Buck Sexton (20:06)

Mark levin, call in now, 877-381-3811.

Mark Levin (20:12)

All right. Computer's all pumped up, ready to roll. I think it's good. Rich Cemente is his name. He's the best at what he does. Here I am on Martha McCollum show today again. She's just a fantastic journalist. She's superb. Cut one go. And I point this out. This isn't the only paper editorial that sort of sounds like this today. Trump declares premature victory in Iran, it says the unfortunate truth is that Mr. Trump put himself in this position. Inconsistent rhetoric on the war claims a victory and unleashing hell to Iran's civilization, raise global fears and undermine support at home and abroad. The next test for Mr. Trump will be whether he takes his two week cease fire deadline seriously so that you can sort of throw into a ball of coverage that is quite similar to that. What's your reaction when you see that, Mark? Well, I don't normally waste my time reading editorial pages because I don't care what about six guys sitting in a skyscraper have to say about anything. The fact of the matter is we wouldn't be where we are today but for the fact that this president did something no president has done in half a century. He said enough is enough. We're going to take care of this nuclear issue. We're going to take care of this enrichment issue. They're not going to get to blackmail us. They're not going to get to fund terrorism anymore. They've killed thousands of American citizens and military personnel. We're not putting up with that anymore. They're spreading terrorism all over the world. They tried to assassinate me. We're not putting up with that anymore. We're going to take care of this once and for all. We're not going to push it off to the next generation My envoy came back, Steve Witkoff. He said they were bragging about the fact that they could have 11 nuclear bombs in 10 days. And I'm supposed to listen to Chuck Schumer? I'm supposed to waste my time with aoc? I'm supposed to care what some editorial page has to say? He's the President of the United States. He knows what he's doing. My issue here is they say, premature. He's sending mixed signals. Premature. I don't think he's premature at all. And he hasn't sent mixed signals unless he wants to send mixed signals signals. And that's the way he negotiates and so forth. So the fact of the matter is this regime is dead. The question is whether we let it live, whether we allow it to breathe life into it. And that's why these negotiations are critical. I agree with almost everything General Kellogg had to say. They are dead men walking. Now, are we going to resuscitate them or not? As far as the straits go, that's international waters. They don't get to control it. There's eight countries on the shoreline of that navigable area. Who says Iran gets to make decisions about what goes on there? They have to be put in their place. If were me, I'm not president, so I'm just projecting. I'd say, Here are my 12 points. You surrender or we'll see you in a week or two. And that's that we're not there negotiating any kind of deal. We're negotiating their surrender. That's my view. This president has been up against the Democrats. He's been up against the woke.

Buck Sexton (23:15)

Right.

Mark Levin (23:15)

He's been up against the media. He's been up against the U.N. he's been up against NATO, and he's doing the right thing. They've had 50 years to figure this out, and he's figured it out. And he says no to all these other people. They're wrong. What would we do today, Martha, if they had a nuclear weapon? They control the straits, and there's not a damn thing we could do about it. They control the entire oil in that entire region. That whole region would change with China's presence, with Russia's presence and so forth and so on. Moreover, they keep threatening us. These are terrorists. These are suicide bombers. They'd be suicide bombers with nuclear weapons. And they could use those nuclear weapons to kill tens of millions, millions of Americans.

Buck Sexton (23:59)

Let me ask.

Mark Levin (24:00)

