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Mark Levin
America's best days are yet to come. That's because conservatives like you know and live the values our great country was built on. The Heritage foundation exists to make sure your voice is heard in the D.C. swamp each day, shining the light on a bright future. Heritage foundation stands for your values and won't give up the fight because they know you never will. Paid for by the Heritage Foundation. He's here. He's here now, broadcasting them from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building. We've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Lee. SAM hello, America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 877-381-3811. You know, it's painful more than frustrating. It's painful to listen to a lot of the analysts out there going about what took place last night. What took place last night is not a surprise because what happened in New York City, immigrants overwhelmingly voted for a Marxist Islamist who camouflaged himself as a democratic socialist who used slogans about affordability and the rich. And this is not new. They've done it in Venezuela, they've done it in Cuba, they've done it all over the third World, and it works. The Democrat Party, their long term immigration program to change the demographics of the country, to change the population of the country, to change the citizenry of the country is working. That's the bottom line. Even in Virginia, where most of the federal employees live, that is in Virginia, even, even more than in Maryland, that has an enormous effect. Please don't get me wrong. But still, the immigration issue, Virginia has been the recipient of an enormous number of immigrants. And remember, all this occurs without assimilation, which is exactly what the Democrats want. They don't want people coming into the country loving the country, loving our economic system. They want people coming into the country who are dirt poor, largely illiterate in their own language, who will follow the crowd and vote for freebies. Since the 1965 Hart Celler Act, 1965, this has been the game plan of the Democrats for 60 years. I wrote about this in Liberty and Tyranny. One chapter called on immigration, 60 years, and now it's paying off. The problem is the people are coming into the country, as we said, are not being assimilated. And so they bring their own culture, they bring their own ideology, they bring their own habits, and so they're not Americanized. This whole notion from many one, it's now just many. And so you have cultures and subcultures. Individuals can choose which Culture they want to be in or just stay in their culture. You know, we talk about a nation divided. The real divide is there's no assimilation taking place. Literally none. Not in our public schools, certainly not in our colleges and universities. Not on television, not in our politics. No. This organization, care, exists for the purpose of destroying our country, for the purpose of imposing Sharia law on the country. It has a tax exempt status. It sets up a political action committee raising tens of millions of dollars, including from George Soros, who wants to destroy every republic or every democracy there is, I think for money reasons, for power reasons. But it doesn't matter why. That's what he's doing. And he's not alone. We've got foreign money pouring into this country like never before. It's a spigot from Qatar, from Communist China, from Iran, from Hamas, for God's sakes. And it's having an impact. Revolution by immigration. That's how I coined it. That's the phrase, the money pouring in. I've spent years here on TV showing you the money line, the money connections. Both parties are in on it. The problem is the money is coming from entities that want to overthrow our government. Islamists, that is radical Islamic Jihadis. They want to overthrow our government. And they are now welcome in the Democrat Party. More than welcome in the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party is now relying on them, depending on them. First they fought it tepidly, then they tried to ignore it, and now they are part of it. Hochul, the governor of New York, Hakeem Jeffries, the leader of the Democrats in the House, Schumer. Well, he didn't endorse it. He didn't oppose it. That's your Democrat leadership. They created this scenario. They created this situation going back to the Great Society. What's taking place now is really a Barack Obama strategy, and it's working. You watch tv, you're listening. It was affordability. All these people. No, it wasn't. Maybe some of the vote was based on affordability. But socialism, Marxism, that's not about affordability. That's about a poverty. Poverty. I want to thank the New York Post. They did a hell of a job fighting this. They did everything they could in New York. I want to thank our affiliate wabc. They did everything they could to fight this damn thing and other conservatives and Republicans, but it's here now. So the city is going to decline. The question only is how much. It's not a question of whether it declines. The question is how much. In Virginia. Virginia is now part of the federal Government. Now you'll pull out a Republican win every now and then like you do in New Jersey. And I'll get to that in a second. But Virginia is now an appendage of the federal government. Enormous number of federal employees. On top of that, you've got really another Silicon Valley. 80% of all the Internet traffic comes through Loudoun County, Virginia. And if you live in Loudoun county and you drive through particular neighborhoods and streets, you will see these massive buildings that are bigger than football fields and they are lining these streets one after another after another to the point they don't know how they're going to get electricity to them. Terrible. And many of these people are young liberals. Apart from the immigrants are young liberals. We had a caller into this program. I forget if it was last evening or the evening before. Nice young man. He said, I'm 20 years old and we really need to focus on the future in my generation. He said, isn't that right, Mr. Producer? It was Monday. The problem is this younger generation not to offend. And many of them do agree with me. They think they have a tough. They weren't drafted into World War II or the Korean War, the Vietnam War. They have access to technologies that people their age 25, 30 years ago never had access to. They think they have it tough. They think they have it tough when they have to do things they do not want to do. When people mistreat them. If they don't have money to buy a certain thing, if they want to live somewhere and they can't afford it, that's not tough. That's life. If you want something, you go out and get it. That's the great, that's the great answer that capitalism provides. If you want something, go get it, Work for it. Think about it. You don't have to be the smartest guy in the room. You don't even have to be the most hard working guy in the room. But you have to be motivated. You have to have a desire. And your motivation and desire shouldn't be to legalize theft by saying, I want what that guy has. That guy's a billionaire. He shouldn't be. You don't even know what that guy who's a billionaire has done. How many jobs they've created, services they've created and God knows what else. And why does that billionaire even matter in your life? Billionaires nothing to do with you and you have nothing to do with them. Live your own life. Nobody's stopping you. If there's economic worries, if there's economic worries, Then why did the people in New Jersey, the majority, certainly vote for a party that has imposed massive property taxes on them and massively has increased their electricity bill? This isn't even being discussed on TV today. Let me repeat it for the slow listeners. If the election was about economics and affordability, then why did a significant majority of the Democrats, perhaps some others in the state of New Jersey, vote for the party that drove up their property taxes and drove up their energy bills? That doesn't make any sense, does it? You know, affordability was the issue. Then why would they vote for the party that controlled the legislature for 20 years and the governorship for eight? What is that all about? So that is not the answer. It might be the answer for some people, but it's not the answer. So I'll go back to my premise. The immigration strategy of the Democrats has worked. Their judges at the district court level know it. Their mayors know it. Their governors know it. That's why they refuse to support or cooperate on deportation, even if it means a serial killer, a rapist, or whatever. You know, as Mark said, a little bit of despotism, so be it. Because their bigger picture is this is their constituency. The number of people in the state determine the number of congressional districts. It should be citizens, but that's not the way it works. Right now, they're banking on the court not having the guts to rule the right way on birthright citizenship. So every baby that's born to an illegal immigrant in this country, and there are millions and millions of them, there were before, but now there's even more, thanks to the Democrats. Their border was open for a reason, folks. They count on them as being Democrats. They don't care if they're Islamists who are pushing Sharia law. They don't care if there's a significant number of women who are sold into sex slavery. They don't care if there's unaccompanied minors. They can't find 300,000 of them. Hey, hey, hey, hey. It all comes out in the end. This is how they think. This is how they think. I'll be right back. Mud loving folks, I have a question for you. Do you believe America's best days are still ahead? With the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence coming up in less than a year, my friends at the Heritage foundation are taking stock of the current situation and they need your input. They've launched a survey on America's future, Gauge how Americans feel right now about where we are as a nation and where we're headed in the next 250 years. You know, for decades, your American values have been under attack. But now with President Trump's administration in office, we have an opportunity to turn the tide and usher in a new golden age for America. But the Heritage foundation needs to hear from you. What policies do patriots like you most care about? What do you believe are the defining principles of America? What legacy do you believe we should pass on to the next Generation? Please visit heritage.orglevin today and share your feed feedback and help shape the future of America. That's heritage.org L E V I N Paid for by the Heritage Foundation. I'm writing one of my friends what I'm telling you folks in New Jersey, Republican. The Republican spoke lots about affordability, didn't he, Mr. Producer? Electric bills, property taxes, which, which the Democrats were responsible for, you know, controlling the legislature for 20 years. Spare with me. This is live and live and what? And active. All right. Also, what's crucial here to understand is it gets back to organizing and bottom up politics as far as I'm concerned. I was talking on the, on WABC before this program, the cast of media show, by the way. It was a lot of fun, by the way. And my take on this is there was a gentleman, a former deputy mayor who made a great point. He said, you know, the Democrats are always suing to slow things down. And he's right. And the Republicans, conservatives and business people should sue like hell to slow things down. But the governor has some input on what a mayor is doing in New York. Hochul threw in with Mamdani. A lot of the state is repulsed by this. Not every town and city in New York is New York City. And so this gubernatorial race there I think is going to be very, very important and a lot of potential there, particularly in my view, if Elise Stefanik gets in, also to counter his anti Semitism and so forth. And I will say this, we Jews have to be honest with each other. 