11/20/25 - Texas Redistricting Ruckus: Judges Clash Over Race and Politics

Summary

Mark Levin Podcast

Episode: Texas Redistricting Ruckus: Judges Clash Over Race and Politics
Date: November 21, 2025
Host: Mark Levin (Cumulus Podcast Network)
Guests: Hans von Spakovsky, Stephen A. Smith, Sean Hannity, Gabe Kaminsky

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the explosive judicial conflict over Texas’s recent congressional redistricting, focusing on a highly contentious 2-1 federal court decision and a blistering dissent. Mark Levin dissects the legal, political, and cultural implications of the case, explores allegations of judicial misbehavior, examines contemporary issues of race and partisanship, and hosts high-profile guests including Hans von Spakovsky, Stephen A. Smith, and Sean Hannity. The episode also touches on themes of media bias, partisan polarization, the role of new media figures, anti-Semitism, and broader questions about America’s future.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Texas Redistricting Court Decision (01:55–14:00)

Summary of the Court Ruling

• A 3-judge federal panel (2-1) blocked Texas’s new congressional map, claiming it was racially motivated.
• Judge Jerry Smith’s dissent (104 pages) was "the most scathing denunciation" Levin’s ever read.
• The majority (Judges Brown and Guadarrama) allegedly "collaborated" to push the decision before Smith could properly dissent.

Judicial Misconduct Allegations

• Jerry Smith accused the majority of “pernicious judicial misbehavior” and procedural abuse.
  • Quote (04:09):
    “Smith accused Brown and Guadarrama of, quote, pernicious judicial misbehavior, unquote. ...I've never heard of this before.” —Mark Levin
• Smith details being denied reasonable time to reply; says this is unprecedented in 40 years.

Smith’s Dissent – Major Criticisms

• Accuses the majority of blatant judicial activism:
  • Quote (08:10):
    “The most blatant exercise of judicial activism that he has ever witnessed…” —Mark Levin reading Judge Smith
• Argues the redistricting was about partisan advantage, not race.
  • Quote (09:50):
    “The obvious reason for the Texas redistricting... was partisan gain, not racism.” —Judge Smith via Levin
• Dismisses the plaintiffs’ theory (that limiting more GOP seats proves racial bias) as "perverse and bizarre".

Political Implications

• Judge Smith: “The main winners... are George Soros and Gavin Newsom. The obvious losers are the people of Texas and the rule of law.” (05:54)
• Smith urges the Supreme Court to reverse the order: “With this decision... darkness descends on the rule of law.” (12:20)

Media & Public Perception

• Levin compares the Texas case to “one-party gerrymanders” in blue states (California, Massachusetts).
• Emphasizes the lack of similar scrutiny for Democrats.

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2. Conversation with Hans von Spakovsky (Heritage Foundation) (20:09–27:40)

Expert Analysis on the Judicial Process

• Von Spakovsky underscores Judge Smith’s credibility and the extraordinary nature of his dissent.
  • Quote (21:24):
    “He talks about the pernicious judicial misbehavior of Judge Brown… [including] a two page list of all of the... misleading, deceptive and false statements that Judge Brown put in the majority opinion.”
• Notes that all challenging lawyers were funded by George Soros-backed groups.
  • Quote (22:24):
    “They were all getting paid by who? George Soros and these liberal organizations...”

On Erosion of Judicial Norms

• Hans: “We almost never see this kind of a tone in an opinion, and that in itself tells you how bad the misbehavior was...”
• Levin and Hans agree that partisan judicial conduct and radical appointees have eroded trust in the courts.

Prediction & Next Steps

• Both expect the Supreme Court to stay the injunction; stress urgency due to upcoming elections.

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3. Political Violence, Media Spin, and 'Sedition' Debate (15:06, 16:32–37:54)

Democratic Accusations Against Trump

• Levin reacts to claims that Trump is calling for the execution of Democratic lawmakers for “seditious behavior.”

  • Levin and Carolyn Levitt (Trump WH) clarify Trump was condemning behavior—not calling for executions.

• Levitt and Levin assert some Democratic lawmakers urged the military to disobey Trump, which Levin labels as crossing into sedition.

  • Quote (28:29):
    “Urging the military to reject the Commander in chief, to undermine our system of government… If the military adhered to it, it would be insurrection.” —Mark Levin

• Levin lambasts media hypocrisy, suggesting media ignores Democratic violations but inflates Trump’s statements.

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4. Interview with Stephen A. Smith: Race, Media, & Political Division (49:13–70:41)

Navigating Political and Racial Narratives

• Stephen A. Smith discusses being open-minded and pursuing truth, not ideological conformity.
  • Quote (51:35):
    “You should be in tireless pursuit of the truth, obviously… be unapologetic about stating where you stand… but you're open minded enough to be corrected.”
• Smith highlights manipulation of historical party alignment regarding racism/civil rights.
• Discusses his upbringing in a “conservative to the core” household that voted Democrat—a dynamic he sees as widespread.

On Capitalism and Opportunity

• Smith affirms pride in capitalism and the American dream:
  • Quote (55:50):
    “Yes, I am, and proud of it. I'm not into socialism. I'm not into communism. I'm an American citizen.”

On Trump and Political Divide

• Smith shares past positive interactions with Trump, rejects “racist” claims.
• Critiques Trump's lack of statesmanship but supports some policies, e.g., on immigration.
  • “All of this racist stuff, Nazi stuff, you never heard those words coming out of my mouth because I knew that was nonsense.” (63:43)
• Worries both left and right treat politics as “Armageddon” if their side loses; urges for common sense and focus on unity.

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5. Media, New Media Figures, and Political Influence (89:42–109:04)

Investigating Nick Fuentes and the Far-Right Ecosystem

• Gabe Kaminsky reports on Nick Fuentes’s political activities and new nonprofit.

• Raises concerns about new media (podcasters like Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, Steve Bannon) using outrage and extremism to drive clicks—and inadvertently empowering destructive fringe actors.

  • Quote (99:24):
    “They're not particularly profound… but man, if they could stir the pot, push the conspiracies… that's what sells.”

• Levin and Kaminsky agree: short-term incentives for online outrage are harmful to political culture and risk fracturing the GOP electoral coalition.

• Kaminsky notes possible undisclosed funding ("dark money") flowing to extremist organizations.

Moral, Civic Decay, and Pushback

• Levin argues that lack of pushback from responsible cultural institutions (media, churches, synagogues) allows extremism to flourish.
  • “A lot of young people… start listening to these people… and the more they hear of them… the more this becomes acceptable.” (102:06)

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6. Cultural Flashpoints, Israel, and National Security (74:04–88:19)

Israel at War & U.S. Foreign Policy

• Levin and Sean Hannity discuss Israel’s self-defense against Iran, U.S.-Israel relations, and responses to anti-Semitism.
  • Hannity: “If a foreign entity fired one missile into one American town… what would you want your government to do?”
  • Levin and Hannity both praise Trump’s foreign policy as strong but non-isolationist (“Trump doctrine”).

Law & Order, Domestic Security

• Hannity gives harrowing examples of repeat offenders and the erosion of public safety.
  • “If you don't have law and order… you don't have any ability to pursue happiness.” (78:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Judicial Misconduct:
  “I've never, ever, in all the years I have been practicing law, ever seen anything like this.” —Mark Levin (04:09)
• On Redistricting Motives:
  “The obvious reason for the Texas redistricting... was partisan gain, not racism.” —Judge Smith via Levin (09:50)
• On Media Culture:
  “They want to get in all these fights… While it's great to have this sort of competition of these different platforms… in so many ways it's created, I think, really a thuggish, nasty atmosphere.” —Mark Levin (99:21)
• On Unity vs. Partisanship:
  “We can agree without being disagreeable and we could go from there.” —Stephen A. Smith (51:35)
• On the Risks of Fringe Influence:
  “If they rule the roost or win the day or even have an influence over 3, 4, 5% of the vote… they could destroy MAGA. They can elect the Democrats…” —Mark Levin (95:51)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening/Redistricting Intro: 01:55
• Judge Smith’s Dissent & Analysis: 03:43–14:00
• Hans von Spakovsky Interview: 20:09–27:40
• Trump/Democratic Lawmaker Sedition Debate: 16:32–37:54
• Stephen A. Smith Interview & Political Commentary: 49:13–70:41, 59:14–63:16
• Sean Hannity Conversation – Israel, Law & Order: 75:28–88:19
• Nick Fuentes/New Media/Podcasts Discussion (with Gabe Kaminsky): 89:42–109:04

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Tone & Noteworthy Aspects

• Style: The episode is energetic, combative, and rich with legal and political analysis, matching Mark Levin’s signature passionate, no-holds-barred tone.
• Content Mix: Combines breaking legal news, in-depth interviews with experts and cultural commentators, and sharp media criticism.
• Engagement: Robust cross-talk with guests from diverse backgrounds (legal, media, sports), keeping discussions dynamic.

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For Listeners

This episode is crucial for listeners interested in:

• The interplay between race, party politics, and redistricting law.
• Judicial conduct and the politicization of the courts.
• How media, including alternative and new media, shape political perception and polarization.
• Real-world implications of legal and cultural battles for national unity and democratic norms.
• Honest appraisals—from a conservative perspective—of both the left and the right.

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Transcript

[Mark Levin]

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[Sean Hannity]

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[Mark Levin (Intro/Announcer Voice)]

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[Hans von Spakowski]

SAM.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Hello America.

[Mark Levin]

Mark Levin here. Our number, 8773-8138-1187-7381-3811. I decided, ladies and gentlemen, to look.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

At what is a crucially consequential decision if it's not reversed in Texas involving those those 10 seats that Governor Abbott and the legislature created and the attack by this three judge panel, the appellate panel, two judges voting that it was unconstitutional. One judge in an incredible dissent over a hundred pages long, absolutely rejected it. And I want to read you what our friends Hans von Spakowski had to say about it. He's a great guy at the Heritage Foundation, a longtime friend and years ago he worked in the civil rights division handling voting rights cases. Said On Tuesday the media was filled with stories that a three judge panel had voted 2 to 1 to issue a 160 page order blocking the Texas legislature's new congressional redistricting plan.

