12/10/25 - The Truth About Somali Refugees and Welfare Use

Summary

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Mark Levin Podcast: "The Truth About Somali Refugees and Welfare Use"

Date: December 11, 2025
Host: Mark Levin | Guest: Rep. Jim Jordan

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Mark Levin tackles the controversial topic of Somali refugees and welfare use, particularly in Minnesota. He draws heavily on a Free Press article by Ayaan Hirsi Ali to discuss cultural assimilation, crime, and welfare statistics among Somali communities. Levin criticizes political leaders for what he sees as their unwillingness to confront cultural incompatibilities and political correctness, and he ties these issues to broader concerns about immigration, multiculturalism, and national cohesion. The episode features commentary, article readings, and an expansive interview with Congressman Jim Jordan, covering antisemitism, Sharia law, and surveillance overreach.

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Main Themes

• The cultural assimilation challenges posed by Somali refugee communities in Minnesota and elsewhere
• Welfare dependency among Somali households, as presented by recent studies
• The dangers of multiculturalism absent assimilation
• Criticism of mainstream political leaders (Democrats and establishment Republicans) for ignoring or downplaying these challenges
• Broader concern for American national identity, constitutional values, and the threat of both Islamism and cultural Marxism

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Section Summaries & Key Points

1. Revolutionary War & Constitution Trivia (Starts ~[02:11])

• Levin opens with historical trivia about the signers of the Constitution.
• He spotlights less-known Founding Fathers and their contributions.
• Purpose: To educate listeners on American founding principles and set up a contrast to current events.

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2. Politics of Identity & Critique of Politicians (Starts ~[07:42])

• Criticizes Gov. Josh Shapiro (PA) and Gov. Spencer Cox (UT) for pandering and lacking moral clarity.
• Plays a clip (~[08:59]) in which both are seen, in Levin's words, as equivocating or posturing on issues involving Muslim communities.
• Quote:

  "He [Josh Shapiro] plays up his Jewish heritage to Jews and plays it down to Muslims and others. It's just... diabolical, really. You either are something or you're not..." — Mark Levin ([08:20])

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3. The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Article: Somali Culture, Crime, Welfare (Main Content: [13:14] - [29:38])

Cultural Clustering & Amoral Familism

• Levin reads from Ayaan Hirsi Ali's analysis of Somali culture, referencing sociologist Edward Banfield.
• Quote:

  "Politics is not a dissertation. Rather, it's the art of emotional direction. He [Trump] makes people talk about what he wants them to talk about, and beneath his theatrics lies a truth his critics cannot deny." — Mark Levin reading Hirsi Ali ([15:39])

• Hirsi Ali details how Somali refugees tend to cluster, reproduce clan-based social organization, and are slow to integrate.
• Examples from Sweden, Britain, Canada, and Kenya are discussed, noting persistent welfare dependency and crime.

Multiculturalism's Failure & The Case for Assimilation

• Assimilation, not mere integration, is essential according to Hirsi Ali and Levin.

• Quote (Ayaan Hirsi Ali, read by Levin):

  "Full assimilation. No clustering, no parallel societies ... We must insist on a civic identity that supersedes clan identity. Those who refuse should not remain in the country..." ([25:47])

• Levin broadens the analysis to criticize Islamists and multicultural policies:

  "Not everybody talking. Yeah, you got the Marxists and you got the Islamists ... when I was talking about this, nobody would touch it. They were scared to death..." — Mark Levin ([33:39])

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4. Welfare Data & Further Critique (Starts ~[36:39])

• Cites Center for Immigration Studies data on Somali welfare use in Minnesota:
  • 81% of households on one or more forms of welfare
  • 89% of Somali-headed households with children on welfare ([41:09])
  • Compares with native-born Minnesotans (only 21% on welfare)
• Notes lack of English proficiency and high poverty rates among Somali refugees.
• Quote:

  "Nearly every Somali household with children is on welfare. Again, not because they're lazy. But because they want to take advantage of the system for their personal needs and their family needs. The hell with the taxpayer, the hell with the government, the hell with the whole country." — Mark Levin ([36:47])

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5. Political Correctness & Media Critique (Starts ~[44:30])

• Argues media cover up these realities due to political correctness.
• Dismisses accusations of racism, calling his critique a matter of culture, not race.

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6. Interview: Rep. Jim Jordan (Starts ~[51:54], Full Segment ~[51:54] – [68:38])

Antisemitism, Islamism, and Cultural Threats

• Discusses the rise of antisemitism and importance of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
• Expresses concern about the spread of Sharia communities and lack of assimilation.
  • Quote:

    "I'm very nervous ... about this very small but ... maybe growing ... on the conservative side, people who take this anti-Israel position. I just ... do not understand it one bit." — Jim Jordan ([53:31])

Surveillance & Overreach by the DOJ

• Jordan details how Jack Smith subpoenaed members of Congress' phone records and emails.
• Raises privacy concerns and questions about the rationale (e.g., being labeled a "flight risk").
• Quote:

  "This was a centerpiece and central issue in the 24 presidential election. And thank goodness President Trump won and we've secured the border. But yeah, that’s what happens when you embrace craziness." — Jim Jordan ([57:27])

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7. Other Political Commentary & Callers' Segment ([70:58] onward)

• Levin critiques politicians like Jasmine Crockett and recounts an extensive list of her controversial statements.
• Light hearted segment about classic Christmas songs written by Jewish composers ([96:30]).
• Listener calls highlight local governance frustrations and reminisce about Rush Limbaugh.

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Memorable Quotes and Segments

• "Assimilation or fracture. Cultural cohesion or cultural evasion. A functional society or a patchwork of rival loyalties." — Mark Levin reading Ayaan Hirsi Ali ([25:47])
• "I'm attacking Islamists. Islamists. And they deserve to be challenged and questioned and called out." — Mark Levin ([46:14])
• "There is simply no allegiance whatsoever to America, to America's culture. None. Zero." — Mark Levin ([35:15])
• "Success is in the eyes of the beholder. If you're happy and you have a good family and you can put food on the table and not worry that much, you're successful." — Mark Levin ([105:38])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [13:14] – [25:47]: Reading and discussion of Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s article on Somali culture, amoral familism, and the failure of multicultural policies.
• [36:39]: Mark Levin discusses new welfare statistics for Somali households in Minnesota.
• [41:09] – [43:33]: Detailed statistical comparison between Somali refugee and native Minnesotan welfare and educational attainment.
• [51:54] – [68:38]: Interview with Rep. Jim Jordan on antisemitism, the rise of Sharia enclaves, mismanagement under Biden, surveillance issues.
• [70:58] – [80:54]: Commentary on Jasmine Crockett, critique of Democratic leadership, and segue to Christmas trivia.

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Tone and Style

Levin’s tone is urgent, polemical, and unapologetically confrontational, blending historical references with contemporary political critique. He frames the discussion in terms of cultural survival, constitutional values, and the threat posed by what he perceives as lax immigration and assimilation policies. Calls to action, pointed criticisms, and direct readings from like-minded thinkers (Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Jim Jordan) reinforce his narrative.

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Conclusion

This episode encapsulates Mark Levin's brand of nationalist, conservative commentary: fierce critiques of multiculturalism and political correctness, passionate defense of assimilation and constitutional values, and data-driven arguments about immigration’s impact on American society. Dialogue with Jim Jordan underscores the seriousness with which Levin views these challenges, framing the stakes as existential for the future of America.

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For further details or source materials, listeners are urged to look up Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s article in the Free Press and Center for Immigration Studies’ reports.

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Transcript

[Mark Levin]

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Hello, America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 8773-8138-1177-7381-3811. Man, oh man of shevitz. We's got lots of stuff we're going to get into tonight.

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But before we do, I told you we're going to have our little Constitution moments and.

Revolutionary War moments because I think this kind of information is very important to try and educate, if not re educate. Many of our young people aren't hearing these things now. Last night we talked about some of the signers of the Constitution. We also let you know that 70 delegates were appointed, only 55 attended, and only 39 of the 55 actually signed the final document.

That little piece of information is unknown by most for some reason.

We talked about Haim Solomon in the Revolutionary War period, the main financier of the Revolutionary War, including the Battle of Yorktown where George Washington specifically wrote James Madison and said to please contact.

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Hi, I'm Solomon.

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I have a mutiny on my hands potentially, and we got to pay the soldiers and get them some food. And we've got this, this big battle.

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Because the French are going to take.

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Their navy out of here in about three weeks if we don't make a decision.

Haim Solomon.

For little Adolf Fuentes and Tucker Guitarlsson. He was born in Poland as a Jew. He came to the United States and immediately in 1775 joined the sons of Liberty in New York and joined the early revolutionaries immediately. And he was very, very well known, but not known virtually anybody today. And we're going to get into this over the course of the next year. We're going to have a lot of fun with this. And I've gone through a number of the men now who've signed the Constitution. William Samuel Johnson. I'm not going to do it again, but we discussed him. Richard Bassett, Jacob Broome, George Reed, William Feud. Let's touch A few others.

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Daniel of St. Thomas.

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Jennifer.

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He was from Maryland.

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Maryland. He's a mysterious figure. Almost nothing's known about his early years. No one is certain where he was buried.

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He was sort of a moderate supporter.

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Of the revolutionary cause and a regular but mostly quiet attendee to the convention. Sounds like your typical politician in Maryland, Roger Sherman, who actually is quite well known by a lot of people. But just to make sure one underscore who he was. He's from Connecticut. He was a self taught man as well. And he gave up the law to become a shopkeeper in Connecticut and soon embarked on a successful political career.

