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Hey everyone. AI updates are coming fast and furious. OpenAI just released a new product. It's called Deep Research. Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, says it's one of the best products they've ever released. And I'll be honest with you, I just started using it and I'm really impressed. Today I'm going to have it give us a full breakdown of marketing trends through its Deep Research capabilities to see how good it really is. And then I'm going to compare it to Google Gemini. You're going to want to stick around. It's going to blow your mind. Let's get to today's show. So OpenAI, they really are bringing the heat. It's clear that all of the innovation and competition that is happening in AI with folks like Deep Seek and Quinn are really pushing for innovation and these companies to be really, really aggressive. So what the heck is actually happening? Well, on Sunday night, cause the OpenAI team was in Tokyo Sunday night in the US. Monday morning in Japan, OpenAI released deep research, which is a brand new agent that does exactly that. Deep Research. And what is it actually doing? Well, what's interesting, and I'm going to show you is that it can take very complex tasks and go and research them independently. And it's not just scouring the web, it's reading PDF, academic reports, case studies, all the different formats of information that you would really utilize if you were like a specialized research analyst. Okay, so this is a video of Sam Altman talking about Deep Research.
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We're excited to demo our next agent. This is called Deep Research and we announced it earlier today from Tokyo. I think this is one of the best things OpenAI has ever launched.
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That's crazy. Best thing they've ever launched. They launched ChatGPT, they've launched a host of models, operator.
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And it really points at what's going to be possible with AI agents. This can do complex research tasks for you. Tasks that might take 30 minutes, they might take 30 days. It's powered by O3. It's the first time that the outside world gets to use our O3 model.
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Wow.
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And it can browse the web, scan text, images, PDFs, much more, synthesize this reason through it, and prepare a report for you. So it takes a while, it goes off and does all of this work. You can see what it's thinking about as it goes. It's different than ChatGPT, where you instantly get a response. Here you start off a task like you might give a task to a sophisticated coworker.
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This is Sam's hype that I think can do.
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This is just an estimate of mine, but I think can do a single digit percentage of all economically valuable tasks in the world.
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He thinks this agent can do a single digit percentage of all economic work in the world. That would be an agent that can do trillions of dollars worth of work in the world. That is a crazy hype statement, an absurd hype statement. But what he's essentially saying is there's a lot of people out there who do deep research analysis. Hire consulting firms, spend a lot of money to get deep and detailed research, and their goal is to replace that use case with an AI agent. So Sam is certainly hyping up deep research. But I want to know, what do people not at OpenAI think about deep research? And one person I trust a lot is a gentleman named Dan Schipper. He runs a company called Everything. He's been a great guest here on Marketing against the Grain. And he tried it on Friday. So he got a little early preview and he wrote notes to himself. He said, it's frickin awesome. It's a chauffeur stretch limo for the information superhighway. It is a double decker bus tour, but you're the only passenger in the city you're touring is the sum total of human knowledge. What I love about this is, in other words, it's a bazooka for the curious mind. First of all, shout out to Dan. That's some really good writing right there. Clearly he and AI work together, made something awesome. And it's a bazooka for the curious mind is like the perfect summation of what truly great AI and research can do. And so clearly there's a lot of hype coming around. Deep research. My question for everybody here is, well, what is it? And I'm an OpenAI Pro member. And so I just like literally a couple hours ago, before recording, just got access to deep research. So I want to share my approach to testing it out. First thing I wanted to do is I wanted to use OpenAI's brand new O3 Mini High that is available to ChatGPT Pro users. And I wanted to see how O3 Mini High could write a really good deep research prompt. Because I'm like, hey, if I'm testing this out, I really want to test it out. And obviously I'm a cmo. I do marketing all the time. We talk about marketing all the time on this channel. So I wanted to do a research project on marketing. If you love marketing, you're just Trying to grow your business. You love AI. Please hit subscribe. We're going to have a ton more videos like this, so please hit subscribe so that you can get notified when those are coming out. And so what I did is I asked it if it could give me a deep research project on the best marketing strategy and tactics that are new and they're innovative, right? Like give me the real real. And I wanted O3 Mini High to write a prompt. It took almost 10 minutes to write a prompt which you're like, oh, why did it take so long? Is because it's right here, breaks down the steps and it's showing the different steps and reasoning it's doing to consider what a successful prompt should look like. In this case, you see, I typed a couple sentences, it's doing all this thinking and then it's giving me this research prompt. Assume the role of a world class marketing strategist and researcher. Conduct a comprehensive