9/29/25 - Israel vs. Hamas: The Stakes of Trump's Peace Plan

Summary

Mark Levin Podcast Summary

Episode: "Israel vs. Hamas: The Stakes of Trump’s Peace Plan"

Date: September 30, 2025
Host: Mark Levin
Topics: Trump’s Israel-Hamas Peace Proposal, Middle East politics, US foreign policy, media narratives

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Overview

This episode centers on the unveiling and analysis of President Trump’s new peace plan addressing the Israel-Hamas conflict. Mark Levin meticulously dissects the plan’s provisions, offering his perspective on its strengths, likely outcomes, and contrasts with prior peace efforts. The episode also explores shifting US political stances, the trustworthiness of Middle Eastern actors, the role of American media, and broader ideological battles involving Israel, anti-Semitism, and conservatism in America.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Initial Context and Framing (02:06–03:20)

• Mark Levin opens with cautious optimism about Trump’s peace plan, noting it presents two stark choices: Hamas surrenders, or Israel, with US and some Arab backing, destroys Hamas.
• He stresses that most prior sticking points—like Israel being pressured to limit actions in Judea and Samaria (West Bank)—have been removed from the final deal.
• Quote:

  “There is no grant of a Palestinian state in the deal… The language is such that it requires a complete transformation of the Palestinian culture and ideology, which unfortunately is highly unlikely.”
  (Mark Levin, 03:40)

2. Plan Specifics and Levin’s Analysis (05:00–12:00)

• No Immediate Palestinian State: Previous drafts hinted at “statehood,” but the final version only suggests this could occur “if” Palestinians fundamentally reform—something Levin finds highly unlikely.
• Clear Security Guarantees:
  • Israel can resume military operations with full US backing if Hamas violates the deal.
  • Hostages are to be released within 72 hours.
  • Hamas must fully disarm or be disarmed.
• Credit to Leadership:
  • Levin commends both Trump and Netanyahu:

    “The President deserves enormous credit for his effort here… The Prime Minister of Israel deserves enormous credit…”
    (05:45–06:00)

• On Israeli Resolve:
  • Rebuts claims of Israeli “weakness.”
  • Asserts Netanyahu is attacked from all sides because "he is effective… he’s a great leader.”
    (07:39)

3. Broader Geopolitical Layers (10:00–12:00)

• Levin situates the plan within perpetual Middle East instability:
  • Radical ideologies remain, hostages are now politically central.
  • The plan puts substantial responsibilities on Arab states and the Palestinians themselves.
• He doubts Arab states will comply but frames the plan as an ultimatum—“this is your final chance.”

4. The Plan’s 21-Point Framework: Reading and Commentary (20:50–35:00)

• Detailed walk-through of Trump’s peace plan, highlighting the most salient features:

  • Gaza to become a de-radicalized, terror-free zone
  • Immediate humanitarian redevelopment for Gazans
  • Staged Israeli withdrawal only if all terms are met, especially release of hostages
  • Prisoner swaps—emphasizes Jewish priorities around recovering bodies
  • Amnesty for Hamas members who disarm and agree to peaceful coexistence
  • Temporary technocratic governance, specifically excluding Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (PA)
  • Aid distribution via the UN and Red Crescent
  • Creation of an international oversight body called the "Board of Peace", to be chaired by Trump, with figures like Tony Blair involved
  • Heavy obligations on regional actors and the PA, with triggers and mechanisms to roll back the plan if compliance fails

• Levin’s Verdict:

  “A lot of this is meaningless to me because it relies on terrorists not to be terrorists… If the Palestinian Authority ceases to be the Palestinian Authority, then it may be the basis for discussing a state. May.”
  (28:04–28:15)

5. President Trump and Netanyahu Speak (41:54–51:34)

• Trump’s Press Conference Highlights:
  • Hostages to be released quickly
  • Arab states given written obligations to demilitarize Gaza
  • If Hamas refuses, Israel can "finish the job" with US backing
  • Introduces "Board of Peace," which he will chair
  • Emphasizes: "Nobody’s been better to Israel than Donald Trump."
• Notable Quote:

  “[Hamas] either surrenders or Israel continues to destroy it with US support. That’s the point.”
  (44:24)

• Netanyahu’s Remarks:
  • Endorses Trump’s plan as consistent with Israel’s principles:
    1. All hostages return
    2. Hamas disarmed
    3. Gaza demilitarized
    4. Israel retains security perimeter
    5. Civil Gaza administration not run by Hamas/PA

6. Media, Leaks, and Political Undercurrents (13:09–19:03; 70:20–74:36)

• Levin details reports of White House leaks criticizing Netanyahu, particularly via Axios and Mediaite (journalists “on payroll of Islamists or want to be”).
• Critiques both left- and right-wing voices who, in his view, undermine Israel.
• Echoes conservative resentment of “elite” US media’s anti-Israel stances and allegations of growing anti-Semitism in progressive and isolationist circles.

7. Audience Engagement & Broader Culture Wars (63:36–69:12; 98:10–110:34)

• Example discussed: NY mayoral candidate who refuses to label Hamas as terrorists, which Levin calls disqualifying.
• Levin rails against Democratic push for a Palestinian state without preconditions, quoting Sen. John Fetterman rejecting such a suggestion as "reward for Hamas."
• Discusses, with callers, the semantic and practical irrelevance of references to "peaceful coexistence"—the challenges are about compliance and verification, not platitudes.

8. Calls, Listeners, and Closing Reflections (98:10–111:38)

• Interacts with callers skeptical of certain plan language, ultimately reiterating his point:

  “The Arabs and Muslims have the responsibility to literally demilitarize Gaza. That’s a big responsibility. Let’s see if they can do it.”

• Emphasizes the plan is a “calling of the bluff”—if the Palestinians won’t meet the plan’s requirements, nothing is lost, and Israel’s hand is strengthened.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If the Palestinian Authority met those conditions, it would cease to be the Palestinian Authority.”
  (40:27)

• “Some people are saying this is a complete sellout. It certainly is not… it doesn’t go far enough? I mean, I don’t know how much further you could go without being farcical.”
  (10:17)

• Trump: “We’re going to have a deal for peace… [but] if Hamas rejects the deal, which is always possible… you’d [Israel] have more full backing to do what you have to do.”
  (44:36)

• Netanyahu: “If Hamas rejects your plan, Mr. President, or if they ...do everything to counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself. This can be done the easy way, or... the hard way, but it will be done.”
  (58:04)

• Levin:

  “The battle between peace and war, between good and evil, that's the eternal battle, isn't it, according to your own Bible? My Bible.”
  (08:23)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:06 – Introduction of Trump peace plan, initial reactions
• 05:00-12:00 – Core analysis, removal of Palestinian state provision, credit to Trump and Netanyahu
• 20:50-35:00 – Detailed reading and breakdown of 21-point plan; criticism of Palestinian Authority reforms
• 41:54-51:34 – Trump and Netanyahu joint remarks, “Board of Peace”
• 63:36-69:12 – Levin on political opponents of Israel, critique of US progressives
• 70:20-74:36 – Discussion of media leaks and why Israel gets singled out compared to Christian persecution
• 98:10-110:34 – Listener calls, skeptical and supportive, on plan semantics and substance

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Tone and Style

Levin is passionate, combative, and unambiguous—commending Trump and Netanyahu, criticizing both left and right-wing detractors, and dissecting the peace plan with both legalistic scrutiny and moral clarity. His style is polemical but underpinned with detailed analysis, highlighting what he sees as media bias, political treachery, and the existential stakes for Israel.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode provides a granular, conservative analysis of President Trump’s Israel-Hamas peace plan. Levin finds this version a marked improvement, largely for eliminating provisions he deemed dangerous (like forced acceptance of a Palestinian state or restricting Israel’s reach in the West Bank). He sees the plan as placing unprecedented responsibility on Arab states and Palestinians, with clear red lines and minimal risk to Israel if its terms are violated. Key takeaways include strong praise for both Trump’s and Netanyahu’s leadership, skepticism about Middle Eastern actors’ willingness or ability to comply, and a fierce rejection of US political and media figures who demonize Israeli interests. The overall tone is vigilant optimism, tempered by deep distrust of both Palestinian leadership and much of the Western press.

Transcript

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

He's here.

[Producer]

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[Rich]

Sam.

[Mark Levin]

Hello America. Mark Levin here. Our number 8773-8138-1187-7381, 3811.

