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Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips
Hosted by Eric Siu and Neil Patel · EN
Neil Patel and Eric Siu bring you daily ACTIONABLE digital marketing lessons that they've learned through years of being in the trenches. Whether you have a new website or you're an established business, you'll learn the latest SEO, content marketing, social media, email marketing, conversion optimization and general online marketing strategies that work today from people that actually practice marketing and operate business. Approaching 100M downloads with 2,500+ episodes, you're sure to find something that will help you grow faster. Also don't forget to subscribe to our Marketing School Youtube channel to get more marketing goodness.
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How We're Raising Money for SingleBrain (The Clean Story for VCs)
4d ago00:24:34Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Eric and Neil go behind the scenes on raising for SingleBrain: building a clean story for VCs, what the numbers have to say, and how to position a services-plus-software narrative. They cover conference networking that actually compounds, managed revenue agents as a new service line, and why creators are becoming real channel partners that drive B2B pipeline, not just awareness. Key takeaways ◾VCs buy a clean story before they buy the numbers ◾Managed revenue agents are a new service line ◾Creators are becoming channel partners, not just reach Chapters 00:00 Raising for SingleBrain 08:49 A clean story for VCs 12:19 Conference networking strategy 13:11 Managed revenue agents 20:32 Creators as channel partners 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
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Your Website Has to Sell Before the Sales Call
5d ago00:20:39Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric argue the B2B website is turning into a sales rep, a proof engine that has to sell before the sales call. From there the conversation turns to investing and business economics: betting on SpaceX, treasury strategy, debt versus venture, and the mechanics of buying distressed businesses. A candid look at how operators think about risk, leverage, and where durable value gets created. Key takeaways ◾Your website has to sell before the sales call ◾Debt vs venture changes who controls the outcome ◾Distressed businesses can be the best entry point Chapters 00:00 Websites are becoming sales reps 02:09 Betting on SpaceX 05:53 Debt versus venture 10:49 Buying distressed businesses 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
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Your Brand Is Invisible in AI Search (Here's the Fix)
6d ago00:17:06Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric dig into AI search visibility: why your brand may be invisible when buyers ask ChatGPT, how organic click behavior is changing, and what still moves revenue. They react to Kai-Fu Lee's prediction that 50% of companies will need new leadership and that 95%+ of AI transformations fail, then break down a survey showing 89% of teams now give AI agents write access, up from 52%, and what that means for security, governance, and permissioning. Key takeaways ◾Track visibility in answer engines, not just Google ◾95% of AI transformations fail by bolting AI on the edges ◾Agent write-access is exploding, so is the security opportunity Chapters 00:00 Your brand is invisible in AI search 04:27 AI leadership shift (Kai-Fu Lee) 10:20 Bottom-funnel marketing wins 12:50 AI permissions and security 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
Transcribe →Software Is Becoming Marketing
1w ago00:25:18Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Neil and Eric explain why software itself is becoming the best marketing channel: free tools, calculators, agents, and lightweight products now do the demand-gen work blog posts used to do. They break down how every feature launch becomes a marketable moment, why free products drive outsized buzz, and how conferences and events still generate real pipeline when you show up to give rather than sell. Plus how they think about valuing AI-pilled talent and staying focused. Key takeaways ◾Software is the new lead magnet, not the PDF ◾Every feature launch is a marketable moment ◾Win the hallways at events, don't just speak Chapters 00:00 Software is becoming marketing 03:03 Free products drive buzz 06:59 Events and conferences as lead gen 14:41 Valuing AI-pilled talent 19:58 Vision boards and focus 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel
Transcribe →Palantir's Best Marketing Strategy Is Not Talking About Palantir
