The Man Who Built the FBI: J. Edgar Hoover | April 30, 2026

Summary

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Macrodosing: The Man Who Built the FBI – J. Edgar Hoover

Podcast: Macrodosing<br> Hosts: Arian Foster, PFT Commenter ("Big Cat"), Big T, Mad Dog<br> Date: April 30, 2026<br> Main Theme: An irreverent, wide-ranging discussion centered around the life, legacy, and controversies of J. Edgar Hoover, the architect of the FBI, plus the evolution of law enforcement, surveillance, conspiracies, and a heavy dose of the personalities and opinions that define the Macrodosing crew.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic "Macrodosing" cocktail: part historical deep dive, part culture war breakdown, and part panel banter, with J. Edgar Hoover as the anchor and a sprawling range of detours, sports tangents, and hot takes along the way. Through segments of laughter, personal anecdotes, and sharp critique, the group explores:

• Hoover's outsize influence on federal law enforcement
• The development and misuse of FBI powers
• Notable surveillance, blackmail, and wiretapping cases
• Hoover’s private life and cultural myths
• The birth and perception of the American Mafia
• Broader issues of government overreach, civil rights, surveillance, and legacy

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Key Discussion Points

1. Hoover’s Early Years and Motivation

• [56:48 – 58:59] Big Cat details how Hoover dodged military service in WWI by taking a government job, then later turned the FBI (formerly Bureau of Investigations) into a militaristic, law-enforcement agency, perhaps compensating for his lack of military service.
• At just 29 years old in 1924, Hoover becomes head of the agency, shaping it with centralized data, fingerprint registries, and a military-like ethos.

“He decided to make the Bureau almost like a branch of the military…” — Big Cat [57:19]

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2. The Good: Data, Forensics, and Federal Standardization

• [58:59 – 61:36] Hoover centralized crime data, started the national fingerprint registry, and spearheaded a forensic lab, helping smaller police departments solve crimes with more resources.
• Debate: Is national data collection good for law and order or potential government overreach?

“He started like the National Fingerprint Registry and made a central depository for crime data…” — Big Cat [59:01]

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3. Controversies and Abuses of Power

• Focus on Communism and Wiretapping: Hoover largely ignored the Mafia for decades, focusing on anti-communist actions and the persecution of suspected radicals.
• The infamous Palmer Raids of 1920 involved thousands arrested with little evidence.
• Wiretapping: Hoover pioneered illegal surveillance, including bugging MLK, JFK, and others, using compromising information for leverage.

"When it came down to bugging bedrooms, you had to be careful not to get caught… he decided up to a point where the boundaries of the law were…” — Big Cat [123:03]

• Personal Vendettas: Hoover kept secret files on celebrities and politicians deemed “subversive,” including Marilyn Monroe, Eleanor Roosevelt, Muhammad Ali, MLK Jr., John Lennon, and even Helen Keller.

"He kept a list of subversives… Marilyn Monroe, Muhammad Ali, Eleanor Roosevelt, John Lennon, Helen Keller…" — Big Cat [106:13]

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4. The Mafia: Existence, Exposure, and Hoover’s Blind Spot

• [77:39 – 83:23] For years, Hoover denied the Mafia even existed, focusing FBI resources elsewhere.
• The pivotal Appalachian raid (1957) exposed a nationwide Italian-American crime syndicate, finally forcing official recognition.

“It’s pretty crazy that this is what made them be like, yeah, the mob is real. One party that they had.” — Big Cat [83:12]

• Theories persist: Did the Mafia blackmail Hoover (possibly with sexual photos) to buy his silence prior to this raid?

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5. Hoover’s Personal Life, Sexuality, & Cultural Myths

• [87:49 – 118:17] The hosts revisit rumors of Hoover being a closeted gay man (often linked to his close friendship with Clyde Tolson), possible blackmail material, and notorious (but poorly sourced) cross-dressing tales.
• Authors and guests spar over the plausibility and motivations behind these stories, noting the lack of concrete evidence but acknowledging how they've shaped public perception.

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6. FBI Power, Surveillance, and Legacy

• Hoover’s tight grip on the bureau led to a now-mandatory 10-year term limit for directors (previously, Hoover remained in charge for decades).
• His legacy includes both instrumental advancements in forensic policing and deep governmental mistrust due to surveillance abuses.
• Modern critiques compare the “deep state” image of the FBI—bureaucratic and covert—to Hoover’s original playbook.

“The FBI as we know it exists pretty much in the image that he set forth for it.” — Big Cat [119:42]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Surveillance & Privacy:

  "He would wiretap MLK, JFK’s bedroom… had blackmail on his boss." — Big Cat [123:03/124:14] "He was obsessed with black liberation movements. Got Fred Hampton killed… He just wanted to disband the Black Panthers." — Arian Foster [121:30]

• On the Mafia:

  "How many Italians is too much?" — Big Cat [82:47] "60, we all agree that’s a crime.” — Big T [82:51]

• On Conspiracy and Control:

  “People also think that Hoover might have been part of the JFK assassination.” — Big Cat [112:28]

• On Hoover’s Character:

  “Are you saying that living with your mom at 40 is something you’d want or not want in a director of the FBI?” — Big T [119:34]

• On the FBI’s Surveillance List:

  “Helen Keller. I mean… What’s she hiding?” — Big Cat [109:46]

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Fun Sidebars & Timestamps

• College Football and “Shieldies” (NFL-only fans): [13:01 – 23:36] The crew jokes about sports allegiances and teases each other over college football knowledge.
• Movie Theaters, Phones, and Gun Talk: [31:08 – 40:18] Hilarious sidebar about movie theater etiquette, Second Amendment anxieties, and generational habits.
• Golf Rants & Parental Pride: [50:16 – 56:07] Arian laments golf’s emotional rollercoasters and shares excitement about training his son.
• Shoes-off-on-a-plane etiquette: [93:00 – 96:37] Lively discussion about what’s acceptable travel attire and hygiene.
• FBI Files on Celebrities: [106:13–109:46] The reveal of Hoover’s surveillance obsession, with shock at some inclusions, e.g., Helen Keller.

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Structure & Segment Guide

• [56:48 – 65:05]: J. Edgar Hoover bio and early career
• [65:05 – 76:07]: FBI methods, data, and forensics
• [77:39 – 83:23]: The Mafia, organized crime, and law enforcement response
• [87:49 – 96:00]: Hoover’s sexuality, rumors, and possible blackmail
• [119:15 – 125:09]: The legacy, buildings named after Hoover, blackmail, and final thoughts
• [106:13 – 112:28]: Celebrities surveilled and speculation about Hoover’s motives

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Tone, Language & Style

• Sarcastic, wisecracking, sometimes irreverent; the hosts blend pop culture, real research, and personal experience.
• Frequent crosstalk, friendly insults, and hypotheticals (“Would you rather be FBI director now or top mob boss in the 50s?”).
• A ran Foster and Big Cat balance serious critique—especially of government overreach and racism—with open takes about the difficulty of untangling fact from legend.

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Closing

The episode wraps with the hosts pondering the peculiar ironies of Hoover’s reign: a crusader against supposed threats became arguably the most powerful and unchecked official in American history. The group wonders about their own possible FBI files (“You can request them with a FOIA!”), muses about historical legacies, and teases next week’s topic—Helen Keller, with Big T as the resident truther.

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If you want insight on J. Edgar Hoover, early to mid-20th century American paranoia, and the roots of government surveillance—with a heavy side of Macrodosing banter—this episode is a must-listen.

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Selected Quotes with Timestamps

• On the criminal justice system:
  “If you get arrested, they fingerprint you. That goes to the FBI.” — Big Cat [60:44]

• On wiretapping MLK:
  “He would wiretap MLK, JFK’s bedroom… he had blackmail on his boss.” — Big Cat [123:03/124:14]

• On the mob's existence:
  “It's pretty crazy that this is what made them be like, yeah, the mob is real. Like, it was one party that they had.” — Big Cat [83:12]

• On Hoover's sexuality:
  “He did live with his mom until he was 40. And he had a very handsome deputy, Clyde Tolson, that probably dated until they both died.” — Big Cat [118:17]

• On FBI icons:
  “Helen Keller… was on an FBI watchlist because she was… a communist or a socialist, but… raised awareness for the blind.” — Big Cat [110:03]

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Up Next

Helen Keller: The Episode! — “That shit’s fake as hell.” — Big T [110:06] The crew promises a deep dive into the truth, myth, and memes surrounding one of America’s most iconic figures.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Big Cat]

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[Big T]

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[Big T]

If you tell me what is the number, I don't they.

[Big Cat]

It's obviously a conversation that somebody had to have.

[Big T]

60. We all agree that's a crime. 60 Italians too many is 50.

[Arian Foster]

That's actually hilarious.

[Big Cat]

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[Big T]

It's not even any celebration.

[Big Cat]

It just is acknowledgment.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog]

It's also happy bachelor party weekend to both of you as well.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, happy bachelor party big time.

[Big T]

No, enjoy. Enjoy yours.

[Big Cat]

I might, I might. You enjoy yours.

[Big T]

It sounds fun.

[Arian Foster]

You know, it's kind of wild that when you really think about it, how old are you, Big T, right now?

[Big T]

I'm 28 right now. I'll be 29 on Monday.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, so. So. So you're not really 29. Like you're really 30, right?

[Big T]

It's the end of your 29th year.

[Arian Foster]

That's kind of wild. Like whatever year you are, you actually a year older because we didn't start counting until a year after.

[Big T]

Yeah, your birthday comes at the end, not the beginning.

[Arian Foster]

It's just kind of wild. So like all those people, you know, dreading aging, you're already a year older than you think you are. Yeah.

[Mad Dog]

You've completed it more.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Big T, you are. You've been here for 40 or for 30 years?

[Big T]

Well, no, pretty much 29.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but pretty. You're turning 29.

[Arian Foster]

Uh huh.

[Big T]

Because I've been here for 29 years.

[Big Cat]

Oh yeah.

[Big T]

I was born 29 years ago.

[Big Cat]

You were born 29 years ago. So you're almost going on to your 30th year, correct? Yeah, almost. How you feeling about that?

[Big T]

Fine.

[Big Cat]

Mad Dog, how are you feeling? You like birthdays?

[Mad Dog]

Yeah, I don't mind my birthday. I'm not like a huge, like birthday. Like I'm gonna have a huge party person. I feel pretty indifferent about the age I'm turning. It doesn't really have a lot of juice behind it.

[Big T]

I Do one thing for my birthday every year, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna let you in on this secret because I think it's. It's important. So I like a yellow cake with chocolate frosting. That's all I want for my birthday. I don't need presents or anything. I want a yellow cake with chocolate frosting. But here's what you do. You make it in a bunt pan, and then you have full icing coverage on the entirety of the cake. Creates a much better cake experience.

[Big Cat]

That's a genius idea.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And that's your favorite yellow cake? Yeah. Ooey, gooey yellow, like buttery.

[Big T]

Just what yellow cake, man? I don't. I don't know.

[Big Cat]

No funfetti? No, no, no, no and no. No, like, swirls in the frosting or anything. Just chocolate. Just run the football and.

[Big T]

See, what I'm running into with these wedding cakes is they're like, okay, so you have eight layers of filling. What do you want? I'm like, just make a cake. I don't. I don't need to be involved in all this. I don't care. I'm at the point. I'm just going to tell them, pick whatever you. I'm not eating it. I don't care. Pick whatever you want.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So, by the way, these cake people, you wouldn't believe.

[Big Cat]

I mean, I'm in bakers.

[Big T]

I'm in charge of the cake.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Big T]

These prices.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Crazy.

[Big T]

You would not believe it.

[Big Cat]

I've never been more correct on a take than when people t. Got engaged. And I said.

[Big T]

I mean, I was just. Just wait, Big T. I mean, I

[Big Cat]

told you that you're gonna hate the next year.

[Big T]

Do you, like, what do you think a wedding cake costs that feeds, like, 50 people?

[Big Cat]

50 person wedding cake. Like, how many layers are we talking?

[Big T]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

You want to call it three layers?

[Big T]

It's a. They got a lot of layers in them. I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I think I'm gonna guess two grand.

[Big T]

Oh, okay. Well, you're off. I mean, that's a. That's an insane guess, but it's. I mean, it's half that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So not that insane of a guess.

[Big T]

They're both. They're outrageous.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So I'm trying to figure that out.

[Big Cat]

But Big T, I also want to. I want to pick your brain about something that came in the news yesterday. For the most part, I don't see it on the sheet, but I hope it's okay if we go off script a little bit.

[Big T]

Oh, Please do.

[Arian Foster]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

The quarterback situation at Texas Tech. What. What do you know about his expectations going into this season? Because I've heard that him like, as a quarterback, incredible talent, great arm, talent.

[Big T]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

Is that fair?

[Big T]

I wanted him at Tennessee bad.

[Big Cat]

Now, is he supposed to be one of the best quarterbacks in the country? And obviously we can be wrong about

[Big T]

this, this upcoming year.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. You look at like Club Nick and Nussmeier from last year. The expectations were.

[Big T]

Well, anyone that believed in Cade, Club Nick's a moron. But yes, I would say he's supposed to be one of the five best quarterbacks in the country.

[Big Cat]

Brendan Swordsby. And he. He was at Cincinnati and he was at Indiana prior to that. Prior to being at.

[Big T]

When they stunk and he red shirted.

[Big Cat]

So the school made an announcement the other day that he was leaving Texas Tech to go enroll in treatment for gambling addiction. Yeah.

[Big T]

Right.

[Big Cat]

And now stories are starting to come out that he placed bets on his own teams when he was at Indiana.

[Big T]

Yeah, I think when he was at Indiana, he placed a couple bets on them to win games.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So now there are a bunch of questions that come out. Number one, if he does have a gambling addiction, this is the right move for him to go seek treatment for it. And gambling addiction is real. And if you or someone you know is experiencing it 100 Gambler, there's also a chance that he is not addicted to gambling and he got caught gambling. And this is the first step of a PR handling of the situation.

[Big T]

They could both be true and.

[Big Cat]

They could both be true. And you could also make the argument that if you are a highly touted college quarterback and you bet any amount of money on any amount of college games, you have a gambling problem. Because you're throwing away potentially your future for the short term rush or winnings of gambling on sports.

[Big T]

It's reported he got about $5 million to play one season at Texas Tech this year.