[Mark Levin]

The order claimed the redistricting was unlawfully.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Based on race as opposed to partisanship, a claim at odds with what we.

[Mark Levin]

Saw happen in the partisan political fight.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Within the state legislature, which included a walkout by Democratic legislators. What wasn't attached to the order was the dissenting opinion by fifth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jerry Smith. Now, this man is a 37 year veteran of the federal judiciary, greatly respected for his legal acumen.

[Mark Levin]

In other words, he's a towering scholar.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Incredibly smart, he's an originalist. He sticks to the Constitution. He had a 104 page dissent.

[Mark Levin]

It came out a day later. It marks the most scathing denunciation, writes Hans, that I've ever read of another judge. Now, why would a dissent come out a day later?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

You're about to find out.

[Mark Levin]

In this case, the judge being denounced is Judge Jeffrey Vinson Brown. Brown, who wrote the majority decision along with Judge David Guadarrama who joined the opinion. In his dissent, Smith accused Brown and Guatemala of, quote, pernicious judicial misbehavior, unquote. In deliberately not providing Judge Smith with, quote, any reasonable opportunity to review Brown's opinion and respond before it was issued. I've never heard of this before. So these two collaborated, collaborated to circumvent the third judge because they didn't want that judge to have the time to reply to their majority opinion. They were going to just ram it through. I have never, ever in all the years I have been practicing law, ever seen anything like this. Judge Smith calls it the most outrageous conduct by a judge. And he's talking about this judge, Jeffrey Vincent Brown, the most outrageous behavior by a judge that I've ever encountered in a case in which I've been involved. Now, he's been on there 40 years almost. He spends four pages going through the timing involved and says that any pretense of judicial restraint, good faith or trust by these two judges is gone. Smith then starts off the substance of his dissenting opinion by acknowledging an undeniable fact. The main winners from Judge Brown's opinion are George Soros and Gavin Newsom. The obvious losers are the people of Texas and the rule of law.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Wow. And remember who this man is. He's not just a federal judge, he's a towering figure.

[Mark Levin]

Judge Jerry Smith proceeds to totally dismantle the majority's decision in its unsubstantiated claim that race, not politics, was the driving factor in the redistricting. Throughout, he repeats the phrase I dissent more than a dozen times. Smith even includes two pages of a non exhaustive list of misleading, deceptive or false statements. Judge Brown put forward a very serious charge against a sitting judge. Smith says the list would be considerably longer but for the press of time. Remember, he had to issue his opinion the next day.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

He said there's no lack of fodder. You know, there's no lack of evidence that this guy is a complete rogue judge. That is the judge he's condemning. Judge Brown.

[Mark Levin]

Judge Smith apologizes for his dissent being.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Disjointed, but says refining it was not.

[Mark Levin]

Possible because Brown and Gudaramma, quote, have not allowed it.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Unquote.

[Mark Levin]

Again, remember what they did. They issued their opinion without telling this judge. And so he had to quickly write.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

His dissent the next day.

[Mark Levin]

Thus his dissent far from a literary masterpiece. But if it were a Nobel prize for fiction, Judge Brown's opinion would be a prime candidate. He writes Now, Judge Smith says Brown's opinion is so deceptive and so lacking in facts or law that Brown could have saved himself and the readers a lot of time and effort by merely stating the I just don't like what the legislature did here. It was unnecessary and it seems unfair to disadvantaged voters. I need to step in and make sure wiser heads prevail over the nakedly partisan and racially questionable actions of these zealous lawmakers.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

He's mocking the judge.

[Mark Levin]

I'm using my considerable clout as a federal district judge to put a stop to bad policy judgments. After all, I get paid to do what I think is right. Judge Brown's actions are, Judge Smith wrote.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

In his dissent, the most blatant exercise of judicial activism that he has ever witnessed during his lengthy judicial career of nearly 40 years.

[Mark Levin]

Brown's actions are, Smith wrote, the most blatant exercise. According to Smith, the main question before the three judge panel was, quote, whether the Texas Legislature did its mid decade congressional districting to gain political advantage or instead, because the main goal of the Texas Republican legislators is to slash the voting rights of persons of color. Smith lightened the approach of the lawyers and witnesses in this case to that of the Department of Justice lawyers from the civil rights divisions in the prior Texas redistricting cases. He said it was obvious from the start that DOJ attorneys viewed state officials and the legislative majority and their staffs as a bunch of backwoods hayseed bigots who bemoan the abolition of the poll tax and pine for the days of literacy tests and lynching. And the DOJ lawyers saw themselves as an expeditionary landing party arriving here just in time to rescue the state from oppression.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

He's talking about decades ago and he's saying this case is no different. What's taking place here is an abomination. And Hans writes, having worked in the Civil Rights Division, I can assure you that this observation is absolutely 100% correct.

[Mark Levin]

While acknowledging that the Justice Department was not present in the case, Smith said that the same attitudes about Texas Republican.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Legislators have been reflected in the testimony.

[Mark Levin]

Of multiple experts and witnesses presented by.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

These plaintiffs and occasionally by their talented counsel in the statements of the parties.

[Mark Levin]

But the obvious reason for the Texas redistricting, Smith wrote, was partisan gain, not racism. The majority, he wrote, commits grave error in concluding that the Texas Legislature is more bigoted than political. And Judge Smith methodically points out all the grave errors Brown and Guadarrama made in evaluating the evidence in the case.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Over what the legislators did and how.

[Mark Levin]

And why the new districts were drawn.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And the way they were. Those errors are too numerous to list.

[Mark Levin]

Remember, this poor judge had to do this in a 24 hour period.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Judge Smith's conclusion, the majority committed grave errors, the key legal standard for overturning a preliminary order. Texas has already filed an appeal with the Supreme Court of the United States. Smith says the evidence in the case, as well as outside events like the victory lap in Houston to celebrate by California governor Gavin Newsom tell you all.

[Mark Levin]

You need to know.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

This is about partisan politics, plain and simple.

[Mark Levin]

Regardless of one's political slant, he wrote, it's obvious what Texas is trying to do in 2025.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Obvious to everyone, that is, except the two judges who joined the majority opinion.

[Mark Levin]

The Republicans national margin in the House of Representatives is so slim that squeezing out a majority might even depend day to day on whether some seats are vacant because of deaths or resignations. The new plan in Texas was to make more seats winnable for Republicans by moving some Democrat incumbents from their districts.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And rendering their districts unwinnable by Democrats.

[Mark Levin]

Smith described the plaintiffs theory, the one ultimately adopted by this rogue Judge Brown, as both perverse and bizarre. They claimed that if politics was the reason for redistricting, then the Republicans would not have drawn five new seats, but instead would have drawn six, seven or eight additional seats, and that the reason they didn't is that the real reason for the redistricting was racial animus. The absurdity of that notion, he said, speaks for itself. Smith concludes his dissent by citing the unfairness the majority is imposing on Texas voters, he says, who are having a map implemented by their duly elected legislature overturned by a self aggrandizing, results oriented court.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Man, he's ripping the skin off these two bastards.

[Mark Levin]

He tells the Supreme Court that Brown's order, replete with legal and factual error accompanied by naked procedural abuse, demands reversal.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

By the Supreme Court. And with this decision, Smith writes, darkness descends on the rule of law. These two judges, led by this guy Brown, they basically camouflage their opinions in the law. And yes, Brown was appointed by Trump. There's a lot of judges appointed by a lot of Republican presidents who flip once they're on the court. And this guy's obviously has flipped. Absolutely has flipped. It doesn't matter who appointed him, it doesn't tell you anything about him. What a disgrace. Absolute disgrace. Now let's see if the California system is upheld or not, which is a true outrage of the worst kind. Texas, you might say, did the same thing. No they didn't. They didn't even come close to doing what California did. Or Massachusetts, where there's not a single Republican district. How does that work? How is that constitutional? And we could go on and on by why would she why would we, the courts, destroy themselves when they conduct themselves this way and forever remember who this guy is. Judge Jeffrey Brown. A fake, a phony, a fraud.

[Mark Levin]

A kook lawyer dressed up as a judge.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

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[Mark Levin]

Earlier today, Donald Trump shared a post on Truth Social calling for Democratic members.

[Sean Hannity]

Of Congress to be hanged. He also posted a message that said.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Seditious behavior punishable by Death.

[Mark Levin]

Let's be crystal clear. The President of the United States is.

[Sean Hannity]

Calling for the execution.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

This poor dumb bastard, he doesn't know what to do. Sounds like he's having a breakdown. He's getting the shakes. He's davening more than usual. And he is a dead politician walking. In the sense that I don't think he can win again. I'm not sure AOC is the one either. Don't get me wrong, because she's dumb as a doorknob. And in a statewide campaign, it would become clear that she's platitudinous. She's a sloganeer. It's the usual clap trap that they get out of the Communist Manifesto, and that's about it. Like Mondami. But statewide, looks like Mondami's promises may not hold up. Just as a practical matter, people are saying, where's he going to get the money for free transportation? Funny, they didn't really talk about much of that during the course of the election. You need $700 million to begin with, mister. What was it? Billions of dollars to begin with. And the state's not going to cough that up. So where's he going to get it then? He says his whole plan for really a not a Disneyland filled with homes, but, you know, a commie land filled with homes. Looks like that's a problem. Now. Where are you going to get all the land from to build these things? Hmm. Practical things really do trip up these crackpot ideologues, doesn't it? And now, of course, the police commissioner is going to hang on. That's to her discredit her great discredit. If she becomes nothing but a puppet for him and a mouthpiece for him, and come January, hundreds of police officers are eligible to leave, then what are they going to do? They're going to fill those slots. So you know, reality is going to kick them where the sun doesn't shine. I'll be right back.

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[Mark Levin]

Well, it's a pleasure to have our friend Hans von Spakowski.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

We just read your piece on the dissent by Judge Smith with respect to Judge Brown. In plain English, Hans, what took place here was an absolute judicial power grab and a disgrace, was it not?

[Sean Hannity]

Yeah, it was.

