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12/18/25 - Staggering Scale of Fraud: Minnesota's Medicaid Crisis Explained

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Fri Dec 19 2025

Summary

Mark Levin Podcast: "Staggering Scale of Fraud: Minnesota’s Medicaid Crisis Explained"

Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Mark Levin
Podcast Network: Cumulus Podcast Network

Overview

In this episode, Mark Levin delivers a scathing analysis of the massive Medicaid fraud unfolding in Minnesota, reportedly involving billions in taxpayer dollars. Levin dissects official findings and indictments related to this "industrial scale" fraud, discusses its impact on vulnerable Minnesotans, and draws connections to wider failures in government oversight and immigration policy. The episode broadens to include commentary on U.S. and European struggles with Islamist extremism, the cultural and political climate, and features a substantive discussion with conservative commentator Josh Hammer on anti-Semitism, media disinformation, and the state of conservative discourse.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Minnesota Medicaid Fraud Exposed

Staggering Numbers: Over half of the $18 billion paid out by Minnesota-run Medicaid programs since 2018 may be fraudulent ([01:00]).
- "About half or more of the roughly $18 billion in claims paid out by Medicaid to Minnesota run programs may have been fraudulent, and at least 14 programs were likely exploited, a federal prosecutor said today." – Mark Levin ([01:00])
Industrial-Scale Fraud: The fraud's magnitude is likened to a coordinated industry, not a few bad actors.
- "It's staggering industrial scale fraud." – First Assistant U.S. Attorney Joe Thompson (paraphrased by Levin, [01:00])
Mechanisms of Fraud:
- Formation of shell companies providing no actual services, simply siphoning funds.
- Use of funds for luxury travel, vehicles, and international destinations including London, Istanbul, and Dubai.
- Instances of “fraud tourism”—out-of-state actors registering in Minnesota to exploit the system.
Community & Political Response:
- A significant proportion of those indicted are of Somali descent—a fact Levin highlights amid noting the lack of public condemnation from Democratic politicians, especially in Minnesota.
- "I'm still waiting to hear from the Democrats. Still waiting to hear from Ilyan Omar. Still waiting to hear. But we won't. No, no, no. These are constituents. These are voters..." – Mark Levin ([08:27])

2. Fraud’s Consequences for Vulnerable Populations

Loss of Services: Fraud has jeopardized critical supports intended for autistic children, the hungry, and disabled individuals in Minnesota.
"All this money is stolen and that means not only are taxpayers ripped off, but people for whom the money was intended. Don’t see it. Like autistic kids, like people who are hungry." – Mark Levin ([02:52])

3. National Political Climate & Economic Outlook

Midterms, Trump, and the Economy:
- Optimism that Republican economic policies – especially tax cuts and deregulation – will yield growth similar to the Reagan years.
- Analysis of polling showing Democrats with historically low approval, even among their own base ([11:31]).
- "Democrats in the minds of the American public are lower than the Dead Sea." – Kate Baldwin (CNN, quoted by Levin, [11:31])
Inflation Trends:
- Harvard professor Ken Rogoff discusses better-than-expected inflation numbers and the potential for recovery ([13:14]).
- "Inflation’s been very high. It stayed high. It has not been coming down. But... it was well below 3%. ...investors will think that interest rates will get cut more." – Ken Rogoff ([13:14])
Healthcare as Political Football:
- Levin critiques government-run healthcare programs and links systemic fraud to overarching Democratic policies.

4. Islamist Extremism and Terror Networks in the West

Spread of Islamist Terrorism in Europe and the U.S. ([20:09]–[34:56]):
- Extensive reading from Gatestone Institute on how terrorist networks exploit NGOs, campus activism, and diaspora communities in Europe and the U.S.
- Highlights Hamas and other Islamist groups' operational cells, indoctrination in educational settings (funded by countries like Qatar), and money laundering operations.
- Parallels drawn between the lack of governmental vigilance in Europe and similar vulnerabilities in the U.S.
- "World War three — the Islamist war against the west, first battle with Israel, battles breaking open in Europe, Battles will break open in the United States. I mark my words." – Mark Levin ([30:35])

5. Brown University/MIT Shootings: Ongoing Updates

Breaking Coverage ([35:04]–[40:01], [58:22]–[84:14]):
- Levin provides ongoing updates on law enforcement activity surrounding an arrest warrant for a suspect potentially involved in shootings at Brown University and the murder of an MIT nuclear expert.
- The podcast includes speculation about possible connections to anti-Semitic motives and larger security implications.

6. Conservative Media, Anti-Semitism, and Internal Critique

Josh Hammer Interview ([86:35]–[106:43]):
- On Conservative Podcasting: Hammer decries rising extremism and "podcast pornography" on the right—content playing to bigotry, conspiracy, and revisionist history.
  - "A lot of folks in our space... don't seem to actually be on the right in any meaningful sense...one of the things they share with the left is...they just hopscotch from one thing to the other." – Josh Hammer ([89:56])
- Anti-Semitism and Israel: Deep concern about a new mainstreaming of anti-Semitism among both far-left and certain self-proclaimed right-wing influencers, emphasizing how this threatens the Jewish-Christian alliance foundational to Western civilization.
- Charlie Kirk: Hammer recounts his friendship with Kirk, pushing back against claims Kirk was anti-Semitic or anti-Israel in his final months.
  - "No one who's abandoning the Jews or Israel would have me and Rabbi Pesach Wolicki be one of his final conversations." – Josh Hammer ([99:34])
- Turning Point USA, Ben Shapiro, and 'Team Sanity': Hammer and Levin celebrate public pushback from mainstream conservatives against fringe voices.
- Notable Quotable:
  - "It's almost like podcast pornography, isn't it? And it gets worse and worse and worse..." – Mark Levin ([89:34])
  - "Team Sanity is starting to punch back, and it’s starting to punch back with fervor." – Josh Hammer ([103:02])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Medicaid Fraud:
- "Minnesota has become a magnet for fraud. So much so that we have developed a fraud tourism industry. People coming to our state purely to exploit and defraud its programs. It’s deeply unsettling reality that all Minnesotans should understand.” – Mark Levin, paraphrasing US Attorney ([06:28])
On Political Silence:
- “I'm still waiting to hear from the Democrats. Still waiting to hear from Ilhan Omar. Still waiting to hear. But we won’t. No, no, no. These are constituents. These are voters, Mr. Producer. Why would we hear from them?” – Mark Levin ([08:27])
On Internal Right-Wing Feuds:
- "You know, intellectual pornography, it’s not even intellectual, is not something that I think we want our kids listening to and our kids’ kids listening to ... it pollutes their minds and so forth, rots their minds." – Mark Levin ([59:39])
On Western Civilization’s Jewish-Christian Foundations:
- "We use this [group chat] to kind of hash out on a daily basis how to heal these wounds...who are trying to drive a stake...through this ecumenical biblical alliance, this Jewish Christian alliance that founded Western civilization and that alone can, can preserve it and save it." – Josh Hammer ([98:58])

TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:59 | Introduction of Minnesota Medicaid Fraud Story | | 06:00 | Details of Fraud Tourism & Shell Companies | | 10:00 | General Political Climate and Democrats’ Approval Ratings | | 13:14 | Inflation discussion w/ Prof. Ken Rogoff (CNN coverage) | | 20:09 | Islamist extremist threat in Europe & U.S. (Gatestone Institute) | | 35:04 | Breaking coverage: Brown University & MIT shootings | | 58:22 | Ongoing police operation in Salem, NH, linked to MIT/Brown case | | 86:35 | Interview with Josh Hammer – Conservative media, anti-Semitism | | 99:34 | Hammer on Charlie Kirk, Turning Point, and pushback against the fringe | | 104:10 | Discussion: Future of Conservative Movement, combatting extremism |

In Summary

This episode tackles the massive scale and consequences of Medicaid fraud in Minnesota, using it as a lens on deeper failures in government accountability, border security, and cultural assimilation. Mark Levin ties these crises to broader Western vulnerabilities: unchecked Islamist networks, an eroding sense of shared national principle, and a fracturing conservative movement contending with its own radicals. The show’s latter half features a robust dialogue with Josh Hammer, who underscores the perils of anti-Semitism’s mainstreaming and celebrates a new wave of conservative resistance to both leftist and far-right excesses.

