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The Democrat Party is relying on these societal elements, on these populations, on these ideologies for power. It has abandoned the American Founding, American history, the American Declaration and Constitution. They only bring it up when they think they can use it against their opponents. But they don't believe in it. They don't believe in power, checking power, separation of powers. They don't believe in it. They don't believe in elections. And don't hand me Donald Trump. They don't believe in elections. That's why they rely so much on unelected judges, particularly at the trial level. 7, 800 of them. That's why they massively build up their bureaucracy. The Leviathan. The Leviathan. And that's why they will fight to the bitter end to expand it and to increase programs to spend us in a bankruptcy, not on your behalf, but on behalf of government. Government first and foremost, that is their, their tool by which to control we the people. Even now they have, quote, unquote, shut down the government. Why? Because they want to add $1.5 trillion to it. So what's a little despotism? As Mark said on the way to the prom. So foreign born voters are behind Zorah Mandami's huge lead in the New York City mayoral race. I'll be right back.

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Folks, I have a question for you. Do you believe America's best days are still ahead with the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence? Coming up in less than a year, my friends at the Heritage foundation are taking stock of the current situation and they need your input. They've launched a survey on America's future to gauge how America's feel right now about where we are as a nation and where we're headed in the next 250 years. You know, for decades, your American values have been under attack. But now, where President Trump's administration in office, we have an opportunity to turn the tide and usher in a new golden age for America. But the Heritage foundation needs to hear from you. What policies do patriots like you most care about? What do you believe are the defining principles of America? What legacy do you believe we should pass on to the next Generation? Please visit heritage.orglevin today and share your feedback and help shape the future of America. That's heritage.org Levin paid for by the Heritage Foundation. I want to congratulate Eric Trump. His book Under Siege, which is a fantastic book. It was announced a little while ago as number one on the New York Times bestseller list. Not just nonfiction, but nonfiction as well as electronic. I'll tell you why I'm mentioning this, just having this discussion with Mr. Producer during the break. We have a lot of authors on this program. Why? Because I like books and I like a number of the authors. We're gonna have a great author on next hour with a great book. When people come on this program, they often wind up number one on Amazon, number one on the New York Times list. Same with my Fox show. So we are inundated, aren't we, Mr. Producer? I mean, literally inundated. We must get two, three requests a week, sometimes more particularly during the holidays. The big crunch for books. I almost never get a thank you. I almost never get a thank you. I have people contact me who I've never met before, but they have a good book. Now. Eric Trump was on this program. He was on my Fox show. We did an exclusive first interview. We launched it on the Sunday before the Tuesday when it came out. He writes me a beautiful text, thanks me for supporting him the book with enthusiasm. He can't thank me enough. Now, first of all, he was going to do well no matter what. But this is a tough business. The book business, the radio business, the TV business, in the sense of getting to the top, being number one. But he didn't have to do that, but he did it. I'm just trying to show you the kind of class these people have in the Trump family. I helped the senator the other day. I'm not going to Use his name. The only time he came on the show was the Hawk's book. But I liked his book. He got number one. Never heard from him again, did we, Mr. Producer? Not a word. That's the difference. I'm just telling you because people get interested in how this stuff works. Breitbart. Gavin Newsom, rock by polls showing him losing Democratic nomination. Drive to Kamala Harris, writes Walter Todd Huston. And you know what? People may be getting tired of his act. They may be getting tired of his act. He's a fraud, a phony and a fool, and he's a complete failure in every respect. Radical Governor of California Gavin Newsom has been rocked by A poll of 2028 Democrat presidential hopefuls that shows he is now losing to former Vice President Kamala Harris. A Noble Predictive Insights poll conducted over the first week of October found that Newsom is trailing Harris for the nomination. This poll shows Newsom's assumption that he's the frontrunner is not exactly a foregone conclusion. The poll placed Harris at 33% among Democrats, 27% with independents. But Newsom was behind 13% among Democrats and back 3% with independents. Other candidates in the poll include New York Democrat Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. For what? For what? What has she done? What does she know? What has she said? She's a moron. Who ranked third with a mere 8%, followed by former Biden Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, another complete failure with 7%. Now you already have talk show hosts in concerted talk radio hawking for JD Vance to be President of the United States, and he's certainly in line for it. Vice president could get endorsed by Trump. I'm sure he would be fantastic candidate and president. But there's going to be others, too. See, I keep my powder dry. There will be others, too. I hope there are others. It's important. Maybe not, maybe there won't be. You never know. But. And a lot of them, people do this, not just talking about Vance and so forth, because they want access. They want access should somebody get elected President, United States. I don't care about access. I have access and I don't even use it. Mr. Produce will tell you I don't even. I rarely pick up the phone. And I almost never go to the White House or these other places, do I, Rich? Rich tells me to go. President says, where are you? Other people tell me to go. I was invited on Air Force One to fly to Israel, to Knesset, but my brother was ill. I couldn't do it that would have been fun. But nonetheless, other people are desperate for access. I'm not. I'm desperate to save this country. And I will back the person I think can do that, because after Donald Trump, there's not going to be anybody like Donald Trump. Some will try and so forth and so on. And so it's very important we take each person who wants to be president on their own merits and we analyze them on their own merits, what they're capable of doing, what they've already done, not what they say, what they've already done. That's why I was an early Reaganite. 1976. We'll be right back. We're coming upon the 250th birthday of the United States. And it has me thinking, what will America look like 250, 50 years from now? My friends at the Heritage foundation want to know what you think. What policies should America prioritize? What principles should carry us into the decades ahead as America enters a new golden age? Heritage recognizes that this is the time to take stock and to be intentional about how we shape the future of America. And they can't do it without your input. So please go to heritage.org Levin and let them know what you think is important. Without patriots like you stepping up and speaking up for what you believe in, America as we know it can't survive for another 250 years. Please go to heritage.org Levin heritage.org Levin take the survey on America's future. This survey takes less than 10 minutes to complete, but it is critical for making sure that the America we pass on to future generations is an America we're proud of. Go to heritage.orglevin today. That's heritage.org Levin paid for by the Heritage Foundation. This is the nation's town hall meeting, and you can join in at 877-381-3811. Now, let's keep at this. Told you this mayoral race has national and international implications. Absolutely. Can you imagine this country in 50 years? If this keeps up? 50 years, it won't exist. Your children won't be living in the same country. There will be Sharia law in big pockets of America, if not beyond. There'll be judges who rule that way. This is a cancer. Radical Islamism, jihadist. It doesn't just go away. It's not the way it works. And it's here right now. It's here right now. I don't care if somebody's wearing a smile and a suit and a tie and a watch. I don't care if they're charismatic. More charismatic, the more dangerous. Breitbart Again, exclusive top 911 lawyer. We can't let Mandani near City Hall. Survivors, first responders, victims, families from the 911 community are disgusted and outraged by Zoram Mandani's decision to campaign and pose for a smiling photo with a radical imam once named. He wasn't named an unindicted co conspirator, but he was a character witness for the very imam who tried to blow up and did blow up parts of the World Trade Center. Talking about leading 911 attorney Michael Barash, whose firm represents more than 45,000 clients, he called the encounter an insult to every 911 survivor and family member. An exclusive interview with Breitbart News on Tuesday. Barash, the renowned 911 lawyer, managing partner Barash and McGarry said his phone had been ringing off the hook since the photo emerged on Saturday as first responders, survivors and families voiced disgust over Mamdani's embrace of Siraj Wahaj. We discussed this at length yesterday. The Brooklyn imam tied to anti American extremism. We can't let Mondami into City hall, he warned. Now they're going to have another debate in New York in about a half hour. I believe it begins. Let's hope the moderators know what the hell they're doing and dig into this stuff, because the last time they did it, they were a joke. Barash said the backlash was immediate. Why is he carrying favor with extremist Muslims? They're not voting. Excuse me. They're not voting for him anyway. He said all