[Hans von Spakowski]

Look, Jerry Smith, who wrote the dissent, as you know, he's a well respected member of the Fifth Circuit U.S. court of Appeals and he writes an opinion that just dismantles the majority opinion of the two judges. And I've never seen an opinion like this because he talks about the pernicious judicial misbehavior of Judge Brown. And in fact, the majority opinion, as you saw, is so, is so misleading that at the end of his decision, the dissent, Smith includes a two page list of all of the what he calls misleading, deceptive and false statements that Judge Brown put in the majority opinion.

[Mark Levin]

And he says he can go on further but he doesn't have time.

[Hans von Spakowski]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Sean Hannity]

No, that's exactly what he said.

[Hans von Spakowski]

He said it's a non exhaustive list. And you know, part of what happened here, I mean, he spends the first part of opinion talking about how Brown rushed this majority opinion through, he believes intentionally to prevent Smith from being able to review it properly to write the dissent. And I gotta tell you, and I'm sure you agree that I think the Supreme Court justices are going to pay a lot of attention to this dissent, particularly the accusations of misbehavior by Judge Brown.

[Mark Levin]

And people need to understand that Judge.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Sherry Smith was often a considered nominee for the Supreme Court of the United States. That's how much respect he has, certainly in the higher ranks of the judiciary. No.

[Mark Levin]

Yep.

[Hans von Spakowski]

No, that's correct. And it's also interesting, I didn't have time to get into this because, you know, op eds can't be that long. But he also spends pages going through the fact that all the challengers in this case, all of the lawyers involved, they were all Getting paid by who? George Soros and these liberal organizations to basically litigate this.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

He even says in there, doesn't he, that George Soros is happy and Newsom is happy as a result of the decision here.

[Hans von Spakowski]

Right, right, right. And look, you don't have to understand the law to realize, look, we all saw, we all saw the news. We saw what was going on in Texas. It was very clear. And this is a point Smith makes throughout his hundred page opinion. We all saw that the redistricting they put in place was for one reason, to gain a partisan advantage for Republicans. And yet perfectly. What you're allowed to do is perfectly constitutional. And yet Jerry Brown and his other, the other judge in this case claimed that. Oh, no, no, no. Politics wasn't the driving factor. Race was the driving factor. They wanted to slash the rights of persons of color in the state, which, like I said, it defies common sense and it clearly defies the actual evidence in the case.

[Mark Levin]

You know, our poor Supreme Court is.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Getting more and more of these, you know, these kinds of appeals, expedited appeals, emergency appeals, because of what's going on with these lower courts, isn't it?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, they are.

[Hans von Spakowski]

In fact, it's so bad that last month, I don't know if you've seen this, Mark, last month, I and another one of my colleagues, they started a new column, we're going to try to do it every month, called the Dishonorable Conduct Awards that we're going to give to these federal judges who, when they issue decisions, clearly are, and blatantly are violating the Constitution and federal law.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Mm. It's really, it's really sad because I remember the days when we used to have federal judges that did the right thing, even though it went against their political beliefs, before they put on the black robe, even though they were appointed by this one or that one. And it is utterly unreliable now, isn't it? These courts, they are.

[Hans von Spakowski]

It is. And part of the reason is, a large part of the reason is that, I mean, it's not limited to Biden appointees and Obama appointees, but those two presidents nominated and unfortunately got confirmed to the federal bench. The most left wing ideologues to have ever become federal judges in our entire history. And that's one of the reasons we're getting so many bad decisions. There are others by Clinton, but this.

[Mark Levin]

Guy Brown, this, this guy Brown is a Trump guy.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And I was explaining to the audience, sometimes these guys flip. They sit on the bench long enough.

[Sean Hannity]

That's right.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And this is, this is what happens. To them.

[Hans von Spakowski]

Yep, that's right. And, in fact, he issued a very bad decision just last year in another redistricting case out of Galveston County, Texas. And, in fact, Jerry Smith, in his dissent, talks about that other bad decision that this Judge Brown issued in that case.

[Mark Levin]

People need to know.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

They all work in the same courthouse, their chambers. They got to go through the same front and back door and everything. So it's not easy from a personal perspective to have to do what Judge Smith did with Brown, is it?

[Hans von Spakowski]

No, it isn't. And we almost never see this kind of a tone in an opinion, and that in itself tells you how bad the misbehavior was of Judge Brown.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Yeah.

[Mark Levin]

I mean, to cut out your colleague so he doesn't have time to.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

In all my years of practicing law and reading cases, I've never even seen this before. Have you ever seen a case where.

[Mark Levin]

This has happened before?

[Sean Hannity]

No.

[Hans von Spakowski]

And, in fact, Jerry Smith makes that. Makes that point in his dissenting opinion. He's been a judge for 37 years, and he says he's never, ever had anything like this happen to him.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Well, maybe there needs to be filings against that judge, Judge Brown, about what he did. But, you know, then I fear that whole process is another problem in terms of holding judges accountable and so forth. But you think the Supreme Court will reverse this? I think so. Smith's case was. I did look at this opinion. It was brutal. Absolutely brutal and overwhelming. I thought. No, I thought.

[Hans von Spakowski]

I thought so, too.

[Sean Hannity]

And I'm.

[Hans von Spakowski]

I'm hopeful that the Supreme Court will issue a stay of the injunction that was issued by Brown.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Mm. And they got to move on it, because here we are. People are getting ready to run for office. Yeah. All right, Hans, well done as usual. We appreciate it. Thank you, my friend.

[Hans von Spakowski]

Thanks for having me.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

All right. He's a good man. Hans von Spakowski. As I said, he came out of the Civil Rights Division. The Justice Department handled a lot of voting rights cases. This is what. This is wheelhouse. And he does that over at A Heritage, too. And he does a great job, as a matter of fact. All right, let's circle back to. Chuck Schumer's very upset with what Donald Trump had to say, of course. Carolyn Levitt at the White House today. Cut one, please. Go.

[Carolyn Levitt]

This morning, President Trump accused six Democratic lawmakers of seditious behavior.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Okay, let me say their behavior was seditious. If that's not seditious, you know, you got January 6th.

[Mark Levin]

They talk about insurrections and sedition and so forth. So now we have six elected members.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Of Congress in the Senate and the.

[Mark Levin]

House, all Democrats, urging the military to reject the Commander in chief, to undermine. To undermine our system of government, really, in the most horrendous way that has never been done before. And the question always is, the President said this, the President said that. Really? Well, what about what these members said? It is seditious behavior. It is. And if the military adhered to it, it would be insurrection. So what is it that they're calling for? They're calling for the overthrow of the elected President of the United States. He hasn't promoted anything that's unconstitutional or illegal. And if a court says it is, and some of these judges are horrendous.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Like this clown in Chicago.

[Mark Levin]

Now, you saw this idiot in Texas. But he complies with them. He complies with them.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Go ahead.

[Carolyn Levitt]

This morning, President Trump accused six Democratic lawmakers of seditious behavior punishable by death. Just to be clear, does the President want to execute members of Congress?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

No.

[Carolyn Levitt]

Let's be clear about what the President is responding to, because many in this room want to talk about the President's response, but not what brought the President to responding in this way. You have sitting members of the United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate a video message to members of the United States military, to active duty service members, to members of the national security apparatus, encouraging them to defy the President's lawful orders. The sanctity of our military rests on the chain of command. And if that chain of command is broken, it can lead to people getting killed, it can lead to chaos. And that's what these members of Congress who swore an oath to, to abide by the Constitution, are essentially encouraging. We have 1.3 active duty service members in this country. And if they hear this radical message from sitting members of Congress, that could inspire chaos and it could incite violence, and it certainly could disrupt the chain of command. These three members of Congress, I will also add, knew exactly what they were doing. You look at Alyssa Slotkin, she's a four former member of the CIA. Mark Kelly was a captain in the US Navy. Maggie Goodlander was a naval officer. And notably, she was also. She is also the wife of Joe Biden's national security former advisor, Jake Sullivan. And so these members knew what they were doing. They were leading into their credentials as former members of our military, as veterans, as former members of the national security apparatus, to signal to people there.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

That is a fascinating point. That's very important, that one of these people is the wife of Jake Sullivan, the former head of National Security Council for Biden. I mean, this is unbelievable, don't you think?

[Mark Levin]

Unbelievable. They gonna trash Trump?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

What? For what? For calling them out.

[Mark Levin]

He said kill them.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Now you said. He didn't say kill them. But all that said, what did these people do to cause such a response? I mean, this is an attack on the core function of our republic, these six members, and one of them is.

[Mark Levin]

The wife of Jake Sullivan, the National.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Security adviser under Joe Biden.

[Carolyn Levitt]

Go ahead in chief Donald Trump. That you can defy him and you can betray your oath of office. That is a very, very dangerous message and it perhaps is punishable by law. I'm not a lawyer. I'll leave that to the Department of Justice and the Department of War to decide.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Mm, there you go. Shouldn't they at least have their military related pensions revoked? Should they at least have their some kind of status placed on them? Some kind of a scarlet letter? I mean, count me as something ought to be done. Obviously, I'm not saying hang them. These people are stupid. The media are stupid. Trump's essentially condemning them for what they did, and he damn well should. He's the commander in chief. He's in charge of the military. And then you've got these, these people telling the military to defy the president because he's giving out unconstitutional legal orders and everybody's scratching their head. That has two brain cells to rub together and say, what are they about? Which one are they talking? There aren't any. Really frightening.

[Mark Levin]

This cannot become the norm.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

We got a lot of things going on. The Jew hatred, the Christianity hatred, the Hitler loving, all this stuff.

[Mark Levin]

This cannot become the norm. Veterans elected to the Senate and House.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Who put their party ahead of country, party ahead of their service, and urged.

[Mark Levin]

The military to essentially sabotage and undermine.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

The elected president as their commander in chief. Yeah, it's just. It's just disgusting. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Carolyn Levitt wasn't done. She is superb. Absolutely. Suburb cut to go.

[Carolyn Levitt]

The President and the Vice President, for that matter, have accused the other side of encouraging political violence. Isn't that exactly what the President is doing?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Why aren't they condemning the video and these six Democrat members? It's just incredible to me how corrupt and the cronyism in the media, it's disgusting. Go ahead.

