Marketing Made Simple Podcast Summary
Episode: Why That Worked #24: Pass/Fail—Breaking Down the Best and Worst in Branding
Release Date: June 18, 2025
Host/Author: Powered by StoryBrand
Description: Every week on Marketing Made Simple, you'll get practical tips to make your marketing easy and make it work!
Introduction
In this episode of Marketing Made Simple, hosted by Bobby Richards and featuring Donald Miller and Kyle Reed, the hosts delve into effective and ineffective branding strategies through a new segment titled "Pass/Fail." This segment offers rapid-fire evaluations of various branding examples, providing actionable insights for listeners to implement in their own marketing efforts.
Pass/Fail Segment
1. Shadur Sanders' NFL Draft Messaging
Timestamp: [01:37] – [07:34]
Overview:
The first topic of discussion centers around Shadur Sanders, a quarterback from Colorado who was anticipated to be a top pick in the NFL draft but ended up being selected much later than expected. The conversation focuses on Sanders' messaging and behavior during the draft process.
Donald Miller's Evaluation:
Donald criticizes Sanders for his perceived arrogance and failure to effectively communicate his value to NFL franchises. He argues that Sanders' approach suggested a desire to change the team's culture rather than integrate and contribute positively.
Notable Quotes:
- Donald Miller [03:24]: "If you're not trying to change the culture, don't pick me."
- Donald Miller [05:30]: "If you're not trying to create a culture of optimism and a culture of winning and a culture of sacrifice, don't choose me."
- Donald Miller [06:48]: "Everybody's already in love with Katy Perry, but everybody falls in love with her even more."
Conclusion:
Fail was assigned to Shadur Sanders for his ineffective messaging that focused more on personal change rather than team collaboration, leading to a negative perception among teams.
2. Katy Perry Going to Space
Timestamp: [09:05] – [11:03]
Overview:
The discussion shifts to Katy Perry's campaign involving her trip to space. The conversation examines how her messaging was framed and its impact on her brand.
Donald Miller's Evaluation:
Donald expresses disappointment with the messaging, feeling it was self-centered despite the noble experience. He suggests that making the experience about personal growth rather than the broader impact led to a less effective branding message.
Notable Quotes:
- Donald Miller [09:08]: "Everybody falls in love with Katrina. Everybody's already in love with Katy Perry, but everybody falls in love with her even more."
- Donald Miller [10:41]: "When you make it about you, you fail unless you make it about you delivering value to somebody else."
Conclusion:
Fail was given to Katy Perry's space campaign for overly focusing on her personal experience rather than the value and broader message it could have conveyed.
3. Provocative Brand Messaging
Timestamp: [11:03] – [16:17]
Overview:
The segment explores the effectiveness of using provocative language in brand messaging, citing examples like Liquid Death and Cards Against Humanity.
Examples Discussed:
- Liquid Death: "Murder your thirst."
- Cards Against Humanity: "A party game for horrible people."
- Patagonia: "Don't buy this jacket."
Donald Miller's Evaluation:
Initially skeptical, Donald acknowledges the success of such provocative messaging in gaining attention and differentiating brands in a crowded market. He highlights the importance of understanding the target audience and ensuring that the provocative language aligns with the brand's identity and purpose.
Notable Quotes:
- Donald Miller [11:54]: "I would have given Liquid Death a fail, but I'm obviously wrong."
- Donald Miller [13:53]: "There’s a place to place. Provocative."
- Donald Miller [14:59]: "It's just because now you go, this guy isn't a problem. This guy's an asset."
Conclusion:
Pass was awarded to the use of provocative language in branding, recognizing its effectiveness in capturing attention and creating a memorable brand presence when executed thoughtfully.
EGC vs. UGC: Employee-Generated Content vs. User-Generated Content
Timestamp: [17:14] – [27:50]
Overview:
The hosts discuss the emerging trend of EGC (Employee-Generated Content) versus the traditional UGC (User-Generated Content) in marketing strategies. They evaluate which type of content builds more trust and engages audiences effectively.
Donald Miller's Evaluation:
Donald emphasizes that while both EGC and UGC have their merits, UGC typically garners more trust from consumers. He cites examples like Amazon reviews and the influence of authentic user feedback over company-produced content. Additionally, he illustrates how UGC can provide valuable insights into customer experiences and preferences.
Notable Quotes:
- Donald Miller [18:07]: "If it's a product description, I'm probably going to read that. But listen, we all read it with a grain of salt."
- Donald Miller [25:48]: "If you have anything in which you could show, if you could say to your customers, send us a 15 second video of how you use this product."
- Donald Miller [26:47]: "What a great friggin idea. And then every day you could actually post that."
Key Points:
- Trust Factor: UGC is generally more trusted than EGC as it reflects genuine customer experiences.
- Engagement: UGC can enhance engagement by involving customers directly in the brand narrative.
- Content Quality Control: Effective UGC campaigns require clear guidelines to ensure high-quality submissions.
Examples Discussed:
- James Clear's Approach: Using balanced reviews to inform and improve product offerings.
- Employee Campaign Example: An intern's social media campaign tied to job retention, highlighting the potential pitfalls of EGC when misaligned with brand goals.
Conclusion:
User-Generated Content (UGC) receives a Pass over Employee-Generated Content (EGC) due to its higher trustworthiness and ability to authentically engage audiences. However, the hosts acknowledge that a balanced approach, incorporating both UGC and EGC when appropriate, can be beneficial.
Insights and Actionable Takeaways
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Effective Messaging is Crucial:
- Avoid self-centered messaging. Focus on how your product or service delivers value to your audience.
- Quote:
Donald Miller [10:41]: "When you make it about you, you fail unless you make it about you delivering value to somebody else."
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Provocative Language Can Enhance Brand Recognition:
- Utilize bold and unconventional language to stand out, ensuring it aligns with your brand identity.
- Quote:
Donald Miller [13:53]: "There’s a place to place. Provocative."
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Leverage User-Generated Content for Trust and Engagement:
- Encourage and curate genuine customer feedback and experiences to build credibility.
- Quote:
Kyle Reed [20:17]: "...if you have anything like that, send it to us now. You need to do quality control and Edit it and put bumpers on it and things like that."
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Clear Guidelines for Content Campaigns:
- Establish precise rules and processes for UGC initiatives to maintain content quality and relevance.
- Quote:
Donald Miller [25:16]: "It has to be spelled out very, very clearly. There need to sort of be processes and rules around it."
Conclusion
This episode of Marketing Made Simple provides valuable insights into the strengths and weaknesses of various branding and messaging strategies. By evaluating real-world examples through the "Pass/Fail" segment, Donald Miller and Kyle Reed offer practical advice on crafting effective marketing campaigns that resonate with audiences and build trust. Key takeaways emphasize the importance of value-driven messaging, the strategic use of provocative language, and the superior impact of user-generated content in fostering authentic engagement.
Listeners are encouraged to apply these lessons to enhance their own marketing efforts, ensuring their messages are clear, compelling, and customer-centric.
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