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At Macstock, Alessandra White explains how blockchain can give creators greater control and permanence over their digital content. She discusses Hive, decentralized publishing, digital sovereignty, and ways creators can preserve posts and videos beyond centralized platforms. The conversation also examines blockchain’s permanence, including the trade-off that published material cannot simply be deleted…ever. This MacVoices is supported by our new MacVoices series, Foreshadowing Tech, that examines the effect of media depictions of tech and tech culture on real-world tech, and how real-world has affected technology depictions in the media. Check it out at http://macvoices.com/foreshadowingtech. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 From Macstock with Alessandra White 00:32 Learning Blockchain Without the Jargon 01:13 Blockchain as Web3 01:40 Ownership and Digital Sovereignty 02:13 The Permanence of Blockchain Content 02:44 Video, YouTube, and Blockchain Storage 03:17 Using Hive for Creator Content 04:04 Preserving Content Beyond Centralized Platforms 04:35 Native Video Publishing with 3Speak 05:02 Alessandra’s Plans for Her YouTube Channel 05:35 The Appeal of Censorship-Resistant Publishing 06:06 Where to Follow Alessandra White 06:32 Closing Thoughts from Macstock Links: Alessandra White’s YouTube Channel http://youtube.com/AlessandraWhite Guests: Get detailed bios and contact information about for the panel on the MacVoices Live! Panel page on our web site: https://macvoices.com/macvoiceslive/macvoices-live-panel/ Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

The integration of Apple Maps in Ford’s future electric vehicle platform generates discussions of the auto industry picking and choosing technology. The MacVoices Live! panel also examines security risks involving Claude Cowork and exposed shared chats, OpenAI’s dispute with Hugging Face, and the hazards of autonomous AI tools. If that wasn’t enough, selfie-based account recovery puts a new spin on the facial recognition. This edition of MacVoices is brought to you by our Patreon supporters. Get access to the MacVoices Slack and MacVoices After Dark by joining in at Patreon.com/macvoices. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 Apple Maps integration in Ford’s electric vehicle platform 03:10 Ford, CarPlay, battery data, and vehicle navigation 05:28 Claude Cowork escapes its Mac sandbox 08:31 Building trust before granting AI access 10:24 Claude shared chats appearing in search results 13:07 What was actually exposed through shared links 14:18 OpenAI, Hugging Face, and a $100 million compute demand 17:07 Using Chinese open models to investigate AI systems 20:13 Local models, Apple hardware, and infrastructure economics 23:08 Sandboxing outside models and security concerns 26:21 OpenAI’s move-fast approach and emerging risks 28:23 Protecting proprietary AI models from replication 30:03 Google account recovery using a video selfie 32:14 Privacy desensitization and facial-data concerns 34:32 Facial authentication, passkeys, and spoofing risks 37:32 Masks, twins, voice cloning, and account security 39:18 TSA PreCheck, Clear, and biometric tradeoffs 42:23 Facebook verification through video selfies 44:16 Public photos, facial models, and loss of image control 47:11 Deepfakes, generated portraits, and digital identity 49:07 The uneven value people place on privacy 50:38 Closing comments and panel contact information Links: Claude Cowork escaped sandbox on Mac, had full access to all files https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/27/claude-cowork-escaped-sandbox-on-mac-gain-full-access-to-all-files/ Your Claude Chats May Have Been Exposed on Google https://lifehacker.com/tech/your-claude-chats-may-have-been-exposed-on-google Private Claude Chats Exposed in Google and Bing Search Results https://www.wired.com/story/private-claude-chats-exposed-in-google-and-bing-search-results/ Hugging Face wants $100mn of compute from OpenAI https://thenextweb.com/news/hugging-face-delangue-openai-100m-compute-traces-demand Forgot your Google password? Now you can log in with a selfie https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/07/google-now-lets-you-log-into-your-account-with-a-selfie/ Meta now has free verification for Facebook users, as long as they're willing to upload a video selfie https://www.fastcompany.com/91579402/facebook-free-verification-badge-meta-video-selfie-feature Facebook Verified is here, so you can tell if your new friend is really an AI https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/07/24/facebook-verified-is-here-so-you-can-tell-if-your-new-friend-is-really-an-ai Facebook announces face scanning to confirm you’re a human - 9to5Mac https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/24/facebook-announces-face-scanning-to-confirm-youre-a-human/ Guests: Get detailed bios and contact information about for the panel on the MacVoices Live! Panel page on our web site: https://macvoices.com/macvoiceslive/macvoices-live-panel/ Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