Donald Trump's the president. He has to make those decisions. We should book that guy. Oh, I am that guy. All right, one more Clip Be curious to know what you think about it. Cut to go. The question of this cease fire. And you know, from everything I'm hearing, I know General Kellogg said, you know, I didn't support a cease fire at this point, but the president made that decision and that, you know, that's where we are now. So a lot is going to depend on this decision. These meetings that are going to happen in Pakistan, what was your, what's your take on it? Do you think it was too soon? Do you agree with it? I mean, who am I? I wouldn't have done it, but he's done it and he's smarter than I am. He has more information than I have. Right. And so far when it comes to foreign policy and so forth, it's almost been absolutely pristine. So he has information I don't have. I think in the end they have to be finished off. Unless, unless there's some kind of deal. And I also think this, this government has to go. It's an illegitimate government. It slaughters its own people. It's not a government of the people. The same guys are in charge right now, right? I mean, we have not had a regime change. The same guys are in charge. Am I right? Well, here's my take on it. The fact of the matter is that we went to war with this regime and this regime lost. We didn't go to war with the people of Iran. They're two separate things. Absolutely. We don't want a democracy project. The American people don't want a democracy project. So what? We take this regime out, we put in a temporary government and they can figure out what they're going to do, whether they want a democracy, whether they want a king, whether they want a prince, whether they want a queen. You know, that whole area is full of dictators and monarchs. If that's what they want, that's great. We're taking out that regime because it's our enemy. We're taking out that regime because it killed our people. We're taking out that regime because they wanted nukes. And if it remains in some form, you know, it's like a weed whacker. The weeds grow. They keep coming. You might get the top of it in the next level, but the weeds keep growing. And if we don't get down into the weeds, they're going to keep growing. Well, that was that. I don't know. Does that sound kiss ass to you, Mr. Producer? I think it sounds very balanced, doesn't it? Now over at Mediaite, Kobe hall, who we should send him A pack of depends, don't you think, Mr. Producer? He'll probably put it on his head. He won't know what it's for. But this angers people like him. And I've got depressing clip after depressing clip, Democrat after Democrat trying to undermine the war effort, trying to dismiss how important this is, trying to turn it into politics and exploit it. And we should punish them for this on election day. We should punish them for this and turn out mask. And that's one of the things I'm going to encourage over the course of this year right up to election day. We need to punish a party that roots for the enemy. We need to punish a party that undermines our troops in the middle of a war. We need to punish a party that one day says Trump is pushing for genocidal war against this enemy and then 36 hours later says Trump is a wimp and he surrenders. We can't put up with this Democrat party. We saw what they did when they were in power. They gave $140 billion to the enemy by lifting sanctions. $140 billion. They made a mess of the Middle East. They made a mess of this nuclear issue. They made a mess of the border and they purposely did it. They let in people into this country who are still killing Americans in the most horrendous way. And now they're leading an effort to prevent them from being deported. And their judges, they let these people out of jail. They need to be held to account for this. They need to be held to account for this. And the President called out the woke Reich, as I call them. Reich. They're not all the same, but some of them are very, very similar. The leader of the pack, of course, is Carlson. Why? Because he's smarter than the rest? No, he's just as dumb as the rest. It's just that he was popular as a result of his position on Fox and he carried that into this so called independent forum. But it's not independent. His spot was funded. It was funded by a guy who's close to Qatar and close to other elements that you and I reject. And God knows who funds what he does now. God knows who's doing any of this stuff. I know who funds me on my video podcast. Me. I fund. Me. Me, myself and I, all three of us. I know I've never taken a penny from any foreign government. Yes, even Israel. Not a penny. Not a free trip, not a meal, not a hotel room. Nothing. Zero. I wonder how much the others can say that. Probably none of Them. But Alex Jones, Alex Jones is a, he's a washed up, you know, a guy that ran something called Infowars. He got sued by parents in Connecticut for the horrendous things he said about that horrible tragedy where all those little kids were murdered and teachers and some others too. There was some kind of a. What did he call it? Mr. I forget, false flag. I don't know all the specifics. If you care, you can read it on your own. But who, who tries to exploit a situation like that? It's sick. And yet that's the pig. That's what he did. Or a guy like Bannon who pleaded guilty to stealing money from you, you got the guy with Infowars. Bannon calls this thing the war room. War room. Infowars. Two tough guys. Two tough guys that have trouble getting up off the chair from dinner because their bellies hang over the table. Two tough guys. And then Carlson has contributed nothing to the country. Zero. Has he said anything profound? Has he written anything profound? He's just a washed up former broadcaster. That's all he is. Who has lost his mind. Or maybe he found his wallet. It is one or the other. I don't know. I do not know. Then there are others that you can comment on yourself, but they are doing grave damage or trying to to this republic. They're undermining what is a incredibly successful presidency because they're useful idiots to the media. Got site like Mediaite or other outlets like Politico, the New York Times and so forth and so on who use these buffoons with whom we have absolutely nothing in common. You're not embracing Sharia law. You're not putting down the Constitution. You're not talking up Hitler and stalling away this little ADA Fuentes or has an IQ of a walnut. You're not doing any of that. You don't believe in any of that. And yet the left wing media, they keep projecting these people onto you and me because they want us to lose the election. Every time these morons open their big mouths and say the most stupid, asinine, bigoted, evil, vile things, they're trying to paint you and me with this. And the President, and the president threw down today. He threw down today. He said no, no, that, not them. They don't represent us. They don't represent me. Something we're saying too. They don't represent us. What has any of them done for conservatism? Can you tell me what has any of them done for the conservative movement, for the Tea Party movement, for the convention of states movement. What have any of them done? Nothing. What have they done for the Republican Party? They hate the Republican Party. And yet that's our choice, right? We fight in the primaries, we try to defeat the establishment, we try to nominate conservatives, constitutional conservatives. That's the way it works. That's the only way we have. And they're not trashing that. You've got little Ada Fuentes over there who's telling you to vote for Democrats. You've got Alex Jones bankrupt and all, telling you, along with Marjorie Trader, gangrene that we need to defeat and destroy. Burn down the Republican Party. That's what she said. Burn down the Republican Party. Is that what you want, America? So only the Democrats are standing. So they went overwhelming veto proof majorities in the House and the Senate. Is that what you want? It's not what I want. That's what they want. Or several of them anyway. This is what conservative talk radio is all about. To set the record straight, whether it's the left, enemies within, or whether it is a. It's not a movement, a cabal of self interest. It's self aggrandizing, self enriching individuals who are abusing you, who are manipulating you. But me, my audience, my audience is too smart for this. You get it? And there are voices out there challenging them. Podcasters, not enough, but some. On the Internet, not enough, but some. And of course a handful of us on radio are taking this on. Not many, but this audience is big enough. You understand exactly what I'm talking about. I'll be right back. I'd like to tell you about a man named Phineas who as a child survived the Holocaust. Phineas survived because Christians hid him from the Nazis, risking everything to save his life. Today he's in his 80s. He can no longer stand on his own or leave his home to receive medical care. And when sirens sound and missiles fall, he doesn't have time or strength to reach safety. But once again, Christians are helping save his life. Through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, a mobile clinic brings doctors and medicine right to his home, providing care he wouldn't receive, especially in wartime. Christians saved my life during the Holocaust, Phinehas says. And now again, they're helping me. As Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day approaches, we honor survivors like Phineas, not just with words, but with action. 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It's a 90 mile, primarily unpaid private logging road in Maine stretching from Minnecocket. They went to Quebec. The unidentified maple sugar workers flagged down a U.S. customs and Border Patrol officer. By 9:40am the same workers had returned to the U.S. side with more intelligence. A third man had told them that two men in gray Nissan parked on the Golden Road were asking passerbys for fuel and WI fi so they could contact the people they were supposed to pick up. A Border Patrol agent and the cbp. The officers loaded up a marked patrol vehicle, headed south. Followed the footprints in the soft dirt. A mile marker 87. They found the men themselves. Four individuals attempting to conceal themselves in roadside vegetation. Wow. I'm sure they were up to go. They're just picking lettuce, Mr. Producer. We need illegal aliens to pick lettuce. Identified as Ali Muhammad Ali Abdullah, 18, from Liverpool, England. Hamid Mohammed Najee Ibrahim Ayub Yabba dabba. Doing another yabba dabba do all British nationals. According to court documents, Britain is dead. France is dead. Austria is dead. Sweden is dead. New Jersey is dying. Michigan is dying. Canada's dead. Australia is dead. That's right. I bet you didn't hear this from many of the podcasters. I'll be right back. This segment of the podcast is exclusively sponsored by Pure Talk. Pure Talk offers great coverage and can save your family money on your wireless bill every single month. Go to PureTalk.com to find the plan that's right for you. Thank you again for listening and thank you so much for this sponsorship. PureTalk. He's here. He's here now. Broadcasting him from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building, we've once again

Buck Sexton (39:36)

made contact with our leader, Mark Levin.

Mark Levin (39:44)

Hello, America. Mark Levin Here, our number, 8773-8138-1187-7381-3811. Oh, yes, oh yes. Oh yes. We've got Hakeem Jeffries. He's all over the media today. Lying, scheming, undermining. They just are under attack. Excuse me. They're just attacking. They've got absolutely no agenda that the American people want. They have an agenda the American people don't want. And let me be clear, this Scamberger, who is the governor of Virginia, her polls are tanking, even though it's a purple state, really tipping toward a blue state. Her polls are tanking because she lied. And yet the Democrats are her. They're her. They have a lot of people running for office, pretending to be moderate, pretending to want to cut taxes, pretending to support securing the border and on and on and on, who don't support any of that. She's scam burger for a reason. As I said, my nickname. Thank me very much. She's a scam burger. And they're being told, do whatever you have to do, say whatever you have to say, just get elected. We need to take over. Here's Hakeem Jeffries. Cut three. Go.

Buck Sexton (41:17)

A two week cease fire is not sufficient.

Mark Levin (41:23)

Hold on. Not sufficient for what? For what? Go ahead.

Buck Sexton (41:29)

The permanent end to Donald Trump's costly and reckless war of choice.

Mark Levin (41:36)

It's just disgusting. It's just disgusting what these people say. We need a permanent end to Donald Trump's costly and reckless war of choice. So that could be coming out of the mouth of these woke right types. Right? It's not a war of choice, it's a war preemption. Because the enemy is building up, you don't have to wait to be attacked. So tiresome. Go ahead.

Buck Sexton (42:05)

Democrats are committed to bringing about that outcome.

Mark Levin (42:10)

So the Democrats right now would withdraw, they'd leave Iran alone. Nostrajo Hormos would be under their control. The Chinese would come and build up their ballistic missiles and their nuclear missile. We saw what the Democrats would do. He doesn't need to tell us what they would do. We saw what they did. And what they would do is ensure that that regime was heavily funded. Heavily funded. That oil sales would continue and that that regime would exist to continue to slaughter its people and threaten our country. And by the way, threaten not just Israel, but the Arab countries now. So that's the Democrat position. The Democrat position is the Obama position and the Biden position. That's what it is. Give them the nuclear weapons like Obama did, and give them $140 billion like Biden did. That's the official Democrat Party position. Go ahead.

Buck Sexton (43:13)

Upon our return, we will force another vote on the House floor around the War Powers Resolution that will come compel the Trump administration to cease military hostilities.