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He served in both the House of.

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Representatives and the U.S. senate. He was a key man behind the.

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Connecticut Compromise.

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Was Roger Sherman.

Here's one. Gunning Bedford Jr. Gunning Bedford Jr. Delaware, a lawyer by profession, believed that Bedford served as an aide to George Washington during the Revolutionary War. At the convention he spoke passionately in support of the rights of smaller states. He was from Delaware after all.

John Dickinson, who actually is quite known. Known as the Penman of the Revolution. Dickinson was a highly educated, articulate advocate of a peaceful solution to the rift with Great Britain and wrote the famous Olive Branch petition, a heartfelt but futile effort to get George III to rethink his policies regarding his North American colonies.

Abraham Baldwin of Georgia.

Having served as a minister and a tutor at Yale, Baldwin was a chaplain in the Continental army for part of the Revolutionary War and then turned to a career in the law, serving 18 years as a member of Congress and then as senator. I'll touch on one more. We'll cover some more tomorrow, of course. Daniel Carroll of Maryland. Daniel Carroll. Most of these folks you've never heard of before.

[Mark Levin]

Carroll led a private life until entering.

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Public office in 1781 when he was elected to the Continental Congress. He was a friend of George Washington and an acute attendee of the convention. He made around 20 speeches during the various debates for Maryland. And yet Daniel Carroll is not really well known, is he?

Then there's James McHenry of Maryland. An Irishman by birth, McHenry did not migrate to Northern America until 1771. He put his medical training to good use during the Revolutionary War, serving as an army surgeon and thereafter went into politics as journalism.

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One of the best sources on the.

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Debates that took place during the Constitutional Convention. So we also have James McHenry's notes. Of course, Madison's notes were the most extensive and so we'll have more to discuss tomorrow.

The men who signed the Declaration of Independence. Excuse me. The Constitution, the United States. We'll get to the declaration. We're going to move backwards on this, but I thought you'd find it interesting.

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I want to play Governor Josh Shapiro.

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Who desperately wants to be the Democrat nominee for president. He is spending a lot of time with the most radical elements of the Muslim community in and around Philadelphia and in the state of Pennsylvania. I mean, radical imams. He's also given $5 million to that radical imams. I guess they call it some kind of academy or something. So he's trying to play down his Jewish race with non Jews and play it up with Jews. I hate this kind of politics for these. These damnable politicians do this sort of thing. I mean, Josh Shapiro.

Plays up his Jewish heritage to Jews and plays it down to Muslims and others. It's just. It's diabolical, really. You either are something or you're not. You don't have to play it up and you don't have to play it down. But I want you to listen to what he said about Ilion Omar, about the president and so forth and so on. And Spencer Cox of Utah, who's the governor there. Most of you didn't know who he was outside of Utah until Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And you saw his various public comments, which were actually quite good. But the guy's really quite a liberal Rhino Republican. Apart from all of that. Cut 11 go.

[Spencer Cox]

I think leaders have a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity. That's true of governors, and I think Spencer Cox beats that. Mark. I tried to meet it, and I think it's a responsibility that falls on the President of the United States as well. I think this president not only failed tonight to speak an act with moral clarity by attacking a fellow American, whether we agree or disagree positions in Congress, but what he does when he attacks a fellow American like that is it sends a signal to others in this country that others can be scapegoated, others can be singled out, others can be targeted, or worse yet, others can become victims of political violence. I think the President has a responsibility here, as do, and I agree with Spencer, as do all Americans, to try and lift up the rhetoric and tamp down the hate. And I think the President needs to do better.

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Many of you have heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She's actually quite well known. She's a formidable intellectual. She's married to Neil Ferguson and they're quite a. Quite a remarkable couple. And she was born in Somalia and she wrote a piece in the Free Press that I want to read to you.

About the Somali culture and the Somali community, which Josh Shapiro doesn't know anything about. And instead, he gets on his high horse and says the things that he says while he's funding radical Islamists. So I'm going to take a break now, but I want to read this to you. It's going to be really.

Eye opening, Eye opening. And then gets into this issue. When people come into this country, they're supposed to be checked in advance to determine whether they can and will assimilate into this country. And if they come from certain cultures.

That simply are not going to tolerate that sort of thing, then they shouldn't be here. And that's Trump's point. And if Trump had said it with all the wisdom of Aristotle, they would still condemn him. They would still condemn him for saying it, period. And these are the people, whether it's a Spencer Cox or Josh Shapiro or more radical elements, for sure.

Who would tolerate the cultural, you know, diminution of the American system in the name of political correctness. And that's a problem. We'll be right back.

[Show Producer/Announcer]

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[Mark Levin]

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All right, now you're going to learn something, as I did reading this article from Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a great thinker, great writer, intellectual, just a great American who came to this country from Somalia and knows the Somalian culture quite well.

And here's what she wrote, and it's very much worth listening to.

[Mark Levin]

All right here.

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Okay.

Minnesota takes pride in its restraint, decency, and an earnestness that sometimes verges on self parody. Yet that identity is complicated by the presence of one of the world's largest Somali communities, which hasn't simply settled in Minnesota but is clustered tightly and predictably with the same social logic that governs life in Mogadushu, where I was born. Anyone who knows Somali culture has long known where this would lead. Anyone familiar with Edward Banfield would have predicted it twice.

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Banfield, you see, the sociologist who conducted.

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A now famous study of a small village in southern Italy, argued that some.

[Mark Levin]

Societies are held back not by a lack of resources or brains, but by a worldwide view he called amoral familism.

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The villagers of Caramante were neither lazy nor unintelligent.

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They were trapped in a system that encouraged them to seek the short term interest of their kin, but punished cooperation beyond the family. In his book the Moral Basis of a Backwards Society, it irritated all the right people. It arrived in 1958 just as multiculturalism was beginning its ascent, and it offended the new orthodoxy to a degree that critics all but buried it.

Yet Banfield's insights are even more accurate today, especially when applied to Minnesota, which is dealing with a crisis that polite society refused to see.

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Yep, it is a rerun of the.

[Mark Levin]

Reaction conflict over Haitian migrants Last year, when President Donald Trump claimed that immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, were eating cats and dogs, most of the media went apoplectic. His recent description of Representative Ilian Omar, a Somali immigrant, is garbage, triggered the same reflex.

Once again, Trump used exaggerated language to goad progressive elites into defending something that should be indefensible the bleak state of the immigrant underclass.

Trump understands something that both the left and the moderate right have forgotten. That would be people like Josh Shapiro.

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And this guy Cox from Utah.

[Mark Levin]

Politics is not a dissertation. Rather, it's the art of emotional direction. He makes people talk about what he wants them to talk about, and beneath his theatrics lies a truth his critics cannot deny. Minnesota is experiencing cultural fragmentation, institutional strain and a near total breakdown of public trust. A murder rate has surged in Minneapolis. Public money is missing, stolen by local fraudsters, including dozens of Somalis who swiped Covid aid money through a sophisticated scheme. A billion dollars seemed to have been pilfered with ease, and not one major Democratic politician in the state expressed contrition or even mild discomfort. The theft was treated as an unfortunate administrative mishap rather than a civic scandal. Twin Cities religious leaders assembled Thursday for a long denunciation of Trump, and the tone was predictable, solemn, righteous, utterly detached from the facts. Not one person mentioned the enormous fraud that rocked the state. Not one acknowledged the criminal networks operating within Minnesota's refugee origin population. The gathering felt less like a reflection and more like a campaign rally. Draped investments Senator Amy Klobuchar, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, and the rest of the state's Democratic leadership class have perfected the art of missing the point. When Somali gangs terrorized Western neighborhoods and Somali men rape young girls, politicians avert their eyes. The hapless Fry even butchers a few Somali phrases on local tv, convinced that linguistic pandering can substitute for the courage he lacks. It would be funny if the stakes weren't so high. It's as though acknowledging the cultural dimension of Minnesota's crisis would break some unspoken covenant. But ignoring culture has consequences, and Minnesota is living with them. To be clear, Somalis in Minnesota are not unique in their patterns of clustering. In the Rigby neighborhood of Stockholm, known widely as Little Mogadishu, Somali businesses dress language, dominate public life, and residents endure frequent shootings, bombings, arson attacks, open drug markets and violent gang rivalries. Even worse, the neighborhood produced Fawud Mohammed Khalaf, a Somali Swedish imam who preached jihad in Rigby before rising to become a senior Al Ashab leader. His path shows how tightly concentrated enclaves can generate not only local disorder, but militants whose ambitions reach far beyond their communities. Ladies and gentlemen, this gets much more important as I read on and I want you to listen to this about the Somalis in Minnesota, what's taking place, and how the Democrats are attacking Trump, who's actually exposing this cultural issue. And it's not just with Somalis. I'll be right back.

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Let's continue with this incredibly important piece at the Free Press by Ayaan Hersey Ali, scholar and intellectual, an American now came from Somali, was raised in Mogadishu and she wants you to know about the culture there.

The pattern the pattern in Just bear with me here.

The pattern in Sweden is similar in Britain. Somalis cluster in London districts such as Hackney, Islington, Isling, parts of Camden where unemployment, poverty, dropping out of school and youth crime are persistently high. Some young men drift into gangs like the Woolwich Boys, a Somalia link group notorious for drug trafficking, stabbing, string of murders that unsettled southeastern London. Canada looks similar. Toronto's Rexdale, Ottawa's South End, Edmonton's inner city neighborhoods display the same markings.

Concentrated settlements, gang recruitment cycles, retaliatory violence. This pattern reflects a dark cultural logic that I saw and lived firsthand. I grew up in Somali clan based society.

