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First, I want to start with chip stocks. So we talked about chip stocks early on in the show. AMD Nvidia, all of these different stocks that, you know, a lot of people say they call for a chip bubble. Last year they said that it was artificial intelligence, was overrated, it was hyped up. But we're still seeing gains going into 2025 and people are still optimistic. ASML up big this year. A big so far this year. So what is your take on chip stocks?
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Well, they're a really big part of the market now. These are some of the largest publicly traded companies by market cap. So for your viewers who are broadly invested in stocks, whether they're in mutual funds or ETFs, if they have any kind of growth weightings in those ETFs or any kind of tech weightings, they have tons of exposure to these stocks one way or the other. And then of course, they're very popular trading stocks. So a lot of people own them. On their own. I think a couple of things are worth being said here. People could be right about the long term of AI and how important it becomes to the economy and society and the world. But, but that doesn't mean the companies that are at the forefront of AI technology are going to have share prices that go up every day. It's just if it were that easy then you know, any, anybody could be, you know, a professional money manager, just oh, AI, I'll just buy all the chip stock. So I think there'll be rallies and I think there'll be sell offs just like last year. People forget there was a moment in August and September last year where Nvidia was in a 24 drawdown from a tie. It didn't last long, but let's not act like it didn't happen. That certainly could happen this year. And if you're in that stock for as long as I've been, which 2015. So if you're in the stock as long as I've been, you've sat through 30 declines on a fairly regular basis. Not. And, and it's, it's not that. It's not that Nvidia is not everything they say it is. It is the leader. It is the best company in the market. Last year, I think the full year return was like 178%. That's incredible when you consider that it's a multi trillion dollar company. So I'm a bull. I will tell you one of the big landmines for this coming year that I'm thinking about is the possibility that at some point hasn't happened in a while. At some point they have an earnings report where people get nervous that we've seen the best that you could possibly see. They're going to report on February either 25th or 26th. The 25th, my birthday. So let's hope if it's a disappointment, it's not. It's not on February 25th. But this is a really big report. This is what Wall street is focused on. Nvidia is not only an important weighting in all these indices. The earnings growth coming from Nvidia is a large portion of the overall S P50s earnings growth that we expect for this year. So we need this company to continue to perform. There's a phenomenon though on the street that, and this is, this is actually universally important, guys, there's no such thing as good news or bad news. There's no good or bad on Wall Street. There's only better than expected or worse than expected.
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So there's a scenario where Nvidia grows 40, 50% earning by in earnings this year, but the street wanted 50, 60% and that's not good enough. And you get a huge sell off in the stock. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with the company because all this is is an expectations game. And what's different about this game versus betting on sports? If you, if you watch the Detroit Lions, Minnesota Viking games, Vikings game last night with sports, you know what the odds are. The market, they don't tell you the odds. So we know that there are expectations embedded for Nvidia to have a great report. We sort of have a rough idea of what those expectations are in the form of an earnings estimate from the consensus of Wall street analysts who cover the stock. But, but we don't know where sentiment is. We don't know how badly people need that number to be materially higher. We can assume. So that's to me, if you ask me, like, what are some of the biggest things coming up in the next couple of months that we really need to be focused on and then are going to have a big impact? Chip stocks in general. Yes, but really it's the Nvidia show and all the other chip stocks are like the opening acts.
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Episode Overview: In this episode of Market Mondays, hosted by the EYL Network, financial expert Ian Dunlap delves deep into the current landscape and future prospects of chip stocks. The discussion centers around major players like AMD, Nvidia, and ASML, exploring their performance, market expectations, and the potential challenges they may face moving into 2025.
Timestamp: [01:30]
Ian Dunlap kicks off the discussion by addressing the ongoing debate surrounding chip stocks. He highlights the skepticism some investors hold, labeling the sector as a potential "chip bubble." Despite criticisms that artificial intelligence (AI) hype may be exaggerated, the resilience of chip stocks is evident as gains continue into 2025.
Ian Dunlap: "Last year they said that it was artificial intelligence, was overrated, it was hyped up. But we're still seeing gains going into 2025 and people are still optimistic."
He points out significant performances, especially noting ASML's impressive growth this year, signaling strong investor confidence in the chip industry.
Timestamp: [02:07]
A Market Analyst provides a comprehensive overview of the chip sector's influence on the broader market. He emphasizes that chip companies are now among the largest publicly traded entities by market capitalization, making them integral to mutual funds and ETFs with growth and tech weightings.
Market Analyst: "These are some of the largest publicly traded companies by market cap. So for your viewers who are broadly invested in stocks, whether they're in mutual funds or ETFs, if they have any kind of growth weightings in those ETFs or any kind of tech weightings, they have tons of exposure to these stocks one way or the other."
He cautions against the assumption that being at the forefront of AI technology will guarantee consistent stock price increases. Drawing parallels to last year's volatility, he predicts potential rallies and sell-offs, underscoring that even leading companies like Nvidia can experience significant drawdowns.
Market Analyst: "People forget there was a moment in August and September last year where Nvidia was in a 24% drawdown from a tie. It didn't last long, but let's not act like it didn't happen."
Despite the volatility, the analyst remains bullish on the sector, citing Nvidia's remarkable full-year return of 178%. However, he warns of upcoming critical earnings reports that could influence stock performance based on Wall Street's expectations.
Market Analyst: "Nvidia is not only an important weighting in all these indices. The earnings growth coming from Nvidia is a large portion of the overall S&P 500's earnings growth that we expect for this year. So we need this company to continue to perform."
Timestamp: [05:03]
The discussion shifts to the nature of market expectations versus actual performance. The Market Analyst explains that on Wall Street, news is perceived not as inherently good or bad, but as better or worse than anticipated.
Market Analyst: "There's no such thing as good news or bad news. There's no good or bad on Wall Street. There's only better than expected or worse than expected."
He illustrates this with the potential scenario where Nvidia reports strong earnings growth (e.g., 40-50%) but falls short of Wall Street's higher expectations (e.g., 50-60%), leading to a significant sell-off despite the company's solid performance.
Market Analyst: "So there's a scenario where Nvidia grows 40, 50% in earnings this year, but the street wanted 50, 60% and that's not good enough. And you get a huge sell off in the stock. It doesn't mean anything's wrong with the company because all this is is an expectations game."
Using a sports betting analogy, he contrasts the predictability of sports odds with the opaque nature of market sentiment, where investors may not be fully aware of the underlying expectations embedded in stock prices.
Market Analyst: "If you watch the Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings games... the market, they don't tell you the odds. So we know that there are expectations embedded for Nvidia to have a great report."
Timestamp: [06:18]
As the segment concludes, Ian Dunlap reinforces the importance of monitoring chip stocks, particularly focusing on Nvidia as the flagship performer in the sector. He positions other chip companies as supporting acts, implying that Nvidia's performance will significantly influence the broader chip market trends.
Ian Dunlap: "Chip stocks in general. Yes, but really it's the Nvidia show and all the other chip stocks are like the opening acts."
He underscores the necessity for investors to stay informed about upcoming earnings reports and market expectations to navigate the inherent volatility and capitalize on potential growth opportunities within the chip industry.
Key Takeaways:
Notable Quote:
Market Analyst [05:03]: "There's no such thing as good news or bad news. There's no good or bad on Wall Street. There's only better than expected or worse than expected."
This episode of Market Mondays provides insightful analysis into the dynamic world of chip stocks, emphasizing the critical role of market expectations and the significant influence of leading companies like Nvidia. Whether you're a seasoned investor or new to the stock market, understanding these dynamics is essential for navigating investments in the tech sector.