The Zizian Death Cult: Myths, Madness, and Murder | Feb 13, 2025

Summary

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Macrodosing Podcast Summary

Episode: The Zizian Death Cult: Myths, Madness, and Murder
Date: February 13, 2025
Hosts: PFT Commenter, Arian Foster, Big T, Producer (Mad Dog McKenzie)

Overview

This episode of Macrodosing delves deep into the strange and disturbing story of the Zizian Death Cult, a rationalist, AI-obsessed movement recently implicated in multiple murders. The crew also riff on a range of topics—from cult psychology and rationalist ideology to reality TV, Super Bowl performances, and US political dynamics. Sharp, irreverent, and at times philosophical, the conversation moves between true crime, pop culture, politics, and ethics, all through the show’s trademark blend of research, skepticism, and banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Zizian Death Cult: Origins and Philosophy

• Who are the Zizians?

  • The group, led by a transgender woman known as Ziz (self-styled as "the Sith"), emerged from the rationalist and AI-accelerationist scene in Berkeley and Silicon Valley.
  • Members are often connected to tech and AI fields, vegan, and nonconforming in gender/sexuality.
  • The cult's philosophy is a warped form of rationalism: the ends (accelerating and serving a benevolent AI) justify any and all means—including violence.
  • They are deeply obsessed with Roko's Basilisk—a thought experiment about future AI punishing those who don't help bring it into existence.
  • Ziz herself claims to be “double good” (the highest, rarest brain state in her schema), qualifying her uniquely to lead the cult (83:20).

• Cult Practices and Beliefs

  • Members wear black Sith-like robes, are required to be vegan, and engage in deep rationalist “decision theory.”
  • Ziz’s blog, “Sincereusly” [now offline], outlined her ideas about the brain’s hemispheres having different genders and competing for dominance.
  • Sleep is seen as optional—she asserts you can rest one brain hemisphere at a time (83:20).

2. Violence, Murders, and Ongoing Investigations

• Violent Incidents

  • Three confirmed murders tied to the cult in California, Vermont, and Pennsylvania between 2023–2025.
  • The cult squatted on a trailer park in Vallejo, CA, stopped paying rent, then attacked the elderly landlord with a samurai sword when he tried to evict them—he survived, but later was murdered before testifying (98:23, 100:41).
  • Other cult associates are implicated in a Vermont border agent’s shooting, and in the murder of parents of a group member (106:56–108:51).

• Cops and Cult Tactics

  • Rationalization of crime is always twisted to their ideology—e.g., killing as a way to fund AI development, removing obstacles to AI, or “enforced altruism.”
  • The rationalist “trolley problem” is referenced as ethical justification (120:15).

3. Rationalism Goes Wrong: Parallels and Critique

• Cult vs. Religion: Ends Justify the Means?

  • Extended debate between Arian and Big T (111:26–127:09) on whether the cult’s logic resembles the origins of major religions, and, more broadly, if history’s mass movements are as “irrational” as current new cults.
  • Arian: “Most people don't believe they're bad people... it's the same rationale.”
  • Big T: “The events you’re talking about happened 2,000 years ago…”
  • PFT: “Replace God with an AI that doesn't yet exist.” (122:22)

• How to Spot a Cult

  • Key warning sign: If a group asks you to cut off friends/family ties and accept secret doctrine, beware (129:11).

4. Other Major Topics & Tangents

a. Super Bowl Halftime Performance

• Arian dives deep into Kendrick Lamar’s halftime show
  • Praises Lamar’s storytelling, symbolism, and subtle political references, especially the “40 Acres and a Mule” line (23:04–31:23).
  • PFT: “There’s a caveman part of my brain... [that just wants] bangers... But I respect the artistry.” (25:56)

b. US Politics & The "CEO of America" Era

• Trump and Elon Musk

  • Critique of Trump’s “plan for Gaza” (i.e., building a Trump resort): “Might be the worst idea I’ve ever heard” (09:35).
  • Elon Musk’s “agile” tech-company mentality is being applied—dangerously—to government itself: “He’s the CEO of America... [and] he’s going to break stuff that’s not easy to fix.” (39:30)

• Hypothetical Political Futures

  • Serious suggestion that Stephen A. Smith could run for and win the presidency: “There’s probably a 33% chance that he’ll be president one day” (43:32).
  • Discussion of Maryland governor Wes Moore as a “made-for-president” figure (52:50).

c. Other Noteworthy Segments

• Travis Kelsey “Check-out” Theories

  • Analyzing Kelsey’s apparent lack of effort in the Super Bowl—retirement speculation, fame fatigue, and privilege of repeated wins (14:31–19:57).

• Reality TV Tangent:

  • Thorough breakdown of Spanish “Temptation Island” and the viral Montoya clip—expanding into reality TV ethics and humiliation (62:03–69:18).

• OJ Simpson, Running Backs, and Sporting Greats

  • Arian and Big T marvel at OJ’s football talent vs. infamy—brief reminiscences (71:11–73:36).

• Personal Anecdotes

  • Arian lets his daughter keep a “Tina the Turtle” from the backyard (“couldn’t say no”)—producing a surprisingly detailed discussion on sexing turtles and toothbrush maintenance (74:08–78:44).

• Kanye West, Free Speech, and Mental Health

  • The crew react to Kanye’s recent public breakdown, anti-Semitic statements, and shirt-selling scandal (131:06–137:46).
  • “Hope he gets the help he needs”—Arian (138:03).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Zizian Cult:

  • "They’ve got this big belief system, but their crimes are all personal and random…then they go back and defend it by being like ‘it’s because AI.’” – PFT (85:41)
  • “As a Sith, I’m religiously required to do whatever I want.” – Ziz, via PFT (82:44)
  • “If you find yourself not telling your family what you're up to... because one person has all the answers, maybe start to think about that.” – PFT, anti-cult advice (128:54)

• On Super Bowl Halftime:

  • “[Kendrick] always puts these little Easter eggs in there…if art doesn’t make you think, it’s just advertising.” – Arian (25:56)

• On Politics & Society:

  • “I don't think you should ever trust the richest person in the world to be in charge of the world.” – PFT on Elon Musk (35:54)
  • “We want our politicians to be clippable…there’s nobody better than Stephen A. Smith.” – PFT (44:14)

• Debate: Cult vs. Religion

  • “The rationale is the same—your rationale and their rationale is the same.” – Arian (123:36)
  • “[The difference is] 2,000 years of, of tradition…and then you can choose to do with that what you want. This guy is just—they're just going around killing people.” – Big T (124:49)

• On Temptation Island:

  • “You're not rude. You're just like, I got a thing over there…You end up rooting for people who resist.” – Arian (64:58)
  • “The winning move would be you do nothing and leave with your partner.” – Producer (64:57)

• On Fame & Football:

  • “He has $100 million podcast deal, he’s dating Taylor Swift…why is he still doing this?” – Big T, on Travis Kelsey (17:54)
  • “OJ was a bad man…Like, OJ was different.” – Arian (72:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump’s Gaza Plan Discussion: 08:55–13:15
• Kendrick Lamar Super Bowl Performance: 23:04–31:23
• Zizian Death Cult Deep Dive Starts: 80:07
• Cult Psychology and Rationalism-Law Comparison: 111:26–127:01
• Spanish Temptation Island Explainer: 62:03–69:18
• OJ Simpson & NFL Anecdotes: 71:11–73:36
• Arian Gets a Turtle: 74:05–78:44
• Kanye West Meltdown & Free Speech: 131:06–137:46

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Overall Tone & Style

The episode is irreverently intellectual—a blend of true crime, skeptical philosophy, sports chatter, and culture-war comedy. The hosts alternate between deep dives and off-the-cuff riffs, maintaining a conversational and humorous tone, even during more disturbing subject matter. Arian, in particular, brings philosophical and ethical analysis; PFT supplies big-picture context and pop culture references; Big T is the conservative foil and fact-checker.

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Conclusion

This episode is a quintessential Macrodosing mix: a bizarre Silicon Valley murder cult becomes a springboard for debating rationalism, religion, AI, and the ethics of ends vs. means. Listeners unfamiliar with the Zizians will come away with insight into not only the crime, but also the broader cultural and psychological forces that produce new cults—and the ways these echo old ones. The hosts bring warmth and wit to heavy material, always questioning, rarely judging, and keeping it plenty weird.

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Transcript

[PFT Commenter]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Aryan]

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[Big T]

That's incorrect. Stephen A. Smith jumps off Stephen A. Smith.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Okay, good point. Is he a Democrat?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

I think he's gonna have to run.

[PFT Commenter]

I think in name, he's a Democrat. I think he's just Stephen A. Smith.

[Big T]

Well, I mean, you got to pick one.

[PFT Commenter]

So listen, I think that Stephen A. Smith, there's probably a 33% chance that he will be president one day. Like not. I'm not joking.

[Big T]

You ask if he's a Democrat. I think he's a Democrat who could win.

[PFT Commenter]

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[Aryan]

Oh, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. Oh is right.

[Aryan]

Damn.

[PFT Commenter]

You're welcome.

[Aryan]

Yeah, facts.

[PFT Commenter]

But you already got your rose from Steven Singer jeweler. So it's all good.

[Aryan]

But of course.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So you're, you're not going to be at any doghouse, not that you even have a dog house because you probably just turned into a torture chamber for your pet. Get the crew together and head off.

[Big T]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Big T]

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[PFT Commenter]

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[Big T]

Let's drive.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. It is Thursday. It's February 13th. We're back. We got myself, Aryan, Big t, Mad Dog McKenzie. Whole squad here looking, looking forward to today's topic. We're going to talk about the Zizian death cult. Yeah. Death culture back, baby. They're back. And this is an ongoing thing right now. So some of the people are still being, they're trying to track them down. There have been several people that have been attacked, several that have been killed. But it is a fascinating, weird, weird cult going on right now.

[Aryan]

Fire name. It's a, it's a fire name. Gotta give it up.

[Big T]

Is it?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's pretty good.

[Aryan]

Zizians is cold.

[Big T]

Too many Z's in there.

[PFT Commenter]

No, that's what makes it like you.

[Big T]

You. One Z makes something cool. Or maybe two back to back. Two in separate places, though. You're too much.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I, I kind of like it. I think it's a catchy name. If you look at other cults we've got, there were some other big cults out there. Heaven's Gate, we've got the Branch Davidians, Jonestown, Jonestown, Swifties.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

There's. In terms of cult names, Stoolies. Zizians is pretty good, I think across the board. It's, it's one of the better ones. But yeah, we'll get to it in a second. Right off the bat, Big T, I did a bad job on Monday. I didn't ask if there was anything that you teed off about.

[Big T]

Actually, one has befallen me this morning.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big T]

Is there. The fact that you're leading with it makes me think that there's something I should be that isn't this.

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Big T]

Oh, okay. Have. Has your phone updated to the new iOS?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't believe so.

[Big T]

So mine did, against my will the other night.

[PFT Commenter]

They put a YouTube album on there.

[Big T]

Worse. So now there's this, this Apple AI bullshit that instead of just having my texts on my phone, it does a AI summary of them that I don't want and I haven't figured out how to get it off yet.

[PFT Commenter]

So you can take that off.

[Big T]

Yeah. So the notification comes up and it says like, like my friends were talking about the Red Sox this morning and it was like, red Sox GM is doing a good job. Like, I don't need to, I, I, I'll just read the texts.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So yeah, I'm teed off about that.

[Aryan]

You can take it off. But I, with it.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree. I would not like that. I'd say I don't like 99% of AI innovations and then 1% you do.

[Big T]

It came. They had also downloaded this, like, app that you're supposed to be able to make pictures and stuff with AI and it's. I didn't like that either. I didn't think it was very good.

[Aryan]

Yeah, no, it isn't. I did do that. With my face and it don't look like me. And it.

[Big T]

Yeah, I thought it wasn't very good.

[PFT Commenter]

The.

[Big T]

The Twitter one is way better.

[Aryan]

The grock.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Are you talking about the AI image generator?

[Big T]

Yes.

[Aryan]

Yeah, absolutely. It didn't look like me. Like, it didn't. It was like a cartoon. It's supposed to make you into an emoji and you, like, they used reference pictures and it just dies. Was kind of weak.

[PFT Commenter]

Did you use the. The Apple one where you put on the Vision Pro and then it made the. The 3D rendering of your head in your face?

[Aryan]

I did do that initially. I haven't put that thing on.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Good. Six, seven months, I don't even know.

[Big T]

Same.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I did that one time on the dozen and I was. I was zooming in. I was using the. The Riverside app and it. It generated my, like, computer image face.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And it was fun.

[Aryan]

That's better than.

[PFT Commenter]

But I was just saying it's weird. It did. I guess it did an okay job in terms of, like, it kind of looked like me, but it looked like, like a. A very creepy, weird, like, smooth Pixar version of me.

[Aryan]

Yeah, it's AI. AI doesn't have much use. Well, I gotta take that back as a lot, but I think a lot of, like, entertainment value stuff is kind of weak.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But the only thing that's entertaining to me has been the. The pissing match between all the different billionaires that are coming up with their own versions of AI, and they all hate the other AI companies and they just all steal their top people away and it just becomes like, basically middle school drama playing out among Silicon Valley.

[Big T]

I saw Sam Altman and Elon are in a. In a tiff now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big T]

I didn't even. I saw Elon offered to buy open AI or something.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't keep up with it. All I know is that they're pissed at each other because it was all the same people that started to work on it and then they tried to acquire the other AI group. Then one of the AI groups was like, yeah, we're gonna do this, but, like, open source. Then Elon was like, no, everything has to be open source. And the other company was like, no, we're going to keep some of this stuff proprietary. And it's just been.

[Aryan]

I. I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't keep up with all the drama going on. But they've got their own little, like, soap opera going on behind the scenes.

[Big T]

I love your hat today.

[PFT Commenter]

Thank you.

[Big T]

The Tony Romo.

[PFT Commenter]

I love Aran's hat today.

[Aryan]

It's pretty nice.

[PFT Commenter]

Aaron and I are.

[Big T]

Wait. Yeah. What the. What's going on?

[PFT Commenter]

We're both wearing quiet luxury hats.

[Big T]

Hang on, hang on.

[PFT Commenter]

Do you have one?

[Aryan]

Wait, what's was quiet luxury?

[Big T]

Oh, Big T. I bought this when. When I was aj. Big boom. AJ for Halloween.

[PFT Commenter]

So we're all. We're all the black hat group today.

[Big T]

Is that a thing?

[PFT Commenter]

No.

[Aryan]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

This is my vacation hat. I'm gonna buy a fun vacation hat when I.

[Aryan]

When I get there.

[PFT Commenter]

For sure. Love that you have to do that. Yeah. This is the. The no logo hat. That's like the Kendall Roy special, right? Good guy.

[Producer or Co-host]

Great. It's one of the best.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I emulate him in most things I choose to do. So. Yeah, we're back on macrodosing. Big T. I. I agree. I agree with your teed off. I do not want that loaded on my phone. I do not want to see AI summaries of my text when I can just read my text for my friends.

[Big T]

Right?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Seems like that's something that really shouldn't be. Really shouldn't be, like, popping up.

[Big T]

I learned how to do it quite a while ago. I'm pretty good at it, actually.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So we. We resolved a couple weeks ago that at the most, we are going to do five minutes of Trump on any episode so we don't turn into just talking about everything Trump did. I'm gonna. I'm gonna do it this way today. I have one thing I don't like and one thing I do like. How about that? Both sides, Radical centrism on this podcast. Big T, would you like me to start off with the thing that I don't like or the thing that I do like?

[Big T]

Whichever you're feeling.