[Rich]

Well, the big issue this evening is the Trump peace plan. And let's see here. I went over this plan. I went over it carefully. I went over the leaked drafts by some of the foreign countries involved. I will say this, as one person put it, the plan basically comes down to this. Two options. Hamas surrenders or Israel gets to finish Hamas off with Arab support. Brilliant. I have a little bit of a different take, which I'll get to here in a moment as I pull this up, when it's at least referred to what I what I posted, because I think you should know about this. There were earlier drafts that had been leaked by these other governments I mentioned to you. I said the Trump peace plan. After reading the final plan and watching carefully the press conference just now, I'm optimistic about the broad parameters of this plan. Let me be specific, number one, unlike the earlier leaked drafts, there is no mention of Judea and Samaria, which is wrongly called the West Blank. Previous drafts declared that Israel must not annex them. This was not a relevant issue and a big sticking point with me. I'm glad it was dropped. Number two, I oppose a Palestinian state, period. There is no grant of a Palestinian state in the deal, as there appeared to be in earlier leaked drafts. The language is such that it requires a complete transformation of the Palestinian culture and ideology, which unfortunately is highly unlikely. Moreover, the word may is not binding at all. May. Once this transformation occurs, and it won't, then there may be a basis for a Palestinian state. So to me that's all bs. Number three, if Hamas rejects the deal or otherwise sabotages it after putatively accepting it, the Israelis are free to military demolish them with full United States support. As for the governing aspects of this, it's 21 points and all the important security requirements for Israel. I have faith in both the President and the Prime Minister that they, above all others, know what they're doing. There are many details and pieces that have to fall into place, many more details and pieces that have to be worked out. So none of this, none of this will be easier. Certain. And as this plays out, I'll have further comments along the way, as will others. But I think the broad parameters provide a solid foundation. But time will tell. We know many of these actors are untrustworthy. Many. And there's a lot of layers to this. It's not. It's not simple, it's fact, it's complex. But the hostages are to be released within 72 hours. Hamas is to disarm or be disarmed. And as this gentleman put it, Hamas either surrenders or Israel gets to destroy them with the support of the United States and the Arabs. I wouldn't count on the latter, but you get the point. So, number one, I think the President deserves enormous credit for his effort here. Enormous credit, as do the people who've been assisting him. Enormous credit. I just feel this is better than it was 48 hours ago, from what I was reading. Much better. Number two, the Prime Minister of Israel deserves enormous credit, enormous credit for engaging on this. And his people, I assume, negotiating, going back and forth and tightening things up.

[Mark Levin]

And then there is the reality.

[Rich]

A lot of the people in Israel, I am not saying a majority, but a lot, are growing weary of this.

[Mark Levin]

War.

[Rich]

And they want their hostages back. Now, this is an act of weakness by the Israelis. How can you call any of this an act of weakness? Given what the Israelis have done to Hamas, given what the Israelis have done to Hezbollah in Lebanon, given what the Israelis have done to Iran, given what the Israelis are doing to the Houthis. And I go on and on and on. Weakness. One of the reasons why Benjamin Netanyahu is attacked viciously with anti Semitic diatribes he's focused on by the isolationist bigot neo Nazis. On the right, he's attacked by the Marxists and the Islamists. On the left, he's attacked by people even in high places in government is because he is a leader and he is effective.

[Mark Levin]

If he wasn't a leader and he.

[Rich]

Wasn'T effective, they'd have no reason to attack him. Many of these people are on the payroll of the Islamists or want to be on the payroll of the Islamists. It's true, directly and indirectly. And so this, this is an issue as well. Netanyahu is hated because he's effective, because.

[Mark Levin]

He's a great leader.

[Rich]

Same reason with Trump. Trump is hated because he's effective. He's a great leader. And Netanyahu knows better than I if a deal protects the Israelis or not. And President Trump is not Biden. He's not Obama, he's not Clinton. He's not going to throw the nation of Israel off the roof. He's just not going to do it. He's done too much for the nation of Israel to act in such a way as the greatest president the United States has had in its dealings with Israel.

[Mark Levin]

So I think the broad parameters of.

[Rich]

This are very solid, very positive. Obviously, things take time to implement. It's a very complicated and dangerous part of the world. And I'm not a Pollyanna about these things. I'm not a Pollyanna about these things. I don't think there'll be eternal peace. There is no such thing when it comes to human beings. There's evil. Some people believe there's a devil. There's not eternal peace. This battle between peace and war, between good and evil, that's the eternal battle, isn't it, According to your own Bible? My Bible. So that's not going to just go away. The Islamists will exist. Their ideology is dangerous, it's deadly. It's a death cult. And so you're trying to deal as best as you can with what you have in this, in this part of the world with respect to the Arab states and the Muslim states. It's that simple. It's that simple. Now this Islamist, radical Islamist mentality threatens some of their dictatorships, threaten some of their dictatorships. And so that's problematic for them. But I step back and I look at this for Israel and I think to myself, this thing was tightened up. The Judea and Samaria no longer on the table. That's a good thing because they were and that drafted said they will not annex, annex, annex.

[Mark Levin]

The Jews were there 4,000 years ago. It's not about annexing.

[Rich]

That's why when you're trying to bring some kind of a peace agreement that was preposterous to have that in there, and they removed it. Same with the Palestinian state. You're free to read the language yourself. It's in there. Maybe I'll go over it after the break with you. Anyway, that's my general take on this. I know some people are out there saying this is a complete sellout. It certainly is not. Some people out there saying it doesn't go far enough. I mean, I don't know how much further you could go without being farcical, quite frankly, it's not perfect because nothing's going to be perfect. And there's going to be a lot of bumps in the road, and we're going to see if some of these bumps are fatal. If Israel believes its security is threatened under any of these circumstances, it's not going to abide by this. It's hard to see how Hamas or even the Palestinian authorities come out and say, we're in.

[Mark Levin]

We agree with it, because they want.

[Rich]

To create the impression that they're a moderate force and that they should run Gaza. But that's not what's in the deal. That's not in the deal. Not the Palestinian Authority or Hamas. I'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

Foreign tomorrow discussing, quote, unquote, a government shutdown. I see these headlines. They're going to run out of money.

[Mark Levin]

Ask you folks a question.

[Rich]

When the government shuts down, do you stop paying your taxes, Mr. Producer? So why are they running out of money? We're going to get into that. I'm sick of these lies. There's another lie out there. It's being perpetrated. Netanyahu did not apologize to the head inbred of Qatar. He said he deeply regretted that they killed a Qatari citizen. That was not who they were aiming at and that sort of thing. He did not. And yet they keep, they keep saying that. And this is the way it works. And by the way, there was a full on smear campaign at Axios and Mediaite against Netanyahu today and not just there elsewhere. And the one in media even brought up Tucker Kitarlson and was slamming Netanyahu who was obsessing, they said, with Tucker Katarlson. Now, ladies and gentlemen, these people are cowards, these leakers because they're doing this anonymously and yet these people who are trying to cover for them at Axios, guy by the name of Ravid, who is a left wing Israeli who apparently hates his own country but definitely has Netanyahu syndrome. And over at Mediaite where they're constantly promoting Katarlson, except for this guy, Isaac Shore, who's really getting better in my view. I really had no quarter for him, but I feel like he's doing a lot better. That said, and quite accurate, that said, they said senior White House officials. Now I know that President Trump is the one doing the leaking and I know his immediate staff doesn't leak. So who at the White House is leaking, trashing, smearing Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel saying that everybody here has had enough of him and so forth and so on. Who's doing that? Now there can be some people outside the White House, but they said White House, White House senior staffers. Where would that be coming from? Mr. Badu, you have any idea? Well, who platformed Tucker Kitarlison? They were given an opportunity to do the broadcast, the first broadcast after the horrendous murder of Charlie Kirk. I believe that was J.D. it's a very close relationship between those two guys. Very, very. And despite all the despicable, bigoted Jew hating things that Tucker says over and over again, why would you platform him? I think that's a fair question. And he's free to come on this program and discuss this at great length with me. I'd love to do it. Shouldn't you denounce it or at least not platform it? So I think some of it's coming out of that, that world, that environment. I don't know that it's the VP himself, but it's coming, I think, from that element. But who else would it be coming from? Where else? Who else is a senior White House officials? So I pose that I can't prove it, but circumstantial information is good enough for me. I'm more than happy to explore it with him and others. And I won't get into it more than that, other than it was a disgusting libel campaign. When you're trying to convince an ally to Accept the deal that's important to the ally and the President of the United States. You are undermining the President. You are undermining our country. You're undermining our ally with your leaks, which is why they go anonymous, which is why they're gutless wonders. Now, if people deny it, the reporters and the news outlet are going to know whether that denial is a lie or not. Maybe they'll write a book about it one day. You know, they're grifters. That's how they like to present things. But that's my question. Where are these leaks coming from? Senior White House officials. It's not Trump. It's not his immediate staff. So who is it? Who is it? When I met with the President of the United States, when was it?

[Mark Levin]

June, I guess.

[Rich]

And I'm not going to get into what we discussed. He invited me. Who leaked that I had a meeting with him? And who leaked some of the substance of the meeting?

[Mark Levin]

It could only be one of a few people. It could only be one of a few people.