70% of the Jewish population did not vote for Mandani. So that's significant because most of the Jews in New York are Democrats. But 30% did. There's something wrong with that. There's something wrong with it. Now, by the way, same with Christians and same. Okay, fine. But I'm talking to Jews who were specifically targeted by this Islamist. And the things that he said in the recent past as an adult are really horrendous. And my wife Julie likes to say the problem is for these Jews who are left wing is that the Democrat Party is their religion. The religion is not the religion. I think that's the answer. And by the way, that's also with left wing Catholics who vote for candidates who support abortion on demand. And you can go down the list. But, but this is particularly irritating to me when you have a candidate that's palling around with people who support terrorism, who support the mastermind behind the attempt to blow up the twin towers in 1993, who throw around terrorist slogans that are used and so forth and so on. There's something really wrong about this. The self hating Jew, the self hating people of other, of other faiths. There's something wrong with this. More when I return. We're coming upon the 250th birthday of the United States. And it has me thinking, what will America look like 250 years from now? My friends at the Heritage foundation want to know what you think. What policies should America prioritize? What principles should carry us into the decades ahead as America enters a new golden age? Heritage recognizes that this is the time to take stock and to be intentional about how we shape the future of America. And they can't do it without your input. So please go to heritage.org Levin and let them know what you think is important. Without patriots like you stepping up and speaking up for what you believe in, America as we know it can't survive for another 250 years. Please go to heritage.org Levin heritage.org Levin take the survey on America's future. This survey takes less than 10 minutes to complete, but it is critical for making sure that the America we pass on to future generations is an America we're proud of. Go to heritage.orglevin today. That's heritage.org Levin paid for by the Heritage Foundation. This is where Hollywood liberals come for rehab. The Mark Levin show is back at 877-381-3811. Now, ladies and gentlemen, here's the problem. We not only have to fight these people on the left, if we don't get the neo Nazis, the Klansmen and their ilk on the radical right and push them out and denounce them in the most and strongest way possible, we're not going to win anywhere, including in red states. I posted the following video. You can hear the audio on my social sites a few hours ago. I just want you to take a listen if you will. Cut 25, Mr. Producer. Go. Hello America. My fellow patriots. I don't normally do this post a video message, but I think the times require it. You saw Mondami get elected mayor. You see what's taking place in our country right now. We are really at a very difficult point, a very difficult point. On the left, we have the Marxist Islamists. They are organized. They are well funded. They're funded by Soros, they're funded by foreign money. They're bragging about it. They have this group, care, which is a Hamas front group founded by Hamas. They're destroying our colleges and universities. People are not safe in the streets. The undermining of the cops is purposeful. And I could go on and on and on, and you see it taking place, and it's not just taking place in big cities anymore. It is spreading through the country like a metastasizing cancer. Then conversely, you see on the extremist right side, not conservatives, not constitutionalists, not maga, not Reaganites, not Tea Party activists, goons and thugs of the old school 1930s. And they used the 1930s antisemitism. They used the 1950s racism and segregationism. These are very evil people. And we're dealing with very evil people on the extreme left and the extreme right. I'm here to say to you that we need to fight these forces, not join them, not make excuses for them. And if there are platforms that we've relied on in the past, whether they are media platforms, whether they are think tank platforms, whatever organizations they are, whatever individuals they are, if they are not out there right now helping us save our country from these forces on the radical left and the radical right, which are colluding in effect, to take down this country, the greatest country on the face of the earth, then we need to dismiss them. You can call it deplatforming them, I don't really care. It's the market system. We need to make sure that they don't get rich off of their hate, off of their Marxism, off their Islamism, off their anti Semitism, anti Christianity. These are bad people and they mean bad things for our country. We should really step back and look at what we've inherited, in some cases, fought for. This is the greatest, greatest culture, society, government ever created by human beings over thousands of years, ever, Ever. We're at the pinnacle of human existence. I'm not talking about materialism. We could. I'm not talking about anything of that kind. I'm talking about freedom, diversity, tolerance, a just rule of law, power that is diverse and not centralized in order to ensure that we live in a. In an open society. Look at the Bill of Rights. Just look at this country. Look at what we have. We've had men who have fought for this country, given their lives for this country in one war after another to ensure that we inherit what we have today. We have a hell of a great country. Despite the efforts by the Marxist Islamists, despite the efforts by the extreme right thugs, despite their efforts to tear us down, to turn us into a third world country, if you will, to impose a religion on us or impose an ideology on us, or to attack, attack what this country has fought for in World War II. They're now embracing Hitler and post war, they're now embracing Stalin, or they're embracing the leadership of Qatar, or they're embracing the leadership of Iran, or they're embracing Putin. Now these people are screwed up and they mean us evil. No, they're not to be entertained, they're not to be intellectualized. We should have nothing but contempt for them. They may not be physically burning our flag on the extreme right, but they're burning our country on the extreme left. They're out there burning our flag and raising the flags of other countries and terrorist movements. The only thing that can stop this is you and me. We the people, united and strong, demanding from our politicians that they speak out, stop hiding. Their silence is deafening. All but a few. It shouldn't be left to a few. This is our country. It doesn't belong to people who come here and seek to impose their ideology or their faith on the rest of us. It belongs to us. It belongs to our ancestors who fought for this country. Nor should we tolerate in our ranks, in our house reprobates, real loathsome people who are out there foul mouthing our country, lying about our history, lying about our greatest generation who are embracing people who put other human beings in ovens and gas chambers. Now trashing Christians, practicing faithful Christians. Tens of millions of this country claiming basically the Old Testament and the New Testament when it comes to the Christian Bible are to be read separately. In fact, take the Old Testament and burn it. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a huge point in our existence as a free country. There is an enemy within. Lincoln warned us about it and he wasn't the only one. President Trump has warned us about it and he's not the only one. There's an enemy within. In fact, there are enemies within. This isn't about free speech, different points of views. This isn't about an old Democrat Party Republican Party dispute. This isn't about any of this. We're talking about extremist radicals, heavily funded, funded by people who hate this country, who want to destroy this country. Most of it's under the radar most of it. You don't see our media is pathetic. They're apparently incapable of reporting on this honestly. In fact, they give platform to many of these people. It's up to us now. What do you say you join me in fighting this? I'm not talking about violence. That's them. Speak out. Address them. Don't be silent. Demand that your government, state, local, federal do something about this. Demand that foreign money that comes into this country and funds these movements be stopped. Demand that the tax code not be used to give these movements cover. Demand that these podcasters be held to account by those who are funding them and those who are platforming them. Demand that we protect our country from these individuals who are stealing our liberty, who are stealing our free speech rights, who are using the benefits of this country to try and destroy this country. We need to join together. What do you do? You ask. The dinner table is a good place to start with your kids and your grandkids. Your neighborhood's a good place to start. Your church, your synagogue, your mosque is a good place to start making your views known to mass media is a good place to start. Look at what these other people are doing. Show up at the school board meetings, show up at the meetings with the mayors, show up at town hall meetings with members of Congress. Ladies and gentlemen, I was involved in the Reagan revolution. I was involved in the Tea Party revolution. I'm involving convention of States. I've been involved in the Trump revolution. The point is we know how to do this, that we must do this. We need to have the guts of some of the great men of the past, like William F. Buckley Jr. Who did, in fact. Who did, in fact, look at the John Birch Society and Pat Buchanan and Joseph Sober and others and said, you know what? Antisemitism, and in some cases even anti Americanism. We reject it full throated and loudly. You're not part of the conservative movement. You're part of some fridge thug, fringe, thug belief system that we want nothing to do with. And the people on the left, we won the Cold War, did we not? We thought we did. The Soviet Union was destroyed without firing a bullet. Now it's worse, it's more complicated, it's more daunting. The Marxists are among us. They're in our universities, they're in our teachers unions, they're in the Democrat Party. They're there. The Islamists, not talking about Muslims. The Islamists, the jihadis. They're here. They're organized. They're heavily funded, they're winning elections and they're going to win more. The Democrat party leadership has failed us. We the people are in charge. We are a virtuous people. John Adams, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington all said that we were a virtuous people. And we cease being virtuous. We're going to lose everything. That's what makes us the best country on the face of the earth, not just in. Also Iran. Athens fell, Persia fell, Rome fell. They're all gone. The British Empire doesn't exist anymore. They're collapsing from within. France is falling. Europe is falling. And if we don't fight back, if our voices aren't heard, if we reject people who give us word salads or on both sides of the line, if we don't reject them, then we're going to lose. We have a blessing in this country, our family, our way of life. We need to defend it. We need to speak out. We need to be an army of hundreds of millions of people. It doesn't matter how much dark money the Democrats spend. It doesn't matter how much dark money fund