[PFT Commenter]

No, you tell me.

[Big T]

I. Doesn't make a lick of difference to me.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. I'll start out with the thing that I don't like. Okay, how about that? This plan for Gaza that he's got going on, which is just build a Trump property in Gaza, turn it into the Riviera of the Mediterranean, and I've heard a lot of ideas in my day. I'm a good listener. What can I say? I hear a lot of people with a lot of ideas. I try to listen to all of them. It might be the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life, I think. I don't think that's an overstatement either. I feel like if we just be. If we just take over Gaza and we build resort properties, there I don't see a way that doesn't end in nuclear war.

[Big T]

I don't understand why we even want. Would want to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Because it's real estate.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And he's a fan of real estate. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of real estate, too. Love land. They're not making more of it. Get in while you can. Just taking over the Gaza Strip. Bad idea. Probably the worst. The worst idea in the history of ideas, I would say.

[Big T]

I don't think it's the worst idea, but it. I. I don't like it.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you name a worse idea?

[Big T]

Plenty.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you name one these? The.

[Big T]

The immediate ones that come to mind are too controversial.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. All right. I would say this is probably the worst that I've heard.

[Big T]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't see a way that this happens without some sort of nuclear exchange. Bad idea. Bad Trump, bad. Down, down, boy. One thing that he's done that I do like, the paper straws. Executive order.

[Big T]

I have to find a new single issue. It used to be sports gambling. I said I would vote for anyone that would legalize sports gambling. Then it became getting rid of paper straws. And now that's actually happened.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

So now I need a new thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Well, I don't know how the executive order is going to get rid of paper straws. I think it does in, like, federal facilities.

[Big T]

Yeah, I wish it would.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree with the Senate.

[Big T]

The president should have the power to ban paper straws completely.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm glad that he's taken a stand on it. I think it's power using the bully.

[Aryan]

You don't believe that.

[Big T]

I mean, there's nobody clearly joking.

[Aryan]

Okay. Sometimes your takes. I don't know, but okay, as long as you're joking. All right.

[Big T]

You. You're. You're supporting the paper straws.

[Aryan]

No, I don't give a what. I've never put a lick of thought into what kind of straw I have. I couldn't care less.

[Big T]

And had a worse experience.

[Aryan]

I don't really use straws like that. I mean, I just don't. I, I just. Whatever's there is there. I don't.

[Big T]

Oh, we got to get you some paper straws. You'll change your mind.

[Aryan]

I've used paper straws. I've just. I. I don't know, man. I think, I think America is a. Too comfortable. That's what I think. I think.

[PFT Commenter]

I think.

[Aryan]

I think you are too comfortable. It's nowhere near that crucial.

[PFT Commenter]

You think it's the government's business to tell you what? You are and aren't allowed to suck on facts. Keep the government out of my mouth.

[Big T]

Well, but he's kind of. That kind of works against us.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes, it does here. So, yeah, also the. The low flow toilets issue. I'm a big fan of. Of him just like, putting a executive order out, being like, we're doing. We're not doing low flow toilets anymore.

[Big T]

I haven't seen that.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah, no more low flow toilets. We're bringing back the ability to flush, which I love.

[Big T]

I don't hate that.

[PFT Commenter]

I also love the idea of that order coming out and then somebody going and taking a. And flushing and be like that. Flush. So we're back. Yeah, America's back, baby. So you decide, you know, take the good with the bad, the straws. And then ethnic cleansing in the Gaza Strip and building a Trump property. No one's perfect, you know?

[Aryan]

Yeah, yeah, you know, because, like, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

That's the weird thing is it's not America first at all. That's like, America last.

[Big T]

Agreed.

[PFT Commenter]

And it's. It is endorsing ethnic cleansing, like, literally, that's what it's doing. So bad idea. And then building an American property there and just taking over, being like, fuck you.

[Aryan]

If you.

[PFT Commenter]

If you want people to get attacked on a daily basis, then I would say go ahead and build a property in the Gaza Strip and have it be controlled by America. That's a good way to do it.

[Big T]

I saw him say, like, we won't even have to pay for it. They'll just give it to us or something.

[PFT Commenter]

I think he's just riffing.

[Big T]

I. I think so.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know that anybody in the White House was ready for him to say that. I don't know that Netanyahu is ready for him to say that, but he definitely wasn't.

[Aryan]

Netanyahu was like, hey, yo, fam. That's. That's my. I got plans for next year.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's our. That's our deal that we're doing right now. But Netanyahu, if you can say what you want about him, the man is. He's a skilled improver. And the one rule of improv is you say yes and. And you just roll with whatever the other person's riffing on. So when Trump was like, yeah, we'll put a Trump property there. It'll be ours. It'll be America. We'll take care of it. Yeah. Netanyahu was like, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that sounds good. Keep going. But yeah, I. He's just riffing. I don't know. I mean, but a lot of times his riffs turn into actual things. So who knows? Who knows? So that's five minutes of Trump. Do we make it?

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah. You have 40 seconds remaining.

[PFT Commenter]

I choose to cede the remaining 40 seconds of Trump.

[Aryan]

Perfect.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, nice. So moving on to Big T sheet that he sent over. Big T's been doing some film study on Travis Kelsey in the Super Bowl.

[Big T]

I didn't do the film study. I consumed someone else's film study.

[PFT Commenter]

I also consumed some film study on. On Travis Kelsey. I need to go back and personally watch the All 22 because I don't know if they're just pulling these clips out, and it's like you can get clips of Luka Doncic not playing any defense, and then you're like, oh, man, look how bad he is. But then you don't see the clips of all the good stuff that he does. So you. Clips can be misleading. I've seen this clip that Big T sent by of Travis Kelsey appearing to not block at all on multiple plays in the Super Bowl. And then I saw another one yesterday of Kelsey just standing absolutely still.

[Big T]

Yeah, it was like three or four frames into the play. Every offensive lineman had taken two steps and he was still in his stance.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And then he just. He stands perfectly still, and Mahomes is scrambling around looking for somebody downfield, and Kelsey just kind of stands there. Those three plays, not a good look. This the one that I saw remind me of that Albert Haynesworth play. I believe that was against the eagles back in 2000. I want to say 2010 Monday night game where Vic and Desean just lit it up. That game, there was a famous play of Albert Haynesworth who was getting 100 mil just lying down on his belly on the ground and just not getting up for like four seconds because he was too tired and fat. That. That one clip with Kelsey reminded me a little bit of that. I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. Besides, I'll have to go back and. And consume the entire all 22. This seems to point to Travis potentially not being engaged, not. Not at the top of his game in the Super Bowl. Your thoughts, Big T?

[Big T]

I think he's just. It's time comes for everyone.

[PFT Commenter]

You think this is a father time issue?

[Big T]

Yeah, I think it's just. It's some. It at some point. It's time.

[PFT Commenter]

Super bowl is a weird time to. Because what I've seen was more like effort.

[Big T]

You think?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah. And these plays, and in these plays that I've seen, it's. It's more like effort. It's not like he was trying. And.

[Big T]

And I think he's moving slower, though.

[PFT Commenter]

Because he's old, but he's not.

[Aryan]

There's a difference.

[PFT Commenter]

He's not that old. Like, if you're standing still at the line of scrimmage while your quarterback's running around and you're a tight end, and he's. He's famous for getting open and. And working to find those holes in the zone while Patrick Mahomes is scrambling.

[Aryan]

He could have, like, an undisclosed injury that he didn't let nobody aware of. That's possible. But from the. This whole year, honestly, when I watched him, I just saw somebody who really wasn't that engaged. Like you said, it just don't look like he won't be there. And that's always a recipe for disaster in the NFL. Just from my stand, that's what it looked like to me. And the super bowl is probably the most coveted sports stage in American history. Like. Like, sell out. Like. But there's also, like, a little bit of privilege there, man. You've been there so many times. This is just like another super bowl to you.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah, you don't look good.

[Big T]

I think if it's purely an effort issue, then obviously that's bad. But I think he's older. Maybe that has something to do with it. But also, why should he want to be there? This. This.

[Aryan]

He.

[Big T]

He should have retired years ago.

[Aryan]

He.

[Big T]

He has $100 million podcast deal, he's dating Taylor Swift. I mean, what are you doing? I bet when he's out there, I bet that's what he's thinking. What the fuck am I doing?

[PFT Commenter]

He's got it all.

[Big T]

Every time he gets hit, he's like, why am I doing this?

[PFT Commenter]

I agree, Big T. If you have a successful podcast and you have it.

[Big T]

All, shouldn't even want to play in the game.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't want to be in the Super Bowl. Yeah, like that. I got. I got something better going on. I'm potting tonight. Yeah, it's. He might retire. This makes me think he's going to retire.

[Producer or Co-host]

Did you see the thing on.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Producer or Co-host]

New Heights?

[PFT Commenter]

I did not know.

[Producer or Co-host]

It didn't sound like he was sound of retire coming back like, 100.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, really? What'd he say?

[Big T]

He was like, it's. It's tough to accept when you know you're not at the top of your game like you once were. And, you know, that kind of thing. And then he said, if I come back, like, I would. I would owe it to my teammates to. I think he said not make it a half assed decision. It sounded like, I mean, he could have easily said, yeah, I want to play football. I'm planning on coming back.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If he's talking about not making it a half ass decision, that means right now he's got one. One half of his ass in it.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Like currently half assed. Yeah.

[Big T]

That sounds like someone who wants to retire but doesn't want to give up football. Like, because, I mean, you've played it for 25 years.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's. It's fun hanging with boys, right? Yeah. By the way, I like Jason Kelsey a lot. That was my first time getting to hang out with him. We. We'd met him at the, at the golf tournament out in Tahoe the year before and got to spend, I don't know, 20 minutes with him, but spent probably like two hours with Jason Kelsey on and off camera at the Super Bowl. Very cool guy.

[Big T]

Have no, no trouble believing that.

[PFT Commenter]

Very, very cool guy. I can see why. Why he's so popular in Philly and just a good dude. But yeah, this. I don't know, maybe he wants to drag this out for another couple months for the pod. Will here, won't he? Yeah, on the pod.

[Big T]

It's good content he.

[PFT Commenter]

He has to announce on the podcast. Right. Like Shafter can't scoop that well.

[Big T]

Yes.

[Producer or Co-host]

I mean, Jason Kelsey had a press conference.

[PFT Commenter]

That's true. I remember when, when was it Stephen Che that got upset A Rico Bosco, one of those two. I got upset that Jason was wearing a cutoff shirt. His retirement podcast.

[Big T]

Yeah, that had. I would guess Che.

[Producer or Co-host]

I would also guess Jay.

[PFT Commenter]

I think it might have been Rico, though. I don't know. I don't want to slander Rico. I'm a rider. I do disavow the high noon incident.

[Big T]

Thanks.

[PFT Commenter]

I stood firmly with Big T on that.

[Big T]

Thanks. But yeah, you were one of the first to. To be like, well, maybe we. We forgive Rico though.

[PFT Commenter]

Was I?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I think I wanted you two to have a conversation.

[Big T]

Yes, you were. You were one of the first to. And I like Rico now, but you were one of the first to be like, well, let's build a bridge and get over it.

[PFT Commenter]

No, I wanted, I wanted you to have that conversation on the pod because you guys hadn't discussed it after the high noon and I'm thinking about content. You don't think people would have. Want to see the first interaction Between Big T and Rico after the High Noon incident.

[Big T]

That's fair.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, it was rico, but he, the next day, made an apology blog.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, that's good.

[Producer or Co-host]

Jason Kelsey.

[PFT Commenter]

That's good. Sounds like someone told Rico to stand down.

[Big T]

Is there an apology blog for the High Man? I may have missed it.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I don't. I don't recall an apology blog.

[Big T]

No, it's fine. Some days I wish it would have hit me.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, think about the lawsuit.

[Big T]

Oh, I know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I had a discussion with one of our former attorneys from the. A company that used to be affiliated with Barstool. And I was like, how much could I have gotten? And he was like, if it hits you a lot. He said, if it didn't hit you, probably like 250 grand. But then you take out all the attorneys fees and out of that, and then. And I would have made you quit, so.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

It would not. I would have never done it anyway.

[PFT Commenter]

Morgan and Morgan.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Should have gone to them.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

For the people. Yeah. If it had hit you, I mean, it's not like there was a history of Rico and his unhinged behavior prior to that point.

[Big T]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

It's not like anyone should have known.

[Big T]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

But to Rico's credit, I. I don't want this to turn into an anti Rico tirade.

[Big T]

I like RICO now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Rico's. He's. He's long since turned a corner. I was about to say he turned a corner. That was a long time ago. He's been. He's been on the home stretch for a while. He's. We. We can all change therapy, get involved. Arian, what you got in your mind today? What you been. What you been thinking about and mulling over?

[Aryan]

I had a. I had a thought because I got a chance to dissect and digest the super bowl halftime show.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Aryan]

And I just thought it was a great performance, man. I thought it was a great performance, man. And when you get. When you get to, like, really looking at all the, like, different elements in it, because, like, the day before when y' all we was talking about it, you know, I only watched it, like, twice, and I was still a little faded from the night before, but I just think it was a really dope story that he was telling. And I think your take. Pft. Is a really bad one. That's why I think it's a bad one, because your take was. It was just 30 minutes of shitting on Drake, and I was, like, the exact opposite of what it was. Right. He definitely mentioned Drake, and he had Two songs that was talking about Drake. But the story that he was telling was. Was basically saying, I know what I'm supposed to do while I'm up there, but I'm not gonna do it right. That. And I think he was. He's breaking away from his original catalog and starting something new. And he's doing what he wants to do now and not necessarily what he's supposed to do. And that was really powerful. And then he combined that with elements of like, black America and how the nation is divided and what Uncle Sam, AKA America, directs you to or wants you to do in that conformity. And he's breaking away from that. That was really dope to me. And I think that's. That's the powerful thing about Kendrick and why I love Kendrick is his art always is telling a story. It's always. I was arguing with some motherfucker in my DMs. The other day. This nigga tried to tell me that. That he didn't. I don't get it to him.

[PFT Commenter]

Fuck him.

[Aryan]

Him. But I just. I just thought it was a really dope display of artistry. And I heard your thought you was like, he didn't play another hits or. He absolutely did. He played one of his biggest songs. He played a. He played a song that went double diamond, right? And I think that's that. That's. That's the dope shit about. About what Kendrick does is. Is he always puts these little Easter eggs in there. And it's just fun. It's fun. It's fun to pick apart and. And who's the mighty most? Deaf said like, if art doesn't make you think, then it's just. Advertisement Love that. And I think that's. That's what he aims to do. And I think if you didn't like it and it wasn't for you, not in a disrespectful way, but it's just like there's a. It was a niche performance. Like, if you're a fan of this in this culture, then you loved it. But if not, it was like, who's this guy? What is he doing? But I thought it was a great performance. It was fantastic. Loved it. On top of that, rap is very different than singing where. And you have to have like a certain amount of breath control. So Mans was running all across the field and rapping with no backtrack. That's crazy to me. That's dope.

[PFT Commenter]

So I, I agree with everything you just said. His performance, I thought was really, really good. And I, I'VE grown to really appreciate Kendrick Lamar as an artist, especially in this past year. I'd listened to some of his stuff before. I knew he was very talented. I knew a lot of what he stood for, the artistry. But I. I didn't really get super into him until this last year. And I appreciate and respect everything he does as an artist, and I respect what he did at the halftime show. I thought he took a lot of chances, and it was, like, technically a very good performance. I thought that, like, the. What you said about most def. Being like it. The difference between art and commercialism, all that stuff. But there's, like, a very caveman part of my brain that when I'm watching the Super Bowl, I'm just like, give me bangers and let me turn my brain off. Because the super bowl, the entire thing is a celebration of, like, commercialization of American sport. And so, like, to flip your brain quick into artistry mode and then back into, like, football, big sport, tough America mode is sometimes a little bit difficult for a lot of people to do.