[Carolyn Levitt]

Why aren't you talking about what these members of Congress are doing to encourage and incite violence? They are literally saying to 1.3 million active duty service members not to defy the chain of command, not to follow lawful orders. Every single refuse an illegal order.

[Mark Levin]

And notice how they interrupt her.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

No, they were talking about illegal orders, but they haven't presented any, have they? I mean, he hasn't even used the Insurrection act as other presidents have to put down. You know, the Democrat party militia in the streets, preventing us from enforcing our immigration deportation laws. But just listen to this media. It's so outrageously ideological.

[Mark Levin]

You have to wonder how the Democrats ever lose.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Seriously, how do they ever lose? They control the media, they control academia.

[Mark Levin]

They control the culture. How do these people ever lose?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Go ahead.

[Carolyn Levitt]

They're suggesting, Nancy, that the President has given illegal orders, which he has not. Every single order that is given to this United States military by this committee Commander in Chief and through this chain of command, through the Secretary of War, is lawful. And the courts have proven that this administration has an unparalleled record at the Supreme Court. Because we are following the laws. We don't defy court orders. We do things by the books. And to suggest and encourage that active duty service members defy the chain of command is a very dangerous thing for sitting members of Congress to do. And. And they should be held accountable. And that's what the President wants to see.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Mm. And then you have this complete nut job. Chris Murphy. Listen to this dumb. Oops, Caught myself. Cut four. Go.

[Stephen A. Smith]

President of the United States just called for Democratic members of Congress to be executed. This is not normal. We cannot allow this to. To feel normal. This, as far as I know, has.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Never, you know, it's not normal, you pal. In no way are you normal. Every damn day, 10 times a day. You're on radio, you're on TV. Now you're putting out your own video messages. You hate this country. You really do. You're a power hungry thug. You'll say anything and do anything. You are a demagogue. You're a propagandist. You're the worst of the worst. Really. I have to scrape you off the bottom of my sneaker. I'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Sean Hannity]

He's here.

[Mark Levin (Intro/Announcer Voice)]

He's here now. Broadcasting from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building, we've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Levin.

[Mark Levin]

Hello, America. Mark Levin here, our number.

[Sean Hannity]

Hello, hello, hello.

[Mark Levin]

877-381-3811, 8773-813-811. The great Stephen A. Smith will be.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

On in about 15 minutes. Shout out to my wife. She's not expecting it, but that's what makes it great. You know, when you bring your wife flowers or a little gift, do a little something special and she's not expecting it. That's good, don't you think? Mr. Producer? Poor Mr. Producer is a virus or flu or something. He can barely keep his tongue off the table. I apologize, my friend. I'm sorry going through that. By the way, they say the flu this season is going to be worse than last year, that it's going to be brutal. I always get this damn flu.

[Mark Levin]

I get the shots.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I get the flu.

[Mark Levin]

Now, they say this shot doesn't necessarily.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Sync up with this, this kind of flu, but they also say it's better than not. Well, I go both ways on this.

[Mark Levin]

May I say.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

May I say I'm a bi. Flu. May I say that, Mr. Producer? Ah, but in any event, sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't.

[Mark Levin]

It doesn't seem to matter. Oops, he got it.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And you know what I do when I get sick? I shut the door. I want to be left alone. Here's my wife, so just leave me alone. Let me watch the jewelry channel and the wheel go round and round and round. Please, please. That's it.

[Mark Levin]

You know how she tells Me.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Tells me when I'm hungry, I'm in a bad mood. Are you in a bad mood when you're hungry, Mr. Rich? Hangry. I know. She says I get hangry.

[Mark Levin]

Do you? You do.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I think I do, too. So it's important to keep eating. That's the moral of that story, I think. But there you have it, all right? We've got a lot to do, you know, but a lot to do or a lot not to do? There's a lot to discuss. First thing to discuss is how to shut off my laptop here. Hold on a second, folks. So I get a call from a person whose name shall be kept quiet. And he says to me last night, Mr. Producer, look, I know you don't like Saudi Arabia, and I know you.

[Mark Levin]

Like Qatar less, but we are getting.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Trillions of dollars from these countries. And when you consider that what we're giving in return isn't all that big of a deal, is it? Can you guess who it was? Mr. Producer? He's so persuasive and smart. The President. That's who it was. All right? Everybody figured it out. It's just remarkable. He really is. And I'm thinking, well, he's probably right, because what the hell are the Saudis.

[Mark Levin]

Going to do with these F35s? Seriously, what are they going to do with them?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

They're not going to attack Israel. Israel will still blow them out of the sky, but they have no reason to do that. But then as I posted, you know, Qatar and Saudi Arabia cannot stand each other because Qatar tried to overthrow Saudi Arabia, because Qatar backs terrorists. And as I pointed out the other day, Qatar backs the Houthis, as obviously does Iran. And the Houthis in Yemen were firing missiles and everything else into Saudi Arabia for a long period of time there, trying to take them out. And so I'm thinking, okay, we have this military pact via executive order, which can be reversed by the next president, but as of now, and then we've announced a declaration of sorts that in the case of Saudi Arabia, that they are a major non NATO ally, which means really the same thing. We will come to their defense. So I'm thinking, okay, so if they fight each other, what are we going to do? We going to send the Navy to help one and the. The Air Force to help another? No. So the President didn't say this to me, but I suspect his view is, I just don't see anything actually breaking out between these two countries.

[Mark Levin]

That's my guess.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

So I was going to tell him, but I didn't because I forgot I was going, you know, Mr. President, you didn't invite me to that. It wasn't a state dinner, but it could have been for the. What is he, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, AKA the next inbred, may I say? But you can see why he wouldn't invite me right.

[Mark Levin]

Now. Jews were invited.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Don't get me. Zelda was in there and another one's in there. Oh, yeah, yeah. We want to come in. We want to be great. So I would have come in, maybe, Mr. Producer, maybe I would have brought, you know, some matzah with me. Kafilta fish nobody liked. I like it. I'm not a fish guy, and I like it. I don't know why. What else?

[Mark Levin]

Matzo ball soup.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Oh, in one of those plastic containers they have at the deli. And I could have said to Mr. Crown Prince of. You know, my deepest respects. You might want to take this home with you. Give a little to your father. I know it was ailing the king, so forth and so on. So I don't go to any of those things. It doesn't matter. I'm just. I saw a whole list of people, about a third of them were Saudis who went. Then you got these members of Congress from Fox. There was Brett Baer and Maria Bartiromo. I didn't see anybody else on that list from there. Some of the other people, you know, it's published list, certain key members of Congress, the House and the Senate. Am I the only one where that stuff just doesn't get my blood flowing? Would you want to go to that, Mr. You probably would, wouldn't you? It's an experience. You know what? So is stepping on a nail. That's an experience, too, right?

[Hans von Spakowski]

So.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And I might enjoy that more. You never know. But, yes, it's. It's an experience. There's no question about that. Let's see. Mandami, the little bastard mayor. I know Katsamides, who's actually a very good man who owns wabc, feels like we should be, you know, working with the guy to try. I don't like the guy. Not going to work with any guy. Not with any, you know, Marxist, Islamist. I can understand why some would, and that's fine. I'm just not into it. And here's one of the reasons. So you basically have this Kristallnacht going on with these Jewish synagogues and the enemy within, and they identify themselves by, you know, throwing shmatas over their heads and chanting and yelling at people at this synagogue as Written in the. What is it here? The Jewish insider. They love me over there. They never mention me. Like I'm, like I don't exist.

[Mark Levin]

You folks think every Jewish publication that loves me.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

It's not true.

[Mark Levin]

It's not true.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

A lot of them are very liberal Jewish insiders, left center. Don't mention Levin. Don't mention Levin. Anyway, but they're very good Jewish publications too. Like they're good other ethnic and religious publications and bad ones too. So here's Mandami. Zorhan Mandami, the mayor elect of New York City distanced himself from a widely criticized demonstration outside a prominent synagogue in Manhattan where anti Israel protesters, it's really pro Hamas protesters were shouting, death to the IDF. I wonder if Tucker was there.

[Mark Levin]

Was Tucker there?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Mr. Minnie? Do we know that? Was he wearing something over his head? Ah, where was I? How about Megyn Kelly? She's losing it. She's. I'm in her head like nothing else. Man. She is, she's unraveling. And of course she upset everybody because she said one of the stupidest things any human being has ever burped up about 15 and 16 year olds and pedophilia. But she'll have to live with that the rest of her life. That's her problem. The mayor elect has discouraged the language used at last night's protest and will continue to do so. Wow, that's something else. He discouraged the language. Did he put down the protest of which these people were being intimidated while they were trying to get into their synagogue and. Not that I'm aware of. Not that I'm aware of. Well, there you go. He took a forceful stance and so they say. I don't say that. He says that. All right, we're gonna dig in here with Stephen A. Smith in a moment. I'll be right back.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

Mark Levin, the research arm of conservative media, call in now. 877-381-3811.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Yeah, it's a pleasure to have my friend Stephen A. Smith. I have to admit he's become incredibly famous and ubiquitous. He's got more platforms and, you know, it's unbelievable, but he deserves it. STEPHEN A. How are you, my friend?

[Stephen A. Smith]

What's up, big time? How are you, sir? How's everything?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I am doing great, thank you. My Eagles are doing great, you know. Yeah, let down somewhat. What? Come on now, tell me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The Eagles, the Eagles are doing great in terms of their record, but their offense has been struggling miserably. And you know, just looking at them, if they don't get back together offensive, they're not going to repeat as champions.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I don't disagree with that. But you know, whether it's sports or politics or military battles, if a team has enough class and grit and guts to win, the offense isn't cutting it, the defense picks up things of that sort, that's a good thing. But you're right, if they're going to be in the super bowl and they're going to win, they're going to have to pick up, no doubt. Now let me ask you this. Not about sports so much. You say a lot of things about the culture and society and politics that I actually agree with. You were put off by Michelle Obama's comments the other day and you say what you believe and that, as you put it, that had to go down not great in quote unquote, the community, as you put it. And on the other hand, you do say, okay, what about this Jew hatred and racism and bigotry and so forth on the right? We see it on the left. What about you guys on the right? And so I agree with that, by the way, and I've talked about it a lot. In fact, I was talking about it when nobody wanted to talk about it. So this world you're in, is it different than sports or.

