They said, do you know about that? Do you know what they did? They sat her in the, the co pilot seat for 15 minutes.

[A]

I want to tell y' all something real quick. I was up in that plane. I looked down from that plane. That's. I used to be in that prison.

[B]

And I don't want to disparage Jelly Roll because he, he seems like an amazing guy with a great, great story and I like some of his music.

[A]

See, but my, my wife told me, you get your. You get out of that prison, you act right, Jelly Roll. And I say, I'm up here in this plane right now, mama. I ain't never coming down.

[B]

They sat her in the co pilot seat for 15 minutes, let the other guy fly the plane while she didn't take off or land or anything. And then they said, oh, she flew the plane. I don't know, maybe this was for the aclu, which a whole nother conversation that she. There was. She was a, a, an industry plant. Okay, now for whom I'm not entirely sure.

[A]

I think that. I think it's probably fair to say that it would be a safety hazard to let Helen Keller fly a plane

[B]

if she blinded death to begin. That is not which I believe she was. I do think there's a chance she might not have been.

[A]

That is that. I don't think that's ableist of me to say. Like, I don't think that.

[B]

Wait, so wait. To be clear, you don't believe someone with those disabilities could fly a plane as well as someone without them?

[A]

I don't believe that deaf and blind people are the safest choice to fly airplanes.

[B]

I think there are people who would say that's ableist.

[A]

I. Well, I think that's where we disagree, me and that person.

[B]

You believe that disability precludes them doing.

[A]

I believe that everybody's built in in different ways for different purposes.

[B]

Okay, I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying there's some people who might.

[A]

I'm not going to. I'm not going to be in the NBA, and that's okay. I don't think Helen Keller should have flown a plane, but clearly what that was, was a. You're right, publicity stunt. It's like, who knows? What were they up to that day flying across the Mediterranean? What were they promoting when that story

[B]

got it was Paris to Rome.

[A]

Was it when it got written up in the press? What was what was featured as, like, the key point of that article? Is it the type of plane they were on? Let's find out a new airline that let her fly. I want to know more about that because that does seem like it's like, you know, publicity stuff that would work back in the day and most people could just sit behind the. The stick and not touch anything and the plane would be okay for a little bit.

[C]

I am, I am not a believer. This is. I'm. I'm with Big T right here. Industry plant or just some kind of. This is propaganda.

[B]

This is a thousand percent. And the, the handler wanted to be famous.

[C]

I think that could be the case. There's just a lot. There's just so much going. She lived 30 lives, dog. Post World War II tours out of here, dog. No, no, I disagree.

[A]

I think that she. She might have been used for publicity. She might have even been paid for for some of that. But she also did, like, good work in terms of, like, educating a lot of blind people and making opportunities.

[C]

The lines are getting blurred because it's like, I don't know what she directly was responsible for or what her direct accomplishments were, because I think so much. You know, when people die or it's like if an athlete retires all of a sudden, nobody in that era could ever even touch them. No, no, dog. They, you know, they got their ass. Whooped too. Her, her death has embellished her resume so much and I think that was even the case while she was alive, that I don't know what's real. And so like, I don't even know what to admonish about her other than which I do. I will concede this fact. The fact that you can do anything of like significance being deaf and blind is fucking fantastic. So I don't want to disparage her from that aspect. I want to disparage the people around her. That, that, that, that started this. Like, like this, Is this some. No, bro, you can't do all those things with her condition. I'm sorry bro. I, I, I, I am, I'm a non believer. I think, I think somebody was writing for her. I think somebody had an agenda for her.

[B]

No, I don't believe 100%

[C]

I'm remaining.

[A]

What do you think I am? I'm of the belief that she is.

[B]

Watch him sit on this fence real quick.

[A]

I, I think that she was probably deaf and blind, but not totally deaf and blind.

[B]

That, that's interesting. Yeah, but, but say she was totally deaf and blind, which is what they claim, right?

[A]

I'm, which, I'm, which I'm saying I probably, I, I doubt.

[B]

So you think she did all the stuff, but she wasn't actually totally deaf and blind?

[A]

I think they could put her, I

[B]

think she was deaf and blind. It didn't do well, the stuff.

[A]

I think they could put her behind the seat of an airplane for 20 minutes. That's on autopilot.

[B]

Well, that's what they did regardless.

[A]

Yeah, I think that, and to be

[B]

clear, Aryan, you're with me, right? You think she probably was deaf and blind and didn't do the stuff?

[C]

Yeah, I think she was deaf and blind.