[Aryan]

No, I don't disagree. And I. I think that's. That to. That's. To me, why it's the perfect time to do something like that and why it was so controversial. And upon further investigation. I didn't notice, man, because people start digging the stuff. Samuel L. Jackson was a Black Panther.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Aryan]

Yeah, Samuel Jackson was a Black Panther. And he stayed. He went to. I think it was Morehouse. He went to Morehouse in Atlanta, which is the hbcu. And he was, like, super big into the black revolution in America. And he held protests. He held somebody at. He held somebody captive as a protest to get more black initiatives in Morehouse. And I think one of them was because they felt like it was his word. So he said, they're. They're making. Okay, I'm paraphrasing now, but he said, they're making docile Negroes in Morehouse. And he wanted more, like, revolutionary black programs and stuff in Morehouse. And not only that. And so he. He was an usher at MLK's funeral. I didn't know that either. And so. And so he's always had. I remember reading something about him, his. His role in Django when Leonardo Capra was struggling to say the N word on set. And he was like, it's tough. He's like, it's tough for you, man. He was like, what? I was like, it's tough for you, man. Oh, yeah, it was Tuesday for me. Say the shit. Like he was just very, like, passionate about the. The entire project. And I always knew that part. I didn't know how big into activism he was. And so for him to step out and play Uncle Sam, it just. It just made me a more fan of Samuel Jackson. It was really, really dope. Little rabbit hole going into that as well.

[PFT Commenter]

I did not know that. I'm looking it up right now. This. This looks like some crazy right here. So, yeah, he was. In 1990. In 1969, he staged a protest by locking several board members in a room on campus, one of whom was Martin Luther King Senior. So he held Martin Luther King Senior hostage in a boardroom after he had been, you said, an usher at MLK Jr's funeral.

[Aryan]

Crazy, bro.

[PFT Commenter]

That's some wild.

[Aryan]

Yeah, he was. He was into it. He was. He was. He was with the shits. And. And not only that. So to get on the biggest stage in front of probably the most controversial president in American history and say 40 acres in a mule is fire to me. That's just amazing. So people that don't know what 40 acres in a mule was. 40 acres in a mule is what was promised to the freed slaves in America for the labor against their will. So we were promised 40 acres and a mule. And that's why people. So when people hear reparations now, they scoff at it and they say, get over it. America actually did promise black folks 40 acres and a mule, and they lied. It is what it is. But that was promised for restitution for slavery. That never came. And so for him to get on stage and say 40 acres in a mule. And Spike Lee, if you know Spike Lee. Spike Lee's production company is called 40.

[PFT Commenter]

Acres in a Mule. Yeah.

[Aryan]

And so Spike Lee shouted it out. I think he saw Chiraq and got a lot of inspiration from that. So it was. To me, it was dope. And that's what Kendrick does for me is like. There's so many little tidbits, and he's very meticulous, and it goes down, like, deep down, like rabbit holes. And I don't know. That's what art is supposed to. For me, that's art, though. That is what art is supposed to do. And I get the. I'm turning my brain off.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't want.

[Aryan]

I want to see some bangers. But for me, I. I love to be able to go back. And every time you watch it, you get something new. That's the best part. Art to me is every time I watch, I get something new, and it's something new. And on top of that there was like his stage set was a PlayStation remote control. And that's why throughout the, throughout the, the, the performance, there's like little tidbits that Tamiya was talking about the game deduct one point or deduct one life. It was really dope, man. That shit was fire to me.

[PFT Commenter]

And then he ended with Game over, right?

[Aryan]

Ended with Game Over. We turned the TV off.

[PFT Commenter]

I learned something the other day about reparations when it comes to Great Britain because Great Britain did pay reparations in 1833. So they paid $20 million in exchange for ending slavery in its colonies. The catch was the money went to the slave owners. So that was, that was the reparations that they paid at the time. So if you own slaves, you got a cut from the, the English government because they're like, hey, I know that you've been, you know, using free labor, so your business is going to take a hit if you have to pay people now. So we're going to give you guys, we're going to break you off a little something.

[Aryan]

You know, and that's why, that's why you'll, you'll hear us, a pocket of black Americans always be like, give us reparations. I don't believe, personally, I don't believe checks, you know, would do anything. I think you'll be hard pressed to find somebody argue against the fact that the poorest neighborhoods have, have worse conditioned schools. And if there's a direct pipeline to good education, to less crime, less, more opportunities in the job market. Right. There is a direct correlation through good schooling and that I think that reparations makes more sense in that vein to me. Refurbish the schools on American dollars. Refurbish all these schools, all these lower income schools. It don't have to be just black, but I mean they're disproportionately affected. That would, that would, that would be a great start to me.

[PFT Commenter]

But the craziest part is if you do like Chicago has a history of, of redlining going way back where it was like you were not allowed to get a home loan to, to buy a house if you were a black person. And if you did get a home loan, it had to be in a certain neighborhood that was like defined by streets. It's like this is the black part of town. Values are not as high there. And so then that family can't then build equity in their home and end up selling their house in the future and passing that wealth down generation by generation. But yeah, when I, when I saw reparations, I was like, oh, that's crazy that England did reparations. No, it was to the people that owned the slaves that got it. Which is just a bizarre twist that I, I did not see coming.

[Aryan]

Yes, well, I didn't know that. Also, all in all, great performance with it.

[PFT Commenter]

I just spilled body armor flash IV all over my laptop, so that's nice. Damn.

[Aryan]

Is you still, is you still cooking?

[Producer or Co-host]

Tell me. Go grab.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm still cooking. I just used a, a pogues T shirt to, to wipe it down. So we should be good. We should be good to go.

[Producer or Co-host]

Are you sure you don't want like a wipe or something?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I got most of it. Almost all. I'm gonna have a very sticky keyboard and people can be like, what have you been using this laptop?

[Producer or Co-host]

What a professional you are. Didn't even stop podcasting for a second.

[PFT Commenter]

The pod must go on.

[Aryan]

I thought somebody came in. I was like, damn. Not in the middle of the reparations beach.

[PFT Commenter]

My.

[Aryan]

No.

[PFT Commenter]

No. I mean that's, that's a much longer discussion for, for a different episode, I think. But it is something interesting to look into.

[Aryan]

Yeah, man. So I, I want your take on this. Pft. Because you've been traveling and we've had different, different things going on, I feel like I want you to take on Elon right now.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Aryan]

Elon is an interesting cat right now though. I just want to get your take on him. Like, what a lot going on.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I have no idea how Elon has all these jobs. How many jobs does this dude have?

[Aryan]

He's got a lot.

[Big T]

Tesla, Twitter.

[PFT Commenter]

Tesla, Twitter, StarLink, Doge, Doge, SpaceX. SpaceX. So that's just five companies I can count right now. And underneath x.com the everything app, it's all happening on X. They also include like Grok and the AI stuff that he's working on there. But I'm, I'm just going to count that as one. So that's, that's five different companies that he is in charge of right now. That to me says either being in charge of company isn't very hard, or he's not doing a good job at four out of the five of those companies.

[Big T]

Or maybe which one is he doing well at?

[PFT Commenter]

I, I like what he's doing at SpaceX.

[Big T]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, just from a technological standpoint, what he's doing at SpaceX is pretty incredible. Like, figured out a way to reuse rockets and I know he's got very smart people working for him. It's not like Elon is, you know, on the whiteboard, like breaking down equations and being like, here's how we do it. But he's, whatever, it's happening, he's in charge of it. Whatever SpaceX is up to, like, that's very impressive stuff. But yeah, he's got five, he's got four other jobs at least. He's clearly using some sort of performance enhancing drugs. He's, it seems like he's up all the time on ketamine, I would imagine. But yeah, my take on Elon is I don't think that you should ever trust the richest person in the world to be in charge of the world. That seemed like that's, that's pretty logical, right?

[Aryan]

It's wild to me that it seems like when, when they around, like Trump be taking a back seat. You know what I mean? It's, it's weird and I, I, I, I just find it hard to believe not to get back into the Trump talk, but I just find it hard to believe that like, this is all his initiative. It's like a team, like an administration. Like sometimes he'd be looking at these executive orders and he'll be like, oh, okay, it, I'll sign it. Like, he's never seen it before. They never talked about it. It's wild though.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. This is a big one right here. This is a big one. You can tell the ones that are like, from his desk, right? The straws. That was his. Yeah, that was, that was a Trump.

[Big T]

He had him tweeted out on the, the POTUS account.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, pretty good. But yeah, for, in terms of what Elon's doing, I think Elon approaches the world with the same mindset that he has approached all of his startups and all of his companies, which is just like, you have to be able to operate lean and agile and go fast and break things, and if you break things, then you can fix them later. But this is a, it's a software mentality. In my very, very limited experience in the software industry, there was, there's like a methodology called Agile, which is just like, you break it off into little chunks, you go fast, you have small teams that work on things. Instead of having like three different project managers that all contribute their feedback and all have different, you know, things they want to accomplish. Through every development, you try to eliminate as many stakeholders as possible and you try to make things quickly and have like one person that's in charge of it and Go fast and if you do something wrong then you can go back and fix it later. I think it has worked for a lot of startups in terms of like growing a company from, from the ground up and getting a bunch of funding and making a lot of money. I don't know that it works for a country as a whole. So he seems to be taking that same startup software mentality to the country and if you go fast and break things in a country, there's a lot of stuff that is not going to be easy to fix.

[Aryan]

Yeah, that's what I think got you.

[PFT Commenter]

And it like from Elon's perspective, he's been successful in the past when he's done this. So he sees this as the right way to operate, the right way to do things.

[Aryan]

Yeah. What's, I guess what's interesting to me is like Republicans are like yo, get rid of the bureaucracy. Right. That was their whole thing. Like this is, this is bureaucracy. He's like calling shots as a billionaire. That's wild to be dog. Like this is the exact opposite of what you, this is the swamp. I, I, it's a very, it's very confusing.

[PFT Commenter]

He's the CEO of America. I'd say Trump is the president. Elon is acting as CEO right now. But yeah, it's, I think it's gonna be tough to, there's a few things that are going to happen. One is he's going to break some stuff that is not easy to fix. That's going to have like real impact on people. And then two, I think that there's a lot of Republican people in Congress that are seeing what he's doing and they're like, this is actually gonna me in terms of my re election because he's firing a bunch of people that are my constituents and this is not good. I wish he wouldn't do this. But also I'm afraid to say anything because then I'll be painted as like an anti Elon, anti Trump person and then that will also be bad for my reelection.

[Big T]

Golf season is in full swing and.

[PFT Commenter]

Getting out there to work on your.

[Big T]

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[Aryan]

Yep.

[PFT Commenter]

I think there's a lot of Republicans that are like this. This is not going well, what Elon's doing, but they probably like some of the stuff that he is doing. And. But then when it affects them and their issues are like, I wish you didn't do that.

[Aryan]

This is the one thing I expect about the Republican Party is they are in lockstep. And it's the reason why they have power in all three chambers right now is because they're in lockstep. It doesn't matter what they say. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what they do. They're on the same page. And Democrats are so busy critiquing each other and themselves that we, We. We will never get a. I say we, the Democrats will never get a. A stronghold like this. And so. Because when I was. I feel like it was years ago, but when Joe Biden was president, I heard was gas prices and egg prices. Right. That of control now. But the feels like what the marching orders right now from the poker party is, hey, it's okay. Like this is. This is to be expected. And it's like they're okay with it when it's another. They're not. But as Democrats, there's no univocal voice when it comes to shit like this. And as a far leftist, it made me rethink and reevaluate my position on criticizing the Democrats because it's like I'm always a believer of like baby wins are still wins. You know, baby steps are still steps. But the Democratic Party is so divided that you can't, you can't rally around like the main thing. It's what establishment Dems were saying during the primaries. I mean, during the, during the election. But like I said, I respect that about the Republic Party. They are in lockstep. They get their orders and it is what it is.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Yeah. Republicans are very good at locking on to messaging and repeating that. And that's, that's their battle cry. And Democrats are not good at that at all. It makes me wonder how Democrats ever win elections.

[Aryan]

It'll be interesting going forward. I do think the turmoil from this administration will leak over into the next election as it did in 2020, and get people riled up to vote again. But it won't be because of a candidate.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And 2018 too, right?

[Aryan]

Oh yeah, the. The blue wave.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I was actually, I was looking the other day at who is going to run for the Dems in 2028. Right. That's the next election.

[Producer or Co-host]

2026 is the midterms.

[PFT Commenter]

Midterms, but like for president.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And if you look down the list. It's not. There's not a whole lot of names that jump off the page at you.

[Big T]

That's incorrect. Stephen A. Smith jumps off Stephen A. Smith.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. Okay, good point. Is he a Democrat? Yeah, I think. I think in name, he's a Democrat. I think he's just Stephen A. Smith.

[Big T]

Well, I mean, you got to pick one.

[PFT Commenter]

So listen, I think that Stephen A. Smith, there's probably a 33% chance that he will be president one day. Like, not. I'm not joking.

[Big T]

You ask if he's a Democrat. I think he's a Democrat who could win.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I think he could win, too. I actually believe there's a. A very good chance that he could win, I think. And he keeps. You know what? He loves being asked if he's going to run. I think he would run if enough people keep asking him to run, because his answer is always like, I. You know, I've never planned on it, but if, if the people want Stephen A. Smith, I'll give him Stephen A. Smith.

[Big T]

He would have an infinitely higher chance of winning the general election than getting there.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I agree.

[Big T]

Then the Democratic Party allowing him to become the nominee.

[PFT Commenter]

I agree. I was talking to somebody at the super bowl about, like, Stephen A. Smith being president one day and because the world is content now. Right. Like, everything. We want our politicians to be clippable and to have funny moments. There's nobody better than Stephen A. Smith at that. The. The White House press briefings would just be Bailey Carlin sending out a spongebob gif. Like, when. When goes down. Shannon would have to be in the cabinet in some position. I may be chief of Staff. No, I. I think. I think Skip is Persona. He'd exile Skip.

[Aryan]

That's up.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, he'd send. He'd send Skip on assignment to, like, he'd make him ambassador to probably somewhere that's like, a little tough. Maybe ambassador to China.

[Big T]

That's kind of an important job.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. He'd probably work closely with LeBron, Carmelo, send Kyrie over to Ukraine. Stephen A. Smith as president. I. I feel like could happen.

[Aryan]

No, I tweeted in the group. I was like, yo, this is happening.

[PFT Commenter]

He's.

[Aryan]

To me, he's the most viable candidate right now. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't say that. I say that reluctantly. I don't. I'm not like, it's just the depth. Like, I think where policy right now is, like, it's a populist movement. Like, you have to have some kind of like, rallying, cry with the people. It's not because people don't vote on policy. Like, I've given that up. People don't give a fuck about policy. It's about how can you get people excited to vote. Like. And that. That would have a. Have a good couple primaries. Anything could happen.

[PFT Commenter]

I mean, him on stage with, like, eight other Democrats would look a lot like Donald Trump on stage back in 2015 with, like, Rand Paul, Jeb Bush. I don't think anybody can beat Stephen A. Smith in a debate.

[Big T]

No.

[Aryan]

Hell, no. Especially if he's halfway rational.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

How. Yeah, I do think Gavin Newsom does a real good job in debates. He did. Who did he debate? Was it Ted Cruz?

[PFT Commenter]

I think so. Yeah.

