C (12:44)

Is there any historical precedent for an.

A (12:46)

Alternate slate of electors to be sent to Congress? Has that ever happened before that had happened? Not anything similar to this situation, but you're correct, it was in Hawaii. I think it was Hawaii in, I want to say, the 1960 election.

C (13:03)

So it has happened before that there was an alternate slate of electors that.

A (13:09)

Was sent to Congress, which does the electoral count.

C (13:12)

Correct.

A (13:13)

There was a prior time that an electoral slate was sent where there was litigation and recounts going. Actually, there's twice that it happened, Mr. Chairman. It happened in 1876 and 1970, 1960, that these alternate electors happen. I'd like to ask unanimous consent to introduce the 1960 Hawaii case. With that, I yield to the Chairman. See, ladies and gentlemen, there's nothing illegal, not even sinister, about sending in another slate of electors, because ultimately Congress decides, and if you don't send in another slate of electors and you're challenging the electors in that particular state, and you win the challenge, but you don't have an alternative slate, then you have no electors from that state. So to criminalize this was absolutely outrageous, and he criminalized a lot more than that. We'll listen to a little bit more of this when we return. I'll be right back. All right. We be back. By the way, I have a guest in three or four minutes on the program. I find this fascinating. You know, I rarely talk about plays or movies or documentaries or anything of that sort. But this is an extraordinary situation. Next Wednesday, January 28, 7:30pm at the Kennedy center, at the Kennedy center at the Terrace Theater, there's going to be a remarkable movie, a play by a couple that we're going to have on to talk to you. And this is an Irish couple and they were in Ireland on October 7th. They're not Jewish, obviously. They learned what happened. They learned how their government, the Irish government and their media and the BBC responded. They knew it was wrong and they know well the media and the BBC and they wanted to go and they did go. These are award winning journalists, filmmakers, New York Times best selling authors, best known for the trial of America's biggest serial killer. Remember that movie America? A veteran foreign correspondent for the Financial Times and the economist McAteer. He produced and co wrote the film and authored the companion bestseller, Gosnell the Untold Story. As I mentioned, it debuted number three on Amazon. Now his career spans coverage of Northern Ireland, troubles, documentary work for the BBC, the CBC and rte. In other words, these are serious people and they and they've decided to tell the truth. And it is a verbatim play of what took place on October 7th, the unreported story. And so I'm posting now. Were you able to get the email, Mr. Producer? We're having a hell of a problem with Microsoft and aol, but we will get it up there eventually. It's the Kennedy Center. Next Wednesday, January 28, 7:30pm you can look it up yourselves and Google it. As soon as we have some kind of Internet back, we will in fact post it. But it's an honor to have him as a guest on the program right after the break. We'll be right back. The new American Revolution starts here. The Mark Levan show.

B (17:19)

Call in at 877-381-3811.

A (17:24)

Philla McAleer is a very well known playwriter, and journalist, filmmaker. He is a man of Ireland. His wife Anne is a woman of Ireland. They saw what happened on October 7 from afar. They were shocked. They were also shocked at the kind of reporting that they were reading from European media outlets. They were shocked at the reaction of their government in Ireland and they dropped everything in November 2023 to go to Israel, a country they never visited before, and they're not Jewish. They wanted to see for themselves what had taken place. And they were so horrified and so moved that they've done an entire play on the subject based on the interviews, the verbatim interviews that they. That they had. And this play will be at the Kennedy center next Wednesday, January 28th at 7:30pm Everybody who is in and around the Kennedy center area, Washington, Virginia, Maryland, West Virginia and so forth, I would encourage you to get tickets online. I've just posted this on my social sites. It is a great honor to have Phil and McAleer with us. How are you, sir?

B (18:51)

I'm great. Great, Mark. It's a great honor to be on your show, too.

A (18:55)

Well, it's my, my great pleasure. So you arrived in Israel and tell me from there, what did you do? You wanted to find out exactly what took place and you felt the need to do something about this.

B (19:08)

Yeah, well, me and Amber were journalists, right? And, you know, they, they talk about journalism being the. The first rough draft of history. We saw the waves being reported, this major story was being reported, and we were really worried that no one was going to write that first draft. Everyone was talking about the electricity being turned off in Gaza and the war in Gaza and this and that, and no one was talking about October 7th. You know, no one was talking about the fact that there would be no war in Gaza if It wasn't for October 7th. So we just felt it was so important that the world knew what happened on October 7, because good people we knew in Ireland, good people we knew in America, we live in Los Angeles. They were just following the mainstream media and thinking that somehow this war just started on October 8th and didn't really know what happened before that. And, you know, the media and leftists did a really good job of pushing that story. So we just got there. We phoned everyone we knew.

A (20:09)

We.

B (20:10)

We contacted everyone who we ever knew that had any connection with Israel. And, you know, the unfortunate thing is, Mark, it wasn't hard to find these stories in Israel. Everyone had a story. It was a massive blow to Israel. It was a massive story. It was a massive tragedy. But it's also a story of heroism. You know, a story of people doing good things, people being brave, people fighting back, people doing the right thing. And so we just let the people talk. Tell, tell, tell us what happened on October 7th. Tell us also what happened on October 6th. Because you were at peace then. Tell us about your peaceful life. And then the, when the war came and every word on stage. I just want to say that every word on stage at the Kennedy center is going, is verbatim. We're not adding any of our opinions, any of our journalistic context, nothing like that. Some people suggest that we should do. No, we're telling the truth about what happened in Israel on October 7th.

A (21:09)

It really is the first time this has ever been done and it's so crucially important. Again, I want to remind people. January 28th, Wednesday, 7:30pm The Kennedy Center. You can get the tickets online. You can go to any of my social sites. We've just put that up there. So you arrived, you go to this area. What did you see? What did you smell? Your senses took in this area, right?

B (21:37)

Well, look, we didn't even have to go down to the Gaza envelope. We went to this hotel, this small hotel in Tel Aviv, and the moment we came off the plane, you walk into the lobby and there is a monument to a waitress from the hotel who'd been murdered at the Nova Festival. It was everywhere. It was a country traumatized, you know, they'd lost, you know, in some respects, you know, one, two themes came out of the stories. People found faith after October 7, but to some extent they were losing faith in Israel. They thought they were safe, they thought they were secure. They thought they had, you know, were almost, that they had the best army. But it really shook their faith in Israel. But people gained their faith back. People, people fought back as well. So we went down to, you know, you hear a lot about Tel Aviv as this vital place in the Middle east. But there are other places, I'm thinking like the town of Afakim. We went to Afakim where an off duty police officer heard the shots, left the house with a pistol and nine bullets, and took on heavily armed Hamas terrorists. He rescued an IDF soldier, protected him with his body while the shots were firing. He rescued a shot rabbi who and sheltered him while the bullets were flying. He rescued a family from a rooftop who were trapped there. And then he went and killed two terrorists. He had a pistol and nine bullets. So there's the stories. October 7th. The play is a story of tragedy, obviously, but it's also a story of heroes, of people who fought back who said, we're not taking this. And so look, the problem with the play was how do you cut these stories down? There's 14 stories there. How do you tell the truth about what happens but not make it a hundred hours long, you know, so the stories are compelling because the truth is compelling.

A (23:40)

When you Interviewed. You interviewed a lot of people. When you interviewed them, it was emotional for them and emotional for you and your wife, right?

B (23:51)

Yeah, it was. I mean, it was funny. The funny thing is, normally when you're Irish and you go as a journalist somewhere, people are very welcoming to you. You know, it's an advantage being an Irish journalist, people, you know, neutral. I'll tell you, it wasn't much of an advantage in Israel. People were looking at us as Irish people, going, you're going to tell the truth about this? Are you sure? So we had to get over that little barrier, but we convinced people, look, it was very emotional, it was very tough. But, you know, I'm not. I'm never a fan of those journalists who like to talk about how the story affected them. You know, it didn't affect. It wasn't done to me. I had a job to do. We had a job to do was to tell their story, you know, and, you know, so you have to almost put your emotions to the side because you have to push these people and you have to get the truth and bring them through the most traumatic day of their life. It's a. It's a. It's a tough job, but it's a. It was a pleasure and an honor to do it.

A (24:51)

And.

B (24:52)

And I'm so happy and honored that they trusted us with their stories. But, no, of course, it's. It's an incredibly tough time for these people. Israel was a nation that was traumatized, I Feel, immediately after October 7th.

A (25:09)

Mm. Tell us a little bit, maybe about one or maybe two, the people you interviewed, that had an incredible impact perhaps, on you.