For listeners seeking insight into Medicaid fraud, U.S. security threats, and the bitter cultural-political battles defining the right in 2025, this episode is an unvarnished, urgent dispatch from Mark Levin’s ‘underground command post’.

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Transcript

Mark Levin (0:00)

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Mark Levin (0:59)

Sam. Hello America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 877-3813-811877-33811. President wants to change the name of the Kennedy center to the Trump Kennedy Center. The board voted to do that. I object to this. I think it should be called the Trump Reagan center. Don't you, Mr. Producer? No offense. No offense. No offense. This thing with the Somali community and Minnesota is Beyond belief now. U.S. attorney has announced new indictments. Half of more of the $18 billion paid out by Medicaid in Minnesota may be fraudulent, says the US Attorney. You know how hard it must be to steal over $9 billion. I mean, this is sick. About half or more of the roughly 18 billion in claims paid out by Medicaid to Minnesota run programs may have been fraudulent and at least 14 programs were likely exploited, a federal prosecutor said today. In October, state officials announced that a third party will audit 14 Medicaid services deemed to be high risk for fraud in the state, according to Thompson. And that is the US Attorney, I take it? Yeah. First Assistant US Attorney those 14 programs have cost the state $18 billion since 2018. $18 billion. First Assistant US Attorney Joe Thompson said it's unclear just how much that money is fraudulent, but said so far too much on order of half or more. But we'll see half or more of the 18 billion. Thompson said the scale of fraud in Minnesota outpaces that of other states and put services at risk for people who really need them. I'm not seeing a lot of outrage by the Democrats. All this money is stolen and that means not only are taxpayers ripped off, but people for whom the money was intended. Don't see it like autistic kids, like people who are hungry. While prosecutors typically see fraud manifest as providers over billing, Thompson said during a news conference in Minneapolis that companies have been created to provide zero services while pocketing federal funds for international travel Luxury vehicles and lavish lifestyles. The magnitude cannot be overstated, said the first assistant U.S. attorney. What we see in Minnesota is not a handful of bad actors committing crimes. It's staggering industrial scale fraud. Don't you dare criticize the Somali community. Don't you dare. The investigators new findings may bolster President Trump and his claims that Minnesota is a hub of fraudulent money laundering activity. Under Governor Tim Walz, the Democrats vice presidential nominee last year, Trump has capitalized on the fraud. This is them writing CBS to target Somali diaspora in Minnesota, calling them garbage and saying he doesn't want immigrants from the East African country in the US Folks. The president puts it that way, but the truth is that used to be our policy. That is the vetting of people who wanted to come into the country. They have to be from communities, from provinces, from countries where the people are susceptible to assimilation, the people are self sufficient, the people won't go on welfare, and on and on and on. There used to be a long list of requirements, but of course, those have been, for the most part, prior to Trump eliminated, more than 90% of the people charged in the major fraud cases announced before today were of Somali descent, According to the U.S. attorney's office in Minnesota. Yeah, I'd say there's a problem in that community. Five new defendants have been charged in connection with a Minnesota housing services fraud. Thompson said two of them pocketed three quarters of a million dollars instead of helping Medicaid recipients find stable housing. Prosecutors alleged they used the proceeds to travel to international destinations, including London, Istanbul, in Dubai. Ah, Dubai. I wonder if they bought homes near Katarlson. One defendant submitted 1.4 million in fraudulent claims using some of the funds to purchase cryptocurrency. Federal officials say he fled the country after receiving a subpoena. I'm sure he's innocent. Mm. The five charge include two Philadelphia residents figures who've been accused of fraud tourism as they registered as Minnesota providers. Thompson said, adding that for them, the scheme was easy money. For everybody was easy money. You can't just spend over $9 billion. He said Minnesota has become a magnet for fraud. So much so that we have developed a fraud tourism industry. People coming to our state purely to exploit and defraud its programs. It's deeply unsettling reality that all Minnesotans should understand. Now, what we should understand is you have a governor who is a disgusting nobody, a loser of the highest magnitude. You have a community there of 80,000 illegal aliens in some legal Somalians who are robbing the nation blind. And for reasons we've explained in the past, not beyond my experience, but others. That's the nature, apparently, of the culture, and that's why Somalia does not have a functioning society, a functioning government. The two men, Anthony Waddle Jefferson and Lester Brown, recused of siphoning millions from federally funded programs administered by Minnesota officials that were meant to help the disabled and those suffering from addiction. All these people should go to prison for life. For life. They allegedly fleeced the housing program in Minnesota despite living on the other side of the country and having no networking or connections to Minnesota or its communities. So you have travel fraud, you have fraud taking place in Minnesota from people living in other states who don't even set foot in Minnesota. And of course, you have fraud in Minnesota. Now, the eight others charged in September for their alleged roles in the scheme to defraud Minnesota Housing Stability Services Program, prosecutors also named a new defendant. As to who's to blame, the prosecutor said the state has not done a good job of mining these programs. Oh, you think now they haven't done a good job at all? I'm still waiting to hear from the Democrats. Still waiting to hear from Ilyan Omar. Still waiting to hear. But we won't. No, no, no. These are constituents. These are voters, Mr. Producer. Why would we hear from them? I think that's a fair question. I'll be right back.