they're doing is sowing hatred, the kind of hatred that led to the attacks on 1993 and 2001. So why would Zoram Mandami give this radical imam the time of day? I don't get it. Neither do my clients. Oh, I get it. Because he agrees with them. What do you mean, I don't get it? He's one of them. He's one of them. Doesn't anybody get it? He's one of them. He hangs around terrorists. He promotes terrorist organizations. Well, what the hell do you call that? The renowned 911 lawyers stress that the outrage stretches well beyond first responders. Well, I hope so. The polls are telling us we have a big problem. Big problem. Baraj said outrage across the 911 community is almost unanimous. We have to stay away from Islamist extremists, he warned. I represent moderate Muslims, Jews and Christians. The toxic dust didn't discriminate Mandami's embrace of Wahaj insults every single person in the 911 community. And it's not just the 911 community, it's the country. He does not believe in our country. He does not believe in our founding. He does not believe in the Enlightenment, Locke and Montesquieu. He doesn't believe in separation of powers. He doesn't believe in our constitutional system. He doesn't believe in it. He wants the society to collapse. That's why he doesn't support the cops. It's that simple. He can go around and talk about affordability. All he wants said nothing to do with affordability. Nothing. This election's about survivability, not affordability. It's shocking. And yet here we are. The person people should be trying to drop out of the race is mom, Donnie. Of course he won't, but that's where all the focus should be, the laser focus. He's the guy given all this. Are you kidding me? Unbelievable. In America you might. Okay, that's New York. I don't live in New York. I look in Peoria. I live in Lawrenceville. I'm okay, I'm here in Mississippi. I'm in Minnesota. Everything Minnesota. Oh yeah, yeah. Every corner of the country is either affected or is going to be affected. It's not just New York City. New York City was easy. Sanctuary city. Massive illegal legal immigration. Leftist Democrats, they changed the primary voting system was easy. Now on to the rest of the country. It's happening right now, right now in every corner of the country. Who would have ever thought that Dearborn would be Dearbornistan, the home of the Ford Motor Company. American ingenuity. Well, there it is. It's happening all over New Jersey, all over Michigan, even Texas, where one group of imams wants to create their own effectively state within a state where only Muslims can live and only certain types of Muslims. Now who did this to us? Was it the Republicans? Was it Donald Trump? No, it was the Democrats. It was Biden. I want to remind you, Democrats and Biden, they did this. And this is why the Democrat party is susceptible to the so called Democratic Socialist Party, the Marxist Islamist party that has infiltrated it with Bernie Sanders, with aoc, with Talib and Omar and Mandani. That's exactly what's going on here. One more. Can we stand? One more from the Jewish insider. Over six hundred and fifty rabbis speak out against Mandami as threat to safety and dignity of Jews in every city. They might say, well that's not surprising. And why did I read that to you? We're all the Priests, we're all the pastors, we're all the organizations that promotes civil liberties. At least they say they do. Where are they? They're nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. Now, this ideology owns the Democrat Party. Here's a story. Almost all Senate Democrats urged Trump to reinforce opposition to west bank annexation. That would be Judea and Samaria. West bank opposition, that is the ancestral homeland for 4,000 years to the Jewish people. Judaism was born in a little town called Shiloh in Judea. The Palestinians, who were nowhere to be found for thousands of years, claim that is theirs. The Democrat Party, almost all the senators urging Trump don't allow the Jews to annex. How do you annex your ancestral homeland? Who should it go to? The Mandamis of the world. The Talibs of the world, apparently. So that's the position of the Democrat Party. That's the position of Qatar and Jordan and the Arab and Muslim world. That's the birthplace of Judaism, the birthplace of Christianity, effectively is the birthplace of Jesus. Bethlehem. Bethlehem has been conquered by a crusade of Muslims who've populated the city and have forced out the Christians. The birthplace of Jesus Christ, really, I would argue the birthplace of Christianity, Certainly one of them is not controlled by the Palestinians, who aren't even in the Bible. They were never there, ever. They came there very recently, certainly not in ancient times. And so now, if you go to Bethlehem and you want to see, particularly if you're Christian, you want to see the birthplace of Jesus Christ, you take your life into your own hands, in your own hands. I wonder what the Senate Democrats would say of that. You know what they'd say of that. Too bad. Too bad. Because most of them are not people of faith, whether it's Judaism or Christianity. They're just not. They're Democrats. That's who they are, and that's what they are. So the birthplace of the Jewish faith, the ancestral home of the Jews, it is said, should not be annexed by the Jews. And then they. They call the Jews who live there settlers. They're settlers now. If that's not asked backwards, I don't know what is. And then Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus, that's now Palestinian. 85 to 90% of the town is now Palestinian. That's it. So if the Christians wanted to take back their town, I guess that would be called annexation, too, Right. So you have the oldest of the three faiths, Judaism, the second oldest of the three faiths, Christianity. They have nowhere to go, according to the Islamists. They have nowhere to go, according to the Senate Democrats. They have nowhere to go. According to Mandami, nowhere to go. Nowhere. Now, all the countries that surround the Holy Land are Arab and or Muslim. All of them, hundreds of millions of people. Now, what do you expect when people are coming into our country, fairly recent immigrants, legal and illegal. And I'm talking about the Islamists and the Marxists, not about others who really want to assimilate into America. I'm not talking about them. And there are many of them, just not enough. When you don't have a proper vetting system, when you basically have a worldwide break into the country, you get whatever gets into the country. And when you lose your assimilation system, your process, because the left doesn't believe in it, so they've destroyed it. In fact, they teach recent immigrants to hate America. That's what they teach them. It's racist, white supremacist, male dominated, Christian dominated, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what they hear every damn day in schools, in the media, in colleges, and so forth. So it's worse than a lack of assimilation. It is, I'll coin a word, the de. Assimilation of our society. And so they break into these subcultures. And these subcultures can be ethnic, they can be religious, they can be economic. And what we have here is this fusion, as I keep saying for years now, of Marxism and Islamism. It's not about Israel and about Jews. Well, it is, obviously, but it's also about Christians in the United States or people of any faith, or no faith, who want to live in a free country and not be dictated to. That's what's on the ballot in New York. And the mediators and moderators are just too damn stupid to confront it. And to PC. They don't want to be viewed as, you know, anti this or anti that. I'll be right back. Folks, I have a question for you. Do you believe America's best days are still ahead? With the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence coming up in less than a year, my friends at the Heritage foundation are taking stock of the current situation, and they need your input. They've launched a survey on America's future to gauge how America's feel right now about where we are as a nation and where we're headed in the next 250 years. You know, for decades, your American values have been under attack. But now, with President Trump's administration in office, we have an opportunity to turn the tide and usher in a new golden age for America. But the Heritage foundation needs to hear from you what policies do patriots like you most care about? What do you believe are the defining principles of America? What legacy do you believe we should pass on to the next Generation? Please visit heritage.orglevin today and share your feedback and help shape the future of America. That's heritage.org Levin paid for by the Heritage Foundation. I was on Hannity last night. How much time do we have, Richard? Not enough. Well, I was on Hannity last night. Public service announcement. Here's Prime Minister Netanyahu with Vice President Vance in Israel today. Cut to go first.

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In the last year, we've had an unmatched alliance and partnership with the United States that Israel changing the Middle east and it's also changing the world. It creates opportunities not only for security, but for the expansion of peace, which we're working on very, very diligently. And it's just unmatched. I've been here a few years. I've been through several administrations. I welcome the partnership and the assistance we've had, but there's never been anything like that. And President Trump said that it's like a partnership. It's never, never happened before. Well, that includes, includes a closed circle, both on our side and on the American side. And President Trump knows who he picks for that circle. One of the members, to put it mildly, is the vice president. We've had the opportunity to make decisions jointly in a very tight knit and trusting partnership. And I was impressed. I was impressed with, I was impressed with your clarity, with your incisiveness, with your solidarity for our common cause and the just a genuine friendship that I saw both in our conference meetings, but also in our private meetings. And it's in that spirit that I very much welcome you to Jerusalem. In these days of destiny, we're changing the face of the Middle East.