[Big Cat]

Right. So if you throw that all away for like a $100 parlay, you could make the argument like, yeah, you have a gambling problem, you risk $5 million of your own future.

[Big T]

Talk about terrible odds.

[Big Cat]

Bad odds. Bad odds on that one.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. But could be just young too though, right? Because you know, did you have a gambling problem or is like, hey, I gotta try this out.

[Big T]

I think there is a part of the report said he was betting like a dollar on pitches at a Cincinnati Reds game. I think that is certainly different than betting on your own games as a player. I think that's where it Becomes. And I would. I've been shocked at the number of athletes this has happened to. If you would have asked me a couple years ago, like, I would have, what percentage of collegiate athletes are gambling? I don't know what I would have said. A pretty low number. Now, I think it's gambling on anything. I think it's over 50%.

[Big Cat]

You think over.

[Big T]

Over 50 gambling on anything? Yeah. And I don't know. Are they allowed to bet on, like, professional sports? I don't know.

[Big Cat]

I don't think so. I'm not sure.

[Big T]

Regard.

[Big Cat]

I don't know what the rules are.

[Big T]

And then betting on college football, I think it's certainly smaller than that, but not an insignificant number.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't know. I. I feel like,

[Big T]

okay, guys, it's grit week.

[Big Cat]

This is the part of the football calendar where nobody's watching.

[Big T]

But everything gets built.

[Big Cat]

Early mornings, pads back on conditioning, film reps. Spring training. In football is all about putting in

[Big T]

the work when nobody's cheering yet.

[Big Cat]

And honestly, that's the same mindset behind the Chevy Silverado. This is a truck that is the definition of grit.

[Big T]

Long days, dirty work, and showing up

[Big Cat]

day after day, no matter the conditions.

[Big T]

Strong, dependable, and built for the grind.

[Big Cat]

Because grit isn't about being flashy.

[Big T]

It's about being ready when it's time to go.

[Big Cat]

Check out the current offers and build your [e-mail] that's Silverado. All grit, no quit. And you can build your. Your [e-mail] today. The different algorithms, different sports betting companies have, they, they catch people that are doing it. Like, I. We've seen it in the NBA. We've seen it in the NFL where they will, like, lock in on geofenced areas and they're like, yeah, we're. We're getting bets from the Detroit Lions practice facility. Like, they, they did that a couple years ago. I, I feel like the technology has gotten to the point where they catch a lot of people that are doing it. So if you're still doing it, it's very dumb and you should stop, like, immediately.

[Big T]

The NCAA briefly allowed a rule in 2025 that would let players and staff bet on professional sports, but then rescinded it.

[Big Cat]

Okay,

[Big T]

so they can't bet on anything.

[Big Cat]

I think that. I think it's dumb if you do it. Now. Is it a Gant. Does he have a gambling addiction? He might.

[Arian Foster]

It.

[Big Cat]

He very well might, and that might be why he's seeking treatment for it. But also, I feel like if you were to design a PR Response to a situation like this where you found out that you were going to get caught for something, step one is like, yeah, let's go.

[Big T]

I would venture a guess this was done preemptively as a measure to see if there's a possibility that he can play.

[Big Cat]

Right. And I think it regardless of the veracity of the claim of him having gambling addiction, and if he does, I hope he gets treatment for it. I don't think that they're going to let him play.

[Big T]

I don't see how they can given that he bet on a game in which his own team played.

[Big Cat]

And the ncaa, really, they haven't had an enforcement arm in a while. And the enforcement arm that they do have is very weak. But I would suspect that if they ruled him ineligible for this year, I guess you could appeal that in court. But my guess would be that he would not end up playing at all this year.

[Big T]

Tell me about the NFL supplemental draft.

[Big Cat]

That's the other question.

[Big T]

Does that happen every year or only if there are, like, people who want to be in it?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So I'm not a supplemental draft expert.

[Big T]

Well, you're a Shieldy.

[Big Cat]

I am a Shieldy.

[Big T]

Do you know. Did you see Shieldy?

[Big Cat]

No.

[Big T]

That's the new slur for guys who only watch the NFL.

[Big Cat]

I love that. Yeah, I love that. There was a tweet like Stephen Chase Shieldy.

[Big T]

Yes. There was a. This guy said. Who were they talking about? This guy said, finally studying Leonard Moore and someone said, my favorite part is you saying finally about a 2027 prospect literally one day after the 26 NFL draft ended. My type of sicko. This guy responded, you'd already know how good he is if you shield these. Ever watched college football?

[Big Cat]

That's beautiful. We've got a few Shieldies around here. Oh, yeah, I'd say quite a few. Who's the number one Shieldy at Barstool Sports?

[Big T]

Che. Che doesn't like you. You're aware of what's going on in college football?

[Arian Foster]

Who.

[Big Cat]

Who started the whole.

[Big T]

You're a Shield.

[Big Cat]

Doesn't watch college. But I. What? I watch college football every Saturday from 11am until 11pm every Saturday in the fall.

[Arian Foster]

Every Saturday.

[Big T]

You're not locked in?

[Big Cat]

Every Saturday I watched college football non minimum two games at once. Sometimes four games at once.

[Big T]

Who?

[Big Cat]

Well, I need to find who. Who. The. The ground where. The ground zero of the name.

[Big T]

Name as many head coaches in the SEC as you can.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

Are you. Are you fighting not watching CFB allegations?

[Big Cat]

I'm fighting those allegations, yes. Yes. I am.

[Arian Foster]

I'm fighting them.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so let's. Let's see. You've got Hypo at Tennessee. One, you've got, and this is off season. Deborah at Alabama, Lane Kiffin, lsu. Elko at A and M. Steve Sarkeesian at Texas. Get them off you Dog Drinkwitz at Mizzou. Florida hired Tulane. Skipping my mind, the Tulane head coach.

[Big T]

I'm not giving you that.

[Big Cat]

Mincy's best friend.

[Big T]

You can come back to it.

[Big Cat]

Okay. It was Billy Napier. Billy Napier left. Okay. Other school. Kirby Smart, Georgia. Vandy's. I know Vandy's head coach.

[Big T]

In season I get easy to say his name.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. In season I get this within a matter of two seconds.

[Big T]

But that. But that's what separates a shield.

[Big Cat]

Offseason, my brain goes elsewhere.

[Big T]

Right. You're at seven out of 16.

[Big Cat]

Okay. And then Auburn hired. Was it the UNT head coach?

[Big T]

Nope.

[Big Cat]

Who did Auburn hire? I forget who.

[Big T]

I mean, I know because I know, I follow coach.

[Big Cat]

But you're also obsessed with the sec.

[Big T]

I mean, I could name you all the Big Ten coach. Ah, probably not all of them, but

[Mad Dog]

what do you call the opposite? Because like, you don't really watch the NFL.

[Big T]

Yeah, I mean, if you want to come up with a slur for just CFB heads, that's fine, but.

[Big Cat]

So you're obsessed.

[Arian Foster]

Are you low key, not a sports guy?

[Big Cat]

You're obsessed with boys you'd much rather.

[Big T]

Buddy, these guys play till they're 28 every Saturday.

[Big Cat]

You're like, time to see what the boys are up to.

[Mad Dog]

And you're obsessed with men.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I am obsessed with men.

[Big T]

You're at 7, by the way. Are you out?

[Big Cat]

I'm trying to think what schools I did not bring up.

[Big T]

We're missing Arkansas. Mississippi State.

[Big Cat]

Arkansas. Wait, did they fire. They did fire Pittman, right?

[Big T]

Did they?

[Big Cat]

They had to have fired Pittman. I'd be shocked if they didn't fire Pittman.

[Big T]

I guess you tell me.

[Big Cat]

But then who. Who took the Arkansas gig? Fuck it. I'll just say Pittman then. Far.

[Big T]

Yeah. That he's been fired.

[Arian Foster]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

All right.

[Big T]

I thought that he would be so. So seven.

[Big Cat]

Well, let's see. What other schools are we missing out on?

[Big T]

I think we've established Mississippi State. I mean, what? You don't have to keep going.

[Arian Foster]

It's fine.

[Big Cat]

Who's Mississippi? The right. Former defensive coordinator at Mississippi State. Right.

[Big T]

No, that guy's been long fired.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. Mississippi State. Sorry, Brian.

[Big T]

So we're missing Jeff Lebby at Mississippi State.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Big T]

Ryan Silverfield at Arkansas. The former Memphis head coach.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Big T]

Auburn hired Alex Golish from South Florida.

[Big Cat]

That's right.

[Big T]

Formerly Tennessee offensive coordinator. The Florida coach from Tulane is John Sumrall.

[Arian Foster]

Somer.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Okay, that one I should have gotten.

[Big T]

Vandy is Clark Lee.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Big T]

Are we. What other schools? Oklahoma.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Brett Finnables.

[Big T]

Yes. Is that it? You got Missouri? Kentucky.

[Big Cat]

Kentucky is.

[Big T]

There's no chance he knows us.

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, I would have gotten. Stoops.

[Big T]

It's not him.

[Big Cat]

I know it's not him. Give me the school he came from.

[Big T]

I don't think I will.

[Big Cat]

Because you don't know.

[Big T]

He came from Oregon.

[Big Cat]

Okay, There we go. Yeah, you're right. I don't know.

[Big T]

Will Stein.

[Big Cat]

Will Stein.

[Big T]

Okay. South Carolina.

[Big Cat]

South Carolina would be Beamer.

[Big T]

Okay. If you didn't know that that was going to be a problem.

[Big Cat]

Beamer.

[Big T]

Is that all of them? I think so.

[Arian Foster]

Can I pass the test?

[Big T]

Man, seven out of 16.

[Arian Foster]

Wait, how much do you want?

[Big T]

I would have. I would have loved 12.

[Big Cat]

South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Oklahoma.

[Big T]

Just naming schools.

[Big Cat]

Texas, Texas A M. He's named the ones he got. I'm in the ones that I got. Missouri. I'm at 8 right now.

[Big T]

You ended up with 8 because you got. Or 9 because you got Venables and Beamer. Even though.

[Big Cat]

So I got nine.

[Big T]

I had to name the schools for you.

[Arian Foster]

You.

[Big Cat]

Well, that's fine. I knew the coaches. The question was, do you know the coaches?

[Big T]

Okay, that's fine.

[Big Cat]

Nine out of 16. And there were. There's some trail. The one that I'll say I should have gotten. Without a doubt. I should have gotten some role. I knew Summer all. He was an OP all last year.

[Big T]

So you did not.

[Big Cat]

You did. Golish. I know Golish, but I. I had forgotten that he was hired by it.

[Big T]

So you resent being called a Shieldy?

[Big Cat]

I don't. I'm not a shield.

[Arian Foster]

No.

[Big Cat]

I guess I think maybe the more I. I push against it, maybe the more people will be likely to call me a Shieldy.

[Big T]

Like, Che is 1000% a shield. He doesn't know. Like, he doesn't know who Arch Manning is. That hasn't crossed his radar yet. Maybe because of draft stuff.

[Big Cat]

He.

[Big T]

Okay. He doesn't know Lenore Sellers. He has no idea who Lenore Sellers is. Chase. A Shieldy. I've got some other people I'd call Shieldies, but it would cause. It would cause a ruckus. I can't. But there. There are other Shieldies.

[Big Cat]

Mm. Say one. Say one. That would Cause ruckus. I can't cause one ruckus. I can't cause one. One ruckus.

[Big T]

I can't do it.

[Big Cat]

Who did you say Ole Miss was again?

[Big T]

Oh, we. Pete Golding. We didn't say him.

[Big Cat]

Pete Golding, that's right.

[Mad Dog]

Are they in this office or New York?

[Big T]

If I, if I speak big trouble. And I don't want to be in big trouble.

[Mad Dog]

Oh, interesting, interesting.

[Big T]

We have, we have shieldies here. That's all someone important.

[Big Cat]

And Jerry, Jerry is a thousand. A self avowed shield.

[Big T]

But. But he, he knows it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog]

Jersey or O'? Connell?

[Big T]

Jersey.

[Big Cat]

Jack McCarthy. Shieldy.

[Big T]

I don't even know that he, he would identify as that. I think he's just.

[Big Cat]

He's not a sports guy.

[Big T]

Watch sports when they're on while I'm drinking guy.

[Big Cat]

He's a drinking guy.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Big T]

He's a Corsi.

[Big Cat]

Rico Bosco.

[Big T]

He watches college football.

[Big Cat]

Okay. All right. That was a test.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's a test.

[Big Cat]

You passed.

[Mad Dog]

Is it someone on PFT's other podcast?

[Big T]

No, I mean that. Listen, you're.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean Hank is a.

[Big T]

This is a company of shieldies and that's fine.

[Big Cat]

I wouldn't even say Hank's a shield. Hank's a patsy. He only cares about the Patriots. Okay, I, I will say I'm not.

[Arian Foster]

I'm.

[Big Cat]

I've never made the claim that I'm as big a college football guy as.

[Arian Foster]

As you.

[Big T]

Well, when I called you a shield

[Big Cat]

that you tried or Brandon Walker.

[Big T]

Talk about how much college football you watch.

[Big Cat]

Well, I mean, clearly I'm not, I'm not even close on the same level as you were, Brandon.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

You guys are. You guys are the top two. But to say like I don't watch college football, that to me is slur.

[Big T]

I believe college football is on in your vicinity on Saturdays.

[Big Cat]

I believe that every Saturday all fall.

[Big T]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

For 12 hours.

[Big T]

Are you locked into it? I don't know. Do you have more than one screen on? I doubt it.

[Big Cat]

I do have more than one screen

[Big T]

on how many on a Saturday?

[Big Cat]

Typically I got two screens going.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I mean two.

[Big Cat]

And then I've got. Well, on one of the screens I'll have multi view.

[Big T]

Okay. I mean, that's fine.

[Big Cat]

It is fine.

[Big T]

I mean I got seven TVs in here and then I pull up an iPad and a computer.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Big T]

You're locked in to make sure we're not missing anything.

[Big Cat]

You're locked in.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Big T]

I love college football, man.

[Big Cat]

All Right. I'm glad we got.

[Big T]

We're almost in May. So it's almost May, which means you really just have to get through like six weeks and then it's. You can start doing previews.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you gotta. Yeah.

[Big T]

So we're almost there.

[Mad Dog]

Like it's like once your wedding's over.

[Big T]

Right. I was just thinking that. And then I go on a two week honeymoon and then once we're back from that, it's college football season. Okay, we're almost there.

