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Analyst 1
First, we're going to start off it was earnings week last week.
Analyst 2
Yep.
Analyst 1
So a few interesting things happened during earnings, but one of the, one of the biggest ones was that Tesla reported and Tesla reported and when they reported, they reported a net profit loss of 71%. What? 70? At the office, Tesla reported a sharp 71% drop in, in net income for the first quarter of 2025, earning 490 million compared to the same period last year. The decline was driven by falling vehicle deliveries which were down 13% and a 20 reduction in automotive revenue.
Analyst 2
There's another interest that, that was in there. There's regulatory credits meaning like when you buy EV and you get credit, like I said, that actually was more than the operating profit margin of the quarter.
Analyst 3
Think about that, literally liability of our asset.
Analyst 1
So it's a few interesting things at play here. Right. Because we talked about that on Monday. As far as Tesla, I was saying that, you know, I, I think it's a misnomer to say that Tesla's a tech company, it's a car company and cars their main source of income. And that's not been going well and everybody knows about Elon. And so it was a lot of negative situations. But after, after 71 drop, the stock actually went up, which is interesting.
Analyst 3
Right.
Analyst 2
When that conversation last week we said, now I remember saying this, right, They've had terrible lead ups into their earnings report and after their earnings report, somehow they always seem to have the, the stock price go up. It was like, what's the next trick? What's the next trick? And boom, here comes the next trick.
Analyst 3
Well, he got on the conference call and did that, maybe I'm gonna do better play.
Analyst 1
Well, that's. So that's the thing. So people was wondering. They're like, okay, everything is going downhill for, for Tesla as far as the numbers are concerned, Elon, public perception and everything. Why is Tesla stock going up? And it went up, I think, like, two days in a row after the report.
Analyst 2
It's up 20% over the past five days.
Analyst 1
So the thing about it is that it's mainly up because he said that he was going to spend less time at Doge and focus more of his attention back on Tesla. And based off that, a vote of confidence was given by the market that they were happy that he would. He would refocus his energy on Tesla and, and make this, this, this thing work. So I'll let everybody get their perspective, but for me personally, like I said, I don't think it's going to work because Tesla is already having serious problems in China, in America, in Europe. We've talked about all this stuff, and just because Elon says, okay, now, now I'm going to focus again. That's like, you know, being in a marriage, then just checking out for two years, and then, okay, now I'm gonna be the husband that you want to be. Like, two years have already passed.
Analyst 3
Financial gaslighting.
Analyst 1
Yeah, I'm gonna be a better man. But I tell you what, it's, it's. It does speak to some level of privilege because some people are afforded the opportunity to fail and there's no consequences for it.
Analyst 3
Yeah.
Analyst 1
Like if, if he was another CEO, if he was a different person, it wouldn't even, like, the whole thing of, like, di hire is because they're saying that people's not competent to do what they want to do. Right. Like, so it's like, it's pretty amazing when you can literally just take eight months off at a time, ruin a company, and then come back like, yo, my bad, I wasn't focused. You're rewarded for your negligence. So it's a lot of interesting dynamics, but what's your take?
Analyst 3
I'll pick up from. Where were you lucky you left off? Remember last year and two years ago I was saying it was a mistake to discount the price of the cars and he wasn't focused. And he'll probably go to chairman because he sees that Starlink is the brightest star in the draft. We'll talk Wednesday about draft miss selection. But I do think a Focus Elon is a dangerous Elon. But I don't. I think it's been a long time since he's been focused on this car company. Parents I know at the family reunion and after school you always tell your kids you love them equally. But the truth is when you build portfolio companies you have to fake. And Tesla for a long time has not been that for him. We look at the company, I know some of people push back about it being a tech company. It has technology in it that is almost anti it now everybody got the big iPad, so do I like the light off system? Yes. But gross margin 17% net margin 6.72% and when you got reclassified sh bro this point, when you go from luxury car to now it's like select car in Uber. That is not great for classification standpoint. And then when your CEO leaves for eight months at a time or nine months of the time to run a failed effort when and. And it also made his popularity rating go down to the lowest it's ever been in 15 years. I think there's some asymmetric risk here.
Analyst 2
Yep.
Analyst 3
If we get to 10403 I would like to pick up some more shares there. But I think Tesla has lost its lead and advantage by not being focused and focusing on the things that matter to their consumer.