[Mark Levin]

The loyalty to kin was absolute.

Loyalty to the nation was theoretical at best. When Somalis migrated to Kenya as I did, the same pattern played out.

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The Sajui.

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Somalis who had integrated into Kenyan life over decades clashed with newcomers who treated the state as something to be manipulated. Fraud and theft became predictable expressions of an underlying worldview. The Sajui saw themselves as part of Kenya. The newcomers saw Kenya as a resource.

Banfield would recognize all of this insanity.

Amoral familism in other words, amoral family culture is a cultural blueprint. It assumes that resources are scarce, the world is dangerous, and survival depends on extracting maximum benefit for one's own family.

Nation building makes no sense from that perspective. If a road is built, the question is not how will this help the community? But which family will control access to it if foreign aid arrives. The question is not how to distribute it fairly, but which family will claim control over it. The mindset explains why Somalia collapsed. It explains the dysfunction of Afghanistan, Haiti and parts of north and West Africa. It explains why Minnesota now faces problems it can't make sense of, let alone solve. What Minnesota, Sweden and Britain and Canada all have done repeatedly is confused compassion with abdication.

They assume that if they offer refugees safety, housing, welfare and job opportunities, they will integrate into modern civic life. But in societies ruled by multiculturalism, integration never comes. Newcomers revert to the only social model they trust, the family, the clan, the inner circle. The state becomes a distant entity to be milked repeatedly and without hesitation.

How many times have I said here.

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On this program, on Fox and elsewhere.

That the Islamist belief system and culture is incompatible.

With constitutional Americanism?

Now, there are Muslims who've gone through.

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This.

Reformation thinking process and so forth, like our dear friend Zudi Jasser and so forth.

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I'm not talking about him.

I'm not talking about him.

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And there's literally Muslim countries that are modern, moderate Muslim countries.

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Indonesia is an example.

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I'm not talking about that. You know damn well what I'm talking about.

Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and more. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the mothership, Muslim Brotherhood. She goes on.

Clustering preserves trauma, carries forward all rules, and recreates the dynamics that spurred people to leave in the first place. But it also fuels the logic of retribution, the law of violence, and the conditions in which extremist ideas take root. The good people of Minnesota should be alarmed. Trump, for all his bluntness, grasps the central problem. The left does not.

The moderate right refuses to. Like Cox, the governor of Utah.

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Yep.

Very, very important.

[Mark Levin]

When Somali crime spikes, we're told not to blame the community. These are individual acts. But when Trump says something provocative, these same leaders claim he endangers the community. You heard that from Shapiro when I played his. His clip. So which is it? The goalpost shifts depending on who needs political protection. See your point? When crimes are committed, it's the individual.

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Even though the community.

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The crimes are increasing. Don't blame the community, but they defend the community. Governor Tim Walls, who rushed to denounce Trump, insists that the Somali culture bears no responsibility for the violence tearing through the state. Yet he is quick to criticize the culture of police officers during the riots that followed the killing of George Floyd in 2020. The solution to the chaos isn't mysterious. It's what worked for the Sajui in Kenya. It's what worked for Italians, Irish, Jews and countless others who came to America before the age of multiculturalism. Full assimilation. Full assimilation. No clustering, no parallel societies. And you see the efforts also by Islamists to create Sharia communities, which, apparently supported by the neo fascist right, to help Somalis and to help Minnesota. We must insist on a civic identity that supersedes clan identity. Those who refuse should not remain in the country. A nation cannot survive as an archipelago of imported codes. Trump's bluntness may offend delicate sensibilities, but at least he's honest. His crass comments shock. But they also expose the deeper flaw in America's immigration philosophy. If Minnesota wants a future that resembles Minnesota, it must make a choice. It must make a choice. Assimilation or fracture. Cultural cohesion or cultural evasion. A functional society or a patchwork of rival loyalties. And this matters because Somalia is a nation where rape is not simply common, but often treated as routine, where femicide killing women still occurs, and where accountability is weak. If newcomers don't undergo a full cultural and moral reboot that is true assimilation, then they will carry those assumptions into the societies that receive them. The stakes are higher than most leaders are willing to admit, but the path forward is clear. The question is whether anyone in Minnesota's leadership is brave enough to take it. And the fact is that Josh Shapiro, Governor of Pennsylvania, that Cox, the Rhino Republican governor of Utah, are not brave enough.

Simply not.

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And few politicians are, other than Donald Trump.

That is the truth. Here is Spencer cox in Utah. Cunt12. Go look.

[Spencer Cox (continued)]

I disagree with Congresswoman Omar. I think she should be voted out of office. And I think I can do that without attacking her religion or her race or her ethnic background. I think that that's. That's really important. I know that the President disagrees with me. He and I have had these conversations, I have to say, during the Charlie Kirk shooting, in the conversations we had, he talked to me about nonviolence and trying to be a voice for that. I understand he's not interested in uniting the country, and he would tell you that. I think if you were sitting here with us tonight, you see what a.

[Mark Levin]

Weasel this guy is, uniting the country around what.

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He has no comprehension, and he doesn't want to have any comprehension. He's a political weasel.

About what Ayaan Hirsi Ali has spelled out in the Somalian community.

And what's amazing to me is when you look at the Islamists and this is a word that they. That they use to characterize themselves.

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So, Ma'.

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Am. And Islamists and wet saddle. I said it's a word they use to characterize themselves.

The Islamists.

Have no intention of assimilating to anybody else's culture.

Their intention is to secrete themselves in other cultures and destroy those cultures. And this is why a Spencer Cox is wholly unfit to be anything more than he is. This is why Josh Shapiro should never be President of the United States, ever. It's not about bigotry or racism in this respect. And if you want to use different language, that's perfectly fine. But the nub of the matter is there are Certain cultures that people grow up in, and they bring those cultures with them, and they have no, no intention of shaking them off. None. It's the Palestinians in Gaza. It's the Palestinians in. In other parts of Israel. They have no intention. They raise their children to want to kill, slaughter.

That's what they do. We have imams in this country right now, whether they be in Texas, whether they be in California, whether they be in Michigan, whether they be in New Jersey or wherever they are who are preaching the overthrow of the United States.

Who are preaching killing.

I've posted a lot of this. You can go to memory.org M E M R I.org this is just the tip of the iceberg.

A dear friend of mine, Mort Klein, is the president of zoa.

He is the child of Holocaust survivors. He's a dear friend. He's a very, very decent and kind person.

He was testifying today, I believe, in front of the House Judiciary Committee.

But he came in from Philadelphia to Union Station. He was with another friend of ours, Adam Turner. He's a big boy, big guy.

[Mark Levin]

And.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

There'S sort of a permanent protest taking place at our Union Station. This is the nation's train station.

Trashing Jews, trashing the usual.

[Mark Levin]

And he decided to have a debate.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

With one of them. And Mort's not that big.

And this guy got in his face and called him a kike.

For Jews. That's like the N word.

Right in his face. In the United States of America, they have these bullhorns.

They were using bullhorns. They told me, right into the faces of National Guardsmen who are standing there right in their faces, claiming First Amendment rights. You don't have a First Amendment right to do that. You know what that is?

[Mark Levin]

That's assault.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

It's not battery, but it's assault. You don't actually have to touch somebody. Look it up yourself in any legal dictionary. You don't actually have to touch somebody to assault them. Did you know that, Mr. Producer?

[Mark Levin]

And if they have the fear of.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Being battered, that is also in many localities and states, considered assault.

This is the United States of America. This has only been going on the last few years. We've reached the point now that there are so many people in this country who've been imported into this country by the Democrats, who hate it, who will not assimilate. On top of that, decades of indoctrination and brainwashing with the Marxist ideology.

[Mark Levin]

And here you have the fusion I've been talking about.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Not everybody talking.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, you got the Marxists and you Got the Islamists, you know, when I was talking about this, nobody would touch it.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

They were scared to death, just like when I took on Mr. Jew Hater, Tucker Carlson. Nobody wanted to touch.

[Mark Levin]

What are we going to do about him?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

And do anything about him?

[Mark Levin]

Confront him?

Now everybody's a tough guy. The more the merrier, that's my view.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

The more people of goodwill out there, the better.

But the problem with the Somalian community.

In Minneapolis is a cultural problem. And it's not going to go away and it's not going to be fixed. Especially when you have people like Walls, Shapiro, Cox, Klobuchar, Fry, the whole political establishment, whole political establishment, both parties who want you to believe.

That this is a problem with individuals, except when they don't want you to believe it's a problem with individuals, that it's a problem with the community.

This is a problem with a community.

Where each individual reinforces.

The cultural attitudes and beliefs that they learned and were raised on in Somalia. And they're here.

And they're not going to reject them or from parts of the Middle east, and they're not going to reject them.

They're going to use them. There is simply no allegiance whatsoever to America, to America's culture. None. Zero.

I'll be right back.

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[Mark Levin]

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Here of a piece in Breitbart, Minnesota.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Nearly every Somali household with children is on welfare.

Again, not because they're lazy.

But because they want to take advantage of the system for their personal needs and their family needs. The hell with the taxpayer, the hell with the government, the hell with the whole country.

[Mark Levin]

That's her point. More than eight in 10 households headed.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

By Somali refugees in the state of Minnesota are on one or more forms of American taxpayer funded welfare, new data published by the center for Immigration Studies reveals. That's a great group, cis.

[Mark Levin]

Now remember, you're not supposed to be.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

In this country unless you are self sufficient, unless you can demonstrate that you can provide for yourself.