[Rich]

Or their staff. It is very evil, it is very diabolical, and it does undermine the President. The President needs to be able to speak in confidence. The President's people need to be able to conduct foreign policy. The President needs to be able to rely on people who are close to him. And the President needs to be able to talk to an ally like Netanyahu or Israel. And they're free to have differences of opinion without being smeared in left wing media. They go to the left wing. I noticed. They don't go to the conservative media. And no, I don't count the bigots and Jew haters and Israel haters as conservative media. That's not conservatism.

[Mark Levin]

So what's going on? The media know. It's like all the leaks against Trump with the Obama team. Now we have all the leaks that are taking place here undermining the President.

[Rich]

Of the United States.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

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[Mark Levin]

Yellow. Yellow. All right, let's go through this.

[Rich]

Come on folks. This is interesting. This is history. It's history. Number one, Gaza will be a de radicalized terror free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors. Now that's a big deal. It's not going to be easy, is it? It's a big marker. Number two, Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza who have suffered more than enough. Okay. Number three, if both sides agree to this proposal, meaning Hamas and Israel, Israel's already agreed to it. The war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal. Number four. Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages alive and deceased will be returned. Number five. Once all hostages are released, Israel will release two hundred and fifty life sentenced prisoners, plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after October 7, 2023, including all women and children detained. In that context, for every Israeli hostage who remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans. Look, I'm not happy with those numbers either. But this is what Israel has done for like 30 years because they love life, they want their citizens back. And in Jewish life, you want the body and the remains back so you can give it a proper burial. It's very, very important. Number six. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries. Number seven, upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the January 19, 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid? I'm not familiar with that. Including rehabilitation of infrastructure, water, electricity, sewage, rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads. That'll cost a fortune. Israel is not on the line for that. Number eight, got to listen to the whole thing. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United nations and its agencies and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any matter with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under the January 19, 2025 agreement. Number nine, stick with me. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee. And that committee cannot be made up of any of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas or anything else. But this. This is just a tiny little nothing to be perfectly, as I read this, responsible for delivering the day to day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts with oversight and supervision by new international transitional body. So it's going to be overseen by a larger body that the President calls the Board of Peace and he's going to be the chairman of the board that oversees all of it. That's a big undertaking with other members and heads of state to be announced, including former Prime Minister Tony Blair. So you have Trump, Blair, others who will oversee this, this group of experts and so forth to rebuild the Gaza. This body will set the framework and handle the funding of the redevelopment of Gaza till such time as the Palestinian authorities completed its reform program. See, this is, let me say there's a lot of words here. The Palestinian authorities already agree to this.

[Mark Levin]

Because they say, yes, we're going to reform ourselves.

[Rich]

No, they're not. I'm just telling you they refeated their reform program. We'll get to that in a minute. As outlined in various proposals, including President Trump's peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi French proposal, and securely and effectively take back control of Gaza, this body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment. See, I don't believe the Palestinian Authority is capable of reforming itself. I don't believe that's going to happen. Number 10, I don't know. Can we take an ULTRA early break, Mr. Producer? Is that possible? Let's do it right now. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

Let's go on. Can I be honest with you? A lot of this is meaningless to me because it relies on terrorists not to be terrorists.

[Deborah]

And it's just not.

[Mark Levin]

If the Palestinian Authority ceases to be.

[Rich]

The Palestinian Authority, essentially, then it may be the basis for discussing and negotiating a state. May. The word may is in there now. The Palestinian Authority will prove itself incapable of being anything other than the Palestinian Authority. How do we know it? Because we've seen this before. So I don't worry about that. Honest to God, Hamas is surrendered. Hamas surrenders or Israel continues to destroy it with the backing of the United States. Things Here we are. Let's continue. Let's see, this whole governance thing with this Palestinian group, this board, it's meaningless because who sits on top of the board that oversees this committee? Mr. Producer Donald Trump. So again, I look at this, say okay. To me, this is almost these are issues that are like a SOP to the Arab countries. I say okay, here, here. We mentioned the word Palestinian in this paragraph. I'm just being honest with you. If I thought this was horrendous, I would tell you it's horrendous. I thought the part about Judea and Samaria was horrendous, but they removed it. They removed it. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energize Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. So they're looking at certain financial experts and banking experts, many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting. Who cares? Number 11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff. All right, who cares? Number 12, no one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza. As long as they're not building, you know, like a subway system, Mr. Producer, because we know that's not a subway system. Now, in order for this to work, understand, ladies and gentlemen, all the textbooks are going to have to be changed. You know, all the propaganda is going to have to be changed, all that stuff. I don't know if that's going to be accomplished or not. I have no idea. 13. Hamas and other factions agree not to have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly or indirectly, in any form. They might say, well, they might cheat. Well, then all bets are off. That's the point. All military, terror and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarization of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use. Through an agreed process of decommissioning and supported by an internationally funded buyback and integration program, all verified by independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy into peaceful coexistence with their neighbors. Number 14.

[Mark Levin]

A guarantee will be provided by regional.

[Rich]

Partners to ensure that Hamas and the factions comply with their obligations and the new Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors or its people. So there. The Arab states have a. Have a responsibility. What happens if they break it? That's my point. There are so many triggers in here. The vast majority of this requires the Arab countries, the Palestinian Authority, to comply with God knows how many requirements here. Don't you get that out of what I'm reading to you, Mr. Producer.

[Mark Levin]

They've got their work cut out for them now.

[Rich]

If somebody says, well, they'll never do it, okay, then nothing lost, right? I think what the President has done here is he said, this is your final chance, this is it. And you're not going to get everything you want. No, you're not going to get Judea and Samaria. Not out of this. No, you're not. You're not going to get a Palestinian state. He doesn't put it that way, but I know how to read flimflam, and that one paragraph is utter flimflam. The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary international stabilization force to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to Palestinian police forces in Gaza and will consult with Jordan and Egypt, who have extensive experience in this field. You know what that means, Mr. Producer? Again, people don't understand what that means. The Jordanians and the Egyptians, their police forces are brutal. Brutal. It's not like the police in the West. There's no due process. There's none of that. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties. I haven't kept count. There must be at least 25 of these things in here so far. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. I don't think that was ever Israel's intention. As a matter of fact, as the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces will withdraw based on standards, milestones, time frames linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon by the between the idf, the isf, the guarantors, and the United States with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt or its citizens. A lot of puzzle pieces, wouldn't you say, Rich? Practically. The IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the Transitional Authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for security perimeter presence. That will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat. So the Israelis are going to have a basically demilitarized zone, a military area, and they're never going to leave it, nor should they. 17. In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled up aid operation, will proceed in the terror free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF. 18.

[Mark Levin]

An interfaith dialogue process will be established.

[Rich]

Based on the values of tolerance and peaceful coexistence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace. That paragraph sounds like it was written by a hippie. No, Mr. Producer. Now, while Gaza redevelopment advances, and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway. All right, listen to this. Ready? While Gaza redevelopment advances, and when the Palestinian Authority reform program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for A credible pathway to Palestinian self determination and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the Palestinian people. While Gaza redevelopment advances and when the PA reform program is faithfully carried out. So what does that mean? Nobody knows. The conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway. They may finally be in play. I read this as gibberish. I read this as gibberish. The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous coexistence. Now, if I'm the Israelis, do you know what I do there? I start by saying, okay, you need to recognize us, recognize our country and our boundaries. That's what I would do. Okay, now we'll have a dialogue. And that's it. And now we'll have a dialogue. So I just feel a lot of this is fuzzy. A lot of this is requiring incredible obligations for Palestinians and Arabs, to be perfectly honest with you, it gets the hostages back. It's technically, anyway, theoretically demilitarizes Gaza and it forces the Arab states to help enforce the demilitarization and the security zones that are there in part for Israel. So I think there's. It's different than Oslo and some of these other things. Here there are obligations that are being placed, significant obligations that are being placed on the Arabs and the Palestine. Will this work? I don't have the foggiest idea. I suspect it could be a problem. It's called terrorists. Don't you, Mr. Producer? I suspect there could be a problem. But this is an opportunity. They can decide or not. And we shall see. All right, folks, there we have it. There we have it. And you know, the Middle east has been completely changed apart from all this, apart from, from this plan, the Middle east has already been completely changed. Lebanon, Iran, yes. Gaza, completely changed as a result of Benjamin Netanyahu, which is why he's hated. Hated by the Netanyahu crowd, the isolationist bigots, some of whom apparently are senior officials at the White House, excluding Donald Trump and his people. But he's hated because he's, he's a great leader. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

He's here.

[Producer]

He's here now. Broadcasting him from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building, we've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Levin.

[Mark Levin]

Hello, America. Mark Levin here. How you be out there?

[Rich]

You know, our great former ambassador to Israel. He points out this section in the deal dealing with the Palestinian Authority reforming itself. He wrote those conditions in the 2020 plan. And, you know, he points out that if the Palestinian Authority met those conditions, it would cease to be the Palestinian Authority.

[Mark Levin]

Which is my point, is it not, Mr. Producer?