[Mark Levin]

Because I notice sports gets into some.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Of this stuff, too. How do you do you go in.

[Mark Levin]

With, do you bifurcate the two you Approach this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, you know, sports at the end of the day, of the game, it's about games, but this is about real life. And so there's an elevated level of seriousness that comes with the kind of issues that you talk about. However, I know that I know my sports backwards and forwards.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Amen.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's not the case. That's not the case for politics. And so what I do is, what's the next best thing? If you're not an aficionado on expert, but you're a conscientious observer who cares about America, who cares about what's in the best interest of the country as a whole, and you want to get this ship steered in the right direction, you should be in tireless pursuit of the truth, obviously. So you should take all things into consideration. And what you should do is be unapologetic about stating where you stand based on information that you have and what's out there and being honest enough with folks out there to let them know this is what you feel. Here's why. But you're open minded enough to be corrected. I think that when you have that kind of attitude, it allows you to touch on a level of decency that exists in this country. We can agree without being disagreeable and we could go from there. On far too many occasions, however, particularly in your world, in the world of politics and beyond, what we see are ideologues. And if you don't agree with somebody they hate on you, they try to do one of three things. When you're in my position, they try to ally you. If that doesn't work, they try to neutralize you. And if that doesn't work, they try to destroy you. And so they will twist and turn. They will make sure that, you know, your words are not contextualized properly, that it's not taken in the right context or anything. You could be a Stephen A. Smith and you can be a friends with a Sean Hannity and a Mark Levin and you're selling out your community. You could be a Stephen A. Smith and you say to Michelle Obama, I respect you, I revere you, but how dare you say that? You know, men are, we're not ready to have a woman as the President of the United States, or we weren't ready to have a woman as a President of the United States when it came to Kamala Harris. But in the same breath, your side of the aisle is accusing the Republicans of trying to subvert democracy. But you guys didn't want a primary for her to go through and you waited Forever in the day to do what was clearly obvious, which was remove Joe Biden from the equation, especially after the debate against Trump. So once she got into the position to be the Democratic nominee, there would be no competition, and that's what enabled her to be in that position. For us to bring those questions up to us, to ask those questions, you know, all of a sudden it's something that's bad for our community. And I just don't vibe with that. I think that when I listen to conservatives, when I listen to moderates on either side of the aisle, alluding to things that transpired in the 60s, alluding to the KKK and its association, association with some Democratic members of the Democratic Party. And I'll give you an example. I've been in situations, Mark, where just logically, just logically, I've sat up there and I've said to folks, if you are a member of the Republican Party and you know that a history of racism has by and large been associated, for example, with the Democratic Party instead of your party, if you know that even though Lyndon B. Johnson signed civil rights into legislation, but it was Republicans who assisted in bringing that legislation to his desk, and all of that gets ignored because a Democrat is able to convince the community it was us, it wasn't them. And you know that's not true. Wouldn't you resent it? Wouldn't you feel disgusted by it? Wouldn't it bother you? I'm just using that as an example to point out how I think I asked those questions. And I'm not one that's going to be bought and sold or intimidated into vibing with one party at the expense of another just because you tell me to. No, what did the facts say? What's the truth? I want to get as close to it as possible. And if that alienates people and makes them turn against me, so be it. I never wanted you on my side anyway.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Good point. You're a practicing capitalist, aren't you?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes, I am, and proud of it. I'm not into socialism. I'm not into communism. I'm not in any of that. I'm an American citizen. I'm a proud black man who is a proud capitalist. That's the capitalist system that we've lived in. I've heard about Cuba, I've heard about Venezuela. I've heard about other parts of this world that have engaged in such things. And I've never heard anything bragging about how economically that's better for a nation than capitalism. This is America. It's capitalistic. Society that we live in. And I'm all for it.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And it gives people opportunities if they'll grab it and try it, don't you think? Look at you. You didn't grow up wealthy. You grew up in a one parent household. Your wonderful dear mother raised you. She worked multiple jobs. She broke her back doing what she needed to do. She raises a wonderful son like you. You, you, you're a writer. You become a newspaper man. You work your way up.

[Mark Levin]

You're the American dream.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, I'll say this. I had both parents in. It's just that one acted like a parent and the other didn't. But they were both there. What I would tell you is that, you know, listen, I've always been a moderate and I'll tell you this, my mother, my mother, this is the interesting part of, and a lot of black families I think are like this, but I don't know for sure. Obviously I would tell you that my mother always voted Democrat. I never saw much in our house that was Democratic. My mother was conservative to the core until she went to the polls. And then she would usually vote for a Democrat, whether it was Mario Cuomo as the governor of New York or it was, you know, it was something running for president, whether it was a Jimmy Carter or whether it was a Bill Clinton or anybody. That's how my mother was.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Don't hang up, don't hang up. I want to, I want to finish this with you. You know, a lot of that started after FDR and the New Deal and not just with blacks, with Jews and Hispanics and so forth. But we'll talk about this in a little bit more. Maybe I'll circle back to sports with the great Stephen A. Smith. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

The best show on ESPN is First Take. There's no question about it. ESPN knows that. That's because of Stephen A. It's got a great podcast on YouTube, Stephen A. Smith show. So we were talking, Stephen A. Before the break about your mom really led a very conservative household, but she voted Democrat. A lot of people did that. My ancestors did that. Because one of the things the New Deal did is, you know, it did a lot of redistribution of wealth, expanded welfare programs, programs like that. And a lot of people took advantage of those and many of them needed it during the Depression. But it's very interesting when it comes to civil rights and I've written about that, he had a very poor record in 1940. Joe Lewis was furious with him because he wouldn't sign the federal anti lynching bill because he wanted to win votes in the South. He wouldn't meet with black organizations even though they begged to meet with him. And I go on and on. And for Jews who voted heavily for fdr, his State Department actually lowered the number of Jews who could come into the country from quotas before in the middle of the Holocaust. So he put together in many ways this coalition of minority groups and so forth that the Democrat Party has relied on ever since.

[Mark Levin]

And yet if you really dig into the record, and here's part of the problem, a guy like you will dig into the record, I'll dig into the record.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

But the media in this country really doesn't care to dig into the record. Why do you think that is?

[Stephen A. Smith]

People have their beliefs and I think that's a huge problem within the media because they're, they've engaged in partisanship and that's why Trump has been on the prowl attacking them at every turn. You know, a simple solution to all the problems that ails the fourth estate, which is the media, is to simply do not take sides. Make sure you go after both sides equally. Neither side likes you or neither side, or neither side dislikes you. Whatever it is, make sure you do that. Covering sports at some point in time, you gotta call it like you see it. There is no escape. You go out and you play like trash, we gotta say so you play exceptionally well and Your head and shoulders above the other, we gotta say so. So for me to know that I do that, and I've done that throughout my 30 plus year career, it's easy for me to make the transition into the world of politics and say, what is this? For example, we have a shutdown going on. On one hand, of course, I'm going to point the finger at the Democrats 43 day shutdown. What the hell are you thinking? You got federal workers that are not receiving checks while government officials, while these government officials, I'm sorry, these elected officials, are receiving checks and having their health care. How do you justify that? You're holding out for Affordable Care act subsidies. Did you tell us it wasn't going.

[John Lana]

To cost as much?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Didn't you tell us if we could want it? I wanted to keep our doctor, we could keep our doctor. Didn't you tell us it was going to be about $900 billion and it's cost us over 1.5 trillion. And now you were seeking an additional $1.5 trillion. Where does it end? So on that side, the Democrats are wrong. On the other side of the aisle, how come we couldn't address this in the big beautiful bill? President Trump. Oh, by the way, I thought you were the ultimate dealmaker, that you could make something work. You could work out something with anybody. You're the author of the Art of the Deal. Where are you at? Okay. I think about things like that.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Hold on, let me ask you something. You can ask you something.

[Sean Hannity]

Yes, sir.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Not to be, not to be knee jerk about this. You can be ahead of the Art of Deal. But if the other side doesn't want to deal and they take what's not just untraditional but never been done, which is shut down the government during a continuing resolution, it's kind of, it's tough to deal. It's just tough. Now I see that you see that beyond politics, you see in sports, you see in business. Go ahead.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's true. All I was doing was chiding him a little bit because he always blow the aids about how he can do what no one else can do.

[Sean Hannity]

You like him or not saying or.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

It's not a like issue.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's not a like issue with me. Let me say this about President Trump. What I will never do is sit up here and talk about him the way the Democrats did. For a separate reason. I had no problem with him. Before he ran for the presidency, we used to go to his events all the time. His casinos, his hotel, everything. We see each other at days he.

[John Lana]

Was the one who introduced me to.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Bill O'Reilly many years ago. Yes, sir. Okay. And I would be at the Wynn Hotel in Vegas, and all of a sudden people come running to me. Wait a minute, Mr. Trump is here. He wants to say hello and stuff like that. Always kind to me, always decent to me. Always got along with a whole bunch of us as black folks in the world of sports and beyond. So all of this racist stuff, Nazi stuff, you never heard those words coming out of my mouth because I knew that was nonsense, that he was never like that, and I was never going to sit up there and transition to that. What I would say is that the pettiness, the lack of statesmanship, the belittling of other people and stuff like that. Do I believe that the presidency is a statesmanship position?

[Sean Hannity]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Do I think, Do I wish he would act better? Yes. Do I think that he prioritized not being so petty and focus on issues that are really, really relevant to us? Sure. And I had Jim Jordan on my show and then Mike Johnson, I spoke to both of them about this, with them, and Jim Jordan started laughing because originally he was saying that the president does what he says he's going to do and that's why we love him and stuff like that. And I said, yeah, but he's also on a vengeance tour. And then Jim Jordan tried to push back, and I said, are you kidding me?

[Sean Hannity]

You understand?

[Stephen A. Smith]

What's with some of the people that he's going after? Whether.

[Mark Levin]

Let me, let me ask you before.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

We run out of time, what's wrong with a vengeance tour?