[B]

That's what I think also.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, I think she was a puppet for other people's agenda and it was used as propaganda for whatever said case.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

She happens all the time. Like Mother Teresa, like propaganda. Like, you know, one of the best people of all time. No piece of big piece.

[A]

So I, I point to her time on the vaudeville circuit when she was like they, I don't want to say traveling freak show, but that's kind of what they sold back in the day. So they called her the eighth wonder of the world and she did a 20 minute show. So she would tell her life story in her own words. Sullivan would translate what those words were that she was saying. Then they did Q A sessions with the audience and she was anti prohibition, actually she was big time anti prohibition. It was written up that she got asked by an audience member, what do you think is the most important question before the country today? Helen Keller's response? How to get a drink? I mean, respect. She's funny. Now, do you think that that, like the stories in the newspaper all made up?

[B]

I don't think they're made up. I think she was there while some of this stuff happened at the. The help of others. And they were like, look what Helen did. And it was used to advance.

[A]

Just.

[C]

You're in complete and total isolation. There is just no way. It can't be that you are just savvy and brilliant with that much limitation. I don't think it's possible.

[B]

And we're underselling that, by the way. We just keep saying deaf and blind, deaf and blind. And we all understand what those things are. Imagine you are in total darkness and you can't hear a thing. Your existence is only inside your own mind.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You have no perception of the rest of the world.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I. I mean, what. Yeah, we're underselling just how nuts that is.

[A]

It is crazy.

[B]

And I am to believe that she wrote these flowing essays and flew upon.

[C]

Talking about. Talking about the color velvet.

[B]

Come on, dog, get the out of here.

[C]

I'm not. Hell, no. Velvet and gold trim.

[A]

No, no, wait. But isn't. Velvet's not a color. Is that a texture? So doesn't that mean that velvet is a color? What do you mean velvet's a color?

[B]

Both.

[C]

Oh, no, that's it.

[A]

Velvet's like a.

[C]

Is violet. Violet. Violet, yeah, violet. My bad, my fault, my fault.

[B]

I think you can describe a color as velvet.

[A]

Yeah, it could be. Like if it's a fabric, it's like an adjective.

[C]

Yeah, I remember she wrote something about the color. I remember velvet.

[A]

I could be. Could have been violet.

[C]

Like gold trim. Violet, whatever. I started with a V. I could have been. Could have been. My mistake. Hand up. But in the fit of rage of me trying to be convinced that this person in complete and total isolation wrote beautiful language about colors. Come on, dog. Come on, man. No, man. No, no, no. And it just so happened the colors she was written, writing about were Ann Sullivan's favorite color.

[A]

Now, is that true?

[C]

Yeah. Well, on this little. Little joke that I read, there's. There's a. There's a color that she had written about that she got backlash from, and that's happened to be. And Sullivan's favorite color. And I mean, that's what I read that wrote. I'm not fact checking that.

[A]

If you're a teacher and you've got, like, a very favorite color, you probably teach your blind student about this cool color that you like.

[C]

Right. How do you teach a blind person about color?

[A]

How. Don't know how.

[C]

I was. I was listening to a blind guy. This was years back listen to a blind guy describe his experience. And somebody asked him, like, what do you see? And he's like, it's a nonsense question to ask me that. He's like, that's like me asking you, what do you see out of your elbow? That's what he said. Makes sense from his perspective. He's like, dog, I don't see anything. I have no perception or no nothing to relate. I just. So he didn't even understand darkness. You can't describe color. Maybe you can, and maybe I'm being able to hear, but I don't want to be disrespectful to blind people. But it's like, how do you explain to them color and then explain to them in a way where they feel inspired to write about it?

[B]

I heard a blind guy one time talk about people trying to describe colors to him, and he was like, they'll say red is hot. And he's like, okay, I. I know what hot is, but I have no perception of what that even means. Like that red is hot. What does that mean?

[C]

Yeah, it don't make sense. And so for you to describe color in your writing is bullshit.

[B]

Assuming it was her writing, which it was not.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think. I don't think she did. Honestly, I don't think she did any of this. I think she maybe was. She was able to read and braille. I think that was possible. The rest of this, I'm calling Cap.

[A]

You don't think that she was able to talk?

[B]

Shout out. Shout out 7 yeah.

[A]

You don't think she's ever able to talk?

[C]

I've seen video of her, like, expressing herself. Yeah, but that's not listed as an accomplishment. I'm talking about starting the aclu, flying a airplane, swimming, horseback riding.

[A]

Like dogs.

