9/3/25 - How Trump and Reagan Approach Foreign Policy

Summary

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Mark Levin Podcast Summary

Episode: How Trump and Reagan Approach Foreign Policy

Date: September 4, 2025
Host: Mark Levin (Cumulus Podcast Network)
Featured Guest: Ben Shapiro (01:57:21–01:12:48)

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Overview

In this episode, Mark Levin draws parallels between the foreign policy stances of Donald Trump and Ronald Reagan, emphasizing America's adversaries, the criticisms leveled at current conservative leadership, and the internal threats facing the nation. Levin also hosts Ben Shapiro to discuss Shapiro’s new book, Lions and the True Story of America, examining cultural divides and the existential struggle between American “lions” and “scavengers.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump's Foreign Policy: Action vs. Criticism

(02:12–07:22)

• Trump’s dealings with foreign leaders: Trump voices disappointment that U.S. sacrifices in WW2 to help China were not acknowledged by President Xi, suggesting current diplomatic gestures are shallow without respect for American history.
  • Trump: “I thought that the United States should have been mentioned last night during that speech because we helped China very, very much.” (03:16)
• Handling of Russia and India: Trump rebuffs accusations of inaction, highlighting sanctions on India for purchasing Russian oil, suggesting further escalations are possible if Russia defies U.S. interests.
  • Trump: “...when you say there's no action, I think you ought to get your a new job.” (04:32)
• Media & ideological attacks: Levin notes Trump faces criticism from both isolationists (“nut jobs who would have us surrender”) and interventionists, yet is more active in supporting NATO, Ukraine, Israel, and U.S. military than Biden (05:29–06:09).

2. The “Peace Through Strength” Doctrine

(07:05–08:13)

• Trump and Reagan both believed in assertive, but not reckless, use of American power.
  • Levin: “He's not an isolationist, but he's not an interventionist and neither was Reagan. Peace through strength means peace through strength.” (07:05)
• Skepticism about India’s alliances, China’s enduring enmity, and the folly of viewing Trump as either too aggressive or not assertive enough.

3. Judicial Activism and Internal Threats

(09:00–15:26)

• Levin rails against Democrat-appointed judges blocking Trump from enacting immigration and trade policies, suggesting courts are staffed with “radicals in robes” undermining presidential power and law enforcement.
  • Levin: “This is a grave threat to the republic. Grave threat to this republic. Terrible.” (15:26)

4. Epstein Case & “Democrat Hoaxes”

(15:29–22:49)

• Levin and callers discuss the ongoing interest in Epstein, dismissing it as partisan theater due to lack of evidence against Trump or Clinton.
  • Trump: “So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends. ...thousands of pages of documents have been given. But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant...” (20:46)
• Levin asserts media and leftist critics will never credit Trump’s successes because of their opposition to his policies and persona.

5. Corruption Allegations Against Ilhan Omar

(23:19–36:16)

• Intensive segment on Rep. Ilhan Omar’s dramatic increase in net worth; Levin catalogs suspicious business dealings, settlements, and the apparent conflict of interest between Omar’s advocacy and her husband’s business fortunes.
  • Levin: “That's enough of this fraud, this Islamist Marxist fraud.” (35:07)
• Levin calls for federal and House Ethics investigations into Omar.

6. Israel, Hamas, and Media Misinformation

(39:29–55:44)

• Levin exposes violence by Hamas against Gazan civilians and criticizes the media for not covering such incidents, bringing attention to a new study debunking claims of Israeli genocide in Gaza.
  • Levin: “More food entered Gaza during the war than before the war.” (43:51)
• UN, NGOs, and media accused of distorting casualty and aid data, creating a “humanitarian bias” that perpetuates anti-Israel narratives.
• Levin: “It undermines the narrative of genocide and famine being committed by the Israelis. ...This report will not be noted in Mediaite... Neither is the Drudge Report. Nobody.” (52:44)

7. Ben Shapiro Interview — “Lions and the True Story of America”

(57:21–72:49)

• Book concept: Shapiro defines “lions” as builders and “scavengers” as those who tear down civilization without building anything. He identifies a coalition of scavengers threatening the West, visible in radical activism and street protests.
  • Shapiro: “Lions are people who seek to build, who believe they have a duty in the world... Then there are the scavengers who don’t produce anything themselves and who resent the dominance of the lions.” (58:00)
• Cultural vulnerability: Shapiro claims Western civilizations are “guilt-based,” making them uniquely susceptible to manipulation by shame-based cultures and movements.
  • Shapiro: “The problem is that the scavengers are waiting. They're waiting to pounce and to claw at the neck of the lions.” (59:29)
• Political implications: Both Levin and Shapiro discuss how elements on both left and right adopt grievance-based politics, which pose a risk to America’s unity and optimism.
  • Shapiro: “The grievance-mongering can really overtake the optimism, innovation and upward-looking mobility that really characterizes Americanism.” (64:06)
• Moral and religious foundations: Shapiro emphasizes the need for a God-centered view and moral clarity to maintain America's strength.
• Women’s groups & cultural contradictions: Both criticize the silence of women’s groups in the face of Islamist abuses and the contradiction of left-wing alliances with reactionary movements.

8. Corruption & Judicial Activism Revisited

(72:56–85:43)

• Levin again warns about the threat of judges in blocking Trump's executive actions (e.g., freezing Harvard funds over anti-Semitism), casting it as further evidence of leftist influence in critical institutions.

9. Urban Decline & Democratic Mismanagement

(86:58–94:04)

• California used as a case study in decline due to progressive policies; high taxes, crime, and mismanagement cited.
• Levin cites “issues insights” data: Of 20 cities with highest homicide rates, 19 are Democratic-run, regardless of red-state vs. blue-state status.
  • Levin: “If Democrats run them, it’s more likely than not the residents are stuck with prosecutors who won’t prosecute crimes, police departments that are understaffed and demoralized, criminals who... get released on cashless bail.” (92:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mark Levin:

  • “Peace through strength means peace through strength.” (07:10)
  • “Radicals in robes...they’re not going to adhere to the Supreme Court any more than they're going to adhere to federal law and the Constitution.” (15:26)
  • “That's enough of this fraud, this Islamist Marxist fraud.” (35:07)
  • “This is a grave threat to the republic. Grave threat to this republic. Terrible.” (15:26)

• Donald Trump:

  • “...when you say there’s no action, I think you ought to get your a new job.” (04:32)
  • “So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends... they're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president.” (20:46)

• Ben Shapiro:

  • “Lions are people who seek to build, who believe they have a duty in the world... The scavengers don’t produce anything themselves and who resent the dominance of the lions.” (58:00)
  • “The scavengers are representatives of what we would call shame cultures...what lions do when they are confronted with a flaw is they immediately admit the flaw. The problem is that the scavengers are waiting.” (59:29)
  • “In every human heart there's a lion and a scavenger... we decide to get up and solve those problems ourselves or blame systems and shadowy conspiracies.” (64:06)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:12 | Trump on China, WW2 legacy, and being snubbed by Xi | | 04:32 | Trump defends sanctions and actions on Russia and India | | 07:05 | “Peace through strength”—similarity between Trump and Reagan | | 09:00 | Levin’s critique of left-wing judicial activism | | 15:29 | Epstein matter—dismissed as political distraction | | 23:19 | Levin on Ilhan Omar’s personal fortune & potential ethics violations | | 39:29 | Hamas abuses & Western media coverage; Gaza genocide study | | 57:21 | Ben Shapiro interview begins: “Lions vs. Scavengers” | | 64:06 | Shapiro: The inner lion vs. scavenger, both left and right grievances | | 86:58 | California’s decline as a liberal-run state | | 92:03 | Data on homicide rates and Democratic-run cities |

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Tone & Language

• Passionate, combative, polemic: Levin is sharply critical of left-wing institutions, the media, and establishment figures. Tone is urgent and often scornful, especially toward perceived enemies of conservatism.
• Defensive and validating: The defense of Trump’s record is unwavering, attributing all criticism to partisan or ideological bias.
• Scholarly but accessible: Both Levin and Shapiro marshal detailed facts and philosophical arguments but explain them in everyday terms and analogies.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a sweeping defense of Trump’s and Reagan’s shared “peace through strength” foreign policy, warns of threats from both without and within (judiciary, radical politicians, and progressive activists), and offers cultural commentary through Ben Shapiro’s “lions vs. scavengers” lens. The tone remains combative and unflinching, with a consistent rallying cry for conservative listeners to remain vigilant and assertive in defense of American values.

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For listeners seeking a comprehensive, insiders’-view conservative critique of U.S. foreign and domestic challenges, as well as insight into the “culture wars,” this episode provides a highly detailed and opinionated analysis.

Transcript

[Mark Levin]

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[Donald Trump]

He's here.

[Producer/Announcer]

He's here now, broadcasting them from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building. We've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Len.

[Rich]

Sam.

[Mark Levin]

How about that? Hello, America. Mark Levin here we be at right here, Mr. Producer.

[Rich]

That's right. Our number, 8773-8138-1187-7381-381100. The big question to be answered is.

[Mark Levin]

Whether or not President Xi of China will mention the massive amount of support.

[Rich]

And blood that the United States of America gave to China in order to help it to secure its freedom from a very unfriendly foreign invader. And by that, he means our defeat of Japan in World War II.

[Mark Levin]

Many Americans died in China's quest for victory and glory.

[Rich]

I hope they're rightfully honored and remembered for their bravery and sacrifice.

[Mark Levin]

May President Xi and the wonderful people.

[Rich]

Of China have a great and lasting day of celebration.

[Mark Levin]

Please give my warmest regards to Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un as you conspire against the United States of America.

[Rich]

President Donald J. Trump. He's right about that, isn't he? Oh, yeah. He understands what's going on fully and completely. President at the White House today. Cut one. Go.

[Donald Trump]

I thought it was a beautiful ceremony. I thought it was very, very impressive. But I understood the reason they were doing it, and they were hoping. I was watching and I was watching my relationship. All of them is very good. We're going to find out how good it is over the next week or two. I think that we helped China very much, as you know, when they talk about freedom, and I don't believe that, and maybe I'm wrong, I hope I'm wrong, but I don't believe that America, that the United States was acknowledged for helping China to get to gain its freedom. But perhaps that was just a. That was a sleight of hand. I mean, I was very. I was very surprised. I watched the speech last night. President Xi is a friend of mine, but I thought that the United States should have been mentioned last night during that speech because we helped China very, very much.