Mark Levin (36:18)

Nobody really talks like he does, do they? Very historic figure, right in modern times. And I'm glad to hear all this. I am. I'm glad to hear all this. And here's Vance. Cut three, go.

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As the prime minister said, these are days of destiny and we're very excited to sit down and work together on the Gaza peace plan. We have a very, very tough task ahead of us, which is to disarm Hamas, but rebuild Gaza, to make life better for the people in Gaza, but also to ensure that Hamas is no longer a threat to our friends in Israel. That's not easy. I think the prime minister knows that as well as anybody. But it's something that we're committed to in the Trump administration. And I think that we've even in the past 24 hours, had a lot of good conversations with our friends in the Israeli government, but also, frankly, with our friends and in the Arab world who are stepping up and volunteering to play a very positive role in this. So.

Mark Levin (37:07)

Well, let me just say this. I read last night, and you'll hear it after the break, what the Emir of Qatar had to say. I believe that's going to be in that cut, isn't it, Mr. Medusa? I think so. And you'll see the very positive role Qatar is playing not. I'll be right back. This segment of the podcast is exclusively sponsored by PureTalk. PureTalk offers great coverage and can save your family money on your wireless bill every single month. Go to PureTalk.com to find the plan that's right for you. Thank you again for listening and thank you so much for this sponsorship. PureTalk. He's here.

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Mark Levin (38:11)

Hello, America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 8773-8138-1187-7381-3811. Bottom of the last hour. We'll take calls, but before then, we're going to have a guest on the program very shortly, Jeffrey Rose. He's quite renowned, President and chief executive officer of the National Constitution center, and he's written a fantastic book, the Pursuit of Liberty. I just finished this book last night, how Hamilton vs. Jefferson ignited the Lasting Battle over Power in America. Now, what's fascinating about this, this book comes out today. No, it came out yesterday. And what's fascinating about it is you might recall in On Power, I certainly don't spend as much time as Jeffrey Rosen does in this book. This battle between Jefferson and Hamilton is very thoroughly, cogently, comprehensively analyzed as it has an impact not just during their lives, but on our lives, on how you approach the Constitution and liberty and power. Now, what's interesting is my book on power, and I obviously don't have access to this book, touches on that issue, too, in a significant way. And Jeffrey Rosen was very impressed with it and he asked me to come on his podcast. I think he's asked me to come to the Constitution center in Philadelphia. I just didn't have time, has nothing to do with anything else. I just didn't have time to come on podcasts and so forth. And, you know, my, my loss. But this Book the Pursuit of Liberty. How Hamilton vs. Jefferson ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America. Now, here's the thing. This show is uniquely, really uniquely platformed for this sort of thing, because every time I do a book signing, people say, I find your radio most interesting when you talk about history and the Constitution. And so we're going to do that. And this book is widely celebrated by people who know. Through an engaging narrative rooted in deep command of constitutional political history, Jeffrey Rosen brilliantly illuminates a core division that shaped American life. Excuse me, cholera. And he's not alone. Many others have too many. And I, I concur with that, having read the book, being one of the hosts that actually does read books. Excuse me. And this issue is important. It's very important. Now, in my own book, I address this too, with a little bit of Madison thrown in as well. And Hamilton. Madison and I talk, excuse me, Hamilton and more Marshall and I talk about Jefferson and Madison, who were very close, and this whole idea of originalism versus implied powers, explicit powers, textualism, original intent versus what I would call, of course, activism and so forth, making assumptions about power, assumed power, rather. And this battle was early on in our history, and one of the big battles was over the First national bank, as we've talked about one of the big battles, early battles, and Washington wanted to know the opinion of a secretary, treasurer and a secretary of state, and he wanted to know Madison's opinion. He got it both barrels from all of them, and they were very passionate and what they had to say. And Washington sided with Hamilton and so we got a national bank. When Jefferson was elected, he got rid of the bank immediately. Now, all that said, this came down to how you interpret power, how you interpret the language in the Constitution. And this is the battle today. I even reference Hamilton, the play, in my prior book, because you'll notice a lot of the lefties in New York and so forth and elsewhere, they were drawn to the play Hamilton like bees to honey. And when you comprehend this debate between Hamilton and Jefferson and Hamilton and Madison and Marshall and so forth, you can see why. I'm not saying the people there understood why, but they could see why. And so in this chapter I write, on which chapter was it? I think it was the chapter on On Liberty, chapter six. I get into all this and I'm very excited to talk to Jeffrey Rosen, who reached out to me, been nothing but a gentleman. In fact, here's what he said. Congratulations on the success of On Power. I'm writing to re up my invitation for you to join us live at the National Constitution center podcast to discuss. It would be great to be in conversation with you. And then he tells me about his great book Pursuit of Liberty, which I actually had an opportunity to read. And, you know, I'm a geek. I enjoyed it very, very much. And you're going to enjoy this, too. I guarantee you're going to love this, too, because you're in this audience and this discussion has an impact today. This is why when I talk about Marxism and Islamism, we're not even talking about Jefferson and Hamilton. We're talking about the complete obliteration of the constitutional construct and the basis for the Constitution. Because Marxism and Islamism are utterly incompatible with our declaration and our Constitution, with our founding with the West. They're incompatible. I mean, if anything, you got to be reading Rousseau. And I'm not saying after or Hegel. I'm not saying you have to, particularly Hegel, Marx, Angles. A lot of times when you read Marx, you are reading angles. But that's neither here nor there. To truly understand the basis for the modern Marxist ideology and in our country, what I call American Marxism, when it comes to Islamism, you got to go back to the 7th century and far before to understand where that ideology is coming from. And they all reject, they both reject the Enlightenment and of course, radical Islamists reject the Reformation. And so they slaughter other Muslims who embrace the Reformation, who embraced liberty and free speech and all these other things. And that's what I tried to point out in my book. But you're gonna see this battle that goes on, on how you interpret the Constitution, what the Constitution means and so forth. You look at Chief Justice John Marshall. We've talked about him. He wrote several crucial decisions that in my view, and by the way, in Jefferson's view, fundamentally altered the constitutional construct. And this battle that we have today where we talk about these Biden appointed judges versus the President of the United States, the birth of that battle was way at the beginning of the Republic. At the beginning of the Republic. So I'm going to take a break. We'll have Jeffrey Rosen with us in just a moment. I'll be right back. There's a reason, I'm proud to say Pure Talk is my wireless company, because they don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk. 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The president and CEO of our National Constitution center in Philadelphia. I used to hang around Arch Street, Jeffrey, and Independence hall and walk around there. They move the Liberty Bell, of course, but that's over there and see where Franklin and his wife are buried. I just used to roam around there. And it's a pleasure to have you. How are you?

Jeffrey Rosen (48:09)

That's so great. It's an honor to be on your show, Mark, and I'm so glad you hung out in Philly. Was the Constitution center open when you were there and visited us yet?

Mark Levin (48:18)

No, I haven't been there.

Jeffrey Rosen (48:19)

You gotta come. It's the most inspiring place. It's overlooking Independence hall with the greatest view of Independence hall in America, Statues of the framers. It's called Signer's hall, so you can see how tall they were and what they looked like. Rare copies of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Reconstruction Amendments. It's the most inspiring place for the Constitution you can imagine. And I would love you to visit. It would be an amazing.

Mark Levin (48:44)

You got a date? I've got to come there. I've got to come. Now, let's talk about your book, the Pursuit of Liberty. This is a tour de force, I'm telling you. I read a lot. This is really well done. How long did it take you to write this book?

Jeffrey Rosen (48:57)

Thank you so much for saying that. I'm so glad you like it. It took about a year. A year of reading and a year of writing.