[Aryan]

Yeah, he does. He does a good job, I think. But he kind of botched the Palisade fires, and so people, especially from California, are kind of over him. Yeah, but we'll see. I still think he's probably the best damn candidate right now, but other than that, it's Limp Pickens.

[PFT Commenter]

What I like about him is he. He has friends all across the aisle. So he goes on Hannity a lot and.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And talks to Hannity. So people on Fox News, they know him. They like him. He'll talk to anybody, and he will answer any question like it doesn't matter. You can talk to him about Toy Story 3. I saw him, like, debating cars one day. The movie Cars.

[Aryan]

What was the take?

[PFT Commenter]

I forget. They were asking about one character in particular, whether they had the clutch gene or something stupid like that. Yeah, he.

[Aryan]

He can tell.

[Big T]

Did you ask the question?

[PFT Commenter]

I did not ask that question. No. But, yeah. Stephen A. Smith. I think if enough people tell.

[Aryan]

I take Cars two is the best out of the series. I don't know if y' all are into the car series, but it's the Spy. Spy movie one that was Fire. And people from the Cars universe don't really like that one. And I don't understand it. The car scan Fire.

[Big T]

You know, there was a Cars Hitler in cars 911.

[Aryan]

There's a what?

[Big T]

Well, in the. The Planes movie, there's a TSA like, agency, which implies a 911 in the cars universe. And then there's also the. I think his name is Sarge. The, like, World War II Humvee, which implies that there was likely a Cars Hitler as well.

[Aryan]

Makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

Is there anything that implies a car's jfk?

[Big T]

I'm not sure.

[PFT Commenter]

And if so, was that a car that was riding in the backseat of another car?

[Big T]

Well, yeah, that's the whole thing. Like, planes. In planes, are they. How to. You know, I don't know. How does that work?

[Aryan]

I saw this tweet a long time ago of dude smoking weed, and he goes, does Lightning McQueen have car insurance or life insurance?

[Big T]

That's a good question.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. In planes, like, were there. Were there planes that were getting onto a bigger plane that then hijacked that plane?

[Big T]

Yeah, I never saw it. I'm not sure.

[PFT Commenter]

But these are the questions we need the answers to.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

And if there was a car's jfk, like, what is the. What is the life story of the car that had car JFK in the back of him?

[Big T]

I mean, if there was a car's 911, that implies there might have been a cars. George W. Bush.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Big T]

So.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Aryan]

So I didn't know this. Maybe I did. But they. Excuse me. They're saying the FBI found thousands of JFK assassination records.

[Big T]

Yeah. Yeah, it's like 14, 000 or something where we have.

[Aryan]

With it.

[Big T]

I don't think they're out yet.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, so they. They have. They said that they just discovered them, which. My. My brain perked up when I heard that. I was like, wait, so they just found these documents?

[Big T]

Maybe they were in that limestone mine for the last 60 years.

[PFT Commenter]

They might have been, yeah. What was it?

[Aryan]

On what.

[PFT Commenter]

Page 47 in National Treasure. Is that the one?

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Oh, in the. The Book of Secrets.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I'm not sure.

[PFT Commenter]

So. Yeah, they just so happen to find 14, 000 documents that I'm sure will throw the whole release of the documents into, like, a tailspin. Be like, well, we just found these that say that. Yeah, it was just Lee Harvey Oswald crazy. So, yeah, let's release.

[Big T]

Do you think any document exists that implies or implicates, like, the government at all?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big T]

You do?

[PFT Commenter]

Yes.

[Big T]

And you think that's on a government document?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think that the CIA field agent filled out a report like, what did you do today?

[Big T]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I dropped off this rifle with a Cuban.

[Big T]

But you think there are after the fact? There are. We have documents that say, yeah, we did it.

[PFT Commenter]

I. I don't think they say, yes, we did it. I think that there will be documents that are revealed that show the investigation after the assassination where they interview people who are associated with the government that have holes in their story or have things that people point out and be like, look, this guy, he's suspicious. They didn't. They didn't believe his testimony. They didn't take.

[Big T]

Okay, that. That makes sense.

[PFT Commenter]

I Think if anything, we're going to get like new conspiracies out of it. I don't think it. I don't think that he's going to release it and it's going to be like, okay, it was the head of the CIA and George H.W. bush that did it. I think that we're gonna have a whole bunch of names that maybe we didn't even know about beforehand. And then people look into them and there'll be 20 new theories about what could have happened.

[Big T]

Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. I just wanted to ask though, if I told you right now, in 2028, you could have one of Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, Pete Buddha, Judge.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Big T]

Or Stephen A. Smith, who would you take?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know anything about Stephen A. Smith's policy.

[Big T]

I think he's the correct answer.

[PFT Commenter]

I don't know any. I think he's probably amongst those, the most likely to win.

[Big T]

I think so, too.

[PFT Commenter]

But I don't know. I don't know shit about, like, what he actually believes in terms of. Here's what. Here's my vision for the country. But I think. I think he is.

[Aryan]

That's a great answer. Pfg. I just, I love that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. If you're talking just based on vibes, who would be. Which presidency would be more entertaining and.

[Big T]

Fun in the last couple years, as he's steered more into politics, he's laid out a. A pretty good landscape of his worldview.

[PFT Commenter]

Has he?

[Big T]

I think.

[Aryan]

I don't think, but he would have to, like, he would. He'd have to take definitive stances.

[Big T]

Sure. Yeah. Like, I don't think he's done 45 minutes on Palestine, but I think he's made his. Some stances pretty clear.

[PFT Commenter]

Like in regards to Kevin Durant. Yes. Like, I know. I know where he stands on things like that, like the play in game or the playing tournament.

[Big T]

I think in the last six months in particular, he is. Started to, you know, journey into that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I. I still don't know enough about him. I've seen him talk about things like off the top of his head. I. I don't. I don't know if I disagree or agree with more of what he says, but he is definitely the most likely. I'd say him. And then the other name I was looking at as potentially running then is the Governor of Maryland, Westmore.

[Big T]

I've seen him. He seems pretty likable.

[PFT Commenter]

So this guy Wesmore, it's like his entire life has been. He's been dead set on a course to become president one day. So he went to West Point. He, sir, he was a Rhodes scholar. He served in Afghanistan. I believe he is the direct descendant of somebody who fought in the revolution. So he's a member of the Sons of the Revolution. His, like great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was an African American soldier who fought with, I want to say, the Massachusetts Bay Colony in the revolution. That seems like that guy was just born to be president, right? Like everything.

[Big T]

Have you seen him practice with the Maryland football team?

[PFT Commenter]

No, I haven't.

[Big T]

Oh, you haven't? That was like. That's what I've seen him from. He went to a Maryland football practice and like put on full pads and practiced with the team.

[PFT Commenter]

Was he good?

[Big T]

I mean, as good as a governor could do, I guess.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, was he better or worse than Rob Ford?

[Big T]

I haven't seen Rob Ford do any athletic activity, but I'm going to guess considerably better.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, buddy.

[Big T]

Big T. What did Rob Ford do?

[PFT Commenter]

You need to look up Rob Ford playing football when he was the mayor of Toronto. There was one play where he dropped back to pass and he. He pulled his right arm back and just fell directly backwards.

[Big T]

All right, that's what I'm on.

[PFT Commenter]

Onto his head. I think he probably. I think he stiff armed some kids, too. Like a mascot, like Blooper.

[Aryan]

It's always a win.

[Big T]

I love seeing that art he's making. Oh, and down goes Rob. Yeah, and then he. He would have fallen a second time if this guy didn't grab him.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Big T]

I mean, lineman stepped on his foot.

[Aryan]

Is that what it happens?

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Or he was high on crack.

[Big T]

Could be.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, probably.

[Big T]

Probably.

[PFT Commenter]

But yeah. This dude Westmore, he's also going to be heavily involved in the bidding for the next Commander's Stadium. So it. I think he's going to try to get the commanders to stay in Maryland. If he does, then that'll be like a big win for him. And then people in Maryland will love him. He'll be like, okay, now run for president. I think it's a good likelihood of that.

[Big T]

Washington Post today. Can the Maryland governor energize the Democratic Party?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, here we go. I did not read that. I was. I was looking them up a couple days ago because I have, I actually have a theory. You Want to hear PFT's prediction for 2025 prediction FT. I hope it doesn't happen just because it'll throw everything that I've been hoping to happen into major jeopardy. I may have told you this. I don't know if I said it on the air. The commanders are trying to move back to RFK Stadium.

[Aryan]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

That piece of land that's in D.C. it's a perfect location for a football stadium. I mean, it was the location for the stadium for a long time. It's got transit that goes in and out. It's right in D.C. it's the perfect venue for it. There was a bill that was passed, I want to say, in November at the very last second because it was part of the omnibus bill originally. It's controlled by the federal government, the land, and they have to loan it or authorize it to the D.C. council if anything wants to happen on it. So they finally turned over authority of it to the D.C. city Council, who then gets to negotiate with the teams and say, here's what you can build on it. Here's our authorization to go ahead and put a new stadium there. But it is technically owned by the federal government. It then gets leased over in like a 99 year lease. It's very complicated, stupid. But the bill got passed back in November where they did turn it over to the D.C. city Council who then gets to decide if the commanders can build a stadium there. However, my prediction is if somebody tells Donald Trump that that land is technically federal land, I predict Donald Trump will try to revoke the rights to that land from the D.C. city Council and say, we'll only allow this to happen if they change the name back.

[Big T]

Interesting.

[PFT Commenter]

I feel very confident that that could happen. If somebody tells Donald Trump that that land belongs to them.

[Big T]

Do you think the team would do it?

[PFT Commenter]

I don't think so. I don't think they would because they don't want to be caught in the middle of a culture war.

[Big T]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I think that at least the logo.

[Aryan]

I'm down with the logo.

[PFT Commenter]

And I think.

[Aryan]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

I think they'll bring the logo back because I think that's part of the negotiation that they've had with the Blackfeet tribe where it's like, okay, you can use the logo and there's like a monetary exchange there, but they don't want the name back. The Blackfeet tribe does not want the name back. I don't think Josh Harris wants to get involved in the culture war of okay, we're bringing this back, etc. Etc. And also, and also if Maryland offers a big package to the commanders and says will give you X amount of dollars and it's more than what DC is offering and DC is offering the best, the best piece of real estate for it, but also goes along with you have to do this. Rebrand back to the old name. I think Josh Harris will be like, I'll just take more money from Maryland and build the new stadium in Maryland. And I hope that doesn't happen.

[Aryan]

I liked football team. Yeah, the Washington football team was fire. I like that name.

[Big T]

Too many teams are starting to do that now. Like, the Utah hockey team might just be the Utah Hockey Club. I think, like, you got to have a name. Got to have a name.

[Aryan]

I like that, too. Hockey club.

[Big T]

That's. That's a side thing.

[Aryan]

It's like. It's like default, but, like, that's why.

[Big T]

We'Ve established in America you have to have a team name. That's our thing. You gotta do it.

[Aryan]

Also our thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Madeline McKenzie. Do not.

[Big T]

Like, in Europe, the soccer teams are just like Barcelona fc. Like, so they don't have, like a.

[Aryan]

They don't have a mascot.

[Big T]

Most of them don't. Some of them, like, have a. Have an unofficial thing. Like Brentford is the Bees, but, like, that's not. They're just the Brentford Football Club. But, like, here we are, the Atlanta Falcons or the New York Knicks, whatever.

[Aryan]

I like the football team. Yeah, I with it. But go back to the old logo and the old uniforms.

[PFT Commenter]

Sweet.

[Aryan]

Give me that old thing.

[Big T]

What could they name the team with that logo that isn't Redskins?

[PFT Commenter]

I think they'd probably just keep commanders.

[Big T]

But that doesn't fit the logo.

[PFT Commenter]

Warriors. Warriors.

[Big T]

Warriors could work.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. But Mad Dog McKenzie, please do not clip that prediction. Because I'm hoping that nobody tells Trump that, because he will do that, and.

[Producer or Co-host]

You don't want to get that getting to him.

[PFT Commenter]

I just. I don't want to. I. I want that stadium for the team. I think it'd be awesome to have that piece of land for the team, and that was just doing your part. That would throw everything into turmoil.

[Big T]

What if there's a staffer that listens to this show that then tells him and he gives PFT commenter credit?

[PFT Commenter]

Do not.

[Big T]

When it happens, do not.

[PFT Commenter]

Do not do that. If there's a staffer that listens to it. If you do that, Okay, I. I will allow this because I am. I care about the future of the world more than I care about the future of where my football team plays.

[Big T]

Bold.

[PFT Commenter]

If you tell Trump that it's on city land because you just heard it, or that's on federal land because you heard it from me and you feel like that could be a win, you also have to tell him that the Gaza Strip Trump Hotel is the worst Idea in the history of ideas.

[Producer or Co-host]

And I'm not clipping any of this.

[PFT Commenter]

And don't clip any of it. Yeah. I will allow that to happen. I will make that trade.

[Big T]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

If we do not put American property or lives or troops in the Gaza Strip, then that, to me, that seems like a good deal.

[Big T]

If all of this happened, came to fruition, and he invited you to the White House as a guest of honor to unveil the new, the new stadium and new team, would you go?

[PFT Commenter]

If he also invites me to the White House to say we're not gonna. With the Gaza Strip and.

[Big T]

Okay, let's say that's already happened.

[PFT Commenter]

We're not going to be involved.

[Big T]

He already said, okay, fine, that's, that's.

[PFT Commenter]

Removing Palestinians and, and sending them to all these other countries in the Middle East. If they want to go home, they can go home.

[Big T]

So if that's off the table, you would go and be the guest of honor.

[PFT Commenter]

If I'm also at the other ceremony.

[Big T]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

That says we're going to try to work out a two state solution and have the west bank and Gaza Strip governed by the same body.

[Big T]

Okay.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Did I just solve. Did I just solve the entire Middle east crisis?

[Big T]

Maybe.

[PFT Commenter]

Damn.

[Producer or Co-host]

And we can't even clip it.

[PFT Commenter]

And we can't even clip it until after the fact, in which case I will. I will take a victory lap for doing peace in the Middle East. I think that's important. All right. Anything else we want to get into before we talk about the Zizians?

[Big T]

Yeah, I need Madeline and McKenzie to explain something to me.

[Producer or Co-host]

I think I know what you're gonna ask.

[Big T]

What is this show where this guy just has to keep watching? Allegedly his girlfriend just get railed by other dudes and they make him sit there and watch.

[PFT Commenter]

So.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Big T]

But now I'm seeing that he's. He's doing it as well.

[Producer or Co-host]

Okay, so this clip originated from the Spanish version of Temptation Island. A temptation. Temptation island is a show where supposedly strong couples. Couples go to this island and it's basically Love island where it's just a ton of hot people and they have these couples there and then they place hot single people, hot, single, horny people there. And basically they're taunting you to get you to hook up with them and cheat on your partner. And if you don't cheat on your partner, you win the game at the end. Like, you win the money. So with that concept in mind, Montoya, who is the man in one of these couples, was caught originally getting a lap dance or twerked on by one of the hot singles and his girlfriend got very upset because she was like, oh, my gosh, he cheated on me. This is also through all context clues because I don't speak Spanish.