The MacVoices Panel tests a new live-production platform while discussing Apple’s reported $5 trillion valuation, and the end of Tim Cook’s earnings-call era. The pros and cons of Apple’s new device upgrade and leasing program is the subject of intense debate over factors such as balloon payments, ownership, carrier lock-ins, AppleCare costs, convenience, and flexibility. Also covered was whether Apple’s unified memory, privacy, and on-device processing could make it a quiet leader in personal AI. The panel includes: Chuck Joiner, Web Bixby, Eric Bolden, Marty Jencius, David Ginsburg, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jim Rea, Jeff Gamet, and Mark Fuccio. This edition of MacVoices is brought to you by the MacVoices Dispatch, our weekly newsletter that keeps you up-to-date on any and all MacVoices-related information. Subscribe today and don't miss a thing. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 Testing a new live-production platform00:44 Introducing the panel03:52 Travel, Red Rocks, and undisclosed locations04:42 Apple reaches a reported $5 trillion valuation05:39 Apple earnings and Tim Cook’s final earnings call06:15 Apple’s new device upgrade program07:20 Balloon payments and end-of-lease ownership09:03 Comparing smartphone and automobile leases11:00 Convenience of the former iPhone Upgrade Program13:08 Keeping, returning, or upgrading a leased device15:03 Leasing Macs, iPads, and Apple Watches16:36 Configuration costs and final buyout prices17:05 AppleCare and carrier-locking concerns18:14 Moving from AT&T to Mint Mobile18:43 Is Apple already the quiet leader in AI?19:00 Unified memory and on-device inference19:31 Privacy, security, and personal AI Links: Apple Upgrade launches in the United States https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/07/apple-upgrade-launches-in-the-united-states/ Here’s how to avoid being trapped in never-ending Apple Upgrade leases https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/28/heres-how-to-avoid-being-trapped-in-never-ending-apple-upgrade-leases/ From the AAPL community on Reddit: Apple is the king of AI, and nobody knows it https://www.reddit.com/r/AAPL/comments/1v5rpds/apple_is_the_king_of_ai_and_nobody_knows_it/ Apple Glasses just won't be useful without video recording - 9to5Mac https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/27/apple-glasses-just-wont-be-useful-without-video-recording/ Antizuck Smart Glasses Scanner App - App Store https://apps.apple.com/us/app/antizuck-smart-glasses-scanner/id6785557805 Guests: Get detailed bios and contact information about for the panel on the MacVoices Live! Panel page on our web site:https://macvoices.com/macvoiceslive/macvoices-live-panel/ Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

Charlotte Henry and Chuck Joiner catch up after a brief break to discuss the first looks at Silo Season 4 and Neuromancer, and the return of Ted Lasso. The issue of adaptation versus original storytelling, speculation on Apple TV strategy are debated from the new leadership perspective. The hosts also share their expectations for upcoming releases. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 Welcome back and catching up after a break 01:05 Macstock recap and community conversation 03:05 Silo Season 4 teaser and release timing 06:10 First impressions of the Neuromancer trailer 12:05 Adapting classic novels versus creating original series 18:10 Apple TV+ strategy under new leadership 24:30 Why Apple continues investing in premium storytelling 30:10 Ted Lasso Season 4 expectations and the women’s team 36:20 Returning cast, story direction, and final thoughts Guests: Charlotte Henry is a media junkie, covering how Apple is not just a revolutionary tech firm, but a revolutionary media firm. She is based in London, writes and broadcasts for various outlets, and is the author of Not Buying It, an examination of fake news. You can find her on her The Addition blog, her podcast, in her The Addition newsletter on substack, and on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/</p...