these podcasters. It doesn't matter how low they get. We need to steamroll them and we need to start the day. I'll be right back. Mud loving folks, I have a question for you. Do you believe America's best days are still ahead? With the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence coming up in less than a year, my friends at the Heritage foundation are taking stock of the current situation and they need your input. They've launched a survey on America's future to gauge how Americans feel right now about where we are as a nation and where we're headed in the next 250 years. You know, for decades, your American values have been under attack. But now with President Trump's administration in office, we have an opportunity to turn the tide and usher in a new golden age for America. But the Heritage foundation needs to hear from you. What policies do patriots like you most care about? What do you believe are the defining principles of America? What legacy do you believe we should pass on to the next generation? Please visit heritage heritage.org Levin today and share your feedback and help shape the future of America. That's heritage.org L E V I N paid for by the Heritage Foundation. Victor Davis Hansen came out today, both guns barrels blasting against Tucker Carlson and this right wing. He called it new anti Semitism. That is a disgrace to civilization. It will lead to the absolute destruction of the conservative movement in the Republican Party if it's not addressed and called out in a significant way. Dinesh d', Souza, a good friend, has been very courageous over the last many weeks, has called out Katarlsen and others directly and relentlessly for the same exact reason. People are speaking out who you respect, do you know, because this can't stand. It's going to be hard enough to beat off the Marxists and Islamists, the anti Semites and anti Christians on their side. We cannot have them stabbing us in the back, distracting the voters and trying to devour our movement, the conservative movement, the constitutionalist movement and so forth. Also, I want to address this issue of tariffs. You're going to hear a little bit from Supreme Court justices. I just want to make clear, here's the bumper sticker, there's nothing in the law or the Constitution that prevents the president to use tariffs. There's nothing in the Constitution that prevents it. People can talk about, you know, the power of the purse, but the power of the purse. That line is not so clear. When the president says, I'm using tariffs to rebuild our industries, I'm using tariffs to fight off the tariffs of foreign countries, I'm using tariffs for national security reasons. And if all that's true, and it is, they can't then say, well, we, the court have decided only Congress can do this. Congress has the power to use the power of the purse. Congress can pass a statute trying to limit the president's tariff powers. I would argue that that is a separation of powers battle. But nonetheless, they can try. But they haven't. They haven't. And they don't need help from the court to figure out how to do it. So the court should stay the hell out of it, which would require one side or the other to do something or not. I believe one of the justices said, where does this end? It ends if the Congress passes a law. That's. What do you mean, where does it end? It ends with the voter. If the voter doesn't like it. What do you mean, where does this end? I see Justice Roberts said it's a tax. Even if you believe it's a tax, it's more than a tax and it's less than a tax. That is any regulation that the executive branch issues can be called a tax. Any regulation can be called a tax. Does that mean every regulation has to take the form of a statute, has to be passed by Congress? I'm all for that. But the court has to be consistent, doesn't it? So when I hear John Roberts saying a tariff is a tax, that is A of course a political line may well be true, but a regulation is a tax too. An environmental law is a tax too. And I can go down the list of the God knows infinite number of regulations that are out there that cause people to spend money or to lose money making them hence a tax. So throwing around slogans and shibboleths and all the rest ain't going to get you anywhere, not if you're really serious about analyzing this on constitutional grounds. Whether you like tariffs or not is not the point. The point is what is the tariff for? And if the President makes the case, the tariffs for a whole bunch of stuff, then it's not purely a quote unquote tax, is it? It's not purely a power of the purse issue, is it? No, it's not. Gee, I just did the whole hour, Mr. Producer, but I'll get into it a little bit more. President Trump on Mondami. How much time do we have, Rich? Okay, not enough time. You'll want to hear some of the things he had to say. They're great and very important. And again, we will jump into the tariff issue and we do have Dinesh d' Souza coming on and we will expand on this issue. What. What's happening to undermine us from within. We cannot have saboteurs. We cannot have Benedict Arnold's in our midst. Whether it's Katarlsen, whether it's Little Adolf, whether it's Third Reich Bannon, whether it's Head Case, Owens, whoever it is, and their followers, the Gropers and others. We cannot allow them to destroy the only thing that stands between the Democrat Party, the Marxist Islamists, and our liberty. That's you and me. That's it. That's all there is. I'll be right back. This segment of the podcast is exclusively sponsored by Pure Talk. PureTalk offers great coverage and can save your family money on your wireless bill every single month. Go to PureTalk.com to find the plan that's right for you. Thank you again for listening and thank you so much for this sponsorship. Pure Talk. He's here now, broadcasting them from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building. We've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Loved. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll have Dinesh d' Souza in a little bit, but I want to jump in with both feet on this tariff argument. First, we have the Chief justice of the United States. That's the official title under Constitution John Roberts. Cut 19 go. I think this is a question for the other side as well. It's too two facing, yes, of course, dealings with foreign powers. But the vehicle is imposition of taxes on Americans. And that has always been the core power of Congress. So to have the President's foreign affairs.
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Dinesh D'Souza
Power trump that.
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Mark Levin
Basic power for Congress seems to me to kind of at least neutralize between the two powers, the executive power and the legislative power.
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
Let me say two things in response to that. First, the notion that these are the taxes are all borne by Americans that are not borne by foreign. Foreign producers.
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Mark Levin
All right, let me slow down. Let's stop here. To me, the answer to this is quite simple. We have situations where Congress has delegated the authority of the President. You know, we've had tariffs since the beginning of the Republic and they've delegated authority to the President of the United States to determine tariff levels. And that's relatively recent as well. So according to John Roberts logic, every time that happened, that was an unconstitutional delegation of the taxing authority power of the purse. Where does he draw the line on that if he's going to stick purely in the taxation lane? It's much more complicated than that. What a tariff is and what it's for and the impact of it. And then that's my question. How does Congress delegate that core power? He just said it's a core power. He's not wrong about that. How does Congress delegate that power? And it has through past tariff acts, of which there have been many scores of them, to a President of the United States to make the decision to have the discretion to determine whether powers will apply or how much they'll apply in certain circumstances, beyond emergencies. That's number one. Number two, what did I just say about regulations? Regulations are a tax, and yet every regulation doesn't go through Congress. Well, then John Roberts would say, but Congress has delegated that authority to agencies and departments. Well, Mr. Chief justice of the United States, you just said that's a core power of Congress. Therefore, Congress cannot delegate to another branch of government, whether it's a judge or a president, the power to raise taxes. And yet that's what regulations do. No, and even more so than tariffs, because the people who pay the regulation are American citizens, American businesses, no question about that. In the case of tariffs, Americans might pay them, foreigners might pay them, other countries might pay them, and so forth and so on. So it seems to me this is a. A black hole that he's trying to go through. Go ahead.
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
Mr. Bedus is empirically. That's not there's no basis for that in the record. It's actually a mix.
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Mark Levin
Who pays the tariffs if a tariff is imposed on automobiles? Well, who pays for the regulation? Regulations. Who pays for the regulations? When a business is regulated in America and they have to expend money, which they almost always do with a regulation, and there are tens of thousands of regulations. In fact, the Heritage foundation many years ago did an analysis and said regulations are more expensive than taxation. A trillion dollars worth of regulations virtually every year. And those regulations are issued by the executive branch agencies while they've been delegated there. Well, if that's a core function, you can't delegate the power to tax, not just to a president. You're delegating it to bureaucrats. That would be my reply. Now we have justice sort of Sotomayor, one of the dumbest. Cut 20 go. I just don't understand this argument. It's not an article. It's a congressional power, not a presidential power to tax. And you want to say so here we have a debate over separation of powers, which is why I began this in the last hour by saying if it's a debate over which political entity has this power, they're insisting these two, that it's Congress. I'm insisting that Congress has delegated certain authorities to the executive branch and this court has never ruled them unconstitutional, not in any significant way, or we wouldn't have a bureaucracy now would we, that can. They can regulate. They're not really making intelligent substantive arguments to me. Go ahead. Taxes. But that's exactly what they are. Degenerating money from American citizens revenue. And you say it's incidental to the regulatory. Now that's particularly interesting. So I guess that means when the Interior Department leases land and makes an independent determination on what that cost is going to be to oil companies, to ranchers, to farmers and so forth and so on, that's clearly unconstitutional, right, Mr. Medusa? I mean, where are they going with this? And again, I said the overlay is these are not purely taxes as these two justices imply or assert. Of course they have national security implications. Of course they have economic implications, negotiating ability of a president with communist China or the European Union and other countries with the threat of tariffs or the actual implementation of tariffs in the short run or long run. Again, tariffs have been with us since the beginning of the Republic. Tariffs are used for a multiple, you know, multiple reasons. Robert says yes, but at bottom there are tax. Yes, at bottom a regulation is a tax. Go ahead.