[Rich]

If the Palestinian Authority does what it's required to do, it will no longer be the Palestinian Authority. So, as I say, there's some things in here, you know, there's words, words. And, you know, you just got to take that under consideration. The things I was most concerned about. Look, there's a lot I'm concerned about. We'll see how this develops over time. I'm sure the President feels exactly the same way. I'm sure the Prime Minister feels exactly the same way. This is a framework, and they'll be on pressure for Hamas to accept. But it also. Here's the thing, as you know, I'm no fan of Qatar, not in the least, but Qatar, basically, Hamas, is the protectorate. Excuse me, Qatar is the protectorate. For Hamas, it's a protectorate. So what does that mean? Well, they have to take some responsibility for it. If they can't get them under control, then nobody can get them under control. That's what that means. That's what that means. Let's listen to a little bit this. President Trump and Netanyahu at a news conference today. Cut one, Mr. Producer. Go.

[Donald Trump]

If accepted by Hamas, his proposal calls for the release of all remaining hostages immediately, but in no case more than 72 hours. So the hostages are coming back. And I hate even saying this from the standpoint, doesn't sound right, but it is so important to the parents. The bodies of the young men. I believe in almost all cases, the young men are coming back.

[Rich]

It's very important in the. In the Jewish faith, as I said, in the first hour, that bodies be treated properly when they're put to rest and when the soul goes to heaven to meet God. It's very, very important. Obviously not to Hamas, but it is to people who care about life. Go ahead.

[Donald Trump]

Their parents felt as strongly about getting their. The body of their dead boy back as they did, as though the boy were alive and well. It's so important to them, and it means the immediate end to the war itself. Not just Gaza, it's the war itself. Under the plan, Arab and Muslim countries have committed than in writing in many cases. But I actually would take their word for it. The people I mentioned I take their word for it to demilitarize Gaza and that's see this.

[Rich]

So the Arabs have to demilitarize Gaza. That's part of the obligation Arab and Muslim countries have to demilitarize Gaza. That seems to me to be a very positive requirement. No Mr. Producer. Now let's see if they do. Go ahead.

[Donald Trump]

Decommission the military capabilities of Hamas and all other terror organizations. Do that immediately. And we're relying on the countries that I named and others to deal with Hamas and I'm hearing that Hamas wants to get this done too and that's a good thing.

[Rich]

Cut to go Israel would have my.

[Donald Trump]

Fall back into finish the job of destroying the threat of Hamas.

[Rich]

Now what he's saying there is if Hamas doesn't agree to the deal and comply Israel can go in and destroy them with the full backing of the United States. Go ahead.

[Donald Trump]

We're going to have a deal for peace.

[Rich]

He wants that.

[Donald Trump]

And if Hamas rejects the deal which is always possible they're the only one left. Everyone else is has accepted it. But I have a feeling that we're going to have a positive answer. But if not, as you know Bibi, you'd have more full backing to do what you would have to do.

[Rich]

Cut 3 go time ago we had.

[Donald Trump]

A historic phone call in the Oval Office with Prime Minister Taney, a great, great person. So we had a great talk and I was on the phone and Bibi was talking. Prime Minister Al Thani was of Qatar was they really had a heart to heart conversation. It was a great conversation. I thought it was productive. It was everything that you need to have something turn out to be successful. And I want to thank being and I want to thank the Prime Minister. That was fantastic. We agreed to launch a formal trilateral mechanism between Israel, Qatar and the United States to begin a dialogue to enhance mutual security, correct misperceptions and avoid future misgivings. And I want to thank Qatar, its leadership and the emir is well I.

[Rich]

Wish the emir would just stop pouring billions of dollars into our colleges and universities. You know what I mean Mr. Producer? I just wish the YMIR would do that. Maybe we can talk offline with the emir our government the time to cut it out. Go ahead.

[Donald Trump]

You know I'm going to be his public relations man because I know him differently than a lot of people know him. But he wants peace. He wants to see peace.

[Rich]

Good. Then it should be very easy for him to stop pouring billions of dollars to poison our children in this country and to push Islamism. I'm just saying he's one of the main funders of these groups in this country. All right, let's go to. Where are we, Mr. Producer? Cut four, I guess. Go ahead.

[Donald Trump]

To ensure the success of this effort, my plan calls for the creation of a new international oversight body, the Board of Peace. We call it the Board of Peace. Sort of a beautiful name, the Board of Peace, which will be headed. Not at my request, believe me. I'm very busy. But we have to make sure this works. The leaders of the Arab world and Israel and everybody involved asked me to do this. So it'll be headed by a gentleman known as President Donald J. Trump of the United States. That's what I want, is some extra work to do. But it's so important that I'm willing to do it. And we'll do it right. And we're going to put leaders from other countries on and leaders that are very distinguished leaders, and we'll have a board. And one of the people that wants to be on the board is the uk former Prime Minister Tony Blair. Good man. Very good man. And some others. And they'll be named over the next few days and it'll be quite the board working. Everybody wants to be on it now.

[Rich]

Mm. I wouldn't. What a pain in the ass that's gonna be.

[Mark Levin]

I'm just saying.

[Rich]

Just saying. Cut five. Go.

[Donald Trump]

But I've never asked Israel to compromise its security. But we had big, strong talk. Nobody, Nobody's been better to Israel. No president has been better to Israel than Donald Trump.

[Rich]

That's true. 100%.

[Donald Trump]

We had a long, strong talk, Bibi and I, and he understands. It's time. It's time. History has shown. And the people of Israel want it. And the people of the Middle east want it. The people of enemies of Israel want it. But they don't have really too many enemies right now. And you know what? Many countries have gained great respect for Israel for the way they fight, the job they do, including me. I had respect anyway, but they gained respect.

[Rich]

Amen. Now, Benjamin Netanyahu. Cut six. Go.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I support your plan to end the war in Gaza, which achieves our war aims. It will bring back to Israel all our hosts hostages, dismantle Hamas military capabilities, end its political rule, and ensure that Gaza never again poses a threat to Israel. We would not have achieved this turning point without the courage and sacrifice of our incredibly brave soldiers. They fight like lions to defend the people of Israel, and they serve on the front line in the war between civilization and barbarism.

[Rich]

By the way, I want to read to you what the Prime Minister, Netanyahu actually said in his call with the Prime Minister of Qatar, because it's being horribly misreported. But then again, what do you expect? Mr. Prime Minister, this is Netanyahu. I want you to know that Israel regrets that one of your citizens was killed in our strike. I want to show you that Israel was targeting Hamas, not Qataris. I also want to assure you that Israel has no plan to violate your sovereignty again in the future. And I have made that commitment to the President. I know your leadership has grievances against Israel, and Israel has grievances against Qatar, from support for the Muslim Brotherhood to how Israel is portrayed on Al Jazeera, to support for anti Israel sentiment on college campuses. I welcome the President's idea to establish a trilateral group to address both our country's outstanding grievances. Now, that is a direct quote from the phone call. That sounds like a little bit different than just him groveling and apologizing. It doesn't it, Mr. Badu? Because that's not what he did. I've tried to get this to my brothers and sisters at Fox. I've tried to put this out on conservative talk radio. I've tried to put it out. And so hopefully people will. Will have these facts which have now been made available. And it's on the Internet. I'm just circulating it. So that's the Prime Minister's statement on his call with the Prime Minister of Qatar, not as it's been reporting. All right, let's go on. Let's see here. Let's go to cut seven. Netanyahu with Trump. Go.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Now, under your leadership, we're taking the next step to win the war and expand the peace. Your plan is consistent with the following five principles my government set for the end of the war and the day after Hamas. Everybody asks, what is your plan for the day after Hamas? Here's our plan. Pass it in the Cabinet. All our hostages, both those who are alive and those who died, all of them, will return home immediately. Hamas will be disarmed. Gaza will be demilitarized. Israel will retain security responsibility, including a security perimeter, for the foreseeable future. And lastly, Gaza will have a peaceful civilian administration that is run neither by Hamas nor by the Palestinian Authority. If Hamas agrees to your plan, Mr. President, the first step will be a modest withdrawal, followed by the release of all our hostages within 72 hours. The next step will be the establishment of an international body charged with fully disarming Hamas and demilitarizing Gaza.

[Rich]

See, I want you to hear from the president and the prime Minister directly, rather than people who are trying to put words in their mouth and rather than the neo Nazi bigots that you'll find everywhere in podcasting and so forth. Apparently some in the government who just want you to hate the Israelis and Netanyahu. The fact is, Netanyahu and Trump are very close. They work very closely together. I know both men very, very well. And all this propaganda, this hate, I know exactly where it's coming from. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

When was the last time you bragged.

[Rich]

About your wireless company?