[Big Cat]

Nearly there. Should go more.

[Arian Foster]

Enjoy. More enjoyable. Your honeymoon or the beginning of college football season.

[Big T]

I do have a sick honeymoon planned so I feel like that. That should be better. But there are some great games to open the year. I mean what we've done we. Week one now is. I mean we've got. Let me see what we've got. Week one. I know week two there are some awesome games. I think week two, Tennessee goes to Georgia Tech. I think there is Oklahoma, Michigan again is Texas, Ohio State also in week two. I don't know a lot of great games but. But I do have. Hawaii is going to be sick. I've got a lot of good stuff planned in Hawaii.

[Arian Foster]

I'm excited for you, man.

[Big T]

Thank you.

[Big Cat]

Big T. To answer your question about the supplemental draft, I think they do have the draft every year because there's always somebody that could be eligible for it and. But it's not like held on a. On a single. A single day. So it varies from year to year. They will have a supplemental draft this year and Swordsby could potentially put his name in there. And if he does, that means that he could be drafted just based on the. The arm talent alone and that way he wouldn't even have to worry about going back to college and like getting

[Big T]

ruled eligible now that this has happened. I can't believe this guy didn't go to Tennessee. This is the most Tennessee thing that's ever happened.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, you dodged a bullet on this one.

[Big T]

Showed up $5 million quarterback gambling.

[Big Cat]

Do you know who the. Maybe the biggest name. What are any names. Can you name any names of any players that have been selected in the supplemental draft for the NFL?

[Big T]

Was Maurice Claret in the supplemental draft?

[Big Cat]

Maurice Claret was not.

[Arian Foster]

He was in the third round. I thought.

[Big Cat]

Yeah,

[Big T]

I don't.

[Arian Foster]

One of my favorite backs of all time.

[Big Cat]

He was nasty.

[Arian Foster]

One of my favorite college.

[Big T]

Did he ever do anything in the NFL?

[Arian Foster]

He got drafted to Denver and never really panned out. I think, I think he did okay, but it wasn't like his hype There

[Big Cat]

were some rumors at the time too, when he went to the NFL that he was like, in practice, he might not have had water in his water bottle.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, really?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think he was credited with the phrase, I got to get my goose on.

[Big T]

Oh. He never even played in the NFL. He was released in training camp.

[Arian Foster]

Really? Oh, wow.

[Mad Dog]

Damn.

[Arian Foster]

I didn't know he was released. I thought he played a little bit.

[Big T]

Played for the Omaha Nighthawks.

[Arian Foster]

Damn.

[Big T]

But yeah, no, I don't. I've. I hear of the supplemental draft every now and then, but I don't know anybody that's been.

[Big Cat]

Josh Gordon would be the big name I was thinking of. Yeah. Terrell Pryor as well. That's right after the tattoos.

[Big T]

Ended up having a nice career.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, really nice career. So it looks like, according to Wikipedia, which is quite reliable, we haven't had a single player taken in the supplemental draft since 2019.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's why I was saying, like, I don't even know that they have it every year.

[Big Cat]

I think they do. They do like a, A meeting or like a conference call and they just say, okay, first round, anyone want to give a first round pick for anybody? Okay, anyone want to do a second round pick? Okay, third round.

[Arian Foster]

And then.

[Big Cat]

So it can be like a five minute call sometimes.

[Big T]

Is that how it works?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I think so. So you can give up a pick in maybe the next draft and it's like a bidding process on each player.

[Big T]

Interesting.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So, yeah, it would be potentially an out for. For Swordsby if he didn't want to try to return or if he felt that he was going to be suspended. Try to go to the NFL and see if a team takes a flyer on you, which I feel like they're. There probably should be a team that should take a chance on him if the arm is that good. I've heard some people say he's got like a top 10 NFL arm right now.

[Big T]

I think he's really good, but I don't know.

[Big Cat]

He's got to play more football too.

[Arian Foster]

What happened with your boy? What's good name? Diego Rivera or whatever? The Heisman candidate?

[Big T]

Yeah. He went undrafted and then didn't even.

[Arian Foster]

How does that happen? How does it happen? What happened?

[Big T]

He's like five eight and in. In no position to play quarterback in the NFL.

[Arian Foster]

Okay. I didn't know he was five eight.

[Big T]

He might be five ten, but he. I mean, he's tiny. He's not five' nine. His arm is not. They ran a very. Like, he's a. He was a talented Runner and played their offense well in college football. He has no prospects of being in NFL quarterback. And then I think he didn't even sign like a UDFA contract. He just got an invite to the Ravens mini camp. But then they did sign him after the fact to an undrafted free agent.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he got a three year deal with Ravens.

[Big T]

Have you seen that's the new thing that agents have these guys tweeting out as like, oh, they signed a three year deal. All these guys are going to be released in two months.

[Big Cat]

It could be, it could be a

[Big T]

one week deal, right? Yeah, but that's, that's what they have them doing is oh, they signed a three year deal.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, three years.

[Arian Foster]

They're doing. Hold on. Undrafted dudes run three year deals now.

[Big Cat]

But I don't think it's really three years. You know how that.

[Arian Foster]

I know. I mean they can terminate any time, but when I signed my. Because I was undrafted, it's a two year deal. They usually can't lock up dudes for that long because let's say, let's say he balls. 3 years is crazy to be making minimum if you balling out.

[Big Cat]

True. So it's actually a bad. That's a really bad contract.

[Arian Foster]

It's horrible. Like I did a two year deal and I won the NFL Russian title under undrafted. I was making league minimum and I led the league in touchdowns, rushing yards. Yeah. All purpose yards. Severely underpaid.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's kind of crazy. So if you're Pavia, even though it sounds like it sounds cool to say three year deal. Really? You would want a one year deal?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, you should do one year if

[Big Cat]

you get a one year deal. Because it's not like he's making any real money off the three and it's not like there's any guaranteed money that comes from year two and year three. If they don't like you after like a week, they can cut you guys.

[Big T]

I don't, I don't think any of this is anything Diego Pavia needs to be worried about.

[Big Cat]

Okay. I think we're just trying to keep

[Arian Foster]

trying to take care of his upside.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah. I think he will be going pro in something other than sports.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

I loved that commercial.

[Big T]

Was that enterprise?

[Arian Foster]

I don't know what it was, but

[Big T]

I think it was Enterprise rental car.

[Arian Foster]

That was my like I used to tell people that. Were you finna go pro some other than sports though?

[Big T]

Like during games, games, practice,

[Arian Foster]

talk.

[Big T]

Yeah, that was probably about that time. I think it was Enterprise and they were like, we hire a Bunch of former NCAA athletes. Yeah, it's like going pro in something other than sports.

[Big Cat]

What are. What are the biggest companies that do that? Enterprise Home Depot. That's mostly for, like, Olympics, too.

[Big T]

I don't know where their company's known for hiring student athletes.

[Big Cat]

I think those are the two big ones.

[Big T]

Car dealerships everywhere.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Let's get to big T sheet, and then we're going to talk about J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI.

[Big T]

It's a light sheet today because we came in here early and we got a heart out.

[Big Cat]

All right, so big T, number one on the sheet. Dallas has discovered lottery or. Sorry, has discovered libraries.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

They banned phones in schools, and now they're. The books checked out in the school libraries are up 24%.

[Big Cat]

So from the first day of school to March 31, the district. The district reported an increase of more than 200,000 additional books checked out compared to the previous year. So it seems like banning phones is working or at least having some good side effects. Yeah, I like it. Do you agree that more places should do the master's thing? Just lock phones out in school?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

What about just places?

[Big T]

I mean, if a private business wants to do that, the people, the market will decide if that's a good idea or not.

[Big Cat]

That's what I'm saying. But would you. Would your own personal market decide if it was a good idea?

[Arian Foster]

What, you had to take it there?

[Big T]

No, I mean, I'm like, if you want to do that, that's great, but then people might not want to go to your place.

[Big Cat]

Correct. I'm wondering if you think your. Your own personal big T market, in order to.

[Big T]

To not be able to carry my cell phone somewhere, it would need to be something as awesome as the Masters.

[Big Cat]

Okay, what about.

[Big T]

Which not many exist.

[Big Cat]

Going to a movie, phone lockers or. Or they give you the bag at the. When you walk into the theater, no struggling.

[Arian Foster]

They're already struggling for customers anyway.

[Big Cat]

I think you can only do that

[Arian Foster]

if you have an exclusive event that no matter what, want to come to.

[Big T]

Yeah, now I do go. The theater I go to, it's called Alamo Drafthouse. You ever been there?

[Big Cat]

Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

Their whole thing is like, if you pull your phone out, we'll kill you.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So they are very strict on it, but I mean, I want to have it on me in case, you know, need it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Big T]

But I mean, they. They five times before the movie starts, they're like, if you pull out your phone, we will see it and we

[Big Cat]

will kick you out what about nice restaurant

[Big T]

again? Like, it's fine if you tell people don't have it out, but taking it. If you're taking it, it's got to be something cool.

[Big Cat]

Not taking it, but you're not allowed to have it out. Like, if you take your phone out at the table, the manager will stop by and we'll say, sir, put that away.

[Big T]

And. But see, I have a problem with authority because I think that's probably a good idea. But I don't want you telling me.

[Big Cat]

But if you're going to this restaurant,

[Big T]

let people decide on their own.

[Big Cat]

You're opting in to.

[Big T]

I understand the no phones. That's why I probably wouldn't go.

[Big Cat]

Probably wouldn't.

[Arian Foster]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

So that's the market. That's the big T market.

[Big T]

Like, and I think that's a great idea to go to dinner with your wife, whatever, and have no phones. Yeah, but that's. You can't tell me.

[Arian Foster]

What about the. Here's the. The movie Gore stats. You guys are interested. Adults under 50 are more likely to attend, with two thirds of those aged 18 to 29 attending in the past year, compared to only 39% of those 65. And older income. Upper income Americans have the highest attendance rate, 64% compared to lower income adults, 43, which makes sense because it should be expected. Like it'd be the food. That's how you get people to stay is the food ethnicity. Hispanic adults, 59 reported the highest attendance, followed by white 53 and black 49. We up.

[Big T]

You a movie guy?

[Arian Foster]

I am, actually. I do be going. I feel like it's like the last little bit of my youth that I'm trying to cling to. It just. It feels good when some. When a dope movie comes out to, you know, go see it. I'll see it on a big screen.

[Big T]

I'm surprised that younger people go more than old people.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, that was surprising.

[Big T]

I feel like old people love movies.

[Arian Foster]

I think streaming is the convenience of it is just.

[Big T]

Well, that's. But that's another reason, like, more young people stream stuff, so I would think they don't go to the theater as often.

[Arian Foster]

Right. I don't know. I don't know what the sample size is as well. This is a Pew Research poll, actually.

[Big T]

I enjoy a nice theater, but I can't go to one that just has. That was like it is in 2005 with the Stadium. Soon it's got to have recliners.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Got to have like good food. But in that situation, I like a

[Arian Foster]

theater And I always bring a burner too. I'd be nervous. Colorado got me.

[Big T]

Don't say that.

[Mad Dog]

I get nervous. I don't go to the movies like that because I get nervous. I do not have something to bring with me like that. But I, I can't, I can't do movies very often because I get so anxious.

[Arian Foster]

I don't, I don't trust that shit because like it'd be a regular worker, like he'd just be walking in bringing somebody food. I'm like, what's this thing like, what's

[Mad Dog]

up with this dude?

[Big T]

I am, I am hyper aware in movie theaters and it kind of bugs me out sometimes.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, but when you got the burner though, like it make you feel a. It better. It's your second amendment right. I don't think you can bring it in the movie theaters, but.

[Big T]

Correct.

[Mad Dog]

But then, then your movie experience is like ruined because you're worried about a mass shooting happening.

[Arian Foster]

I already am worried about a mass shooting. I just know that now I got the burner.

[Mad Dog]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

But I don't less likely that. Well, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta get you one. Gotta get you some.

[Big T]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mad Dog]

I don't think I need, I need all that.

[Arian Foster]

Until you do say it's all saying rather be caught with it than caught without one.

[Big T]

Facts.

[Mad Dog]

I don't, I don't think Mad Dog is the one that needs to. I don't think you guys need me with that. But I get so nervous.

[Arian Foster]

Like movie theaters are shooter unsuspecting.

[Big T]

Yeah, I don't think, I don't think

[Mad Dog]

we need that myself on accident. Yeah. Like I don't think I'm equipped.

[Big T]

There is one gun you manufacture that. That might happen.

[Big Cat]

But.

[Mad Dog]

Yeah, but what's this?

[Big T]

There, There's a Sig gun that has had some issues firing on its own.

[Arian Foster]

Oh really? I didn't notice.

[Big T]

Yeah, the. It's the P320. If you look it up. There's. There are several reported incidents of the gun firing without the trigger being pulled.

[Big Cat]

P3.20 and doesn't it have like a hair trigger on it too? Like if you just touch it, like it's such a light amount of pressure that's required to shoot.

[Big T]

No, it's just. I believe the trigger's flat on it. But it's. Most people didn't believe it until I think recently there was a guy in the Air force that had happened to. And then people were like, well, he probably knows what he's doing with a firearm.

[Big Cat]

So so, yeah, probably.

[Big T]

It seems like there might be some sort of issue.

[Big Cat]

That'd be the one thing that if you're designing a gun you probably want to. You'd want to test, right?

[Big T]

Yeah, I would say that would be probably number one on my list, is that it only fires when I tell it to.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's the kind of the point of having a gun. You don't want a gun that goes rogue, right?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I'm not like a super live when it comes to guns. Like, it's whatever. I don't think we should have them, but if we got them, we got them. I ain't tripping, but there was a gun. I saw the other date. I was like, come on though. Who the needs this? It was a. It was a. A shotgun.

[Big T]

That's like, this means about sick as.

[Arian Foster]

You said what?

[Big T]

Nothing. I said this means it's about to be sick as, bro.

[Arian Foster]

It was a shotgun that you just hold the trigger. Who the needs that? Like, nobody needs that. That's ridiculous. That's crazy. Who needs what? Is it semi automatic?

[Big T]

Well, no, that would be automatic.

[Arian Foster]

That would be automatic. Automatic. Is that automatic?

[Big Cat]

Shotgun duck.

[Arian Foster]

That's.

[Big T]

Is that legal?