Mark Levin (49:04)

It's not so easy to write something like this, you know, you got to think it through and you know, everything doesn't fit nicely in a box. Sometimes one of these founders kind of slipped into one box and into another box or they changed a little bit over time or depending on the issue. Right?

Jeffrey Rosen (49:20)

That's exactly right. And I did just what you did in your great book on power, which I really admire as well. And let's go back to the primary sources and just see what they said and try to distill their basic ideas. And it's so exciting to study American history because all of our constitutional and political clashes ever since go back to the Founding. It's really important to understand the ideals that define us.

Mark Levin (49:44)

The book is the pursuit of Liberty. Go to Amazon.com it is fresh off the printing press. How Hamilton versus Jefferson ignited the lasting battle over power in America. So let's get into this. It was kind of Hamilton and maybe Marshall, I would say many others too. And then you had Jefferson and Madison pretty much on the other side. What are we really talking about here in terms of the two big philosophies here?

Jeffrey Rosen (50:11)

So the big clash between Hamilton and Jefferson is first over national power versus states rights, and second, over liberal versus state, strict construction of the Constitution and third, over democracy versus rule by elites. And they fought over the bank of the United States taking opposite positions with Hamilton defending broad construction and the consolidation of national power and Jefferson favoring strict construction and the separation of power to the local level. Washington and John Marshall side with Hamilton. And ever since, our political parties and our justices have been fighting over the same questions.

Mark Levin (50:56)

And yet there were acts that Hamilton took, including is one of the main, if not the main contributor to the Federalist Papers, where he made a very, very strong case to the states. Some of the states were very nervous about what was going on and he made a very strong argument. Don't be nervous. You know, you're going to possess all this power and so forth and so on. We're very explicit about what powers belong. Where am I right about that?

Jeffrey Rosen (51:21)

You're absolutely right. In defending the Constitution against Jeffersonian fears that it would consolidate too much power. Hamilton said exactly that. Don't, don't worry. It's a government of limited powers and it won't favor total consolidation. Like you, I'm a big fan of James Madison as a force who moderates between the extremes of Hamilton and Jefferson. And in the Federalist Papers, both Hamilton and Madison were taking a position of dual sovereignty. Remember, Hamilton says the nation is totally sovereign. Jefferson says the states. Madison says it's dual sovereignty. And in the end, I think Madison was right.

Mark Levin (52:02)

And you know, not to jump too far ahead, but this favorite famous letter by Everett, I think it was, and Madison responding, Madison opposed nullification. He was worried that there would be a civil war. And he explains in this letter, Jeffrey, and you know, this letter explains in this letter that the citizens of a state are also the citizens of the United States and a state can't take that citizenship away. Right.

Jeffrey Rosen (52:29)

Yes. Isn't that an incredibly significant letter? And this is a time when lots of folks are invoking Jefferson to defend secession and nullification, which he had defended in opposing the Alien and Sedition Act. But Madison, who also believes in states rights, thinks of this idea of dual sovereignty. It's a complicated idea that you can be both a citizen of a state and of a nation. But Madison says the states are sovereign for some purposes, the Union for others, because ultimately we the people parcel out different sovereignty to different bodies.

Mark Levin (53:02)

So who basically wins the day early on? Who wins George Washington's view on the first bank and so forth? Because they were pretty hot and heavy back and forth.

Jeffrey Rosen (53:13)

They sure were. Well, in the initial round, Hamilton wins big. He wins everything because Washington always sides with Hamilton over Jefferson. And then after Hamilton dies in the duel, John Marshall views himself as Hamilton's successor. And he basically writes Hamilton's views into the US reports and into history. And in both Marbury versus Madison and McCullough versus Maryland, Marshall literally has Hamilton's drafts by his side because he's writing Washington's biography at the time. And he finds Hamilton's words and one of the most famous sentences in all of constitutional history. Let the end be legitimate. And any means that are appropriate can be. Is more.

Mark Levin (53:57)

We got hiccups there. We want you to get back to the most famous sentence. Say that again.

Jeffrey Rosen (54:02)

Ah, I hope I got it right. But it's basically let the end be legitimate. Then any means that are conducive to the end are consistent with the Constitution. What he's saying there is you don't have to have a power spelled out like Congress's power to charter a bank. As long as chartering a bank might be useful to raising taxes or promoting the general welfare, then it's okay. And that basic idea is at the center of all the biggest constitutional controversies ever since. Just think about that. The Dred Scott decision, the Reconstruction Amendments, the New Deal, which you write about in your book, and all the way up to the Affordable Care Act. What the justices are arguing about is liberal versus strict construction, with some taking the Hamiltonian view and others taking the Jeffersonian view.

Mark Levin (54:51)

It's a great book, folks. The Pursuit of Liberty. How Hamilton vs. Jefferson ignited the Lasting Battle over Power in America. Get it@Amazon.com right now. It'll show up at your doorstep tomorrow. I strongly encourage you to get this. So whose view is most prevailing. I mean, the book makes it quite clear. I mean, history makes it quite clear. But you know, the audience isn't necessarily studying every footnote here. So there's back and forth and back and forth. But fundamentally the trajectory has been. In what direction would you say?

Jeffrey Rosen (55:26)

Well, the trajectory has certainly been in favor of consolidation and centralization, as you argue very clearly in your, in your book on power. There have always been backlashes. And when John Marshall is succeeded by Roger Tawney, who tries to shrink the size of the federal government and then the Reconstruction Court expands it and then there's a fight over the New Deal and they go back and forth, but broadly the trend has been in favor of centralization.

Mark Levin (55:54)

And then what happens in the 1980s, we're jumping ahead. We only have two segments. I definitely need to have you back. I'll tell you why, because I love this so great. 1980s, you get Ronald Reagan elected. He has an attorney general who I work for, Ed Meese, and they bring something to the fore that really hasn't been brought to the fore for decade after decade after decade. What do they do that kind of pushes back in a very significant way?

Jeffrey Rosen (56:23)

Well, they embrace the doctrine of originalism or original public meaning. And they argue that the courts have made up rights and have enabled the expansion of the administrative state. And the, the original originalist movement has a couple of goals. Certainly overturning Roe v. Wade is a famous one, but the biggest one for some was shrinking the administrative state. And they argued that the government had expanded beyond the separation of powers framework the framers intended and appointed judges to shrink it.

Mark Levin (56:57)

We're going to take a short break. The book is during the break. You can grab it. The Pursuit of Liberty Amazon.com this tremendous battle of viewpoints between Hamilton and Jefferson that is with us today. I'll be right back. There's a reason I'm proud to say Pure Talk is my wireless company, because they don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk. Especially when it comes to supporting our veterans. This month PureTalk is choosing to support Canines for Warriors, an incredible organization that rescues and trains dogs, then pairs them with veterans struggling with ptsd. These are men and women who serve with honor, but when they come home, that brotherhood and support network they had in the military too often disappears. Canines for Warrior steps up to fill the gap, giving these heroes purpose, companionship and healing. That's exactly why Pure Talk, a veteran led company, supports them. Choose a wireless company that shares your values and with talk, text and plenty of 5G data for just 25 bucks a month. You could also be saving a ton of Money. Go to PureTalk.com Levin to make the switch today again, go to PureTalk.com L, E V I N and switch to America's wireless company, my wireless company, Pure Talk.

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Great new book just out. It's right down your lane, ladies and gentlemen. The pursuit of how Hamilton vs. Jefferson ignited the lasting battle over power in America. Written by Jeffrey Rose and he's President CEO, it's big, big deal. Of the National Constitution center in Philadelphia. Now, Jeffrey, I had no idea you were writing what you were writing. You had no idea I was writing what I was writing. And you know, to be perfectly honest with everybody, I just touched on it in a chapter. You've written an entire book on this which is very, very good. And I'll tell you, chapter eight to me really does jump off the pages. It was a fascinating chapter. I mean the book is. But chapter eight. And you talk about Hamiltonian means to achieve Jeffersonian ends and you kind of touched on this too. But Theodore Roosevelt, very complex person. I mean, you know, he was a hawk interventionist in foreign affairs, but he was very much a progressive. He very much believed in the expansive reading of the Constitution. And Woodrow Wilson and Calvin Coolidge sum up this chapter for everybody because these people are very complex.