[Mark Levin]

Like, did you know my wireless company gave away a thousand American flags to deserving vets and forgave $10 million in veteran debt? Did you know my wireless company raised almost half a million dollars to help prevent veteran suicide? In other words, when your wireless company is Pure Talk, there's a whole lot to brag about. You can even brag about the coverage you get with Pure Talk, a 5G network that is insanely fast, dependable and secure. And you can definitely brag about how much money you save with Pure Talk. Unlimited talk, text, plenty of data, just 25 bucks a month, saving the average family over $1,000 a year. It's time to switch to my favorite wireless company, PureTalk. Go to PureTalk.com Lavinia and save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, PureTalk.com Levin make the switch today. PureTalk Wireless. Worth bragging about. You know, ladies and gentlemen, when the.

[Rich]

Airlines screw up, they screw up. But I have to say, I had a flight today from Newark, New Jersey to Florida that was perfect. Perfect, Mr. Producer, from Newark Liberty Airport. Now, let me just say this. I don't know what the, you know, the, the FAA and who does what. If they're having problems, they need to fix them 100%. Don't get me wrong, I like that airport. It's a nice looking airport. It's a clean airport. It's a convenient airport. In terms of once you get there, it's a pain in the ass to get there, but once you're there, it's well thought out. The placement of the gates, they got restaurants all over the place. There's plenty of place to sit. It's not like, you know, I've been to airports that are just unimaginable. Like Dulles is crazy. I don't even understand. You know, you take in many. You take These underground trains they spend billions on to get to a location. Then you have to walk 17 miles in order to get to the gate. It's like, what the hell? What genius thought this up anyway? And there's others, to be perfectly honest, that are absolutely screwed up and mind boggling. Atlanta, but you understand. But this airport, Newark, again, apart from the safety issues, and that's crucial, don't get me wrong, I'm just talking about as a passenger, when you go, is really a great airport. Everybody hates JFK for good reason. LaGuardia, you know, it's okay, but it's still kind of a mess.

[Mark Levin]

Hey, hey, I tell the truth.

[Rich]

I tell the truth. And I'm not going to even tell you my favorite airport because I don't want everybody to use it. Does that mean to be Mr. Producer? Not at all. Not at all. Okay, Netanyahu.

[Mark Levin]

This is very important that.

[Rich]

You hear what these, these men have to say. These are great men, these historic, iconic men, Trump and Netanyahu. Do you know how honored I am to know both of them, to consider both of them friends? Absolutely honored. Do I know the stuff that some of these people spew on them is just such libel, so dishonest. Cut 8. Go now.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

If this international body succeeds, we will have permanently ended the war. Israel will conduct further withdrawals linked to the extent of disarmament and demilitarization, but will remain in the security perimeter for the foreseeable future. I think we should understand that we're giving everybody a chance to have this done peacefully, something that will stop.

[Rich]

This is what's key. What he's saying there is we're giving the Muslim countries, the Arab countries, the Palestinians, so called. This is your opportunity to prove yourselves. And if you don't, we're going to take your business. So they have obligations. They have a lot of obligations.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

They do go ahead without any further bloodshed. But if Hamas rejects your plan, Mr. President, or if they supposedly accept it and then basically do everything to counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself. This can be done the easy way or it can be done the hard way, but it will be done. We prefer the easy way, but it has to be done.

[Rich]

This is why the neo Nazi podcasters and bigots hate him. Because he's a leader. He's going to defend his people and defend his country. If you were a pushover who are quizzling, they'd be slobbering all over them. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

When was the last time you bragged about your wireless company like, did you know my wireless company gave away a thousand American flags to deserving vets and forgave $10 million in veteran debt? Did you know my wireless company raised almost half a million dollars to help prevent veteran suicide? In other words, when your wireless company is Pure Talk, there's a whole lot to brag about. You can even brag about the coverage you get with PureTalk, a 5G network that is insanely fast, dependable and secure. And you can definitely brag about how much money you save with Pure Talk. Unlimited talk text, plenty of data, just 25 bucks a month, saving the average family over $1,000 a year. It's time to switch to my favorite wireless company, PureTalk. Go to PureTalk.com Levin and save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, PureTalk.com Levin make the switch today. Pure Talk Wireless worth bragging about.

[Producer]

Mark Levin, Liberty's General Patton call into the Mark Levin show now at 877-381-3811.

[Rich]

All right, Mr. Producer, let's pick up where we left off. You know, I don't normally do this, go through clips like this, but it went on for some time and it was so historic and really so I don't know, motivating a lot better than I expected, to be perfectly honest with you. All right, we're a cut nine. Go.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Mr. President, I was encouraged by your clear statement at the UN against the recognition of a Palestinian state. That would be an outcome that after October 7 would reward terrorism, undermine security, and endanger Israel's very existence. As for the Palestinian Authority, I appreciate your firm position that the PA could have no role whatsoever in Gaza without undergoing a radical and genuine transformation. In your 2020 peace plan, which you mentioned just now, you made clear what that transformation requires. It's not lip service. It's not checking a box. It's a fundamental, genuine and enduring transformation. And that means ending pay to slay, changing the poisonous textbooks that teach hatred to Jews to Palestinian children, stopping incitement in the media, ending lawfare against Israel at the icc, the icj, recognizing the Jewish state and many, many other reforms.

[Rich]

And that's what was expected of them in 2020. So there's no reason to water that down now in the context of all this that's going on, everybody knows Hamas is a horrific terrorist regime in the well, everybody except for the Marxist Islamists in our country. Mondami is one of them. Now, look, it's time to stop candy coating this. This man could be elected mayor of New York and It's time to tell the truth and to stop playing games. This man supports Hamas, therefore he supports a terror organization, therefore he supports terrorism. That's the bottom line. You can't support the Nazis without supporting the Nazis. Now, Hamas is a terrorist organization recognized by us as a terrorist organization. It's a proud terrorist organization. It doesn't hide what it does. Takes video of it. How hard is it to condemn Hamas? So Mandami wants to be mayor of New York. He won't condemn Hamas. He has a million excuses. Which means he supports Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization that has killed Americans, Israelis and other people. Including Palestinians. Including Palestinians. So here he is at a press conference Friday. Cut 11, go. Do you agree with Mr. Netanyahu's statement that Hamas is a terror organization that needs to be destroyed? And if you could speak the way he did on loudspeakers today to the 20 living hostages, what would your message be? I am not going to echo the words of Benjamin Netanyahu.

[Mark Levin]

So there you go. There you go.

[Rich]

There you go. I'm not going to echo the words of Benjamin Netanyahu, you see, because Netanyahu, to him and some of these others, is worse than Hamas. But he doesn't need to even bring up Netanyahu, just condemn Hamas. But he won't. Now, I ask you, the people of New York, what is that all about? What in the hell is that all about? Eric Adams has stepped down. Sliever refuses to step down. Cuomo refuses to step down. So Mandami is likely to win. But I want you to come out and vote en masse and try and prevent what the polls say is a fait accompli. It can be done. It can be done. Go ahead. I can, however, share my own words and say them right here, which is that my politics is built on a universality. So he wants. He goes on. On, folks. He goes on and on about Israel's military killing Palestinians and so forth and so on. But he will not condemn Hamas. Now, I want you to think about that. He tries to present himself as this young, charismatic person who's going to change our politics. No, he supports mass murderers. He won't condemn them, so he supports them. I want you to think about that quite seriously. It's very, very important. This guy's not just a crazy ass lefty. He's the real deal. His family is filthy rich with an estate in Uganda with a wall and a fence that protects the estate in Uganda. Come to this country. His mother has been subsidized. A small Fortune by the Qatari royal family in order to produce her outrageous films. The father has tenure at Columbia University, where he preaches Marxist Islamism and promotes the idea or justification for terrorism. I mean, this. Is this who they are? They've infiltrated our country, they've made an enormous amount of money, and now he wants to be mayor. Seems to me that a very low standard is if you can't condemn a terrorist organization for a thousand different reasons. If you can't, can.

[Mark Levin]

You know.

[Rich]

Lying is lying. If you can't condemn a terrorist organization that has killed Americans and you find a thousand different ways to divert attention, to divert the issue seems to me to be a disqualifier. This guy's talking about affordability. He's going to make everything unaffordable. You wait and see. Unfortunately, the vast majority of you, my listeners, we know this. We know. We know what's going to happen. We know right now what's going to happen. It's unbelievable. And when you look at how many people in the Democrat Party speak out, do you know, I think it was 47 Democrats in the House signed some letter because they're good at signing letters calling for a Palestinian state. 47. It's a lot. I don't know how many of them been to Gaza, but 47 for a Palestinian state. It's incredible what's happened to the Democrat Party. It's incredible what's happened to some in our own party. John Fetterman is on Fox News yesterday. Listen to what he has to this guy. You know, he, he was early on, he had the stroke, he was incoherent. But as time has gone on, he's one of the smartest people in Washington. I don't mean book smart. IQ smarts, not what I'm talking about. Logical reasoning. Cut 13. Go.