[Rich]

Mm. We sure Did. Cut two. Go ahead.

[Mark Levin]

You've expressed many times your frustration and.

[Rich]

Disappointment with Putin, but there's no action since you took your office, don't you.

[Donald Trump]

Worry that you know there's no action.

[Mark Levin]

But don't you worry?

[Donald Trump]

What action did you take?

[Mark Levin]

I'm with Polish radio.

[Donald Trump]

Okay. How do you know there's no action? Would you say that putting secondary sanctions on India, the largest purchaser outside of China, they're almost equal. Would you say there was no action that costs hundreds of billions of dollars to Russia, you call that no action? And I haven't done phase two yet or phase three. But when you say there's no action, I think you ought to get your a new job. Because if you remember, two weeks ago, I did, I said, if India buys, India's got big problems. And that's what happened. So don't tell me about it.

[Rich]

You know, it's interesting to me. Donald Trump is taking firm action, and he's going to take firmer action. He's ratcheting it up, trying to see what kind of response he gets. And if there's resistance with this alliance and they keep pounding Ukraine and it keeps threatening the west, he's going to keep ratcheting it up.

[Mark Levin]

So it's like he can't win.

[Rich]

He's got the isolationist nut jobs who would have us surrender to this enemy, all the enemies, and then he's got the media in the left that say he's not doing enough.

[Mark Levin]

And yet he's done a ton more.

[Rich]

Than Joe Biden ever did. I mean, ask yourselves that question. He's done a ton more to support NATO.

[Mark Levin]

He's doing a ton more now to support Ukraine.

[Rich]

He's the one that's trying to step in and get that situation resolved.

[Mark Levin]

He's done a ton more to support.

[Rich]

The state of Israel.

[Mark Levin]

He's done a ton more to build up our own military and secure our own border.

[Rich]

And yet it is this constant ripping, ripping, ripping at him.

[Mark Levin]

Cut three, Go.

[Donald Trump]

I have no message to President Putin. He knows where I stand, and he'll make a decision one way or the other. Whatever his decision is, we'll either be happy about it or unhappy. And if we're unhappy about it, you'll see things happen.

[Mark Levin]

So we have one group, seriously, of.

[Rich]

Loudmouths who believe we should just surrender navigable waters, surrender the economy, surrender our.

[Mark Levin]

Allies to our enemies.

[Rich]

And you know who these bird brains are. And then we have these others who seem trigger happy.

[Mark Levin]

Now, Trump will pull the trigger if.

[Rich]

And when he needs to, but he's not trigger happy. This is what I've explained over and over and over again.

[Mark Levin]

He's not an isolationist, but he's not.

[Rich]

An interventionist and neither was Reagan.

[Mark Levin]

Peace through strength means peace through strength. They're not blind to these threats. Now some people will say he pushed China, North Korea and Russia towards each.

[Rich]

Other, ladies and gentlemen.

[Mark Levin]

China, North Korea and Russia in the last several decades have been aligned. They've been aligned. There's no surprise about it, none. Now in the case of India, Modi seems to be willing to befriend whomever he feels he needs to befriend. But I don't think he's playing his card smart. I really don't. He was standing there with Xi and Putin and he seemed ultra uncomfortable, as he should, as he should, because they were also standing there with Pakistan and other countries that are not democracies. India is the biggest democracy on the.

[Rich]

Face of the planet.

[Mark Levin]

China has been a sworn enemy. There may be a period of quiet right now, but it's not, it's certainly not going to be for a long period of time. So Modi's kind of out there now and that's to really think about what he's doing, really think about what he's doing. But on the one hand he's called a dictator trigger happy. On the other hand, he's not doing enough. I've been thinking about this. It's like trying to help the cities. If a president who is actively trying to protect the citizenry of Democrat cities, most of whom are minorities and most of whom are black.

[Rich]

Among the minorities.

[Mark Levin]

And he's under full throated attack by the Democrat Party, by minority organizations, by activists. He can step away, he could say let the blood keep pouring in the streets. He can keep pretending that the Democrats are right about gun control. You have Durbin out there. He says problem with guns in Chicago is most of them are coming from outside the city. There was a report just a few hours before this program that said actually most of the guns are coming out of Chicago. They can't control that any more than they control other sorts of things that come into the city or are in the city. Law and order means law and order protecting people and the Democrats refuse to do it. They are pushed, pulled, cajoled, threatened, bullied by the Marxist Islamist axis. They will never be supporters of the cops. Never. Name one mayor who's a supporter of the cop, who's a liberal Democrat. Name one. There are none. Their big sugar daddy Soros is busy funding Prosecutors who won't prosecute their judges, who I'm going to talk about a little bit later, are completely out of control at the federal level. They're at it again. They're at it again. You have a federal judge in Boston appointed by a radical Democrat president who, before I came on the air, ruled that the president doesn't have the authority to negotiate or fine Harvard $2 billion.

[Rich]

Mr. Producer, did you see that?

[Mark Levin]

It's unbelievable. You have another federal Democrat judge in L. A that says the president does not have the authority to bring in the National Guard to protect ice. Got that one. You have another federal judge that ruled a woman who threatened to murder Donald Trump should be released. So he released her as she threatened with postings online. This guy Bozberg, Bozo Berg. Completely out of control Obama judge. You have another judge, I should say court, two to one, two Democrats versus one Republican that ruled that the. The statute relied on by the president from the 1800s doesn't apply, therefore, a whole slew of individuals who are here illegally cannot be deported under that statute. Now, these are decisions, six, seven, eight of them that have come down in the course of the last 48 hours. And clearly the Democrats. And then, of course, we have the big one on the tariffs. If you oppose tariffs, then your place to go is Congress. Congress, not the courts. And there was a great piece in the Wall Street Journal by Professor Jonathan Adler of William and Mary Law School, basically agreeing with me in the post that I placed on social media last week and read to you on the air, which essentially agrees with the dissent. That opinion was 7 to 4, but he made the point, I made the point that tariffs are not just about economics. They're about foreign policy. They affect foreign governments, foreign corporations, foreign policy, national security. In many of the cases where Donald Trump has issued executive orders, that's exactly what he focused on. It's not a matter of Congress delegating authority. It cannot delegate to a president. Even there, as the professor wrote, and I said, and the dissent said, even there, even then. We have a long history, almost from the beginning of the Republic, where Congress has authorized a president broad authority to make determinations about tariffs. So the president is not acting outside his legal or constitutional authority, despite what our friends say at National Review, he's not. And so there's a debate on this, just as he's not acting outside his authority on the flag. A 5 to 4, 1989 decision, as I explained, that decision, and the president's executive order, his executive order does not violate the Constitution. It follows the 1989 ruling of the Supreme Court. And what's happening here? The problem isn't the President. The problem is all of these radical left wing lawyers, whether they have been judges or lawyers for left wing groups or Democrat activists. They were pushed into the court by Schumer to thwart Trump. And that's what they're trying to do. And they're back at it. Round two. We've had two speeches by two justices, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, warning the lower courts, even since the court ruled late last spring, early summer, that the lower courts are not adhering to the authority of the Supreme Court. Why? Because they're radicals in robes. Radicals in robes. And they're not going to adhere to the Supreme Court any more than they're going to adhere to federal law and the Constitution. This is a grave threat to the republic. Grave threat to this republic. Terrible.

[Rich]

I underscored this yesterday.

[Mark Levin]

All right, I want to address briefly the Epstein matter. And we have a couple of congressmen, Republicans and Democrats, who say we want.

[Rich]

To get to the bottom of this matter, release all documents and so forth. They ask, what is the bottom of the matter?

[Mark Levin]

What is it again?

[Rich]

What is the end game here, Mr. Producer? See, where is the cut here? Play cut six, please.

[Caller Holly]

I do have to ask, and I know, and it's just something that I think we're compelled to at this moment.

[Mark Levin]

With the attention on President Trump with.

[Caller Holly]

These questions around a pardon.

[Advertisement Voice]

Did anybody see or hear of the.

[Caller Holly]

President himself doing anything inappropriate as it related to Jeffrey Epstein?

[Rich]

No. No.

[Caller Holly]

Or former President Clinton?

[Rich]

No. No. These are Epstein survivors that were on Capitol Hill who testified on msnbc. That's Haley Jackson asking the question about Trump and Clinton. Did any of you survivors see anything untoward by them? No and no.

[Mark Levin]

So what is the end game here? I'm still curious. What is it?

[Rich]

The guy killed himself and that's good.

[Mark Levin]

But what is it? We'll be right back. Conservatives in every stage of life are.

[Rich]

Faced with ever increasing challenges to our values in the classroom, on campus and at work.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

So what is the issue with Epstein that we need to know other than he was an absolute monster, which we do know he killed himself. According to former attorneys general of both parties and the Current1 and FBI directors of both parties.

[Mark Levin]

That gap that existed on the videotape.

[Rich]

Well, they found it and now you can watch the whole videotape. So there's nothing hidden there. Three federal judges in different jurisdictions have all ruled they're not going to violate 6e grand jury secrecy. And I don't know what that would show anyway other than the prosecution of the specific case in front of them.

[Mark Levin]

And now you have the group of.

[Rich]

Survivors who said they didn't see Trump or Clinton do anything. So where are we going with this?

[Mark Levin]

Oh, and the latest polls show the American people don't give a damn.

[Rich]

Not one damn.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

The crackpots, the grifters, fake MAGA will keep chasing this in chase. They will. They like chasing their tails. They like chasing conspiracies. They collude with the Democrats. They collude with the Marxists and the Islamists and the anti Semites.

[Mark Levin]

That's their problem.

[Rich]

Here's Trump in the White House today trying to deal with this. Cut five, go.