[Stephen A. Smith]

In 2016, according to my sources, Donald Trump had a boatload of information on Hillary Rodham Clinton and those 33,000 emails.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

And he could have gotten her. And he said, leave it alone. It's not in the best interest of the country.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And then comes 20 and help, and they unleash the Department of Justice. They bring phony cases against him. They go after his family, go after his money. They go after everything. Cases are being thrown out.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And he got ultimate revenge, Mark. He got the ultimate revenge. He won the president. He's back.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

He won the presidency in spite of what we're.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I agree.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

As a lawyer. Okay, so why is it so bad?

[Mark Levin]

He says that.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Hold on now. Why is it so bad? He says to the department, all right, you need to get to the bottom of this. We can't have people like. We can't have people like Smith going around and doing this to people. And I can't have the criminal division doing this to people. Look, if we come to anybody else, we would agree that it's outrageous. And I don't view this so much. And I sort of said it tongue in mouth, tongue in cheek, a vengeance to her. I view this as this has to be fixed and the people responsible need to be held to account.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And I'm not saying that that's unfair. That's not unfair coming from you and others. What I'm trying to say is that on many, many occasions, when we take the country into consideration and we think what's in the best interest, we're thinking about the people, not just ourselves. And here's why that matters. Because you have folks on the left and the right that when you engage in this kind of behavior. And I'm not blaming just him, please don't get me wrong. I'm just answering your question. I'm just asking your question from a generic perspective. When that keeps going on, ultimately the divide widens. And then somehow, some way, it gets into the streets of America where because of this binary system that we live in, everybody is focused on their side winning. And if their side doesn't win, oh, my God, Armageddon has arrived and the world is going to come to an end. This is America. We have incredible intestine and resolve. We can overcome anything if our focus is where it needs to be and our minds are right. And we're out in the streets recognizing and celebrating what America is recognizing. We have our flaws, but we're still the greatest country in the world. We don't need to have that kind of attitude. And we need to find a way to move forward. I'm not saying the way to move forward is by turning a blind eye on the deaf ear about what happened to him. I'm saying somewhere along the way, we got to think about the chaos and the mayhem that has been pervasive in the streets of America because of the divide that has existed and ask ourselves, how much is this truly benefiting us? That's all I'm saying.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I think a lot going on in the streets have nothing to do with him. Not going on the streets have to do with people we brought into this country who will not assimilate into this country like people in the past have.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's true.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

And I'll tell you something else.

[Mark Levin]

You know what?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't disagree with that.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

You're gonna miss this man in 10 years. You mark my words. If I'm still alive, I'm gonna bring you back.

[Mark Levin]

Obviously before that, but still, people are.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Gonna miss this guy, because. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not denying that. I don't need 10 years. I think that he's done. Hasn't been wrong in my eyes. I totally agree with what he's done with immigration. I don't like to see ice, the optics of ICE in the streets of America with that stuff going on. But I understand why he needed to do what he needed to do in terms of closing the borders. Okay. You look at the National Guard of some of these cities. No, I. I don't agree with him putting the National Guard in the city, but I did. I asked Governor Pritzker of Illinois when he was on my show. How come you haven't asked for his help? Because if I'm a governor of a state, guess what I'm doing. If I got issues in the streets of my state and he offers assistance.

[John Lana]

I'm gonna say, can we talk?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Because I don't know if I want your idea exactly, but I certainly want your assistance to you about it, Mr. President. And he said that. He said, you're absolutely right, Steven.

[Mark Levin]

He doesn't do it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But not to help. He's exactly not such a. Why haven't you done it? He said because of what he's offering to do and the heavy hand with which he's doing it.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

But, yeah, he never talked.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

We do. He never talked to him.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm just telling you what he said. You're right. And I'm not. I'm not refuting that. You would know better than me. I'm just telling you what he told me. See, I like to get these people on the record, and then that way people like yourself and various others who know, you heard them on the record, so you know, know whether they lied or whether they told the truth. I was doing sports for 30 years. I'm just doing this stuff now. So I don't know if it's true or not true, but I know I get them on the record to say it, and that's my point, and I've got to go.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

But I want to tell you something. You're terrific. You really are. I really enjoy talking to you. I enjoy our friendship. Folks. You got to know what a sweetheart this guy is.

[Sean Hannity]

Same here.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

He really is. He really good man. Treats people with respect. He's passionate about what he does. That's why he is what he is. There's only one Stephen A. Smith. Don't get mad at me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't mind learning. I don't mind learning. I don't know everything. I Learned.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I can tell. Don't get mad at me. I'm sure I'll be loved over there. I can't tell 90% of the ESPN guys from one from the other. I'm just being honest. That guy played fullback.

[Mark Levin]

That guy was linebacker.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

That guy picked his nose. I don't know who's what, but I know you and your damn good. There you go, my friend.

[Stephen A. Smith]

God bless you. All the best.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

All right, man. Take care, man. I like him. He's great. No, we don't always agree, okay? He says it, I say it. He knows it. I know Sean knows it.

[Mark Levin]

It's okay.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

This is the way it's supposed to be. Okay.

[Mark Levin]

This is the way I used to.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Deal with people who are more liberal or not even more liberal, less conservative than I am.

[Mark Levin]

This is the way it used to be. Not the Jews are trying to get.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Us, you know, I'm not. You know what I mean, Mr. Blue?

[Mark Levin]

There's a slight difference.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I mean, it's disgusting. He's a good man. I know his heart. He's a good man. I'll be right back.

[Mark Levin (Intro/Announcer Voice)]

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[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Caroline Levitt at the White House briefing today. There's a lot she was dealing with. And let's see here. Gas. No, not that gasoline. You're all going to be or many of you are going to be driving this holiday season. Gasoline is cheaper than it was last year. Cut nine. Go.

[Carolyn Levitt]

President Trump's policies are working to make Americans Thanksgiving more affordable this year. From their commute to the dinner table. Nearly 100 million Americans are expected to drive next week to spend time with loved ones for the holiday. And thanks to President Trump's drill, baby drill agenda, the national average price of a gallon of gas on Thanksgiving Day is projected to be at the cheapest price since the COVID pandemic in 2021. President Trump is bringing down gas prices and providing significant savings savings to American families at the pump. And again, we expect those prices to continue to decline.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

One of the things I remember was when Bill Clinton was running against Bush 41, he claimed we were in a recession, the prices were higher. He lied, we weren't in recession and prices weren't higher. I'm starting to get a sense some of that's going on too with the Democrats. That's not to say many people aren't struggling. I'm not saying that.

[Mark Levin]

But I'm to starting saying they're very.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Much lying about Trump's accomplishments. I'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (Intro/Announcer Voice)]

He's here now. Broadcasting from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building, we've once again made contact contact with our leader, Mark Levin.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Welcome. Welcome, folks. I have a special guest on Sean Hannity. It's been forever. How are you, my brother?

[Sean Hannity]

Thank you. Thank me. God bless us. How am I? What's going on? Get off my phone, you big dope. Sorry, I can't help it. How are you, my brother? I miss you. I'm doing great because I talk to you a lot.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Yes, yes.

[Sean Hannity]

You're still rocking and crushing it, and you're very, very. For people that don't know, I'm trying to get Mark to come out of his shell a little bit more. Mark is very shy and demure and quiet and peaceful. He never gets upset. He doesn't think caller's a big dope or anything like that.

[Hans von Spakowski]

How are you?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I'm doing great.

[Mark Levin]

You know, your show is really rocking.

[Sean Hannity]

The world around us is going nuts.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

No, it is going nuts. It is going nuts. Who do you have on tonight? I love your show, by the way.

[Sean Hannity]

Well, first of all, I love your show, too.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I love.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

By the way.

[Sean Hannity]

I like when we do shows together. We haven't done one together in a long time. We got to get you back, you.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Know, on your show.

[Sean Hannity]

Yeah, of course I do. Absolutely.

[Mark Levin]

People say, why don't you go on Sean show?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I said, he invites me. I just, you know, I don't know.

[Sean Hannity]

No. Well, you're. You're always busy. We got a lot of different stuff. First, we're going to deal with war with these six lawmakers calling on soldiers, a member of the intel community, break the chain of command, defy the commander.

[Stephen A. Smith]

In chief over, you know, what?

[Sean Hannity]

They didn't even describe as any unlawful order, nor can they describe that. Did you hear this story, Mark? My heart is broken about Jim Jordan. Targeted, you know, surveilled multiple years, starting well before, you know, this was in 2020. It went on deep in the paint and, you know, so we hit that really hard. And did you hear about this story out of Chicago? When I show this video tonight, I have to give a viewer warning because it was on board a CTA train from the city's blue line, a woman doused by with gasoline and lit on fire.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Mark.

[Sean Hannity]

Now, that's not the worst part of the story. As horrible and as evil and as atrocious as that sounds, Mark, you're a smart guy. Take a guess how many times this guy had been previously arrested.

[John Lana]

Just take a.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Yes, a lot.

[John Lana]

Give me a.

[Sean Hannity]

Give me a wild guess.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

23.

[Sean Hannity]

50.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Oh, my God.

[Stephen A. Smith]

50.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Why wouldn't he be in prison forever.

