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MG
Taken a major hit too, but they own more Bitcoin than anybody. So does that position themselves to be one of the most valuable companies on earth at some point or are they fly by night holding company that soon there'll be a million different holding companies similar to them?
Troy
I've said it before, Michael Saylor is the new Kathy woods. And while I love the strategy, the same way that they took her strategy away from her, they are going to find a way to take his strategy away from him. Brilliant strategy to put once again, hyper concentration. He didn't do 25 Bitcoin, 25 Cardano, 25 Ethereum. There's a reason why. My only fear is they see the strategy working so well, they're going to find a way to take it away from him. And as you alluded to you, like, you have to look at the. The competition list. When the government, eventually they'll buy bitcoin at scale and make a reserve in the fund. And because if those. His ratings go down long enough, Trump's going to find a way to buy bitcoin and say that all of Americans own it and give a bitcoin dividend. You have to look. So as Rashad alluded to, they're going to put some other players in that space to compete against him very soon. But great strategy. That's tough, man. It's a tough environment.
Ian
Yeah.
Troy
Going back to what you said about staying silent, I put this on Twitter. Like, if you really love trading and investing, at some point you have to stop talking about it, because then you give too many entries into your ecosystem to give your strategy away. Why? He's been an amazing advocate for bitcoin. Watch. Over the next two years, they strip it away from him. Because if you own the most valuable asset in the world, allegedly, how is your stock falling when you own more of it than the government does? It makes no sense.
MG
Well, it's because bitcoin's falling.
Troy
But if he bought it at a great price, why is the stock still falling?
MG
He didn't buy it at a great price, though. He bought it. He. He bought bitcoin at any price. He's bought Bitcoin at $108,000.
Ian
But that's. Now he's had the stockpile prior to that.
Troy
Yeah.
MG
No, I'm saying he bought it. I think his average buying is like around 80,000. But long story short, I mean, I think that he's positioned himself as, as directly tied to bitcoin. So if bitcoin goes down, then the sentiment of his company has to go down.
Ian
Yeah, but so then he keeps purchasing more. Right. So then the, the question becomes, where are they getting liquidity to purchase more each time?
MG
Well, they're issuing stock shares. They're selling stock. They're doing borrowing. They're borrowing money.
Ian
That's when the stock falls, then.
Troy
Yeah, that doesn't.
Ian
That's not going to work long term. Right.
Troy
If the stock keeps falling, inflation continues to go up.
Ian
Yeah. And the stock is not falling at the same rate that bitcoin is falling. It's falling faster.
MG
Because it's very interesting. That's his whole, his whole strategy was that it's bitcoin with More volatility. So that was his strategy even with traders. Is that okay? Bitcoin goes up 10. Michael strategy is going to go up 30, 25. That's what he pitched. But the volatility comes with downside volatility as well. So that's Michael's whole. That's Michael Sailors whole. Because other than that, it'd be like, why not just buy bitcoin? So his philosophy is that this allows you to essentially to track bitcoin, but bitcoins are very already extremely volatile. Microstrategy is even more volatile.
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So now this gives you because before you couldn't have option trades on bitcoin. So at that time it was like okay, this allows you a trading option option for bitcoin. But now you can but now it's like even more so of the volatility play to if you really believe in bitcoin now, think bitcoin gonna go up 30%. You have micro strategy is going to go up 70%. So. But on the downside, Bitcoin goes down 30%. Micro strategy goes down 50%.
Ian
Yeah. And then in terms of cycling for bitcoin, right, like we said this year, having was last year and two years after having, we start to see a pullback. If that continues, then the strategy of selling to buy more, it becomes crumbles. Yeah.
MG
It becomes problematic if the cycle continues. This is supposed to be the best year for bitcoin.
Ian
That's what I said.
Troy
But two years, I'm saying two years for it.
Ian
Yeah. It's gonna be a. Should be. Well, historically, it's been a hard.
MG
You buy enough bitcoin to win, essentially you don't have. You don't. You don't just keep buying bitcoin forever. But I mean, he already holds more bitcoin. Any other entity in the world. So. So it's like gold, right? Like, if you have more gold.
Ian
Is he number one?
MG
Who's number one?
Ian
I don't think he's number.
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I think he's number. He's in the top five, but I don't know if he's number. I'll look it up.
MG
No, he's definitely top three.
Ian
Okay, I'll look it up.
MG
But. So it's like, okay, if you position yourself as the. As the. The holder of the most valuable asset in the world, then it's just up from there. If you believe that it's going to keep continuing to go up over the course of time. When it goes to a million dollars and you have hundreds of thousands of bitcoin, I mean, the world is at your mercy. You can, you can lend bitcoin out at that point, you can do whatever you really want. Whatever you want to do.
Ian
Yep, he's number five.
MG
Who's the top five?
Ian
Well, you know, they. Satoshi is obviously one, but Binance is two, Grayscale is three and Black Rock is four. And then Michael charging top five.
Troy
Top five. Top five.
MG
But even that, I mean, I still put him in number one because those other ones are brokerage. So those are. Those. They have bitcoin, but those is actually brokerage he's holding as a. As a company. Right. They're not a brokerage. So he's hold. He's. He's just holding his bitcoin. No, they buy bitcoin. They. They sell the bitcoin. It's. It's like a revolving door. He's just. He's just hoarding bitcoin.