Jeffrey Rosen (59:33)

I'm so glad you picked that chapter because that's the essence of the transformation of the Founders Constitution into the progressive Constitution which you identify in your book so clearly. And that phrase deploying Hamiltonian means for Jeffersonian ends comes from a progressive historian by Herbert Crowley who called on Theodore Roosevelt to deploy the Hamiltonian means of strong federal power for the Jeffersonian ends of expanding democracy and curbing the corporations. So remember, Jefferson had been for limited government, but Roosevelt says he wants an expansive government but for the purpose of trust busting. And Roosevelt quotes that language directly when he announces the new nationalism. He says, I'm a Hamiltonian on federal power, but a Jeffersonian on democracy. And he goes on to stake his entire presidential campaign on that idea. Then Wilson joins Roosevelt in the election of 1912 in calling the President a steward of the people who should directly channel popular will, which the founders never anticipated. And Wilson, as you say very well in your book, criticizes the Declaration of Independence, wants to throw out the separation of powers and have a British system where the president rules in Congress with without limits. And William Howard Taft is the great constitutionalist, and he's defending the Constitution against these populist demagogues, in his view. So that's the big shift. And ever since then, both Republicans and Democrats have kind of embraced the idea of using federal power to achieve their ends. FDR wildly gall to reinvent Jefferson as the prophet of democracy rather than limited government. And he puts Jefferson on the nickel and builds the Jeffersonian memorial. Jefferson would have been appalled at the New Deal, but FDR claims him because he emphasizes the Democratic rather than the limited government. Jefferson. And then just to take this story up to the present, Ronald Reagan said that he left the Democratic Party in 1960 because it had abandoned the principles of Thomas Jefferson. And he goes on to reinvent the Republicans as the Jeffersonian Party. Limited government rather than democracy and trust busting. So you just see all the sides shifting, but I call them golden and silver threads woven throughout American history. You can just follow the competing ideas of Jefferson and Hamilton as they cross. Sometimes they pull apart, but they're the essential markers of the debate. People always have to invoke them in the end. It's the productive tension between their ideas that has sustained the American experiment over time.

Mark Levin (62:16)

And where are we today? Who are the Jeffersonians today? Other than me?

Jeffrey Rosen (62:22)

You. Exactly. And. Well, that's why the book is so great, because you're being principled about this. You know, we do not, obviously, to state it mildly in our political parties, have consistent Jeffersonians or Hamiltonians. The President Trump is trying to shrink the size of the administrative state, but he's deploying strong executive power to do that in ways that certainly would have made Jefferson uneasy. And the Democrats, you know, claim to embrace. Well, Hamilton is the rap star of the moment and strong federal power. But all of a sudden, Gavin Newsom has become a belated convert to states rights. So, you know, we see this throughout American history where the sides are shifting to achieve their partisan ends. And that's why it's so important to be principled. And I know your listeners are, because they love the Constitution to think, you know, what way, what. What principles do I embrace? And I'm willing to go there whether I like the political results or not. And that's what the Constitution is for.

Mark Levin (63:24)

And politicians, let me put it to you this way, they can be principled, but they like to pursue power, don't they? And so some of them, I think, are maybe too many of them. That's the goal. And it's not, you know, that is the goal is to pursue power. So they can be a Jeffersonian one day and a Hamiltonian the next day.

Jeffrey Rosen (63:49)

No, that's exactly right. And as you say in your book, there's a antithesis between liberty and power. And especially for Jefferson, every expansion in power threatens liberty. Now, Hamilton sometimes thinks you can expand federal power to secure liberty, like through the bank or the defense system. But he, you know, he may not have been attentive properly to the checks. And both of them were afraid of corrupt politicians and ultimately believed that it was the virtue of the people educating themselves about the Constitution that's going to preserve liberty and keep the republic.

Mark Levin (64:22)

Now, let me ask you about that. I mean, your book seeks to do that. I write, I seek to do it. Radio show, tv. Are we failing?

Jeffrey Rosen (64:35)

Yes, we are failing. Regardless of your politics, which side you're on, we have to confess that, you know, a lot of citizens are not reading the way the founders expected them to do. And they're not learning about the Constitution and debating constitutional principles and studying history because the history is complicated. These threads are always crossing and, you know, the people are switching sides to. You got to take the time to really educate yourself and it's so exciting to do it. I gather your listeners do like to read the primary sources and make up their own minds. But you got to take time and you can't take dogma from, you know, one side or the other. You got to figure out what you think.

Mark Levin (65:12)

The book is the Pursuit of Liberty. You're going to love this book. Perfect for the holidays, too. How Hamilton vs. Jefferson ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America. Very, very important to understand. This book takes you step by step by step throughout American history. I agree. What we're lacking so badly is the study of American history. We have people telling us about the founding, pushing an ideological agenda. That is a bad mistake. You got to learn this stuff on your own. What Jeffrey does here is he's going to original sources, he's making the points. He's explaining what these men largely are doing. And it's absolutely fascinating. I want to encourage you to get it. Go to Amazon.com, any major bookstore. It's out right now. The Pursuit of how Hamilton vs. Jefferson ignited the Lasting Battle over Power in America. I'm going to tell you, I've enjoyed this. We're going to do it more often. It is a fantastic book and I wish you all the best with it.

Jeffrey Rosen (66:12)

Thank you so much, Mark. It's an honor to talk to you. I'd to love so love the conversation and can't wait to continue it. Thank you.

Mark Levin (66:18)

Amen. God bless Tony. It's a great book. You folks are going to love this book, the Pursuit of Liberty. You go to Amazon.com and grab it. And here's the thing. Jeffrey Rosen writes his own books too, just like I do. There's no ghostwriters. There's none of that. And if you want to go to original sources, he has them in the back of the book, in his notes, sections, like you're supposed to do, because he's a very ethical writer. And I think that's very, very important. And as I said, when I was writing my book, I had no idea he was writing what he was writing. You know, when you're an author, a serious author, you're writing a book, you're not even paying attention to what anybody else is doing. I don't even know what's coming out. It's just you're focused on what you do. So this book, the Pursuit of Liberty, is a great book. If you want to grab mine while you're on Amazon on power, you can do that too. But I'm here to talk about Jeffrey Rosen's book. It is really that Good. All right, Mr. Producer, what am I doing here? All I have to do is find the damn thing. Let me see here. You know what? We're gonna take a early break. I will find it. I've got a lot of paper here. We'll be right back.

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Mark Levin (67:33)

