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John
The stock market. The Dow dropped 700 points on Friday.
Mike
Yep, yep, yep.
John
You know, picked up today. But it's still a lot of uncertainty in the market. Right. Like, it's been choppy ever since.
Mike
Deep seat.
John
Yeah. Ever since Trump got in office, it's been choppy. So, okay, and that Friday was the worst day of the year as far as stock market white ball. So are we in a cycle of buying opportunity? Are we in a cycle of uncertainty? There's a lot of people that's, that's kind of nervous people that might have just started investing in the stock market. What are we saying to these people?
Sarah
Number one, I understand your concern and uncertainty, but lesson number one, whenever there's volatility to the upside of the market, the market is always going to do the reverse. So the first 30 days he was in office, everything to the moon. The only person who may not be facing this volatility right now is probably Elon. Every other market, as a result is slowly coming back and reverting to the me so this was bound to happen. We will start to recover probably either between this evening and Thursday. Point number two, expiration happened in the futures market. So there was a lot of selling of contracts. And we'll talk about Buffett selling off VO as he's doing his session planning. But there's a combination of factors of now there's a lot of people that are starting to get worried about the impacts that the aggressive cutting through Doge is, is going to have. Interest rates are a concern again. And once again we're at the top of the market. We're almost at a high. If it wasn't for this drop, we were close to getting to back to all time highs. So this was kind of overdue. But the main concern is the plan based on executive leadership in Washington as Doge being too aggressive. And then if we're going to be very honest, max 7 is not performing. Out of that max 7, the only one that's produced some amazing news. We'll talk about Apple and that flop of a phone announcement. Microsoft's quantum chip is the only thing in the Max 7 that has been positive news for like the past two or three weeks. So we were overdue for this pullback.
Mike
Well, well, in terms of positive movement, the only one that's been moving is Meta. And obviously they went on a historic run for 21 days straight where they saw appreciation in the stock price, which is unprecedented. So for them to pull back makes sense. But if you really circle the data, it's really you know, the deep seat information that came out and we haven't recovered from that, which is okay, I'm, I'm okay with that for a number of reasons. It gives you better entry points. It's the same story, right? When, when, when things start to sell off, people are taking profit. I think we need to understand that part, right? So even when we, and we'll talk about Palantir, when we start hitting all time highs, people are going to take profit. And so when people sell shares, you're going to see movement on to the downside on some of these, these stocks. But I'm always looking at it as an opportunity to buy. Anytime I see numbers pulling back to, you know, where I had them as entry points, I'm looking at community. But it is a big week. And it's funny that you said we should see some movement between Tuesday and Thursday because Wednesday is probably the biggest day of the first quarter. And that's Nvidia reporting its earnings. When we talk about AI spending, if you look, and we went over this two weeks ago when we talked about Amazon saying that they're going to spend a hundred billion into the AI revolution, we talked about Google saying they're going to spend 85 billion and Microsoft's going to spend 85 billion. Well, there's this company by the name of Apple that, that just said that they're going to allocate 500 billion over the next four years, which is about 125 billion. Right. And then, so if there is a pullback, somebody hasn't told these people. But what was interesting, we talk about the United States from a standpoint of the data set and revolution. But this company named Alibaba said something on Friday and reallocated today about their spending to the AI revolution. So they're allocating over 70 billion. This is a Chinese.
Sarah
Right.
Mike
So when we talk about deep seek and doing things at an efficient level. Well, how is that possible? Because Alibaba just said that they're going to buy 230000 GPUs to facilitate this revolution. 230000 this year.
Sarah
So yeah, it's an international war for sure. Like this race in this GPU market, China versus US is heating up.
Mike
Yes.
Sarah
And at some point. Go ahead.
Mike
No, I was gonna say this. This is the war, Right. So like if they were, if it was gonna be more efficient and it was going to be less spin, Alibaba has learned something different, Right. And so what we have seen is that the more compute power that you generally have is going to translate to a better model. Right. That's what, that's what it has shown. Right. Whether it's from Elon, what he's doing with Gronk, or whether there's Claude with Anthropic or it's chat, gbt, whatever they are, the more money that they're spending into the general compute, they're having better results. And when they don't, the competition is. And if the competition does now, you know you have to up your spend again. So. Yeah.
