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Mike
But if you wanted to get into it and you wanted to own some cryptocurrency, the first thing you have to do to trade it, to buy it, to sell it, to give it to somebody, to accept it as a gift is to have a wallet, right? You need a digital place for this cryptocurrency to go. Nobody's going to hand you a stack of Bitcoin. There is no Bitcoin, right? It's just digital technology. It's a software problem. So you need either a cold wallet, which really looks just like a, a hard, you know, a, a what do you call those? Thumb drive, Even fancier. That's called a cold wallet. Or you can buy or you could have a wallet on an exchange, kind of like you do with your cash app or your bank app, right? That's called a hot wallet that lives on the Internet. And if you open an account with a coinbase or a crypto.com or a Kraken or any of them, you're going to be opening what's called a hot wallet a little less secure because it's on the Internet and all kinds of things happen on the Internet with hacking. But a cold wallet is sort of an off site storage, Right. You have your own passcode for that. You have that one thumb drive that has all your cryptocurrency in it. You better not lose it. And we've heard stories about people losing their thumb drive or forgetting the password and losing millions or billions of dollars worth of it. That happens. That's real. But it's your choice. Questions on this, guys?
Emily
Yeah. Okay.
John
Yeah.
Emily
The onboarding for Americans, you got to go through like Coinbase and you could take it off of it. But that's important because when you buy the crypto, like let's say you use Coinbase, for example, because I think that's probably like the most recognizable exchange, you do have the option to just leave it on Coinbase in that regard. Coinbase is kind of like the custodian of your actual Bitcoin, right? Which leads to problems. Could lead to problems. You could, you have the option of buying it and then taking it off, right. And then using the wallets. Right? Now this is important because like you said, if you, if anything happens to that, right? Let's say you're using a cold wallet and you lose your, you lose it. There's there like when you buy a stock, there's federal regulations and there's oversight and these companies, you, you don't just say like, I'm done, right? There's that. That doesn't exist in the world of crypto. So if you have $5 million on your cold wallet and you go to Turks and Caicos and you bring it with you, or you don't bring it with you, and your cleaner comes in and thinks that it's a USB drive and throws it away, there's no recourse to get the $5 million back. There's no 1-800- there's no 1,800 number that you.
Mike
1,800-Bitcoin. Where's my bitcoin? And that's a big deal, right? When we say unregulated, we mean there's no sheriff in town here right now. We've heard of these big crypto platforms like Binance where they've had fraud or where there was, you know, bad dealings and millions were lost. Some of that can get recovered because you can trace the digital sort of footprint of some of these things. But there is no securities and Exchange Commission right now. There might be in a couple months that is overseeing crypto. There is no SIPC like there is in stocks where that your, your investments are being protected up to a certain amount. There's no FDIC like there is at your bank that protects up to $250,000 of your money in the bank should something happen to the bank. Right. There is no phrase.
Emily
I think the phrase is like 24 letters, something like that.
David
You want to touch on that?
Emily
Yeah.
Mike
Special phrase. Yeah. I'll show you what one looks like.
David
It's crazy. This is important and it's the word of the wise, especially if you're going to use a cold wallet. That seed phrase can be 20 to 24 words. Make sure that you store that, make sure that you never lose that because you won't be able to get inside that cold wallet. But here's something that people need to know. If you're going to purchase a cold wallet, number one, please purchase it from the direct company. Right? So a lot of times you'll go on Amazon or you might go on Walmart and you'll say, hey, there's a cold wallet and I needed next day shipping. The problem is you don't know where that cold wallet came from. And sometimes somebody has used it, they've already created the seed phrase and you get it. You upload all your assets and in a day you can't get back in because it's been hot wired already. Has that happened before? Yes, that happens to people. And so to alleviate that, what you want to do is get it. I see a bunch of people putting get it directly from ledger, get directly from Tresor. There's a reason why they're saying that, because that is a cautionary tale that can happen to people. It's a new space. Right. It's unregulated in this sense. And so you want to make sure you take every precaution and every step as possible. That seed phrase, again, I would store it, I would put it in a safe just so that you know that it's there. And if anything ever happens, you know where to get it from. Because again, beyond losing it, if you lose that phrase, it, you can't get back in.