Mark Levin (13:14)

Hmm. Now, Goldman's A lunatic, of course, but the guy is running against a lunatic times 10. So they're going to become even more extremist, even more radical. Meanwhile, what's going on with inflation? What's going on with inflation? Harvard Professor Ken Rogoff on the Constipated News Network today. Cut four, go. I mean, I was surprised. It was a better number than anyone was expecting. Look, inflation's been very high. It stayed high. It has not been coming down. But, you know, people were expecting it to be above 3%. It was well below 3%. I mean, I think the President will take this as good news. The investors will think that interest rates will get cut more. So, you know, it was, it was a positive news. There's no other way to spin it. No. Thank you, Professor. So inflation is down even more, and there's no other way to spin it. America, the economy is going to get there. You'll see. And then you know what else you're going to see? You're going to see these gutless, quizzling members of Congress, some of whom are obviously Republicans, all of a sudden, be cheerleading Trump again. You'll see the neo fascists, they're not sure what to do. Maybe they'll start cheering Trump again. Marjorie Trader Greene, she will be a footnote to a footnote and a footnote not to history, but in some comic book. This economy is going to pick up. It may go a little bit south, a little bit more south, but then it's going to come north. That's what economic growth does. And Trump has put in place so many measures to promote economic growth in so many parts of the economy, whether it's natural resources like oil and gas and lumber and mining and so forth, food, where he's put in place, again, so many growth policies, even fisheries, commercial fisheries. He's done the same thing. He's pulled the Biden regulations off that business, that industry. He's trying to force other countries that are purposely blockading economically, our farmers through tariffs to accept goods from our farmers, products from our farmers. And he's doing everything a president can possibly do to turn on the economic spigot. And all of this kicks in next year in a more significant way. You're seeing little dribs and drabs of it, actually, more than that. I mean, gasoline prices are down. That's a big deal. It takes time for these things to resonate through a massive economy. And that's what we have, a massive diverse economy. I've seen this throughout my life. But again, he's Going with the Reagan tax cuts. His regulatory cuts are more massive than any president than I can remember. He's ditched this whole climate change BS and he's done a lot of things that are all pro growth oriented. And so he's going to get pro growth. He's going to get it. Let's hope it's in time for the midterms. For sure. Time will tell. Then we have John Berman to Representative Gregory Meeks on CNN today. If the economy is so bad for Trump, why don't voters Trust you more? Cut five, go.

Mark Levin (17:34)

All right, all right, slow down. Notice he can't answer it because just for him to answer, he would have to condemn their policies. They're not fighting for health care. They're fighting for Obamacare, which is a financial disaster, which is a medical disaster, which is unsustainable. Now imagine this. You have a government run health care program that's unsustainable and provides poor service, massive subsidies, and yet your premiums are still going through the roof. Every Democrat in Congress then voted for it. Every Republican in Congress then voted against it. And the Democrat answer is don't reform it, don't change it. Subsidize it and then subsidize it some more. Subsidize a failing government run. This is why you have what's going on in Minnesota, massive fraud with the Somalis and you got massive fraud with the Democrats, period. This is why you have these horrendous, you know, mismanagement of funds and loss of funds. We're coming upon the 250th birthday of the United States and it has me thinking, what will America look like 250 years from now? My friends at the Heritage foundation want to know what you think. What policies should America prioritize? What principles should carry us into the decades ahead as America enters a new golden age. Heritage recognizes that this is the time to take stock and to be intentional about how we shape the future of America. And they can't do it without your input. So please go to heritage.org Levin and let them know what you think is important. Without patriots like you stepping up and speaking up for what you believe in, America as we know it can't survive for another 250 years. Please go to heritage.org Levin heritage.org Levin take the survey on America's future. This survey takes less than 10 minutes to complete, but it is critical for making sure that the America we pass on to future generations is an America we're proud of. Go to heritage.orglevin today. That's heritage.org Levin paid for by the Heritage Foundation. Mark Levin, America's Tyranny Hunter call in now.

Mark Levin (20:09)