[Donald Trump]

So this is a Democrat Hoax that never ends. You know, it reminds me a little of the Kennedy situation. We gave him everything over and over again, more and more and more, and nobody's ever satisfied, from what I understand. I could check, but from what I understand, thousands of pages of documents have been given. But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president. Even if you look at D.C. right now, D.C. it's a totally safe zone. It's called a safe zone. That's a term. It's a term of art. It's a safe zone because it's very safe. You can walk down the street now and nothing going to happen. No crime, no murders, no nothing. Because we had a lot of problems with certain places and we still do all run by Democrats or for the most part, run by Democrats. So what they're trying to do with the Epstein hoax is get people to talk about that instead of speaking about the tremendous success like ending seven wars. I ended seven wars. Nobody's going to talk about because they're going to talk about the Epstein. Whatever.

[Rich]

He's so right. And this is why I started the program the way I did. This man can't do anything right according to his critics, according to the Marxist Islamists, according to the Marxist media.

[Mark Levin]

According.

[Rich]

To the fake MAGA isolationist. He can't do anything right. And I feel like he's doing everything right, certainly almost everything. Don't you, Mr. Producer? I haven't been so proud since Reagan. And I worked for Reagan for eight years, but I haven't been so proud of a president. I'm just telling you the things he's doing, the way he's doing them, unprecedented by any president, any president who's had to face what he faces internally, domestically.

[Mark Levin]

There's a massive leviathan that's been built up to swallow us, to devour the civil society. He's taking it on and they're trying to devour him. And they desperately tried to eliminate him.

[Rich]

As a political force and they fail.

[Mark Levin]

Because of you and him. He deserves our support.

[Rich]

In these things that he's doing, he deserves our support.

[Mark Levin]

You may have a little piddling thing here and there. You don't like this, you know, like it doesn't matter. Look at the big picture. Look at the big picture. Now we know fully who Donald Trump is. Maybe we didn't 10 years ago, but we sure as hell know now. He is a Heroic figure. Got it. A heroic figure. That's who he is. That's what he is. Some of us, most of you, see it in real time. We know this to be the case. Others might look back and know it to be the case if we still have a republic. He sees what's going on in our schools and he's trying to address it, confront it and fix it. He saw what was going on on the border and he fixed it. He sees the deindustrialization of America and he's using tariffs not just for economic purposes, but in order to have a major impact on foreign policy. On foreign policy that improves America's foreign policy and America's national security as well as our allies. By using our economy, Reagan used our economy. Trump is using it in a different way. And they're both massively successful and massively under attack. And Trump, more than anybody, Trump more than anybody, we are being undermined by an enemy within that uses third world tactics that tried to put him in prison, that tried to destroy his businesses, that tried to destroy his family. He's a multi billionaire. He doesn't need any of this. And yet, look, and yet look, I want you to compare him to Ilian Omar. It was an America hating, Jew hating, corrupt hack politician. Here we have from Fox News, Representative Ilhan Omar's net worth has swelled to as much as $30 million in just one year. Her congressional financial disclosures reveal. And I want to give credit where credit is due. It was first reported by this great site, the Washington Free Beacon. Ilion Omar said it's categorically false to call her a millionaire. Her net worth just reached up to $30 million, an increase of at least 3,500% in one year. Got that. Much of the squad members wealth comes through her husband's winery and venture capital firm. But don't worry, she's against capitalism. Just like Mandami's filthy rich family against capitalism, don't you know? Representative Ilian Omar's personal fortune exploded upwards of $30 million in one year in 2024, the Minnesota Democrat disclosed just months after telling the press. It is, quote, ridiculous and categorically false to say she's worth millions of dollars. So don't say it. Even though she disclosed it, you're not supposed to say it. Omar reported in her latest financial disclosure that she and her husband, former political consultant Tim My net accumulated a net worth at the end of 2024 ranging from at least 6 million to $30 million. Their wealth is derived almost entirely from the value of Minette's ownership stake in his two companies that together were worth no more than $51,000 at the end of 2023. So if you're thinking to yourself, well, that sounds corrupt as hell, you're not alone. The exact value of Omar's personal fortune at the end of 2024 is unclear. Lawmakers disclose the value of their holdings and debts and ranges. Still, the figures in Omar's latest disclosures, writes Andrew Kerr, show that her and her husband's net worth skyrocketed by at least 3,500% in just one year. This makes the Pelosi's look like paupers. Like paupers. Omar's extraordinary accumulation of wealth in 2024 last year could raise uncomfortable questions for the Minnesota Democrat, who in February told Business Insider that she's been the subject of a coordinated right wing disinformation campaign that falsely claims she's worth millions of dollars. Well, that's what she claimed. Omar said any insinuation that she's worth more than a few thousand dollars was ridiculous and categorically false. She also took to Twitter in February, challenging her followers to maybe try checking my public financial statements and you'll see I barely have thousands, let alone millions. Omar has her husband to thank for catapulting her to multimillionaire status in 2024. My next California based winery and venture capital firm both achieved remarkable financial turnarounds in 2024. Imagine that. The end of 2023, my net's combined stake in both companies was worth no more than $51,000, the firm said less than $700 across all their bank accounts. And my net and his business partner, former DNC advisor William Haler, were saddled with lawsuits from investors claiming they defrauded them out of millions of dollars.

[Rich]

But by the end of 2024, my net's combined stake in the two firms ballooned to anywhere between 6 million and 30 million, and Ian Haller settled all the lawsuits with cash settlements, reports the Washington Free Beacon.

[Mark Levin]

Barnett's business activities have long been a.

[Rich]

Thorn in Omar's side, ever since they.

[Mark Levin]

Married in March 2020. They were both married to other people.

[Rich]

When they met, but the pair began an affair.

[Mark Levin]

Isn't that inappropriate for Islamists, Mr. Reducer?

[Rich]

Maybe not. Maybe Islamists can have multiple wives. Whatever.

[Mark Levin]

While Manette served as a political consultant to Nomar's campaign, which paced his firm a whopping 2.9 million during the 2020.

[Rich]

Election cycle, ladies and gentlemen, this begs for a criminal investigation.

[Mark Levin]

Hello doj.

[Rich]

This begs for A criminal investigation.

[Mark Levin]

But that was fleeting arrangement that for the financial ties between Omar's campaign and her new husband's firm drew intense public scrutiny. And by the end of 2020, my net had exited the political consulting business and teamed up with Halo to branch out into the winery and venture capital industries. Let me get this straight. So the guy's broke. They got all these lawsuits, He's a political consultant, then he becomes a multimillionaire, he sells his business, and now he's in the winery and venture capital indust. Wow, this guy's got quite a renaissance background, doesn't he, Rich? My next stake in his California winery was worth no more than $50,000 at the end of 2023. Omar disclosed the winery just $650 in its bank account in February 2024, according to court documents obtained by the Minnesota reformer. And was facing a lawsuit from Washington, D.C. businessman Naim Mod, alleging Binette andhaler failed to pay up after promising to triple his $300,000 investment in the winery.

[Rich]

In just 18 months.

[Mark Levin]

Now, Mode filed the suit in California against minette inhaler in 2023, seeking 700,000, 780,000 that is in damages. He filed a motion to drop the suit in November 24 after reaching a.

[Rich]

Settlement with the winery, the Free Beacon has learned.

[Mark Levin]

We did settle and the amount was paid, his attorney, Fossil Gill, told the Free Beacon. Gil declined to share the exact amount of the settlement. Minette and Heller did not return requests for comment. But Manette, remember the husband of Omar? Minette and Haler formed Rose Lake Capital in 2022. Claims on its website to have $60.

[Rich]

Billion in assets under management and boasts an extensive global network and expertise at structuring legislation. Ooh, imagine.

[Mark Levin]

The firm's advisory board includes two former Barack Obama ambassadors, Max Baucass and Jay Adam Airley, as well as former Amalgamated Bank CEO Keith Mestrich. Shortly after Manette launched Rose Lake Capital, Omar formed the US Africa Policy Working Group, where Omar leads, A group of 20 members of Congress committed to building partnerships with the continent of Africa. Since then, both Omar and Manette, husband and wife, have been pictured at events hosted by the group, a company that helps facilitate international investments in Africa. Got that? Omar was the key speaker at the event where African leaders and partners form in 2023, where she advocated for US investment in Africa, called on Congress to institute including, quote, a $44 billion lifeline for African communities. Now, during that same form, Hailer, in his capacity as Rose Lake CEO, facilitated a panel discussion on the challenges faced by investors seeking to get their funds out of African countries.

[Rich]

This is such a scam. This is such a disgusting scam happening right in front of our eyes. The Washington Free Beacon has laid it out and really, I am not kidding. The Public Integrity section of the Criminal division of the Department of Justice should be taking this up absolutely.100%. Rosely Capital's Minette and Haler, second venture capital firm their first used to state on its website that it managed investment funds dedicated to Africa and cannabis.

[Mark Levin]

Before Minette left the first firm in 2022, he and Haler formed a subsidiary.

[Rich]

Called Badlands Ventures to facilitate the firm's marijuana investments.

[Mark Levin]

What is with this marijuana stuff? Boehner is a lobbyist for cannabis. What is with these political head cases?

[Rich]

Oh, yes.

[Mark Levin]

Badlands, in turn received 3.5 million from a pair of South Dakota cannabis companies in early 2022, who later filed suit alleging the firm diverted 1.7 million of.

[Rich]

Their investment for purposes other than Badlands Ventures. Business folks, you would think with this trail and this sudden immense wealth.

[Mark Levin]

That.

[Rich]

A criminal investigation would have been opened already.

[Mark Levin]

When the cannabis investors demanded that money back, Hailer claimed the Office of Foreign.

[Rich]

Assets Control had placed a hold on the funds, the lawsuit stated. And it goes on.

[Mark Levin]

Of course, they settled that suit for 1.2 million. The outlet reported the Minnesota Reformer that.

[Rich]

It'S unclear how Heller was able to pay the settlement, noting court documents that showed he had less than $750 in the bank.

[Mark Levin]

Okay, less than 750 in the bank.

[Rich]

Omar reports that she and her husband.

[Mark Levin]

Are worth between 6 and 30 million. Last year, they barely had two nickels to rub together. Okay, that's enough already. That's enough of this fraud, this Islamist Marxist fraud. That's enough right in front of our eyes. I'll be right back. Conservatives in every stage of life are.