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Elie Shirabi
But I don't see how a quota.
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Mark Levin
Is equivalent to revenue. Raising a quota sets a limit to what you can import in, but it doesn't change. Well, I guess you're not familiar with your great hero. That court in the Wickard decision that said the, this was a crazy ass decision, but the left loves it because it massively expanded the power of the central government. Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, it saved it effectively. This Wickard decision was a decision by the Supreme Court. It's infamous for the leftists, celebrated and famous, where they said the lack of commerce means commerce. So if a farmer withholds interstate commerce, that farmer is affecting commerce. And so what Sotomayor is saying here is go ahead, play it. I don't understand this argument that it's equivalent or that foreign powers. So in other words, if you put a block on the amount of products that a country can sell into this country, she's saying that's not the same as a tax. Well, let me ask you folks a question. If we limit the importation of goods into the country, doesn't that increase prices? Mr. Producer, the whole point, the whole point of having quotas on products from, let's say Japan, motorcycles during President Reagan's term, or electronics from President Reagan's terms, or computers from President Reagan's term is to drive up the price domestically in order to build up the industry or to expand the industry. Is that not a tax? But is that not also important? There's no fine line between the two. Now Congress can try and draw it. They haven't. Most of these tariff acts are quite ambiguous. And so for the court to step in here and say yes, but taxing is that doesn't answer any questions. And now she's saying if you have a quota, that's not the same thing as a tariff. Well, a quota isn't the same thing as a tariff, technically speaking. But the depending on the use of the tariff and the nature of the quota, they cannot be absolutely the same thing in terms of the consumer. A tax, again, what's the point of a quota? Let's say it's a quota on motorcycles. It was to help Harley Davidson survive. That's why Reagan did it. They were dumping motorcycles in the country so the price of Harley Davidsons went up. That's a tax. Technically. Right, but the purpose was not to tax. Their purpose was to improve the motorcycle market for motorcycle production, not necessarily the consumer. So you would save Harley Davidson. I'm going to get into more of these points. Maybe I should argue this case. Mr. We'll be right back There's a reason I'm proud to say Pure Talk is my wireless company. Because they don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk. Especially when it comes to supporting our veterans. This month, PureTalk is choosing to support Canines for Warriors, an incredible organization that rescues and trains dogs, then pairs them with veterans struggling with ptsd. These are men and women who serve with honor, but when they come home, that brotherhood and support network they had in the military too often disappears. Canines for warriors steps up to fill the gap, giving these heroes purpose, companionship and healing. That's exactly why PureTalk, a veteran led company, supports them. Choose a wireless company that shares your values and with talk, text and plenty of 5G data for just 25 bucks a month, you could also be saving a ton of Money. Go to PureTalk.com Levin to make the switch today, again, go to PureTalk.com Levin and switch to America's wireless company, my wireless company, Pure Talk. You know, it's a pleasure to have Dinesh d'. Souza. This guy is a great patriot. He's a superb scholar, filmmaker, thinker, writer. My wife and I have gotten to know him and his wife a little bit and we really do find him to be fantastic. And he's got this great film out there. You can still see it online. The dragons prophecy. Film.comthedragonsprophecyfilm.com we will post that on all our social sites about October 7, and much of it is from a biblical perspective. And so I wanted to ask Dinesh d', Souza, who has been friends with Tucker, like most of us, the danger that he in particular, but people who are attached to him and promoted by him, are presenting to our society, to our culture, to the survivability of the conservative movement. And does this not also provide an enormous opportunity for these Marxist Islamists on the left?
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Dinesh D'Souza
Yes, the danger of Tucker is that he is driving a wedge between Jews and Christians, between America and Israel, between in a sense, the two foundational pillars of Western civilization, which are Athens and Jerusalem. And so this is bad for Trump, it's bad for maga. It gives a terrible brand to the Republican Party because it seems to open the door to all kinds of bigotries that are now pouring into the Republican side. Not just anti Semitism, but hatred toward blacks, hatred toward Indians like Harney Dhillon and Vivek Ramaswamy. It is actually giving us a terrible image. I noticed in New Jersey, for example, yesterday, there's a community that is very heavily Indian that went by about 20 points for Trump, and now it went by 20 points or more for the Democrat. So a massive shift. How do you explain that, except for the fact that Indian Americans who felt more and more welcome in the Republican Party are now being made to feel like they need to go back to India.
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Mark Levin
Isn'T part of the problem. A guy like him and him and people like him, they don't have to really deal with the consequences of what they're doing, and they're not really feeling the consequences of what they're doing or care about them because they have this niche. Even if it's a few million people, it's still a tiny percentage, a fraction of the population generally. And if they're paying $99 a month or whatever it is, they still become incredibly wealthy, and they have to continue to become increasingly outrageous to draw attention to themselves. I've been thinking about this. This is what so many of the podcasters have to do. They have to separate themselves from the rest. And this particular type of podcast, they're not about informing, educating. They're not about interesting topics, profound topics. They're about the crazier you can be, the more rogue and unhinged you can be. If you attract that niche, even a growing niche, you enrich yourself.
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Dinesh D'Souza
I do think that that is part of the story, particularly with some of the other influencers who have attached themselves to this griper movement and Tucker and Nick Fuentes. I think with Tucker, however, he is playing a darker and a bigger game, and that is to institutionalize himself within powerful institutions like the Heritage foundation, like TP usa. He's obviously got an in at the White House. He's got a son working for J.D. vance. So I think for Tucker, it is ultimately about steering the entire MAGA movement and the Republican Party. Post Trump. They can't do very much with Trump. Trump is sort of not on their side, and they recognize that, but they're looking at a post Trump future. And I think Tucker is using this kind of army of angry young men who are sitting in their basement. They hate their life. These are people who are on social media eight or nine hours a day, and he's using them as a kind of online militia to browbeat other people into submission. This is why, for a long time, no one dared to criticize Tucker. So in some ways, I think Tucker's plan is because a wall of criticism has now mounted against him. I don't think he fully expected that, but I think his goal is nothing less than to ultimately be at the steering wheel of the maga movement post Trump.
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Mark Levin
A lot of people are attacking him now. And I can tell you when I effectively started this battle. You were working on your documentary at the time. I guess it was in May, because he took the first swipe. When I met the President, I told Mr. Producer and I told my wife. I think I told you the other week, I said, I'm going into the swamp. I'm going to get into the gutter with these guys because that's where they are. I can't debate them. I'm not interested in debating them. I'm interested in exposing them. And I said, and I'll see you hopefully in six months. And yet I still have one leg in the swamp. But I have noticed that there is an enormous amount of pushback now, and I think this is crucially, crucially important, particularly from conservative institutions, people of faith. I mean, he actually attacked evangelical Christians, saying that he viewed them as he despised them more than any other people. Were they terrorists? More than anything, he despised these evangelical Christian, Christian Zionists. I think you're a Christian Zionist, aren't you?
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Dinesh D'Souza
Yeah, I've never used that label, but especially now that it's being used as an accusation, I all the more enthusiastically embrace it. I embrace it almost as an epithet that I'm gonna wear as a badge of honor. But look, with Tucker, you have now an ensemble of views that goes actually even beyond platforming. Nick Fuentes, I mean, here's a guy just recently who has offered the following ideas. Number one, in World War II, we perhaps should have allied with Hitler. Hamas is not a terrorist organization as much as it is a normal political movement, maybe somewhat like the Labour Party. He's gone on to say, Sharia law is not all that bad. The socialist narco terrorist leader of Venezuela, he said, is basically somebody who is socially conservative. So you just put all of this together, and there's a lot more where this came from. And you ask, is this really maga? Is this where MAGA wants to be? This is not about canceling Tucker. This is about defining who we are as America First Conservatives.