deep dive analysis on how to innovate a company's marketing approach in today's dynamic environment. Your research should include emerging trends in tech, theoretical frameworks, performance metrics, future outlook and strategic recommendations. So this is the full prompt. We're not even into deep research yet. This is the prompt that O3 mini helped me write. I'm going to say this again and again on the channel that using AI to help you write remarkable prompts is a super hack to getting the most out of these AI models. And this is a great, great example of that. So I copy and pasted this prompt and I did this ahead of time instead of live because these research models take a while and they think. And so I wanted to give it at least a little bit of a head start to think. Then I come over and I paste the prompt into the new O3 mini deep research and I click the deep research button down here and this is the prompt that we just went through. And what's interesting is before it even started the research, it came back to me with some questions. It said, hey, what industry are you focused on? What company size for these strategies, Geographical scope, preferred sources, output format. And I'm just trying to be very bare bones here because I want to see what it can do. I said, industry, technology, company size. A 25 person company in the United States, you pick the sources and I want a detailed report with an exec summary and said, great. I'll conduct an in depth analysis of how a 25 person tech company in the US the research will cover all the things that we outlined in the prompt and it researched for eight minutes through 28 sources. And if I click through this what's interesting, it will show me the work that the agent has done. So it's not just like here's a report, it's giving you kind of the raw logs of what's happening and it's showing that I'm digging into cutting edge marketing trends. I'm integrating data highlights from multiple sources. It's showing you interestingly where it's getting some of the information, some of the domains that it's finding Unbounce and Gartner and air cards and very interesting. And it's telling you how hey, I've got 28 sources. And you can also instead of just seeing what it looked at where you can see the specific articles it used and link out to all of those. I don't know why it wasn't researching HubSpot, that's a whole different conversation. But this is the breakdown of the research it did. 28 sources, 8 minutes worth of research. And it's given me a pretty interesting executive summary about how companies, specifically the 25 person technology company, this example have to be embracing innovative strategies, data driven marketing. This very much reads like a McKinsey Professional Analyst type of report with links and citations and stats that are validating the points that are coming. And then after that executive summary it's giving you a breakdown of AI and machine learning automation. I like that it just did this whole what's trending section, innovative best practices, emerging tech in the area. I mean this is a very in depth like when we say deep research, look at this go like we're just on the first section, you know there were four sections in section one. Then we're still going through section two. Like look at how in depth everything is, scalability and potential challenges. So there is a massive, massive research project that's happened here. As you can see, very interesting quality. Like obviously we are not going to read through an entire in depth research report here but the executive summary was super helpful. For example, at the same time marketing ecosystem is expanding with influencer marketing and experiential marketing. As somebody who runs a big marketing team, these are two huge trends of marketing. It got this right, right? Like it's finding the aspects that are very, very good here and bringing them forth to somebody who you know might just be new to marketing or might be looking to take their marketing to the next level. This is really, really helpful information especially if you're at a 25 person company. This is where I go back to Dan's quote like that bazooka for the curious mind. Like, I could imagine myself spending days on end reading research reports. It's unbelievable. The depth. This is a pretty wow experience. I had a similar wow experience though, and that was a few months ago when Google launched Gemini version 1.5 with deep research. And so what I decided to do is take that same exact prompt that ChatGPT wrote for me and I wanted to put it in Gemini to see and compare the two results together. How is Gemini Deep research compared to OpenAI's deep research? So I put the same exact prompt in. Here's the same exact prompt that we just use in OpenAI. What's interesting is that Gemini builds a research plan that you can then edit and everything before you start your research. So where OpenAI asks clarifying questions, Gemini creates a detailed research plan. So interesting how they're trying to surface and like, help and support you. Okay, I said, great, let's go ahead and start research. And now it says, I've completed your research. And so I started these at the exact same time. So I think it was pretty similar in terms of how much time it took. But what's interesting is that it did not tell me exactly how much time it took in the same way that OpenAI did. The one thing I do love about Google Gemini and I use Google Gemini a lot is its integration with all the other Google products. The fact that it basically just creates a Google Doc by default and you can just open this and Doc and share it and everything when you're collaborating on research like this is super powerful. Okay, so innovating your marketing approach in today's dynamics, what I can already tell is the quality and depth of research. While like this is very good, it's telling you, hey, you need to care about data driven marketing. You need to do targeted advertising, personalized context, campaign optimizations. There's no real great executive summary. This summary isn't very good. There's no data and citations in the way we just