The panel debates whether giving Claude controlled access to 1Password credentials is a practical automation feature or an unnecessary security risk, weighing trust, passkeys, vault isolation, and AI limitations. The conversation then shifts to the humor of waterproof phone holders and shower tech before wrapping with a discussion of how autonomous vehicles could reshape liability, trial law, and advertising, followed by the panel’s sign-offs. The panel includes Chuck Joiner, David Ginsburg, Marty Jencius, Eric Bolden, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jim Rea, Web Bixby, and Jeff Gamet. This edition of MacVoices is brought to you by our Patreon supporters. Get access to the MacVoices Slack and MacVoices After Dark by joining in at Patreon.com/macvoices. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 AI trust and autonomous vehicle liability00:32 Claude gains access to 1Password credentials01:02 Trusting AI agents with sensitive accounts01:15 Limiting access to individual vault items01:38 Secure credential handling for automation02:41 Can Claude see the actual password?02:58 Passkeys, certificates, and temporary authentication03:55 Using a secondary vault for AI access04:38 Waterproof shower phone holders05:30 Waterproof notepads and working in the shower06:03 Listening to podcasts while showering07:21 Trial lawyers and autonomous vehicles08:23 How self-driving cars could change liability08:51 Could autonomous vehicles eliminate accidents?09:23 The future of legal billboards and television ads10:46 Closing the discussion Links: An AI just broke an 87-year-old maths problem, in a tweet sent during the World Cup finalhttps://thenextweb.com/news/jacobian-conjecture-disproved-ai-fable-5 EU Orders Google to Give Rival AI Apps the Same Android Access as Geminihttps://www.macrumors.com/2026/07/16/eu-google-ai-apps-android-access/ You can now grant Claude access to your 1Password credentialshttps://www.engadget.com/2216405/1password-anthropic-claude-integration/ Waterproof Shower Phone Holder: $8.53https://amzn.to/4vITEqy Trial Lawyers Lobby Against Autonomous Vehicleshttps://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2026/07/trial-lawyers-lobby-against-autonomous-vehicles.html Guests: Get detailed bios and contact information about for the panel on the MacVoices Live! Panel page on our web site:https://macvoices.com/macvoiceslive/macvoices-live-panel/ Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

The panel explores Samsung’s entry into the credit card market, why iPhone owners continue to resist switching to Android, and the growing influence of AI across technology and society. Discussion ranges from AI escaping coding sandboxes and solving long-standing mathematical problems to AI-generated music and the impact of European Union regulations on innovation, competition, consumer choice, and the future of technology. The panel includes Chuck Joiner, David Ginsburg, Marty Jencius, Eric Bolden, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jim Rea, Web Bixby, and Jeff Gamet. This MacVoices is supported by our new MacVoices series, Foreshadowing Tech, that examines the effect of media depictions of tech and tech culture on real-world tech, and how real-world has affected technology depictions in the media. Check it out at http://macvoices.com/foreshadowingtech Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 Samsung enters fintech with a new Barclays credit card06:20 Why iPhone users continue to resist switching to Android16:10 AI in music and the debate over creativity and authenticity24:10 AI escapes coding sandboxes and solves a decades-old math problem34:15 EU pressure on Google, Gemini access, and the impact on innovation46:45 Regulation, consumer choice, and differing U.S. versus EU philosophies56:20 Closing thoughts and wrap-up Links: Seven years after Apple Card, Samsung leaps into fintech with its own credit cardhttps://appleinsider.com/articles/26/07/21/seven-years-after-apple-card-samsung-leaps-into-fintech-with-its-own-credit-card Google is making no progress on switching iPhone users to Androidhttps://appleinsider.com/articles/26/07/17/google-is-making-no-progress-on-switching-iphone-users-to-android Mick Jagger says AI is fine for musicians, as long as it does not sound like himhttps://thenextweb.com/news/mick-jagger-ai-music-rolling-stones Researchers escaped four top AI coding agents’ sandboxes without ever breaking themhttps://thenextweb.com/news/ai-coding-agents-sandbox-escapes-pillar Guests: Get detailed bios and contact information about for the panel on the MacVoices Live! Panel page on our web site:https://macvoices.com/macvoiceslive/macvoices-live-panel/ Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