[Aryan]

Quick, quick, quick thing. Temptation island. There's no money prize. What, what it. I've watched, like almost every season. I watched the original Temptation island, like from the 90s or early 2000s. Temptation island is fire. So what it is is couples who are on the brink and they're like, yo, do I want to continue with this relationship or do I not want to continue? They'll go there and they'll say, hey, I'm like one partner or two or both are skittish. And they'll say, okay, I think that this is strong enough and I want to test our relationship. I believe I trust you, you trust me, and this will solidify if we want to move forward and go with it. And so they separate the couples, all the girls and all the guys, they separate them and then they bring in singles to the separate islands. And, and that's when. And so, like, they'll do like, you know, same reality shit. They'll do challenges to do things, parties, drinking. And so you have like, I, Big T, your shorty's on the other island. Do you want to see a clip of what's going on? You can opt in, opt out. Most people opt in and they show like little highlights of what's going on with your significant other. Sometimes it's. Sometimes it's chill. Sometimes they get worked on, Sometimes they're getting worked on.

[PFT Commenter]

You know what I mean?

[Big T]

So you win the show by doing nothing?

[Aryan]

No, it's not winning or losing the show. It's.

[Big T]

But that's the idea.

[Aryan]

No, the idea is, do I leave this island with the person I came with or somebody else? That's the idea.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Aryan]

Do I continue in this relationship or is there other fish in the sea?

[Producer or Co-host]

Like an ultimatum?

[Big T]

So there is not a winner necessarily.

[Producer or Co-host]

I was wrong there.

[Big T]

But the winning move would be you do nothing and leave with your partner.

[Producer or Co-host]

Original partner.

[Aryan]

Yeah. You end up rooting for people who resist the temptation and are solid and like, no, you know, I, I, I, I want. You're a good looking lady, whatever the case. But like, I, you know, I got a thing over there. You know what I'm saying? You, you're not, you're not rude. And you end up rooting for those kind of people. And what usually happens is somebody be looking thick, Big T. And it is what it is.

[Producer or Co-host]

So Montoya got A lap dance.

[Big T]

So he started it?

[Producer or Co-host]

Yes.

[Aryan]

Oh, not necessarily. That could have been. You don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

We don't know.

[Aryan]

That could have been. Because in my experience every couple goes there with certain boundaries. Hey, I don't mind you getting dances or hey, I don't like no physical touch. Like it's a boundary that we say. And since we don't speak Spanish, we don't know what they boundaries was. But from his, from what the reaction.

[Producer or Co-host]

Is, it seems a boundaries. So he got twerked on in some degree. Then his girlfriend, he saw on the camera getting. How do I put this?

[PFT Commenter]

Lightly plowed.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yes.

[Big T]

That's the exact verb I was going to use as well.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yes. And so then that's where like he's like ripping his clothes off and he's literally watching his girlfriend get plowed and he's like tearing his clothes off and he's screaming and again, I don't know what he's saying, but it's very, very upsetting. And then he starts sprinting down the beach and the host is yelling, montoya, por favour. And that's where it comes from. And it's just this guy sprinting down the beach trying to stop his girlfriend from getting railed. And then it's this whole thing of the sex is so aggressive that we're watching.

[Aryan]

Very Jack Rabbity.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yes. And so that's what is also part of the virality of it is like who is. Is that? Like who's doing that? So, yeah, and then there's just clips that keep coming out of it getting like worse and worse and more humiliating. And so that is Montoya.

[PFT Commenter]

You think he's the only one?

[Producer or Co-host]

No, I'm sure he's not the only one, but he is. His girlfriend and whoever she's hooking up with are going to town in a way that I didn't know was physiologically possible.

[Aryan]

And then man's ran to the other island and he.

[Producer or Co-host]

Montoya's reactions to this are crazy. And it's also the fact that like Montoya is literally watching on the screen and his own girlfriend get have sex. The craziest part is I don't know if they edited this in a way that it could have been different. He didn't even see the. The plowing. No, he ran away before the plowing even started. He saw them making. So he was like. He was running because they were like kissing and sleeping in the bed together. He didn't even see the jackhammering. Like they went so quick that he basically made it back to the resort running like before. Like before they even started plowing. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Just a. A good general rule of thumb is if you and your. Your girlfriend. Yeah, Significant other. Get invited to go on a reality show together, you should say no.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Or you should break up.

[Producer or Co-host]

Because if you're getting asked to go on the show, it's already over. Or if you want to go on this show, like, call it quits. But. Yeah. So then this just keeps happening and he just keeps seeing clips, and then we keep seeing these clips.

[PFT Commenter]

Poor Montoya.

[Producer or Co-host]

You know Montoya?

[Big T]

The tweet that was like, my not involved in human trafficking shirt is garnering a lot of questions already answered by the shirt. This is my girlfriend getting plowed by strangers on the girlfriend getting plowed by strangers show.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Who could have seen that coming?

[Producer or Co-host]

And also, yeah, not dissimilar to Arian's tweet from the other day.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, yeah. Feels good to wake up and have having not murdered somebody last night, shout out to all my fellow innocent people.

[Aryan]

Hey, that's a great feeling, though. And then also, you murderer. Like, I just told you, I wasn't. But, like, I had a. I had a dream that I have. I was playing some game, football game, and afterwards, a couple of homies, we didn't like somebody. I don't know who it was. I don't know what the mission was, but we popped them. And then they got really sloppy in the dream. They didn't cover the evidence. They didn't, you know, whatever. And then the police was on my trail. I was like, I'm going to jail. I'm going to jail for murder. And that pilling of you going to jail for murder and your life is over is a horrible feeling. Only felt it in a dream. But when you wake up and you realize I'm a good dude, this is going to be a great day. Great feeling, dog. Great feeling.

[PFT Commenter]

I understand the sentiment where you're in hot water and you're dreaming. You're like, oh, shit, I didn't do that.

[Aryan]

That.

[PFT Commenter]

That's cool.

[Aryan]

It's amazing. It was.

[PFT Commenter]

It sounded like you were trying to cover your tracks when you tweeted that out. Did not.

[Aryan]

Another night Feet to the feeble mind.

[PFT Commenter]

Extending my streak this now makes 7000 mornings have woken up.

[Big T]

It does seem like you should have included in there. This was in my dream, by the way.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, no, he.

[Aryan]

I got. I got cameras in my house and I ain't left in a minute. All my alibis are safe and I have no reason to murder Anybody. I'm a wealthy man. Have a good life. Not. Not into murder.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, rich people don't kill.

[Aryan]

I'm way too famous for the. You just suggested.

[PFT Commenter]

I can't. I can't think of another famous NFL running back that's been very successful that has ever been accused of murder.

[Big T]

Did he lead the league in rushing one year? I think so.

[Aryan]

Oh, yeah.

[Big T]

Had to have.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, for sure.

[Producer or Co-host]

Did you play at the same time as him?

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, that's very disrespectful. Who are y'? All? Mad Dog just asked you.

[Big T]

Was that a real question?

[PFT Commenter]

That was a real question.

[Aryan]

What was the question?

[PFT Commenter]

If. If you ever played at the same time as oj.

[Producer or Co-host]

Oh, wait, I was the. Wait. Oh, I wasn't thinking about oj.

[Big T]

Who did you think we were talking about?

[Producer or Co-host]

Aaron Hernandez.

[Big T]

Not a running back.

[Producer or Co-host]

Oh, sorry.

[Big T]

That didn't play at the same time as Aaron Hernandez.

[Aryan]

I think I did. Yeah.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.

[Aryan]

Two or three times. Yeah.

[Producer or Co-host]

Sorry. No, not oj.

[Aryan]

Okay. I played against him in college, too.

[Big T]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Producer or Co-host]

I promise.

[PFT Commenter]

He was really good. Very good player. He'd have been.

[Aryan]

He'd have been a Hall of Fame if it wasn't a murderer. Yeah, but.

[Big T]

But, you know, fair enough.

[PFT Commenter]

Allegedly.

[Big T]

No, OJ still was.

[Aryan]

As he should have been. I mean, there's. I think there's a difference between Aaron Hernandez and OJ.

[Big T]

OJ was 2014.

[Aryan]

Hey, bro, OJ was a bad man.

[Big T]

I'm just saying he was, but he was a bad man on and off the field.

[Aryan]

Allegedly.

[Producer or Co-host]

Different ways. I don't know if there's people who defend OJ more than this podcast. Sometimes.

[Aryan]

I don't defend oj. I defend his football legacy. It was like. It was amazing.

[PFT Commenter]

Like, he was very.

[Aryan]

He was fucking wildly better than everyone else. Like, unreal.

[PFT Commenter]

My.

[Producer or Co-host]

You murder and people forget my great uncle.

[Aryan]

I was hype. I was hype. I'm gonna let you get it off.

[PFT Commenter]

Big thing.

[Aryan]

I was so hyped because in 2010, I think I got second. But since the first. The first NFL game of the opening kickoff, I think I was the only player since O.J. to have like, 200 plus rushing yards and three touchdowns. And I think he had like, 250. And I was like, yo, that's. That's why. That's dope. Because OJ's different, man. It's different.

[Big T]

My great uncle went to UCLA at the same time that O.J. was at USC, and he was like, you. Like, it's. It was. Nobody understands how Unbelievable. He was like. He said he was the best football player he'd ever seen. Still.

[Aryan]

Yes. Like, I mean, there's a reason why they were. They were so sympathetic to him driving down the freeway at 30 miles an hour, trying to slowly convince him not to. You know, they gave him so much grace during that entire thing. Because it was oj. OJ Was different. Like, OJ Was different.

[PFT Commenter]

He was also a good actor.

[Aryan]

He. Yeah, he. Not only that, he crossed a lot of color lines too, in America with his acting.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

So he was like a lot of people's introduction to, like, black America. And so he was. That's why he thought he wasn't black. That's why Jay Z had that line. He said, I'm not black, I'm OJ. Okay. Yep. But OJ was. OJ was bad, though.

[Big T]

3,100 yards and 33 touchdowns in two seasons at USC.

[Aryan]

Both bad, man.

[PFT Commenter]

If you ever see. Was it the Naked Gun movies that he was in? Yeah, he was very funny in those. Like, legitimately good actor.

[Aryan]

He's good, good, good, good at what he did, man.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Aryan]

In all aspects because he got off so good.

[PFT Commenter]

Defendant.

[Aryan]

Facts.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, you guys want to get to the Zizians?

[Aryan]

Oh, last thing.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

[Aryan]

My daughter. My 7 year old daughter pimped me into getting a turtle, so I now have a turtle.

[Producer or Co-host]

Oh, my God. Two hosts with a turtle. What are the odds?

[Aryan]

Yeah, so I have. I was. My mom's in town. We was all chilling for the Super Bowl. My daughter. They all know I don't like pets. I don't like dogs. I don't like cats. I don't like none of these. And she finds a turtle in my backyard. It's tiny, so it's like a baby turtle. And she finds it and she comes to me with the sweetest story and the sweetest face in those little eyes. Can I please keep it? Her name's Tina the Turtle.

[PFT Commenter]

That's a good name.

[Aryan]

And I was like. She's like, I already washed it off. She used my toothbrush. My toothbrush scrubbed his. You know, he was all washed off. Or she actually. I don't know the gender.

[PFT Commenter]

And.

[Aryan]

And so I was just. Look, I couldn't. I couldn't say no. I could. I couldn't say no. So I ended up ordering an aquarium from Amazon. I got the aquarium with the rocks and the water and the. And the lights and the everything. So there's now a turtle upstairs and an aquarium named Tina the Turtle.

[PFT Commenter]

That's adorable.

[Producer or Co-host]

That's so sweet.

[Aryan]

It is. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

I could figure out the gender of your turtle.

[Aryan]

Let's do it here. I'll send you a video.

[PFT Commenter]

Can you send me a. I need to see a video of the underside pervert. Because I, I thought that I had a male turtle and then we had a wildlife expert on. And he was like, no, that's a female. Told me how you could tell.

[Big T]

How difficult is it to tell?

[PFT Commenter]

I probably, I can try to do it. All I know is that the underside of a, a male turtle is concave.

[Big T]

So it's, it's not apparent.

[PFT Commenter]

No. I would probably need to see like a male and a female next to each other and I could tell which one was the male. But the male, in order to mount the female when they're boning, when they're plowing, has to have the concave shell set. The. This, the top shell of the female turtle fits into it nicely.

[Big T]

Interesting.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

I just sent the video of the turtle to the group chat.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, let me see if I can sex this turtle real quick. Yeah, that's what they call it. Sex and a turtle.

[Big T]

I kind of like him.

[PFT Commenter]

Let's see.

[Aryan]

Well, my daughter is convinced it's a girl, so she called her Tina the turtle. But I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

This might be a female.

[Big T]

How much bigger is it supposed to get?

[Aryan]

Couldn't. Could tell you what big T. I.

[Big T]

Don'T know about turtles because I like it now that it's small, but I, I, I wouldn't want a big turtle.

[Aryan]

What's considered a big turtle, like, that's not a sea turtle. So it ain't gonna get like, it's a box turtle.

[Producer or Co-host]

It'll get like, to the size of my hands.

[Aryan]

They, they googled like, what kind it was and everything and, and they, they figured out how, what kind it was, but I don't remember that.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a very clean turtle.

[Aryan]

She cleaned. She cleaned them or her cleaned them.

[Producer or Co-host]

That's a testament to your toothbrush.

[Aryan]

Hey, telling you what, man. I think I, I think I got the best toothbrush in the game.

[Producer or Co-host]

Sure looks.

[Aryan]

Oh, I found out like, so you're supposed to do it once. You're supposed to change your toothbrush once a month. And I thought it was. You're supposed to change it way more than that.

[Producer or Co-host]

No, I thought it's every three months and you said. Oh, I thought it was way more than that.

[Aryan]

Was it three? Yeah, I thought it was one.

[Big T]

Way more than once a month. That's nuts.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah, no, I think it's every three months. And you Said.

[Big T]

To change your toothbrush way more than once a month.

[Producer or Co-host]

I change mine every three months.

[Aryan]

I change mine like every month.

[PFT Commenter]

Every month. That seems a lot.

[Aryan]

I don't know.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, changing it once a month seems like a lot to me.

[Aryan]

I like, my God. I don't, I don't have like an electrical like where you change the head. I go, there's these oral B that they have. They're already. They come with the vibrator in it and they come in like two packs and they're like, I don't know, $8. Those to me have been my best toothbrushes. The bristles are really hard and stiff and they get the job done really, really well. And so like I'll just like they. I just noticed they wear out and if I feel like, you know, it's not new, I just don't feel like do the job.

[PFT Commenter]

I've got into the water pit.

[Aryan]

But y' all also don't wash your legs, so I don't really.

[PFT Commenter]

I've been scrubbed my feet recently.

[Aryan]

Didn't say about your legs.

[PFT Commenter]

Scrubbing. Scrubbing. Those tootsies almost fell over in the shower the other day. Cuz I scrubbed one foot, then I stood on that foot and it was still a little bit slippery from the soap and I was like, this is.

[Aryan]

Yeah, you got to. You got to like rub it. You got to rub it to get the soap off in order to continue your stand.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I was like, this would be quite a way to die. They just found my body in the shower because I slipped trying to bathe my feet.

[Aryan]

Last thought was fucking Aryan.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep.

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[PFT Commenter]

Are you guys want to talk about the Zizians? Zizian death cult. So there have been three murders and it's ongoing. Right now they're trying to track everybody down. There's been three murders over the course of about two years. And the people involved have been involved in a movement called the Zizians. They call themselves a rationalist movement. So a lot of them are. They heavily are involved in the AI field. They're computer scientists. Many of them are vegan. At least two are transgender. They're being called a death cult because they've been linked to a bunch of murders. But they, they are involved in the rationalist movement. They're obsessed with the mental exercise which we've talked about on the show, Rocco's Basilisk. Remember that one big T?

[Big T]

I remember the name.