Mark Levin (43:29)

And if they succeed at that, of course they need the Senate too. But if they succeed at that, the president should say that is unconstitutional and we are not going to adhere to it. And you can take your case to the Supreme Court. We're in the middle of a war. You never took this position under Biden, never in Ukraine. You never took this position under Obama when he was bombing the hell out of Libya and so forth. You never have taken this position under a single Democrat president. And now you take it and you claim that your position, that your position is compelled by the Constitution. No, it's not. And so my advice to the president would be thumb your nose at them, litigate it. Then there's this guy, Representative Ro Khanna. He was on TV yesterday. This guy's a media whore. In fact, he's a, you know what, without the media part. And he's out there desperately trying to draw attention to himself. And he has succeeded. He's on my radar now. He wants a wealth tax. He hates Jews in Israel even though the Hill newspaper and they Hill podcast is run to his defense. But that's just another disaster. He wants Trump impeached or removed by the 25th Amendment. He's a very stupid man when I don't have a story about him. Mr. Producer. Let's see here. Hold on a second. Didn't he make a fortune in office, too? Let's see, let me see here. I got this. Bear with me. Bear with me, America. We're live and national. I'm trying to find it. Hmm. Think you have it, Rich? We're both looking for. We have a whole list of things here. I apologize, folks, but we're gonna. I don't find it soon, I'll move on and then we'll circle back. But I don't see it up there on my. On my list. Maybe I didn't. Anyway, apparently old Roe, not that old, actually made more money faster on stocks than Nancy Pelosi. That's my recollection of the piece. More money and faster. All these guys are frauds and phonies. All these people want to enrich themselves. All these people act like they're self righteous. They are evil and they are narcissistic. That's what they are. Evil and narcissistic. Let's listen to this putz. Ro Khanna. Cut four. Go.

Buck Sexton (46:19)

Are you confident that the US and Iran are on the same page when

Mark Levin (46:22)

it comes to the cease fire? Well, we obviously aren't. But I'm relieved that the President has this ceasefire, that he didn't follow through on his illegal and immoral attempt threat. So it's illegal now to do what's constitutional and it's immoral to try and prevent this regime from slaughtering its own people, spreading terrorism and getting nukes to shoot at our country. This is a guy that has no moral core. He's a relic to the. To the old left. He's unknown throughout the country. So he wants to be a new aoc. He wants to transition to an aoc. That's what he wants. Wants to be an AOC in pants. Although I think she wears pants too. Maybe a dress. I'm not saying he wears a dress. And if he does, that's up to him. But he's a liar and a stooge. That much I do know. We're gonna take a break and we're gonna see if we can find that. We'll be right back. Foreign. I've been working with Pure Talk for six years now. Boy, time flies. I wanted to work with a wireless company that shares my values. Pure Talk is a veteran led company, so helping veterans is their north star. Now they've donated over half a million dollars to America's Warrior Partnership, a fantastic organization that is on the front lines of helping to prevent veteran suicide. And Pure Talk's creating American jobs with a US only workforce. Sure to be a lot cheaper to send jobs overseas like other companies do. But they're committed to delivering the best experience possible for their customers here in the United States. And yes, I love Pure Talk service. They give you the same towers, Same network, same 5G coverage as one of the big guys, but for a fraction of the price. And I choose to do business with a company that shares my values. Your values. Helping support veterans every single day and creating American jobs. How about you go to PureTalk.com lavim to switch to PureTalk. That's PureTalk.com L E V I N to switch to my wireless company, America's wireless company. PureTalk. We found it. Benzinga. Benzinga.com. what is that? How the hell do I know? Apparently it's a financial site. B E N Z I N G A here's the headline must be overseas because it's 2:12am is the time on that. And of course we're. April. Is it April 9th today or 8th? Let's see. It's the 9th. Okay. Nancy Pelosi overtaken by Ro Khanna's 112% AI stock outperformance versus S&P 500. There's a new king, says Anthony Papilliono. No Islamist. He, by the way, Roy Kahana has managed and has emerged as the top performing congressional stock trader in AI related investments. Let's see. During his media horror tour. Let's see if Roy Khanna is asked any question by anybody about this. He's outperformed the S&P 500 and surpassing Nancy Pelosi, according to data highlighted by Anthony Pompliano. On Wednesday, Rohana leads Congress in AI stock outperformance. A Pro Crap Insights. Not Crap cap. Sorry, a Pro Cap Insights analysis of congressional stock disclosure shows Khanna's AI focused trades delivered a staggering, staggering 112.1% excess return over the S&P 500 from January 2024 through April 2026. So here we have a Marxist POS who's run it at the bank. How did he do it? America? I'm certain it's not insider training. That performance far exceeds Pelosi's 38 point. Let me. Let me put this out there, Mr. Producer. Let's do this together, America, shall we? Because this guy Ro Khanna, he's like a stalker that I have to deal with. Hey, Roy. Or Ro, I should call him. Hey Ro. Please explain this. Please explain this extraordinary, extraordinary profit on your AI investments. I mean, at least during one of your. At least during one of your scores of media appearances the last few days with me, Mr. Reducer, it is reported that you are the king of. What is he? The king of stock investments. You're the king of stock profits surpassing Queen Pelosi. Do share your brilliance with the rest of us. What do you think of that, Mr. Producer? Please share your brilliance and technique with the rest of us. Period. I will let you know if this jerk. I mean, if this congressman responds. America. Because we'd all like to take advantage of his genius. I mean, do we actually have to run for Congress to become rich? Do we? Let's go on with the piece, shall we? The data tracks alpha or returns above the broader market specifically tied to investments in artificial intelligence related companies. When I think of Ro Khan, I do think of artificial intelligence. In fact, I think of stupidity. Sharing the data on X Papliano, CEO of Professional Capital Management, wrote Nancy Pelosi, take a seat. There's a new king in town when it comes to Congress members being abnormally good traders. He added that Khanna has, quote, destroyed the S&P 500 since January 2024. The post quickly gained traction online, drawing a brief response From Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, who replied, wow. Yeah, because he knows it's BS too. The outsized returns highlighted in the report could fuel ongoing scrutiny over whether members of Congress should be allowed to trade individual stocks. Look, the issue for me is this member of Congress, how he made such a fantastic profit, way outperforming the S and P and way outperforming queen Nancy Pelosi. How did that happen? How did it happen? The Spider S&P 500 Trust posted a 16.6% gain in 2025, delivering a strong year for investors. But several members of Congress outpaced the benchmark through their stock trades during the same period. You know what? We are surrounded by crooks. That's the bottom line. These are not experts at trading. These are crooks. Now they have legalized their crooked behavior, but they're crooks. According to a report from unusual Wales, Republicans posted average gains of 17.3%, Democrats 14.4%. Notably, the top performing lawmakers delivered returns that were more than double the S&P 500's annual performance. Among the standout traders were Representative Warren Davidson, Republican, Ohio, who led with 78.8%. Followed by Donald Norcross, Democrat, New Jersey, 70.8%. Followed by Terry Swell or Seawell, Democrat, Alabama, 67.9%. But nobody beat Ro Khanna. He had 200, excuse me, 112%.

Buck Sexton (55:18)

Wow.

Mark Levin (55:18)

He led the field because of his genius. As we've heard. We've heard many clips of this man, this absolute brilliance, in fact. Let's see here. Bear with me. Let's do this clip again. Cut forward. Let's see how smart this guy is. Go.

Buck Sexton (55:35)

Are you confident that the US and Iran are on the same page when

Mark Levin (55:38)

it comes to the cease fire? Well, we obviously aren't, but I'm relieved that the President has this ceasefire that he didn't follow. Doesn't he sound like an idiot to you? America sounds like an idiot to me. Has trouble following what's going on in Iran. He's sort of mumbling over his talking points. Staff went over them, I'm sure, very carefully with him. When he asks you this, say that. When he says that, say this. But in any event, he's gotten very, very rich in ways that even Nancy Pelosi, the former speaker, couldn't pull off. This has to be looked at. Congress. 112% on AI stock performance. Way over the S&P 500. Way over. Pelosi, you know, she's like the standard for corruption, in my humble opinion. In my humble opinion. That's all my humble opinion. She was at 38 point something other percent. 38.5% in the same period where this guy was at 112.1%. Excess return over the S&P 500. January 2024 through April 2026. I smell a rat fink. And that rat fink is Ro Khanna in another show that he appears on. If they don't ask him about this and they don't grill him about this, then you know they're complete and utter frauds. Speaking of which, we have Gregory Meeks. One would only hope he was Meek, but he's not. He's a Democrat from New York. He's on the Constipated News Network today. Cut five, go.