saw in Deep Research, which is pretty wild. There is clearly a real depth of information here. Gemini Deep Research I use all the time and is way better than going out and doing manual research. And they also will go back and point you to where they found these recommendations similar to how OpenAI did. But if you look at the quality of the output, it's just not as good. Like, it's clear to me that while Gemini Deep Research is a very good product and it's something I've been using a lot, it's nowhere near as thoughtful and as thorough as the OpenAI product that we just looked through. I mean we're literally comparing these side by side and the recommendations are more basic. Virtual try ons, interactive games, virtual tours. Well, first of all, OpenAI was smart enough to understand that these things were a subset of experiential marketing and helped me learn about experiential marketing where Gemini is just kind of like putting them in this random bucket. Right? And even on the social media evolution here it's like oh, key trends, short form video, influencer marketing, social commerce. While those are all right, like it's barely telling me anything about them. Platforms like TikTok and Instagram Reels have popularized short form video content. Well yeah, if you haven't been living under a rock, you know that obviously, right? What's the context? What do I need to do? How can I go and do it? I felt like there was a much deeper quality of answers. Over in OpenAI they found some cool stuff like blockchain advertising, voice search optimization, virtual events. This is definitely a little bit more progressive in terms of what it found. I'll be really honest with you, if I were doing this, I would probably take both reports then give it to either Claude 3.5 Sonnet or O3 mini and have it do a detailed summary and breakdown. Because it's clear that Google's finding some things in its research methodology that OpenAI isn't. You know why? Because it searched 252 websites where OpenAI searched 28 websites, which is a massive difference in where you get that information. Clearly to me, in looking at these two together, Google Gemini Deep Research is really excelling at the things you would expect it to. Its integration with Google Docs and Google's other products. And it's Google's ability from search to crawl the web and index the web information, really great. And to use that to pull all that information in 252 websites is a ridiculous amount of context to search. But because it's just searching websites and not images and PDFs and everything as much as OpenAI is. I think that and the fact that clearly O3, which is the model that Deep Research is Running on with OpenAI is just a much better and more thoughtful model than 1.5 in Gemini. It's very clear that OpenAI has built a product that is again like a McKinsey analyst. Like if you were like hey, I want to do a complex mapping of a market or competitive analysis. I think if you could just do one, you would do OpenAI Just because of its ability to reason through the information, it's finding what I would likely do and let's see if we can do this now. I wonder if I can go here to Gemini and copy all of this and have OpenAI integrate it. I think this is probably the path forward where you're going to want to use multiple models for really, really important tasks. And this is a good example where I'm having it take the Google information and add it in and integrate it into its additional recommendations. And this integrated blueprint combining insights from both our previous research and the Google Gemini analysis, provides a comprehensive roadmap for innovating your company's marketing strategy. It's written again like a McKinsey or Bain or BSG analyst would write a research report, right? And my take is if you're just going to use one or if you're a really pro OpenAI chatgpt user, use Deep Research. If you are like I am looking for the most comprehensive version of a problem in research, I would use both together to make sure you are covering every angle. That's my takeaway. So what did we cover today? We covered a brand new agent from OpenAI. It's called Deep Research and it's very good and you can see the reasoning from the O3 model front and center. And I highly recommend it for any of the major research projects that you're doing. It's rolled out to pro users now it's getting rolled out to plus users and enterprise users soon should be available to most hardcore ChatGPT users. If you are looking for a free product and or you love the integration with the Google suite, you're going to want to use Google Gemini Deep Research again. My best bet, and guess for everybody is you're going to want to use both of these in parallel because O3's got better reasoning, but Google has still got better crawlability and indexing of content online in terms of sourcing the best information. So that's the breakdown. Go give Deep Research a try. Leave a comment down below what you think, how you're going to use it, I want to know. Hit subscribe. We'll be with you real soon. On the next episode of Marketing against the Grain.
Marketing Against The Grain: Episode Summary Episode: OpenAI's Deep Research Tool DESTROYS Google Gemini (With Proof) Release Date: February 4, 2025
In this engaging episode of Marketing Against The Grain, hosted by the HubSpot Podcast Network, Kipp Bodnar and Kieran Flanagan delve deep into the rapidly evolving landscape of AI-driven marketing tools. The spotlight of this episode is on OpenAI's newly launched product, Deep Research, and its head-to-head comparison with Google Gemini. Through comprehensive analysis and firsthand testing, the hosts uncover the strengths and limitations of these cutting-edge research assistants, providing valuable insights for marketing professionals seeking to leverage AI for strategic growth.
The episode kicks off with an enthusiastic introduction to OpenAI's latest innovation, Deep Research. Host A expresses excitement over the rapid advancements in AI, highlighting Deep Research as a testament to OpenAI's commitment to pushing the boundaries of what's possible in marketing intelligence.