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Mark Levin
When we come back, Dinesh d'. Souzan. He's got this great film out. I want to encourage you to hit it online there. It's the dragons prophecy film.com. you can link right directly from my social sites. Do you think this is oriented toward the people he surrounds himself with, the people who support his enterprise? You think it's truly a cerebral mental thing? What do you think it is that's driving him? You know, my attitude toward this is it probably doesn't matter. It just needs to be exposed and countered. But apart from that, what do you think? We'll be right back. There's a reason I'm proud to say PureTalk is my wireless company. Because they don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk. Especially when it comes to supporting our veterans. This month, Pure Talk is choosing to support Canines for Warriors, an incredible organization that rescues and trains dogs, then pairs them with veterans struggling with ptsd. These are men and women who serve with honor, but when they come home, that brotherhood and support network they had in the military too often dissipates peers. Canines for Warrior steps up to fill the gap, giving these heroes purpose, companionship, and healing. That's exactly why Pure Talk, a veteran led company, supports them. Choose a wireless company that shares your values. And with talk, text, and plenty of 5G data for just 25 bucks a month, you could also be saving a ton of Money. Go to PureTalk.com Levin to make the switch today. Again, go to PureTalk.com L E V I N and switch to America's wireless company. My wireless company, pure talk. Mark within the thunder on the right. Call in now. 877-381-3811. By the way, I want to thank Jeffrey Lord and Paul Kengor, Bob Terrell, all buddies of mine, I think. Dinesh, I think you wrote for that American Spectator here at one point. Maybe you still do. Beautiful piece they wrote about me. I want to thank them very, very much. That rarely happens, trust me. So, Dinesh d', Souza, I know you're not a psychiatrist either, but let's give it a shot. Why is Tucker Carlson unhinged?
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Dinesh D'Souza
I cannot say that I know for sure. Of course, there are a lot of people who say this is for the money. There's a giant river of Islamic cash that is pouring into the American institutions to try to buy them off. I did notice that right about the time that I saw in a New York Times article that Qatar is launching a major campaign to try to dissuade Trump from using force to overthrow the Maduro regime in Venezuela. Tucker, like right on cue, comes out with a kind of defense of Maduro, a defense of socialist Venezuela, making the peculiar claim that they are somehow a, quote, conservative society. Now, that was very eerie to me. I've always thought it odd. Tucker's a wealthy guy. He comes from a wealthy family. It's hard for me to believe that he's solely motivated by money. I don't think he needs Qatar to pay the Mortgage. So I've never been content with that kind of explanation. At one point, as you probably know, Mark Tucker made the very strange claim that he had been physically attacked by a demon. I don't know if you've heard about this. I've actually watched the video. He's not joking. He claims that a demon attacked him in his bed and bloodied him and actually bruised him and left blood on the sheets. And he, Tucker seemed very bewildered by this. But this is. I would not write this off and dismiss it completely. I'll call this the demonic explanation. I was on Roseanne Barr's podcast and she said. She said, I even know the name of the demon that attacked Tucker. And I was like, roseanne, what is it? And she goes, well, in the Hebrew scriptures and in the Talmud, there is a name for the demon of antisemitism. And she told me the name, which I. Which I now forget. So, look, we're flailing here at trying to give an adequate psychological explanation. I agree with you that we should focus really on the effects and the actual content of what Tucker is saying.
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Mark Levin
Now, if politicians, I mean, let me put it to you this way, Dinesh. If you're going to run for the Republican nomination for President of the United States, this is going to come up. You're going to have to make a decision. If you stand with the bigots and the racists, the Jew haters and the Christian haters, basically American haters, you point out the founding of Judeo, Christian values and so forth, or stand with the rest of us, these politicians are going to have to make that decision. They're going to have to decide whether he and his little buddy Fuentes and that whole crowd of many of them are just bizarre podcasters, whether they're going to stand with them or stand with everybody else. Right? They're going to have to make a decision.
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Dinesh D'Souza
Absolutely. I mean, any. It seems to me that any aspiring presidential candidate or maybe even candidate for other office who kind of embraces this kind of groiper, white identitarian agenda, we don't need the Jews, we don't need the blacks, we don't need the Asian Indians. I mean, they have. Not only do they have no future, but if they do have a future, they will drag the Republican Party like right off the cliff, right off the precipice. I think the encouraging news is that I don't think that's going to happen. I think right now there is a kind of almost unanimous. Now, there was a time when I said to myself, I don't see Tucker having even a single, like, very prominent public critic. And now I would say the opposite. I don't see Tucker having a single public defender. Even the Heritage foundation has backed off completely from their earlier and unwise kind of embrace of him. And so I think that the message has gone through to the Republican Party and MAGA that this stuff is really toxic, that no one is talking about banning these people. But they have platforms already. We don't. They're going to continue to have platforms. And like you say, there's an incentive for them to put out this salacious material one on top of the other, because maybe it has, in a perverse way, a kind of entertainment value, but it's something entirely different to embrace it as a position either for MAGA or for America first or for the Republican Party.
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Mark Levin
All right, my friend, I appreciate you very much. You take care of yourself. Thank you. Very well done.
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Dinesh D'Souza
Thank you very much.
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Mark Levin
All right. You take care. I'm not sure Dinesh listens to this show. I'm just saying. You think I'm wrong, Mr. Producer Radio. I know he watches the TV show, everybody watches that. But I got to get him to listen to the radio show. Oh, I know what I meant to tell him. But I'll reiterate it because people come and go, which is Victor Davis Hanson has quite an extensive piece in the Free press, really taking this subject on in every angle. Historic, cultural, present day, the impact on the Republicans, the conservative movement, how this also is of great assistance to our opponents. And he takes on Katalsen directly. He used to, of course, platform and invite Victor on as one of his favorite scholars. But, you know, somebody who conducts themselves the way this guy does, Katarl Sin and the rest of them, you know, you got to live with yourself and you got children, you got grandchildren, you have a spouse and something like that. You would never tolerate this done to your family. Said to your family, sent in your house. And if you do, for all the gropers out there, what do they call themselves? Groipers. So we'll call them Gropers. For now on all the gropers out there and all the. I'll figure out a name for the followers of Katarlson and the rest of them. That's going to be your legacy. When you're gone, that's going to be your legacy. Those who apologize for him. Look, I don't agree with everything he says, but it's a good guy. Who's that? Megan, Megyn Kelly, people like that. Piers Morgan, I don't know Honestly, I don't listen to them. Megan, I've seen her stuff online. Pierce, I don't see much of his stuff. I don't care about these people. I really don't. I really don't. I don't wake up in the morning. What does this one thing, I don't care. But if I get information that demonstrates to me that they're doing things, that they're conniving, that they're misleading their audience, that they're trying to do things for a buck. Because you see, ladies and gentlemen, when I was in, when I've been involved in these various efforts, activism, mission oriented, door to door, street to street, election after election, movement to challenge the Republican establishment, after movement to challenge the Republican establishment up to my eyeballs. And I don't remember Tucker Carlson or Megyn Kelly or the fraudster who confessed to stealing money, perhaps from many of you to build a wall that never exists. And by the way, while we're on Bloated Bannon, AKA Third Reich Bannon, AKA the Fraud Room Bannon, he said the other day. He was very explicit. He says a lot of things. Eats a lot of things, too, if you notice that, Mr. Producer. Nonetheless, he says a lot of things like, we're gonna denaturalize Mandami. No, he's not. He's a buffoon. He's a liar. So he's elected now. He's elected now, Bannon. Are you going to denaturalize him? How are you going to denaturalize him after you finish building the wall? Is that it? After the President runs for a third term, which, of course, the court would never allow that. And he's not going to do it anyway. This is a guy who's a buffoon. Oh, and our friend Marjorie Traitor Greene. Did you see this one, Mr. Producer? She wants to run for president in 2028. So immediately, you know what came to mind? Which country? Turns out she wants to be our nominee for President of the United States. Man, oh, man, is there plenty that she has said, too. Who's going to be her running mate? Fuentes. Who's going to be your running mate? I'm just curious. Maybe our buddy Eric Bolling. Maybe he'll be the running mate. Nah, I won't get into it, but that's not gonna work. I'll be right back. Mud Love in There's a reason I'm proud to say PureTalk is my wireless company. Because they don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk. Especially when it comes to supporting our veterans. This month, PureTalk is choosing to support Canines for Warriors, an incredible organization that rescues and trains dogs, then pairs them with veterans struggling with ptsd. These are men and women who serve with honor, but when they come home, that brotherhood and support network they had in the military too often disappears. Canines for Warrior steps up to fill the gap, giving these heroes purpose, companionship and healing. That's exactly why Puritok, a veteran led company, supports them. Choose a wireless company that shares your values. And with talk, text and plenty of 5G data for just 25 bucks a month, you could also be saving a ton of money. Go to PureTalk.com Levin to make the switch today, again, go to PureTalk.com Levin and switch to America's Wireless Company. My wireless company, PureTalk. You know, ladies and gentlemen, I'm blessed. I've been around