Buck Sexton (57:23)

What I think Kushner and Wyckoff has done all over, they have helped make Trump and his friends wealthy because every deal was transactional.

Mark Levin (57:32)

Has anybody asked this man about his friend Ro Khanna? I just wonder if the media are going to follow up on this. I really do. What we know is the two spectacular stock stars in the House of Representatives over the last several years have been Pelosi and Ro Khanna, two Democrats, and this guy, Gregory Meeks. He never asked a question about either of them. Either of them. Now, it's clear if the Democrats take the House, they're going to gun for Wyckoff, they're going to gun for Kushner, obviously for the President, they're going to gun for everybody they can get their hands on. We've seen this before. But when it comes to their own. No, they're Helen Keller. They're Helen Keller. But the Democrats have made clear what they're about. Impeachment, investigations, subpoenas, grand juries, whatever they can do, whatever they can get, the media are going to love it and they hope to pave the way to the 2028 presidential election. That's what they're up to. So they can elect somebody like a scam burger of Virginia who pretends to be one way and is another. By the way, that would be Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania. No different than this scam burger in Virginia. He's a complete fraud. I'll be right back. You know Folks, I've been working with PureTalk for six years now. Boy, time flies. I wanted to work with a wireless company that shares my values. Pure Talk is a veteran led company, so helping veterans is their North Star. They've donated over half a million dollars to America's Warrior Partnership, a fantastic organization that is on the front lines of helping to prevent veteran suicide. And Pure Talk is creating American jobs with a US Only workforce. Sure, it'd be a lot cheaper to send jobs overseas like other companies do, but they're committed to delivering the best experience possible for their customers here in the United States. And yes, I love Pure Talk service. They give you the same towers, Same network, same 5G coverage is one of the big gu, but for a fraction of the price. And I choose to do business with a company that shares my values. Your value. Helping support veterans every single day and creating American jobs. How about you go to PureTalk.com Levin to switch to PureTalk. That's PureTalk.com Levin to switch to my wireless company, America's wireless company, Pure Talk, the Mark Levin show, live and national at 877-381-3811. There's a big story on the debt and. Let me go find that. Bear with me. Count to 12 now. Just bear with me. We'll get this in a minute. Here we go. All right, all right, all right. Of course, when you need it, it's here it is by Fortune. The US government is spending $88 billion a month in interest on national debt, equal to spending on defense and education combined. Combined. The problem with an increasing debt burden is it costs money to maintain it. This is precisely the issue with which the US treasury is wrangling. At present, a total US national debt ticks at 39 trillion. To be truthful, it's closer to 300 trillion. But we've talked about that before. All the unfunded entitlements, the interest payments on that value are eye watering. $529 billion for the first six months of the current fiscal year. So you're looking at over a trillion dollars by the end of the year on interest alone. On interest alone. Bigger than the defense budget and education budget combined. A new budget update from the Congressional Budget Office released yesterday highlights that the government, according to preliminary estimates, paid out the near 530 billion between October of last year. When the fiscal year starts in March, just this past month, that's $88 billion in interest payments a month or $22 billion a week. Now do you understand why I keep talking about diversification that you ought to have some hard assets. Now you understand why I'm talking about the trajectory of silver and gold and how you need to protect your money, your investments, your hard work. The service payments on the public debt are roughly equal to spending for the same period on both the Department of Defense's military budget and the Department of education. Those two outlays contribute the cost of $461 billion and $70 billion, respectively. The net interest payments on public debt are also increasing at a pace. For the same period last year, The treasury paid 497 billion. So it's up $33 billion or more than 7% this coming year. How are we going to get out of this? Well, we may not. Then what? Now I buy gold and I buy the coins and I buy coins that can be used as currency. So it has a double use, in my view, just in case. Now that's not nutty, that's smart. It's not nutty, it's smart. That's why I diversify. The Congressional Budget Office, their report notes service payments increased because the debt was larger than it was in the first half of fiscal year 2025 because higher long term interest rates, declines in short term rates partially mitigated it. But short term rates don't matter over the long haul. That's why they're short term. CBO's latest, by the way, this is one of the reasons the President has these tariffs in place and one of the reasons what the Supreme Court did was not only fail to follow the Constitution and precedent, but they completely undercut his effort to pay down the debt. He didn't create all this debt. Actually, Biden created a lot of it. But nonetheless it just keeps chugging along almost in a rote manner. And one of the reasons he put tariffs in place is to try and start to pay down the debt. Efforts being made to rebalance the books with the likes of President Trump's tariffs playing a role. But the Supreme Court just killed that. The CBO's last monthly update showed that receipts for the first half of the year totaled $2.5 trillion. That's an increase of $223 billion on the same six month period last year. So the problem isn't one of taxes or income. They plenty of taxes and plenty of income. The problem is the outlay. Outlays have also increased. 84 billion and so forth. I won't bore you to death. The update did little to impress the likes of Maya McGinnis, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal budget statement. She said both Congress and the president continue to ignore the urgent need to. That's a lie. The whole point of the tariffs is to rebalance not just our national debt, but the nature of how other countries do business with us. And Trump is trying. He said that. He said that Supreme Court ruling cost us half a trillion dollars, which he wanted to use to pay down some of the debt. Do you know of any other politician who's trying to pay down the debt? Maybe there's a handful in the House or Senate. But that said. Right, the Democrat Party doesn't think the debt exists and they want to spend more, tax more, borrow more. My God, if they get elected, what a disaster. On every frigging level. It's just hard to even imagine, hard to even imagine what these people will do. And they will do it. They don't care. Yeah. Instead now they're trying to actually remove Trump from office. Now, even if they get the votes in the House to impeach, they're not going to the votes to remove unless they have an overwhelming landslide in the Senate because you need 60. But they'll impeach anyway. They don't care. They're trying to destroy his presidency. They're trying to throw a wrench into his progress. They're just trying to do everything they can. Every waking moment they have. And their nightmares and their dreams are, how do we destroy Donald Trump personally and professionally. They come up with their slogans, their one liners, their bizarre arguments, and they'll flip them that he's about to commit genocide. And now, of course, he's a chicken. They'll take the same position under a Democrat. We got to get rid of these nukes and reverse course under. Under Trump. What nukes? What's the problem? What's the problem? It's a big problem. They're the problem. You've got Senator Andy Kim of New Jersey and Representative Seth Moulton, who was a moderate, quote, unquote, in the Massachusetts, out of the Massachusetts political system. He was a moderate, so called in the House. Now he's gone full left wing just like this Ro Khanna. They don't fight it. They don't have any principles. You know, they're not statesmen. They're not a John Fetterman who stands up to this stuff. No, they want to get ahead of it, so they abandon everything they've ever said or believed in. Gregory Meeks, there's another loser. Just terrible. I'll be right back. 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How about you go to PureTalk.com Lavin to switch to PureTalk. That's PureTalk.com Levin to switch to my wireless company, America's wireless company, Pure Talk. We'll get started. We'll have to carry this over to hour three, our power hour. Here we have Marjorie Traitor Gangrene on with Alex Jones. Together they have an IQ of a hamster. Cut 10. Go. We have to be realistic about the Republican Party. The Republican Party needs burned to the ground. It's completely controlled. As a matter of fact, much of Congress is controlled by AIPAC and by Zionists and that is a thing. Do you believe this? So the Congress, the Republicans, are controlled by the Jews. How racist and anti Semitic is that? How, how stupid is that? I just think about it. Israel's an ally. They're fighting side by side with our soldiers, our airmen, our sailors. They're a democracy. When you open the Bible, the Holy Land is Israel. So we have a special connection with that country. Many of us, our faiths have a special connection with that country. If you're Christian or Jewish or not, it's only normal, rational that we would have a close connection with that country. And she says that because we have a close connection that the Jews control Congress. Seriously, go ahead. You, the American people don't control your own government. And those you elect, they're controlled by donors that have one specific interest and that is Israel. All right, that's enough. That's enough. This woman says she's maga. She's been officially removed. What Donald Trump did today in calling out four specific individuals, and I'm sure he could call out more, is to do what William F. Buckley did with the John Birch Society with Pat Buchanan and others. He deplatformed them. Well, you can't deplatform and cancel people. We don't believe in cancel culture. We sure as hell do. When people are Nazis or neo Nazis or when they just say the dumbest damn things that are damaging to the president and the presidency. Of course you can deplatform them or cancel them. We're not required to embrace them or listen to them. The president has thrown them out of maga. He's made it abundantly clear it's a movement Donald Trump started and none of them contributed to it. You want to know the truth? They benefited from it. Cut 11 more of Marjorie Trader Gangrene. Go. All the things that happened. We supported him through thick and thin and that. No, you hung on to him. You used to hang out at Mar A Largo. You would hang out with him. Carlson couldn't show up at enough of his golfing events and his UFC appearances. They all wanted to go on Air Force One. I've never been on Air Force One. And the president even said, mark, you got to take a trip with me one of these days. I might, but it's not. These people are like complete social animals with an emphasis on animals. They want to be seen with him. They like the trappings of the presidency. They want him to pick up the phone every time they call. They want to go to the White House over and over again. They want to be at Mar a Lago, they want to be on the jet. They want to this. They want to. And then they pretend by them grifting off the president that the president needed them. How many of you voted for Donald Trump because of Marjorie Trader gangrene? None of you. How many voted for Donald Trump because of traitor Tucker Carlson? None of you. How many you voted for Donald Trump because of Alex Fat Ass Jones? None of you. And I can go down the list. How many of you know who David Smith is? Nobody. Nobody. They're known in a little bubble, in a little world on the Internet. And they think they're so important. They're not important, Period. Go ahead, please. Glue people to think. They have to support them through anything and everything. And that's wrong. That's not true, is it? The vice president, before he was vice president, before he was a Senate candidate, said some very awful things about the president. Now he's vice president. Katarlson said some very horrendous things about the president. They came out in these texts. And not until recently has the president distanced himself from him because he's A nut, that's why. And you go right down the list. Right down the list. He's actually very, very loyal. They're disloyal and most of all, they're disloyal to you. How many of you have bought their products? How many of you have subscribed to their program? How many of you got sucked in by these people? All of us. Right. All of us. Well, they're taking a different path and we ain't going there. I'll be right back. His operation Epic Fury intensifies the world braces for what's to come next. And people of faith pray for freedom and for God's people in the Holy Land to be protected. And in the Holy Land. Red alert sirens fill the air. 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Buck Sexton (75:30)