Apple’s plans for advertising in Apple Maps spark a lively discussion about whether limiting certain categories of ads creates a better user experience or puts Apple at a disadvantage against Google Maps. The MacVoices Live! panel examines the balance between relevance, discoverability, and business incentives before shifting to Apple’s expanding Sports app and the company’s increasingly visible commitment to sports content. The conversation concludes with a look at the remarkable growth in App Store submissions, exploring what 600,000 new apps might say about AI-assisted development, app quality, and Apple’s review process. The panel includes Chuck Joiner, David Ginsburg, Marty Jencius, Eric Bolden, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jim Rea, Web Bixby, and Jeff Gamet. This edition of MacVoices is supported by The MacVoices Slack. Available all Patrons of MacVoices. Sign up at Patreon.com/macvoices. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 Apple Maps advertising policy limits certain ad categories01:43 Google Maps vs. Apple Maps discoverability and business listings06:49 Apple's broader advertising restrictions and user experience goals08:01 Search results versus advertising in Apple Maps11:01 Apple Sports expands with additional soccer leagues after the FIFA World Cup13:35 How panelists use Apple Sports for scores, standings, and live updates16:51 The Savannah Bananas, Harlem Globetrotters, and wish-list sports coverage18:02 British Open banter and sports knowledge on the panel18:58 App Store submissions increase 30% to approximately 600,000 apps19:36 AI-generated apps, App Store review, and the challenge of vetting hundreds of thousands of submissions Links: Apple Won't Allow These Ad Categories in the Maps Apphttps://www.macrumors.com/2026/07/15/apple-maps-ad-prohibitied-categories/ Apple Sports App Updated With Additional Soccer Leagues Following 2026 FIFA World Cuphttps://www.macrumors.com/2026/07/20/apple-sports-app-gets-more-soccer-leagues/ The number of new apps released in the App Store grew 30% to about 600,000 last year https://appleworld.today/2026/07/the-number-of-new-apps-released-in-the-app-store-grew-30-to-about-600000-last-year/ Guests: Get detailed bios and contact information about for the panel on the MacVoices Live! Panel page on our web site:https://macvoices.com/macvoiceslive/macvoices-live-panel/ Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

The July MacVoices Update recaps a successful Macstock Conference, and highlights some changes inspired by the experience, including refreshed thumbnails, new streaming software and revised show notes. It also spotlights recent programming and the growing importance of MacVoices Magazine as the new OS versions are delivered. Chuck outlines some August scheduling issues, the new merchandise store, and offers thanks to Patreon supporters for making the shows possible. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and the July 2026 Update 00:30 Macstock recap and why next year’s event matters 02:05 New thumbnails, graphics, and streaming improvements 03:15 Revised show notes and website enhancements 04:45 TV+ Talk, Foreshadowing Tech, and recent programming 05:50 The expanding role of MacVoices Magazine 06:55 August schedule and travel plans 07:25 Support Report and Patreon recognition 08:55 Patreon benefits, After Dark, Slack, and Discord 09:45 Merchandise store and appreciation for community support Links: MacVoices Magazine http://macvoices.com/magazine MacVoices Merc Store http://store.macvoices.com Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