[Rich]

Faced with ever increasing challenges to our values. In the classroom, on campus, and at.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

I want to thank all of you.

[Mark Levin]

For purchasing on Power Week 5 on.

[Rich]

The New York Times bestseller list. Number two this week, but the fifth week in a row, I cannot thank you enough. And I hope you're enjoying the book and learning from the book and most importantly, spreading the word that's in the book and using the book to help defend our country and make sense of what's going on so people know how to fight what's taking place. I mean, this Ilan Omar stuff is. You got these clowns, including some of the Republicans in the House, keep talking about Epstein. Why don't they open an ethics investigation in the House Ethics Committee right now? Ilian Omar and her husband. How do you go from nothing to almost, what was it, $30 million? All these lawsuits mysteriously settled?

[Mark Levin]

I mean, we the people have a right to know. Doesn't the House of Representatives. The House of Representatives have to have some level of self respect here. She needs to be investigated. All right, we got tons more. We'll be right back. This segment of the podcast is exclusively sponsored by PureTalk. Pure Talk offers great coverage and can save your family money on your wireless bill every single month. Go to PureTalk.com to find the plan that's right for you. Thank you again for listening and thank you so much for this sponsorship. PureTalk.

[Rich]

He's here.

[Producer/Announcer]

He's here now. Broadcasting from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building. We've once again made contact with our leader, Mike.

[Mark Levin]

America. Mark Levin Here, our number, 877-3813, 811-877-3813, 811. Well, I want to draw your attention. If you're a Democrat, if you're in the media, if you're an Islamist or an isolationist, if you're a Marxist, are.

[Rich]

Just a Jew hater.

[Mark Levin]

I am posting as I speak on.

[Rich]

All my social sites, video for you. A minute, 41 seconds of Hamas terrorists torturing and beating Gazan civilians at a.

[Mark Levin]

Market with sticks and iron bars simply.

[Rich]

Because they took food without Hamas's approval.

[Mark Levin]

Why doesn't the international media ever share this? Will this be on any cable news program? Will it? Will this be on any Sunday program? Will it? If the shoe are on the other foot, you better believe it would be. Isn't this worth watching?

[Rich]

I think it is. And I'M posting it for you because who else will if I don't?

[Mark Levin]

Oh, here's another story that was not reported by any major news outlet. Network, cable, the slimes, the compost. Any of them. Any of them. You have to go to the Jerusalem Post. And it's not even a Jerusalem Post Study New study debunks Gaza Genocide, Claims, finds Flaws in UN International Reporting on the War Wow. Now you would think that's important, wouldn't you? You would think the upcoming Sunday shows are all prepared Sharpening their teeth Narratives.

[Rich]

About Israel committing genocide, war crimes and.

[Mark Levin]

A deliberate mass starvation in an ongoing.

[Rich]

War in Gaza have been challenged and.

[Mark Levin]

In some cases debunked in a comprehensive study published on Wednesday titled Debunking the Genocide A Re Examination of the Israel Hamas War, 2023-2025. The study, published by the Begin Sadat center for Strategic Studies in the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, engaged in a critical analysis to challenge the narrative of Israeli genocide during the conflict by analyzing humanitarian reporting and casualty data. Please don't let the facts get in the way. Spanning 311 pages, the study also used quantitative analysis and forensic documentation. Oh, that's too confusing. To examine and contest widely reported claims from international organizations and courts. Now, wouldn't you be interested in this.

[Rich]

If you just did a story saying that the Jews are committing genocide?

[Mark Levin]

Don't you think Tali and her ilk at the People's Conference of Marxists, Islamists.

[Rich]

And other monsters.

[Mark Levin]

Would want to know this? Led by Professor Danny Orbach, the author said their objective was to provide a factual analysis rather than any legal or moral exoneration. The publication of the study arrives at a crucial time as the IDF is poised to begin the Gideon's Chariots 2.

[Rich]

Invasion of Gaza City.

[Mark Levin]

And as the International association of Genocide Scholars now we I read to you last night what a whistleblower said. What a setup.

[Rich]

What a bunch of phony fraud freaks, I.e.

[Mark Levin]

Adopt a resolution on Monday which says the Israeli military actions in Gaza Strip.

[Rich]

Need the legal definition of genocide.

[Mark Levin]

Divided into eight chapters, each section of the study address specific allegations and themes related to the conflict in its reporting.

[Rich]

The overarching themes the overarching themes, yes.

[Mark Levin]

That emerged from the research were a critique of humanitarian reporting, a re evaluation of casualty data, and he called for a new methodological framework for analyzing conflicts. Perhaps the study's most controversial finding, they write, concerns food supply in Gaza. The researchers said that more food entered Gaza during the war than before the war.

[Rich]

Hello.

[Mark Levin]

More food entered Gaza during the war than before October 7, 2023, a claim that starkly contradicts widespread reports of imminent famine and deliberate starvation of the Gazan population on Israel's part. Now maybe somebody ought to look at that video that I just posted. According to the study, the frequently cited requirement of 508 trucks entering Gaza daily stems from what the authors called a misrepresentation by UN bodies. They point to pre war UN records showing on average of only 73 food.

[Rich]

Trucks per day in 2022.

[Mark Levin]

The 500 figure has been regularly cited throughout the war by the UN as well as international media outlets such as cnn, the Guardian and the Washington Post. Well, aren't they all swell?

[Rich]

Reporting mechanisms.

[Mark Levin]

Until October 17, 2025, Gogat, the Israeli Defense Ministry's military body coordinating activities in the territories, recorded on average 101 food trucks daily. While retroactively corrected but incomplete unwra data indicated 83 food trucks daily. In a similar vein, the study said the food that entered Gaza during the ceasefire should have sufficed until late July 2025, according to the UN World Food Program's projections. The researchers attributed the gap between projected sufficiency and reported shortage to, oh let's guess, quote, extensive looting by Hamas. You know Hamas, the terrorist group supported by cair. The terrorist group supported by Talib and Omar. The terrorist group supported by Students for Justice in Palestine. Isn't that funny? And the Marxists. They also disputed claims regarding Gaza's agricultural self sufficiency. Contrary to allegations that 44% of Gaza's food comes from local agriculture, the study said this figure was absolutely baseless. The academics calculated that Gaza's agriculture likely accounted for no more than 12% of caloric consumption in 2005.

[Rich]

Yes, goes on. Let's see here. I'm just trying to cut through some of it. What's more, stick with me.

[Mark Levin]

The authors also made the point to strongly criticize the decision to stop aid.

[Rich]

To Gaza, which the Israelis had done to pressure the release of hostages.

[Mark Levin]

Further, the study took aim at a CAS at casualty figures reported by the.

[Rich]

Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry alleging systematic data manipulation. Now this is like the fifth report that's done that. And yet cnn, msnbc, the kooks in Congress and the rest, they keep using it because why? Because it promotes their narrative. According to the researchers, the Health Ministry, per Hamas's directives, categorizes all deaths as civilian deaths.

[Mark Levin]

That the analysts found significantly skewed international reporting for their indications. The ministry's lists included age related natural.

[Rich]

Deaths, particularly women, while failing to indicate combat aged men. Who were killed.

[Mark Levin]

This selective reporting, they argued, artificially inflates.

[Rich]

Civilian casualty figures and obscures the actual.

[Mark Levin]

Now this has been proven before, but it's ignored. As of March 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry had reported over 50,000 combat related casualties. The study noted the number of reported.

[Rich]

Widows at nearly 14,000 almost matched the.

[Mark Levin]

Official excess male mortality figure of nearly.

[Rich]

14,000 for ages 18 to 59, which it found striking.

[Mark Levin]

So they're saying 14,000 women died of natural causes Age.

[Rich]

Age.

[Mark Levin]

Moreover, the authors.

[Rich]

Presented data suggesting that evacuation zones designed.

[Mark Levin]

By the IDF were significantly safer than other areas. According to their partial data analysis, less.

[Rich]

Than 4% of deaths occurred in these areas.

[Mark Levin]

They attributed higher casualties elsewhere to the failure of the UN to cooperate with.

[Rich]

The establishment of such zones.

[Mark Levin]

A substantial portion of the study focused on what authors described as systematic failures of UN and non governmental organization NGO reporting. They identified patterns of of circular citation, opaque assessments and unannounced retroactive corrections that the researchers said have distorted the international understanding of the conflict. One example they highlighted involves UNWRA again.

[Rich]

The UN their truck count discrepancies.

[Mark Levin]

While UNRA initially reported a 70% drop in aid after May 2024 and the Rafah operation, the agency quote later retroactively corrected these reports.

[Rich]

But they didn't tell anybody.

[Mark Levin]

Crucially, the authors noted, this correction was effectively unannounced and hence the supposed A drop continues to be broadly cited, that is the old figures. Separately, the study drew parallels to past conflicts, noting a precedent and flawed reporting from the 2008-2009 Gaza war. They cited former UN jurist Richard Goldstone, who led the UN fact finding mission on the Gaza conflict and later expressed regret over some of his reports. Conclusions in a 2011 Washington Post op ed, Goldstone wrote, if I had known then what I know now, the Goldstone report would have been a different document because he took the phony data from Hamas. The study extended its analysis beyond Gaza as well, examining similar patterns in Iraq during the UN Security Council's 1990 sanctions regime. Per the author's claims of hundreds of thousands of child deaths due to sanctions based on Iraqi government data were later revealed to be fabricated by the Iraqi authorities. Introducing a new theoretical concept called humanitarian bias, the report used this term to characterize what the authors perceived as systematic errors in conflict reporting. They defined this as a tendency among aid organizations to accept alarming claims from stakeholders in order to mobilize urgent action. Commensurate with the researchers, this is a bias that creates a feedback loop where factual corrections are often met with hostility or ignored altogether. And that's what you're seeing right now.

[Rich]

Because this report will be ignored by everyone but me.