The Data, based on 10 years of data from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey, shows drastic disparities between native born American households and Somali born households in Minnesota where nearly 80,000 residents have Somali ancestry compared to zero who had Somali ancestry in 1990.

[Mark Levin]

Zero.

In particular, data shows 81% of Minnesota households headed by Somali refugees are on.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

One or more forms of welfare, including.

[Mark Levin]

27% who are on a cash welfare, 54% food stamps, 73% Medicaid.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

It's also a reason why the expenses are going through the roof.

I'm going to complete this article too later when we come back after the top of the hour. And I've got another one too, just, just to underscore the point. These are very serious matters, America, and.

[Mark Levin]

We need to be able to discuss.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Them regardless of what these politically correct nincompoops have to say.

[Mark Levin]

There's a reason why certain communities do certain things. There's a reason why the Somali community.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

In Minneapolis, 80,000 strong, are doing what they're doing.

[Mark Levin]

It's not perchance, it's not by accident. It's not because of racism or bigotry. It's because of their culture. More when I return.

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[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

He's here.

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[Mark Levin]

Hello America, Mark Levin Here, our number, 877-38-1838.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Anyway, let's get back to this issue.

Just to recap, nearly every Somali household with children is on welfare in Minnesota. That's the culture, that's the community.

More than eight in 10 households headed by Somali refugees in the state of Minnesota on one or more forms of American taxpayer funded welfare, new data published by the center for Immigration Studies reveals. CIS.

It's based on 10 years of data from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey shows drastic disparities between native born American households and Somali born households in Minnesota where nearly 80,000 residents have Somali ancestry compared to zero who had Somali ancestry in 1990. Got that?

[Mark Levin]

In particular, the data shows that 81% of Minnesota households headed by Somali refugees.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

On one or more forms of welfare, including 27% who are on a cash welfare, 54% who are on food stamps, 73% are on Medicaid. You wonder why your expenses are going up. Compare this massive welfare use to native born Americans residing In Minnesota, only 21% of whom are on one or more forms of welfare, including just 6% who are on cash welfare, 7% who own food stamps and 18% who are on Medicaid.

[Mark Levin]

So we're not supposed to be importing.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

People into the country who are using up our welfare system?

No. Period.

[Mark Levin]

For example, 89% of Somali headed households.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

With children in Minnesota.

With children are.

[Mark Levin]

On one or more forms of welfare.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

That's 90%.

[Mark Levin]

86% are on Medicaid. About 62% of Somali households with children.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

In the state on food stamps, 23% take cash welfare.

[Mark Levin]

Nearly every Somali household with children receives some form of welfare.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

CIS researcher Jason Richwine writes.

[Mark Levin]

Again, the gap between Somali households with children on welfare and native born American.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Households with children on welfare in Minnesota is very wide.

[Mark Levin]

3 in 10 native Minnesota households with.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Children take one or more forms of welfare. 6% on cash welfare, 10% on food stamps, 28% on Medicaid.

[Mark Levin]

Disparities between native born Americans and Somali.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Refugees in Minnesota go deeper than welfare use. The data shows Somali refugees who are.

[Mark Levin]

In or near poverty in Minnesota surpasses 66% while fewer than 2 in 1 native born Minnesotans live in near poverty.

While just 0.7% of native born Americans in Minnesota speak English.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Less than very well speak English less than very well.

[Mark Levin]

Almost 60% of Somali refugees say they do not speak English very well, killing nearly half who have lived in Minnesota for more than eight for more than 10 years.

So they're not really part of the country.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

They take from the country.

[Mark Levin]

Their own community, their own families within.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Community speak their own language. No interest in assimilation, no interest in.

[Mark Levin]

The nation whatsoever except what they can take. That's what's here.

That's what the Free Press article is all about.

I'll probably come under attack just for reporting this.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I don't care.

Somali refugees in Minnesota also tend to be vastly less educated than their Minnesotan counterparts.

[Mark Levin]

So we're bringing Somali, literally the country.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Of Somalia, into the United States.

[Mark Levin]

With.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

No hope of assimilation?

[Mark Levin]

None.

While only 5% of native born Americans in Minnesota do not have high school.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Diplomas, almost 40% of Somali refugees do.

[Mark Levin]

Not, including more than 28% who have lived in Minnesota for more than 10 years.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Disaster, absolute, unmitigated disaster.

But the Democrats don't care. Spencer Cox, the Rhinos, they don't care.

[Mark Levin]

They refuse to call it out for what it is. Refused to call it out for what it is.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

What it is, is a disaster.

And it's actually happening.

But the media, of course, look, the media lie. That's the bottom line.

That's what they do. And they've done it enough to us that we should know this by now, right?

Yeah.

So they'll talk about, we don't like.

[Mark Levin]

The way Trump talks and we don't like this and we don't like that. If he spoke proper English or if he spoke with a British accent and.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Used hundred dollar words.

And his etiquette was beyond reproach, they'd still trash him.

It wouldn't matter. They'd still attack him.

It's not really the way he says things that bother the, bothers him. It's the fact that he speaks the truth about things that nobody wants to talk about. I mean, I've been talking about it.

[Mark Levin]

But you know what I mean, people.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

In politics and so forth, they don't want to talk about it, so they'll just dismiss, you know, that's racist, you know, that's a bigot. You know, all people aren't the same. You know, I just gave you statistics that CIS used from the Census Bureau over the course of the last 10 years. They don't lie.

[Mark Levin]

I just read you an article by.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

A brilliant woman who's an American who grew up in Somalia, Mogadishu, and she's telling us, telling us how the family structure works, how the culture works and why the community in Minnesota is the way it is. Nobody wants to hear it. Nobody wants to hear it. I've been telling you.

That Islamism and Americanism, Islamism and Americanism cannot possibly coexist.

They can't.

And I'm attacked as attacking Muslims. I'm not attacking Muslims, not attacking Muslims in Indonesia. I'm not attacking Muslims who, who are reformers.

[Mark Levin]

I'm attacking Islamists. Islamists.

And they deserve to be challenged and.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Questioned and called out.

[Mark Levin]

They absolutely deserve it.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Erica Kirk did An interview today and.

She said she's had enough of these, these, these evil.

Suggestions and allegations.

About her husband.

Including about his assassination. All these conspiracy theories.

And it is greatly upsetting to her.

She calls them evil conspiracies about her husband's death.

And she was on Fox explaining it. Yes, on Outnumbered. It's a great show, by the way.

And by God, without, within hours.

Truly an enormously evil and diabolical person. Kit Tarleton.

[Mark Levin]

You see that Mr. Producer.

He wants to have a chat. He puts out, he puts out a video basically countering her.

On Charlie Kirk's assassination.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

And he praises Owens. He says, look, I'm not taking sides on this. What does that mean, taking sides? But he.

[Mark Levin]

Celebrates Owens and some of.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

The other.

More.

Contemptible, unconscionable morons.

[Mark Levin]

And so he just put it out.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

And I posted to it so you could see. He wants you to see it. That's not why I'm posting it. I want you to see what we're dealing with here.

A truly, I think, unhinged individual who needs a tremendous amount of help.

I really believe that's just one man's opinion. He's a complete psycho, a lunatic.

And I really believe.

That his friends should, should suggest that he get the help that he clearly needs, in my view.

And then there's Erica Kirk. I posted what she said on Fox today.

Rejects evil conspiracies about her husband.

[Mark Levin]

And she should.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

She's had enough of it.

[Mark Levin]

And she's got to be talking about.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Candace Owens and some of the others. And there, and there's right on her.

[Mark Levin]

Heels, there's Katarlson, fresh back from Qatar.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Buying a home there, I guess.

[Mark Levin]

Fresh back from a few weeks ago, trashing.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Jews in Israel and lauding the Hitler apologists, taking questions and that sort of thing.

[Mark Levin]

Just when you think this guy has.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Hit the lowest point any person can hit, there he is.

Whether he's trashing Jews or Christians, trashing our country, promoting Sharia law.

Whether he is wet kissing Putin, the Prime Minister of Qatar, the prime Minister of Iran.

[Mark Levin]

Would you do this, folks?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Would you? Would you seriously?

[Mark Levin]

Is that your view?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Soft peddling Hitler in the Third Reich, Trashing Churchill and Britain's.

Really remarkable battle against the Third Reich while we were.

Isolationists holding back until we were attacked at Pearl harbor.

He's a 911 conspiracy theorist. He's a Pearl harbor conspiracy theorist.

I just think the guy is.

[Mark Levin]

I.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Think he's a nut. I'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Our friend, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan on the program.

[Mark Levin]

Jim, how are you, buddy?

[Jim Jordan]

I'm doing fine. God bless you. God bless you.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You too, brother. You had a hearing and you're, you're looking at pushing this anti Semitism awareness act. And I also want to talk about Jack Smith with you also.

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I heard Marjorie Taylor Greene say, I'm sick of voting on these things. And yet anti Semitism is really, I mean, it is out there in full bore. Is that one of the reasons you're bringing this up?

[Jim Jordan]

Well, it's, it's anti Semitism and it's anti Israel, which is, you know, many, many ways, one and the same for these, for these folks who embrace this stuff. But they, they missed this, this, they missed this special bond that exists between, you know, first, it's the Judeo Christian ethic. It's, it's our faith and it's, you know, the, the story of America and the story of the modern state of Israel is like, they're just so similar. And it's like I do not get, I do not get how people take the position that they take against the state of Israel, against Jewish people. I just, I do not understand it one bit. And we've, we've had the privilege, Polly and I, of traveling to Israel six different occasions. We were there in February. AIPAC asked us to Lead a group of we took 10 members and their spouse. Amazing trip. Everyone is and I always talk about the miracle that is the state of Israel. I mean what happened in 48 and then 67, 73, what happened on October 7th. And this amazing people in this amazing country. And by the way, our best friends. Our best friends.