Ian
Yeah. Binance kind of operates in both worlds. They Brokerage, but they have their own brokerage. They have their own coin which trades off the bit. It's there.
MG
But they have to have enough bitcoin because people buy.
Ian
Exactly. Yeah.
MG
Nobody's buying bitcoin for microstrategy.
Ian
Right.
Troy
So much I want to say, but I'll reserve my content two years from now.
Ian
Where's the US Government in all this? I think they never.
MG
What's the, what's the real story behind the bitcoin conundrum?
Troy
I don't, I don't know. Me or mine. I don't know. Wait. Come to invest fest after hov get off stage.
MG
Is bitcoin headed to Mike? Well, not Michael. Tom Lee had a, had a scenario where bitcoin could go to $5 million. Now all the stars had to align for that to happen.
Ian
You ever seen this?
MG
Yeah. So do you. Is bitcoin you see bitcoin ever getting $5 million but he.
Troy
If you watch the clip with time that's if it was. It was a one to one ratio with the value of gold and that's not currently there. Could we ever get to 5 million? Hypothetically? Maybe like 20 or 30 years from now.
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Market Mondays: Episode Summary - "MicroStrategy and the Bitcoin Rollercoaster"
Released on March 16, 2025, "Market Mondays" hosted by the EYL Network delves into the intricate strategies of investing in the volatile world of Bitcoin, with a particular focus on MicroStrategy's bold maneuvers in the cryptocurrency market. In this episode, host Ian Dunlap, along with co-hosts Troy and MG, engage in a thorough discussion dissecting MicroStrategy's investment tactics, the inherent risks, and the future outlook of such a strategy.
The episode kicks off with an in-depth exploration of MicroStrategy's aggressive investment in Bitcoin. MG highlights the company's significant holdings and the strategic intent behind their accumulation.
MG [01:55]: "They own more Bitcoin than anybody."
This statement sets the stage for understanding MicroStrategy's position in the cryptocurrency arena, positioning them as a major player with ambitions to become one of the most valuable companies globally through their Bitcoin investments.
Troy draws a parallel between Michael Saylor, MicroStrategy's CEO, and renowned investor Cathie Wood, suggesting that Saylor is pioneering a similar high-stakes investment strategy.
Troy [02:21]: "I've said it before, Michael Saylor is the new Kathy Woods."
This comparison underscores the high-risk, high-reward nature of MicroStrategy's approach, emphasizing concentrated investments in a single asset class—in this case, Bitcoin.
A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the volatility of Bitcoin and how it amplifies MicroStrategy's stock performance. MG explains that while Bitcoin's movements directly impact MicroStrategy's valuation, the company's stock exhibits even greater volatility.
MG [05:39]: "MicroStrategy is going to go up 70%. So on the downside, Bitcoin goes down 30%, MicroStrategy goes down 50%."
This highlights the amplified risk and potential rewards of MicroStrategy's concentrated Bitcoin strategy compared to holding Bitcoin directly.
Ian and Troy delve into the sustainability of MicroStrategy's strategy, questioning how the company plans to maintain its aggressive Bitcoin purchases amidst fluctuating market conditions.
Ian [04:43]: "But so then he keeps purchasing more. Right. So then the question becomes, where are they getting liquidity to purchase more each time?"
The discussion reveals concerns about MicroStrategy's reliance on issuing stock shares, selling assets, and borrowing funds to sustain its Bitcoin acquisitions, especially when the company's stock is underperforming.
The potential for governmental intervention emerges as a critical factor that could disrupt MicroStrategy's strategy. Troy speculates on possible government actions to regulate or absorb Bitcoin holdings on a massive scale.
Troy [03:42]: "As Rashad alluded to, they're going to put some other players in that space to compete against him very soon."
This introduces the possibility of increased competition and regulatory pressures that could challenge MicroStrategy's dominance in Bitcoin holdings.
The conversation shifts to the long-term prospects of MicroStrategy within the Bitcoin ecosystem. The hosts discuss whether MicroStrategy can maintain its position as a leading Bitcoin holder and the implications of such dominance.
MG [08:16]: "If you position yourself as the holder of the most valuable asset in the world, then it's just up from there."
This optimistic view is counterbalanced by the practical challenges of sustaining such a strategy amidst market volatility and external pressures.
In the closing segments, the hosts speculate on Bitcoin's future, referencing industry predictions and the potential for Bitcoin prices to surge dramatically under the right conditions.
Troy [10:39]: "If you really believe in bitcoin now, think bitcoin gonna go up 30%. You do MicroStrategy is going to go up 70%."
This encapsulates the high-risk, high-reward nature of investing in MicroStrategy's Bitcoin-heavy portfolio, suggesting significant returns if Bitcoin's value continues to climb.
Conclusion
The episode "MicroStrategy and the Bitcoin Rollercoaster" provides listeners with a comprehensive analysis of MicroStrategy's aggressive Bitcoin investment strategy. Through insightful discussions, the hosts highlight both the potential rewards and the substantial risks associated with such a concentrated approach. Notable concerns include the sustainability of continuous Bitcoin purchases, susceptibility to market volatility, and the looming possibility of governmental intervention. As Bitcoin continues to evolve, MicroStrategy's bold strategy serves as a case study for investors navigating the tumultuous waters of cryptocurrency investment.
Notable Quotes:
These quotes encapsulate the essence of the discussion, highlighting the scale of MicroStrategy's investments, the strategic vision behind them, and the inherent risks tied to such a volatile market.