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My wireless company, PR talk. You know, ladies and gentlemen, if you read my book Rediscovering Americanism, when Jeffrey Rosen mentioned Herbert Crowley, you will have known who he was and Woodrow Wilson. And there were several, not a ton, but several of the so called intellectuals and scholars who took basically Marx's writings and Americanized them. You'll also see it touched on less thoroughly in American Marxism because I touched on it so thoroughly. On rediscovering Americanism. I try and bring you the history of America, the history that has led to our modern times. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. And all these books. When my day comes, it's going to be the books I think, if anything, if anything, that people might dust off and take a look at. People will forget radio, they'll forget tv, because that's the nature of things. And I write books because I want them to last. I want these arguments to last. I want people to go back and say, okay, not that he was right, although I like that I'm not here to know, but let's take a second look at what he was saying. You're not going to find that in the media that cover me in this show. Always looking for one liners to twist and so forth and so on. You can see that in the modern aggregating of these websites, it's always stir the pot, it's always create controversy. And I don't doubt some of the things I say under the modern understanding of what controversy is, are controversial. I personally don't think any of it's controversial. I think it's just flat out facts and truth. But other people, through their own lenses, you know, they come up with their own conclusions. But some of these outlets, some of these newer outlets in particular, they're not looking for anything substantive. They say they are, but they're not. You can't read my books without seeing things that are substantive in the way that I make the case. And I want to encourage you strongly to get this book, the Pursuit of Liberty. I don't know Jeffrey Rosen very well, but I know this book. It's a damn good book. And I know what he does, which is very, very important. And you heard him promoting the Constitution and American history, that we just don't do it enough. I try to do some of it here and certainly in the books I write. But Herbert Crowley and Woodrow Wilson were among the early so called intellectuals and scholars for progressivism. That is the nomenclature they gave it themselves, which I write about and change, calling it American Marxism, the customizing or tailoring of Marxism to fit into the American sort of, sort of culture. And we see that today where, you know, Marx focused on material historicism, he focused on economics. Now, that still happens, but in America, the main focus is race. And now the main focus is becoming faith, Islamism and victim versus victimizer, oppressed versus oppressor. Here some of our friends in radio and on cable TV use these phrases. Unfortunately, most of them don't know what they're talking about. They don't understand the context for it. I try to explain that at some length too. But Crowley and Wilson and others, they pushed this whole idea that the centralization of government, government interference, government regulations, redistribution of wealth through taxation, having a common education through public schools and so forth, was for the people. Now, the people didn't have a hell of a lot of say in it, but was for the people. And that really comes from, in many respects, Rousseau, in my view, which is why I've written about Rousseau, and I think a lot of Marx comes from Hegel, which is why I've written about Hegel. It's not to say they didn't modify. They do modify, but, you know, you always stand on somebody else's shoulders. No matter how unique and original you think you're thinking, thinking or writing is this whole idea of these concepts of freedom. One of the men who wrote brilliantly about it was Isaiah Berlin, who I touch on this book on power. If you don't have it, you really ought to think about it because it's a type book, tightly written, and I cover a world of information. He came up with the idea of negative liberty and positive liberty. And I use that to explain how what he's really talking about is negative power and positive power. In fact, most of the people who talk about liberty and rights are talking about the distribution of power, who has it, who exercises it, whether it's individual, whether it's governmental, whether it's a faction, whether it's small d, democratic and so forth and so on. And that's why I wrote the book on power. After a while, I got to. To think about this and I said, you know, we can talk about liberty, we can talk about rights, we can talk about all these things, but in the end, it comes to power, doesn't it? That's why it's so crucial who's in the White House and who's not, who's in Congress and who's not. But it's crucial in your own life. People have a position, a power over you. They can determine whether you have a job or don't have a job, whether you have a career or don't have a career. Very important. And that's the whole point of the book on power. But I just love this book that Jeffrey Rosen has written here, the Pursuit of Liberty. And these are the kinds of books that really get my blood flowing. And it's a great book, you know, in about six to eight weeks, I've got a big announcement for you. A little bit of a change. I can't tell you yet, but I will tell you in about six to eight weeks. And very excited about it. You know, I'm not somebody that likes change that much. I'm really not. I like my routine and that's the way it is. But sometimes, sometimes change is invigorating, like it will be in this instance. Again in about six to eight weeks. I'll let you know exactly what I'm talking about. I'll be right back. Folks, we're living in a time when America's most cherished values are being challenged. Values like faith, family and freedom. And that's why I support amac, the association of Mature American Citizens. AMAC is the choice for Americans who care deeply about preserving the principles that have guided this nation for generations. Whether you're concerned about your future, your children's future, or just want to stay informed and connected, AMAC is for you. As a member of the association of Mature American Citizens, you'll receive access to fantastic benefits and discounts on travel insurance, prescription services, as well as exclusive member only tools and resources that make a difference in everyday life. 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Mark Levin (76:33)

Hello, America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 8773-8138-1187-7381-38111. At the bottom of the hour, it's your turn. We'll grab your call. Before we do, I promised you last hour. I wanted to play this, the short clip when I was on Hannity last night. I know everybody can't watch and listen to radio and TV constantly. So I wanted to get into this a little bit and then discuss it briefly and get your input as well. So here we are. Cut one on Hannity, on Fox last night. Go. They're a terror organization. Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Now they're mad at people that want peace in their own region, and they're assassinating them. And, you know, you heard the President. Eradicate's a pretty strong word. It is. And I've listed here in front of me, truth Social. The president knows exactly what Hamas is. October 21, October 16, October 14, October 4, October 3. And I go back, he's making it clear Hamas is a terrorist group. They better follow the rules or they're going to be obliterated. This is a very complex peace plan. This phase two. What happens to Hamas? They're to be disarmed. They're to surrender. They're not to have any power whatsoever. But they've already renounced it. They've already said, we're not going anywhere. We're not disarming. They tell the mediators one thing, they are centralizing power now. They're destroying, killing, torturing, interrogating anybody who they think is a challenge to them. In other words, in their little orbit, they're becoming more powerful, not less powerful. And this is a problem. This is a very complex peace plan. The President's right. You've got scores of countries involved, scores of governments involved, scores of personalities involved, different faiths involved, different. All kinds of things involved. We've never seen anything like this. He deserves great credit for this as the Jared Kushner friend of mine, Steve Witkoff, who I'm becoming friendly with, the Prime Minister, who's a friend of mine, his man, Ron Dermer, who's a friend of mine. You got the smartest people working on this. But the fact of the matter is, you're going to have to destroy Hamas because Hamas is not a partner. They're not a country, they're not a team player. They don't believe in diplomacy. Here's the 1988 Hamas original charter. The complete destruction of Israel. Obliteration of Israel through jihad, holy war. Establishment of an Islamic state to replace the state of Israel and to impose Sharia law. Rejection of negotiations, that is dismisses any negotiated settlement or peace initiatives with Israel. I would suggest people read this. Anti Semitic rhetoric and conspiracies. Language directed at the Jewish people, not just the State of Israel. That is Hamas. Hamas is slaughtering Palestinian Muslims, other Palestinians, other Muslims. And the world is silent. The UN is silent. The Security Council, silent. The river to the sea crowd Our universities are silent. The Hamas supporting front groups in our country, terror. And the rest, silent. So apparently it's okay to slaughter Palestinians if it's Palestinians slaughtering Palestinians? I don't believe that. But that's exactly what Hamas is doing in the Emir of Qatar. Dare I mention he put out a speech today, one of the biggest speeches of the year. Here's what he. What has taken place in the Gaza Strip over the past two years amounts to genocide, a term that encapsulates all atrocities. It is regrettable that international legitimacy remains incapable of enforcing its respect when it comes to the tragedy of our brotherly Palestinian people. We hereby reaffirm our condemnation of all Israeli violations and practices in Palestine, particularly the transformation of the Gaza Strip into an area unfit for human life. The continued breaches of the ceasefire, the expansion of settlements in the West Bank, Judea and Samaria, the ongoing attempts to Judaize Al Sharam Al Sharif, that is the Dome of the Rock, Al Aqsa Mosque, the holiest place for the Jews. We also reaffirmed that the Gaza Strip is an integral part of the Palestinian territories in the United State of Palestine. So that's where our top mediator's head is. They poured $1.8 billion into Hamas. They haven't renounced Hamas. They didn't denounce Hamas. Theirs. Hamas is slaughtering fellow Palestinians. They didn't say a word about it. And they were relying on Turkey. Here's Erdogan. You know, the Prime Minister of Israel was invited by the President of Egypt to join all the other countries. And the prime Minister of Israel said yes. And then he had to say no. Why? Because Erdogan, who hates Israel, who's an Islamist, who threatens them with military extinction and economic distinction, who's a genocidal maniac who's taken over his country. He opposed Netanyahu's attendance, and it was confirmed by his chief of staff. They called Sisi, the President of Egypt, and said, if Netanyahu is there, I'm not coming. Now, these are the two leading countries, so where am I going with this? It's simple. Hamas was surrounded by. It is the only army on the face of the earth in modern military history while Israel surrounds its enemy, is about to destroy and pulls back for the sake of peace, for the sake of international harmony, and because they're pressured. They surrounded Hamas, they were going to destroy Hamas, and they pulled back. Okay, great. Who's going to take out Israel now? Nations hesitant to send troops to Gaza, fearing clashes with Hamas. Apparently, most of the Arab and Muslim world wants nothing to do with the Palestinians. They wouldn't take any. They want less to do with Hamas. It's going to require Israel and the IDF once again. That's how you're going to get peace once and for all. That is precisely how it's going to have to be done or it'll be a false peace. It'll be a false peace otherwise, because Hamas is not going anywhere. I want to get to a few other things because we are going to take calls that I think are important. Ted Cruz was at the Cornerstone Church, the megachurch Pastor John Hagee and family. And he is just fantastic. He's one of my best friends. And it's The Hagee Ministries 45th annual night to honor Israel. 45th annual night to honor Israel. And nobody does it like Pastor Hagee and his church. And their special guest was the great Ted Cruz. I want you to listen to this just a few minutes. It's a fantastic event. Fantastic church pastor, family, fantastic. Senator. Cut four, go.