What they've accomplished, I just do not get it. And I'm very nervous as I know you are and God bless you for speaking out, but I'm very nervous about this very small, but I think, you know, and maybe growing a smidge on the conservative side, people who take this anti Israel position, I just, I do not understand.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

One of the things I don't understand, Jim Jordan, is it's clear the history of the United States and the United States itself wouldn't even exist but for the Judeo Christian belief system. That's the basis of the Declaration of Independence and of course the Enlightenment. And so.

When you're attacking that foundation.

[Mark Levin]

You'Re attacking your own country and you're going to destroy your own country.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

No.

[Jim Jordan]

And the rule of law, it's all, it all starts with what God gave Moses. And then you read the Old Testament, you read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, number two, rhyme all the where they lay out the law. And that's where we get, you know, the law that that is, that's in Western culture. It is like that's all there. And people who don't realize that I again, I'm just flabbergasted by people who take, take the position that they take. But you know, so many things come from that there's a reason Moses is in the House of Representatives. That is there. It's like this is, that's where. That's where. And I know as the great lawyer you are, you, you appreciate that, that fundamental fact as well. So yeah, I, again, it's frustrating to me, but we just got to, we just got to make sure that, that Republicans, frankly, who win these primaries around the country are conservative Republicans who understand what we're talking about here, who wonders who get this Judeo Christian special bond that exists making sure we're putting the right guys in those in those seats and we'll be all right. But it's got to speak the truth just like you do every night. And God bless you. Again, as I said, God bless you for doing that. And this issue. But a host of others as well.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

No, you're very kind, very kind. Let me ask you this. Conversely, you can see the spread of Islamism in Sharia. You see it in Texas. Governor Abbott was on this program. He says, I'm fighting the tooth. And now we have communities that are actually trying to institute Sharia law and apartheid just by having only Muslims live in their community. And this is what's going on throughout France and now throughout Britain and Europe and so forth. Are you concerned about this?

[Jim Jordan]

Yes, because it's not like we didn't see it coming. I mean, you know, first it's certain countries in the Middle east, then it's, then it's Europe. And you see it, you know, all across, unfortunately, across so many places in Western Europe. And now we're seeing it in, in the United States. And so, yeah, we have to be concerned about that. It's, it's, it's not supposed to be. There's, you know, two different set of rules. For goodness sake. It's supposed to be one standard, one set of rules, equal treatment under the law, whatever. Sharia law, really. I don't, you know, what it all is, but it's, it's not supposed to work that way. So, yeah, I'm concerned.

[Mark Levin]

Do you agree with President Trump?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

This is, look.

People weren't vetted.

[Mark Levin]

They're in this country.

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

We've got a Somalian community in Minnesota, 80,000 people. 90% of them are on some form of welfare.

He says there's a whole different mindset.

[Mark Levin]

They.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

And then he points to the others came in in Afghanistan, the atrocious, you know, disaster there that took place under Biden, and he said they weren't either. He said, as a matter of fact.

[Mark Levin]

We got to go back and look at 19 countries or more where they're really, their cultures are not really compatible with ours. Just to make sure the people who come in are going to show allegiance to our country. That's the way it used to be. You either going to show allegiance to the United States or you don't get to come in.

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah, that's the way. That's the way it used to be. And of course, part of this, or maybe the main reason for this, this dynamic we're seeing, is when you let 10 million people come in the country, like Joe Biden did, when you say, we're not going to have a border, we're not going to vet people like we're supposed to. And then you have that debacle that was called the exit from Afghanistan, and then you don't truly vet those individuals who come here, bad things happen. I mean, this was a centerpiece and central issue in the 24 presidential election. And thank goodness President Trump won and we've secured the border. But yeah, that's what happens when you embrace craziness. I never forget when Sarah Huckabee Sanders gave the response to one of Joe Biden's State of the Union address. And in response she said the divide in America today is normal versus crazy. And you can go down all the positions that the left now has embraced on the crazy side. And of course it's crazy to defund the police. It's crazy not to have a border. It's crazy to say men should compete against women in sports. It's crazy to let Sharia law happen in your country. But those are all positions the left, the left takes and that, that is, that is why, yeah, we gotta, we gotta have the thank goodness for President Trump and the policies he's brought brought into play now.

[Mark Levin]

Jim Jordan, we're gonna hold you after the break.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

We're gonna discuss Jack Smith, some of the things you uncovered when you did your hearing and more. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

We're here with Jim Jordan, a world class congressman. But before I get to that, Jim Jordan, you're also a world class athlete, wrestler.

[Mark Levin]

Did you ever tear like a tendon?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I'm asking this for A reason?

[Jim Jordan]

No, I mean, I mean on my knee, you know, you straighten the ligament on the. And. But it's sore for a while, but you're back at it. Never really had many major. A little cauliflower ear on my right ear, but nothing too bad. What would you get hurt? Did you injure yourself working out?

[Mark Levin]

You know, a little over a year.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Ago, I tore my 100% tendon on my right. Between my right knee and my thigh. A quad?

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah.

[Mark Levin]

Oh, yeah, 100%.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

And the former surgeon for the Redskins, great guy, you know, he stitched it back together. He said he sees a couple of months of that, but not. And I'm no football player. You may have figured that out. So anyway, damn, the PT and everything. Still limp. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's a.

[Mark Levin]

Lot of work to try and get, get back into regular shape, isn't it?

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.

Certainly is. And of course, as we, as I get a little older, it's, it's even more work to get back into that.

[Mark Levin]

How do you mentally prepare yourself? Like, like you had to be willing.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

To go in there and smell the.

[Mark Levin]

Sweat of other guys in a closed.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Room, which is kind of a turn.

[Mark Levin]

Off, but you know what I mean? You had a fight. Do. How do you, how do you mentally prepare for this stuff?

[Jim Jordan]

Well, well, I like working out. I work out probably. I mean, I definitely average five a week, maybe a lot of week, six and seven times a week. But back when I was, back when I was training, it was, you know, you're focused on the goal, you're focused on getting ready to compete. And so you gotta, you gotta be ready to go. And I always, my attitude was hard work doesn't guarantee success, but it sure improves your chances. So you got to train, you got to lift, wrestle, run if you're going to be able to compete in, you know, at the highway, at least for me in college, at the Big Ten, in NCAA level. So that's, that's how I focused on it. But I like working out. I like to sweat. I like, I just like that.

[Mark Levin]

My wife does too.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

She's a marathon runner.

[Jim Jordan]

No, I know. She runs like crazy. We've talked, we've talked her in my way. Her and Polly have talked about running and. Because Polly was pretty good track and field athlete back in high school and, but yeah, they've talked about that too.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

So she runs more than I drive. It's unbelievable. And, and they come back and they're very in there and they're they feel great. And I'm going, oh my God. But anyway, let's get back.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, Jack Smith. Now this guy acts like he wants to testify in public because he knows.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

That the Democrats run interference and so forth and so on. Sure.

[Mark Levin]

You think you'll be able to get.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Him in closed doors under oath and really question him about his conduct with.

[Mark Levin]

Yes, that is happening.

[Jim Jordan]

That is happening Next, next Wednesday, 10 o', clock, closed door deposition under oath. That is happening. We've already deposed three of his deputies. We actually referred one of them to the DOJ for, for prosecution, criminal referral because he was, he was totally trying to obstruct our investigation. A gentleman named Thomas Windham. But we've deposed Brat, we've deposed Couney and we're going to, we're going to look at some other people who work for him. But Mr. Smith himself is coming in next week. You know that in a closed door deposition it's a different format. You get an hour for the Republican side, then you get an hour for Democrat, then back and forth and you can go all day long. And an hour of questioning with our top lawyers on our staff is different than five minutes in a committee hearing. So we're going here for now. That doesn't preclude. We may in fact bring him in in a public setting, but we want to do this first. And there's a number of lines of questioning that we have. I don't typically talk in public about it. I'll just mention one, I will mention one that he, after Kevin McCarthy becomes Speaker of the House, January of 23, Jack Smith team subpoenas AT&T for Speaker McCarthy's phone records from three years earlier. So they wait until he becomes the top Republican in our government and go get his phone records from November election day in 2020 until January 7, 2021. Understand what they get, Mark? They get the toll record. So they get who you called, who called you when the call took place, how long the call lasted. And if you initiated the call, they know where you were at when you did so. And they have, they can pattern your life for two months. And to add insult to injury, they wait till he's speaker. They go get those phone records from three years earlier. And then they tell, they go to the judge and say AT and T Judge, sign this. We don't want ATT telling the highest Republican the government, the speaker of the House of Representatives. Do not tell him that. Jack Smith's got his phone logs. So that's a line of question. I Think we got it, we gotta look. And it wasn't just him because they did it to me for two and a half years doing so. The top, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee and the top Republican in the government, they go get their phone logs for longer than anybody else. And they did this to countless number of Americans and a bunch of members of the United States Congress.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

It's unbelievable. And he should answer for that. I know there a number of them, especially the senators, they hit a lot of senators. They're furious about what he did and I'm furious about the cockiness of a guy like this. And by the way, Jim Jordan, what.

[Mark Levin]

Exactly was the potential crime he was looking into? There wasn't any. What's the crime?