[PFT Commenter]

That is, that is the question of if one day there will be an AI overlord that is in charge of governing the world and optimizing the world, and it gets so powerful that it can see back in time, then it could go back in time and punish the people that did not work to make the AI system appear in the first place. Right. So if, if there's an AI system that governs everything and it's like, okay, you have to optimalize the entire world, that also at some point would entail being able to go back in time. And part of optimalizing the world would be to ensure that people that were working to invent it in the first place were able to do so without people that were fighting it. Does that make sense?

[Aryan]

Yes.

[PFT Commenter]

So these people in this death cult are obsessed with that problem. They're led by a 34 year old transgender woman named Ziz. She also calls herself the Sith. And she wears like dark robes and calls herself like the leader of the movement. She is the head of it. She says, as a Sith, I'm religiously required to do whatever I want. And for now, that so happens to include wearing black robes. So she got big back in 2019 because she was talking about philosophical issues, gender theory, trans identity, technology, morality, on her blog called Sincereusly. The blog is offline now. They've taken it down.

[Aryan]

But a cold name.

[PFT Commenter]

Yes. And seriously good name.

[Aryan]

As a dope name.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. So she has a theory that the human brain, obviously we have a left brain and a right brain, and she thinks that the different brains might each have a different gender and they often try to kill each other. She also believes that you can turn half of your brain off to sleep at any given time. So you don't need to fall asleep. You can just. Your right brain will fall asleep for a little bit and then that wakes up and then you can turn your left brain off and that can sleep, but you don't have to actually be asleep with both brains at the same time.

[Big T]

Okay, following. Yeah, the idea.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay. So in November 2019, they drove into the woods in Sonoma county and they blocked the exits from a retreat that were. The retreat was being hosted by a non profit rationalist organization, the center for Applied Rationality. They were dressed up in their hoods, their robes, their masks. They got arrested and they were passing out flyers accusing the center and another Berkeley based rationalist group, the Machine Intelligence Research Institute of betraying them. They said the Machine Institute or the Machine Intelligence Research Institute is violating basic principles of friendliness. Friendliness. They missed the rapidly oncoming global catastrophic threat of fascism. The flyer said trans women were being discriminated against despite being naturally inclined or gifted in the mental tech development. So first and foremost, first and foremost they are, they subscribe to rationalism, but like a weird, distorted, bastardized version of rationalism. And they, it's kind of like ends justify the means and everything that they do has to be in further of developing benevolent artificial intelligence service that will one day come to rule the entire world. So that's how, that's kind of how they think. They believe in timeless decision theory, which is a rationalist belief suggesting human decisions and their effects are mathematically quantifiable. So what they're really good at is committing crimes. They have like this big belief system that they have in place which makes complete sense to them, which is develop AI, protect AI, work to ensure the, the future of AI and everything they do should be in further that goal. But their crimes are just all very personal and at sometimes like haphazard and random in nature. And then they'll go back and they'll defend those crimes by being like, it's because AI because we wanted AI to, to work out. So it kind of reminds me a little bit of the Manson cult where they found a place that they could all stay for not a lot of money. It was with a very elderly landlord out in, in Northern California and they weren't paying much in rent, but then they just decided to stop paying rent. And they were living on this dude's property and they were like two months behind on rent. The landlord came to them, tried to collect and they said no, you can't. If you take money from us, that's less money than that we'll have to spend on AI. So they attacked him with a sword, they cut his eye, they stabbed him through his chest. The guy, the landlord, who was like, I think 82 at the time, responded by shooting two of them, killing one of them, injuring the other. The landlord survived the attack even though he got stabbed through his chest by a samurai sword.

[Big T]

Badass.

[Aryan]

Badass 82.

[PFT Commenter]

Badass dude. Yeah, old guy killed one of them and then there was going to be a trial for the other that ended up getting killed. They were going to charge that guy with murder too because his buddy got killed during this thing. And then that kind of ended up spiraling out of control. So Ziz has been arrested a few.

[Big T]

Times, but then the. The landlord ended up getting killed later. Right?

[PFT Commenter]

Right. So at, at first the landlord killed one of them, but survived the attack. And then when it came time for the trial, I believe the landlord then ended up getting killed because he was the witness.

[Big T]

Right.

[PFT Commenter]

To everything. So their, their rationalism in them was like, well, we need to kill this guy because if he testifies against us, then they will end up sending our people to jail. Then we can't create this AI system down the road. So ends justify the means. Got to kill this guy. The vegan Sith ideology that they prescribe to is basically, it's kind of what it sounds like. Dress up in robes and don't eat any animals whatsoever. So I believe they are all vegan. Yeah, that's one of the things that you have to commit to, to being in this cult of the Zizians. So there's a, a woman named Jessica Taylor, she was a former research fellow at that organization, the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, that the Zizians don't like. Said that she met Loda, which is Zizian's original name, and others who believe in the Ziz theory through the Berkeley rationalist scene around 2016.

[Big T]

This has a whole scene.

[PFT Commenter]

It's. There's a scene of rational.

[Big T]

I mean Berkeley seems like where there would be a scene for this.

[PFT Commenter]

I think Berkeley and Silicon Valley in general, like the tech bros that are trying to. They think that they're living in the year 3000 essentially and they're creating things that will completely change the world and will be able to expand and upload your consciousness to the cloud and all this. I think there's a lot of people that are futurists that subscribe to rationalism, that live in Northern California and these are kind of like the, the Berkeley offshoot of it she said that they adopted the most extreme versions of ideas shared by people in the community. They're just very intense. There's the, the two hemispheres which could, sometimes they describe those as being divided into male and female, but usually non good, single good or double good hemispheres of your brain. So you have like one bad side, one good side. Sometimes you have two bad sides to your brain. But it's very, very rare that a human will have double good where both hemispheres of the brain are good. What do you think Ziz describes herself as? This is very rare. Like nobody has this.

[Big T]

I'm. I'm gonna take a guess that Ziz is double good.

[PFT Commenter]

Ziz is, yes. Which makes her special, which means that she's a leader of the cult. So she argues for enforced altruism towards all living creatures and that you should never surrender.

[Big T]

Yeah, except the ones that we're gonna kill.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, well, those are. If there's somebody that's going to be killed, can you guess what their brain status?

[Big T]

Double bad.

[PFT Commenter]

They're non good. Double non good. Yeah. So it's basically like, whoever she doesn't like non good, bad brains, kill that person.

[Aryan]

Now, does it say how to decipher how one's brain is abled? Like double good, regular good, bad, good bad bad?

[Big T]

Yeah, it's who they decide they don't like.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Just logically, I think you gotta go to Ziz for that question.

[Aryan]

That's what I'm saying. It's like you have to go to the leader and be like, which one am I?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And then since, since this is double good, then Ziz can accurately pick up on those cues and tell them, oh, that person's half. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that a lot of the members of the cult are single good and they have the potential to become double good if they follow.

[Big T]

Everything under the leadership.

[PFT Commenter]

Under the leadership of Ziz. And then if they go against the leadership of Z, then Z will be like, well, you're no longer single good. You might just be non good.

[Big T]

Now that's a list you don't want to find yourself on.

[PFT Commenter]

You definitely do not. Yeah. So they, like I said, they believe that their decisions are mathematically quantifiable. So, like, what you have for breakfast, is that in, in further of our goals? Well, let's see, you had eggs for breakfast. That means that you're harming this number of chickens through how much you paid for the cost of your eggs. And that is a net negative on the world. So now you've. You had a non good breakfast. Oh, you grew your own beans for the last six months and you ate your beans for breakfast. That's. That's good. You're. You have a lot of work to do, but I think now you're single.

[Aryan]

Good.

[PFT Commenter]

So she said that she had a strong impulse to self immolate rather than have sex after her values were forcibly modified by hypothetical collective decision, lending moral legitimacy by allowing the civilization that did it the ability to say, look, things aren't that bad. You're enjoying it. So sounds like maybe asexual Ziz desired that she would rather set herself on fire than have sex. And she was living as an anchor out on a boat in Half Moon Bay when she first met Curtis Lind in 2018 or 2019. So they were just kind of living on a boat in the middle of the water. And then in August 2022, Ziz faked her own death.

[Aryan]

So I always wanted to do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. So how do you go about faking your own death? What have, have you given any thought to how it could be pulled off?

[Aryan]

Have you got to secure your funds? You have to create the scene. Right. And I think you have to have. I think the best would be like an alibi. So like the best way I've seen it done was in the movie Life where two dudes was in the old people home and, and they, they started a fire, but they got two bodies from the morgue. So by the time. And they switched bodies and so by the time the authorities arrived, it was like all these two dudes, they stayed in their bed, got burnt up, unidentifiable. Mm, boom. Out of there and then they could just live the rest of their lives. Something like that. You have to, you have to create a distraction, a diversion and you have to think out where, like how to dispose of or get another body in place of your body.

[PFT Commenter]

I think the, the easiest way would be twins.

[Big T]

That's in. What's the name of that Blake Lively Anna Kendrick movie? Simple Favor. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

It's also in the Night Agent, streaming on it on Netflix.

[Big T]

Have you watched season two?

[PFT Commenter]

No, just season one.

[Big T]

When does that happen? In season one.

[PFT Commenter]

Like one of the main bad guys. He was a twin.

[Big T]

I honestly, I've forgotten. I started to watch season two. It was not, it was not doing it for me.

[PFT Commenter]

I'll say season one, it firmly falls into the category of so bad it's good for me.

[Big T]

I disagree with that.

[Aryan]

But was this the big T?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Big T]

PFT didn't like it, but.

[Aryan]

No, I know.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I watched the entire thing. It's so bad. It's good.

[Big T]

But after watching, I, I, I didn't even finish season two. I only watched the first, like, three, and it just wasn't. It wasn't doing it for me.

[PFT Commenter]

That's what I've heard.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

But, yeah.

[Big T]

Which was very disappointing for me.

[PFT Commenter]

Twin seems like the easiest way to do it. If your twin is killed, then you switch IDs and you're like, oh, that I'm dead. That was my body. But I'd imagine if you're identical twins, somebody will ask that question at some point.

[Big T]

It's got to be an unknown twin.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Secret twin.

[Big T]

Off the, off the beaten path, which is simple. Favor.

[PFT Commenter]

Secret twin. I think, I think a boat is probably a good way to do it too. Because if you're on a boat and you just. They never find your body. They assume that it fell into the ocean, you probably. And then move to a different country. Paying cash seems like a lot of work. It does.

[Big T]

And then it's also, like, a crime. So then if you get caught, like.

[Aryan]

Is it a crime?

[Big T]

I think in order to do it, you have to commit a bunch of crimes, like fraud and all sorts of other stuff.

[Aryan]

What, what's. Though the story appears to be quickly losing steam, we begin to wonder, would it be legal for Andy Kaufman faked his own death?

[PFT Commenter]

Some people said that, yeah, there are.

[Aryan]

No laws against faking your own death.

[Big T]

But to do it correctly, you would have to commit a bunch of crimes.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you'd have to commit fraud. Living under a new name.

[Big T]

Identity theft. You might not like, I guess you could just pretend that you're dead and then change nothing. And you could say you faked your own death.

[Aryan]

Yeah, it can lead to crime, but it's not illegal to do it. You can do it.

[PFT Commenter]

I would say that if you fake your own death and then you just showed up, paid for a plot of land and cash, I mean, you have to fill out paperwork at some point for that, right? Yeah, I guess you could just show up and.

[Aryan]

And you can have an accomplice that agrees to the land. Could be under their name, and you could just live on that land. You have like a, you know, an agreement beforehand. I pay you X amount of dollars. You get this land from under your name. And I live off the land.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, you could do that. Or you could show up at, like, somebody's if they had a ranch and be like, I'll be a ranch hand if you give me A place to stay. Pay me, you know, a thousand bucks a month or whatever. Cash. I'll just stay here on your land. You could probably get away with that way until it came time to fill out any sort of paperwork. So I guess it's not fully impossible.

[Aryan]

Yeah. Tupac's in Cuba, so.

[PFT Commenter]

Good point.

[Big T]

How old is he now?

[Aryan]

He's gotta be in his 50s. 50. He's born in 71, so whatever that.

[Producer or Co-host]

Math is, he'd be turning 54 in June.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[Producer or Co-host]

Same birthday?

[Aryan]

Yeah, June 161.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, really?

[Producer or Co-host]

Yep.

[Aryan]

You got the same birthday as Pac.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. And Phil Mickelson, the Birthday Paradox.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

That's a Mac and Poc Dog out.

[PFT Commenter]

It's a good birthday.

[Aryan]

It's a great birthday.

[Producer or Co-host]

Mine is 6. 16.

[PFT Commenter]

96.

[Producer or Co-host]

It might be the day.

[Aryan]

Yes, he died in 96.

[Big T]

Welcome back.

[Aryan]

Oh, JayZ lied about that, too.

[PFT Commenter]

It's Machiavelli.

[Aryan]

Yeah, Jay Z has a lot about that. He said, I arrived on the day Fred Hampton died. Real niggas just multiply. The reincarnation of Pac, Mac, welcome back, baby.

[Producer or Co-host]

We're just alike. I can totally see it.

[PFT Commenter]

So, yeah, Ziz's idea was to get a bunch of AI researchers to live together. And Ziz's original plan was to have them live on a bunch of boats and kind of off the grid working on AI shit. But that was hard to do. So Ziz found this. This guy that owned a trailer park and said, okay, we're all going to move in here.

[Aryan]

You can.

[PFT Commenter]

Next thing, you'll be our landlord. We're all going to live together on a compound. We're not going to eat animals. We're going to sit around a campfire and I'm going to tell people if they've been good that day. So this guy, his name was Lind and he. He was the landlord, and so they fell behind on rent in 2022, in November, he was attacked. Like I said, he was stabbed multiple times with a sword. He lost his eye because he was threatening to evict them for not paying rent. Ziz was on the property during the incident, got handcuffed by the police, but. But Ziz was never charged. She was taken to a Vallejo police headquarters and. And a homicide investigator said that she faked a medical emergency and was taken by an ambulance to a hospital. So that was the initial attack on Lind. They were living in the trailer. They had box trucks. They had a collection of samurai swords. He would see them all the time, dressed in all black and a lot of them were men that were transitioning to being women. And then they stopped paying rent during the pandemic. So after Lynn took the group to court for back rent, that's when one of them took out a pocket knife, patted the blade while smiling at him. Lynn's daughter said the squatters overtook the property, placing locks on trailers intended for other people. And then 2022, there was the attack. And then Lynn was going to testify against the people that attacked him. He was the only eyewitness. And the trial was going to take place this April. April 2025. And then January 24th at 1am A guy named Maximilian Snider was arrested in Redden, California, saying that Snider lied in weight, laid in weight for Lind with a knife, and they ended up murdering Lynn. So lying in weight is like. I. I didn't realize it, but that's an actual crime. Lying in wait for somebody.

[Big T]

That's the name of the crime.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I mean, there's also murder, but there's, like, additional charges that get tacked on if you lie in wait for somebody.

[Aryan]

Interesting.

[PFT Commenter]

So that shows, like, extreme premeditation and, I guess, the act of surprising somebody. I don't know what it is.

[Big T]

I'm reading an email that that guy, the Maximilian character, sent to AI researcher Eliezer Yadkowski.

[PFT Commenter]

Mm.

[Big T]

And he. So he says, first, I am not one of Ziz's friends, and neither she nor her friends endorse me or my words. So far as I know, I speak only for myself, as myself, for the sake of everyone. This I swear on my laws. With that out of the way, Eleazar, you need to have a crisis of faith about whether animals are people. It is critical to saving the world. Like, these people are out of their. I mean, clearly they're out of their minds. But, like, animals are definitionally not people.

[Aryan]

Right.