Ted Cruz (83:30)

But the danger that I want to highlight to you tonight is not anti Semitism on the left, it is anti Semitism on the right. And I'm here to tell you in the last six months, I have seen anti Semitism rising on the right in a way I have never seen it in my entire life. Listen, CUFI is extraordinary. The work that CUFI does is desperately, desperately needed. But I'm here to tell you the church is asleep right now. If I pick up my phone and send out a tweet, if I say good morning, within minutes I will have hundreds of blatantly anti Semitic responses. When Prime Minister Netanyahu was here a few months ago, I sat down with him for a couple of hours. I raised this issue with him. And his. His first reaction was he said, well, that's Qatar, that's Iran. They're paying for it. It's AstroTurf. And I said, Mr. Prime Minister, yes, but no. Yes, Qatar and Iran are clearly paying for it, and there are bots and they are putting real money behind it. But I am telling you, this is real. It is organic. These are real human beings and it is spreading. In the last year, we had three prominent voices on the right publicly muse, gosh, maybe Hitler wasn't that bad a guy after all. Yes, he was. He was the embodiment of evil. And I asked Prime Minister Netanyahu, I said, imagine how different American political history would have been if Rush Limbaugh had been an anti Semite instead of a Philo Semite. We would have a fundamentally different country if Rush Limbaugh had spent years spreading poison. I want to tell especially folks that are no longer teenagers or in your 20s. This poison of anti Semitism on the right, it is spreading with young people. It is gaining traction. Part of it is philosophical. There's an isolationism. So they will argue, what business do we have supporting Israel? Why should America support Israel? It's their problem. Let them deal with it. And let me give you an answer as someone elected to represent 31 million Texans and fight every day for your jobs, your freedom and your safety and security. The United States supports Israel not because we are helping out a down on his luck neighbor. We're not engaged in a charity act. The United States supports Israel because it is unequivocally in the national security interest of the United States to support Israel.

Mark Levin (86:47)

He's fantastic. And there's several senators who are fantastic and he's right on. Israel's fighting our enemy, their enemy, of course, but the enemy of the west, the enemy of America, the enemy of Jews and Christians and moderate Muslims and atheists and gay people and straight people. And Israel's doing the heavy lifting. That's why we support Israel. We share a biblical connection, the Judeo Christian connection. And let me slip in another great, a great governor. This is a man who I hope will be president one day, quite frankly, and that's Ron DeSantis. He's my governor in Florida. And I don't have to wake up every day worrying about what the hell is going to happen in Florida. This guy's unbelievable. Cut five, go.

Ron DeSantis (87:46)

Just look back and think, you know, we're not even 25 years removed from September 11th. And it was universal in that city and around the country. You know, never again. We were never going to go down this road. And then you got a guy who is sympathetic with communism, Islamism and he's going to get elected mayor in this city. I think quite frankly, it's a disgrace. But I also think that it shows you New York City hasn't hit rock bottom. I mean, we remember New York City under Giuliani and even after that and then how it's gone south with de Blasio. This guy makes de Blasio look like Ronald Reagan. I mean, like he is way far left of that. And I think when you're somebody that wants to disband the ny, nypd, those rank and file officers, those are blue collar, hard working people, they are not going to want to work For a guy like this, I think you're going to see a lot of turmoil, and I think that it will show that the city will further go down.

Mark Levin (88:48)

He's unbelievable, too. DeSantis. What a tremendous governor. Truly, in my lifetime, I've lived a little while probably the greatest governor. He and Reagan. He and Reagan. So I don't write him off yet. In fact, I'm very excited about the possibilities for Ron DeSantis. Time will tell. I'll be right back. With Donald Trump back in office, one of his biggest adversaries, top Democrat Dick Durbin of Chicago, is leading the charge to derail President Trump's agenda at every turn. And now Senator Durbin has a new scheme, a government takeover of your credit card. Right now, Americans have thousands of credit card options, all with equal strong security. But Durbin's plan could result in less security. That means more risk for your credit, your identity, and your financial future. Durbin's bill isn't about helping consumers. It's a giveaway to corporate megastores, which could shift costs onto you while putting your rewards and fraud protections in jeopardy. We've seen Durbin's failed policies before his last big banking regulation backfired, leading to higher costs and fewer benefits for American families. Tell Republican senators, stop Durbin's government takeover of your credit card before it's too late. Learn more@guardyourcard.com that's guard your card.com paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. This guy. Damn Goldman. Who is a radical leftist. He is a fraud and a phony. He's as dishonest as they come. But he's even worried about Mandani's rhetoric. Democrat from New York. You've seen him before. He's repulsive. Cut six, go. You're a New Yorker. You have yet to endorse Zoramdani for mayor. Are you ready to endorse him? You know, I've had conversations with him. I'm not ready to endorse him.

Ted Cruz (90:57)

Are you going to vote for him?

Mark Levin (91:00)

I don't know what I'm going to do, to be honest. You're going to vote for Cuomo? I don't know. Honestly, I haven't gotten to that point. I've been trying to work through these issues. You know, I'm a Democrat at heart, and I believe in Democratic, the party. I am very. Let me just stop there. The guy is a Democratic Socialist, AKA Marxist, Islamist. This guy's Jewish, but he's a Democrat. And so he's struggling, you see, because he's a Democrat. He's trying to figure out what is more important to me, my party or my faith, My party or my country? My party or my values. And this is a problem a lot of Democrats have because they're power hungry. The party comes first most of the time. And I was trying to figure out what do I do, what do I do? I mean, this is an easy call. This is not a complicated one at all. You're either in an immoral self hating Jew or an immoral self hating American or you're not. Go ahead. The rhetoric coming from Zoran Mandani and I can tell you as a Jew in New York who was in Israel on October 7, I and many other people are legitimately scared because there has been violence. So why can't you just say I do not agree with him. I find him to be extremely troubling. I don't like his associations. I don't like his rhetoric. And is a good Democrat, of course I'm voting against him. Why is that so hard? Well, I told you why. I told you why. These people dream, sleep, pray. Democrat Party. I'll be right back. Israel is at war with Iran, a nation whose leaders have vowed to wipe Israel and even the United States off the map. In a necessary act of self defense, Israel struck Iranian nuclear facilities, military targets and top leadership. Right now, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is on the ground preparing large scale distributions of life saving food, first aid and emergency kits, especially to Israel's most vulnerable people, the sick, the elderly, children and families in great need. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is also making sure that hospitals, emergency rooms and shelters are fully stocked with critical and life saving medical supplies. But the Fellowship needs your most generous gift today to make this work possible. Now is the time, ladies and gentlemen, to stand with Israel's most vulnerable to rush your gift. Call 888-585-IFCJ and donate today. That's 888-585-IFCj or online at levin for the fellowship.org that's L E V I N for the fellowship.org Mark Levine, the.