[Sean Hannity]

After that at some point? Mark, again, I say this all the time. If you don't have law and order and safety and security, you don't have any ability to pursue happiness. You know, you're one of the great constitutional scholars of our time. You know, that is fundamental to the gifts of our framers and our Founders something that you articulate often in your, in your writings and on your show and you know, things that you and I talk about privately. And it is 50 freaking times now. I argue, Mark, and if I'm over the line, you tell me. But for the people that let this guy out all 49 times, as far as I'm concerned, at some point in this process, they are responsible and have blood on their hands. Just like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Alejandro Mayorkas were out there lying to the country for four years. No, the border's closed, the border secure. Well, that's complete Adam bullshit notice I say Schiff, I know it's here on radio, but I am just telling you it's a lie. And they allowed known terrorists, they allowed murderers, rapists, other violent criminals, cartel members, gang members. And those people are committing crimes every day. And now what do we have in response? We have people. We've been following this for two nights on tv. We'll update you tonight. They are doxing ICE agents. They're getting violent against ICE agents. ICE agents have been injured. By the time this is all said and done, some will be dead because these, you know, the constant refrain of Gestapo, Nazi brown shirt, you know, the final argument of Kamala in the lead up to the 2024 election. The refrain continues. Mark, the left in this country is sick. It is beyond sick. And you know, Bob Grant famously, you know, out of New York, hey, ladies and gentlemen, is sick. And it's getting sicker. Guess what? It's sicker and it's getting sicker. Not to be redundant, you know, and I, and I love our, I love our country, Mark. I want our citizens to be safe. I want people to pursue their God given talents. I want them to, to be able to pursue happiness and peace. And right now they can't. And right now there's one party that is bought in to this madness. Defund, dismantle, no bail, reimagine the police and send in the social workers. Now, Mark Levin, you're a pretty smart guy, I'd say on a scale of all the smart people I know in my life. You're right up there, you're a smart guy. You know, and then, and then I'm listening to the madness. You know, I know you've talked a lot about this topic of virulent anti Semitism. It infuriates me. It infuriates me, Mark, and I'm going to tell you why. You know, if our country, if a foreign entity or country fired one missile into one American town or one American city. What would you want your government to do now? I've been to Israel many, many times. I know you've been to Israel many, many times. I've known Prime Minister Netanyahu for many, many years. Decades, as a matter of fact, three decades. And this little country the size of New Jersey, with under 10 million people, has had to withstand over the decades, not only attacks, but hundreds of thousands of missiles fired into their towns and cities. I've always said that the Iron Dome is great and missile defense is great, but it's a Band Aid and that the cancer has to be rooted out eventually. And it got worse. It has culminated in a culture of death. I don't know what part of Hamas charter people don't read the calls for the destruction of Israel, but it's there in black and white if you want to read it. But it's worse than that. It culminated with the death of over 1500 people. Kidnapping, murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, beheadings. It's all on tape. The IDF showed it to me, Mark. I've seen it with my own eyes. And I go back to my fundamental question that, you know, if in a country the size of Israel extrapolate out their population under 10 million versus our population, that would be 40,000 dead Americans in a day, what would you want your country to do? You know, there's a fundamental misunderstanding, I think in some cases purposeful misunderstanding of the Trump Doctrine. The Trump Doctrine is very, very clear to me and I actually completely, fully, wholeheartedly embrace it and support it. We could never do what we did in Iraq ever again as a country. Let's have our national treasure go door to door, you know, stepping over IEDs without up armored Humvees and try and win a war that way. Future wars, I keep saying it, are not going to be fought. And battlefields, they will be fought from air conditioned offices. We see the beginnings of it now, just like they mocked Reagan. Star Wars Strategic defense. Yeah. Well, what do you see when Israel's attacked? You see strategic defense, A vision of Ronald Wilson Reagan. And when the Iron Dome, or Golden Bones President Trump calls it, is built here, it may be his ultimate legacy and save millions of lives potentially. There is evil, there is moral clarity that people have got to have. Now back to, to the Trump Doctrine. What is the Trump Doctrine, Mark? I'll define it for you if you like. It's your show, but if you want to interrupt, interrupt. Trump Doctrine is simple. I agree with the President. I don't want to be involved in Any forever wars, do you? I don't want that for our. For our national treasure again. The nature of warfare is changing. Artificial intelligence in the next decade is going to take it to a level we can't imagine today. But. But the Trump doctrine does not mean, as some interpret it to mean, isolationism. The president is not an isolationist. The president showed that again and again and again. The president beat back militarily, the ISIS caliphate because he understood the sick, twisted ideology of convert and die or die. And that was, you know, growing as a. As a threat to the region and to the entire world. He did that in his first term. He took out Soleimani, the world's worst terrorist for decades. He did that in his first term on a tarmac. The military operation was superb. He took out Baghdadi, another terrorist, and all of his associates. He took. He dropped the mother of all bombs on Afghanistan. Then he gave. He gave the Iranians 50 days to choose peace. The president does not like war. I can tell you right now, he doesn't. He's expended a lot of energy to bring peace around the globe. And lo and behold, after 50 days, the Iranians decided they want to stick to their ideology of white Israel and the US off the map. So Israel struck first. Israel took out the ballistic missile sites. It took out the missile defense systems and the President who said over and over, they must never have nuclear weapons intelligence. According to my sources, they were getting very, very close. And Donald Trump took out 14 massive bunker buster bombs. Now, I ask everybody this question. The Levinites out there, you call them the Levinites, right? Okay. Your Levinites are very smart people or else they wouldn't be listening to the show. Your Levinites know that if America had the equivalent of 40,000Americans killed in a day, if we had tens of thousands of rockets in a year fired into our country. I went to one border town called sderot, and in 10 years, that one city got 10,000 rockets. It was a border city with Gaza. I've been in the underground terror tunnels. I've been in a mark. I reported on that back in 2014 and 15 while on a trip to Israel. And I been, you know, I've been next to the Iron Dome when it was launching. I watched it with my own eyes. It's fascinating, but it's sad that one town, that border town in Sirot next to Gaza, can't play outside. They play in underground bunker playgrounds. They can't get vitamin D because there's only 12 seconds between that time that missiles fired. And the time the missile lands. Kids don't play outside there. I ask people, why don't you leave? They said, this is our home.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What are you talking about?

[Sean Hannity]

And I understand it. And I'm just telling you, anybody with any degree of moral clarity understands that evil exists. Simple end of sentence. Or you want me to keep going?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

No, no. It's very, very important. Everything you said is very, very important. And we'll see you tonight at 9pm on Fox Eastern time, brother. And I love you. You're a good man.

[Sean Hannity]

I want to tell your audience one last thing. I look better in makeup.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Goodbye. Okay, Goodbye. Well, I don't think it looks better in a dress, though. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin (Intro/Announcer Voice)]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Our friend Gabe Kaminsky, a great investor, investigative reporter with the Free Press. How are you, Gabe?

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Mark, great to be with you.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

You're also brave young man.

[Mark Levin]

Young?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I guess. What are you in your 20s or 30s? I don't know. But in any event, doesn't really matter. Gabe, you've written a piece on a guy called Little Adolph. That would be Nick Fuentes and he's probably proud of the nickname I give him. Anyway, and.

[Mark Levin]

Tell us what you're revealing.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

In this piece that we should know as a nation.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Yeah, thanks again for having Mark. I think what's what's really notable is so Nick Fuentes, white nationalist, anti Semitic podcaster, he goes on Tucker Carlson show three weeks ago and you know, that's an episode that racked up millions of views and has since prompted a significant amount of infighting on the right. And now Nick Fuentes has sort of announced that a found a 501c4 non profit group that he runs, which means that's a type of organization registered with the IRS that's tax exempt, that can act more politically and potentially get involved more in elections than your sort of standard foundation or nonprofit charity. He announced that that group is going to be looking at candidates running in the 2026 midterms to, as he said, quote, map out the patronage networks of the Israel First Lobby. And he says we'll quote, have all the intellectual firepower production quality of all the other big names of the conservative movement. Now obviously that's quite a, quite a big statement or prediction from him rather. Is that true? We do not know. But what is notable, right, is that he is saying essentially to his pretty large base, I mean his, his, his videos get millions of views on Rumble and he's saying that he's going to try to get involved.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I understand pornography gets a lot of views too. You know, I, I got it. That doesn't mean. Yeah, that's true.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

And, and yeah, and so look what, what we're, our story is kind of just trying to introduce readers a little bit to I mean certainly we mentioned, you know, the sort of just blatantly racist or anti Semitic things this person has said. He said to, he's compared Holocaust victims to cookies in an oven. He said that black people need to be prisoned for the most part. He's called for yourself to be deported. Now this is what we were, what we sort of walk through in our story is that this foundation that it's called the America first foundation and it based in Chicago where Nick Fuentes lives. Interestingly, it had sort of sparse finances last year. In other words, it was actually in the red. It spent far more than it actually has in assets. But now he's sort of on this fundraising spree. And so I talk to people, White House officials, I actually, we quote Tucker Carlson the story who says that he, quote, does not know he's, he does not know what Fuentes is capable of or what role he will play going forward. But he says surprisingly calling people Nazis doesn't fix the problem. And that's a sentiment that I think we quoted the Republican Jewish Coalition or even just Other White House officials who.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I'm a little confused by that Carlson comment, though, Gabe, the guy basically calls himself a Nazi. So what does he mean? So what does he mean when he says by calling him Nazi? Doesn't really. So what, what do you call him?

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Yeah, I think as far as what Tucker is saying is he seems to be obfuscating on what White House officials told us, which is that they view Nick Fuentes as someone who should not have a future in the Republican Party, someone who is trying to subvert the interests of the broader voter base. One White House official told us, quote, there's no evidence that Nick Fuentes is capable of institution building. He doesn't have the disposition, he doesn't live in D.C. and he doesn't know very many people. He's very good at tearing stuff down, though. That's a sentiment that I would actually point out. One notable quote that was given to us by a Democrat named James Carville, prominent Democratic strategist, and Carville told me, said, quote, you understand this is too much expletive effing fund for a Democrat, right? And I think that's a really notable quote from Carville because essentially what he's saying is that this sort of attempt to subvert the Republican Party by a white nationalist is pretty advantageous potentially to Democrats in the midterms or even looking to 2028. It's kind of ammo for them to say, hey, this is a party that is in sort of significant disadvantage.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I want to dig a little deeper with you, Gabe. Gabe Kaminsky at the Free Press. We'll be right back.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Talking to a great investigator reporter for the, for the Free Press, Gabe Kaminsky. Hey, Gabe, here's my question to you. This Fuentes, he's not alone. You got Tucker Carlson, you've got Bannon, you've got Owens, you've got their cheerleaders with Megyn Kelly and so forth. If they rule the roost or win the day or even have an influence over 3, 4, 5% of the vote in the Republican Party in a 5050 nation, they could destroy MAGA. They can elect the Democrats and they can ensure that in 2028 we have a Democrat president. No, it doesn't take much.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Well, I think that's the contention of actually, as far as my reporting, that's certainly what Democrats are beginning to believe, that this is sort of an issue that could be really advantageous for them to keep harping on the fact that there are loud voices on the right who are espousing views that the president himself and people the closest to the president have not. And for our story, we hazard President.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Trump, we lost about five seconds. And for your story, start right there. I'm sorry.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Oh, I'm sorry, Mark. For our story, we also spoke to a longtime advisor to President Trump, and this individual told us, they said, quote, fuentes is literally one of the most vile racists in the country. But they more notably told us that they believe that any political candidates who align themselves with Nick Fuentes organization in the midterms will be effectively dooming their campaigns. Because it does seem to believe that institutional Republican groups, organizations like the NRSC or the nrcc, which work to elect House Republicans and Senate Republicans, that they are not going to be aligning themselves with this organization. And so I think you're right. Like the, the, there basically are significant questions about, you know, these, these, these major podcasters who are espousing the use that the president himself, himself has not aligned himself with. How is that going to impact mag? And I don't know the answer to that question, but I think that's really the question right now.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Let me ask you a sort of a business model question. You know, if you're a podcaster, the goal is to attract as many people as you can. There's thousands of podcasters and they look at their charts every month. Where am I on the chart? I'm in the top 10, I'm in the top five in the top 20 and so forth. So they play this game that's really a short term game, month by month by month. And those algorithms determine how much money they're actually able to make, how many hits they get. This is able to be monitored really every minute of the day. So I find they're becoming more and more extreme, more and more outrageous.