B (25:20)

Yeah, well, as I was saying, I mean, this is very sad. Itamar Alus, a police officer who left the home with nine bullets and a pistol, as I say, killed two terrorists, rescued maybe a dozen people. There was a. The IDF soldier he rescued was hit with five bullets. He was so badly injured, the medics thought he had been hit by a rocket. He's alive now because Itamar wouldn't leave him on the street. Itamar covered him up as the bullets came and then dragged him to safety. So Itamar was an amazing man, you know, a true Israeli hero. And very sadly, Itamar died of natural causes 10 days ago.

A (26:02)

10 days ago?

B (26:04)

Yes, 10 days ago. He was 41. He felt guilty. He felt guilty about surviving. 48 people were killed in his town of Offakim. And he says, and I got through with how to scratch, and I was in everything. He says he felt guilty about Surviving. And all his friends, you know, some of his friends didn't. And tragically, he died, I think of a heart attack 10 days ago. He was 41. He had four children. So we're dedicating the play at the Kendi center to Idamar Alo, a true hero, a modest man. And, you know, and you know, very funny. These people, you know, they say, everyone would have done this. I didn't do anything special. I'm going, no, you don't understand. That's just in you. Not everyone would have done this. And then there was Zaki, Zaki Mizra, who broke Shabbat, an Orthodox Jew who broke Shabbat. He drove a Coca Cola van and he installed the Coca Cola drinks at the Nova Festival. So he knew exactly where the festival was. He knew exactly how to get there, the back road, how to get in through the service place. So he went in and rescued, did multiple trips back and forth, rescued 100 people on Shabbat. And all these secular kids at the party couldn't understand how someone would break Shabbat because. Because they don't know much about, you know, faith, I suppose, and what you can and can't do. And he was so happy that he was showing people that there's more to the Orthodox than, Than what they may think. So a modest man, but a hero. Again, he's one of those guys. Ah, anybody would do. Sure, anybody would do. And I'm going, you drove into the Nova Party a dozen times and rescued a hundred children. You know, no, people would not do that. You know, he did it with how the gun. So it's amazing, you know. No, these are amazing stories. And by the way, these, this, there's a lot of tragedy in this play, but there's a lot of resilience, you know, at the end, the people all are resilient. All of them have found more faith than they had. And a lot of them, you know, have had their faith, their faith in, you know, in so many of them. Many of the kids in the party were liberal, were progressive, not pro Palestinian by any means, but, you know, had thought that there was a solution there and they've had to rethink everything now.

A (28:29)

Same with these kibbutz, same thing. They actually hired Palestinians out of Gaza and many of those Palestinians participated in the slaughter of these families. This play is a must see, folks. Next Wednesday, 7:30pm at the trumpet Kennedy center. And go online and purchase your tickets. I want to encourage you to do it there. This is the real deal. This is the real Deal. Why did he. Let me. First, let me tell the public. The play was off Broadway for six weeks. It was the only production that required police presence and security for the entire run. Why do you think that was?

B (29:10)

Well, you know, because this is not. Because America. I mean, it's hard to say these words. A lot of. Not a lot of America. There are many some Americans now who want to cause violence to Jewish people. You know, hard as that may be. It's a very hard thing to say. I never. When I came to America 15 or 20 years ago, I never thought. That was never something I thought would ever arise. No, people want. Do not want Jewish voices to be heard. And this is the ultimate Jewish voice, I suppose. You know, this is unfiltered accounts of the most traumatic day in Israel's history. You know, when I first produced the script, me and my wife, some people said, what this needs is context. You need a journalist character in the play to have context. I'm going. You mean to lie? You know. You know, the left love this thing of verbatim theater or verbatim works, but they always add in composite characters or characters for context. There's no composite characters here. There's no journalist characters tell you how to think. It's just people's different opinions and different experiences.

C (30:26)

But.

B (30:26)

Yeah, so, you know, you don't need me to tell you. Look, I mean, in D.C. itself, two people were killed less than a year ago for walking out of a Jewish event. You know, I think one of them wasn't even Jewish, or maybe both of them, I can't remember.

A (30:42)

But no one was Christian, so.

B (30:44)

Yeah, yeah.

A (30:47)

Shot in the back.

B (30:49)

Yeah. No, I just want to tell people it's not. It's a people. Somebody, a Holocaust historian, went to see it in New York and she said, I felt. I thought my heart would. I would hear my heart breaking. When I went to the play, I didn't. Instead, I left encouraged. Because, you know, it's a play about resilience as well, you know, and what. What's next? And also what happened. But what's next? Everyone's saying at the end, everyone thinks, what are they going to do next?

A (31:21)

Well, let me just say this. You and your wife actually are quite courageous to do this, I'm told. It is a. Is a crucially important play, and it's not a complete downer, as you point out. There are. There are heroes in this, too. And. And. But it is. It is unvarnished. It is the truth. And I just want the audience to know if you are in or around the Trump Kennedy Center. I would encourage you to go next Wednesday, January 28th, 7:30pm and you can go online to October 7th, the play dot com. October 7th, the Play dot com. You can hit the link on any of my social sites, too. I really think this room should be filled because this is important. And it is also, you know, what you and your wife did, committed your lives to doing this. It was really spectacular of you to do this. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. And I want to thank my wife for bringing this to my attention. So God bless you, my friend.

B (32:33)

Don't thank us. This is what journalism, journalism is supposed to be. This is what journalists are supposed to do, you know. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to, you know. You know, this is what we're put on the earth, I think. Although I think this is what we were put in the earth to do, I think. Yeah, funny. Only Foreigner, only an Irishman could do it almost. You know, I think people were too traumatized in Israel to do it. And only I could go there. Only an outsider could go and say, we need to corral these stories. Your story is not. Your story is part of a bigger thing and we need to make it a bigger thing. And I will say one thing before I go.

A (33:06)

Yeah.

B (33:06)

The thing that really surprised me, of course, it shouldn't surprise me. There was humor there, too.

A (33:11)

Yeah.

B (33:12)

Even in the darkest moment, they were making jokes and God blessed them. It was amazing. That was amazing. Of course, when I think about it, of course, course. This is, this is who they are. They laugh, you know, at the darkest times and make jokes, but, you know, as you do. But it was.

A (33:29)

I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to go because they're yelling at me in my ear here. Just because it's called a heartbreak in radio. But I want to thank you so, so much, whether you want it or not, and your wife, too. And God bless you, my friend. Everybody turn out. We'll be right back. I thought that was. That's a remarkable gentleman and his wife in a very, very important play. Six weeks off Broadway in New York. So it's. So it's a very important play. And I encourage all of you who are in the area or want to come to the area in Washington, D.C. go to the Trump Kennedy center, and again, you can order them the tickets.

C (34:21)

Online.

A (34:23)

And we link to it on my various social media as well. I think it'd really be worth it. What that couple did is incredible. And it's a plot, so. But it's a play that's completely factual. We've got a lot more. And I'll be right back. This segment of the podcast is exclusively sponsored by Pure Talk. Pure Talk offers great coverage and can save your family money on your wireless bill every single month. Go to PureTalk.com to find the plan that's right for you. Thank you again for listening and thank you so much for this sponsorship. Pure Talk. He's here.

B (35:08)

He's here now. Broadcasting him from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building. We've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Levin.

A (35:28)

Hello, America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 873. 3811-877-381-3811. Look, for half the country. We're gonna be snowed in. It's just the way it is. Do I like it? No, I hate it. When you're younger, you like the snow, you know, you get school off. Teachers like the snow. They get school off, you know, all the rest of it. But I hate it. I like to be mobile. Doesn't mean I go a lot of places, but I like to be mobile. I like to know that I can go to a lot of places. And if they're talking about a foot or more snow where I live, we're going to be stuck for a long time. Now, that said, we're going to have two wonderful shows for you on Life, Liberty and levin on Fox. 8pm Saturday night Eastern, 8pm Sunday night Eastern. And I hope you'll watch. They're going to be powerful shows, powerful monologues, and it'll give you something to do, too. Set your DVR now. 8pm Eastern, Saturday, Fox, 8pm Eastern, Sunday, Fox. It's that simple. I want to thank you for the great ratings. We are up against the most aggressive competition we've ever been up against. Playoff football on Saturdays and Sundays, even college football Saturday, we're up against 60 Minutes. We're up against the biggest network TV show. This is the APM slot. The APM slot is the toughest slot on prime time, on the weekends anyway. And so we'll have, like, I'll give you an example, Sunday night, I'm told we had 31 million viewers of other channels, football and all the rest of this stuff. And so we carry the bulk of that. We face the bulk of that. And again, thanks to you, we do very, very well. If it's not for you, and I understand These programs aren't about me. They're about you and what you want to do. And that's what many of these phony podcasters don't understand. They think they can just sit there and pop off and throw out curse words that you don't want your kids to hear and on and on and on. This is a big deal. So we do that. I want to get back to this Jack Smith, because he was absolutely disgusting to me. What he did to this country, Jeff Van Drew, South Jersey violinary and so forth is excellent. He was a Democrat. He became a Republican. And sometimes Democrats who become Republicans are the best. Like Ronald Reagan is an example. So this was the hearing today, House Judiciary Committee. Let's take a listen. Cut to go. I just want to quickly go over something because we keep rewriting history. The President said peacefully and patriotically. What don't we understand about peacefully and patriotically? He asked for the National Guard. That was ignored. He asked Speaker Pelosi, what don't we understand?