[Mark Levin]

They added that even when myths are definitively disproven, corrections are rarely incorporated into public or academic understanding. An acute example. This theoretical concept, the study continued, could be seen when the UNAID. When the UNAID Chief Tom Fletcher, falsely stated in May 2025 that some 14,000 Gazan babies could die within the next 48 hours unless aid reached them, quote, aid has not reached the communities it needs to reach. This is baby food, baby nutrition. There are 14,000 babies who will die in the next 48 hours unless we can reach them, Fletcher told the BBC. Now, when pressed on how he came to this figure, he assured the interviewer the UN had strong teams on the ground formulating these assessments. Two days later, the United nations retracted.

[Rich]

His statement, with officials downplaying the original.

[Mark Levin]

Timeframe of the dire situation. The study also mentioned that humanitarian bias.

[Rich]

Can be particularly damaging when it prevents.

[Mark Levin]

A realistic assessment of the root causes of conflict and humanitarian crises, such as the actions of non state actors.

[Rich]

That's these non governmental organizations. And he goes on, this is a fantastic report which will be utterly ignored because it undermines the narrative of genocide and famine being committed by the Israelis. It undermines the radical Marxists, Islamists and Jew haters, whether they be the fake MAGA isolationists, whether they be Marjorie Taylor.

[Mark Levin]

Greene, whether they be Hamas supporting Talib and Omar Bernie Sanders and the other.

[Rich]

Marxists, even though it gives the lie to their claims. This report will not be noted in Mediaite Dan Abrams Organization unless they hear me mentioning it and choose to report it and pretend to prove me wrong.

[Mark Levin]

But they haven't reported it yet.

[Rich]

Neither is the Drudge Report. Nobody. And it goes on. So I don't know. Did I post this yet, Mr. Producer? I'll post it. We'll take our break now. We'll be right back. Foreign about your wireless company.

[Mark Levin]

Like did you know my wireless company gave away a thousand American flags to deserving vets and forgave $10 million in veteran debt? Did you know my wireless company raised almost half a million dollars to help prevent veteran suicide? In other words, when your wireless company is Pure Talk, there's a whole lot to brag about. You can even brag about the coverage you get with Pure Talk, a 5G network that is insanely fast, dependable and secure. And you can definitely brag about how much money you save with Pure Talk, Unlimited talk text, plenty of data, just 25 bucks a month saving the average family over $1,000 a year. It's time to switch to my favorite wireless company, PureTalk. Go to PureTalk.com Levin and save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, PureTalk.com Levin make the switch today. Pure Talk wireless. Worth bragging about. You know, ladies and gentlemen, you can.

[Rich]

Believe whatever I tell you. I give you the source of the information. I spend time discussing it with you. You can believe whatever I write. I give you the end notes. Doesn't mean you agree with what I'm saying, but you can believe it factually, historically, economically. I just read details of a report to you that gives the complete line. It's not the first. I've read from three different reports, but this is the latest to the famine and genocide, quote unquote, that's taking place in Gaza. Of course war is a horrible thing and people do die, but I'm not talking about that. And it will be reported virtually nowhere else, including in conservative media, by conservative hosts, broadcast media or website newspapers. It won't be reported by left wing sites? Absolutely not. It won't be used on any of the Sunday shows unless I choose to use it on the weekend. They're very important to understand the media you hate and don't trust. You should continue to hate and not trust. They hide behind the first Amendment, but they despise it. They despise the truth. They despise objective news. They despise it.

[Mark Levin]

When we return, our friend, Ben Shapiro. Lions and Scavengers, the True Story of America. This is a fascinating book.

[Rich]

It is a fantastic book. And this book relates to events that.

[Mark Levin]

Are taking place today.

[Rich]

And that's the import of a book like this.

[Mark Levin]

History, philosophy, real stuff that links to.

[Rich]

Current day, present day events.

[Mark Levin]

We'll be right back. When was the last time you bragged.

[Rich]

About your wireless company?

[Mark Levin]

Like, did you know my wireless company gave away a thousand American flags to deserving vets and forgave $10 million in veteran debt? Did you know my wireless company raised almost half a million dollars to help prevent veteran suicide? In other words, when your wireless company is Pure Talk, there's a whole lot to brag about. You can even brag about the coverage you get with pure talk. A 5G network that is insanely fast, dependable and secure. And you can definitely brag about how much money you save with Pure Talk. Unlimited talk text, plenty of data, just 25 bucks a month, saving the average family over $1,000 a year. It's time to switch to my favorite wireless company. PureTalk. Go to PureTalk.com Lavin and save an additional 50% off your first month again. PureTalk.com Levin make the switch today. PureTalk Wireless. Worth bragging about.

[Producer/Announcer]

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[Mark Levin]

We're here with our friend Ben Shapiro.

[Rich]

Ben, how are you, my friend?

[Ben Shapiro]

Hey, thank God. Doing well. How are you, Mark?

[Rich]

Good, good. Me too, me too. Ben, as everybody knows, really doesn't need an introduction. One of the great podcasters in the country, one of the top conservative podcasters out there. You've written a great book here and it's really a very, very interesting book. Lions and the True Story of America. And you use the lion and scavenger analysis and it really does work. Tell the audience what you mean by a lion and a scavenger and why you decided to use them.

[Ben Shapiro]

Sure. So lions are people who seek to build, who believe they have a duty in the world. And when they see a problem, they address it and they take primary responsibility for fixing it. They're the people who are out there fighting on the front lines. They're the people who are building the social fabric. They're the people who are innovators and risks, risk takers. Those are the people who are building things. Then there are the scavengers who don't produce anything themselves and who resent the dominance of the lions. And as failures, largely, they believe that it's their responsibility to tear down everything good, to try and kill the lions, to take domination. And it doesn't matter if everybody suffers as a result. But the most important thing is that the important things in our society be destroyed, that they be laid low. And there's a coalition of scavengers right now threatening the West. And you can see it on college campuses. You can see it in these giant procomas marches in London. You can see it in the, in the BLMD fund, the police marches. It really does threaten all of our civilization from the inside.

[Rich]

So the lions are patriots and the scavengers are these phony revolutionaries, whether they be Marxists or Islamists or whatever they are. And what is it about the lions who are so strong, so optimistic, builders, developers, as you say, taking on the problems? What is it about them, and you indicate this in your book too, that at times makes them vulnerable to the scavengers.

[Ben Shapiro]

So I think one of the most amazing things about Western civilization is the fact that biblically, we're what you call a guilt civilization. We're A civilization where we look internally, we try to find our sins and then to, and then to make reparation for those sins is what repentance is all about. That's what good people do. In a Western society, the scavengers are representatives of what we would call shame cultures. These are cultures where it's very important to make other people lose face and never to lose face yourself. So what lions do when they are confronted with a flaw is they immediately admit the flaw. And this is seen as a good thing. The problem is that the scavengers are waiting. They're waiting to pounce and to claw at the neck of the lions. When the lions say, yes, you know, I've made a mistake. And this is why there's this bizarre dynamic that has emerged across the west where lions, you know, powerful civilizations will say, sure, you know, we sinned when we did this and we're very sorry for that and we want to fix that. And people will use that as an excuse to tear down the entire civilization. So you'll say, yes, slavery was bad, but America was founded in freedom. And the scavenger will say, well you said slavery was bad because America was founded on slavery. And actually you are a beneficiary of slavery and all of America is built on slavery. So the very fact that the lions wish to correct the problem and acknowledge guilt is used by the shame seeking scavengers to destroy them.

[Rich]

It is really great point. You know when we played a clip or saw a clip of Talib on Labor Day going on and on about how the United States was founded in genocide and slavery. Exactly the type of person you're talking about, isn't it?

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes, exactly. And you saw this at this insane, ridiculous anti American summit in Detroit. It was people who I call barbarians. In the book, the scavengers are really three groups. The barbarians, looters and lechers. Barbarians are people from the outside who say that America is responsible for all the world's sins, for suffering and terrible things all over the world. Then they come to our civilization, they live high on the hog and talk about how terrible it is. It's like Rashida Tlai Bohan Omar and you have the looters who are essentially Marxists, people who believe that success is an indicator of exploitation and that people who are rich need to be torn down to the ground and more importantly, private property and free markets have to be torn down. And then there are the lechers, people who believe that their personal proclivities have to take precedence over family and church. What you see in people like Talib is this outsider mentality about America, that America is uniquely terrible, uniquely awful, uniquely evil, and therefore it ought to be laid low. And they say it out loud, knowing that many lions are too weak or too, too cowardly or just frankly, too spineless to stand up on their hind legs and say, no, you do not get to label our civilization that way. You are the great beneficiaries of the greatest civilization in human history.

[Rich]

Let me ask you this. What do you make you and I deal with Republicans or so called conservatives who always want to cut deals with these people who are really trying to undermine those who are on the front lines? I understand this. You know, there's sins and mistakes and they, they want to, they want to make them right. But when they look at history, even, even modern history, do they recognize that these scavengers are out to destroy them?

[Ben Shapiro]

I don't think they do. I think that they are operating, many of them, to, to try and, you know, steel man them. I think many of them are operating from an old premise, which was that people on the other side of the aisle are not actually scavengers. They're just people who disagree with you. And I think that's wrong. I think that the apologetic nature of many Republicans, many conservatives, has led them to this bizarre belief that if they show that they are sorry for things that they've done, that somehow this will allow for agreement or conciliation. And that's not what's being sought at all. One of the things I talk about in the book is this group chat that I've been a part of that has an enormous number of very, very rich and powerful people on it. And during the last election cycle, one of the things that came up was this idea of the marginal tax rate. And there was a bunch of billionaires on there saying, I'd be willing to give up this and I'd be willing to give up more, and really we should give up more. And one of the things I said to them is, well, you understand that no matter how much you give up, that is not the goal. The goal is not for you to pay a slightly higher marginal tax rate. The goal is to destroy you. I mean, Bernie Sanders is saying this out loud. Kamala Harris has said similar things. What exactly is it that you're doing here? But this sort of misbegotten guilt complex again, leaves lions and people who normally are innovative and risk taking and building vulnerable to their own stupidity.

[Rich]

This book is fantastic by Ben Shapiro. All his books are Lions and the True Story of America. Who's winning right now? The lions or the scavengers?