The multicultural terrorist Threat Inside Europe the Exported War Nobody Wants to Name by Pierre Rahab, Gatestone Institute International Policy Council is one of the best of all the institutes. It just is. It's fantastic. Really, really good work. Investigative and researchers, investigative and research writing. It's just terrific. And so let's go through some of this. It's important. And by the way, Brown University, if they have a press event, we will go there live. They're looking at a possible link between Brown University and the murder of the MIT nuclear expert. And they're 50 miles apart. So something's going on here that's bigger than was once assumed. I have my own thoughts, but I'm not going to voice them because they're not based on facts. So we'll see. Anyway, back to this. Peaceful protesters certainly exist, he writes, but in many instances the same marchers who cry from the river to the sea also provide cover, logistics and recruitment spaces for operatives who work closely with Hamas or other terrorist organizations. This is a big deal, you know. Why America? Because it's happening here in our country. A report from the University of Indiana shows how a Transnational Network of NGOs, Non governmental organizations and campus groups spread anti Semitic and pro Hamas narratives coordinated across borders and amplified by social media. I want you to remember that 911 was a direct attack on the heart of the United States on the biggest buildings in our biggest city, on the Pentagon. And that other plane was headed for Congress. They think. So this is a big deal. Let's see, let's go on. The message is simple. Israel's colonial Jews are settlers, and violence against them is resistance. And of course, that means we the people in the United States. Europe rallies have repeatedly featured Hamas flags, Praise for the October 7th attackers, and calls to repeat the massacre, all under the label of human rights. Law enforcement sees the problems more clearly than politicians. The same European Union reports that speak delicately of violent extremism in public also describe behind closed doors how online propaganda, diaspora networks and Middle Eastern conflicts interact to create hybrid terrorist ecosystems in Europe. Even so, at the political level, Europe still refuses to name the ideology that is the ideological enemy. An Islamist project that openly seeks the eradication of Israel spills over to advocate eliminating the United States and the West. The one Jewish state is the first to suffer, notes Jerusalem Post reporter Liott Collins. But the nearly 50 million Muslim majority countries in the nominally Christian world are all in the line of fire. European governments rush to recognize a Palestinian state even as Hamas thanks them for rewarding its resistance. This same cognitive dissonance runs through the European Union institutions that condemn terrorism in the abstract while lavishly funding non governmental organizations that glorify its perpetrators. Europe's retreat in denying intangible threats, staring them in the face, unfortunately has extremely tangible results. Studies of Hamas funding stress that social and religious front organizations are integral to the movement's terrorist attacks. They launder money, recruit sympathizers, and create safe spaces where support for terrorism can flourish under humanitarian cover. This is all Qatar. Not by itself, but this is all Qatar does. And so when you have sycophants like Katarlson and people like him, and he's not alone, you got Wall street guys, other businesses, you have athletes and sporting events, you've got entertainers from Hollywood, you have cnn, you've got others, the media. When Germany bans Samadun or a small local front group, non governmental organizations and academics denounce the act as repression of civil society. And here we hear people denounce it as attacking free speech. You When Belgium moves against a man Praising the October 7th massacre, activist networks cry that solidarity is being criminalized. In this narrative, it's always the state, never the terrorist infrastructure that is on trial. The war has been exported from Gaza to Europe has three pillars money, indoctrination and operational cells. All three are embedded in structures that call themselves Palestinian solidarity or human rights organizations. As long as European governments accept this masquerade, the continent will remain both a financial base and potential battlefield for Hamas and its Qatari, Turkish and Iranian sponsors. What would a serious policy look like? No more American or European funding, period, for organizations that celebrate terrorist martyrs and teach children to hate Jews, hate Christians, or any other racial or religious group. When demonstrators chant globalized the Intifada, they're not calling for peace. They're calling for the expansion of a global jihadist war. Terrorism. Finally, Europeans must abandon the illusion that the Palestinian cause, quote unquote, is a harmless Protestant disconnected from terrorism. Hamas itself, backed by Qatar, Turkey and Iran, has explained over and over that Europe is part of their battlefield. The only question is whether European leaders will listen to their own police and intelligence services as Israel's Mossad, or whether they will continue pretending that a war raging against them has no name and does not exist. When Israel's Mossad intelligence agency publicly revealed in November 2025 that it had helped European countries expose a Hamas terrorist infrastructure in the heart of Europe, including weapons caches and plans to hit Jewish and Israeli targets, it simply confirmed that intelligence professionals have warned since October 7, 2023, the war in the Gaza Strip is not local. It has been exported operationally to European soil and, I would add, to American soil. As early as December 2023, German, Dutch and Danish authorities had already arrested Hamas operatives accused of preparing attacks on Jewish institutions in several European countries. Prosecutors describe long standing members of Hamas directed to stockpile weapons in Berlin. Since then, intel and security reports have spoken of a, quote, realistic possibility, unquote, that the Hamas Israel war will embolden networks across Western Europe to move from propaganda to mass casualty attacks. Folks, this is going to happen. It's going to happen here, it's going to happen in the United States. We have laxed immigration for way too long. We have the Democrat Party that gives cover to these operations. We have this Marxist Islamist alliance that really is at the heart now of the Democrat Party. And we also have our outliers, podcasters, influencers who are in the back pocket of Qatar, if not financially, otherwise trashing our own history, trashing the west, trashing the good guys in World War II. That would be us attacking Christians, attacking Jews in this country. Like Katarlson and Hisok, Europol's 2025 terrorism situation and Trend report openly acknowledged the Gaza conflict has reshaped the threat picture in the European Union. The Forward warns that wars beyond Europe's borders, explicitly including Gaza, fuel radicalization, propaganda and operational planning within European states. In parallel, news outlets report that since 2023, European authorities have quietly disrupted several plots linked to Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. Behind these plots lies an entrenched Hamas infrastructure in Europe that long predates 2023. A detailed study from George Washington University describes how Hamas built extensive fundraising and logistical networks in Western countries using charities NGOs, often European funded and business fronts, whose names and legal entities are constantly changed to stay ahead of authorities. And these same countries, the study's authors warned, are the natural incubator for future terrorist operations in the West. In 2024, the foundation for the Defense of Democracy summarized new research by lnet that identified 30 Hamas linked groups and figures active in the UK, Germany, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands. These groups include civil society associations, aid organizations, and lobbying platforms that propagate Hamas narratives while maintaining close personal ties with known extremists. They operate with relative freedom, despite Hamas being officially designated as a terrorist organization by both the EU and individual European countries. You know, ladies and gentlemen, one thing I'm proud of. What we do here is we are our focus like a laser. World War three is already underway. Now, it's not because of Israel, it's not because of Ukraine, it's not because of Trump with Venezuela. World War three, the Islamist war against the west, first battle with Israel, battles breaking open in Europe, Battles will break open in the United States. I mark my words. I know what I'm talking about. They are here. They are plotting. You're in the right place at the right time in American history, and you have been. Germany, to its credit, has gone further to confront this problem than most. Berlin has not only banned Hamas on the international network Samadan, but has also started outlawing local solidarity groups whose activities glorify terrorism, promote anti Semitic agitation. You know, I say over and over again, if you hate Israel, you hate America. If you hate America, you hate Israel. It's for one basic shared values and belief systems. Israel is a Jewish state. America is essentially a Christian country, Judeo Christian belief systems. Even in Germany, however, every ban on one structure appears followed by the birth of another. So this is highly organized and sophisticated. Hamas also invests heavily in indoctrination, particularly among students. Report from the University of Nevada shows how transnational network of NGOs and campus groups spread anti Semitic pro Hamas narratives coordinated across borders, amplified by social media. Excuse me. The message is simple. Israel's colonial Jews are settlers, and violence against them is resistance. They say the same thing about the United States. Same thing. And you can see it on college campuses. In Europe, you see it on college campuses in the United States of America, you see Qatar. Why would Qatar be pouring tens of billions of dollars into our educational system? For this reason. That's why. And I'm waiting for Congress, the Republican Congress, to cut off all foreign money coming into our colleges and universities. But we can't even get a committee of Republicans to vote that the Muslim Brotherhood, the mother, the mothership of the terrorists, should be designated as a terrorist organization for all purposes and in every part of the planet. Ted Cruz and Republicans in the Senate now are trying to fix that and lead the charge. But we'll see how far that goes with their colleagues. Meanwhile, Europe's Jewish communities live under siege. Synagogues require fortress style protection. Jewish schools resemble military bases. Israeli tourists are worn by their own government to avoid displaying any visible sign of Jewish or Israeli identity. The dramatic rise in anti Semitic incidents across Europe and America since October 7th can be directly linked to pro Hamas agitation, even when officials pretend the hatred has nothing to do with imported Middle Eastern conflicts. The war that has been exported from Gaza to Europe has three pillars. Money, indoctrination and operational cells. All three are embedded in structures that call themselves Palestinian solidarity. And that's where we are. Pierre Rayhove, Law degree from Paris. French reporter, documentary filmmaker, author of six novels. He has produced and directed 17 documentaries, many photographed at high risk in Middle Eastern war zones, focusing on terrorism, media bias and the persecution of Christians. His latest documentary, pogroms, highlights the context of ancient Jew hatred within Muslim civilization as the main force behind the October 7th massacre. I hope the world is listening. I hope people are listening. You, Mr. And Mrs. America. I know what I'm doing. I know why I'm using these sources and conveying this information to you. It is here. It is a threat. It's going to hit us and it's going to be horrific. We'll be right back.

Mark Levin (35:04)

Folks, I have a question for you. Do you believe America's best days are still ahead? With the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence coming up in less than a year, my friends at the Heritage foundation are taking stock of the current situation and they need your input. They've launched a survey on America's future to gauge how America's feel right now about where we are as a nation and where we're headed in the next 250 years. You know, for decades, your American values have been under attack. But now where President Trump's administration in office, we have an opportunity to turn the tide and usher in a new golden age for America. But the Heritage foundation needs to hear from you. What policies do patriots like you most care about? What do you believe are the defining principles of America? What legacy do you believe we should pass on to the next Generation? Please visit heritage.orglevin today and share your feedback and help shape the Future of America. That's heritage.org Levin paid for by the Heritage Foundation. Here's the update from ABC News. Law enforcement officials have identified a possible suspect in connection with the mass shooting at Brown University. They've issued a warrant for the individual's arrest. Now, that is not a search warrant. That's a warrant for their arrest. And he got it from a judge. So they're pretty sure. This comes after multiple sources briefed on the investigation told ABC News that the Brown shooting and the murder of an MIT professor in Brookline, Massachusetts, may be linked. Now, look, I don't know how they're linked. I don't know how they may be linked, but the MIT professor who was murdered was Jewish and one of the top nuclear experts, not just in the country, but the world. The room at Brown in which this suspect murdered those two wonderful students and shot nine others. First of all, one of those students, a young lady, was the vice president of the College Republicans. But the professor on campus is well known. She's Jewish, and she's taught a class in Israel as well, and she teaches Middle Eastern policy. Now, I don't know if that's how they're linked or not. I don't know if they're linked or not. But this is the information that ABC News and virtually every other news organization is putting out now that they think they're linked. They were 50 miles apart. We shall see. It's just a matter of time. They're gonna get. They're gonna get their man. We'll be right back. This segment of the podcast is exclusively sponsored by Pure Talk. Pure Talk offers great coverage and can save your family money on your wireless bill every single month. Go to PureTalk.com to find the plan that's right for you. Thank you again for listening, and thank you so much for this sponsorship. Pure Talk.