B (38:36)

That will the gentleman.

A (38:37)

You have a question? Are you saying Nancy Pelosi controls the National Guard? Wait a minute. You see this? This is the way a Marxist, and he's a Marxist conducts himself. He's asking questions. It's not his turn. He says, will you take a question? He says, no. And he interrupts him anyway. And he interrupts him anyway because Raskin is a putz. He's a schmuck. Go ahead, National Guard.

B (39:04)

And he wanted to.

A (39:05)

And you know that. Claim my time. I lost some of my time. The time belongs to the gentleman from New Jersey. You have a few more seconds. And finally, how many elected officials say, we're going to fight to win an election? Terminology used all the time. Seriously. And of course, if they were guilty, they should be prosecuted. The problem was there were many in the mix. Mm. But this went on like this with the Democrats. And Jack Smith came across, you know, he wanted to be like a choir boy, you know. Here is Representative Barry Moore, Republican, Alabama. Cut eight. Go. You also issued an indictment against then President Biden's most formidable political opponent. The candidate was President Trump. And you issued a gag order for President Trump during a 2024 election cycle. This was a major violation of President Trump's First Amendment rights and a poor attempt to outright censor the leading political candidate. These actions were nothing short of election interference. Nine senators, including Senator Tuberville from my state of Alabama and multiple Republican members of the House of Representatives had their.

C (40:17)

Phone subpoenaed or their record subpoenaed.

A (40:20)

Some you seized their phones. Even then, speaker of the house Kevin McCarthy, one of the highest ranking Republicans in the country, had his phone record subpoenaed, all for political gain. These subpoenas clearly violated the speech and debate clause. So there they are.

D (40:38)

They.

A (40:40)

It's outrageous. They subpoenaed the records of members of Congress. They didn't tell members of Congress. And guess what we learned? They didn't tell the judges either. They didn't tell the judges either what they were doing. Let's go to Eric Swalwell. This. If you're eating dinner, be careful, you might throw up. Katengo. Mr. Smith, I want you to have the utmost confidence in what you did.

B (41:09)

You did everything right.

A (41:12)

Harry Dunn, Danny Hodges, sergeant Cano, Mike Fanone. They did everything right. These guys, my Republican colleagues, are a joke. They're wrong. History will harshly judge them. So I want you to lean in today.

B (41:26)

You have nothing to be ashamed of.

A (41:28)

You did everything right, sir. And I am so. These guys are so lucky they're not under oath, because they would have to tell you what they really think of Trump. They call him crooked. They call him cruel.

B (41:42)

They call him a scumbag.

A (41:44)

I've heard you all say it. You're lucky you're not under trouble when the lights go on and the cameras are on. Shut up, you moron. You grotesque piece of garbage. You have an affair with a Communist Chinese spy. You cheat on your wife. Your humiliation to your family and your parents and your wife. Now you want to be governor. We don't need lectures from you, scuzzball. Ever. Never. That's the truth, Eric. Swalw. I mean, what a sick SOB this guy is. Oh, and he did everything right. Except the Supreme Court repudiated him on two occasions. A federal judge in Florida repudiated him altogether. He took these criminal statutes, twisted them into pretzels, applied them to Donald Trump, an ex president candidate, to be president again, and used them against him in the most outrageous manner. He used all the dirtiest tricks, all the dirtiest tricks that a Stalinist prosecutor would use in a courtroom. That's what he did. That's what he did. And Donald Trump got elected regardless. But this man wanted to throw Donald Trump in prison. Think about that. What would that do to the country? And for what? You're allowed to challenge elections aggressively. You're allowed to demand recounts. You're allowed to call secretaries of state. You're allowed to send in a second slate of electors. You're allowed to do all those things. You're allowed to say you won. Even if some people thought you lost, it's okay. And he's totally screwed up our electoral process. And he didn't strike me as very intelligent either. Not in the least. He's an awful human being. I'll be right back. If your credit card balance is freaking you out after all the holiday spending, I have something that can save you money right now. Cut your cell phone bill in half by switching to PureTalk Saver plan. Just $20 a month for unlimited talk text and 3 gigs of high speed data on PureTalk's super fast nationwide 5G network. As a veteran led company that cares about giving back to those who serve, if you're active or former military or a first responder, you'll save an additional 20% every single month. The easiest way to free up cash flow is is to reduce your monthly recurring bills. Start with cutting overpriced wireless and switching to my wireless company. Go to PureTalk.com Levin L E V I N and make the switch today in as little as 10 minutes. Again, talk, text and data. Just $20 a month. That's PureTalk.com Levin L E V I N and you'll save an additional 50% off your first month. PureTalk is America's wireless company. Not going on in the world today. Ladies and gentlemen, including some very good news. Our friend Mark Meckler, the baby doc of the convention of States movement. I can say that to you, Mr. Mark. So what happened today?

D (45:11)

Incredible day in Kansas, Mark. We crossed a major threshold. We've been fighting in Kansas for 13 years. Today in the House of Representatives in Kansas, they made it final. They are state number 20. Incredible vote that we did it here, 80 to 41 or 42. I mean it was kind of a blowout vote. So they did it in style and they added their name to that list of the states that have called for a convention of states.

A (45:35)

Convention of states. 20 and 34 are needed. You're more than halfway. This is a big deal, Mark, isn't it?

D (45:44)

It's really a big deal. And you know, Mark, I think the most incredible thing to me and you've been in it this whole time, I think of Thomas Paine, Right. He's saying we owe a debt of gratitude to the people who are in the fight in the winter, not the summer soldiers and sunshine patriots. You wrote the book on this with Liberty Amendments. You and I have been working together ever since years to pass this state. Yep. And it's never easy. I think that's what I want people to know. The Great things that we accomplish, the greatest things in life, they're never easy, but, man, the value is there when you cross that threshold. And I'm in a room full of grassroots. These people have been working so hard.

A (46:18)

Let's hear him cheer.

D (46:20)

How about a cheer for Mark?

A (46:23)

No, for them, not me.

D (46:27)

That's for you, Mark, and they love you. They understand that you set the intellectual foundation for this movement. I mean, they're out there. And I agree with you. They're doing the hard work. They're the ones getting it done. But when you wrote the book Liberty Amendments, I mean, there's this story we tell all the time. You didn't know I was doing this? I didn't know you were writing the book. I think God was in the mix, and he put us together for a great purpose.

A (46:48)

Well, let me tell you, you're a great leader. You're very passionate about your beliefs. You're a fantastic activist and organizer. And thank God we're working together and you're not working against me, because then I'd be in trouble. But, Meckler, you're fantastic. Yeah, go right ahead.

D (47:06)

There's just one thing I want to say. Look, people. People don't get to hear this side of Mark Levin very often. I know Mark Levin as the great pundit that he is, the great one, the great writer, all that stuff. But the one thing I want to tell you about Mark Levin, that I want all your listeners to know, is what an incredible friend you are. When the chips are down, when you need your friend, you call Mark Levin, and he will be in the fight with you.

A (47:26)

Well, that's very likewise. You have a wonderful wife and family. Got to know your son a little bit, too. Just great, great, great. Anyway, what's next? Not that I'm trying to be piggish about this. What do you have lined up?

D (47:40)

Next, man, next. Mark, we're on the move. We're going straight from here to South Dakota. South Dakota has the Senate committee up tomorrow. We've often gotten chewed up and spit out by that committee, but we believe we might even have 100% of the committee. We got at least seven out of eight we're gonna get out of committee in the Senate. We need a two thirds there because it's a budget session. We believe we have that two thirds lined up. And so we're gonna get out of the Senate, we're gonna move over to the House, and then the real fight's going to be in the House. But I think what I'm praying for And I'm hoping for. I'm counting on the grassroots for, is that South Dakota is going to be state number 21 here pretty quickly.