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Mark Levin (94:07)

All right, grateful we have a president, that we have our fantastic President Trump, the governor DeSantis. I mean, could it be any better? And then you look at New York City where they're going to have this Mandani monstrosity. Monstrosity. Yep. Gotta keep fighting them. They're gonna have to fight him in Albany, they're gonna try. Of course that's heavy Democrat too. That's what happens when you get a one party state. But I hope that'll change. I'm hoping that Elise Stefanik runs for governor, I really am. We're gonna get behind her very strongly should she run. And Hochul now has a huge stain on her record called Mondani. He has no respect for her whatsoever. She endorses him and he won't endorse her. Did you see that, Mr. Producer? It's hilarious. She's a moron. Let's take a few calls. Let's go to Scott, Denver, Colorado, Sirius XM satellite, our wonderful company there. How are you?

Caller (95:11)

I'm doing great. Thank you for taking my call. Hey, I originally called comment on New York City and Commie Monvani. Frankly I just want to take you back real quick off. Just play the center.

Mark Levin (95:26)

We're not, we don't have a good connection. It's always disappointing. Mr. Call screener or Madam Call Screener. Let's get the number and call him back. Let's go to Robert, Santa Clara, California, the great KSFO country. How are you?

Caller (95:42)

Hi Mark, great to talk to you. You know I have two things to bring up. I watched to hear the river to the Sea crowd, you know all these occupation of the Jews and all that stuff. So what about if you're living in let's say Gaza and you're a Christian ethnic Palestinian or an ethnic Jew or.

Mark Levin (95:59)

You want to live.

Caller (96:01)

I mean they don't want to be underneath Hamas, right? No one wants to be underneath the Islamists. But one thing I want to bring about, promising everyone free halal or cheap halal food and commander commandeer hotel room or apartment rooms and expropriating madder than Hugo Chavez as he smirks that he's going to bring peace.

Mark Levin (96:19)

You remember that film of Hugo Chavez walking down the streets in Venezuela? I think it was Caracas, but wherever it was, and he's pointing at apartment buildings and office buildings and he says to the reporters there in Spanish, obviously, see that? That now belongs to the state. See that? We're going to take that. See that? That now belongs to us. That's what he was doing. It was like, oh my God. Now they do it a little differently in our country. They do it through taxation and redistribution of wealth and regulations. And you're right, they just commandeer these things and say there's an emergency. So that's for illegal. This guy is going to maximize the Marxist ideology. All he can is going to try and enshrine it. They're going to change forever the voting system. Hopefully, from his perspective, he can't lose. Oh, this is going to be bad. This is good. People think it's just four years. This is going to be really bad.

Caller (97:18)

Well, it's. The radical, egalitarian Pied Piper is going to take us right off the cliff like all the lemmings.

Mark Levin (97:24)

And it's going to spread. It's going to spread. And there's a reason why Qatar supports his candidacy. How come I'm the only one that talks about this? How can you oppose Mandani and yet support Qatar? That's a fair question, isn't it? And Qatar funded his mother, which means the family. This guy is. He's all in with this Hamas stuff. That's why he talks the way he does. He has the associations. He does. That's why Qatar supports him. Qatar is no mediator. Qatar is a perpetrator. They buy politicians in this country. They buy them cheap. Cheap politicians in both parties. That's what they do. Thank you for your call, my friend. Is Scott back or not? All right, let's give Scott a shot here. Scott, go right ahead, please, from Denver, Colorado.

Ted Cruz (98:18)

Yes, sir.

Mark Levin (98:19)

Real quick.

Caller (98:19)

I originally called in with a comment on New York City and Mandani. Frankly, I just want to piggyback real quick on that clip you just played with Senator Cruz regarding the church being asleep, I really cannot echo those sentiments more strongly. I think men and women of faith are foremost responsible for these election outcomes. You know, last hour was fascinating, and I just. I love those discussions and those guests you have on with the deep constitutional context. You know, not only were our founding fathers bolstered in these deep, deep Judeo roots, but most people don't realize that our successful government actually came from our Jewish brothers and sisters. In Exodus 18, where Moses, having led the Israelites out of Egypt, was totally floundering, and his father in law, Jethro, came from Midian and said, hey, Moses, listen, you need to find godly leaders and put them ahead of your tens and your hundreds and your thousands. And, you know, when Moses took his advice, he completely changed the trajectory of the Israelites and the Jews. And, I mean, that's obviously what we have today when you look at, you know, all the principles set forth by our founders and these, by the way.

Mark Levin (99:43)

This is one of the reasons they hate Netanyahu. Not that he's Moses, but he's a leader. And he has directed his people, the Jewish people in Israel, in a way in which they Defend themselves. They defeat these, these, these animals. They protect the Holy Land, which is really God's holy land. It's what it is. And, and that's why Netanyahu will be a historic figure for as long as humanity exists. This is why he's hated by the Bannons and the Katarl sins, who really have thrown in with the Islamists and the Marxists, giving them aid and comfort, directly and indirectly, questioning our history, questioning the history of World War II, trashing the greatest generation. These people are reprobates, they're contemptible. And of course, they give cover to the Islamists and the Marxists who are on the rise in our country. So it's a diversion. It's very, very dangerous, all of what's taking place. So the more people they attack, the Islamists, the Marxists and these, these, these fake influencers and fake maga, those are the people in most cases who you ought to pay attention to. Those are the people in most cases who are leaders that we need to have. Not all, but most. And Netanyahu is a remarkable, remarkable man, as is Donald Trump. And the fact that God Hashem has brought them together really on Earth at the same time, I believe that's his doing, and I believe that's very, very important. And I want to thank you for your call. Excellent call, my friend. Appreciate it. Let's see here. We get a lot of good callers these days. Let me get rid of this. The old list. Bring in the new. It's already October 22nd. Can you believe that? Can I have a big announcement in four to six weeks for you? No, I'm not running for president. I hope I'm never running from the President, depending on who it is. Let's go to Ken Brooksville, Florida, the great W. XJB. Ken, go right ahead, please.

Caller (101:50)

Yes, Dr. Levin, I talked to Congressman Tom Price. His Dr. Price, long time ago wrote the. Right, but the point is, sir, he, he wrote the Empower Patient first act between 2010 and 2015. They're sitting in the Congressional archive. I. Yesterday.

Mark Levin (102:10)

Why are we having all these phone problems? Go ahead.

Caller (102:14)

Huh? I'm sorry.

Mark Levin (102:15)

Yeah, okay. Get cut to the chase, my brother.

Caller (102:19)

Brothers. I'm just trying to get. I'm trying to get Sean and yourself and others to.

Mark Levin (102:24)

Well, I don't know what you're talking about. You got Tom Price a bill that's sitting in the archive. What is the bill? What does it do?

Caller (102:30)

Bill is HR 2300 now.

Mark Levin (102:32)

What does it do?

Caller (102:32)

The empower pays. It's the one that makes the Obamacare market competitive, period.

Mark Levin (102:38)

I oppose Obamacare altogether. I think it's a disaster. I don't think it can be fixed. I think they need to start over and get rid of it. What do you think of that? That's the Mark Levin bill. We'll be right back.

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Mark Levin (102:59)

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Caller (106:47)

Thanks. Mark, I just got this. This is from the Associated Press and I wanted your thoughts. It says, after previously blocking the deployment of National Guard troops to the Chicago area, U.S. district Judge April Perry today extended that order indefinitely until the case has been decided in her court where the US Supreme Court intervened.

Mark Levin (107:12)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She. We got another guy, Cummings. They're doing things that they have no authority to do. These are all radical left wing judges. They have no power to stop the President of the United States from enforcing existing immigration laws. And yet that. These are the cadre of activist lawyers they've put on the bench. I want to salute all you heroes out there. I want to thank you for listening. It's a great honor. And we'll reconvene tomorrow, same place, same time. God bless each and every one of you. Have a wonderful evening.