A [00:00]: "AI updates are coming fast and furious. OpenAI just released a new product. It's called Deep Research... I just started using it and I'm really impressed."
The discussion swiftly moves to Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, who heralds Deep Research as one of the company's best products to date.
B [01:45]: "We're excited to demo our next agent. This is called Deep Research and we announced it earlier today from Tokyo. I think this is one of the best things OpenAI has ever launched."
A elaborates on the capabilities of Deep Research, emphasizing its ability to handle complex tasks by autonomously scouring a diverse array of information sources, including PDFs, academic reports, and case studies. This positions Deep Research as a powerful tool for specialized research analysts.
A [00:02:02]: "It really points at what's going to be possible with AI agents. This can do complex research tasks for you... It's powered by O3, the first time the outside world gets to use our O3 model."
B adds that Deep Research is capable of processing economically valuable tasks, albeit with an assertive claim on its potential impact.
B [02:02]: "... it can browse the web, scan text, images, PDFs, much more, synthesize this reason through it, and prepare a report for you."
To provide an external viewpoint, the hosts reference Dan Schipper, a respected figure in the industry. Schipper's early experience with Deep Research is vividly described, likening the tool to a "bazooka for the curious mind" and praising its comprehensive access to human knowledge.
A [00:02:48]: "... he wrote notes to himself. He said, it's frickin awesome. It's a chauffeur stretch limo for the information superhighway... a bazooka for the curious mind."
The core of the episode revolves around a practical comparison between OpenAI's Deep Research and Google Gemini. Host A, an OpenAI Pro member, shares his methodology for evaluating both tools using a marketing-focused research prompt.
Crafting the Prompt: Utilizing OpenAI's O3 Mini High, A crafts a detailed prompt aimed at uncovering innovative marketing strategies.
A [00:02:28]: "Assume the role of a world-class marketing strategist and researcher. Conduct a comprehensive deep dive analysis on how to innovate a company's marketing approach in today's dynamic environment..."
Execution and Initial Findings: Upon initiating Deep Research, the tool engages interactively, asking clarifying questions about industry focus, company size, geographical scope, preferred sources, and desired output format. This iterative process ensures tailored and relevant results.
A [00:03:30]: "Before it even started the research, it came back to me with some questions... I want a detailed report with an exec summary."
The resulting report from Deep Research is lauded for its depth, citing multiple reputable sources and providing a structured executive summary akin to reports from elite consulting firms like McKinsey.
A [00:05:00]: "This is like a McKinsey Professional Analyst type of report with links and citations and stats that are validating the points..."
Comparative Analysis with Google Gemini: Transitioning to Google Gemini, A replicates the same prompt to assess its performance. While Gemini offers seamless integration with Google Docs and a robust web crawling capability—pulling from 252 websites compared to Deep Research's 28—it falls short in the depth and contextual understanding showcased by Deep Research.
A [00:07:30]: "While like this is very good, it's telling you, hey, you need to care about data-driven marketing... There's no real great executive summary."
The hosts note that Gemini's recommendations, though accurate, lack the nuanced insights and structured presentation that Deep Research offers.
A [00:08:45]: "The recommendations are more basic... There's no data and citations in the way we just saw in Deep Research."
The discussion highlights a critical trade-off between the two tools: Deep Research excels in thoughtful analysis and comprehensive reasoning, while Google Gemini offers superior integration with existing Google products and broader web indexing.
A [00:10:00]: "Google Gemini Deep Research is really excelling at the things you would expect it to. Its integration with Google Docs and Google's other products... but it's just not as thoughtful and as thorough as the OpenAI product."
Concluding the episode, A recommends leveraging both tools in tandem to maximize research efficiency and depth. By combining the exhaustive reasoning of Deep Research with Gemini's extensive sourcing, marketers can achieve a holistic and robust research framework.
A [00:12:15]: "You're going to want to use both of these in parallel because O3's got better reasoning, but Google has still got better crawlability and indexing of content online..."
The hosts summarize the comparative strengths of both Deep Research and Google Gemini, encouraging listeners to experiment with both tools to determine the best fit for their specific needs. They conclude with an invitation for listeners to share their experiences and subscribe for more insightful discussions.
A [00:13:50]: "Go give Deep Research a try. Leave a comment down below what you think, how you're going to use it, I want to know. Hit subscribe..."
Key Takeaways:
This episode provides a clear, evidence-based comparison between two leading AI research tools, equipping marketing professionals with the knowledge to enhance their strategic initiatives through advanced AI capabilities.