[Big Cat]

It can't be.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know. I don't know, man. It was st. I was like, yo, nobody need this, man. Get the out of here. And that. I'm thinking about. It could be AI, but that.

[Big T]

Fully automatic shotguns are legal in the US but are heavily restricted as machine guns under the National Firearms act. Ownership requires ATF approval, a $200 tax stamp, and registration. And they have to be made before May 19, 1986.

[Arian Foster]

Like, you don't need that, dog. Nobody needs that. It was wild.

[Big T]

I don't know if I've ever seen an automatic shotgun. Was it AI? Did you get AI'd?

[Arian Foster]

I don't. There's no way. It was. It was like weeks ago when I saw it. I don't. There's no.

[Big Cat]

I've seen it.

[Arian Foster]

I don't think. I don't think so.

[Big T]

It says they exist. I've just never seen one.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it didn't trigger.

[Arian Foster]

My. My radar didn't go up, you know, so I'm pretty. I'm pretty keen. I. I ain't. I ain't boomerasque when it comes to the Internet. I'm pre.

[Big T]

I got got by one the other day. Well, I don't think it was AI. I think it was just an edited video. Yeah, but it was this freshman in high school quarterback who was just throwing the. The most Perfect ball you've ever seen. Did you see that?

[Big Cat]

A lot of people got caught by that.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah. And. And it. I don't know, I guess they were cutting after the throw and then putting in something. I don't know. But it was not 100%.

[Big Cat]

It's computer enhanced. Yeah, the zooms were too perfect on the ball. Like right as the ball jumped out of his hand.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Everyone gets Scott though. It happens.

[Big T]

I mean, it's only going to get worse.

[Big Cat]

Aryan, I've got some. Some shocking news for you.

[Arian Foster]

Lay it on me, big dog.

[Big Cat]

You and. And Jack Posobiek. I share a brain. You guys share brain.

[Big T]

I'm fascinated to hear what you guys

[Big Cat]

are in lockstep about a take. Yeah.

[Big T]

What could this be?

[Mad Dog]

I have no idea.

[Arian Foster]

Who is this cat? I don't know who this is.

[Big Cat]

A right wing guy. He's a big pizza gate guy.

[Big T]

He's a guy with whom I can't imagine you share any opinions. So I'm fascinated to know what this is.

[Big Cat]

One of our nation's largest culture war enthusiasts.

[Arian Foster]

Okay, so right wing pundit. Okay, lay it on me.

[Big Cat]

Michael Jackson was the only one Hollywood called a pedo because he was the only one who wasn't.

[Big T]

Wow.

[Big Cat]

Jack Posobiek. Arian Foster broke broken clocks.

[Arian Foster]

Right. Twice a day, though. I will, I will. I will go to town with anybody who wants to debate me on Michael Jackson. Anybody. Dog, I believe.

[Big T]

Have you seen the new movie?

[Arian Foster]

I have not. My kids. My kids are hounding me about it. We probably gonna go this weekend.

[Big T]

It's supposed to be terrible.

[Mad Dog]

Really? Yeah. I haven't heard many good things.

[Arian Foster]

I mean, I mean, there just aren't many good biopics. The only really good biopic that I've really. I was like a yo was no. 2. I'm sorry, there's two Malcolm X that was crazy dope with Denzel and then Ray Ray Charles with. With Jimmy Foxx. That them two were like unreal, but amazingly done. The acting was incredible. The script was dope. Everything was fire. Other than that, they've all been kind of meh. All of them, all of them are kind of whack. So I'm not expecting too much. My daughter, my oldest daughter did go see it with her homegirls and she text me like he really was the goat. I'm like, absolutely, he was.

[Big T]

Michael is a very bad movie with very good music that Antoine Fuqua deploys to disguise the fact that Michael is a very bad movie.

[Arian Foster]

Fine. I mean, I'm not expecting Much. I, I know everything about him already, so I ain't gonna find out nothing. I, I don't know. So, yeah, shout out to that right wing dude for, for seeing the truth, seeing the light. Yeah.

[Big Cat]

There's also another big. There's a big debate going on amongst the right regarding a movie that's coming out on, on May 1st, actually this weekend. What it is, it's Animal Farm. Oh, animated version of Animal Farm is coming. Yeah, yeah. The, the literary classic written by George Orwell comes out on Friday.

[Arian Foster]

They love that guy.

[Big Cat]

It debuted so Orwellian. It debuted back in June 2025 and they finally found a distribution partner and the, the partner that's distributing it has tried to engage several, several people on the right to, to do advertising for the film. And some have said yes, some have said no. I saw Riley Gaines tweeted out about it yesterday saying it's a great film with a great message about how Marxism will never win. And then Tim Pool, Tim Pool is very woke to what, what Riley Gaines is saying about it. And he's upset with her that she's taking money from the studio. And in fact, this is the, the new Animal Farm is a revisionist piece of, of leftist garbage. So there's. Okay, there's a lot of discussion, a lot of really thought provoking discussion and debate going on amongst the influencers trying to figure out exactly whether or not Animal Farm is woke or not. I, to be honest, that's great promotion for them. I, I did not know that Animal Farm was coming out this weekend until I saw them talking about it.

[Arian Foster]

You know, you know what else is not to, not to derail your, your point? But a classic in our time, Lord of the Flies, a remake of Lord of the Flies is coming out on Netflix.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no way.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Who's in it? Do you know much?

[Arian Foster]

Low kids, Dog. I don't know them.

[Big Cat]

I'm looking at the cast of Animal Farm. It's pretty good cast, actually. So Seth Rogen plays Napoleon. We've got Kieran Culkin who plays squealer Glenn Close, isn't it? Steve Buscemi. Laverne Cox was the pig, if my

[Arian Foster]

memory serves me correctly.

[Big Cat]

Yep. Woody Harrelson. Yeah, good cast.

[Arian Foster]

Anti Vaxxer, but I love Woody.

[Big Cat]

Me too. I love that guy. But yeah, people are, are debating about what the, what the message of Animal Farm was and whether or not the new adaptation stays true to that or if it evolves into political commentary. If they, if they made George Orwell get political.

[Arian Foster]

There's no Way to say that.

[Big Cat]

There's probably no person in American literary history that's as political as George Orwell. The man. What I'm saying, the man. The man went overseas to fight in the Spanish Civil War out of conviction. Like, that's pretty political.

[Arian Foster]

All of this was political.

[Big Cat]

Very political. That's like. That's all he wrote about, especially after he got back.

[Arian Foster]

Comedy.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Orwellian is a cool word, though. I always. I think about that, like, if it wasn't so cool sounding to say stuff was Orwellian, would people say it? I think they'd probably just say dystopian instead. But Orwellian sounds like. Yeah, it sounds way cooler.

[Arian Foster]

It's gonna be interesting. The. The remake. I'm gonna watch it.

[Big Cat]

Lord of Flies.

[Arian Foster]

No, I was talking about the Animal Farm.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, well, it's out this weekend.

[Big T]

Has that been a movie before?

[Big Cat]

I'm sure they've probably tried to make it into a movie. Not that I hadn't seen it.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was like. I think it was like a little. Not animated, but like they. They had like, live action, like animals. But it was, like, fake, you know, of course, obviously. But like, it was. It was like a real one, I think so. Let me see.

[Big T]

Seeing. There's one from 1954.

[Big Cat]

They did a live action animal, Animal Farm in 1950. I got to see that. That was probably trash.

[Big T]

It's a cartoon.

[Arian Foster]

Oh.

[Big Cat]

I was thinking it was like, Mr. Ed.

[Arian Foster]

Nah. Yeah.

[Big T]

When was the book?

[Arian Foster]

1999. Yep. That's what I thought. Napoleon. Napoleon.

[Big Cat]

You went to that? The book came out 1945. 45.

[Big T]

Didn't know it was that old.

[Big Cat]

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[Arian Foster]

I almost quit golf again yesterday.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no. What happened?

[Arian Foster]

I was playing at probably my favorite course in Houston. It's called lock and bar. And I'm rolling, dog. Rolling. I'm two over through nine, right? So I was about to have a nice. And mind you, we play for the tips. This is a hard course. It's a good course. Like, I'm moving. I'm like 70 in sight again. End up getting a double. That's fine. I could rebound. I end up getting a double. So I. So I shoot 40 on the. On the front line, right? Which is. I'm in line for 80, which is. That would be a good. That'll be a good day. And then the next hole, I go double, triple bogey. And it's just so. Like this game, dog. Like this game. Like, I almost. Almost quit. I held it together. I kept my composure up. Shoot at 84, which is a good score. But it's just. This game is just. What the.

[Big T]

You'll never quit, though.

[Arian Foster]

I know, dog, is that I'm in an abusive relationship, dog. And I love her.

[Big T]

You'll be playing this for 40 years.

[Arian Foster]

I know. I know. She gonna be beating my ass, and I'm gonna tell her it's. It's. It's me. It's not her.

[Big T]

I played with a guy last summer, just a random guy. I forget exactly how old he was in his 80s. And. And the one of the other guys that we were playing with was like, yeah, he broke his back last year, and he's not supposed to be playing golf. And his. His wife doesn't know, but he comes out here still, like, four times a week, and she thinks he's somewhere else.

[Arian Foster]

I love that.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

That is amazing. Yeah, man. It's just one of them. One of them games, though. But I seriously thought I had seven pars in a row. That was my record. I was balling. Everything was working, and then all of a sudden, it just stopped.

[Big Cat]

You just.

[Arian Foster]

You just lose your swing thought in the middle of the round. Like, what the was that? Yeah, just. I don't know. Nonetheless, I have a tee time today.

[Big Cat]

There you go. And you'll go out there, you'll. You'll hit that shot, and you'll be back.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I'll be back.

[Big Cat]

You'll be so bad.

[Big T]

How many days a week do you play,

[Big Cat]

weather permitting?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, every. Every day.

[Big T]

Love it.

[Arian Foster]

Every day. Like, if I don't got something going on with my kids and stuff, really excited. My. My son locked in. This is my oldest son. He's gonna turn 13 in, like, seven days. He's like, hey, I need to come live with you for three months straight. Like, no going back and forth because he wants to train for basketball. Like, he wants to lock the in. I'm like, there you go. Now you're getting it. I love it. There's nothing better when your kids choose that. Not for, like, you know, he loves his mom, whatever, but he just knows, like, yo, I got to lock the in. And I'm excited for that. So, like, I'm. Take, like, three months, and we going, like, I'm really trained him like, the. That my dad put me through. It's gonna be fun. I'm excited about that. It's like, a little project will be really fun.

[Big Cat]

Well, good luck. I hope that you go. You go out there and you. First hole. Immediately you're like, I'm back. First shot.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, I mean, I'm back right now. I'm just. I'm never. I'm never gonna quit this stupid game. But I almost be like. It's really just like, am I gonna throw a club in the water today or not? Is basically what it is. Yeah. The good thing is, though, my putting has been unreal lately. Like, I'm. I'm locked in. Like, I'm. I haven't three putting, like, two, three rounds. Like, it's. It's getting scary with the putter. It's just right now, my short game, aside from Putting is just killing me right now. Like, my short game was my regular short game. I'm cracking 70 every time I go out there. I mean, so I'm cracking 80 every time I go out there. But it's like I just. I just do stupid shit. I'll duff it all. It's just. I don't know. I'm gonna figure this out, though. Maybe not.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Why is it that sometimes you go out there and you just. You like your short game has been really good, but then one day you just hit everything thin.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know about thin. That's a low point issue. But for me, while my don't, it's because I'll be in between swing thoughts for everything else. And they're all different. They're different shots. Your driver is different than your, your, Your woods and your hybrids. Those woods and hybrids are different than your irons. Your irons are different than your wedges. They're all different shots. And so like, like sometimes, like when you correct something and you start hitting that good that with the other thing, and you have to go back to how you was doing that, but that might with the thing that you just corrected. It's just a lot of. A lot of different. Like my sand out of the bunker has been costing me, but yesterday I spent about an hour and a half after the round to correct it, and I did. And now I feel like I'm very confident out of it. We'll see what that up today, though, you know.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I do find that on the days where everything else is broken, but my short game is really good. I. I typically shoot, like, not bad. A pretty average round.

[Arian Foster]

It's the, It's.

[Big Cat]

It's the.

[Arian Foster]

If I was to, like. If somebody was, like, starting out golf, I would. That's the advice I would give them. Get your short game. Just work on your short game. That is the difference between like a 95 and an 85. Dead ass. Like, it will change around. Short game is everything. Everybody wants to work on the drives and then I get it. But short game will change your. Your golf game.

[Big Cat]

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[Big T]

Really?

[Big Cat]

The G Men. Yeah, because they, they were like super clean cut and there was like a certain type of person I guess you could compare them to. Was it Mr. Anderson in the Matrix movies?

[Big T]

You know, I haven't seen,

[Big Cat]

but yeah, like, you know, clean cut, shaven, short hair, buttoned up, goody two shoes kind of guys. They were called the G Men. And that was, that was Jake or Hoover's preferred type of dude that he would hire. But Hoover worked for, for the predecessor to the FBI, the Bureau of Investigations. And he worked for them going back actually to World War I. So people were getting drafted and going overseas and fighting. He had a family to take care of. He was like the breadwinner, even as, like a younger kid in his family. So he decided to get a government job because if you got a government job back then, you were, you didn't have to go into the draft and then go have, have to go into the service. So he started working for the Bureau of Investigation and he had like a. I, I don't know if you call it like survivor's guilt, but he was always compensating for not having been in World War I when everybody else had to go over there. So he decided to make the Bureau of Investigations almost like, like he was going to make it almost like a branch of the military. Like he would do a bunch of armed raids and they would be structured very similar to the military. And it was his way of kind of coping for the fact that he did not go serve in, in the Great War, as they called it at the time. So he was named head of the entire agency in 1924, and he was 29. And then it got changed to being the FBI in 1935. And he was the first director of, of the FBI. And he, a controversial guy. He, he started a lot of the programs that they use to this day, like some good stuff and some bad stuff. So like, you want to do good stuff first or bad stuff first?

[Big T]

Good news or the bad news?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the good news is probably quicker. That's fair. So he's, he started like the National Fingerprint Registry and he, he made like a central depository for like, different types of crimes, learning about different motives and, and ways that different crimes were committed so that there was a central place people could study, they could gather data and figure out how to.

[Arian Foster]

What do you feel about that?