[John Fetterman]

Overall, I've been very pleased the way the president has backed Israel. I mean, as I do, I think I was the only Democrat that supported the Iranian nuclear facilities. And that's why I'm always willing to stand with the democratically elected leader of Israel. And I do think it's astonishing. Astonishing. You know, you have. Our allies are going to recognize Palestine when you have human beings held underground, tortured and starved going on two years. And, and that is. And absolutely it's a reward for Hamas. That's going to be their narrative. They're going to claim that's why we did 10, seven that birthed our nation. And I can't ever give that to them. And I strongly reject any idea, especially now to talk about that. When you have human beings, I mean, they are normalizing, keeping human beings underground for two years and forcing them to dug their own graves. And now it's like, hey, let's give them a nation.

[Rich]

Yeah. 47 Democrats in the House signed on to this. I'll be right back.

[Producer]

Mud love in.

[Rich]

When was the last.

[Mark Levin]

Time you bragged about your wireless company? Like, did you know my wireless company gave away a thousand American flags to deserving vets and forgave $10 million in veteran debt? Did you know my wireless company raised almost half a million dollars to help prevent veteran suicide? In other words, when your wireless company is PureTalk, there's a whole lot to brag about. You can even brag about the coverage you get with Pure Talk, a 5G network that is insanely fast, dependable and secure. And you can definitely brag about how much money you save with PureTalk. Unlimited talk text, plenty of data, just 25 bucks a month, saving the average family over $1,000 a year. It's time to switch to my favorite wireless company, PureTalk. Go to PureTalk.com Lavinia and save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, PureTalk.com Levin make the switch today. Pure Talk Wireless worth bragging about.

[Rich]

So we have, we had stories today. Let's see if I bothered to even save them. Yes, I didn't. In Axios. Guy named Barack Ravid. Barack Ravid is an Israeli. He writes for Axios. He may be dual citizen, I don't know, but he was basically the scribe for the Biden regime and their, their tremendous hate for the state of Israel for Netanyahu. And he was there to catch every syllable they spat at him and to run it. High ranking sources off the record. Because that's what he does. It's yellow journalism. He does the same thing in the current environment. People in the government and out of the government, they know they can go to him. And he does the same thing. And I feel I know who the people involved are, directly or indirectly. It's not that hard to figure out. And then there was a leak to Mediaite that was sent to me. I hadn't seen it. Piece by Isaac Shore. I don't blame him for it, but he's just pointing out that there's another piece in which Israel and the Prime Minister come under attack because this fetish they have with Tucker don't, you know, like Tucker's on the Prime Minister's mind all the time, you see, And I just put one on one together. And why are These people, senior White House officials, not Trump. Why are they beating the brains out of Benjamin Netanyahu? I noticed these leaks are never about Qatar. I notice these leaks are never about Saudi Arabia. I notice these leaks are never about Hamas or Hezbollah or the Houthis or Iran. It's always Israel. Why is that? There was a leader in Nigeria, a Christian leader, an elected leader in Nigeria, and I posted this, and he said, why are only the Palestinians discussed? 500,000 Christians in Nigeria and other parts of Africa have been slaughtered and murdered by Islamists. Now, everybody mentions that. Bill Marr mentioned that. I mentioned that on Life, Liberty and Levin. That and all the rest of the world, I think two, three weeks ago, maybe a month ago. It is shocking the extent of the brutality and murder against Christians. It's in Africa, it's in the Middle east, it's in communist China. And not a word, not even in our country. I don't hear much talk about it at all. It's crazy. Or the. Or slavery. You know, we talk about slavery, and we should in our history, but there's.

[Mark Levin]

Slavery going on today, right now, as I speak.

[Rich]

Black Christians being enslaved by black Islamists in Africa. Or how about Muslims being enslaved by.

[Mark Levin]

The communist Chinese in China? What about it?

[Rich]

Nothing.

[Mark Levin]

Not a word by anybody but me.

[Rich]

In Syria, Christian communities being burned to.

[Mark Levin]

The ground.

[Rich]

Christians being slaughtered, citizens and Druze and others. Nothing.

[Mark Levin]

Not a word. Not a word. Or if there's a word, it's rare in Axios, it's rare in Mediaite.

[Rich]

Or these senior officials leaking.

[Mark Levin]

What is this obsession with one man in one country?

[Rich]

Pretty sick, don't you think? I want to read something to you next hour. I'll read it, I'm told. Right, Mr. Producer. All right, see if I can find it. I want to read something to you next hour that's in the New York Post. And it is a letter that was written by Charlie Kirk. A profound letter. So much of what Charlie did was profound. And I want to read it to you. I'm not even giving you a hint about what it is. I want you to stay with us so you can hear what Charlie said.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

He's here.

[Producer]

He's here now, broadcasting them from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building, we've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Len.

[Mark Levin]

Hello America. Mark Levin here.

[Rich]

Our number 8773-8138-1187-7381, 3811. The New York Post has published, and it's been reviewed by Josh Christensen and David Proper, the letter that Charlie Kirk wrote to Prime Minister Netanyahu not long before he was assassinated. They say Charlie Kirk wrote of his deep love for Israel in a letter to Netanyahu about how to counter rising opposition to the Jewish state in America. Assassinated conservative activists, they write. Charlie Kirk advised, you know, those are words that are very hard to pass through my lips. Very horrible, he wrote to Prime Minister Netanyahu how to counter anti Israel sentiment, unquote, among Gen Z and win the information war being waged against the Jewish state. According to a letter obtained by the Post, Kirk wrote to Netanyahu in the May 2 missive that he was alarmed by anti Israel and anti Semitic trends. I'm quoting and record levels on social media since one of his greatest joys as a Christian is advocate I'm quoting for Israel and forming alliances with Jews in the fight to protect Judeo Christian civilization. My team and I have spent months analyzing these trends and debating ideas that could help you and your country push back against these disturbing developments, he said in the letter. And anti Israel sentiment can undermine American support for Israel, he said. The purpose of this letter is to lay out our concerns and outline potential remedies. Everything written here is from a place of deep love for Israel and the Jewish people, he said. And he defended Israel when speaking on college campuses, they write, as part of his duties leading Turning Point usa, one of the nation's largest conservative youth organizations. I think it's important to be brutally honest with you and those you love. In my opinion, Israel's losing the information war needs a communications intervention Netanyahu first mentioned the letter in a Sept. 18 video address eight days after Kirk were shot and killed during an event at Utah Valley University to dispute monstrous falsehoods that Israel was somehow behind the killing. Right wing pundit Candace Owens and others have claimed that Kirk was being blackmailed into making firm defenses of Israel in public while questioning U.S. support for the Jewish state privately. Pershing Square Capital Management boss Bill Ackman later published private text messages disputing the characterizations. In the letter, Kirk urged Netanyahu's team to stop subcontracting rhetorical defenses of Israel to American surrogates. Point out that at TPUSA's main voice on American college campuses, he often felt like he was defending Israel in public more strenuously than Israel was itself. Some of the areas that concern him Israel is an apartheid state. These are things that he said, you know, that he has to fight off. Why does Israel conduct ethnic cleansing? Why is America subsidizing Israel's genocide against the Palestinian people? Is American aid helping to subsidize Israel's free health care? Hadn't heard that one. And it's not free by the way. Israel and the Jews are running US foreign policy. Israel and Jews are responsible for 9 11. I think that's Qatar's defending Israel is not in our US national interests. Why is Israel trying to drag us into a war in the Middle East? Says I'm accused of being a paid apologist for Israel when I defend her. However, I don't defend Israel strongly enough. I'm accused of being anti Semitic. I know you've got a seven front war in my kavetring pales in comparison. I'm trying to convey to you that Israel's losing support even in conservative circles. There should be a five alarm fart. He's right. And part of the reason is these bigots who pretend to be conservatives pretend to be maga. And the hate that they spew over and over and over again. They call themselves influencers and they know what they're doing. Some of them are comedians. Whatever they are, that's the truth. And it goes on. The letter is available online at the New York Post. Let me make sure this today dated today, but I wanted to bring that to your attention. He was trying to be helpful. He's trying to be helpful. And there you have it. Let's see, we have Iran announces $25 billion nuclear plant deal with Russia at Breitbart. Oh, yes, yes. It's an energy issue. Don't you know? The Democrats want to shut down the government, America. That's their plan. They always feel like it works for them. You see, it's usually the administration, the, the party in office that takes the hit. I say bring it on because I feel like President Trump is prepared for this. They're not used to fighting somebody who just goes on the offensive. He's just a tremendous counterpuncher. And when I saw this Russ Vaught talking about, okay, well, we're going to start with firing federal employees, in other words, what they're going to do then is if the Democrats want this fight, their goal is not to punish the private sector and the people out there, but to punish the government for the lack of government support. Now, I want to make something very clear, and we're going to get into this more tomorrow. I've decided. The government does not stop taking in income when it closes. It still takes in tariff money. It still takes in income taxes. It still takes in user fees. It still takes in all the money it normally takes in. Now, follow what I'm saying. I'm talking about income. The revenues to the federal government don't stop. They don't even reduce. They keep coming in. So what's the problem? The problem is they're spending so much more than their revenue. And so we're not talking about the government just shutting down the government because there's a lack of money. I just saw this. No, I saw it on tv. That's not it. They're spending well over the revenue. I believe what I saw is that the federal government takes in, what was it, 350 or 400? I'm going to have it more tomorrow. $400 billion a month. That's trillions of dollars. The problem is it spends more. So what the Democrats are saying is we're going to shut down the government. If you don't agree with us, President Trump, to spend another $1.5 trillion on top of what we're already spending. Which kind of proves the point, doesn't it, that you can't have enough revenue to keep up with their spending. Why, it's like drugs for these people. It's like they're hooked on deficit heroin. They can't control themselves. They can, but they won't. Now, with that kind of money coming in, Social Security is paid, Medicare is paid, veterans are paid, the military is paid, or should be, and so forth and so on. And when they say Shut down the government. Years ago, Paul Ryan told me, I think it was 2010 actually, when he was either speaker ahead of the one of the spending committees in Congress. He told us on this program that only effectively 17% of the government shuts down. But you see, they try to make it the most painful parts. And the media, all the media go out with their cameras and they try and show you that here's this guy sitting on the corner, he's missing this, or here's this, you know, they try and make it so you'll say, yes.