[Ben Shapiro]

You know, I think that the lions are winning. I think that the last election cycle is proof of that. But I think it can be lost at any moment. And I also think one of the things I talk about in the book is the idea that in every human heart there's a lion and a scavenger. This is like an individual battle that we all have to fight every day. Because we all have problems in our lives, we decide to get up and try and solve those problems ourself. Or do we blame systems, shadowy conspiracies that lie behind the scenes? And so things can turn very quickly. And we do live in a time with social media and a lot of corrupt politicians, that the grievance mongering can really overtake the optimism, innovation and upward looking mobility that really characterizes Americanism. They turn away from the American dream toward the this vast and ugly pessimism that says that no matter how hard you try, you're always going to fail. I think that mentality is spreading like wildfire on the left. I think it's really taken over nearly the entire left. I also think there's a corner of the right that has adopted a lot of these same tactics and these sort of grievance based coalitional political positions. And if that goes on the right as well as the left, then that really does spell kind of the end of the country.

[Rich]

You call this in the book on page 139, which is how far I got yesterday when I got the book and I underlined it, a reactionary manosphere conspiracy theories has emerged on the right to match the transgressive literary of the left. That's your point, isn't it?

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes. I mean, in that particular section I'm talking about the sort of Andrew Tate right that doesn't make the argument that men should be men or should be traditionally masculine, defending, protecting, taking care of family building, that men are actually best served if they treat women like trash, if they act like irresponsible teenagers, that there's nothing to be done for it anyway. Basically all of society is corrupt. So you may as well harm as many people as possible in the name of your aggressive instinct. And that certainly exists on the very online right. And I think you see it politically in part of the. Part of the political right that basically argues that there's some sort of shadowy conspiracy theory that lies behind our foreign policy or lies behind our economic policy, or that's manipulating President Trump. It's a bunch of horse crap. And the people who are preaching it are saying something no different than you would hear out of the mouth of an AOC or Rashida Tlaib.

[Rich]

Mm. It is they who want Trump to be what they are. And Trump doesn't wanna be and is not what they are. The book is Lions and the True Story of America. You can get it on Amazon.com right now. It is discounted by 30%. And that's what happens when a new book is hot. They try and move it. It's quantity over at Amazon. You get it in any major bookstore like Barnes and Noble and so forth. As a matter of fact, I was in a Barnes and Noble doing a signing and I saw your book, which is prominently displayed. It's a great book.

[Mark Levin]

What do you make of the fact?

[Rich]

And you can apply this to your book, I'm sure. What do you make of the fact? I was thinking about this. The women's groups are utterly silent in the face of Islamism, in the face of what you call this, this manosphere type of mentality.

[Mark Levin]

What.

[Rich]

What is with that?

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, I think that this is the true benefit of being a scavenger. You don't have to have an actual ideology of a thing you want to build. It's just about getting together with other people to tear something down. So the most obvious example of this is Queers for Palestine, right? You see people on college campuses who are marching in solidarity with Hamas, who would immediately be thrown off the top of a building in the Gaza Strip. And everybody is sort of bewildered by this. How could this be? Why are feminists marching in solidarity with radical Muslims? And the answer is they have nothing in common except one thing, which is they really, really hate the civilization. They believe that our civilization is, in the case of feminists, patriarchal and sexist. In the case of Islamists, it is westernized and biblical. In the case of Marxists, it's too free market. And it doesn't matter that there are disagreements between those various groups about pretty much everything. The thing that matters is they can get together under a wide variety of banners and march against the civilization. They can all get together to tear away at the thing. They don't want to build anything. The whole goal is to just rip down. And if you just want to rip things down, it really doesn't matter who shows up to the riot, as long as somebody brings an action, somebody brings a match.

[Rich]

This is such a great book, folks. I'm telling you. Scavengers excuse me, lions and scavengers. The true story of America. And it's not just an explanation of what's going on. You're encouraging people to be lions, right?

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, that's really the key. The key is that we can all do this in our personal life, right? We can all make decisions on a day to day level in which we take more responsibility, in which we look at the problems in our lives and make the decision to be active in our own lives, in which we forcibly fight the instinct in it in all of us to buy into this kind of giant conspiracy theory in which we are a victim. One of the metaphors that I use in the book and that I talk about a lot is the Cain and Abel story from Genesis. The basic story of Cain and Abel is very simple. Cain makes a sacrifice, Abel makes a sacrifice. God accepts Abel's sacrifice, he rejects Cain's. And then what comes next is that God tells Cain, he gives him a sort of picker upper speech. He says, sin is at your door, sin crouches at your door. But you can overcome it. You can learn from Abel or you can do something truly terrible. And Cain makes a decision to blame Abel for his own problem. Instead of trying to fix it, he decides that he's going to blame Abel. He kills Abel and of course then he has to go into exile. But the point that the Bible is making there is that in a God centered or rational or understandable universe, acting well makes your life better, acting poorly makes your life worse. And you can blame it on whoever you want. But you know, the things that require doing are going to require doing whether you do them or not. And if you choose not to do them, and instead you choose this kind of quixotic quest to tear down the very things that have made us all prosperous and free, well, you're going to end up with a much, much worse world. And your life is not going to be any better in the process.

[Rich]

And you spend a lot of time in the book weaving God and morality and family throughout the book, don't you?

[Ben Shapiro]

I think it's the most important thing because again, I think that in order for us all to truly be lions, we have to acknowledge that there is an order to the universe. And whether we do that consciously or unconsciously, we act in the universe in that way. We act in the world as though there is a cause and effect. We act in a way that suggests that we have free will and that our choices actually matter. And so making sure that that's true, you know, believing that's true, that there is a moral, there is a right and wrong, that we're not relativists, that lies at the core of everything. And if you turn into a relativist, then in the end, what you're really doing is leveling everything.

[Rich]

You're going to love this book, folks. I love it. I just got it yesterday and I started plowing through it very, very quickly. It's a very easy read, and yet it's filled with very important information and ideas that I think you're going to really appreciate. It's called Lions and the True Story of America. You can get [e-mail] right now, 30% off. I encourage you to do it. Last question, Ben, what caused you to write this book? I get this question all the time. What was it? Is this something you'd been thinking about over time or what?

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, this book was different for me. Usually I come up with sort of a concept for a book and then I research it and then I write it in a fairly short period of time. This one was written over the course of a couple of years. And so there really are almost these travelogue entries where I'm writing from different times in different places. The real initiating event was right after October 7th. I went to do a debate at Oxford University over in Britain, and I was told by my security team I couldn't stay in London because it was too dangerous because of all the pro Hamas protests. And as I was at Oxford University, one of the great historic institutions of the west, blocks away from where Richard the Lionheart was crowned, and a history university that goes back a thousand years, I was recognizing the people who were yelling at me outside and inside in a fairly dangerous way, were screaming on behalf of the belief that this institution which they were attending and which they were enjoying the beneficence of, that that institution ought to be torn to the ground and that the things it stands for ought to be torn to the ground. And this really, you know, created such enormous, you know, upset and angst that I felt I really had to sit with it and write about it and try and condense what it was that was happening into, you know, something simple to digest and understand and internalize.

[Rich]

Well, we have to leave. We could have done this for hours, you and I. I think the audience would have enjoyed it, too. The book is Lions and the True Story of America. You're going to love this book and get it on Amazon.com it'll show up tomorrow. Any major bookstore, Barnes and Noble, all the rest of them. I want to congratulate you. Great book, my friend.

[Ben Shapiro]

Thank you so much as always, Mark.

[Rich]

All right. You take care of yourself. It is a great book. You're going to love it. So you can grab his book and my book at the same time.

[Mark Levin]

Can you imagine that?

[Rich]

Mr. Producer on Power and I didn't know he was writing a book. I didn't know it was coming out in Lions and Scavengers on Power Lines and Scavengers. There it is. Amazon.com both deeply discounted because they're best selling books and I know you and this audience are going to love them. We'll be right back.

[Mark Levin]

When was the last time you bragged.

[Rich]

About your wireless company?

[Mark Levin]

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He's here now. Broadcasting him from the underground command post deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a nondescript building. We've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Levin.

[Mark Levin]

Aren't he nice guy?

[Rich]

Mr. Producer.

[Mark Levin]

I'm bringing authors on, many of whom.

[Rich]

Are competing on the New York Times bestseller list would make but it doesn't.

[Mark Levin]

Bother me if their friends and their.

[Rich]

Books are excellent or other authors who never promoted my book. And it doesn't bother me either because I have a big enough platform or platforms. So that should tell you when I bring an author on and they have a book, it's an author and a book that I believe in. And that certainly is the case with Ben Shapiro and his book Lions and the True Story of America. And again, I want to thank you folks in this audience On Power is on the New York Times Bestseller list five weeks in a row and its inaugural release, it was number one, the nonfiction category. Today it is number two. Again, thanks to you and those of you who haven't acquired a copy, I hope you'll rethink it. I hope you'll grab your copy now. It is very nicely [e-mail] as it is Barnes and Noble in Costco. Certain Costco's carry books, some don't. They got a nice inventory. Sam's Club, many, many of the other retailers as well. So it's ubiquitous at the airports, at Hudson and other bookstores, along the airports and railroad stations and so forth and so on. But it wouldn't be doing this. Well, but for you, those of you who are actually jumping in, you know, in my interview with Ben just now, he's talking about lions and scavengers and talking about we being the lions. We need to be the people who, who promote this society, who continue the great advancements, who engage the scavengers, who do not allow them to destroy what has been built before us and what we are building now. That's a very, very important message. I also think the message in my book on how power determines in so many ways whether you live a happy life, a free life, a fulfilling life, a moral life or not in its application to government, which has become.

[Mark Levin]

Such.

[Rich]

A everyday presence in our life, it wasn't supposed to be, but it is. And what's frightening and yet what should really get your, you know, Anger up is when you hear people screaming at the top of their lungs about what a rotten country it is, what an unjust society is that was founded on slavery and genocide. Many of these people have contributed nothing to the country. Many of these people are first or second or third generation immigrants to the country.

[Mark Levin]

Not all, for sure.