many, many great men and women, people who've been so important in advancing the cause of liberty and civilization, who've written brilliant things, who have said brilliant things, created organizations as a first line of defense for our liberty. I've been around these people. I've done many of these things myself. So I know great men and women when I see them, when I hear them, when I work with them. And I know punks and low lives and losers when I see them too. Thugs. And I also notice these punks, low lives, losers and thugs. They're always trashing the people on whose shoulders we stand. Ronald Reagan was not good enough for them. Winston Churchill was not good enough for them. More and more. Donald Trump's not good enough for them. Of course, Benjamin Netanyahu, he's the worst of the worst. As they celebrate Stalin and Hitler, as they celebrate phony historians and Holocaust deniers, as they embrace Sharia law and repudiate Christianity, as they embrace Hamas as a political organization and repudiate Judaism. I mean, folks, how hard is this? We all know right from wrong and good from evil. These are evil people. Guitarlusin is a evil person. He's nothing like you. You remember from Fox. He's an extremely wealthy person. He grew up with a platinum foot in his mouth. The Swanson family, if you've ever had any Swanson frozen foods. Not attacking his family. They're successful. I'm addressing him directly. His father was a neocon, the foundation for the Defense of Democracies, which he trashes now. I told you, I met his fathers twice. What a class act. What a really nice man and a hawk. And hawkishly pro Israel. But it is what it is, isn't is what it is. He's sort of the Tokyo Rose of the isolation of movement. I mean, how are these people any different than neo Nazis and Klansmen, really? What they say about blacks, what they say about evangelical Christians, what they say about Jews, what they say about our country, like we're the colonialists and we're the imperialists. How they embrace some of the very entities that would have embraced Hitler, and some of them did. Do any of you have people in your family who have served in the military or serving in the military now? What do you think of this? What do you think they would think of this? Any of you affected by 911 directly, a family member, what do you think your family members, what do you think they would think of this? Seriously? I mean, if you want to live under Sharia law, it is very simple. There are a zillion countries that have it, then go enjoy it. They would take the likes of a Katalson and they would publicly dismember him. Seriously, if he went to Gaza, he'd find out who his friends really are. But he's not going to do that. Even Putin mocked him after the interview. Thought he was going to ask me some tough questions. Fuentes had to be laughing. Little Adolf, prepubescent little punk had to be mocking and laughing at guitarlsson. There's other people who are in his orbit and tend to remain in his orbit. Megyn Kelly's one of them. She doesn't say the things he says, that's for sure. But it's not that clever. And she's expanding her media company now. Very big independent, you know, Another one who I don't remember in any of these battles whatsoever, but she's irrelevant to me. Irrelevant. And so if we don't get our act together, we're going to get crushed politically. We don't get our act together, we're going to lose our culture and our society. There's no question about it. Why is Katarlson being quoted by cair, the Hamas related organization? They've been. They've been quoting him. Because he's a useful idiot, that's why. 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Very, very kind of them and many others out there I want to thank. But actually not many others are there, Mr. Producer. But those that are, I just want to thank you very much. I want to get back to this Supreme Court issue on tariffs. I think I've answered the Chief justice of the United States, Roberts. I've answered Sonia Sotomayor. Let's give a shot here. Amy Comey Barrett, cut 21, go.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Can I just ask you a question? Can you point to any other place in the code or any other time in history where that phrase together regulate importation has been used to confer tariff imposing authority?
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
Well, as to regulate importation, that was held in twea. So obviously. And that's okay.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Okay, so an intermediate appellate court held it in twill. But you just told Justice Kavanaugh that wasn't your lead argument, that your lead argument was this long history of the phrase regulate importation being understood to include tariff authorities. So my question is, has there ever been another instance in which a statute has conferred, used that language to confer the.
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Mark Levin
Why does that matter? Why does that matter? Let's say there's not. Why is that controlling? That doesn't mean a. A affirmative decision was made not to use it because you couldn't use it. I would say to the justice, of course you're not allowed to. But what I would say to the justice is, okay, well, let me ask you this. Are you aware of any case in which it actually came up and it was rejected and the answer is no? So it's a red herring. Go ahead.
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
I mean, obviously other statutory example is just imports. The cases we rely on are cases where, for example, in Gibbon, Ogden and Justice stories.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
But that just shows the word can be used that way. None of those cases talked about it as conferring tariffs.
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Mark Levin
You see, that's actually even weirder. That just means it can be used that way, not that it confers that authority necessarily on the President. I don't understand. So you're President of the United States, you're making decisions about tariffs, and you got to decide if language can be used a certain way, but whether it actually confers it on you. Now, why would a president do that and why is that so important? That is, does it confer it on him? I don't know. Justice. Does it? Well, it's never been used that way before, but it's never been tried that way before. You see what I mean, ladies and gentlemen, this separation of powers issue, the way this is being dealt with to me is almost comical, if not childish. Go ahead.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
I understood you to be citing McGoldrick and Gibbons and those cases just to show that it's possible to say that regulating commerce includes the power to tariff.
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
I think. I think our argument goes a bit further than that as an interpretive matter, because if you look at that history, the history of delegates.
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Mark Levin
Could you just answer the Justice's question? Isn't that nice? Somebody woke up Sotomayor. Somebody woke her up. Would you just answer the question, please? Where are we? First of all, your question was as dumb as they come. Justice, Go ahead.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Can you identify any statute that used that phrase to confer truth?
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
Yeah, the only two statutes I can identify now are twea, as interpreted in Yoshida and then closely related. Not regulate importation, but adjust imports in section 232.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Well, I think adjust imports is different. So the answer is the contested application in TWIA and then now in IEIPA.
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Mark Levin
And then of course, I mean, let's stop a second. But there's no counter cases in which it says a President cannot. I'm trying not to get too much in the weeds here. There's no counter cases that says a president cannot I looked at this. So can you tell him justice, where there's counter cases where it says a president can't interpret it that way. Go ahead.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Yeah, I understand that.
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Mark Levin
Okay.
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
And then, but then more fundamentally, we rely on historical sources to show there's this long historical pedigree of broad delegations of the foreign commerce power, not the power to tax. And the that we're not asserting here. Delegations of the foreign commerce power to the president going back to Gibbons against.
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Mark Levin
So here's what's going. Let me slow you down because it may be confusing everybody and I don't blame you if you are. He's asserting that this is a foreign policy issue, in some cases a national security issue, that it's not viewed as a tax issue per se. I would argue that maybe it has a taxing effect, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a foreign policy and national security issue as well. Just, just like a regulation. Regulation has a tax effect. But then on the other hand, who's going to enforce regulations? Who's going to write regulations if the executive branch does not. But just because people talk fast doesn't mean they're actually making any sense. And she says, look, maybe he can do it, but can you show me any basically precedential court? And by that she means a significant court like her court or just under her court that interprets it the way you do. And my answer to that is why does it matter? If it's never been presented before, why does it matter? Go ahead.
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
And board of Trustees, where this court and founding era sources say the power to, in other words, the power to tariff is kind of this natural, you know, as everyone knows, that includes.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
Just ask you one other question about the plain text general science first.
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Mark Levin
They never listen to the answer. They just blow right through. Go ahead.
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Justice Amy Coney Barrett
You've referred to the other verbs in IIPA as capacious. Would you really describe them as capacious? Because to me, things like nullifying, nullify and void have definite meanings. I agree with you that regulate is a broader term. But those words I think are powerful. They give, they pack a punch. But I wouldn't describe them as capacious in the sense that they have a wide range of meanings. So can you describe what you mean by capacious?
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
Let me put it this way. You look at all nine verbs together and you're looking at a spectrum of powers from the most sort of negative, nullify, block, prohibit, void to the most affirmative, direct, Comparison, compel.
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Mark Levin
And then this guy's no dummy. Go ahead.
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
We that are more intermediate, regulate, investigate, and so forth. So the natural common sense inference from that grammatical structure is the intention of Congress to sort of COVID the waterfront.