[Big T]

I don't. I don't really understand the, like. If you want to, like, say the animals are at risk, that's fine, but, like, we need to. They're people now.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. I don't know. Where do you draw the line with that? Like, are ants people?

[Big T]

And then he says, like, I. I have $6,000. I'm willing to bet against the expected good that would come of you having the crisis of faith on the claim that you will not regret spending at least 24 hours on. This guy's a nut job.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, big time. So. So this guy, Maximilian, he was the one that laid in wait? Actually, the. He was arrested on the 22nd or 24th of January. But the murder took place on January 17th. So he would. Lynn was outside his gated property in Vallejo, and he got stabbed to death by allegedly, Maximilian Snyder because he was gonna be a witness. And then that led to another marriage, or. Excuse me, another. Another murder by somebody who was had at least filed for a marriage certificate to marry Max. So this is somebody named Youngblood. Youngblood has been accused of murder in Vermont and. Which took place shortly thereafter. And Young Blood had applied for a marriage license to marry Snider, but we don't know if they ever actually got married. So they've been on a little bit of a spree. I'm. I'm going to guess that the. The other murder in Vermont, which a. A border guard was shot and killed. They were probably trying to either establish a compound in Vermont or escape to Canada because they were. The block was getting a little bit hot for him, so they had to get out of town. Okay, so there are some other murders that are connected to this group. There was one that took place in Pennsylvania, right outside of Philadelphia. So this one involved Felix Ophelia Baukhold. Felix was a high school student in Germany, and Felix was a national math champion. She won a gold medal at the International Olympiad in Informatics, which is a coding contest. Apparently, it's the most prestigious coding contest in the world for high schoolers. And Felix got a scholarship to study pure mathematics at the University of Waterloo in Canada. Felix interned at Jane Street Capital in New York, which is a trading firm probably seen on a bunch of shows. It's like, one of the most prestigious trading firms, and Felix was a quant there. I love those memes, by the way, where it's like, this is my quant.

[Big T]

Yeah. I don't. I'm almost too afraid to ask at this point because I see it so much, but what is that?

[PFT Commenter]

So if you've watched, like, the Big Short or if you've watched billions, all these traders are like, this is my quant. And the quant is just like somebody behind the scenes that just only looks at spreadsheets and understands math. Really? Really.

[Big T]

Just a math guy.

[PFT Commenter]

Like the next level math person. Yeah. So if somebody says something stupid online, you're like, this is my quant.

[Big T]

Yeah, I've seen those a bunch.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it's. I like the meme. It's a good meme. So Felix was an intern at Jane Street Capital, where she was a quant, and she used mathematical models to identify investment opportunities. And then she worked for Tower Research Capital. Felix was making more than A half million dollars per year juggling a social calendar, and then had an apartment in Jersey City. And that's where her network of friends, many of whom were highly educated transgender women like her, they would meet, they would discuss rationality, they would discuss. It sounds like everybody involved in this. Heavily on the spectrum. Heavily on the spectrum. And then Felix began to retreat from friends and talk on the phone for long periods of time to people that she wouldn't identify. She would take weekend flights to places and she wouldn't talk about what she did there. Then in November 2023, she hopped on a flight from Newark and cut off all contact with her friends. They didn't have any idea where she had gone. She was a transgender woman who was shot fatally on January 20, 2025, after she and another individual, Teresa Youngblood, engaged in a shootout with border patrol agents. And it was after they pulled over Bow Colt's 2015 Prius. And inside that Prius they found a ballistic helmet, night vision goggles, 48 rounds of ammunition used shooting range targets, a dozen electronic devices, cell phones wrapped in aluminum foil, and other other things. And during the traffic stop, there was a woman that was riding the car as well that drew a gun, opened fire on one of the agents, and then one agent shot back. Agent Dave Milan was killed in the gunfight. And they had been surveilling Young Blood and Balcolt since January 14th because there was a person who worked at a hotel in Lindenville, Vermont, where they were staying that saw them dressed in black, tactical clothing, protective equipment. And the employee told officials they observed Young Blood carrying a holstered firearm. Probably not that uncommon in Vermont to see people dressed in, like, tactical gear with guns. There's a bit of that streak going.

[Big T]

On up there, but it's not ridiculously common.

[PFT Commenter]

Not, not ridiculously common, but it was. Whatever was going on was enough to draw attention where it's like, oh, this is not our everyday militia person that lives up here. This is. There's some weird going on. And so, yeah, there was a shootout, A border patrol agent was murdered, and there's also a murder that happened in, in Pennsylvania, a double murder. So this is 20, 23, 72 year old Richard Zycho and 69 year old Rita Zycho were found dead in their home in Chester Heights. Police got called there and they discovered that they had been shot to death on New Year's Eve. And in the days after the highway shooting, the Border agent alerts from a federal agency and police were issued about Michelle Zycho, who was the child of the two that were killed in the Pennsylvania home. In 2021, Michelle Zycho bought a half acre of property in Derby, Vermont for $10,000. Very close to the highway shooting and the land is undeveloped. Zycho is allegedly also known or previously known as Jamie. Jamie Zyko was an associate of Ziz and they suspect that the homicide was to gain several million dollars of inheritance. And police also believe that Ziz is, is involved in that murder. Police also suspect Daniel Blank, another associate of Ziz is involved in the murder. And the cops dropped a picture of 32 year old Michelle Jamie Zycho and a manhunt is underway for her in multiple states. So this is like where the rationalism comes in. It's like they can, they can say we're going to commit a double murder of our family and it's all in the name of like these two people had to die to make AI happen down the road because they've got money and will fund us.

[Big T]

I'm still just not completely understanding these guys mission. So it's like they, they love AI and they want fewer humans, which is, I understand why they recruit a lot of gay and transgender people because they say they are less likely to repopulate the earth. So that's part of it.

[PFT Commenter]

I, I also think it's just, it is a standard cult. Like everything that they do is like very, it's common amongst all cults and they are recruiting people who are lost and probably very autistic because they can appeal to them with the idea of the rationalism where they're like, okay, you have to do X, Y and Z in order to make the world a better place. Like that you can mathematically quantify. Every human life equals this for the future. Every human, Every human life doing good equals this for the future gives us a higher probability of surviving. But really it's just, it's. We're going to murder people who are personal inconveniences to us because we don't feel like paying rent, we're broke, we don't have any money. So you're going to kill your parents.

[Big T]

I'm not going back to college to be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber One for students. It saves you on Uber and UberEats. I'm there for zero dollar delivery fee on cheeseburgers, up to 10 off smoothies and 6% Uber credits back rides. Just to be clear, I'm there for savings, not whatever you think college is for.

[PFT Commenter]

Get Uber one for students A membership.

[Aryan]

To save on Uber.

[Producer or Co-host]

And Uber eats with deals this good.

[PFT Commenter]

Everyone wants to be a student.

[Producer or Co-host]

Join for just $4.99 a month. Savings may vary eligibility and member terms apply.

[Aryan]

I see this, and I'm like, I'm with y'. All. Right? It's like, this is. Wow. But like this. This template is very prevalent in all aspects of our lives. So, like that. So I know you won't agree with this big T, but I see the same. Like, religion is very similar to this, right? Like their whole. Their whole thing is they want to sacrifice, right? There has to be a sec to end. Justify the means. When you read the stories in the Bible, it's the exact same thing. The ends justify the means. And there was murder and Jesus. The. The. The. The wiping out of an entire civilization. Same vibes, like US Foreign policy. Same vibes. And it just baffles me that we can view this as a society as batshit crazy, but not everything else that we do.

[Big T]

Wait, wait, wait. Run that back for me again.

[Aryan]

Their ends justify their means.

[Big T]

Okay.

[Aryan]

The religion that you're in, those ends justify its means.

[Big T]

What ends and what means?

[Aryan]

Okay, you believe Jesus was murdered, right?

[Big T]

Yeah, kind of.

[Aryan]

Kind of?

[Big T]

Well, he did it willingly, but yes, go.

[Aryan]

Those ends justified those means.

[Big T]

Okay, but that was something you said religion as if it's something that's occurring now. Those are things that happened 2,000 years ago.

[Aryan]

Well, the origins of it, it's like. So when I'm. When I'm listening to this cult, right? And I'm not saying religion is a cult, I think there's a few distinct differences, but it's. It's very similar. It's like, just very similar to me. Like, the justification and the rationalization of it is indistinguishable for me.

[Big T]

And so from what though they believe.

[Aryan]

That they're doing the correct thing, right?

[Big T]

The. Okay, religion killing people, though, so did God.

[Aryan]

He wiped out a civilization.

[Big T]

Yes, but. But you. When you say religion, that makes it sound like you're talking about, like, people following a religion right now.

[Aryan]

No. Yes. Is that not the origins of Christianity?

[Big T]

Yes, but you're.

[Aryan]

I'm trying to better. This is my. My. I guess my. And not to bring it to religion, but it's just hearing is fascinating to me because it's exact. So the US Government is aiding. We'll take it out of religion. Right? Because I feel like it's. You can't box with God, right. U.S. for the U.S. foreign policy is currently killing people right now. Would you agree or Disagree with that.

[Big T]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

The ends justify the means. This, it's the same.

[Big T]

That. That is necessary to the. No, listen. That's what they would say, I guess, but it's objectively incorrect.

[Aryan]

It's not. You would call it. You would call it. What's the euphemism for murder in foreign policy? It's. Fuck. What is it called?

[PFT Commenter]

Collateral damage.

[Aryan]

Collateral damage. You would call it collateral damage. Tens of thousands of people are gone, murdered, and you're saying that's just part of it? They're doing the exact same thing. They're saying that's just part of it. And for the life of me, I cannot understand how rational people can look at this and say it's batshit crazy and not look at everything else that went on.

[Big T]

But I do think. Go back to religion. Tell me what that's like in religion now. You're saying, like God punishing people and killing them a long time ago. That's. That's not the same.

[Aryan]

You're differentiating God then from God now and his words, not mine. I'm a. I'm a never. I, I never change. My word is forever.

[Big T]

No, no, no, no. These people are not God. You said they. What they're doing you.

[Aryan]

This is what I'm saying. You, in your brain, you're saying the rationalization of God murdering people is moral and you're saying the rationalization of them murdering people is immoral. I'm saying it's both immoral. But your religion has convinced you that that murder was moral.

[Big T]

Okay, no, no, no. I guess what I'm hung up on is you said you, you compared them to religious followers. Is that incorrect?

[Aryan]

Well, in a sense, yes. No.

[Big T]

Okay, so then, so then that's the distinction I need. How are they the same as.

[Aryan]

Okay, I'll tell you. Is. Is. Did the origins of Christianity, did or did not God wipe out a civilization including babies?

[Big T]

Yes. So you're, you're really hung up on, like, murder.

[Aryan]

I. I am.

[Big T]

No, I don't think you're.

[Aryan]

Okay, you're. You're differentiating now from then, and I'm saying there's no difference. If, if, if I was to tell.

[Big T]

You, differentiating a God punishing people thousands of years ago to these random people.

[Aryan]

If, If I was to tell you. If I was to tell you I have this new thing and I want you to follow.

[Big T]

I got it, I got it, I got it. Because here's. You're comparing them to God and that's fine.

[Aryan]

You.

[Big T]

But you said it's like the Followers of a religion. So that's what I need you to tell me. How they're the same.

[Aryan]

The rules.

[Big T]

So a Christian who says, like, I believe the Bible, I want to live my life this way. I want to make sacrifices in my life to worship God. Tell me how that's the same as them.

[Aryan]

If you believe in the Bible, you believe that your God has wiped out babies.

[Big T]

Okay, so that.

[Aryan]

I think that's immoral. If you believe in this ZZ chick, you believe that she has wiped out him and Bent and. But it. But you believe her. Her justification, her rationalization was. It was.

[PFT Commenter]

It was.

[Aryan]

Her rationalization was justified by her end goal, which was to. I assume it's double good because her brain is double good.

[PFT Commenter]

I.

[Aryan]

You think God's brain is double good?

[Big T]

To get. But it doesn't work.

[Aryan]

I know. I know it doesn't. This is. This is so. When a. But that's why I interject it. Because it's fascinating to me how you differentiate. Like, the way you think about this ZZ chick is the way I think about the Abrahamic gods. They're ravenous murderers. You admit that. But you think God's brain is double good. That's the difference. I think it's nonsense. But you think God's brain is double good. You've been convinced that his brain is double good. So you think a baby that has made no decisions on its own was justified in being wiped out.

[Big T]

I. I see where you're trying to go, but it doesn't. I would say this. If you were talking about, like, Islam. I would say it doesn't work.

[Aryan]

It. Does it. I use Christianity just because you're a Christian. But it goes the same with Islam. Muhammad, absolutely. Be wedded, an underage girl. That's. That's moral.

[Big T]

I just. I need you to.

[Aryan]

You're. You are justifying immoral acts.

[Big T]

No, I. I see what you're. I see where. Where you're trying to get to.

[Aryan]

Yeah. You justifying immoral acts because you believe the purveyor of those acts has a. A righteous cause. That cult justifies immoral acts because they believe the owner. I'm sorry. The. The purveyor of those on immoral acts has a justified cause. It is akin. But you. In your eyes, it's moral. In their eyes, it's moral too. Most people don't believe they're bad people. Like most bad people don't believe they're bad people. They believe in the causes that they're doing, the things that they're doing. They think this is justified. And I'm not saying you're out committing murders. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying the following of it is very similar. You're unconvinced of that, obviously, or else you wouldn't follow it. But that's, that's why I don't follow it or wouldn't follow it. It's, it's, it's, it's a fascinating.

[Big T]

I think the, like a cognitive dissonance. I think the. No, it isn't, because I, I said. I see where you're, what you're saying the distinction is the events you're talking about happened thousands and thousands of years ago and there have since been hundreds of generations of people. These people are like. They are the whole thing.

[Aryan]

No, that's what I'm saying, though. You're differentiating the God of the Old Testament and saying it's different now. It's not per his words, not mine. He said that he. His morality has never changed.

[Big T]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

[Aryan]

Is that what you're saying?

[Big T]

I promise you don't because you just repeated it back to me and it wasn't what I was saying. I'm probably doing a poor job of, of saying it, but that's not what I'm saying.

[Aryan]

Okay, tell me, Tell me if I'll still marry you. Tell me if this is correct or incorrect. You're saying the people now that are following this cult are doing the bad acts and justifying the bad act.

[Big T]

There's nothing to follow.

[Aryan]

Still manning.

[Big T]

They're just doing it.

[Aryan]

No, there is. She has a whole doctrine. They have, they have a. They have an angle. The reason why they're doing what they're doing.

[PFT Commenter]

They look at life through the lens of the trolley problem, which is the trolley. If you're not familiar with that, it is like a thought experiment where there's a trolley that's going down the street and the, the track divides into two different intersection. So you can choose to go left, you can choose to go right. If, if the trolley continues going on the track that it is currently on, it's going to run over and kill five people. But you as a bystander on the side, you have the ability to pull lever, make the trolley divert from that path, take a different path so it doesn't run over the five people and instead runs over one person that's standing on the track. What do you do? What, what is the, what is the trolley problem like? What do what do you do with that? That's what kind of like, it's part of the belief of the Unabomber. He was killing people in order to make a point and to gain traction with his beliefs that the world is going down an unsustainable path and it will result in the death of millions or billions of people if we keep going down this path. So if you kill one advertising executive, then then that's fine if it's in promotion of this further cause. So the rationalists, they subscribe to this idea. It's like, yeah, you should always kill that one person. But it's also a false dichotomy that you don't necessarily know what's going to happen is going to result in the death of like all these people. You just are that into your own belief system that you believe that you're right in.