[Jim Jordan]

It's politics. They tried to say there was this grand conspiracy led by the President of the United States. It was come. And here's the other thing. Think about this part. You're one of the sharpest legal minds ever. So think about what they said on the subpoena for my phone record. They say to Verizon and the judge, they said, the judge. Well, the reason we need you to sign this gag order, this non disclosure order. The reason we need that is because Jim Jordan might be a flight risk. He might tamper with evidence. I'm like, I'm, I fly back home to Ohio, I'm not a flight like this is, this is the kind of stuff that you're like, what are they talking about?

[Mark Levin]

Are you, are you going to be able to get his phone records and stuff to see if he was coordinating.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

With anyone at the White House or somebody like that?

[Jim Jordan]

Oh, there's a number of lines of question we have along there, but we were getting records from, we're getting records from doj, FBI, the National Archives, the Inspector General, the United States Postal Service. We've requested information, in some cases subpoenaed information from banks because he went to banks to get records on Republicans, not just members of Congress, just American citizens who are Republicans. So we're doing all that, bringing that information in all anticipation of this deposition that takes place next Wednesday.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You know I have to get the louder milk back because I told you they got 13 of my private emails which were benign, absolutely benign, happy to make them public and on my decision, how the hell did they get these damn things? And I want to know because I'm going to sue.

[Jim Jordan]

Well, I assume they got it from. I don't know who you emailed those 13, but they probably got it from them.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I don't think so.

[Jim Jordan]

Be my guess. It may be okay.

[Mark Levin]

No, you might be right.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You might be right. Yeah, I just. I would just like to know.

[Jim Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Mark Levin]

I mean, and I remember, I remember the lawyer, one of the lawyer come.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

The lawyer comes to me, says they have 13 of your email, said, okay, what the hell are they shows me. He said they may call you to test. I said on my best day, I'll kick their ass. That's perfectly fine by me because do anything. So let's do it. Yeah, they never called me.

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah, so? So I know they had, they had. They got one of my text messages, but they didn't get from my phone. They got it to when I text our friend and former former White House Chief of staff Mark Meadows. And they put it up and they altered it that we made a big deal of this and they had to apologize. This was the January 6th committee, this wasn't Jack Smith, but the January 6th committee got one of those, put it, used it in a hearing. Altered what I altered the text and said they attributed to me when it wasn't. I just forwarded the text to Mark that I got from, from a lawyer here in town who worked, but worked on a big law firm work at Patton Bog. So I mean that's how political January 6th operation was. And in my judgment, how political Jack Smith's operation was.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

All right, my friend, thank you for everything you do. You're fantastic. We really appreciate you.

[Jim Jordan]

Well, thanks for all your good work.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Great Christmas. You too. God bless. Bye. Bye. See the best or is he the best? He's a good man. What do you want me to do, Rich? Oh.

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[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Cleveland Casco is a washed up former senator from Missouri. And she looks washed up, may I say that? I think I did.

[Mark Levin]

She's on the Morning Schmo show.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

She's sitting in the big chair, you know, and by the way, I mean the big chair.

And she thinks Hegseth.

Should be charged. These people are sick. Cut nine, go.

[Mark Levin]

And I gotta tell you, I want to indict hexes. I want to indict Trump for this, what they're doing here. But really the military leaders, the ones he had in the first term, would.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

Not have done this.

[Mark Levin]

They would. Where is Kane, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Why isn't he? The military deserves better than this. They're being put in a terrible. You know, you're a buffoon.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You're a buffoon. You hate the military. You're smearing the military. You're undermining the military while you pretend to support it. And that's what you do on the left, particularly you washed up buffoons.

She pretends she supports the military. The Democrats don't support the military in D.C. they don't fund the military. They don't treat them with respect any more than they do cops.

Indict him for what? I went through this, I think it was last weekend on Fox. I've gone through it here over the microphone on radio. There's no constitutional violation. None. There's no legal violation. None. Period. None.

Where's Cain? Kane's carrying out his lawful constitutional orders. That's where Cain is. You feel sorry for the military.

[Mark Levin]

I felt sorry for the military when Biden and your ilk were in charge.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Forcing them to do things that were unnatural to them. And they were right. And so we had a disastrous problem in A volunteer military.

[Mark Levin]

We couldn't recruit people. Now we're recruiting people left and right.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

It did the same thing with the Border Patrol, the same thing with ice. And she dares to say these things.

[Mark Levin]

Then you got Mark Kelly on CNN yesterday. This moron doesn't know when to shut the hell up.

Cut 10, go.

[Michael Whatley]

You know, I imagine Anderson, they've studied it enough already. I can't imagine a scenario where Pete Hegseth and other members of the Department of Defense haven't looked at this video in detail. And by the way, they released all the other videos, right? Every boat strike, every opportunity.

[Mark Levin]

They try to get these strikes on.

[Michael Whatley]

TV for the American public to see.

[Mark Levin]

And as soon as, as there's something.

[Michael Whatley]

That'S questionable, you know, possibly questionable, orders and decision making, then they want to keep that.

[Mark Levin]

It is amazing to hear these Democrats.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Talk about what should be released when under the Biden regime he didn't hold press conferences. The Democrats were covering up.

[Mark Levin]

In fact, the Democrats were abusing and.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Misusing phony evidence in the January 6th Commission.

[Mark Levin]

And I can go on and on and on.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

These people are evil.

[Mark Levin]

Evil. Diabolical. The Power Hour is next.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin]

Hello America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 877-381-3811, 8773-813-811.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You know we really do have an addition to a significant percentage of the imperial ruling class.

That is in love with monarchies and dictatorships.

And yet, when it comes to us or highly incompetent.

Some really weirdos.

I mean, I'm quite serious about this, you guys. This Jasmine Crockett.

She'S going to run for the Senate of Texas. Why? Well, she wants to be a senator. That's not what I mean. What has she done, Mr. Producer, sir? What has she done? Nothing. She's been a performer at committee hearings, on tv, on speeches. She knows how to curse. She's really good at cursing.

[Mark Levin]

She's good at race baiting.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

But what the hell has she ever done? You know, politics is the only business where you actually don't have to do anything, or you can be a complete failure and.

[Mark Levin]

Still move up the chain.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

She wants to be a senator, even though she's done nothing, literally.

And.

[Mark Levin]

She'S a critic of Donald Trump.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

She's worse than that, actually.

So they put together over Breitbart, 15 of the dumbest things she has said.

I'm sure the list could go on and on and on. It couldn't have been easy.

She said, groceries are unaffordable because President Trump's immigration policies.

[Mark Levin]

She said, one thing I can tell.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You is that if you sit down and you say, are you okay with your grocery prices? Are you okay with the fact that housing prices are going up? And you start to connect how important it is for us to have immigrants that are contributing to our country in this way, the people may start to shift. I just went over the Somalians. I can go over others, too. So that's just stupid.

Just stupid.

[Mark Levin]

She claimed the vast majority of violent crime comes from white supremacists.

White supremacists.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

She said this on CNN when she.

[Mark Levin]

Was complaining about the Trump administration moving.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

To eliminate diversity, equity, and inclusion policies from the federal government.

[Mark Levin]

She said, he needs to go. I mean, this is very simple. We right now have a white supremacist that is sitting in the White House. He's backed up by other white supremacists. And if you really want to know who the criminals are in this country.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You can Google it.

[Mark Levin]

You don't have to trust me. But the people that commit 80% of the most violent crimes in this country are white supremacists.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

What a nut. What a nut. Crockett made sure everyone was prepared for what she described as the state of disunion.

She once said she was not even sure if there will be elections in four years. She's not the only one to say that. She called Trump an enemy of the United States. She said Trump has his supporters in a cult.

She referred to Trump as the Grim Reaper and also said his policies are dealing death.

She accused Trump of using Hitler's playbook.

Well, he doesn't. He's the greatest supporter of Israel to ever serve in the Oval Office since Israel was founded.

Now, of course, somebody hearing that, you know, on the neo fascist right, they go, really?

[Mark Levin]

That's pretty cool.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Crockett said Charlie Kirk, who was publicly murdered, targeted minorities. It's loathsome. It's a lie.

She mocked Christian lawmakers who want to reform the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, food stamps.

[Mark Levin]

Saying they are set on taking.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Food from the hungry. Now, we know the corruption in that is massive, not just in Minnesota.

She accused the GOP of pursuing a demonic agenda. That demon stuff, that's Tucker. That's not us.

She accused Trump of throwing people in the concentration camps. Actually, FDR did that with the Japanese Americans.

She pushed for illegal immigration by stating the black Americans are done picking cotton.

She's going to run for the Senate and the media will love her. Media will push her. She will lose. I predict that right now. But all that said, we really have loosened our standards. We're going to have a great candidate on in about 10 minutes. Michael Watley, who's running in North Carolina for the Senate there. He'd be a fantastic senator. He's a very, very good man.

Then we have kbj.

Katanji, Brown Jackson. Excuse me.

This is a piece, an editorial from the New York Post, and a good one.

Amazing. Justice Jackson thinks nonpartisan experts, quote, unquote, should be controlling key parts of the federal government while the president and other, quote, people who don't know anything sit on the sidelines letting PhDs make the most important decisions. This has always been the desire of the Woodrow Wilson types, the Marxists. Honestly, I wrote about it extensively in two books. This is their attitude. The world should be run by experts. And of course, the experts can't really run the world. There are no experts on running the world. There are no experts running our country or any industry. Because the enormous amount of decision making and independent thought processes that go into making products, selling products, using products and so forth and so on can't be known by a handful of people.

She made these shocking elitist remarks this week earlier in a case about the president's authority to fire officers of independent agents.