A (48:15)

When. When do they vote? Do you know?

D (48:18)

Well, they'll vote in committee tomorrow to vote us out of committee.

A (48:23)

Kansas.

D (48:24)

Oh, no. They're going to be paying attention to this. They understand exactly what's going on. They're going to be listening to you as well. They're going to get jacked up because they know you're in the fight with them. I think we'll be on the Senate floor here in the next few days. It happens really fast in South Dakota.

A (48:39)

You know, it's really cold up there. Snowy. You're going to go up there. Although it's pretty rough on the East Coast.

D (48:47)

That's why they stay in the fight. They're hardy. They're not like you and me. You know, I escape Texas. I know you spend a lot of time in Florida where it's nice and warm, but those folks up there, they fight it out, even through the storms.

A (48:57)

Yeah, no, that's right. Well, we're very excited. Thank you. You're the general in this movement and all the wonderful people working with you in Kansas, look what you've accomplished. This is fantastic. Number 20. And I want to warn patriots all over the country, all the sharp knives are going to start coming out. All the BS is going to start, all the personal attacks are going to start. So just be ready and we will be ready to hear. God bless you, my friend.

D (49:24)

Thanks, Mark. God bless you.

A (49:26)

Wait a minute. Wait. If people want to help, where do they go?

D (49:30)

They go to conventionofstates.com and we actually have a new sub page that I love. Conventionoestates.com act go there. That's how you get involved, and that's what we really need.

A (49:39)

There you go. All right, Meckler. Be safe out there and give everyone our best.

D (49:44)

You got it. God bless you, my friend.

A (49:45)

You, too. Wow. Isn't that great? 20. When this thing started. When did I write that book? I gotta go pull it off the shelf. You know, I was hopeful. We've got 14 to go. And it's going to be harder now because the opposition is going to lie. They're going to talk about how we want to tear up the Constitution, which they, of course, love and revere. 2009. Is that when I started? March 2009. And they're going to talk about all this and that and the other. Look, I used to be an opponent and I actually studied it and read it and said, why I'm opposing this. I've got to celebrate this and promote it. And Mark Meckler is right. I sat down and wrote this book, the Liberty Amendments. We're very good friends. I had no idea that he was going to form his organization, Convention of States. And we kind of came out together. It was unbelievable, really, when you think about it, really quite remarkable. So I wanted you to hear that today, too. That is very, very exciting. And that's 20 states, 14 to go. We're going to be in a big fight, but we'll be okay. I want to go to the great chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. This man is really a special man, Jim Jordan. He really is. And he does it always with a smile. A smile. Me, Mr. Producer, I tend to do it with an upside down smile. But nonetheless, here he is. Cut 11. Go on page 310.

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They said Jack Smith had wondered whether some of Hutchinson's claims might be relied upon at trial. Still, at one point, Smith told the elections team he wasn't ready to give up on Hutchinson's account. Ultimately, however, Trump administration officials uniformly fiercely disputed her accounts under oath. Prosecutors on your team told Smith they.

A (51:36)

Wouldn'T want to use Hutchinson as a witness in court.

C (51:38)

And Smith agreed. Are Carol Lening and Aaron Davis, who.

A (51:42)

Wrote this, are they lying? My recollection is that I certainly had not made any final determinations about who we were going to call. And that's the point. That is the point.

C (51:54)

The fact that they used her in a primetime hearing and you won't rule out using her, didn't rule out using her, putting her on the witness when everybody knows she wasn't telling the truth, that says it all. That's the degree the left and Democrats were willing to go to get President Trump putting on the witness stand.

A (52:12)

Someone everybody knows is making it up.

C (52:15)

Everybody knows that. And you are willing to. By the way, you know how many times Cassidy Hutchinson was mentioned in their report, the January 6th report. Any idea, Mr. Smith?

A (52:25)

I do not.

C (52:26)

185 times. Someone that the whole country knows one wasn't telling the truth and you were still considering putting her on the witness stand because you had to get President Trump. And everybody can see that.

A (52:42)

It's so true. It's so true. This whole thing was horrendous and they act like they're so self righteous. Everything was done great. You know what, Swalwell? It's amazing how you dodged a, an ethics complaint. What was the woman's name? Fomfam? Bon Bon Fang Fang. All Right, Whatever. It's amazing to me how you survived that. I was on Capitol Hill some time ago, you know, I bumped into him. Mr. Produced. I ever tell you that? I did tell you first way. He doesn't shave. He looks like he's. He's had a rough night. Maybe he has. Maybe he's out there. I don't know. He's shorter than I realized. And his eyes kind of popped out of his head, you know, like, oh my God. I don't walk up there much, but it's kind of interesting when I do. We ought to bring a camera next time. I don't even know if we're allowed to have a camera. Camera. Just to see the reaction of people. Oh my God, what's he doing up here? But nonetheless, Jack Smith is exactly what we've said he is. He did exactly what we said he did. He had two brutal defeats at the U.S. supreme Court. He had a brutal fatal defeat in federal court in Florida with a great judge. He's had these defeats before. When he went after John Edwards, he went after the Tea Party. This guy is a bad guy. He's a bad guy. We'll be right back. If your credit card balance is freaking you out after all the holiday spending, I have something that can save you money right now. Cut your cell phone bill in half by switching to Pure Talk Saver plan just $20 a month for unlimited talk text and 3 gigs of high speed data on PureTalk's super fast nationwide 5G network. As a veteran led company that cares about giving back to those who serve and if you're active or former military or a first responder, you'll save an additional 20% every single month. The easiest way to free up cash flow is to reduce your monthly recurring bills. Start with cutting overpriced wireless and switching to my wireless company. Go to PureTalk.com Levin L E V I N and make the switch today in as little as 10 minutes. Again, talk, text and data. Just $20 a month. That's PureTalk.com Levin L E V I N and you'll save an additional 50% off your first month. Pur Talk is America's wireless company defending.

B (55:20)

The red, white and blue.

A (55:22)