Analyst 2
Yeah, I think Elon, it's, it's, it's interesting. Right. I'm glad you brought up the word privilege because had this been another CEO with names like this on a complete mission to have that level of confidence put into a stock is ridiculous based on the CEO. But we've seen it before. Whether it was him in 2021 when it was the remnants of hey, he's focusing on SpaceX and now his attention is there and he's kind of forgot about Tesla or whether it was Starlink in 23 and his attention was there and that's going to be the thing that gets him out of this and. But he forgot about the main thing. In fact we even had debate about yo. When the main thing is the main thing, you got to make sure you treat it like the main thing will get you to a different place. I'm sure Starlink will be one of those innovations that revolutionizes technology from a connectivity standpoint.
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Analyst 2
But the main thing right now is the EV company slash with tech components which is another part of the confidence that, that you know, a lot of the, the stockholders and the shareholders saw. And so now him saying I'm going to refocus, I'm going to get back to it. The confidence is there. The other part is, is the Belief.
Analyst 3
Right.
Analyst 2
So when you looked inside of the call, what do you talk about? Autonomous driving. That's still on schedule. Before it was going to be delayed. Now it's still scheduled for June. The robo taxi, same thing. What he didn't mention was what they're going to do with the cybertruck, which is. Hasn't really worked out the way they thought it would. And what is going to happen with the Model Y? They were supposed to put out a new one. Then when they dropped the board, it's not selling the same way. So what, what do you do inside of that? Because that's your bread and butter, right? That Model Y is a number one seller. You just talked about 13 decline in sales year, year to year to date, as opposed to last year. So what is the Model Y? What's going to change it? What type of innovations are going to happen inside that? Are you going to be able to customize it? I know some of the things that people who are, you know, big Tesla drivers are some of the things that they're looking forward to or want inside of a vehicle.
Analyst 3
So what happens there?
Analyst 2
Right, but the thing is, like, the main thing is still the main thing. Yes. You're going to refocus. But we've seen this happen before, right? Look at 21, look at the stock, look at 23. Look at the stock, look at 25. I'm gonna refocus. I'm gonna be a better man. I'm gonna be a better man.
Analyst 1
Yeah.
Analyst 2
Believe in them. And so this is what we see. 20 in five days is crazy to have the type of miss that they had.
Analyst 1
It.
Analyst 2
It doesn't really add up. It doesn't make sense. So when people ask, you make sense of it.
Analyst 3
I mean, there is a difference. When Michael is on the court versus BJ Armstrong, though, he can't act like his shot to bj, I want to smoke. But when? If he's in office, in headquarters, a sound mind, he is still one of the richest men of all time, one of the greatest entrepreneurs of all time. But for everyone who keeps saying that they're a tech company, if they attack.
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Market Mondays: Tesla's 71% Profit Plunge & Elon’s “Refocus” Promise: Is Confidence in Tesla Justified?
Release Date: May 1, 2025
Host/Author: EYL Network
In the May 1, 2025 episode of Market Mondays, hosted by the EYL Network, stock market expert Ian Dunlap delves into Tesla's recent financial downturn and examines the impact of Elon Musk's pledge to refocus on the company. The episode provides a comprehensive analysis of Tesla's 71% profit decline, the underlying factors contributing to this drop, and the market's reaction to Musk's strategic promises.
The episode begins with Analyst 1 highlighting last week's earnings reports, emphasizing Tesla's alarming 71% decrease in net income for the first quarter of 2025. Tesla reported a net profit of $490 million, a significant drop compared to the same period last year. This decline is primarily attributed to a 13% reduction in vehicle deliveries and a 20% decrease in automotive revenue.
“At the office, Tesla reported a sharp 71% drop in net income for the first quarter of 2025, earning $490 million compared to the same period last year.”
(Analyst 1, [01:01])
Analyst 2 introduces the role of regulatory credits in Tesla's financials, noting that these credits surpassed the operating profit margin for the quarter. Analyst 3 elaborates on the complexities of these credits, describing them as a "liability of our asset," which adds another layer to Tesla's financial challenges.
“There's regulatory credits meaning like when you buy EV and you get credit, like I said, that actually was more than the operating profit margin of the quarter.”
(Analyst 2, [01:45])
“Think about that, literally liability of our asset.”