[C]

Give me. Miss me. Will all of that miss me?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I almost hate this.

[A]

I mean, it's pretty. It's pretty incredible that she was able to talk.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And.

[C]

Yeah, okay, that is amazing. But you're talking about somebody who. If. If somebody was burdened with the unfortunate circumstance to be deaf and blind, which is horrible. This is. You know what I'm saying? If you were able to communicate at all I'm thinking that's an amazing accomplishment. You talking about somebody who learned different languages,

[A]

wrote 14 books. Yeah.

[C]

Met with presidents. Come on, man.

[A]

Now I also wonder if the fact that she, she went blind and deaf allegedly when she was 18 or 19 months old, it's not like she had. Your memory doesn't develop before the age of like, I think usually three and a half, four for most people. But I wonder if like the fact that she did have 19 months where her eyes were working, if that made it, if that made her more able to like understand some of the concepts that were being talked about, like color, like if deep down she could understand.

[C]

Because your synapses for memory don't fire like that, Right. I don't know that's the correct way to say that.

[A]

I don't know. But like, we had that hypothetical, like, would you rather, if you were, if you were blind, would you rather be born blind or would you rather have sight and then go blind?

[D]

Blind.

[A]

It's easy. You'd rather have sight and then go blind. So you can understand the concepts of, like when people are telling you about stuff. I don't know, you can picture it in your mind's eye, but then, but

[C]

then it's better to have loved and lost and never to have loved at all. I don't know that to be the case.

[A]

No.

[C]

Because then, because then, then you're burdened for the rest of your life with knowing what you're missing out on. If you don't know what you're missing out on, then you don't. Then there's, there's. I think that lessens the suffering.

[A]

No, I think being able to like day to day stuff, like get around, handle things better because you have a concept of what somebody's talking about when they're like, hey, go, go four steps here. You're gonna go up the, step up the stairs and go through the door. Like you, you can picture all these things that you're doing. You probably get around a lot better. You could.

[C]

You're still thinking of it from your perspective though. So if, if you, if you have seen, you now know what you're not able to do anymore. And that would cause a certain amount of suffering. If you've never seen before, you have no idea what you're missing out. You're like, that just is what it is.

[A]

Yeah, I think I'm going to stand by that one. I'm going to be like, I, I would much rather be able to picture things that people describe to me,

[C]

not me. Make Me, Blind at birth.

[A]

We do have an update to the JP Morgan lawsuit thing.

[B]

Oh, I have an update on hantavirus.

[A]

Oh, okay. You want to go first or you want me to.

[B]

You go first.

[A]

Okay. J.P. morgan offered a million dollar settlement for the sexual assault claims before it went viral.

[B]

And he didn't take that.

[A]

He didn't take it.

[B]

This guy might be one of the. One of the all time morons.

[A]

Yeah. In a statement, JP Morgan spokesman said, we did try to reach an agreement to avoid the time and expensive litigation and to support an employee who is being threatened with a very reputational harm and unfolding. We continue to believe these allegations have no merit. And new information. Okay, I kind of get that.

[C]

I.

[A]

That's a reasonable explanation, I think, but like, million dollars is a million dollars. That's a lot of money to offer. If they like truly believe that it was false. I guess they did the math and they're like, we'd have to pay for lawyers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hours.

[B]

They don't even care if it's true or not. It's going to cost them more money than that just to deal with it.

[A]

Now everyone, every employee at JP Morgan is gonna be suing them.

[B]

By the way, there's confirmation from the World Health Organization that the cruise ship carrying the hantavirus can spread from human to human.

[A]

That's not good.

[B]

Wait, what do we do? We just gonna leave the ship out there?

[C]

I mean, I don't know.

[A]

How long do they stay out there? Get them. Get them back to dry land and put them in some sort of like the place that they do. Love is blind. Yeah. Put them in the rooms. They can talk to one person. They fall in love. We record it. Nick Lachey interviews him at the end. What do you think?

[B]

Could be interesting.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The quarantine featuring Nick Lachey.

[C]

Love is quarantine. I like it. All right.

[A]

We got anything else today? I don't know. Mad Dog McKenzie. What do you guys think about Helen Keller?

[D]

I think I'm on Big T's side where I do believe she is deaf and blind. Or was deaf and blind, Rip. But I don't know if all of what she did was fully just her working alone.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah. I think it was maybe embellished a little bit. Bit to be like, oh, she is so amazing. She can do all these things. Also, it was. When was she alive? Like the late 1800s.

[B]

Yeah. Born in like the 1880s, I think.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you kind of don't have to

[D]

verify that much back then.