[Rich]

We have some great immigrants too, and also homegrown. A lot of young people who've never contributed anything to anything. And they think they know everything because. Because they had a professor who was very influential. And they all talk the same. They all talk like true believers, brainwashed, ideological, defending the wrong things, promoting the wrong things and attacking the wrong things. We hear that and we see this constantly now. So it's very important that the vast majority of the American people who love this country understand that we're up against something we've never been up against before. A true rot, a cancer, a poison from within that seeks to destroy the entire society, the entire society which we are blessed to live in. It always shocks me that when people come here, particularly from the Middle East, Islamists.

[Mark Levin]

How they attack our country because.

[Rich]

It'S not more like their country or their ideology. And you have to wonder, well, why do they come here? Because they're liars, because they escape the hellhole from which they left, and because of freedom and freedom of speech in this country, they feel they can say anything and virtually do anything. And we have a coming together of what one of these buffoons said on, on Monday, of struggles, the collection of struggles. Struggles against what? If you're a Democrat and you're a Democrat because you're a union member, you're a Democrat because you believe in these, you know, in certain things, in terms of policy and so forth, you better wake up because these people claim to be in your party or taking over your party, and they're not patriotic like you. They're not. They want to destroy your party and they want to destroy you and they want to destroy this society, society, union, non union, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. People need to wake up to this fact that within your tent, the Democrat Party. Tenth, the Democrat Party is not just allowing this cancer to metastasize within the Democrat Party, it's encouraging it because they think it'll lead to power, power, politics, elections and so forth and so on.

[Mark Levin]

And they're importing more and more people.

[Rich]

Like this and they're defending universities and colleges that promote this, as are their judges.

[Mark Levin]

As are their judges.

[Rich]

Now here we have a case. Let's see here if I can find it. The blocking of President Trump's attempt to freeze more than $2 billion in Harvard funds. A US judge in Boston. A US judge in Boston. One judge blocked the Trump administration's attempt to terminate roughly 2.2 billion in federal research funding for Harvard. Harvard, marking a major victory for the nation's oldest college. This is how they. They write this up. Major victory for the nation's oldest college. A major defeat for America. Since when does a college have a welfare right to 2.2 billion of your dollars? U.S. district Judge Allison D. Barrows rejected the Trump administration's assertion that it was attempting to strip Harvard of the billions in federal funding due to allegations of anti SEM or the university's failure to comply with the recommendations of a federal antisemitism task force. She wrote. A review of the administrative record makes it difficult to conclude anything other than defendants used anti Semitism as a smokescreen for a targeted, excuse me, ideological, ideologically motivated assault on this country's premier universities. You see what a bunch of BS that judge is filled with? We must fight against anti Semitism, but.

[Mark Levin]

We equally need to protect our rights, including our right to free speech.

[Rich]

And neither goal should nor needs to be sacrificed on the altar of the other. And we don't need lectures from a federal judge as if she's the president of Harvard or a left wing goon Democrat politician. This is a problem. Lawyers for the Trump administration had told Barrows that they had every right to cancel the funding after Harvard refused to comply with the demands made by a federal anti Semitism task force, which they sought to frame in court as a mere contract issue. Burrows. She is an Obama appointee. An Obama appointee. Anyone surprised? I mean, it's almost predictable that 99% of the time these are Obama, Biden, or Clinton judges. So now the federal government's being told he cannot, he cannot allow the President of the United States to withhold funds from the executive branch to universities and colleges. Pretty shocking, don't you think? We'll be right back.

[Producer/Announcer]

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[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

And look at a state like California, which in my view is the most beautiful of all states. And all the states have great beauty. Don't get me wrong, California is just different. And I think about when Ronald Reagan was governor. I think about when Duke Mason was governor. I think about when Pete Wilson was governor. Three great, great governors. Then I see how it began to unravel under Schwarzenegger. Now obviously Ray Davis came before him, but nonetheless and then went to hell completely. And today in many respects, it is hell. If you are a hard working person trying to make ends meet, you can't afford the gasoline, you can't afford the food. Your property taxes are through the roof. The highest income taxes in the country at all levels. Among the highest sales taxes, God forbid, if you die there, the inheritance tax, everything you've earned and already paid taxes on. If you're a farmer, you're constantly struggling, fighting the water police, constantly. If you're a small businessman, small businesswoman, you can't make ends meet. The minimum wage is preposterous. It's not based on economics, it's based on left wing politics. The state is loaded with illegal aliens from all over the globe, but particularly south of the border, massive. Hence car insurance rates are through the roof if you can get them. Crime is through the roof. They'll tell you, oh, it's coming down.

[Mark Levin]

Listen, crime is crime, Crime is crime.

[Rich]

So you take the most beautiful state in America, which was once the most prosperous state in America, and they used it as an experiment and they destroyed.

[Mark Levin]

It and now they want to control the country. Does that make sense to you?

[Rich]

There's a great site called issues insights.com issues insights.com they write fantastic editorials.

[Mark Levin]

They write. Care to guess how many of the.

[Rich]

Deadliest cities in the US Have a Republican mayor?

[Mark Levin]

I want to present some facts to the President of the United States. And I imagine this is alarming to.

[Rich]

The president to learn these facts, said California Governor Gavin Newsman. Yeah, yeah. And I'm going through this. And of course the vast majority are Democrat run cities. In one of the endless attempts to grab a headline, California Governor Gavin Newsom last week taunted President Trump saying if he's serious about fighting crime, should be sending the National Guard to red states such as Louisiana, which has a murder rate far higher than California. Newsom's attempt to troll the president failed on Sunday when Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem took the attention of starving governor up on his offer. She's fantastic. I don't think she gets enough credit. I really don't. She's fantastic, Chris. Christine Oem I'm, I'm really a big fan. Absolutely, she said on Deface the Nation when asked if the Trump administration would send National Guard troops into cities where states run by Republicans. Every single city is evaluated for what we need to do there to make it safer. But even if Trump were to follow up on this, he'd likely still end up sending National Guard troops almost exclusively into Democrat strongholds. And why is that, America?

[Mark Levin]

Because they don't support the cops.

[Rich]

They underfund the cops.

[Mark Levin]

Their prosecutors don't prosecute, their judges don't incarcerate. I mean, it's only a matter of why don't the Democrats take credit for what they've done. Why don't they take credit for the hell that they've loosed on on their citizens and their law abiding citizens. Take credit for it. Take credit for destroying city after city. Take credit for destroying the state of California, which used to be the state. Take credit.

[Rich]

Here are some of the facts that might be alarming to the Governor of California, and they provide a very significant list. Of the 20 cities with the highest homicide rates in the country, 12 are located in red states, but only one currently has a Republican mayor. And while Shreveport, Louisiana currently has a Republican mayor, Republican has run the city only 11 of the past 152 years. So maybe they've elected the Republican to.

[Mark Levin]

Try and fix the problem. It's been 50 years since Birmingham, Alabama.

[Rich]

Last had a Republican mayor.

[Mark Levin]

The last time there was a Republican mayor in St. Louis, Missouri was 1949. Atlanta hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1879. New Orleans hasn't had one since 1872. In Indianapolis, the homicide rate has been elevated ever since Democrats gained control of the mayorship in 2017. From 2010 through 2016, the annual number of homicides in the city averaged around 120. Since then, it's averaged 201. The Republican mayor of Dallas, Eric Johnson, ran twice as a Democrat and switched to the GOP less than two years ago. Well, you might ask, what does it matter who the mayor is? The reason it matters is that crime is local and local law enforcement is what matters. Your public safety as a resident is dramatically impacted by your district attorney, by your police department, by whether the local politicians support and adequately fund the police and prosecutor's office, noted a Heritage foundation research paper in 2022. Doesn't matter where these cities are located. If Democrats run them, it's more likely than not the residents are stuck with local prosecutors who won't prosecute crimes, police departments that are understaffed and demoralized criminals who, if they're caught at all, get released on cashless bail and political machines that keep these Democrats in power decade after miserable decade. Dallas Mayor Johnson said it best when he switched to the Republican Party. He said the future of America's great urban centers depends on the willingness of the nation's mayors to champion law and order and practice fiscal conservatism. Our cities desperately need the genuine commitment to these principles as opposed to the inconsistent, poll driven commitment of many Democrats that has long been a defining characteristic of their party. These are the facts, Gavin. They are indeed alarming. They are an alarming indictment of those who for far too long have maintained an iron grip on our great cities.

[Rich]

And they have a correction or an update, I should say, at the bottom where they updated their list. If you want to go look at the piece. We have all these articles that I cite, all these opinion pieces that I cite on the mothership marklevinshow.com on our website and they are they are there for you to check. We also have about four years worth of the radio program going back four years or so. Archive there too, if you want to check. The radical kooks on the left always go there.

[Mark Levin]

They try and catch me in something.

[Rich]

Or another and they never do.

[Mark Levin]

They're just stupid.

[Rich]

They have stupid headlines, stupid business plans, stupid mission, and they're all left wing kooks. That's what they are. Like the entrails media ocherite the Drudge Report Matt Drudge appears to have had a head accident.

[Mark Levin]

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[Rich]

All right, I think we're gonna jump into the gene pool here, which has been very, very good over the last many shows, I might add.

[Mark Levin]

Let us go to Holly, Morgantown, West Virginia, on the Mark Levin app.

[Rich]

Holly, how are you?

[Caller Holly]

I'm good. How are you? I'm so happy to talk to you.

[Rich]

Thank you.

[Caller Holly]

I think you're the smartest person I know, even though I don't know you.

[Rich]

First of all, I don't know that I am the smartest. But secondly, you're very sweet. Thank you.

[Caller Holly]

You're welcome. So when you mentioned Ilan Omar wanting to give Africa billions of dollars, the first thing that jumped into my head was that those actions would emulate the Clinton's humanitarian efforts in Haiti. And it's a great way for her to make more money.

[Rich]

Well, that's a great point because that went nowhere, wasted an enormous amount of money. And a violent, brutal, bloodthirsty, murderous gang now runs Haiti despite all the billions that have poured into that country.

[Caller Holly]

Yep.

[Rich]

But it is amazing, is it not? Not how wealthy she and her husband have become. And then she's promoting funding for these areas of the world where her husband has an opportunity to make another fortune. I mean, that's unbelievable to me that she's not being investigated by a House Ethics committee or the Public Integrity section of the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice.