building, we've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Levin.

Mark Levin (75:39)

Hello, America. Mark Levin here, our number on the power hour. 8773-8138-1187-7381-3811. So I've been waiting for this. I'm like a kid in a candy store, toy store. I haven't even told Mr. Producer. So I have an especially large American flag, Mr. Producer, for my lapel when I do my TV show and my Liberty's Voice video podcast. It's about five times as big as the typical flag lapel pin and it's beautiful. It's made of rubies and sapphires and diamonds and 18 karat gold. You don't sound Impressed, Rich? I didn't wear it today. I'm gonna wear it for Saturday and Sunday on Life, Liberty and Levin. And I'm holding it in my hand and it's so impressive that probably while I'm doing the show on Saturday. Hold on now. There's my beautiful wife. Come over here, sweetheart. Hello, America. Hello, America. Say hello. Better. Hello, America. How are you? What. What day is it? It's Thursday. Can you believe that? By the way, that's a beautiful blouse. I haven't seen you for about seven or eight hours. We both work. We're both working for a living. She's the general counsel of America First Legal Foundation. And you love it, don't you? I love it. And guess what? Come to the mic. We started a podcast. Oh, you did? We did. And it's called the arena with America First Legal. The Arena. And your group was founded by Stephen Miller, correct? It was co founded by Stephen Miller and Gene Hamilton. Gene Hamilton, who we've had on the program, is great. He's really great. Very, very, very smart. We have a lot of very smart and dedicated attorneys at afl. You're pretty smart yourself, you know. Well, everything I do goes through you. I don't sign a damn thing, no contracts or anything, without her looking at you. Want to know why? Number one, you're smart as hell. Number two, I'm bored looking at that stuff. I'm there with the Constitution, my head's in the clouds. And she said, well, clause three, section five, little A. Did you see this? Of course not. Right? That is a true statement. All right, beautiful. I love you. Give me a kiss. Okay. See you later, America. All right. Do you like this flag? I don't think you've ever seen this. It's beautiful. I'm gonna start wearing this on Fox. I think you should. Have you ever seen this? I have not. I hid it from you. Well, did you hear that, America? I hid it from her. Yes, but I'm going to wear it on Fox. I don't mean on Fox. I'm going to wear it on myself on Fox. You know what I mean? So it's. In fact, it's so big and heavy, it might pull the lapel down. Mr. Producer, we're going to make it work. We're going to make it work. Our man Dave Patterouche and Josh Trump Power. They know. They know how to do this, don't they? And they'll work with Rich. All three of them. Three of them. Pretty smart. Very smart. All right, let's go back to Marjorie Traitor gangrene. On with Alex Bankrupt Jones. Bankrupt because of decisions made as a result of the horrendous shooting and murder these little kids, among others, in Connecticut. I think he said it was a false flag operation. I'm not sure you can Google it, but these are the kind of low lives we're dealing with. These are the kind of low lives we're dealing with. And they'll turn on a dime if they think they can grift off of something. Right, Alex? Alex, what do you think, Alex? Yeah. Yeah. What do you do? Infowars. That's right. We're the only ones that are the truth. Here. Pass the booze.

Buck Sexton (79:45)

Well, yeah.

Mark Levin (79:46)