Mark Levin (40:01)

He'S murdered not that long after, 50 miles away, obviously outside of Boston, in the lobby area of the condominium where he lives. And the family lives in a condominium on the first floor. Now, other information that's sort of squeezing out of this is the police have found the suspect's abandoned car. They know who they're looking for. They have an arrest warrant. Not a search warrant, arrest warrant. That's even more important because they provided enough information to a court that there's probable cause that this man committed these acts, or at least one of them. And the investigation has now spread to New Hampshire. So you have a multi state, statewide in each state investigation taking place. And they're going to get this guy. And there may be more than one, but certainly there's one. They're going to get this guy. Just a matter of time. And apparently they were supposed to have a press conference at 4pm Eastern time, which they canceled because they have an active situation. And as some have pointed out, Paul Morrow at Fox is spectacular, in my opinion, that many of the people who would be present at that press conference are actually operationally in charge of what's taking place. So when things are moving and things are taking place, they obviously need to take care of the operations more than respond to press questions. That's where we are as best as I can tell right now. But I have my thoughts about this. We shall see. When I read something to you like I did in the last hour from Gatestone, about the spread of Hamas, the spread of Islamism, these things that are going on in the Middle east, in Europe, in the United States, I do it for a reason. I do it for a reason. And here's what I also know, and I believe our affiliates and program directors know. I believe Sirius Satellite knows, I believe all of our platforms know you're a smart audience. You want a smart radio program. You don't want podcasting where the F bombs are dropped every other day, where there's gossip, where there's conspiracy nuts, where history's rewritten, where they talk about Hitler in a friendly way and all the rest of it. You don't want to hear any of this. You're sick of it. And I am, too. But I have to call it out. I have to magnify it. So you normal Americans, Mr. And Mrs. America, realize what's going on out there and how some people are trying desperately to corrupt the minds of young people with all kinds of trash. These are your children and grandchildren. That's who they are. It's very important that we address these things because they're taking place under the radar. And again, I'm going to have an announcement next month when I come back to fill you folks in on on some things that I will be doing. I think it's important, sort of an expansion of some of the things that I've been doing. And I think it's very problematic that you have this Islamist Marxist, Marxist Islamist who's now going to be running the city of New York. I think the city of New York, in addition to everything else that's been discussed, is going to be a hotbed for terrorists. And I'm not saying he's affirmatively seeking to create that. I'm telling you, that's what it's going to be. The police won't be able to do some of the things they need to do. Prosecutors there already Soros prosecutors aren't doing what they need to do. The whole vetting process is going to be eliminated of any sort for any programs. And so my fear is you're going to see tremendous increase in a dangerous environment in New York City. You're going to see it for Jews, particularly Orthodox Jews, who wear what they wear and grow their hair as they grow and wear the hats that they grow that they wear. I worry about that. And I think you're going to see more of this, and I think you're going to see more of it nationwide, without question. Now this MIT nuclear researcher was assassinated in his home, reports have said. I haven't seen an official statement from the Israeli government that the Israelis think that Iran may have been behind it or an Iran operative taking out a nuclear expert of the United States. That suggests to me, whether true or not, that this gentleman was very important in our own nuclear program. Again, I'm just reading the tea leaves. It's a theory, just a theory. And Iran is back building up its nuclear program as well as building enormous numbers of ballistic missiles. Mark wanted regime change. Yes, I did. I don't want forever Wars. But I want you to keep in mind Turkey, Qatar are behind much of the terrorism in the world. Iran, which is allied with Qatar, but not Turkey. Qatar is also aligned with Turkey. Qatar is really aligned with all terrorist centers in the world. In fact, Qatar is so bad, Saudi Arabia wants nothing to do with them. What do you think of that, Rich? Pretty amazing. I'll be right back. As a consumer, you can carry the success or failure of businesses in the palm of your hand. Their success can depend on your decision to spend money with them or the competitor. Well, my friends at Pure Talk would like to say thank you from the bottom of their hearts for choosing Pure Talk for your wireless needs. Because of you, they've had a record breaking year because of your generosity. Through their Roundup for charity program, they've been able to donate over half a million dollars to America's Warrior Partnership who stands on the front lines of helping to prevent veteran suicide. Your patronage has allowed Pure Talk to donate a thousand hand sewed Maine in America flags to your fellow veterans. And when you choose Pure Talk as your wireless provider, you help Pure Talk support American jobs right here in our country. Like I said, as a consumer, you have the power to make or break companies. And with the money the big wireless guys throw around on advertising, you're inundated with offers everywhere you look. So from everyone in the Pure Talk family, thank you for your trust and God bless you. Tracking this, There is a large police presence I'm reading online here in Salem, New Hampshire. Just stick with me and let's see. Boston 25. Reporter Bob Ward cited law enforcement sources. The search for the suspect in the Brown University mass shooting and the Brookline murder is centered on Salem, New Hampshire. Officials yet to make a statement, of course. Flight radar map showed at least three helicopters circling over the Woodham Salem area near the Merrimack River. Reports further cited police scanners to add that officers are looking for a Nissan Sentra. The information is not verified. Meanwhile, several news publications reported that investigators are examining the possible connection between last weekend's deadly shooting at Brown and the killing of the MIT professor two days later near Boston. The suspect has been identified according to reports. Stick with me. I'm looking at these up to date on the scene reports. This is what I do. It's very important. Let's see here. See? Just stick with me. All right. That's all they have right now, but there's a lot of activity. They have found the abandoned vehicle of the suspect. A lot of activity in Salem. I read elsewhere that it's activity near a warehouse. So you have the helicopters and you have a very significant police presence in that area. So that's the up to date. And I'm going to keep my eyes on this. And I will update you as, as events warrant. I'm not going to repeat the same thing again and again, but as events warrant, I will inform you about what's taking place here. Let me check one other place that I go to for good information. You know, it's interesting. During the Boston marathon murders, somehow, Mr. Producer, we got. We were listening in on the police scanner, weren't we? And we were doing that publicly because we knew that the killers were not listening in on the police scanner or radio. They were on the run. And we were giving block by block coverage and so forth. We don't have access to that now, of course, but. And we would never do it in a way that would harm the, the, the pursuit. And it didn't harm the pursuit. I feel like we should have gotten a Pulitzer Prize for that, Rich. I mean, that'll never happen again. That'll never happen on radio again. But they left their, their scanner on and it was who. It was guns who tapped into it and would, he would provide me with the, the constant update and I would report it on radio without giving locations, of course. And it was crazy, but it was also very important. Very, very interesting. All right, let me check one other thing here, if I might. This is live radio. This is what we do. That's why it's best to be live and not delayed or anything of the sort, because we know what we're doing here. Hold on one second. Looking here. Incoming. Let's see. No, it's just more reports of significant police activity in Salem, New Hampshire. Well, if you're living in Salem, New Hampshire, you better lock your door, that's for sure. All your doors and your windows. And we're heard in Salem, New Hampshire. We're hurt everywhere. And let me say this to the shooter. You're going to get caught. Not that you're listening to my show, but you're going to get caught. So you might as well surrender and deal with it, because otherwise you might get popped. So they know who they're looking for. They have the car. They're centered in Salem, New Hampshire, right now. Heavy, heavy police presence, including helicopters. And, and I guess they have their SWAT teams there. I'm just guessing. They certainly would. And the, and the reporting is that the murder of the two students, the shooting of nine others at Brown University is linked to the Murder of this nuclear expert from mit. Now, this guy was so big and so good that he had 250 researchers reporting to him. Mr. Producer. 250. He's 47 years old with a wife and a son, I believe. So that's a big deal. And the professor, as I've explained before at Brown, that class, that specific class that was targeted was Jewish, is Jewish, taught classes in Israel. Her class at Brown was Judaic studies, among other things, in the Middle East. And 11 students shot, two murdered. And one is a young lady who was the vice president of the College Republicans, who, according to a classmate, was known for being very conciliatory and trying to work with other students, you know, to try and can't we all get along type situations. That's all we know right now. They do. They did find live rounds in the classroom, so that helped with the DNA. I suspect that was a key thing. There's a lot of things to be learned from this. First of all, these colleges and universities are pathetic. Most of them don't have enough cameras, if any cameras on campus. Well, as you know, just by watching TV shows, police shows, those cameras are essential. They're crucial. And for the safety of the students, you'd think they'd have them. But you have these human rights groups. In the case of Brown, a few months earlier, 34 of them wrote a letter to the president of that university complaining about any of the cameras and so forth. So what happened? Did she remove them? I don't know. But the lunatic left causes a lot of harm, a lot of violence, a lot of death in its various forms and so forth. There was supposed to be a Press conference at 4pm they canceled it for obvious reasons. And now that's what, three and a half hours ago? So they're on this guy, they're going to get this guy or guys, and we will find out if it was some kind of network. Now, if they say it's a lone gunman, see, that doesn't fly anymore, depending on who it is and what they are. Because there are ideologies out there that push a murderous agenda. And maybe one person will do it, or two or three. Lone gunman. We don't see a network. That's the network, the ideology, the pushing of the ideology and the spending of the money. And I've been calling on Congress now. I don't know how long. We need to cut off foreign money coming into our colleges and universities. We need to track foreign money coming into our country. You know, people talk about our money going to other countries. I am actually more worried about foreign money coming into our country to influence our young people to create, you know, terrorist acts, criminal, unlawful acts. That's what I'm worried about, what's happening here in America. But maybe I'm just one of a few in that regard. I'm looking again. I don't, I don't see anything else. I'm telling you, as soon as something happens, something will happen. Maybe not on my watch, but they're going to happen. Also, armed cops swoop in on men heading to Bondi beach over fears they planned violent acts days after the terrorist act there. The enemy is on the move. The enemy's on the move. These jihadi Islamists are the enemy. Not because I say so, because they say so. There's simply no question about that. This. We'll be right back. As a consumer, you can carry the success or failure of businesses in the palm of your hand. Their success can depend on your decision to spend money with them or their competitor. Well, my friends at Pure Talk would like to say thank you from the bottom of their hearts for choosing Pure Talk for your wireless needs. Because of you, they've had a record breaking year because of your generosity. 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Mark Levin (58:22)