[A]

She died in. I want to say 1960.

[B]

Born in 1880, died in 1968.

[D]

I will say it's crazy that she only died in 1968.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

It's kind of like. What is it? Van Gogh, where you're like, he, sneaky. Was alive until, like, the 90s or the 80s ladies or something.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How much footage do we have of her? Probably a decent amount, right?

[D]

I mean, we have a lot of pictures.

[A]

If she was famous, she was like, you know, world famous.

[D]

I always thought about with her, like, how you entertain yourself. If you have no ability to see or hear. How do you not go crazy just through boredom? But I guess if that's all you are kind of conscious with, then you just figure it out. You know what I mean, though?

[A]

Yeah. It's like if you're not touching anything, you have nothing. Like, nothing is going on.

[D]

You're in like a. You're in, like, almost like a deprivation tank.

[A]

Yeah. You have to have, like.

[D]

It's your body.

[A]

Yeah. Like a stress ball.

[B]

I want to do that, by the way.

[D]

A deprivation tape.

[B]

Yeah, there's one here.

[D]

Were you float?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

That was big, like, seven years ago. What would you. What would you do in there for an hour? Because I think it's like an hour session. You just go.

[C]

I don't know if I could laugh.

[B]

I think that's the whole point is you do nothing.

[D]

I think people, like. I think you, like, just float and, like, stare at the ceiling. Meditate.

[B]

I think it's, like, totally dark. You don't see anything.

[D]

That's like, stranger things. Yeah.

[C]

I don't know if I could last.

[B]

And I think it's. I think the water is supposed to be the temperature of your body, so. So that you don't even, like, you

[D]

feel like you're floating, but no, you

[B]

don't feel that you're floating.

[A]

It.

[B]

You. You kind of, like, just morph into the, like. Because you can't tell the difference between the temperature of your body and the temperature of the water.

[D]

I don't like that one bit.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know about that either.

[C]

There. There's that room where they say, like, you. It's. It's complete void. Like, this has sound panels, and it's like complete void of any sound. And it's like, really. I think it's, like, dangerous to go in there because you can literally hear blood coursing through your veins or your heartbeat. And I don't know how true that is. That's just the. I heard about it. But, like, that. That would be. I Don't know how long I could last in some like that. Like, scary.

[A]

Yeah, Just give you an anxiety attack.

[B]

There's always those things that go viral about like, could you sit in a padded room for a year with nothing for like a billion dollars or whatever? And people like, yeah, I could do that. No, the hell you couldn't.

[C]

Not a year.

[B]

You couldn't do it for a month.

[C]

A month would be hard.

[B]

A week would be. Dude, you have no idea what time it is. You have no idea if it's day or night. You have nothing. You don't have a magazine. You don't have a phone. You have nothing.

[D]

I don't like the not knowing what time of day it is.

[B]

No, you'd go insane.

[D]

I don't like that.

[B]

You could. You couldn't last a week for any amount of money. I guarantee it.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know if I could. Yeah, that's swap.

[B]

But. But somehow Helen Keller was flying planes. Sure thing.

[A]

Industry plant.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For the blind.

[D]

Her and Bobby Altoff.

[A]

Yeah. What's happened to old.

[D]

She's on. She's on the new Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[A]

Really?

[B]

You're kidding.

[D]

She's on the spin off Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Orange County.

[B]

There's no chance she's a Mormon?

[D]

No. Half of them on the new one aren't or never have been.

[A]

So what's she doing?

[D]

It's just reality show. It's like a Real Housewives of Orange county, but make it millennial people.

[A]

And they're in Utah.

[D]

No, they're in Orange county because the original is in Salt Lake City. And then this is a spin off that they're filming in Orange county.

[A]

And it's also Mormon.

[D]

It's technically Secret Lives Mormon Wives, So most of them aren't even Mormon.

[A]

Okay. I can't keep up.

[D]

They're. Most of the. The. The spin off that is that Bobby Altoff is in is with a ton of, like, TikTok moms.

[A]

All right.

[D]

But similar to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. But these TikTok moms, most of them do not have a connection to the Mormon Church.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Which I think is gonna be bust. But who am I? One of the. One of the moms on the show is in a polyamorous relationship. That will be interesting. But not Bobby Altoff. Well, who's to say but one of the moms on the show is currently in a polyamorous relationship.

[A]

All right, well, thank you for joining us on this week's macrodosing. We will see you guys next Tuesday.

[B]

Goodbye.

[A]

Love you guys.