Mike
Once it's gone, it's gone. Right? And again, there is no sheriff in town, at least not yet. And that's kind of the point of cryptocurrency. It is supposed to be unregulated. Bitcoin was designed to be unregulated. But we can all see transactions, we can see when it happened, where it happened. If somebody steals bitcoin, you always hear about people, you know, stealing X amount of million in bitcoin. You, you can really track, trace them down because they leave a digital footprint. But if you lose your passcode or you lose your cold wallet, it is gone.
Emily
Or if you send it to the wrong address.
Mike
So that's.
Emily
Somebody said, like, how do you. So let's say if you buy it on Coinbase, you have. You have an address and then you send it to another address. So if you send it to another. If you sing it, if you send it to the wrong address, if you miss a letter number, you're done. And that's happened to me before. So everything that I'm speaking on, it happened firsthand experience. So the Chase thing, when I went to Chase two years ago and Coinbase, and they were saying that so many people were coming into Chase bank trying to retrieve money because their Coinbase account got hacked. That didn't make. That wasn't on national news or anything like that. But this is. This is people, this is the banker telling me firsthand, like, how rampant Coinbase hacks was. People, customers, how many customers was actually coming in saying that their Coinbase got hacked and as a result, their bank account was compromised. And that happens like that. It's not a fairy tale. Like, it really happens. So the security aspect is something that's definitely real. I mean, you could choose to do whatever you want. You can leave it on Coinbase, you can leave it on. You can buy Robin Hood, you can transfer it to your own personal wallet, but no matter how you. No matter what you do, there is some level of security that you should just be aware of.
David
Yeah.
Mike
And it's on you. It's on you. The owner. Right? This is. Again, you went to Chase because maybe their Chase account was linked to their Coinbase account, but I'm sure Chase was like, we can't help you. Right. Coinbase is not ours.
Episode Released: December 18, 2024 | Host/Author: EYL Network
In this episode of Market Mondays, EYL Network hosts a compelling discussion with stock market expert Ian Dunlap centered around the intricacies of cryptocurrency wallets. Titled "Understanding Cryptocurrency Wallets: Hot vs. Cold Wallets Explained," the episode delves deep into the functionalities, advantages, and potential pitfalls associated with managing digital assets securely. The conversation is enriched with real-world experiences, expert insights, and practical advice for both novice and seasoned investors navigating the volatile world of cryptocurrencies.
Timestamp: [01:29]
The episode kicks off with Ian Dunlap laying the groundwork for understanding cryptocurrency wallets. He emphasizes the necessity of possessing a digital wallet to engage in any cryptocurrency transactions, whether it's buying, selling, trading, or gifting digital assets like Bitcoin.
Ian Dunlap [01:29]:
"If you want to own some cryptocurrency, the first thing you have to do is have a wallet. It's a digital place for your cryptocurrency to go."
Dunlap distinguishes between two primary types of wallets: hot wallets and cold wallets, setting the stage for a comparative analysis of their features and security implications.
Timestamp: [01:29] - [05:25]
Hot Wallets are described as internet-based wallets typically hosted on cryptocurrency exchanges such as Coinbase, Crypto.com, or Kraken. Their primary advantage lies in their ease of access and convenience for frequent transactions. However, this accessibility comes with heightened security risks due to their exposure to online threats.
Ian Dunlap [02:00]:
"A hot wallet lives on the Internet and all kinds of things happen on the Internet with hacking. It’s a little less secure."
On the other hand, Cold Wallets are offline storage solutions, often resembling USB thumb drives. They offer enhanced security by isolating digital assets from internet vulnerabilities. Nevertheless, this increased security also introduces challenges related to accessibility and the potential for irreversible loss if the device or passcode is compromised.
Ian Dunlap [03:00]:
"A cold wallet is off-site storage. You have your own passcode, and if you lose it, you lose access to your cryptocurrency."