[Caller Holly]

Maybe we can get her to be investigated.

[Rich]

I'm hoping by my making these comments publicly because these people do listen to the program, that they understand what she and her husband appear to be up to. I mean, I don't know how you go to worth a few thousand dollars to up to $30 million. And she's confessed in her own filings. Six to $30 million. Six million to $30 million when prior to that it was a few thousand dollars and constant Lawsuits. I mean, how is that possible unless you're in the. You have connections and all the rest of it.

[Mark Levin]

It's not. It's.

[Rich]

It.

[Caller Holly]

No, I agree with you completely.

[Mark Levin]

And a 3,500% increase in one year. 3,500% makes Pelosi look like a pauper.

[Caller Holly]

Yeah, well, she must be one. One of the 1% now that she complains about.

[Rich]

Mm. These marks. Just like Bernie Sanders. Notice, he used to talk about millionaires and billionaires. Now he only talks about billionaires because he's a multimillionaire.

[Mark Levin]

It's sick.

[Rich]

And of course, the media give them cover.

[Caller Holly]

Yeah.

[Mark Levin]

Well, I want to thank you, Holly.

[Rich]

Morgantown is actually a very nice town. I've been there. I love West Virginia. Actually. A lot of people are moving from Virginia and other states to West Virginia because of the quality of life there, aren't they?

[Caller Holly]

I don't know, but it is nice here.

[Rich]

Yeah. You don't want too many moving in.

[Mark Levin]

All right. Thank you, Holly.

[Rich]

God bless you, my friend.

[Mark Levin]

Let's go to Brett. Sacramento, California, the great ksfo. Brett, how are you?

[Caller Brett]

Good afternoon. Good evening, Mark. It's a pleasure and an honor to speak with you.

[Rich]

Likewise. Thank you.

[Caller Brett]

Thank you. From the land of fruits and nuts and unfortunately, lots of fool's gold. The Bible talks about Oprah gold. And I had a pastor that would talk about, you know, the value of having our. Our testings in fire in gold. She actually taught a Bible study with Governor Reagan when Reagan was governor.

[Rich]

And.

[Caller Brett]

Along those lines, my grandmother, a wonderful saint. She lived to be 100 years old.

[Rich]

Wow.

[Caller Holly]

She.

[Caller Brett]

She knew Edwin Meese and. And met Edwin Mees at a reunion. Let's see, Army Corps of Engineer reunion. And she used to go. She used to go in memory of my grandfather. And Edwin didn't know my grandfather, I don't think, but Edwin, actually. Mr. Mees, the honorary Mr. Mees, actually had a dinner, I think, at my grandmother's house is what I've been told.

[Rich]

Isn't that great? And I'm glad you brought him up and his beautiful wife Ursula, because we definitely owe them a call. And I'm going to do this tomorrow. But anyway, go right ahead.

[Caller Brett]

I would love an update about his health and, you know, how he's doing and stuff, and. But along the lines of Reagan, Gorbachev, tear down this wall, the wonderful things that he did. What do you think about how much we should have our head on a swivel or how much that America should have their head on a swivel with what perestroika and what Putin is trying to do by restoring the Soviet Union.

[Rich]

What do you think? Help me out here. Perestroika has what to do with Putin trying to restore the Soviet Union?

[Caller Brett]

Isn't perestroika the rebuilding of the. Of the USSR as, as, as. As Russia, Mother Russia or whatever is. Is basically trying to do? Or am I ignorant about that?

[Rich]

No, you're not ignorant about it. Let me look it up and get the actual definition of it. I think I know what it is, but I want to be right about it.

[Caller Holly]

Okay.

[Caller Brett]

I worked in Christian tv.

[Mark Levin]

And you actually.

[Rich]

Hold on. Now. You actually write about the reconstruction of the Soviet political and economic systems. But that was the reconstruction of the systems under Gorbachev. Right. So that would be Putin who wants to rebuild the economic structure and the systems, but he really doesn't want to do that because Gorbachev and Putin had nothing in common, and Gorbachev was starting that. It says here in 1985, Putin is going backwards. Putin wants to amass and enslave these countries that were called these. These various nations, 15 captive nations. He wants to get back to that, starting with one nation at a time. Time. But that was not Gorbachev. He was not interested in accumulating or even retaining these countries, these deceptive nations. He was interested in building up Mother Russia, and Putin is not really interested in that. Putin's interested in. Putin's the real imperialist. He's seeking to conquer. He wants to bring back the old Brezhnev Soviet Union. He's kgb. Old kgb. And that's. That's who he is. So the perestroik is more about reform, and Putin's not about reform. Hope that makes sense.

[Caller Brett]

We need another miracle on ice. I'm a hockey fan.

[Rich]

Yeah. All right, brother.

[Caller Brett]

Miracle on ice.

[Rich]

All right. You take. Well, we may get one. You never know. Maybe the Flyers will win the Stanley cup one of these days.

[Mark Levin]

All right. Thank you, my friend. Well, look, they got a great football team.

[Rich]

I'm from Philly. I'm a big Eagles fan, big Phillies fan. They're doing great. And 76ers. I used to be a big 76ers fan. I don't follow basketball as closely as I used to. It just bores me. And so many prima donnas, you know, I find there's more prima donnas in professional basketball than in baseball and football and hockey. So it's a turn off to my. Me, Just a turn off. And so in any event, that would be the miracle on ice. I think bring back the Broad street bullies. When I was a kid, that's what I used to watch. Used to go into a little back room in the house, turn on a little black and white TV. Mr. Producer, that was a 13 inch TV, might have been 11, whatever it was, had the antenna that I moved around. I was 13, 14, 12, 13, 14 years old. Would watch the hockey game. It's kind of new to us, you know, hockey. Never really watched hockey, but I started to watch it, really liked it in the Broad street bullies in the mid-70s, I guess, earlier than that, I guess. But in any event, that kind of turned me on to hockey. But they apparently outlawed a lot of what, you know, the Flyers used to do in terms of fighting. I don't know what it is. Like I'm a UFC fan now. You hear all these talk show hosts say they're UFC fans. You got Rogan, the liberal, the lefty, he's obviously a color commentator for ufc. And that's what he's good at, by the way. That's what he's good at. And. But I've been watching UFC Kill Me tonight, had this discussion, you know, the first broadcaster for the UFC was the, for MMA was way back, Brian Kilmeade.

[Mark Levin]

Did you know that, Rich?

[Rich]

Yeah. So we were swapping stories when I was in New York at Fox, talking about my book, because I used to watch those. I used to watch when they put up the chicken wire in the middle of the Nevada, not in the middle.

[Mark Levin]

Of the desert, but sort of outside.

[Rich]

Henderson or whatever it was. And guys would fight each other.

[Mark Levin]

You got a big fat 400 pound.

[Rich]

Guy fighting 180 pound guy. There are very few rules, very few rules. And I think what attracts me to it is not the blood and guts, but the idea that a man. I can't watch the women. It's just a turn off to me. I can't watch women break another women's nose. It's just not something I like. But watching these guys.

[Mark Levin]

I think what.

[Rich]

It is is watching people do something that I could never do or would never do. I've talked about this before. It's like when we were building our home in Virginia over 20 years ago. Every chance I got, I would drive out to the location and watch these guys build the house. I couldn't believe it. Heather climbing onto the roof, the brick layers, the cement cement. The pouring, the cement evening out the cement. All the specialties with the tile guys watching the plumbers and the elect. I mean, it fascinated me. It still fascinates me that people actually do things with their brains and their hands that I cannot do. I can't do it.

[Mark Levin]

Now I suppose if I concentrated on it, I could do it, but I.

[Rich]

Can'T concentrate on it. And I rely on their expertise.

[Mark Levin]

This is why I have the greatest.

[Rich]

Respect for blue collar workers who do.

[Mark Levin]

Things I cannot do. And they're going to live a lot longer without all the niceties of life.

[Rich]

Than somebody like me. So I'm very impressed with people like this.

[Mark Levin]

Very. Or when I get off an airline.

[Rich]

I always, if they step out, thank the pilot and the co pilot. They're doing something I could never do.

[Mark Levin]

You could never do it.

[Rich]

Even the flight attendants and waiters and waitresses and so forth. I can't do that. Why?

[Mark Levin]

Well, it's not that I can't carry. I have no patience. And if some guy makes a funny look at me because he has three ice cubes rather than two or something like that, I'm annoyed. I don't know how they keep their cool. I really don't. So I have great respect for people.

[Rich]

Who do things that I either can't do or I won't do.

[Mark Levin]

Seriously, like you, Mr. Producer, I can't.

[Rich]

Do what you do.

[Mark Levin]

I don't really even know what the hell you do do, to be perfectly honest with you. He's got the board, he's got that. I don't want to know. I got other things I got to think about.

[Rich]

But I have a guy who I rely on to make it work. That's all I know. I'll be right back.

[Producer/Announcer]

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[Rich]

See if we can slip another caller in here. Don't have a ton of time.

[Mark Levin]

All right.

[Rich]

Oh, what the hell did I do?

[Mark Levin]

Mr. Pinto, sir, give me a caller. Rich, quickly.

[Rich]

Let's go.

[Mark Levin]

Ivan. Miramar beach, our buddy, Florida. We have a little bit of time.

[Caller Brett]

Go, Mark, my friend.

[Caller Holly]

Hey, listen, even if you can't do.

[Mark Levin]

It now, I want you to read Zephaniah chapter 2, verses 1, 1 through 7. It might give you a little bit of.

[Caller Brett]

It may explain a little bit of.

[Ben Shapiro]

What'S going over in Gaza right now.

[Caller Brett]

I'll read, you go. A little bit of it.

[Caller Holly]

Gaza shall be forsaken. And Askalon of desolation says woe unto.

[Caller Brett]

The inhabitants of the sea coast to the Lord.

[Mark Levin]

All right, my brother, we're out of time. I appreciate it. We got the referee. I want to salute all you folks out there. Thank you very, very much. God bless you, and we can do it again tomorrow.

[Rich]

See you then.