First of all, the notion that there should be independent agencies. We have three branches of government Independent from what? The government from the, from the three branches. Now that clearly is unconstitutional, but they.

[Mark Levin]

Do it all the time.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

The courts are all right with it for the most part. Independent agencies, independent from the people we elect.

[Mark Levin]

That's not acceptable.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

That's not constitutional.

The President controls the executive branch and.

[Mark Levin]

Certainly at the highest levels he has.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

To decide who to hire and who to fire.

[Mark Levin]

You know, when you really think about it, what the Democrats have tried to do to Donald Trump, they talk about.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Him being.

You know, out of control, grabbing too much power. What they have done to him is they have brought suits and many of their judges have ruled that he doesn't.

[Mark Levin]

Have the power to hire, he doesn't have the power to fire.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

He doesn't have the power to reduce the bureaucracy.

[Mark Levin]

He doesn't have the power to spend.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

More on certain parts of the bureaucracy or remake the bureaucracy.

[Mark Levin]

He doesn't have the power over computers, he doesn't have power over data. His all in the executive branch of which he is the head.

He doesn't have the power to move DEI out and replace it with Americanism.

In other words, the President doesn't have any of these powers. Of course he has all those powers and more. But this is how they, they spew this. So she's there. Experts should be able to make decisions.

Experts. First of all, they're not experts.

And secondly, that's not our system. We elect people to the House every two years, to the Senate every six years. We elect presidents through an electoral college process.

They're supposed to follow the Constitution which limits their authority. And you don't bring in experts. And who are the experts? There are always people that go left from academia. This is the game the left plays.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

This is the game this justice is playing.

[Mark Levin]

They have these phony so called independent.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Commissions and so forth and then they.

[Mark Levin]

Put leftists on them and then they make decisions that always benefit whom? The Democrats, always. And.

Just like judges are supposed to be independent from politics.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

That's why at the federal level they get lifetime appointments.

[Mark Levin]

They're political as hell.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I'll be right back.

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[Mark Levin]

Got a great Senate candidate, North Carolina. You're familiar with Michael Whatley.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

He ran the RNC with Lara Trump. And fantastic victory we had last election.

[Mark Levin]

Michael Whatley, how are you, my friend?

[Michael Whatley]

I am doing very well. It is great to be on with you, sir.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

It's our honor.

[Mark Levin]

So first of all, people want to help you. And we'll put this out.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Mr. Producer, where do they go?

[Michael Whatley]

Michael whatley.com michaelwatley.com and they can follow me on X@Whatley NC.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

All right. You're running against a radical left wing kook, aren't you?

[Michael Whatley]

We really are. You know, and this is a guy who has spent 38 years in office, the last eight years as the governor. He was auditioning for vice president and taking positions that are radically left of mainstream North Carolina. And we need to make sure that we let the voters of North Carolina know he's just not an awash guy from, you know, rural eastern North Carolina. He is a card carrying member of the Woke Mobile.

[Mark Levin]

Now remind everybody, what is it that you did before you got involved in.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

The RNC and so forth?

[Michael Whatley]

Well, for five years prior to that, I was the state chair down in North Carolina, the Republican Party chair. So and I was, I ran President Trump's campaign in North Carolina in 2016. I was the state party in 2020. And we were the only battleground state that President Trump carried in 2020, which is one of the main reasons that he wanted me to step up and take over the RNC in 2024.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

And your family tell us about that.

[Michael Whatley]

So absolutely married to an absolutely beautiful woman, Suzanne. We have three fantastic kids, twin boys that are right now seniors, one at NC State, one at Clemson, and daughter who's at the University of North Carolina. So I am extremely fortunate that I've got a rock solid family and that they are fully into this campaign and supportive of what we're trying to do. You know, honestly, it's because we're trying to fight for every family in North Carolina. We're trying to fight for every community in North Carolina. And that's just something that you've got to be grounded with. You know, I grew up in a tiny little town in North Carolina called Blowing Rock. 534 people. You know, we have one stoplight in the Hardee's. You know, I went to church and I played sports and I worked. You know, my first full time job I had when I was 14. I had a newspaper route at 11. I paid my way through college, I paid my way through graduate school and law school at Notre Dame. And this is, you know, a family oriented campaign where we need to keep our kids in our community safe. We need to make sure that every family has an opportunity to go out there and get married, buy a house and raise their kids and let them grow up in a safe community and have a chance to do better than the previous generation.

[Mark Levin]

Are you able to get your message out?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I mean, typically what these guys do is they raise all this dark money from these billionaires and then kind of whack the Republican.

[Michael Whatley]

Well, they're certainly going to do that, right. This is going to be the most expensive Senate race in the history of the country. We're expecting somewhere between 600 and $800 million are going to be spent in North Carolina. And so we need to go out there and raise as much money as we can to get our message out. Roy Cooper won both of his governor's races by doing exactly what you just said, raising an absolute ton of dark money. Absolutely an avalanche upon his opponents. And they're going to try and do that as well. And so the only chance that we have really is to have much better policies, which we do, and to be able to get those messages out. You know, you mentioned how much money they're able to put on the table. You know, Kamala Harris outspent us last year on the President's campaign two to one. But Donald Trump won because he was talking about, you know, rebuilding our economy and restoring our borders and making sure America was respected again around the world. The Democrats were talking about open borders, inflationary spending, weak woke America policies. That's exactly what Roy Cooper is running on this time.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

He seems to do one of two things as I follow this guy's career. He's, he's either he takes both sides of an issue. In other words, he mealy mouse an issue or he's to the left. But he tries to present himself as kind of a moderate, but he's considered quite liberal. Is that pretty much what this guy does?

[Michael Whatley]

Yes, that's exactly what he does. You know, this is a guy who tries to pass himself off as an awash shucks guy from rural North Carolina. But the fact is, on every major issue, he has been absolutely far to the left. You know, this is a guy who vetoed multiple bills to keep boys out of girls, sports men out of women's locker rooms, and woke out of our schools. He vetoed multiple bills to tell sheriffs that they have to honor ICE detainers and get violent criminal illegal aliens out of North Carolina. He signed an executive order to reimagine law enforcement in North Carolina and created cashless bail and pretrial release and created a revolving door that has allowed these violent criminals to be arrested and released over and over and over again. You know, everybody has seen this horrific murder of Irena Zarozka on the light rail system down in Charlotte. You know, the guy who had killed her had been arrested and released 14 different times. He should have never been on the streets. He should not have been on that light rail car. You know, when the Democratic Party of North Carolina passed a anti Israel resolution accusing Israel of genocide, my opponent was silent. You know, so, I mean, on every 80, 20 issue that you can think of, he is on the wrong side of it. And yet he always tries to portray himself as a moderate, like you said.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Yeah. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this would be a tremendously good pickup in North Carolina.

I know Tillis is stepping down. And how would you portray yourself? A conservative, a constitutional conservative, maga, all those things.

[Michael Whatley]

Look, I am, at the end of the day, a North Carolina conservative. You know, I think that we need economic policies that are going to create jobs, raise wages and lower prices. We need to make sure that we have tax policies and trade policies and regulatory policies that are going to help manufacturers, small businesses, and farmers succeed in the world where we're living in right now. And we need to keep our kids in our community safe, which means that we've got to have, you know, law enforcement, we've got to have their backs. We've got to make sure that we're getting violent, criminal illegal aliens out of North Carolina and that we have a safe place in schools for our kids and a safe place in sports for our girls. Lastly, I do think that the president's focus on making sure America is respected again around the world is particularly important. North Carolina, we have more men and women in uniform and veterans than any other state in the country. And so when we talk about, you know, the men and women who are going to protect our interests and allies around the world. Very important for us to make sure that they have the support that they need. So, you know, we're going to come at this race the same way that I have counseled candidates for years, which is to listen to the voters and understand the issues that they care about and put solutions on the table.

[Mark Levin]

He's weak on crime.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Let's just lay some of this out. He's been a disaster when it comes to responding things like hurricanes. He's radical left on most of these cultural issues, even though he tries to cover up most of it. And you are, you're a patriot. You'd be a fantastic senator. I want to strongly endorse you. I know you can win that race. It's Michael Watley.com michaelwatley.com We want to.

[Mark Levin]

Have you back, Michael. God bless, brother.

[Jim Jordan]

Yes, sir.

[Michael Whatley]

We're glad to do it.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

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[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

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[Mark Levin]

Well, I get a similar vibe of.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

This kind of rot starting to be creeping in again. Bad loans, risky banks, mountains of debt nobody wants to talk about.

[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin]

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Welcome back, America. I want to look something up here. I saw it the other day. Let's have a silent prayer. No, we're not gonna do that. You don't have dead air on. Let's see. Let me just type this in because I.

Hold on.

So here it is.

So here's the question, Mr. Producer.

What Christmas songs were written by Jews?

I saw this the other day and I failed to make a copy.

White Christmas was Written.

By a Jew Rudolph the red nosed reindeer.

Was written by a Jewish.

Chestnuts roasting on the open fire.

Mel Torme Written by a Jew Winter wonderland.

Written by a Jew Let it snow, Let it snow, Let it snow.

Written by a Jew Santa Claus is coming to town.

Written by a Jew Rudolph the red nosed reindeer Rocking around the Christmas tree A holly jolly Christmas.

Written by Jews White Christmas was written by Irving Berlin A Jew Sleigh ride.

Written by a Jew it's the most wonderful time of the year.

Written by a Jewish. What do you think of that, Mr. Producer?

Wonder what the anti Semites think about that.

I just thought it was interesting. There's no, there's no moral story in this. I'm just saying that's pretty interesting.