[Big T]

About a national fingerprint registry?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Well, so you, you're not in it until you do something where you have to be, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So.

[Big Cat]

Or if you, you know, there are some people that are unfairly arrested for things and I.

[Arian Foster]

But hold on. Don't you have to do it when you get your driver's license?

[Big Cat]

I don't think that goes to the FBI, though.

[Big T]

I don't think so.

[Mad Dog]

I didn't. I don't think I had to get my fingerprint when I got my license.

[Arian Foster]

Am I tripping?

[Big T]

I think you only get put in it if you get arrested or you take a job that requires it. I'm not sure on all the.

[Big Cat]

I think it's everyone that gets arrested,

[Big T]

but it's more than that too. I think, I think there are some

[Arian Foster]

jobs some states do. Some states do. That is a state. State thing. In Texas you do.

[Big T]

Interesting. But there are plenty of people who aren't in it, so I don't know. I, I mean, if you get arrested, I guess it makes sense that they would need your fingerprints. Although I would be fine saving that for if you get convicted of a crime.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but that's not the case. If you get, if you get arrested, they fingerprint you. That goes to the FBI. I also think if you get, if you like, buy a firearm and like you have to give your fingerprints for it for background check, I think that goes to the FBI in case you, in case they find evidence down the line that you've. That there's fingerprints on a gun or something like that.

[Big T]

I don't know that you have to do that. You do not have to provide fingerprints to buy a gun in Most of

[Big Cat]

the U.S. what about the states that you do, though?

[Big T]

Fingerprints are required for specific items like machine guns or in states with strict licensing, such as Illinois, for void renewals, certain applications, and some New Jersey permits. Yes.

[Big Cat]

I wonder how much of that is shared with the FBI then.

[Big T]

I'm sure all of it,

[Big Cat]

but yeah, so they have a, the, the largest collection of fingerprints in the United States. So if, if they get brought in to help investigate a crime, they're typically the ones that would be able to, to do the best in terms of matching up prints. They've got a national forensic laboratory too. So when you hear like local police departments be like, we need more resources, we're calling in the FBI. That means that they, they bring in those highly trained, hopefully federal agents to help the smaller ones assist with their, the investigation. So I guess I Think that's a good thing, right? I think, I think it's good to have people that in theory should be better at tracking down criminal.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know how I feel about that, actually. Think about it.

[Big Cat]

They still haven't found that kidnapper in Arizona yet.

[Arian Foster]

What kidnapper?

[Big Cat]

Nancy Guthrie.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I remember this story.

[Big Cat]

The. The host of the Today show, her mom.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's still open, brother.

[Mad Dog]

They got nothing.

[Big T]

Kind of morbidly fascinating.

[Arian Foster]

Was she dead now? Then she gotta be dead.

[Big T]

She's been dead the whole time.

[Mad Dog]

But they don't know where she is, who took her, anything. And it happened in January.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, okay.

[Mad Dog]

Now remember, and they have ring camera footage. Well, he's wearing a mask, but still they have something.

[Arian Foster]

Getting that. But old ladies is crazy work. Like it's. I mean, I mean kidnapping anybody's pretty crazy, but like old people, like, yo, I'm going to take this 80 year old. Like what? That is wild though.

[Big T]

If you think about it though. I think the only way you can get away with a crime these days is if it's just totally random. Like someone you've never met before that you have no connection to and you just randomly. And even then I have to imagine it's remarkably difficult. But so like kidnapping an old woman and like robbing her, I guess in a way does seem like something that if you were to get away with something, like if they don't have it, if they have no idea who it is, like, you know, it's not somebody that knew her or anything.

[Arian Foster]

And you're not advocating for this, clearly?

[Big T]

Of course not.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Just sounded really like.

[Big T]

No, I'm just like if you, if you kill someone, you know they're gonna find you.

[Arian Foster]

Which are most murders are proximity and somebody you know usually the case. Right. Shout out to Mama. Mama. Girthrie. Girthrie.

[Big Cat]

I just, I. I don't think. I. I don't think it's possible to get away with too many crimes if you know the person at all. And even let's say this person didn't know the grandma. So many different, like red light cameras, tollbooth cameras, license plate readers, neighbors ring cameras, like cell phone evidence. There's just so much stuff that they have to have. Right. I have no idea how. How anyone can get away with it for this long.

[Arian Foster]

That's a. That's another thing. A lot of these murderers, they be keeping their phones on them and they can ping you doggy. So if you, if you are big T. If you are to murder somebody Stop. Make sure you make sure you don't know them and make sure you don't have your phone on you.

[Big T]

I can't go to jail. I could never.

[Big Cat]

Even if you turn your phone off, they can use that as evidence too.

[Arian Foster]

Just leave it on and keep it in the house.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they were. Wasn't that one of the ones in the. The Idaho murders? Like he turned his phone off, I think the night of the murder.

[Big T]

I thought they had him close. Like they.

[Arian Foster]

Man, man's with zero dark thirty.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, they did. They had him close and then I think he turned his phone off. And they, they can use that as evidence if there's like a pattern. The only time that you've turned your phone off is like at the exact time that this happened. They be like, well, that so funny to me.

[Arian Foster]

Man said, yo, I'm about to lock in. He just turned his phone crazy.

[Big Cat]

I'm off the grid.

[Big T]

When's the last time y' all turned your phone off?

[Big Cat]

Like actively?

[Arian Foster]

The other day.

[Big Cat]

Turn it off.

[Arian Foster]

I did it the other day. Yeah, I did the other day to just kind of reset it. Cuz something wasn't working. So like I just reset it.

[Big T]

I couldn't even tell you the last time I did it.

[Big Cat]

I don't know. I don't know the last time I turned my phone off. Like silent is one thing. Do not disturb.

[Big T]

Yeah, that's just a setting. I'm saying turn your phone off.

[Big Cat]

I don't know, Big T, That's a great question.

[Big T]

It might be years, I don't think.

[Big Cat]

Mine might not be years, but it's months for sure.

[Big T]

I don't ever turn it off.

[Big Cat]

Like, what would be the point of turning? Like if you're getting on the plane,

[Big T]

I think they tell you you're supposed to every few weeks to like just. Just turn off and back on for a second. But I don't.

[Big Cat]

You know what I'm giving.

[Arian Foster]

Let's do it. Let's. Let's do a little factory reset. Okay, everybody just turn your phones off. Listeners out there too. Well, no, because you're probably listening.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's bad idea. Bad idea.

[Big T]

Could be on YouTube.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. If you're not listening on your phone, go ahead and give it a little factory reset. Man. Everybody just turn your phone off. Turn it back on, Let your battery breathe a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, turned it off now.

[Arian Foster]

Okay. I remember when I turned it off last, I went to a Disney cruise. It wasn't a couple. It was. Yeah, it was the summer, in the summer. And this phone Here, peep this. I had no idea. I'm walking at the little. At the cruise that they have. They have like their own private island and like you go to the island and like it's just people from the cruise that are just. You get like four or five hours or whatever. I go, this is. My phone's in my pocket. All my kids in the, in the jungle swimming and they're like, come on. I was like, it, let's go. I go in the. Excuse me. The water and I'm literally soaking. This was in the water for like 30 minutes in my pocket. Like I was literally just chilling by the time I realized I didn't know. So I dried it, turned it off, turned it back on and works perfectly. I don't, I don't know. By the grace of God, I think

[Big T]

they say they're water resistant now, but that you're still not supposed to like submerge it for an eight period. Shit.

[Arian Foster]

Was submerged for like 30 minutes, like in the water dog. Unreal. And this is the same one. It still works perfectly. Nothing wrong with it.

[Big T]

It's a good product.

[Arian Foster]

Shout out to Tim Cook.

[Big T]

He's stepping down.

[Big Cat]

Tim Apple.

[Arian Foster]

Tim Apple stepping down?

[Big Cat]

I think so.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I think so.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Really?

[Big T]

He's got to be old.

[Mad Dog]

He's 65.

[Big T]

He just wants to go to Auburn games.

[Mad Dog]

Is he an Auburn guy?

[Big T]

Oh yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Or Damn Eagle. What did they say why he he stepping down?

[Mad Dog]

I don't know if they gave a reason, but the new CEO is like a long time vice president of the hardware engineering. So at Apple. So he's been around. John Ternus, he's been around forever.

[Arian Foster]

As long as he can keep the. The culture alive. They kind of killed it when Steve Jobs died. Actually now I'm thinking about it. I don't know if you remember this, but like early on they refused to do celebrity like endorsements. Not endorsements, partnerships. Yeah. Like for advertising. They just would never do it. Like they were like really staunch like our product is our product. And now they. Now they don't care their horse and just do it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. What's the next Apple product that's going to come out that's going to like shock the world? Because I feel like we're overdue. They've been too quiet for too long.

[Mad Dog]

I feel like it has to be something AI related.

[Big T]

Unfortunately they thought it was going to be the. The headset.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, the headset. That thing stinks.

[Arian Foster]

Whoa.

[Big Cat]

When's the last time you used it?

[Arian Foster]

Whoa. I think the last time I. It the only usage I get from it is if I have a long plane ride, I'll bring it. It's amazing to watch movies on. Like you're not in wherever you're at that is dope as fuck. But other than that it should. Don't do nothing. She can't wait.

[Big Cat]

I'll give you that. I think I have. I've used it to have like three, four different screens on at once. But it feels like it's harder and harder to do that now because now they. If you play one, the other stops. But for a while it was kind of cool. But then you're also just like sitting there in your living room wearing a headset by yourself. And it's not like it's a, it's not a great way to do anything.

[Arian Foster]

That's that they don't, they didn't build out any like world for it. There's nothing for it. It's just regular Apple apps on your face. Yeah, they didn't do it. Like if they built something for it, I feel like it would be better. But they just. They didn't.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's an iPad for your face.

[Big T]

Can I use one of yalls for my nine hour flight to Hawaii?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

All right. I want to try it for sure.

[Big Cat]

It's. It's okay. The battery life, not great. So you probably have to have like a separate like mophie to plug in to the battery thing that it has.

[Big T]

That's fine.

[Big Cat]

Okay. But yeah, not great. Not great by Apple. And it's very expensive. It is good for like VR gaming. I'll give them that. The. Yeah, that's pretty sick. But also you're, you're sitting there with a giant helmet on and it never, it never works right the first time. You always have to like figure out and troubleshoot something. Once they get it figured out, it'll probably be cool technology.

[Big T]

What would be the best movie to watch on that?

[Arian Foster]

The Matrix. Dog.

[Big Cat]

Ooh, Training Day.

[Big T]

Oh yeah, I gotta watch Training Day. That's when I'll watch it.

[Big Cat]

You should.

[Big T]

That's when I'll watch it.

[Arian Foster]

Training Day. The Matrix. And there's another one you didn't see.

[Big T]

There's a lot.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. And just, you know, run back the sandlot. You know, you may find a little soft spot in your heart for it.

[Big T]

It just, it doesn't, it's not, it's not for me.

[Arian Foster]

It's not just everything you love. It's baseball.

[Big T]

There's so many better baseball movies though.

[Arian Foster]

Benny the Jet Rodriguez.

[Big T]

I Don't hate it. I don't hate it. It's just not my favorite.

[Arian Foster]

Tommy. What's his name? Tommy with the big hats. Smalls. Come on, dog. America. Sweet America. Beautiful movie dog. Sandy. No.

[Big Cat]

Wendy.

[Arian Foster]

Prefer corn.

[Big T]

Yep.

[Arian Foster]

Come on, dogs.

[Big T]

Ham Porter, I think makes a living now.

[Arian Foster]

Baby Ruth.

[Big T]

He's at every, like, card show.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Signing autographs. I'm sure he makes a great living doing it.

[Big Cat]

He was a big time kid, sports movie guy.

[Big T]

What else?

[Big Cat]

Was he also in the Big Green, the soccer movie?

[Big T]

I've never heard of that.

[Arian Foster]

He was.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

I forgot about the Big Green. Yeah. What was the other one? The. Really the. The soccer kid movie that I liked had Rodney Dangerfield in it.

[Big T]

I have no idea.

[Big Cat]

Oh, Ladybugs. Ladybugs.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, there you go. The Ladybugs. Lady. Get those nail breakers. Yeah. Back in the day, we're. We're aging ourselves right now. Don't mind us.

[Big T]

Yeah, My childhood soccer movie was kicking and screaming.

[Big Cat]

Good film.

[Big T]

Was still one of my favorites.

[Arian Foster]

I haven't seen that one. I haven't seen.

[Big T]

Oh, must watch she's the Man.

[Mad Dog]

Another soccer movie. So good.

[Big T]

Can you. Can you stop doing that with the cup, please? Great film.

[Mad Dog]

Give the ball to the Italians.

[Big T]

Nobody's smoking.

[Big Cat]

Do you think I could.

[Big T]

I could quote that entire movie that end Fever Pitch? Yeah, Fever Pitch, more so. But I could do kicking and screaming. 90%.

[Big Cat]

You think ladybugs holds up?

[Arian Foster]

Oh, probably not. No.

[Big Cat]

Maybe not.

[Big T]

No Ladybugs.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, with some. With some. What's up, man? I don't. I don't. I don't know that I, like, loved it. I just remember watching it.

[Big Cat]

I mean, Roddy Dangerfield is so funny.

[Big T]

14 on rotten tomatoes.

[Arian Foster]

That probably tracks. Yeah, that probably tracks. Yeah. I don't even recommend seeing it, actually.

[Big T]

Forced to coach a girl's soccer team, a salesman stacks it with his girlfriend's son in disguise. So this is a. She's the man.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, God, I forgot about the whole plot.

[Big T]

Yeah, I guess it's actually reverse. Yeah,

[Arian Foster]

I forgot about that. Yeah, his. His son plays on his soccer team to help him win or some like that. That's. That's not flying today.

[Big T]

What year is this from? 1992.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Oh, this has the woman who was the mom in, like, every Disney Channel show. Yeah, I don't know her name.

[Big Cat]

All right. More J. Edgar Hoover shit.

[Big T]

What a transition.

[Big Cat]

Yep, that's. I. I think I pretty much reached the end of the good stuff that he did, like establish the natural.

[Big T]

You got one thing with a fingerprint

[Big Cat]

and the forensic stuff, I, I count those as two things. He probably also arrested some bad guys. I'm sure definitely arrested some bad guys. So he, he knew the power of the press. He knew the power of like making a big show whenever he did anything. So he would, he would try to take people out in like a spectacular show of force. Like when he, he got Dillinger and had a bunch of people just shoot him on the street.