All right, here's another update. It's best I've got comes from. Let me give you the Boston 25 news, which is on the spot. They've learned that there is law enforcement activity, of course, that you know. Boston 25 News photojournalists saw FBI agents, Providence Police and members of state police, that's New Hampshire State Police, surrounding a location in Salem, New Hampshire shortly before 7pm they're not going to show the images. It's believed it's some kind of a warehouse. Just looking. They were. Let's See it centered around a vehicle of a similar make and model that was allegedly seen in the area. The MIT professor's murder in Brookline. The police activity is ongoing as they search for the suspected shooter. I suspect, as I read here, maybe, I don't know. But at this point, I suspect they know exactly where this known shooter is because they have an arrest warrant. And I'm just guessing they're trying to get him out of wherever he is. Mr. Producer, wouldn't you. That's probably what's going on. I don't want to speculate, but I'm just. It's just a matter of logic. I. So we will see again. I will stay focused on this and Turning Point usa. I know this is all over fox. Their big annual event the next few days. Opening day is today. Erica Kirk, It's a real class act, giving the opening speech. There'll be a whole mix of people there. Katarlson, I happen to think it's a mistake that he's here, to be perfectly honest with you. It's not a matter of hearing all views. All views aren't worth hearing, particularly if you're user. Neo fascist, neo Nazi. In my view. That's what it. That's what he is. Just my opinion. Qatar is really another issue. And I go on and on and on about this guy, but I'm not going to. You've heard me before. You got Bannon there. Bannon's a crook. He's a confessed crook. I just don't think this is necessarily the best face for young people. And you know, Erica Kirk, she's trying to hold this together. They have these disparate entities and so forth, so I fully understand this. But I think at some point they're going to have to figure out how to. How to broom these people away. I have no problem with legitimate debate and discussion. What's not legitimate is people who lie about facts, people who lie about history, and people who are bigots and racists and Christian haters and Jew haters. That, to me is a problem. And I won't platform people like that. I never have. You have some hosts out there, some guys, particularly the podcast types, who need subscribers and eyes and all the rest of it. That's all they do. And then they pretend they're angry when they bring them on to yell at them. What is it, in other words? Let me put it to you this way. There's too many Jerry Springers out there. And the difference is Jerry Springer at least had some level of a moral code. But these People do not. So they've turned podcasting into worse than Jerry Springer. And you really can't do that in conservative talk radio. People aren't going to put up with it. The audience is very smart. The affiliates don't want anything to do with that. Neither do I as somebody who's done this for a little while. But you know, intellectual pornography, it's not even intellectual, is not something that I think we want our kids listening to and our kids kids listening to and how it pollutes their minds and so forth, rots their minds. And also this stuff, you know, how it's turned on America and so forth. I'm not into that. Kamala Harris is on with Jimmy Kimmel. She's a poor loser and she's a loser, emphasize the word loser. And these attacks on Trump are really, they're just non stop. No matter what he does, whether it's to upgrade the White House and have a ballroom on the east part of the White House, something they desperately need and have needed for decades, and he has the guts to do it and to raise the private funds to do it, or securing the border and trying to deport illegal immigrants, particularly criminals, and would be terrorists. He's attacked for that. He's attacked for trying to push the radical left ideology out of our bureaucracy, out of our schools, out of the private sector, those parts of the private sector that receive federal government money. And I could go on and on and he's attacked for these things. Barack Obama was, you know, he was naming battleships after all kinds of leftists and so forth and carriers. And Donald Trump wants to rename the Kennedy center. And you would have thought the sky is falling. Well, why can't he? Some people say he needs to focus on the big things. Well, you always focus on the big things, but Trump focuses on big and little things. And you know what's interesting, it reminds me of Rudy Giuliani as mayor of New York. He focused on the big things and the little things. The squeegee guys were thrown out of the streets because they were disrupting the quality of life. Those are little guys, little things, Right. So the little things do affect people. So everything that's named shouldn't be of a Democrat or a leftist or something like that. And I have found Trump in so many respects, not in all, but in so many respects to be more conservative than people who claim to be conservative. He's culturally very conservative. Culturally very conservative, in my view. So Kamala Harris is on with Jimmy Kimmel. Cut three, Mr. Producer, go there is nothing normal about what we are experiencing. And I think it's really important for us to remember we cannot normalize this. And frankly, I would just say I don't care that she's a woman. I don't care that she's Indian and African American. None of that. She's an idiot. She's an idiot. I can't even stand listening to her. Let's, let's listen to some of it. Go ahead. We are clear eyed about what is wrong and corrupt and callous and incompetent about this administration. We also must remember when we are talking about that and the people of America deserve better. What does that even mean? The people of America voted for him and not you. That's the truth. We're going to take a little bit of an early break. Mr. Producer. We'll be right back.