At least I think it is.

All right, let's go here. Let's go to some calls.

[Mark Levin]

Let's go to.

Morley, Missouri, Bill, on the Mark Levin app. How are you, Bill?

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

I'm doing fine, Mark. How you doing tonight, sir?

[Mark Levin]

I am doing great.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Boy, that former senator from your state, what's her name? What was her name? Mr. Producer, you know what it was, I'd only want. Oh my God, she the worst.

[Jim Jordan]

Yes.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

We were glad to see her go, sir.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Amen. We all were.

[J]

We have.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

How are you?

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

We have Josh Hawley and Eric Schmidt now then they're doing a great stand up job for us.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Yeah, they really are. Yep.

[Mark Levin]

All right, what do you got?

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

Well, Mark, I just want to make one point with you. Appreciate Mr. Jordan being on earlier. My point is I'm feeling surrounded here in southeast Missouri.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Mm.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

A lot of the liberal politicians are now running as Republicans to. Just to get elected.

[Mark Levin]

Just.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

Sir, you look at our state house, look at our state senators.

[Michael Whatley]

It is just.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

Absolutely. I was, I was at a city council meeting about eight, nine months ago, just there to observe. And the mayor of the. My hometown, of which I've lived my whole life, 63 years, said, you can't record this meeting.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Public. Why not?

[Jim Jordan]

What are you talking about?

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

He said you can't do it against the law. And the city attorney was present and he basically told the mayor he didn't know what he was talking about.

You don't know what you're talking about. He can record this public meeting. But here's, here's my, here's my point. The chief of police of my town, Morley, was in attendance at that meeting and did absolutely nothing. Mayor kind of got out of line a little bit verbally and now see.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Elected or is he worked for the mayor. The mayor Appoint him?

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

Oh, no. He works for the mayor, sir.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Yeah. Believe me.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

Yes, sir. And he later, a few months later, ran for sheriff of our county here in Scott county in Missouri. Ran for sheriff and got beat. You know what got him?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

You know what got him?

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

People didn't. People didn't believe him. They didn't trust him anymore because he.

Lets the council, the mayor, everybody's entitled. There's no enforcement in this city of Morley.

[Jim Jordan]

None.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

They don't stop speeding.

[Mark Levin]

How many people are in Morley again?

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

About 500, sir.

And absolutely lawless. Out of control liberalism.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

But let me ask you about in.

[Mark Levin]

Morley, for crying out loud.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Let me ask you a question. Do you have, like, a Main street with. With a diner, that sort of thing? Like. Like a lot of little towns.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

There's a. There's a new cafe here, City hall there. We have a course, a Dollar General Store, things like that.

And I'm just. We're just about. I'm about 20 miles south, Rush Limbaugh's hometown, which is.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

I met rush about 30, 40 years ago. In person.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

And when he was home in Cape Girard with his parents. And he was a fine man. I'm sorry that he's gone.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Me, too.

[Caller from Morley, Missouri]

He spoke up for what needed to be spoke up for.

[Michael Whatley]

And.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Well, you're a sweetheart. I appreciate you, man. And Morley, Missouri's, you know, it's good to have a man like you keeping an eye on things. You take care of yourself.

I have to think about Rush. You know, David Limbaugh and I are buddies. He, along with my wife, are my lawyers, and they do a fantastic job. He is a.

Brilliant guy, David, and he is a very faithful Christian. And he's very upset about what's taking place in this country with the attacks on Christians and the attacks on Jews. And he's with us, you and me, Mr. And Mrs. America. I can assure you Rush Limbaugh would be, too. Rush Limbaugh was actually close friends with Benjamin Netanyahu, and he loved the country of Israel, and he'd been there, and he talked about it often, actually, on his program.

So.

Russia's views are not unknown. They are quite well known. And he was also a very early supporter of President Trump, as many of you know. And I was very blessed to be among his best friends. And in many ways, I viewed him as a brother. And we spent a lot of time together. When he could hear on the phone late at night, he would go to bed around midnight. One in the morning, I go to bed about one or two in the morning.

I'd seek advice from him from time to time. He'd seek advice from me from time to time.

I just want you folks to know I haven't changed at all. I haven't changed at all. Now things swirl around you even in your own life. They change. They swirl around me. They change. I have not. And my principles have always been my principles and I'm not going to abandon them. Certainly.

The kind of. It's not even debate the kind of things that are said by these neo fascists and people like them, as well as the Marxist Islamists are appalling. Absolutely un American.

And you know, I served as Russia's lawyer from time to time and it was a great honor to do so. There's so many great memories I have. One of these days I'll spend some time going down memory lane with you folks.

But David Limbo's just same thing. He's like a brother. Fantastic. And he would do anything to help out Rush. And he did. And that's the man who came from a tiny little town in Missouri. And I'm on that radio station in that town where he was on that radio station. It's an amazing thing, isn't it? And he. I remember once when he turned his show over to me because he wasn't going to be around. I said, I don't know what to do. He said, you'll figure it out. You'll be just fine. It's the way he was. And I've told you before, and he told you too, he failed seven times before. Before he made it seven times. And folks out there, and there are many who get very down, some quite depressed and upset. Just keep that in mind.

Most people, the vast majority of people, fail and fail many times before they're successful.

And success is in the eyes of the beholder. If you're happy and you have a good family and you can put food on the table and not worry that much, you're successful.

You really are. I'll be right back.

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[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

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Let's go to Derek, West Monroe, Louisiana, the great kmlb.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

How are you, sir?

[J]

I'm doing fine. The great one, Mr. Mark Levin. How you doing this evening?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Thank you, buddy. I'm doing well. Who's your congressman there? Do you know that?

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah.

[J]

Well, we have Bill Cassidy and John Kennedy, but we have Blake Niguez Robert running, which he will have my vote.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I'm kind of.

[J]

I don't like. I mean, I remember how Cassidy treated Trump and was kind of in bed with the pharmaceutical company. And you would think it would be his forte or cup of tea being a doctor. But he was going against, you know, Kennedy also in the health administration.

[Mark Levin]

I find him to be an odd.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Dude, to be honest with you. That's just me, Bill Cassidy.

[Jim Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I find Kennedy to be really, really smart. You know, he gives you that home down country look, but he is sharp as a whip. Boy, I'll tell you. Right, right.

[J]

His tools are sharp and he gives a facade. Maybe not so much, but then he. He comes out of left field with his knowledge.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Mm.

[Mark Levin]

Anyway, I interrupted you.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Go right ahead.

[J]

Yes, sir. When you were speaking to Congressman Jim, Jordan piqued my interest with the emails. And I thought about something I had learned about. I think in around 2000, they had a system called Pegasus that I believe the FBI bought from another government.

It was the NSO Group. I think they bought it.

[Jim Jordan]

It's like a spyware.

[J]

And there's another one called Cell Bright. And what those can do is, to my understanding, if somebody like a FISA judge signs the order, say it's a. They're reviewing somebody, if they call their dentist, this software can actually track their dentist that they called. And then I think it's up to like 10 people. That's in the dentist's Orbit, which is really weird. But I mean, it's. It's a. Yeah, it's a. It's a spy software, I guess, but.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I just don't think there's much privacy anymore, at least in terms of communication. The technology is so cutting edge, you can really penetrate almost any defense.

At least when it comes to technological issues using technology, I think it's pretty tough.

Yes, sir.

[Mark Levin]

Doesn't mean I like it.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

It just is what it is, you know?

[Jim Jordan]

Right.

[J]

I mean, it will. It's. What do you want to give up? It's like a check and balance. Do you want safety or do you want to have overbearing infiltrate?

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, you're a very sharp guy. I always like that.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

What do you do.

[J]

In the alarm industry?

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

Mm. So we.

[Jim Jordan]

Security, home security.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

We're doing a whole bunch of that stuff right now because of all the threats and everything else. We got massive security we're putting in here. Could have used you, you know.

[J]

Yes, sir. Well, I actually just recently heard about what. When you brought up the gold and you know.

I guess securing your future. And gold has been around, you know, thousands of years through different rises and falls of empires. So I mean, it's a good.

[Mark Levin]

I just talk about diversification.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

You know, you don't want to put everything in one thing or another, but have a little bit of that on, on the side. That's. I just do it every now and then.

To cost average it and I put it away and I don't even think about it. And I always get the Canadian coins because to me it's not only gold as an investment, but the time ever comes, you can actually use that as currency. So I prefer that to say little gold bars and that sort of thing. So I get the gold coins.

[Mark Levin]

Listen, Derek, you're really a great guy.

[Mark Levin (continued commentary or co-host)]

I really appreciate you, man. Have a great Christmas and you take care of yourself.

I like to get to know the callers every now and then. You know, we've had great call, just a couple. What do we have? Two or three, maybe four, whatever. But they're great. Bill and Derek, I think. And.

You know, when I get people on here that want to fight and so forth and so on, I deal with it my own way. I've dealt with it for many, many decades.

But on the other hand, when we get good, red blooded, patriotic Americans, it's fun to have a conversation. It really is.

[Mark Levin]

I was going to say, I was going to play a clip from Mike Johnson.

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We don't have time at a press conference today. I'M a huge fan of this guy. As I was Kevin McCarthy too. Two really top notch guys.

[Mark Levin]

We salute our armed forces, police officers, firefighters, emergency personnel, our truckers, the men.

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And women in Ukraine, the men and.

[Mark Levin]

Women in Israel, and you, the American people. Red blooded Yanks. Thank God for you. Let's do this again tomorrow, same place, same time. Have a good night.