Give me some. Yeah, give me that sandwich. Bologna sandwich. Yeah. That's what I want. I can't do Marjorie Trader Greene. She's kind of got a butchy voice, but it's just not one I can do. It's not one I would practice. I don't practice any of them, of course, but it's not one I would do. Who's that guy that does Tucker so well? What is that guy's name online? You remember Mr. Ami Kovac? I think we got to get him on this show. He is so good. Can you find him? Rich? You think Rich can find anybody? Let's go back to Marjorie Traitor gangrene. Cut 11. Go. All the things that happened. We supported him through thick and thin. And we supported him. And if it wasn't for me, Marjorie Traitor Gangrene, he never would have been elected. 99.9% of the world doesn't have the foggiest idea who the hell this woman is. And the media used to hate her. They used to mock her for the fool that she is. But now they platform her on the View, on cnn, on Ms. Now and everywhere else. She's so smart now. Go ahead. Glued people to think they have to support him through anything and everything. Nobody said that. Nobody said that, moron. Nobody has ever said that. It's different if you have a difference of opinion. You stab him in the back repeatedly. You attack his character, you attack his. His lifestyle. You attack him relentlessly. And now you're playing victim. You notice they all play victim. All of these fools, buffoons, reprobates, miscreants. Malka. They all play victim. Oh, he's out to get me. Oh, the Jews are coming for me. The Zionist Christians. I don't know. What are we gonna do? Go ahead. Absolutely wrong. The American people have to open their eyes and notice how she speaks for and to the American people. She's on Alex Jones. What's he have, 12 listeners. Viewers. Mr. She's talking to the American people, for the American people. This is a quitter. She quit Congress, but just in time to get her full pension, even though she's worth millions and nobody figured out how she did that. It's okay, Marjorie. You're just fantastic. We don't know who the hell you are. We don't know what the hell you stand for. You don't know what the. Just remember what she said prior to the break. Burn down the Republican Party. We're going to burn down the Republican Party. She sounds like a mental patient. Literally like a mental patient. Just like, I mean, you got Alex Jones interviewing Marjorie Trader gangrene. Do they not sound like mental patients? Yeah, that's right, Marjorie. Actually, they sound like each other, now that I think about it. Go ahead with reality and deal with truth. And the truth is, look, you may have supported President TRUMP For 10 years like I did, like you have, but this is not the same man. But I turned on him and I stabbed him in the back. And I insist that you join me, America, all three of you viewers out there. I really do. I insist on it. And who are you? She's a nobody and never has been and never will be. Here's the bottom line. She wanted to run for the Senate in the Republican primary. She wanted Donald Trump's support. He said, you can't win. I'm not going to do that. So she turned on him, turn on him and started attacking him, undermining him, stabbing him in the back over and over and over again. And finally he reacted. He didn't change. She's a buffoon. Anybody who watches Alec Jones and thinks about what he did about that horrendous mass murder in Connecticut, you need to check your own morals and ethics. Then you got Kitarlson. This guy's gone from a rock rib conservative Republican to a guy that's promoting Sharia law. Now, that doesn't just happen unless you have a very severe head accident. But that doesn't just happen. Nobody believes that just happens. You go from loving Israel to hating Israel to loving Qatar to loving Iran to loving Putin. That's not normal. None of these people are normal. Bannon Bannon's a crook. He's confessed to being a crook. Just saying, ladies and gentlemen. Just saying. I'll be right back. Mud Lovin Foreign. With Donald Trump back in office, one of his biggest adversaries, top Democrat Dick Durbin of Chicago, is leading the charge to derail President Trump's agenda at every turn. And now Durbin has a new scheme, a government takeover of your credit card. Right now, Americans have thousands of credit card options, all with equal strong security. But Senator Durbin's plan could result in less security. That means more risk for your credit, your identity and your financial future. Durbin's bill isn't about helping consumers. It's a giveaway to corporate megastores, which could shift costs onto you while putting your rewards and fraud protections in jeopardy. We've seen Durbin's fail policies before his last big banking regulation backfired, leading to higher costs and fewer benefits for American families. 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Buck Sexton (86:02)

I'm great, Mark. Thank you so much for having me on. The king of conservative books. I get an audience with the man himself. I am very honored.

Mark Levin (86:10)

Well, you're very kind. You have a great background here. I want everyone knows who you are. But just in case, you worked at the CIA, right?

Buck Sexton (86:19)

Yeah. So I joined the CIA right out of college post 9 11. I was part of that generation of Americans who decided to try to serve a lot, obviously went into the military and served in uniform. I went right into the Agency out of college and in the book, actually manufacturing Delusion for the first time, Mark, I got the agency obviously had to clear everything through them and that took about six months beyond, you know, what I thought it would. But I cleared everything, including my first deployment to Nigeria doing counterterrorism work as a kid in his 20s. So it was quite a time, my friend. The G wat, as we called it was quite a time.

Mark Levin (86:57)

But that's very patriotic. And did you explain to the yard, did you work at the headquarters at all in Virginia?

Buck Sexton (87:05)

Yeah, I was based on a Langley for the most part. So I was part of the Directorate of Intelligence and working in at first the Counterterrorism center, which was the Nigeria mission, and then I worked in the Iraq office and then the Afghanistan office. So I served in Iraq and Afghanistan respectively as part of those, part of those offices. So I mean, it was a fascinating time. Obviously it was a Bush administration and then into the Obama administration. And I gotta say there's some lessons and some thoughts that come to bear today, obviously from all of that and, and Certainly dealing with crazies in the Middle East. That hasn't changed very much.

Mark Levin (87:44)

No. And you can feel your knowledge and experience throughout this book. It's very, very important. The book's called Manufacturing Delusion. You can get it on Amazon.com, any major bookstore. Manufacturing Delusion, which is really crucially important. It's about propaganda and brainwashing, indoctrination. What motivated you to write this book?

Buck Sexton (88:05)

So it came out of a Covid, really, because I looked around and, Mark, you know, I would listen to your show during COVID and I would listen to voices of people who were. Who were saying things that were not just. Not just correct or even rational, but sane. And there was such a clear push of millions of people in this country into the grips of mass hysteria, mass delusion, mass formation, psychosis. You know, oh, put the mask on before you go to the table at the restaurant, but then sit at the table and take the mask off or on the plane, mask up between bites, or. I mean, we could go through this. We. You do hours and hours on just this, right? But I said, you know, it's not just Covid, because, you know, the publisher, to their credit, they're like, look, we don't need another Covid book. We don't need that. I said, no, no, it's not about that, though. It's also the delusions of people who think that climate change is going to destroy the planet, or the delusions of people who think that Israel is the great evil that is behind everything going on in the world, in the Middle east, here, wherever. Or the delusions of people who think that the BLM movement is somehow representative or its criticisms are representative of law enforcement more broadly. These are all delusions. And they're pushed. They're manufactured delusions, which is how we came up with the title for the book, using the same kind of playbook, Mark, the same totalitarian propaganda tactics, if you will, that the Soviets use that Communist Chinese and. And there have been some brilliant psychiatrists, information warfare experts, people in that field throughout the 20th century who looked at these tactics in those totalitarian societies and then said, hey, guys, yeah, we don't have a gulag here in the west. But there are these tactics that are used to also control your mind. You have to see things like isolation, identity. Identity construction. There's menticide is one of the chapters in the book, which is the killing of the mind. All these different things that are done to people to get them to believe the stuff that we all can recognize is crazy. And I know everyone listening remembers people during COVID but also Democrats in general. I mean, men cannot have vaginas, Mark. We all know this, right? But the Democrats do not know this. So that's another chapter, by the way,

Mark Levin (90:28)

although there's some I've talked about I think who do. But that's a whole nother story. Yeah, this is a great book. And I'll tell you one of the things I really got out of this book. It makes you much more aware when this is being done to you because I think the vast majority of people, you know, they're living their lives and so forth, they don't expect this sort of thing to happen, but it does happen. I feel like the Democrat Party in particular is really expert at this kind of brainwashing that you're talking about. No?

Buck Sexton (90:58)

Oh, absolutely. One of the things that, that comes up again going, this isn't just me saying, oh, they're brainwashing because they're making stuff up. I really want to look at, look at the, the psychological processes. So, so I start with Pavlov. Fascinating guy. I mean, someone that. I think people should go back and yeah, people hear, they'll say, oh, the bell and the dog and this and the salivation. And it was actually much more than that. And Pavlov was a Nobel laureate scientist. He was the most preeminent scientist of the Russian and then Soviet era. And they knew that. Lenin knew it, Stalin knew it, and they tried to leverage his brilliance for their own purposes, basically saying, hey, we have the best scientists because we're the most scientific regime. Right? And then we had all the five year plans and the, and the extermination of, of the, of various classes that they viewed as enemies. Anyway, I could get on originally, Mark. The book was like 60, 60 pages deep on the Pavlov chapter. And they had to cut a bunch of it out, as you can see. I get, I get passionate about this, but there's one thing I just want to share with your audience is a story again into the book Dogs that he was conditioning. Conditional reflex is actually what Pavlov called it because he was looking at the way that the brain and the body interact. And so can you do something as a stimulus to get a physical reaction from a person such that you could control actions in the body without them even knowing or wanting to do it. And there was a flood and the dogs almost drowned in 1924 in St. Petersburg at Pavlov's lab. And what fascinated him and then became kind of an obsession afterwards was Some of the conditioning that had been done over years to the dogs because of extreme trauma of thinking for hours they're going to drown as the water is slowly rising, their conditioning is gone. And so all of a sudden these dogs that they had done all this work with in some cases actually became quite docile. If they had been more aggressive or they became aggressive if they had been docile. There were major personality changes.