The conversation highlights the trade-offs between convenience and security, urging listeners to assess their individual needs and risk tolerance when choosing a wallet type.
Timestamp: [05:25] - [07:26]
The discussion transitions to the critical aspect of security in managing cryptocurrency wallets. Emily and Mike share firsthand experiences and cautionary tales that underscore the importance of safeguarding digital assets.
Seed Phrases and Their Importance
A seed phrase—a sequence of 20 to 24 words—is pivotal for accessing a cold wallet. Losing this phrase equates to losing access to the wallet and, consequently, the cryptocurrency it contains.
David [05:25]:
"If you buy a cold wallet, please purchase it directly from the company. Don’t buy it from third-party retailers to avoid pre-set seed phrases."
Avoiding Common Pitfalls
Emily recounts incidents where inadequate security measures led to significant losses, such as sending cryptocurrency to incorrect addresses or falling victim to exchange hacks.
Emily [07:24]:
"Sending to the wrong address? You’re done. It’s happened to me before."
Mike further elaborates on the vulnerabilities associated with hot wallets, highlighting cases where exchanges like Coinbase have been compromised, leading to unauthorized access and financial losses for users.
Mike [08:00]:
"There’s no SIPC like there is in stocks. There’s no FDIC for your bank accounts. It’s all on you."
Best Practices Recommended:
Timestamp: [05:20] - [08:48]
The conversation addresses the lack of regulation in the cryptocurrency domain, contrasting it with the regulated environments of traditional financial systems. This absence of oversight contributes to both the allure and the risks associated with digital currencies.
Mike [05:20]:
"There is no Securities and Exchange Commission overseeing crypto yet. There's no SIPC like in stocks."
Potential Regulatory Developments
While the sector remains largely unregulated, there are indications of impending regulatory frameworks aimed at providing more structure and security to cryptocurrency markets. This could include measures akin to the SIPC for stocks or FDIC protections for bank accounts, potentially enhancing investor confidence and safeguarding assets.
Impact on Investors
The uncertainty surrounding regulations poses challenges for investors, who must navigate a landscape where protections are minimal and personal responsibility is paramount.
Mike [06:53]:
"Once it’s gone, it’s gone. There is no sheriff in town, at least not yet."
Timestamp: [07:26] - [08:48]
The panel discusses the tangible effects of security lapses and the operational challenges faced by users in the cryptocurrency ecosystem.
Banking and Exchange Challenges
Emily shares insights from her interactions with banking institutions like Chase, where customers often seek assistance after their cryptocurrency exchanges, such as Coinbase, are compromised.
Emily [07:26]:
"People are coming into Chase Bank trying to retrieve money because their Coinbase account got hacked."
Irreversible Transactions
A key takeaway is the irreversibility of cryptocurrency transactions. Mistakes in sending funds to incorrect addresses or the loss of wallet access cannot be rectified, emphasizing the critical need for meticulous management of digital assets.
Mike [07:24]:
"If you lose your passcode or your cold wallet, it is gone."
Timestamp: [08:48]
As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reiterate the importance of personal responsibility in managing cryptocurrency investments. They advise listeners to educate themselves thoroughly, adopt robust security measures, and stay abreast of evolving regulatory developments to navigate the dynamic landscape effectively.
Mike [08:47]:
"It’s on you. It’s on you. The owner."
Ian Dunlap [01:29]:
"Nobody's going to hand you a stack of Bitcoin. There is no Bitcoin, right? It’s just digital technology."
Emily [07:24]:
"It’s not a fairy tale. It really happens."
Mike [08:47]:
"It’s on you. It’s on you. The owner."
This episode of Market Mondays provides a comprehensive exploration of cryptocurrency wallets, highlighting the critical balance between accessibility and security. Through expert insights and real-world examples, listeners gain a nuanced understanding of managing digital assets responsibly in an unregulated and rapidly evolving financial landscape. Whether you’re contemplating your first foray into cryptocurrency or seeking to enhance your existing strategies, the discussions in this episode offer valuable guidance to navigate the complexities of the crypto world with confidence and caution.