(Analyst 3, [01:58])
The discussion shifts to whether Tesla should be classified as a tech company or primarily a car manufacturer. Analyst 1 argues that Tesla is fundamentally a car company, citing ongoing struggles in major markets like China, America, and Europe. Despite these challenges, Tesla's stock saw an unexpected uptick post-earnings report.
“I think it's a misnomer to say that Tesla's a tech company, it's a car company and cars their main source of income. And that's not been going well.”
(Analyst 1, [02:04])
“But after that 71 drop, the stock actually went up, which is interesting.”
(Analyst 1, [02:32])
Analyst 2 observes a historical pattern where Tesla's stock tends to rise following earnings reports, regardless of the figures. This pattern continued as Musk announced his intention to spend less time on Dogecoin and more on Tesla, leading to a 20% stock increase over the past five days.
“They've had terrible lead ups into their earnings report and after their earnings report, somehow they always seem to have the stock price go up.”
(Analyst 2, [02:55])
“He said that he was going to spend less time at Doge and focus more of his attention back on Tesla. And based off that, a vote of confidence was given by the market.”
(Analyst 1, [03:00])
Analyst 1 expresses doubt about the sustainability of Tesla's recovery, likening Musk's promises to those made in a troubled marriage. He emphasizes that prior issues in key markets remain unresolved, and Musk's commitment to refocusing may not translate into tangible improvements.
“I don't think it's going to work because Tesla is already having serious problems in China, in America, in Europe.”
(Analyst 1, [03:00])
“Just because Elon says, okay, now I'm going to focus again, that's like being in a marriage, then just checking out for two years, and then, okay, now I'm gonna be the husband that you want to be.”
(Analyst 1, [03:17])
The analysts discuss the concept of "financial gaslighting" and the privilege afforded to leaders like Musk, who can take extended breaks without facing severe consequences. Analyst 1 criticizes the leniency towards Musk, suggesting that other CEOs might not escape accountability under similar circumstances.
“It's a lot of interesting dynamics, but what's your take?... financial gaslighting.”
(Analyst 3 and Analyst 1, [04:17]-[04:19])
“It's pretty amazing when you can literally just take eight months off at a time, ruin a company, and then come back like, yo, my bad, I wasn't focused. You're rewarded for your negligence.”
(Analyst 1, [04:36])
Analyst 3 provides a historical perspective, recalling past criticisms of Tesla's strategies and Musk's focus on multiple ventures like SpaceX and Starlink. He argues that Tesla's core operations have suffered due to Musk's divided attention, leading to financial instability and declining popularity.
“I'll pick up from... likely go to chairman because he sees that Starlink is the brightest star in the draft.”
(Analyst 3, [05:15])
“When you go from luxury car to now it's like select car in Uber. That is not great for classification standpoint.”
(Analyst 3, [05:44])
Despite the challenges, Analyst 2 notes that the market's confidence stems from Musk's assurances of refocusing on Tesla. However, Analyst 3 remains cautious, pointing out unresolved issues like the Cybertruck delays and Model Y's declining sales. They discuss whether innovation and customization can revive Tesla's flagship models.
“Autonomous driving... still on schedule for June. The robo taxi, same thing.”
(Analyst 2, [08:11])
“What is going to happen with the Model Y? They were supposed to put out a new one. Then when they dropped the board, it's not selling the same way.”
(Analyst 2, [08:36])
The episode concludes with a nuanced view of Tesla's future. While Musk's commitment to refocusing has temporarily boosted investor confidence, analysts remain sceptical about the long-term viability of these promises. They emphasize the need for tangible improvements in Tesla's core operations and question whether historical patterns will repeat despite optimistic assurances.
“Believe in them. And so this is what we see. 20 in five days is crazy to have the type of miss that they had.”
(Analyst 2, [09:19])
“If we get to 10403 I would like to pick up some more shares there. But I think Tesla has lost its lead and advantage by not being focused and focusing on the things that matter to their consumer.”
(Analyst 3, [06:44])
This Market Mondays episode provides a critical examination of Tesla's recent financial struggles and the effectiveness of Elon Musk's leadership strategies. Through detailed analysis and spirited debate, the analysts offer valuable insights into whether Tesla can navigate its current challenges and regain investor confidence amidst a competitive and evolving automotive landscape.
Note: Timestamps correspond to the podcast transcript sections discussed.