Mark Levin (92:50)

Changes.

Buck Sexton (92:51)

So what this did was a light went off and unfortunately the Soviets caught onto this, of course, Lenin and the others. Hey, you know, if we keep people in a constant state of fear, if we keep the constant psychological pressure on, we can effectively rewire the masses. And then that goes on in China with the Maoist revolution and what they did with their thought reform. And so, Mark, there's a lot of history. I mean, I've read all of your books, so I know you like history. There's a lot of of history in this book, Manufacturing Delusion, that people will learn that. I think though, I mean, where does the term brainwashing even come from? Most people just use it. They don't realize that it's a reference to what the Chinese were doing in the 1960s. This is not that far back, folks.

Mark Levin (93:33)

This is really a great book. It's very intriguing and compelling. You're going to learn a ton. I encourage you to get it. Amazon.com, manufacturing Delusion, how the left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda against, you know, to be perfectly honest, Buck Sexton, I've read a lot from Hannah Arendt. I've read a lot from, you know, the developers of propaganda and so forth and so on in the twenties and there. But I learned a lot more from your book, believe it or not, because the swath of what you cover in here, and I can see where this book could be twice as long, was absolutely incredible. And so when you're watching what the Democrats say, or you're watching how certain media figures conduct themselves, or you're watching the propaganda from some hostile country, you start to click into various chapters that you have here. Was that your intention?

Buck Sexton (94:22)

That was 100% the intention. It really. And that's very kind of you, by the way. And I put, you know, nothing another, from one guy to another, I actually wrote every word of this book. I know you write every word of your books. Others don't, don't go.

Mark Levin (94:35)

I got a heartbreak pick up where you're leaving off. If you would, folks, during the break. Go to Amazon.com, manufacturing delusion you're gonna love this book. How the left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you. Buck is the real deal and he's smart and he writes his own books and we like that. We'll be right back.

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It's a great book, folks. Manufacturing Delusion. You get on Amazon.com right now, any major bookstore. How the left uses brainwashing, Indoctrination and propaganda against you. Let's hit this one word brainwashing, because you spend some time on it in the book with Edward Hunter, who was Edward Hunter, and what did he mean by this word?

Buck Sexton (96:28)

So he was an American journalist and he coined the term, or he's credited with coining the term brainwashing, which is now, as we know, just in our lexicon. And people referred it all the time, but it was a neologism. It was essentially an inversion of the Mandarin for what the Chinese Communists were doing at the time for wash brain. So it was wash brain. And then he said, well, it's brainwashing. And he came up with this. But, you know, the Chinese actually had their own term for it. I mean, they didn't call it that. That was what some of the people who have been subjected to it, you know, their friends would say, oh, he's had a washed brain. But they called it thought reform. And thought reform is a very specific Process really built on a framework of, of Soviet brainwashing. And by the way, all of the totalitarianisms. What's so interesting is have many of these things in common. Yes, the extreme violence and the suppression and the censorship. But if they try to indoctrinate people the step by step process. Because you know, the communists, we're talking about communist brainwashing for the most part. The way that they do this follows a pretty specific playbook. So I get into that. There's a chapter in manufacturing Delusion on brainwashing specifically or on thought reform, I should say. But Mark, you know, one of the things I thought was so interesting was there's such a focus, for example on even if they know you don't believe it, getting you to repeat the lie over and over, getting you to confess to things you didn't do. One of the fascinating case studies of some of the people subject. And by the way, I want to like get to. In the book I always take these things and by the end of the chapter I'm like, this is what you're seeing this today, folks in media on campuses with the Democrat Party, with the BLM movement in the streets. The tactics are borrowed from these totalitarians. But you know, when you're looking at for example the forced confession or the role of confession and the brainwashing they would have in these Chinese communist cells during thought reform, they would have other agents of the communists in there with you and they would be essentially shouting at you and you know, you did all these terrible things and they'd make you write out a confession. And usually the people would think, okay, they broke me, I'm writing out my confession. It's no, that's not enough. You're not sincere enough. They would say, and they'd make you go through it and write it out over and over again until it got crazier and crazier because this is a way to unmoor you, to undermine. Now people say, what does this have to do with me, Buck? Or what's going on today? Oh, I don't know. When you're on a college campus and they're sitting there telling all the kids all the time America is a horrible racist place. And you have to write the these papers and you have to agree with this and you have to go along with this party line. They people that want you, that want to mold your mind or coerce your mind. Coercive persuasion is another way of talking about this. That's kind of the, the term of art, Mark, for the psychiatric Community for this. They won't say brainwashing because that's scary. They'll say coercive persuasion and these tactics. Fire hose of falsehood is one way to describe this forced confession. Those are things that are being done to people and aren't. Look at the land. Acknowledgments. I mean, I don't know, I'm not sure. Are you on Seminole land right now or Iroquois land? Or you. You could tell me, but you could start every show, right, With. With this? Yeah. Who knows? With this apology. Why do they do the forced apology? It is a bending of the knee. It is a confession of your sins to the left wing deity that they create here, which is the state is all in one. You know, sort of like an argument you would see in Liberty and Tyranny, for example. But anyway, yes, this is. This is the elevation of a state above all things. And what I'm so concerned about these days is when I wrote the book, it was so clear that the left had a whole range of these. And I lay them out right. The gender stuff. The gender stuff is insane. Notice how though they'll say it's just about courtesy, just use the preferred pronouns, just go along with the lie a little bit. But then you realize over time, we're all propagating this lie. And even if you don't believe it now, you're a part of this system. Right. So there are those things. But the right has started to get

Mark Levin (100:35)

a little crazy too. The right is starting to get a little kooky.

Buck Sexton (100:38)

People ask me, why didn't you write about that in the book and give that warning? I'm like, look, this is a warning for everybody. Because Manufacturing Delusion lays out how the worst tyrants, the worst regimes in history, and also, by the way, jihadists, which is something I studied very closely when I was in the CIA. You know, how do they convince someone who's living in a suburb of London to strap a suicide bomb on himself and go blow himself up in Iraq when he's never even been there before? These same processes and pathways. But the right has started to fall victim to this on the fringe a little bit. And so it's. This is for me, this is how a society implodes from the inside. This is how things can get really ugly really quickly. So I view the book as a warning. And the author of the Rape of the Mind, who is actually a fellow named Jost Mirlub, who was an information warfare specialist, fled the Nazis Second World War in the Netherlands. He was Jewish. He Changed his name to Jost. And then he went to the UK and was part of the Dutch army in exile there. And he studied the Nazis. How did the Nazis do this to Germany? Very much, by the way, like Hannah Arendt you mentioned, or just of totalitarianism was necessary for me to read for this book. And one thing that he was very clear on was he said, look, they did this in Nazi Germany. They're doing this in the Soviet Union, and they've taken it to the extreme, but in smaller levels and in smaller ways. They can do this in Western countries too. And he was writing that in the 50s.

Mark Levin (102:03)

And it's being done right in front of our eyes, is it not? That's the point.

Buck Sexton (102:07)

It absolutely is. That is the point. And we're seeing this now. The indoctrination stuff has gotten to a point. I mean, the gender stuff, I think, is where people have finally woken up. When you're actually seeing scientists, and I guess we have to call them scientists because technically their backgrounds, who will go on TV and say, it's not established, not proven. And you can even name some of the people I'm talking about not proven, that men have a biological advantage in the main in general over women in athletics.