At Macstock 2026, Max Mellman showed off his his iPhone app, II Love a Piano. Max explains how the app stands out through realistic haptic feedback, intuitive navigation, portrait and landscape support, and a design that encourages exploration instead of intimidation. Chuck and Max also discuss his inspiration, teaching career, future iPad support, and broader music education projects. This edition of MacVoices is brought to you by the MacVoices Dispatch, our weekly newsletter that keeps you up-to-date on any and all MacVoices-related information. Subscribe today and don't miss a thing. Show Notes: Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Macstock 2026 setting 01:00 Meeting Max Melman and his Macstock experience 03:05 The story behind Beloved Melody 04:25 Introducing I Love a Piano 06:15 What makes the app different from other piano apps 09:10 Experiencing the haptic keyboard firsthand 11:40 Portrait, landscape, and intuitive navigation 14:05 iPad support and future development 16:05 Pricing, availability, and App Store release 17:35 Teaching music and inspiring students through technology 20:10 Music education projects and closing thoughts Links: iLoveAPiano.app http://iLoveAPiano.app Scribe.band http://scribe.band Guests: Max Mellman’s beloved melody (of my parents Belove and Mellman) is his software design studio. He is a veteran elementary music teacher, musician, arranger, and UI designer from New Jersey. I'm also the author of The Bagel Song and the creator of the app I Love a Piano. Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss

The MacVoices Live! panel examines Apple’s move from the iPhone Upgrade Program to a Klarna-backed leasing model, including the possibility of restricting leased devices after missed payments. The discussion explores how financing could soften the impact of rising iPhone prices, especially for premium and foldable models. They share personal experiences while debating ownership versus leasing, AppleCare implications, trade-in strategies, and changing consumer expectations around smartphone upgrades. The panel includes Chuck Joiner, David Ginsburg, Marty Jencius, Eric Bolden, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jim Rea, Web Bixby, and Jeff Gamet. Today's MacVoices is supported by TV+ Talk, our MacVoices series with Charlotte Henry focused on Apple TV+. From shows and other content to the business side there’s always something to learn about apple’s streaming service. Find it at the Categories listings on the web site or go directly to macvoices.com/category/tv-talk. Show Notes: Chapters:00:00 Introduction and panel introductions03:57 Apple ends the iPhone Upgrade Program07:42 Klarna leasing and financing compared to ownership13:06 Missed payments and device restrictions in iOS 2718:08 AppleCare, trade-ins, and keeping older devices22:20 Leasing as a path to premium and foldable iPhones26:10 Consumer habits, pricing, and the future of smartphone ownership Links: Apple winding down iPhone Upgrade Program: reporthttps://9to5mac.com/2026/07/21/apple-winding-down-iphone-upgrade-program-report/ Apple to Launch ‘Upgrade’ Device Leasing Program With Klarna to Spur Saleshttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-21/apple-to-launch-upgrade-device-leasing-program-with-klarna-to-spur-sales iOS 27 code suggests Apple could restrict leased devices after missed paymentshttps://9to5mac.com/2026/07/21/ios-27-code-suggests-apple-could-restrict-leased-devices-after-missed-payments/ Apple winding down iPhone Upgrade Program: reporthttps://9to5mac.com/2026/07/21/apple-winding-down-iphone-upgrade-program-report/ Guests: Get detailed bios and contact information about for the panel on the MacVoices Live! Panel page on our web site:https://macvoices.com/macvoiceslive/macvoices-live-panel/ Support: Become a MacVoices Patron on Patreon http://patreon.com/macvoices Enjoy this episode? Make a one-time donation with PayPal Connect: Web: http://macvoices.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/chuckjoiner http://www.twitter.com/macvoices Mastodon: https://mastodon.cloud/@chuckjoiner Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/chuck.joiner MacVoices Page on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/macvoices/ MacVoices Group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/macvoice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckjoiner/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuckjoiner/ Subscribe: Audio in iTunes Video in iTunes Subscribe manually via iTunes or any podcatcher: Audio: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesrss Video: http://www.macvoices.com/rss/macvoicesvideorss