[Mark Levin]

They want to get in all these.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Fights, stir the pot and so forth and so on. So while it's great to have this sort of competition of these different platforms and so forth and so on, in so many ways it's created, I think, really a thuggish, nasty atmosphere. Obviously not all the podcasters. So you find when you listen to a Tucker Carlson or Megyn Kelly or an Owens or a Bannon, they don't.

[Mark Levin]

Have a whole lot to offer, to be perfectly honest with you.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

They're not particularly profound or scholarly or knowledgeable or in anything or entertaining. But man, if they could stir the pot, push the conspiracies. The Third Reich, yes, you know, Churchill, no, that sort of stuff. And they don't all do that, but some of them do. I feel this is part of the disease, the poison that we're experiencing. Does that make sense?

[Gabe Kaminsky]

I think, I think that's an interesting point because look, look at the right, the farthest extremes to the right or the left. There's a guy on the left named Hassan Piker who has another job, basically aligned himself with terrorists. And that is someone who has gained a lot of popularity with, on the Internet, at least among young progressives. And the, on the flip side of this, you have people who have been testing the limits of sort of. And just asking questions, they say, or sort of testing the limits of sort of like rational discourse. And that is they sort of, you know, these people obviously, you know, are incentivized by clicks and right rage. Bait on the Internet sells very well. And so I think the questions that are going to be raised is, yes, like, can the big question. I think another, another question that just comes to me is like, the right in 2020 and 2021 was very vocal in aligning themselves with this sort of viewpoint that the Internet was overly censorious. And I've reported a lot about ways that platforms have demonetized conservatives. And in response to that, now Elon Musk has created a platform that is sort of the exact opposite of that. That essentially you go on Twitter any given day now and you're getting, you're seeing pornography, you're seeing content that is openly anti Semitic, openly racist content. That there seemingly could be a conversation about.

[Mark Levin]

Right.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Like, should this be within the bounds of. Of, you know, normal people just logging on to see these things? That's not to say, oh, I'm saying, you know, all the Internet. The Internet should return to the way it was. I don't know. You know, it's not my job to answer that question. But it seems like there's now this reignited question at least that, you know, more traditional conservative, you know, conservative podcasters or conservative voices are thinking, which is.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Was.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Did. Did we go in the exact opp. You know, radical opposite direction to open the floodgates to allow for this discourse to proliferate on the Internet that maybe is promoting toxicity and maybe on both sides is not helpful to, you know, the national discourse.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

But it seems to be the business model. The business model is let's not have a rational discussion or debate or what. Let us delve into the pool of the poison. I mean, I think that's true. And the damage is a lot of young people who are not being taught American history in our schools, a lot of young people who think the world began today, they start listening to these people. And the more they hear of them and the less there's pushback from really, the body politic or the churches and the synagogues or just the good people out there, the more this becomes acceptable, I think. Does that make sense? Yeah.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

And I think, again, this takes it back to really, Nick Fuentes, which is that this is someone who has been around now. I mean, he's 27 years old, which is young, but he's been around now being a sort of pundit and online podcaster for, I believe, probably about. Oh, is someone who now was given a really significant platform to go on Tucker Carlson Show. Tucker has a very large audience.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Oh, yeah. With him before. So the whole thing was kind of a. Was. Was kind of planned out.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

This introduced. This introduced Nick Fuentes to lots of people, and it sort of has elevated him to an extent where now, and to be clear, that interview, right, between Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, you know, people host controversial people for interviews. I mean, the job of a journalist or a pundit, right, is a lot of times you. You talk to people, and I certainly do, that you don't agree with, but you hear what they have to say. I think the critique of that interview that at least seems to be very prominent on the right, is that it felt like less of an, you know, sort of substantive interview than a platform for Nick Fuentes to talk about what he calls Global Jewry. It was not. There was not really much pushback on those views. And that has now led right to Fuentes announcing this organization that he is aiming to fundraise with. He's fundraising online. We found through a fundraising platform called SP Donate. It's a 501c3 charity that is Nick Fuentes Group is raising money from through a credit card cryptocurrency. We don't know how much people are donating. I will say this is something I found yesterday. I located the names of two foundations that have actually previously donated to Nick Fuentes Group. One is called the Dazio Gutierrez Family Foundation. It's run by an individual named Joe Gutierrez who is the CEO of a energy company called Novi Midstream in Houston, Texas. And I found the name of another foundation and also previously in the most recent fiscal year, granted money to Nick Fuentes Group. It's called the Peter Luce Foundation. I was not able to find much information about who funds that or who's behind it. But those two foundations donating, I don't know a whole lot about them, but it is notable and I think they're, you know, could be some more reporting to do as far as to understand who is going to be opening their pockets to this group and how much are they really going to give and for what exact cost.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Do you, do you think foreign countries or billionaires, domestic billionaires, Dark money might flow into this for the very purpose of creating mayhem in our country. And he's just the latest, you know, knucklehead that they want to get behind and the latest cause they want to get behind. They'll get behind Students for Palestine, for justice in Palestine. They'll get behind organizations like that. They'll get behind this guy Fuentes, they'll push Carlson, they'll push these people just because they want to create as much havoc as possible. Is that possible?

[Gabe Kaminsky]

So one thing I would note, it is legal under Federal law for 501-C4 nonprofits to accept donations from foreign donors. That said, there is no evidence that this group has taken foreign money. I haven't found that. But generally speaking, right, because this group is registered under this section of the tax code.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

We keep getting.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

As far as us to be able to find its donors. And so 501c4s do not disclose their actual donors to the IRS, which makes it very difficult to trace that that money stream. However, some foundations may disclose on their own tax documents donating to groups like this. So it can be difficult to track that money. And again, 501C4s are a type of non profit that can engage in unlimited political lobbying and they also actually can spend money on ads to support or oppose candidates in elections. Which means that any financial, any donations that go to Nick Fuentes's group could be used for electoral activity. And I think that's why this is, this is sort of notable, is that this could be real attempt to get involved in some manner in elections. And there already are some lawmakers who, you know, have not explicitly taken steps to denounce Nick Fuentes or not really.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Well, what do you make of that? What do you make of people, People, some of them prominent, who have not done that? I mean, doesn't that seem a little odd to you? Because at some point I assume they're going to be confronted with it and ask where they stand with this Carlson and, and Fuentes and Kelly and all, and Owens and all the rest of them.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

You know, one thing that's really notable to me, and this is, this is a little bit older, but in 2022, Nick Fuentes is nonprofit. They hosted Marjorie Taylor Greene, the Georgia congresswoman, at their conference. And a year earlier they hosted Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar. He gave a keynote speech. But I mentioned that in the sense that there are lawmakers like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie, another congressman who has aligned himself as pretty staunchly anti Trump. And the President has been speaking out against Thomas Massie lately and Marjorie Taylor Greene. These are people that have aligned themselves more with the Tucker wing of the party. And so that sort of demonstrates.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

But honestly, what is this Tucker wing of the party? I think he's on his own wing. I think he. They are out to destroy the party, replace the party. I think that's the whole game plan. Stir the pot and make tons of money as well. Gabe, we gotta have to, we're gonna have to have you back, but I have a heartbreak here. Your article is fantastic. I recommend it to everybody. I've posted it or If I haven't, Mr. Producer, let's make sure we do. And you folks are doing great work over there. I really appreciate it.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

Thanks for having me.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Mark. Always really take shit. Take care of yourself, man. I'll be right back.

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[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Let's take a look at this. Let's give this a shot. Let us go to John Lana, MD, the great WMAO. Go right ahead, John.

[John Lana]

Yeah, I just like to say all these critics of President Trump and it's just, it's ridiculous that they, they don't understand. They say he's focusing too much on foreign affairs instead of domestic.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Domestic.

[John Lana]

He's doing both.

[Gabe Kaminsky]

From what?

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Doing both.

[John Lana]

The seat I'm sitting in. Yes, he's working on both of them and he's doing a great job. And I liken it to you live in a neighborhood and the mud start, you have a mudslide and you shove them the mud and the mud keeps coming. You look and you say, well, where's this mud? And your Democratic neighbors are up on the hill with the tire hose and they just spray and bring it down.

[Stephen A. Smith]

More mud on you.

[John Lana]

I mean, he has to, four years of mud he has to deal with. Now he's got more mud. And there's probably some federal judge up there with the fire hose.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

Now, John, I don't know you, but this is perfect.

[Mark Levin]

Saturday show.

[Mark Levin (Alternate or Secondary Voice)]

I spent my entire opening on all the domestic things Trump has done and is doing just to give this the lie that it deserves.

[Mark Levin]

Great call, John. We salute our armed forces, police officers, firefighters, emergency personnel, our truckers, the men and women in Ukraine, the men and women in Israel. Israel. And you, the American people, red blooded patriots. God bless you. Thank you. See you right here tomorrow. Have a wonderful night.