[Aryan]

Dad, I, I a thousand percent agree. I just think that let's say the Unabomber 100 years from now starts to develop a cult following, right? And then they start to look at his manifesto and they start to read his doctrines, read his words. A thousand years from now, there's a group of people that believe he was, let's say somebody puts in the air that he was divine, right? Then they start to believe that over the years his words and the justifications of what he did would far exceed the horrid acts that he committed.

[PFT Commenter]

Right. It's just in this case, it's a God. Replace God with an AI that doesn't yet exist.

[Aryan]

Yes. And so to my, so to my point, it's not, I'm not saying what I'm. What I'm basically saying is the time has not passed enough for people to, I guess, fall in line with these, you know, the, this, this line of thinking that they're subscribing to. But given time, I, I find it, I find it odd that people can't see that this is very similar to the origins of any religion because there's. We, we have zero evidence of divinity, right? And so that is the claim to faint to like modern major religions. And I think that people suspend their rationality when it comes to their belief system. And.

[Big T]

So do you, do you think there's a difference in like someone who goes to church that you would, you would describe as being like a good person, tries to, to do good and live biblically. And then these people. Or you see no difference in them?

[Aryan]

Them? I see no difference in their rationale. I see a difference in the way that they, I think the Majority of religious people don't read the text that they subscribe to. I think the majority of them don't care to see, to see it as. They're like absolutist or, or what is it called? Literalist. They're not Bible literalists or Quranic literalists. I think most people just need like a baseline and a guideline of how to live life. That's how I see most religious people. But I think there are people like that who want to change the laws and want to live in a theocracy. I think there are people like that, and I think those people are not far off from these people. The rationale is the same. That's my point. The rationale is the same like your rationale and their rationale is the same. I just don't think you care enough about it.

[Big T]

Boiling down the word word rationale to just like believing in anything.

[Aryan]

No, rationale, it deals with logic and reasoning. Your reasoning for believing in your religion is very similar to their reasoning and believing in zz. It's very similar.

[Big T]

No, it isn't.

[Aryan]

How.

[Big T]

Because if you're speaking about Christianity in particular, the logic in that is based in 2000 years of, of tradition and beliefs and stories and things like that. Whereas this is people who met a guy who said like, who said a couple things that they agree with that are nuts, and then they're like, we should go kill people. Those are not the same.

[Aryan]

You're, you're describing the origins of Christianity. People who met a guy who said some things. That is literally the origin.

[Big T]

The difference is that was a long time ago and we have people saying these things happened. Here's what this guy did, so on and so forth, collected into a group of writings. And then you can choose to do with that whatever you want. This guy is just. They're just going around killing people. Those are not. I. You can say that the, the basis of the rationality is similar if you want to, but they're not the same in nature.

[PFT Commenter]

You're.

[Aryan]

You're speaking in degrees. The degree of it. So you're saying. Because it's, it's, it's. It's stood the test of time, the odds of it being accurate probably are higher than this new one. I don't disagree with.

[Big T]

That is part of it.

[Aryan]

I don't disagree with that. But what I'm saying is the rationale for belief. I'm not saying. And that. That is a part of the equation. I'm saying that you're right. The baseline of the rationale of that belief is the same. It's a guy who said things that we don't have much evidence of their claims and we believe and we believe and subscribe to them. So by your logic, Islam is as. As or. Or Judaism is as logical or rational to believe in as Christianity.

[Big T]

Well, they're differentiators about that that make that not the case. But more than this, that's what I'm saying.

[PFT Commenter]

You would use your.

[Aryan]

The same rationale and that same logic to differentiate Christianity and Islam. But all that is the exact same rationale because there's no definitive evidence. And it's. It's fast.

[PFT Commenter]

Like I said, I don't want to.

[Aryan]

Get too caught up in it. But it's a fascinating aspect to me. It's all good.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay, so this is the. It is their religion which is do everything in service of this unavoidable AI that will come about one day and that will someday rule the world and that will be our God. And they're. They're a sick mindset. They. They believe it. And right now, Ziz is on the lam right now. So Ziz was in a hotel room with the guy that murdered the parents and they found Ziz who pretended to be dead. Just closed. I don't know whether to call Ziz her or him or they or whatever. I'm just going to call Ziz because all the names get confusing. But Ziz was laying on the ground pretending to be asleep or pretending to be dead when the cops barged in that hotel room. They put Ziz in handcuffs, charged Ziz with disorderly conduct, a bunch of other stuff. This was a person of an interest in that double murder, but ultimately was never charged with murder. And then Ziz has just skipped bail and is gone right now and nobody knows where this is. My prediction is that this is all going to end in everybody in that group just offing themselves or some sort of shootout. They got higher on their own supply. I can see that led them down a bad path.

[Aryan]

Not a good thing, man.

[PFT Commenter]

But I don't know. I. Ziz is. Has like a very firm control over everybody that's in the cult. So this is. Will make them do whatever this wants them to do. Just don't join a cult.

[Aryan]

Pretty. Pretty standard op right there.

[PFT Commenter]

Just don't do. Yeah. If you, if you find yourself in a position where you're not telling your family what you're up to and you're going off the grid because this one person has all the answers, maybe start to think about that and be like, hey, this might not be that productive.

[Aryan]

Telltale sign you're entering a cult or you're starting to get into cultist stuff is they tell you they cut you off from your family. They tell you to. To cut off. Cut off your friends and family. If people are telling you to do that, you got to reevaluate your belief system.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. All right. Anything else we want to talk about with the Zizians? My computer's going crazy right now. Oh, no.

[Aryan]

What happens when you try to hydrate it, bro?

[Producer or Co-host]

The Flash IV is making it flash.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, Computers don't like flight. Maybe the Zizzy's be pissed off at me for that. For destroying technology with hydration, with electrolytes.

[Aryan]

Oh, no.

[PFT Commenter]

Yep. All right, that's fine. I'll try to get it fixed. Maybe just steal a computer before I go.

[Producer or Co-host]

You're going on vacation?

[PFT Commenter]

I'm going on vacation.

[Aryan]

It.

[PFT Commenter]

Vacation time. If I get out of here with the snow. We'll see.

[Aryan]

Where are you going with the.

[PFT Commenter]

On vacation? I'm going. I'm gonna be an island boy. What happened to those guys?

[Producer or Co-host]

I know, right?

[Aryan]

Exactly. What should have happened to them? Dudes?

[PFT Commenter]

What are they up to these days?

[Aryan]

Who cares?

[PFT Commenter]

Weren't they like each other?

[Aryan]

What?

[Big T]

What?

[Aryan]

They're like. They're like brothers, ain't it?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they were like each other.

[Big T]

I just searched island boys on Twitter. Don't do that.

[PFT Commenter]

Okay.

[Big T]

Don't do that.

[Aryan]

Well, now I gotta do it.

[PFT Commenter]

Were they each other?

[Big T]

Not each other necessarily. That's the first result. The first. Look at this.

[PFT Commenter]

Straight up porn. His back shots.

[Aryan]

Oh, they're kissing. Wait, is that. Is that a mirror or is they actually.

[Producer or Co-host]

They haven't kissed yet.

[Big T]

Don't search island boys.

[PFT Commenter]

Big T. Just show me a pure. Appeared to be one of the island boys with. With a female.

[Big T]

Right. But then below that was the stuff with each other. So just don't. Oh, save yourself time.

[PFT Commenter]

Ah.

[Aryan]

That'S in my. It's in my algorithm.

[PFT Commenter]

Now the piling boys looks like.

[Aryan]

Oh, speaking of wild peep. Kanye's. Kanye's two day long rant at all.

[PFT Commenter]

I. Yeah, I saw some of it. There was a extended portion of time where he was just posting hardcore porn.

[Aryan]

Yeah, he was poor. He was like. Just like porn. Like poor. And the funny part is I remember when he was doing his Yay, nausea Sunday service. Jesus is king. Put a pin mark in the Sunday service. But when he was doing his Jesus king, he was like slandering modern rap, saying it was like devil music and they want you to be this and that. And then all of a sudden this years remove his posting like real life porn. He used to be against porn too.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

But who was it? He was. I forget who it was. I read it a while back. But basically the Sunday services was a tax evasion thing and somebody was funding it. Yeah, it was just, it was just for tax evasion.

[PFT Commenter]

How was that?

[Aryan]

Which was trash. I forget the, the details of it.

[Producer or Co-host]

Because it operated as a church, so it was exempt from taxes. And so then he could do everything through the church business wise. Apparently that's what the Jenner Kardashians, I guess that's one of their little loopholes is that things just operate through a tax exempt something.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, usually the people that, that are so anti porn, that make that like a public thing of being anti porn, they're the ones that have a, a massive porn problem.

[Aryan]

Yeah, just like the, the, the, the pedophile stuff. If you like too hardcore on it. Like, I would check that dude's hard drive. The gay, the gay bashing. Yeah, I would check that dude's text messages.

[PFT Commenter]

Because if you're like, if you're out there saying what a problem porn is and how it's like corrupting everybody's brain, I do think that there's some truth into like kids being able to watch porn so easily as a kid, As a child, kind of up their whole perception of what healthy sex is. But the people who are like, yeah, it's, it's the worst thing and it will lead to unimaginable corruption. That's just because they've experienced their own brain like getting unimaginably corrupt by watching porn.

[Aryan]

So I don't 100 believe in free speech. No, because by definition the US Supreme Court said porn was free speech. And so no, I think it's, I think some things need to be regulated though.

[PFT Commenter]

So. Yeah, Kanye is, he's, he's on one right now. What else was he saying? He was sold those shirts.

[Aryan]

He said. He said what?

[Producer or Co-host]

He was selling those shirts.

[PFT Commenter]

What shirts was.

[Aryan]

Yeah, a shirt with a swastika in it. So Shopify took his link down, so you can't see it anymore, but he took down all his merchandise and just the only thing you could buy on there was a shirt with a swastika on it. He said, I am a Nazi. Like very bold and plain. Like I was one of his tweets. And he said, he said Hitler was so fresh.

[Producer or Co-host]

Okay, now I'm gonna ask a question. Is this do we think this is the result of him being off of, like, a medication?

[PFT Commenter]

I'd say probably.

[Big T]

He said many years ago, you've never seen nothing crazier than me off the Lexapro. Very clear about it.

[PFT Commenter]

So true. I think. I think he's not mentally well, and I think the. The laughing gas is probably not. Not helping anything.

[Producer or Co-host]

I mean, we talked about that on here before. Doesn't that just basically melt your brain?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, it probably also, like, he's got some issues that were there to begin with. Probably makes those a lot worse.

[Aryan]

Yeah. I wouldn't surprise me if he's bipolar. Like, he has manic episodes, so he comes in these waves. So he'll. He'll start an apology tour in some months, which he did last time. And this one was heavily, like, against, you know, anti Jew. Well, he has. He had some choices.

[PFT Commenter]

It's also hard for him to. To justify, like, I'm taking back the symbol of peace, the Hindu symbol of peace. When you were following up with I am a Nazi, Hitler was so fresh.

[Aryan]

Yeah. I don't even think he. I don't think he even proclaimed that's what he was doing. I think he just liked Nazis. He likes Nazis and he, like. Because I think they were so anti Jewish. And he is, like, anti Jewish. Like, And I wasn't sure if he's more like. Because there are people who are anti Zionist. I don't even think he's anti Zionist. I think he's just, like, anti Jew.

[PFT Commenter]

I'm not going to say what kind of doctor he was.

[Aryan]

Money. It's one of the first clips.

[PFT Commenter]

It was a Jewish doctor.

[Aryan]

It was a Jewish doctor. Then he started going in on fat women.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yes.

[Aryan]

He started going in on fat people in general. Dog that.

[Producer or Co-host]

He doesn't want to see them in clothes, let alone without clothes on. And.

[Aryan]

Yep. Like, going hard, hard in the pain. I was like, yo, this is wild.

[PFT Commenter]

So, like, dabbling in eugenics, too.

[Producer or Co-host]

I don't think this is dabbling.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. Just full on.

[Producer or Co-host]

Yeah. But then also, like Kim Kardashian seeing this, like, what do you do about that, being the father of your children?

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. How do you. How do you keep them away when he's going through these episodes and like.

[Producer or Co-host]

North Northwest, the oldest is, like, obsessed with him. Like, she loves Kanye.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

That. That's the. One of the only instances I would say you got to get the law involved. You Very rarely. I feel like you should handle family issues in the courts. I think the court systems are cesspools. But in this instance, you have to take action because, yeah, I believe every parent should have time with their kids. But you are a threat. You're a. A threat. Not harm to the children, like physically, but mentally. Like you're unwell, though.

[Producer or Co-host]

So like, you can't take care of children in that state of mind.

[Aryan]

I don't think so. And that's. I mean, it's tough because you're telling a father not to spend time with their daughter and son. But like, like you, you can't. You can't do this. Like, this is. It's a. I think he's sick. I think he's unwell. So I hope he gets to help your needs, man. But he put out a fire ass song not too long ago, though. That's the bad thing is, like when he's mentally unwell, his music be dope.

[PFT Commenter]

The judge like you, you have to. Instead of going to prison, you just have to stay in a recording studio.

[Aryan]

Make beats for the general public. That's your community service.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Yeah. No, he put out. It was a dope. It was dope visual too. It was. It was basically talking about like the cosmetic nature of our society. It's fired up. Beat was fire. But that man. Something wrong with that man.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah.

[Aryan]

Hope you all right.

[PFT Commenter]

All right. Anything else we want to get into today?

[Big T]

Rough and rowdy's official.

[PFT Commenter]

Is it official? Yeah, it just came out.

[Aryan]

Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

What does it say?

[Big T]

It says it's going to be John Rocker against Patrick Mahomes senior.

[PFT Commenter]

Oh, no way. That's. That's a crazy matchup. Big T. Yeah.

[Producer or Co-host]

I'm just hearing this. This information for the first time.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah. What is this? What is this information? Yeah, I. I'm excited to see what happens, man.

[Aryan]

What a crazy about to get his ass whooped.

[PFT Commenter]

What a crazy matchup.

[Aryan]

He looked frail, man. I think this video and John Rocker, they was amping it a little bit. Yeah, they about to get pound. Unless he just got super duper hands. I don't see this going well for.

[PFT Commenter]

Because I don't know, John Rocker is a. He looks like he's in pretty good shape right now.

[Aryan]

Look, big man. Which don't necessarily correlate to hands. That's true. So I'm saying I done seen some big dudes get dropped for sure, but I hope he got some. I hope he got them. Hope he got them things in order. Man, you better throw them mittens.

[PFT Commenter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Aryan]

Maybe it.

[PFT Commenter]

Maybe it's like popcorn muscles. Maybe he's just got that trt, like steroid body.

[Aryan]

I had a homeboy and I grew up with this. Had the sweetest hands I've ever seen in my life. We talking about of non boxers Mayweather fast like fast skinny dude. Skinny dude. Skinny frail boy. I seen him put some people that hands was so fast dog it was crazy. So I'm hoping, hoping Pat senior got something like that. Man. I don't know. Yeah.

[PFT Commenter]

Just an absolutely bonkers matchup. Never in a million years did I think that we'd be doing Patrick Mahomes John Rocker.

[Aryan]

That's a while. It's a wild thing.

[PFT Commenter]

All right, well we will see you guys next week on nano dosing and macro dosing. Happy President's day. Coming up this weekend to all the presidents who listen to the show, happy Valentine's day. Happy Valentine's day. Don't forget about Valentine's day. Aryan locked in Friday, Valentine's day. Make sure to celebrate. All right, we'll see you guys next week. Love you guys.