Join Mark Levin at 877-381-3811. Have you ever heard of Muhammad Badawai? Mohammed Battawai? Now I want to thank Muhammad Badawai and other individuals of his ilk. Now why do I want to thank somebody who is an Islamist who wants to destroy America? Because he's at least out there and he's explaining what he wants to do. And it makes it possible for me to share this with you. So some of you who are still skeptical, not many of you, just a handful, understand that I tell the truth. Hat tip. Memory. I've told you about this site, memri.org It's a fantastic site. I encourage you to bookmark that site. Mohammad Badawai is the director of the New York Muslim American Society Youth center, the director of the New York Muslim American Society Youth center, which means he has a lot of contact with the youths and a lot of ability to brainwash them. And we are now raising. We are raising Islamist youth to hate America, to hate you and want to destroy the country. Listen to this. Cut 12. Go. As a Muslim, my response to all of this is, do your worst. I am not afraid. Because even if this body is broken, the spirit inside of it you cannot reach. And it will continue and Allah will replace you. Whether I see that or not is irrelevant. But I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of the US Government. I am not afraid of the United States Army. I am not afraid of ice. I am not afraid of whatever they control. Not only am I not afraid, but it is my life mission to stand against all of the above. That every single iota of strength, wealth and spirit that I have until I die will be spent fighting everything I just mentioned to the last breath or until they seize their oppression, seize their injustice. That's my reason for existence. Ah. That's his reason. America, government, the army, ice. He exists to destroy them. He doesn't seek assimilation. He doesn't seek civility. No. Utterly intolerant. And he's the director of the New York Muslim American Society Youth center in Brooklyn. And that was him last Friday. And this nation has been overrun by individuals with this ideology. Overrun. And immigration is the problem. The way immigration has been treated prior to Donald Trump. Here we have Representative Rashida Tlaib. It was a low life, a vile low life. The things that she said about the president in this country. And she's an Islamist who's elected to our Congress from Detroit. She took over John Conyers seat in a very crowded Democrat primary. And here she is, Rashida Tlaib on Capitol Hill yesterday. Cut 17. Go. Since its inception, the civil rights violations has been clear. It's not just under Trump. It's been violations under Biden, under President Obama. What civil rights violations? Now, from where her parents hail, there are no civil rights whatsoever. Period. Civil rights. There weren't any Civil rights under Democrats, Republicans. Why? Because America sucks, that's why. And these people aren't here to improve America, they're here to destroy it. If you hate America this much, you have to wonder, well, why don't you leave? No, it's my country too. And if I want to destroy it, I get to destroy it. Go ahead. So it is very clear from how they recruit, how they do oversight that it is a very rogue agency. But now the American people around the country are now seeing it being even emboldened and rebolled. So I ran on Abolish ICE seven years ago. Been very consistent about this is an agency, she's been very consistent. Abolish the police, Abolish ice. Abolish America. Abolish, abolish, abolish. That's what they're about. Oh, and affordability, of course, because all these people have worked so hard in our economic system to create wealth and opportunity and so forth and so on. But abolish. Abolish all the entities that protect us from people like her. And not just her. Abolish them. Abolish ICE now. Think about that. What happens if we abolish ice? ICE is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. So abolish Immigration Enforcement and Customs Enforcement. Oh, that would be fancy. That would be wonderful, wouldn't it? Just imagine that. Just imagine that. And you hear her and you hear the others. Not just Islamists, the Marxists, Democrats, they hate the country. They hate the country. People come here. Omar Talib, others or their parents come here. They're not invited here. They come here and then they try and destroy it. I'm sick and tired of it. Turns my stomach. I'm just sick of it. All the hard work that's going on, one generation after another to build this country. People who love this country, contribute to this country. I'm not even talking about billionaires and millionaires, just hard working people like you. Many of you have served in the military or as cops or firefighters or emergency person or what have you. Or you volunteer to spend time to try and help build up the country and so forth. Look at these people. They contribute zero, nothing. And they're newly here and they want to destroy everything because they're smarter than everybody, you understand? So they're throwing everything in the kitchen sink at law enforcement, at the Constitution, you know, they pick their targets. Remember when they were going after Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito, you know, now they go after Donald Trump, you see, because Donald Trump, there's something wrong with Donald Trump, you know, he's not Only corrupt, they say. But he's lost his mind. Isn't that precious? The party that defended and Joe Biden, and clearly Donald Trump has not lost his mind. He's sharp as hell. He's run in circles. Not around just every single world leader, but all of them combined. Some guy, Jason Crow. You've seen this guy, Democrat, Colorado. He's is a reprobate. He's disgusting. I don't care if he served in the military. Still a reprobate and disgusting. It's a leftist. Cut. 19. Go. I mean, this president is unstable. He is corrupt. He's interested only in his own power. He always has been. You know, I prosecuted the first impeachment trial of Donald Trump. Another great prosecutor. First impeachment trial. He prosecuted. You know, corrupt. That's a funny word to use on Donald Trump since he put his entire livelihood, his life on the line, his family, their business on the line. He's put everything on the line. Everything. Everything. Very few politicians ever do that. Very few. They talk about corrupt. How did the Obamas get so rich? How did Gore get so rich? They didn't come into office rich, but they leave office to become incredibly rich. 100 million. 150. 250 million. Where did all that come from? What do they know? What did they invest in? Go ahead. I was one of the House impeachment managers. Aren't you special? He was a House impeachment manager. That must have been hard under Nancy Pelosi in the Democrat controlled house. Oh, that must have been unbelievable how much work you put into that. You're. You're such a genius. You sound like such a genius. Go ahead. Or for weeks, making the case about how corrupt and unstable. Well, you failed, you jerk. He wasn't found guilty and you wasted the nation's time. You dragged us into your rat hole. The whole nation. I'll be right back. If your credit card balance is freaking you out after all the holiday spending, I have something that can save you money right now. Cut your cell phone bill in half by switching to Pure Talk saver plan. Just $20 a month for unlimited talk text and 3 gigs of high speed data on PureTalk's super fast nationwide 5G network. As a veteran led company that cares about giving back to those who serve. If you're active or former military or a first responder, you'll save an additional 20% every single month. The easiest way to free up cash flow is to reduce your monthly recurring bills. Start with cutting overpriced wireless and switching to my wireless company. Go to PureTalk.com Levin L E V I N and make the switch today in as little as 10 minutes. Again, talk, text and data. Just $20 a month. That's PureTalk.com Levin L E V I N and you'll save an additional 50% off your first month. PureTalk is America's wireless company. Here's my question. Are we all globalists now? Mark, what are you talking about? They've set up this Board of peace with like 60 nations that we're gonna hit. That's a globalist enterprise, isn't it? All kinds of decisions are being made about Gaza. Input from the Turks that are. Turkey is run by a mass murder Islamist nut job. Input from Qatar. You know about Qatar. They're the enemy. I go on and on. And the one country that doesn't provide input is Israel. This is troubling to me. Israel lost troops fighting Hamas. We didn't lose troops. Qatar didn't lose troops. Turkey didn't lose troops. In fact, Turkey and Qatar protected the leadership. And under this deal of disarming Hamas, if they throw their guns down, they get to go, they get to leave. And the head. The head people, the head terrorists, they get to leave too. Anyone consult the Israelis? Not one. Even though they're the ones that shed all the blood? Not one. There's something about this that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There's some grand plan, and the thinking seems to be we will build up Gaza even before we change the culture of Hamas and the Palestinians in Gaza. And everybody has a right to live freely and, and earn a living and so forth. Well, of course, but that is not what happens when you deal with generation after generation of people who have been indoctrinated to kill Jews. I will give you a perfect example. Maybe not killing Jews, but we have Islamists, many from the Middle east, who are now in our country, the wealthiest country on the face of the earth. I would argue, certainly one of the freest, if not the freest country on the face of the earth. You can do what you want as long as it's lawful. Are they happy? No. The Islamists are plotting to destroy the country even when they get elected to office. Like Mandani, Marxist, Islamist, thousand different ways to destroy New York City. What's going on in Plano, Texas. What's going on in Houston. What's going on in. In Tampa Bay. What's going on in Paterson, New Jersey. What's going on in Dearborn, Michigan? And on and on and on, do they seem happy? Do they seem assimilated? Is it enough that there's a capitalist system that, that can provide so much? No. So what, what makes us think we can build something not even close to what we have into the United States, Gaza. And then all of a sudden, people who have been raised since babies, they hate Jews to hate Americans, they hate Christians, they're going to say, oh, wow, I got a nice apartment. Wow, I got a nice job. Wow, I got. It's not going to work that way. This is a slap of reality. May I slap reality around here, Mr. Producer? I think I will. What's next? We're going to put a Disneyland there and at the Rafa gate? And so all of a sudden, all of a sudden little kids will learn that, oh, we're not so bad after all. The Americans, the Jews, the Christians. That's not what's going to happen. I just think the idea that. And it's very obvious that Israel is being pushed out of this. Gaza belonged to the Jews for 3,500 years. Now they gave Gaza to the Palestinians. You see what happened. I don't need to go through all the dirty details. And now, after losing 1,000 soldiers, the equivalent of 35,000American soldiers, Israel has no say and it's right on their border. Instead, we're going to have 60 countries, including Turkey and Qatar, and everybody who are going to have a say. That's not phase two of the deal that I read on, the 20 point deal. That's not what that says. I'm deeply troubled by this.

C (71:14)

Deeply.

A (71:20)

I mean, can you imagine doing this on our border with people who just slaughtered tens of thousands of Americans? That would be the equivalent. I don't think we would do that for two seconds, do you? No, not for a second. Always a big hour. Three, our power hour. We're going to get into a whole bunch of new subjects. Here we have another great guest. I don't normally have three guests, but three great guests. We'll be right back. Most people don't realize how much of their personal information is being bought and sold every day. Data brokers are making billions pulling details about you from public records and the Internet, then packaging and selling it, usually without your consent. That's how your information lands in the hands of scammers, spammers and even stalkers. It's why you get endless robocalls and why ads seem to follow you everywhere. That's where aura comes in. Aura actively removes your data from broker sites and keeps it off. They also instantly alert you if your information shows up in a breach or on the dark web. But Aura goes beyond data protection. With one app you get a vpn, antivirus, password manager, spam call protection, dark web monitoring, and even up to $5 million in identity theft insurance, all backed by 24. 7 US based fraud support. Other companies might sell just credit monitoring or just a vpn. Aura gives you all of it together at the same price. Competitors charge for just one service. Start your free trial today at aura.com secure. Protect yourself now at aura.com secure. He's here.

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He's here now. Broadcasting him from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building. We've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Leven.