[Mark Levin]

Yes, I give up. I uncle, uncle, spend the extra 1.5 trillion.

[Rich]

I want to remind you of something. This is very important. I've talked about this every time this comes up. But people forget. Remember during the pandemic, Remember when governors, particularly blue states, but not exclusively, were shutting down businesses left and right? Remember, remember where people were going out of business left and right? Remember when people were losing their jobs left and right in the millions? You never heard them once, these governors, these senators, Biden, his regime once show any sympathy for all the mayhem that was created in the private sector, all the businesses that were shuttered, all the.

[Mark Levin]

People who lost their jobs in the private sector, it didn't matter.

[Rich]

Remember Newsom Whitmer?

[Mark Levin]

Remember all these people?

[Rich]

That fat slob in Illinois?

[Mark Levin]

Remember these people?

[Rich]

Pritzker? It was perfectly fine shutting down jobs in the private sector or even shutting.

[Mark Levin]

Down jobs in local government and state government and county government. Perfectly fine. But if you dare, dare hold people.

[Rich]

Accountable in the federal government, then you've crossed the rubric. Yeah, then you've crossed the, the line. You've crossed the line. And that's a pseudo event. They're trying to create panic, create upset. Now there's a look at all the health care people that are going to be laid off. So the Democrats want to do maximum damage to the extent that they can blame the President and the Republicans. Hakeem Jeffries already started. He's a top notch liar and propagandist. He says the Republicans control the House, the Republicans control the Senate, the Republicans control the presidency. All the elected branches of government.

[Mark Levin]

They're going to blame us for the shutdown. Here's what we know.

[Rich]

The roadblock is in the Senate where.

[Mark Levin]

They have the filibuster rule. So it's not that the Republicans control.

[Rich]

The Senate.

[Mark Levin]

It'S that they will use.

[Rich]

These, these mechanisms, and not just that, and other mechanisms to prevent the Republicans from prevailing.

[Mark Levin]

And they, they passed in the House.

[Rich]

What they call a clean continuing resolution. That means no impact, no major increases, no taxes. They just extending the current spending for the current situation based on revenue. Nothing really new. But the Democrats are insisting on $1.5 trillion more in spending, including free health care for illegal aliens.

[Mark Levin]

They're going to shut down the government.

[Rich]

For free health care for illegal aliens. So the president apparently met with them today and didn't get anywhere. He put them off for a while, tried to get them to think straight, but they don't want to think straight because they're not about the American people. They're about power. As I wrote in my book on.

[Mark Levin]

Power, that's what they want, power.

[Rich]

I'll be right back.

[Producer]

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[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

That the president or the investigation of the Soros foundation is sending chills through all these left wing organizations. Tell me, when they were investigating the Federalist Society, the National Rifle association and God knows how many conservative groups, did.

[Mark Levin]

The New York Times give a damn then? Of course not. George Soros and Company tried to overthrow.

[Rich]

The economy in Britain.

[Mark Levin]

George Soros & Co.

[Rich]

Spending a fortune trying to overthrow the government in Israel.

[Mark Levin]

George Soros and Company has backed every.

[Rich]

Effort of revolutionaries and so forth of any significance in our country.

[Mark Levin]

God forbid if anybody looks at them. No, no, no. Are they following their tax status? Seriously, are they? No, no, no. Only the average American gets audited. Don't you dare audit Soros. I mean, after all, he just, he just acquired 200 radio stations on the, on the quick, on the sly.

[Rich]

Remember that one?

[Mark Levin]

Oh, yeah.

[Rich]

No, no, no, no, no. Lookie at George Soros. No.

[Mark Levin]

According to the New York Slimes, which.

[Rich]

Of course is the New York Slimes.

[Mark Levin]

All right, thank you.

[Rich]

This budget battle, a chapter on language is really a great chapter. A lot of people think it's the best one in the book. This to me is the best book I've ever written. It really is. People have read many of my books, they say this is it. You know who told me two weeks ago was the best book he's ever read that I've written? The Prime Minister of Israel. He had this book in the courtroom where they drag him for six to seven hours a day, three to four days a week over nonsense. And he had this book on the table. Mr. Producer. And I asked him during the break, is that okay? He said yes. He said half the time I just sit here. So I read. Isn't that horrible? In relation to politics and government candidates, public officials and media, etc, the people are routinely the target of deceit. I want you to think about this. When it comes to this budget battle intended to convince them of a viewpoint to vote for them or someone they support, champion a policy or cause by employing negative language, including fabrications, misrepresentations and exaggerations. Now listen to this. I completed this book in May, I think. For example, Senator Bernie Sanders, a Marxist who self identifies as a Democratic socialist, has repeatedly accused Republican Party, the party of supporting tax cuts for billionaires and of being the party of billionaires, a typical Marxist based class warfare mantra. Of course, three of the Democrat party's most notable supporters are among the wealthiest men in the world. Each multi billionaires, George Soros, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. Republicans are not without billionaire supporters, of course, like Elon Musk, a former Democrat party supporter. But it is Sanders, among others in the Democrat Party who consistently use this line to attack Republicans. You'd have the over 77 million people who voted for Donald Trump for president and the hundreds of thousands who contributed to his campaign. Yeah, as well as the campaigns of other Republican candidates. The percentage who were billionaires is so small as to be incalculable. A party or candidate that is for billionaires could never achieve such an electoral landslide. The tax cuts proposed and instituted, whether John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump affected lower and middle income class citizens the most. I'm not done. A little bit more. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

Nation whose leaders have vowed to wipe.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

Dial in 877-381-3811.

[Mark Levin]

I just wanted to do this last.

[Rich]

Paragraph here from On Power. Additionally, when Representative Alexandra Cassio Cortez also self identifies as a Democratic Socialist, denounces the Republican Party and President Trump as wanting to destroy Social Security and Medicare is another falsehood intended to incite fear and anger. I can think of no Republican President or Republican Congress that has sought to destroy either program. Why would they? In fact, President Trump has repeatedly and publicly said he will not touch either program. Other Republicans have over the years proposed reforms to both programs to help ensure their future viability in response to the trustees who issue annual reports warning of their prospective insolvency. And each time the proposed reforms are met with Democrat party charges of Republicans wanting to destroy the programs. So the saying that Social Security and Medicare are the third rail of politics, that is do not touch them or even talk about adjusting them. The allegations against the Republicans are even more irrational given that millions of Republicans receive benefits from Social Security and Medicare and many of them vote. So why would Republicans run on an agenda of destroying these programs when to do so would disunite their party and ensure electoral defeat?

[Mark Levin]

Obviously they would not.

[Rich]

But the purpose of the negative language as I write in On Power is not to communicate the truth. It is to deceive, manipulate and upset the public in the pursuit of votes and power. That's what's going on now with the Democrats and the so called budget debate and the government shutdown stuff. That's what's going on. Apparently we have some callers. In fact we have a full board here. Hold on one second. Let's go through this.

[Mark Levin]

One call at a time. Here we go.

[Rich]

Let's see let's see. Some of these callers are not acceptable to me, Mr. Producer. Seriously, like number three, that's silly. So let's. Let's clean that up a little bit. Let's go to Jimmy in Brooklyn, New York, on the Mark Levin app. Go right ahead, my friend.

[Jimmy]

Mark, when I came in, I just put your show on a while ago. I didn't hear the whole thing you were reading before. But that term, peaceful coexistence, whoever wrote that doesn't want that. When Reagan was president, he was presented with either a treaty or some kind of deal with the Soviets.

[Rich]

All right, let's slow down because you didn't hear the whole thing. Let's say they don't want that. I want you, Jimmy, to read all 20. 20 or 21 points.