2w ago00:26:03Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Eric breaks down what Marc Andreessen calls the single best marketing strategy he has ever seen: Alex Karp goes on CNBC and talks about the military, super intelligence, and AI sovereignty while barely naming his own company, and the number behind it is striking. They contrast it with Snap, where Evan Spiegel talked up the future of his 2,000 dollar Spectacles instead of the product and watched a billion in market cap evaporate. From there it is Jason Lemkin's ICONIQ quota data, the reports Neil actually reads every morning, his "you have a budget problem, not a money problem" framework, and the command through negation directive Eric now sends four times a day. They close on Skills Dojo, their new free GitHub for marketers. The strategy is hiding in plain sight, and the number proves it works. Key takeaways ◾Talk about what people care about and let your company sit attached to it ◾Thought leadership can outpull product marketing with enterprise buyers ◾Chase specific, actionable reports over dashboards that just look busy Chapters 00:00 Karp never mentions Palantir 01:00 The best strategy Andreessen's seen 01:27 The Seinfeld method 01:37 Nobody read the S1 01:48 Thought leadership beats product 3-to-1 02:10 Why Karp owns the mindshare 03:04 When it backfires: Snap Spectacles 04:30 Snap's market cap collapse 05:02 The shocking sales quota data 06:38 What the quota shift means 07:49 AI SDRs and deal revivers 08:26 The all-in-one CRM sprawl 09:55 The reports Neil actually reads 11:27 RFP counts by region 14:21 Signal, not dashboards 14:50 "You have a budget problem" 18:03 Jamie Dimon: no money problem 19:41 Command through negation 20:52 Getting your team to take risks 22:00 Skills Dojo: GitHub for marketers 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
Transcribe →The Data Is In: AI Is Creating Jobs, Not Killing Them
2w ago00:19:33Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Eric pulls up a Financial Times chart showing that the companies spending most on AI are hiring more people, not fewer, and he and Neil use it to take apart the everyone-loses narrative. Neil recounts debating Search Atlas co-founder Monik, who is convinced AI will gut white collar work, and explains why he is seeing the exact opposite across thousands of client companies. They run the historical receipts on radiology, ATMs, and the spreadsheet, argue over whether Google is simply bloated, and look at why HighLevel scaled from 2,000 to roughly 3,000 staff. A detour into an employee who stole from both their companies turns into a lesson on where to spend your attention. The headline fear is loud, but the data underneath tells a different story. Key takeaways ◾Companies with the highest AI adoption are growing headcount, not cutting it ◾Efficiency raises demand, so you end up needing more engineers ◾Every past automation scare created more jobs than it destroyed Chapters 00:00 The FT chart everyone misreads 00:52 We're only seven months in 01:20 The white-collar reduction debate 02:26 Why Google looks bloated 03:27 Efficiency means more engineers 04:14 Do more or charge less 05:04 AI creates abundance, not scarcity 05:49 Radiology, ATMs and spreadsheets 06:34 Who pays if the jobs vanish? 08:13 The AI bubble chart 09:25 Only 12 of 8,000 are AI-pilled 09:55 HighLevel's jump to 3,000 staff 11:33 Most companies only do table stakes 12:14 The employee who stole from both 14:42 The lesson: just move on 15:14 The billionaire who destroys rivals 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
Transcribe →Who Controls Your AI Marketing Stack? (AI Sovereignty)
2w ago00:27:32Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire After Anthropic quietly shipped a Figma competitor and handed Figma only a basic version of its updated design tool, Eric and Neil dig into the David Sachs warning that is rattling founders: feed the frontier labs all your context and data, and you hand them everything they need to compete with you. They walk through why Claude keeps your context after you leave, why GLM 5.2 on Open Router runs a fraction of the cost, and Microsoft's 2.5 billion dollar "your data is your data" pitch. The conversation turns to the forward deployed marketer, the two clashing cultures inside every agency right now, and why some AI-forward shops are trading at more than 30 times profit. Eric even demos the business video game he built over a weekend. The tools are incredible, but whose competitor you become depends on what you give away. Key takeaways ◾Whoever holds your context and data can build your competitor ◾Open weights like GLM 5.2 buy you control and far lower cost ◾AI native is a culture, not a tool your team quietly ignores Chapters 00:00 Who controls your AI stack 00:22 Anthropic undercuts Figma 00:38 David Sachs on AI sovereignty 01:28 Why Claude keeps your context 01:51 Open weights save money and control 02:11 The Figma board bombshell 03:26 Microsoft's $2.5B data promise 04:12 Trusting the frontier labs less 05:35 GLM 5.2 and Open Router 06:03 Eric's business video game 09:27 The forward deployed marketer 10:42 Two cultures under one roof 12:54 AI as truth revealer 13:52 Agency valuations getting cut 15:04 Buying agencies for 2x profit 18:02 When you still need account managers 20:50 Marketing region by region 21:41 The relationship-first culture 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
Transcribe →The AEO Panic Is Here — And It's The Best Thing To Happen To SEO