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Mark Levin
Yeah, very well said. So what she does, she pulls two words out of it, the, the, I'll put it my way, the most aggressive words, and says these seem to me to be very clear. And he's saying, well, okay, but what about the other eight words that are in the same sentence? You know, that's like reading the First Amendment but cutting a big chunk of it out. No, that's not what the First Amendment says and that's not what the authors intended. So my question to you, America, is this. Why is she being so hostile? Why is she asking questions? To me, they were pretty stupid, like why is there no precedent in this area? Well, because there's no precedent in this area. And these two words seem pretty aggressive, pretty hard hitting. Well, maybe they are. But what about all the other words that are in the same sentence? So why is she doing that? I'm just curious. You know, Clarence Thomas is really a genius because you figure if I have nothing to say, let me listen, see how this works. But I feel like some of these justices feel they have to speak even they sound stupid. We've seen Jackson, we've seen Sotomayor, and I have to say in this instance anyway, Barrett to me sounds very foolish. Roberts sounds foolish. Sotomayor sounds like a thug. But let's keep going. Here's Justice Gorsuch, cut 22 ago. You say that we shouldn't be so concerned in the area of foreign affairs because of the President inherent powers. That's the gist of it, as I understand it, why we should disregard both major questions and non delegation. So could Congress delegate to the President the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations as he sees fit, to lay and collect duties as he sees fit?
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
We, we don't, we don't assert that here. That would be a much harder case now in 1790.
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Mark Levin
Isn't that the logic of your, of your view, though?
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Attorney or Legal Expert (Tariff Case Advocate)
I don't think so because we're dealing with a statute that was a carefully crafted compromise. It does have all the limitations that I just talked about.
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Mark Levin
You're saying you shouldn't. Look, we shouldn't be concerned with. I want to explain to me how you draw the line because you say we shouldn't be concerned because this is foreign affairs. And the President. You know, it's interesting, Gorsuch is saying this because what I had been thinking is this, how do you draw the line? If this court draws the line against the President of the United States and all these tariffs, all these negotiations, all these foreign policy and national security implications, whether it's China or some other country, collapse, they just collapse. They've neutered him. They collapse. And yet that's not compelled by the Constitution or any statute that I'm aware of, which is exactly what I said early on in this reminder. Remember, I said, Mr. Producer, they should stay out of it and let the two branches duke it out and Congress can use the power of the purse and make a much more affirmative and definitive statement about what they believe the President can and cannot do. And then the President makes a far more definitive statement about his powers under the Constitution, their Article one powers, his Article two powers, then it might be right for the court, once the two sides have been very clear about it. But they should never have taken this case except to take it overturn. The lower courts made it clear that this is a political doctrine question, meaning the two political entities, the two branches, are going to duke it out. And it's really not right for us to be sitting here making a such a thin, straight line delineating what's on one side and what's on the other, because it's not that easy. It's not that easy. The tariffs on China were used to stop China from raising tariffs on these critical raw materials that we need for our computers, for our defense and so forth and so on. And they work. So I would ask John Roberts, is that a tax? I would ask Neil Gorsuch, was that a misapplication of the President's powers? What was it? You kind of need to have that arrow as to use against other countries. I don't understand what the hostility is. They're afraid the President's going to become too powerful, that he's going to take the taxing authority. Let's try it this way. The President, United States says, I'm going to raise the income tax. Everybody knows, no, you can't, or I'm going to slash your taxes. No, you can't. And this President knows that. How do we know? Because the, the beautiful big bill had to be passed in order to cut taxes. He didn't say he had that independent authority. If they're worried about taxes, well, what about taxes through the back door? Well, nobody does more taxes through the back door than the bureaucracy. Ask yourselves. Many of you have had to deal with this and the costs throughout the economy are massive. Massive. All right, let's keep going. Go ahead. And so delegation off the books, more or less, or at least if that's true, what would. Well, delegation is off the books because to me that's the least of the arguments. Arguments. The least of the arguments because they're not asserting a taxing power. They're asserting a foreign policy, national security power under the second article of the Constitution. That's what they're asserting. If they're up there asserting a taxing power, that'd be a whole different thing. Now people want to say, well they're taxing. Isn't that the core of it? That's what Robert says. And he says no, that's not the core of what we're doing. We're negotiating to lower somebody else's tariffs. We're negotiating for a better economic situation for our people. We're negotiating in a way that we can protect and build up our industries. It's not a matter if you agree with the president's policies. I'm talking about the Constitution. And I think if I'm the justices, what I'd say to Congress, if not directly, but even through this answering questions session this hearing is has Congress ever passed xyz? No. Has Congress passed anything since Donald Trump has been president this term to try and limit what he can do? No, because they don't have a majority. Exactly. The Democrats. So we have what's called elections. Go ahead. Just abdicating all responsibility to regulate foreign commerce for that matter, declare war to the president. All right, stop. That's kind of absurd. I don't mean to be rude because I like Gorsuch these kind of questions that reach to absurd levels. They don't. They're not. I'm not impressed by them. We'll be right back. 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That's 888-585-IFCj or online at levin for the fellowship.org that's L E V I N for the fellowship.org notice. Curtis Slieber was not a spoiler, was he, Mr. Producer? So all the attacks on him were really pretty outrageous. In fact, I thought he was the most, most articulate in the whole damn campaign. What do you think of that? We'll be right back. Folks. We're living in a time when America's most cherished values are being challenged. Values like faith, family and freedom. And that's why I support amac, the association of Mature American Citizens. AMAC is the choice for Americans who care deeply about preserving the principles that have guided this nation for generations. 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Welcome to the program, America. And the whole world is sitting on the edge of its chair in order to hear a little bit of your story. It's very, very important with all the static out there and so forth. And so I wanted to start at the beginning. We'll break this into little pieces. Tell us about your life before October 7th and your family.
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Elie Shirabi
I've been, you know, in Kibbutz Berry for 35 years, 28 of them with Leanne that arrived from UK as a volunteer. She intended to be there for three months. We fell in love, we lived together. We raised two beautiful daughters, Noia and Yael, that had great childhood like we dreamt for them. Lots of friends, lots of activities, you know, me and Leanne. Each one of us was concentrated our, you know, career I used to be a CFO of the kibbutz and other companies outside of the kibbutz. And Leanne was the last year. She's been dentist assistant. And she was very happy from this work.
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Mark Levin
And your daughters were how old on October 6th? October 7th, how old were your daughters?
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Elie Shirabi
Neue and Yael. Both of them born in October 1st and October 3rd. So just the week of October 7th, we just celebrate them a birthday with lots of friends at the house and balloons and cakes and. And really it was great celebration. They were very happy about that. That's it.
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Mark Levin
So they were teenagers.
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Elie Shirabi
Neue was 16 and Yahel was 13.
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Mark Levin
Yeah, 16 and 13. Yes. Tell us a little bit about each of your daughters, Neue.
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Elie Shirabi
I used to. First of all, she liked music a lot. And it was one of the things that we did together. We went to concerts of singers and she really liked that. She liked her friends and most she liked to help, you know, disabled kids with the autism. And she did it for three years before October 7th. And Jael liked the extreme life. She liked to jump from airplanes, skydiving, scuba diving. She plays football. That was her passion.
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Mark Levin
And you know, you write about it in the book, so I know it's hard, but. October 7th, what happened October 7th to you and your. And your girls, your wife?
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Elie Shirabi
We just woke up 6:30 in the morning from alarm in the kibbutz. We pick up the girls to the safe room, stay there for four hours. In the meantime, we've seen some. First of all, we got the message to stay in the safe room because there is possibility of terrorists infiltrated Barrie. So we stayed. We've waited there for four hours. In the meantime we've seen films on the television from Sderot and Ofakim and Nova Festival. And we understood the situation is not in control at all. The few hours after that, we start to hear the fighting in the kibbutz. We start to hear some, you know, shootings. And we start to hear the fight. And we got some messages from kids that said somebody shot dad, somebody shot mom, and our house is setting on fire and things like that. Leon and I made a decision that we are not going to fight with them. We are going to say this exactly what they are asking from us. We presume I'll be kidnapped, but for them, the British passport will protect them. And that was our plan. And when they arrived, more than four hours after we got in the safe room, we did exactly the same. They understood they have British passport. Five minutes later they took me out of the house. That was the Last time I've seen them, unfortunately, these monsters didn't have any boundaries. They didn't care about their British passports and they murdered them five minutes after I was kidnapped.
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Mark Levin
My God. Now, prior to coming out of the safe room and presenting them with the passports and so forth, I assume and as you explain you had a discussion with your wife about what you were going to do and you had a discussion with your daughters too, correct?
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Elie Shirabi
Not really. We tried to be very quiet about that. We understood each other about the passport. That the first thing we've sent to them after they stop shooting in the, in the safe room we showed them they have British passport and that's it. That's the last time I've seen them because they took me out of the house and I just shouted to my girls that have been in the kitchen area. I shout them I'll come back. And that was the last thing, the last time I've seen them.
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Mark Levin
And then what happens to you?
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Elie Shirabi
They kidnapped me, you know, push me in the car. On the way of the car I've seen something like 150 terrorists in our neighborhood coming in and out from every house, celebrating, smiling, filming themselves. So I understood that the army is not around because they nobody fought with them in our neighborhood. They pushed me in the back of the car that they stole from Barry and we driven to towards Gaza, something like half an hour and we stopped in a mosque.