A (73:17)

Still didn't turn it on. Hit the button. But it didn't go on. Try it again. Hello America. Mark Levin here. Our number, 877-338-1381-187738-13811. Well, Virginia's going to hell under the Democrats. Here's the latest under the so called moderate governor. She's a disaster. This is from Fox News. Virginia Democrats introduced classroom DEI curriculum law on day one of legislative session. HB 614 requires new materials covering LGBTQ people, racial minorities, immigrants and marginalized groups. This is stunning. Disgusting. Just teach. As Democrats retake control of the Virginia legislature and governor's mansion, a flurry of far left bills has been introduced to begin the legislative session, including one that would enshrine DEI in the classroom into law. HB 614, titled History and Social Science Standards and instruction Historically Marginalized Communities was filed on January 13, a day before the session even began, by Delegate Sam Rasool, Democrat, Roanoke. The bill seeks to, quote, ensure comprehensive, accurate, inclusive education for elementary and secondary school children. You believe this rich for elementary school children. To fulfill that goal, the bill mandates instructional materials and standards in history and social science courses that include contributions perspectives and experiences of historically marginalized communities. Those communities, according to the summary, include racial and ethnic minorities, immigrants and refugees, women, individuals with disabilities, LGBTQ people, people from various socioeconomic backgrounds, individuals from various religious backgrounds, and an open ended any other group of individuals that the Board of education deems appropriate in order to affirm such communities and promote a more holistic understanding of history. These leftists are destroyers. Destroyers. They're brainwashers. They're haters. Really appalling. This is Virginia. 30 years ago Virginia was a dark red state and now as a result of illegal immigration. Immigration, the mobility of people moving from Maryland and D.C. into Virginia. All these things coming to a head. Virginia's going to be gone. Another state that's going to be gone. And then, of course, they want to change the voting system, as we discussed yesterday, so that a party can actually nominate somebody to run for office. You'll have this weird system where everybody gets to vote twice, which means Democrats can nominate two people in the general election. The fix is in. And this is how California essentially went to hell. One party state. The bill itself is short on specifics of what will be taught, but says that by March 1, 2027, which is the state scheduled review of and revision of its standards of learning, the new instructional materials and curriculum guidelines must be in place to quote explicitly include the political, political, economic, social and cultural contributions of the communities described. I encourage you, those of you who have it, to read two books again as a refresher. American Marxism and the Democrat Party Hates America. This is more the same. Dressed up in a different way, but more of the same. It does note that teachers must be equipped with materials to observe Black History Month, Women's History Month, Hispanic Heritage Month, Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, Disability History and Awareness Month, LGBTQ plus History Month, and other recognitions as determined by the board. No America Awareness Month, by the way. No patriotic teaching of any kind. No teaching about capitalism. The Department of Historic Resources shall coordinate consultation with subject matter experts from institutions of higher education. You see, all the disastrous stuff going on with faculty and others in colleges and universities will now be used on elementary school kids, middle school kids and high school kids. This is how they're going to destroy this country. Among others. But this is a big, big, big problem. And all the teachers unions, they're so radicalized. They're so radical. They're Trotskyite unions. That's what they're. I said Trotskyite, maybe even Maoist. That they're going to be pushing this crap left and right. Well, left anyway. Now, the same department is tasked with disseminating the new curriculum guidance to schools, quote, to ensure integration of inclusive history across curricula and to avoid isolating such content to a single month or observance. In other words, every day, day in and day out. Let me tell you something. No legislator wrote this. This was written by some radical ultra Hate America organization that put it together, wrote the bill and gave it to this thug to introduce. Aoc. It was dumb. Sandy. What? They used to call her Sandy of Westchester, New York. Right? Oh, yes, and she was a bartender. And of course, I have nothing against bartender at all, just against this one. I understand she wasn't even a very good bartender. But then again, what do I know? I don't drink. So anyway, she's on Capitol Hill. Yesterday, mass media reported on Biden's decline, but not on Trump. See, this is the next. The next thing that Donald Trump is in decline when clearly he's not. Clearly he's not. But here we go from Sandy Katwani. Go. I think that the President has been acting in increasingly now. This is a woman. May I say woman? Am I allowed to say woman? I know I can't define a woman because we're not allowed to define a woman, but this is the same woman who attacked Jesse Waters for sexually harassing her. Not by actually sexually harassing her, but sexualizing her by some of the questions he posed to her. She can give it, but she can't take it. You see? So now it's Trump. He's in decline. Why? Because Sandy, Sandy, the former bartender says so. And Sandy knows. Go ahead. I think it is really damning when we think about the degree to which. By the way, by the way, it amazes me how the media hang on every word that she spews. Where did she go? It's really damning. Yeah, yeah, tell us more. Go ahead. Let's reported on Joe Biden and yet. Actually, yeah, actually, honey, may I call you honey? No, I don't even want to call you honey. That's what I call my wife. I'll call you Sandy. Actually, Sandy, the media outlets didn't report on Joe Biden's cognitive decline. That was part of the problem. And the problem for you, Sandy, is you don't have cognitive decline because your cognitive abilities are already very, very low. Very, very low. Go ahead. In the Democratic Party, changing its nominee, et cetera. Ash, shut up, you idiot. I'll be right back. Mud loving. Most people don't realize how much of their personal information is being bought and sold every day. Data brokers are making billions, pulling details about you from public records and the Internet, then packaging and selling it, usually without your consent. That's how your information lands in the hands of scammers, spammers, even stalkers. It's why you get endless robocalls and why ads seem to follow you everywhere. That's where Aura comes in. Aura actively removes your data from broker sites and keeps it off. They also instantly alert you if your information shows up in a breach or on the dark web. But Aura goes beyond data. Protection. With one app you get a vpn, antivirus, password manager, spam, call protection, dark web monitoring, and even up to $5 million in identity theft insurance. All backed by 24, 7 US based fraud support. Other companies might sell just credit monitoring or just a vpn. Aura gives you all of it together at the same price. Competitors charge for just one service. Start your free trial today@aura.com Secure. Protect yourself now@aura.com Secure. Well, it's hammer time, ladies and gentlemen, Josh Hammer time. A good friend of mine in the program. Josh, how are you?

C (82:58)

Mark, Good evening. I'm doing quite well. Thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.

A (83:01)

Well, it's my pleasure. Tell everybody about your podcast, by the way.

C (83:06)

Yeah, so the Josh Hammer show is a daily video podcast. It's, it's up on YouTube. It's distributed by Salem. So it's over at the Salem News Channel. It's also just available via audio everywhere you get your podcast. We have some select radio affiliates as well. Mark, I only started doing this every day fairly recently and I have to say I love it. I really didn't know that just ranting into a microphone could be so cathartic. But frankly, that's exactly what it is.

A (83:33)

Okay, Very, very good. Let me ask you a question. I'm getting a little bit concerned with this board of peace where you have a lot of terrorist related organizations on it and warmongers, if you will. And there's a whole scenario being put together about how we're going to help rebuild Gaza and all these other countries involved, including countries of course that have funded Hamas, has protected Hamas, like Turkey and Qatar. And I just want to be blunt about this. I'm very uncomfortable with this because it seems to me Israel's being cut out of this process. Do you see that too?

C (84:14)

It does look. That looks that way to me, Mark. I mean, Bibi, Netanyahu has been very clear that Qatar and Turkey are not going to have anything to do with post Gaza reconstruction. President Trump seems to have a slightly different view of Qatar and Turkey. And this is clearly an issue. This is clearly an issue where there's some distance between Trump's position and Netanyahu's position. And look, I mean, President Trump is the consummate dealmaker. I mean, he's the whole art of the deal guy. He comes from a real estate background. And from a purely, purely transactional perspective, I understand why you are trying perhaps to have dealings with some unsavory actors, whether it comes in the form of very wealthy investments or Turkey is particularly complicated because they're a NATO country. We have a massive weaponry stored at the US military installation at Interlika on the Anatolian Peninsula. But from Israel's perspective, they were a tiny country of these guys are sponsoring Hamas who just tried to slaughter them all and is going to do so again and again and again. You know, frankly, I'm not sure I fully understand exactly what this whole border peace thing is. I mean, it's, look, I mean, to the extent that it's going to be an American led prospective alternative to the United Nations, I guess that's, I guess that's fine. And to the extent that the goal is to, is to redevelop Gaza, as Jared Kushner says, I think that that's admirable. But to the extent that you're going to allow Muslim Brotherhood sponsors like Qatar and Turkey to potentially call the shots, I mean, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

A (85:51)

Well, I don't think we would do that, would we? I don't think we would. Countries that have funded terrorists who've killed our people and that continue to push hard line Islamist positions against us and so forth and so on. I don't think that we would be caught up to the idea that we would have a board of peace and these guys would be on the board of peace and not only that, that they would have a say in the disarming of the people who they armed and the disarming of people who are on our border. I just, I just see this as weird.