[Arian Foster]

He.

[Big Cat]

That was like, that was good for his, his image. Like, I'm a tough guy.

[Arian Foster]

I.

[Big Cat]

Law and order, tough on crime. He was initially very, very, very anti communist, anti anarchist and anti radical. So in 1920, there were thousands of people that he, he rounded up claiming that they were communists, claiming that they were anarchists. Did not really have a whole lot of evidence to support the allegations, but he, he arrested thousands of people in what they called the Palmer Raids. And the Attorney General was a man named Mitchell Palmer. And after the raids and the subsequent like fallout from it, they couldn't really prosecute too many people. Palmer resigned specifically because of how bad the raids were. But then Hoover kind of skated by, even though he was the one that actually like did them. They were at the direction of Palmer, but Hoover was like, yeah, let's round up these commies. And then in 1921, Hoover got named assistant Director of the Bureau. And then Calvin Coolidge later appointed Herbert Hoover as Director of the Bureau of Intelligence. Now one of the things that they say that, that Hoover really dropped the ball on was investigating the Mafia, La Cosa Nostra, because he actually said that the Mafia did not exist.

[Big T]

I like that. That's a big take of mine, that they don't exist. I'm, I'm coming around to it a little more. But yeah, I'm a big. I just, I don't know something about

[Big Cat]

it that they never existed or that

[Big T]

they don't exist more so currently.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so it was a problem.

[Big T]

I think at some point there was some iteration of what you would call the Mafia.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And right now you don't think that that's an issue at all?

[Big T]

I don't see it.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Big T]

There is a guy on TikTok who claims he was in the Mafia, but he talks about all the people he killed and stuff. And I'm like, why are you not in prison?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Also, he shouldn't be saying that on Tick Tock.

[Big T]

Yeah. I think he became.

[Arian Foster]

Wait, so, so like, like the drug trafficking business is like a billion dollar business. Like it's run by people that are in the Mafia. A lot of them. You don't think they exist.

[Big T]

When you say the Mafia, like, there's.

[Arian Foster]

It's not one. Like. Like. Like a Mafia is just like a. A family or an organization that has a business around drug trafficking.

[Big T]

Yeah. I think there are certainly groups of criminals that are engaged in organized criminal activities.

[Arian Foster]

I think we romanticize it in movies. And I think you're thinking more somewhat.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Arian Foster]

Gotcha.

[Big Cat]

I think he's thinking Italian.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. I don't think maybe Italian Drug trafficking is probably minimal.

[Big T]

Yeah. That's all.

[Arian Foster]

I don't even understand that. Maybe they are, but I don't know. But there's definitely families that are in that shit. But, yo, sure, that's how you get the bump. That's how you get the blow. You know me.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. The Italians, right? You could question if their power was taken away, because I think that they were a much bigger force. But actually, let me. Let me rephrase. After reading about the initial raid where. Where the FBI started to investigate the Mafia, it. It raises a lot of questions. So J. Edgar Hoover, he said that the. The Mafia didn't exist. People be like, you know, talking about organized crime in America, the Italian mob. And he was like, that's is. None of this is true. You guys are having a fever dream. Let's focus on the communists. Let's. Let's arrest more of them. They're the problem. But then 1957 came around, and in November 1957, there was a famous raid in Appalachian, which is near Binghamton, New York. Mackenzie, are you familiar with Appalachian?

[Mad Dog]

Yes.

[Arian Foster]

How.

[Big Cat]

How big of a town is that?

[Mad Dog]

I don't think it's that big.

[Big Cat]

Do you know anything about the raid that happened there?

[Mad Dog]

I do not.

[Big T]

Well, first of all, that's stolen valor. They should have to rename the name of that town.

[Big Cat]

But I agree.

[Arian Foster]

I agree.

[Big Cat]

It's upstate New York. It's Poconos.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

It's not Appalachian.

[Big T]

My culture is not your custom.

[Big Cat]

Correct. So there was a guy up there that lived in Appalachian named Joseph Barbera, and he was a beverage distributor. And he was also somewhat of a. He was known to law enforcement, put it that way. He had a meeting at his house with about 60 people that came by. Some would call that a party,

[Arian Foster]

but

[Big Cat]

he had a lot of people over his house in this tiny town in Appalachian. And there was a local police sergeant named Edgar Croswell that overheard this guy, Barbera's son, trying to book rooms at a hotel nearby, calling, like, for a lot of rooms, and Croswell Was like, what's this guy up to? I know that he's like, he's a criminal. Why is he having this many people here? So he called up his boss and he's like, I need reinforcements and let's set up a barricade. Because I'm seeing that there's a lot of. A lot of out of state license plates that are meeting at this house. So they set up a. A series of barricades outside of his house. And they arrested about 60 people that said that they were in the. Or that would later be claimed to be in the Mafia. They were heads of families and they were known to their own local law enforcement situations. And they're all meeting together at this one house. And then that made the Department of Justice and the FBI revise the. Their entire way of operating. And they started to arrest a lot of Italian criminals after that. So you, you be the judge. Is that evidence of a Mafia having a big party?

[Big T]

I guess we'll see.

[Big Cat]

With 60 Italians at it. Is that a crime? The crime was having 60 Italians from different states in at the same location. How many Italians is too much?

[Big T]

You tell me. What is the number? I don't.

[Big Cat]

They. It's obviously a conversation that somebody had to have.

[Big T]

60, we all agree that's a crime. 60 Italians too many is 50.

[Arian Foster]

That's actually hilarious.

[Big Cat]

40 if they're from the same state, I'm okay with 60 Italians. But if we're doing out of state plates, there's something going on. And I'm part. I can say this. I'm part Italian.

[Big T]

Sure.

[Big Cat]

1% Sicilian.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

But honestly, this is. It's pretty crazy that this is what it was that made them be like, yeah, the mob is real. Like it was one party that they had.

[Big T]

It's a lot of it says the

[Mad Dog]

population there is 2000.

[Big Cat]

The population of Appalachian.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So it's a very small town.

[Mad Dog]

Very small. I used to drive through it when I'd go to college. It was on my way.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So the FBI's New York Field office was put under a microscope because they should have been investigating the activities at the Appalachian estate. So they had 400 special agents at the FBI that were assigned to trying to find subversives, meaning communists, anarchists, things like that. And they had four that were in charge of investigating organized crime. Four. So before 1950s, almost every single file that. That J. Edgar Hoover collected was about communists. And then after that, there were some that were on criminals and gangsters. But they ended up having files on 25 million people. Over the course of J. Edgar Hoover's career and before this raid, just about zero of them were about criminals, gangsters, things like that. They were all about communists. He saw communists as being the number one threat to America. It was, you know, after World War II, it was the Cold War. So he thought that that was priority number one. But then when they found this evidence of the mob going on, Hoover was like, let's do a anti mob task force. And so he created the Top Hoodlum program, which is pretty, that's pretty cool, right? The Top Hoodlum program. We can agree that's an awesome name for a program. And he used that to like track the top 10. He would put wiretaps and the mafia fought back a little bit. And the Mafia, a lot of people think that the Mafia and Hoover had a relationship before, beforehand, and it was only until, you know, the, the giant meeting that made him take something, you know, take notice of it. But a lot of people think that the Mafia was blackmailing Hoover beforehand or at least bribing him by means of illicit photographs. And that's why Hoover did not go after the Mafia until he had to. So we can, we can talk about some of the speculation of what those photographs might have been and why Hoover would have not paid attention to like a massive group of organized criminals operating right under his nose. But he was, he was suspected of being a deeply closeted gay man for his entire life to the point where when he died, he confirmed bachelor his entire life when he died as a federal agent. They fold up the flag and they typically hand that flag to your widow. In this case, they folded up the flag and they handed it to his, his longtime best friend. What if your drive was fueled with more like, more protection for more time on the road? Shelby Power Nitro plus provides more protection for longer lasting engines. So it helps you keep your engine running like new for whatever drive is ahead. Shelby Power nitrogen Nitro plus engine performance that lasts compared to minimum detergent gasoline with continuous use of Shelby Power Nitro plus and gasoline direct injection engines. Actual effects and benefits may vary. See Shell us more protection for more information. His. His handsome, longtime best friend that was also a loyal lieutenant in his FBI. They worked together their entire life. His name was Clyde Tolson. So Clyde Tolson was the deputy? He was, yeah. He was regarded as being commonly accepted to be J. Edgar Hoover's longtime boyfriend. I, I don't know that they lived together for their entire lives off and on, but they would, they would eat dinner together every night. They would hang out all the time. And the speculation is that the mob might have had some, some photographs of Jagger and an old Clyde. And then there was also the cross dressing rumors.

[Big T]

So would you rather live your life now or be like a top mob guy in the 50s?

[Big Cat]

Ooh, top mob guy in the 50s sounds pretty good.

[Big T]

You get killed at 64 and die

[Big Cat]

with my shoes on.

[Big T]

I don't know what that means.

[Big Cat]

Okay, not in the face.

[Big T]

Would you?

[Big Cat]

I want to have an open casket for my family.

[Big T]

So if they're going to kill you, what would you want to happen to you?

[Big Cat]

Do I see it coming?

[Big T]

Yeah, you're executed.

[Big Cat]

Okay, but again, shot in like, the chest.

[Big T]

Why would you want that? That's worse.

[Big Cat]

Open casket for the family.

[Big T]

You're gonna get your chest blown open and then have an open casket?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So the, the wife, the kids, the

[Arian Foster]

guma

[Big Cat]

come by, pay the, pay their respects.

[Big T]

All right. You can get killed however you want.

[Big Cat]

Oh, no, no, it wasn't guma. You don't know.

[Arian Foster]

Gumar.

[Big Cat]

Gamar is the girlfriend. That's a girlfriend, huh? That's the girl. That's the girlfriend. Yeah. If you watch like, like Goodfellas or the Sopranos, they're like, I think it's in Goodfellas where it's like, Fridays are for the gumar, Saturdays for the wife, Sundays for the family, for the kids. That was like, that was like the rule back in the day.

[Big T]

The original Saturdays are for the boys.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was. No, I, I don't. I got a pretty good life right

[Arian Foster]

now, Big T. Yeah, you do.

[Big Cat]

I, I don't know if the peanut, but being a gangster in the 50s is probably pretty sweet.

[Arian Foster]

That sucked, bro. What are you talking about?

[Big Cat]

If you were top gangster dog, man,

[Arian Foster]

no jeep, no gps, that's the first

[Big T]

thing you go to.

[Arian Foster]

Absolutely, bro. The funnest you could do in the 50s is torture nowadays, but you didn't

[Mad Dog]

know it existed, so.

[Arian Foster]

But you do.

[Mad Dog]

True.

[Big T]

Yeah, they had golf

[Arian Foster]

trash. That was trash back then. The balls weren't going as far.

[Big T]

The courses weren't about to not go as far either.

[Big Cat]

You had to hit with black people

[Arian Foster]

weren't allowed to go on the courses. Big T, back.

[Big T]

Fair enough.

[Mad Dog]

Oh, back.

[Big Cat]

What a good movie, right? There's nothing I want to do in

[Arian Foster]

the 50s, you know, this era is there? I want to be in. And honestly, it might be the best era of all time because it's going to happen after we go. It's going to be fucking stupid. It might be stupid. This AI shit's Pretty stupid.

[Big T]

What if we're living in the last like, real. Like we. I don't know how to phrase this. In 20 years, everything just might be fake. Like you might just do everything

[Arian Foster]

surrogate.

[Big T]

Yeah, there won't. You won't even have like a real life.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, you might have. You might have your consciousness uploaded to a. A Tesla bot. And he goes out and does shit for you, Wally. And you just sit in your room getting biggest shit.

[Big T]

What if we live through the last like time of people living their lives fully autonomous?

[Arian Foster]

Could be. Man, you seen Wally?

[Big T]

Yeah, of course.

[Arian Foster]

Could be like Wally, bro. We just hovering around on our little moped hoverboards watching our screens. Eva.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I don't.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

What would your day be like in the 1950s if you were top hoodlum trash? You wake up, probably have a. Like, what town are we living in here? Big T. New York or Vegas?

[Big T]

No, Northeast for sure.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so Jersey.

[Big T]

New York. Yeah, let's say Jersey City.

[Big Cat]

Okay, Jersey City. I wake up in the morning, probably not in that big of a house. Right? Probably like.

[Big T]

Oh, let's say you're out in Jersey a little bit.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

All right. You gotta put a suit on.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Put my suit on. Yeah.

[Big T]

I think I have a sick suit.

[Big Cat]

I wear my suit before breakfast even.

[Arian Foster]

That's the one thing this era doesn't do. We don't dress up anymore. Like we do comfort. Back then, like, everybody dressed up. Everybody had like, there was a, like public decorum, like public fashion decorum. We don't have that no more, bro.

[Big T]

People went to baseball games in suits 50 years ago.

[Arian Foster]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, got to dress up or get on flights.

[Big T]

I would like to see the. The flight. The airport has gotten a little too out of control.

[Mad Dog]

In case Sha Duffy.

[Arian Foster]

Who? Shuff.

[Mad Dog]

What does it matter to anyone, Secretary of Transportation, that wants to put pull up bars in airports?

[Big T]

I don't know about all that. You just can't wear pajamas.

[Big Cat]

I have no problem with pajamas.

[Mad Dog]

Who cares?

[Arian Foster]

Gotta be comfortable on a long ass. Flight B. Yeah.

[Big T]

Wear a pair of sweatpants.

[Big Cat]

But I, I think some people are saying.

[Big T]

I'm talking about like Cookie monster pajama pants.

[Arian Foster]

I love that.

[Mad Dog]

Often. Are you actually seeing that? I've never.

[Big T]

Almost every time.

[Mad Dog]

Ten years. No way.

[Big T]

I'll. I'll take a picture on Friday.

[Big Cat]

I never once thought that that was a problem until I was recently told that I should have a problem with pajamas on airplanes.

[Mad Dog]

Right.

[Big Cat]

It never told you. I think you might have told me that it's impossible.

[Big T]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

It.

[Arian Foster]

I haven't wore shoes on a plane in 10 years.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so wait. All right, so wait. You do. When you get on the plane, do you have shoes, Slides. Okay.

[Mad Dog]

Socks or.