Mark Levin (84:14)

I want you to think about something. That bill Passed despite the fact that, what did he have a three majority, four majority members in the House. And he was able to keep them together. Mike Johnson was able to keep them together. Scalise was able to keep them together. It's a major, major event when you accomplish something like that. It's not, it's not something to sneeze at, but they don't care, you know, big deal and so forth and so on. He, he looked physically and they're pulling this stuff and I told you several weeks ago, they were maybe even several months. They're trying to make it look like, you know, he might have early dementia or physically. Did you see his hand? And stuff like that. So they're doing that to him. Things they never would have even dreamt to do to Biden, of course, but they're doing it because they think they're clever. They're not clever, they're sinister. I'll be right back. Israel is at war with Iran, a nation whose leaders have vowed to wipe Israel and even the United States off the map. In a necessary act of self defense, Israel struck Iranian nuclear facilities, military targets and top leadership. Right now, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is on the ground preparing large scale distributions of life saving food, first aid and emergency kits, especially to Israel's most vulnerable people, the sick, the elderly, children and families in great need. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is also making sure that hospitals, emergency rooms and shelters are fully stocked with critical and life saving medical supplies. But the Fellowship needs your most generous gift today to make this work possible. Now is the time, ladies and gentlemen, to stand with Israel's most vulnerable. To rush your gift, call 888-585 IFCJ and donate today. That's 888585 IFCJ or online at levin for the fellowship.org that's L E V I N for the fellowship.org. You know, it's a pleasure to have my friend Josh Hamm. He's got a great podcast, the Josh Hammer Show. Josh, how are you, my friend?

Josh Hammer (87:12)

You know, Mark, I started this show not really knowing what I was doing a few years ago now. And we've built up to a daily video show. And I love it. I absolutely love it. I didn't get it a single minute of media training in my entire life. All of it is kind of just baptism by fire, fly by the seat of my pants. I, I thoroughly enjoy it. You know, we have some radio affiliates for the show as well, and it's just, it's just great fun. And I, I just love speaking my mind, Mark. You know, like you, I'm. I'm a lawyer by training. I, I worked at a big law firm. I, I did private equity transactions. And, you know, when, when I left that world to get into the world that you and I are both currently in, I said to myself, Mark, that if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it for the right reasons. I'm going to do it to call balls and strikes. I'm good. I'm going to do it to speak my darn mind. In other words, I'm not going to pull punches. I'm not going to mince words and let, let the, you know, let, let everything drop where it does from there. And that's, that's what I do day in and day out. And it's just been a lot of fun and God willing, it'll go a lot further from here. Now, as your latter question as to why I find myself, much like you, our mutual friend Ben Shapiro and others, why I find myself now in the, in the crossfire. Look, on the one hand, I think it escalated after Charlie Kirk's assassination in, at least for certain individuals like Candace Owens, because I am, I am a Jew. I wrote a book on the Jews in Western Civilization. I wear a kippa, a yarmulke, and I'm a pretty public identifiable Jew. And for people like Candace Owens, I think it complicated their narrative, Mark, that Charlie had someone like me that he was relying upon for, for advice, as a friend in his inner circle and so forth. But it's really escalated quite a bit in recent months. I've taken a lot of incoming fire, not just from Candace Owens, but most recently even from Megyn Kelly and others. And I have to conclude, Mark, that that means I'm doing a good job. I think it means that I'm. That I'm speaking truth and that a lot of people, frankly, are afraid of the truth because they have other ambitions. There are a lot of folks in our space, in our line of work, Mark, I think who care not about the truth, they care about getting clicks and attention. It's me, me, me. It's what can I do to grab the most headlines and end up on, on the front page of whatever website or whatever there. But that's not what I'm about. That's not what you're about. And that's why I'm proud to call you a friend.

Josh Hammer (89:56)

So I think that part of this is something of a phase. A lot of these folks have very short attention spans and they tend to move on from one phase to the next. In fact, a lot of this, a lot of this garbage on the so called right that we're now seeing, it frankly, is the mirror image of a lot of the left. And you look at a lot of the left's ideological fetishes, the social movements that they've attached themselves to for the past decade or so. Well, first it was the same sex marriage fight. That was the love equals love campaign, all of that that ultimately culminated in the Obergefell case of the Supreme Court. They won that fight in 2015. Then he moved on to the MeToo movement. That was the Women's March, that was the Harvey Weinstein affair. That was ultimately culminating really in the attempt to derail the Brett KAVANAUGH confirmation in September 2018. Then they moved on to the summer of 2020 and it was COVID 19, it was the summer of Black Lives Matter and they went to the whole Black Lives matter phase. Then October 7th happened and it was the Hamas protests and all the Kaffir clad Islamist crazies. So I think that this bizarro world mirror image on the so called rights, and again, I emphasize so called right because these folks, as you know better than anyone, don't seem to actually be on the right in any meaningful sense of the term. And they, one of the things they share with the left is I think they share this fixation where they just hopscotch from one thing to the other. So I think that this particularly noxious obsession that they currently have above all really with the Jews, with the Jewish people, with Israel, with others as well, there's a lot of, a lot of loathsome anti Indian racism out there currently in these circles as well, but above all really does seem to be about the Jews. I, I do think that they will lose it, lose their, their attention span for this sooner rather than later and move on. I couldn't tell you what to, but I think they probably will move on to something else.

Josh Hammer (92:10)

Oh, it's absolutely what I heard. So, first of all, Mark, I'm sorry to miss you, but I was, I believe at the earlier of the two White House Hanukkah party receptions. I was actually also at the vice president's reception the night before. But at the White House on Tuesday afternoon, the president was in rare form and he was in rare form. It was actually quite a different Donald Trump than what the nation saw on the nationally televised address last night. The president last night was what was animated and he was in full kind of political campaign mode. He was really trying to make his point. The president that I saw at the White House wasn't really in campaign mode necessarily. He was really relaxed. He was really just, just happy. A lot of smiling and joking. He got into this one extended dialogue with this 100-year-old Holocaust survivor. It was really kind of cute and unscripted and spontaneous. And he invited some of his Jewish staffers on stage to light the menorah. My, my good longtime friend Will Scharf, the current staff secretary of the White House, was asked to light the menorah. And then Will lights the menorah for, for, I guess it was the, the third night of Hanukkah. And after that, President Trump says, will, you're really Jewish. I didn't know you were that Jewish. And the whole room, the whole room just burst out laughing. I mean, it was a joy, as you say in Hebrew. It was simcha. It was pure unmitigated joy and happiness. And look, the president is an unmitigated friend of the Jewish people of the state of Israel. I'm not sure what else he could possibly do to demonstrate that. But his love of a people that is not his own, the Jewish people, is, is just extraordinary. And I, I think that what he sees in the Jews is What a lot of great men throughout history have seen in the Jews, which is essentially what I wrote in my book Israel and Civilization, which is that he sees the Jews as a bellwether, as that which way the Jews go, that which way civilization goes. And I think Donald Trump intuits that in his bones. He intuits that in his, in, in his kishkas, I guess, as we would say in Yiddish. And, and he acts on it perhaps moreover, as well.