C (86:26)

So one of the analogies that I've been drawing ever since October 7th happened is I like to ask my fellow Americans, what, what would the United States have done if this had happened via the Mexican drug cartels, the Sinaloa cartel, Jalisco, groups like that, let's call it, in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. So let's extend the analogy a little further. Let's say that some of these leading cartels which have operational control of large swaths of northern Mexico, let's say that these cartels are directly financially supported by foreign power, let's call that country China, for instance. So if there was a gargantuan slaughter and the equivalent of Israel slaughter, 1200 people, give or take, October 7, the equivalent of that, comparing for population size, would be somewhere close to 50,000Americans. So let's say that, God forbid, 50,000Americans were slaughtered in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas. And then when it comes to trying to rebuild and reconstruct, do you think that the United States would call in China, who just sponsored the cartel to slaughter all these Texans. You think that we would invite China to the negotiating table? I mean, it totally beggars belief. So we would absolutely not do that. And it's not entirely clear to me why we would ask Netanyahu and the Israelis to do the exact same thing.

A (87:45)

And I guess that's why they're cutting them out a lot of these decisions, which is kind of ridiculous. Gaza used to be part of the land of, of, of the Jewish people, I mean, thousands of years ago. No.

C (88:00)

Oh yeah. I mean Gaza is literally in, in the Hebrew Bible. I mean, it's in the Torah, the five books of Moses. I mean, there's, there's references to Gaza over and over and over again. I mean, it was, it was Hebrew land, it was, it was at one point Philistine land. It was really never really, it was really never largely populated by Arabs until, until the past few centuries at the most. But look, I mean, I think, I think everyone, Mark Roots, everyone here is cheering for a bright future for Gaza. There's not a person in the world who does, who doesn't want that. This is, this has been, this has been an issue for a very, very long time. Gaza. And even before Hamas took over, there were all sorts of problems in Gaza. The fundamental problem, and this is what people frankly don't want to talk about, the fundamental problem when it comes to Gaza is that the people of Gaza are deeply, deeply radicalized. I mean, when it comes to their level of support for Hamas and Al Qaeda and isis, their level of supports for suicide bombings and indiscriminate slaughter of what they refer to as infidels, whether it's Jews or Christians or non shriya supreme supremacists, Muslims even. I mean, the polling on this is utterly off the charts. And I don't really know how you, how you do post World War II German style denazification on that kind of scale, because I'm not really hearing a whole lot of that talk. I'm hearing a lot of talk about building beautiful buildings and resorts and all that. And that's very nice. But the question in my mind is how does this work where you just have a deeply, deeply radicalized Arab population there, to say nothing, by the way of the terror tunnels. I mean, I mean, what are you going to build the four seasons in Khan Yunis over like a 500 kilometer long Hamas terror tunnel? I mean, how does that work exactly?

A (89:46)

I don't know. And you know, we have Islamists in this country A growing number who talk about destroying America. We just saw in Philadelphia talking about decapitating people. And I can go on and on and on. Dearborn, Michigan now, outside of Plano or Plano, Texas, outside of Houston, Tampa Bay, Paterson, New Jersey. We can go on and on and on. And they're not assimilating. In fact, they're talking about conquering. That's coming out of the mouths of their imams even. And I don't know, I thought the United States, we have pretty nice buildings and we have a lot of freedom here and people can make a lot of money here and yet these particular individuals don't much give a damn about any of that, do they? And so I'm here, I'm thinking, okay, we're going to build sort of an old Hong Kong over here. And to your point, how does that change hearts and minds? It doesn't.

C (90:42)

You know, unfortunately, the only language that, that the Arab world speaks, Mark, is, is power. It's really it. I, I mean, it is the only game in town. I mean, Israel, the United States, Western powers more generally have tried every which way to circumvent and get around the obvious fact that it is only brute raw power politics, let alone definitely not the opposite of appeasement. It's only power politics. That is the way that you, that you demonstrate strength and establish that you're not going anywhere. I mean, think of the ways that Israel has tried to appease the Arabs ever since the state was constituted in 1948. I mean, frankly, I mean, you and I could have a three hour conversation about this, but I mean, whether it's giving away the holiest site in all of Judaism, the Temple Mount after Israel recaptured Jerusalem in 1967, any number of other examples there of just, of just total acts of appeasement. I mean, the second holiest site in Judaism being the cave of the patriarchs and matriarchs in Hebron. I mean, to this day, the Jews only control half of the cave. The Arabs control half it. So they've capitulated on the holy sites. They've capitulated when it comes to, to broad swaths of Judea and Samaria under the Oslo framework, it's nuts. Appeasement doesn't work, Mark. It's only power. It's the only thing that possibly works for these people. That's it.

A (92:05)

That's Josh Hammer. He's fantastic. Josh, have a great Shabbat tomorrow, tomorrow night. And God bless you, my friend.

C (92:13)

God bless you, Mark. Shabbat Shalom.

A (92:15)

You too. We'll be right back. It's back. Hey, it's Dan Bongino. I've got some big news for you. Starting February 2nd, the show is back. That's right. The Dan Bongino show is relaunching and we're going bigger than ever. Join me live on rumble.com Monday through Friday, 10am to noon Eastern. We'll cover the stories that matter, cut through all the garbage and get to the truth. Can't catch it live. No problem. Grab the audio wherever you get your podcasts. Remember, February 2nd, there's Return to the Dan Bongino Show. Don't miss it. This is Radio Free America on the Mark Levin Show. Call now, 877-381-3811. Welcome back, America. Let us go to Alan in Minnesota, a great W vom. Go.

B (93:13)

Yes, Mark, it's a great honor.

A (93:15)

Thank you.

B (93:17)

It's. I'm actually calling from the great state of Maine up here in New England.

A (93:22)

Sorry, Maine.

B (93:23)

No, no, no, no. It's. They're pretty much both the same. Bright, bright blue weather. Anyway, good states now. They're infected, too, Mark. They're infected with an infection. That's disgusting. You know, I just, I just wanted to bring up a couple things first, Mark, it's an honor to talk to you. I've been listening to you for many years and.

A (93:44)

Thank you.

B (93:45)

I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh since I was a teen, and he used to bring you on and bring you up, and then I caught who you were, and you just blew my mind years ago. And it's just a great honor I'm gonna try to keep straight here so I don't fub up. I wanted to talk about a man that's up. Well, there's a man up here named Graham Platner. He's, he's running for a Senate. He's an open, he is a nut job, but he's. What?

A (94:14)

What?

B (94:14)

He's, he's also a tool, I think, and he's pushing our, our governor, who's also running to get as radical as possible up here. Mark, it's getting pretty bad. I mean, it's getting, it's, oh, it's getting bad. And he's, you know. Who's behind him? You know, the oligarchy. Bernie, Bernie Sanders. He's got George Sor, you know, he's got Act Blue behind him. You know, but our state has just gone so radical up here. I from listening to the things that you just mentioned about with Josh Hammer, where these people are going, you know, it Just makes me think of the ancient Babylon and the tower and, you know, these, these people, you know, a lot of locals around here, you know, we're from descendants of, you know, we're just, you know, good old pagan gentil. Lot a lot of people up here. And this is a bigger and longer ancient story. You know, as a historian, Christian, you know, I think of King Nebuchadnezzar, you know, and what he stole from, what he's, what he stole from the Jews, you know, and, you know, and so a lot of people, that means nothing. But, you know, when you, when you hear that old saying, you know, the writings on the wall. Well, I think for a lot of people the writing is on the wall and you know what I mean? And I think we need to start taking this serious. And I'm praying for the Iranians right now because I mean, this is. A nine year old girl should not, A nine year old girl should not be getting married off to some 65 man. I mean, if you can't open the eyes to evil people, I mean, that's complete evil for this day and age. I mean, we're not, we're not, we're not barbarians today. And if these people want to sit down at a roundtable with our president, I am sorry, but you, you have to stand out. I know, I know you want to stand. The difference between Muslims and Islamics, and there is a difference, but I'm calling out the Muslims right now to call up the difference, to explain to people slowly so they understand the difference too. So it's just not on your shoulders either, you know, I think of Nathan who had to tell David when he was sinning with Bathsheba. You know, it took a lot, it took a lot of courage for him to tell David that, you know, he was, he's doing it. He's in the wrong, you know, and I think of you, you know, you're, you're, you're Nathan. You know, you have sometimes you have to tell people you're in the wrong. You have to do that because, I mean, it's so easy for people to go down the road of darkness today. You know that that road is wide and the gates wide. You know what I mean? The way to heaven is narrow and the gates narrow. You know, it's plain, let me tell you.