[Arian Foster]

No. Yeah, always with socks.

[Big Cat]

Okay, that's fine.

[Mad Dog]

If you said no, I gotta.

[Big Cat]

I thought you were saying, like, you got on a plane.

[Arian Foster]

I look like a no socks kind of guy. Is that. That the vibe I give off?

[Big Cat]

I thought you were saying you get on the plane and you take your shoes off.

[Mad Dog]

Same.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, no, I just haven't worn shoes.

[Big Cat]

Okay, Well, I mean, like, closed. Yeah, his.

[Big T]

He kind of does have his shoes off.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, true. Absolutely.

[Big T]

If you're just wearing slides, I mean.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. And then I slide them underneath the thing. Absolutely.

[Big T]

Oh, so you. You take even the slides off?

[Arian Foster]

Absolutely. Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

So when we were talking about having your shoes off on a plane the other day, you didn't feel compelled to speak up?

[Arian Foster]

Well, I mean, I didn't feel like you were talking about me.

[Big T]

I didn't know I was.

[Arian Foster]

Because if my. Because if my slides is on, there's not much difference if they off.

[Big T]

I know. I agree with you.

[Mad Dog]

That's what we're saying.

[Arian Foster]

So, yeah, I'm a shoes off on the plane guy. I am the culprit.

[Big T]

That's a little nuts.

[Arian Foster]

Shoes off on a plane.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog]

Annika does it. She always posts about it.

[Big Cat]

I don't like that.

[Arian Foster]

Like, I don't got my feet all, like, in people's faces. You know what I'm saying? What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

Well, yeah, but for people that do take their shoes off on a plane, it's not that they're in your face, it's that they're in the vicinity. Your feet probably smell.

[Arian Foster]

My feet don't smell dog. What do you mean?

[Big Cat]

Well, not if you have slides on all day. I agree they're getting air, a constant airflow. But if you got.

[Arian Foster]

99 times out of a hundred, I'm coming from my house to the airport, fresh out the shower, new socks on, brand new socks.

[Big Cat]

Brand new socks. You put on a brand new pair of socks every time you fly.

[Arian Foster]

I'm kind of anal about socks, though. Like, I got a lot of socks.

[Big Cat]

I think that the vast majority of people. I. I do have a lot of socks, too. I. Aaron, you're probably. You're talking number one. When I signed my extension at Barstool Sports, the very first thing that I did, I went across the street to like TJ Maxx or whatever it was. And I came back with like 70 pairs of fresh socks.

[Big T]

Well, that's not what you're buying, so.

[Big Cat]

And then I, Then I laid down, I put them on my bed like it was the cash and breaking bad. I just laid down on brand new socks because that's all I ever wanted.

[Arian Foster]

Made a. Made a sock angel. I love it.

[Big Cat]

All I ever wanted was enough money to just wear. Just. Just constantly refresh my socks. Like once, maybe twice a year. All new socks.

[Arian Foster]

I'm with you. I'm a sock guy. I. I got fresh socks. A lot of the times I got new socks. It's rare that I don't got like fresh socks on. And like, I'm. I don't have any kind of like,

[Big T]

hoarder

[Arian Foster]

feelings with them. I depart. I don't need them. Yeah, if they, if they, if. If they've out worn, they welcome, like it's, it's time to go.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

New socks. So I'll be fresh on the plane.

[Big Cat]

All right. You might be fresh on the plane. A lot of people aren't when they take their shoes off, though.

[Arian Foster]

It's fair, dog. It's dusty. You know what I mean? Yeah. If you, if you, if you have questionable socks, that's dusty characteristics and you gotta like, grow up a little bit.

[Mad Dog]

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[Big Cat]

Yep, I agree. But yeah, if I was a head of the mafia back in the 50s, wake up, have breakfast. Somebody comes in. As you read the paper, you read, you know, someone walks in, they tell me about some issue I gotta take care of. Then I have somebody go out and take care of that issue.

[Arian Foster]

Yo, Tommy at the deli didn't pay his due diligence.

[Big Cat]

I told him, I told him I'm done talking.

[Big T]

Yeah, and that's the thing. You got lieutenants like, you don't have to do all this shit.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it feels like also, if I'm the head of the mafia, here's the thing. Head of the mafia back in the day, a lot of decisions you got to make sure, like, heavy is the head that wears the crown. I don't know that it would really be that fun.

[Arian Foster]

What's the fun shit you gonna do though, you know what I'm saying? Okay. Go to a Yankee game maybe.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, like.

[Big T]

Oh, that. You got good seats.

[Big Cat]

What do you do that's just like full on. You're off the clock having fun.

[Arian Foster]

Are you like a. Like a skating rink? I don't know.

[Mad Dog]

Do they play like poker or like cards?

[Big T]

Yeah, almost certainly.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Play some cards. I. So I. I guess my final answer, Big T, is I'd rather be meeting right now.

[Big T]

Yeah. What? Well, I don't know if you want to put a number on it. What? At what income threshold now would you have to be before you'd rather.

[Arian Foster]

That's wild.

[Big T]

Like, would you rather be making.

[Big Cat]

If I was making like $25,000 a year right now.

[Big T]

Right.

[Big Cat]

Or be the head of the mafia in the 50s? Yeah, probably head of the mafia in the 50s,

[Big T]

I think.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Get ahead of the mafia in the 50s. How much do you think you're pulling in then? Like in today's cash?

[Big T]

I mean, I. I don't know

[Big Cat]

because remember this is before they got like into drugs. Drugs. Were you do drugs?

[Big T]

What were they doing?

[Big Cat]

I have to say goodbye. What were they making money making money on, like local gambling.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Big Cat]

Running numbers.

[Arian Foster]

But they was always into drugs.

[Big Cat]

No, no, no. They didn't like drugs at all. The old school guys, they thought that associating with drugs meant that you would then bring in like unsavory, untrustworthy criminals.

[Arian Foster]

Huh? Yeah. Not up on my mafia law.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So in today's money, if they weren't doing drugs, top guys were probably making.

[Big Cat]

There's gambling things fall off a truck that you can then sell. 300 in today's money.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

300, 000.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

For the top guy. No, I think way more than that.

[Big T]

Way more.

[Big Cat]

I think way more.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Million, I think. I think you were probably making like top guys. Three to five million a year?

[Mad Dog]

No.

[Big Cat]

Adjusted for inflation.

[Big T]

No.

[Big Cat]

I think so. Yeah.

[Big T]

That's a lot.

[Big Cat]

We can look it up.

[Big T]

I don't know that there's reliable.

[Arian Foster]

You kind of did that in the 50s. You'd have to go to a library. Yeah, true. And then you want to go to the Dewey decibel system.

[Big T]

Say that one more time.

[Arian Foster]

Dewey decimal I it. Okay.

[Big Cat]

Did you know that you can get. You can request your FBI files?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Really? Yeah.

[Big Cat]

You can see if. If the FBI has a file on you.

[Mad Dog]

How do you.

[Big Cat]

How do you do that? I think the FBI website.

[Big T]

Should we all do that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, we should do that. Calm you. You can just Google it and be like, how do I get access to my FBI files? And it's. It's a process. I don't think it's immediate.

[Big T]

Oh, I'm in.

[Big Cat]

You're in. You've hacked in the mainframe?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

I love that shit.

[Mad Dog]

Is it just a. Is it a FOIA request?

[Big T]

It's an E. Foipa. It's. It's some offshoot of foia. Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

You can find your FBI file by submitting a Freedom of Information slash Privacy act request online by mail or via email.

[Mad Dog]

I'm on the FBI vault, which I don't know how. It's a government website. I searched my name. I was kidnapped 22 times.

[Big Cat]

What?

[Mad Dog]

Yeah, in different varieties.

[Big Cat]

There have been 22 Madeline Conroys that have been kidnapped.

[Mad Dog]

It says. Actually, I don't know if it's 22. There's 22 results of me, and all of them are from before I was born, but it's. Most of them are massacres, kidnappings

[Arian Foster]

and.

[Mad Dog]

Yeah, massacres and kidnapping. The Bremer kidnapping, whatever that is.

[Big Cat]

That's kind of crazy.

[Mad Dog]

Poor girl.

[Big T]

I'm signing up right now,

[Mad Dog]

and FOIA logs from 1980 through 1999. I wonder if that has anything to do with me being born.

[Big Cat]

Can you look up Aryan's name?

[Mad Dog]

Arian Foster.

[Big Cat]

I bet you it's people like, at the FBI doing fancy football drafts, like on an email thread. I guarantee you there's somebody that's talking

[Mad Dog]

about that on my end. I see. I see little to do. There's a foil log in 2016, But it's. I can't.

[Arian Foster]

That's when we. That's when we took a knee.

[Big Cat]

That could be that interesting. Actually, probably, yeah.

[Arian Foster]

I probably tracked who was the head

[Big Cat]

of the FBI then.

[Mad Dog]

I'll tell you.

[Arian Foster]

Was it call me, Wasn't it?

[Big Cat]

Was that Comey? They got him for you, Aaron. They finally got him.

[Mad Dog]

Is he.

[Big Cat]

They nailed that son of a bitch, James Comey.

[Mad Dog]

He in trouble right now?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, kind of. Yeah. He indicted for.

[Arian Foster]

Indicted.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so he. The indictment is for threatening to kill or physically harm the President of the United States.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, he can get like half the country with that shit right now.

[Mad Dog]

Oh, he got indicted again yesterday.

[Big Cat]

He made a post, I believe, on Instagram, the 8647 out of seashells. That's at the beach. That said 8647.

[Mad Dog]

Got it. I saw Cash Patel's clip about that.

[Big Cat]

So unquestionably that meant that he wanted to kill Donald Trump. That's What?

[Mad Dog]

The seashell.

[Big Cat]

That's what the Department of Justice, like, Comey is just an emotional, messy poster. The fact that he made it out of seashells is very funny to me. It's, like, so solemn, and he thinks. He thinks he's being poetic. Comey definitely spends, like, six hours in a field every day writing poetry about his best arrests that he's ever had.

[Mad Dog]

Also, I just. I'm on the FBI's, like, list of previous FBI directors. Robert Mueller took office as the FBI director exactly one week before 9 11. What a. What bad timing.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. That's tough.

[Mad Dog]

Your first week on the job. 911 happens.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's bad.

[Mad Dog]

And you're the FBI director.

[Arian Foster]

Like, they had intelligence before that, though, didn't. Oh, yeah, they kind of.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah. If you're like, one week on the job, that's. I don't think anybody was like, it's Mueller's fault. No, you're still, like, you're getting the keys to various offices at that point also.

[Mad Dog]

What a chin on that guy.

[Big Cat]

Big chin. Yeah. Huge chin, but yeah.

[Mad Dog]

That's a tough start to the job.

[Big Cat]

I gotta track down my. My FBI file, see if I have one.

[Arian Foster]

Gotta do that. Don't put my assistant on it, because I went to their website and that looks like a homework assignment. I'm off it.

[Big Cat]

You put your assistant on it?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. I'm going to say, I need you to get my FBI files, please.

[Big Cat]

And your assistant will do that.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Would that include, like, you know how in the Epstein files and all that, there's just emails of, like, just random people? Would this include, like, if. If Comey had Aryan on his fantasy football team and he said something about it, would that be in there?

[Big Cat]

I think so.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like, that might be different. That might be because I know that a lot of people have files on them, and Hoover started that at the FBI, just like, personally investigating and keeping files on specific Americans that he suspected of being anti American. I think accessing those is different from a general Freedom of Information act request, which would be. I would like to see every email, that internal email at the FBI that included the name Arian Foster.

[Big T]

So that's probably what we want.

[Big Cat]

I would like to see that too. Yeah, I'd like to see both. I. Because I. For Aryan, it's. The chances of him having an FBI file are not zero for the kneeling thing, because that is something that, like, Hoover would have done. Obviously, like, Comey's a little bit different than. Than Hoover, but for a Long time. Hoover kept files on. On anyone that showed any semblance of anti American activity. And that's what they said Aryan was doing. And Kaepernick, when they took knees, like they were saying anti America, he phrased that.

[Arian Foster]

I like the way you phrase that. That's what they said.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah. The accusation was that you hate America.

[Arian Foster]

Absolutely.

[Big Cat]

Which is why they would have kept the file on you.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, I want to know. I'll. I'll report back when I get my file.

[Big Cat]

So he kept. He kept a list. Hoover kept a list of subversives. Here's some names on that list. There's one that's just. I'm gonna save it for last, okay? But these are the. The following people were on his list of potential American subversives. Marilyn Monroe, Muhammad Ali, Eleanor Roosevelt. That's the first lady. Jackie Robinson, John Lewis, mlk. Walt Disney, Charlie Chaplin, the Monkees, Lucille Ball, Rock Hudson, Truman Capote, John Lennon, Yoko Ono, Gene Seberg. I mean, Eleanor Roosevelt being on there is kind of wild. Like the first lady.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah, like you kind of like, hey, yo, I don't know about this dude's

[Big Cat]

wife, but he also was.

[Arian Foster]

So I was just reading this thing real quick. Anthony Summers in 1993 described Hoover as a bisexual with failed heterosexuality.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Arian Foster]

Maybe just had something against women.

[Big Cat]

He might have. Yeah. John Denver was on the list. Abbott and Costello.

[Big T]

I'm personally offended by that.

[Big Cat]

Which one? Costello.

[Arian Foster]

Abbott and Costello.

[Big T]

I mean, those are two. All American or the Baseball hall of Fame.

[Big Cat]

Costello, probably because he was Italian. Abbott. What's Abbott doing on this list?

[Big T]

Yeah, what's on second?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, what's on second? I don't know. Place third. Right.

[Big T]

I forget. Can you.

[Big Cat]

Can you do the lineup?

[Mad Dog]

I don't know. Third base.

[Big T]

Who's on first? What's on second?

[Mad Dog]

I don't know.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Is today and tomorrow. Are they on the team or.

[Big T]

They may be.

[Big Cat]

Pitcher?

[Big T]

I think so.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I'd have to go back and look.

[Big Cat]

All timer, look up that lineup. Look at that lineup. I got who on my fantasy team.

[Mad Dog]

Okay. Do you want the whole thing?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Mad Dog]

First base.

[Arian Foster]

Who?

[Mad Dog]

Second base. What? Third base. I don't know. Short stuff. Short stuff. I don't give a damn. Left field. Why center field? Because right field. Unnamed in the routine. Pitcher tomorrow, catcher today.