[Jimmy]

Okay, Mark, I'm talking specifically.

[Rich]

What. Okay, let me finish and then you can talk. Okay? You didn't read it. I said you can talk. This has nothing to do with Reagan and the Communists. In this plan, if there's a violation, the plan crumbles. Israel can go in, take out Hamas with US backing. In this plan, if the Palestinians don't become something other than they are the Palestinian Authority, it crumbles. I would encourage you to read this. There's really no parallel. Now, go ahead with your Reagan Communism thing, right?

[Jimmy]

When Reagan was president, there was either a treaty or some kind of deal with the Soviets. So when he was reading it, when he saw the term peaceful coexistence, he crossed out peaceful coexistence. Because Reagan knows what that is. That was a term, a Leninist term, how to defeat us. It's in the Soviet writings. Peaceful coexistence is we don't have open war with each other, but there's not.

[Rich]

Going to be peaceful coexistence ever.

[Jimmy]

I'm just.

[Rich]

I know you're not understanding the plan, Jimmy.

[Mark Levin]

Can you read it and then call back?

[Jimmy]

Mark, that term, peaceful co.

[Mark Levin]

Thank you for your call. Goodbye. I know what that term, peaceful coexistence.

[Rich]

Means, but you're not understanding. I don't know how to put this. It's almost like a setup.

[Mark Levin]

Do you understand what I'm saying, Rich?

[Rich]

It's also. It's almost. Can I put it? The Arabs and the Muslim countries, the Palestinians, Hamas have scores of things they have to do for the rest of this to kick in. Jimmy can focus on peaceful coexistence. It's irrelevant in this case. Irrelevant. Whether it's from Lenin or Mao or Aristotle or Cicero, it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant. All Right, let's get another caller in here. Surprised at him. Normally comes in, he's a little bit informed. As I say, if you don't like the term peaceful coexistence, that's fine. Then don't use it. I don't care about it because it misses the entire point. How many of you think there's going to be peaceful coexistence in the Middle East? Raise your hand. Exactly. So Jimmy will go off on peaceful coexistence. But you're missing the point. The point is, as I read this, Hamas has to cease being Hamas. Maybe they will. Unlikely. The Palestinian Authority has to cease being the Palestinian Authority. How many of you think that's going to happen? The Arabs and the Muslims have the responsibility to literally demilitarize Gaza. That's a big responsibility. Let's see if they can do it. And so this is the way I view it. This is the way I view it. Reagan crossing out peaceful coexistum. I'm a Reagan. That has. Has nothing to do with it. That's just verbiage, that's all. Am I missing something, Rich? Seriously, If I am, tell me. Let's go to Jeff. Twin Cities, Minnesota. XM satellite. Go ahead.

[Deborah]

Mark, how are you tonight?

[Rich]

I'm okay, thank you.

[Deborah]

Fantastic. Okay, I'll just take a couple seconds. Your time. First of all, I read your book, Democratic Party Hates America. You signed a copy format for me. Great book. I am gonna buy the other one. And I have a way. And I want your opinion on this. I don't know if it can be done, but I want your opinion. As far as Curtis Lewell running against Mondami in New York, why can't he show 10-7- somehow on. I don't, you know, I don't know if he can buy TV time there.

[Rich]

Or put it on slowly down. They, the networks and the cable channels won't allow it. I've tried to show it on my show. They won't allow it. So he can't. But he can buy all the time he wants. They're not going to run the ad.

[Deborah]

Not would they run it on any type of.

[Rich]

I just told you, they're not gonna run it.

[Deborah]

Okay, all right.

[Mark Levin]

You can run it on the Internet.

[Rich]

But that misses the point. You want to have a broader perspective that you cannot run it on. On tv, whether it's cable or broadcast network.

[Deborah]

Okay. Second, I would love to go to Israel with Pastor Hagen. Can you hook me up?

[Rich]

No, I can't hook you up. That's not what I do here. But you can contact his church directly.

[Mark Levin]

I. All right, thanks for your call.

[Rich]

What's going on tonight? I'm supposed to hook up the guy with Pastor Hagee. Mr. Producer, maybe it was a joke, but I don't get it. But I recommend you go and with Pastor Hagee because he's the best. He's the best. The fact that we are killing. Okay, we'll be right back.

[Producer]

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[Rich]

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[Mark Levin]

In fact, for all I know, somebody wrote it, knew all about Lennon, and purposely put it in there.

[Rich]

But it's a distraction. We went through the whole thing. You people can look at it, too. Even as I was going through these words, what did I say, Mr. Producer? These are just words.

[Mark Levin]

That the people.

[Rich]

Who have to demilitarize Gaza are Arabs and Muslims. Under this plan that the Palestinian Authority essentially has deceased being the Palestinian Authority. Under this plan that Hamas either surrenders or is destroyed by the Israelis with.

[Mark Levin]

The backing of the United States government.

[Rich]

Under this plan.

[Mark Levin]

That does not mean it is perfect. In fact, it could all unravel. Who knows? But it's very interesting if you read it carefully.

[Rich]

There are things in here where people are immediately taking positions if you really think them through. There's some really, really smart things in here. From my. From my point of view. From my point of view. I mean, if people want to debate the substance, that's fine. But Reagan and Lenin, that. That's not. That's not going to get us too far. I don'. Where am I going here, Mr. But I'm trying to find. Here it is. Whoa, it's moved all the way down here. All right, folks, we're live and national. All right, let's take some Calls here. Let's see how we're doing. You know, there was a long period of time where I didn't take any calls. Remember that? Couple of years. Right, Rich? Long time. Long time. Let's go to Deborah. I don't know what. Miss Coast Maine. Where's Miss Coast Maine?

[Deborah]

Hey, Mark.

[Rich]

Hi. Where's Miss Coast Maine?

[Deborah]

No, I'm on. I'm on Mid Coast Maine in Canada.

[Rich]

I'm sorry, Mid Coast Maine. There's a spelling error. Mid Coast Maine on the Mark Levin app. How are you, Deborah?

[Deborah]

I'm very good, Mark. And. And I hope you're the same.

[Rich]

I am.

[Mark Levin]

Great.

[Deborah]

Let's talk about Steve Wyckoff and Marco Rubio and get some real substance conversation going here about what's going on, because this is an amazing thing. And you're right, those 21 points. Well, it was a smart guide to put that together, and we both know that.

[Rich]

Well, what I like about it is there were some things in the draft that aren't there. For instance, they're not talking about Judea and Samaria, which. Which has nothing to do with this. The language about a Palestinian state isn't really about a Palestinian state. The Palestinian Authority would effectively have to cease to exist. It's not going to do that. I know that and you know it. Hamas has a choice under this, really. If we cut to the chase without all the language, just look at it. What does it do? Either Hamas surrenders and gives up its arms or it's going to get crushed by the Israelis. With the backing of the United States government, it forces the Arabs and the Muslim countries, some of which are the same, of course, to demilitarize Gaza. For them to demilitarize Gaza, might they do it? Yes. Might they not? Of course. I don't know. But it puts the onus, really, for the first time, if you really think about this, and I'm not even sure the people who crafted this are thinking this way, it puts the onus on the Palestinians, the other Arabs and the Muslims. It puts the onus on them. And what are the Israelis losing? Not really much. They want to get their hostages back. They have the right to go back in. So I'm not sure what quoting Lennon has to do with this right now. Are you?

[Deborah]

I don't get it either. I'm with you now.

[Rich]

Look, every deal is complicated. They're not always the best. They're not this, they're not that. This is a complicated area of the world. So I come into this as somewhat of a cynic and the More I'm thinking about it and the more I'm.

[Mark Levin]

Reading about it and the more I'm.

[Rich]

Discussing it with my wife, I'm going, wait, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. When you really go through this, there's an awful lot of obligations, triggering mechanisms in there for countries, for dictators, for terrorist type regimes to do things that they've never done, and we will see if they do them, and if they.

[Mark Levin]

Don'T do them, there's really been no damage.

[Rich]

That's where my head is.

[Deborah]

Yeah. No, I agree with you and your wife as well. You know, I grew up with Jewish people since I was five years old. I have a great respect for the Jewish culture and I actually lived in a kosher house for a little while, so. By the way.

[Rich]

Thank you.

[Deborah]

It's just, it's, you know, I mean, they're wonderful people. I grew up around in my whole life and I just don't understand what all this hate is. I just, I. I can't comprehend it.

[Rich]

I think a lot of it's money. When people really look at who's gotten money for what, who helped them start their, their podcasts and everything, things of that, you start to see money, you start to see grifters hit size. Some people will do anything for a buck. Thank you, my friend. We salute armed forces, police officers, firefighters, emergency personnel, our truckers, all our brothers.

[Mark Levin]

And sisters around the world, and you, the American people.

[Rich]

What would the world do without you?

[Mark Levin]

See you tomorrow.