Josh Hammer (97:37)

I did, yeah. So, Mark, I first got to know Charlie when I took over the job of op editor at Newsweek, which is what I was initially hired there to do. And Charlie was one of our conservative columnists. So I got to know him and his executive producer, Andrew Colvid, through his columns and we became friendly. And I've spoken a few of the Turning Point conferences over the past few years or so. And it was really over the final, I would say, oh, I don't know, year and a half ish of his life that we started to get closer. And he eventually started this, this group chat. And you know, humorously, Mark, this group chat has become the source of international conspiracy, let's call it after, after a leak of the chat to, to one Candace Owens. But in any event, he started this chat and, and, and we, there's only probably eight or nine of us in there, a mix of Jews and Christians alike. And we use this chat to kind of hash out on a daily basis how to heal these wounds, these wounds that have broken out when it comes to a lot of the same folks that you and I were just talking about before the break who are trying to drive a stake, try to drive a wedge through this ecumenical biblical alliance, this Jewish Christian alliance that founded Western civilization and that alone can, can preserve it and save it. So we were talking essentially a daily basis about this, about, about how to make sure this coalition, this alliance endures from One generation to the next. And it's true that I spoke with him less than 24 hours before he tragically was killed. We had a zoom call, I believe was at 6pm Eastern time on that Tuesday, September 9th. So literally, by definition, just under 24 hours before he was killed. And it was a call with me, my friend, Rabbi Pesach Waliki, who was a rabbi based in Jerusalem. And there were a couple of Turning Point producers, one Christian pastor, and Charlie. And that was basically the whole zoom call. Charlie organized the call himself, and he did this call because he knew that he was going to begin what was supposed to be a sweeping national campus tour the following day. Of course, the Utah Valley event, which proved fatally and tragically to be his last. That was supposed to be just the first of many events. So he wanted to do this zoom call to essentially hash out what was the best possible messaging to defend the Jewish people, to defend Israel, to defend US's relations, to defend Jewish Christian relations. He wanted to discuss all of this before he engaged on this campus tour. So that's one of the reasons, Mark, why I've been pushing back as hard as I have on all the frauds and grifters and charlatans and hacks and Islamist sympathizers and Molly coddlers, all these folks who have been trying to say, oh, Charlie, Kirk was abandoning Israel. Oh, Charlie, Kirk was abandoned Jews. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't. No one who's abandoning the Jews or Israel would have. Me and Rabbi Pesach Wolicki are proof to be one of his final conversations. It makes no sense. It makes no sense whatsoever. And by the way, his. His widow, Erica, just confirmed that yet again in her interview with Barry Weiss of CBS News over the past weekend, where Erica says very clearly, and there's no hesitation whatsoever, she said that Charlie said over and over again that Jew hate is brain rot and don't let your brain rot. And apparently Erica was very involved in making sure that this current Turning Point conference is that just started today on Phoenix, Arizona. Apparently, she was involved in making sure that there was a nice Shabbat dinner for all the Jewish attendees there. So it's all garbage. It's all deliberate disinformation. It's part of what I call a brain rot op, a brain rot operation. Because to get us back to our friend Mr. Katarlson and Candace Owens and some of these others, one of the things they're trying to do, Mark, in my judgment, is they're trying to deliberately rot your brain because they think that if you are stupid or they think that if you are stupider then they will gain market share. It's a bit of a self aggrandizing market, market share grab kind of play. And again, that's not how I roll. That's not how I roll. I'm in this business because I care about principle, I care about the truth, I care about America, Western civilization, I care about the Bible, etc. I know you do too. And that's what makes you and I different from folks like them.

Josh Hammer (102:12)

So it's, it, it's hard to say. Now part of this is playing out quite literally in real time. So Mark, just 10, 15 minutes before I hopped on the air with you, I was watching our buddy Ben Shapiro's speech out at Amfest, the Turning Point speec. That, that just happened and Ben brought the house down. It was in my judgment, probably one of his all time greatest speeches. And he got resounding applause throughout it as he was calling out people by name. In fact, I was just skimming my, my social media feed and I saw that there's a Turning Point USA staffer by the name of Alex Clark. She actually hosts a show for Turning Point. She said that Ben's speech was the greatest speech in the entire history of Amfest of the Turning Point Conference out in Phoenix. So you know, between that, Mark, I saw one of Charlie's other producers, a guy by the name of Blake Neff, who's formerly a producer on Tucker Carlson's Fox News show. Blake's been with Charlie for a few years now. Blake actually had an interesting tweet on Thanksgiving Day of all days calling out Tucker for his bizarre World War II revisionisms. Tucker was essentially on Piers Morgan show saying that, that Hitler was just an anti communist. That's really what he cared about, was fighting communism. And his own foreign producer, Blake, who's on Charlie's show now, said what are we doing here? I mean like, like what are we doing here? I mean, you know, how many more Jews, how many more Catholic Poles, priests, etc, did Hitler have to slaughter to convince you that he was not just out to fight the commies, not just fight the pinko radical commies? So I mean, I, I think that we've actually reached something of an inflection point. I think we actually, I mean, maybe, maybe I'm a little optimistic on this. I might be too optimistic, but I feel like we're already past the lowest point. You know, Erica Kirk took a jab, actually, Candace Owens as well tonight in her opening speech. That was really nice to see as well. I think that Team Sanity. I think that Team Sanity is starting to punch back, and it's starting to punch back with fervor. And I'm just really excited to be a very small part of that effort to punch back.

Producer/Announcer (108:43)

Well, you might want to call me the Haganah of the north because I definitely are not in that ilk. I'll just tell you one thing. When you come to Islam, fascism, you're not going to get more of an opponent to the militant Islamic movement both in England, Canada, the United States and around the world. Bondi, Munich, Entebbe, etc. You have the Seattle attempt, you have the Toronto 14. These are all generated by what I call Islamofascists or Islamists that are militant Sharia, misogynistic fundamental cultists pushing an intimidation on their opponents by labeling Christians and Jews and even certain Muslim groups as infidels where they say they can name, kill, burn and destroy and overtake. So why are we asleep? Mark, you're the only one that I know in North America that talks about the absolute threats that Islamofascism is generating in your country, in our country, against Jewish people, against Christian people, against anybody that opposes them. They believe that their religion is the dominant force in the future. That is why they've been excluded out of multiple countries such as China and Russia, Hungary, Poland, etc. But we are using, we are allowing them to use the Constitution as if the Constitution of the United States is a suicide pact. It is not. They are advocating for violence against targeted groups. That to me is hate speech and they should be stopped. If you're going to use your religion as a cult and as a propagandist political movement, then we must treat it as an incipient Trojan horse that is trying to destroy the way of life. Like your expert said, the Jewish and the Christian faith produced the Enlightenment which changed the world. And we should be aware of that. And I want to ask you, Mark, did you hear anybody call out Bondi from the, the hierarchy of the Islamic movement? Did you hear any email called them out? Okay, I didn't hear anything. Okay. And how many Christians have been eliminated in genocide in Africa and Nigeria?