[Big Cat]

So they didn't even talk about right field?

[Mad Dog]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

That's kind of a big. That's an oversight on Abbott Castello's part. Did they do anything else besides who's on first?

[Big T]

That's the only thing I Know of them.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, but it was a banger.

[Big T]

They're in the Baseball hall of Fame because of it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it was a banger. Aaron, you familiar with that?

[Arian Foster]

No.

[Big T]

You don't know who's on first?

[Arian Foster]

I am not. What is that?

[Big T]

Must watch.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, go, go watch who's on first.

[Big T]

I don't know that there's any really comedy from the 1940s that could make me laugh, but this, other than who's on first, it's still hilarious.

[Big Cat]

I haven't watched it in years. Years.

[Arian Foster]

Why? Because nobody. I don't know. I don't give a darn what who.

[Big T]

No, you got to watch it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, watch it later. Watch it later.

[Arian Foster]

Okay. Yeah, I'll watch it, guys.

[Big Cat]

But then other names on that list. Aretha Franklin was on there. And then the one that I left off and wanted to save to the end. I. No idea. But on the list of his subversives, Anti American subversives, was also Helen Keller.

[Arian Foster]

Hell, yeah.

[Big Cat]

I mean.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. You never know with her dog.

[Big Cat]

What's she hiding?

[Big T]

Have we done an episode on Helen Keller?

[Big Cat]

I don't know that we have.

[Big T]

I don't.

[Big Cat]

I don't think we have the. The. We need to Helen Keller the perfect cover story.

[Mad Dog]

I don't think we have.

[Big T]

Because that shit's fake as hell.

[Mad Dog]

No, we have not.

[Big T]

That's next week.

[Arian Foster]

All right, Next week. We. Helen Keller in it up.

[Big Cat]

But J. Edgar Hoover thought that she needed to be monitored, I guess. I don't know. I can't imagine why.

[Big T]

I like that. Because something was up.

[Big Cat]

Keep an eye that.

[Big T]

There's no way the. The whole. Helen. We'll do this next week. I'm. I'm excited.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. That's wild. She was a wild story.

[Big Cat]

She was on the f. She was on an FBI watch list because she was a. I guess she was a communist or a socialist, but she. That's what the FBI said. She was an activist that would raise awareness and kind of like try to help people that were blind, help other people that were blind and. And let people know, like, we need to put more thought and care into public facilities for blind people, which I think is probably a very good thing that we hadn't thought much about until then.

[Arian Foster]

And he ain't with that.

[Big Cat]

And he was like, this sounds like. Sounds like socialism to me.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

And I think.

[Arian Foster]

I don't know.

[Big Cat]

We can. We can talk more about Helen Keller. There's a lot of different reasons why people can be blind. This is. I'm all speculating here. A lot of different reasons why people can be blind. One would be like, congenital. They're born and they can't see. One would be like, you know, something happens to him as a kid. Another would be like, if they work in an unsafe work environment and they're blinded by machinery or chemicals. And if you start lobbying for people in their workplace too hard, especially back in Helen Keller's day, that's starting to sound a lot like communism.

[Arian Foster]

Like the union.

[Big Cat]

The union conversation. Well, with unions here, that, that might be a reason why. But, yeah, he, he, he had a file on Helen Keller. I, I hope that he was getting constant updates on, like, what she did today. I mean, Helen Keller, the fact that she will get into Helen Keller. I'm glad that Big T is a. Is a truther.

[Big T]

I feel strongly about Helen Keller.

[Big Cat]

Okay. People also think that Hoover might have been part of the JFK assassination.

[Arian Foster]

Oh, yeah. Really?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So when Kennedy got shot, LBJ became president and Hoover was boys with lbj. And Hoover was supposed to retire when. The day that he turned 70. But the fact that he was friends with LBJ meant that LBJ could give him an exemption and let him stick around for additional, like, nine years until he died. There was also the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald dropped off a note with the FBI. He dropped it off in Dallas 10 days before the shooting of JFK. And the note that he dropped off was for a guy named James Hostie. And then Hostie destroyed that note the day that Oswald was shot to destroy that evidence. And then he acknowledged that there was a note in 1975. And he said it was a note from Lee Harvey Oswald to this guy to stop harassing my wife. But he destroyed it because it looked bad that the FBI had received some sort of communication from the assassin ten days before the assassin shot Kennedy. Sounds kind of fishy to me.

[Arian Foster]

Interesting.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

They.

[Big Cat]

A lot of people say that Hoover knew about the different plots to shoot Kennedy. People also think that Oswald might have been an FBI informant and the FBI told him to kill Kennedy. And the other scenario is that Oswald told the FBI that there were plots to kill Kennedy and then Jack Ruby was an FBI informant, and then Jack Ruby killed Oswald after the fact to cover up at the request of the FBI. So the, the idea that he was a crossdresser or transvestite comes from one source.

[Arian Foster]

Like trans. Transvestite.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Like dress up in, like, a man who dresses as a woman.

[Arian Foster]

I thought a transvestite was somebody who has both parts.

[Mad Dog]

That's intersex.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. Really?

[Big Cat]

Or hermaphrodite. You might be thinking hermaphrodite.

[Arian Foster]

Hermaphrodite, yeah.

[Big Cat]

Transvestite. You have, you don't really hear about trans, you don't really hear about transvestite that much anymore. Back in like the 90s and 2000s it was like, yeah, if you cross dressing person, transvestite. But there are rumors that, that Hoover like to get dressed up as a woman, especially at parties, like get dressed up in full drag, wearing like heels, stockings, dresses, makeup, wig, that whole thing that all affirming that comes from the, from a report from one person. So there was, there was one person, she was a society divorcee, a socialite from Washington D.C. named Susan Rosenstiel.

[Arian Foster]

What a name.

[Big Cat]

And I believe she was also a convicted perjurer. Perjurist. She, she committed perjury. Okay, so she's like a convicted liar.

[Big T]

Perjurite.

[Big Cat]

Perjurite. Oh, I'm making a socialite perjury.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

So who knows if that part's true. But she said that she was at a party at The Plaza Hotel, 1958, and Hoover showed up wearing a fluffy black dress with flounces and lace stockings and high heels and a black curly wig, wearing false eyelashes, a short skirt. He was sitting there in the living room of the suite with his legs crossed. Roy Cohn introduced him to me as Mary. And he replied, good evening. You never see anything like it. I couldn't believe it that I should see the head of the FBI dressed as a woman. So this woman is the only source and she is, as I said, she perjured herself in an unrelated case in 1970s and then she became the subject of an FBI investigation because of her husband's bootleg or bootlegging connections. But there are some connections to, to Roy Cohn and J. Edgar Hoover. Roy cone is the lawyer. He was the chief Counsel of Joseph McCarthy McCarthy during the, the communist witch hunts of the 1950s. He was also the guy that like gave Donald Trump his start in New York politics and his like fixer, his advice guy like super connected lawyer in New York. Probably the most feared lawyer in the history of New York. And he was boys with, with J. Edgar Hoover. Roy Cohn was also a gay man that denied he was gay. And he died in 1986 of AIDS saying that it wasn't AIDS. And he would, he would hang out and party quite a bit with J. Edgar Hoover. So I don't know, you make the call on that one. He might, he might have gotten dressed up at a couple parties, but the fact that this one lady said it, it followed him around for the rest of his life. And that's where, like, everybody gets the idea that he was, like, a constant cross dresser comes from. So that part might not have been true, but he did live with his mom until he was 40. And he had a very handsome deputy Clyde Tolson, that probably dated until they both died.

[Big T]

Was he living with his mom when he was head of the FBI?

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Big T]

That's fascinating.

[Big Cat]

I see. You know how we were talking about, like, our ideal head of the FBI last week and, like, what we would. Instead of a guy like Cash Patel, cool guy, I'm sure. I'd like to watch a hockey game with Cash, maybe, like, go out to

[Mad Dog]

a few bars, maybe go to his girlfriend's concert.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, check out his girlfriend's concert. Do I want this guy, like, working in the FBI, let alone heading it? No. Like, I don't want any of my friends. I can't name a single person that I know that I would want to head the FBI. So not necessarily, like a knock against you as a person, but we were talking about, like, our ideal FBI director the other week, where it's like, a guy that he goes home, he eats the same dinner every night at, like, 9:00pm, 9:00pm, 8, 9:00pm because he works all day, dude. Okay, yeah, he's taking late, he's taking meetings late. He's a work hall.

[Arian Foster]

You want a psychopath, you want man on fire? You want a psychopath at the head?

[Big Cat]

I want a guy that is no nonsense. Cash is like 90% nonsense. Maybe more. And nonsense is great in certain regards not to head the FBI, but are

[Big T]

you saying that living with your mom at 40 is something you would want or not want?

[Big Cat]

I think I would probably be okay with. Yeah.

[Big T]

Interesting.

[Big Cat]

You never had time to, like, get your own place. Like, work. Work becomes your spouse. You know, she's always like, go out, meet a nice girl, say, mother, I'm too busy with my cases. But he takes good care of her. He takes good care of his mom. That's like his number one thing. She's actually the one that's, like, trying to drag him out of the house on a Saturday to go, like, play bingo. And he's like, I can't. I gotta solve this kidnapping.

[Arian Foster]

Go on with this tomfoolery. Mom.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I'll pick you up, Mother. Just give me a call. So he, yeah, he drops her off at bingo, then he just goes right to the office, picks her up later, goes home, has his one nice glass of scotch, maybe on a Saturday and that's it. That's the nonsense that I want for my FBI director. So I'm. I'm not going to hold it against Jake or Hoover, the fact that he lived at home until he was 40, which is. That's a long time to live at home, now that I think about it.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So he was. Yeah, he kept files on everybody, as I said. Had his own very special vendettas against everyone who's power hungry. But the. The FBI as we know it exists pretty much in the image that he set forth for it. So he built the FBI from the ground up. So everything about it that is directly, like, from his brain, the use of informants, the use of wiretaps, like, he. When he wiretapped mlk, that was probably against the law. Definitely against the law. And he would wire. He wiretapped JFK's bedroom. He had his intelligence chief put a microphone in JFK, or, sorry, MLK's bedroom. And then after that, he sent the. He sent MLK a recording of him having sex. Just being like, hey, you should probably kill yourself because we caught you having sex.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah. No, they actually sent a letter to him saying, like, you should. You should kill yourself. Yeah, he was, like, upset. He called Martin Luther King, like, the greatest threat to American. Yep. The American way. Like, yo, he was. He was obsessed with black liberation movements. Got Fred Hampton killed. Wanted to. Wanted to disrupt the Black Panthers. And so the Black Panthers were known for. You'll hear some dingbats still say to this day that the Black Panthers were a terrorist organization. But, like, literally all they did was, like, they had free breakfast programs. So they were giving people free breakfast and free health care in the neighborhoods that they was in. And when reported back to him that that's what they were doing, he was like, I don't care. Yeah, do that. Yeah, he just wanted to disband it.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

Because Black Panthers were communist, though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, He. He did say that the. It was. He saw the civil rights movement and anti war movement as going hand in hand. And so if you support one, he supported the other, and you were a communist. And he called the Civil rights movement the greatest threat to the stability of the American government since the Civil War. They're enemies of the state. In particular, MLK Jr was an enemy of the state. And he. He went to Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy and told them, like, hey, this MLK guy, he's bad news. He's a communist, and they're using you. So if you. If you like MLK and you endorse MLK and what he stands for. They're actually secretly going to bring in a bunch of communists behind that and they're going to infect the United States with, with communism. So you better stop hanging out with them. I'm going to wiretap him. And he said that he sent his guy, Mr. Weiner to go wiretap the bedrooms. And Wiener said when it came down to bugging bedrooms, you had to be careful not to get caught. But there wasn't anything to stop him. He decided up to a point where the boundaries of the law were when it came to black bag jobs, break ins, bugging, surveillance and the constitutionality of getting secret intelligence on America's enemies, both real and imagined. And the FBI also, this is where it gets kind of crazy. They also bugged JFK and taped him having sex. And if you got information about that, you're never going to get fired. So he had blackmail like on his boss.

[Arian Foster]

That's wild.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Arian Foster]

So he's the reason why there's a 10 year limit on FBI Director because

[Big Cat]

no one man can have all that power.

[Arian Foster]

Oh yeah, Shout out Kanye. Yeah, he was doing too much. He started getting too much power and started doing way too much crazy shit.

[Big Cat]

I think we ended up owning them though in the, the long term because the building, the J. Edgar Hoover Building is an absolute trash looking building.

[Big T]

A lot of the government buildings in D.C. are though.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's true.

[Big T]

They all look Russian as the, the,

[Big Cat]

the Hoover Building in particular is. It's terrible. It's a disgusting looking building. A low rise office building.

[Big T]

You'd think for a city with so many monuments and ornate stuff like the government buildings would be nice, but they're terrible.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. At the top my head, the, the nicest government buildings in Washington D.C. i would say the White House is a nice looking building.

[Big T]

Yeah. But I'm not, I'm talking about like the, the Department of the Interior building and.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Big T]

All that stuff.

[Big Cat]

I think one, one is just the Kennedy Center. That's not even like a department though, just for the arts.

[Big T]

That's a really nice, the Congressional Office building is nice. Ish. Yeah, but like the, I, I stayed one time. My hotel was right next to, I think it was the Department of Education.

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big T]

And it was just like the worst looking brutalist building you've ever seen.

[Big Cat]

Let's see, I'm looking up one right now because I, I think I remember the Health and Human Services building. Oh no, that's a bad one too. They're all just concrete blocks that's a really bad one.

[Arian Foster]

Healthy.

[Big Cat]

That might be the worst now that I'm looking at it. This one. See that?

[Big T]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[Big Cat]

Terrible building. It does look like the government, though.

[Big T]

I think I walked through there one time.

[Big Cat]

But yeah, Hoover Building stinks. Hoover Dam is awesome, but that's different. Hoover.

[Big T]

I didn't know that.

[Big Cat]

That would be Herbert.

[Arian Foster]

Herbert Hoover.

[Big T]

Really?

[Arian Foster]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

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[Big T]

Always.

[Arian Foster]

There was a guy that said that somewhere in history.

[Big Cat]

There it probably is. We are Penn State.

[Big T]

I'm lost.

[Big Cat]

All right, love you guys.

[Arian Foster]

Goodbye.