2w ago00:17:04Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Eric opens with Eli Schwartz's viral take that the AEO panic is the best thing to happen to SEO budgets in years, and he and Neil unpack why every CMO is suddenly fighting over who owns answer engine optimization. They dig into why brands keep asking to just buy a tool like Profound, why publishing AI listicles is the new keyword stuffing, and how ChatGPT actually only crawls your own site a fraction of the time. Neil shares real agency data on the gap between SEO and GEO budgets that surprises even Eric, then they test which agencies the LLMs actually cite, from Seer and Wil Reynolds to iPullRank. They land on why brand, an omni-channel presence, and a human in the loop still decide who wins. The panic is real, but the money is not moving where you think. Key takeaways ◾AEO and SEO are far more tightly linked than the panic suggests ◾LLMs weigh what the whole web says about you, not just your own site ◾Buying a tracking tool is not a strategy when everyone can buy it too Chapters 00:00 The AEO panic explained 01:04 When SEO lived inside product 01:55 Why SEO budgets aren't shifting yet 02:50 What the panic really is 03:37 Losing pitches without technical SEO 04:15 "Can't we just buy a tool?" 04:49 Why publishing listicles fails 06:26 Software and services converge 07:22 Query fanouts and getting cited everywhere 09:22 SEO vs GEO budgets: 11x apart 11:12 Testing the agency queries 12:42 Profound pivots to done-for-you 13:44 Is the data really cleaner? 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
Transcribe →Founder Mode Is Real (And Airbnb, Flexport & Apple Prove It)
3w ago00:18:06Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Eric and Neil open on "founder mode" — Brian Chesky stripping out professional C-suite layers at Airbnb, the Flexport founder returning to reignite growth, and Steve Jobs' comeback at Apple — arguing that every time a founder retook the wheel, the company accelerated. They answer two live audience questions: whether AI will disrupt B2B video agencies (reinvest efficiency gains into more value, don't drop prices) and whether CPG multiples will overtake SaaS. The episode closes with an early read on ChatGPT's advertising platform, a candid crypto-vs-SaaS-vs-AI sentiment check, and Warren Buffett's rule on long-term holding. Key takeaways ◾ Founder mode beats hired-management mode — Airbnb, Flexport and Apple all prove the pattern ◾ AI won't kill video agencies, but it exposes the ones not delivering value — reinvest the gains, don't cut prices ◾ ChatGPT ads are an early-mover window — 900M weekly users, ~25¢ clicks, get in before the cost rises Chapters 0:00 Founder mode: Airbnb, Flexport, Apple 1:21 Will AI kill video agencies? 5:07 CPG vs SaaS multiples 5:53 ChatGPT ads and LLM traffic 8:43 Crypto vs SaaS outlook 13:14 Warren Buffett: invest in yourself 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
Transcribe →Jeff Bezos: "Never Hire Your Friends Under 40"
3w ago00:21:32Tap to summarizeGrowth Newsletter: https://levelingup.beehiiv.com/subscribe Need marketing help? Visit: https://www.singlegrain.com/ and https://npdigital.com/ Want to recruit great marketers? Find them here: https://marketingschool.io/hire Eric opens with a Jeff Bezos maxim from a Walter Isaacson interview: never hire your friends if you're under 40, but always hire them after 40, once you have the pattern recognition to know who to trust. Neil adds his own rule: hire deep specialists over generalists, down to the specific platform. The conversation then breaks down Ramp's data on AI token spend — how the same budget buys wildly different volumes across model tiers — and builds the framework: cheap models for routine work, frontier models only for genuinely ambiguous, high-stakes problems. The episode closes on token waste, "AI theater" inside companies, Eric's "nail it before you scale it" rule, and why AI-enabled agencies are trading at 22-30X multiples. Key takeaways ◾ Under 40 you lack the pattern recognition to hire friends safely — after 40 it becomes a competitive advantage ◾ Match the model tier to the task: frontier models for novel high-stakes problems, cheap models for everything routine ◾ Nail the workflow manually before you automate it — automating a mess just scales the mess Chapters 0:00 Bezos: never hire friends under 40 2:21 Hire deep specialists not generalists 3:48 $100k in AI: which model wins? 9:53 Token waste and AI theater 11:27 Nail it before you scale it 16:25 AI agencies hit 30X multiples 𝗔𝗕𝗢𝗨𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗡𝗘𝗟 Welcome to Marketing School, one of the top business podcasts with over 61 million downloads. Each episode delivers actionable marketing tips and strategies from two entrepreneurs who truly practice what they preach. The show is hosted by Eric Siu, founder of Leveling Up and Single Grain, and Neil Patel, co-founder of Neil Patel Digital and recognized by Forbes as a Top 10 Marketer. 🎙️ Learn More About the Hosts Eric Siu – Leveling Up: https://www.youtube.com/@LevelingUpOfficial Neil Patel: https://www.youtube.com/@neilpatel 📩 Free Resources Ubersuggest: https://www.ubersuggest.com/ Answer The Public: https://www.answerthepublic.com/ ✅ Subscribe for Daily Marketing Insights!
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