Sarah
And at some point, Microsoft, Google, Grock, open air, despite all the issues that Sam and Elon have had, they're going to have to at some point figure out how to figure their own tech all Star Game and work with each other before China does get an edge. I do think the deep sequels of Trojan Horse of misinformation. But to the bigger picture though, Alibaba, there are a couple companies that are working on having enough compute to actually be a real threat that will topple our market. So is it a bond opportunity? Yes, but this is a race to see who closes the gap on who has the most market share in GPU and who wins the AI war the next five to seven years.
Mike
When we talk about Catalyst events, it's just not a domestic thing. You have to watch international news. And so when the president of China calls all of the largest cap companies to have a meeting and then five days later, this is an announcement after that meeting that tells you something. And so Alibaba. Yes. I would watch what Badu does. Right. Because when we're talking about Alibaba, we say, oh, that's the Chinese version of Amazon. Well, Baidu is the Chinese version of Google. So you got to start watching what these companies start doing inside of AI.
Sarah
Yep. And BYD versus Tesla, another one as well. Like, this is the real tech civil war and we cannot afford to lose this because if we lose this race, we lose the bioengineering of organs race. We're going to lose some of the blockchain race. Like we can't afford to lose.
Mike
No, we can't. I don't think we're going. We're not going to, and we can't both.
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Market Mondays: Episode Summary
Episode Title: Navigating Market Volatility: Insights on AI, Stock Opportunities, and Global Competition
Release Date: February 27, 2025
Host/Author: EYL Network
Participants: John, Mike, Sarah
The episode kicks off with John addressing the recent turbulence in the stock market, highlighting a significant drop of 700 points in the Dow last Friday (00:00). Mike confirms the severity of the market's downturn, setting the stage for an in-depth discussion on the current state of the markets and strategies for investors navigating these uncertain times.
Market Downturn and Investor Sentiment
John reflects on the persistent market volatility since Trump's inauguration, noting that such fluctuations have made the investment landscape particularly challenging for new investors (00:17). This sentiment is echoed by Sarah, who emphasizes the cyclical nature of market volatility. She advises that "whenever there's volatility to the upside of the market, the market is always going to do the reverse" (00:43).
Key Factors Driving the Downturn
Sarah outlines multiple factors contributing to the current market uncertainty:
Bearish Outlook on Major Tech Companies
Sarah criticizes the performance of major tech companies within the Max 7 index, stating that only Apple and Microsoft's quantum chip initiatives have shown positive news recently (00:43). She points out that other companies like Apple's latest phone announcement were disappointments, signaling an overdue market pullback.
Positive Movements and Buying Opportunities
Mike shifts the focus to the positive movements within the market, highlighting Meta's unprecedented 21-day stock price appreciation before its recent pullback (02:24). He views the downturn as an opportunity for investors to buy stocks at lower entry points, stating, "Anytime I see numbers pulling back to... I'm looking at community" (02:24).
Upcoming Catalyst Events
Mike anticipates significant market movements between Tuesday and Thursday, driven by key events such as Nvidia's earnings report on Wednesday—the biggest day of the first quarter (02:24). He underscores the substantial AI investments by leading companies:
China's Strategic Investments in AI
Sarah and Mike delve into the global competition in AI, particularly focusing on China's aggressive investments. Mike mentions Alibaba's commitment to allocate over $70 billion and purchase 230,000 GPUs to advance its AI capabilities (04:09, 04:27). Sarah expands on this by describing the situation as a "tech civil war," emphasizing the high stakes involved in the AI race (05:12).
Implications for the U.S. and Global Markets
Sarah warns that if companies like Microsoft, Google, Grock, and OpenAI do not collaborate effectively, China could gain a substantial edge in AI technology (05:12). This technological competition extends beyond AI, impacting fields like bioengineering and blockchain, which are crucial for future advancements (05:12).
Strategic Recommendations for Investors
Mike advises investors to monitor international developments closely, as global actions significantly influence domestic markets. He specifically points out Baidu, the Chinese equivalent of Google, as a key player to watch in the AI sector (06:29). Sarah concurs, highlighting the importance of understanding these global dynamics to make informed investment decisions (06:49).
The episode wraps up with a consensus that the current market volatility, while challenging, presents strategic buying opportunities, especially in the tech and AI sectors. The intense global competition, particularly between the U.S. and China, underscores the critical importance of AI investments for future market dominance. Investors are encouraged to stay informed about both domestic and international developments to navigate the evolving landscape effectively.
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This episode of Market Mondays provides a comprehensive analysis of the current market volatility, the strategic shifts in AI investments, and the intensifying global competition between tech giants. Hosts Mike and Sarah offer valuable insights and actionable strategies for investors aiming to thrive in these turbulent times.