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Mark Levin
But before we get to that, let me ask you this, which is what did they say to you in the car? Anything. What did they do to you in the car? Anything.
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Elie Shirabi
Was it silent just from time to time? No, they haven't been silent. From time to time they beat me. They talk with themselves about how millionaires we are in the kibbutz because they've seen the neighborhood. It was the newest neighborhood in kibbutz Bay area. We only been there five years in our house, that's it. And they were very stressed if the army is going to bomb the car or not. But again after half an hour we stop in the mosque. They tried to take me out of the car. A mob of civilians were outside and they succeed to take me away from them, from the terrorists start to lynch me. It was kids on top of me with shoes start to hit me. Fortunately again the terrorists that have been with me in the car succeed to take me into the mosque. They undressed me, start to interrogate me.
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Mark Levin
All right, let me ask you a question before we get in the mosque. The book is hostage by the way. You really ought to Grab this book on Amazon.com it's available now, Amazon.com, hostage. You really ought to read this book and get the facts. It's just unbelievable. But the population there, including the kids, they wanted to string you up. They wanted to lynch you right there, correct?
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Elie Shirabi
Yes, yes. Most of the time when I've been in the house of the Palestinian house, of the family, that I was there 52 days, the first 52 days, the terrorist of Hamas was scared from the civilians outside that will hear me or see me and will come to the inside the house and will lynch all of us, include them. It was when we walk the streets in Gaza, it was the most scary thing I've ever done.
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Mark Levin
So the population wanted you dead. They wanted to hang you. So this idea that there's a big separation between the terrorists and the population.
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Elie Shirabi
Yes. These civilians, that was so called uninvolved, we afraid them the most. Yes.
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Mark Levin
So you're dragged into this mosque and you were saying what happened?
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Elie Shirabi
They start to interrogate me.
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Dinesh D'Souza
And.
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Elie Shirabi
I said to them, I answered that I'm in Arabic. And they were very surprised I know Arabic. So I said, they were sure, I'm from the secret service, from Israel, from the IDF. And I said to them, I'm 51 years old, old, I'm a civilian. And they didn't really believe me. And they took me from there to a family Palestinian house. And we've been there for 52 days, chained on our legs and hands. And of course you need the permission to speak and to eat and to go to the toilet. This is what we've, we've done 52.
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Mark Levin
Days, and then what happens after 52 days?
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Elie Shirabi
It was the first ceasefire that they changed the women and the children, Israeli hostages, with their prisoners. And we were sure it will come our turn as well. Instead of that, they took us, me and another guy that arrived the day before, another Israeli hostage. They took us to a tunnels, and in the tunnels that was in the mosque, we've been 50 meters underground. And I met another, another six hostages, Israeli hostages there. One of them included was Hirsch Goldberg and was American citizen. And I knew an amazing man. Unfortunately, they separate us after three days. They took Hirsch Goldberg, Oridanino and Dalmorghe Sarusi to other places. They said to them, they are going home. But unfortunately they didn't arrive home and they were murdered 10 months later in other tunnel.
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Mark Levin
Yeah, it's unbelievable. Again, this is all important, this book is very, very important. Remind everybody how many days you were held as a hostage.
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Elie Shirabi
I was 491 days, 440 days from them. It was under, you know, in the tunnels, 50 meters underground, humiliated. The humiliation was on daily basis. Violence from time to time. Chained, of course, 24, 7. For all these 440 days, you know, the hygienic condition was very, very poor. We got to shower every six weeks with half of cold. Half a bucket of cold water, soap or toothpaste were a luxury for us that we've seen every three or four months. This is our life. But the worst, the worst thing, we didn't care about all these things. We could, you know, it was bearable for us. It was a part of our survival. But the worst thing was the starvation. We used to eat one meal a day. It was a bowl of pasta or a bowl of rice or one and a half pita bread, usually dry. That was the worst thing. I was weighted on October 7th, I was more than 70 kilos. And when I was released 16 months later, I was 44 kilos.
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Mark Levin
Well, without going to Google, that's how many pounds when you were released?
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Elie Shirabi
You know, I don't know in pounds, and I know just in kilos.
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Mark Levin
I'm looking it up right now. Stick with me. Okay, that's 2.2 pounds. So you lost over 60 pounds. That's a lot.
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Elie Shirabi
Yes, of course.
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Mark Levin
Yes, that's a lot. Did you get close to or friendly with any of the others who were kidnapped? Were you with them long enough to really get to know who they were? And were you able to speak to each other?
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Elie Shirabi
I've been for 14 months, 247 with Elia Coin or Levy and the Lon Oil. We've been together in the tunnels. We needed to survive together. So of course we talked every day. We knew about each other, everything about our childhood, family, friends, hobbies, whatever, you name it. I know everything about everyone. And that was good because it helped us to survive together. And we've been really united. We made lots of process between us and we had lots of strategies about the relationship that we had with our captors. And we analyzed them 24 7, and it helped us to survive.
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Mark Levin
Did you talk to each other about whether or not you would get out? Did you have hope or no?
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Elie Shirabi
We didn't lose our hope, our faith for one minute. I used to repeat that it's only a matter of time until we are going to be released. I don't know if it will be another month, another eight months. We are going to be released, that's for sure. Because I knew how Israel acting about their civilians. And I knew that the idf, all the secret services and our leadership as well, doing everything they can to take us out from there.
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Mark Levin
You know, I'd like to have you back one day. I know it's not easy given the time and so forth. I feel like we've touched barely the surface here, folks. If you want to get all the information, and I encourage you to do it because this is a real story of humanity versus this monstrous terrorism. The book is called Hostage, and we're talking to a very, very brave man, Eli Shahrabi. Eli, I cannot thank you enough for your time. I want to encourage everybody listening, grab this book. You can get it on Amazon.com hostage or any major bookstore, but you can get it tomorrow right there on Amazon.com I definitely want to try and get you back in three or four weeks. I won't put you on the spot, but there's so much more to talk about. I just want you to know. Thank God you're back. We are extremely and sincerely sorry about the loss of your beautiful girls, your wife, and we wish you all the best in the future, my friend.
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Elie Shirabi
Thank you very much, Mark. Thank you for having me. It was a big honor. Thank you.
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Mark Levin
Honor is mine. God bless. We'll be right back. Mark levin, With Donald Trump back in office, one of his biggest adversaries, top Democrat Dick Durbin of Chicago, is leading the charge to derail President Trump's agenda at every turn. And now Senator Durbin has a new scheme, a government takeover of your credit card. Right now, Americans have thousands of credit card options, all with equal strong security. But Durbin's plan could result in less security. That means more risk for your credit, your identity, and your financial future. Now, Durbin's bill isn't about helping consumers. It's a giveaway to corporate megastores, which could shift costs onto you while putting your rewards and fraud protections in jeopardy. We've seen Durbin's failed policies before his last big banking regulation backfired, leading to higher costs and fewer benefits for American families. Tell Republican senators, stop Durbin's government takeover of your credit card before it's too late. Learn more@guardyourcard.com that's guardyourcard.com paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. Justice Brett Kavanaugh, cut 24. Go. Mr. Katyal referred to common sense of several times. And I want to pick up on Justice Barrett's question because your interpretation of the statute, she pointed out, would allow the president to shut down all trade with every other country in the world or to impose some significant quota on imports from every other country in the world, but would not allow a 1% tariff. And that leaves, in the government's words in sprif, an odd doughnut hole in the statute. Why would a rational Congress say, yeah, we're going to give the President the power to shut down trade? I mean, think about the effects. But you're admitting that power's in there. Yeah. I've got to say one thing, folks, that seems. This seems very esoteric to me and not even on point. I'm just saying this gives the power, the ability of the President to just shut down all trade. Don't you think they'd IMPEACH the President, Mr. Producer, if they did that and remove him from office? Any president shut down all trade? The answer is yes, that's what they would do. But that said, there's no president who's going to shut down all trades. There has to be some level of common sense here, the application of the real world here. And of course, if that's the position of Barrett and that's the position of even Kavanaugh, they really fear something like that potentially could happen. Or as through their logic stream, they look at this, I still don't see why Congress couldn't act either through impeachment or even the power of the purse, a statute, something of that sort. I just don't get it. So if a president were to shut down all commerce, you think Congress would sit there and thumb their nose? No, they wouldn't. I want to salute all you heroes out there. I want to thank you and I look forward to seeing you tomorrow, same place, same time. God bless you.