A (96:31)

Alan, I gotta go, but really, excellent call, excellent call. Make sure you call back again. If you're a longtime listener, you've only called this one time, couple of weeks, give us a call again. I find you Very fascinating. Maine. Thank you. Maine. What's happened to Maine? What's happened to every state? Almost. Go to Paul. Cleveland, Ohio. XM Satellite. Paul, how are you?

B (97:03)

I'm doing well, Mark. I'm a huge fan.

A (97:07)

Thank you. And it looks like your baseball team's trading away a lot of great players. Just thought I'd tell you that. Anyway, go ahead.

B (97:15)

Yes, and still call them the Cleveland Indians.

A (97:20)

What are their names now? I don't even know. What the hell do they call them now? Guardians. Oh, my God. Commanders. The Commanders. What? The Commanders. The Guard. Why don't we just give them numbers? Right. Cleveland team, number seven. Okay, great. Anyway, go right ahead.

B (97:44)

Well, I just wanted to go back in history, the founding of our country, and about how the Jewish population was instrumental in helping our country be founded. I don't know if you're familiar with the gentleman, Haim Solomon.

A (98:03)

Oh, yes. I've talked about Chaim Solomon, who helped finance the Revolutionary War and was the main financier of the Battle of Yorktown. And that George Washington specifically asked James Madison, Get a hold of Hyam Solomon. We need money fast. Because I'm going to have a whole bunch of my guys are going to leave militia who haven't been paid. And Haim Solomon raised $20,000, which was an enormous sum back then, and donated it to the Battle of Yorktown, which wouldn't have happened but for him, and he died a pauper. Our government did not have the money to pay him back. He had provided a lot of money to our government, and he also provided support to some of our founders who, you know, couldn't tend their farms or their businesses, and they were involved in the war, including James Madison, who didn't have the funds to pay him back. So he died in his early 50s. He died poor. He'd been captured by the British at least twice and put on those horrific prison boats. And he escaped because they were going to hang him. And that's Haim Solomon. I have that about right.

B (99:14)

Yes.

A (99:15)

Yes.

B (99:15)

I think he died when he was 44, though.

A (99:17)

He's a great man.

B (99:20)

Yes, yes, he was. Being from Cleveland, I don't know if, you know, the Jewish population here in Cleveland is one of the strongest in the country. The largest Orthodox population outside of New York City.

A (99:33)

Is that right?

B (99:34)

And it's really a great, great community.

A (99:38)

Are they mostly conservative?

B (99:39)

Very proud of living. It ranges like any place.

A (99:47)

All right, well, listen, I appreciate your call. Fantastic call. Thank you, sir. And we're going to start getting into this more the history of our history that is 250th. And we'll get into this more. We started a little bit before the break and I want to pick up on that again. And we will. But there have been so many important things going on, life and death things that I feel compelled to spend time on that now. Haim Solomon was born in Poland. He came to the United States in 1775. We've talked about this. He died in Philadelphia. And he was, he was crucial to his support to the Revolutionary War. Now, obviously, he's not alone. There were others, but, you know, it's good to be proud of those who helped found the country. And there's many who aren't known. Dr. Joseph Warren, I've talked about, I think prior to my talking about him multiple times, people hadn't heard of him. I hadn't heard of him until about 10 years ago. And I just read and read and I bump into these things. And he was really the original of the greatest patriots. He was highly educated doctor. He had an incredible reputation in Boston. He was the go to guy. And he was one of the first leaders of what would become the Revolutionary War. They didn't know who George Washington was in Boston. They didn't know who most of these people were in Boston. George Washington really hadn't come to the fore yet. And he's not the only one. And so very, very important, the role that Dr. Warren played. And he died a very brutal death, unfortunately, as did many of those colonists and in the Revolutionary War. About half of those who died in the Revolutionary War died on those damnable prison boats. On the prison boats. All right, we'll be right back.

B (102:00)

Mark Levin.

A (102:13)

Let us go to John. Kansas City, Kansas, the great kcmo. John, go right ahead, please.

B (102:20)

Professor Levin, my name is John. I'm originally from the other side of Philadelphia running me Belmont, where 676 meets 295 years. Yes, sir. After 10 years in the army, five years of Fort Riley, Kansas, two deployments to arrive, one deployment Afghanistan, I decided to come back out here to Kansas. And I've been fighting with convention estates since 2021. And I want to put out a message to the other states of South Dakota, Ohio and other states out there who have not signed up convention states right now because we passed it. And I was standing right near your brother from another mother, Mark Beckler tonight when he was calling in early tonight, a beautiful man. I love hanging out with that guy. But I want to put out a thing to the rest of this states that afterwards I talked to One of the senior leaders here in Kansas in the House, and they've already started working on the framework for how delegates get elected and what their jobs are when the convention gets called. So that way we don't have this BS John Birch Society runaway convention, because that's the first part before it goes back to the state capitals. So the time is now. The energy is now to rock and roll and get these two amendments passed so we could balance the budget and we could put term limits because Nancy Pelosi has been in the House since I was six months older than in diapers. That needs to end yesterday.

A (103:49)

Yeah, yeah. There's a number of things. We need a tax limitation. We need to draw down the debt. We need to do a number of things. And Convention Estates has it in a nice compact form. And we need to get behind that. And we'll continue to talk about it. Thank you, my friend. Excellent call. I appreciate it. Let's see here. Let me put my glasses. Oh, by the way, not that you care. So I decided to get new glasses. That's right. I decided to get new glasses. You know, I get this needle in my eye, and I've had these same glasses for four or five years. Well, you have to update them. So I couldn't see. Right. And then it turns out I need reading glasses. And it's like night and day. The whole world opens up to you. It's fantastic. Do you wear glasses yet, Mr. Producer? You don't. How old are you again? Oh, you got a laser eye. Excuse me? You got laser eye surgery. But I had perfect, more than perfect eyesight for most of my life. And then I hit, like, 45, and then suddenly it starts to decline a little bit. And then you get all this weird stuff going on. But it's like, changed my life already. I just picked them up today. I wanted to get them before the snowstorm. You know, I hate this snow. Gonna have a snowstorm. I'm sorry, America. I just. I don't like being hemmed in. I don't like any of that stuff. And yet here we are. And it's even dumber because my residency is in Florida. So we have a home in Florida, but I have to do my work up here right now, so I'm kind of stuck. Otherwise, I'd be out of here and go to Florida. But here we are in Virginia. Now, most of us. Here's the deal. Where I live, and I'm not going to get into the specifics, but where I live, the problem is I'm in A community that has its own, you know, street whatever, whatever. You go the, you know, the snow removal activities in our own community, plus snow removal outside the community. It's not really on a main drag. So if it snows six inches, it takes, like a day to get the hell out of here. Now, I'm thinking the last time it snowed a foot or more, it was about 10 years ago. I think it snowed, like 15 inches. It was bad for us. You know, if you're in Buffalo, you know, you're laughing, but bad for us. We were stuck in the house for, like, three days. Three days. And you feel it. Obviously you feel it, but I don't understand. So late last night, I go to the supermarket, a big grocery store supermarket that I like to go to, and there's not a lot of people. And that's why I went. I'll be damned, Mr. Producer, if the toilet paper wasn't gone. I'm thinking to myself, when is it snow? Does everybody crap Endlessly? What's going on here? Seriously? Do you really think you're not going to have access to toilet paper a week later? Do you? Covid did it, too, but. But every time, it's just crazy. Particularly in areas that aren't used to 12 inches or 15 inches of snow. I get it, but I can see, you know, you want to get some steak, some hot dogs, some hamburger meat or something, you're going to have to cook or something. And if you lose electricity, you got to get other kinds of food and so forth. I got all that because those things happen. But have you ever literally heard of anybody in a snowstorm running out of toilet paper? Have you, Mr. Producer? No. Once you get one of those six packs or 12 packs, you should be good for a while, certainly three or four days. We're not talking about, you know, the tundra. We're not talking about, you know, these guys in Alaska that live. I don't even know, maybe they use leaves. I don't know what they do, but I'm talking about, you know, the guys that live off the land, which, of course, I could never do, but it's the weirdest damn thing. Oh, there'll be more. Well, have a wonderful night. We salute our armed forces, police officers, firefighters, emergency personnel, our truckers, the men and women in Ukraine, the men and women in Israel, the men and women in Iran. I pray to God help is coming, and you, the American people, God bless each and every one of you. I'll see you tomorrow. Take care.