Mark Levin (102:36)

That's crazy.

Buck Sexton (102:37)

But really, it's about erasing gender distinction, which has been, as you know, a Marxist obsession for as long as there has been Marxism to make a uniformity of everyone. Like, we're all widgets that just go in the big machine that can be totally controlled. And isolation is another one of the tactics, by the way, isolating us. Now people say, I talk about isolating in communist thought reform jail cells or the North Koreans and how they do this to people to try to bring brain, brainwash them. But isolation, Hannah Arendt wrote, can also be something called atomized subjects. These are people within our broader society who, yeah, they're physically around people, but because of the ideological forces on them, because of the constant propaganda, the constant indoctrination, they feel like they are entirely apart from. They feel like they are. And this is of course, part of the radicalization process. They feel like they're individuals who are separated from. And this is why, you know, people ask, well, how do I use this? How do I learn this? When people want to separate you from your faith, your history, your family, you know, who you are, when their belief system or when their, their political agenda starts messing with that stuff, then, you know, then. Then that's always the big bright red sign with a hammer and sickle going through it. That you got a real problem here. And it's being done by the left in our country and we could sit and talk about all the different ways. So I find that also in the era of AI and now the new era of. Because remember the mass formation psychosis of the 20th century, you had mass psychosis coinciding with mass media. And Mark, I have to say, unfortunately, the radio in the wrong hands can be very Mao. Of course, you know, the Nazis, the Soviets, the radio, they understand mass media is a critical component of this program, of this way of. Of shaping and coercing belief. And now with AI and TikTok and you know, the thing in China and everything else, we have to be really on guard from global influences affecting us here at home and going after our kids, which they clearly want to do, and trying to create dissension and disunity from within, in. In our midst by just doing this via electrons, you know, via. Via the Internet and the platforms that exist. And AI can fake so much now, too. It's making it all, you know, the future of mass psychosis, I think, unfortunately, is one we have to be very prepared to fight against, because once you get a society going nuts, we all know there is no bottom. And I worry. And the left in this country is. Has the left ever been more unhinged? Mark, you've been doing this longer than me. I don't think so.

Mark Levin (105:23)

No. It's crazy. This is a great book, folks. Manufacturing Delusion, how the left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda against you. You're going to learn a lot. There's a lot of history in here, too. We're talking to Buck Sexton, you know that. And I notice in the book your focus on Stalin, because Stalin did things in such a way that other dictators would. Would kind of pick from him. Right. In order to try and do the same thing.

Buck Sexton (105:50)

Oh, absolutely. First of all, one of the more interesting things in the research when I was doing this for the book was looking at the whole notion of a secret police force that would do your bidding and would essentially liquidate your enemies. You can take that back to Ivan the terrible in the 16th century in the Oprichniki, who he created, Ivan. And by the way, you know, Stalin was very aware of this history, right? I mean, you know, Joseph Dugashbili, which was Stalin's name before he took on, you know, his sort of nom de guerre. He was very aware of that particular period of history because of its importance for Russia. And so Stalin's cult of Personality. And really, by the way, it started with Lenin. Stalin took it over. Lenin was, was the, was the original. And then Stalin put it on steroids, if you will, and obviously went forward with the mass liquidations. Fascinating little details about this that come out, though. I mean, his level of demagoguery, he wanted always to tell. He was everywhere, the posters were everywhere, and everyone had to be, you know, talking about how great he was. He always wanted, though, there to be these stories planted about how he didn't want any, any of this attention.

Mark Levin (107:00)

Mark.

Buck Sexton (107:00)

Oh, no, Comrade Stalin, he's a very humble guy. He's. He hates, he hates all these people talking about him because they were forcing everyone to live by lies. I mean, to borrow from Solzhenitsyn, who of course told us all to live not by lies. And one of the most important speeches, I think, given by any dissident in the 20th century. So Stalin's processes on this were so important. And I got into the show trials, by the way, an era that people should know or, you know, that should be much better taught. And I was taught in schools these days. God knows what they're teaching in some of the schools. But. But Moshkovsky and the show trials. Why, Mark, have show trials when you can just liquidate these guys, right? I mean, did they could have just put them to taking them out back? And now, by the way, they did kill basically all of them. But they wanted to go through this process first and they wanted to show people that they could break individuals so thoroughly that they would beg for their own execution in public after committing to crimes that everyone, including the prosecutors, knew they had not committed. But that was the level of menticide, you know, murder of the mind or brainwashing that Stalin and his goons and his machinery of human destruction were able to achieve. And then of course, the Chinese took that and ran with it, and North Korea took it and ran with it. And if you just look at the way the left operates in this country, there are so many, of course there you wrote American Marxism. There's so much crossover with Marxist theory and belief with the American left today. They are effectively Marxists. They also recognize, I mean, Alinskyite tactics. And Gustav Le Bon writing about how the crowd acts like an animal that has its many bodies but one mind. Alinsky understood this and knew that if you could understand crowd psychology, you could mobilize these people for the purposes of politics, using slogans, using chants and signs, and all the stuff that we see

Mark Levin (109:00)

with the purple haired weirdos with the

Buck Sexton (109:02)

nose Rings at all the protests, all the time at the no Kings protest. So all of these different pathways take us down, unfortunately, a road to destruction in hell. And it's so important to see whether it is the tactic of isolation, whether it is identity construction, which is just another way of talking about radicalization, indoctrination, essentially looking at phobia. By the way, I haven't even talked about forced phobia. Again, borrowing from the. The psychiatric literature on this, Mark, we're all going to die from climate change unless you let these communist lunatic greens do whatever they want to do. Right. Well, I mean, this is crazy, but now you have people who are getting interviews to the New York Times saying, I won't have kids because of the CO2 footprint.

Mark Levin (109:47)

All right, I'm gonna do something I've never done. Mr. Producer, let's bring Buck back next week and I'm gonna tell you why. Buck, I didn't know you well. You're sharp as hell. This is a subject that I find absolutely fascinating, and the extent of your knowledge on it and the depth of it is very, very important to me. And I think this book is very, very important to awaken as many people as possible because this is swirling around us every damn day. Manufacturing delusion, how the left uses brainwashing, indoctrination, and propaganda against you. I would encourage you strongly go to Amazon.com any major bookstore, and we'll see if we can't figure out how to get Buck back here next week. Because I want to discuss other aspects of this book. Really good job. Really good job, Mark.

Buck Sexton (110:32)

Thank you so much. Honored to come back anytime, and I really appreciate you, sir.

Mark Levin (110:36)

Thank you. Likewise, likewise. God bless. And I'm not kidding. This is a great book. Excuse me. And, you know, I read. This is what I do. I read, I read and I read some more. I'm a nerd. This is a great book. Manufacturing Delusion. Amazon.com Grab it now. We'll talk about it again next week because I think this is a very, very critical topic. And I think Buck is smart as hell. Sharp as hell. I'm glad to. Glad to have had him on. What do I owe you, Mr. Producer? Okay, sorry about that. We'll be right back. Mud love in. I like smart people and I like smart books. And that's Buck Sexton's book. So I encourage you to get a copy of that. We're back next week. That's how impressed I was. And we're gonna have Elise Stefanik on Saturday. She has a great book and a great story to tell as she's retiring from the House of Representatives. But tonight is Bucks night, so go to Amazon.com I encourage you to grab a copy. You're really gonna really gonna appreciate it. I think we're out of time. Boy, did this show fly by. We salute our armed forces, police officers, firefighters, emergency personnel, ice, certainly our men and women in Iran in that area, and God bless each and every one of you. Take care.